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Another day, another slap around the chops for the legislation the | :00:06. | :00:11. | |
Government says is vital to make the NHS work properly. The Prime | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
Minister, and Health Secretary, say they won't wash their hands of the | :00:14. | :00:19. | |
bill to reform healthcare. But how much damage is it doing? | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
Two volumes, hundreds of amendments, as the complexity of this bill has | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
grown, well the politics have got actually quite simple. It boils | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
down to this, who does the public trust to run the health service. | :00:31. | :00:37. | |
We have got a Health Minister, and GPs on opposite sides of the fence. | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
Would you believe a promise made by these Greek politicians, because if | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
they can't be trusted, the euro is in big, big trouble. | :00:44. | :00:49. | |
Paul Mason is here. Greece just signed up for years of | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
austerity to avoid default. But is it actually an economic suicide | :00:52. | :00:57. | |
note. Is sending this perfectly run of | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
the mill helicopter pilot to the south Atlantic part of mill | :01:00. | :01:06. | |
terrorising the Falklands. The Argentines claim it is. Who is the | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
bigger imperialist, Britain or Argentina. | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
No captain, now no manager, Fabio Capello resigns as England boss, | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
leaving the country's national game in crisis, again. | :01:16. | :01:22. | |
The work speaks for itself, but in case you are in any doubt, the | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
world famous, Yayoi Kusama, puts us right on what she's trying to do | :01:25. | :01:30. | |
with her art. (she sings) | :01:30. | :01:40. | |
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According to the Prime Minister, there are huge numbers of people in | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
this country, who support his plans to reform the health service. | :01:44. | :01:50. | |
Perhaps they are all suffering from Lauren giet tis. One professional | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
body after another has come out against them, over 100 Government | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
amendments have lopped off bits and pieces. The Conservatives claim its | :01:59. | :02:06. | |
vital organs are intact, but there are louder than louder than usual | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
moans from Downing Street, about how the Health Secretary has made a | :02:09. | :02:13. | |
botch job of the whole thing. David Grossman, clamped on the blue light | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
and sped down to Westminster. You can't say David Cameron hasn't | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
put in the hours trying to sell his health reforms. | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
He has met hundreds of patients and health professionals and scrubbed | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
up on countless occasions. But now, some are suggesting he would be | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
better off washing his hands of the whole enterprise. Today, another | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
body of health professionals turned against the reforms. | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
We want the Government to drop the bill, because we think it will lead | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
to increased inequalities in health, we think it will lead to increased | :02:45. | :02:50. | |
bureaucracy, we think services will become less integrated, rather than | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
working together like they really should be, and we think it could | :02:53. | :03:00. | |
lead to waste of public money. Prime Minister's Questions, Labour | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
tried to increase the pressure on Government. He knows in his heart | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
of hearts, this is a complete disaster. That is why his aides are | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
saying the Health Secretary should be taken out and shot, because they | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
know it is a disaster. The reality about the bill is this, the doctors | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
know it is bad for the NHS, the nurses know it is bad for the NHS, | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
and patients know it is bad for the NHS, every day he fights for this | :03:23. | :03:29. | |
bill, every day trust in him on the NHS ebbs away, and every day it | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
books clearer, the -- becomes clearer, the health service is not | :03:33. | :03:38. | |
safe in his hands. I have to tell him the career prospects for our | :03:38. | :03:43. | |
right honourable friend is better than his. The Conservative Party | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
have heard the Prime Minister deliver for ematic support for the | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
bill than that, but Mr Cameron couldn't have been clearer. We are | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
cutting bureaucracy in the NHS, we are taking out �4.5 billion | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
bureaucracy, to be ploughed into patient care. The Health Secretary, | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
Andrew Lansley, has drawn a fair bit of criticism for the way he has | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
handled this bill. According to newspapers, hostile briefings, | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
including that comment, supposedly from a Number Ten insider, that he | :04:13. | :04:20. | |
should, "be taken out and shot". Andrew Lansley started formulating | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
his master plan for NHS reform, six years before he became Health | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
Secretary. Well before anyone was even talking about austerity. But | :04:27. | :04:32. | |
the act is, he's having to enact it at a time when there is pressure on | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
Government spending. And this, according to some | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
strategists, has led to a fatal confusion in the public's mind as | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
to the Government's motives. Are they doing it because they want a | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
better health service, or are they doing this because they want to | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
save money? We have to separate out the reform itself, the reform bill, | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
from what the NHS has been doing, and has been planning to do for | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
some years, when it knew the money would flatten out in real term. It | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
knew there would be a gap, as it were, between the money, and what | :05:02. | :05:09. | |
they wanted the NHS it do, in terms of quality of care and meeting high | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
depemands. That plan has been form -- demands. That plan has been | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
formulated some time ago and the NHS is pursuing it. The tactics | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
used, cut management costs, make savings there, another part of the | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
plan to reduce the prices that hospitals can charge for their | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
goods and services in real terms. That puts a lot of pressure on | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
hospitals to then look at their costs, and can they produce hips | :05:32. | :05:35. | |
more cheaply, and so on. That was going on any way. In a sense, | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
regardless of the bill, regardless of the potential reforms, that | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
would have to go on. David Cameron worked very hard in | :05:42. | :05:48. | |
opposition to try to neutral yois voter suspicion about his party's | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
at -- neutralise voter suspicion about his party's motives. | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
believe the NHS is one of the greatest achievements of the 20th | :05:56. | :06:01. | |
century. But pollsters say this work is now | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
being undone. Traditionally Labour have always been the party of the | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
NHS, in the same way for law and order is the safe ground for the | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
Conservatives. But at the time of the last election that gap between | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
the two parties had closed significantly. However, recent | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
polling we have done seems to suggest that gap is actually | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
widening again, with the Tories not being seen as the party that has | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
the best policies. Today, in the Lords, the Government was defeated | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
on its health proposals once again. Some experts believe, however, that | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
some of this opposition is based on a mistaken view of what the bill is | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
trying to do. It is not about introducing | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
competition, we have already had competition in the NHS of a sort, | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
it has been regulated. We have already had patient choice of a | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
sort, regulateed and constrained in certain ways. The bill is pushing | :06:50. | :06:56. | |
that forward. The opposition, and many of them see this as a brand | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
new thing introducing competition, I don't think it is. In part, some | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
of these amendments, and some of the opposition, are partly based on | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
a false idea about what is going on with the reform bill, and what is | :07:06. | :07:16. | |
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going on before within the NHS. We're a senior orthopaedic. Can you | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
come and talk to me. Then as the Prime Minister has found out before, | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
the relationship between health professionals and politicians has | :07:27. | :07:33. | |
never been entirely easy. We will come back. I'm not having it, out. | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
Now a short while ago I spoke to the Health Minister, Simon Burns. | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
How come you have managed to make such a mess of this bill? I don't | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
think we have made a mess of it. How many amendments have you had? | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
We have had 1,000 amendments in the House of Commons, which 750 were | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
technical amendments to change the name to commissioning groups for | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
GPs. If you are talking about how many have we accepted to improve | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
and strengthen the bill in the Commons, it would probably be about | :08:01. | :08:07. | |
100. The bill was wrong on 100 points, before you got these | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
amendments? It was pblt wrong, we went out to consult the NHS furg | :08:11. | :08:19. | |
the future for yum, they came -- during future for yum, they came | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
back with suggestions to strengthen it. We have the BMA, The Royal | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
College of Nurses, The Royal College of Midwives, the Chartered | :08:28. | :08:35. | |
Society of Physiotherapies, the main unions, The Royal College of | :08:35. | :08:40. | |
Child health, The Royal College of Pathologists, The Royal College of | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
Physicians, The Royal College of Psychiatrists, The Royal College of | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
Occupational therapists and the British die at the timeic | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
association, all thinking the bill is wrong. If you look at the number | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
of organisations you have read out, their responses to the White Paper, | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
there were elements of the bill that they approved and supported. | :08:58. | :09:03. | |
The BMA itself, which has come out against it. They said their special | :09:03. | :09:10. | |
emergency meeting last summer, they voted for GP commissioning. Because | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
of the size of the subject and range of subjects being dealt with, | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
there are things they like and don't like. On the other side of | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
that coin, there are a number of organisations, like The Royal | :09:20. | :09:27. | |
College of Gynaecologists, the Family Doctors Association, the | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
National Association of Primary Care. They do support it. What is | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
most important is the people at the forefront of the health service, | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
delivering the service. Like GPs, who are beginning to commission, | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
and who are enthusiastic. I find as I go around and talk to them, they | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
are already working with the PCTs to begin commissioning, they are | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
enthusiastic that they are empowered to look after their | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
patients. Frankly, the most important thing about this | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
legislation, is it is concerned with improving the quality of care | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
for patients, and the results of their treatment. So you say. But | :09:58. | :10:03. | |
The Royal College of Nurse, midwives, aniseists, opt molgists, | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
paediatrics, and the rest of it, are they not some how frontline. | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
Are they not slightly more than a politician? A number of those | :10:11. | :10:17. | |
organisations, like The Royal College of GPs, like the BMJ today, | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
they have formed their opinions on surveys they have carried out, | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
which are self-selecting, they are of a very small minority of their | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
members. You can vote as often as you like in these surveys, to give | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
distorted views, then they have reached a conclusion, which is not | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
representative. And you honestly believe that the �20 billion, which | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
the health service has to save, can be more easily saved by putting the | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
organisation into a state of semi- paralysis, through this bill? | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
evidence of the NHS at the moment does not suggest anything like | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
semi-paralysis. It is rising to the challenges, as it has to, because | :10:55. | :11:00. | |
of the impositions put on it through an increasing ageing | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
population, an increasing drugs bill, which increased by �600 | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
million last year alone. It cannot stay still. Even Andy Burnham | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
accepts that it needs to be reformed. He just will not come up | :11:12. | :11:17. | |
with any concrete and relevant ideas of how to modernise it. | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
is Number Ten briefing that your a second should be taken out and | :11:20. | :11:26. | |
shot? Come on, you know they are not. Number Ten...They Are. Number | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
Ten said yesterday in response to the story by Rachel Sylvester, that | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
the Prime Minister fully supported Andrew Lansley. He has to say that? | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
And he fully supports the bill. He's a hopeless communicator? | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
is your opinion. No, that is the accusation from Number Ten? That is | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
an unnamed source in an article. That is how they do it, you know | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
that? I work with Andrew Lansley every day, I see the work he does, | :11:51. | :11:58. | |
I see the way he has a total grasp of the workings and intricacies of | :11:58. | :12:05. | |
the NHS. He has put together a bill that is meeting the challenges of | :12:05. | :12:11. | |
the future of the NHS. We have Liz Kendall, the Labour health | :12:11. | :12:16. | |
spokesperson here, as is Clare Gerada, also here from The Royal | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
College of Practitioners, who opposes the plans. | :12:22. | :12:32. | |
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Liz Kendall, you are not going to say there is no need for change? | :12:32. | :12:37. | |
Absolutely not. In the NHS there is a big challenge to do more within | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
constrained budget, while at the same time we face an ageing | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
population. That will be big challenges. You also agree it has | :12:45. | :12:54. | |
to save 20 billion? Absolute. billion? Absolutely. It is wrong to | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
push a massive organisation through a change. You have just said it | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
needs to change? It does, how it needs to change is to deliver more | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
services in the community and at home. To better link up NHS | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
services with social care. That koind of integration is going to be | :13:08. | :13:13. | |
made far -- kind of integration is going to be made far harder by this | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
bill. We oppose the bill, not because we are against reform, but | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
because it won't help us make the reforms we need. Is Wales where the | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
NHS is run by Labour, effectively, is that a model? In Wales they do | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
things in their way. I think the Prime Minister made...Do You think | :13:29. | :13:31. | |
they do it better than under the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
here? I think they do it in a different way. They certainly do. | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
As you know, waiting lists are longer there, aren't they? There | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
was a big dispute about what the Prime Minister said in PMQs today, | :13:42. | :13:48. | |
and many of the figures that he gave on that were inaccurate. | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
is no argument about the fact that Wales, where Labour runs the NHS, | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
has worse outcomes in some respects, notably waiting lists. I want to | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
focus on England. I want to talk about Wales, where is the model, is | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
there a model? There is a model, that is about integrating health | :14:04. | :14:09. | |
and social care, and shifting the focus towards prevention. You may | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
have seen a select committee report out today, which said that actual | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
low the best places where we are bringing together health and social | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
care, are in care trusts. Those care trusts are going to be swept | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
away by the bill. We are against the bill, not because we are | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
against reform, but because we don't think the bill will help us | :14:25. | :14:31. | |
get to the place we need to with the NHS. Let's broaden it out with | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
two GPs. What do you think is wrong with the bill? There is so much, | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
there is such a complex bill. as face it, doctors have opposed | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
change time and time again in the NHS? I don't think we have, doctors | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
or GPs, I will speak for GPs, we have had about ten reorganisations | :14:48. | :14:53. | |
thrown at us, certainly over my clinical lifetime. You ask what's | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
wrong with this bill, this bill will not achof the things that we | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
need it to a-- achieve the things we want it to, with respect to the | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
ageing population and rising costs. It will create more barriers | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
between GPs being able to work with hospital specialists, it will drive | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
up costs and bureaucracy. Why do you believe it is a good thing? | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
need to take politics out of this, for a second. We have tried over | :15:17. | :15:27. | |
years to reform the NHS and under all administration. In most cases | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
we haven't done what we hoped to achieve. That is the past, tell us | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
why you believe in this set of reforms? Because the only way to | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
manage the process is to get the centre of the NHS, the bureaucracy, | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
the big organisation, that is the centre of the NHS, to devolve power | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
to the locality. I want to work in a place where I deal with a patient, | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
a patient who is in front of me, a population in front of me and a | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
population I understand. I believe I can do that better than somebody | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
very far away from that patient. The argument is it involves doctors | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
taking responsibility for decisions? Absolutely, and actually | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
accepting they live within a system. Somebody has to take responsibility. | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
There is nothing wrong with that, we absolutely agree with that. | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
are you opposing it? It is like saying you have an airline pilot, | :16:14. | :16:20. | |
you fly your plane, therefore you should build it. You just want the | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
taxpayer to carry on writing blank cheques? Absolutely not, GPs have | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
been delivering effective care for years, and we need to improve the | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
situation. This bill won't achieve that, it will create more | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
bureaucracy, more cost, it won't achieve what we want to do, which | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
is better joint working. Somebody has to start taking responsibility | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
for decisions within the NHS, don't they. What is wrong with doctors | :16:43. | :16:49. | |
facing up to that? Joos There is nothing, I trained as a carer. Most | :16:49. | :16:51. | |
GPs go into general practice because they want to care for their | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
patients. Of course we want to do it. What we are losing sight of in | :16:55. | :16:59. | |
all of this, is what lights the light for GPs, what will bring | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
about change is reform of the provision. Is improving the way we | :17:02. | :17:06. | |
deliver care to patients, and improving the relationships we have | :17:06. | :17:11. | |
with our hospital colleagues. are shaking your head now. | :17:11. | :17:20. | |
shaking my head and agree with it. We need to manage variation within | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
the service. We must take responsibility for the service we | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
provide. The only way to do that is by working in partnership with | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
managers. This isn't about doctors or managers, it is about both. | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
the accusation about bureaucracy, is a valid one, isn't it, if you | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
lock at this legislation, it appears to have, somewhere, buried | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
-- look at this legislation, it appears to have it, somewhere, | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
buried within it, eight supervisory organisations, it is not one, it is | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
not a devolution? The worry people like me have is around the | :17:50. | :17:54. | |
implementation of the reforms. The worry people like me have is around | :17:54. | :17:56. | |
the power the national commissioning board will have. | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
Unless we actually make health local, we need a local health | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
service, as well as a National Health Service, I think that is | :18:03. | :18:08. | |
something we all agree upon. gave a list of the different royal | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
colleges who now oppose the bill. Let me give the list of new levels | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
of bureaucracy. The national commissioning board, clinical | :18:17. | :18:23. | |
commissioning booths, clinical Senates, commissioning support | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
groups, four regional clusters, I have no idea what all these | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
different organisations are doing. This bill is creating more waste, | :18:31. | :18:35. | |
more bureaucracy, and huge chaos at a time when the NHS faces the | :18:35. | :18:40. | |
biggest financial and clinical challenge of its life. How nasty is | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
this fight getting? We all want to make things better for patients. | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
What we need to do, what the college is saying, let's make it | :18:47. | :18:52. | |
safe, let's stop this bill, let's make it safe. There is a way of | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
making it safe. Merge PCTs, they are already safe put GPs on the | :18:57. | :19:02. | |
majority of the board of those. Then let's have a sensible debate | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
on what the NHS should provide and how we deal with big health and | :19:06. | :19:11. | |
social care issues facing us. That is what we should do. Hurry up and | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
wait again? Which will take years to unpick, the only people to | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
benefit will be the lawyers. I believe we are in a some what | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
different place. Only today we had a really interesting and long, and | :19:23. | :19:29. | |
productive debate around how we are going to manage the provider issues, | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
the issues around co-operation and competition. All the organisations | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
are represented there. In the workings we have between us, we | :19:37. | :19:42. | |
agree about most things. If we take the politics out of this, we all | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
want clinical commissioning to work, we want the local decision making. | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
We should concentrate on the best way to achieve those. Don't you | :19:49. | :19:56. | |
think it would be better if your party adopted a slightly mother | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
constructive stance, Ed Milliband saying there is three months to | :20:00. | :20:05. | |
save the NHS is a stupid comment? Andy Burnham has said. Why he's | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
talking about three months to save the NHS? If the Government drops | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
the bill, we will work with them and the professions to make | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
clinical commissioning work. To give clinicians the control that | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
they want, to drive changes in services, not structures. We have | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
been through lots of structural reorganisation in the NHS, it | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
hasn't delivered the results we need for future. That is the change | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
we need. We will leave it there, we will be revisiting this next week | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
and afterwards. Oh dear! It is good, isn't it, more discussion. | :20:35. | :20:42. | |
Thank you all. The euro is saved, maybe or maybe not, Hallelujah. | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
Nothing concentrates the mind like the prospect of being hanged in the | :20:46. | :20:50. | |
morning, and faced with not getting the loan they need to stay inside | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
the euro, politicians in Athens have apparently signed up to a deal | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
on austerity measures. The 17 lucky countries of the eurozone get | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
together tomorrow to decide if they can trust the geeks to stick to the | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
deal they say they have -- Greeks to stick to the deal they have | :21:06. | :21:11. | |
agreed. The three main parties in Greece | :21:11. | :21:18. | |
have signed up to a draft deal, we know the basics of it. Bloomberg | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
reported them a few hours ago. The Greeks are yet again being asked to | :21:21. | :21:27. | |
sign up to a big austerity package. One they hadn't expected, a 22% cut | :21:27. | :21:32. | |
in the minimum wage. In the next six months a huge number of knock- | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
down sales of state-owned assets, big cuts in public spending and | :21:36. | :21:41. | |
jobs. We think that is the first bit. The next bit is they get to | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
write off about 100 billion euros worth of debt. That is the bit to | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
come. After that we have to find out whether or not that explodes | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
into the debt market. We think it probably won't because of the sheer | :21:52. | :21:55. | |
volume of money the European Central Bank has pumped into the | :21:55. | :22:00. | |
system. But, you know, I think we are a third of the way to an | :22:00. | :22:04. | |
orderly default by Greece. A soft default. About 70% of the value of | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
the loans they are writing off. It then remains, the world system is | :22:08. | :22:14. | |
safe, and we get to that, what what happens to Greece. Many of the | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
commentators, many of the bank notes I'm receiving through on e- | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
mail tonight, is saying it is not very sustainable for the Greeks to | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
do that. Bank notes you are receiving on e- | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
mail are not really bank notes? Notes from bank all lists. If only | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
we were receiving bank notes. Don bank analysts. If only we were | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
receiving bank notes! Where does it leave Greek politics? It is the | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
problem, the three parties who signed up for the draft. Pasok, | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
this is an opinion poll yesterday, Pasok, former Government, it has | :22:48. | :22:55. | |
now slumped to 8%. That is the Socialist Party. New Democracy, | :22:55. | :23:00. | |
Conservative opposition, 31%, riding high. The religious party | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
has 5%. They are the Government, add them up it is still only 44%. | :23:04. | :23:07. | |
If we look at the parties, the other parties outside the | :23:07. | :23:11. | |
Government, here they are. The three far left parties, the | :23:11. | :23:16. | |
communists, the Trotskyists, the Greens and the Democratic Left, | :23:16. | :23:22. | |
they are together, they have fought each other fis clo and don't like | :23:22. | :23:26. | |
each other, that is what -- physically, and they don't like | :23:26. | :23:29. | |
each other, that is where the politics are. Even at the most | :23:29. | :23:35. | |
recent poll at 3% shows the far extreme far right party, Golden | :23:35. | :23:41. | |
Dawn, its logo basically says it all, occasionally claiming that the | :23:41. | :23:46. | |
stiff armed slut is Greek not Nazi in origin, that is why they use it. | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
On 3%, that total getting into parliament when there is an | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
election. We never had Greek opinion polls on this programme? | :23:55. | :24:01. | |
they are exciting. We have been looking at the challenges this deal | :24:01. | :24:11. | |
:24:11. | :24:11. | ||
needs to overcome. 200 years ago, after the fall of | :24:11. | :24:17. | |
Napoleon. Europe's major power, Britain, prugsia and others, had | :24:17. | :24:22. | |
the continent of Europe and keeping it out of war. It succeeded for a | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
few decades. Now, as Greece threatens to economically sink | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
Europe, perhaps the world needs another concert of Europe. Right | :24:29. | :24:33. | |
now few of the actors in the Greek piece, are playing in tune or in | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
time. Who are the key players in this | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
fictional orchestra. The troika of the IMR, the EU and Central Bank | :24:43. | :24:51. | |
are the wind instruments. They have stumped up 100 billion euros for | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
Greece, and have earmarked another 150 billion for loans. | :24:55. | :25:01. | |
The strings are the people who lent Greece money in the good old days | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
before learning the word prudence. Plucking the strings themselves are | :25:06. | :25:11. | |
the Greeks, threatening outside and messy default. It make the mood | :25:11. | :25:16. | |
music not great. The worst case scenario is Greece would not be | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
able to meet its next bond statement on the 25th of March. | :25:20. | :25:26. | |
Uncontrolled bankruptcy of the country. That would have severe | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
reprecussions for the economy, it may claps. The worst case scenario | :25:30. | :25:36. | |
for Europe as a whole, in countries like Portugal, people might see the | :25:36. | :25:38. | |
situation as a precedent and you might have the financial collapse | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
of those countries. In order for Greece to survive as a | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
functioning economy, and possibly even as a democracy, it needs to | :25:46. | :25:52. | |
write off at least a quarter of its 360 billion euro debt mountain, and | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
get a second, even larger bailout from European partners. Those | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
partners have been urging the Greeks to set aside their political | :25:59. | :26:09. | |
:26:09. | :26:11. | ||
differences and do that deal. Watch out for EU granddy, Jacques De | :26:11. | :26:17. | |
Lorres on the left. We are in a historic position with the future | :26:17. | :26:24. | |
of Greece and the euro. We want Greece in the euro. I wo urge the | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
politic -- political leadership in the different parties in Greece for | :26:28. | :26:35. | |
a better future for Greece. Even if they manage to get all | :26:35. | :26:40. | |
players in tune, and Greece gets its second bailout, and a 100 | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
billion euro writedown, many will ask if that sets a dangerous | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
precedent. If you allow one country to default within the euro zone, | :26:47. | :26:53. | |
why not others, why not Italy, why not Ireland, why not Portugal. | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
Portugal's cost of borrowing or yield has risen by 150% over the | :26:57. | :27:04. | |
past year. As investors fear that Lisbon may follow Athens into a | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
default spiral. You can understand why European leaders actual low | :27:07. | :27:12. | |
want to draw line around Greece, and say this is quite specific to | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
groz, and no other application -- Greece, and no other application | :27:17. | :27:20. | |
would be justified for any other country. It is a fundamentally | :27:20. | :27:27. | |
incorrect conclusion. I think it is absolutely the case that Portugal, | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
possibly Ireland, would benefit and might demand, actually, some | :27:30. | :27:33. | |
renegotiation of their debt, particularly once the Greeks have | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
been seen to receive favourable treatment, it would be quite | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
natural for a lot of Portuguese politicians or citizens to say, | :27:40. | :27:46. | |
what about us? Do you think, that the immediate | :27:46. | :27:53. | |
risk of messy refault by Greece has waened in recent weeks? | :27:53. | :27:56. | |
activitys of the European Central Bank and washing the European | :27:56. | :28:00. | |
banking system with copious amounts of liquidity, that hasn't ended, | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
there will be another three-year liquidity provision at the end of | :28:04. | :28:14. | |
:28:14. | :28:18. | ||
this month. That has certainly helped. Banks are in a better | :28:18. | :28:20. | |
position than six months ago. Having been out of step with | :28:20. | :28:26. | |
European colleagues for the past two years, politicians are about to | :28:26. | :28:31. | |
put a pen to deal, that could consign their own populus to a | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
decade of austerity, but keeping them within the eurozone. | :28:34. | :28:39. | |
Negotiating that deal, like write be elaborate pieces of music can | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
taken time and effort. What matters most when it comes to performing | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
the piece, is how it goes down with audiences in the long-term. | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
In a few wieks time it will be the 30th -- weeks time it will be the | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
30th anniversary of what was Britain's last imperial war. The | :28:55. | :29:01. | |
fight to retake the Falkland Islands from the military junta | :29:01. | :29:09. | |
ruling Argentina, was put down as a dam close run thing and a feat of | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
arms. The supposed offence lingers on, the latest outrage, according | :29:13. | :29:18. | |
to the President, is that Britain is mill terrorising, as she puts it, | :29:18. | :29:23. | |
this -- militarising, as she puts it, this penguin's paradise. It may | :29:23. | :29:28. | |
be smaller than Yorkshire, 8,000 miles away, with fewer intab hants | :29:28. | :29:33. | |
tan Chipping Norton, but the Falkland islanders claim to be | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
British. It is almost 30 years since British servicemen gave their | :29:36. | :29:42. | |
lives in a short, risky war, after invasion by Argentina. It re- | :29:42. | :29:47. | |
established British sovereignity, and imposed a responsibility for | :29:47. | :29:55. | |
their protection. The brand new billion pound destroyer Argentina | :29:55. | :30:01. | |
fakes offence there, will be on station there. But the Malvenos, | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
remain an easy drum to bang for any Argentine politician. | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
The claim that these wind swept rocks are naturally Latin American, | :30:09. | :30:14. | |
has never gone away. The Argentine President, Cristina Fernandez de | :30:14. | :30:20. | |
Kirchner, now promises to take her claim to the U makes its. What the | :30:20. | :30:24. | |
deColin -- United Nations, what the decolonisation committee will make | :30:24. | :30:30. | |
of it is anybody's guests. What constitutes self-determination. | :30:30. | :30:35. | |
With me is an Argentine journalist and an elected member of the | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
Falkland Islands Government. Hasn't your Government anything better to | :30:39. | :30:46. | |
worry about? I think Christina Fernandez has been drumming about | :30:46. | :30:51. | |
the Maldenas force many years, she didn't pick -- for many years now, | :30:51. | :30:57. | |
she didn't pick it out of the blue, but for the first time Great | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
Britain responded. What was the response? Sending Prince William. I | :31:00. | :31:05. | |
believe it is a political statement. What do you mean, he's an RAF | :31:05. | :31:09. | |
pilot? Nobody discusses that. He could have trained anywhere else, | :31:09. | :31:14. | |
the decision to send him there is a symbolic gesture. What really has | :31:14. | :31:18. | |
got her going is the fact that Prince William is serving on a | :31:18. | :31:22. | |
search and rescue station in the Falkland Islands? I don't think | :31:22. | :31:27. | |
that got her going. She has been going for over 15 years. Where the | :31:27. | :31:33. | |
-- where is the stuff about militarising the nation with the | :31:33. | :31:39. | |
deployment? It is on the basis of the deployment of the destroyer. | :31:39. | :31:44. | |
is replacing a friget there previously? What is the point of | :31:44. | :31:49. | |
sending one of the most modern destroyers in the British fleet. | :31:49. | :31:53. | |
happens to be the latest one and it is just replacing? What about the | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
rumour of the nuclear submarine. Did you know there is a nuclear | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
submarine down there? I'm asking, that is what has got Latin America | :32:02. | :32:06. | |
going. How much longer will you people, 3,000 of you, smaller than | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
Chipping Norton, how much longer are you going to expect the British | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
Government to look after you? we expect are from the British | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
Government is support for our right to self-determination, and also the | :32:17. | :32:23. | |
provision of a deterrent force in the Falklands, which is only | :32:23. | :32:28. | |
necessary because we were invaded in 1992 by Argentina. What | :32:28. | :32:33. | |
proportion of the Falkland islands population want to go to Argentina. | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
Don't you believe in self- determination? I do, I believe the | :32:37. | :32:43. | |
people of the Falkland Islands, I would call them the Malvenas, they | :32:43. | :32:48. | |
are British citizens and can't be party and judge in the same trial. | :32:48. | :32:52. | |
You can't claim self-determination while already full British citizens. | :32:52. | :32:59. | |
How far are the Falklands from Argentina? 298 miles. That is the | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
same distance as Luxembourg from Britain, should we claim that? No | :33:04. | :33:08. | |
but the Welsh wouldn't like Patagonia. But there is a larger | :33:08. | :33:13. | |
British population residing in Argentina than the Falkland Islands, | :33:13. | :33:17. | |
that doesn't mean Argentine territory becomes Great Britain. | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
That is an interesting argument? are 8,000 miles away from the UK, | :33:20. | :33:28. | |
that is correct, many of the overseas properties are a long way | :33:28. | :33:34. | |
away, such as the Caribbean OTs. The argument talked about is a weak | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
one, if you want to go back in history, go back to millions of | :33:39. | :33:41. | |
years ago when we were part of South Africa. Does that mean South | :33:41. | :33:49. | |
Africa has a claim on us, how ridiculous can this argument get. | :33:49. | :33:55. | |
In 1833 when the islands were held by Argentina, Britain invaded. | :33:55. | :34:00. | |
There was an outpost of Argentines who rebelled and murdered the | :34:00. | :34:05. | |
British governor on the islands. Am I wrong? It wasn't that this was an | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
occupied territory. It dates from 1833. You could just as easily go | :34:09. | :34:15. | |
back to the prove century when the French were there? In the previous | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
century Argentina was not an independent country. In 1833 it was. | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
It has claimed sovereignity ever since. It has never given up its | :34:23. | :34:29. | |
claim. Actually it is already in the United Nations decolonisation | :34:29. | :34:32. | |
committee. It is not Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner is bringing | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
it up, it is one of the 16 cases that the decolonisation committee | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
has to consider. We could trade historical insults | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
all evening. If we really want to go down that route, I could also | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
say to you, I could talk about the "ethnic cleansing" that went on in | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
Argentina, and should it belong to the Indian tribes that used to live | :34:51. | :34:54. | |
there. There is something absurd, isn't there, there is a billion | :34:55. | :34:57. | |
pound destroyer down there, protecting these islands, that most | :34:57. | :35:03. | |
people in Britain couldn't find anywhere on a map. They could give | :35:03. | :35:07. | |
every member, what is 3,000 into a billion. You guys could all be | :35:07. | :35:11. | |
extreme low wealthy just on the proceeds of the cost of that single | :35:11. | :35:16. | |
destroyer down there? I don't think that is a point, we have an elected | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
Government, we have eight elected members, we make our own laws, set | :35:20. | :35:25. | |
our own buckets, raise our own taxation, we are entirely self- | :35:25. | :35:30. | |
sufficient and self-governing. Apart from two areas, only one, | :35:30. | :35:34. | |
defence, is necessary because we were invaded by Argentina. If they | :35:34. | :35:39. | |
were to drop the sovereignity claim we would have no need to talk about | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
militarisation of the south Atlantic. In a moment we will have | :35:42. | :35:47. | |
a look at the front pages and discuss the story dominating them. | :35:47. | :35:53. | |
Fabio Capello's resignation as England manager. Oneest mo of the | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
most enduring figures of modern art was in London today. | :35:57. | :36:01. | |
For the last more than 30 years, Yayoi Kusama has lived voluntarily | :36:02. | :36:06. | |
in a psychiatric institution. Her work is obsessive, and often | :36:06. | :36:10. | |
overwhelming, since she's now well over 80, there is an awful lot of | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
it too. We have been to see a sample, there is flashing lights | :36:14. | :36:24. | |
:36:24. | :36:30. | ||
Extraordinary is a much abused word in the world of contemporary art, I | :36:30. | :36:36. | |
think we might dust it off for Yayoi Kusama. An octogenarian in a | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
wheelchair, who has some how conquered both the art scene and | :36:39. | :36:47. | |
fashion world from her base in a Japanese psychiatric hospital. | :36:47. | :36:52. | |
Newsnight met the doyenne of the polka dot, before her big new show | :36:52. | :36:57. | |
at Tate Modern in London. What is your interest in polka dots, why do | :36:57. | :37:05. | |
they pop up so often in your art? Please ask that to my hand, I have | :37:05. | :37:09. | |
drawn lots of dots since I was a child, and covered my fashion and | :37:09. | :37:14. | |
notebooks with dots. Dots are a symbol of the word "the Cosmos", | :37:14. | :37:20. | |
the earth is a dot. The moon, the sun, the stars are all made up of | :37:20. | :37:30. | |
:37:30. | :37:31. | ||
dots. You and me, we are dots. Her work is highly colourful, | :37:31. | :37:36. | |
playful. But she herself is a sober and serious presence, especially | :37:36. | :37:40. | |
for someone in a throbbing red outfit and matching wig. Show says | :37:40. | :37:46. | |
she remains committed to her long standing campaigning for peace. | :37:46. | :37:54. | |
What ideas are you exploring here? These are my own works about my | :37:54. | :38:00. | |
life, the deep emotion of being born human and the barriers of | :38:00. | :38:05. | |
movement over space as we know them. We can find out all sorts of things | :38:05. | :38:15. | |
:38:15. | :38:22. | ||
I wonder how you feel about this big retrospective here at state | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
modern? TRANSLATION: This is art that shines out from the bottom of | :38:26. | :38:30. | |
my heart, human love, and I really wanted to display it in this | :38:30. | :38:40. | |
:38:40. | :38:44. | ||
Kusama collaberated with musician Peter Gabriel, on this video. | :38:44. | :38:54. | |
:38:54. | :38:55. | ||
What did he see in her work? really original point of view, | :38:55. | :39:00. | |
passionate intensity, that was on the one hand, very child like, and | :39:00. | :39:10. | |
:39:10. | :39:11. | ||
on another, very smart, adult and quite disturbing. We had a few days | :39:11. | :39:16. | |
recreating some of her work, her boat full of Phalluses. Did one of | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
your peters say, Peter, we have to spend more money, we will have to | :39:21. | :39:26. | |
go down there and see how it is? is hard to locate the boat load of | :39:26. | :39:32. | |
willies, so we definitely had to do it yourself! | :39:32. | :39:38. | |
I'm glad you brought those up, the male member is to Kusama, what the | :39:38. | :39:46. | |
tree trunk is to late Korea Hockney, dare we ask, what is that about? | :39:47. | :39:50. | |
TRANSLATION: I was very afraid of fall sis, I haven't had sex. As a | :39:50. | :39:57. | |
child I suffered a lot because my father led a very debauched | :39:57. | :40:03. | |
lifestyle, and I came to hate sex. As a kind of art therapy, I created | :40:03. | :40:13. | |
:40:13. | :40:13. | ||
lots of sex, filled a room with them, and I lost my fear. | :40:13. | :40:17. | |
psychiatric hospital where Kusama lives, became a refuge of her own | :40:17. | :40:21. | |
choosing, after a bout of illness a few years ago. | :40:21. | :40:26. | |
TRANSLATION: For three or four days I didn't eat, I just painted and | :40:26. | :40:30. | |
collapsed. Then I went to psychiatric hospital, the doctors | :40:30. | :40:40. | |
:40:40. | :40:40. | ||
said that I had to be admitted. critics are sympathetic to Kusama's | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
might, of course, that doesn't mean they all love her art? It is fun, | :40:44. | :40:48. | |
like a fizzy drink, with all the spots, they are like bubbles, it | :40:48. | :40:56. | |
has this endless fizz, it is every vestant, we are told it is driven | :40:56. | :40:59. | |
by deep pain and psychological illness, that doesn't come through | :40:59. | :41:04. | |
in the art, for me. I don't find it some kind of disturbing hypnotic | :41:05. | :41:12. | |
ecstacy in this art. I find it a fizzy, pop cultural style. The show | :41:12. | :41:17. | |
is fun, I have been looking forward to this place, the obliteration | :41:17. | :41:27. | |
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room, they call it, it is not the bar, by the way. This or we willian | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
sounding obliteration room is quiet at the moment. The idea is visitors | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
can come and completely cover the surfaces with brightly covered | :41:35. | :41:45. | |
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polka dots. Frpbgt I have to pack in the BBC coffee. | :41:50. | :41:54. | |
Kusama also writes, makes films and sings. This is a lament for her | :41:55. | :42:04. | |
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late parents. Draf vow! -- bravo, thank you very much, it is very | :42:06. | :42:10. | |
nice to meet you. You would hardly have failed to notice that the | :42:10. | :42:13. | |
England manager, Fabio Capello, resigned a few hours ago in protest | :42:13. | :42:18. | |
at the FA's decision to strip John Terry of the England captaincy. It | :42:18. | :42:21. | |
has left the national game in the usual state of complete chaos. With | :42:21. | :42:28. | |
us now is the BBC sports editor, David Bond, and the journalist from | :42:28. | :42:33. | |
The Times and the head of the footballers association. | :42:33. | :42:40. | |
The papers are covered in the story, Capello's resignation and Harry | :42:40. | :42:44. | |
Redknapp's acquittal on the tax charges. What is it all about? | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
is embarrassing for an institution to have lost a manager and to have | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
no captain. It is not catastrophic, we tend to exaggerate the | :42:52. | :42:57. | |
importance of managers. We imbue them with almost mythical powers, | :42:57. | :43:02. | |
and and we blame them when teams lose and usual guise them when the | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
teams win. International managers don't decide the players' diets or | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
decide the transfer market. This could be good. A lot of fuss about | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
nothing? There is valid points there, but the manager is very much | :43:15. | :43:21. | |
the focal point of this unit. When you have a team, this team needs a | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
leader, that leader has to be strong and has to make sure he has | :43:25. | :43:34. | |
the respect of all these under ings and he can drag them in the right | :43:34. | :43:37. | |
direction. We were told Goran- Eriksson and Capello had the | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
respect of the players, we were told every single manager for the | :43:41. | :43:47. | |
last 30 years. The expectations are very high but it doesn't co-relate | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
with the result. He got �6 million a year, he must have been doing | :43:51. | :43:58. | |
something? In football that is no measure. We have seen plenty of top | :43:58. | :44:02. | |
managers paid a lot of money and fail. You go to extremes, the | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
highly-paid coach to the guru, then an English manager, that is the | :44:06. | :44:11. | |
only way the players will truly respond. The danger is you keep | :44:11. | :44:15. | |
swinging from those positions and you end up with this sort of | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
shambles, no captain and manager. This bloke didn't learn English? | :44:19. | :44:24. | |
That is definite low an issue, how he has communicated with the | :44:24. | :44:29. | |
players. This has all come about, for once the FA has shown strong | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
leadership on the John Terry issue. It has only come to past, because | :44:33. | :44:38. | |
David Bernstein, the FA chairman, decided to make a stand, that John | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
Terry shouldn't remain captain while still facing the racist | :44:42. | :44:48. | |
allegations. Is race still an issue in society? Of course, it is still | :44:48. | :44:55. | |
an issue in society. It is niave to think it is gone away. There are | :44:55. | :45:01. | |
huge strides from the 1970s and 1980s where racist was endemic in | :45:01. | :45:06. | |
societies. For us to believe it is gone away, not just recent | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
incidents but thoughts shown in society shows it hasn't. We need to | :45:09. | :45:13. | |
make sure we step on those campaigns to make sure the pockets | :45:13. | :45:19. | |
become smaller and smaller: agree with the racial point? | :45:19. | :45:25. | |
context is important, it was endemic in the 1970s, banana skins | :45:25. | :45:29. | |
were thrown on the pitch. It was vital, and Sepp Blatter making | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
comments about race in football. It was important for the FA to take a | :45:33. | :45:38. | |
stand. I find it exordry that Capello, a bright and -- | :45:38. | :45:42. | |
extraordinary that Capello, a bright and cultured man, is going | :45:42. | :45:46. | |
on this issue, someone not proved but with allegations against him. | :45:46. | :45:51. | |
It is not about the allegations on John Terry, it is him taking the | :45:51. | :45:56. | |
decisions. The end result is we haven't got a captain or manager? | :45:56. | :45:59. | |
The mistake they made, was not consulting Capello, they didn't | :45:59. | :46:09. | |
need to back down once he apressed his disagreement. They are as -- | :46:09. | :46:12. | |
They are as incompetent as it is said? Having promised to learn | :46:12. | :46:17. | |
English when he got the job he hasn't, apparently he doesn't like | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
using the telephone, this is the astonishing thing, a general | :46:21. | :46:26. | |
manager was brought in on an astro nominal salary to be the conduit | :46:26. | :46:32. | |
between Capello and the players and the board. He disappeared to a job | :46:32. | :46:37. | |
in Roma, and Capello was not in the loop. Today we have learned he | :46:37. | :46:42. | |
doesn't use the telephone, but Harry Redknapp doesn't use a | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
computer or ever send an e-mail or text. Where do they find these | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
people? It is an indictment isn't it. The next manager, will, for a | :46:50. | :46:57. | |
period, will be a panacea, not for the national team but the national | :46:57. | :47:02. | |
game. It is about the next major competition and losing on penalties | :47:02. | :47:07. | |
and another disaster. What an extraordinary day, the possibility | :47:07. | :47:10. | |
of two things happening, Harry Redknapp cleared on the footsteps | :47:10. | :47:15. | |
of the Crown Court, and within a few hours Fabio Capello resigns. | :47:15. | :47:21. | |
I'm sure many will have seen the stuff coming out. Is it the red | :47:21. | :47:25. | |
card for the management? Absolutely, in the short-term they will need | :47:25. | :47:32. | |
someone to take over. I tweeted about the two issues taking place. | :47:32. | :47:38. |