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Will it take the deaths of foreign journalists in Syria to stir the | :00:08. | :00:16. | |
conscience of the world? The indiscriminate shellings of | :00:16. | :00:19. | |
civilians by the Syrian regime, has all the characteristics of a war | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
crime, many more said to be killed today, including the Sunday Times | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
journalist, Marie Colvin. Do we have any choice, but to stand and | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
watch. We will debate intervention with in Syria with Paul Wolfowitz, | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
Rory Stewart and a leading figure in the Syrian opposition. | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
Austerity, is it the right prescription for Europe's sickness, | :00:40. | :00:45. | |
Sweden's Prime Minister is here to tell us what he thinks of that, and | :00:45. | :00:50. | |
David Cameron's euroveto. And dangerous dogs, Newsnight can | :00:50. | :00:55. | |
reveal, kenneling is costing the police almost �4 million, with a | :00:55. | :01:01. | |
tax increase -- attacks increasing, we will debate whether new laws are | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
needed. REPORTER: Are you aware your dog tried to bite the | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
cameraman? She tried to bite her leg? It looked like that, but she | :01:09. | :01:19. | |
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didn't. Good evening, an Arab people, | :01:20. | :01:26. | |
unpopular dictator on his way out and shelling of civilians, when | :01:26. | :01:32. | |
that happened in Benghazi it led to the west bombing them out of power. | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
In the last interview yesterday, Sunday Times reporter, Marie Colvin | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
asked the question we will explore tonight, how can the international | :01:41. | :01:46. | |
community continue to watch what she described as war crime. Our | :01:46. | :01:49. | |
diplomatic editor, Mark Urban is with us, talk us through this. | :01:49. | :01:56. | |
Since a failure at the UN to get a diplomatic solution, the battle has | :01:56. | :02:01. | |
been the focus of the struggle. We can look in more detail now. Syria, | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
many different types of people there. It is a multiconfessional | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
country, if you like, President Assad, basis his support on his own | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
Alawite sect of the Shi'ite community and the Christians. Those | :02:13. | :02:21. | |
two groups are concentrated in the area we have shown in red. The | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
flourishing of armed opposition has been in the area of Homs, one place | :02:25. | :02:31. | |
where the called Free Syrian Army first appeared, and up there on the | :02:31. | :02:37. | |
Turkish border in a town called Idlib. All orders of escalation in | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
activities has happened in recent months, that has seen the | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
Government's forces, which on paper have hundreds of thousands really | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
hard pushed. Why? Because the effective mobile forces they have | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
are much smaller than that. You have the Republican Guard division, | :02:51. | :02:56. | |
the real last line of defence, if you like, in Damascus, protecting | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
the Government itself. But because opposition groups appeared in the | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
suburbs of the city, the fourth mechanised division under the | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
President's brother, has engaged in the last few weeks between Damascus | :03:08. | :03:13. | |
and the Lebanese border, another mechanised division down near the | :03:13. | :03:19. | |
Jordanian border, near the city of Deraa, the 90th Brigade, pretty | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
much a be second rate lot have been left to try to work things out | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
militarily in Homs. Other forces have been sent up towards Idlib. | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
You can see they are very stretched. There is probably no more than | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
40,000 troops in all of those formations added together. The big | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
question is, can the Government regain control? They clearly think | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
they can by military means. There is so much evidence to the contrary. | :03:42. | :03:46. | |
If we look at the situation in the north of the country. Up there you | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
have that town of Idlib, the Turkish border I will emphasise it | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
with a yellow line. Proposals today from the French and others, that | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
Idlib be one of those places that a had you machinetarian corridor will | :03:59. | :04:09. | |
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be opened, the Russians oppose that. In there patrols from the Free | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
Syrian Army, this is happening since April they have been asking | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
defectors to come into the northern belt of the country to create a | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
sort of safe haven. All the time the Syrian army has mounted serious | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
attempts to get up there and counter-attack, and it has failed. | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
In the last few days the Free Syrian Army has claimed hundreds of | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
defectors have come across, they have released images. Some people | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
doubt the voracity, some say it looks too farm for these people to | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
be there, when it is near freezing point. They also point out that the | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
Free Syrian Army, although it has the odd senior officer, I will put | :04:47. | :04:50. | |
the outline behind the Brigadier, said to have led the men across. | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
Most of these people, including some of the other officers in the | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
frontline of the photo, who have been put in there to make it look | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
like they are in authority, they are mere pip squeak Lieutenants, | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
they don't have the senior officers, who remain, by and large, loyal to | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
the regime. How is the conflict likely to develop now? It means | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
these very stretched Syrian army forces, the ones they can still | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
rely upon, are left moving about from one emergency to another, | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
never quite getting on top of it. The Free Syrian Army never quite | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
able to get the better of them either. They are trying desperately | :05:26. | :05:32. | |
hard in places like Homs, to seal in the revolt, put the Free Syrian | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
Army symbol on Baba Amr, the suburb of Homs, where there has been so | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
much trouble in the last few weeks. Many say most of their fighters | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
have left that area. The Syrian army, we know, has a large camp to | :05:44. | :05:53. | |
the south, it has mechanised forces. It is also using some of its armour | :05:53. | :05:58. | |
to spwra direct the countryside between Baba Amr and the will he | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
beties border, the infiltration routes, of course, it has been | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
using artillery against the suburb, for fear of sending its people in. | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
This picture of a gun line, released by the Americans a couple | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
of weeks ago. That is in the south of the city, where we showed you | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
the Government tanks are. If we go on further, we see some Government | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
tanks have approached close to Baba Amr. This is on one of the main | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
thorough fairs, it is a main cordon, trying to seal the place off. This | :06:26. | :06:33. | |
is second line stuff, they are not Keith guard formations, they are | :06:33. | :06:40. | |
from the second rate unit here Homs, quite old tanks. Lo and behold | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
pictures coming in south of where that photo was taken. What is | :06:43. | :06:48. | |
happening with the T-62s is the crew have defected. You put them | :06:48. | :06:53. | |
close to the opposition fighters, some will take their chance to | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
defect. Lo and behold we see the Free Syrian Army fighters have | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
taken the heavy machine gun off the top of the tank. That is the danger, | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
if they try to go into the places, their forces might fade away. | :07:08. | :07:13. | |
do we know about the death of the western journalists? Marie Colvin | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
and Remi Ochlik, both killed in Baba Amr, that place we showed the | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
centre of the fighting over the last 18 days, since the heavy | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
bombardment started. They were using a house, which some people | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
call a media centre, it seemed to be a sort of safe house for | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
visiting journalists, which the Free Syrian Army and other | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
opposition groups were taking people in and out of it. It appears | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
it was targeted, that is the suggestion. Several military rounds | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
came in accurately on the house, killing the two journalists, | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
wounding a few more. They are media organisations are now trying to get | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
them out this evening. Probably killing anything up to another two | :07:53. | :07:58. | |
dozen people in the neighbourhood around that house. So it would | :07:58. | :08:05. | |
appear to be a targeted strike, and the opposition groups say it is a | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
deliberate attempt by the Government to snuff out independent | :08:08. | :08:13. | |
reporting. With Russia and China vetoing | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
resolutions on Syria, is there anything the outside world can and | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
should. Do Joining me is the former US deputy | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
Defence Secretary, Paul Wolfowitz, a key player in the Iraq war, the | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
Conservative MP, Rory Stewart, and Syrian opposition leader, in London | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
for a few days before returning to Syria. Mr Wolfowitz, is there a | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
case for outside intervention in Syria, if so, what would it be? | :08:36. | :08:42. | |
Well, first of all, I think it is worth noting two remarkable facts, | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
one there is incredibly broad international support to see an end | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
to the Assad regime. Russia and China are the two countries | :08:50. | :08:55. | |
standing in the way, it is a very broad consensus. Secondly, the | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
Syrian people are incredibly brave, this fighting and bloodshed has | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
been going on for almost a year now, they show no sign of giving up. | :09:03. | :09:08. | |
There is a lot that can be done, the key goal has to be to try to | :09:08. | :09:13. | |
achieve a negotiated exit for the Assad regime. Sanctions aren't | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
going to have much effect when they are fighting for their life. What | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
will have an effect is strenening the opposition morally, politically | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
-- strengthening the opposition, morally, politically and materially. | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
Does that include arming the opposition, do you think? It is | :09:28. | :09:33. | |
interesting, everyone always jumps to that. Let's start with political. | :09:33. | :09:39. | |
It is incredibly important, if the opposition is given the opportunity | :09:39. | :09:44. | |
to speak with a loud voice to the Syrian people and to the world, and | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
to lay out an agenda that is reassuring, particularly to the | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
Alawite and Christian minorities, that is something that could hasten | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
defections are from the regime and hasten an end here. It is not just | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
about arming. When you come to material support, it is not just | :10:00. | :10:05. | |
about weaponry. My impression, and all of us are limited in our | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
information, thank heavens there are journalists as brave as Marie | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
Colvin to go in there and try to get the story out, she has paid a | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
terrible price. One of the things they need is | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
communications gear. Let me bring in Rory Stewart, Marie Colvin was a | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
friend of your's, you knew her. She said in the BBC interview that she | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
did yesterday, that no-one here can understand how the international | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
community can let this happen. She made the comparison to verb nisia. | :10:35. | :10:42. | |
Do we have to stand and watch this? She was deeply shocked by what was | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
going on. I would be very cautious, though, of what Paul is saying, in | :10:46. | :10:52. | |
terms of material support. I don't really see what, credibly, we could | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
do in terms of arming the rebels. At the moment they have weapons, | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
they appear to be getting support from places like Qatar. I think it | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
would be dangerous, it might undermine them to associate Britain | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
or the United States with them. I would like to take up Paul's | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
suggestion of focusing much more on the political. The key thing is to | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
give them a political voice and finding a political solution to the | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
programme, however nasty or messy that seems. You know your | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
constituents and others will be watching the TV pictures, and | :11:21. | :11:26. | |
reacting to Marie Colvin's death, and the death of 80 people today, | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
perhaps more, and saying this is absolutely terrible, in Srebrenica | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
we said it wouldn't happen again, and now it is happening again? | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
There are two things to remember. One of them is our power is limited, | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
our knowledge is limited, most importantly of all, we need to | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
listen to the Syrian people and the Syrian opposition. We need to ask | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
the gentlemen such as this, whether he really wants us to be arming the | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
rebels, and what that would mean for Syria. What do you want, what | :11:51. | :11:59. | |
do you need? First of all, I would like to ask peace for the soul of | :11:59. | :12:04. | |
the journalist Colvin and for the souls of thousands of Syrians that | :12:04. | :12:12. | |
are being killed every day in Syria. Secondly, we want an international | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
consensus. We want that the international community would help | :12:16. | :12:23. | |
us in making this agreement, making this exit. For the problem in Syria, | :12:23. | :12:30. | |
for this disaster that we are facing. It is not about something | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
like the friends of Syria, that will happen after tomorrow, those | :12:35. | :12:43. | |
larger groups of countries together can't make a real exit or real | :12:43. | :12:50. | |
solutions. Are there material goods, weapons, communications equipment, | :12:50. | :12:52. | |
political support, are there concrete things that outsiders can | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
do, that would really help you, given that the view outside is that, | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
at least, that the opposition is very fragmented, you have no-one | :13:01. | :13:07. | |
leader or one structure, you have many structures? The opposition is | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
fragmented, and also the Syrian society is fragmented, and also the | :13:12. | :13:14. | |
international community is fragmented. It is a problem on all | :13:14. | :13:24. | |
levels. We are working and we want that for the formation of small | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
groups of states that can help and make intervention on Syria, | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
especially with the collaboration of Russia. You can't put Russia | :13:32. | :13:37. | |
outside the formula or the equation. Let me put that to Mr Wolfowitz, | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
you can't put Russia outside the equation, yet they don't seem to | :13:42. | :13:50. | |
want the international consensus that is built? I think they don't. | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
What might bring them round is if they eventually saw this regime | :13:54. | :13:59. | |
would eventually lose. That means strengthening the opposition. They | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
are fragmented, and one reason is because it is very difficult to | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
communicate between different cities and groups. They are | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
fragmented in part because I think our contact with them is still | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
limited, it is growing, but it seems to me we should be meeting | :14:14. | :14:18. | |
with them much more often and much more conspicuously, and trying to | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
bring together as many different elements and sending a very loud | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
message about what the future of Syria might look like. In terms of | :14:26. | :14:32. | |
outsiders being involved, how involved do you think Iran already | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
is and Turkey already is, in the case of Iran in supporting the | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
regime? They are supporting the regime, they are well involved. We | :14:40. | :14:46. | |
have some media reports that maybe there is a real intervention for | :14:46. | :14:53. | |
them on the ground. They are on the ground. What I feel we don't want | :14:53. | :14:59. | |
to do, is end up as we did in Afghanistan in the 1980s, with a | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
foreign-funded insurgency, taking place from a neighbouring country. | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
Everything we can do to try to avoid that we should. We may end up | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
there eventually, but at the moment really a political solution, | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
pushing Assad, and the Russians, and working with what the Syrian | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
people want, which is not a fragmented civil war and foreign- | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
funded insurgency at the moment. The other parallel would be Iraq, | :15:20. | :15:25. | |
you may have a sectarian civil war in Syria afterwards? There is so | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
much horror that we have seen in Iraq, we did, of course in Libya, | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
which is is a place where the population is a third of this size, | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
and made some progress, but it took months to make the progress. We | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
will not have that consensus in Syria. We need to be more cautious, | :15:39. | :15:44. | |
and follow this gentleman's suggestion, there needs to be a | :15:44. | :15:47. | |
Syrian-led political solution. Wolfowitz, you are worried about | :15:47. | :15:52. | |
Iran in a slightly different context, I wondered what you | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
thought Iran's involvement was here, and whether that was of concern to | :15:56. | :16:01. | |
you too? I think the Iranians just had a couple of ships visit a | :16:01. | :16:06. | |
Syrian port, and prob below deliver weapons. I'm not as comfortable -- | :16:06. | :16:10. | |
probably deliver weapons, I'm not as comfortable with the idea that | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
Qatar is supplying the opposition. I don't see how one can expect any | :16:15. | :16:20. | |
good outcome if the opposition remains largely unarmed or armed by | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
people whose goals and objectives may be very different from our's. I | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
understand his concern about the Afghan President, but I would also | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
say the war in Bosnia went on for three bloody years, because we | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
insisted on keeping the Bosnians defenceless, eventually we had to | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
come in with foreign military forces, which it seems to me, we | :16:41. | :16:46. | |
ought to avoid. I think the goal should be strengthening and | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
unifying the Syrian opposition. Unfortunately I do think one has to | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
give the Assad regime a chance, if they leave peacefully, to leave | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
with their lives. On that thought, what do you make of the appetite in | :16:58. | :17:04. | |
Washington to get involved in the way in which you are suggesting? | :17:04. | :17:12. | |
think that the debate is open in Washington. It seems as though, I | :17:12. | :17:20. | |
mean scam Senator McCain and others have been on the idea of supporting | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
the opposition. Getting involved, we want to be very careful, nobody | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
wants to get involved in the way of Iraq. I don't think anyone is | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
suggesting getting involved in the way we are involved in Libya, there | :17:31. | :17:36. | |
are many, many things short of that, that could be done to strengthen | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
the opposition, and increase the chances and the speed of a peaceful | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
outcome here. The longer this terrible fighting goes on, the | :17:44. | :17:49. | |
worse the aftermath will be, of that I feel reasonably sure. | :17:49. | :17:54. | |
The Assad regime may be offered an elegant way out as Paul Wolfowitz | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
was suggesting, but they may do what Gaddafi did, and fight to the | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
bitter end? There is a difference, one of the differences is we have | :18:03. | :18:08. | |
managed to impose the sanctions and take away the oil. Gaddafi was | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
dealing with full NATO air strikes and hung on for months. We don't | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
know where that will go. We need to be careful not to make the | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
situation worse by funding strange factions of insurgent groups we | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
don't understand, and ending up in a situation in three or four years | :18:25. | :18:30. | |
time with a fractured and devastated Syria. More on Marie | :18:30. | :18:32. | |
Colvin, who died today, later, including an interview with a | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
friend and colleague. Now, at a time when Britain's | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
supporters at EU meetings on the eurozone crisis are sometimes | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
difficult to spot, David Cameron has been particularly impressed by | :18:43. | :18:45. | |
Sweden, and full of admiration for that country's Prime Minister, with | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
who we will hear from in a moment. Like Britain, Sweden is not in the | :18:49. | :18:54. | |
eurozone, and it has a centre right leader, who reregards himself as a | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
moderniser. And Swedes, like Britain, are suspicious of the | :18:58. | :19:03. | |
group bailout, and very sceptical of the prospect, if ever, of | :19:03. | :19:09. | |
joining the euro. The Greek bailout was finally | :19:09. | :19:15. | |
assembled this week, that averted or delayed a default in Athens, and | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
fears of widespread European economic breakdown. Sweden, like | :19:18. | :19:26. | |
Britain, remains outside the single currency, but it has profound | :19:26. | :19:36. | |
implications for the Swedes and its export market. Home of Saab and | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
IKEA, with fall in the demand for goods biting, growth is slowing. | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
David Cameron is known to have high regard for the economic and social | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
reforms implemented by Sweden's centre right Prime Minister, | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
Fredrik Reinfeldt. I very much admire what Sweden has achieved | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
under his leadership, the growth of the competitive economy, the | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
emphasis on green growth, the school reform, the welfare reform, | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
there is a lot Britain can learn from Sweden. Sweden has indeed been | :20:05. | :20:11. | |
seen in Britain as a potential ally in Europe, but after waefring over | :20:11. | :20:16. | |
negotiations on a new treaty in December, Mr Reinfeldt ultimately | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
distanced himself from the veto, leaving Britain in its isolation, | :20:20. | :20:26. | |
splend did or otherwise. Joining me is the Swedish Prime Minister, | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
Fredrik Reinfeldt, despite this week's bailout, how long do you | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
think it will be before Greece needs another bailout or out of the | :20:33. | :20:42. | |
euro? It is now in their own hands. They have had time to put in the | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
reforms they have promised but not followed through. They need a | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
surplus situation in the Greek economy. It is only in their own | :20:48. | :20:53. | |
hands to deliver it. When you look at Greece, do you think they are | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
set a task that is simply impossible, the austerity task | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
ahead of them is too hard for anybody to deliver? I could | :21:01. | :21:04. | |
understand if the Greek people feel like that. Ordinary people in | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
Greece, working, paying their taxes, feeling like they haven't done this, | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
but they have a great inequality in the society which they should | :21:13. | :21:18. | |
address. If you look to Sweden, and other countries that have been in | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
economic trouble, we found that the quicker you put in your reforms and | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
the more thorough you are in the beginning, the market reactions are | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
more positive. The criticism we have sometimes had towards Greece | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
is they have said a lot, but not always put in practice the reforms | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
they have promised. That is their plob blem. In terms of the Uri -- | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
Problem. In terms of the euro, you are out of it, and committed some | :21:41. | :21:47. | |
time in the future, vaguely, to join the euro. We have a two-speed | :21:47. | :21:52. | |
Europe already, are you better out of it? It is a multi-speed Europe, | :21:52. | :21:59. | |
there are differences to the euro and the Shengen area as well. The | :21:59. | :22:04. | |
Swedish people said no in a referendum. Now the Swedish krona, | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
which used to be insecured currency 20 years ago, now is seen as very | :22:08. | :22:13. | |
stable, and also very strong. But this more reflects the reforms and | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
the key reforms done to get better order in public finances. Again it | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
is very much in your own hands. Swedish people have spoken, is | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
there any point in keeping up the facade that you will at some point | :22:27. | :22:32. | |
join the euro, your heart isn't in it, which is what we are saying? | :22:32. | :22:36. | |
respect the result and we will not alter it unless we see a shift in | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
the opinion polls. The latest opinion polls show a support for | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
joining the euro down at 10%. It is an enormous increase in support for | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
keeping the Crown that, because the Crown that in itself, is now very | :22:48. | :22:52. | |
strong. They like it t of course. As you know, David Cameron is an | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
admirer of your's, there are similarities between your policies, | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
why did he end up alone in December at the European Summit. Why did he | :23:01. | :23:07. | |
end up speaking for Britain alone and not views that you may share | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
with Britain, in terms of the veto? I'm not sure that we were that far | :23:12. | :23:19. | |
apart, actually. The eurozone want to have a fiscal compact, that only | :23:19. | :23:23. | |
should regulations followed by the 17 countries. Outside of that we | :23:23. | :23:29. | |
have ten countries, including the UK and Sweden. I felt that, well, | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
we can join this fiscal compact if we could legally stay outside, but | :23:34. | :23:39. | |
be present during meetings. That combination was interesting for us. | :23:39. | :23:46. | |
I felt that, well, to David Cameron, he was not as sure of the merits of | :23:46. | :23:55. | |
this, he wanted to skr -- to have other kinds of things, a clearer | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
message when it came to the financial sector in London, and in | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
the UK. That was not possible. So I think it was quite understandable | :24:03. | :24:09. | |
why he reacted as he did. You use an interesting phrase about being | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
in the meetings, is that a drawback for you that Britain isn't going to | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
be in some of those meetings, you will be present and people that you | :24:17. | :24:22. | |
agree with, Britain, outside? In my own interests I would welcome | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
the UK, and David to be there. Because I think we have a lot in | :24:26. | :24:31. | |
common. I think we want to see a well-functioning intefrpbl market. | :24:31. | :24:35. | |
I think we are very -- internal market. I think we are very open to | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
trade. We stand very close to each other. Sweden and the UK are two | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
countries with very large financial sectors, even there we could share | :24:43. | :24:48. | |
interests. You need to be there, in my belief, to be able to stand up | :24:48. | :24:56. | |
for your interests. Trade and a lot of these interests, you need to be | :24:56. | :25:01. | |
there. Was it a tactical mistake for David Cameron not to play the | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
veto in that way and to be excluded and exclude himself? Then again | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
that was understandable that he wanted to secure some points, this | :25:09. | :25:18. | |
was not possible, then we chose another path. I understood his | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
reasoning. Again, the financial compact in itself is actually only | :25:22. | :25:29. | |
done for the 17. I also think the feeling in the UK is that you are | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
more long-term will stay outside the euro, in my country we will | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
still have a discussion that we might alter this in the future. | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
There is probably a difference. Thank you very much. | :25:40. | :25:44. | |
Over the past few weeks we have been witnessing something new at | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
Westminster. A semi-open discussion, in Government, about what should be | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
in the budget. In their party political broadcast tonight the | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
Liberal Democrats repeated the call they made on Newsnight on Monday, | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
for income tax thresholds to be raised. They aren't the only wupbls | :25:59. | :26:04. | |
doing the pleaded and plotting d ones doing the pleading and | :26:04. | :26:09. | |
plotting. What is going on today? Today was the turn of the Tories. | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
We had Liam Fox, former Defence Secretary, coming out, he called | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
for a reduction in national insurance on employers. Then this | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
evening and in tomorrow's Times, we have a senior Tory activist calling | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
for what can only be described as a mansion tax. But he's specific | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
about how he would do it. It would have been unthinkable a year ago to | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
have Tories calling for that sort of thing. What is interesting about | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
the negotiations before this the budget, if you think about how long | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
measures in budgets take effect, lots of people are thinking about | :26:40. | :26:45. | |
the next month's budget as the last chance to do something ahead of the | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
2015 election. That is why everyone is piling in to make a difference. | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
Given that is such an important step, politically, and there is | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
lots of ideas out there, do we have any senses of which ones will win | :26:55. | :27:00. | |
out in the budget? The Liam Fox one, eventhough viewers will be reading | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
and hearing a lot about this national insurance idea, when he | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
was on our programme on Monday night, David Laws ruled that out. | :27:07. | :27:12. | |
He said the priority, and the tax- cutting priority, in his language, | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
was what the Liberal Democrats want, which is the increase in the amount | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
of you can keep before paying tax. That is what they want and they | :27:20. | :27:26. | |
ruled out the NI. Some sources in Downing Street said it didn't work | :27:26. | :27:31. | |
in the opening stages of coalition. Eventhough they want it I'm not | :27:31. | :27:35. | |
sure they will go for it. There is work with wealth tax, behind the | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
scenes. One of the problems is the Government not only have to find | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
the pot of money for the Lib Dem idea, it is a joint idea but the | :27:43. | :27:52. | |
Lib Dems are pushing it. They have to find a way of fund the child | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
benefit, they have to lessen the impact, that is why we have to look | :27:56. | :28:01. | |
at ways to raise revenue. There is some movement on pension relief, | :28:01. | :28:06. | |
now we are listening to interesting ideas. It is budget by former | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
cabinet minister. What are the Treasury working on, do you think? | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
There is a range of options, one of them is this problem that the | :28:14. | :28:16. | |
private sector are sitting on healthy balance sheets, how do you | :28:16. | :28:20. | |
try to encourage them to get their assets out into the real economy, | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
rather than sitting and waiting for things to get better and coming in. | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
There is positive things going on in childcare and social care, there | :28:28. | :28:33. | |
is big battles but they are trying for good news stories. They have to | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
amealate some of the bad things, then there is the pension thing we | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
talked about before. It is complicated and high stakes, and | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
there is no money. We understood that. | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
Every day in Britain a dozen postal workers are attacked by dogs as | :28:49. | :28:54. | |
they deliver our mail. But because the attacks generally take place on | :28:54. | :28:58. | |
their owner's private property, prosecutions are almost impossible. | :28:58. | :29:04. | |
In the last year 6,000 adults and children were admitted to dopt | :29:04. | :29:11. | |
because -- hospital because of dog attacks. Keeping dogs in kennels is | :29:11. | :29:18. | |
costing the Metropolitan Police �4 million a year. Proposals will be | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
published next month. What should be done about dangerous dogs o | :29:21. | :29:28. | |
perhaps their owners. -- or perhaps their owners. We have | :29:28. | :29:34. | |
become a uby-election tus feature of modern life in Britain, dogs you | :29:34. | :29:38. | |
would hesitate to pet. Often known as dangerous dogs. They have been | :29:38. | :29:43. | |
linked to 6,000 attacks a year. Who needs them and what are we going to | :29:43. | :29:53. | |
do about them? It is amazing how one little person can affect so | :29:53. | :29:58. | |
many people, like, proper ripple effect, on people's lives. None of | :29:58. | :30:03. | |
us are the same people, your whole life just changes. You change as a | :30:03. | :30:10. | |
person, everything you knew is just gone, within seconds. Three years | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
ago Angela McGlynn's four-year-old son, John Paul, was attacked and | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
killed by a pitbull here in Liverpool. He was at his granny's | :30:17. | :30:23. | |
house at the time, the dog was a trusted family pet. She tried her | :30:23. | :30:30. | |
best to save John Paul, she couldn't, but she saved herself and | :30:30. | :30:35. | |
my other son, I could have lost all three of them that night. Angela | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
McGlynn's MP wants to see the law changed on dangerous dogs, at | :30:39. | :30:43. | |
present it is hard to prosecute owners over attacks which happen on | :30:43. | :30:47. | |
their own premises, she says, and the Government seems to have fallen | :30:47. | :30:52. | |
silent on the whole subject. With can't afford to see another | :30:52. | :30:55. | |
child die. We have seen six children lose their lives since | :30:55. | :30:59. | |
2006. What we are calling for is the Government to take some action | :30:59. | :31:02. | |
and respond to their very own consultation, which concluded 20 | :31:02. | :31:06. | |
months ago, we have seen nothing from them, heard nothing, it is not | :31:06. | :31:10. | |
acceptable. It seemed everyone we met had a story to tell their MP | :31:10. | :31:15. | |
about an all too close encounter with a dangerous dog. A chap in the | :31:15. | :31:18. | |
next street got hold of the dog and threw it into the middle of the | :31:18. | :31:23. | |
road, pushed me into the news agents, and the dog shot off the | :31:23. | :31:30. | |
road, pushed the news agent's door and got me in the shop itself. | :31:30. | :31:35. | |
All right lads could we have a word with you for Newsnight about your | :31:36. | :31:45. | |
:31:46. | :31:49. | ||
dog. Sorry. You got him under control there? Yeah. What is your | :31:49. | :31:59. | |
:31:59. | :32:03. | ||
dog? What breed is it? A staff crossed with a whippet? It is four | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
years old. Are you aware your dog just tried to bite our cameraman? | :32:07. | :32:13. | |
She is just barking. She tried to bite her leg? It looked like, but | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
she never bite nobody. What have you got a dog like that | :32:17. | :32:27. | |
:32:27. | :32:28. | ||
for? I just got her. You know. She looks how she looks, aggressive, | :32:28. | :32:35. | |
but it is absolutely sweet dog. I introduce your local MP. Do you | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
have any thoughts about this creature and our friend here. | :32:38. | :32:45. | |
your local member of parliament, I'm campaigning against dogs that | :32:45. | :32:53. | |
might impact or might hurt or affect other people. I come to this | :32:53. | :32:59. | |
park every day. (dog barking (she plays with the other dogs, and you | :32:59. | :33:06. | |
know, never have a situation like this. Would you let her near any | :33:06. | :33:13. | |
children? No. Are you worried your dog could bite someone? Yeah, any | :33:13. | :33:20. | |
dog can bite someone. What did you make of that? That is the very | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
thing I'm concerned about. That man said he was the fifth owner, there | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
was four previous owners of the dog, he didn't know if he necessarily | :33:27. | :33:32. | |
had the skills to look after that animal. We saw the dog off the | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
leash, I was quite scared by the dog, we saw it go for the cameraman, | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
my concern is about a child in the park, another adult or another dog. | :33:40. | :33:45. | |
He just walks off to work or whatever he's doing. What on earth | :33:45. | :33:48. | |
is anyone, including you going to do about that in reality? That is | :33:48. | :33:53. | |
why we need to see a very, very quick change in the law. The law as | :33:53. | :33:56. | |
it stands isn't robust enough to deal with that. If there was a dog | :33:56. | :33:59. | |
warden in the area, or someone from the council, or someone from the | :33:59. | :34:04. | |
police, they could serve a dog control notice so that owner was | :34:04. | :34:07. | |
then responsible for ensuring his dog was kept on a lead at all times, | :34:07. | :34:13. | |
rather than off the lead, as we saw At the moment the law targets only | :34:13. | :34:17. | |
four breeds of dog. Regardless of what the animals may have done, or | :34:17. | :34:21. | |
not done. Owners may not be prosecuted over | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
dog attacks which occur on their own property. | :34:25. | :34:32. | |
The Freedom of Information by Miss Berger, has revealed the police are | :34:32. | :34:37. | |
spending almost �4 million on kenneling dogs. In her own area, | :34:37. | :34:42. | |
Merseyside, they spent almost 300,000, and in London the figure | :34:42. | :34:47. | |
was the best part of �3 million. The police impounded Bodie here, | :34:47. | :34:52. | |
because he's an illegal breed, eventhough he has never attacked | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
anyone. Denise Evans managed to get him returned. She says the real | :34:55. | :35:05. | |
:35:05. | :35:05. | ||
problem is the way dogs are trained. There are vicious ones of these, I | :35:05. | :35:10. | |
wouldn't want to come across, they are strong dogs. If you own a dog | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
like this, you have to be a responsible owner, it is not the | :35:13. | :35:18. | |
dog but the owner who has to have control of the dog. We need powers | :35:18. | :35:21. | |
to concentrate on people who use dogs as weapons in the communities, | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
people seeking to use it as a status, in certain communities that | :35:25. | :35:30. | |
is of grave concern. We need robust legislation to tackle these | :35:30. | :35:36. | |
offenders and ensure they understand their responsibility. | :35:36. | :35:40. | |
The Government said tonight it would announce new proposals on the | :35:40. | :35:48. | |
control of dogs in the coming weeks. The Labour MP, is in favour of | :35:48. | :35:53. | |
changes to the current law, and Mark Littlewood, of the Institute | :35:53. | :35:58. | |
of Economic Affairs, is sceptical new laws are necessary. Do you | :35:58. | :36:03. | |
think the 1991 Dangerous Dogs Act is a waste of pays? The eight | :36:03. | :36:08. | |
speess -- space? The eight pieces of legislation need to come | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
together. That is why broad agencies, including enforcement | :36:11. | :36:18. | |
agencies, and trade unions, you mentioned postal Work In Progress | :36:18. | :36:23. | |
By A Life In Progressers, and animal welfare groups, we need an | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
urgent change in the legislation. That is why we needed a | :36:27. | :36:33. | |
consultation about the legislation. You said the Government said in the | :36:33. | :36:35. | |
coming weeks. I have heard the Government say it will respond to | :36:35. | :36:40. | |
its own consultation in the coming weeks for the past 20 months. We | :36:40. | :36:45. | |
need urgent response from the Government. Why are you against | :36:45. | :36:50. | |
more legislation on this? We have to put this into context. There is | :36:50. | :36:55. | |
horrific stories in the package we have seen, but it isn't an enormous | :36:55. | :37:00. | |
problem. It is if you are bitten? The same number of people die from | :37:00. | :37:06. | |
wasp and bee bites as from dog bites. It is harrowing if it | :37:06. | :37:10. | |
happens, but let's not build it out of proportion. We need clear | :37:10. | :37:14. | |
responsibility on the owner, both criminal conduct, if your dog | :37:14. | :37:17. | |
attacks another member of the public, and compensation, if there | :37:17. | :37:22. | |
is an injury. Once you have got that sorted, the last thing we need | :37:22. | :37:26. | |
is microchipping, local bureaucrats with dog control orders or anything | :37:26. | :37:31. | |
else. That is not going to make us much safer? This question of | :37:31. | :37:35. | |
private property, what do you want to see done on that, do you think | :37:35. | :37:38. | |
it should be the same whether you are bitten by somebody in a garden | :37:38. | :37:43. | |
by a dog or somebody on the street, is that what you would like to see? | :37:43. | :37:46. | |
That is one of the five key things we are calling for. That the law | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
should be extended to cover private property, so victims can get the | :37:50. | :37:53. | |
justice they deserve if they are attacked on private property as | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
much as a public place. There is very little powers falling to the | :37:57. | :38:02. | |
police to pursue anyone if someone is bitten. You pension the postal | :38:02. | :38:07. | |
workers, every single day 15 postal workers are attacked delivering | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
mail, social workers visiting houses, there is no resource for | :38:11. | :38:17. | |
those people. I do think the point about private property, you can | :38:17. | :38:23. | |
take risks and people can decide to enter it. If you enter my house you | :38:23. | :38:31. | |
will be encountering smoke, and we have leads everywhere, if there is | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
a dog you may choose not to bring your children round. There is a | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
risk for postal workers, you have to say this postman will not visit | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
41 Dawes of a dangerous dog. I don't think you should -- 41 | :38:43. | :38:48. | |
because of a dangerous dog, I don't think you should apply that to all | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
private property. If you punch somebody in the street that is a | :38:51. | :38:57. | |
crime f you punch somebody in your front garden that is a crime, but | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
not your dog? That is not a comparison. If you punch somebody | :39:01. | :39:04. | |
in your living room it is accused of a crime, this is a question of a | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
health and safety risk that might run out of control. If you | :39:08. | :39:12. | |
deliberately feed the neighbour's kids to the dogs this is a crime, | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
it is more a negligence and health and safety issue, it is important | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
that doesn't extend to the living room of private property. | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
Absolutely disagree. We don't have that power already, and certain | :39:23. | :39:27. | |
people are not afforded protection, people are disfigured and disabled | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
every day. It is around 6,000 people hospitalised every year, | :39:30. | :39:35. | |
that doesn't include people going toe their GPs or accident treatment | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
centres. 11 deaths I think is too many. That in itself requires a | :39:38. | :39:43. | |
change in the law. Also for those thousands of people injured. What | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
about the other things saying, making people having to chip dogs, | :39:47. | :39:53. | |
many dog owners do. Is that really the problem, or is it bad owners? | :39:53. | :39:58. | |
It is about encouraging responsible ownership, and beyond the breed to | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
the deed. There is very little preventive powers extended to the | :40:01. | :40:05. | |
police or councils to deal with the problem before an attack takes | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
place. We mentioned before about the cost that the police forces up | :40:09. | :40:13. | |
and down this country are incurring, they are doing a fantastic job | :40:13. | :40:16. | |
under very difficult circumstances. They need all the support and | :40:16. | :40:21. | |
powers afforded to them so they can take action so we don't see another | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
person die. We don't need to give the police that support, we need to | :40:25. | :40:29. | |
make it plain the owner bears the responsibility. If it rips yours | :40:29. | :40:35. | |
jacket the owner has to pay, if it harms you, the owner has to pay | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
compensation and possibly facing a criminal offence. As long as we | :40:39. | :40:42. | |
shift responsibility clearly and plainly on to the owner, and don't | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
make it the responsibility of the police or the local council. Is the | :40:46. | :40:50. | |
answer licensing, if you are a bad owner you get your license taken | :40:50. | :40:57. | |
away? In the same way we have compulsory insurance for people who | :40:57. | :41:03. | |
drive motorcars -- motorcars, there might be compulsory insurance for | :41:03. | :41:09. | |
certain breeds of dogs. Keep the responsibility with the owner, not | :41:09. | :41:14. | |
with Of-dog, or whatever bureaucratic agency they want to | :41:14. | :41:17. | |
set up? It is about empowering owners to be responsible and help | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
them look after their dogs and make sure they don't cause problems or | :41:21. | :41:26. | |
attack anyone. Would you be in favour of some licensing system, in | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
other words, if you didn't look after your dog couldn't have one, | :41:29. | :41:34. | |
the Government would tell you that? The five key things we are looking | :41:34. | :41:39. | |
at don't extend to that, I'm open to all options, we just want action. | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
We have seen action in Northern Ireland and Scotland, and Wales are | :41:43. | :41:47. | |
going to introduce new legislation by the end of the year. I want this | :41:47. | :41:51. | |
Government to introduce legislation to consolidate the acts as they | :41:51. | :41:56. | |
stand, and afford our police and councils additional protections so | :41:57. | :42:01. | |
we don't see anyone else die. Not surprisingly tomorrow morning's | :42:01. | :42:07. | |
newspapers have a great deal to say on the death of Marie Colvin. Her | :42:07. | :42:17. | |
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photograph is on the front pages. There is a quote from a speech she | :42:19. | :42:22. | |
gave in November 2010, giving a service to commemorate war | :42:22. | :42:27. | |
reporters who died. She's on the front page of the Guardian, she | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
wanted to finish one more story is its take on the story. The | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
Independent has the heroic face of journalism, we have seen some of | :42:35. | :42:41. | |
the other faces of journalism, this is the heroic face. The Telegraph | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
has baby girls aborted and no questions asked. Joining us to | :42:45. | :42:50. | |
discuss Marie Colvin's life and work is a fellow reporter, Janine | :42:50. | :42:55. | |
di Giovanni. How will you remember her? As an incredibly tenacious, | :42:55. | :43:01. | |
brave, courageous reporter, the one that was always first in and the | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
last to go. She would stay much longer than anyone. She was | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
incredibly determined to tell the story, to get the story out, often | :43:09. | :43:14. | |
at great risk to herself, whether Chechnya, East Timor, or Kosovo. | :43:14. | :43:19. | |
She really came from that great tradition of reporter of James | :43:19. | :43:23. | |
Cameron, Martha Gellhorn, whom she greatly admired. I just hope, and I | :43:23. | :43:29. | |
truly believe that, especially for women, she kind of set the bar for | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
journalism, for real journalism. And telling the truth and bringing | :43:33. | :43:37. | |
a Joyce to people who didn't have a voice. -- a voice to people who | :43:37. | :43:40. | |
didn't have a voice. She was a great crusader of bearing witness, | :43:40. | :43:44. | |
which is what she called it, for people to tell their stories. She | :43:44. | :43:48. | |
often said if they want to tell you, they will tell you, and they want | :43:48. | :43:53. | |
to tell you, they want you to know the truth. She and you more than | :43:53. | :43:58. | |
anybody, you know the risks you run in those situations. The big | :43:58. | :44:05. | |
question that people will be asking is why did she do it? With Homs | :44:05. | :44:10. | |
there is terrible resonance of Sarajevo, a city isolated and the | :44:11. | :44:14. | |
civilian population is going through hell. There are some | :44:14. | :44:18. | |
journalists there but not many. She believed that this was a crucial | :44:18. | :44:24. | |
story to tell, that the world needs to know what's happening, and she | :44:24. | :44:28. | |
was someone that had the ability to do that. She had the courage, and | :44:28. | :44:31. | |
she certainly had the experience. She was doing this for more than 25 | :44:31. | :44:37. | |
years. It was a story that needed to be told. You mentioned Martha | :44:37. | :44:42. | |
Gellhorn, you said that she was a great roll model for journalists, | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
particularly for women too. Is it different for women in a warzone, | :44:45. | :44:50. | |
is it easier or more difficult, do people talk to you more? This is | :44:50. | :44:55. | |
always a question that is asked. I think that there is pros and cons, | :44:55. | :44:59. | |
obviously a story like this, where she would have had to be smuggled | :44:59. | :45:05. | |
in to get in, and would have been incred difficult for -- incredibly | :45:05. | :45:09. | |
difficult for a woman, win she went to Chechnya and was smuggled in, | :45:09. | :45:14. | |
she had to hike over mountains. Women are not as physically strong | :45:14. | :45:19. | |
as men, biologically, I think there is that. On the ground women can be | :45:19. | :45:24. | |
absolutely just as tough and tenacious, and courageous as men. I | :45:24. | :45:30. | |
think she really was the role model for an entire generation of women | :45:30. | :45:35. | |
and men, and young reporters, who really want to carry the truth, and | :45:35. | :45:40. | |
to bring the truth to a wider audience. To go somewhere where one | :45:40. | :45:44. | |
of our colleagues said to shine a light in the darkest corners of the | :45:44. | :45:48. | |
world. She was very, listening to that BBC interview that she gave | :45:48. | :45:51. | |
yesterday, not just very, very motivated, but very committed to | :45:52. | :45:56. | |
bringing some kind of peace to the people she saw suffering, and to | :45:56. | :45:59. | |
make us understand that eventhough we live many hundreds of thousands | :45:59. | :46:04. | |
of miles away? With passion, she had tremendous passion, she once | :46:04. | :46:07. | |
said she can't write about something unless she was passionate | :46:07. | :46:11. | |
about it. She was someone, whether it was the Middle East, that was | :46:11. | :46:15. | |
really her area, and she would hold on to something, and she believed | :46:15. | :46:19. | |
in it. I remember once saying to her, do you ever let this story go, | :46:19. | :46:23. | |
she said not when you are in the middle of it, she was living in | :46:23. | :46:29. | |
Jerusalem at the time. She just lived for her work, she was | :46:29. | :46:33. | |
completely devoted to it. She would spend months staying somewhere. | :46:33. | :46:39. | |
Libya, she called it a health farm, because she was there for so long, | :46:39. | :46:43. | |
and she, at great cost often to one's private life doing this, it | :46:43. | :46:48. | |
is a very difficult job. She is someone we will never forget. | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
Thank you very much for paying tribute to Marie Colvin. That's all | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
for tonight, Kirsty will be here tomorrow, one last piece of news, | :46:55. | :47:02. | |
tonight at the Royal Television Society News Awards, Newsnight won | :47:02. | :47:12. | |
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news programme of the year, our Good evening. Cloudy, misty and | :47:32. | :47:37. | |
mild night tonight for many. Particularly misty across these | :47:37. | :47:42. | |
western areas, foggy start, slowing the commute, with the wind south- | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
westerly, many of these western and southern parts will remain grey | :47:46. | :47:51. | |
throughout. To the high ground, north-east England, certainly | :47:51. | :47:55. | |
through eastern parts of England, temperatures lifting in sunny | :47:55. | :48:00. | |
spells to 16 or 17. Not opening for too much in the way of sunshine | :48:00. | :48:05. | |
around the coast, in Torbay to the east of Dartmoor, sunnier breaks. | :48:05. | :48:09. | |
Through the moors, it is going to rain misty, foggy all day. The | :48:09. | :48:14. | |
white colours here across the hills and mountains of Wales. With that | :48:14. | :48:18. | |
thicker cloud comes patchy rain or drizzle. Maybe a little bit of | :48:18. | :48:22. | |
brightness across and down. Thicker cloud to North West later brings | :48:22. | :48:26. | |
the wettest spell of the day. Patchy rain or drizzle turning | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
heavier across the North West of Scotland. Things change across the | :48:30. | :48:34. | |
north, particularly for Scotland and Northern Ireland, into Friday. | :48:34. | :48:37. | |
Something brighter, but the temperatures drop, we will slowly | :48:37. | :48:40. | |
see temperatures drop across England and Wales too, a lot more | :48:40. | :48:45. | |
cloud on Friday, with patchy rain and drizzle, that comes from a cold | :48:45. | :48:49. |