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Gerry Adams is still being questioned by police in Northern | :00:00. | :00:14. | |
Ireland over the death of Jeanne McConville. Her daughter says she's | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
sure he was involved in her mother's death and will name names. They have | :00:21. | :00:24. | |
done so much to me already in the last 42, what will they do, come and | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
put a bullet in my head. Well they know where I live. Antibiotics once | :00:29. | :00:35. | |
projects us from infections that kill, the World Health Organisation | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
says that is over and even a scratch could be fatal. We will ask the | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
Chief Medical Officer what we all do now. Unless we build more houses, | :00:44. | :00:49. | |
prices will quadruple and face an historic drop in homeownership. That | :00:50. | :00:55. | |
is the warning from Ed Miliband today. It was time from the half way | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
line to the penalty spot and putting the ball down is where you miss the | :01:01. | :01:07. | |
penalty. When your inner chimp is doing his stuff? Doing his worst | :01:08. | :01:14. | |
work. The inner chimp could be the answer to England perennial penalty | :01:15. | :01:21. | |
shootout heartbreak. Good evening, at 8.00 tonight Gerry | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
Adams began his second 24-hour period of questioning over one of | :01:26. | :01:32. | |
the province's most notorious murders. He is being investigated | :01:33. | :01:43. | |
over the IRA abduction and death of Jeanne McConville. No-one has ever | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
been accused of her murder. Gerry Adams has denied involvement with | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
the IRA and says he's innocent in her death. | :01:52. | :01:56. | |
??FORCEDWHI It was said his detention was a deliberate attempt | :01:57. | :02:02. | |
to influence the forth coming European elections. | :02:03. | :02:11. | |
Jim Reid is in Belfast. She was always on the go, washing clothes, | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
making dinners, looking after her family. 17 men and women disappeared | :02:16. | :02:21. | |
in the troubles. All were abducted, killed and secretly buried. Our | :02:22. | :02:29. | |
whole family, not only our mother wasn't accepted into this area, we | :02:30. | :02:32. | |
were strangers in a strange place. Jeanne McConville was at home with | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
her children when she was bundled into a van by a group of IRA | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
members. Her body was dug up on this beach 30 years later. The IRA came | :02:42. | :02:49. | |
to the door between 5. 30-6.00, a rap came on the door and we answered | :02:50. | :02:58. | |
the door and these people pushed past. They shouted "where's your | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
mother", she grabbed the mother, and we grabbed the mother and held on to | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
her and we were crying, and my mother was crying too. A week later | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
an IRA man came to the door and handed my mother's purse in and her | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
rings. And I realised then that mother was killed. I knew she was | :03:19. | :03:26. | |
dead. The Good Friday Agreement was meant to end decades of conflict, | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
building new democratic institutions and healing old wounds, but unsolved | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
murders like the one of Jeanne McConville were never going to be | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
forgotten overnight. Family members from both sides of the sectarian | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
divide still want justice for the crimes of the past. The widows | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
mother of ten was taken in front of these flats in 1972, wrongly | :03:50. | :03:55. | |
suspected of passing information to the British authorities. | :03:56. | :04:01. | |
I know these people and they know that I know them. And they know my | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
family knows them as well. Just to be clear you still don't feel in a | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
position where you can name names? No, I don't. Because there was a | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
killing there last week, someone shot dead last week. There is still | :04:14. | :04:22. | |
guns out there in Northern Ireland and they are out there. Tonight the | :04:23. | :04:28. | |
leader of Sinn Fein is still in a police station in Antrim being | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
questioned about that murder. Gerry Adams has always denied he was a | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
member of the IRA. Denied he ordered the disappearance of Jeanne | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
McConville. There is only one man who gave the order for that woman to | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
be executed, that man, is now the head of Sinn Fein. But taped | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
interviews appear to contradict that. Former IRA members spoke | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
openly to researchers from Boston College, on the understanding the | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
recordings would not be released until after their death. The major | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
reasons why people like Brendan Hughes and Dolace Pryce came out and | :05:02. | :05:08. | |
denounced Gerry Adams and said he was involved in these things is | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
because the man himself has put several yards of clear blue water | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
between himself and the IRA. People like that were motivated by the fact | :05:19. | :05:25. | |
that Gerry Adams denied in such an emphatic way things that they had | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
been involved with him in doing. That pushed them, I think, over the | :05:31. | :05:36. | |
edge, and led them to say the sort of things they have been saying. | :05:37. | :05:39. | |
Sinn Fein say the accusations are malicious, and the timing is no | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
coincidence, ahead of elections on both sides of the Irish border. What | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
other conclusion can I or any other person come to that in the mouth of | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
an election, the leader of a political party which is | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
experiencing huge growth all over the island of Ireland, finds himself | :06:00. | :06:07. | |
under arrest? A back street pub in the heart of one of Belfast's back | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
street areas was blown apart. There are active investigations into other | :06:13. | :06:15. | |
atrocities of the past. Just this week a man was arrested and released | :06:16. | :06:19. | |
over a notorious loyalist bomb attack on a Belfast bar. Some worry | :06:20. | :06:28. | |
dredging up these historic cases threatens the fragile peace process, | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
for the families of victims, this is about recognition and justice. Do | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
you feel there may be an argument that at some point it is time just | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
to accept these things happen and move on? No, when you hear people | :06:40. | :06:50. | |
saying that, most people will say things like, English politicians | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
that never suffered anything in the troubles. Or you will hear people | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
saying from here who have never suffered in the troubles. I would | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
like them to spend a month and live here and listen to half the problems | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
people have. You need law and order, you definitely need law and order, | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
and you need to address the past. Th beach gave up its secret a decade | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
ago, there are another seven IRA victims whose remains have never | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
been found. Part of Northern Ireland's history, that refuses to | :07:20. | :07:26. | |
be swept away. After Jeanne McConville's | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
disappearance, her daughter, the then 15-year-old Helen had to take | :07:30. | :07:36. | |
care of herself and her sinles. -- siblings. Earlier I spoke to her | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
from Belfast. Today your mother Michael said he | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
knows the identity of the people who came to the house that night and | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
took your mother, he won't say for fear of being shot by the IRA. Do | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
you share those fears? No. That fear left me a long time ago. I don't | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
fear the IRA any more. I will happily give the names I know to the | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
police. Have you been asked for the names? I have spoken to the police, | :08:04. | :08:11. | |
but I haven't come to any interview. You weren't in the house that night, | :08:12. | :08:14. | |
you were out at the shops? That's right. When you came back your | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
brothers and sisters told you who were there, so you have a full | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
picture of who was there? I have, yes. Will you tell us the names | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
tonight? No, I would rather speak to maybe the authorities first. Have | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
you done so already at all? No the police haven't asked me yet, I | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
haven't gone into full details with it. There were women and men in the | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
house that night, weren't there? There was, there was four women and | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
eight men. And you knew the women because they were local or why? One | :08:47. | :08:54. | |
of the girls, she came in and didn't cover herself up in any way. Like | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
your brother, do you see these people in the street? I have left | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
Belfast now, but when I go back to Belfast I would see them in the town | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
centre, yes. Have you ever confronted anyone who you believe | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
was in the house that night, who was in the house that night? No, but one | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
of them tried to confront me in a McDonalds when I had my children | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
there for a birthday treat. When was this? Going back to 1995. When they | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
confronted you, what were they saying to you? They were screaming | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
at me, you know. Like I was accusing them of something that they didn't | :09:30. | :09:32. | |
do, why are you picking on me, why are you saying things about me? She | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
was feeling guilty I would say, not me? . At the time did you feel | :09:38. | :09:45. | |
threatened, there you were, you were the oldest industry Sister in the | :09:46. | :09:47. | |
house and your mother taken, what did you do? Every now and then I had | :09:48. | :09:53. | |
to barricade the door, and make sure the younger ones were in bed, and we | :09:54. | :10:00. | |
were locked in. Anybody running past the door sent fear into us. You were | :10:01. | :10:07. | |
15? I was 15, yes. Did you try and find your mother? We went searching | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
for her, my brother Arthur and myself went searching at night, | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
looking in old buildings and things like that. We went to a republican | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
club to ask questions. We were told you don't know what you are talking | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
about, we haven't taken your mother. Then it was put into our face that | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
is our mother had left us and was living in England with a British | :10:31. | :10:37. | |
soldier. Helen, you then had a visit after your mother's death from the | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
IRA, bringing back things to you, what happened? I answered a knock on | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
the door and there was a fella standing there, a complete stranger, | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
he handed me back my mother's purse, which had three rings in it. I asked | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
where my mother was, he said he knew nothing about my mother he was just | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
told to bring the purse back to our home. If you are prepared now to | :11:01. | :11:07. | |
give the names of the people that were in that house, your house, | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
sorry, that night to the police, why do you think the police haven't come | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
to you for the names? I think the police are working on the Boston | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
Tapes really at the moment. I know you were very instrumental in | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
pressing for the Boston Tapes to be released? Yes. But do you not think | :11:25. | :11:30. | |
the PSNI should be coming to you, if you have information? Yes they have | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
come to speak to me, they have asked me things, but I don't really want | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
to put those on air at the moment. You can understand, we will wait and | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
see what happens tonight. I understand that, but I just want to | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
be quite categorically clear about this, you are prepared to give the | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
PSNI the names? I am prepared. Would that go for some of your brothers | :11:52. | :11:55. | |
and sisters too? I can't speak for them I can only speak for myself. | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
Any help that I can give to catch the people who killed my mother I | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
will do it. You haven't given names but you are prepared to do so? I am | :12:06. | :12:12. | |
prepared to do so, yes. Is it your belief that Gerry Adams was involved | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
in the mother of your mother? I have always believed Gerry Adams was | :12:17. | :12:21. | |
involved in the murder of my mother. Until the day I die I will believe | :12:22. | :12:24. | |
that. Why do you think that? There is a saying here the dogs on the | :12:25. | :12:33. | |
street know it. Even speaking to you tonight, you don't feel a fear for | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
yourself speaking to us about this? What haven't they done to me in the | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
past 42 years, what will they do, put a bullet in my head. They know | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
where I live. This is a really difficult time for all your family. | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
I wonder about this question, if it is the price of peace to leave this | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
alone, do you think it will have to be left alone? No, I'm like any | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
other, we're like any other family here in Northern Ireland who has | :13:04. | :13:10. | |
lost someone, it doesn't matter who killed them, IRA, UDA, loyalists, | :13:11. | :13:16. | |
the British Army. If the British Army had tipped me off about what | :13:17. | :13:19. | |
happened here I would want them to be handed back to the police. | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
Everyone has the right to know what happened to the person they loved | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
and they need the truth and justice. Are you prepared to keep going, no | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
matter how long it takes to get the truth about your mother's death? | :13:31. | :13:37. | |
When I said in 1994 I will, the first time I spoke about my mother, | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
I swore that until the day I die I will campaign for my mother. If | :13:43. | :13:45. | |
anything happens to me I have five children who will carry on | :13:46. | :13:48. | |
campaigning for the truth. And your children want you to campaign, they | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
are not in fear for their lives? No. They didn't do anything wrong, nor | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
did I, nor did my mother, we have no fear. Do you think that we are at a | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
pivitol moment in the search for what happened to your mother with | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
the arrest of Gerry Adams? Yes, it is the day we have been waiting for. | :14:07. | :14:17. | |
Thank you very much indeed. Northern Ireland's Victims' and | :14:18. | :14:25. | |
Survivors' Commissioner is here, and Peter Hain joins me from Belfast. | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
Catherine Stone, what was said there, we need truth and justice, | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
she's right isn't she? She's absolutely right, and what she does | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
in a very dignified and poignant way is echo the voices of so many | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
victims who say truth, justice, acknowledgement, that's what we | :14:46. | :14:52. | |
want, and that's what we must have. Peter Hain, you were on record as | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
saying you think there should be an end to all conflict-related | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
prosecutions. How can you say that to Helen McKendry? I agree with what | :15:02. | :15:10. | |
Katherine has just said, and I salute the enormous bravery of Helen | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
and her brother Michael. What was done to their mother was horrendous, | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
and if I were in their shoes I would be doing exactly what they are | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
doing. So they should have truth and justice and prosecutions if | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
necessary? If it is possible to get truth and justice, yes, of course. | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
Even if it means high-profile prosecutions and indeed an end to a | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
veneer of peace in Northern Ireland because of it? If you let me finish | :15:39. | :15:47. | |
my point. It is simply the reality, unfortunately, as Katherine knows. | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
It is very difficult if not impossible to establish the truth, | :15:52. | :15:58. | |
sufficient to bring credible cases for prosecution over these matters | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
which happened, in this case, over 40 years ago and in others even more | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
difficult to establish the evidence. I don't know what will happen in | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
this particular instance, I don't know what the detail is concerning | :16:14. | :16:22. | |
Gerry Adams. But what I do know is Northern Ireland needs to find a | :16:23. | :16:27. | |
different way, not of ignoring the victims' sense of grievance and | :16:28. | :16:30. | |
injustice, of course not. But a different way of addressing it. But | :16:31. | :16:39. | |
just to be quite clear, you said pre pre-1998, you believe an end to all | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
prosecution, including the McConville prosecution. You either | :16:44. | :16:46. | |
believe it or you don't, it is a very important thing to say? Simply | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
saying in the absence of an alternative process, which would | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
have to be judicially underpinned in the way that for example the | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
Northern Ireland Attorney-General John larrikin has suggested, in the | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
way that Richard Haas who looked at all of this, the respected American | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
specialist brought in to look at the past, in way that Lord Eames, the | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
former Archbishop of Ireland, and Dennis Bradley said in their report | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
in January 2009, you have to find different way of addressing these | :17:21. | :17:24. | |
questions. And you have got to can I just, you're interrupting me the | :17:25. | :17:30. | |
whole time. You a giving eloquent and long answers. That must apply to | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
British soldiers as well as to paramilitaries who might be accused | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
of these things. Peter Hain appears to be saying if there is no prospect | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
of a clear case of prosecutioner then it needs to go away in the | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
absence of anything that would bring clarity? Victims are not niave, | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
victims are not unthinking, victims know that with the passage of time | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
it will be more and more difficult to bring evidence to secure | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
prosecutions. But wherever there is a prospect of justice, we must | :18:00. | :18:06. | |
deliver that to them. We can't deny victims access to justice, or even | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
the prospect of justice. You are speaking to victims on all sides of | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
the divide, and I do mean all sides of the divide? Absolutely. Everybody | :18:16. | :18:21. | |
is of the same view, without any Truth and Reconciliation Commission | :18:22. | :18:24. | |
there is a lot of unfinished business? There is a huge amount of | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
unfinished business in Northern Ireland. Helen was talking about she | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
would be in the same mind whether the IRA, the UVF, the RUC, whoever | :18:33. | :18:42. | |
is guilty of perpetrating dreadful crimes against victims mu be brought | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
to justice, where we can draw the evidence. Do you disagree with Peter | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
Hain? Wherever there is a prospect of Jews justice, we must delivered | :18:52. | :18:59. | |
deliver. That In Northern Ireland the past collides with the present, | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
we have so many example, we heard today about the bar bombing, | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
yesterday we heard about the families in the Lemont Hotel. These | :19:08. | :19:14. | |
things continue to infect the present and the future in Northern | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
Ireland if they are not dealt with. In essence, are you saying that | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
there isn't really be a true and deep lasting peace in Northern | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
Ireland until all these issues are resolved? There can be no | :19:27. | :19:33. | |
sustainable peace in Northern Ireland until every victim has peace | :19:34. | :19:38. | |
of mind. Should there have been a truth and reconciliation process as | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
in South Africa? That is far too simplistic a model. To say you can | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
adopt one model to another place. Do you agree, the South African model | :19:50. | :19:51. | |
wouldn't have worked in Northern Ireland? Probably not. Part of it | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
could do, if those responsible for atrocities, or terrible offences, | :19:57. | :20:04. | |
came forward and cop fessed in a special judicial context to those in | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
return for immunity. You could probably have part of that, but not | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
entirely. I don't disagree with anything Katherine said in the sense | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
that victims deserve justice and deserve some accounting for what has | :20:18. | :20:22. | |
gone on. The truth is, as she knows, and we all know, that isn't going to | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
happen for far too many victims. Therefore how do we find a different | :20:28. | :20:33. | |
way of addressing all of this? My point is at some stage Northern | :20:34. | :20:36. | |
Ireland has to look to the future, rather than to the past. The past | :20:37. | :20:42. | |
will not be capable of being closed for far too many victims which | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
pursuing the same prosecution route because you won't be able to sustain | :20:48. | :20:50. | |
the prosecutions. Therefore you need to find a different judicially | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
underpinned protest that isn't an amnesty or get out of jail card or | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
any allegations that are spraying about, but is a difficult way of | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
approaching it. Suggestions have been made for that. I think that is | :21:05. | :21:07. | |
part of Northern Ireland moving forward and not turning its back on | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
victims, but actually addressing the whole agenda in a different way, | :21:13. | :21:17. | |
rather than being haunted, trapped and ultimately condemned by the | :21:18. | :21:20. | |
past. It is very difficult to move forward if you have lost your legs | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
in a bomb. It is very difficult to move forward if there is an empty | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
space in the bed where your husband used to be. These things are very | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
difficult for victims to think about. It is I am too for a | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
comprehensive, systematic -- it is about time for a comprehensive | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
systematic list in Northern Ireland. Why has that not been deliverable? | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
That is a very complicated question for me to answer. We need to ask our | :21:49. | :21:53. | |
politicians why that is not delivered. As Peter Hain says there | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
have been many adepartments to produce a framework on delivering | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
this. In the meantime victims wait and wait and wait. They wait for | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
truth and justice they wait for acknowledgement and they get | :22:07. | :22:17. | |
nothing. When Alexander Flemming discovered pencilian, who would have | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
thought 100 years later antibiotics have license almost useless. The | :22:23. | :22:25. | |
World Health Organisation has said the problem is they are so widely | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
prescribed the bacteria have started fighting back. A senior adviser from | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
the WHO saying a child falling off their bike and developing an | :22:36. | :22:41. | |
infection will be at huge risk in the USA. We asked this doctor to | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
explain what has gone wrong. We like to think of this as the cutting-edge | :22:47. | :22:53. | |
of modern healthcare, but the real fight what has done more to fight | :22:54. | :23:01. | |
for survival in the past century is the war against microorganism. The | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
drugs used to treat infection are a cornerstone of that achievement. But | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
the bugs are fighting back. This week the World Health Organisation | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
published a new report. One which examples, for the first time, the | :23:15. | :23:24. | |
problem of anti-microbial issues. It paints a grim picture. We are in | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
danger of losing the fight, of entering a post-antibiotic era, one | :23:28. | :23:34. | |
where common infections and minor injuries again become life threat | :23:35. | :23:46. | |
ening. In 1945 Alexander Flemming and colleagues received the Nobel | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
Prize for developing pencilian. Less well known is the Nobel Prize | :23:51. | :23:56. | |
awarded in 1939 to this German, that prize, for the first commercially | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
available antibiotic of a different class and different mechanism of | :24:02. | :24:07. | |
attack as penicillin, was as important or more important than | :24:08. | :24:15. | |
Flemming's discovery it set the tone for how antibiotics would be formed | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
and marketed. They would fund on ward development and clinical trials | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
and establish sustainable economic models for the sale of these drugs. | :24:25. | :24:31. | |
Today this model is faltering. Antibiotics cost billions to develop | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
and because of the resistance, new drugs rapidly become obsolete. This | :24:38. | :24:44. | |
combined with the rapid evolution of antibiotic resistant bugs is | :24:45. | :24:51. | |
becoming very real. I have seen several supposedly last line of | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
defence drugs come and go. Becoming nearly obsolete. The World Health | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
Organisation talk in near apocalyptic terms about this | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
problem. About achievements in modern medicine being threatened by | :25:06. | :25:13. | |
this anti-microbial era. It is scary to think what it might look like, a | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
world in which less than 100 years after the discovery of pencilian, we | :25:20. | :25:25. | |
became once again merely defenceless in the wake of common infections. | :25:26. | :25:31. | |
I'm joined now by Dame Sally Davies, the Chief Medical Officer, who was | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
today made a Fellow of the Royal Society, and the director of the | :25:36. | :25:41. | |
Wellcome Trust. How worried should we be about this? I'm very worried | :25:42. | :25:48. | |
on a global scale, we have antibiotic resistance in this | :25:49. | :25:54. | |
country, it is natural and we do abuse antibiotics. In other | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
countries it is getting worse and worse and that will travel here. In | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
the past we have had resistance we have had new antibiotics, but no new | :26:03. | :26:12. | |
classes since 1987. Why are they not being researched and developed? It | :26:13. | :26:16. | |
is a very difficult field, the bacteria of the viruses, the | :26:17. | :26:19. | |
parasites, are changing all the time, new antibiotics are needed all | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
the time. And secondly because there is very little incentive, there is | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
no pull to attract people to go into that area whether academics or an | :26:30. | :26:36. | |
industry. We have to change that model. Because big farmer wants to | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
do cancer and statistic tips and we have to take this lifelong. In | :26:41. | :26:46. | |
parts. It is cynical in way? You have to understand the drivers of | :26:47. | :26:50. | |
that industry and we need to change the model by which we often, we need | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
to have sticks and use them properly. Then we have to have | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
incentives for industry to come into this space and develop them with | :27:01. | :27:06. | |
pre-purchase agreement, Governments promising to buy them. Patents and | :27:07. | :27:12. | |
incentives. One of the things if they make a good drug, I as Chief | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
Medical Officer will look it up and say only occasional use to save | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
lives rather than let them use lots of it. There is the tension of the | :27:22. | :27:26. | |
need to sell a lot and the public health need. Who is the arbator in | :27:27. | :27:37. | |
all of -- arbitoir in all of this? We need to work with the Government | :27:38. | :27:42. | |
and farmer so they develop and produce these goods and we buy and | :27:43. | :27:45. | |
protect them. What the WHO was saying about the idea that a scratch | :27:46. | :27:51. | |
can kill is incredible scary for people. Especially people with | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
children who know if an infection sets in you get antibiotic. You gave | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
a tutorial for David Cameron last month. As basic as that? We needed | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
to understand, not coming from a science background. What bacteria | :28:06. | :28:13. | |
are, how antibiotics work, and what they are made from, and how natural | :28:14. | :28:24. | |
selection happens. This antibiotic resistance is developing. Do you | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
think you pushed at an open-door for more funding and pressure on farmers | :28:30. | :28:33. | |
by Government? We have a Government that recognises the emergency we are | :28:34. | :28:36. | |
facing. If we don't do something now, in ten years time, 20 years | :28:37. | :28:42. | |
time we don't have a new drug. It is not just one drug. We need a steady | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
selection of drugs. We are now working across the stop of | :28:48. | :28:53. | |
Government. In a debate which is how do you develop a global model that | :28:54. | :28:56. | |
will deliver that. Hasn't your funding been cut rather than | :28:57. | :29:01. | |
increased? No, science funding has been kept stable. But long enough? | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
Scientists can always spend more. You have been made a fellow of the | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
Royal Society, do you need more money. It strikes me if you take | :29:11. | :29:17. | |
something else that had a global impact it was a search for HIV drugs | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
and AIDS drugs. That was seen as something that was huge and needed | :29:22. | :29:24. | |
to be moved on fast. We are not getting that just now are we? We | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
have to make a priorty of this. It is a very, very good example, I was | :29:29. | :29:34. | |
a sunnor doctor in -- junior doctor in London at the start of the AIDS | :29:35. | :29:41. | |
academic. If anything underlines it is seeing young people dying in | :29:42. | :29:47. | |
hospitals. That has stayed with me all my life, it is untreatable and | :29:48. | :29:52. | |
devastating to community. The HIV community really pushed Governments | :29:53. | :29:58. | |
and they responded, the UK Government, the British Government | :29:59. | :30:03. | |
responded and we needed the European Union to come on board. We don't | :30:04. | :30:09. | |
have it. With the AIDS pandemic, it was the early 1980s, the whole idea | :30:10. | :30:15. | |
that we are facing Armageddon. You don't feel that sense of urgency | :30:16. | :30:24. | |
with the antibiotics. Do you have to scare them? HIV is a good example we | :30:25. | :30:31. | |
talk that we have turned the infection into like diabetes. It is | :30:32. | :30:35. | |
not that because the virus will change, and the thought of HIV drug | :30:36. | :30:41. | |
resistance coming is truly frightening. It goes beyond that, | :30:42. | :30:52. | |
you wouldn't be able to do chemotherapy or cancer patients | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
because they need antibiotics when they are doing therapy. Diabetics | :30:57. | :31:06. | |
would suffer at the plea, the in-- This is about the whole of medicine, | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
cancer, diabetes, it is across the board. You are a scientist in a way, | :31:11. | :31:15. | |
but can you put to the nearest decade, are you talking about things | :31:16. | :31:21. | |
like the major amount of antibiotics being fairly useless in a decade. | :31:22. | :31:31. | |
Already we have resistance in this country for gonorrhoea. When did it | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
come out? We watched it appear a year or two ago, and it is steadily | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
rising. That shows you how fast it can happen. What is next if that was | :31:41. | :31:46. | |
for gonorrhoea? We have problems, as you know, with TB. And as you | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
remember the HIV, I remember sitting by the bedside of men as they died | :31:52. | :31:59. | |
of TB, we have multiand extreme drug resistance coming in from abroad. | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
Part of the problem is in the west, I have worked in Vietnam for the | :32:05. | :32:10. | |
last 18 years, we have pushed it down the public agenda. All of that | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
progress is at risk if we don't sort this out? Because we are too casual. | :32:15. | :32:22. | |
Because we have been complacent. An Englishman's home is his castle | :32:23. | :32:26. | |
they say, the way the housing market is going that man or women will be | :32:27. | :32:29. | |
well into their 40s before they get the keys to the most modest of | :32:30. | :32:35. | |
homes. House prices are rising five-times as fast as earnings. No | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
wonder Ed Miliband sees valuable votes in generation Rent! If you | :32:40. | :32:49. | |
thought we were always a nation of homeowners you would be wrong. | :32:50. | :32:54. | |
Middle-class families rented with no shame. The dream of homeownership | :32:55. | :33:04. | |
dates back not 100 years but #? Homeownership was supposed to be the | :33:05. | :33:07. | |
future, but after building far too few homes and prices rising faster | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
than incomes, it is looking like the past. Every time prices rise it | :33:13. | :33:20. | |
makes poverty worse. Those who have less property have to spend more | :33:21. | :33:23. | |
buying the same good. It is only those with more property than they | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
need who are able to bank their gains and sell their houses. House | :33:29. | :33:35. | |
price rises are a redistribution from bottom to top, young to old, | :33:36. | :33:41. | |
poor to rich. We have seen the issue of many Governments not building | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
more homes, that is a fundamental issue. The report shows if we don't | :33:47. | :33:51. | |
tackle this problem now, within a generation the house prices will | :33:52. | :33:58. | |
have quads re quadrupled into ?900,000, and we could see lots of | :33:59. | :34:02. | |
children under 30 living at home. That is why we have to act now. | :34:03. | :34:09. | |
Quadruple, I can hear your lack of shock! In 1961 it was less than six | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
grand now it is 250,000. While we are supposed to hate shop | :34:14. | :34:30. | |
price inflation, politicians think house price inflation will get them | :34:31. | :34:34. | |
re-elected. Because homeowners will feel better off. If most people feel | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
better off most people shouldn't. Suppose you own one of these flats | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
and it is worth ?100,000, but the cream home is the house -- dream | :34:44. | :34:50. | |
home is the house across the road worth ?200,000, then house prices go | :34:51. | :34:56. | |
up, think about the price of the place you want to buy, it has gone | :34:57. | :35:04. | |
up not by ?100,000, but ?200,000. It has put your dream home further out | :35:05. | :35:08. | |
of reach. In 1918 long before we became | :35:09. | :35:14. | |
obsessed with the money made on property, three-quarters of people | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
rented in Germany. Once they have rented a place they like they stay | :35:20. | :35:25. | |
there. There is much less turnover in the German residential market. | :35:26. | :35:31. | |
The Germans are fond of theirs, they just don't see a point in buying the | :35:32. | :35:38. | |
place. Richard Kay rents this three-bed flat in Hackney with three | :35:39. | :35:43. | |
others. He won't be there long. Two months in he had the gall to | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
complain about the washing machine. The landlord said it is not my | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
problem, your problem. Either you pay for it or it just sits there. We | :35:53. | :36:00. | |
kicked up a fuss about this and received a long-winded e-mail in | :36:01. | :36:07. | |
which our landlord issued notice two weeks in. Ed Miliband offered to | :36:08. | :36:14. | |
protect tenants from eviction for three years, cap price rents and | :36:15. | :36:20. | |
stopping letting agencies charging fees. The opposition leader's | :36:21. | :36:32. | |
initiative risks the wrath of landlords. Especially those who want | :36:33. | :36:35. | |
to sell their property in months not years. The thing that has spooked my | :36:36. | :36:42. | |
members and potential investors in the private sector in this country. | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
Is the words "predictable rents", which everybody sees rent control, | :36:48. | :36:53. | |
that is the thing that investors are frightened to death of. For young | :36:54. | :37:00. | |
people without a parent to help them, the dream of owning a home | :37:01. | :37:12. | |
drifts into the past. Ed Miliband may annoy landlords but gain the | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
acceptance. The England team has a problem, the | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
penalty shootout, it looms large even when the squad is dreaming. In | :37:22. | :37:26. | |
order to banish the fears before the World Cup they are being urged to | :37:27. | :37:33. | |
cage their inner different. That theory is from the man who helps | :37:34. | :37:43. | |
many athletes to get gold. Now he's heading to the World Cup. They close | :37:44. | :37:52. | |
in on their rivals. All need to be on maximum alert. Boy has he | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
produced some snooker. Team work has brought this group of chimps great | :37:59. | :38:09. | |
success. Right now the secret to sporting success involves harnessing | :38:10. | :38:16. | |
your inner chimp. From cycling to snooker and football, the theory | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
goes that inside all our brains a human and chimp vie for control. If | :38:22. | :38:27. | |
the emotional chimp takes over it can be very destructive. Ultimately | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
the chimp is in you, and five-times stronger than a human, so you never | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
get rid of it. My inner chimp, I was afraid. If you clear your head you | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
will be a more effective sports person.m -- person. Liverpool were | :38:42. | :38:50. | |
playing with clear heads until they lost to Chelsea. They have embraced | :38:51. | :38:58. | |
the inner chimp theory quickly. Another inner chimp person is Ronnie | :38:59. | :39:04. | |
O'Sullivan. He overcame his demons at the world snooker match in | :39:05. | :39:11. | |
Sheffield, only after a pep talk by the psychiatrist behind the theory. | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
He has transformed the careers of many sportsmen. I had the talent but | :39:16. | :39:22. | |
I wasn't able to bring it together. Steve has helped me clear that mind, | :39:23. | :39:26. | |
and able to just go and play and focus. After years treating people | :39:27. | :39:35. | |
with personality disorders at a high-security hospital, he helps | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
sports people to tone down the voices inside their head, the chimp | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
ideology. He usually lets his work speak for itself, but he said about | :39:45. | :39:50. | |
this theory. Split your brain into two teams, you have a human team, | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
rational et cetera, then the interfering team that can be | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
emotional, this is the chimp, it acts like a chimp. When I brought | :40:00. | :40:05. | |
the analogy out they said when they get emotional they can see | :40:06. | :40:08. | |
themselves acting like a chimp. The chimp is everywhere, not just | :40:09. | :40:14. | |
harnessed at Liverpool and Shell Sheffield, he is now also employed | :40:15. | :40:22. | |
by England's World Cup squad. Success is untested. Proven though, | :40:23. | :40:28. | |
Victoria Pendleton, who harnessed her chimp, along with Chris hoi, and | :40:29. | :40:35. | |
Bradley wig -- Chris Hoy and Bradley Wiggins. He worked on the mental | :40:36. | :40:43. | |
focus of the team for more than a decade, and it paid off with a haul | :40:44. | :40:48. | |
of medals Tebay engining and London Olympics. His philosophy is a key | :40:49. | :40:55. | |
element of the way things work here. Everybody's chimp is different, some | :40:56. | :40:59. | |
is nervous, getting up and looking at the opposition, maybe the | :41:00. | :41:02. | |
conditions aren't perfect, it might be saying I can't do that. Someone | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
else's chimp might be overconfident. So making mistakes and thinking they | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
can do something special on the day. The most important thing is | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
understanding your chimp and the characteristics, and managing it. My | :41:18. | :41:20. | |
inner chimp is telling me I shouldn't be doing this, fortunately | :41:21. | :41:26. | |
so the human, rational part of my brain. This is a world class | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
velodrome, I haven't got the right equipment and in work clothes. What | :41:32. | :41:38. | |
is said, is when human and chimp agree there is no problem, what | :41:39. | :41:41. | |
happens is when the emotional chimp takes over. Liverpool Football | :41:42. | :41:49. | |
Club's troubles have come from not winning the league in 24 years and | :41:50. | :41:56. | |
the loss of spirits on. That after spending only ?24 million, this | :41:57. | :41:59. | |
season they are in contention, and hailed Peter as a genius. British | :42:00. | :42:05. | |
football has been slow to watch on to embedding psychiatry into the | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
cessing room. Perhaps it lies with this faith healer, Eileen Drury. | :42:10. | :42:19. | |
Brought in to help the likes of Ian Wright before the World Cup. She | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
sits behind me and you feel like you're in a Barber's chair when he | :42:25. | :42:31. | |
said it. What did he say? Short back and sides please. It spent everybody | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
was cynical, any manager who tried to do something similar would have | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
been laughed at. So I think we should be much further along the | :42:40. | :42:45. | |
line now than we are with sports psychiatry. It has taken probably if | :42:46. | :42:54. | |
Liverpool win the title and for the second time Brendan Rodgers were to | :42:55. | :43:04. | |
say I owe a debt of gratitude for him, lots of other people will think | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
we haven't have an embedded psychiatrist. Nutrition was the big | :43:10. | :43:15. | |
evolution, no more pie and chimp before the match but food for fuel | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
and fitness. The players were at their peak physically but mentally | :43:20. | :43:25. | |
it is another story. At World Cup level, penalty after penalty missed | :43:26. | :43:31. | |
as self-doubt crept in. You know the whole world is watching and the | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
whole country is watching, a thorn in England side as well. Talking to | :43:37. | :43:44. | |
them about is the walk. Walking to the penalty line and put the ball | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
down that is where you lose the game. That is when the voice is | :43:49. | :43:55. | |
doing its worst. Will this team be different with Steve Peters on | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
board, clearly his biggest sporting challenge to date. If they do | :44:01. | :44:08. | |
harness their inner chimps and win. Perhaps we will all be reaching for | :44:09. | :44:15. | |
the Peters self-help model to discover the chimp within. | :44:16. | :44:17. | |
Now the newspapers. There is anything like a politician | :44:18. | :45:28. | |
liking more than a good egging. Today it is Nigel Farage's turn to | :45:29. | :45:32. | |
duck for cover. He was in good company, here are some of the best | :45:33. | :45:34. | |
examples. Hello, brighter weather on the way | :45:35. | :46:20. | |
for tomorrow, fewer showers as well, starting off with sunshine in | :46:21. | :46:24. | |
Scotland, and north-east England, brighter skies breaking out | :46:25. | :46:27. | |
elsewhere, during the day, the odd shower popping up for East Anglia | :46:28. | :46:31. | |
and south-east England, let's take a look at things at 4.00, hazy | :46:32. | :46:36. | |
sunshine in Northern Ireland, a lot of dry and bright weather across | :46:37. | :46:38. |