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Tonight - the rival groups campaigning for Britain to leave | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
We'll ask the chair of Labour Leave why they want to leave Vote Leave. | :00:07. | :00:14. | |
You're making a terrible snake. My guess, nobody wants this, we're | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
supposed to be professionals. This is a victory that | :00:19. | :00:24. | |
cannot be denied. Julian Assange thinks he's been | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
vindicated by today's UN opinion. We'll ask one of its authors what | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
arbitrary detention really means. Also tonight - the rise | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
and rise of Marco Rubio. Tea Party candidate, | :00:39. | :00:40. | |
conservative, or the man who could unite the Republican | :00:41. | :00:47. | |
party of America? We're on the trail in | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
Miami, his home town. And in tonight's Artsnight - | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
a look at the power of masks. I'm the conduit | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
for Nina's true self. It would take an optimist | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
of Pollyannaish proportions to describe the reception here this | :01:02. | :01:20. | |
week for David Cameron's EU renegotiation as anything | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
better than mixed. The Danish Prime Minister likes it, | :01:24. | :01:25. | |
though, and today pledged his full support for the so-called | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
brake on benefits his UK There has, however, been arguably | :01:30. | :01:31. | |
even better news for Mr Cameron today from the most unlikely | :01:32. | :01:38. | |
of sources: the competing and increasingly conflicting | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
campaigns to leave the European Newsnight's Chris Cook has been | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
trying to make sense of a day that's seen more comings and goings | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
than a Eurostar terminal. You don't need proof when you have | :01:51. | :02:09. | |
instinct. It's at the final scene from Reservoir dogs, that is what | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
lead member for one of the groups campaigning to leave the EU said | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
tonight. The Eurosceptics have had a good week, but they are locked in | :02:19. | :02:24. | |
office politics. Why? No need for this. | :02:25. | :02:42. | |
by Lord Lawson, the former Tory Chancellor. | :02:43. | :02:44. | |
Then, there is Leave.EU, a separate campaign backed | :02:45. | :02:46. | |
by Aaron Banks, a prominent Ukip donor. | :02:47. | :02:48. | |
He also supports Grassroots Out, a separate campaigning organisation | :02:49. | :02:50. | |
which has support from Tory MPs and one Labour MP. | :02:51. | :02:52. | |
And they are fighting between them for something big. | :02:53. | :02:54. | |
The Electoral Commission double donate one campaign group as the | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
official voice of leaving and it gets higher spending limit and the | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
right to a television broadcast and probably funded mailshot, so to get | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
picked, each campaign is trying to show off that their support base is | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
a broader representation of the Eurosceptic movement than the | :03:10. | :03:10. | |
others. So it matters that Labour Leave, | :03:11. | :03:12. | |
which is designed to be a vessel to build support for Brexit from | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
among members of the Labour Party, seems to be drifting | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
from its affiliation to Vote Leave Vote Leave strikes a different tone | :03:20. | :03:34. | |
to the other campaigns, it talks about science and the cost of the | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
EU. The others, closer to Ukip, are stronger on immigration. So there | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
are differences of opinion between those campaign groups. | :03:46. | :03:47. | |
In an internal e-mail sent to Vote Leave staff early this week, | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
the chair of the organisation, John Mills, said... | :03:53. | :03:55. | |
The bottom line is that Labour Leave are fed up with the way | :03:56. | :03:58. | |
that they have been treated by Vote Leave and the intransigent | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
and insensitive, from their perspective, policies it proceed. | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
Their abrasive Campaign Director, Dominic Cummings, was criticised | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
Dominic, what on earth are you doing? | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
Generating more and more ill-feeling like this entirely unnecessarily. | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
I thought you had promised to stop doing this sort of thing. | :04:19. | :04:29. | |
The result is politics as scripted by Abbot and Castella. The chair of | :04:30. | :04:39. | |
Labour Leave says they should vote for Vote Leave but John Mills says | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
Labour Leave should stay as part of Vote Leave. The result is, if Labour | :04:44. | :04:50. | |
Leave stays affiliated to Vote Leave, the leaders of Labour Leave | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
will probably leave Labour Leave because they want Labour Leave to | :04:54. | :05:00. | |
leave Vote Leave. Anyway, the bad news perhaps for these grassroots | :05:01. | :05:03. | |
activists meeting tonight is that Vote Leave are still the favourite | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
for designation but the big weakness is among Labour and Ukip Brexit fans | :05:08. | :05:14. | |
so if Kate Hoey has taken Vote Leave out of Vote Leave, that is an | :05:15. | :05:15. | |
important blow. Joining me now from Salford | :05:16. | :05:17. | |
is the Labour MP Kate Hoey. Are you still in Labour Leave or | :05:18. | :05:29. | |
Vote Leave or both or neither? It all sounds very amusing but it is a | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
very serious thing because I have been to a huge meeting tonight of | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
grassroots people from all over this area who just want to work together | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
to get out of the EU and Labour Leave has had difficulties within | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
Vote Leave, the staff were not happy about the way they were treated and | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
really it is more about the kind of campaigning, we want to get out | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
there and get on with it whereas a lot of time is spent clearly by Vote | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
Leave on wanting to get designation. Designation will come at some stage | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
but we have all got to work together, there is a lot of people | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
involved in campaigning against the EU long before the referendum was | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
announced and they are there to play their part and I think what the | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
messages, the message we have been getting in Labour Leave for the last | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
week or two from supporters across the country is everybody should be | :06:20. | :06:22. | |
getting together and also they were delighted that finally the voices | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
are coming out of Labour saying that we're not all into being part of the | :06:28. | :06:34. | |
EU. Yes, the one thing everyone can agree on is that you are keen to | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
leave the EU. That was not really what I was trying to establish, is | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
Labour Leave still part of Vote Leave? I'm still very much part of | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
Labour Leave, there was one of the founders. Is Labour Leave... Let me | :06:50. | :06:59. | |
finish, a number of MPs all involved with grassroots -- Grassroots Out, | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
this is a movement bringing people together across the country and we | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
saw that in Kettering last week and these people in the public, who | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
finally have the vote, not MPs or the elitists of this country, they | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
are the people who want us to have one campaign and work together and | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
by leaving out becoming independent and Labour Leave and those of us who | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
are active in that we'll be working with independently but with people | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
across the country in grassroots campaigns. John Mills has been a | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
wonderful supporter of getting out of the EU for many years and he may | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
well decide, because he has been involved with Vote Leave as a donor | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
and very business for Britain, he might decide to stay with Vote Leave | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
and that is fine, we have not fallen out, we just want to make sure that | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
we and our members... Understood, you're keen for everyone. I think I | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
understand. I would appreciate it is complicated. People really care | :07:59. | :08:05. | |
about designation on the doorsteps. I was going to ask you about that. | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
Asking everybody to put together and you are affiliated to the Grassroots | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
Out... We are not affiliated to any thing. Bankrolled by Aaron Banks, | :08:16. | :08:21. | |
who described develop the top of your previous organisation as being | :08:22. | :08:24. | |
two of the most unpleasant people he ever had the misfortune to meet. | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
Sorry, two of the nastiest individuals. That is not sound like | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
it is dedicated to pulling together. Vote Leave has the only Ukip MP on | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
the board so they actually have the Ukip MP on their board. Ukip is | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
going to play a very big part in whatever campaign gets designation. | :08:47. | :08:52. | |
Aaron Banks today said... Who bankrolls Grassroots Out. And | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
Leave.EU? You are wrong, there are five big donors supporting | :08:58. | :09:02. | |
Grassroots Out and we're getting even more and after today more | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
people will be prepared to support a campaign that is going to bring in | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
everybody that I would say that everybody has their views about | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
different people and I am not genuinely interested in | :09:16. | :09:17. | |
personalities, about who like Sue or who has done what, I am interested | :09:18. | :09:23. | |
in getting a mobilisation of people across the country and the people | :09:24. | :09:26. | |
who are best able to do that at the moment are grassroots people. Which | :09:27. | :09:35. | |
is Grassroots Out? Yes. I was speaking at the rally tonight. The | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
mist circling, does Labour Leave still exist? Yes, we are a minority | :09:41. | :09:46. | |
of MPs, were without doubt a minority of MPs but we have become | :09:47. | :09:53. | |
very active, strong MPs like Kelvin Hopkins, we have many people who | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
voted for Labour in the past and who would run away from Labour because | :10:00. | :10:02. | |
we never were prepared to take on the issue of the EU and support a | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
referendum who are now beginning to say, actually, if we have people in | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
the Labour Party who say that there is a difference and they want to | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
come out, they will look again at the Labour Party. I hope that the | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
leadership realises that if you want to really genuinely engage with all | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
of those people that we have lost over the years, we should be | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
allowing, as I know the Jeremy Corbyn has no objection to, people | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
like myself campaigning strongly to leave the EU, it has to be the | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
people of this country deciding that and they will. This is it, no more | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
shuffling around? I am not shuffling anywhere, I want to get around and | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
talk to people and persuade them. Glad to hear it. Many thanks indeed. | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
Jeremy Corbyn tonight faces calls to halt the allegedly widespread | :10:54. | :10:56. | |
practice of Muslim men preventing Muslim women from becoming | :10:57. | :10:58. | |
The accusation has been made by the Muslim Women's Network UK | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
and a letter sent by them to the Labour leader this evening | :11:04. | :11:13. | |
describes "systematic misogyny displayed by significant numbers | :11:14. | :11:15. | |
In this exclusive report, Newsnight's Katie Razzall reveals | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
accusations of sabotage, smear campaigns and slander borne, | :11:20. | :11:20. | |
it is claimed, of a cultural mindset imported from India, | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
No prizes for spotting who was missing in these pictures are mainly | :11:25. | :11:42. | |
Muslim Labour Party gatherings. In this recent tweet from a Birmingham | :11:43. | :11:43. | |
MP, he writes... If Muslim women are not in the | :11:44. | :11:53. | |
picture, is this a coincidence? Or is there something more troubling | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
going on? People were turning up at the family home to humiliate my mum | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
-- my mother. The cars they did not have my father 's consent, I had to | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
step down. Labour officials must be allowing this to happen, this is not | :12:07. | :12:14. | |
happening in a vacuum. In parts of the UK with large Muslim | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
populations, where voting Labour is traditionally a given, locals often | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
choose Muslim men to represent them that there is mounting evidence of | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
Muslim women being denied the chance to face the electorate. Their route | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
into politics is blocked by Labour men from their own community and the | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
women are fighting back. Newsletters in a letter that has just gone to | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
the Labour leader from Muslim -- from Muslim Women's Network UK, | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
demanding an enquiry into what it calls systematic misogyny in the | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
selection process. These men have a cultural mindset, they come from | :12:48. | :12:54. | |
places like India and Pakistan and Bangladesh and operate this rather | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
Male kinship system and they do not like women being empowered the cause | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
then we're going to then challenge the status quo, we're going to | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
challenge the misogyny, we're going to challenge the fact that our | :13:09. | :13:13. | |
rights are being denied in our own community. I very enjoyed being a | :13:14. | :13:20. | |
councillor, and meeting people. This woman is one of the dozen women use | :13:21. | :13:27. | |
that has spoken to with claims of sabotage as they try to become | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
Labour councillors. This activist who grew up in Birmingham told me | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
the local parties male Muslim members told me a woman would never | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
be elected sure. Other time I was aware of a smear campaign, they said | :13:40. | :13:45. | |
I was having an affair with one of the existing councillors, who was | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
still a councillor in the area. So I was quite upset about that and taken | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
back that people would say that without any evidence. People were | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
turning up at my family home and is trying to intimidate my mother. We | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
want to stop her daughter from pursuing becoming a councillor. Do | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
you know who they were? It would be members of the Labour Party. My | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
mother saw them. She said they were members of the Labour Party. Muslim | :14:13. | :14:19. | |
men. Newsnight has spoken to other Muslim women who claim to have been | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
blocked as councillors. One said that they spread the standard about | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
me being a shut, that is where they get here. Another search of a stool | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
that Islam and feminism are not compatible and another different | :14:34. | :14:36. | |
gay-rights says this is not Islamic. Many talk of being criticised for | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
being too westernised and behaving like a white woman. The Muslim -- | :14:41. | :14:46. | |
the Muslim Women's Network UK accuses the national party of being | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
complicit. Muslim women are telling us that we have been complaining of | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
this, but we do not get listened to and we have examples of where we | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
have tried to circumvent local councillors to sidestep them and | :15:01. | :15:06. | |
tried to go to more senior politicians and they say we do not | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
get listened to. Nobody comes back to us. But they are obviously quite | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
scared to come out with those e-mails because of the backlash they | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
might face. Hello. Do you live in the local ward? These kind of | :15:21. | :15:26. | |
allegations are very hard to prove. It is often one person's word | :15:27. | :15:33. | |
against another. This woman is an advocate for local woman is its in | :15:34. | :15:36. | |
her hometown of Peterborough. A Labour Party member for years, she | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
was the first choice to stand for a particular council seat in 2007. She | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
claims from her father refused to allow that, the local Labour branch | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
respected his wishes. I didn't think it has to do with religion, because | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
religion empowers women and it gives them their rights, it is a culture | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
because they didn't have my father 's consent and support and I had to | :15:59. | :16:01. | |
step down. I was pressured into that. How old were you? 31, married | :16:02. | :16:09. | |
with two children. We have spoken to senior Muslim men within Peterboro | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
Labour who say she decided to step down if own accord due to family and | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
not Labour Party pressure. She is now standing for the Conservatives, | :16:18. | :16:20. | |
cleaning that is the only way she can represent women in the area. All | :16:21. | :16:30. | |
political parties want more women and minority candidates into | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
politics and the Labour Party has a better record than others. It | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
introduced positive action including all women short lists to get more | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
women into local government. But this sitting councillor in Leicester | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
told me there are ways in some parts of the city with high Muslim | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
populations that her local party deliberately gets around the | :16:52. | :16:54. | |
national party's guidance to select women. They would say there will not | :16:55. | :17:00. | |
add a great candidates among the women. Was that true? No, they were | :17:01. | :17:09. | |
brilliant candidates among the women. By the Met them and had | :17:10. | :17:12. | |
discussions with them, they were brilliant. They were barred. By the | :17:13. | :17:23. | |
membership. Of course Muslim women are getting through. On Birmingham | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
Council, over 20 also Muslim councillors, three women. On the | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
face of it the party has made real progress. We've come on in leaps and | :17:34. | :17:40. | |
bounds in Birmingham 's this 2007, it's nowhere near perfect, our | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
chambers need to look like the communities they serve. How | :17:44. | :17:49. | |
difficult has it been to persuade the membership in those areas to | :17:50. | :17:52. | |
agree with you when it comes to women? I would not say we had 100% | :17:53. | :18:00. | |
agreement. But by and large the leadership have been very | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
supportive. But last year it did not seem that integration was going well | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
in Birmingham when this picture was treated by a Birmingham MEP showing | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
how man and woman were segregated. We found another post online for a | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
rally of the year before. On both occasions what is described as a | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
women's section was organised by one local councillor. It is the first | :18:25. | :18:27. | |
time she has spoken publicly about it. It was not forced segregation. | :18:28. | :18:33. | |
That would be inappropriate for anyone to do that. The post itself | :18:34. | :18:42. | |
said that women, it said something like a councillor Khan is inviting | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
women to attend. It said councillor Khan is organising a women's | :18:49. | :18:55. | |
section. The reason was to try to encourage women to attend and not | :18:56. | :18:58. | |
say that they would sit separately. If it was going to be segregated I | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
would not be sitting on the platform with man. There would not be women | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
speaking, being actively involved in doing speeches. You are saying that | :19:08. | :19:14. | |
on the post-it said that you were organising a women's section and | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
that did not mean that you were organising a section where women | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
could sit. It did not mean that we were organising a section for women | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
only to sit away from men. Even though that is what happened. That | :19:27. | :19:32. | |
is how the women chose to sit. Labour councillors who told me that | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
was the start of political engagement. Even with more women | :19:37. | :19:39. | |
councillors will their female residents get the representation | :19:40. | :19:40. | |
they deserve? The Labour Party has no record | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
of complaints on behalf of any | :19:45. | :19:46. | |
of the women in that film. The party told us its: "selection | :19:47. | :19:48. | |
procedures include strong positive action procedures such | :19:49. | :19:51. | |
as All-Women Shortlists and rules to ensure women are selected | :19:52. | :19:53. | |
in winnable council seats. We have the best record of any party | :19:54. | :19:55. | |
in selecting women and BAME candidates, and we will continue | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
to do all that we can to make sure candidates are representative | :20:02. | :20:04. | |
of the communities It was 'a victory of historic | :20:05. | :20:06. | |
importance' according to Julian Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond, | :20:07. | :20:13. | |
by contrast, described a UN working group's decision today | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
that the WikiLeaks founder is being arbitrarily detained | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
at the Ecuadorian Embasasy, where he claimed asylum in 2012, | :20:22. | :20:24. | |
as 'frankly ridiculous'. It's hard to see how | :20:25. | :20:33. | |
they could both be right, but is it also possible | :20:34. | :20:35. | |
that they might both be wrong? Setondji Adjovi is a member | :20:36. | :20:41. | |
of the five=person panel which delivered the decision | :20:42. | :20:43. | |
and joins us now from Philadelphia. There are two words here, we cannot | :20:44. | :20:52. | |
pick what the word arbitrarily means until we are clear on what detained | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
means. Julian Assange arrived at the Ecuadorian assembly of his own full | :20:59. | :21:01. | |
issue and could walk out at any time, how is he being detained? -- | :21:02. | :21:08. | |
of his own full issue. In the few of the working group, as it has been | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
explained in the opinion, there is a continuity between the time that he | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
was arrested in 2010 and spent ten days in detention and the time he | :21:18. | :21:25. | |
was on bail under house arrest. That continuity led to when he was in the | :21:26. | :21:29. | |
embassy and if he left there he would continue in the deprivation of | :21:30. | :21:33. | |
liberty. That is why we consider that his stay in the amnesty is | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
detention time. So the deprivation of liberty represented by what you | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
describe as house arrest is a fairly normal implementation of British | :21:45. | :21:47. | |
bail conditions. I use suggesting that everybody on bail in Britain | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
required to remain at a certain address and present themselves to a | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
police station is under house arrest? -- are you suggesting that? | :21:58. | :22:06. | |
In our view, in this case, yes. What is the difference between this case | :22:07. | :22:12. | |
and every other case on bail? We were not discussing every other | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
case, we were discussing the Assange case and we considered it was a | :22:18. | :22:23. | |
detention period, if you are under house arrest it is a time of | :22:24. | :22:29. | |
detention... How can you describe it as house arrest if it is bail | :22:30. | :22:37. | |
conditions? What you describe as house arrest was bail conditions. | :22:38. | :22:45. | |
Are you hearing me? Loud and clear. How is bail house arrest? That is | :22:46. | :22:52. | |
what we had in the facts presented to us. And that is what we | :22:53. | :22:58. | |
concluded. The reason why he would face arrest and a return to bail | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
conditions if he left the embassy was that Swedish prosecutors want to | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
talk to him about an allegation of rape but has been brought against | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
him. How does that play into your judgment, the fact that he would be | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
deprived of his liberty because the authorities want to talk to him | :23:16. | :23:17. | |
about the very real allegation of rape? How does that play in your | :23:18. | :23:29. | |
understanding, that they can only talk to him when the arrest him? In | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
five years of an investigation, why have they not been able to come to a | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
conclusion as to whether he should be tried or not? Because he will not | :23:39. | :23:46. | |
go to Sweden and when they tried to extradite him he sought asylum at | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
the Ecuadorian Embassy. Normally an action taken to avoid persecution, | :23:51. | :23:56. | |
not prosecution. What you might not want to understand here is the lack | :23:57. | :24:02. | |
of due diligence in the work of the prosecution. That is what the | :24:03. | :24:09. | |
working group is criticising. So it is a question of punctuality rather | :24:10. | :24:12. | |
than legal principle? They should have moved quicker? Yes, it's a | :24:13. | :24:20. | |
matter of timing. The working group has made it very clear in the | :24:21. | :24:26. | |
opinion we issue that five years of preliminary investigation, without | :24:27. | :24:29. | |
coming to a final conclusion, where he adjudged the individual or not, | :24:30. | :24:35. | |
to move to a trial is too long. How can they come to a final conclusion | :24:36. | :24:40. | |
if they cannot interview the only suspect? If the only way of | :24:41. | :24:48. | |
interviewing the only suspect is arresting him and taking him to your | :24:49. | :24:52. | |
country. Can he not be interviewed anywhere else, in your view? He has | :24:53. | :24:59. | |
offered to be interviewed here by Swedish authorities, yet when they | :25:00. | :25:02. | |
acquiesced, you changed his mind. Were you not aware of that? -- he | :25:03. | :25:09. | |
changed his mind. I'm not going to discuss those details because you | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
and I are not part of this process. The fact we had before us showed | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
that the Swedish prosecutor did not want to interview him in the | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
embassy. And even the Swedish judge criticised the Swedish prosecutor | :25:23. | :25:23. | |
for this. Thank you very much. It normally takes failed drugs tests | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
and multiple medal strippings for a person who came third | :25:30. | :25:31. | |
in a contest to end up being hailed This, though, seems to be | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
the outwardly remarkable achievement of Florida senator Marco Rubio | :25:36. | :25:38. | |
in his bid to become the Republican Beaten by both Ted Cruz | :25:39. | :25:41. | |
and Donald Trump in their first electoral test - the Iowa caucus - | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
the son of Cuban immigrants is the man many Republicans now | :25:47. | :25:49. | |
believe offers their best chance of getting back | :25:50. | :25:52. | |
into the White House. Emily is on the campaign trail | :25:53. | :25:55. | |
in Florida, a battleground so big that - as you'll remember | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
from the Gore/Bush battle in 2000 - it can ultimately | :25:59. | :26:01. | |
decide the Presidency. Miami, wrote the novelist Tom Wolfe, | :26:02. | :26:15. | |
is a melting pot in which none of the stone smiled, they rattle | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
around. But doesn't do it justice, they move with style, but it is true | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
that the groups that make at the city often remain true to their | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
constituent parts. None also perhaps than Cuban community. -- none more | :26:29. | :26:37. | |
so. He's leading a salsa class in the neighbourhood called Little | :26:38. | :26:43. | |
Havana. I have Cuban parents and I was born in Miami, first generation | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
immigrant. Budget his story is when you will hear all over the city and | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
it is the story of the senator that many Republicans now see as their | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
best chance of the presidency. I want to thank the people who voted | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
for me. You started in local politics, his rise to power swift, | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
he's still the youngest candidate in the race. He has now overtaken the | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
man who once captained him, another son of Florida and presidential | :27:12. | :27:14. | |
candidate, Jeb Bush, brother of the more famous George. My campaign will | :27:15. | :27:20. | |
be about the future of America, not about attacking anyone else on the | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
stage. But the person who shaped his career more than anyone, this first | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
medal, is Rebecca, now a commissioner in Dade County. He came | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
to my door one September, introduced himself and said, are you the Maher, | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
I would like to run for Commissioner and they said I had to come and see | :27:41. | :27:44. | |
you. When he began responding to me, the reasons why he wanted to run, I | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
stopped everything I was doing. And I thought, let's go in, let's drink | :27:50. | :27:55. | |
Coffey and let's talk. She remains close friends with his mother and | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
says his family were his core inspiration and his drive. | :28:00. | :28:06. | |
For a well Michael Rubio's father worked here on the beaches of Miami, | :28:07. | :28:18. | |
selling my non-deckchairs but much of his working life was spent in big | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
hotels where he worked as a bartender. Michael Rubio used to | :28:25. | :28:27. | |
joke that his father stood at the back of those large ballroom is so | :28:28. | :28:30. | |
that his son would eventually stand at the front. His father died some | :28:31. | :28:40. | |
years ago yet much of his family still live in West Miami, where he | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
grew up. His nephew works on his campaign. That sense of family | :28:46. | :28:49. | |
present in his speeches and also their immigrant past even if it was | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
not quite as it seemed. His family came here from Cuba in the 1950s but | :28:54. | :28:59. | |
after that the details get hazy. He has long maintained they fled | :29:00. | :29:04. | |
commoners and Vidal Castro in 1959 until it emerged that they had | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
arrived here several years earlier before Castro was in power. In other | :29:09. | :29:14. | |
words they fled poverty under capitalism, economic migrants, not | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
political ones. That becomes a more complicated story. Mariella, who | :29:19. | :29:23. | |
left Cuba when she was seven, has known Marco for much of his life and | :29:24. | :29:27. | |
grew up in that same neighbourhood. I would see him in the grocery store | :29:28. | :29:32. | |
buying diapers and I would say, I did not know politicians went to the | :29:33. | :29:37. | |
store! Gibbons, she says are politically ambitious because they | :29:38. | :29:39. | |
have seen what happens when thing goes wrong. Kim Jong-un Cubans. We | :29:40. | :29:49. | |
came here with nothing. Nobody gave us anything. But we succeeded and it | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
is incredible that so many Cubans in America are so successful. They need | :29:54. | :29:59. | |
to succeed and do something for the country because we already lost one, | :30:00. | :30:02. | |
we don't want to lose another. Lunch Mike Ray Anthony was taught by Marco | :30:03. | :30:08. | |
Rubio at Florida University until last spring. How does it feel when | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
your professor turns up and says is going to run for president. Seeing | :30:14. | :30:20. | |
this is incredible, seeing somebody like us aspiring to the highest | :30:21. | :30:23. | |
office in the land, it's only in America. Outside the salsa club on a | :30:24. | :30:30. | |
sultry night they slapped Domino's and beckoned us over. They seem less | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
convinced that he really is one of them. He wants to cut relations with | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
Cuba, says this man. It almost seems he is against Cubans. His friend at | :30:40. | :30:47. | |
the other end agrees, she's not some pathetic to us at all, he is not | :30:48. | :30:52. | |
really Cuban. Of course Miami is more than Little Habana and Florida | :30:53. | :30:58. | |
is much more than Miami, the state divides into two demographics, the | :30:59. | :31:03. | |
Latina, female, voters, and the older conservative white vote in | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
other areas. Yet the hope for Republicans is that Marco Rubio | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
could unite the two. And it is impossible to overstate the | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
importance of Florida in a presidential election. It is of | :31:17. | :31:22. | |
course fiercely contested, 29 electoral college votes, the points | :31:23. | :31:25. | |
system by which the Americans choose a president, it is the largest | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
battle ground state. Many will remember the fight between George | :31:30. | :31:34. | |
Bush and Al Gore and the hanging chads in 2000. Yet few will have | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
realised that after several days George Bush won by it a hairs | :31:39. | :31:46. | |
breadth. Hair's-breadth doesn't even cover it. Clearly a tough state to | :31:47. | :31:52. | |
crack. Make no mistake, Marco Rubio will not be a panacea for many of | :31:53. | :31:58. | |
the Democrats who find him hawkish on foreign affairs and deeply | :31:59. | :32:01. | |
conservative on foreign issues. His pitch sounds identical to that of | :32:02. | :32:06. | |
Ted Cruz yet he sells itself as one that the Democrats fear, the only | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
one who could beat Clinton. Nine months to go, a presidential | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
pregnancy had, and there are plenty of us still trying to figure out its | :32:16. | :32:21. | |
rhythm, another son of Miami, rapper, puts it better than I could. | :32:22. | :32:26. | |
To still be free from Pitiful, he may not be Mr Wright but he is Mr | :32:27. | :32:27. | |
right now. Comedian Nina Conti looks | :32:28. | :32:30. | |
at the power of masks which includes a look at how | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
David Bowie used masks Also, we should say this programme | :32:35. | :32:37. | |
does contain strong language. | :32:38. | :32:47. |