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They argued about the common market after the 1975 referendum. | :00:07. | :00:08. | |
Are you suggesting that from now on, you and others who feel | :00:09. | :00:11. | |
like you should continue a Parliamentary struggle to get | :00:12. | :00:14. | |
And the arguments continue after the June vote as well. | :00:15. | :00:23. | |
Experts and economics have continued to divide opinion | :00:24. | :00:24. | |
A former Chancellor and one of his former advisors | :00:25. | :00:32. | |
are on different sides of the debate. | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
As the scandal over child sex abuse within football escalates, | :00:38. | :00:39. | |
we ask whether football's governing body did enough to | :00:40. | :00:42. | |
Also tonight, Erdogan overcame the coup in Turkey months ago. | :00:43. | :00:48. | |
But his purge of public servants continues. | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
We hear from one man caught up in it. | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
So they accused you of being a Gulenist simply on the strength | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
of finding one book by him in your university office? | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
Yes, I mean, that's the only evidence they can talk of. | :01:04. | :01:09. | |
And tomorrow is the 40th birthday of this... | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
# We're so pretty, Oh, so pretty | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
Has punk gone all establishment on us? | :01:16. | :01:29. | |
One prediction made before June was that our Brexit referendum | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
It's one of the predictions that has come true. | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
Sir John Major and Tony Blair have both weighed into the debate, | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
suggesting that there may sometime be a second referendum. | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
Brexiteers, meanwhile, have rejoiced at good economic news | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
that they say defies the doom-laden predictions of experts. | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
Business investment grew in the months after the referendum. | :01:52. | :01:56. | |
The experts had expected it to shrink as companies | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
And on this Black Friday, it is right to point out that | :02:00. | :02:05. | |
consumer spending has been holding up, too. | :02:06. | :02:07. | |
At the end of this Autumn Statement week, is it game over? | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
Time for re-moaners to get back in their box? | :02:11. | :02:21. | |
List of the claims about Brexit, and there were many, concerned the | :02:22. | :02:28. | |
long-term effects. -- most of it. Sorry to say we know nothing more | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
about the long-term effects now than we did back then. But some of the | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
claims did concern the short term. Remember these two? They made some | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
predictions based on expert work at the Treasury. This is what happens | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
if Britain leaves. The economy shrinks, the value of the powder | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
falls, inflation rises, unemployment rises, real wages are hit, as are | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
house prices, and as a result, government borrowing goes up... | :02:56. | :03:03. | |
Let's hear those again. This is what happens if Britain leaves. The | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
economy shrinks. This one really has failed to materialise so far. It | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
does look like being a slowdown next year but far from a recession. This | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
was the most important claim and I think we can declare it on course to | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
be false. But there was another important claim. The value of | :03:20. | :03:28. | |
sterling falls. It is currently down 11% but has been as low as 16. I | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
think we can now declare that one true. Inflation rises... Thanks to | :03:33. | :03:38. | |
the falling sterling, that does look likely... To- to now. House prices | :03:39. | :03:54. | |
are hit... House prices have not shown any sign of falling. Is that | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
where it ends? And as a result, government borrowing goes up. That | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
one is kind of true relative to Budget predictions, but as yet, | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
nothing to do with Brexit. Ignore this one and you have a draw. Oxford | :04:09. | :04:16. | |
Street is buzzing on a Black Friday evening. And that is a Leave win. | :04:17. | :04:27. | |
But it would be silly to deride the forecasters. They know better than | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
anyone because what they do is have an intelligent stab at what we know | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
about the future. They cannot give a precise and definitive guide as to | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
what will happen. The good news we had on business investment today... | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
Don't read too much into one quarter's data. | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
Here's the graph of business investment growth over the last few | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
years. In such an erratic series, would you read much into the little | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
bar on the far right-hand side? For some, that figure, published today, | :04:57. | :05:03. | |
is Brexit is working. You might as well stand on the | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
seashore trying to work out whether the tide is coming or going. | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
Excitedly commenting on each wave as it comes in! No, stop overthinking | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
it, get a cup of tea. We will know in time. | :05:18. | :05:19. | |
Let's talk now to the former Chancellor of | :05:20. | :05:21. | |
And in Cardiff is the Economist Professor Patrick Minford. | :05:22. | :05:28. | |
He was one of the so-called wise men advising Ken Clarke. Ken Clarke, | :05:29. | :05:35. | |
what is your appraisal of the evidence? Do you concede at least | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
some of the more you read fears have failed to materialise and we can | :05:39. | :05:46. | |
relax on those? I didn't campaign on new rich short-term fears, and the | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
truth is that the national media campaigning was pretty silly. Some | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
of the daft things were said on both sides. The other side were | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
concentrating on 77 million Turks coming here and that we tap -- we | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
would have ?350 million a week for the health service if we left. But | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
there is a serious debate. Your piece answered its own question. All | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
this silly day by day commentary on one set of figures going up and | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
down, another company investing or not, that is ridiculous. We haven't | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
even left yet. The question of the referendum was, should we leave? It | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
has hundreds of questions wrapped up in it and we won't really know the | :06:26. | :06:34. | |
economic consequences of Brexit if we do go ahead until we know whether | :06:35. | :06:37. | |
or not we are staying in the single market or the customs unit. This | :06:38. | :06:39. | |
wasn't even discussed during the referendum. Professor Patrick | :06:40. | :06:45. | |
Minford, have you taken heart or do you think it is of no interest at | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
all, because we simply don't know? The evidence since we have the | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
referendum result has been very clear. It is that the economy has | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
been strong. That's the evidence we've got. Unemployment has fallen, | :06:59. | :07:05. | |
employment has been strong. We have indeed had the fall in sterling, | :07:06. | :07:10. | |
which was universally expected, including by our side, and that has | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
stimulated the economy in a help you sort of way and be necessary because | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
we had a big balance of payments deficit. -- a healthy way. So | :07:19. | :07:25. | |
actually the economy has cruised along and has had a 2-3% growth. So | :07:26. | :07:34. | |
we haven't had all these uncertainty effects they talked about... Sorry, | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
quite a few economists said they would be a short-term shock. Gerard | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
Lyons talked about this. There was quite a bit of talk of a short-term | :07:44. | :07:50. | |
shock. So it wasn't just the Remain campaign who said that. So I don't | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
know how you can talk about that when we haven't even made the exit | :07:56. | :08:02. | |
yet. But the uncertainty that was not going to happen and it hasn't | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
happened. If anything we should be positive, because the outlook is | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
either through a clean Brexit, as it is called, where we go to free trade | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
with the rest of the world, which will be a positive, or it is the | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
status quo if you go with a soft Brexit. So the uncertainty effect | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
was always nonsense and we said that. Whereas in the short run there | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
would be a shock. I said it would be neutral and that's exactly what has | :08:30. | :08:35. | |
happened. Ken Clarke, do you think Treasury officials' analysis is | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
subject to what one might call political or cognitive bias that | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
shape the analysis they deliver? Welcome with great respect to | :08:46. | :08:48. | |
Patrick and the tiny number of economists who agreed with him | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
during the referendum, and I have genuine respect for him, as a | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
distinguished economist, but you will -- you must admit you are a bit | :08:56. | :09:03. | |
of a maverick! We get on well. We still do. But the data from the | :09:04. | :09:11. | |
OECD, the Bank of England, they weren't talking about headlines. | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
They are talking about the lasting consequences. At the moment there | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
are some short-term worrying things. A crash in sterling by over 15% at | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
one point is not sort of good news. We've devalued by almost 40% since | :09:26. | :09:31. | |
2006. We still have a terrible balance of trade. We have the worst | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
current account deficit in our history. The economy is still | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
buoyant but consumer debt is rising to very high levels. The background | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
of uncertainty is putting off some investors. You've only got to talk | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
to Japanese, Americans, others looking at this country, and | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
everything depends on what the strategy of the government is going | :09:53. | :09:55. | |
to be. And the key thing in the short term, we're only looking at | :09:56. | :10:02. | |
the economics and trade bit, not our political role in the world, which | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
was based in the EU in the past, but the key thing is, will we keep in | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
the customs union and the single market? Because it help the economy | :10:12. | :10:19. | |
to not have access. Your predictions and forecasts, and you do make those | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
as an economist, Patrick, you are predicting the stock market will be | :10:24. | :10:30. | |
from 6500 up to one -- 11,000 any year's time, which is an | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
extraordinary assessment! I'm not looking to invest! Would you say | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
your mindset shapes your forecast? Not at all. We did an analysis of | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
the long-term trade effects of going to a free market. Everybody knows | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
free trade with the world and a lot of countries, with agreements, and | :10:50. | :10:56. | |
free trade setting no tariffs if we possibly can against the EU, that is | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
good for the economy, so we did our basic analysis on the long-term | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
prospects of free trade and less regulation. Our own regulation. And | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
our control of unskilled immigration, which cost us a lot of | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
money, because of the welfare costs from the EU. Let me just say this, | :11:15. | :11:22. | |
Evan. You've got to listen! We did this analysis of these long-term | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
things and we also did the analysis of the uncertainty effect, and we | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
said all that stuff about the recession said by George Osborne was | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
nonsense. There hasn't been a recession. You are right about the | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
long-term. It hasn't yet happened. But things like the office the | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
budget responsibility said investment will be hit but it is not | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
being hit. And nor is consumer spending. We've got to move on but I | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
definitely want to talk to you in a year's time. I will be delighted to | :11:53. | :12:00. | |
do so! Can I not come back after the result? He's busted you out. Well, | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
that is Patrick! Thank you both to you. | :12:07. | :12:09. | |
Allegations of historical child sex abuse within football | :12:10. | :12:11. | |
are now being investigated by four police forces. | :12:12. | :12:13. | |
This comes after four former footballers gave emotional testimony | :12:14. | :12:15. | |
on the Victoria Derbyshire Show this morning about their experience | :12:16. | :12:17. | |
of being abused as children by ex-Crewe Alexandra coach Barry | :12:18. | :12:20. | |
Let's hear a clip of two of them, Chris Unsworth and Andy Woodward. | :12:21. | :12:27. | |
I don't know if I'm that strong, I don't know. | :12:28. | :12:29. | |
Deep down I don't think I am but I'm now... | :12:30. | :12:32. | |
I'm a funeral director, I see lots of horrible things, | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
so that's probably made me a little bit stronger than | :12:37. | :12:38. | |
I love Andy to bits and I'm here because of him. | :12:39. | :12:48. | |
Andy, you've done a quite remarkable thing, you know? | :12:49. | :12:51. | |
Last week I was on here, I was on my own, and I was | :12:52. | :13:00. | |
so scared, but I knew that they were here. | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
And tonight The Guardian is reporting that Crewe Alexandra | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
directors were warned about similar allegations against Mr Bennell | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
but allowed him to remain at the club for a number of years, | :13:12. | :13:14. | |
despite the club's chairman at the time calling | :13:15. | :13:16. | |
Let's talk now to Mark Palios, Chief Executive of the Football | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
He himself was a professional footballer for Crewe Alexandra | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
in the early '80s, before Barry Bennell's | :13:27. | :13:27. | |
A very good evening to you. So you weren't there when Bennell was | :13:28. | :13:40. | |
there. Did you ever hear intimations, gossip about him? Did | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
the grapevine ever send any signal that way to you? No. There was | :13:46. | :13:51. | |
absolutely no indication that this was a problem or an issue. Right | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
through my entire career. And I've spent 17 years with professional | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
football clubs. I never came across this as an issue. But as I said, in | :14:01. | :14:06. | |
previous interviews, I think one has two except that... I don't think | :14:07. | :14:13. | |
there was a cover-up but it is a very match a culture in professional | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
football. As a consequence, I think it was difficult for people to | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
surface issues, just as it has been done in the past week or so. So the | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
victims of this he felt they may be didn't want to say anything for all | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
the reasons we've known in the past. Victims have stayed quiet. Hamilton | :14:31. | :14:37. | |
Smith, the director in the late 80s, he has spoken to The Guardian and he | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
had alerted the directors. He knew reports of things that had going on | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
-- been going on and he sat them down and said, what are we going to | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
do about this? And that would imply... Well, what else would you | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
call it other than a cover-up if no action was taken but certainly the | :14:54. | :14:59. | |
man wasn't dismissed and police weren't called. What would you call | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
that? I can't speak for the directors and how they addressed it | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
at the time but it is interesting. We are looking at something that | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
happened about 30 years ago. And if you were looking at society today, I | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
think there's a different attitude and a different view and culture. | :15:16. | :15:21. | |
Outside of football I think it's easier to sort of surface things | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
like this. And what it does, it points you in a direction of looking | :15:26. | :15:31. | |
at, what do you do with this? And the conclusion that people may well | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
come to as a consequence of this is that a time whereby it becomes an | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
offence if you don't raise the issue, if you don't whistle blow | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
once you have serious concerns raising an individual. There is a | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
duty to report it so at least it can be investigated. Because to be quite | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
honest, one child being abused in this society is one child to many, | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
and maybe that is something society wants to say, not just in football | :15:58. | :16:00. | |
but across all sports and all organisations. When you went to the | :16:01. | :16:07. | |
FA, how much of a preoccupation and issue was this? How or where were | :16:08. | :16:09. | |
you of this being an issue? It wasn't, it wasn't massively on | :16:10. | :16:18. | |
the agenda of issues which were brought to my attention at the time. | :16:19. | :16:22. | |
The commission as I understand that was ongoing in the background, a | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
combination of both the FA, I think the Premier League and the PFA were | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
looking at child abuse and as a consequence of that commission later | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
on I think they put in place a system of comprehensive proposals | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
and regulations around how academies ran, for example. But it wasn't a | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
massive issue for me on a day-to-day basis. Hamilton Smith, again, the | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
Crewe Alexandra director, said in 2001 he went to the FA, the child | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
protection officer there and said he was worried about how much Barry | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
Bennell had been up to and thought there should be some investigation | :17:01. | :17:03. | |
and he was really given the brush off. He was told after a lapse of | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
time, he was told we have investigated this and there is | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
nothing to see. That does imply that the FA was at least complacent | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
doesn't it? I think society was complacent at the time. I am not | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
justifying, I don't know the issue, I don't know the incident but I | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
would suggest you have to look at it in the context of what was going on | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
in this country at the time and maybe there was a complacency that | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
wasn't warranted but that is what the situation was. I think | :17:34. | :17:37. | |
subsequent to that, one has to look at what has happened since and the | :17:38. | :17:40. | |
standards and regulations around how you deal with children have | :17:41. | :17:50. | |
significantly been tightened. For example, if an individual is | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
injured, a child is injured, you would not take him in a car on your | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
own as a coach back to the copper treatment, they would be at least | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
two you would take him in a group, if it was not serious you would take | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
them in a group back to the whole issue of putting yourself at risk, | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
of putting yourself in risk of an allegation being falsely made | :18:11. | :18:17. | |
against you has been address. That is something which has been | :18:18. | :18:20. | |
tightened since the 1990s, the 1980s et. Mark Palios, thank you for | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
talking to us. Thanks. Relations between Turkey | :18:25. | :18:26. | |
and the EU were fraught before Turkish President Erdogan today | :18:27. | :18:29. | |
threatened to re-allow migrants to cross over into Greece | :18:30. | :18:37. | |
and western Europe, knowing the trouble that would cause; | :18:38. | :18:39. | |
that was after the European Parliament voted to recommend that | :18:40. | :18:41. | |
talks on EU membership But the international position | :18:42. | :18:43. | |
is nothing as to what is happening Since the coup, 125,000 | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
public employees have It is a very different | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
kind of country. Tim Whewell has been to the country | :18:53. | :18:54. | |
to see what the effects are. For one violent, chaotic night | :18:55. | :19:04. | |
this summer Turks defied tanks Now though the hunt | :19:05. | :19:06. | |
for the conspirators has cost more The government says | :19:07. | :19:27. | |
it is cleansing Turkey of a virus. But is it also creating | :19:28. | :19:43. | |
a state of fear? They are trying to | :19:44. | :19:46. | |
eradicate all opposition. What is the real purpose | :19:47. | :19:58. | |
of Turkeys cleansing and has Fethullah Gulen is a 75-year-old | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
Islamic preacher living in self-imposed exile | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
in the United States. He says his aim is simply to promote | :20:08. | :20:16. | |
moderate Islam and education. But the graduates of his many | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
schools formed a powerful But President Erdogan, | :20:21. | :20:22. | |
a former ally of the preacher, claims Gulen actually | :20:23. | :20:31. | |
masterminded the conspiracy. Now the Ministry of Education | :20:32. | :20:40. | |
in Ankara, where many Gulenists worked, is leading the state's | :20:41. | :20:42. | |
efforts to cleanse Turkey Now those alleged infiltrators | :20:43. | :20:45. | |
are being purged. 50,000 were sacked in just one | :20:46. | :21:31. | |
decree published online. On the list are teachers | :21:32. | :21:40. | |
and academics like this history It is profession after profession | :21:41. | :21:43. | |
basically, so many areas of The list just goes | :21:44. | :21:51. | |
on and on and on and on. Associate Professor, | :21:52. | :22:05. | |
Department of history. Now he is an ex-associate professor | :22:06. | :22:21. | |
and his life has fallen apart. Under investigation for links | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
to Gulen he cannot travel abroad, access his own bank account or get | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
any other academic job. A few days before a friend of mine | :22:32. | :22:34. | |
had seen that book in my office and told me, remove this book, | :22:35. | :22:45. | |
nowadays it's dangerous. I told him, that is ridiculous, | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
I am an academic. To make it even more ridiculous, | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
he says, he was using quotations from the book | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
to tweet against Gulen. You can just search my name | :22:58. | :23:01. | |
and Fethullah Gulen on Twitter and you can see, | :23:02. | :23:05. | |
they are from two years ago. He thinks Gulen is a | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
dangerous extremist. I have underlined his words, | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
apostasy in Islam is So they accused you of being | :23:15. | :23:16. | |
a Gulenist simply on the strength of finding one book | :23:17. | :23:25. | |
by him in your I mean, that's the only | :23:26. | :23:27. | |
evidence they can talk of. Isn't there a real atmosphere | :23:28. | :23:35. | |
of fear now in the country? People looking over their shoulder | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
all the time, saying am I about to be denounced | :23:41. | :23:44. | |
simply in order to settle Teachers or others who say they have | :23:45. | :23:46. | |
been wrongly accused can now apply to special | :23:47. | :24:17. | |
government complaint centres. But the state does not expect that | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
many people will be reinstated. Certainly not the 28,000 state | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
school teachers who were purged There is no such evidence | :24:25. | :24:26. | |
against the history lecturer, but he does not think he'll | :24:27. | :25:08. | |
get his job back any time soon. Nowadays everyone is afraid of one | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
day becoming a Gulenist, You don't need evidence and those | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
processes may take years. And you can watch the Our World | :25:16. | :25:21. | |
documentary "Cleansing Turkey" tomorrow and Sunday | :25:22. | :25:30. | |
on the News Channel at 9.30pm Tomorrow's the 40th | :25:31. | :25:33. | |
anniversary of the Sex Pistols You can all hum the words I'm sure; | :25:34. | :25:40. | |
"Don't know what I want, But I know how to get it, | :25:41. | :25:46. | |
I want to destroy the passerby" - surely as relevant as ever | :25:47. | :25:49. | |
to the UK experience. But since then, punk | :25:50. | :25:52. | |
has lost its edge - The son of pioneers Malcolm McLaren | :25:53. | :25:54. | |
and Vivienne Westwood, hitherto best known for his underwear shops, | :25:55. | :26:01. | |
is burning his memorabilia tomorrow, in protest | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
at the de-punking of the form. A lot has been said about the elite | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
this year, but it is funny to think the punks are now the insiders | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
and true rebels this year look more Our own post punk cultural | :26:14. | :26:16. | |
commentator is Stephen Smith. This is how Jeremy Vine and the new | :26:17. | :26:35. | |
look Crimewatch covered it. Over the last 12 months punk rock has become | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
almost a battle cry in British society, for many people it's a | :26:41. | :26:45. | |
bigger threat to our way of life than Russian communism or | :26:46. | :26:47. | |
hyperinflation and it certainly develops more excitement than either | :26:48. | :26:54. | |
of those. From Pastor John Cooper for instance who sees punk as | :26:55. | :26:57. | |
degenerate and evil and from city councillors in London, Glasgow, | :26:58. | :27:00. | |
Birmingham. We beat on, boats against the | :27:01. | :27:15. | |
current, born back ceaselessly into the past on a tide of the nostalgia | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
and spittle. # We are so pretty | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
# Also pretty # We are a vacant | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
# We are so pretty # We are so pretty | :27:30. | :27:35. | |
# Vacant and Warwick. Malcolm McLaren was the spend alley of punk | :27:36. | :27:47. | |
and Vivienne Westwood. But there son says he is setting fire to | :27:48. | :27:50. | |
memorabilia worse millions because Punt is dead and worse has sold out. | :27:51. | :27:56. | |
What would his dad think? With regards to lobbyist takeover of punk | :27:57. | :28:02. | |
rock by the corporate sector and the whole idea that the establishment | :28:03. | :28:08. | |
now owns this as part of the scene that we are going to start calling | :28:09. | :28:14. | |
London, I think had he been alive he would have taken this opportunity to | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
say something about it. Whether he would have agreed with me to burn a | :28:21. | :28:23. | |
lot of it or not, I think he probably would have done. And I | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
think you would think it was kind of hilarious. Do I buy country life but | :28:29. | :28:40. | |
because it's British? Perhaps he has a point. Johnny Rotten did | :28:41. | :28:44. | |
commercials. Was it hits bar? I can't believe it's not that spot. | :28:45. | :28:51. | |
# We don't want it. But an up-and-coming band who consider | :28:52. | :28:58. | |
themselves latter-day punks say Jon Corre has got his knickers in a | :28:59. | :29:05. | |
twist. Stand-by for a punky three chord graphic. What he is doing has | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
been done in a more profound way by the EPLF who burned ?1 million. He | :29:11. | :29:15. | |
is just this sort of privileged man who has come to own all these | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
possessions because of who his parents are. I don't think you | :29:20. | :29:24. | |
should just burn our history. If it's in museums it's there to | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
inspire and influence other people rather than just be, you don't | :29:29. | :29:30. | |
achieve anything by burning it. But destroying artefacts has a | :29:31. | :29:46. | |
certain pedigree. Artist Michael Landy put all his possessions to | :29:47. | :29:54. | |
mangle. So is Jon Corre's act in that situation? Punk always embraces | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
in some way commercials and stunts which is seen as destroying a | :30:00. | :30:04. | |
spectacular or maybe a hoax, we will see. But it's not the spirit of punk | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
because punk is very creative and was a gateway for a whole load of | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
people in the mid-70s to get involved in music, fashion, | :30:15. | :30:16. | |
journalism or any other kind of outlet of energy. | :30:17. | :30:25. | |
Like his old man, this former owner of a lingerie chain is a bit of a | :30:26. | :30:32. | |
provocative. And some believe his bonfire of punk will yet turn out to | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
be no more than a tease. A storm in a teacup. | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
That's all we have time for. I will be back on Monday. Have a good | :30:42. | :30:45. | |
weekend. Good night. A lot of dry weather through this | :30:46. | :30:59. | |
weekend, that the easy bit, a lot of variety also in the weather across | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
various parts of the country, thick | :31:04. | :31:04. |