24/11/2016 Newsnight


With Kirsty Wark. The Home Affairs Select Committee releases a damning report on the child abuse enquiry. Plus interviews with the Italian foreign minister and a doctor in Aleppo.

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A month ago, this programme revealed that the most senior lawyer


on the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse


was alleged to have sexually assaulted a colleague,


but was allowed to resign with no investigation -


Tonight, a committee of MPs has passed its judgment on how


the inquiry handled the claim and it's damning.


how damaged is the inquiry and can it ever win back the trust of those


It's important to us because it's about us.


It's supposed to be about what happened to us.


So excluding us and dismissing us, and letting us see you treat other


victims really badly, is scaring us.


The Chair of the committee joins us live.


Rebel-held Aleppo no longer has a working operating hospital.


This brave little girl has been tweeting the world


We hear from a doctor in the city who is still desperately


Please, do anything to my children, anything to my wife.


Please, do anything to save them", and I can't do anything.


To boldly clean where no man has cleaned before.


The mess in space and the plan to spring clean the solar system.


Last month this programme reported on disturbing


developments inside the troubled Independent Inquiry


The inquiry's most senior lawyer was alleged to have sexually


assaulted a colleague, but was allowed to resign


The senior lawyer robustly denied the allegation and the inquiry


insisted it had not received any complaint about such an incident.


But tonight, a committee of MPs has sharply criticised the inquiry,


saying its response to the disclosure of the alleged sexual


assault, as well as allegations of bullying, was inadequate.


It would be a troubling charge for any organisation,


but it is especially so for one that was meant to be


investigating just such failings in other organisations.


So, can it now rebuild its credibility?


It's job is to shine light into dark corners of our past and present. But


tonight the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse was accused by


MPs of fail to properly investigate a claim of sexual assault under its


own roof. Tonight, Newsnight can reveal that the inquiry faces its


potentially most challenging criticism yet. It was an allegations


broadcast by Newsnight, four weeks ago. Tonight, the Home Affairs


Select Committee warned the inquiry's failure to proper


investigate itself was so serious that it threatened its able to judge


others. We do not believe that they have taken seriously enough its


responsibility to pursue allegations of bullying or disclosures of sexual


assault within the inquiry. One of the inquiries key purposes is to


assess other organisations procedures for dealing with


disclosures of sexual assault or abuses of power and institutional


reluctance to deal with difficult issues that might jeopardise their


reputation. We believe it's extremely important the inquiry can


show it treats these issues with appropriate rigour when they affect


IICSA itself. Professor Alexis Jay announced an independent review. She


said... I think there has been a lack of


transparency and, for an inquiry that at its heart is all about


undercovering conspiracies of silence and things being swept under


the carpet and by public bodies not properly investigating serious child


sex abuse, it's really vital that the inquiry itself is as upfront and


transparent as it can be. So these stories about who did what to whom


and when and how, within the inquiry, are not absolutely


strategic to the work of the inquiry itself, but are seriously damaging


in the way they've been gaining the headlines and overhanging the work


of that inquiry. It's a very serious and unhelpful distraction.


Newsnight's report in October revealed the inquiry had dropped an


investigation into its most senior lawyer, Ed Miliband. This, despite


being made aware of of a claim of sexual assault against him. A claim


Mr Ed Miliband strongly denies. -- Mr Emerson denies. He resigned. It


was agreed he would carry on working for the inquiry for a further two


months when MPs asked, answers didn't come. Why was Mr Emmerson


suspended? I cannot discuss anything to do with his circumstances. Of all


the criticism of the inquiry today, arguably the most came in a letter


sent by the MPs from the man who had been his deputy. Hue Davies QC is an


expert in safeguarding. He had never said anything publicly about the


inquiry and the inquiry had told him not to engage with the MPs. Mr


Davies ignored them and he accused the inquiry of a cover-up.


You can see how an organisation will say, look, things happen on our


premises. If the two individuals concerned are not going to make a


complaint, it's not going to go any further. On the other hand, an


organisation has these days an object ply gays to provide safe and


appropriate working conditions. It can't condone misbehaviour on its


premises. It should look into what happened to see whether its behaving


as it needs to to safeguard the concerns of people who work there.


It can't just cover the whole thing up because there hasn't been a


formal complaint. MPs agreed. The lack of preparedness to account


for something that's gone on, slightly hiding behind HR, keyses,


this is an internal matter we will deal with, I'm afraid aren't good


enough. Because of the publicity you are surrounding this, they do need


to account for what has gone on. The criticism didn't end there. The


inquiry accused of not yet doing enough to support the abused.


We want to see the inquiry, we don't want it to stop. We want it to


succeed, but we want it to be right. It's important to us because it's


about us. It's supposed to be about what happened to us. If you want our


faith and confidence, all you have to do is be straight and transparent


with us and do what you say you're going to do. So far you really


haven't done that. Release tonight letters between senior figures on


the inquiry and the Home Affairs Select Committee. Those letters show


an inquiry fighting for it is independence, resentful of elements


of the scrutiny MPs have put them under. The tonight's report has


prompted a personal apology from the Chair of the inquiry, to victims and


survivors of abuse. An apology for the anxiety caused by recent events.


The inquiry is battling to retain the support of survivors of abuse.


Bitter experience means many of them fear institutions will always tend


to sweep embarrassing issues under the carpet. That is why how the


inquiry handled their own matters so much.


We asked for a representative from the inquiry and from the Home


Office, but no-one was available. The Chair of the Home


Affairs Select Committee Peter Knox QC, from 3


Hare Court Chambers worked as junior Rosie Cooper, ir first of all, what


shocked you the most? I think it was the complete lack of transparency


and both about the - how they handled allegations of bullying and


of sexual assault disclosures but also more widely the resistance to


any form of of scrutiny. They are an independent inquiry. Their work is


vital. We want this inquiry to be effective, but in order to do so,


given all of the problems they've had, there has to be much more


transparency about what's gone wrong. I want to talk about that in


a minute. Two Chairs so far. Lead counsel, junior counsel, seven


lawyers gone or going. The biggest survivor group has pulled out.


Today, as you said, defensive and slow, not responding to the


inquiries. How much worse could it actually get? Well, I think that's


the issue that they need to deal with. They need to address to get it


back on track. We set out some specific things that they need to do


as well as the the more general things they need to do in order to


deal with this otherwise they won't be able to build the confidence that


people need. What about the position of the Chair, Alexis Jay? I think


this is all got... Become too much focused on - can we solve everything


by changing Chairs each time. This is the fourth Chair. We have lost,


you know, Chairs along the way. If you just think this can be solved by


just changing the Chairs it's missing the point. We didn't look


specifically at the issue of the Chair, we looked at the wider issues


around the inquiry, around the way it has got this culture of


defensiveness it has built up and what are the things it needs to do


to turn it round. The question Alexis Jay is a question of


leadership. It is striking that after our report, when we approached


the inquiry, about these allegations of bullying and sexual assault, what


they said was flat out - no complaint. Not even disclosure. As


far as they were concerned they claimed they knew nothing about it?


The most disturbing thing was not what they said formally, it was the


report, the unatrickitied report to an inquiry source reported in the


newspaper being very, very dismissive of the whole thing. What


we said, they should have done more to distance themselves from that


source and that briefing as well. Do you think the inquiry was straight


with the Select Committee and the public about Ben Emmerson's


departure? We don't know what theishing ises were. Actually, in


the en, it's not our position as the committee to go into the detailed


allegations and what exactly happened. You have to hold it up to


the light, don't you? That should be done by somebody else. It will be


done by somebody else? Exactly. We called for an an external person to


come in and look at this case. That could provide more transparency that


they have followed procedures properly, they have actually taken


seriously their responsibility to deal with allegations of bullying.


Do you think that will be enough? Some of the big survivor groups are


not having anything to do with this inquiry until this is sorted out?


That is the responsibility on the inquiry to deal with this now. But I


think it'ses not just the inquiry into the bullying allegations. Can


you not have unresolved bullying allegations in an institution that


has a responsibility... Not why... It's kind... I wonder if, in the


end, it's going to be possible to put it back together again and get


the trust of people again? Who is going to scrutinise it? That's the


other interesting point. The inquiry has to be independent. It was set up


to be independent as part of establishing its credibility. You


wouldn't expect people to question the conclusions it comes to or the


truth finding it does, but there has to be some scrutiny of its approach,


of the processes and the approach it takes, particularly when so much has


gone wrong. That's the role that we have tried to play. And public


money? Yes. To hold it to an account that doesn't challenge the


independence of the content of their work and the work they do to


investigate, but does say - look, you have to be accountable to


someone. Do you want to see the inquiry split into a judicial


inquiry and a social services investigation? I think that is one


option. Because the inquiry is so broad, in scope, I think that's been


one of its challenges for each of the four Chairs, it has been a


challenge as to you how to focus it most effectively. We came across


this unresolved tension between those who want a judicial approach


to past events - With a judge? Not necessarily. But someone who can


approach that forensic. Get to the truth approach, it could be a judge,


it could be somebody else. Separately an approach to child


protection policies today where we know there are considerable


failures. Those are two different kinds of approaches to two different


sorts of things. There has been a tension and people worried that one


is going to dominate the other. That they are not it actually going to


get to the truth. We have to be absolutely clear about this, who


this is awful for is the survivors? Exactly. That is who it has to be


for to deal with the cover-ups that have never been challenged and the


abuse that scars people today. Law very much. -- thank you very much.


You are an experienced lawyer and were involved in the enquiry into


the death of David Kelly, why do you think this has ran into so much


trouble? There are two major problems, firstly the remit is


impossibly wide. A lawyer looks at that remit and then she must be


joking, it is to enquire into whether state institutions and


non-state institutions have required the duty of care to children under


protection without limit in time, it could go back 40, 50, 60 years. The


other problem is there is no time limit in which the report has to be


made. If you have a time limit of say coming back within a year then


the people conducting the inquiry can say we can only carry out this


wide remit within a certain sphere, the intention is that it's a white


sphere and that has caused a lot of problems. So far we have lost seven


lawyers, why is that? We have not been told the exact reasons, that is


part of the problem. But as a lawyer all I can say is it virtually


inconceivable that lawyers would resign from the inquiry. Really? I


think one thing which is very striking is that there is no


provision to work out what happens when you have this position. The


reason for that is it just doesn't happen, normally. That is the


problem which the home affairs committee came across, everyone


effectively clammed up and said I am sorry, I cannot tell you any more.


But on the question of, this is what lawyers are meant to do isn't it?


Uncover injustice. So therefore this is actually, it's a very big job for


lawyers who presumably don't walk away lightly because the very people


they are trying to help are inevitably let down. Once you take


on a brief that is it, you do it. You may not want to take it on and


if you have reasons for not doing so you can, but a case like this I can


understand why someone might say I cannot commit five years of my life


to doing it. But I think once you have you are duty bound to carry on


and it takes the most serious circumstances to drop out. Do you


think it is fixable? What do you think can be done? I don't know but


I guess the sensible way forward would be to terminate this inquiry


and start a new one on a narrower basis with a time limit with which


the report has to be made and I think I'm not the only lawyer who


said that. I have seen other people suggesting it as well. Thank you


both very much indeed. The UN announced today that its aid


team in Syria has received written approval from rebels in the besieged


opposition-held parts of the city of Aleppo to allow aid


in and evacuate the wounded. No food or medical supplies have


entered East Aleppo, which is home to some


275,000 people, since July. Bana Alabed is a seven-year-old girl


who's been tweeting from East Aleppo The heartbreaking pictures


and footage she's been sharing have gained her over 90,000


Twitter followers. According to the UN,


by the end of October, government-led air strikes had


killed more than 700 citizens in the east of this city,


whilst rocket fire had left Before the war, travellers


to Aleppo would have read in their guidebooks


about a beautiful The street speaks a rhythm


of sounds, from horse-drawn carts over cobblestones to the more


frenetic pace of donkey riding couriers, still the fastest way


through the atmospheric labyrinthine souq, that's fragrant with olive


soap, exotic spices, roasting coffee Today, the city is almost razed


to the ground. After a three-week moratorium,


the assault on the area has resumed. The bombardment has left the streets


deserted and people trying The Syrian Observatory


for Human Rights says the strikes have been so massive that residents


are frightened to use The last operating hospital


in Eastern Aleppo has been destroyed, leaving up to 250,000


residents of rebel-held districts without access


to surgery or specialist care. Earlier, I spoke to


a surgeon in the city, I asked him what the


situation was like there. Aleppo right now is completely under


siege and under shelling. There are more than 2000 shells in 24 hours,


including parachute rockets and shells and barrel bombs and a lot of


weapons actually. The whole situation, actually, it is a


holocaust here in Aleppo. You say it is a Holocaust, tell me the kind of


injuries you are seeing? As a surgeon I see all the casualties.


They are shelling, the patients are full of fragments and shrapnel from


head to toe. There are a lot of children and women, they are all


casualties, they are civilians. You have a lot of people but you are


seeing who need medical help but what can you actually do for them


now? Actually, as you know, all trauma centres and all trauma


hospitals have been destroyed completely. They are out of service.


Now we don't have an operation room so we can't do anything to the


patients. All patients and all casualties will be, will die. Or


they will die later, because we don't, we cannot do anything. All we


can do is such a small incision. Doctor, you send us pictures of the


most desperate injuries which were too desperate for us to show. From


your point of view as a doctor how frustrating is this that you have so


little we are able to do? The most difficult moment to me, to a


surgeon, I am a surgeon and I cannot do anything for these patients are


these casualties. The patient's family appeal me and they say,


please, doctor, please do anything for my children, anything to my


wife, do anything to save them and I cannot do anything. They cry and I


cried. Is there any chance you can get any of these children out? We


plead, the international community, the Security Council, the United


Nations, all the free world and Britain is one of them, England is


one of them, we plead, we appeal them, open humanitarian corridor and


entered humanitarian aid. And change the medical staff, medical staff are


so tired. We are exhausted. We need evacuation of wounded and injuries


and complicated cases. If there was a humanitarian corridor which got


some people out over a short time span would you go would you stay to


help the ones who are left behind? It's a big question, actually. I am


a surgeon. Health care worker here, to see these patients, to save these


people, I cannot go and leave all the civilian people here in Aleppo.


Do you accept this is the death of Aleppo, the death of the city you


are facing? We do not want to die here. There is not any fuel, any


electricity or food, that is not any baby milk. There is not any fruit,


there is no electricity generator. It's a horrible situation. A surgeon


in Aleppo. The Chancellor, Philip Hammond,


has spent the day defending Touring the studios this morning


with the message that he's taken the first steps to ensure the UK


economy is prepared for Brexit. He may have to go further to placate


families who are struggling This afternoon, the Institute


of Fiscal Studies published data suggesting the outlook for wages


is "dreadful" and that workers will earn less in real terms in 2021


than they did in 2008. Also, it predicts,


the biggest losers will be... Yes - those lower income families


the government has been Our political editor,


Nick Watt, is here. Pretty dramatic sounding


intervention? Absolutely, by Paul Johnson, a former Treasury civil


servant, quite a cautious man using strong language, dreadful. They have


produced a graphic, look at this. If you look, let's get it up on screen,


there it is, look at that red line along the bottom, that is average


earnings and it is bumping along and that is showing what you are saying,


even by 2021 wages will not have recovered with a where in 2008 at


the beginning of the global financial grass. -- crash. We can


look at this any historical context, this has been produced by the


resolution foundation and look at the far right, look at that red


depth. Forecast at Autumn Statement 2016. Paul Johnson is saying we have


not seen this since the Second World War and he also makes the point that


some, although not all of this, has been caused by the consequences of


the Brexit referendum. So what do the government say? It is not great


for Theresa May, she said the Autumn Statement be aimed at those just


about managing and I think what this shows is that it is 2-1 to Philip


Hammond. He directed some measures towards those people but most of the


spending in the Autumn Statement was about boosting infrastructure, that


is where the megabucks went. If we look at that graphic again, Theresa


May has a point in one of the things she said today, we are doing some


measures, look at the national living wage, look at that blue line,


up it goes. It is denoted beer because it has to get to ?9 by 2020.


But I'm hearing an echo from the Treasury, a bit of a told you so in


the direction of the Brexit crowd but they are seeing it under their


breath because they know that the Eurosceptic Tories are turning their


fire at the moment on the experts, the officer budget responsibility,


and they wonder when it might be their turn. But let's end on a


health warning. Forecast? Sometimes they are wrong. Thank you very much


indeed. The issue of sales of Prosecco


was exercising Boris Johnson when he met the Italian Economy


Minister. Our Foreign Secretary opened that


Italy would want to grant Britain access to the EU because Italy


wouldn't want to lose out on sales of the fizz -


which we apparently drink Mr Calenda shot back that the UK


would sell fewer fish and chips. "I'll sell less Prosecco


to one country. The serious side to this is that


we're relying on countries to engage with the Foreign Secretary to sure


Brexit goes smoothly. We know that the Chancellor


and the Prime Minister seem to take great delight


in ripping Boris Johnson. Earlier this evening,


I spoke to the Mr Johnson's Italian counterpart, Paulo Gentiloni,


and asked about the future of Europe, populism and how


seriously he took our I started asking if he had


confidence in Britain's Brexit negotiation team. As far as I know


there is different roads in the UK Government. We are now in our


waiting position. I am sorry about that but this is the only thing that


we can do in the EU. There may be no formal negotiations but we know the


Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson had a conversation with your colleague,


the economy minister and Boris Johnson said Italy would grand


Britain access to the EU single market because you do not want to


lose per sec or imports. He is right isn't he? --


Boris was joking a little on that subject but the issue is does the UK


want to remain in the single market? It is rather strange that if you


want to remain in the single market you vote for a leave in the


referendum. But if the UK wants to remain in the single market we are


happy. Obviously the single market has rules. Unfortunately there is no


cherry picking. Let's look at Italian politics, you're having a


referendum on the constitution and your government is one of the few


central left governments in the EU and by Minister Matteo Renzi is


trying to tap into the anti-politics going around just now, Donald Trump


talked about draining the swamp and Matteo Renzi says he is not going to


remain in the swamp. Why is he looking to Donald Trump for


direction and inspiration? Well, I assure you he is not looking to


Donald Trump as an inspiration. They use the same language. Obviously


not. Absolutely not. If you mean that the Prime Minister having a


language and values completely different and common to the European


centre-left has also a special characteristic to be a young and


antiestablishment leader, yes, you are right. And yet that would be


exactly what the populist movements are saying, that they are the ones


who are antiestablishment, you have your own 5-star movement, there is


popular is in Hungary and France and Sweden. For sure we have a populist


movement as we all have in Europe. I am rather confident that these


populist movement in Italy will not be considered a movement capable to


have, to offer an alternative as a government.


This is I think the specific strength of our position.


We are a government force, pro-Europe, very serious


in its reform and its position, but also, understanding


what our public opinion want to be changed in the establishment,


If the central left is not aware of the changes that are necessary


in the globalisation and in the establishment,


I think that they risk, the centre left risk


Do you fear for the future of Europe?


Yes, because I think that if Europe is not able to give answers,


especially to two main subjects, one is economic growth and the other


These two issues are so urgent that if there is no European answer,


I think that Europe is seriously risking.


But we have now also a chance, after Brexit, Brexit was also


But, finally, first the UK, who'll be next to want out?


I think that UK's already sufficient.


It's a very important country and I don't think


we will have someone next, at least I hope.


Paulo Gentiloni, thank you very much indeed.


If you've ever thought, "I'll get round to cleaning that up later",


then imagine the job that scientists are facing.


Space debris is at crisis point and there's so much of it


floating around the Earth, that future missions


So, with a new era of satellite technology ready to be launched,


Our science correspondent, Rebecca Morelle, has been looking


at how to give the Earth's orbit a spring clean.


It's incredible to think that we've been space bound


We've achieved amazing advances, made countless scientific


discoveries and made the world more connected than ever before.


But for every advance, we've left something behind - waste.


So if we want to keep on blasting off into orbit,


The space around our planet is so full of rubbish orbiting


at menacingly high speeds, it's seen as a threat to future missions.


Space debris is made up of lots of things,


but any space mission, any space craft, can


Many people would say that low Earth orbit has already exceeded the kind


of capacity that it has for space junk and that we'll see


I think the evidence for that is a bit uncertain,


but it's nonetheless something that we really need to take


Low Earth orbit is about to get even more crowded.


This is Clyde Space in Glasgow, one of several companies


spearheading a new satellite revolution, were size matters.


This little thing is the size that we're talking about,


it's 10 centimetres cubed, and it's transforming


They're not only designed to be small, but plentiful.


Cost effective missions will see hundreds of them in orbit, working


together in vast constellations and bringing great benefits.


CubeSats are going to help change our understanding


of the planet so we can take an image of the Earth every day,


but also data from moisture content of the atmosphere.


We'll be looking at the temperature of the oceans in a lot more detail.


This will give them much better understanding of actually what's


But there are concerns about CubeSats becoming


And with so many joining the market, from schools to the military,


it will be tricky to ensure that everyone's following the rules.


International space guidelines require that satellites should


If we build spacecraft, we don't want to shoot


ourselves in the foot by making space unusable.


Most CubeSats are launched into variable orbits


and they have an orbital life of about three to five


years which means, at their end of mission,


There are other spacecraft up there that are quite large


that are not functional, that could potentially cause a lot


of damage if they were to collide with another object.


We've been invading space for more than half a century,


now though the brightest minds are trying to work out how


we can clean up our act, but who's going to be the first big


player in this special mission and who's going to be willing


Let's first get the score on how bad our galactic


Scientists are currently tracking more than 22,000


pieces of space junk, more than 10 centimetres wide,


that's 7,000 tonnes of trash to take out.


But blowing the stuff up would just create a bigger mess.


Instead, would-be cosmic cleaners need to bring pieces


out of orbit to burn up in the Earth's atmosphere.


But first, you've got to catch them, otherwise...


At the University of Surrey, scientists are getting ready


for the world's most ambitious refuge collection.


So the remove debris mission is an exciting mission that we're


It's going to be one of the world's first missions to actually test


Fortunately though, there are animations.


This is what their spacecraft will look like.


First, it will jettison some junk made especially for this mission.


Then it will fire a net to see how easy it is to snag


The second experiment involves setting up a target to test


the accuracy of firing the harpoon in the weightless


Last up, to test future deorbiting tech and, to clean up after itself,


it will deploy a sail designed to upset its orbit and drag it down


The mission will cost 15 million euros and the idea is that each


future mission would target one key piece of space junk.


Well, the thing is, I like to think of space junk a bit


It's a problem that no-one really wants to pay for,


If you have $100 million satellite, it gets wiped out by a piece


of junk, then you start thinking - well, maybe I should have done some


of these missions to actually get rid of these pieces because it


would have been cheaper to begin with.


There's another consideration - a diplomatic one.


There are legal issues with capturing space junk.


You can't just go up there and grab anybody's junk.


For example, a lot of the items that are worthwhile getting rid


If we just went up there and try and grab those that would


effectively be stealing them, it would be theft or interfering


It's not only about reducing hazards for future missions,


but preventing collisions that may themselves generate more junk.


Look at the damage that can be caused by the millions of pieces


British astronaut, Tim Peake, took this photo while on board


the International Space Station, a chip in a window thought to be


caused by an object a few thousand times smaller than a millimetre.


The fear is that, in a few generations, low Earth orbit


Navigation, Earth observation, weather forecasting, communications,


all those things that we take for granted would be gone.


There's already been one or two collisions between objects in space


so far and there is a lot of objects up there.


Space is pretty big, but it's something we need to be


mindful of and I think we should be doing something about it


now rather than waiting for there to be a problem.


But efforts to make the world think collectively about our environment


can be particularly challenging, even more so when that


environment is hundreds of kilometers above the Earth.


We may not be able to take out space's trash quite


as literally as we'd like, but with a new era in satellite


technology looming, experts think it's high time


However, with so many decades of waste that's out of this world,


we won't be able to get the lid on all of it.


Now, just before we go, we are getting news of what could be a


significant story in France. At least one person is dead and armed


police are surrounding a retirement home for monks in the country after


a masked man burst in carrying a knife and a sawn-off shotgun. It's


thought 70 monks live at the home. At the moment there is no indication


that the incident is related to terrorism. There will be more though


on the BBC News Channel overnight. We leave you tonight


with the haunting work An exhibition of his photographs


of homeless people from around the UK and the world goes on show


at the M Saatchi Gallery in London As hundreds of people sleep out


on the streets of London and Bristol tonight,


as part of a campaign to end homelessness, it's a timely


reminder to appreciate that A lot of dry weather to come over


the next few days. Plenty of sunshine on offer through tomorrow


as well after a frosty start across many northern areas. A lot of cloud


across the far north of Scotland might produce the odd spot of rain.


. Pay cloud further south across


The Home Affairs Select Committee releases a damning report on the child abuse enquiry. Plus interviews with the Italian foreign minister and a doctor in Aleppo, more Autumn Statement reaction and a discussion of space junk.

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