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Good afternoon. The headlines on this specially extended edition of

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Lunch time Reporting Scotland... The nation has spoken, and it has

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rejected the idea of Scottish independence. As the results came in

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last night, it became clear that Better Together had a comfortable

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lead. They ended up with 55% of the vote. We have chosen unity over

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division, and positive change rather than needless separation. For the

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yes campaign, it was a night of supreme disappointment, only cheered

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by victories in Glasgow, Dundee, Lanarkshire and West Dunbartonshire.

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Let us not to well on the distance we have fallen short, let us dwell

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on the distance we have travelled, and have confidence that the

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movement is abroad in Scotland that will take this nation forward, and

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we shall go forward, as one nation. The Prime Minister, David Cameron,

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said the issue had been settled for a generation, but he said new powers

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which had been pledged would be honoured rapidly. The three

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pro-union parties have made clear commitments on further powers for

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the Scottish Parliament. We will make sure that those commitments are

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honoured in full. Independence supporters continued to party with

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defiance right through breakfast time. We will assess how the huge

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turnout affects the future of all of Scotland. When it became apparent

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they were not getting a landslide victory, that is when the Val came

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in, and the promise of more powers. Total garbage. As of right now, I

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feel better as being part of the UK. Hello and welcome to this specially

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extended Reporting Scotland. The nation has voted and rejected

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independence. Over the next 60 minutes, we will give you a

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comprehensive overview of what happened overnight and this morning,

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and what it means for the people of Scotland and the UK as a whole. We

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will hear from the victorious Better Together Campaign team, we will get

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a analysis from Holyrood and Downing Street and we will examine what is

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next for the SNP, as the party of government in this country, and its

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leader, Alex Hammond. Kevin Keen has the story of how the night unfolded.

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Yes, 114,148... This is the moment when the referendum result was

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confirmed. 140,000 voters in Fife would take the no support across the

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finish line. Soon afterwards, the First Minister accepted the result

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and praised the people of Scotland for an 86% turnout. But he had this

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message for his Westminster counterparts. On behalf of the

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Scottish Government, I accept the result and I pledge to work

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constructively, in the interests of Scotland and the rest of the United

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Kingdom. Secondly, the unionist parties made vows late in the

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campaign to devolve more powers to Scotland. Scotland will expect the

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East to be honoured in rapid course. The Prime Minister went further,

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announcing powers being devolved to all four nations on the same time

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scale to that being offered to Scotland. Lord Smith of Kelvin, who

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so successfully led Glasgow's Commonwealth Games, has agreed to

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oversee the process to take forward these devolution commitments, with

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powers over tax, spending and welfare, all agreed by November, and

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draft legislation published by January. Just as the people of

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Scotland will have more power over their affairs, so it follows that

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the people of England, Wales and Northern Ireland must have a bigger

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say over theirs. This had been a long night, and it would be several

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hours before the picture would become clear. Among the first to

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declare where the islands, with the Western Isles result initially

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coming in Gaelic. The language might have been different, but the result

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was the same - still nothing for the yes side. The face of the campaign

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chairman appeared to say it all. On the streets of Glasgow, though, the

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initial losing streak did not dampen the party atmosphere. Hundreds were

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in George Square to mark an important day in Scotland's history.

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Spirits here were nothing but high. Dundee was the first to go to the

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yes side. It was decisive and made it neck and neck. And then the

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biggest moment of the night, when the yes side took the lead - for a

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full five minutes. But then it would crumble.

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No, 70,039... The 32 counts went off almost flawlessly, excepting Dundee,

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where a fire alarm twice forced the evacuation of the counting hall. A

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few brave police officers guarded the ballot papers until the counters

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returned. In response to the referendum question, should Scotland

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be an independent country, it went in favour of no. By the time Mary

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Pitcaithly made her declaration, it was all long over. So, who voted no

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and who voted yes? Let's attempt to give you a more detailed idea. Our

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correspondent David Henderson is here. Well, here is the headline

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result. It is all that matters in the end. 55% of Scots voters said no

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to independence. Almost 45% voted yes. So, a decisive win for the

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Better Together Campaign, and that is on a massive turnout, almost

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85%. If you were 16 or over, you had a vote for the first time. You have

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to go back 60 years or more to get something similar, which shows how

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seriously everyone took this campaign. In the event, more than 2

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million people voted no to independence. Let's not forget,

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there is still strong support for independence, more than 1.6 million

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people. So, let's have a look at who voted and where. Remember, this was

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a national vote but it was counted across Scotland's 32 local

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authorities. Some big, some small, and this gives us a good idea about

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how the rival campaigns got on. A wash of red shows the no vote. The

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yes campaign took Glasgow, the local authority deep area with the biggest

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population in Scotland, normally seen as a Labour stronghold - not

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last night. Also, a thumping vote in Dundee. West Dunbartonshire also

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went to the yes campaign. And North Lanarkshire as well. But across the

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rest of the country, you can see from the colour, it was the no

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campaign which won the majority of the vote. In ten areas, they got

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more than 60% support. Let's have a look at one of them, the capital

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city, Edinburgh. Looking at the full round-up, back

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to the West Coast, much of Glasgow's commuter belt, the likes

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of East Renfrewshire, let's look at that. Again, delivering a thumping

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no vote. 63% against. We knew before the referendum that the challenge

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for the yes campaign was winning over groups who were unconvinced.

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How did they fear? The yes vote was higher in more deprived parts of the

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country, places like Dundee. And Glasgow. Middle-class areas, more

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likely to vote against independence. And rural voters in Perth and

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Kinross, Stirling, the Murray first, more likely to vote no. Clear signs

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that pensioners did not back the campaign in anything like the same

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numbers as young voters. Huge contrasts across the country between

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less well off and well off, and the young and old, between town and

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country. But that is the number that really matters. The Better Together

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campaign wins decisively. Tim Reid is with me here. The no

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campaign won by promising more devolution. They all have offers,

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the main parties, but they are different. The main parties have

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guaranteed further powers but we do not know what further powers to

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cause labour, the Lib Dems and the Conservatives do not agree. They

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have different plans. They have promised to start the consultation

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process to date and David Cameron has pledged that it will mean change

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in governance for the rest of the UK. There is already clamour for

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further powers for Northern Ireland and Wales. Mr Cameron has said he

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will provide an answer to the West Lothian question, so does that mean

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that Scottish MPs cannot vote to British matters? And although the

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yes campaign has lost the referendum they believe that with 1.5 million

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voters they have a mandate to push for further powers. They have said

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that they will put their shoulder to the wheel and join the other parties

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in looking for this but I think that the pressing matter will be for them

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to try to get these powers in the short-term and for Scotland, it is

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going to be on Gordon Brown's timetable. Legislation drafted by

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January, but it will be before the 2015 election for that is in the

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statue books. A lot can happen before then. -- statute books. A

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vast process for the man with the job on his hands. Indeed. And he

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managed to have a Commonwealth Games in Glasgow to meet tight timetable.

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Presumably that is what David Cameron is hoping will happen here.

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-- to a tight timetable. What will the parties agree before the

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election? Time will tell. What about the SNP? Alex Salmond is still in

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charge of Scotland. What happens now? That remains to be answered.

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The independence case has been lost for the moment. Alex Salmond has

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promised to accept and abide by that outcome but also says that he will

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be pushing for those powers. Will there be a postmortem and questions

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about the strategy employed by the SNP leadership? Would they have done

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better if they had come up with a currency union alternative, as they

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pressed for? Those questions will perhaps be asked at the SNP

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conference in October. The other parties have got their conferences

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starting this weekend. I think that there is lots to discuss. At the

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moment, the SNP government is popular and Alex Salmond has said

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that he will stay on and see out his term. But will hardline nationalists

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question that strategy? Will you decide to go before 2016? I'm joined

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by the writer and portico commentator, Gerry Hassan, and the

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junior shadow defence minister and Labour MP for western partnership,

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Gemma Doyle. -- West Dunbartonshire. We do not know yet what the

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coordinated body of powers will be that comes to Scotland eventually.

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What contribution is Labour going to make now to fulfilling those that

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were made before the vote? Actually, the three parties set out quite

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detailed... And different plans. Not a huge amount of difference. That

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was done a few months ago. The process is now about sitting down

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together and coming to a joint proposal. I hope that will be

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possible. The Labour proposal was arguably the weakest of the three.

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The tamest. And Labour willing to compromise? -- Labour are willing to

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compromise? And we are willing to have discussions and hope the SNP

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will join in. In the past, they have not wanted to join in. But we need

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everyone around table and we are willing to look at what is there and

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talk to people about how we take this forward. Gerry Hassan, it is

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going to be an incredibly difficult ask as everybody recognises, to

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bring together the different offers. To bring the SNP into the

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next, and to get it done at the same time as giving devolved powers south

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of the border. -- into the net. What are the chances of this being done

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within the timescale? I think this timescale has to be looked at, not

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unquestioning, but the timescale is a bit like the way that Westminster

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has done the European referendum question. Some of this is about

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positioning substance, to be seen to be doing something, and answering a

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real demand for more powers in Scotland. So that is the first

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thing. Then, there is the different proposition between the three

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prounion parties. We have the paradox that the party that was

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against devolution, the Tories, have put forward the most coherent and

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radical proposals. It may well be that the more radical proposals from

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the Lib Dems and Tories are the ones that form what is on offer. But this

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is not just about the constitution, it is about economic and social

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justice and how that is done in Britain. It cannot be a narrow,

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constitutional debate because that is not what the people of Scotland

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or the UK are looking for. It is not just about more powers, that does

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not have popular resonance. It has to touch wider issues, which is

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where the prounion parties and the SNP have to go. How much are you in

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touch, Gemma Doyle, with what the people of Scotland are aspiring to

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and feeling the way towards? You lost great swathes of people that

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the Labour Party is traditionally associated with supporting and

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inspiring. And they clearly did not believe that you could help them

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towards a better life. I have been on the door is four-month stay in

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and day out. I think we have a pretty good sense of what people

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were looking for. -- I have been on the doors day in and day out. Most

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people said to me it is not about a party. Think a lot of people were

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looking for change. This is a deeply unpopular Conservative government. I

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understand people saying, where do we get the change from? My message

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is that the Labour Party have the policies to make a difference to

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people's lives and that is what we are campaigning for. Let's get a

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picture of what is happening at Holyrood after the vote. We know

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that it will continue to be Scotland's devolved parliament

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although the plan is for more powers to move there from Westminster. Our

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political reporter is there for us. What is the mood there this morning?

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Actually, it is fairly quiet at Holyrood now. There was an all-night

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vigil with people, yes supporters, keeping the flame of independence

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alive. But they left pretty despondent this morning. As dawn

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broke on and tumble morning. I'm joined by the finance secretary,

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John Swinney. -- and ought on the morning. You must be personally

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devastated by the result? I am deeply saddened by the result. I am

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deeply saddened by the result. I've spent my adult life aiming for

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Scottish independence. Yesterday was a day of great joy because I'd got

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to vote quietly in the village hall along from my house for Scottish

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independence, and also had to come to terms with the fact that we did

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not make it. But we did win the support of 1.6 million fellow

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citizens for Scottish independence. And we also demonstrated beyond any

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question that this country is able to handle the biggest of all

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debates, that we could handle it well and courteously, and we had an

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enormous turnout. 85% of the public who were eligible to vote came out

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and voted and that is a triumph for democracy. An impressive turnout for

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yes, but there was still ten points between you and the no campaign.

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Yes. But several weeks ago we were 20 points adrift. And we got very

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close, it was 51-49 at one point. And what made it settle at 45-55 was

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the offer of additional powers for the Scottish Parliament given

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solemnly to the people of Scotland by the Westminster parties. The

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crucial point that comes out of the referendum is that those powers must

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be delivered because they were solemnly offered in a swift and

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quick timescale, a reliable timescale, and that has to be

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fulfilled by the UK parties. But we hear the promise today that they

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will be fulfilled. By now you want to hold them to account but it

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sounds like those promises will be capped. They have to be capped and

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within the timescale in which they were offered because that factor,

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and eye could see it in the last few days of the referendum, people

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thinking of voting yes because they want the parliament to decide more

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issues that affect their lives, tackling inequality, creating jobs,

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protecting our vital public services, they want the parliament

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to have those powers. And the key conclusion that must be drawn from

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the referendum result is that the people of Scotland, the 1.6 million

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that voted for what I believe in, Scottish independence, the 1.9

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million afforded in favour of the no campaign, they voted to get extra

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powers. But the no camp was not necessarily voting for more powers.

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Wait a minute, wait a minute. The people were told that if you vote

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no, you are not footing for no change, you are voting for extra

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powers. That could not have been made clear. It was made either the

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Prime Minister, the leader of the opposition, Alistair Darling, Gordon

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Brown. They queued up and they now have to deliver. The desire for

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change as you see it, you had the perfect storm for independence. You

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had a Tory Prime Minister, Eton educated, austerity, the bedroom

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tax, and yet you still did not manage to get over the line. We did

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fantastically well. 45% of the vote, I will not deny the reality. There

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is no one more disappointed in Scotland today than me. Why would

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love to have won. But we gave it our best. -- I would love to have won.

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We made the best arguments, the most rational point is that we could

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advance. The greatest energy of a fabulous grassroots campaign across

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the country. Yes, it involved the SMB and it motivated and thousands

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of my fellow citizens to take the future of our country into our own

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hands and we got very close. And I am proud of that fact. It was an

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impressive campaign on the ground but do you think that sometimes the

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independence campaign was promising too much to everyone? You could have

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independence and heaven and earth. We did not say that. We said it was

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not a magic wand. We promised people hope and ambition. And who should

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not have hope and ambition? We should all have it. And the

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conclusion of the referendum yesterday is a triumph for

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democracy. 85% of eligible electorate turned out to vote. We do

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not get that for British general elections. We have not got that

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since before I was born. Now that we have seen that strong expression of

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democratic will by the people of Scotland, the propositions that were

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put forward by the UK parties must now be fulfilled. A difficult day

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for you, Mr Swinney. Thank you for joining us. Activist Judy. -- back

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to the studio. David Cameron has been to Scotland

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several times over the last few weeks, making impassioned pleas for

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Scots to vote no. Enough of them did. Today, David Cameron told

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people who had voted yes that he heard what they were saying. He made

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a strong commitment to honouring the vote for devolution. -- the valve.

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The people of Scotland have spoken, and it is a clear result. They have

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kept our country of four nations together, and like millions of other

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people, I am delighted. As I said during the campaign, it would have

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broken my heart to see the united England come to an end. Let us also

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remember why it was white to ask the definitive question, yes or no.

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Because now, the debate has been settled for a generation, or, as

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Alex Hammond has said, perhaps for a lifetime. So, there can be no

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dispute, no rerun, we have heard the settled will of the Scottish people.

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To those in Scotland sceptical of the constitutional promises that

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were made, let me say this. We have delivered on devolution under this

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government, and we will do so again in the next Parliament. The three

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pro-union parties have made commitments, clear commitments, on

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further powers for the Scottish Parliament. We will make sure that

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those commitments are honoured in full. And I can announce today that

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Lord Smith of Kelvin, who so successfully led Glasgow's

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Commonwealth Games, has agreed to oversee the process to take forward

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these devolution commitments, with powers over tax, spending and

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welfare, all agreed by November, and draft legislation published by

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January. This referendum has been hard-fought. It has stirred strong

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passions. It has electrified politics in Scotland and caught the

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imagination of people across the whole of our United Kingdom. It will

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be remembered as a powerful demonstration of the strength and

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vitality of our ancient democracy. Record numbers registered to vote,

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and record numbers cast their vote. We should all be proud of that. It

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has reminded us how fortunate we are that we are able to settle these

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vital issues at the ballot box, peacefully and calmly. Now, we must

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look forward and turn this into the moment when everyone, whichever way

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they voted, comes together to build that better, brighter future for our

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entire United Kingdom. Our Westminster correspondent David

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Porter is at Downing Street. David, that was a relieved man, David

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Cameron there are, this morning, wasn't it? It was. That is the

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overwhelming emotion. It was almost an audible sigh of relief, when they

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found out that Scotland was not going to vote for independence. It

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has been a pretty extraordinary 24 hours. David Cameron did not know if

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the UK was going to be dissolved this morning, whether Scotland was

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going to say it wanted to go its own way, and whether David Cameron would

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be facing calls from his own back inches to go this morning, because

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he had lost the union. That did not happen. That place behind me has

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seen some pretty momentous events over the years, and I think what we

:25:47.:25:50.

have seen in the last 24 hours is up with those. In effect, what we now

:25:51.:25:57.

have, following David Cameron's announcement, is a constitutional

:25:58.:26:00.

building site. We do not have definite plans, we have vague

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sketches. Now, they have to put those sketches into plans and

:26:06.:26:09.

deliver them, on a quick timescale as well. There is scepticism that he

:26:10.:26:13.

and his coalition government can push this through in the time

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available as well? Yes, we are talking about multifaceted

:26:22.:26:24.

constitutional change, affecting the whole of the UK. They say that they

:26:25.:26:31.

want to get some ideas by November, they want draft legislation by

:26:32.:26:36.

January. That is fine, and we have a general election which will get in

:26:37.:26:40.

the way of that, so it is virtually impossible that we will get

:26:41.:26:43.

legislation on the statute books for the general election. I say that

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because MPs will want to scrutinise it very carefully. Also, the House

:26:49.:26:53.

of Lords will want to look at it, and they love looking in detail at

:26:54.:26:58.

constitutional reform. So, the likelihood is that the new

:26:59.:27:01.

government which comes in at Westminster, whatever complexion it

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is, will be signed up to constitutional reform. It will be

:27:06.:27:08.

for the next Parliament at Westminster to deliver that, but it

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will not be easy. There are many Conservative backbenchers who say,

:27:13.:27:16.

we are happy for Scotland to have more powers, but we also want

:27:17.:27:19.

England to have more powers, and we have our old friend, the West

:27:20.:27:26.

Lothian question, regarding how the Scottish MPs vote. It will not be

:27:27.:27:31.

easy, it will not be quick, to sort this out. But there will be people

:27:32.:27:34.

in Downing Street tonight who will be sleeping a lot easier than they

:27:35.:27:41.

did last night. Thank you very much. We will have more analysis of what

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this means for Scotland in the next half-hour of this specially extended

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Reporting Scotland. First, the weather continues as normal, and so

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does Christopher, who has got the forecast. Fairly cloudy this

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afternoon. Still fairly misty conditions across eastern parts of

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the country. We will have some outbreaks of patchy rain across the

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Highlands and Islands, working southwards and eastwards. Further

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east, a bit cooler. Down the east coast, quite murky through the

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afternoon. This cold front will be working south and eastwards, behind

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it, cooler, fresher and brighter conditions. Brightening up across

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the western Isles before dusk this evening. Elsewhere, through the

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central belt and the south, fairly cloudy, misty and the Key. Further

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north, quite chilly at times. To the weekend, brighter than recent days,

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and generally fresher, too, but still rather settled, thanks to the

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high pressure. Tomorrow morning, still quite cloudy through the

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central belt and the south, with light morning rain, which pushes

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away. : Firstly, in the north-west, tending to cloud over. Temperatures,

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up to the high teens. Overnight, some clear skies and it could be

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quite chilly, certainly in the countryside. On Sunday, that high

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pressure is firmly in charge. Sunday will be reasonably dry with some

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bright and sunny spells. Temperature wise, 16-18 Celsius. Monday, once

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again, reasonably dry and bright through the central belt and the

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south and east. That is the forecast.

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You are watching a specially extended referendum special of

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Reporting Scotland. As we have seen, Scots have been engaged in

:30:07.:30:10.

this debate in a way which has seldom been seen before. We have

:30:11.:30:15.

heard from the politicians, but how have the people of Scotland reacted

:30:16.:30:21.

to last night's vote? As Scotland woke up to a no vote, it

:30:22.:30:24.

brought both jubilation and devastation. Such was the passion in

:30:25.:30:31.

this campaign, today was always going to be painful for the side

:30:32.:30:39.

that lost. Absolutely gutted. Eich cannot believe 55% of Scotland voted

:30:40.:30:43.

against our country being a country. It just does not make sense to me.

:30:44.:30:49.

Control of our own affairs, it was on a plate for us, we should have

:30:50.:30:54.

had it. For many know supporters, it was a time to breathe a sigh of

:30:55.:31:03.

relief. Absolutely delighted. I was hoping that the union would stay

:31:04.:31:09.

together. It is more of a relief situation, rather than, oh, dear,

:31:10.:31:18.

what is going to happen? Everybody is taking a step back and thinking,

:31:19.:31:24.

we have got a strong society. George Square in Glasgow was a rallying

:31:25.:31:27.

point for supporters of independence. This morning, the

:31:28.:31:30.

result was too much for some to bear.

:31:31.:31:37.

Decisions meant for Scotland should be made in Scotland. I am really

:31:38.:31:41.

disappointed I genuinely thought it was going to be a yes. I hope that

:31:42.:31:46.

we get more powers, and I hope that stuff happens. For those who

:31:47.:31:50.

campaigned so hard, the dream had slipped through their fingers.

:31:51.:31:55.

Beyond devastated. I thought we had a chance of something special. We

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created something special with the grassroots movement, and I still

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think we can build on it. Others believe that every voter can gain

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from this result. The winner is in social democracy, no question. We

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have shown it. It is the politics of the people, as opposed to the

:32:13.:32:18.

politics of the parliamentarians. I think the political establishment of

:32:19.:32:22.

Westminster has really come under severe scrutiny. The Better Together

:32:23.:32:27.

supporters believe the result vindicated their quieter, more

:32:28.:32:31.

low-key campaign, which played up the risks of independence grumpy

:32:32.:32:36.

people who were yes voters, when they came high street in the last

:32:37.:32:41.

few days, with placards waving in their face, they thought, this is

:32:42.:32:47.

not the Scotland I want. In fact, attack ticks by the SNP have

:32:48.:32:55.

persuaded many voters to vote no. This referendum is supposed to

:32:56.:33:00.

settle the issue for a generation, but there are many who have been

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left unsatisfied by Scotland's choice. What about the campaign

:33:04.:33:15.

whose message prevailed, Better Together? They were often viewed as

:33:16.:33:18.

not as visible or effective on the ground as their opponents, but they

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won in the end, I10 percentage points. Our correspondent is at

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their headquarters in Glasgow. They are probably all asleep? Yes, in a

:33:29.:33:39.

word the mood is quiet. In the heart of Glasgow, just outside the

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headquarters, the lights are on, but nobody is home at the moment. They

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do have other offices, but they are empty at the moment as well. John

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Reid, the last to together big beast who we heard from, I spoke to him at

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ten o'clock this morning, by which time he had been on his feet for 27

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hours. Perhaps we cannot begrudge them a little bit of sleep. I am

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joined by the political correspondent from the Glasgow

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evening times, Stuart Paterson. Thank you for staying up with us

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first of all. Better Together, it got a lot of criticism along the

:34:20.:34:23.

way, and yet it prevailed How Do You Analyse That? Ultimately, The Only

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Poll That Matters Is The Final Result, So Better Together Are The

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Ones Celebrating. But if you look at the direction of travel of the

:34:35.:34:37.

campaigns, but together were trying to hold on their support, and yes

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Scotland was chipping away at it, and they did so very successfully.

:34:42.:34:46.

It was only in the last few days that Better Together started to get

:34:47.:34:50.

their Key messages through, that there were risks. They started to

:34:51.:34:56.

increase the family of nations idea and the benefits of the UK. Both of

:34:57.:35:01.

them together started to make an impact, and I think that was perhaps

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what did it. A lot of people felt it was quite a negative campaign at

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times, the Better Together Campaign, and obviously it has won,

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does that show that negativity pays? Perhaps. As I say, they emphasised

:35:17.:35:24.

the risks of leaving the UK, bit too much in the early part of the

:35:25.:35:28.

campaign. That was why the yes campaign was able to say they were

:35:29.:35:32.

negative. People were saying Labour was in bed with the Tories, and

:35:33.:35:37.

saying that it was a Westminster elite telling Scotland what to do.

:35:38.:35:41.

But once they started to introduce the family of nations idea, the

:35:42.:35:45.

NHS, the Armed Forces, the benefits of written, the perceived benefits,

:35:46.:35:51.

then that did start to make a difference. When the Prime Minister

:35:52.:35:54.

came up last week, which normally you would think would do nothing,

:35:55.:35:58.

other than increase a yes vote, he changed his message, and it was not

:35:59.:36:03.

like when George Osborne came and said, you cannot have the pound, we

:36:04.:36:08.

are telling you what to do... This was a plea from the rest of the UK

:36:09.:36:13.

to say, these stay with us, presenting a softer side. It may not

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have worked all over the country, but I think it worked in enough

:36:17.:36:21.

places to hold the vote together. Thank you very much for joining us.

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No signs of life at the moment. I am sure that will change later in the

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day. Well, it is business as usual

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today, according to RBS and others in the financial services. Today,

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our economics correspondent has been gauging business and market

:36:43.:36:46.

reaction. You are joining us here in a very

:36:47.:36:50.

drizzly Edinburgh this morning, with three guests. First of all, Brian

:36:51.:36:59.

Souter, 1 of Scotland's most famous entrepreneurs - what is your

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reaction this morning? Initially, it was one of disappointment, because I

:37:05.:37:10.

supported independence. But as I reflect on the journey we have come

:37:11.:37:15.

on, I feel we have achieved a great deal, we have guaranteed that the

:37:16.:37:19.

Barnett formula will be continued, which is very important for funding

:37:20.:37:25.

health care and education. There was talk of that being abandoned. We

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have also got a promise of more powers, and we will hold the

:37:30.:37:33.

unionist parties to that promise. And also, we have had an amazing

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flowering of democracy. This has acted as a catalyst, and we have had

:37:38.:37:45.

people engaging and voting who have not voted for 30-40 years. The

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turnout has been amazing. I feel the whole of the UK will benefit.

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Nothing will really be the same again. You personally gave ?1

:37:54.:37:59.

million to the SNP as part of the yes campaign, was it well spent? I

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think it was. The yes campaign ran an amazing campaign, which was very

:38:08.:38:12.

positive. When we started this process two years ago, we were

:38:13.:38:16.

polling about 30% for independence, and we have just got 45%. It is an

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amazing achievement. The Key issue is that we have got another 400,000

:38:23.:38:28.

people onto the voting register, and most of these people were

:38:29.:38:34.

disenfranchised. A lot of them you would describe as urban poor. That

:38:35.:38:38.

is where a lot of the yes vote was lying. I think if these people are

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re-engaged with politics, and we can keep them voting, then I think it

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would be a price worth paying. And enterprise. In the vocal about

:38:45.:38:58.

your concerns and those of the financial industry around

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independence. What is your reaction? Any of the uncertainties that would

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have been created by a yes vote will now no longer concern us and our

:39:08.:39:11.

businesses looking to the future and making the most of our assets as one

:39:12.:39:15.

of the best juristic chins in the world for the conduct of financial

:39:16.:39:18.

services. There are more powers to come and that has been made clear.

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The Prime Minister repeated that this morning. We look forward in

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participating with those discussions. The big questions that

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were leading companies to make contingency plans around currency

:39:30.:39:32.

and financial regulation, those big issues for our industry have now

:39:33.:39:38.

receded and we can focus on the future and taking advantage of the

:39:39.:39:41.

many opportunities we have as part of the UK. We have heard from plenty

:39:42.:39:46.

of companies this morning, including RBS are saying that their

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contingency plans are not needed. Business as usual? To some extent,

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yes. There are market opportunities and we are incredibly well placed to

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take advantage of them. This has been a necessary and valuable

:39:59.:40:03.

process. It has brought up interesting points of discussion for

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the industry and for the population as a whole. But as I say, what we

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can confirm is that we are part of the UK, part of that jurisdictional

:40:12.:40:16.

framework. We are one of the most sustainable in the world. And we are

:40:17.:40:21.

looking forward to the future. And finally, and Richards from Aberdeen

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Asset Management. The currency market opened strong this morning.

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The pound is trading high against the euro and the dollar. Is that a

:40:34.:40:37.

reaction to the vote? I think the market was broadly expecting a no

:40:38.:40:41.

vote, so that is how we were positioned across the markets. I

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think what you were seeing is partly relief from that, but also a

:40:47.:40:49.

reflection of what is going on in the wider market. From your point of

:40:50.:40:55.

view, you tread a careful line throughout the referendum debate.

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What happens to your company, going forwards? As you have been hearing,

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it is business as usual. We felt that Scotland would flourish one way

:41:06.:41:09.

or another, regardless. We are obviously pleased to be continuing

:41:10.:41:13.

to be part of the UK, to be able to do business across one United

:41:14.:41:16.

Kingdom in terms of goods and services. Future will continue to

:41:17.:41:19.

bring challenges and we will need them as and when. It literally is

:41:20.:41:25.

business as usual for people in Edinburgh with plenty of people

:41:26.:41:27.

heading into the office back into work on this interesting morning, as

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we see things panning out for the business community here in

:41:33.:41:37.

Edinburgh. Straight back to our political reporter, Andrew Kaar, and

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the Scottish Parliament. Earlier, we heard from John Swinney, and I'm now

:41:45.:41:48.

joined by the leader of the Scottish LeBron Democrats, Willie Rennie, a

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key figure in Better Together. Thank you for joining us. What is the mood

:41:53.:41:55.

of this afternoon two gleeful, gloating? Relief, I think. Scotland

:41:56.:42:02.

has made the right decision. Britain will never be the same again. There

:42:03.:42:09.

are reverberations throughout the UK already. The Prime Minister has

:42:10.:42:13.

reacted immediately and Nick Clegg was up here making the same point.

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They have appointed chairman to the commission that will move forward

:42:19.:42:22.

the more powers agenda. I want to pick up, 1.5 million people in

:42:23.:42:26.

Scotland looking for independence. The city of Glasgow wanted

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independence. This is a wake-up call for the union. Absolutely. We are

:42:31.:42:36.

listening to what people have said and what they have expressed. And

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what they have expressed is that they want change. The people who

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voted no also want to change. That is what was on offer from the Better

:42:46.:42:50.

Together camp. Substantial change. That is why we have to make sure

:42:51.:42:54.

that this substantial change is a livered for the long-term to the

:42:55.:43:00.

benefit of Scotland. So substantial change but three different offerings

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from the three main prounion parties. How can you guarantee that

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you do not just negotiate down to the lowest common to nominate? That

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is not what this process is about. -- lowest common to nominate. John

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Swinney and the SNP have joined the process, so for the first time, we

:43:19.:43:23.

have all four parties in the room. I think that that creative energy that

:43:24.:43:27.

has been handed to us by this referendum will mean that we can get

:43:28.:43:32.

the missing powers from this parliament that will allow us to

:43:33.:43:37.

have a flexible, agile Parliament to meet the needs of Scotland. It is a

:43:38.:43:41.

tight timescale. Lord Smith has been appointed as a timekeeper character

:43:42.:43:46.

to make sure you deliver. It is unrealistic, isn't it? Not at all.

:43:47.:43:52.

We have been working on this process for three years. I asked Menzies

:43:53.:43:55.

Campbell to write his report in 2011. The Tories and Labour Party

:43:56.:44:02.

have done likewise. I'm sure that the SNP and the government have been

:44:03.:44:07.

working up their own proposals, under the circumstances that they

:44:08.:44:10.

were going to lose. I think that the technical work has been done. We

:44:11.:44:15.

have to find out how to build the best possible package. I want the

:44:16.:44:18.

Scottish Parliament to do something different. If people of Scotland

:44:19.:44:22.

wants to do something different, they should have the powers to do

:44:23.:44:25.

so. That is mainly about fundraising powers, so that we raise money we

:44:26.:44:29.

spend here. So that we control the purse strings, and we can do

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something different. We will have to leave it there. Thank you for

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joining us. And with that, it is back to Sally in Glasgow. A

:44:39.:44:46.

political campaign of unprecedented proportions, one that developed into

:44:47.:44:49.

a genuine national conversation. Many hopes were raised, many

:44:50.:44:53.

passions engaged. Our social affairs correspondent examines how the two

:44:54.:45:01.

sides might be reconciled, and indeed if reconciliation is required

:45:02.:45:08.

once the dust settles. We're best friends. Yes. The debate has always

:45:09.:45:13.

been rigorous and rarely rancorous but there have been flash point

:45:14.:45:20.

moments. I am Labour. Up here with your redcoats and your 30 pieces of

:45:21.:45:29.

silver! 30 pieces of silver! I will give you 30 pieces of silver to shut

:45:30.:45:34.

up. John Prescott was courting labour voters for the no campaign.

:45:35.:45:39.

Such high-profile visitors have inevitably attracted

:45:40.:45:40.

counterdemonstrations from the opposite side.

:45:41.:45:49.

But with so many people prepared to come out onto the streets to show

:45:50.:45:53.

their support for each camp, will it be possible for the country to come

:45:54.:45:56.

together again now that the result is known? One big name in the

:45:57.:46:02.

campaign, Margo MacDonald, has not been able to take part personally.

:46:03.:46:05.

At her message has been taken around the country by her widower am I who

:46:06.:46:09.

told her memorial service after her death offers -- of her hopes after

:46:10.:46:16.

the result. That at one minute past ten, whatever the result, she wanted

:46:17.:46:22.

those divisions to end and this nation to seek unity of purpose.

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APPLAUSE. If she could debate without

:46:27.:46:32.

conceding one iota of principle, but do so without venom, so can we all.

:46:33.:46:38.

If she could respect the rights of the other side to their opinions, so

:46:39.:46:44.

can we all. That is what happened in Quebec in

:46:45.:46:52.

1995. The no campaign prevailed with a tiny margin, just 50,000 votes

:46:53.:46:56.

from an electorate slightly larger in Scotland today. Observers say

:46:57.:47:01.

that despite that, Canada was not written asunder, but there was

:47:02.:47:06.

subsequent consensus that the referendum had been a vitally

:47:07.:47:10.

important matter. There was a recognition that it had been a very

:47:11.:47:15.

bruising experience for the electorate. It was a divisive issue.

:47:16.:47:21.

It was a close result but a result that really mattered. It was not a

:47:22.:47:27.

result that was close on an issue that was unimportant. One of the key

:47:28.:47:30.

battle grounds in the referendum campaign has been business and

:47:31.:47:32.

commerce. Business leaders insisted that uncertainty is what they are

:47:33.:47:38.

poorer. Today, at least, there is certainty. -- that they are poorer.

:47:39.:47:46.

The sooner that the Scottish government or the Westminster

:47:47.:47:51.

government can actually provide real insight then, the sooner business

:47:52.:47:57.

will be reassured and be able to pass on that reassurance to the

:47:58.:48:00.

workforce and investors and, most importantly, to the customers to

:48:01.:48:05.

demonstrate that Scotland remains a very, very good place to do

:48:06.:48:11.

business. The Church of Scotland is holding a reconciliation service at

:48:12.:48:13.

Saint Giles Cathedral in Edinburgh on Sunday the moderator believes

:48:14.:48:16.

that the recent national conversation will leaves Scots

:48:17.:48:23.

society stronger. The remarkable thing about the campaign is that

:48:24.:48:26.

Sony people have been involved. Not in my lifetime has that been any

:48:27.:48:32.

issue over which the civic voice of Scotland has been heard and saw

:48:33.:48:37.

clearly. And when you have a process that generates that much involvement

:48:38.:48:40.

and that much interest, it must be good. But what we need after the

:48:41.:48:50.

referendum is the same amount of civic involvement but on the same

:48:51.:48:56.

side. With a heavy turnout, it is inevitable that many people will be

:48:57.:49:00.

disappointed today. Had that is managed holds the key to the future

:49:01.:49:04.

for all of Scotland. -- how that is managed.

:49:05.:49:10.

Man cast with -- asked with bringing the main parties together to agree

:49:11.:49:13.

of what -- on what powers the Scottish Parliament should have is

:49:14.:49:17.

Lord Kelvin. He says that although the timescale is short on confidence

:49:18.:49:21.

can get agreement. In many ways, I would prefer a timeline that you can

:49:22.:49:26.

actually see. Instead of saying let's take two years to debate this.

:49:27.:49:29.

Why do not think the electorate wants to wait that much longer. They

:49:30.:49:34.

have had their say and a lot of things have been sent during the

:49:35.:49:37.

campaign. They actually want all of that energy, the Fort to be put into

:49:38.:49:42.

action, but they do not want to wait eight months to see that action. It

:49:43.:49:48.

is not actually a bad timescale. There is a lot of thought and things

:49:49.:49:52.

have been said already. We know what people want. I wants to make sure

:49:53.:49:57.

that we get to the fact. I will delivered by the 30th of November.

:49:58.:50:04.

With me now is the Mr for local government and planning, Derek

:50:05.:50:08.

Mackay, and Jackson Tallo of the Scottish Conservatives. Derek

:50:09.:50:12.

Mackay, you agree that it can be done? Do you believe the parties? It

:50:13.:50:18.

is an ambitious timescale, considering what has to be achieved.

:50:19.:50:25.

It absolutely must be done. First of all, I thought the yes campaign was

:50:26.:50:28.

a fantastic campaign of ingenuity, creativity and substance full stop I

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want to thank all of those who voted yes. 1.6 million people engaging in

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this process. And the choice. It was not the status quo versus change. It

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was change. Everyone agreed on that. More powers to the Scottish

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Parliament, independence, that was the spectrum. The onus is on the

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Westminster parties to deliver on that. But yes, regular levels of

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engagement and we should harness that is to unite the country and

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move forward. The Scottish government, of course, will play a

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part in that. And how do you envisage your part? What would you

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do now? The people have spoken and in accepting the results, we accept

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that Scotland has called for change and Scotland must not fall off the

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Westminster Raider as we approach the election. -- radar. We have no

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details as we reach that process. Those discussions will begin but the

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reason we want to dissipate, that is what people would expect. Scotland

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had a great debate about what kind of country we seek and how we get

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there. I am disappointed in the result because wanted independence

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and the powers and resources of independence. But we will make the

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best of it. We will always move forward and pursue Scotland's

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interests. It is ambitious to get proposals and legislation by January

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of Scotland expects. Jackson, you and the other parties carry a huge

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responsibility, carrying the hopes and dreams of many Scots who voted

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both ways for a better Scotland. For two points. Firstly, when we have

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had these debates previously, my party has been on the other side of

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the argument and we have not seen the degree of unanimity that there

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is now within the unionist parties to deliver this. But all the talk

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over the last few days was, will the party be able to take the initiative

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two I think today, we saw the Prime Minister acting decisively to move

:52:32.:52:37.

this forward. Acknowledging the concerns of backbenchers in England

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who do not object to additional powers but were frustrated that that

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may leave England and other parts of the UK on the sidelines. I believe

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what he has done today is demonstrate to the people of

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Scotland that he has acknowledged the result, listened to the result,

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and he is now determined to see that the agenda goes forward with the

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party leaders. And we are very enthusiastic about it. I think that

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is the difference this time around. The Unionist parties are

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enthusiastic about the Scottish Parliament. Do you agree that this

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is the last chance saloon for the union? I do not see it like that.

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This was a debate of a lifetime and that. This was a debate of a

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lifetime and etiquette has resolved the issue for a lifetime. It is

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pretty decisive. The last campaign with this fanfare was the Barack

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Obama presidential election and he only won by six points, described as

:53:27.:53:30.

a landslide. We're not using this language but it was a decisive

:53:31.:53:34.

result. I think it is better that it was because I think it would have

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been more divisive for people to come together if people had seen a

:53:38.:53:41.

narrow result. He might have thought, if only we had done a bit

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more. I don't want to be churlish but some people in the no

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campaigners said they had to get a better result than this for it to be

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landing M80 but we absolutely accept the results. 45% is very

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respectable. In the face of some of the scaremongering we encountered.

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Will there be another referendum? If there is no challenge, then there

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must be change. We have prevented that challenge and it will lead to

:54:13.:54:15.

change in Scotland. Westminster has to respond accordingly, because

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there will be consequences if they do not because the people will not

:54:21.:54:25.

have the issue forgotten. This is not the end of Scotland's

:54:26.:54:29.

constitutional journey. In fact it is a exciting new phase. You could

:54:30.:54:32.

see a push for another referendum from the SMB? The First Minister

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said that this was a once in a generation opportunity that said, I

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will make it clear that Westminster is not off the hook. Westminster

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must deliver on what the people have asked for. Finally, there has been a

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genuinely inspiring national conversation and many people have

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referred to it. How is that going to continue? There is a sense of

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reinvigorated democratic energy in Scotland. Will you play a part in

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making that continue? Absolutely. We want to embrace that in the

:55:11.:55:12.

discussion that happens going forward. But we should also be

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honest enough to say that when you ask people an important question,

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that is when they get engaged. Thank you both. And that is it from

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Reporting Scotland, a specially extended lunch time special. This

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evening's programme will also be one hour along with more reflection and

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analysis. One out, a reminder of how this momentous story about the

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future of Scotland unfolded. Morning.

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Today is a momentous results for Scotland and also the United Kingdom

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as a whole. We have reaffirmed all that we have in common and the bonds

:56:35.:56:38.

that tie us together. Let them never be broken. APPLAUSE. On the half of

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the Scottish government, I accept the result. The Unionist parties

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made those late in the campaign to devolve more powers to Scotland.

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Vows. Scotland will expected these to be honoured in rapid course.

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I did not want independence at any point. I thought it was a very good

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opportunity and it is sad that we have missed out on it. I've stayed

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up all night. I am relieved. I am really, really disappointed.

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