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Good afternoon. The headlines on this specially extended edition of | :00:16. | :00:27. | |
Lunch time Reporting Scotland... The nation has spoken, and it has | :00:28. | :00:30. | |
rejected the idea of Scottish independence. As the results came in | :00:31. | :00:35. | |
last night, it became clear that Better Together had a comfortable | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
lead. They ended up with 55% of the vote. We have chosen unity over | :00:40. | :00:46. | |
division, and positive change rather than needless separation. For the | :00:47. | :00:53. | |
yes campaign, it was a night of supreme disappointment, only cheered | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
by victories in Glasgow, Dundee, Lanarkshire and West Dunbartonshire. | :00:58. | :01:03. | |
Let us not to well on the distance we have fallen short, let us dwell | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
on the distance we have travelled, and have confidence that the | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
movement is abroad in Scotland that will take this nation forward, and | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
we shall go forward, as one nation. The Prime Minister, David Cameron, | :01:18. | :01:23. | |
said the issue had been settled for a generation, but he said new powers | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
which had been pledged would be honoured rapidly. The three | :01:28. | :01:33. | |
pro-union parties have made clear commitments on further powers for | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
the Scottish Parliament. We will make sure that those commitments are | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
honoured in full. Independence supporters continued to party with | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
defiance right through breakfast time. We will assess how the huge | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
turnout affects the future of all of Scotland. When it became apparent | :01:51. | :01:59. | |
they were not getting a landslide victory, that is when the Val came | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
in, and the promise of more powers. Total garbage. As of right now, I | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
feel better as being part of the UK. Hello and welcome to this specially | :02:08. | :02:21. | |
extended Reporting Scotland. The nation has voted and rejected | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
independence. Over the next 60 minutes, we will give you a | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
comprehensive overview of what happened overnight and this morning, | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
and what it means for the people of Scotland and the UK as a whole. We | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
will hear from the victorious Better Together Campaign team, we will get | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
a analysis from Holyrood and Downing Street and we will examine what is | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
next for the SNP, as the party of government in this country, and its | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
leader, Alex Hammond. Kevin Keen has the story of how the night unfolded. | :02:49. | :03:08. | |
Yes, 114,148... This is the moment when the referendum result was | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
confirmed. 140,000 voters in Fife would take the no support across the | :03:15. | :03:22. | |
finish line. Soon afterwards, the First Minister accepted the result | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
and praised the people of Scotland for an 86% turnout. But he had this | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
message for his Westminster counterparts. On behalf of the | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
Scottish Government, I accept the result and I pledge to work | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
constructively, in the interests of Scotland and the rest of the United | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
Kingdom. Secondly, the unionist parties made vows late in the | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
campaign to devolve more powers to Scotland. Scotland will expect the | :03:50. | :03:59. | |
East to be honoured in rapid course. The Prime Minister went further, | :04:00. | :04:01. | |
announcing powers being devolved to all four nations on the same time | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
scale to that being offered to Scotland. Lord Smith of Kelvin, who | :04:06. | :04:12. | |
so successfully led Glasgow's Commonwealth Games, has agreed to | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
oversee the process to take forward these devolution commitments, with | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
powers over tax, spending and welfare, all agreed by November, and | :04:21. | :04:23. | |
draft legislation published by January. Just as the people of | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
Scotland will have more power over their affairs, so it follows that | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
the people of England, Wales and Northern Ireland must have a bigger | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
say over theirs. This had been a long night, and it would be several | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
hours before the picture would become clear. Among the first to | :04:43. | :04:51. | |
declare where the islands, with the Western Isles result initially | :04:52. | :04:58. | |
coming in Gaelic. The language might have been different, but the result | :04:59. | :05:04. | |
was the same - still nothing for the yes side. The face of the campaign | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
chairman appeared to say it all. On the streets of Glasgow, though, the | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
initial losing streak did not dampen the party atmosphere. Hundreds were | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
in George Square to mark an important day in Scotland's history. | :05:19. | :05:25. | |
Spirits here were nothing but high. Dundee was the first to go to the | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
yes side. It was decisive and made it neck and neck. And then the | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
biggest moment of the night, when the yes side took the lead - for a | :05:35. | :05:46. | |
full five minutes. But then it would crumble. | :05:47. | :06:03. | |
No, 70,039... The 32 counts went off almost flawlessly, excepting Dundee, | :06:04. | :06:17. | |
where a fire alarm twice forced the evacuation of the counting hall. A | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
few brave police officers guarded the ballot papers until the counters | :06:21. | :06:26. | |
returned. In response to the referendum question, should Scotland | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
be an independent country, it went in favour of no. By the time Mary | :06:32. | :06:37. | |
Pitcaithly made her declaration, it was all long over. So, who voted no | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
and who voted yes? Let's attempt to give you a more detailed idea. Our | :06:45. | :06:52. | |
correspondent David Henderson is here. Well, here is the headline | :06:53. | :06:59. | |
result. It is all that matters in the end. 55% of Scots voters said no | :07:00. | :07:06. | |
to independence. Almost 45% voted yes. So, a decisive win for the | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
Better Together Campaign, and that is on a massive turnout, almost | :07:11. | :07:18. | |
85%. If you were 16 or over, you had a vote for the first time. You have | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
to go back 60 years or more to get something similar, which shows how | :07:24. | :07:26. | |
seriously everyone took this campaign. In the event, more than 2 | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
million people voted no to independence. Let's not forget, | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
there is still strong support for independence, more than 1.6 million | :07:37. | :07:43. | |
people. So, let's have a look at who voted and where. Remember, this was | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
a national vote but it was counted across Scotland's 32 local | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
authorities. Some big, some small, and this gives us a good idea about | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
how the rival campaigns got on. A wash of red shows the no vote. The | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
yes campaign took Glasgow, the local authority deep area with the biggest | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
population in Scotland, normally seen as a Labour stronghold - not | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
last night. Also, a thumping vote in Dundee. West Dunbartonshire also | :08:17. | :08:27. | |
went to the yes campaign. And North Lanarkshire as well. But across the | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
rest of the country, you can see from the colour, it was the no | :08:31. | :08:33. | |
campaign which won the majority of the vote. In ten areas, they got | :08:34. | :08:39. | |
more than 60% support. Let's have a look at one of them, the capital | :08:40. | :08:40. | |
city, Edinburgh. Looking at the full round-up, back | :08:41. | :08:55. | |
to the West Coast, much of Glasgow's commuter belt, the likes | :08:56. | :08:58. | |
of East Renfrewshire, let's look at that. Again, delivering a thumping | :08:59. | :09:08. | |
no vote. 63% against. We knew before the referendum that the challenge | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
for the yes campaign was winning over groups who were unconvinced. | :09:12. | :09:18. | |
How did they fear? The yes vote was higher in more deprived parts of the | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
country, places like Dundee. And Glasgow. Middle-class areas, more | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
likely to vote against independence. And rural voters in Perth and | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
Kinross, Stirling, the Murray first, more likely to vote no. Clear signs | :09:34. | :09:40. | |
that pensioners did not back the campaign in anything like the same | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
numbers as young voters. Huge contrasts across the country between | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
less well off and well off, and the young and old, between town and | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
country. But that is the number that really matters. The Better Together | :09:55. | :10:02. | |
campaign wins decisively. Tim Reid is with me here. The no | :10:03. | :10:10. | |
campaign won by promising more devolution. They all have offers, | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
the main parties, but they are different. The main parties have | :10:16. | :10:17. | |
guaranteed further powers but we do not know what further powers to | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
cause labour, the Lib Dems and the Conservatives do not agree. They | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
have different plans. They have promised to start the consultation | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
process to date and David Cameron has pledged that it will mean change | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
in governance for the rest of the UK. There is already clamour for | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
further powers for Northern Ireland and Wales. Mr Cameron has said he | :10:37. | :10:43. | |
will provide an answer to the West Lothian question, so does that mean | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
that Scottish MPs cannot vote to British matters? And although the | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
yes campaign has lost the referendum they believe that with 1.5 million | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
voters they have a mandate to push for further powers. They have said | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
that they will put their shoulder to the wheel and join the other parties | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
in looking for this but I think that the pressing matter will be for them | :11:05. | :11:10. | |
to try to get these powers in the short-term and for Scotland, it is | :11:11. | :11:13. | |
going to be on Gordon Brown's timetable. Legislation drafted by | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
January, but it will be before the 2015 election for that is in the | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
statue books. A lot can happen before then. -- statute books. A | :11:22. | :11:30. | |
vast process for the man with the job on his hands. Indeed. And he | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
managed to have a Commonwealth Games in Glasgow to meet tight timetable. | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
Presumably that is what David Cameron is hoping will happen here. | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
-- to a tight timetable. What will the parties agree before the | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
election? Time will tell. What about the SNP? Alex Salmond is still in | :11:50. | :11:56. | |
charge of Scotland. What happens now? That remains to be answered. | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
The independence case has been lost for the moment. Alex Salmond has | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
promised to accept and abide by that outcome but also says that he will | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
be pushing for those powers. Will there be a postmortem and questions | :12:11. | :12:13. | |
about the strategy employed by the SNP leadership? Would they have done | :12:14. | :12:20. | |
better if they had come up with a currency union alternative, as they | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
pressed for? Those questions will perhaps be asked at the SNP | :12:25. | :12:28. | |
conference in October. The other parties have got their conferences | :12:29. | :12:35. | |
starting this weekend. I think that there is lots to discuss. At the | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
moment, the SNP government is popular and Alex Salmond has said | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
that he will stay on and see out his term. But will hardline nationalists | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
question that strategy? Will you decide to go before 2016? I'm joined | :12:49. | :12:54. | |
by the writer and portico commentator, Gerry Hassan, and the | :12:55. | :12:57. | |
junior shadow defence minister and Labour MP for western partnership, | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
Gemma Doyle. -- West Dunbartonshire. We do not know yet what the | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
coordinated body of powers will be that comes to Scotland eventually. | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
What contribution is Labour going to make now to fulfilling those that | :13:13. | :13:22. | |
were made before the vote? Actually, the three parties set out quite | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
detailed... And different plans. Not a huge amount of difference. That | :13:28. | :13:33. | |
was done a few months ago. The process is now about sitting down | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
together and coming to a joint proposal. I hope that will be | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
possible. The Labour proposal was arguably the weakest of the three. | :13:42. | :13:49. | |
The tamest. And Labour willing to compromise? -- Labour are willing to | :13:50. | :13:55. | |
compromise? And we are willing to have discussions and hope the SNP | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
will join in. In the past, they have not wanted to join in. But we need | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
everyone around table and we are willing to look at what is there and | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
talk to people about how we take this forward. Gerry Hassan, it is | :14:09. | :14:16. | |
going to be an incredibly difficult ask as everybody recognises, to | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
bring together the different offers. To bring the SNP into the | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
next, and to get it done at the same time as giving devolved powers south | :14:25. | :14:31. | |
of the border. -- into the net. What are the chances of this being done | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
within the timescale? I think this timescale has to be looked at, not | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
unquestioning, but the timescale is a bit like the way that Westminster | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
has done the European referendum question. Some of this is about | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
positioning substance, to be seen to be doing something, and answering a | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
real demand for more powers in Scotland. So that is the first | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
thing. Then, there is the different proposition between the three | :14:58. | :15:00. | |
prounion parties. We have the paradox that the party that was | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
against devolution, the Tories, have put forward the most coherent and | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
radical proposals. It may well be that the more radical proposals from | :15:10. | :15:12. | |
the Lib Dems and Tories are the ones that form what is on offer. But this | :15:13. | :15:19. | |
is not just about the constitution, it is about economic and social | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
justice and how that is done in Britain. It cannot be a narrow, | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
constitutional debate because that is not what the people of Scotland | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
or the UK are looking for. It is not just about more powers, that does | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
not have popular resonance. It has to touch wider issues, which is | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
where the prounion parties and the SNP have to go. How much are you in | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
touch, Gemma Doyle, with what the people of Scotland are aspiring to | :15:46. | :15:51. | |
and feeling the way towards? You lost great swathes of people that | :15:52. | :15:58. | |
the Labour Party is traditionally associated with supporting and | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
inspiring. And they clearly did not believe that you could help them | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
towards a better life. I have been on the door is four-month stay in | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
and day out. I think we have a pretty good sense of what people | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
were looking for. -- I have been on the doors day in and day out. Most | :16:18. | :16:25. | |
people said to me it is not about a party. Think a lot of people were | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
looking for change. This is a deeply unpopular Conservative government. I | :16:31. | :16:33. | |
understand people saying, where do we get the change from? My message | :16:34. | :16:36. | |
is that the Labour Party have the policies to make a difference to | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
people's lives and that is what we are campaigning for. Let's get a | :16:41. | :16:47. | |
picture of what is happening at Holyrood after the vote. We know | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
that it will continue to be Scotland's devolved parliament | :16:53. | :16:54. | |
although the plan is for more powers to move there from Westminster. Our | :16:55. | :17:00. | |
political reporter is there for us. What is the mood there this morning? | :17:01. | :17:07. | |
Actually, it is fairly quiet at Holyrood now. There was an all-night | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
vigil with people, yes supporters, keeping the flame of independence | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
alive. But they left pretty despondent this morning. As dawn | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
broke on and tumble morning. I'm joined by the finance secretary, | :17:23. | :17:32. | |
John Swinney. -- and ought on the morning. You must be personally | :17:33. | :17:35. | |
devastated by the result? I am deeply saddened by the result. I am | :17:36. | :17:38. | |
deeply saddened by the result. I've spent my adult life aiming for | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
Scottish independence. Yesterday was a day of great joy because I'd got | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
to vote quietly in the village hall along from my house for Scottish | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
independence, and also had to come to terms with the fact that we did | :17:54. | :17:56. | |
not make it. But we did win the support of 1.6 million fellow | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
citizens for Scottish independence. And we also demonstrated beyond any | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
question that this country is able to handle the biggest of all | :18:07. | :18:09. | |
debates, that we could handle it well and courteously, and we had an | :18:10. | :18:15. | |
enormous turnout. 85% of the public who were eligible to vote came out | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
and voted and that is a triumph for democracy. An impressive turnout for | :18:20. | :18:23. | |
yes, but there was still ten points between you and the no campaign. | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
Yes. But several weeks ago we were 20 points adrift. And we got very | :18:29. | :18:38. | |
close, it was 51-49 at one point. And what made it settle at 45-55 was | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
the offer of additional powers for the Scottish Parliament given | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
solemnly to the people of Scotland by the Westminster parties. The | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
crucial point that comes out of the referendum is that those powers must | :18:53. | :18:54. | |
be delivered because they were solemnly offered in a swift and | :18:55. | :19:01. | |
quick timescale, a reliable timescale, and that has to be | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
fulfilled by the UK parties. But we hear the promise today that they | :19:06. | :19:08. | |
will be fulfilled. By now you want to hold them to account but it | :19:09. | :19:11. | |
sounds like those promises will be capped. They have to be capped and | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
within the timescale in which they were offered because that factor, | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
and eye could see it in the last few days of the referendum, people | :19:22. | :19:24. | |
thinking of voting yes because they want the parliament to decide more | :19:25. | :19:27. | |
issues that affect their lives, tackling inequality, creating jobs, | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
protecting our vital public services, they want the parliament | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
to have those powers. And the key conclusion that must be drawn from | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
the referendum result is that the people of Scotland, the 1.6 million | :19:42. | :19:45. | |
that voted for what I believe in, Scottish independence, the 1.9 | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
million afforded in favour of the no campaign, they voted to get extra | :19:52. | :19:57. | |
powers. But the no camp was not necessarily voting for more powers. | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
Wait a minute, wait a minute. The people were told that if you vote | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
no, you are not footing for no change, you are voting for extra | :20:06. | :20:07. | |
powers. That could not have been made clear. It was made either the | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
Prime Minister, the leader of the opposition, Alistair Darling, Gordon | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
Brown. They queued up and they now have to deliver. The desire for | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
change as you see it, you had the perfect storm for independence. You | :20:20. | :20:26. | |
had a Tory Prime Minister, Eton educated, austerity, the bedroom | :20:27. | :20:32. | |
tax, and yet you still did not manage to get over the line. We did | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
fantastically well. 45% of the vote, I will not deny the reality. There | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
is no one more disappointed in Scotland today than me. Why would | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
love to have won. But we gave it our best. -- I would love to have won. | :20:47. | :20:52. | |
We made the best arguments, the most rational point is that we could | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
advance. The greatest energy of a fabulous grassroots campaign across | :20:57. | :21:02. | |
the country. Yes, it involved the SMB and it motivated and thousands | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
of my fellow citizens to take the future of our country into our own | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
hands and we got very close. And I am proud of that fact. It was an | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
impressive campaign on the ground but do you think that sometimes the | :21:16. | :21:18. | |
independence campaign was promising too much to everyone? You could have | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
independence and heaven and earth. We did not say that. We said it was | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
not a magic wand. We promised people hope and ambition. And who should | :21:31. | :21:33. | |
not have hope and ambition? We should all have it. And the | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
conclusion of the referendum yesterday is a triumph for | :21:38. | :21:40. | |
democracy. 85% of eligible electorate turned out to vote. We do | :21:41. | :21:44. | |
not get that for British general elections. We have not got that | :21:45. | :21:51. | |
since before I was born. Now that we have seen that strong expression of | :21:52. | :21:54. | |
democratic will by the people of Scotland, the propositions that were | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
put forward by the UK parties must now be fulfilled. A difficult day | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
for you, Mr Swinney. Thank you for joining us. Activist Judy. -- back | :22:04. | :22:12. | |
to the studio. David Cameron has been to Scotland | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
several times over the last few weeks, making impassioned pleas for | :22:17. | :22:19. | |
Scots to vote no. Enough of them did. Today, David Cameron told | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
people who had voted yes that he heard what they were saying. He made | :22:25. | :22:27. | |
a strong commitment to honouring the vote for devolution. -- the valve. | :22:28. | :22:38. | |
The people of Scotland have spoken, and it is a clear result. They have | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
kept our country of four nations together, and like millions of other | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
people, I am delighted. As I said during the campaign, it would have | :22:49. | :22:51. | |
broken my heart to see the united England come to an end. Let us also | :22:52. | :22:57. | |
remember why it was white to ask the definitive question, yes or no. | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
Because now, the debate has been settled for a generation, or, as | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
Alex Hammond has said, perhaps for a lifetime. So, there can be no | :23:06. | :23:12. | |
dispute, no rerun, we have heard the settled will of the Scottish people. | :23:13. | :23:18. | |
To those in Scotland sceptical of the constitutional promises that | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
were made, let me say this. We have delivered on devolution under this | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
government, and we will do so again in the next Parliament. The three | :23:27. | :23:32. | |
pro-union parties have made commitments, clear commitments, on | :23:33. | :23:34. | |
further powers for the Scottish Parliament. We will make sure that | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
those commitments are honoured in full. And I can announce today that | :23:39. | :23:46. | |
Lord Smith of Kelvin, who so successfully led Glasgow's | :23:47. | :23:49. | |
Commonwealth Games, has agreed to oversee the process to take forward | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
these devolution commitments, with powers over tax, spending and | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
welfare, all agreed by November, and draft legislation published by | :24:00. | :24:02. | |
January. This referendum has been hard-fought. It has stirred strong | :24:03. | :24:10. | |
passions. It has electrified politics in Scotland and caught the | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
imagination of people across the whole of our United Kingdom. It will | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
be remembered as a powerful demonstration of the strength and | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
vitality of our ancient democracy. Record numbers registered to vote, | :24:23. | :24:27. | |
and record numbers cast their vote. We should all be proud of that. It | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
has reminded us how fortunate we are that we are able to settle these | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
vital issues at the ballot box, peacefully and calmly. Now, we must | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
look forward and turn this into the moment when everyone, whichever way | :24:44. | :24:46. | |
they voted, comes together to build that better, brighter future for our | :24:47. | :24:56. | |
entire United Kingdom. Our Westminster correspondent David | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
Porter is at Downing Street. David, that was a relieved man, David | :25:02. | :25:04. | |
Cameron there are, this morning, wasn't it? It was. That is the | :25:05. | :25:12. | |
overwhelming emotion. It was almost an audible sigh of relief, when they | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
found out that Scotland was not going to vote for independence. It | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
has been a pretty extraordinary 24 hours. David Cameron did not know if | :25:21. | :25:30. | |
the UK was going to be dissolved this morning, whether Scotland was | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
going to say it wanted to go its own way, and whether David Cameron would | :25:35. | :25:37. | |
be facing calls from his own back inches to go this morning, because | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
he had lost the union. That did not happen. That place behind me has | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
seen some pretty momentous events over the years, and I think what we | :25:47. | :25:50. | |
have seen in the last 24 hours is up with those. In effect, what we now | :25:51. | :25:57. | |
have, following David Cameron's announcement, is a constitutional | :25:58. | :26:00. | |
building site. We do not have definite plans, we have vague | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
sketches. Now, they have to put those sketches into plans and | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
deliver them, on a quick timescale as well. There is scepticism that he | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
and his coalition government can push this through in the time | :26:14. | :26:21. | |
available as well? Yes, we are talking about multifaceted | :26:22. | :26:24. | |
constitutional change, affecting the whole of the UK. They say that they | :26:25. | :26:31. | |
want to get some ideas by November, they want draft legislation by | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
January. That is fine, and we have a general election which will get in | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
the way of that, so it is virtually impossible that we will get | :26:41. | :26:43. | |
legislation on the statute books for the general election. I say that | :26:44. | :26:48. | |
because MPs will want to scrutinise it very carefully. Also, the House | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
of Lords will want to look at it, and they love looking in detail at | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
constitutional reform. So, the likelihood is that the new | :26:59. | :27:01. | |
government which comes in at Westminster, whatever complexion it | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
is, will be signed up to constitutional reform. It will be | :27:06. | :27:08. | |
for the next Parliament at Westminster to deliver that, but it | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
will not be easy. There are many Conservative backbenchers who say, | :27:13. | :27:16. | |
we are happy for Scotland to have more powers, but we also want | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
England to have more powers, and we have our old friend, the West | :27:20. | :27:26. | |
Lothian question, regarding how the Scottish MPs vote. It will not be | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
easy, it will not be quick, to sort this out. But there will be people | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
in Downing Street tonight who will be sleeping a lot easier than they | :27:35. | :27:41. | |
did last night. Thank you very much. We will have more analysis of what | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
this means for Scotland in the next half-hour of this specially extended | :27:46. | :27:49. | |
Reporting Scotland. First, the weather continues as normal, and so | :27:50. | :27:56. | |
does Christopher, who has got the forecast. Fairly cloudy this | :27:57. | :28:02. | |
afternoon. Still fairly misty conditions across eastern parts of | :28:03. | :28:08. | |
the country. We will have some outbreaks of patchy rain across the | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
Highlands and Islands, working southwards and eastwards. Further | :28:13. | :28:19. | |
east, a bit cooler. Down the east coast, quite murky through the | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
afternoon. This cold front will be working south and eastwards, behind | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
it, cooler, fresher and brighter conditions. Brightening up across | :28:30. | :28:32. | |
the western Isles before dusk this evening. Elsewhere, through the | :28:33. | :28:43. | |
central belt and the south, fairly cloudy, misty and the Key. Further | :28:44. | :28:50. | |
north, quite chilly at times. To the weekend, brighter than recent days, | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
and generally fresher, too, but still rather settled, thanks to the | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
high pressure. Tomorrow morning, still quite cloudy through the | :29:02. | :29:04. | |
central belt and the south, with light morning rain, which pushes | :29:05. | :29:13. | |
away. : Firstly, in the north-west, tending to cloud over. Temperatures, | :29:14. | :29:24. | |
up to the high teens. Overnight, some clear skies and it could be | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
quite chilly, certainly in the countryside. On Sunday, that high | :29:29. | :29:35. | |
pressure is firmly in charge. Sunday will be reasonably dry with some | :29:36. | :29:43. | |
bright and sunny spells. Temperature wise, 16-18 Celsius. Monday, once | :29:44. | :29:50. | |
again, reasonably dry and bright through the central belt and the | :29:51. | :29:53. | |
south and east. That is the forecast. | :29:54. | :29:59. | |
You are watching a specially extended referendum special of | :30:00. | :30:06. | |
Reporting Scotland. As we have seen, Scots have been engaged in | :30:07. | :30:10. | |
this debate in a way which has seldom been seen before. We have | :30:11. | :30:15. | |
heard from the politicians, but how have the people of Scotland reacted | :30:16. | :30:21. | |
to last night's vote? As Scotland woke up to a no vote, it | :30:22. | :30:24. | |
brought both jubilation and devastation. Such was the passion in | :30:25. | :30:31. | |
this campaign, today was always going to be painful for the side | :30:32. | :30:39. | |
that lost. Absolutely gutted. Eich cannot believe 55% of Scotland voted | :30:40. | :30:43. | |
against our country being a country. It just does not make sense to me. | :30:44. | :30:49. | |
Control of our own affairs, it was on a plate for us, we should have | :30:50. | :30:54. | |
had it. For many know supporters, it was a time to breathe a sigh of | :30:55. | :31:03. | |
relief. Absolutely delighted. I was hoping that the union would stay | :31:04. | :31:09. | |
together. It is more of a relief situation, rather than, oh, dear, | :31:10. | :31:18. | |
what is going to happen? Everybody is taking a step back and thinking, | :31:19. | :31:24. | |
we have got a strong society. George Square in Glasgow was a rallying | :31:25. | :31:27. | |
point for supporters of independence. This morning, the | :31:28. | :31:30. | |
result was too much for some to bear. | :31:31. | :31:37. | |
Decisions meant for Scotland should be made in Scotland. I am really | :31:38. | :31:41. | |
disappointed I genuinely thought it was going to be a yes. I hope that | :31:42. | :31:46. | |
we get more powers, and I hope that stuff happens. For those who | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
campaigned so hard, the dream had slipped through their fingers. | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
Beyond devastated. I thought we had a chance of something special. We | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
created something special with the grassroots movement, and I still | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
think we can build on it. Others believe that every voter can gain | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
from this result. The winner is in social democracy, no question. We | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
have shown it. It is the politics of the people, as opposed to the | :32:13. | :32:18. | |
politics of the parliamentarians. I think the political establishment of | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
Westminster has really come under severe scrutiny. The Better Together | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
supporters believe the result vindicated their quieter, more | :32:28. | :32:31. | |
low-key campaign, which played up the risks of independence grumpy | :32:32. | :32:36. | |
people who were yes voters, when they came high street in the last | :32:37. | :32:41. | |
few days, with placards waving in their face, they thought, this is | :32:42. | :32:47. | |
not the Scotland I want. In fact, attack ticks by the SNP have | :32:48. | :32:55. | |
persuaded many voters to vote no. This referendum is supposed to | :32:56. | :33:00. | |
settle the issue for a generation, but there are many who have been | :33:01. | :33:03. | |
left unsatisfied by Scotland's choice. What about the campaign | :33:04. | :33:15. | |
whose message prevailed, Better Together? They were often viewed as | :33:16. | :33:18. | |
not as visible or effective on the ground as their opponents, but they | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
won in the end, I10 percentage points. Our correspondent is at | :33:23. | :33:28. | |
their headquarters in Glasgow. They are probably all asleep? Yes, in a | :33:29. | :33:39. | |
word the mood is quiet. In the heart of Glasgow, just outside the | :33:40. | :33:45. | |
headquarters, the lights are on, but nobody is home at the moment. They | :33:46. | :33:49. | |
do have other offices, but they are empty at the moment as well. John | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
Reid, the last to together big beast who we heard from, I spoke to him at | :33:56. | :33:59. | |
ten o'clock this morning, by which time he had been on his feet for 27 | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
hours. Perhaps we cannot begrudge them a little bit of sleep. I am | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
joined by the political correspondent from the Glasgow | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
evening times, Stuart Paterson. Thank you for staying up with us | :34:14. | :34:19. | |
first of all. Better Together, it got a lot of criticism along the | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
way, and yet it prevailed How Do You Analyse That? Ultimately, The Only | :34:24. | :34:29. | |
Poll That Matters Is The Final Result, So Better Together Are The | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
Ones Celebrating. But if you look at the direction of travel of the | :34:35. | :34:37. | |
campaigns, but together were trying to hold on their support, and yes | :34:38. | :34:41. | |
Scotland was chipping away at it, and they did so very successfully. | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
It was only in the last few days that Better Together started to get | :34:47. | :34:50. | |
their Key messages through, that there were risks. They started to | :34:51. | :34:56. | |
increase the family of nations idea and the benefits of the UK. Both of | :34:57. | :35:01. | |
them together started to make an impact, and I think that was perhaps | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
what did it. A lot of people felt it was quite a negative campaign at | :35:07. | :35:11. | |
times, the Better Together Campaign, and obviously it has won, | :35:12. | :35:16. | |
does that show that negativity pays? Perhaps. As I say, they emphasised | :35:17. | :35:24. | |
the risks of leaving the UK, bit too much in the early part of the | :35:25. | :35:28. | |
campaign. That was why the yes campaign was able to say they were | :35:29. | :35:32. | |
negative. People were saying Labour was in bed with the Tories, and | :35:33. | :35:37. | |
saying that it was a Westminster elite telling Scotland what to do. | :35:38. | :35:41. | |
But once they started to introduce the family of nations idea, the | :35:42. | :35:45. | |
NHS, the Armed Forces, the benefits of written, the perceived benefits, | :35:46. | :35:51. | |
then that did start to make a difference. When the Prime Minister | :35:52. | :35:54. | |
came up last week, which normally you would think would do nothing, | :35:55. | :35:58. | |
other than increase a yes vote, he changed his message, and it was not | :35:59. | :36:03. | |
like when George Osborne came and said, you cannot have the pound, we | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
are telling you what to do... This was a plea from the rest of the UK | :36:09. | :36:13. | |
to say, these stay with us, presenting a softer side. It may not | :36:14. | :36:16. | |
have worked all over the country, but I think it worked in enough | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
places to hold the vote together. Thank you very much for joining us. | :36:22. | :36:28. | |
No signs of life at the moment. I am sure that will change later in the | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
day. Well, it is business as usual | :36:33. | :36:36. | |
today, according to RBS and others in the financial services. Today, | :36:37. | :36:42. | |
our economics correspondent has been gauging business and market | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
reaction. You are joining us here in a very | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
drizzly Edinburgh this morning, with three guests. First of all, Brian | :36:51. | :36:59. | |
Souter, 1 of Scotland's most famous entrepreneurs - what is your | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
reaction this morning? Initially, it was one of disappointment, because I | :37:05. | :37:10. | |
supported independence. But as I reflect on the journey we have come | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
on, I feel we have achieved a great deal, we have guaranteed that the | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
Barnett formula will be continued, which is very important for funding | :37:20. | :37:25. | |
health care and education. There was talk of that being abandoned. We | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
have also got a promise of more powers, and we will hold the | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
unionist parties to that promise. And also, we have had an amazing | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
flowering of democracy. This has acted as a catalyst, and we have had | :37:38. | :37:45. | |
people engaging and voting who have not voted for 30-40 years. The | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
turnout has been amazing. I feel the whole of the UK will benefit. | :37:51. | :37:53. | |
Nothing will really be the same again. You personally gave ?1 | :37:54. | :37:59. | |
million to the SNP as part of the yes campaign, was it well spent? I | :38:00. | :38:07. | |
think it was. The yes campaign ran an amazing campaign, which was very | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
positive. When we started this process two years ago, we were | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
polling about 30% for independence, and we have just got 45%. It is an | :38:17. | :38:22. | |
amazing achievement. The Key issue is that we have got another 400,000 | :38:23. | :38:28. | |
people onto the voting register, and most of these people were | :38:29. | :38:34. | |
disenfranchised. A lot of them you would describe as urban poor. That | :38:35. | :38:38. | |
is where a lot of the yes vote was lying. I think if these people are | :38:39. | :38:42. | |
re-engaged with politics, and we can keep them voting, then I think it | :38:43. | :38:44. | |
would be a price worth paying. And enterprise. In the vocal about | :38:45. | :38:58. | |
your concerns and those of the financial industry around | :38:59. | :39:01. | |
independence. What is your reaction? Any of the uncertainties that would | :39:02. | :39:07. | |
have been created by a yes vote will now no longer concern us and our | :39:08. | :39:11. | |
businesses looking to the future and making the most of our assets as one | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
of the best juristic chins in the world for the conduct of financial | :39:16. | :39:18. | |
services. There are more powers to come and that has been made clear. | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
The Prime Minister repeated that this morning. We look forward in | :39:23. | :39:25. | |
participating with those discussions. The big questions that | :39:26. | :39:29. | |
were leading companies to make contingency plans around currency | :39:30. | :39:32. | |
and financial regulation, those big issues for our industry have now | :39:33. | :39:38. | |
receded and we can focus on the future and taking advantage of the | :39:39. | :39:41. | |
many opportunities we have as part of the UK. We have heard from plenty | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
of companies this morning, including RBS are saying that their | :39:47. | :39:49. | |
contingency plans are not needed. Business as usual? To some extent, | :39:50. | :39:55. | |
yes. There are market opportunities and we are incredibly well placed to | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
take advantage of them. This has been a necessary and valuable | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
process. It has brought up interesting points of discussion for | :40:04. | :40:06. | |
the industry and for the population as a whole. But as I say, what we | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
can confirm is that we are part of the UK, part of that jurisdictional | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
framework. We are one of the most sustainable in the world. And we are | :40:17. | :40:21. | |
looking forward to the future. And finally, and Richards from Aberdeen | :40:22. | :40:28. | |
Asset Management. The currency market opened strong this morning. | :40:29. | :40:33. | |
The pound is trading high against the euro and the dollar. Is that a | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
reaction to the vote? I think the market was broadly expecting a no | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
vote, so that is how we were positioned across the markets. I | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
think what you were seeing is partly relief from that, but also a | :40:47. | :40:49. | |
reflection of what is going on in the wider market. From your point of | :40:50. | :40:55. | |
view, you tread a careful line throughout the referendum debate. | :40:56. | :41:00. | |
What happens to your company, going forwards? As you have been hearing, | :41:01. | :41:05. | |
it is business as usual. We felt that Scotland would flourish one way | :41:06. | :41:09. | |
or another, regardless. We are obviously pleased to be continuing | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
to be part of the UK, to be able to do business across one United | :41:14. | :41:16. | |
Kingdom in terms of goods and services. Future will continue to | :41:17. | :41:19. | |
bring challenges and we will need them as and when. It literally is | :41:20. | :41:25. | |
business as usual for people in Edinburgh with plenty of people | :41:26. | :41:27. | |
heading into the office back into work on this interesting morning, as | :41:28. | :41:32. | |
we see things panning out for the business community here in | :41:33. | :41:37. | |
Edinburgh. Straight back to our political reporter, Andrew Kaar, and | :41:38. | :41:44. | |
the Scottish Parliament. Earlier, we heard from John Swinney, and I'm now | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
joined by the leader of the Scottish LeBron Democrats, Willie Rennie, a | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
key figure in Better Together. Thank you for joining us. What is the mood | :41:53. | :41:55. | |
of this afternoon two gleeful, gloating? Relief, I think. Scotland | :41:56. | :42:02. | |
has made the right decision. Britain will never be the same again. There | :42:03. | :42:09. | |
are reverberations throughout the UK already. The Prime Minister has | :42:10. | :42:13. | |
reacted immediately and Nick Clegg was up here making the same point. | :42:14. | :42:18. | |
They have appointed chairman to the commission that will move forward | :42:19. | :42:22. | |
the more powers agenda. I want to pick up, 1.5 million people in | :42:23. | :42:26. | |
Scotland looking for independence. The city of Glasgow wanted | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
independence. This is a wake-up call for the union. Absolutely. We are | :42:31. | :42:36. | |
listening to what people have said and what they have expressed. And | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
what they have expressed is that they want change. The people who | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
voted no also want to change. That is what was on offer from the Better | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
Together camp. Substantial change. That is why we have to make sure | :42:51. | :42:54. | |
that this substantial change is a livered for the long-term to the | :42:55. | :43:00. | |
benefit of Scotland. So substantial change but three different offerings | :43:01. | :43:03. | |
from the three main prounion parties. How can you guarantee that | :43:04. | :43:09. | |
you do not just negotiate down to the lowest common to nominate? That | :43:10. | :43:13. | |
is not what this process is about. -- lowest common to nominate. John | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
Swinney and the SNP have joined the process, so for the first time, we | :43:19. | :43:23. | |
have all four parties in the room. I think that that creative energy that | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
has been handed to us by this referendum will mean that we can get | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
the missing powers from this parliament that will allow us to | :43:33. | :43:37. | |
have a flexible, agile Parliament to meet the needs of Scotland. It is a | :43:38. | :43:41. | |
tight timescale. Lord Smith has been appointed as a timekeeper character | :43:42. | :43:46. | |
to make sure you deliver. It is unrealistic, isn't it? Not at all. | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
We have been working on this process for three years. I asked Menzies | :43:53. | :43:55. | |
Campbell to write his report in 2011. The Tories and Labour Party | :43:56. | :44:02. | |
have done likewise. I'm sure that the SNP and the government have been | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
working up their own proposals, under the circumstances that they | :44:08. | :44:10. | |
were going to lose. I think that the technical work has been done. We | :44:11. | :44:15. | |
have to find out how to build the best possible package. I want the | :44:16. | :44:18. | |
Scottish Parliament to do something different. If people of Scotland | :44:19. | :44:22. | |
wants to do something different, they should have the powers to do | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
so. That is mainly about fundraising powers, so that we raise money we | :44:26. | :44:29. | |
spend here. So that we control the purse strings, and we can do | :44:30. | :44:35. | |
something different. We will have to leave it there. Thank you for | :44:36. | :44:38. | |
joining us. And with that, it is back to Sally in Glasgow. A | :44:39. | :44:46. | |
political campaign of unprecedented proportions, one that developed into | :44:47. | :44:49. | |
a genuine national conversation. Many hopes were raised, many | :44:50. | :44:53. | |
passions engaged. Our social affairs correspondent examines how the two | :44:54. | :45:01. | |
sides might be reconciled, and indeed if reconciliation is required | :45:02. | :45:08. | |
once the dust settles. We're best friends. Yes. The debate has always | :45:09. | :45:13. | |
been rigorous and rarely rancorous but there have been flash point | :45:14. | :45:20. | |
moments. I am Labour. Up here with your redcoats and your 30 pieces of | :45:21. | :45:29. | |
silver! 30 pieces of silver! I will give you 30 pieces of silver to shut | :45:30. | :45:34. | |
up. John Prescott was courting labour voters for the no campaign. | :45:35. | :45:39. | |
Such high-profile visitors have inevitably attracted | :45:40. | :45:40. | |
counterdemonstrations from the opposite side. | :45:41. | :45:49. | |
But with so many people prepared to come out onto the streets to show | :45:50. | :45:53. | |
their support for each camp, will it be possible for the country to come | :45:54. | :45:56. | |
together again now that the result is known? One big name in the | :45:57. | :46:02. | |
campaign, Margo MacDonald, has not been able to take part personally. | :46:03. | :46:05. | |
At her message has been taken around the country by her widower am I who | :46:06. | :46:09. | |
told her memorial service after her death offers -- of her hopes after | :46:10. | :46:16. | |
the result. That at one minute past ten, whatever the result, she wanted | :46:17. | :46:22. | |
those divisions to end and this nation to seek unity of purpose. | :46:23. | :46:26. | |
APPLAUSE. If she could debate without | :46:27. | :46:32. | |
conceding one iota of principle, but do so without venom, so can we all. | :46:33. | :46:38. | |
If she could respect the rights of the other side to their opinions, so | :46:39. | :46:44. | |
can we all. That is what happened in Quebec in | :46:45. | :46:52. | |
1995. The no campaign prevailed with a tiny margin, just 50,000 votes | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
from an electorate slightly larger in Scotland today. Observers say | :46:57. | :47:01. | |
that despite that, Canada was not written asunder, but there was | :47:02. | :47:06. | |
subsequent consensus that the referendum had been a vitally | :47:07. | :47:10. | |
important matter. There was a recognition that it had been a very | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
bruising experience for the electorate. It was a divisive issue. | :47:16. | :47:21. | |
It was a close result but a result that really mattered. It was not a | :47:22. | :47:27. | |
result that was close on an issue that was unimportant. One of the key | :47:28. | :47:30. | |
battle grounds in the referendum campaign has been business and | :47:31. | :47:32. | |
commerce. Business leaders insisted that uncertainty is what they are | :47:33. | :47:38. | |
poorer. Today, at least, there is certainty. -- that they are poorer. | :47:39. | :47:46. | |
The sooner that the Scottish government or the Westminster | :47:47. | :47:51. | |
government can actually provide real insight then, the sooner business | :47:52. | :47:57. | |
will be reassured and be able to pass on that reassurance to the | :47:58. | :48:00. | |
workforce and investors and, most importantly, to the customers to | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
demonstrate that Scotland remains a very, very good place to do | :48:06. | :48:11. | |
business. The Church of Scotland is holding a reconciliation service at | :48:12. | :48:13. | |
Saint Giles Cathedral in Edinburgh on Sunday the moderator believes | :48:14. | :48:16. | |
that the recent national conversation will leaves Scots | :48:17. | :48:23. | |
society stronger. The remarkable thing about the campaign is that | :48:24. | :48:26. | |
Sony people have been involved. Not in my lifetime has that been any | :48:27. | :48:32. | |
issue over which the civic voice of Scotland has been heard and saw | :48:33. | :48:37. | |
clearly. And when you have a process that generates that much involvement | :48:38. | :48:40. | |
and that much interest, it must be good. But what we need after the | :48:41. | :48:50. | |
referendum is the same amount of civic involvement but on the same | :48:51. | :48:56. | |
side. With a heavy turnout, it is inevitable that many people will be | :48:57. | :49:00. | |
disappointed today. Had that is managed holds the key to the future | :49:01. | :49:04. | |
for all of Scotland. -- how that is managed. | :49:05. | :49:10. | |
Man cast with -- asked with bringing the main parties together to agree | :49:11. | :49:13. | |
of what -- on what powers the Scottish Parliament should have is | :49:14. | :49:17. | |
Lord Kelvin. He says that although the timescale is short on confidence | :49:18. | :49:21. | |
can get agreement. In many ways, I would prefer a timeline that you can | :49:22. | :49:26. | |
actually see. Instead of saying let's take two years to debate this. | :49:27. | :49:29. | |
Why do not think the electorate wants to wait that much longer. They | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
have had their say and a lot of things have been sent during the | :49:35. | :49:37. | |
campaign. They actually want all of that energy, the Fort to be put into | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
action, but they do not want to wait eight months to see that action. It | :49:43. | :49:48. | |
is not actually a bad timescale. There is a lot of thought and things | :49:49. | :49:52. | |
have been said already. We know what people want. I wants to make sure | :49:53. | :49:57. | |
that we get to the fact. I will delivered by the 30th of November. | :49:58. | :50:04. | |
With me now is the Mr for local government and planning, Derek | :50:05. | :50:08. | |
Mackay, and Jackson Tallo of the Scottish Conservatives. Derek | :50:09. | :50:12. | |
Mackay, you agree that it can be done? Do you believe the parties? It | :50:13. | :50:18. | |
is an ambitious timescale, considering what has to be achieved. | :50:19. | :50:25. | |
It absolutely must be done. First of all, I thought the yes campaign was | :50:26. | :50:28. | |
a fantastic campaign of ingenuity, creativity and substance full stop I | :50:29. | :50:32. | |
want to thank all of those who voted yes. 1.6 million people engaging in | :50:33. | :50:39. | |
this process. And the choice. It was not the status quo versus change. It | :50:40. | :50:43. | |
was change. Everyone agreed on that. More powers to the Scottish | :50:44. | :50:47. | |
Parliament, independence, that was the spectrum. The onus is on the | :50:48. | :50:51. | |
Westminster parties to deliver on that. But yes, regular levels of | :50:52. | :50:57. | |
engagement and we should harness that is to unite the country and | :50:58. | :51:01. | |
move forward. The Scottish government, of course, will play a | :51:02. | :51:05. | |
part in that. And how do you envisage your part? What would you | :51:06. | :51:09. | |
do now? The people have spoken and in accepting the results, we accept | :51:10. | :51:13. | |
that Scotland has called for change and Scotland must not fall off the | :51:14. | :51:16. | |
Westminster Raider as we approach the election. -- radar. We have no | :51:17. | :51:27. | |
details as we reach that process. Those discussions will begin but the | :51:28. | :51:32. | |
reason we want to dissipate, that is what people would expect. Scotland | :51:33. | :51:36. | |
had a great debate about what kind of country we seek and how we get | :51:37. | :51:41. | |
there. I am disappointed in the result because wanted independence | :51:42. | :51:44. | |
and the powers and resources of independence. But we will make the | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
best of it. We will always move forward and pursue Scotland's | :51:49. | :51:52. | |
interests. It is ambitious to get proposals and legislation by January | :51:53. | :51:58. | |
of Scotland expects. Jackson, you and the other parties carry a huge | :51:59. | :52:05. | |
responsibility, carrying the hopes and dreams of many Scots who voted | :52:06. | :52:11. | |
both ways for a better Scotland. For two points. Firstly, when we have | :52:12. | :52:15. | |
had these debates previously, my party has been on the other side of | :52:16. | :52:19. | |
the argument and we have not seen the degree of unanimity that there | :52:20. | :52:22. | |
is now within the unionist parties to deliver this. But all the talk | :52:23. | :52:26. | |
over the last few days was, will the party be able to take the initiative | :52:27. | :52:31. | |
two I think today, we saw the Prime Minister acting decisively to move | :52:32. | :52:37. | |
this forward. Acknowledging the concerns of backbenchers in England | :52:38. | :52:39. | |
who do not object to additional powers but were frustrated that that | :52:40. | :52:44. | |
may leave England and other parts of the UK on the sidelines. I believe | :52:45. | :52:48. | |
what he has done today is demonstrate to the people of | :52:49. | :52:50. | |
Scotland that he has acknowledged the result, listened to the result, | :52:51. | :52:54. | |
and he is now determined to see that the agenda goes forward with the | :52:55. | :52:59. | |
party leaders. And we are very enthusiastic about it. I think that | :53:00. | :53:02. | |
is the difference this time around. The Unionist parties are | :53:03. | :53:04. | |
enthusiastic about the Scottish Parliament. Do you agree that this | :53:05. | :53:09. | |
is the last chance saloon for the union? I do not see it like that. | :53:10. | :53:15. | |
This was a debate of a lifetime and that. This was a debate of a | :53:16. | :53:17. | |
lifetime and etiquette has resolved the issue for a lifetime. It is | :53:18. | :53:21. | |
pretty decisive. The last campaign with this fanfare was the Barack | :53:22. | :53:26. | |
Obama presidential election and he only won by six points, described as | :53:27. | :53:30. | |
a landslide. We're not using this language but it was a decisive | :53:31. | :53:34. | |
result. I think it is better that it was because I think it would have | :53:35. | :53:37. | |
been more divisive for people to come together if people had seen a | :53:38. | :53:41. | |
narrow result. He might have thought, if only we had done a bit | :53:42. | :53:47. | |
more. I don't want to be churlish but some people in the no | :53:48. | :53:50. | |
campaigners said they had to get a better result than this for it to be | :53:51. | :53:54. | |
landing M80 but we absolutely accept the results. 45% is very | :53:55. | :53:59. | |
respectable. In the face of some of the scaremongering we encountered. | :54:00. | :54:05. | |
Will there be another referendum? If there is no challenge, then there | :54:06. | :54:12. | |
must be change. We have prevented that challenge and it will lead to | :54:13. | :54:15. | |
change in Scotland. Westminster has to respond accordingly, because | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
there will be consequences if they do not because the people will not | :54:21. | :54:25. | |
have the issue forgotten. This is not the end of Scotland's | :54:26. | :54:29. | |
constitutional journey. In fact it is a exciting new phase. You could | :54:30. | :54:32. | |
see a push for another referendum from the SMB? The First Minister | :54:33. | :54:38. | |
said that this was a once in a generation opportunity that said, I | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
will make it clear that Westminster is not off the hook. Westminster | :54:43. | :54:47. | |
must deliver on what the people have asked for. Finally, there has been a | :54:48. | :54:54. | |
genuinely inspiring national conversation and many people have | :54:55. | :55:00. | |
referred to it. How is that going to continue? There is a sense of | :55:01. | :55:04. | |
reinvigorated democratic energy in Scotland. Will you play a part in | :55:05. | :55:10. | |
making that continue? Absolutely. We want to embrace that in the | :55:11. | :55:12. | |
discussion that happens going forward. But we should also be | :55:13. | :55:17. | |
honest enough to say that when you ask people an important question, | :55:18. | :55:20. | |
that is when they get engaged. Thank you both. And that is it from | :55:21. | :55:26. | |
Reporting Scotland, a specially extended lunch time special. This | :55:27. | :55:29. | |
evening's programme will also be one hour along with more reflection and | :55:30. | :55:34. | |
analysis. One out, a reminder of how this momentous story about the | :55:35. | :55:36. | |
future of Scotland unfolded. Morning. | :55:37. | :56:29. | |
Today is a momentous results for Scotland and also the United Kingdom | :56:30. | :56:34. | |
as a whole. We have reaffirmed all that we have in common and the bonds | :56:35. | :56:38. | |
that tie us together. Let them never be broken. APPLAUSE. On the half of | :56:39. | :56:46. | |
the Scottish government, I accept the result. The Unionist parties | :56:47. | :56:52. | |
made those late in the campaign to devolve more powers to Scotland. | :56:53. | :57:01. | |
Vows. Scotland will expected these to be honoured in rapid course. | :57:02. | :57:17. | |
I did not want independence at any point. I thought it was a very good | :57:18. | :57:23. | |
opportunity and it is sad that we have missed out on it. I've stayed | :57:24. | :57:29. | |
up all night. I am relieved. I am really, really disappointed. | :57:30. | :57:34. |