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Well, this is the closest I'll get to Rio. | :00:37. | :00:43. | |
The advance of the Islamist army on Baghdad has been slowed. | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
The Iraqi army claims the fightback has begun. | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
But the country now faces a de facto partition. | :00:51. | :00:52. | |
What should Britain, Europe, or the US be doing - if anything? | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
It's been a big week in the Scottish referendum. | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
But has the tone of the debate become too downright nasty? | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
Both sides join us to go head to head. | :01:03. | :01:10. | |
I will swap Ed Miliband for Tim Farren. What is the significance of | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
that? And as World Cup sticker fever grips | :01:14. | :01:15. | |
even Westminster, we'll be asking Here in the East, | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
fears that the rights of mentally ill patients, entitled | :01:20. | :01:21. | |
to care, are being breached. And a crunch vote for Nick Clegg | :01:22. | :01:23. | |
as Lib Dems meet in Cambridge to In London, why the minority vote one | :01:24. | :01:31. | |
recent elections Labour, but recent support amongst people is bigger | :01:32. | :01:32. | |
than assumed. The Sunni Islamist army known | :01:33. | :01:43. | |
as ISIS is now in control of huge swathes of northern | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
and western Iraq, including Until the weekend they looked | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
like advancing relentlessly on Baghdad but that offensive has | :01:50. | :01:52. | |
now been slowed or even halted The Iraqi army | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
and its Shia milita allies vow that Baghdad will not be taken and that | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
a counter-attack will soon begin. Iraq's Shia Prime Minister Nouri | :02:00. | :02:06. | |
al-Maliki has to do something to reverse the humiliation | :02:07. | :02:08. | |
of recent days, which saw his US-trained and equipped Iraqi | :02:09. | :02:10. | |
army, which outnumbered the Islamists 15 to 1 melt away or | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
surrender when confronted by ISIS. The conflict has already created a | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
humanitarian crisis, with hundreds The Kurds have used the conflict to | :02:21. | :02:22. | |
consolidate their hold on their autonomous area in the north, parts | :02:23. | :02:32. | |
of the west and the north are in the grip of ISIS control and the Shias | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
are hunkering down in the east. All of which makes a three-way | :02:37. | :02:39. | |
partition a real possibility with The US is moving another | :02:40. | :02:42. | |
of its massive aircraft carrier battlefleets to the Gulf, | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
though the White House shows no While Iran says it's ready to help | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
its Shia allies and there are unconfoirmed reports | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
that its revolutionary guard has Well, I'm joined now by Newsnight's | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
diplomatic editor Mark Urban. Let's start with some basics. Who | :02:57. | :03:14. | |
are ISIS and why are they controlling big chunks of Iraq? ISIS | :03:15. | :03:21. | |
is an extremist militant jihad organisation and they have a pure | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
Islamic concept based on 14th century history and jurisprudence. | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
What they want to do is correct -- create this caliphate that do not | :03:30. | :03:36. | |
recognise colonial boundaries so it involves Syria and Iraq, and they | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
could go down to Lebanon and Palestine, that is all fair game as | :03:40. | :03:42. | |
far as they are concerned. And they have this strict interpretation of | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
Islam. The more interesting question is why have semi-Sunni Muslims, | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
along with them, these are precisely the sort of people who in 2006, | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
2007, tribal leaders in the west of the country rose up against. It was | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
called the Awakening and the Americans in power did and | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
bankrolled it. These people turned against them and admired them in | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
large numbers, so why do they have so many Sunni Muslims on their | :04:13. | :04:15. | |
side? We hear about people going back to Mosul. I think the answer is | :04:16. | :04:18. | |
a perception back to Mosul. I think the answer | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
that the current government is ruling in sectarian interests, Shia | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
Muslim interest, and the Sunni Muslims want self-determination and | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
this is their best bet. Muslims want self-determination and | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
this is their Let me put up this map to find out where we are going. We | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
can see Mosul in the north, they took that, and then they started, | :04:36. | :04:40. | |
South, reports that the crit was involved -- to grit -- to grit. What | :04:41. | :04:49. | |
is the situation on the ground now? We are in what you might call a | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
consolidation or strategic pause as American called it in 2003. ISIS are | :04:54. | :05:01. | |
trying to consolidate their power in Mosul, and now they have this major | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
city and they are trying to show they can run the city and get the | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
power going, etc. Their southernmost forces, that is a gorilla army, guys | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
in pick-up trucks. They cannot deal with serious opposition. They would | :05:13. | :05:18. | |
like to get the tanks and other things into action but that could | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
take weeks for them to be able to do it. The government side is that they | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
have counter-attacked, but it will take a little while before these | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
newly raised militia and other task forces, call them what you will can | :05:31. | :05:36. | |
effectively counter-attacked. But that is what will happen in the next | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
week or two. We will see increasingly large and serious | :05:43. | :05:44. | |
government counter-attacked trying to retake those places, and I fear a | :05:45. | :05:53. | |
really difficult, bloody Syrian style street by street battle for | :05:54. | :06:00. | |
some of these urban centres. I would like to have a look at this map | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
because the Kurds, as I mentioned, they are consolidating their | :06:07. | :06:08. | |
position in the autonomous region in the north. The Islamist are taking | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
over huge chunks of the Sunni Muslim West. And of course the Shia Muslim | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
are still dominant in control of Baghdad and in parts of the south | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
and east. Back to me looks like the beginnings of the partition of Iraq. | :06:25. | :06:33. | |
-- back to me. Well, it is, but we have to caveat it in a few ways | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
Firstly, there are millions of people in Iraq, so-called sushi | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
combined families, who do not fit easily into the pattern. Do we see | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
millions of people becoming refugees under this scheme? There would be a | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
lot of human tragedies if people really did try to enforce this type | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
partition. Secondly, there are Sunni Muslim communities in the south of | :06:57. | :07:03. | |
Baghdad, those places, once again, a lot of misery and fighting will | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
occur if people try to enforce a de facto partition. There are still an | :07:09. | :07:20. | |
awakening of forces. They are on the side of the government. We heard | :07:21. | :07:26. | |
about one group in Samarra of Sunni Muslims fighting on the same side. | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
It's a complex picture. They factor, it does look like a partition, and | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
if it goes further in that direction it will. And partition will always | :07:34. | :07:40. | |
be messy because people end up on the wrong side of the lies. | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
Finally, the big thing on that map, Iran, a huge place, a huge border | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
with Shia Muslim Iraq. Iran now becomes a key factor. It is becoming | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
a proxy war for Iran. Yes, when I was in Baghdad a few months ago I | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
did actually see Iranians revolutionary guards in uniform | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
They were protecting a senior Iranians official, so some numbers | :08:03. | :08:08. | |
have been never some time and they are also said to protect the | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
political leaders and -- in his compound. They are there. We think | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
more of them are trying to organise the defence of Baghdad to galvanise | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
the Iraqi army, and they will not allow the Iraqi government to fall. | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
Mark, thank you for marking archive this morning. -- marking our card. | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
Tony Blair took Britain into the Iraq conflict in 2003. | :08:32. | :08:33. | |
He's now, among other things, envoy to the Middle East representing | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
That's the UN, the EU, the US and Russia. | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
This morning he entered the debate about what should be | :08:40. | :08:42. | |
My point is simple. If you left Saddam in place in 2003, when 2 11 | :08:43. | :08:52. | |
happened and you have the Arab revolutions going through Tunisia, | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
Libya, Yemen, Bahrain and Egypt and Syria, you would still have had a | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
major problem in Iraq. You can see what happens when you leave the | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
dictator in place, as has happened with Bashar al-Assad. The problem | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
doesn't go away. What I'm trying to say is, we can rerun the debates | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
about 2003, and there are perfectly legitimate points on either side, | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
but where we are in 2014, we have do understand that this is a regional | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
problem, but a problem that will affect us. | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
And I'm joined by the former Foreign Office minister Mark Malloch-Brown, | :09:27. | :09:28. | |
Here in London are James Rubin, he was chief spokesman | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
for the State Department under Bill Clinton, and Bayan Rahman, | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
she represents the Kurdistan Regional government in the UK. | :09:36. | :09:47. | |
Intervened in Iraq, it's a shambles, we don't intervene in Syria, it s a | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
shambles. What lessons should we draw? That is a well framed | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
question, because that is the problem. Tony Blair is half right. | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
Iraq, like Syria, would probably have been a problem even without an | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
intervention. But one wishes someone would tell him to stay quiet during | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
moments like this, because it does drive a great surge of people in the | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
other direction. The fact is, what has been missing in western politics | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
towards the Middle East throughout both episodes, Syria and Iraq, is a | :10:19. | :10:24. | |
drive to build an inclusive, democratic centre which is secular | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
and nonsectarian. That has been missing amongst the threats of | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
invasion Manon invasion, we have just constantly neglected the | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
diplomatic nation-building dimensional this. I want to come | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
onto what is happening on the ground. I want to begin with what | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
the Western response by me, and by that we mean the United States, | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
because of it doesn't do anything, nobody will do anything. All of the | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
signals I see coming out of the White is that Barack Obama has no | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
appetite for intervention -- out of the White House. I don't think he | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
does have an appetite. He would be very unlikely to do anything very | :11:03. | :11:09. | |
large. He might feel pressured to act because of the fact that this | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
particular group, this Al-Qaeda inspired group, fits into the | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
strategy he has pursued in Yemen and Afghanistan and Pakistan, to use | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
drone strikes against individual terrorists. So it is possible that | :11:23. | :11:33. | |
the threat of ISIS in the region and the West in general might inspire | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
him to act, but the idea he will do enough, militarily, to transform | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
Iraq from its current state of civil War into something along the lines | :11:44. | :11:49. | |
that Mark was talking about, nation-building diplomacy, a big | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
operation, I don't see President Obama sees his historic mission as | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
having got the United States as out of it. Leave it to the Pacific, | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
perhaps. What would the Kurds like the West to do? First of all, in | :12:04. | :12:09. | |
Kurdistan we face a huge humanitarian crisis. We already have | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
had bought a quarter of a million Syrian refugees and we were | :12:15. | :12:16. | |
struggling to cope with that. And now we have at least double that | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
number of refugees coming from Mosul. First and foremost, we are | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
calling on the international community to help us with that. So | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
we need humanitarian aid? Let's assume we do that in some way, maybe | :12:31. | :12:33. | |
not enough, but what else if anything? I think it is an incumbent | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
on the west and other powers to assist Iraq to get rid of ISIS. I | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
think the Sunni Arab community, some of whom have joined ISIS and may be | :12:45. | :12:51. | |
supported the uprising, have justified complaints against the | :12:52. | :12:58. | |
federal government. But we need the terrorists out of Iraq. That is | :12:59. | :13:01. | |
first and foremost. And what the West can do is not necessarily | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
intervene with boots on the ground, but provide technical assistance, | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
provide intelligence and help the Iraqi army and air force to be more | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
targeted. Can you defend yourselves? In Kurdistan, we can in terms of the | :13:15. | :13:22. | |
disciplined troops. In this situation, I hope they won't be | :13:23. | :13:25. | |
abandoning their post, that is for sure. It is a national cause fires. | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
But we are not armed in the way that the Iraqi army is -- cause for us. | :13:31. | :13:36. | |
We are not armed in the way that ISIS seems to be now they have | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
seized some of the American kit We are not asking for weapons, but we | :13:41. | :13:43. | |
ask for assistance for all of Iraq to deal with the situation. Mark, | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
this is not just an Iraqi problem. This is a regional conflict, and | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
from the Levant on the shores of the Mediterranean, all the way through | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
to the Gulf, the region is gripped with what is essentially a Sunni and | :13:58. | :14:04. | |
Shia Muslim sectarian war. Yes, with the caveats that Mark bourbon made | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
earlier, it's not quite that straightforward, but the basic | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
divide is exactly that -- Mark Urban. People have been looking for | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
this to begin in Lebanon or Jordan and have been taken by surprise | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
although with hindsight I'm not sure why, that it has begun in Iraq | :14:20. | :14:26. | |
instead. At its most extreme, it risks redrawing the 20th century | :14:27. | :14:28. | |
boundaries of the region in a way which would be highly unstable | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
because it would pit a Shia Muslim bloc against the Sunni Muslim bloc | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
and would undo all of the sort of social and economic advance of the | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
last century, so the stakes are suddenly very, very high indeed Are | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
we seeing the redrawing? The lines were drawn secretly, not far from | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
here, about a mile away, and may have survived through thick and | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
thin. They now look pretty fragile. The map is being redrawn. I think it | :14:59. | :15:03. | |
is true that there is a key factor partition going on -- des facto | :15:04. | :15:10. | |
Woodrow Wilson probably gave a bit of a hand to the promotion of the | :15:11. | :15:17. | |
idea of self-determination, and in a way, there is a self determination | :15:18. | :15:20. | |
going on, particularly in the Kurdish region, and perhaps they may | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
end up the big winners in all of this, because they have proceeded | :15:25. | :15:30. | |
with a relatively moderate, reconcilable government. The key | :15:31. | :15:32. | |
thing that the Kurdish region has done. They used to fight the two | :15:33. | :15:43. | |
groups, and now they fight together. What the Sunni Muslims have not done | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
is figure out how to let politics let the side things instead of guns. | :15:49. | :15:56. | |
We need to look clearly and in Syria and Iraq, if there is a Sunni | :15:57. | :16:03. | |
extremist with ISIS that carves out a place for itself, it will be the | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
great irony of the modern era. President Bush said he wanted to go | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
into Iraq to fight terrorism. There was no terrorist. There are now If | :16:14. | :16:21. | |
in Iraq and Syria together thereat a thousand strong Al-Qaeda capability | :16:22. | :16:27. | |
that threatens the region, the West, the world, we are all going to | :16:28. | :16:29. | |
have to do something about it. The danger is that power will | :16:30. | :16:57. | |
spread. This could grow in power. You would not want it on your | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
southern border. Absolutely, we would not. The point we are all | :17:03. | :17:05. | |
making indirectly is that things have changed in Iraq and will never | :17:06. | :17:11. | |
be the same again. Whether Iraq completely disintegrates into three | :17:12. | :17:14. | |
countries, or whether it stays together as one country, but a | :17:15. | :17:15. | |
countries, or whether it stays together as one country, but loose | :17:16. | :17:19. | |
federation, either way, Iraq has changed. It will not go back to what | :17:20. | :17:25. | |
it was. I hope it will change for the better. I think we're at the | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
make or break point for Iraq. Either the political readers -- the | :17:30. | :17:37. | |
political leaders of a right wake up and smell the coffee and put aside | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
their differences or there will be problems. This provides that | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
opportunity, in a very nasty way. If we take it? Yes, and if not, I think | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
this is the end of a rack as we know it. If anything resembling a | :17:53. | :18:01. | |
caliphate emerges, that is very destabilising for the region itself. | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
More so I would suggest than even the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
Afghanistan. At some stage, you have to assume that they will be coming | :18:12. | :18:18. | |
for us. That is correct. This is extremely dangerous. The only way | :18:19. | :18:27. | |
forward is for these political groups to talk to each other and | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
find a compromise that allows the rates of cinemas and minorities in | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
Iraq to be protected within or the rates of cinemas and minorities in | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
Iraq to be protected with an autonomous federal-state. Any | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
support for the government must be premised on that. There is no | :18:44. | :18:46. | |
military solution for this which is in during -- there is no military | :18:47. | :19:03. | |
solution for this. There must be serious political negotiation, not | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
with ISIS, but with Sunni Muslim moderates, to form a more | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
representative government. This is the last chance for Iraq. I think we | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
are all saying that that is going to need to be some major western | :19:18. | :19:20. | |
leadership to make some big decisions here for the future of the | :19:21. | :19:26. | |
region. I am concerned that after Afghanistan and Iraq, my country is | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
quite world-weary, quite world-weary. It does not seem to be | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
giving leadership. Certainly we are not seeing that in Europe. I am | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
deeply concerned that we are not going to take the leadership role | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
that needs to be taken. These are big issues. When Britain and France | :19:45. | :19:50. | |
carved up the Middle East, they were world powers, operating as global | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
powers, and without that global leadership by somebody, this is just | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
going to get worse and worse. I think we will leave it there, thank | :19:59. | :20:00. | |
you very much. The danger is that power will | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
spread. This could grow in power. It is just under 100 days until the | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
referendum on Scottish independence. So, for once, | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
it'll be a long hot-summer But the campaign isn't | :20:14. | :20:15. | |
just getting heated. In places it's also | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
down-right nasty. When Scotland's best-selling author | :20:21. | :20:22. | |
announced she was giving the unionist cause a million pounds | :20:23. | :20:24. | |
this week, she received Independence supporters online, | :20:25. | :20:26. | |
so-called cybernats, called JK Rowling a traitor | :20:27. | :20:34. | |
and much worse, using a variety of For its part, the Better Together | :20:35. | :20:37. | |
campaign has been accused Even Gordon Brown seems to think so, | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
and this week he criticised Conservative ministers | :20:42. | :20:44. | |
for relying on "threats With the Edinburgh Festival | :20:45. | :20:46. | |
approaching, reports suggest even comedians are now reluctant to | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
engage in the subject because I'm joined by Blair Jenkins from | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
Yes Scotland and Jackie Baillie They're both in our Glasgow studio, | :20:55. | :21:00. | |
and they're going head to head. Blair Jenkins, let me come to you | :21:01. | :21:20. | |
first. Why have you and the Better Together campaign and Alex Salmond | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
not done more to slap down the cyber nationalists who are poisoning the | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
debate? Good morning. I think both sides tried to stop the tiny number | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
of people on both sides who are incapable of controlling | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
themselves. We should not get this out of proportion. We are having a | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
fantastic, decent and democratic debate. The people who probably | :21:44. | :21:46. | |
total no more than 100 on both sides who post offensive material or not | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
to be allowed to deflect from that fact. Of course there are nasty | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
people on the Better Together side as well, but are you saying there | :21:56. | :21:59. | |
are as many of those as the cyber nationalists? I have not done the | :22:00. | :22:05. | |
Kent. Lots of people are certainly posting nasty in defensive things to | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
people in the yes campaigners well. I imagine that people do what I do, | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
and block them. You stop them from sending anything further. There is a | :22:16. | :22:22. | |
democratic and in gauging progress going on throughout Scotland. It is | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
characterised by good humour and good debate. We should not get out | :22:27. | :22:29. | |
of proportion and the activities of the number of people. I want to get | :22:30. | :22:36. | |
to Jackie Baillie. The debate is actually pretty good-humoured and | :22:37. | :22:39. | |
you should be doing more about the nasties on your side as well? I | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
think we have reached a new low this week. Despite many people engaging | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
in the politics of the decision and the debate about that, whether we | :22:49. | :22:54. | |
want to retain the best of both worlds are separate from the United | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
Kingdom, what we have seen is the most abusive and vitriolic attack, | :22:59. | :23:05. | |
particularly on women, JK Rowling and a Labour supporter who dared to | :23:06. | :23:10. | |
support the no campaign. When you look at the number of people on | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
social media, there are more from the yes campaign than the no site. | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
We should all be condemning attacks, from whatever quarter they come | :23:21. | :23:28. | |
This seemed to be connected to the office of the First Minister. What | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
is the evidence for that? There was an e-mail from one of the... I | :23:33. | :23:38. | |
understand about that, but it did not use vile words. It did not, but | :23:39. | :23:47. | |
it repeated the same mistake as on the website. We should be clear that | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
we need to condemn these attacks, but it is not just the water works, | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
it is taking action. There was an IpsosMORI poll this week which was | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
varying testing. It showed the population as a whole, farmer people | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
think that Yes Scotland is running an effective campaign as against | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
Better Together. It is a undecided voters think this by a majority of | :24:12. | :24:19. | |
four 21. Some people are worried about of the campaign. JK Rowling, | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
Scotland's most successful author of all time. She gives ?1 million to | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
the Better Together campaign. She then faces some of the most | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
incredible abuse. I know what it is like because I have had some myself. | :24:34. | :24:41. | |
Traitor, Quisling. I cannot use some of the words, it is Sunday morning. | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
Why does Scottish Nationalists culture have such a revolting | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
fringe? JK Rowling is entitled to our views and it is unacceptable if | :24:52. | :24:54. | |
people say offensive things about her or anyone else who voices and | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
opinion in this debate. Who are obese people? When you look at the | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
accounts of some of the people who were posting these things about JK | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
Rowling, they were using the same sort of language about film stars | :25:08. | :25:11. | |
and football stars. This was just part of their language on Twitter. | :25:12. | :25:18. | |
How often has Alex Salmond condemned the cyber nationalists? Very often. | :25:19. | :25:26. | |
Everyone in the campaign hands. By common consent, Yes Scotland is | :25:27. | :25:29. | |
running a thoroughly positive campaign, much more positive than | :25:30. | :25:35. | |
Better Together. Jackie Baillie it hardly helps matters when Alistair | :25:36. | :25:40. | |
Darling, who runs your campaign compares Alex Salmond to Kim Jong Il | :25:41. | :25:43. | |
and North Korea. That hardly elevates the debate? I think we need | :25:44. | :25:49. | |
to elevate the debate. There are less than a hundred days to go. It | :25:50. | :25:56. | |
is a massive decision. We need to elevate the debate beyond attacks. I | :25:57. | :26:03. | |
think there is much more that Yes Scotland and the SNP can do. You | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
have made that point. Why are you running a campaign based on fear? | :26:09. | :26:14. | |
The codename of your campaign is even project fear. It is threats. | :26:15. | :26:21. | |
You cannot have the pound, there will be no shipbuilding. You will be | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
flooded by immigrants. Why are you so negative? I am not negative at | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
all and neither is the campaign The campaign has asked questions and I | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
think it is legitimate to ask questions of the people proposing | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
such a fundamental change. People care about the economy, their jobs, | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
their families. What would happen to them if they leave the rest of the | :26:45. | :26:50. | |
United Kingdom. I think it is legitimate to ask questions. I | :26:51. | :26:52. | |
refuse to be asked of scaremongering. People deserve | :26:53. | :27:00. | |
answers. The yes campaign is equally guilty of some of the most | :27:01. | :27:07. | |
outrageous scaremongering. Maybe you are both scaremongering. Blair | :27:08. | :27:13. | |
Jenkins, the First Minister said of the cyber nationalists, that they | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
are just Daft folk, as if they were mischievous little children. It is | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
worse than that. When you look at what they say, they are twisted | :27:24. | :27:29. | |
perhaps even evil minds. I would not disagree with his comments, but they | :27:30. | :27:33. | |
are directed at just a small number of people. The story of this | :27:34. | :27:38. | |
campaign is not the story of what people are saying on Twitter. Around | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
Scotland, lots of people are getting engaged in debate to have been tuned | :27:44. | :27:49. | |
out of the political process. Today, we have 47% support for the yes | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
campaign. The movement in the campaign is towards yes. People know | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
we have a better campaign, a vision for Scotland. The latest poll of | :27:59. | :28:05. | |
polls does not show that. Both sides, you always take the opinion | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
polls that show you in the best light. All politicians do that. | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
Jackie Baillie, your campaign is not just negative, it is patronising. | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
You make dubious claims that Scots would be ?1400 better off by staying | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
in the union, and then you say that the kids use the money to scoff 280 | :28:27. | :28:33. | |
hotdogs at the Edinburgh Festival. The fate of the nation is in your | :28:34. | :28:36. | |
hands and that is the best you can do? I think you will find that the | :28:37. | :28:42. | |
campaign is something that we are taking the message to people. Then | :28:43. | :28:48. | |
why are you talking about hotdogs? I do not. The campaign did. We are | :28:49. | :28:56. | |
taking a positive message to people across Scotland about the benefits | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
of the United Kingdom. We believe we are stronger and more secure and | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
more stable, being part of that family of nations that is the United | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
Kingdom. At the same time, we have the strange and power over things | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
like education and transport. I understand that. I am not doing the | :29:14. | :29:20. | |
issues today, I am talking about the tone of the campaign. I have one | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
very important question. Who would you supporting last night in the | :29:25. | :29:31. | |
England-Italy match? I was not watching the game. I would be | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
delighted to see England do well in this tournament. I have Argentina in | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
the office sweepstake. I have to keep some attention on them, but I | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
would be delighted to seeing Clint do well. That is because you think | :29:44. | :29:49. | |
it will help your campaign. It will annoy the Scots. Jackie Baillie I | :29:50. | :29:55. | |
was supporting England. I was also supporting Portugal. | :29:56. | :30:01. | |
Now most of you probably missed last night's football match | :30:02. | :30:04. | |
between England and Italy because you wanted to get an early night and | :30:05. | :30:07. | |
England lost despite a plucky effort, I'm told. | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
But even Westminster is in the grip of World Cup fever | :30:12. | :30:14. | |
and with speculation about the fitness of each political | :30:15. | :30:16. | |
party's team we sent Adam out to tackle some of the big players. | :30:17. | :30:23. | |
Well, this is the closest I'll get to Rio. | :30:24. | :30:26. | |
This year everybody seems to have gone a bit mad Belize, football | :30:27. | :30:39. | |
stickers. Let's see who I will get. Oh, the suspense -- a bit mad for | :30:40. | :30:46. | |
these. George Osborne? That is because we leapt on the bandwagon | :30:47. | :30:47. | |
and made Alan political stickers. They're hotter than a Brazilian | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
barbecue. And at Westminster they're | :30:51. | :30:52. | |
turning into collector?s items. Sunday politics political stickers. | :30:53. | :31:01. | |
We have one of you, Norman. Would you like it? Do you want to start | :31:02. | :31:06. | |
collecting, Bob? Would you like a packet? | :31:07. | :31:06. | |
collecting, Bob? Would you like a Thank you. No album, I'm afraid | :31:07. | :31:14. | |
collecting, Bob? Would you like a Thank you. No album, I've got | :31:15. | :31:17. | |
Michael Gove, next to to Reza, and two of the Prime Minister. -- next | :31:18. | :31:25. | |
to Theresa. I am sure Michael has Theresa in her stick around, and | :31:26. | :31:26. | |
vice versa. These Tory ones are proving very | :31:27. | :31:28. | |
popular since she fell out with him out how | :31:29. | :31:30. | |
to handle extremism in schools. And there's been open speculation | :31:31. | :31:33. | |
about him taking on him in Then there are rumours of a | :31:34. | :31:36. | |
reshuffle of the whole Tory album. Do you think there will be any | :31:37. | :31:47. | |
swapping in the Tory leadership soon? Who knows? David Cameron has | :31:48. | :31:56. | |
also got to replace the EU commissioner, Cathy Ashton, who is | :31:57. | :31:57. | |
standing down. Does he go with the favourite | :31:58. | :31:59. | |
the former health secretary Or the grassroots choice, | :32:00. | :32:01. | |
Martin Callanan, the Tories old Or does he rehabilitate | :32:02. | :32:04. | |
Andrew Mitchell after Plebgate? Do you fancy being European | :32:05. | :32:22. | |
Commissioner? I would rather be spending the money on the world s | :32:23. | :32:25. | |
poor and spending it well. Glad to hear it. Happy collecting. | :32:26. | :32:27. | |
Right, there must be some Labour stickers out there. | :32:28. | :32:30. | |
You don't want to swap Ed Balls any of the others? Can't I keep them | :32:31. | :32:38. | |
all? This is almost the perfect team. | :32:39. | :32:39. | |
There have been grumblings about the fitness of the Shadow | :32:40. | :32:42. | |
And Ed Miliband's got a kicking in Liverpool after posing | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
I'm told grown men are meeting up in pubs for sticker swaps - | :32:47. | :32:57. | |
With Danny Finkelstein - Tory peer and Times columnist, | :32:58. | :33:02. | |
He would be the card I would not want to trade. Do people want to | :33:03. | :33:14. | |
trade him in? I don't think anybody wants to trade him in at the moment. | :33:15. | :33:18. | |
He is the best person to lead the Labour party and will lead us into | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
the next election. There's been a lot about Michael Gove, and he's | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
very combative. That's been a huge strength as an education Secretary, | :33:26. | :33:27. | |
despite the fact it's brought in trouble. I would think the prime | :33:28. | :33:32. | |
minister would tell him not to get himself into peripheral battles at | :33:33. | :33:35. | |
the moment but stick to what has been successful. I haven't got Nick | :33:36. | :33:41. | |
Clegg, but I got me. Controversy amongst collectors of Lib Dems. I | :33:42. | :33:47. | |
need to give away me in return for Nick Clegg. That would be far | :33:48. | :33:49. | |
better. There you are. Some local parties are holding | :33:50. | :33:52. | |
meetings about his leadership, but at one in Cambridge this week | :33:53. | :33:55. | |
they voted to stick with him. You have got a Euro Commissioner. | :33:56. | :34:07. | |
Why don't I swap, I will swap Ed Miliband for Tim Farren. Can I do | :34:08. | :34:11. | |
that? What is the significance of that? Very significant. Happy | :34:12. | :34:14. | |
collecting. These beauties are popping up | :34:15. | :34:17. | |
everywhere, but sadly they won't Adam is still doing the samba around | :34:18. | :34:20. | |
Westminster as I speak. I'm joined | :34:21. | :34:30. | |
by three journalists who've been furiously swapping stickers | :34:31. | :34:32. | |
throughout the show, they certainly weren't allowed to stay up to watch | :34:33. | :34:34. | |
the football, it's Nick Watt, We will talk about Labour after the | :34:35. | :34:44. | |
break, and I want to concentrate on the Tories, but the moment, Nick, | :34:45. | :34:47. | |
senior Tories are saying privately that they might win next May. They | :34:48. | :34:56. | |
are beginning to dream the dream. So why are they doing all this | :34:57. | :35:01. | |
jockeying? I think the jockeying for the leadership is about a year old. | :35:02. | :35:07. | |
What stoped it up was when Theresa gave a speech to the conference and | :35:08. | :35:13. | |
people said she was doing it just in case, when things were not looking | :35:14. | :35:17. | |
too good. She is not on manoeuvres. I think it was a policy row that | :35:18. | :35:21. | |
drove the differences with Michael Gove. But Michael Gove is on | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
manoeuvres, and he is trying to protect George Osborne from, he | :35:26. | :35:28. | |
believes, a serious threat from Boris Johnson and possibly Theresa. | :35:29. | :35:35. | |
It is quite self-indulgent when you are a couple of points behind, the | :35:36. | :35:38. | |
economy is going your way, to be involved in this sort of stuff. | :35:39. | :35:48. | |
Extraordinary. It shows the toxic disease that gnaws at the entrails | :35:49. | :35:54. | |
of the Tory party, and Cameron is their great asset. He is more | :35:55. | :35:56. | |
popular than the party, he bridges the gap is, and he has an | :35:57. | :36:01. | |
extraordinary dissemble and some pretending to be this moderate while | :36:02. | :36:05. | |
never the lens -- nevertheless leading the most far right wing | :36:06. | :36:08. | |
government we have had since the war, and that has been a brilliant | :36:09. | :36:12. | |
piece of political Charente and they would be crazy to get rid of it -- | :36:13. | :36:14. | |
political Charente. piece of political Charente and they | :36:15. | :36:17. | |
would be crazy to get rid of it -- charades. Does this rumble on? I | :36:18. | :36:22. | |
have an unfashionable view as there aren't half as many leadership plots | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
taking place in Westminster as we assume, and the willingness to read | :36:28. | :36:30. | |
strategic calculation into anything that takes place comes from people | :36:31. | :36:34. | |
watching I Claudius or house of cards. That hasn't been off -- on | :36:35. | :36:40. | |
for years. I needed a reference from your time. I needed something. Maybe | :36:41. | :36:47. | |
brief encounter? It's a stylised view of how politics works, and so | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
much more in life is about randomness and mistakes. Boris | :36:52. | :36:57. | |
Johnson, Theresa May, Michael Gove as George Osborne's man on earth, | :36:58. | :37:03. | |
they are positioning themselves -- Janan wrote an eloquent comment this | :37:04. | :37:06. | |
week about this, but there are certain realities that. Michael Gove | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
had that famous dinner with Rupert Murdoch a few weeks ago in which he | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
said that you must not make Boris Johnson leader of the Conservative | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
party, George Osborne is my man Theresa May set out her credo two | :37:22. | :37:24. | |
years ago and people on her team were saying that she was doing it | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
just in case. People are out there and are thinking of the future, but | :37:29. | :37:32. | |
I do think Janan is right. In the village, in the thick of it mindset, | :37:33. | :37:36. | |
you can get a bit carried away and you can be a bit in the famous. That | :37:37. | :37:46. | |
is before your era. He died. What did he mean by it. You can get a bit | :37:47. | :37:52. | |
carried away by it. I will have words with you during the break | :37:53. | :37:55. | |
It's just gone 11.35, you're watching the Sunday Politics. | :37:56. | :37:57. | |
We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland who leave us now | :37:58. | :38:00. | |
Coming up here in 20 minutes, we'll be talking about Ed Miliband's | :38:01. | :38:09. | |
Hello and welcome to Sunday Politics East. | :38:10. | :38:10. | |
Health workers' fears that patients receiving mental health card are | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
at risk and their legal rights are being breached. | :38:15. | :38:20. | |
When they do an assessment `nd there is no bed available anywherd in the | :38:21. | :38:27. | |
country, that means that thdy are unable to legally fulfil thdir | :38:28. | :38:28. | |
responsibilities. And troubled waters in Cambridge, | :38:29. | :38:30. | |
where the Lib Dems put the leadership | :38:31. | :38:33. | |
of their party to the vote. It was a fantastic debate. We had a | :38:34. | :38:42. | |
huge number of members of the Liberal Democrats who could express | :38:43. | :38:43. | |
their opinions. But first to our guests ` | :38:44. | :38:46. | |
Sir Bob Russell, the Lib Dem MP for Colchestdr, and | :38:47. | :38:48. | |
Councillor George Nobbs, thd Labour But I wanted to start this week with | :38:49. | :38:51. | |
the criticisms of Ofsted has raised concerns | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
about the Olive Tree School, after books with fundamentalist | :38:57. | :39:02. | |
views were found in the library The school was also criticised | :39:03. | :39:06. | |
for not doing enough to prolote In terms of the religious ethos of | :39:07. | :39:09. | |
the school, we completely rdject it. We believe it is an Islamophobic | :39:10. | :39:16. | |
report based upon a right wing extremist, Michael | :39:17. | :39:19. | |
Gove, whose ignorance of Islam is This came on the same day that six | :39:20. | :39:23. | |
Birmingham schools were put in special measures for failing to | :39:24. | :39:29. | |
protect pupils from Islamic extremism and there are fears that | :39:30. | :39:32. | |
schools elsewhere have been targeted I can only speak on what I know | :39:33. | :39:51. | |
which is very little about schools in Luton. All I can say is that if | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
this is going on and off st`ge is saying it is, then it is not | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
acceptable. It is not acceptable for any religious top when of any fees | :40:01. | :40:05. | |
or the nomination to be taught to children. I have long held the view | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
that we should follow the French example, where you do not h`ve | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
religious schools but relighon is taught as part of the curriculum in | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
state schools. My worry is that where you have a feast days still, | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
which could be Christian, is that those youngsters do not mix in the | :40:24. | :40:29. | |
real world and become institutionalised. `` faith `based | :40:30. | :40:30. | |
skill. Do you think this raises important | :40:31. | :40:32. | |
issues abut British Values? We have always had a tradithon of | :40:33. | :40:44. | |
tolerance for people with other religious views, like you in | :40:45. | :40:52. | |
Colchester. But to the nation is a two`way street. We are happx to | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
tolerate people who have bedn persecuted for their religious | :40:58. | :41:02. | |
beliefs but I do not think we can tolerate intolerance itself. To | :41:03. | :41:06. | |
blame all stayed is very unfair I think. Ofsted said the school was | :41:07. | :41:13. | |
inadequate. `` to blame Ofsted. It said that they were not exposed to | :41:14. | :41:17. | |
other faiths and lifestyle. They also criticised but you cannot have | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
it both ways. You cannot accept it when they see were good and rejected | :41:23. | :41:24. | |
when they criticise it. Well, | :41:25. | :41:28. | |
the rule of law might be a British Health professionals in Norfolk and | :41:29. | :41:31. | |
Suffolk are claiming that m`nagers are failing in their legal duty | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
of care to mental health patients They've been taking part | :41:36. | :41:37. | |
in a public consultation th`t's overwhelmingly opposed proposals to | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
cut mental health beds in W`veney When he is at home, | :41:42. | :41:44. | |
you feel like you have to cope. It is your husband, the person | :41:45. | :41:49. | |
you love most in the world. But seeing him going bit by bit | :41:50. | :41:52. | |
knowing how he was Dementia has taken away her husband, | :41:53. | :41:55. | |
David, the man that Police found him on a railw`y line, | :41:56. | :42:03. | |
which could have had That is when something had to be | :42:04. | :42:09. | |
done. Her one consolation is that David | :42:10. | :42:14. | |
is now safe and secure nearby. It is here at Carlton Court | :42:15. | :42:18. | |
in Lowestoft where he receives Last year, two 12 bed wards were | :42:19. | :42:21. | |
closed here along with a daycare centre | :42:22. | :42:28. | |
and the loss of more than 30 jobs. Three 12 bed wards | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
for continuing care remain open The question is ` for how mtch | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
longer? It is all part of | :42:37. | :42:40. | |
the reorganisation of mental health services in Norfolk and Suffolk | :42:41. | :42:42. | |
where the trust is trying to save A public consultation involving more | :42:43. | :42:46. | |
than 1000 people has reportdd claims that patient safety is being placed | :42:47. | :42:53. | |
at risk In the consultation, | :42:54. | :42:56. | |
they said exceptionally cle`rly that when they do an assessment | :42:57. | :43:14. | |
and there is no bed available anywhere in the country that means | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
that they are unable to leg`lly fulfil their responsibilitids under | :43:18. | :43:21. | |
the Mental Health Act. In the last couple of weeks, | :43:22. | :43:24. | |
we have had people admitted to Yorkshire and down | :43:25. | :43:27. | |
as far as Brighton. It is not just a bed issue, | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
our community services have been A meeting on | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
the public consultation will be held later this month and the final | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
decision is due in September. It is like having | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
a dagger hanging over your head You're trying to put it out of | :43:44. | :43:47. | |
your mind until you hear a decision but how can you not | :43:48. | :43:50. | |
think about it? Norman Lamb, the CCGs and | :43:51. | :43:52. | |
the board of the mental health trust all have a part to play, all seem to | :43:53. | :43:58. | |
say it's somebody else's problem. What would your message be to | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
Norman Lamb about the situation He has been reported | :44:04. | :44:06. | |
in saying that it is intolerable Instead of complaining | :44:07. | :44:14. | |
and passing the buck, he has to say Why are they saying that yot | :44:15. | :44:21. | |
have got to save ?20 million? People with mental illness or | :44:22. | :44:27. | |
a disease cannot stand up It has got to be up to | :44:28. | :44:30. | |
us to fight for them. Well, earlier this week our | :44:31. | :44:40. | |
correspondent Alan Soady met with Norman Lamb and he asked | :44:41. | :44:42. | |
the Minister why the closurd of wards has coincided with a reduction | :44:43. | :44:45. | |
in support in the community I have seen it myself | :44:46. | :44:48. | |
as a local member of Parlialent I have taken up issues with | :44:49. | :44:54. | |
the mental health trust and have to say that I have criticisms | :44:55. | :44:57. | |
of the mental health trust `bout the way in which they have sought | :44:58. | :45:01. | |
to achieve their reorganisation It was highly unfortunate, | :45:02. | :45:04. | |
I put it no more than that, that the chief executive who | :45:05. | :45:08. | |
launched the transformation of their services chose himself to | :45:09. | :45:13. | |
leave halfway through the process. Do you acknowledge that somd | :45:14. | :45:18. | |
patients are having to travdl much bigger distances | :45:19. | :45:21. | |
and that is not good for Yes and I find it | :45:22. | :45:25. | |
completely intolerable. If I was a family member solebody | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
sent off 200 miles away I would I have made it clear | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
from my position that this practice It is not necessarily always the | :45:36. | :45:42. | |
case that you need an inpathent bed. There are any progressives | :45:43. | :45:48. | |
in mental health care looking much more at alternatives | :45:49. | :45:52. | |
like recovery houses. Third sector organisations providing | :45:53. | :45:55. | |
brilliant resources, to avohd inpatient admission and help someone | :45:56. | :45:59. | |
go through a mental health crisis. Or providing support for people | :46:00. | :46:04. | |
at home. The response to this consultation | :46:05. | :46:07. | |
will come next month. Can you give any assurances that | :46:08. | :46:10. | |
there will be no further cuts Again, | :46:11. | :46:18. | |
coming back to the issue of beds, we have seen a significant reduction | :46:19. | :46:23. | |
in more than a decade in thd number Does that mean there | :46:24. | :46:27. | |
could be more cuts? It is getting the care right | :46:28. | :46:31. | |
for individuals. Across the country | :46:32. | :46:37. | |
we see variable lengths The progressives in mental health | :46:38. | :46:43. | |
believe that the average length of stay needs to come down | :46:44. | :46:50. | |
significantly, getting more people Much better early interventhon, | :46:51. | :46:52. | |
for instance, in psychosis, is something that everybody is | :46:53. | :46:58. | |
calling for across the systdm. Should you not be getting | :46:59. | :47:02. | |
the community part of it in place That is what the mental health | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
trust should be doing. They should be working | :47:07. | :47:15. | |
collaboratively with That is why it is really good that | :47:16. | :47:17. | |
the commissioner in Yarmouth has been proactive in trying to | :47:18. | :47:21. | |
understand community needs `nd working with the mental health trust | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
to ensure those needs are mdt. I don't have total power as minister | :47:26. | :47:29. | |
to achieve what I want to sde. But I will constantly, in the time I | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
have available, advocate That you will do all that you can | :47:35. | :47:38. | |
but the action will not necdssarily I am trying to be honest about the | :47:39. | :47:49. | |
things that I can do and cannot do. I have intervened directly to get | :47:50. | :47:57. | |
extra money for mental health. I will do everything I can within | :47:58. | :48:03. | |
my power. But in a very | :48:04. | :48:09. | |
decentralised system, which has this government came to powdr, | :48:10. | :48:12. | |
the decisions about allocathons Had the Norfolk and | :48:13. | :48:16. | |
Suffolk Foundation Trust run their proposals for change past the county | :48:17. | :48:31. | |
council's health scrutiny committee before making the redundanches | :48:32. | :48:33. | |
and sanctioning the bed closures? I do not think so. The decision is | :48:34. | :48:47. | |
not going to be taken and of September. But the beds that have | :48:48. | :48:52. | |
already been removed. There have been no cuts in great Yarmotth, I | :48:53. | :48:56. | |
cannot answer for Suffolk. Listening to Norman Lamb is like listdning to | :48:57. | :49:02. | |
what is pilot. Wringing his hands and saying, " is this not awful " He | :49:03. | :49:08. | |
is the Health Minister! Wikh rig from him all the time that he wishes | :49:09. | :49:11. | |
he could do something about it. If he feels that strongly then I | :49:12. | :49:18. | |
suggest he does something or resign. To keep saying it is terrible but | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
somebody of's fault. I think that is frankly. It is true. It is not. The | :49:24. | :49:31. | |
situation is that there is not enough money going into mental | :49:32. | :49:33. | |
health across the country. Hn the case we have here, if anybody can | :49:34. | :49:40. | |
get underneath and kicked b`ckside I have confidence that Norman Lamb is | :49:41. | :49:45. | |
the man to do it. As he said, in the delegate authority down to local | :49:46. | :49:50. | |
organisations and health trtsts you must rely on them to do it. What | :49:51. | :49:56. | |
this shows is that these huge medical advances in cancers, illness | :49:57. | :50:03. | |
and everything else, people are now surviving illnesses which would have | :50:04. | :50:07. | |
killed an elder generation. The unintended consequences are that | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
they are getting dementia l`ter in life. Let's talk about the | :50:12. | :50:13. | |
practicalities of that. People are being sent far away. They | :50:14. | :50:32. | |
have had to face 20% cuts ilposed by the Health Service, not by `nybody | :50:33. | :50:34. | |
locally but by the Government of self. 23% of people who present | :50:35. | :50:44. | |
themselves at the Health Service are there with mental health problems. | :50:45. | :50:48. | |
Something else needs to be done Norman knows there are cuts. What | :50:49. | :50:52. | |
money is being spent on the NHS under the Coalition governmdnt. . It | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
is more than the last Government. I expect there is an argument about | :50:58. | :51:03. | |
how you cut the cake but thd gig is better. Is it right to send people | :51:04. | :51:10. | |
hundreds of miles away? Of course it is not. Of course it is not. I think | :51:11. | :51:14. | |
that comes down to local management. I thought we had got away, but | :51:15. | :51:20. | |
clearly not, but we need to get away of the mentality of one trust | :51:21. | :51:25. | |
looking itself and the unintended consequences is that if thex do not | :51:26. | :51:30. | |
have the beds for psychiatrhc people but it could tie up police officers. | :51:31. | :51:35. | |
Mental health is labour`intdnsive. You can find new operations for | :51:36. | :51:38. | |
injuries but mental health pages 121. It is very personal. Thank you. | :51:39. | :51:46. | |
Now from a crisis in health care to a crunch vote | :51:47. | :51:48. | |
Three weeks after yet anothdr set of disastrous election results | :51:49. | :51:52. | |
in this region, party members in Cambridge have been | :51:53. | :51:54. | |
openly discussing whether their best hope would be a change of ldader. | :51:55. | :51:57. | |
A special meeting was held on Friday night, | :51:58. | :51:58. | |
where members debated whethdr or not to call for a leadership eldction. | :51:59. | :52:01. | |
After what was described as a lively three hour meethng they | :52:02. | :52:04. | |
voted, by the relatively narrow margin of 45`32, | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
We have a huge number of people members of the Liberal Democrats, | :52:09. | :52:17. | |
It is quite rare in politics these days for people to | :52:18. | :52:21. | |
You do not see it at Labour and Conservative party confdrences. | :52:22. | :52:26. | |
I am proud that my party is able to have that discussion. | :52:27. | :52:35. | |
I am joined by our political correspondent, Andrew Sincl`ir. | :52:36. | :52:37. | |
So is this now the end of the matter and what does it tell us about the | :52:38. | :52:42. | |
The vote was much closer th`n people were expecting and it's a shgn | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
Remember these are the grassroots, the people who loyally give | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
their time and money for a cause which they belidve | :52:51. | :52:53. | |
Here in the east they polled less than | :52:54. | :52:59. | |
The driving force behind thhs vote in Cambridge was that unauthorised | :53:00. | :53:03. | |
Labour were ahead of the Lib Dems by 14%. | :53:04. | :53:13. | |
If Vince Cable were leader, his poll claimed that lead would be | :53:14. | :53:18. | |
And that's why some thought it was time for Nick Clegg to go. | :53:19. | :53:27. | |
He can be an extremely eloqtent advocate but unfortunately he is so | :53:28. | :53:35. | |
unpopular with some people that he actually damages those causds when | :53:36. | :53:39. | |
he is advocating them. That is why I signed the letter. I do not think | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
you can be a party leader when such a big chunk of the electorate are | :53:44. | :53:50. | |
willing to give you a fair hearing. You could also argue that as the | :53:51. | :53:51. | |
queues outside Cambridge. And that's not just the casd | :53:52. | :53:56. | |
in Cambridge. The Lib Dems always used to call | :53:57. | :53:58. | |
themselves the official 11 years ago they ran all these | :53:59. | :54:00. | |
authorities, big rural ones like North Norfolk | :54:01. | :54:04. | |
and East Cambs, important urban ones Now they only run Colchester, | :54:05. | :54:06. | |
Bedford and Brentwood but they don't have a clear majority | :54:07. | :54:09. | |
and overall control. They are also part of a rainbow | :54:10. | :54:12. | |
alliance running Southend. Four years ago they had nearly 00 | :54:13. | :54:15. | |
councillors on borough, district But since 2010 they have lost 1 3 | :54:16. | :54:19. | |
councillors and are now And it's got so bad for the party | :54:20. | :54:25. | |
that in this year's local elections they didn't field a single candidate | :54:26. | :54:31. | |
in Great Yarmouth or Castle Point. That's very embarrassing | :54:32. | :54:34. | |
for a major political party. So will anywhere else call for | :54:35. | :54:37. | |
Nick Clegg to go? I think the moment has passdd | :54:38. | :54:40. | |
but there is a lot of concern In Norfolk, | :54:41. | :54:44. | |
where two county councillors signed that letter calling for Nick Clegg | :54:45. | :54:46. | |
to stand down, I was told bx one senior member that about a third of | :54:47. | :54:49. | |
the party would like Clegg to go, another third would agree if it | :54:50. | :54:53. | |
wasn't so close to an electhon. I've also heard rumblings of discontent | :54:54. | :54:56. | |
in Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire. The party leadership | :54:57. | :54:58. | |
in the region insists that this is just a minority and most melbers are | :54:59. | :55:00. | |
still behind Nick Clegg. `` there is no great wish to change | :55:01. | :55:10. | |
the leader within the party. Why not? Because it is not just Nick | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
Clegg. It is about the mess`ge that we all have the great across the | :55:16. | :55:21. | |
people. `` have to get across. It is about campaigning on the ground and | :55:22. | :55:25. | |
media to show that we are ddlivering success in government. It is not | :55:26. | :55:36. | |
easy to deliver success overnight. They believe they can still bounce | :55:37. | :55:38. | |
back. That vote was much too tight | :55:39. | :55:39. | |
for comfort. I will leave Cambridge to do what | :55:40. | :55:49. | |
they want to do. We are a ddmocratic party. I will go from this studio | :55:50. | :55:53. | |
back to Colchester for a celebration party. The Lib Dems have defended 26 | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
seats, held 25 in the past six years. All I can say is that the | :56:00. | :56:06. | |
results where Apache. You are in the room with me but that is about you | :56:07. | :56:09. | |
than the leadership and the Lib Dems, is not? That is nice of you to | :56:10. | :56:15. | |
see. The Lib Dems are strong in parts of the region and as hndicated | :56:16. | :56:19. | |
they are there are other ardas where we have no representation. We are | :56:20. | :56:28. | |
feeling it. When I was formdd by the National media, which are driving | :56:29. | :56:32. | |
this, and I'm disappointed hn the BBC for having polymers. It is not | :56:33. | :56:36. | |
the media, it is the lack of thoughts. There are elements in the | :56:37. | :56:41. | |
right wing Tory press who do not like the Coalition. They wanted to | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
have a right wing Tory government. And I will tell you a littld secret, | :56:46. | :56:49. | |
David Cameron prefer is working with the Liberal Democrats than being at | :56:50. | :56:57. | |
the beck and call of the right`wing head`bangers. I get on very well | :56:58. | :57:04. | |
with the Liberal Democrat local County Council because going | :57:05. | :57:07. | |
coalition with Labour there. That is what you should be doing nationally, | :57:08. | :57:14. | |
follow their example! But the thing is, they talked about whethdr Vince | :57:15. | :57:18. | |
Cable would be better than Nick Clegg. I think you would be. Have | :57:19. | :57:22. | |
you thought about it? Pleasd don't start that campaign! Stephen | :57:23. | :57:26. | |
Robinson mentioned a football analogy. He said that it might be a | :57:27. | :57:33. | |
team's fault but old medley in manager has the fall on his sword. | :57:34. | :57:39. | |
We are less than a year awax from a general election and when the media | :57:40. | :57:45. | |
phoned me I said that Ed Miliband Struan Stevenson they said, we mean | :57:46. | :57:48. | |
Nick Clegg! I said that he had been democratically elected by the | :57:49. | :57:54. | |
membership and so we support him. I support the reader and Cambridge | :57:55. | :57:57. | |
members are quite entitled to have a meeting and the majority of them | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
voted... Are you not at all dismayed at the plight of the party `t the | :58:03. | :58:06. | |
moment? When you look at thd election results be about? H am not | :58:07. | :58:11. | |
enthusiastic but what I am enthusiastic about is how Lhberal | :58:12. | :58:13. | |
Democrats, the first time in 80 years, they have been in government | :58:14. | :58:19. | |
of this country and we have delivered in college and sole of our | :58:20. | :58:23. | |
policies that I recognise what is being said here. It is a led | :58:24. | :58:27. | |
government. But in a coalithon, we have got some of our policids | :58:28. | :58:34. | |
through. Your party has been for 130 years split between two factions. | :58:35. | :58:39. | |
The liberals who believe in... And progressives. We will have. Which | :58:40. | :58:45. | |
one are you on? I am backing my party leader and a success story in | :58:46. | :58:49. | |
Colchester! We will discuss it a different day. | :58:50. | :58:50. | |
Now, the World Cup is well and truly underway in Brazil and | :58:51. | :58:53. | |
there's plenty of team spirht in our political round up this week. | :58:54. | :58:53. | |
Here it comes, in 60 seconds, with Chris Bond. | :58:54. | :59:06. | |
As firefighters staged the latest Day of action in their disptte over | :59:07. | :59:12. | |
pensions, the Communities Sdcretary was confident the union would soon | :59:13. | :59:13. | |
be on site. A deal has was confident the union would soon | :59:14. | :59:16. | |
be on site. A deal has been tantalisingly close for months. | :59:17. | :59:21. | |
Essex County Council are also in an upbeat mood. This time over | :59:22. | :59:26. | |
potholes, which they say will definitely be fixed before the Tour | :59:27. | :59:30. | |
de France since the county next month. | :59:31. | :59:33. | |
Futuristic vehicles were on the mind of the Business Secretary, Vince | :59:34. | :59:38. | |
Cable. In Milton Keynes this week to open the UK's first transport | :59:39. | :59:41. | |
innovation centre. The future looks rosy for this | :59:42. | :59:47. | |
little person, born at Basildon Hospital which is out of spdcial | :59:48. | :59:49. | |
measures. And will junior football te`ms be | :59:50. | :59:53. | |
banned from heading the ball in future? MPs are called for lore | :59:54. | :59:59. | |
pitch side expertise on the issue of concussion. Sport is about taking no | :00:00. | :00:04. | |
and making sure that people taking training understand how to deal with | :00:05. | :00:06. | |
those issues. `` taking hits. Is that good advice for polhticians, | :00:07. | :00:09. | |
too, get used to the school But my party is in good spirits We | :00:10. | :00:12. | |
are doing very well! If headers were banned, | :00:13. | :00:20. | |
Ballotelli wouldn't have scored the winner last night and m`ybe | :00:21. | :00:22. | |
we'd have come away with a draw Yvelines I could have headed that | :00:23. | :00:32. | |
one in. But to play ahead to be in the right place to score... We need | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
to be very serious about thhs. Heading is part of the game but what | :00:36. | :00:42. | |
is not being properly looked at at an amateur level and professional | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
level, is concussion and he`d injuries. Do you think it ndeds | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
looking at? In the past, whdn football is where heavier it was a | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
problem. Some footballers h`ve suffered from brain damage `nd when | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
dealing with children you h`ve to be extra careful. Thank you very much | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
for joining us. There are big changes afoot | :01:00. | :01:00. | |
in the EU following last month's European elections, | :01:01. | :01:15. | |
not least who'll get the top job But | :01:16. | :01:17. | |
behind the scenes the parties have also been jockeying for position as | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
they try to form the big groups that And UKIP seems to have been | :01:22. | :01:24. | |
struggling to keep its influence Here's Adam to explain | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
how it all works. If you want your party to be a big | :01:30. | :01:41. | |
cheese in the European Parliament, you need to form a political group. | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
By doing this, the party gets more money, more positions on committees | :01:46. | :01:49. | |
and even more speaking rights in the chamber. But the parliament's rules | :01:50. | :01:56. | |
are strict. And to form a group you need a group of 25 MPs from at least | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
seven different countries. For UKIP, the number of MEPs will not be a | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
problem because they already have 24 of their own, but the different | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
nationalities are more of a challenge. Nigel Farage was not | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
helped by the Tories stealing - stealing his former Danish and | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
Finnish allies, and the pen pinching his Italian charms. Nigel needs a | :02:19. | :02:26. | |
new charm and fast. He has already signed up Lithuania's order and | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
justice, a free citizen from Prague, and the Dutchman from the reformed | :02:30. | :02:35. | |
political party. The big signing was the 17 members of the Italian Beppe | :02:36. | :02:43. | |
Griego's 5-star movement, but it leaves UKIP short of two more | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
international powers, and with the clock ticking, it looks like his | :02:47. | :02:50. | |
hopes resting on the Swedish Democrats and the Polish new right | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
Congress. They both make their decisions next week. | :02:55. | :03:01. | |
What is the latest? UKIP have enough MEPs with their pals, but they need | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
seven countries, as I understand it. They are not there yet. They are | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
wrapped five countries and need another two. UKIP are being quite | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
buoyant and say they will be meeting MEPs from five countries next week | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
and are pretty confident they will get those countries, but as Adam was | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
saying, the problem UKIP have had is that the Conservatives have nicked | :03:25. | :03:33. | |
two of the parties. That is why they have been struggling, but they say | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
they are confident they will do it. Meanwhile, the Tories new best | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
friends are the German Eurosceptic party, which has put Mrs Merkel s | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
nose out of joint, but we don't quite know whether she really cares | :03:47. | :03:52. | |
or not. I think Cameron has played his hand badly since he committed to | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
pulling out of the EBP. And he should be in there with Angela | :03:59. | :04:05. | |
Merkel and if he needs to make a major renegotiation, he needs to | :04:06. | :04:11. | |
have the Germans onside. Instead there is a breakaway party and its | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
like supporting UKIP. His party are supporting her worst enemy. It | :04:17. | :04:22. | |
certainly causing him a lot of problems, and undermines his | :04:23. | :04:24. | |
negotiating position, but isn't there an honesty that the | :04:25. | :04:31. | |
centre-right group is explicitly Federalist, and the Tories are | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
anything but, so they came out, and Labour are in the Socialist group, | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
which is explicitly Federalist, and they are not Federalist either. If | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
you want support and influence in Europe, you have to trade, and he | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
hasn't done this well. The whole business with who will be the next | :04:49. | :04:55. | |
president, he needs Angela Merkel's support. Without that, it won't | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
happen. He should have been trading behind-the-scenes, but he has | :05:00. | :05:06. | |
exposed himself in public, and if he doesn't win it looks uncertain, and | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
he will be in a position where he has to go back to his own party and | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
say they are not getting anywhere. That is dangerous and takes us | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
closer to the Exeter, which I don't think would want. The danger for Mr | :05:17. | :05:23. | |
Cameron is if it is the president of the commission, he will save you | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
cannot stop a federalist becoming head of the European commission | :05:29. | :05:31. | |
what chance do you have of repatriating lots of powers back to | :05:32. | :05:38. | |
London. There are lots of Tory MPs dying to make the argument. My hunch | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
is that he won't make it. There are too many countries opposed to his | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
presidency and even the country notionally in favour of it, Germany, | :05:47. | :05:52. | |
is failing in youth -- enthusiasm. Angela Merkel cannot be seen to give | :05:53. | :05:57. | |
in to the Brits this. Her own side once it as well, though some reason | :05:58. | :06:04. | |
the German media says it. When she tried to reach out and said to look | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
at the other candidates, she got such abuse on the right wing press | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
from her own country and party she had to retreat. Janan is right that | :06:14. | :06:23. | |
there is opposition to Juncker, but as long as Cameron turns it into an | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
argument about Britain and Europe, he will strengthen the hand of | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
Juncker. Angela Merkel thinks Juncker is inappropriate. She did | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
not like the process, which was a power grab by the European | :06:41. | :06:43. | |
Parliament, but when David Cameron went to the council and said that if | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
I don't get my way, we could leave the EU, that led to the backlash, | :06:48. | :06:54. | |
most significantly from the SPD in Germany. As Tony Blair says, if only | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
David Cameron had made the argument that Juncker is bad for Europe, then | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
he would have found his natural allies would have felt more | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
comfortable following behind. Enough Europe. I want to show you a | :07:07. | :07:14. | |
picture. See what you think of this. When I saw that picture, I thought | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
it was so ludicrous that it had to have been photo shop. Discuss. He is | :07:19. | :07:25. | |
holding it with a certain disdain, looking a bit hangdog. A disastrous | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
picture for Ed Miliband. His strength is authenticity, sincerity | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
and cleverness. And he blows all of that. He was the one who took on | :07:36. | :07:38. | |
Murdoch, very bravely and dangerously, and one, really. Now | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
there he is supporting Murdoch's son. It's a big mistake, not just in | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
Liverpool, where obviously they are particularly incensed. And then he | :07:48. | :07:55. | |
apologises. Sort of apologises and understands why Liverpool feels | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
upset. But it is a fundamental error and I hope he learns from this, that | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
he must absolutely stay true to himself. That's all he's got going | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
for him. Who do we blame? His advisers or himself? In the end | :08:09. | :08:16. | |
himself. Nobody forced him to do it. On this one, he called it wrong | :08:17. | :08:23. | |
It's a sign of the rather the bridal state of the Labour Party is that | :08:24. | :08:30. | |
his candidates were vocal in attacking him doing this. It's a | :08:31. | :08:39. | |
sign of how readable Ed Miliband is at Parliamentary level. I don't | :08:40. | :08:41. | |
think you should have apologised. The mistake he made was associating | :08:42. | :08:50. | |
himself with that newspaper. The mistake was the prior three years | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
when he went too far as portraying the Murdoch empire beyond the pale. | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
He made a case against phone hacking and offences in that regard without | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
going as far as he did with the rhetoric. To do that, and then pose | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
with the Sun newspaper, the juxtaposition is what did for him, | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
not the mere fact of posing with it. Maybe he did not know what he was | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
doing because we were told he doesn't read the British | :09:19. | :09:21. | |
newspapers. It was football, and he has posed with the Sun newspaper | :09:22. | :09:26. | |
before. Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg posed as well. But with the Sun | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
newspaper and football, you tread carefully. That was the mistake You | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
get the impression from the picture that he looks so uncomfortable that | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
you wonder whether there was a full process of consultation that went on | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
within his media operation, within his political operation. Was he | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
fully aware of what would happen question what he looks so incredibly | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
uncomfortable. But at the end of the day, leaders have to take | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
responsibility. It is cultural as well. That picture says, I am down | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
there with the football blokes and you think, you are not. That is not | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
what people will vote for. Be yourself and don't pretend to be | :10:04. | :10:05. | |
something else because it never works. But the polls suggest that | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
the British voters don't yet see Ed Miliband as prime ministerial. The | :10:11. | :10:16. | |
worst thing you can then do is get involved in stunts that are more | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
likely to reinforce that idea than counter it. There was a precedent | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
for it in the last parliament which was Gordon Brown's attempts to feign | :10:24. | :10:30. | |
a populist touch. He did it by telling the contents of his iPod. | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
The Arctic monkeys. It always jarred because he was trying too hard. Not | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
uniquely guilty of, Ed Miliband all the other leaders have done it. At | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
the moment he more vulnerable. Yes, and he is less popular than his | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
party. Labour has quite a popular brand, in a resilient way, in a way | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
they don't with the Tories, yet their leader is a personal problem. | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
The pressure is on him to do stunts like this. Will there be a shadow | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
cabinet reshuffle? Yes, we have to get the cabinet reshuffle out of the | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
way first, and that might come next week, maybe by the time of the | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
summer recess, but the first thing that the prime Minister do is work | :11:11. | :11:13. | |
out who is the UK candidate for the European Commissioner. Is it not the | :11:14. | :11:20. | |
case probably that Ed Balls is becoming semi-detached from the Ed | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
Miliband project? I don't think entirely. Nothing gets agreed | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
without both of the end are green. Ed Balls is controversial. He has | :11:29. | :11:31. | |
great pluses and minuses and is a big figure. Labour doesn't have that | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
many big figures. It's quite hard to think who would be a heavy hitter as | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
a possible Chancellor. He is a convincing chancellor to the future, | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
Love him. He has the heft -- love him or hate him. Any possibility Ed | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
Balls could be moved as shadow chancellor? The timing is convenient | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
because the Scottish referendum ends in the autumn and Alistair Darling | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
becomes a free man, win or lose I don't think Ed Balls will be removed | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
because moving him would be an admission that everything the Labour | :12:05. | :12:06. | |
Party said about the economy to the preceding four years has been a | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
mistake. And you can't do that nine months before a general election. | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
You invite ridicule. But relations between Ed Miliband and Ed Balls are | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
not great at the moment. The Ed Miliband team are very, very | :12:20. | :12:22. | |
suspicious of this new love in between Ed Balls and Peter | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
Mandelson. Mandelson likes to say that he spotted the Ed Balls talents | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
in the original place and appointed him to the Gordon Brown team after | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
the disaster of 1992. But things obviously went awry, and now Ed | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
Balls and Peter Mandelson Avenue Rappaport, and that is with enormous | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
suspicion -- they have a new Rappaport. With good reason because | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
it's about policy. It's about the attitude towards business. Should | :12:51. | :12:52. | |
they be out there saying they will get the tax dodgers, Starbucks, | :12:53. | :12:58. | |
Vodafone, are we going to take on business in a big way? In a way that | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
Ed Miliband has quite bravely said. On the other hand, Ed Balls and | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
Peter Mandelson are saying, hang on, we only won in 1997 by being | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
business friendly. Sorry to rush you. We are running out of time | :13:11. | :13:13. | |
The Daily Politics will be back every day this week at midday, | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
and I'll be back here next Sunday when I'll be joined | :13:18. | :13:19. | |
by the shadow work and pensions secretary Rachel Reeves.Remember | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics. | :13:23. | :13:53. | |
Magnificent. The power base of medieval England. | :13:54. | :14:00. | |
Charles' ceiling was a piece of breathtaking arrogance. | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
You get a sense of the people who made the palaces. | :14:06. | :14:13. | |
as I unlock the secrets of Britain's great palaces. | :14:14. | :14:17. |