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Good morning and welcome to Sunday Politics Scotland. | :00:36. | :00:37. | |
As the EU imposes tough sanctions on Russia, we'll ask what effect it | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
We'll be speaking to the former Liberal Democrat leader, | :00:43. | :00:48. | |
Sir Ming Campbell, about why he supports taking a | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
100 years on from the outbreak of World War One, could such | :00:51. | :01:01. | |
This week, the screws were tightened on Vladimir Putin | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
as sweeping sanctions were imposed on Russia by the EU and the USA. | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
The West has plucked up courage as it seeks a resolution to | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
But you can't get into a fight without taking a hit and British | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
and Scottish companies will feel the effect of export restrictions. | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
Russia could also retaliate in the future, perhaps heaping more | :01:23. | :01:24. | |
Searches continue around the wreckage of MH 17 more than two | :01:25. | :01:41. | |
weeks after it crashed, allegedly struck down by Russian - supported | :01:42. | :01:47. | |
rebels. EU foreign ministers decided Russia had not done enough to stop | :01:48. | :02:03. | |
the supply of arms. The EU is targeting state-owned banks, it has | :02:04. | :02:10. | |
imposed an arms embargo, exports of oral equipment have been curtailed | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
as well. The US also has sanctions on weapons, energy and finance. The | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
decisions made in Brussels will affect key sectors of the Russian | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
economy but these are also key sectors of the British, Scottish | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
economies, so these restrictions will have an impact. David Cameron | :02:31. | :02:37. | |
himself said you can't throw a punch without bruising your first and this | :02:38. | :02:45. | |
has been a dilemma with the EU. These sanctions are intended to hit | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
Russia's economy in certain sensitive areas but you can't do | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
that without also harming your own companies. So companies feeling the | :02:55. | :03:03. | |
pinch. BP has warned its business could suffer. It has a 20% stake in | :03:04. | :03:10. | |
a Russian energy giant. Shell said they would assess the impact. The | :03:11. | :03:18. | |
oil technology sector will be hit by ex-board controls. With the oil | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
industry dominated by transactions in US dollars, British and European | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
banks will be worried whether new regulations. Meanwhile, RBS said on | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
Friday it would reduce their exposure to Russia. That is the | :03:34. | :03:40. | |
situation now. Any future Russian retaliation could throw up new trade | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
barriers. Scottish exports like whiskey could be affected. There are | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
conflicted views on how Putin wants to play this. Stay popular at home | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
and make the west out to be the bogeyman or de-escalate the | :03:57. | :03:59. | |
situation to save the Russian economy. And perhaps even the | :04:00. | :04:01. | |
European economy as well. I'm joined by Sir Menzies Campbell, | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
who's at Murrayfield stadium this This problem of sanctions, do you | :04:06. | :04:20. | |
think that is simply a secondary consideration and they have to just | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
put up and shut up in the interests of the greater good? I wouldn't put | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
it in those terms but you have to ask yourself this question: Can we | :04:31. | :04:36. | |
go on treating Russia as if it is business as usual? The answer, in my | :04:37. | :04:43. | |
view, is most certainly not because Russia has undoubtedly supported the | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
dissidents in eastern Ukraine, they supplied the missiles which brought | :04:50. | :04:51. | |
down the Malaysian airlines aircraft, and since then, Mr Putin | :04:52. | :04:57. | |
has done very little to help in the international investigation of the | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
causes of that crime when he could have brought | :05:02. | :05:46. | |
causes of that crime when he could are affected where as the people who | :05:47. | :05:48. | |
could really have an impact on the Russian economy will have nothing to | :05:49. | :05:49. | |
could really have an impact on the remember before the aircraft was | :05:50. | :06:45. | |
shot down, Mr Putin was sounding rather more considerate sea because | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
of the impact of sanctions on him. There is also evidence that the | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
oligarchs, the people closest to him and who -- whose support he | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
requires, have put pressure on him to alter the nature of his foreign | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
policy. I don't accept the notion that these sanctions will not have | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
an impact. The other thing people might say is, businesses in Britain | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
might suffer from the sanctions but wouldn't it be helpful of existing | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
contracts were cancelled? While people have been asked not to export | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
to Russia, the French are exporting warships to Russia! They have an | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
existing contract and if they didn't fulfil that, the French government | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
would be sued but I think it is perfectly legitimate to say because | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
of the recent behaviour, there is no longer to be any export of military | :07:43. | :07:49. | |
equipment or a dual use equipment because some equipment, if exported, | :07:50. | :07:56. | |
can only be put to legitimate civil use but military use as well. The | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
people got to understand what the impact on the stability in Europe | :08:00. | :08:06. | |
will be if Russia persists in pursuing this aggressive and | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
nationalist policy. The argument the British government is adopting is it | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
is backing Vladimir Putin into a corner. He has effectively been told | :08:17. | :08:27. | |
to give in or put up a fight. There is only one choice you will make. If | :08:28. | :08:35. | |
he insists on putting up a fight, there are consequences of that. This | :08:36. | :08:41. | |
is a man who led the annexation of a large part of a territory of a | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
sovereign nation. The impact of that upon the stability of the European | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
continent is very substantial and if we were having this conversation in | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
Latvia or Estonia or Lithuania, we would have in different terms. I | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
have been to that part of the world recently and there is great anxiety | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
about the extent to which Russia may now begin to exercise pressure on | :09:06. | :09:11. | |
these Baltic states. It has got to be demonstrated that the European | :09:12. | :09:18. | |
Union and United States will resist that we are sending 1300 troops to | :09:19. | :09:31. | |
conduct exercises in the Baltics in order to demonstrate that we have a | :09:32. | :09:34. | |
commitment to this part of the world, not least of course because | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
it is a member of the European Union. The Russians are among the | :09:38. | :09:44. | |
first to make the contrast between the attitude of the west of the | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
situation in eastern Ukraine and Gaza. Philip Hammond said this | :09:49. | :09:56. | |
morning that the situation in Gaza was one of intolerable suffering, he | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
had received thousands of e-mails from British citizen is objecting to | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
what was going on in Gaza, yet compared to these tougher sanctions | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
you are calling for in the case of eastern Ukraine, the British | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
government seems to be doing little other than hang wringing when it | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
comes to Gaza. I and many other people are doing a great deal and | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
indeed Nick Clegg in an article he wrote for the Guardian, doing | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
everything we can to alter the policy of the British government. | :10:28. | :10:39. | |
Hold on. I believe the British government's position has been too | :10:40. | :10:45. | |
literal. Nearly 2000 citizens of Gaza have been killed in | :10:46. | :10:48. | |
circumstances where Israel, which has some of the most sophisticated | :10:49. | :10:54. | |
military equipment, has essentially imposed a collective punishment. | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
That is wrong and that is why I shall do everything in my power to | :10:59. | :11:01. | |
persuade the British government to say it is wrong. When Ed Miliband | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
says that David Cameron and the British government should have | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
imposed in Gaza, you would agree with him? I would agree with a | :11:13. | :11:19. | |
position which Nick Clegg and in the Liberal Democrats have taken up. If | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
Ed Miliband belatedly wants to come along and support that position, I | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
am in favour of that, but you have to remember that a lot of the time, | :11:29. | :11:35. | |
the Labour Party's position is more concerned about next May in the | :11:36. | :11:44. | |
immediate impact of their policy. It is the anniversary tomorrow of the | :11:45. | :11:47. | |
outbreak of the First World War. Many people are making comparisons | :11:48. | :11:53. | |
with the situation now and the situation in August, 1914. It's not | :11:54. | :11:59. | |
just eastern Ukraine. There is Libya, Syria, Iraq, possibly Lebanon | :12:00. | :12:09. | |
now, where it looks as if the West has lost any sense of what it is | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
doing. Do you think we are entering into a situation which is more | :12:14. | :12:24. | |
dangerous than recently? I agree with the last part of your question. | :12:25. | :12:38. | |
There is instability. But you have to ask yourself if the implication | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
of your question is, why are we not doing more, what could we do? It has | :12:44. | :12:51. | |
been suggested we should take military action against Syria. There | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
is a limited amount of military capability in this country and I | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
haven't had many people who are particularly interested in defence | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
matters arguing that in order to maintain defence capability, we | :13:07. | :13:09. | |
should cut expenditure in other areas like health and education. | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
Joining me now from Inverness is energy economist | :13:16. | :13:17. | |
Tony Mackay and Jim Wyllie is a lecturer in International Relations | :13:18. | :13:20. | |
at the University of Aberdeen and is in our studio there. | :13:21. | :13:27. | |
Is it true you were a drinking partner of the Russian prime | :13:28. | :13:38. | |
minister? Are yes, I worked in Moscow the a few years. He and I are | :13:39. | :13:45. | |
old friends. You can give us some insight into how you believe the | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
Russians will react to this new wave of sanctions. Will they back off or | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
will it make them more determined to stick on the course they are on? In | :13:58. | :14:04. | |
the short run, President Putin is determined to stick to his current | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
policies. It will have negative impacts for Scotland. BP is a very | :14:10. | :14:16. | |
important player in the Russian oil industry and has a very good track | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
record of using supplies from Aberdeen and elsewhere in Scotland | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
that has worked with in the North Sea in Russia. There are companies, | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
particularly in the Aberdeen area, that will be affected by these | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
sanctions. Will they be affected in the short term? Presumably, those | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
sorts of things these people are involved in our medium to short-term | :14:41. | :14:51. | |
contracts. You are probably right. Also, the oil industry in Scotland | :14:52. | :14:57. | |
is going through a boom period, both in the North Sea and exports to west | :14:58. | :15:04. | |
Africa and the Caspian Sea. The companies that temporarily lose | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
contracts in the Russian Federation can probably find alternative | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
markets elsewhere. But there are other risks. I saw the other day | :15:13. | :15:20. | |
that Russia has banned imports of Polish apples, a few years ago, it | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
banned Georgian wine. So there are risks to scotch whiskey, salmon and | :15:25. | :15:33. | |
other exports. You think the whole sanctions policy is wrong. Explain | :15:34. | :15:43. | |
why. Sanctions are invariably strategic. It is when politicians | :15:44. | :15:49. | |
want to show the electorate they feel about something but don't know | :15:50. | :15:57. | |
what to do so they have sanctions. Surely you are not suggesting | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
military action? I didn't even hint at it. That would be crazy. What | :16:03. | :16:10. | |
needs to happen is to ask ourselves, what have other people done? They | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
would have called an international conference. This... The great powers | :16:15. | :16:22. | |
would have sat down and recognise the realities on the ground in this | :16:23. | :16:27. | |
particular part of the world. Russia has got huge interest and in terms | :16:28. | :16:35. | |
of capabilities, in terms of resolve, or the balances in | :16:36. | :16:42. | |
Russia's favour. The Ukraine is not part of the EU all NATO but | :16:43. | :16:48. | |
nonetheless, the great powers would have had influence on moderating | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
Russian demands and recognising the realities on the ground. Please let | :16:53. | :17:04. | |
me finish. The point I put two Ming Campbell is, do you believe there is | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
a danger that we in the West put Vladimir Putin in a position where | :17:10. | :17:16. | |
he cannot give in? This is what I was talking about when I said the | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
balance of resolve. The nature of the sanctions were imposing, for | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
example a ban on future military contract but carrying on with the | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
current ones. For example, drawing some spurious distinction between | :17:33. | :17:35. | |
energy development, but somehow we are going to try and control, but | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
current drilling and exploration can go on. This demonstrates that | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
really, at the bottom of it all, we don't quite have the resolve. Now, | :17:44. | :17:50. | |
let's not conflate the issue of the downing of the airliner, that | :17:51. | :17:57. | |
tragedy, with the other issues. That was an incident in the wider | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
strategic problem. That wider problem is how to deal with Russian | :18:02. | :18:07. | |
interests in this part of the world. Economic war at the very time when | :18:08. | :18:15. | |
the Argentina are defaulting and Germany has hurtling towards zero | :18:16. | :18:18. | |
growth, Portugal and Italy are on the verge of another economic | :18:19. | :18:26. | |
crisis, then to go into economic war with Russia is absolute nonsense. | :18:27. | :18:33. | |
Tony Mackay, again from your insight from working with the Russian state, | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
do you agree with that, do you think they would be receptive to an | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
approach that would say let's put to one side the issue of the airliner | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
and have an investigation into it, but let's all get down to sit at a | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
table and try and sort this out? Now, I think it is part of a wider | :18:51. | :18:56. | |
problem. I have been working in Ukraine for the last couple of | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
years. The Russian Federation is very strongly opposed to greater | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
integration between Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, with the | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
European Union. They have been trying everything they can to stop | :19:10. | :19:16. | |
that, including threats about increases in gas prices to Germany | :19:17. | :19:22. | |
and Italy. So, I don't think it is limited to the Ukraine. I certainly | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
think personally that the European Union does have to take a strong | :19:27. | :19:32. | |
stand against these issues. We will have to leave it there. Thank you to | :19:33. | :19:33. | |
both of you for joining us. A series of events to mark | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
the 100th anniversary of the First World War will begin | :19:37. | :19:39. | |
across the country tomorrow. In Glasgow a service of memorial | :19:40. | :19:41. | |
will be held at the city's cathedral, next week more than 8,000 | :19:42. | :19:44. | |
people from across Scotland are expected to remember the fallen | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
at a service at Edinburgh Castle. Our reporter looks back at the role | :19:48. | :19:49. | |
Scots played in the Great War. Hello darling, this is the Army. I | :19:50. | :20:09. | |
just have the time to write. PC this war will end all wars. I really hope | :20:10. | :20:18. | |
it will. Scottish troops played a crucial role in the great War, | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
recognisable in their kilts, referred to by some as the ladies | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
from hell, they played significant parts in the Battle of Loos, the | :20:28. | :20:34. | |
Somme, Paris and Cambrai. 100,000 Scottish soldiers lost their lives. | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
Glasgow alone left 18,000 men -- lost. Many rural communities were | :20:40. | :20:45. | |
changed profoundly. Scotland lost more of its trips in the conflict | :20:46. | :20:53. | |
than in any other country in relative terms. It had industrial | :20:54. | :20:58. | |
forces behind it. It was the first time nations could use railways, | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
modern rifles and explosives. That industrial power forced up the death | :21:03. | :21:09. | |
toll. In the aftermath, the league of Nations was designed to avoid a | :21:10. | :21:15. | |
repeat of such large-scale loss, by favouring mutual disarmament and | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
settling disputes through negotiation and arbitration. But the | :21:20. | :21:21. | |
contradiction between collective security and states' national | :21:22. | :21:29. | |
interests was clear. Arguably, 100 years on, national interest is still | :21:30. | :21:35. | |
paramount. But what has changed is the way European politicians pursue | :21:36. | :21:36. | |
those interests. I am joined in the studio by | :21:37. | :21:38. | |
Peter Jackson who's Chair in Global Security studies at | :21:39. | :21:41. | |
Glasgow University. Let me perhaps get things the wrong | :21:42. | :21:52. | |
way round and start asking you about the present before I ask you about | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
the past. There is a theme in this programme. Sanctions in Ukraine | :21:58. | :22:05. | |
which we have spoken about. Niall Ferguson in The Financial Times was | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
seeing the situation in eastern Ukraine could be a parallel to what | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
happened in 1914 in the sense that a whole lot of things came together, | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
no one was really aware of what -- were war was going to break out at | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
the time, and suddenly warm was going on which nobody actually | :22:26. | :22:31. | |
wanted. Is there a parallel? I think there are some interesting | :22:32. | :22:33. | |
parallels, but I don't think we should be pushed too far. Niall | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
Ferguson tends to parallels too far as a matter of habit. I suppose the | :22:39. | :22:47. | |
big parallel would be the role of Serbia in 1914 and the role of the | :22:48. | :22:52. | |
Ukraine, especially the separatist elements in eastern Ukraine, today. | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
In other words, there was a frontier region which was considered vital to | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
the security of a much larger rate power, Russia in 2014, Austria | :23:02. | :23:08. | |
Hungary in 1914. And was external involvement in the form of Western | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
support for Ukraine and their democratic processes to the extent | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
that they exist, versus Russian support for Serbia in 1914 which was | :23:20. | :23:25. | |
considered a direct threat to the security of the Austro-Hungarian | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
Empire. Eastern Ukraine is not the only parallel which has been made. | :23:31. | :23:33. | |
Last year, the Economist magazine was seeing there could be an August | :23:34. | :23:41. | |
1914 situation, but it was pointing to East Asia and to the Americans | :23:42. | :23:48. | |
and the tensions over the islands between Japan and China. Are these | :23:49. | :23:56. | |
real parallels, or are we just too fond of making parallels? I am of | :23:57. | :24:02. | |
the opinion that history doesn't tend to repeat itself. All you can | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
draw parallels, every political situation is different. The | :24:08. | :24:15. | |
situation in East Asia just now is very different to the Balkans in | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
1914. A lot of little things can happen, and while politicians and | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
diplomats like to talk to us, and sometimes historians, in terms of | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
grand strategy, as if all these things are planned out in the agents | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
of histamine or what they are doing, obviously the First World War | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
crept up on them. Who could have said that ISIS would take over | :24:42. | :24:49. | |
sections of Iraq in silly? I can not agree more. It is one lesson is that | :24:50. | :24:57. | |
historians and policymakers should learn from the past. The medium and | :24:58. | :25:02. | |
long-term consequences of decisions made today are always to a certain | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
extent imponderable. It is important to reflect carefully on how things | :25:08. | :25:11. | |
might go wrong. It is in that sense I think that if we learn any lessons | :25:12. | :25:22. | |
from 1914, I would think that decisions to adopt a more | :25:23. | :25:25. | |
confrontational policy to escalate tensions can actually lead to | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
unforeseen consequences in conflict. I don't think that is going to | :25:31. | :25:35. | |
happen in 2014 over the Ukraine, or at least in the short or medium term | :25:36. | :25:42. | |
in the Pacific region. Let's go to the past. There was almost an | :25:43. | :25:49. | |
orthodoxy for a long time that the great War, unlike the Second World | :25:50. | :25:52. | |
War, neither side was particularly more right than the others. They | :25:53. | :25:59. | |
were a bunch of generals sending hundreds of innocent working people | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
to the slaughter. Is that still the dominant view? That was the dominant | :26:04. | :26:09. | |
view for a very long time. The origins of the First World War are | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
very different from the origins of the Second World War. In the 1960s, | :26:14. | :26:20. | |
however, a historian came up with a new argument that one could actually | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
trace continuity between Germany's aims in the First World War, which | :26:26. | :26:32. | |
were to build an empire in central Europe and Eastern European Russia, | :26:33. | :26:38. | |
and those of the long-term goals of Nazi foreign policy in 1939. From | :26:39. | :26:46. | |
the early 1960s until the 1990s, historians debated over the merits | :26:47. | :26:51. | |
of that thesis, but most have argued that Germany did behave more | :26:52. | :26:57. | |
recklessly than the other powers in 1914, mainly because it considered | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
the long-term trajectories of the balance of power to be working | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
against it. The other thing would be the outcome of the First World War. | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
One of the things this seems to be consensus on is that the Allies' | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
punitive attitude to Germany at least helped to pave the way for the | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
Second World War, perhaps a lesson we should learn from regarding | :27:20. | :27:26. | |
current circumstances? I agree with your line of argument. It is | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
important not to back the current Russian government into a corner. In | :27:31. | :27:37. | |
that sense, I am in agreement with some of the commentators we heard | :27:38. | :27:42. | |
from a few moments ago. However, I don't think that the parallels with | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
the Paris peace conference, the Treaty of Versailles, are all that | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
relevant. Most historians nowadays consider that the Treaty of | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
Versailles was far less punitive than it was characterised to have | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
been after 1919. On that intriguing thought, we will have to leave it | :28:03. | :28:04. | |
there. Thank you. Let's cross now | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
for the news with Andrew Kerr. The defence contractor Babcock | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
has warned independence could But the Scottish government insists | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
a yes vote will protect jobs Babcock has repeatedly raised | :28:18. | :28:23. | |
concerns about They claim it is unlikely all | :28:24. | :28:31. | |
existing naval support staff The centre of Glasgow has been | :28:32. | :28:45. | |
closed for the cycling road race. The men's event started | :28:46. | :28:53. | |
a short time ago. England's Lizzie Armistead went one | :28:54. | :28:54. | |
better than four years ago in New Dehli as she claimed gold | :28:55. | :28:57. | |
in the women's event. Crowds have been gathering to cheer | :28:58. | :29:00. | |
on the cyclists as they take on some of | :29:01. | :29:02. | |
the city's remarkably steep hills. And the Commonwealth Games will draw | :29:03. | :29:09. | |
to a close tonight at Hampden. Organisers say it will be just | :29:10. | :29:13. | |
as Glaswegian as the opening Organisers say it will be just | :29:14. | :30:55. | |
are clear. I have access to a marketplace of 65 million customers. | :30:56. | :30:58. | |
I work with the same tax system and don't have to deal with currency | :30:59. | :31:03. | |
exchange rates. All of this is critical to the success of | :31:04. | :31:06. | |
businesses in the UK. From a branding perspective, I have the | :31:07. | :31:12. | |
flexibility of being able to advertise myself as either a | :31:13. | :31:15. | |
Scottish company or a British company. That is hugely important in | :31:16. | :31:21. | |
the food and drinks industry. 600,000 Scottish jobs are dependent | :31:22. | :31:28. | |
on UK-based companies. Independence puts all of the Scottish jobs at | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
risk. I believe we need to do more to ensure that the affordability of | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
childcare and we need to do more to ensure equal pay for women. We need | :31:39. | :31:42. | |
to do more to get women into the boardroom and into business. We need | :31:43. | :31:47. | |
to do more to get women into our Parliament and civil service. But we | :31:48. | :31:50. | |
don't need to take the rest of independence to achieve this. Have | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
all the powers necessary to do that today. As a mother, I am concerned | :31:55. | :32:02. | |
about my children's future. Independence is an irreversible | :32:03. | :32:05. | |
decision. I want my children to grow up in a country that is | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
forward-looking, not inward looking and insular. I believe they can and | :32:10. | :32:13. | |
do have the best of both worlds. We need to retain the strength and | :32:14. | :32:17. | |
security of the UK, while bringing in more powers for Scotland. | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
Ruth McKay there, and next week we will have our next guest to explain | :32:22. | :32:24. | |
Now it is time to have a look at what is coming up in the week ahead. | :32:25. | :32:34. | |
I'm joined by David Clegg, who's political editor at the | :32:35. | :32:36. | |
Daily Record, and Isobel Lindsay, vice chair of Scottish CND and | :32:37. | :32:39. | |
Let's start with what we have been talking about. Do you feel worried? | :32:40. | :32:57. | |
It has been very unsettling in the last few months. We have gone from | :32:58. | :33:05. | |
one situation to the other. You can't help but watch the scenes in | :33:06. | :33:11. | |
Gaza and feel distraught. The situation in Ukraine is extremely | :33:12. | :33:14. | |
worrying because we thought the Cold War had been resolved. Now it | :33:15. | :33:22. | |
appears we are heading back to a situation where these are issues we | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
have to consider again. I am not lying awake at night but it is | :33:27. | :33:31. | |
something that is troubling and concerning. It is not just those | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
areas, though. Who could have guessed a few months ago that a | :33:37. | :33:42. | |
caliphate would be declared in parts of Syria and Iraq? Look at Libya as | :33:43. | :33:53. | |
well. Indeed. And you wonder what our security services have been | :33:54. | :33:56. | |
doing with the massive amount of resources that they have. But it | :33:57. | :34:03. | |
does suggest that it is not desirable that Scotland is here, | :34:04. | :34:09. | |
with 200 nuclear weapons sitting 25 miles up the road from us. It is an | :34:10. | :34:16. | |
illustration about why we should look at serious disarmament. Part of | :34:17. | :34:23. | |
the problem here is also there is a lot of hypocrisy on our side because | :34:24. | :34:29. | |
you look at the situation of all these crises. Where are the calls | :34:30. | :34:39. | |
for sanctions against Israel? We are still selling them military | :34:40. | :34:41. | |
equipment that has been used in Gaza. The last point has a lot of | :34:42. | :34:52. | |
validity. Very little being done about what is going on with Israel. | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
That is a charge that is very difficult to defend. Before we get | :34:58. | :35:03. | |
too serious, Commonwealth Games, enjoyed it? It has been fantastic. | :35:04. | :35:11. | |
It has been a wonderful event. The atmosphere in Glasgow has been | :35:12. | :35:16. | |
superb and the medal in the Scotland has exceeded expectations. You are | :35:17. | :35:27. | |
not a Usain Bolt fan? I have no taste for jamborees and sport but I | :35:28. | :35:30. | |
like to see people enjoying themselves so in that sense, it has | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
been great. There has been an interesting metaphor there. We have | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
had quite a lot of athletes that have taken part, doing very well. | :35:41. | :35:47. | |
They would never have got a chance if it had just been Team GB. Because | :35:48. | :35:59. | |
you have had these wider teams... It is on the front page of the | :36:00. | :36:10. | |
Observer. Subtle, isn't it? I am not sure what Nicola Sturgeon said | :36:11. | :36:16. | |
exactly that! I don't think this is a huge player but I don't think it's | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
unhelpful if things are done well. I do remember 1979 and I do remember | :36:22. | :36:28. | |
things like Argentina were no help in terms of the feeling of | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
depression in Scotland about our ability to do things well. Do you | :36:33. | :36:41. | |
think the success of the Commonwealth Games has any relevance | :36:42. | :36:43. | |
to the independence debate? Absolutely not. That story has been | :36:44. | :36:50. | |
stretched to the max to get the headline. However, anyone saying | :36:51. | :36:57. | |
that is talking nonsense because politics is politics and sport | :36:58. | :37:03. | |
sport. Scotland has enjoyed the Commonwealth Games immensely but no | :37:04. | :37:05. | |
one will think about that when they cast a vote. Let's look at some of | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
the other papers. On Tuesday, the debate between Alex Salmond and | :37:12. | :37:21. | |
Alistair Darling is coming up. Who do you think will win and what is | :37:22. | :37:26. | |
win mean and does it matter? It matters more than the Commonwealth | :37:27. | :37:31. | |
Games, certainly. We have had a nice breather period and what the debate | :37:32. | :37:38. | |
on Tuesday is going to do will kick-start the fight. We will have | :37:39. | :37:41. | |
six weeks of real campaigning. As far as who will win, I would expect | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
Alex Salmond to come off better overall but the problem he has is | :37:47. | :37:52. | |
that the general expectation from everyone is he will make mincemeat | :37:53. | :37:58. | |
of Alistair Darling. Even though a win a win because expectations are | :37:59. | :38:06. | |
so high. Or Alistair Darling needs do is defend. How are you feeling | :38:07. | :38:13. | |
about this? While there have been instances of debates that have made | :38:14. | :38:21. | |
a difference, one of the Balmer once set his campaign back -- one of the | :38:22. | :38:35. | |
Barack Obama ones. Debates like this are very important. The reason is | :38:36. | :38:40. | |
sitting next to me. Sorry, David, you are not too bad, but print media | :38:41. | :38:47. | |
is so heavily weighted towards the no campaign and because of that, | :38:48. | :38:56. | |
broadcasting is different. Broadcasting has to have some equity | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
in presentation. There just has to be fair broadcasting debates. That | :39:02. | :39:09. | |
is why the debates are very important. | :39:10. | :39:11. | |
Scotland's Golden Games at 6.05pm on BBC One Scotland. | :39:12. | :39:19. | |
Jackie Bird is joined by reporters and guests across Glasgow as | :39:20. | :39:22. | |
the city prepares for the closing ceremony of the Commonwealth Games. | :39:23. | :39:25. | |
and finding the remains of Sunday's chicken. | :39:26. | :40:34. | |
In my book, leftovers should be a joy, not a chore. | :40:35. | :40:39. |