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Good morning and welcome to Sunday Politics Scotland. | :00:37. | :00:38. | |
The Chancellor, George Osborne, says the UK parties will shortly | :00:39. | :00:44. | |
announce a new package of powers for the Scottish Parliament to be | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
implemented if there is a "No" vote in the referendum. | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
It follows the publication of opinion polls showing | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
As Glasgow's Hydro plays host to a debate for young voters on Thursday, | :00:55. | :01:01. | |
three young members of Generation 2014 tell us what they think. | :01:02. | :01:09. | |
Well, this is a morning in which the cat is truly out stalking | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
Within the last couple of hours, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
George Osborne, has announced that a new package of fiscal powers | :01:18. | :01:20. | |
for Scotland has been agreed by the Westminster parties and will be | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
unveiled - together with a timetable for its implementation - | :01:25. | :01:27. | |
His announcement comes as the political world is in uproar after | :01:28. | :01:34. | |
an opinion poll showed the "Yes" campaign in the referendum with | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
The "Yes" campaign is in a state of seventh heaven. | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
The Better Together campaign is scrabbling frantically for something | :01:44. | :01:45. | |
We'll be talking to the Scottish Secretary, Alistair Carmichael, and | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
The poll which is causing all the fuss - by YouGov for | :01:51. | :01:57. | |
The Sunday Times - indicates that a narrow majority of Scottish voters | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
Excluding undecided voters, it puts support for independence | :02:02. | :02:09. | |
Another poll published today by Panelbase for the Yes Scotland | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
campaign gives a "no" vote a narrow lead. | :02:16. | :02:17. | |
Joining me now is Jason Allardyce, the Scottish political editor | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
It has the potential to rock Britain, doesn't it? Now they are | :02:22. | :02:37. | |
two points ahead and we are seeing panic measured being desperately | :02:38. | :02:43. | |
dreamt up by Unionists to see if there is any way to turn this round. | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
As a political journalist, with your nose to the ground, what is your | :02:50. | :02:56. | |
sense? Is it that Better Together are panicking? | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
Yes because I think the campaign director has taken a lot of comfort | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
that although some have pointed to a momentum towards independence, | :03:08. | :03:13. | |
YouGov is the opinion poll company he has tried to calm the trips with | :03:14. | :03:21. | |
Andy Shill -- still shows a lead for Better Together. So with this result | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
today it has taken the sales out of the Better Together campaign. | :03:28. | :03:37. | |
But it is just one poll. It is within the margin of error so as | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
they themselves say, it shows a statistical dead heat. Apart from | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
that, there are if you are other questions about the poll, aren't | :03:47. | :03:52. | |
they? YouGov have had eight cap of 22 points about a month ago. So that | :03:53. | :03:59. | |
would be a swing of something like 25 points towards "yes". A swing | :04:00. | :04:06. | |
which does not have been picked up why any other pollsters. They | :04:07. | :04:13. | |
show... That is a seismic change. Can we really be confident it is | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
actually telling us what is happening out on the streets of | :04:19. | :04:21. | |
Scotland or is it telling us more about YouGov's methodology? | :04:22. | :04:28. | |
It isn't an exact science and there have been previous issues in other | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
elections with poles being far right. They have tried very hard to | :04:33. | :04:41. | |
analyse the data over the past week or so to make sure it is an accurate | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
measure. He looked back to make sure these are people whose clearly | :04:47. | :04:52. | |
indicated another preference months ago. There seems to be a shift. They | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
have gone back to check what people were saying. They said people said | :04:59. | :05:08. | |
months ago... Be important thing isn't so much their headline voting | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
intention figure but if you drill down into it to what people are | :05:12. | :05:17. | |
thinking about currency, the economy would be better or worse off, | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
whether they think we should be out of Europe. And something that we | :05:22. | :05:28. | |
should -- else we should mention is gender because there seems to be | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
evidence that, interestingly, although the panel piece for the | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
"Yes" campaign seems to show they are behind but William -- women seem | :05:40. | :05:45. | |
to be willing to vote for them. Yes and there is a survey of a | :05:46. | :05:54. | |
thousand women in Scotland. It is not scientific, just a snapshot of | :05:55. | :06:02. | |
opinion amongst months net members but that shows in favour of | :06:03. | :06:11. | |
independence to. Dash-mac a social website for mums. | :06:12. | :06:18. | |
Do you think there is something dramatic is enough at this late | :06:19. | :06:30. | |
stage? I suppose the change towards the temp one campaign has been | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
pretty sudden. If we are going towards something approaching Devo | :06:36. | :06:41. | |
Max is seems to be the right time. We've had three years to prepare for | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
this. The poll today shows that David Cameron has a trust rating of | :06:46. | :06:56. | |
-50. So there is an issue of whether people believe that these things can | :06:57. | :07:01. | |
be delivered. Another significant thing in today's poll is that, for | :07:02. | :07:08. | |
the first time, I believe, more are indicating support for independence | :07:09. | :07:10. | |
than more powers so maybe that should be pursued. | :07:11. | :07:13. | |
Thank you. I'm joined now by the Secretary of | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
State for Scotland, Alistair Carmichael, who is in our Orkney | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
studio. A couple of hours ago, George Osborne said a new plan of | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
action would be announced in the next few days and the three main | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
political parties at Westminster have agreed specific measures to be | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
implemented. There will be eight timetable for implementing them | :07:38. | :07:39. | |
which will take effect the minute there is a "no" vote. What is new? | :07:40. | :07:48. | |
This is something I've been speaking about for some time. You will recall | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
I made a speech in June making it clear that once there was a "no" | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
vote then we would convene a conference for Scotland. He didn't | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
mention that. He was talking about a plan of action. You will get to the | :08:06. | :08:11. | |
announcement when it comes and I will not give it to you here and | :08:12. | :08:17. | |
now, but I still believe that the consensus in Scotland, which is a | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
unifying consensus, is one that wants to see a Scottish parliament | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
with more powers but still within the United Kingdom. Remember, we've | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
already delivered more powers and they are still to come on stream. As | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
of next year, there will be powers for income tax, Stamp duty land tax | :08:35. | :08:41. | |
and borrowing powers and they are difficult which have been already | :08:42. | :08:43. | |
guaranteed. They are being implemented. | :08:44. | :08:49. | |
There is some confusion here. George Osborne didn't mention that there | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
will be a conference if there is a no vote. He said they've had talks | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
with the Lib Dems and Labour and we've agreed a plan of action for | :08:59. | :09:04. | |
more and new powers over the welfare state, over the economy and over | :09:05. | :09:10. | |
taxation and we've agreed a timetable to start implementing | :09:11. | :09:12. | |
them. You seem to be saying something different, that there will | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
be a conference to discuss all these things falls. | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
No, what I'm saying is, as has always been the case, there has to | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
be a process that involves other people apart from the political | :09:26. | :09:31. | |
parties. I will not give the exclusive of what you will hear | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
later in the week, but it is clear that there is a growing willingness | :09:36. | :09:42. | |
and there always has been, to deliver more powers because that is | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
where the consensus lies. It is quite clear from all the opinion | :09:46. | :09:51. | |
polls is that the question of independence is one which is | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
dividing Scotland very much. If you want to build a consensus that we | :09:57. | :09:59. | |
can all move behind and I would hope this will involve the Scottish | :10:00. | :10:05. | |
Nationalists ultimate beat, the way in which you will build consensus is | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
around more powers. That only becomes relevant if we get a no | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
vote. What we need to be talking about is what would be the reality | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
of an independent Scotland. Nationalists keep talking about this | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
as some great movement and moment but it is no such thing. It is an | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
irreversible decision. I am still confused. You seem to be saying | :10:29. | :10:34. | |
coming different from the Chancellor of the Exchequer. No, I have already | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
said I completely agree. Let me make a simple point, if you have agreed, | :10:41. | :10:48. | |
as Labour, the Lib Dems and the Conservatives, new proposals, given | :10:49. | :10:51. | |
the Scottish Conservatives are proposing to devolve all powers over | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
income tax and Scottish and Labour are not proposing that, what have | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
you agreed to do? That is where you keep inviting me | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
to give you the exclusive. But it is getting the -- a bit late for the | :11:07. | :11:14. | |
usual evasive answers, isn't it? With respect both ways here, this | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
will be made clear in a few days. I know you would love to have it now | :11:19. | :11:25. | |
but I cannot give it to you now. But, if they're now an agreement | :11:26. | :11:31. | |
amongst Labour, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems on precisely what | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
powers over income tax will be devolved to the Scottish | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
Parliament? Just tell me that there is a deal. | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
Now you are asking me instead of telling you about the packaged... | :11:47. | :11:53. | |
No, I'm not. I won't fall for it. But it's not a try. Tell me if there | :11:54. | :12:01. | |
is an agreement. Labour want to be hearing, not just about the RSS and | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
the polls and the rest of it, they will one to hear about the issues | :12:06. | :12:12. | |
and what it will mean for them... Tell me if there is an agreement. | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
What it will mean for them to have a ?6 billion deficit in Scotland and | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
its spending powers. You don't have to tell me what the agreement is but | :12:25. | :12:27. | |
just tell me if there is an agreement. Gordon, I don't see | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
what's so difficult here. You've already got the Chancellor 's words | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
on what has been agreed. You will get the detail in a few days time. | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
If I were Alex Salmond, and far be it for me to put words in his mouth | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
and he will appear shortly, I think you would say we only hear about | :12:47. | :12:53. | |
this sort of stuff when the "Yes" campaign is winning. The truth is | :12:54. | :13:03. | |
that my party has been outlining proposals for 18 months and the | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
Conservatives have had their proposals out for six months. We | :13:07. | :13:12. | |
have all been working on this. There is a large amount of consensus but | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
it only becomes relevant if we decide to remain part of the United | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
Kingdom. A United Kingdom that has delivered a great deal that is good | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
in Scotland and which offers as a single jobs market across the whole | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
of the UK, a leader on the world stage and you don't walk away from | :13:31. | :13:33. | |
that lightly. A couple of weeks ago you offered to | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
join Team Scotland if there is a yes vote. Given the way the polls are | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
going, shall I get Alex Salmond to give you a ring later? He has my | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
number and I take a call from him any time he once. I think it is | :13:50. | :13:55. | |
quite legitimate to ask him as well. We are talking seriously about more | :13:56. | :13:59. | |
powers. In the past, they've always walked away from that. If there is a | :14:00. | :14:07. | |
"no" votes, will they do as they've always done in in the past and walk | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
away from the difficult process of building consensus will they come to | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
the and talk and I think some -- that is something people would be | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
interested in listening to. Listening in the first -- in our | :14:20. | :14:27. | |
Inverness studio is the First Minister. What do you make of all | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
these promises that George Osborne and... I'm not sure Alistair | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
Carmichael is saying the same thing but he says he is. Alistair Darling | :14:36. | :14:41. | |
couldn't name one single job-creating power that was going to | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
come to the Scottish parliament if we made the mistake of voting "no". | :14:46. | :14:51. | |
Now we are expected to believe that, secret leak, after hundreds of | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
thousands of people have already voted, there is a radical new deal | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
on the constitution agreed by the Westminster parties. There is one in | :15:00. | :15:05. | |
the Constitution and its called independence. Are you saying you | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
don't believe they'll come up with anything? What we believe is that | :15:10. | :15:14. | |
they are not serious. This is a panicky, last-minute measure because | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
the "Yes" campaign is winning on the ground. Evidence is overwhelming. | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
Not just that Alistair Darling couldn't mention a single power last | :15:25. | :15:32. | |
meet .Mac week, but -- last week but he wasn't willing to confirm. Having | :15:33. | :15:41. | |
failed to scare the Scottish people, they next one to try to bribe is -- | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
bribe us but they have no credibility left. We, as a | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
community, can secure independence a week on Thursday. | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
As a politician you would say to me, and you have said to me many times, | :15:58. | :16:03. | |
what would happen in the event of a no vote, you look on the bright | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
side, but you what also the First Minister of Scotland so you must | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
entertain the possibility that there might be a no vote and in that case, | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
if they do put together a package of new powers, aren't you as the | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
Scottish government going to be saying, couldn't we be involved in | :16:21. | :16:27. | |
this? In these circumstances, the Scottish Parliament has two vote on | :16:28. | :16:30. | |
that. That's the situation as it stands and I've made it clear that I | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
will work for Scotland and greater powers for Scotland under all | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
circumstances. But you are right to say, particularly now as the | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
campaign moves towards its climax and hundreds of thousands have | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
already voted, things on the ground and in the communities in Scotland | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
are moving firmly in the US direction. -- yes direction. It is | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
because of the lack of confidence in the Westminster elite. I negotiated | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
with George Osborne and David Cameron two years ago to get this | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
referendum. At that stage, they weren't even prepared to allow Devo | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
Max to go on the ballot paper. Now we're expected to believe that if | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
they get a no vote, the day after that they are going to introduce | :17:17. | :17:19. | |
what they weren't even prepared to allow on the ballot paper two years | :17:20. | :17:25. | |
ago. That's why these people have no credibility left and that's why I | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
believe people will vote to take matters into our hands a week on | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
Thursday by voting yes. You've mentioned the postal votes a couple | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
of times. Are you suggesting there is something democratically in | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
proper about the British Government coming up with new proposals after | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
the voting has already taken place? I suggesting it shows the chaos and | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
confusion and total disintegration of the no campaign because if you | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
were serious about something and wanted to do something for Scotland, | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
you would announce it before people voted as opposed after many people | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
have voted. This is a reaction to the movement on the ground and | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
particularly to the first opinion poll to show yes in the lead. It is | :18:12. | :18:18. | |
overwhelming. We don't have to go back to 1979 but it was the case | :18:19. | :18:25. | |
then that Alex Douglas Hume said that if you only trust the | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
Conservatives, they would introduce a better Scottish Parliament and | :18:31. | :18:35. | |
what we got was 18 years of Tory rule and Margaret Thatcher's | :18:36. | :18:40. | |
deindustrialisation of Scotland. Sir Alec Douglas who was a lot more | :18:41. | :18:43. | |
trustworthy than George Osborne will ever be. I presume we don't even | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
have to ask you how elated you buy this opinion poll. Are you still the | :18:50. | :18:55. | |
underdog? Yes, we've been the underdog throughout this campaign | :18:56. | :18:57. | |
and are fighting through that position. How can you be the | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
underdog when you are head in the polls? It is one pole and we haven't | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
relied on opinion polls throughout the campaign and we going to start | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
now. We are relying on persuading our fellow citizens that a radical | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
new constitutional deal is available to us by taking Scotland's future | :19:17. | :19:24. | |
into Scotland's hands. We have many more conversations and converts to | :19:25. | :19:27. | |
make. It is that positive message that is winning is this campaign and | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
that's why we'll continue to fight and campaign from that position. One | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
of the other things George Osborne said this morning - and he was very | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
emphatic - is that there would be no currency union if Scotland votes to | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
become independent. I know you think he's bluffing but particularly, | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
perhaps, if the polls are now moving in your direction, don't you have to | :19:48. | :19:56. | |
rethink a strategy of an currency when you're asking the Scottish | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
people to take it on trust from you that the Prime Minister, the | :20:01. | :20:02. | |
Chancellor of the Exchequer, the leaders of the labour and Lib Dem | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
parties, are all lying? Your word not mine but surely the development | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
this morning rather reinforces the bluffing position. Clearly they've | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
been bluffing this far on the constitution, the same way they only | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
said a few weeks ago that these three separate parties had three | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
separate proposals, weekend and said that though they were, and we're now | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
told that as a bluff and they have a different set of proposals which | :20:29. | :20:31. | |
will be announced later this week. I put it to the view is that if they | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
were prepared to bluff on the central issue of powers for the | :20:36. | :20:38. | |
Scottish Parliament, the same parties and people are able to bluff | :20:39. | :20:41. | |
on the currency. Their problem is that that bluff has been called | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
overwhelmingly by the Scottish people. But if you want to be the | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
government of an independent country, it's time you started | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
acting like one. Just on practical measures, if you have to set up a | :20:56. | :20:58. | |
central bank, it isn't going to come out of thin air. Surely you are | :20:59. | :21:01. | |
going to have to start planning right now to but the architecture in | :21:02. | :21:07. | |
place for whatever one of your plan Bs you want to have to implement | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
should there not be a currency union, and demonstrate that you are | :21:12. | :21:17. | |
serious. At architecture is in the fiscal commission's report, | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
including the setting up of... That's a report. You need to | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
actually set the thing up. It's also in the White Paper. You're asking | :21:26. | :21:29. | |
about architecture and I'm saying we've laid out the architecture, for | :21:30. | :21:37. | |
a conduct authority. We have the plans in place and these are what | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
we've laid out the Scottish people and unlike the no campaign | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
spiralling into self-destruction, we don't have to cobble something | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
together in the last few days because we've thought through that | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
and we've presented a positive case for Scotland's future in Scottish | :21:53. | :21:59. | |
hands. Thank you for joining us. Let's cross now for the news. | :22:00. | :22:04. | |
The Chancellor has confirmed the UK Government is to set out plans in | :22:05. | :22:09. | |
the next few days to give Scotland further powers, in the event | :22:10. | :22:11. | |
Speaking to the BBC's Andrew Marr, George Osborne said | :22:12. | :22:18. | |
the plans were being agreed by all three major parties in Westminster. | :22:19. | :22:26. | |
You will see in the next few days a plan of action to give more powers | :22:27. | :22:34. | |
to Scotland, more tax powers, more spending powers, more plans powers | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
the welfare state, and that will be put into effect - timetable for | :22:39. | :22:45. | |
delivering that will be put into effect - the moment there is a no | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
vote in the referendum. But the Deputy First Minister Nicola | :22:51. | :22:53. | |
Sturgeon said it was too late in the campaign for new measures to be | :22:54. | :22:56. | |
announced. There is no option of more powers short of independence on | :22:57. | :23:00. | |
the ballot paper. There is no guarantee whatsoever that of | :23:01. | :23:03. | |
Scotland votes no we will get a single additional power for the | :23:04. | :23:06. | |
Scottish Parliament. If people want the powers we need to protect our | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
public services, but at the health services, ensure we can create jobs | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
and grow our economy, the only way to get that is to vote for the | :23:16. | :23:17. | |
powers that a yes vote will deliver. Meanwhile, two polls released today | :23:18. | :23:19. | |
suggest the difference between the campaigns is narrowing, with one, | :23:20. | :23:22. | |
by YouGov, giving the "yes" vote The other shows a small majority in | :23:23. | :23:24. | |
favour of remaining part of the UK. Some | :23:25. | :23:33. | |
of Royal Mail's busiest delivery offices will open today, allowing | :23:34. | :23:34. | |
customers to collect parcels Delivery offices in Edinburgh, | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
Glasgow and Inverness are included It's just one of the changes being | :23:38. | :23:43. | |
made in an attempt to make Scotland kick off their campaign | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
to qualify for the 2016 European They're in Dortmund to take | :23:49. | :23:55. | |
on the world champions, Germany. Darren Fletcher will captain | :23:56. | :24:02. | |
the Scots for the first time Now here is Gillian for a look at | :24:03. | :24:15. | |
the weather. A nice afternoon for most of us as | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
high pressure dominates but we've got a weather front still plaguing | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
the north-east, which will continue to bring persistent and, at times, | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
heavy rain to the Northern Isles. Elsewhere across the country, winds | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
fairly light with the best of the sunshine in the South West. | :24:33. | :24:35. | |
That's all for now, I'll hand you back to Gordon in the studio. | :24:36. | :24:40. | |
Both campaigns have targeted 16 and 17-year-olds voting for | :24:41. | :24:42. | |
But what questions do young people feel have been left unanswered? | :24:43. | :24:49. | |
Well, I'm joined by a group from our Generation 2014 project - James, | :24:50. | :24:52. | |
who is an undecided voter, Amina, who is voting "yes", and Natalie, | :24:53. | :24:55. | |
You chose quite a good morning to come in! It's all happening. James, | :24:56. | :25:05. | |
you're undecided. What have you made a developer is overnight? They've | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
been really interesting. I personally don't go under the same | :25:11. | :25:14. | |
banner of undecided now. I'm unconvinced. | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
Both sides have good points and quite bad points that may be need to | :25:19. | :25:24. | |
be addressed more but I think this new surge in the poll saying that | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
the yes side is now in the lead has may made people's ears prick up a | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
bit and people might say, wait a minute... I'm furious. Would you be | :25:34. | :25:39. | |
influenced by the fact that there is a surge in the polls for one surge | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
or the other. If it's about arguments that you are unconvinced, | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
would you catch the bug? If there was a big move into yes, would you | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
think, I'll just go with that? I wouldn't make my own decision just | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
based on anybody else. I would pay attention to it, to people's | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
arguments why there has been a surge towards the yes side, so there may | :26:03. | :26:05. | |
have been developed that I haven't heard of yet, just by chance. So it | :26:06. | :26:11. | |
might have been that they've come up with a new argument that might | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
really interest me. I'm into the arts. There might be something about | :26:15. | :26:17. | |
job opportunities or training opportunities in the arts. That's | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
something that has been spoken about that much, but maybe that's the | :26:22. | :26:24. | |
reason why there has been such a surge. Natalie, what have you made | :26:25. | :26:32. | |
of it? I'm not sure I'm any clearer about what it is that George Osborne | :26:33. | :26:35. | |
and Alistair Carmichael are proposing between them but what is | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
your sense? You want to vote no but you busy with the think that the | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
campaign is in a bit of trouble. Not really. We're talking about a 2% | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
difference and it is in the two present margin of error, so I don't | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
think there should be that big a panic about the fact that it has | :26:54. | :26:57. | |
gone slightly in the yes campaign's favour. Maybe the better together | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
campaign just need to up their game a bit. But apart from that... Can | :27:03. | :27:09. | |
you think of what they could do to up their game because presumably | :27:10. | :27:11. | |
they're getting as many people out on the street as they can, like the | :27:12. | :27:18. | |
yes campaign. What should they do? Maybe they should try targeting | :27:19. | :27:22. | |
different people because I'm actually not... Maybe there has been | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
a lot not aware of anything that has been targeted at the 16 and | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
17-year-olds who are voting. There's quite a lot of us and it's worth | :27:32. | :27:37. | |
targeting us because a lot of us are still undecided, like James, or | :27:38. | :27:45. | |
unconvinced, and... Spit white he's created a whole new polling | :27:46. | :27:48. | |
category! Amina, you're going to vote yes. Presumably you like the | :27:49. | :27:55. | |
polls. Do you find anything attractive in what George Osborne or | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
Alistair Carmichael is saying? They're going to come with a plan | :28:00. | :28:02. | |
that should and give Scotland lots more powers so you don't have to | :28:03. | :28:07. | |
vote yes - you can vote no and things will change. I think on the | :28:08. | :28:10. | |
yes side, their plans for what would happen have not been outlined but | :28:11. | :28:17. | |
having more devolved powers such as Scotland staying in the union, they | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
are just promises to try and encourage... Obviously, the yes side | :28:23. | :28:27. | |
have gone up by lot now in all the recent polls and I think the people | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
on the side of the union are trying to give you all these things just to | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
put people away from the idea of being in an independent Scotland and | :28:37. | :28:43. | |
I don't think it's going to happen. You've told us which way you are all | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
inclining Ann Jones has come up with a new category and I'm curious now, | :28:48. | :28:53. | |
Amina, about whether you think the way in which this debate has been | :28:54. | :28:56. | |
conducted is actually meaningful to younger people. James has already | :28:57. | :29:01. | |
hinted at some things that he thinks should have been taught about which | :29:02. | :29:03. | |
haven't been. What is your sense of that? Like James, I'm involved in | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
traditional music and I'm interested in the arts and I don't think that's | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
been outlined so it could have been in the White Paper, stuff to do with | :29:13. | :29:17. | |
the arts and Gaelic music and culture which hasn't been talked | :29:18. | :29:20. | |
about in this debate very well. As far as targeting young people, the | :29:21. | :29:26. | |
Yes Scotland campaign have done a much better job than the Better | :29:27. | :29:30. | |
Together campaign. What is your sense, Natalie? You've told us you | :29:31. | :29:36. | |
want to vote no but do you think young people are being engaged by | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
the way in which the politicians are conducting the debate? Well, yes. I | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
know many people who have watched the big debating with Alex Salmond | :29:47. | :29:54. | |
and Alistair Darling... I'm sorry to interrupt you. We've had a slight | :29:55. | :29:57. | |
technical problem and we're at the end of the programme. Thanks for | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
joining us. We'll be back next week. | :30:02. | :30:04. |