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Well, this is the closest I'll get to Rio. | :00:37. | :00:44. | |
The advance of the Islamist army on Baghdad has been slowed. | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
The Iraqi army claims the fightback has begun. | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
But the country now faces a de facto partition. | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
What should Britain, Europe, or the US be doing - if anything? | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
It's been a big week in the Scottish referendum. | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
But has the tone of the debate become too downright nasty? | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
Both sides join us to go head to head. | :01:04. | :01:10. | |
I will swap Ed Miliband for Tim Farren. What is the significance of | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
that? Coming up: As police promised a | :01:15. | :01:16. | |
even Westminster, we'll be asking Coming up: As police promised a | :01:17. | :01:26. | |
crackdown on lawyers flags hn one crackdown on lawyers flags in one | :01:27. | :01:28. | |
area... In London, why the minority vote one | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
recent elections Labour, but recent support amongst people is bigger | :01:32. | :01:33. | |
than assumed. The Sunni Islamist army known | :01:34. | :01:44. | |
as ISIS is now in control of huge swathes of northern | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
and western Iraq, including Until the weekend they looked | :01:48. | :01:49. | |
like advancing relentlessly on Baghdad but that offensive has | :01:50. | :01:52. | |
now been slowed or even halted The Iraqi army | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
and its Shia milita allies vow that Baghdad will not be taken and that | :01:56. | :01:59. | |
a counter-attack will soon begin. Iraq's Shia Prime Minister Nouri | :02:00. | :02:06. | |
al-Maliki has to do something to reverse the humiliation | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
of recent days, which saw his US-trained and equipped Iraqi | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
army, which outnumbered the Islamists 15 to 1 melt away or | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
surrender when confronted by ISIS. The conflict has already created a | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
humanitarian crisis, with hundreds The Kurds have used the conflict to | :02:21. | :02:22. | |
consolidate their hold on their autonomous area in the north, parts | :02:23. | :02:33. | |
of the west and the north are in the grip of ISIS control and the Shias | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
are hunkering down in the east. All of which makes a three-way | :02:37. | :02:39. | |
partition a real possibility with The US is moving another | :02:40. | :02:42. | |
of its massive aircraft carrier battlefleets to the Gulf, | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
though the White House shows no While Iran says it's ready to help | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
its Shia allies and there are unconfoirmed reports | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
that its revolutionary guard has Well, I'm joined now by Newsnight's | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
diplomatic editor Mark Urban. Let's start with some basics. Who | :02:57. | :03:15. | |
are ISIS and why are they controlling big chunks of Iraq? ISIS | :03:16. | :03:22. | |
is an extremist militant jihad organisation and they have a pure | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
Islamic concept based on 14th century history and jurisprudence. | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
What they want to do is correct -- create this caliphate that do not | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
recognise colonial boundaries so it involves Syria and Iraq, and they | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
could go down to Lebanon and Palestine, that is all fair game as | :03:40. | :03:42. | |
far as they are concerned. And they have this strict interpretation of | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
Islam. The more interesting question is why have semi-Sunni Muslims, | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
along with them, these are precisely the sort of people who in 2006, | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
2007, tribal leaders in the west of the country rose up against. It was | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
called the Awakening and the Americans in power did and | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
bankrolled it. These people turned against them and admired them in | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
large numbers, so why do they have so many Sunni Muslims on their | :04:13. | :04:15. | |
side? We hear about people going back to Mosul. I think the answer is | :04:16. | :04:18. | |
a perception back to Mosul. I think the answer | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
that the current government is ruling in sectarian interests, Shia | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
Muslim interest, and the Sunni Muslims want self-determination and | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
this is their best bet. Muslims want self-determination and | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
this is their Let me put up this map to find out where we are going. We | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
can see Mosul in the north, they took that, and then they started, | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
South, reports that the crit was involved -- to grit -- to grit. What | :04:42. | :04:49. | |
is the situation on the ground now? We are in what you might call a | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
consolidation or strategic pause as American called it in 2003. ISIS are | :04:54. | :05:01. | |
trying to consolidate their power in Mosul, and now they have this major | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
city and they are trying to show they can run the city and get the | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
power going, etc. Their southernmost forces, that is a gorilla army, guys | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
in pick-up trucks. They cannot deal with serious opposition. They would | :05:14. | :05:18. | |
like to get the tanks and other things into action but that could | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
take weeks for them to be able to do it. The government side is that they | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
have counter-attacked, but it will take a little while before these | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
newly raised militia and other task forces, call them what you will, can | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
forces, call them what you will can effectively counter-attacked. But | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
that is what will happen in the next week or two. We will see | :05:41. | :05:43. | |
increasingly large and serious government counter-attacked trying | :05:44. | :05:52. | |
to retake those places, and I fear a really difficult, bloody Syrian | :05:53. | :05:57. | |
style street by street battle for some of these urban centres. I would | :05:58. | :06:04. | |
like to have a look at this map, because the Kurds, as I mentioned, | :06:05. | :06:07. | |
they are consolidating their position in the autonomous region in | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
the north. The Islamist are taking over huge chunks of the Sunni Muslim | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
West. And of course the Shia Muslim are still dominant in control of | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
Baghdad and in parts of the south and east. Back to me looks like the | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
beginnings of the partition of Iraq. -- back to me. Well, it is, but we | :06:27. | :06:35. | |
have to caveat it in a few ways. Firstly, there are millions of | :06:36. | :06:41. | |
people in Iraq, so-called sushi, combined families, who do not fit | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
easily into the pattern. Do we see millions of people becoming refugees | :06:46. | :06:51. | |
under this scheme? There would be a lot of human tragedies if people | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
really did try to enforce this type partition. Secondly, there are Sunni | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
Muslim communities in the south of Baghdad, those places, once again, a | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
lot of misery and fighting will occur if people try to enforce a de | :07:06. | :07:15. | |
facto partition. There are still an awakening of forces. They are on the | :07:16. | :07:21. | |
side of the government. We heard about one group in Samarra of Sunni | :07:22. | :07:28. | |
Muslims fighting on the same side. It's a complex picture. They factor, | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
it does look like a partition, and if it goes further in that direction | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
it will. And partition will always be messy because people end up on | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
the wrong side of the lies. Finally, the big thing on that map, | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
Iran, a huge place, a huge border with Shia Muslim Iraq. Iran now | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
becomes a key factor. It is becoming a proxy war for Iran. Yes, when I | :07:53. | :07:55. | |
was in Baghdad a few months ago I was in Baghdad a few months ago, I | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
did actually see Iranians revolutionary guards in uniform | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
They were protecting a senior Iranians official, so some numbers | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
have been never some time and they are also said to protect the | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
political leaders and -- in his compound. They are there. We think | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
more of them are trying to organise the defence of Baghdad to galvanise | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
the Iraqi army, and they will not allow the Iraqi government to fall. | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
Mark, thank you for marking archive this morning. -- marking our card. | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
Tony Blair took Britain into the Iraq conflict in 2003. | :08:32. | :08:34. | |
He's now, among other things, envoy to the Middle East representing | :08:35. | :08:36. | |
That's the UN, the EU, the US and Russia. | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
This morning he entered the debate about what should be | :08:40. | :08:42. | |
My point is simple. If you left Saddam in place in 2003, when 2 11 | :08:43. | :08:51. | |
Saddam in place in 2003, when 2011 happened and you have the Arab | :08:52. | :08:54. | |
revolutions going through Tunisia, Libya, Yemen, Bahrain and Egypt and | :08:55. | :09:01. | |
Syria, you would still have had a major problem in Iraq. You can see | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
what happens when you leave the dictator in place, as has happened | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
with Bashar al-Assad. The problem doesn't go away. What I'm trying to | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
say is, we can rerun the debates about 2003, and there are perfectly | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
legitimate points on either side, but where we are in 2014, we have do | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
understand that this is a regional problem, but a problem that will | :09:22. | :09:23. | |
affect us. And I'm joined by the former Foreign | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
Office minister Mark Malloch-Brown, Here in London are James Rubin, | :09:28. | :09:29. | |
he was chief spokesman for the State Department under | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
Bill Clinton, and Bayan Rahman, she represents the Kurdistan | :09:34. | :09:35. | |
Regional government in the UK. Intervened in Iraq, it's a shambles, | :09:36. | :09:48. | |
we don't intervene in Syria, it's a we don't intervene in Syria, it s a | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
shambles. What lessons should we draw? That is a well framed | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
question, because that is the problem. Tony Blair is half right. | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
Iraq, like Syria, would probably have been a problem even without an | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
intervention. But one wishes someone would tell him to stay quiet during | :10:07. | :10:12. | |
moments like this, because it does drive a great surge of people in the | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
other direction. The fact is, what has been missing in western politics | :10:17. | :10:18. | |
towards the Middle East throughout both episodes, Syria and Iraq, is a | :10:19. | :10:25. | |
drive to build an inclusive, democratic centre which is secular | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
and nonsectarian. That has been missing amongst the threats of | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
invasion Manon invasion, we have just constantly neglected the | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
diplomatic nation-building dimensional this. I want to come | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
onto what is happening on the ground. I want to begin with what | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
the Western response by me, and by that we mean the United States, | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
because of it doesn't do anything, nobody will do anything. All of the | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
signals I see coming out of the White is that Barack Obama has no | :10:56. | :10:58. | |
appetite for intervention -- out of the White House. I don't think he | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
does have an appetite. He would be very unlikely to do anything very | :11:04. | :11:09. | |
large. He might feel pressured to act because of the fact that this | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
particular group, this Al-Qaeda inspired group, fits into the | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
strategy he has pursued in Yemen and Afghanistan and Pakistan, to use | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
drone strikes against individual terrorists. So it is possible that | :11:24. | :11:33. | |
the threat of ISIS in the region and the West in general might inspire | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
him to act, but the idea he will do enough, militarily, to transform | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
Iraq from its current state of civil War into something along the lines | :11:44. | :11:49. | |
that Mark was talking about, nation-building diplomacy, a big | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
operation, I don't see President Obama sees his historic mission as | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
having got the United States as out of it. Leave it to the Pacific, | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
perhaps. What would the Kurds like the West to do? First of all, in | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
Kurdistan we face a huge humanitarian crisis. We already have | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
had bought a quarter of a million Syrian refugees and we were | :12:15. | :12:16. | |
struggling to cope with that. And now we have at least double that | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
number of refugees coming from Mosul. First and foremost, we are | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
calling on the international community to help us with that. So | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
we need humanitarian aid? Let's assume we do that in some way, maybe | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
not enough, but what else if anything? I think it is an incumbent | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
on the west and other powers to assist Iraq to get rid of ISIS. I | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
think the Sunni Arab community, some of whom have joined ISIS and may be | :12:46. | :12:52. | |
supported the uprising, have justified complaints against the | :12:53. | :12:59. | |
federal government. But we need the terrorists out of Iraq. That is | :13:00. | :13:01. | |
first and foremost. And what the West can do is not necessarily | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
intervene with boots on the ground, but provide technical assistance, | :13:07. | :13:09. | |
provide intelligence and help the Iraqi army and air force to be more | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
targeted. Can you defend yourselves? In Kurdistan, we can in terms of the | :13:15. | :13:22. | |
disciplined troops. In this situation, I hope they won't be | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
abandoning their post, that is for sure. It is a national cause fires. | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
But we are not armed in the way that the Iraqi army is -- cause for us. | :13:31. | :13:36. | |
We are not armed in the way that ISIS seems to be now they have | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
seized some of the American kit. We are not asking for weapons, but we | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
ask for assistance for all of Iraq to deal with the situation. Mark, | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
this is not just an Iraqi problem. This is a regional conflict, and | :13:49. | :13:54. | |
from the Levant on the shores of the Mediterranean, all the way through | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
to the Gulf, the region is gripped with what is essentially a Sunni and | :13:59. | :14:04. | |
Shia Muslim sectarian war. Yes, with the caveats that Mark bourbon made | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
earlier, it's not quite that straightforward, but the basic | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
divide is exactly that -- Mark Urban. People have been looking for | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
this to begin in Lebanon or Jordan and have been taken by surprise | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
although with hindsight I'm not sure why, that it has begun in Iraq | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
instead. At its most extreme, it risks redrawing the 20th century | :14:27. | :14:29. | |
boundaries of the region in a way which would be highly unstable | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
because it would pit a Shia Muslim bloc against the Sunni Muslim bloc | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
and would undo all of the sort of social and economic advance of the | :14:39. | :14:44. | |
last century, so the stakes are suddenly very, very high indeed Are | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
we seeing the redrawing? The lines were drawn secretly, not far from | :14:49. | :14:55. | |
here, about a mile away, and may have survived through thick and | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
thin. They now look pretty fragile. The map is being redrawn. I think it | :14:59. | :15:03. | |
is true that there is a key factor partition going on -- des facto. | :15:04. | :15:10. | |
Woodrow Wilson probably gave a bit of a hand to the promotion of the | :15:11. | :15:18. | |
idea of self-determination, and in a way, there is a self determination | :15:19. | :15:21. | |
going on, particularly in the Kurdish region, and perhaps they may | :15:22. | :15:24. | |
end up the big winners in all of this, because they have proceeded | :15:25. | :15:30. | |
with a relatively moderate, reconcilable government. The key | :15:31. | :15:33. | |
thing that the Kurdish region has done. They used to fight the two | :15:34. | :15:44. | |
groups, and now they fight together. What the Sunni Muslims have not done | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
is figure out how to let politics let the side things instead of guns. | :15:49. | :15:56. | |
We need to look clearly and in Syria and Iraq, if there is a Sunni | :15:57. | :16:03. | |
extremist with ISIS that carves out a place for itself, it will be the | :16:04. | :16:09. | |
great irony of the modern era. President Bush said he wanted to go | :16:10. | :16:14. | |
into Iraq to fight terrorism. There was no terrorist. There are now. If | :16:15. | :16:21. | |
in Iraq and Syria together thereat a thousand strong Al-Qaeda capability | :16:22. | :16:27. | |
that threatens the region, the West, the world, we are all going to | :16:28. | :16:29. | |
have to do something about it. The danger is that power will | :16:30. | :16:58. | |
spread. This could grow in power. You would not want it on your | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
southern border. Absolutely, we would not. The point we are all | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
making indirectly is that things have changed in Iraq and will never | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
be the same again. Whether Iraq completely disintegrates into three | :17:12. | :17:14. | |
countries, or whether it stays together as one country, but a | :17:15. | :17:16. | |
countries, or whether it stays together as one country, but loose | :17:17. | :17:19. | |
federation, either way, Iraq has changed. It will not go back to what | :17:20. | :17:26. | |
it was. I hope it will change for the better. I think we're at the | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
make or break point for Iraq. Either the political readers -- the | :17:31. | :17:37. | |
political leaders of a right wake up and smell the coffee and put aside | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
their differences or there will be problems. This provides that | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
opportunity, in a very nasty way. If we take it? Yes, and if not, I think | :17:47. | :17:53. | |
this is the end of a rack as we know it. If anything resembling a | :17:54. | :18:02. | |
caliphate emerges, that is very destabilising for the region itself. | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
More so I would suggest than even the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
Afghanistan. At some stage, you have to assume that they will be coming | :18:12. | :18:18. | |
for us. That is correct. This is extremely dangerous. The only way | :18:19. | :18:28. | |
forward is for these political groups to talk to each other and | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
find a compromise that allows the rates of cinemas and minorities in | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
Iraq to be protected within or the rates of cinemas and minorities in | :18:38. | :18:39. | |
Iraq to be protected with an autonomous federal-state. Any | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
support for the government must be premised on that. There is no | :18:45. | :18:47. | |
military solution for this which is in during -- there is no military | :18:48. | :19:04. | |
solution for this. There must be serious political negotiation, not | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
with ISIS, but with Sunni Muslim moderates, to form a more | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
representative government. This is the last chance for Iraq. I think we | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
are all saying that that is going to need to be some major western | :19:18. | :19:20. | |
leadership to make some big decisions here for the future of the | :19:21. | :19:26. | |
region. I am concerned that after Afghanistan and Iraq, my country is | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
quite world-weary, quite world-weary. It does not seem to be | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
giving leadership. Certainly we are not seeing that in Europe. I am | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
deeply concerned that we are not going to take the leadership role | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
that needs to be taken. These are big issues. When Britain and France | :19:45. | :19:50. | |
carved up the Middle East, they were world powers, operating as global | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
powers, and without that global leadership by somebody, this is just | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
going to get worse and worse. I think we will leave it there, thank | :20:00. | :20:00. | |
you very much. The danger is that power will | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
spread. This could grow in power. It is just under 100 days until the | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
referendum on Scottish independence. So, for once, | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
it'll be a long hot-summer But the campaign isn't | :20:15. | :20:15. | |
just getting heated. In places it's also | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
down-right nasty. When Scotland's best-selling author | :20:21. | :20:22. | |
announced she was giving the unionist cause a million pounds | :20:23. | :20:24. | |
this week, she received Independence supporters online, | :20:25. | :20:27. | |
so-called cybernats, called JK Rowling a traitor | :20:28. | :20:35. | |
and much worse, using a variety of For its part, the Better Together | :20:36. | :20:37. | |
campaign has been accused Even Gordon Brown seems to think so, | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
and this week he criticised Conservative ministers | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
for relying on "threats With the Edinburgh Festival | :20:46. | :20:46. | |
approaching, reports suggest even comedians are now reluctant to | :20:47. | :20:52. | |
engage in the subject because I'm joined by Blair Jenkins from | :20:53. | :20:54. | |
Yes Scotland and Jackie Baillie They're both in our Glasgow studio, | :20:55. | :21:01. | |
and they're going head to head. Blair Jenkins, let me come to you | :21:02. | :21:21. | |
first. Why have you and the Better Together campaign and Alex Salmond | :21:22. | :21:24. | |
not done more to slap down the cyber nationalists who are poisoning the | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
debate? Good morning. I think both sides tried to stop the tiny number | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
of people on both sides who are incapable of controlling | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
themselves. We should not get this out of proportion. We are having a | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
fantastic, decent and democratic debate. The people who probably | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
total no more than 100 on both sides who post offensive material or not | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
to be allowed to deflect from that fact. Of course there are nasty | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
people on the Better Together side as well, but are you saying there | :21:57. | :21:59. | |
are as many of those as the cyber nationalists? I have not done the | :22:00. | :22:06. | |
Kent. Lots of people are certainly posting nasty in defensive things to | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
people in the yes campaigners well. I imagine that people do what I do, | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
and block them. You stop them from sending anything further. There is a | :22:17. | :22:23. | |
democratic and in gauging progress going on throughout Scotland. It is | :22:24. | :22:26. | |
characterised by good humour and good debate. We should not get out | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
of proportion and the activities of the number of people. I want to get | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
to Jackie Baillie. The debate is actually pretty good-humoured and | :22:37. | :22:39. | |
you should be doing more about the nasties on your side as well? I | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
think we have reached a new low this week. Despite many people engaging | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
in the politics of the decision and the debate about that, whether we | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
want to retain the best of both worlds are separate from the United | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
Kingdom, what we have seen is the most abusive and vitriolic attack, | :22:59. | :23:06. | |
particularly on women, JK Rowling and a Labour supporter who dared to | :23:07. | :23:11. | |
support the no campaign. When you look at the number of people on | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
social media, there are more from the yes campaign than the no site. | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
We should all be condemning attacks, from whatever quarter they come. | :23:21. | :23:29. | |
This seemed to be connected to the office of the First Minister. What | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
is the evidence for that? There was an e-mail from one of the... I | :23:33. | :23:38. | |
understand about that, but it did not use vile words. It did not, but | :23:39. | :23:47. | |
it repeated the same mistake as on the website. We should be clear that | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
we need to condemn these attacks, but it is not just the water works, | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
it is taking action. There was an IpsosMORI poll this week which was | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
varying testing. It showed the population as a whole, farmer people | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
think that Yes Scotland is running an effective campaign as against | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
Better Together. It is a undecided voters think this by a majority of | :24:12. | :24:19. | |
four 21. Some people are worried about of the campaign. JK Rowling, | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
Scotland's most successful author of all time. She gives ?1 million to | :24:24. | :24:30. | |
the Better Together campaign. She then faces some of the most | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
incredible abuse. I know what it is like because I have had some myself. | :24:35. | :24:41. | |
Traitor, Quisling. I cannot use some of the words, it is Sunday morning. | :24:42. | :24:47. | |
Why does Scottish Nationalists culture have such a revolting | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
fringe? JK Rowling is entitled to our views and it is unacceptable if | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
people say offensive things about her or anyone else who voices and | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
opinion in this debate. Who are obese people? When you look at the | :25:01. | :25:03. | |
accounts of some of the people who were posting these things about JK | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
Rowling, they were using the same sort of language about film stars | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
and football stars. This was just part of their language on Twitter. | :25:13. | :25:19. | |
How often has Alex Salmond condemned the cyber nationalists? Very often. | :25:20. | :25:26. | |
Everyone in the campaign hands. By common consent, Yes Scotland is | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
running a thoroughly positive campaign, much more positive than | :25:31. | :25:31. | |
Better Together. Jackie Baillie, campaign, much more positive than | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
Better Together. Jackie Baillie it hardly helps matters when Alistair | :25:36. | :25:41. | |
Darling, who runs your campaign compares Alex Salmond to Kim Jong Il | :25:42. | :25:44. | |
and North Korea. That hardly elevates the debate? I think we need | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
to elevate the debate. There are less than a hundred days to go. It | :25:50. | :25:56. | |
is a massive decision. We need to elevate the debate beyond attacks. I | :25:57. | :26:03. | |
think there is much more that Yes Scotland and the SNP can do. You | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
have made that point. Why are you running a campaign based on fear? | :26:09. | :26:15. | |
The codename of your campaign is even project fear. It is threats. | :26:16. | :26:21. | |
You cannot have the pound, there will be no shipbuilding. You will be | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
flooded by immigrants. Why are you so negative? I am not negative at | :26:27. | :26:28. | |
all and neither is the campaign. The all and neither is the campaign The | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
campaign has asked questions and I think it is legitimate to ask | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
questions of the people proposing such a fundamental change. People | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
care about the economy, their jobs, their families. What would happen to | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
them if they leave the rest of the United Kingdom. I think it is | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
legitimate to ask questions. I refuse to be asked of | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
scaremongering. People deserve answers. The yes campaign is equally | :26:57. | :27:02. | |
guilty of some of the most outrageous scaremongering. Maybe you | :27:03. | :27:11. | |
are both scaremongering. Blair Jenkins, the First Minister said of | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
the cyber nationalists, that they are just Daft folk, as if they were | :27:16. | :27:21. | |
mischievous little children. It is worse than that. When you look at | :27:22. | :27:26. | |
what they say, they are twisted, perhaps even evil minds. I would not | :27:27. | :27:32. | |
disagree with his comments, but they are directed at just a small number | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
of people. The story of this campaign is not the story of what | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
people are saying on Twitter. Around Scotland, lots of people are getting | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
engaged in debate to have been tuned out of the political process. Today, | :27:46. | :27:52. | |
we have 47% support for the yes campaign. The movement in the | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
campaign is towards yes. People know we have a better campaign, a vision | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
for Scotland. The latest poll of polls does not show that. Both | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
sides, you always take the opinion polls that show you in the best | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
light. All politicians do that. Jackie Baillie, your campaign is not | :28:14. | :28:16. | |
just negative, it is patronising. You make dubious claims that Scots | :28:17. | :28:25. | |
would be ?1400 better off by staying in the union, and then you say that | :28:26. | :28:32. | |
the kids use the money to scoff 280 hotdogs at the Edinburgh Festival. | :28:33. | :28:35. | |
The fate of the nation is in your hands and that is the best you can | :28:36. | :28:41. | |
do? I think you will find that the campaign is something that we are | :28:42. | :28:47. | |
taking the message to people. Then why are you talking about hotdogs? I | :28:48. | :28:54. | |
do not. The campaign did. We are taking a positive message to people | :28:55. | :28:57. | |
across Scotland about the benefits of the United Kingdom. We believe we | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
are stronger and more secure and more stable, being part of that | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
family of nations that is the United Kingdom. At the same time, we have | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
the strange and power over things like education and transport. I | :29:12. | :29:18. | |
understand that. I am not doing the issues today, I am talking about the | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
tone of the campaign. I have one very important question. Who would | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
you supporting last night in the England-Italy match? I was not | :29:28. | :29:33. | |
watching the game. I would be delighted to see England do well in | :29:34. | :29:38. | |
this tournament. I have Argentina in the office sweepstake. I have to | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
keep some attention on them, but I would be delighted to seeing Clint | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
do well. That is because you think it will help your campaign. It will | :29:48. | :29:50. | |
annoy the Scots. Jackie Baillie? I annoy the Scots. Jackie Baillie I | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
was supporting England. I was also supporting Portugal. | :29:57. | :30:02. | |
Now most of you probably missed last night's football match | :30:03. | :30:04. | |
between England and Italy because you wanted to get an early night and | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
England lost despite a plucky effort, I'm told. | :30:09. | :30:12. | |
But even Westminster is in the grip of World Cup fever | :30:13. | :30:15. | |
and with speculation about the fitness of each political | :30:16. | :30:17. | |
party's team we sent Adam out to tackle some of the big players. | :30:18. | :30:24. | |
Well, this is the closest I'll get to Rio. | :30:25. | :30:26. | |
This year everybody seems to have gone a bit mad Belize, football | :30:27. | :30:39. | |
stickers. Let's see who I will get. Oh, the suspense -- a bit mad for | :30:40. | :30:46. | |
these. George Osborne? That is because we leapt on the bandwagon | :30:47. | :30:47. | |
and made Alan political stickers. They're hotter than a Brazilian | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
barbecue. And at Westminster they're | :30:52. | :30:52. | |
turning into collector?s items. Sunday politics political stickers. | :30:53. | :31:01. | |
We have one of you, Norman. Would you like it? Do you want to start | :31:02. | :31:06. | |
collecting, Bob? Would you like a packet? | :31:07. | :31:07. | |
collecting, Bob? Would you like a Thank you. No album, I'm afraid. | :31:08. | :31:14. | |
collecting, Bob? Would you like a Thank you. No album, I've got | :31:15. | :31:17. | |
Michael Gove, next to to Reza, and two of the Prime Minister. -- next | :31:18. | :31:26. | |
to Theresa. I am sure Michael has Theresa in her stick around, and | :31:27. | :31:27. | |
vice versa. These Tory ones are proving very | :31:28. | :31:28. | |
popular since she fell out with him out how | :31:29. | :31:30. | |
to handle extremism in schools. And there's been open speculation | :31:31. | :31:34. | |
about him taking on him in Then there are rumours of a | :31:35. | :31:36. | |
reshuffle of the whole Tory album. Do you think there will be any | :31:37. | :31:47. | |
swapping in the Tory leadership soon? Who knows? David Cameron has | :31:48. | :31:57. | |
also got to replace the EU commissioner, Cathy Ashton, who is | :31:58. | :31:58. | |
standing down. Does he go with the favourite | :31:59. | :31:59. | |
the former health secretary Or the grassroots choice, | :32:00. | :32:01. | |
Martin Callanan, the Tories old Or does he rehabilitate | :32:02. | :32:04. | |
Andrew Mitchell after Plebgate? Do you fancy being European | :32:05. | :32:22. | |
Commissioner? I would rather be spending the money on the world's | :32:23. | :32:23. | |
spending the money on the world s poor and spending it well. Glad to | :32:24. | :32:25. | |
hear it. Happy collecting. Right, there must be some Labour | :32:26. | :32:28. | |
stickers out there. You don't want to swap Ed Balls any | :32:29. | :32:36. | |
of the others? Can't I keep them all? This is almost the perfect | :32:37. | :32:39. | |
team. There have been grumblings | :32:40. | :32:39. | |
about the fitness of the Shadow And Ed Miliband's got a kicking | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
in Liverpool after posing I'm told grown men are meeting up | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
in pubs for sticker swaps - With Danny Finkelstein - | :32:48. | :32:58. | |
Tory peer and Times columnist, He would be the card I would not | :32:59. | :33:11. | |
want to trade. Do people want to trade him in? I don't think anybody | :33:12. | :33:16. | |
wants to trade him in at the moment. He is the best person to lead the | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
Labour party and will lead us into the next election. There's been a | :33:21. | :33:23. | |
lot about Michael Gove, and he's very combative. That's been a huge | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
strength as an education Secretary, despite the fact it's brought in | :33:28. | :33:30. | |
trouble. I would think the prime minister would tell him not to get | :33:31. | :33:33. | |
himself into peripheral battles at the moment but stick to what has | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
been successful. I haven't got Nick Clegg, but I got me. Controversy | :33:40. | :33:45. | |
amongst collectors of Lib Dems. I need to give away me in return for | :33:46. | :33:49. | |
Nick Clegg. That would be far better. There you are. | :33:50. | :33:53. | |
Some local parties are holding meetings about his leadership, | :33:54. | :33:56. | |
but at one in Cambridge this week they voted to stick with him. | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
You have got a Euro Commissioner. Why don't I swap, I will swap Ed | :34:01. | :34:09. | |
Miliband for Tim Farren. Can I do that? What is the significance of | :34:10. | :34:15. | |
that? Very significant. Happy collecting. | :34:16. | :34:18. | |
These beauties are popping up everywhere, but sadly they won't | :34:19. | :34:20. | |
Adam is still doing the samba around Westminster as I speak. | :34:21. | :34:31. | |
I'm joined by three journalists who've been | :34:32. | :34:32. | |
furiously swapping stickers throughout the show, they certainly | :34:33. | :34:34. | |
weren't allowed to stay up to watch the football, it's Nick Watt, | :34:35. | :34:37. | |
We will talk about Labour after the break, and I want to concentrate on | :34:38. | :34:46. | |
the Tories, but the moment, Nick, senior Tories are saying privately | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
that they might win next May. They are beginning to dream the dream. So | :34:52. | :34:58. | |
why are they doing all this jockeying? I think the jockeying for | :34:59. | :35:05. | |
the leadership is about a year old. What stoped it up was when Theresa | :35:06. | :35:07. | |
gave a speech to the conference and gave a speech to the conference, and | :35:08. | :35:14. | |
people said she was doing it just in case, when things were not looking | :35:15. | :35:17. | |
too good. She is not on manoeuvres. I think it was a policy row that | :35:18. | :35:21. | |
drove the differences with Michael Gove. But Michael Gove is on | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
manoeuvres, and he is trying to protect George Osborne from, he | :35:26. | :35:28. | |
believes, a serious threat from Boris Johnson and possibly Theresa. | :35:29. | :35:35. | |
It is quite self-indulgent when you are a couple of points behind, the | :35:36. | :35:39. | |
economy is going your way, to be involved in this sort of stuff. | :35:40. | :35:48. | |
Extraordinary. It shows the toxic disease that gnaws at the entrails | :35:49. | :35:54. | |
of the Tory party, and Cameron is their great asset. He is more | :35:55. | :35:57. | |
popular than the party, he bridges the gap is, and he has an | :35:58. | :36:02. | |
extraordinary dissemble and some pretending to be this moderate while | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
never the lens -- nevertheless leading the most far right wing | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
government we have had since the war, and that has been a brilliant | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
piece of political Charente and they would be crazy to get rid of it -- | :36:14. | :36:14. | |
political Charente. piece of political Charente and they | :36:15. | :36:17. | |
would be crazy to get rid of it -- charades. Does this rumble on? I | :36:18. | :36:23. | |
have an unfashionable view as there aren't half as many leadership plots | :36:24. | :36:27. | |
taking place in Westminster as we assume, and the willingness to read | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
strategic calculation into anything that takes place comes from people | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
watching I Claudius or house of cards. That hasn't been off -- on | :36:35. | :36:41. | |
for years. I needed a reference from your time. I needed something. Maybe | :36:42. | :36:47. | |
brief encounter? It's a stylised view of how politics works, and so | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
much more in life is about randomness and mistakes. Boris | :36:52. | :36:58. | |
Johnson, Theresa May, Michael Gove as George Osborne's man on earth, | :36:59. | :37:04. | |
they are positioning themselves -- Janan wrote an eloquent comment this | :37:05. | :37:06. | |
week about this, but there are certain realities that. Michael Gove | :37:07. | :37:13. | |
had that famous dinner with Rupert Murdoch a few weeks ago in which he | :37:14. | :37:16. | |
said that you must not make Boris Johnson leader of the Conservative | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
party, George Osborne is my man. Theresa May set out her credo two | :37:22. | :37:25. | |
years ago and people on her team were saying that she was doing it | :37:26. | :37:28. | |
just in case. People are out there and are thinking of the future, but | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
I do think Janan is right. In the village, in the thick of it mindset, | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
you can get a bit carried away and you can be a bit in the famous. That | :37:38. | :37:46. | |
is before your era. He died. What did he mean by it. You can get a bit | :37:47. | :37:52. | |
carried away by it. I will have words with you during the break | :37:53. | :37:55. | |
It's just gone 11.35, you're watching the Sunday Politics. | :37:56. | :37:58. | |
We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland who leave us now | :37:59. | :38:00. | |
Coming up here in 20 minutes, we'll be talking about Ed Miliband's | :38:01. | :38:25. | |
brigades Union about cuts which will affect jobs. Fire stations will be | :38:26. | :38:32. | |
affected. We will get reaction later from our guests. Welcome. Ldt's | :38:33. | :38:45. | |
start with the cost of commuting. from our guests. Welcome. Let's | :38:46. | :38:48. | |
start with the cost of commuting. In the south east, if you travdl | :38:49. | :38:49. | |
start with the cost of commtting. In the south east, if you travel to | :38:50. | :38:54. | |
London by train, you could be pays the `` paying ?5,000 a year. With | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
more people working at home, a part`time ticket can save you | :39:00. | :39:05. | |
thousands of type `` pounds. Here is what commuters in Tunbridge Wells | :39:06. | :39:09. | |
had to say. IWork part`time, so it would be cheaper to use the trade. I | :39:10. | :39:16. | |
think it would be more balanced and fair. I'd don't always work here, so | :39:17. | :39:22. | |
sometimes there are weeks when I've might not be using my ticket. If | :39:23. | :39:28. | |
they can just pay for days that they go, I'm sure me people would want to | :39:29. | :39:34. | |
travel by train. These savings had been put for part`time season`ticket | :39:35. | :39:41. | |
around ?1700, ?2000 if you commute from Canterbury. You are often heard | :39:42. | :39:45. | |
speaking up for commuters in the South East. Are you going to lobby | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
for these part`time season tickets? It sounds like a good idea. A lot of | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
people who don't travel by train will be surprised to hear that you | :39:55. | :39:59. | |
can get a different type of membership, such as eight Jim. | :40:00. | :40:02. | |
can get a different type of membership, such as eight Jhm. A lot | :40:03. | :40:02. | |
membership, such as eight Jim. A lot of people like to move it down to | :40:03. | :40:09. | |
the south for that quieter life but want to go into London and are not | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
commuting every day, this would be welcome indeed. I would certainly | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
encourage my colleagues at the Department for Transport to look at | :40:19. | :40:19. | |
this very carefully. You ard an IT this very carefully. You ard an IT | :40:20. | :40:27. | |
expert by trade. Would a part`time system be easier to operate? I was | :40:28. | :40:33. | |
in that position myself, doing a few days a week to London. You need to | :40:34. | :40:39. | |
go at least four days a week at the moment. We have an incredible | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
workforce and we should be encouraging a more varied way of | :40:44. | :40:45. | |
encouraging a more varied w`y of using public transport in the should | :40:46. | :40:46. | |
have been done a long time `go. using public transport in the should | :40:47. | :40:49. | |
have been done a long time ago. You have been done a long time `go. You | :40:50. | :40:50. | |
think a season ticket would be better? What people should be having | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
is, the rest of the country should be getting something like the oyster | :40:56. | :41:00. | |
card, so there are more Fox ways of payment, rather than talking about a | :41:01. | :41:07. | |
card with a bar code on it. `` flexible ways. But the oystdr card | :41:08. | :41:10. | |
flexible ways. But the oyster card is susceptible to fraud. I wonder if | :41:11. | :41:16. | |
that is a better system. It is slightly above my pay grade. I am | :41:17. | :41:26. | |
not that familiar. More flexibility or innovation, more competition, | :41:27. | :41:29. | |
that is what we are getting. It is an exciting time for the railways. | :41:30. | :41:36. | |
Widely recognised that therd is an exciting time for the rahlways. | :41:37. | :41:38. | |
Widely recognised that there is a Widely recognised that therd is a | :41:39. | :41:40. | |
huge housing needed the South East. The government has responded by | :41:41. | :41:44. | |
making it easier for developers to avoid the managed energy`efficient | :41:45. | :41:52. | |
standards for homes. `` the most. But could the plans backfird? | :41:53. | :42:04. | |
Pneumonia that will stand for decades to come. `` new homds. But | :42:05. | :42:11. | |
decades to come. `` new homes. But are they clean and green? The | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
government had promised all new homes should meet strict zero carbon | :42:16. | :42:18. | |
environmental standards by 2016. environmental standards by 2016. | :42:19. | :42:24. | |
Some of the most ambitious targets in the world. Now the coalition | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
wants to act away from the pledge, allowing developers to build to a | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
lower standard of energy efficiency, provided that they pay into | :42:34. | :42:37. | |
environmental schemes which offsets the difference in carbon emissions. | :42:38. | :42:39. | |
the difference in carbon emhssions. Small sites will be exempt from that | :42:40. | :42:42. | |
aspect of the polity. `` policy You aspect of the polity. `` policy You | :42:43. | :42:51. | |
stand to benefit from higher energy standards through lower energy | :42:52. | :42:53. | |
bills, but it could be pervdrse in bills, but it could be pervdrse in | :42:54. | :42:56. | |
terms of outcome for the government, because we could see less | :42:57. | :43:02. | |
progressive builders making smaller developments to get a round of the | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
regulation and that could ldad to slower housing delivery. This | :43:07. | :43:07. | |
regulation and that could lead to slower housing delivery. Thhs is a | :43:08. | :43:11. | |
sustainable home with minim`l heating bills. It is not completely | :43:12. | :43:14. | |
heating bills. It is not colpletely zero carbon, but that is part of the | :43:15. | :43:20. | |
government's problem. It is difficult to achieve and more | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
expensive to build. But what does zero carbon mean? It starts with the | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
fabric of the building. Airtight with thick, well insulated walls | :43:30. | :43:35. | |
keeping in the heat. A systdm to supply controllable, fresh air. | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
keeping in the heat. A system to supply controllable, fresh `ir. But | :43:40. | :43:39. | |
a log burner with a back boiler to a log burner with a back boiler to | :43:40. | :43:42. | |
heat the house. Triple glazhng to heat the house. Triple glazing to | :43:43. | :43:45. | |
look at the warmth and a solar water heating system. The shell of the | :43:46. | :43:51. | |
building cost around 10% more than an average home, but the grden | :43:52. | :43:55. | |
developer to build it says that is nothing in the life span of a house. | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
It is going to cost more money, but if someone's bills are negligible | :44:01. | :44:03. | |
It is going to cost more money, but if someone's bills are neglhgible or | :44:04. | :44:03. | |
if someone's bills are negligible or a 10th of what they were before | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
surely it is the best investment. Should all new houses be billed to | :44:10. | :44:13. | |
that standard? Absolutely. @sk anyone if they would like their | :44:14. | :44:17. | |
bills to be easier, everyone will bills to be easier, everyone will | :44:18. | :44:21. | |
say yes. If development is one of the greenest in the UK, with | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
everything from rooftop allotments to solar panels. The 107 22 | :44:27. | :44:32. | |
apartments currently run `` 172 apartments currently running at .. | :44:33. | :44:41. | |
The UK has been a leader in terms of talking about a zero carbon. In the | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
way that policy has been proposed in the way we are delivering it, we are | :44:46. | :44:51. | |
not leading. If you look at other countries, particularly Gerlany | :44:52. | :44:52. | |
countries, particularly Germany, Sweden, Denmark, I think thdy | :44:53. | :44:55. | |
countries, particularly Gerlany Sweden, Denmark, I think they are | :44:56. | :44:55. | |
Sweden, Denmark, I think thdy are becoming the leaders, and we are | :44:56. | :44:56. | |
fast going to see the US st`rting to fast going to see the US st`rting to | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
create many more zero carbon developments. Official figures | :45:01. | :45:05. | |
estimate that the South East will grow by 12% in the decade bdtween | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
2011 and 2021, creating demand grow by 12% in the decade between | :45:10. | :45:12. | |
2011 and 2021, creating dem`nd for an extra 200,000 households. That is | :45:13. | :45:15. | |
an average of 20,000 new homes an extra 200,000 households. That is | :45:16. | :45:17. | |
an average of 20,000 new holes a year to stop the plan is to build | :45:18. | :45:20. | |
100,000 homes in just six ydars 100,000 homes in just six years, | :45:21. | :45:21. | |
from 2015. The speed of delhvery is from 2015. The speed of delivery is | :45:22. | :45:28. | |
important for economic growth in the region, but so far, developdrs | :45:29. | :45:30. | |
important for economic growth in the region, but so far, developers are | :45:31. | :45:33. | |
not keeping pace. As demand for housing and house prices both | :45:34. | :45:39. | |
increase, David Cameron says that he wants to stimulate the construction | :45:40. | :45:41. | |
industry I'd get Britain building industry I'd get Britain building | :45:42. | :45:43. | |
again. But some say the rel`xing again. But some say the rel`xing | :45:44. | :45:45. | |
green targets come at a time when green targets come at a timd when | :45:46. | :45:50. | |
fuel poverty a key national debates, makes little sense. It doesn't make | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
sense that the government are pulling back on this policy. Aber | :45:56. | :46:00. | |
introduced it in 2006 and they wanted to give ten years to give | :46:01. | :46:06. | |
developers a chance to build zero carbon homes. `` labour. It was a | :46:07. | :46:09. | |
long`term way to tackle fuel poverty. What we can do is control | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
the energy efficiency of homes, poverty. What we can do is control | :46:15. | :46:15. | |
the energy efficiency of holes, but the energy efficiency of holes, but | :46:16. | :46:19. | |
we have to start doing it now. There is no question that the South East | :46:20. | :46:23. | |
needs more homes, but there is a growing sense of unease amongst | :46:24. | :46:30. | |
environmental groups about the claimant from the premise to that | :46:31. | :46:31. | |
his government is the greendst ever. his government is the greendst ever. | :46:32. | :46:38. | |
I was checking out quote. This worker the Prime Minister that his | :46:39. | :46:43. | |
government. `` the Prime Minister that his government is the greatest | :46:44. | :46:50. | |
ever. This is cut the green clap, isn't it? Let's be absolutely | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
clear. We are implementing on the ground ambitious green policies, | :46:56. | :46:59. | |
ground ambitious green policies mobilising ?3.8 billion in the last | :47:00. | :47:06. | |
three years. We are talking about this decision about house`building. | :47:07. | :47:12. | |
Even Cameron has said, cut the green stuff. `` David Cameron. Th`t is a | :47:13. | :47:18. | |
misquote. That has been perpetuated by people misquoting. What this is | :47:19. | :47:26. | |
about, it is about being sensible. You can be ideological and push up | :47:27. | :47:30. | |
costs for hard`working families or you can be sensible and pragmatic | :47:31. | :47:38. | |
and try to dry down the cost. The minister responsible for energy | :47:39. | :47:40. | |
responsibility, and I know H'm minister responsible for endrgy | :47:41. | :47:41. | |
responsibility, and I know I'm not responsibility, and I know H'm not | :47:42. | :47:43. | |
going to get popular support for the green agenda and by taking | :47:44. | :47:48. | |
ideological support that will push up the cost of housing. We have to | :47:49. | :47:54. | |
bring down the cost of energy. We are talking about houses behng built | :47:55. | :47:55. | |
to high energy standards. Less than to high energy standards. Less than | :47:56. | :47:59. | |
10% of the houses in the sotth to high energy standards. Ldss than | :48:00. | :48:01. | |
10% of the houses in the south east. 10% of the houses in the sotth east. | :48:02. | :48:04. | |
You are talking about driving prices down. One man says he wonders around | :48:05. | :48:06. | |
his home in a T`shirt in thd winter his home in a T`shirt in the winter | :48:07. | :48:08. | |
with the heating off. As a linister with the heating off. As a linister | :48:09. | :48:11. | |
for the Department of Energy and for the Department of Energx and | :48:12. | :48:13. | |
Climate Change, don't you want more Climate Change, don't you w`nt more | :48:14. | :48:16. | |
of that? Yes, and you will find that many of those houses cost a lot more | :48:17. | :48:22. | |
and it depends on the indivhdual. We could see from the pictures, that | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
was not the size of a normal home. Triple glazing costs more than other | :48:27. | :48:29. | |
forms of glazing. What is happening forms of glazing. What is h`ppening | :48:30. | :48:33. | |
is there are a lot of different types of developments. We're talking | :48:34. | :48:35. | |
types of developments. We'rd talking about being a little pragmatic. The | :48:36. | :48:38. | |
design became the minister hn about being a little pragmatic. The | :48:39. | :48:40. | |
design became the minister hn 2 10, we brought down the price of solar | :48:41. | :48:44. | |
by 70%. The number of people we brought down the price of solar | :48:45. | :48:46. | |
by 70%. The number of people with solar panels on their roofs, it is | :48:47. | :48:51. | |
now over 1 million people who sleep under a solar panel. , and the | :48:52. | :49:01. | |
people are in the other initiative? The green deal. In the Southeast, | :49:02. | :49:06. | |
the number of people who have a light green deal? I am talkhng | :49:07. | :49:09. | |
the number of people who have a light green deal? I am talking about | :49:10. | :49:09. | |
light green deal? I am talkhng about installations. You are talking about | :49:10. | :49:11. | |
installations. You are talkhng about finance. I am talking about how many | :49:12. | :49:16. | |
people who have put in green deal measures. Do not misquote old | :49:17. | :49:24. | |
chestnuts. We are driving energy efficiency but we are proud that we | :49:25. | :49:25. | |
are going to do that in a way that are going to do that in a way that | :49:26. | :49:30. | |
does not drive up costs. For ordinary working families, it is | :49:31. | :49:33. | |
part of a long`term economic plan and does not use housing as a | :49:34. | :49:43. | |
plaything. Offering bigger developments the opportunitx to pay | :49:44. | :49:49. | |
what amounts to a penalty... Level five is a step change. I am trying | :49:50. | :49:53. | |
to ask you a question and you are trying to avoid talking about the | :49:54. | :49:54. | |
trying to avoid talking abott the fact that you are giving them | :49:55. | :49:56. | |
trying to avoid talking about the fact that you are giving thdm added | :49:57. | :50:00. | |
chance to avoid doing it. Why do `` what is so clever about allowing... | :50:01. | :50:06. | |
We are doing it because he want to have a little bit more flexhbility. | :50:07. | :50:11. | |
You can be ideological and push up the cost of housing for people who | :50:12. | :50:13. | |
are already struggling to get a are already struggling to gdt a | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
mortgage to cover the cost of a new home. Great if you are a well`paid | :50:19. | :50:23. | |
middle`class professional. Having an extra ?20,000 on the cost of your | :50:24. | :50:26. | |
house doesn't matter, but there are a lot of people watching or whom | :50:27. | :50:28. | |
cost of home ownership is just cost of home ownership is jtst | :50:29. | :50:32. | |
within their grip, and we bring that down and be more sensible, not by | :50:33. | :50:37. | |
throwing the baby out with the bath water or watering it down | :50:38. | :50:40. | |
ridiculously, but by just being a little bit more pragmatic, that is a | :50:41. | :50:47. | |
good thing. What he is saying is, his government wants houses that are | :50:48. | :50:50. | |
unaffordable to heat and maintain unaffordable to heat and mahntain | :50:51. | :50:53. | |
and for a few thousand pounds more you can make dramatic changds | :50:54. | :50:56. | |
and for a few thousand pounds more you can make dramatic changes in | :50:57. | :50:58. | |
those homes, and there is a policy that would exceed the national | :50:59. | :51:00. | |
standards, and inspectors h`ve said standards, and inspectors have said | :51:01. | :51:03. | |
we have to go to the lowest common denominator and delete the policy. | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
They could have been 10 million solar panels if you have not messed | :51:08. | :51:09. | |
around with the tariff so m`ny around with the tariff so many | :51:10. | :51:10. | |
times. With regarding to bux a times. With regarding to buy a | :51:11. | :51:14. | |
warehouse. How much were yot times. With regarding to bux a | :51:15. | :51:18. | |
warehouse. How much were you paying warehouse. How much were yot paying | :51:19. | :51:18. | |
for them? We cannot proceed let's be for them? We cannot proceed let s be | :51:19. | :51:24. | |
specific `` we cannot proceed. Let's specific `` we cannot procedd. Let's | :51:25. | :51:25. | |
be specific. If the get `` if specific `` we cannot proceed. Let's | :51:26. | :51:29. | |
be specific. If the get `` if this gets developed, and builders are | :51:30. | :51:34. | |
building more quickly, it is a good thing, people need homes. Of course | :51:35. | :51:41. | |
they do, but in Britain, developers want to exceed the standards because | :51:42. | :51:43. | |
that is attractive to purch`sers want to exceed the standards because | :51:44. | :51:44. | |
that is attractive to purchasers at that is attractive to purchasers at | :51:45. | :51:45. | |
it reduces the total cost of ownership, and what the signals from | :51:46. | :51:51. | |
government are, push a little bit and Roback. A complete and out. We | :51:52. | :51:59. | |
were looking at the fact th`t this could be counterproductive. `` opt | :52:00. | :52:07. | |
out. We haven't published the details. What is the smaller | :52:08. | :52:13. | |
developments going to do? There could be a perverse disincentive | :52:14. | :52:17. | |
here too big developments, they could have been piecemeal, and that | :52:18. | :52:19. | |
could have been piecemeal, `nd that would have the opposite effect. I am | :52:20. | :52:21. | |
would have the opposite effdct. I am trying to ask a question, that is my | :52:22. | :52:27. | |
job. The bottom line is, we haven't published the details. The idea is | :52:28. | :52:29. | |
published the details. The hdea is to be pragmatic, not ideological, | :52:30. | :52:33. | |
but to make sure that we have more efficient homes, and the have zero | :52:34. | :52:39. | |
carbon in a way that does not drive up the costs of homes for people | :52:40. | :52:42. | |
carbon in a way that does not drive up the costs of homes for pdople who | :52:43. | :52:42. | |
up the costs of homes for people who are already on a tight budgdt. | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
up the costs of homes for pdople who are already on a tight budget. Final | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
question on the subject. Level for energy efficiency is still ` massive | :52:51. | :52:51. | |
improvement. Why is it not enough? improvement. Why is it not dnough? | :52:52. | :52:56. | |
We know that other countries can deliver level five and above | :52:57. | :52:57. | |
We know that other countries can deliver level five and abovd without | :52:58. | :52:57. | |
additional costs, and in the deliver level five and above without | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
additional costs, and in thd car additional costs, and in thd car | :53:02. | :53:04. | |
industry, ambitious targets force the manufacturers to change their | :53:05. | :53:07. | |
behaviour, and I've think house builders in this country to do with | :53:08. | :53:11. | |
some of that push from government, and not these mixed messages from | :53:12. | :53:12. | |
the government. I have spokdn to the government. I have spokdn to | :53:13. | :53:16. | |
suppliers and technologies and the government. I have spoken to | :53:17. | :53:19. | |
suppliers and technologies and we are seeing a huge transform`tion. | :53:20. | :53:23. | |
suppliers and technologies `nd we are seeing a huge transformation. We | :53:24. | :53:23. | |
are seeing a huge transform`tion. We are splitting hairs and trying to | :53:24. | :53:24. | |
are splitting hairs and tryhng to pretend... We should stay ambitious. | :53:25. | :53:29. | |
I am going to be ambitious `nd try I am going to be ambitious and try | :53:30. | :53:32. | |
to move us off the subject. The decision has been made about where | :53:33. | :53:35. | |
cuts to the Sussex where service will follow. If the jobs will go and | :53:36. | :53:39. | |
a fire engine will be removed will follow. If the jobs will go and | :53:40. | :53:40. | |
a fire engine will be removed from Britain. `` 50 jobs. It is `ll | :53:41. | :53:47. | |
a fire engine will be removdd from Britain. `` 50 jobs. It is all part | :53:48. | :53:47. | |
Britain. `` 50 jobs. It is `ll part of a cost`saving process in which | :53:48. | :53:49. | |
the Fire Service has to save the Fire Service has to save | :53:50. | :53:53. | |
millions of pounds. The fird authority which made the decision | :53:54. | :53:56. | |
says they carefully dropped plans that maintain response standards. | :53:57. | :54:02. | |
The public is safe, that is good news, isn't it? It is not, because | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
the plans are dishonest and do not give the public the truth. The plans | :54:08. | :54:12. | |
will increase response times. In Britain, the cutting of a pump will | :54:13. | :54:16. | |
Britain, the cutting of a ptmp will make it impossible for the Fire | :54:17. | :54:20. | |
Service to deal with one high`rise incident. The chief officer has said | :54:21. | :54:24. | |
he will be able to deal with two simultaneous incidents in Britain. | :54:25. | :54:32. | |
We cannot see high `` how. What is the worst`case scenario herd? Fire | :54:33. | :54:38. | |
the worst`case scenario here? Fire has reduced. The number of hncidents | :54:39. | :54:39. | |
has reduced. The number of incidents has dropped in the number of traffic | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
accidents have dropped, and that is good news, but if you have ` fire, | :54:44. | :54:47. | |
good news, but if you have a fire, you are more likely to get hnjured | :54:48. | :54:48. | |
you are more likely to get injured and you are likely to suffer a | :54:49. | :54:53. | |
fatality, businesses are more likely to go out of business. Say you are | :54:54. | :54:58. | |
saving lives will be lost. That is quite an irresponsible mess`ge. | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
According to a review from the Fire Service, savings can and should be | :55:03. | :55:08. | |
made, that is the view of an insider. That review was a bit of a | :55:09. | :55:18. | |
joke. They took together... It is a serious independent report. You are | :55:19. | :55:22. | |
calling it a joke. The man who wrote that review was then played for a | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
long time. The review looked at the 46 Fire Services and looked at the | :55:27. | :55:32. | |
average cost of the lowest Fire Service and spread that out as an | :55:33. | :55:35. | |
average of savings that havd Service and spread that out as an | :55:36. | :55:36. | |
average of savings that have been average of savings that have been | :55:37. | :55:38. | |
made across the board. What about East Sussex? Call`outs down 36%. It | :55:39. | :55:47. | |
is not unreasonable to cut further then, is it? You have to have the | :55:48. | :55:52. | |
insurance service of making sure you have an effective response, not just | :55:53. | :55:56. | |
for fires, but for red traffic accidents at all the other | :55:57. | :55:59. | |
environmental risks that ard there. This worker road traffic `` road | :56:00. | :56:09. | |
traffic stop `` road traffic. Are you concerned about the loss? Yes. A | :56:10. | :56:18. | |
significant number of firefhghters did vote against it. I understand | :56:19. | :56:20. | |
the Authority are in a diffhcult the Authority are in a diffhcult | :56:21. | :56:22. | |
position because the government the Authority are in a difficult | :56:23. | :56:24. | |
position because the governlent is putting the bulk of the cut to | :56:25. | :56:25. | |
budgets and local councils and fire budgets and local councils `nd fire | :56:26. | :56:30. | |
authorities, 43% reductions, far above the cuts of any department. I | :56:31. | :56:40. | |
don't want Brighton to see this loss, but we have to recognhse | :56:41. | :56:42. | |
don't want Brighton to see this loss, but we have to recognise where | :56:43. | :56:42. | |
loss, but we have to recognhse where the blame lies, it is the government | :56:43. | :56:44. | |
doing the cutting. By contr`st, good doing the cutting. By contrast, good | :56:45. | :56:47. | |
news, but your governments hs the news, but your governments hs the | :56:48. | :56:52. | |
reason that he could not raise his reason that he could not rahse his | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
council tax, which we know he wanted to do, which would have helped him | :56:57. | :57:01. | |
keep his fire engine. You are all right, Jack. We have had thhs | :57:02. | :57:05. | |
problem because of the deficit that was run up by Gordon Brown and | :57:06. | :57:06. | |
problem because of the deficit that was run up by Gordon Brown `nd that | :57:07. | :57:06. | |
was run up by Gordon Brown and that we are still dealing with. @re we | :57:07. | :57:14. | |
bored of this? I think we are! How long have you been in government? To | :57:15. | :57:24. | |
be fair, the specific issue, it is a decision your governments took. | :57:25. | :57:27. | |
Because people have had enotgh tax rises. We were elected by the people | :57:28. | :57:34. | |
and we should be trusted by our residents. All a referendum if you | :57:35. | :57:37. | |
want to put up your Council tax. `` want to put up your Council tax. `` | :57:38. | :57:45. | |
call. There is a debt that will be with us through the next decade or | :57:46. | :57:48. | |
more, such as the huge debt we are struggling with, and it means we're | :57:49. | :57:52. | |
going to have to make cuts to public spending. There is no way around it. | :57:53. | :57:58. | |
Hang on a second. Let talk `bout necessity. You are the one who | :57:59. | :58:01. | |
famously told a group of Americans famously told a group of Amdricans | :58:02. | :58:04. | |
that the conservative government would make cuts that Margaret | :58:05. | :58:06. | |
would make cuts that Margardt Thatcher could only have dreamt of. | :58:07. | :58:08. | |
Thatcher could only have drdamt of. Did that include cuts to the Fire | :58:09. | :58:11. | |
Did that include cuts to thd Fire Service? I said we were having to | :58:12. | :58:13. | |
Service? I said we were havhng to make cuts as a result of the | :58:14. | :58:15. | |
make cuts as a result of thd deficits. That is a direct quote. | :58:16. | :58:20. | |
make cuts as a result of the deficits. That is a direct puote. He | :58:21. | :58:22. | |
did not say to them that it was cuts on the Margaret `` Margaret Thatcher | :58:23. | :58:24. | |
would have only dreamt of? I on the Margaret `` Margaret Thatcher | :58:25. | :58:25. | |
would have only dreamt of? H did say would have only dreamt of? H did say | :58:26. | :58:29. | |
that. It is a result of the deficit and debt that we inherited from the | :58:30. | :58:34. | |
Labour government. Cuts that are much greater than Margaret Thatcher. | :58:35. | :58:39. | |
What we have had to inherit his catastrophic by comparison. Your | :58:40. | :58:46. | |
message is about standing up for the little guy and who cannot afford | :58:47. | :58:54. | |
fire engines... There are choices. They could be cuts to Trident, which | :58:55. | :59:00. | |
has no impact on the benefit of life for people in this country, but they | :59:01. | :59:05. | |
are choosing to put the cuts and to rescue authorities to have ` job to | :59:06. | :59:06. | |
rescue authorities to have a job to protect the lives. We have to take a | :59:07. | :59:12. | |
look at the other political Evans and there are plenty. Here they are | :59:13. | :59:18. | |
in 60 seconds. `` Evans will stop `` Evans. A lack of staff could mean | :59:19. | :59:26. | |
more violence at Maidstone prison, says an independent report, after | :59:27. | :59:30. | |
serious disturbance at the jail last November. The government cl`ims | :59:31. | :59:32. | |
staffing levels are appropriate but staffing levels are approprhate but | :59:33. | :59:37. | |
the prison officers Association disagrees. We do not feel we | :59:38. | :59:38. | |
the prison officers Association disagrees. We do not feel wd have | :59:39. | :59:39. | |
got the right supports to be disagrees. We do not feel we have | :59:40. | :59:40. | |
got the right supports to bd able disagrees. We do not feel wd have | :59:41. | :59:40. | |
got the right supports to be able to got the right supports to bd able to | :59:41. | :59:40. | |
do our job. Nigel Farage could got the right supports to be able to | :59:41. | :59:44. | |
do our job. Nigel Farage could be facing a fine because he had to | :59:45. | :59:49. | |
declare the rights to use this office. I have not declared expenses | :59:50. | :59:54. | |
for this office. Surrey County Council was challenged the Commons | :59:55. | :00:02. | |
Council because `` in the Commons because... They said that they had | :00:03. | :00:06. | |
not risen since 2010. Footb`ll fever. A council will play the | :00:07. | :00:12. | |
every hour until England exit the every hour until England exit the | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
World Cup. Residents do not think it will guarantee me license. Why not | :00:17. | :00:24. | |
try it every ten minutes? `` new lessons. Time for a quick thought. | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
How much should chief executives of councils are in? More than the Prime | :00:30. | :00:35. | |
Minister? I do not think so, but I have to say there there is a | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
Minister? I do not think so, but I have to say there there is ` case | :00:40. | :00:41. | |
for performance related pay. I don't believe in performance related pay. | :00:42. | :00:49. | |
But there has to be a balance. The Council leader is on significant way | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
(your allowance, and that is not the Chief Executive. My allowance of | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
?39,000. Thank you very much. Ray to have you both with us. That is it | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
from the south east `` great to have There are big changes afoot | :01:03. | :01:13. | |
in the EU following last month's European elections, | :01:14. | :01:15. | |
not least who'll get the top job But | :01:16. | :01:18. | |
behind the scenes the parties have also been jockeying for position as | :01:19. | :01:21. | |
they try to form the big groups that And UKIP seems to have been | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
struggling to keep its influence Here's Adam to explain | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
how it all works. If you want your party to be a big | :01:30. | :01:41. | |
cheese in the European Parliament, you need to form a political group. | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
By doing this, the party gets more money, more positions on committees | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
and even more speaking rights in the chamber. But the parliament's rules | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
are strict. And to form a group you need a group of 25 MPs from at least | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
seven different countries. For UKIP, the number of MEPs will not be a | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
problem because they already have 24 of their own, but the different | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
nationalities are more of a challenge. Nigel Farage was not | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
helped by the Tories stealing - stealing his former Danish and | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
Finnish allies, and the pen pinching his Italian charms. Nigel needs a | :02:19. | :02:27. | |
new charm and fast. He has already signed up Lithuania's order and | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
justice, a free citizen from Prague, and the Dutchman from the reformed | :02:31. | :02:36. | |
political party. The big signing was the 17 members of the Italian Beppe | :02:37. | :02:43. | |
Griego's 5-star movement, but it leaves UKIP short of two more | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
international powers, and with the clock ticking, it looks like his | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
hopes resting on the Swedish Democrats and the Polish new right | :02:52. | :02:54. | |
Congress. They both make their decisions next week. | :02:55. | :03:01. | |
What is the latest? UKIP have enough MEPs with their pals, but they need | :03:02. | :03:07. | |
seven countries, as I understand it. They are not there yet. They are | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
wrapped five countries and need another two. UKIP are being quite | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
buoyant and say they will be meeting MEPs from five countries next week | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
and are pretty confident they will get those countries, but as Adam was | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
saying, the problem UKIP have had is that the Conservatives have nicked | :03:25. | :03:33. | |
two of the parties. That is why they have been struggling, but they say | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
they are confident they will do it. Meanwhile, the Tories new best | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
friends are the German Eurosceptic party, which has put Mrs Merkel s | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
party, which has put Mrs Merkel's nose out of joint, but we don't | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
quite know whether she really cares or not. I think Cameron has played | :03:49. | :03:55. | |
his hand badly since he committed to pulling out of the EBP. And he | :03:56. | :04:03. | |
should be in there with Angela Merkel and if he needs to make a | :04:04. | :04:09. | |
major renegotiation, he needs to have the Germans onside. Instead | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
there is a breakaway party and its like supporting UKIP. His party are | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
supporting her worst enemy. It certainly causing him a lot of | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
problems, and undermines his negotiating position, but isn't | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
there an honesty that the centre-right group is explicitly | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
Federalist, and the Tories are anything but, so they came out, and | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
Labour are in the Socialist group, which is explicitly Federalist, and | :04:38. | :04:43. | |
they are not Federalist either. If you want support and influence in | :04:44. | :04:46. | |
Europe, you have to trade, and he hasn't done this well. The whole | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
business with who will be the next president, he needs Angela Merkel's | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
support. Without that, it won't happen. He should have been trading | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
behind-the-scenes, but he has exposed himself in public, and if he | :05:01. | :05:08. | |
doesn't win it looks uncertain, and he will be in a position where he | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
has to go back to his own party and say they are not getting anywhere. | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
That is dangerous and takes us closer to the Exeter, which I don't | :05:16. | :05:22. | |
think would want. The danger for Mr Cameron is if it is the president of | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
the commission, he will save you cannot stop a federalist becoming | :05:28. | :05:30. | |
head of the European commission, what chance do you have of | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
repatriating lots of powers back to London. There are lots of Tory MPs | :05:34. | :05:40. | |
dying to make the argument. My hunch is that he won't make it. There are | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
too many countries opposed to his presidency and even the country | :05:47. | :05:48. | |
notionally in favour of it, Germany, is failing in youth -- enthusiasm. | :05:49. | :05:54. | |
Angela Merkel cannot be seen to give in to the Brits this. Her own side | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
once it as well, though some reason the German media says it. When she | :06:00. | :06:08. | |
tried to reach out and said to look at the other candidates, she got | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
such abuse on the right wing press from her own country and party she | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
had to retreat. Janan is right that there is opposition to Juncker, but | :06:19. | :06:27. | |
as long as Cameron turns it into an argument about Britain and Europe, | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
he will strengthen the hand of Juncker. Angela Merkel thinks | :06:32. | :06:39. | |
Juncker is inappropriate. She did not like the process, which was a | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
power grab by the European Parliament, but when David Cameron | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
went to the council and said that if I don't get my way, we could leave | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
the EU, that led to the backlash, most significantly from the SPD in | :06:51. | :06:56. | |
Germany. As Tony Blair says, if only David Cameron had made the argument | :06:57. | :07:01. | |
that Juncker is bad for Europe, then he would have found his natural | :07:02. | :07:03. | |
allies would have felt more comfortable following behind. Enough | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
Europe. I want to show you a picture. See what you think of this. | :07:09. | :07:17. | |
When I saw that picture, I thought it was so ludicrous that it had to | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
have been photo shop. Discuss. He is holding it with a certain disdain, | :07:24. | :07:26. | |
looking a bit hangdog. A disastrous picture for Ed Miliband. His | :07:27. | :07:32. | |
strength is authenticity, sincerity and cleverness. And he blows all of | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
that. He was the one who took on Murdoch, very bravely and | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
dangerously, and one, really. Now there he is supporting Murdoch's | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
son. It's a big mistake, not just in Liverpool, where obviously they are | :07:48. | :07:50. | |
particularly incensed. And then he apologises. Sort of apologises and | :07:51. | :07:57. | |
understands why Liverpool feels upset. But it is a fundamental error | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
and I hope he learns from this, that he must absolutely stay true to | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
himself. That's all he's got going for him. Who do we blame? His | :08:06. | :08:12. | |
advisers or himself? In the end himself. Nobody forced him to do it. | :08:13. | :08:22. | |
On this one, he called it wrong. It's a sign of the rather the bridal | :08:23. | :08:29. | |
state of the Labour Party is that his candidates were vocal in | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
attacking him doing this. It's a sign of how readable Ed Miliband is | :08:34. | :08:40. | |
at Parliamentary level. I don't think you should have apologised. | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
The mistake he made was associating himself with that newspaper. The | :08:47. | :08:54. | |
mistake was the prior three years when he went too far as portraying | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
the Murdoch empire beyond the pale. He made a case against phone hacking | :09:00. | :09:02. | |
and offences in that regard without going as far as he did with the | :09:03. | :09:08. | |
rhetoric. To do that, and then pose with the Sun newspaper, the | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
juxtaposition is what did for him, not the mere fact of posing with it. | :09:12. | :09:17. | |
Maybe he did not know what he was doing because we were told he | :09:18. | :09:19. | |
doesn't read the British newspapers. It was football, and he | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
has posed with the Sun newspaper before. Mr Cameron and Mr Clegg | :09:24. | :09:30. | |
posed as well. But with the Sun newspaper and football, you tread | :09:31. | :09:31. | |
carefully. That was the mistake. newspaper and football, you tread | :09:32. | :09:33. | |
carefully. That was the mistake You get the impression from the picture | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
that he looks so uncomfortable that you wonder whether there was a full | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
process of consultation that went on within his media operation, within | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
his political operation. Was he fully aware of what would happen | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
question what he looks so incredibly uncomfortable. But at the end of the | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
day, leaders have to take responsibility. It is cultural as | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
well. That picture says, I am down there with the football blokes and | :09:58. | :10:00. | |
you think, you are not. That is not what people will vote for. Be | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
yourself and don't pretend to be something else because it never | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
works. But the polls suggest that the British voters don't yet see Ed | :10:09. | :10:14. | |
Miliband as prime ministerial. The worst thing you can then do is get | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
involved in stunts that are more likely to reinforce that idea than | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
counter it. There was a precedent for it in the last parliament which | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
was Gordon Brown's attempts to feign a populist touch. He did it by | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
telling the contents of his iPod. The Arctic monkeys. It always jarred | :10:33. | :10:39. | |
because he was trying too hard. Not uniquely guilty of, Ed Miliband, | :10:40. | :10:40. | |
because he was trying too hard. Not uniquely guilty of, Ed Miliband all | :10:41. | :10:40. | |
uniquely guilty of, Ed Miliband, all the other leaders have done it. At | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
the moment he more vulnerable. Yes, and he is less popular than his | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
party. Labour has quite a popular brand, in a resilient way, in a way | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
they don't with the Tories, yet their leader is a personal problem. | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
The pressure is on him to do stunts like this. Will there be a shadow | :10:58. | :11:04. | |
cabinet reshuffle? Yes, we have to get the cabinet reshuffle out of the | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
way first, and that might come next week, maybe by the time of the | :11:08. | :11:10. | |
summer recess, but the first thing that the prime Minister do is work | :11:11. | :11:13. | |
out who is the UK candidate for the European Commissioner. Is it not the | :11:14. | :11:21. | |
case probably that Ed Balls is becoming semi-detached from the Ed | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
Miliband project? I don't think entirely. Nothing gets agreed | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
without both of the end are green. Ed Balls is controversial. He has | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
great pluses and minuses and is a big figure. Labour doesn't have that | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
many big figures. It's quite hard to think who would be a heavy hitter as | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
a possible Chancellor. He is a convincing chancellor to the future, | :11:42. | :11:47. | |
Love him. He has the heft -- love him or hate him. Any possibility Ed | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
Balls could be moved as shadow chancellor? The timing is convenient | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
because the Scottish referendum ends in the autumn and Alistair Darling | :11:58. | :11:59. | |
becomes a free man, win or lose I don't think Ed Balls will be removed | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
because moving him would be an admission that everything the Labour | :12:05. | :12:07. | |
Party said about the economy to the preceding four years has been a | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
mistake. And you can't do that nine months before a general election. | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
You invite ridicule. But relations between Ed Miliband and Ed Balls are | :12:17. | :12:19. | |
not great at the moment. The Ed Miliband team are very, very | :12:20. | :12:22. | |
suspicious of this new love in between Ed Balls and Peter | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
Mandelson. Mandelson likes to say that he spotted the Ed Balls talents | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
in the original place and appointed him to the Gordon Brown team after | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
the disaster of 1992. But things obviously went awry, and now Ed | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
Balls and Peter Mandelson Avenue Rappaport, and that is with enormous | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
suspicion -- they have a new Rappaport. With good reason because | :12:46. | :12:51. | |
it's about policy. It's about the attitude towards business. Should | :12:52. | :12:53. | |
they be out there saying they will get the tax dodgers, Starbucks, | :12:54. | :12:59. | |
Vodafone, are we going to take on business in a big way? In a way that | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
Ed Miliband has quite bravely said. On the other hand, Ed Balls and | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
Peter Mandelson are saying, hang on, we only won in 1997 by being | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
business friendly. Sorry to rush you. We are running out of time | :13:12. | :13:13. | |
The Daily Politics will be back every day this week at midday, | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
and I'll be back here next Sunday when I'll be joined | :13:18. | :13:20. | |
by the shadow work and pensions secretary Rachel Reeves.Remember | :13:21. | :13:22. | |
if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics. | :13:23. | :13:54. | |
Magnificent. The power base of medieval England. | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
Charles' ceiling was a piece of breathtaking arrogance. | :14:01. | :14:06. | |
You get a sense of the people who made the palaces. | :14:07. | :14:13. | |
as I unlock the secrets of Britain's great palaces. | :14:14. | :14:17. |