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get, critics say will schools could Welcome to Sunday Politics South. | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
My name is Peter Henley. On today's show, rural schools claim they | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
could be losing out by tens of thousands of pounds under the | :40:01. | :40:05. | |
government's new funding formula. That's coming up shortly. First | :40:05. | :40:07. | |
though, let's meet the two politicians who are also with me | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
for the next 20 minutes. Antonia Bance is a Labour councillor on | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
Oxford City Council, and Keith House is the Liberal Democrat | :40:13. | :40:21. | |
leader of Eastleigh Council. We got talking with Theresa May will run | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
the programme, have you been campaigning in Oxford? Of course, | :40:25. | :40:32. | |
we have been putting out leaflets and talking to voters. The party | :40:32. | :40:37. | |
machine, famous and Oxford, swinging behind that in the Thames | :40:37. | :40:42. | |
Valley. We are good at campaigning in Oxford and we showed that | :40:42. | :40:45. | |
through the general election, but we like talking to the people we | :40:45. | :40:50. | |
represent and a lot of people are saying they think this role was | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
important and they have things they want it police and crime | :40:53. | :40:59. | |
Commissioner to do to make them feel safer. I am sure that the | :40:59. | :41:02. | |
Liberal Democrats are also campaigning! Across Hampshire and | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
the Isle of Wight. The timing was purely set up for the Liberal | :41:07. | :41:11. | |
Democrats so you did not have to talk about the justice issues in | :41:11. | :41:16. | |
May. It is critical we separate out elections so people are clear what | :41:16. | :41:21. | |
they are voting for. We do not want wheeze issues muddled up with | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
General elections will European elections, we want a proper focus | :41:24. | :41:29. | |
on a debate around police and crime. You are served up collections | :41:29. | :41:36. | |
abroad, this is strange. The London mayoral preference system, it is | :41:36. | :41:41. | |
not -- does it favour independence? If there was a desire to promote | :41:41. | :41:46. | |
independence here, it probably would not work. Independents do not | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
have resources to put into these elections that a larger pan -- that | :41:50. | :41:56. | |
the larger parties do. We are campaigning through Hampshire, as | :41:56. | :42:01. | |
you would expect. It is the big constituency! Are you fed up with | :42:01. | :42:06. | |
the selection? Is it a go been quarried bad thing? We were not in | :42:06. | :42:11. | |
favour of these positions in the first place and we are not sure it | :42:11. | :42:15. | |
is a good idea to have it on a cold November night when people may not | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
want to leave their homes. Will we have to say how we would like | :42:19. | :42:24. | |
police forces to be won, so for Labour, we do not support cuts | :42:24. | :42:28. | |
across the Thames Valley. We have to excite the electorate, this is | :42:29. | :42:35. | |
real issues, not just crime, about police safety. And de won't turnout | :42:35. | :42:43. | |
would mean people had less mandate. -- and it won't turn out. -- and a | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
low turnout. The government is changing the way it decides how | :42:47. | :42:50. | |
much funding local authorities get for their schools. They are going | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
to give more weight to things like deprivation and English as a | :42:53. | :42:55. | |
foreign language. But as Tristan Pascoe reports, rural schools in | :42:55. | :42:58. | |
particular say that leaves them at an unfair disadvantage. | :42:58. | :43:03. | |
For many small rural schools like this one in Dorset, there are fears | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
the changes would have a significant impact. Under the new | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
national funding formula, all schools, regardless of size, would | :43:11. | :43:16. | |
be given the same minimum amount of cash to be topped up on factors | :43:16. | :43:21. | |
like the number of pupils and levels of deprivation. I am | :43:21. | :43:27. | |
expecting a reduction in budget. Not the same for all schools, but | :43:27. | :43:32. | |
the new formula is more restrictive about how funding is allocated. | :43:32. | :43:37. | |
Forest, a possible reduction of about �50,000 -- for us. That is | :43:37. | :43:43. | |
more than the cost of a teacher. And to controls the purse-strings? | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
The local authority has the discretion to allocate funds at the | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
moment according to local needs. the moment, the money we get from | :43:52. | :43:56. | |
the government, we delegate to schools according to a local | :43:56. | :44:03. | |
formula which has a large number of factors, covering various things, | :44:03. | :44:06. | |
particularly protection of small rural schools. But under the new | :44:06. | :44:11. | |
formula, things like English as an additional language and ethnic | :44:11. | :44:14. | |
minorities, which in Dorset, although we do have pupils with | :44:14. | :44:19. | |
those needs, perhaps not to the same extent as elsewhere in the | :44:19. | :44:23. | |
country. A large part of the Formula concentrates on that area | :44:23. | :44:31. | |
which is not for Iraq improvement. Schools minister David Laws | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
announced a hundred million pounds of funding for the summer schools | :44:34. | :44:39. | |
sprog -- summer schools programme, affecting the most disadvantaged | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
children, but campaigners say some of that money would be better spent | :44:43. | :44:47. | |
addressing the inequalities of the new national funding formula. | :44:48. | :44:52. | |
Schools worry about a last �1 so we regularly have people ringing up | :44:52. | :44:59. | |
and talking to was about �5,000, �50,000 is a lot. We are pleased | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
they are putting a lot of money into education, but what -- but it | :45:03. | :45:11. | |
would be more useful for struggling authorities to receive that. It is | :45:11. | :45:16. | |
that that rural areas do less well than a metropolitan areas. Wife | :45:16. | :45:22. | |
should a child who is a deprived child endorse it received less | :45:22. | :45:28. | |
funding than another deprived child in another authority? -- why should. | :45:28. | :45:37. | |
One reason they lose out is because rural schools are small, so if the | :45:37. | :45:42. | |
funding is based on numbers, they will lose out. They just want a | :45:42. | :45:49. | |
level playing field. Because the simplifications are being put | :45:49. | :45:53. | |
within local authority's existing spend, some of the inequalities are | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
not being addressed. -- within the existing spanned of local | :45:57. | :46:05. | |
authorities. The system is so complicated, but this is supposed | :46:05. | :46:11. | |
to be a simplification. Keith House, is having these Christ -- is having | :46:12. | :46:17. | |
these 10 criteria the right way to go? It is a simplification but it | :46:17. | :46:23. | |
is still complicated. The experience of home she it is | :46:23. | :46:27. | |
different and small schools are being protected. Is it is a lump | :46:27. | :46:33. | |
sum. Her Hampshire have a large lump sum to protect the smaller | :46:33. | :46:39. | |
schools -- Hampshire. It is a fiddle! It is about getting in | :46:40. | :46:42. | |
local solution with national fairness and I think Hampshire it | :46:42. | :46:48. | |
is working well to achieve that, but we will see over time. Has it | :46:48. | :46:54. | |
working in Oxford? In the county as a whole, we are worried about this | :46:54. | :46:59. | |
change to the formula. In my ward, at the school situation is very | :46:59. | :47:04. | |
difficult. It is a city school on an estate, we have a lot of | :47:04. | :47:09. | |
children with English as an additional language, we are seeing | :47:09. | :47:14. | |
1.5% cuts adding up to one -- adding up to 7% over five years and | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
we are worried about this. Now, nominations closed on Friday | :47:17. | :47:20. | |
for the Police and Crime Commissioner elections. If you want | :47:20. | :47:24. | |
to find out who is standing in your area, then take a look at the BBC | :47:24. | :47:28. | |
website that is onscreen now. We have the four Dorset candidates | :47:28. | :47:34. | |
here in the studio. Nick King is standing for the Conservatives, | :47:34. | :47:36. | |
Rachel Rodgers for Labour, Andy Canning for the Liberal Democrats, | :47:36. | :47:46. | |
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and Martin Underhill is an independent candidate. Martin, I | :47:48. | :47:53. | |
will ask all of you, but to react to what Theresa May was saying, it | :47:53. | :47:58. | |
is possible to cut spending and improve performance. Martin, and | :47:58. | :48:03. | |
you are a former police officer, is that true? He it is not, they have | :48:03. | :48:09. | |
cut too much already, and wanted 12% and you cannot cut any more. | :48:09. | :48:15. | |
Yes or no? It is possible because it is not just about policing, but | :48:15. | :48:19. | |
also other measures to fight crime and if you get that right, you can | :48:19. | :48:26. | |
reduce police budgets and make areas safer. HMI sees it will | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
present was the maximum and that is the point the Labour Party would | :48:30. | :48:40. | |
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say also. -- HMIC. It will impact too much on the services we provide | :48:42. | :48:47. | |
and I think it is another step towards privatisation. And Nick | :48:47. | :48:52. | |
King said there would be no loss on the front line, is that true? | :48:52. | :48:58. | |
does not need to be, there are plenty of innovative ways we can | :48:58. | :49:01. | |
find to save money to put people back on the front line and make | :49:01. | :49:06. | |
sure police officers are more visible, and work better with other | :49:06. | :49:11. | |
authorities. You were on the police authority and Theresa May has made | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
this cut, why did you not object? The because you could cut in plenty | :49:15. | :49:21. | |
of ways and you can save money in plenty of places -- because. They | :49:21. | :49:24. | |
have been good at doing that endorse it but there are plenty of | :49:24. | :49:29. | |
other things they can do, Dorset police look in on themselves too | :49:29. | :49:34. | |
much and can work better with local authorities. Christ Church have | :49:34. | :49:37. | |
offered them places in their community centres and they have not | :49:37. | :49:42. | |
taken them up on that. How do police officers feel about what is | :49:42. | :49:47. | |
being said around these elections? The way the government is pushing | :49:47. | :49:51. | |
the police to reform and improve and to change, are you going to | :49:51. | :49:57. | |
stand against that? I embrace change and the police need to get | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
that at community engagement, they are not good at that. Police | :50:01. | :50:07. | |
officers are angry. So many changes are coming in at the same time, six | :50:07. | :50:13. | |
or seven changes, the cuts to pensions, the winter review. My | :50:13. | :50:17. | |
concern would be maintaining the morale of my force because they are | :50:17. | :50:22. | |
facing so many issues. But you are not going to be the police -- the | :50:22. | :50:29. | |
chief constable. But I know how the business works. Nick has said there | :50:29. | :50:32. | |
were plenty of places you can save money and their ralph but they have | :50:32. | :50:37. | |
done that already come up we have had cuts for five years and you | :50:37. | :50:41. | |
cannot keep cutting. I went to 10 Downing Street to go to shoot | :50:41. | :50:45. | |
against the funding and said I want more funding for rural police | :50:45. | :50:49. | |
forces and they will continue to fight for that. Rural policing get | :50:49. | :50:53. | |
less money because there was less crime and if you look at the | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
statistics, you should be spending it in places like Bournemouth. | :50:58. | :51:05. | |
what matters took all of us is to reduce the fear of crime -- to all | :51:05. | :51:10. | |
of us. People in rural areas feel disadvantaged and I think they are | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
right. Nothing has come back to replace the royal funding that has | :51:15. | :51:19. | |
been taken away. He is it just about fear of crime or the evidence | :51:19. | :51:27. | |
of where it is happening? I think it is about both. The cuts are | :51:27. | :51:30. | |
taking neighbourhood officers away from areas where people live and | :51:30. | :51:36. | |
the problem is that you lose confidence in those communities. If | :51:36. | :51:39. | |
you have made a officers, that builds trust and people will tell | :51:39. | :51:44. | |
them things and you never better intelligence. People are more | :51:44. | :51:50. | |
confident to report crimes. If you suck out neighbourhood policing, if | :51:50. | :51:53. | |
you lose that confidence and intelligence, and the ability to | :51:54. | :51:59. | |
target the source, and sometimes you see crime statistics going down. | :51:59. | :52:05. | |
That is reported crimes going down, not crimes. You a background is an | :52:05. | :52:10. | |
economist, you are Mayor of Dorchester, Andy Canning. Is it all | :52:10. | :52:15. | |
about money? Are some of the things which was talking about things that | :52:15. | :52:19. | |
would have to be paid for by cutting other areas of police | :52:19. | :52:25. | |
operation? That may be the case. We have to provide different | :52:25. | :52:29. | |
priorities and work with local communities on workout Wapping need. | :52:29. | :52:34. | |
There are policies that need to be applied across the county. -- and | :52:34. | :52:39. | |
work out what they need. We have to stop young people going into crime | :52:40. | :52:44. | |
in the first place. And we have to make the justice system more | :52:44. | :52:49. | |
effective so there is less re- offending. But you are not | :52:49. | :52:55. | |
responsible for the justice system as a PCC. A we have to work out | :52:55. | :53:00. | |
what needs for the community -- we have to. Some are controlled by the | :53:00. | :53:03. | |
new Commissioner and some are controlled by other bodies you have | :53:03. | :53:09. | |
to work with and influence. Being directly responsible for crime for | :53:09. | :53:15. | |
Dorset means you have an authority people will listen to. That is part | :53:15. | :53:19. | |
of what you have to do and if your community is telling you what needs | :53:19. | :53:24. | |
to be done, you have to fight for that. Whether that is funding for | :53:24. | :53:28. | |
the justice system or any crime related issue, that is why we are | :53:28. | :53:36. | |
there. You're experiences is in business, seven generations. | :53:36. | :53:42. | |
quite! Had it not been for the Olympics, would you be suggesting | :53:42. | :53:48. | |
more contracting out? A not a necessarily. None of us are turning | :53:49. | :53:53. | |
up with manifestos saying what a party is telling us to do, it is | :53:53. | :53:57. | |
what people endorse it want and what makes them feel safe, what is | :53:57. | :54:03. | |
good on what is bad. Finding that and finding solutions it is the | :54:03. | :54:13. | |
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drop. So a good way of a solution might be Payment by results. Book | :54:13. | :54:23. | |
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will people endorse it be happy with that? -- but. Martin, first of. | :54:26. | :54:32. | |
Mack he just said nobody is coming here with a manifesto, I have one | :54:32. | :54:36. | |
because I have been consulting people for six months. These people | :54:36. | :54:41. | |
do not have bet a manifesto and that is insulting to the public -- | :54:41. | :54:47. | |
do not have a manifestos. MoD in her as are being a candidate since | :54:47. | :54:52. | |
February and we were selected by our parties in July -- Martin has | :54:52. | :54:57. | |
been a candidate. Since that time, but Martin has had chance to speak | :54:58. | :55:03. | |
to people, and I have seen twice the amount of people he has. A lot | :55:03. | :55:08. | |
of people are pushing leaflets through the door! He her tat is six | :55:08. | :55:12. | |
months start on has to do that himself and if he has not done that, | :55:12. | :55:17. | |
that says something about his organisation -- he has had a six | :55:18. | :55:27. | |
months' start. There was no point involving Westminster, it is a | :55:27. | :55:32. | |
local issue. He has been a local car bomb at councillor for six | :55:32. | :55:41. | |
years, it has not worked. -- he has been a local councillor. So for him | :55:41. | :55:45. | |
to say he is not interested in privatisation, his background does | :55:45. | :55:53. | |
not suggest that. There has been a difference between the HR function | :55:53. | :55:59. | |
of Bournemouth council remained in partnership with the private sector | :55:59. | :56:05. | |
and between people looking at the way police operate. There is a | :56:05. | :56:12. | |
difference in how people would see that. It is possible the HR | :56:13. | :56:15. | |
department of the police it would work better in conjunction with | :56:15. | :56:25. | |
somebody else and those other things we need to look at to save | :56:25. | :56:32. | |
money. What I think of this is that we are having 20% cuts to the | :56:32. | :56:36. | |
police services and at the same time, the PCC does not just deal | :56:36. | :56:41. | |
with police but with community safety. We are focusing very much | :56:41. | :56:46. | |
on the police side of the PCC and not a crime and commissioning side. | :56:46. | :56:51. | |
I think commissioning is the most important word here. The PCC will | :56:51. | :56:56. | |
have a massive budget and the need to decide what they want to buy and | :56:56. | :57:03. | |
who they will buy it from. That is what this is all about. I come from | :57:03. | :57:06. | |
a very pro public service background and have worked and the | :57:06. | :57:13. | |
Prison Service, I am a qualified teacher. I am saying at the same | :57:13. | :57:17. | |
time, I can see there is plenty of opportunity for partnership working | :57:17. | :57:23. | |
across those sectors. One of the big roles the PCC will do is to | :57:23. | :57:27. | |
break down barriers between local authorities where services are | :57:27. | :57:32. | |
prevented from expanding properly and serving for public by barriers | :57:32. | :57:36. | |
people do not recognise in their daily lives which financial | :57:36. | :57:44. | |
controls dictate. By it is all we have time for, but Frankie. -- that | :57:44. | :57:51. | |
is. -- but thank you. Enjoyed the campaigning! Cash and Joyce. | :57:51. | :57:54. | |
Now our regular round-up of the political week in the South in 60 | :57:54. | :57:57. | |
seconds. This week, it's all about kindness, generosity, the giving of | :57:57. | :58:03. | |
gifts. Olympic sailing events for a gift - | :58:03. | :58:07. | |
- what a gift for Weymouth, according to a council report, and | :58:07. | :58:13. | |
more than half of visitors said they would return. A home was | :58:13. | :58:19. | |
Shanta in Paul welcomed a generous Minister, a new philanthropy | :58:19. | :58:24. | |
initiative. Be able like it and people want to feel proud about | :58:24. | :58:30. | |
whether a work -- people. The under 17 Car Club were lobbying for | :58:30. | :58:35. | |
better driving tests and said lives would be a test. This MP says the | :58:35. | :58:40. | |
nuclear deterrent has saved lives on a global scale -- on a global | :58:40. | :58:46. | |
scale. Won a of the key elements of the credibility of our deterrent is | :58:46. | :58:52. | |
that it is continually at sea and the Royal Navy take immense pride. | :58:52. | :58:59. | |
An offer from Russia was rejected here by the governments, they are | :58:59. | :59:04. | |
giving Portsmouth hear the present of a new D-Day museums. All this | :59:04. | :59:12. | |
generosity! Oxford University gets a lot of bequests, but I suppose | :59:12. | :59:17. | |
they do not go to everybody. want a which people to donate and | :59:17. | :59:22. | |
to pay their tax and to have a strong safety net -- we want a rich | :59:22. | :59:29. | |
people. Most places do not have Oxford University. The one for p | :59:29. | :59:34. | |
does not replace core funding that has to be funded fairly -- | :59:34. | :59:41. | |
philanthropy. Which people perhaps have to take their place in the big | :59:41. | :59:44. |