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Morning folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
Theresa May says she wants to help people who are | :00:38. | :00:40. | |
"just about managing" - so should she reverse | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
George Osborne's cuts to benefits that are supposed to help people | :00:44. | :00:45. | |
Prominent London Imam Shakeel Begg is an extremist speaker, | :00:46. | :00:52. | |
says the High Court, after claims made on this programme. | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
So why is Mr Begg still being allowed to advise the Police? | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
Hillary Clinton fights back over the FBI's renewed investigation | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
into her use of a private email server - is this the boost | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
Donald Trump needed to reignite his chances of winning the White House? | :01:09. | :01:21. | |
Now it is just a question of building that runway with the | :01:22. | :01:23. | |
political problems that lie ahead. And haunting the studio | :01:24. | :01:30. | |
on this Halloween weekend, the most terrifying political | :01:31. | :01:32. | |
panel in the business - Tim 'Ghost' Shipman, | :01:33. | :01:34. | |
'Eerie' Isabel Oakeshott and First this morning, two | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
new models of car to be built, securing 7,000 jobs at the car plant | :01:38. | :01:46. | |
in Sunderland and a further 28, 00 The news from Nissan on Thursday | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
was seized on by Leave campaigners as evidence that the British | :01:50. | :01:56. | |
economy is in rude health This morning, the Business | :01:57. | :01:58. | |
Secretary, Greg Clark, was asked what assurances were given | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
to the Japanese firm's bosses Well, it's in no-one's the interest | :02:03. | :02:05. | |
for there to be tariff barriers to the continent | :02:06. | :02:12. | |
and vice versa. So, what I said is that our | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
objective would be to ensure that we have continued access to the markets | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
in Europe and vice versa, without tariffs and without | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
bureaucratic impediments. That is how we will approach | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
those negotiations. We're joined now from Newcastle | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
by the Shadow Business Welcome to the programme. Labour has | :02:34. | :02:47. | |
been a bit sceptical about this Nissan decision. Can we begin by | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
making it clear just what a great achievement this is, above all for | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
the workers of Sunderland who have some of the highest productivity in | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
the world, have never been on strike for 30 years, and produce cars of | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
incredible quality. This is their victory, isn't it? Andrew, you are | :03:07. | :03:12. | |
absolutely right. The Nissan plant in Sunderland is among the most | :03:13. | :03:14. | |
productive in the world. The workers of Nissan are amongst the most | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
productive as well. And it's really a victory for them and for the trade | :03:20. | :03:26. | |
unions and the business organisations, and everybody who | :03:27. | :03:28. | |
campaigned to make sure that the government couldn't ignore their | :03:29. | :03:34. | |
future. It's our future. I'm the MP for Newcastle. It makes a huge | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
difference to the region. We are a region that still likes to make | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
things that work. It is a huge part of our advanced manufacturing | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
sector. So it's really something we welcome as well as the job security. | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
I'm glad we have got that on the record from the Labour shadow | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
business secretary. But your Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell, claims | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
the government is ignoring manufacturers and cares only about a | :04:02. | :04:07. | |
small banking elite. In what way is safeguarding 30,000 industrial jobs | :04:08. | :04:10. | |
in the North safeguarding a financial elite? As I said, we're | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
really pleased that the campaigning by trade unions and the workforce, | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
and business organisations, meant the government felt they couldn t | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
ignore Nissan workers. Let's also be clear that we want that kind of job | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
security for all of those working in manufacturing and in other sectors | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
as well. And sweetheart deals for one company, no matter how important | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
they are, that does not an industrial strategy make. Why'd you | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
say it is a sweetheart deal? Greg Clark told the BBC this morning that | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
what was assured to Nissan is an assurance he gives to the whole | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
industrial sector? I was really pleased to see Greg Clark felt he | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
had to say something, even though it's sad that we having our | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
industrial strategy, you like, or our approach to Brexit delivered | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
piecemeal to the media rather than to the British people and Nissan, | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
actually. But he want published the letter. He said he has told us what | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
is in the letter and that reassurances given on training, on | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
science and on supporting the supply chain for the automated sector. You | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
must be in favour all -- of all of that? We are in favour of an | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
industrial strategy. Greg Clark unlike Sajid Javid, cannot say | :05:30. | :05:38. | |
industrial strategy. I'm still puzzling to find out what it is you | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
disagree with. Let me put the question. You said the assurances he | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
has given to Nissan are available to the car manufacturing sector in | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
general and indeed to industry in general. What is your problem with | :05:53. | :05:58. | |
that? Two things. Let him publish the letter so we can see that, let | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
him have the transparency he's pretending to offer. But also, we | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
need an industrial strategy that values -- that is values based and | :06:09. | :06:15. | |
joined. He talked about electric cars and supporting green cars. That | :06:16. | :06:22. | |
was in regard to Nissan. At the same time the government has slashed | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
support for other areas of green technology. So what is it? That is | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
not to do with the Nissan deal. Labour implied at some stage there | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
was some financial inducement, some secret bribes, that doesn't seem to | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
be the case. You are not claiming that any more -- any more. Then you | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
claimed it was a sweetheart deal for one company. That turns out not to | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
be the case. What criticism are you left with on this Nissan deal? I | :06:51. | :06:56. | |
would be really surprised if all that Nissan got was the reassurances | :06:57. | :07:03. | |
that Greg Clark is shared with us. He didn't answer the question of | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
what happens if we can't get continued tariff free access to the | :07:09. | :07:11. | |
single market, if we are not within the single market or the Customs | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
Union. Do you really think a negotiator like Nissan, who are very | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
good at negotiating, they would have excepted making this significant | :07:22. | :07:23. | |
investment without some further reassurances? Do you think there is | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
some kind of financial bride and if so what is the evidence? I would | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
like to see the letter published and I would also like to understand what | :07:35. | :07:40. | |
would happen... There are 27 countries which need to agree with | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
the deal we have from Brexit. What will Nissan, how will Nissan remain | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
competitive? How will the automotive industry remain competitive? Greg | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
Clark says he reassured them on that. But how will that be so if we | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
do not get access? We haven't heard anything about that. He talks about | :07:59. | :08:07. | |
reassurances given to Nissan. We need to make -- to know where we're | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
going to make sure Brexit is in the interest of all workers, not only | :08:12. | :08:14. | |
those who work for a Nissan and not only those who can get the attention | :08:15. | :08:22. | |
of Greg Clark. He assured Nissan that Britain would remain a | :08:23. | :08:24. | |
competitive place to do business. That was the main assurance he gave | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
them. He would help with skills and infrastructure and all the rest | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
Since you are -- intend to repeal the trade union laws that have made | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
strikes in Britain largely a thing of the past, and you plan to raise | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
corporation tax, you couldn't give Nissan the same assurance, could | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
you? We could absolutely give Nissan the assurance that we will be, our | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
vision of the future of the UK, is based on having a strong | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
manufacturing sector. Repealing trade union laws? As we have seen at | :08:56. | :09:06. | |
Nissan, the industrial sector is dependent on having highly trained, | :09:07. | :09:14. | |
well skilled workers. -- highly skilled, well-trained. You don't | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
have that by getting -- having an aggressive policy and trade union | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
laws or by slashing corporation tax and not supporting manufacturing | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
investment. Remember, the last government took away the | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
Manufacturing allowances which supported Manufacturing and slashed | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
corporation tax. That is their solution. It is a low tax, low skill | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
economy they want. Thank you. Sorry I had to rush you. | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
I'm grateful for you joining us I'm still struggling to see what is | :09:44. | :09:53. | |
left of Labour's criticism? Yeah, except for this. This was a valid | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
point she just made. What we know for sure is that Greg Clark could | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
say to Nissan, my aim is to get tariff free deal. There is no way he | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
could guarantee that. None of us know that. I don't think that was | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
enough. I think clearly there was a more detailed package involving | :10:12. | :10:18. | |
training and other things. He has acknowledged this, albeit we do not | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
know the precise mechanism. What I think is interesting about this is | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
if you reverse what happened this week, at a time when the government | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
says Britain is open for business and it is going to have an | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
industrial strategy, so far it is a bit vaguely defined. Nissan hadn't | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
made this commitment. Imagine what would have happened? It is an | :10:39. | :10:41. | |
impossible scenario. The government seems to me was obliged to make sure | :10:42. | :10:48. | |
this didn't happen. Let's not forget Nissan has invested hundreds of | :10:49. | :10:51. | |
millions in the north-east. It has been a huge success story. When I | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
spoke to workers from Nissan, they were so proud because they went to | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
Japan to teach the Japanese had to be more productive. The idea that | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
Nissan was just going to walk away from this given its track record, | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
its importance, wasn't really credible. The government had some | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
bargaining chips. Absolutely, of course they weren't going to walk | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
away. The majority of people in the area in which Nissan is braced - | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
based, voted for Brexit. Nissan knows it is in a powerful position | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
because it is an emotive sector Clearly the government didn't want | :11:28. | :11:30. | |
to have some big showdown. I honestly don't think this is a | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
smoking gun. The Labour Shadow minister really struggled to | :11:37. | :11:39. | |
articulate what exactly she thinks the government is hiding. I think | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
the reassurances were given were pretty anodyne, really. They were | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
anodyne and general. And what Greg Clark was setting out was an | :11:48. | :11:50. | |
objective and he made the right noises, and Nissan exercised its | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
right to sabre rattle. It does have a history of doing that. The one | :11:55. | :12:01. | |
thing that would now be clear given Greg Clark's performance this | :12:02. | :12:04. | |
morning on the BBC, is that if we were to discover some kind of | :12:05. | :12:07. | |
financial incentive directly linked to this investment, not more for | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
skills or infrastructure, that is fine, but some direct financial | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
investment, compensation for tariffs, which would be illegal | :12:18. | :12:19. | |
under World Trade Organisation rules, what you might call a | :12:20. | :12:25. | |
financial bride, the sect -- the business Secretary's position would | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
be untenable? He would be in a very difficult position indeed. Just | :12:30. | :12:32. | |
released the letter. There is nothing to hide. Put it out there. | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
The most revealing thing is that people are getting wildly excited | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
about the fact Greg Clark announced Britain's negotiating position would | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
be that we would like tariff free trade with Europe. This is regarded | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
as an insight into what this comment is doing and it says a great deal | :12:50. | :12:52. | |
about how little we have been told in Parliament and the media about | :12:53. | :12:58. | |
what they are up. Do you think it is exciting we are going for tariff | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
free trade? We're easily excited these days. We don't know. This is | :13:03. | :13:09. | |
where these things are at such a tentative phase. We don't know how | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
the rest of the European Union is going to respond to Britain's | :13:14. | :13:19. | |
negotiating hand. We know Britain once the best of everything, please. | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
It is a starting point. But that is not how it is going to end up. We | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
are getting wider than that. We have will have to see. | :13:30. | :13:31. | |
Now, Universal Credit, a single payment made to welfare | :13:32. | :13:33. | |
claimants that would roll together a plethora of benefits whilst | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
encouraging people into work by making work pay. | :13:37. | :13:38. | |
But have cuts to the flagship welfare scheme reduced work | :13:39. | :13:40. | |
incentives and hit the incomes of the least well-off? | :13:41. | :13:46. | |
Well, some of the government's own MPs think so, and, | :13:47. | :13:48. | |
as Mark Lobel reports, want the cuts reversed. | :13:49. | :13:55. | |
Theresa May says she wants a country that works | :13:56. | :13:58. | |
for everyone, that's on the side of ordinary, working people. | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
It means never writing off people who can work and consigning them | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
to a life on benefits, but giving them the chance to go out | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
and earn a living and to enjoy the dignity that comes | :14:09. | :14:11. | |
But now some in her party are worried that the low earners | :14:12. | :14:17. | |
will be hit by changes to Universal Credit benefit system | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
originally set up to encourage more people into work. | :14:23. | :14:24. | |
We also need to focus tax credits and Universal Credit | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
Concern centred on the Government's decision in the July 2015 budget | :14:28. | :14:34. | |
to find ?3 billion worth of savings from the Universal Credit bill. | :14:35. | :14:43. | |
Conservative MP Heidi Allen is working on a campaign to get MPs | :14:44. | :14:45. | |
in her party to urge the Prime Minister to think again. | :14:46. | :14:53. | |
I want her to understand for herself what the outcomes might | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
be if we press ahead with the Universal Credit, | :14:57. | :14:58. | |
Do you think Theresa May, right now, understands what you understand | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
To be fair, unless you really get into the detail, | :15:03. | :15:05. | |
and I have through my work on the Work and Pensions | :15:06. | :15:08. | |
Select Committee, I don't think anybody does. | :15:09. | :15:09. | |
Independent economic analysts at the IFS agree with Heidi Alan | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
that cuts to Universal Credit weaken incentives to work. | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
One of the key parts of the Universal Credit system | :15:21. | :15:22. | |
That is how much you can earn before your credit | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
As the Government has sought to save money, | :15:27. | :15:29. | |
both under the Coalition and now they Conservative Government, | :15:30. | :15:31. | |
both under the Coalition and now the Conservative Government, | :15:32. | :15:33. | |
that work allowance has been cut, time and time again. | :15:34. | :15:35. | |
The biggest cuts happened in the summer budget of 2015. | :15:36. | :15:38. | |
That basically reduces the amount of earnings you get to keep | :15:39. | :15:40. | |
It weakens the incentive people have to move into work. | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
What do changes to the Universal Credit system mean? | :15:45. | :15:46. | |
The Resolution Foundation think tank has crunched the numbers. | :15:47. | :15:49. | |
If you compare what would have happened before the July 2015 summer | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
budget to what will happen by 2 20, even if you take into account gains | :15:54. | :15:56. | |
in the National Living Wage and income tax cuts, | :15:57. | :15:58. | |
recipients will be hit by annual deductions. | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
Couples and parents would receive, on average, ?1000 less. | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
A dual-earning couple with two children under four, | :16:08. | :16:09. | |
with one partner working full-time on ?10.50 an hour and the other | :16:10. | :16:12. | |
working part-time on the minimum wage for around 20 | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
hours a week, they would receive ?1800 less. | :16:16. | :16:22. | |
Hit most by the changes would be a single parent | :16:23. | :16:25. | |
with a child under four, working full-time | :16:26. | :16:26. | |
I think, if I'm honest, it is unrealistic, given | :16:27. | :16:40. | |
the economic climate, to expect everything to be reversed. | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
What I would like to see is an increase in the work | :16:44. | :16:49. | |
allowances to those people who will be hardest hit. | :16:50. | :16:52. | |
That is single parents and second earners hoping to return to work, | :16:53. | :16:55. | |
because they are the people we need to absolutely make | :16:56. | :16:57. | |
The Sunday Politics understands that about 15 to 20 Conservative MPs | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
are pushing for changes ahead of the Autumn Statement. | :17:03. | :17:05. | |
A former cabinet minister told us that they believed further impact | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
analysis should be done to find out if any mitigation measures | :17:10. | :17:11. | |
Former Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith, an architect | :17:12. | :17:18. | |
of the system, now says the cuts should be reversed. | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
But his former department has told us that it has no plans to revisit | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
the work allowance changes announced in the budget last year. | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
What I would say to Heidi Allen and IDS, they got it right the first | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
time and they should stick to the vote they cast last year | :17:37. | :17:38. | |
because these reforms actually do make sense. | :17:39. | :17:40. | |
What interests me is the fact we are trying to move people | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
off welfare into work, we are raising the wages people | :17:44. | :17:45. | |
earn by massively increasing the minimum wage and this | :17:46. | :17:48. | |
People are coming off welfare and into work. | :17:49. | :17:51. | |
Campaigners are pushing for savings to come from other areas to relieve | :17:52. | :17:54. | |
The other thing we have to start looking at is the triple | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
Financially it has been a great policy, and it was absolutely right | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
that we lifted pensioners who were significantly behind, | :18:05. | :18:06. | |
for many years, in terms of income levels, but they have | :18:07. | :18:09. | |
I think it is time for us to look at that policy again, | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
because is costing us an awful lot of money. | :18:15. | :18:16. | |
With just over three weeks to wait until the Conservative leadership's | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
new economic plan is unveiled in the Autumn Statement, | :18:20. | :18:22. | |
its top team is under pressure from within its own ranks to use it | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
And I'm joined now by former Work and Pensions Secretary, | :18:27. | :18:35. | |
Welcome back to the programme. Theresa May said she is on the side | :18:36. | :18:43. | |
of the just managing, the working poor. But they are about to be hit | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
from all sides. Their modest living standards are going to be squeezed | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
as inflation overtakes pay rises, they will be further squeezed | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
because top-up benefits in work are frozen. Incentives to work are going | :18:57. | :18:59. | |
to be reduced by the cuts in universal benefits. So much for | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
being on the side of those just managing? Theresa was right to focus | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
on this group. The definition has to be the bottom half, in economic | :19:10. | :19:16. | |
terms, of the social structure. It doesn't look good for them? This is | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
the point I am making, it is an opportunity to put some of this | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
right. One of the reasons I resigned in March is because I felt the | :19:25. | :19:26. | |
direction of travel we had been going in had been to take far too | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
much money out of that group of people when there are other areas | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
which, if you need to make some of those savings, you can. The key bit | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
is that the group needs to be helped through into work and encouraged to | :19:39. | :19:41. | |
stay in work. There was a report done with the IFS, when we were | :19:42. | :19:45. | |
there, at Universal Credit. It said Universal Credit rolled out, as it | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
should have been before the cuts, people would be much more likely to | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
stay in work longer and earn more money. It is a net positive, but | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
that is now called into question. Let's unpick some of the detail but | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
first, do you accept the words of David Willets? It says on the basis | :20:05. | :20:07. | |
of the things I read out to you that the just managing face a significant | :20:08. | :20:14. | |
and painful cut in real terms if we continue on the way we are going. I | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
do, in essence. That is the reason why I resigned. I felt Heidi raised | :20:20. | :20:27. | |
that issue as well, that we got the balance wrong. It is right that | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
pensioners get to a certain point, when they are on a level par, doing | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
the right thing over five years Staying with that process has cost | :20:36. | :20:40. | |
us ?18 billion extra this year, in total. It will go on costing another | :20:41. | :20:49. | |
5 billion. Then there is the issue of tax allowances. I want to remind | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
you and viewers what David Cameron told the Conservative conference in | :20:54. | :21:00. | |
2009. If you are a single mother with two children, earning ?150 a | :21:01. | :21:05. | |
week, the withdrawal of your benefits and the additional taxes | :21:06. | :21:09. | |
that you pay me on that for every extra you earn, you keep just 4p. | :21:10. | :21:17. | |
What kind of incentive is that? 30 years ago, this party won and | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
election fighting against 98% tax rates for the Rex richest. I want us | :21:23. | :21:32. | |
today to show even more anger about 96% tax rates for the very poorest | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
in our country. Real anger, and effective rate of over 90%. | :21:38. | :21:43. | |
Universal Credit reduces that. Some will still face, as they lose | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
benefits and pay tax, a marginal rate of over 75%. That is still too | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
high? Yes, it is the collision between those going into work at the | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
moment they start paying tax. A racial Universal Credit is set at | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
65%. You can call that the base marginal tax rate. 1.2 million will | :22:02. | :22:07. | |
face 75%? That is the point about why the allowances are so important. | :22:08. | :22:11. | |
The point about the allowances which viewers might not fully understand | :22:12. | :22:14. | |
is that it was set, as part of Universal Credit, to allow you to | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
get certain people, with certain difficulties, as they cross into | :22:19. | :22:21. | |
work, to retain more benefit before it is tapered away as they go up in | :22:22. | :22:29. | |
hours. A lone parent, who might have various issues, you want her to have | :22:30. | :22:32. | |
a bigger incentive than a single person that does not have the same | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
commitments. It is structured so that somebody who has difficulty | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
going to work, they all have slightly different rates. What | :22:41. | :22:43. | |
happened is that last year a decision was taken to reduce tax | :22:44. | :22:46. | |
credits, and, on the back of that, to reduce allowances. I believe | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
given everything that happened now, we need to restore that to the point | :22:51. | :22:56. | |
where it helps those people crossing over. You say a decision was taken, | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
it was a decision by the former Chancellor George Osborne in the | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
summer budget. Other decisions were taken in successive Budgets to raise | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
the Universal Credit budget, which resulted in the disincentive being | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
higher than many people wanted. Do you accept that has been the | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
consequence of his decisions? I was in the Government, we take | :23:18. | :23:19. | |
collective responsibility. I argued this was not the right way to go, | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
but when you are in you have to stay with it if you lose that argument. | :23:24. | :23:26. | |
There was another attempt before the spending review last year to | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
increase the taper, so the marginal rate would have gone up. I managed | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
to stop that. I'm Sibley saying what we made as a decision last | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
year, given the circumstances and given that the net effect of all of | :23:40. | :23:44. | |
that, I think it is time for the Government to ask the question, if | :23:45. | :23:47. | |
we are in this to help that group of people, Universal Credit is | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
singularly the most powerful tool. One of the Argentine aid in the | :23:53. | :23:54. | |
paper published on Thursday, we are set going on doing two more races of | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
the tax threshold, taking more people out of tax. That has a | :24:01. | :24:06. | |
diminishing effect on the bottom section. Only 25p in that tax rate | :24:07. | :24:12. | |
will help any of those. Most of it goes to middle income? You and I | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
will benefit more from that. With Universal Credit, every pound you | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
put into that will go to the bottom five tenths. That is why I designed | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
it like that. He pressed the button and immediately start to changed | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
circumstances. Should the cuts in Universal Credit that Mr Osborne | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
introduced, against your argument, should they be reversed? I believe | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
so. I believe you can do it even if there is concern about spending I | :24:39. | :24:41. | |
don't believe you need to go through with the continuing raise the tax | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
threshold. Cost is dependent on inflation, but give or take. It is | :24:46. | :24:53. | |
in the Tory manifesto? Has more than doubled. What is in the manifesto, | :24:54. | :24:58. | |
and Lasse Prime Minister made this clear in conference, we want to | :24:59. | :25:04. | |
improve the life chances of people. Today's announcement on the Green | :25:05. | :25:07. | |
paper is what I wrote over the last two and a half years. Big changes | :25:08. | :25:11. | |
necessary to how we deal with sickness benefit. That can now be | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
done because of Universal Credit, because people can go back to work | :25:16. | :25:18. | |
and it tapers away their benefits. It is the most powerful tool to sort | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
our people that live in poverty Universal Credit. We need to make | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
sure it lands positively. If Mr Osborne's cuts were reversed, what | :25:29. | :25:30. | |
you and some of your backbench Tory colleagues want to do, how would | :25:31. | :25:35. | |
that improve the incentives of the working poor, as they try to get on | :25:36. | :25:41. | |
in life? They have to pay more tax, they lose some benefits. How would | :25:42. | :25:47. | |
it improve it? Would many still face a 75% rate? The key question is | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
first and foremost, as people move through income to the point where | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
they are getting taxed, that group will be enormously benefited by the | :25:57. | :25:59. | |
re-emergence of these allowances at the right level. That is what the | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
IFS have said, that is what the Resolution Foundation are saying, | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
and the Centre For Social Justice is saying. You have to get that group, | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
because they are most likely to be drifting into poverty and less | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
incomes are right. Would it help those who face a 75% margin? We | :26:18. | :26:23. | |
don't face that. Exactly right. People much poorer than us do. I | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
would love to get the marginal rate down to testify percent, and lower,. | :26:28. | :26:36. | |
-- down to 65%. It is a balance of how you spend the money. I would | :26:37. | :26:39. | |
prefer to do that rather than necessarily go ahead with threshold | :26:40. | :26:47. | |
razors. I think the coronation of the marginal reduction of 65%, | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
getting it down to 60%, plus more allowances, will allow Universal | :26:53. | :26:55. | |
Credit to get to the group that is going to be, and the report written | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
by the IFS and ourselves, it shows it is going to be the most dynamic | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
and direct ability of a Government to be able to influence the way that | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
people improve their incomes in the bottom five deciles. Would you take | :27:08. | :27:14. | |
on extra work if you knew you were going to lose 75% of it? Even 6 %? | :27:15. | :27:20. | |
This has been my argument all along. Universal Credit can help that | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
enormously. One point that goes missing, 70% of the bottom five | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
deciles will be on Universal Credit. Whatever change you make to | :27:31. | :27:32. | |
Universal Credit has a dramatic and immediate effect I am arguing, | :27:33. | :27:38. | |
genuinely, it is time to rethink this. The Prime Minister wants to | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
make this a priority. I am completely with her on this. I think | :27:43. | :27:46. | |
she made a really good start. To deliver this, we need to... You have | :27:47. | :27:51. | |
a lot of work to do to deliver it. Because it is a manifesto | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
commitment, or because they want to do it, stopping increasing the | :27:56. | :28:00. | |
personal allowances are not acceptable, what about bringing to | :28:01. | :28:03. | |
an end, by the end of the parliament, the pension triple lock | :28:04. | :28:09. | |
that pensioners enjoy to improve and put more money to the working poor? | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
What about that? Well, you are absolutely right that there is now | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
the danger, I think, of a mess balance between the generations | :28:20. | :28:22. | |
Quite rightly at the beginning, when we came in, we have a commitment as | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
a Conservative Party in a manifesto to get pensions back onto earnings. | :28:27. | :28:32. | |
It was moved to a triple lock that guaranteed a minimum. What about | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
ending up now? I understand it is a promise through the Parliament, but | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
after 2020? I am in favour of getting it back to innings and | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
allowing it to rise at reasonable levels. Moving from earnings to the | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
triple lock has cost ?18 billion this year. Here was a high, under | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
pressure, as the Government was scratching around to pay more money | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
out of working age areas, when the budget was almost out of control on | :28:59. | :29:02. | |
the pension side. I'm in favour of helping pensioners, but now they are | :29:03. | :29:05. | |
up to a reasonable level, at a steady rate, that can be afforded by | :29:06. | :29:09. | |
Government, which takes the pressure off, working age people have to pay | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
for that. In years to come, time to end the triple lock | :29:15. | :29:25. | |
and use the savings to help these people we have been talking about? | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
As part of a load of packages, yes. It would also help with the | :29:30. | :29:31. | |
intergenerational fairness argument. Thank you for being with us. | :29:32. | :29:34. | |
Now, a prominent London Imam called Shakeel Begg - | :29:35. | :29:37. | |
who is Chief Imam the Lewisham Islamic Centre - is an extremist. | :29:38. | :29:40. | |
That was the verdict of the judge in a libel action that Mr Begg took | :29:41. | :29:43. | |
against the BBC, after we described him as an Islamic extremist | :29:44. | :29:46. | |
Mr Begg had complained about a short segment in an interview in November | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
2013 with Farooq Murad, the then head of the Muslim Council | :29:51. | :29:53. | |
of Britain, an organisation which claims to represent British | :29:54. | :29:55. | |
In that interview, we described Mr Begg as an extremist speaker | :29:56. | :30:01. | |
who had hailed jihad is the greatest of deeds. | :30:02. | :30:04. | |
From his base of the Lewisham Islamic Centre, Mr Begg has been | :30:05. | :30:07. | |
involved in a number of community organisations, including | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
the Police Independent Advisory Group in Lewisham, | :30:12. | :30:13. | |
Lewisham Council's Advisory Council on Religious Education | :30:14. | :30:18. | |
and as a volunteer chaplain at Lewisham Hospital. | :30:19. | :30:21. | |
But in his judgment, Mr Justice Haddon-Cave called | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
Mr Begg a Jekyll and Hyde character - a trusted figure in his local | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
community, but when talking to predominantly Muslim audiences | :30:31. | :30:33. | |
he shed the cloak of respectability and revealed the horns of extremism. | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
The judge cited one speech made by Mr Begg at a rally | :30:39. | :30:41. | |
outside Belmarsh Prisonm- the high security prison that houses | :30:42. | :30:44. | |
terrorists - as particularly sinister. | :30:45. | :30:47. | |
The judge said the imam was expressing admiration and praise | :30:48. | :30:49. | |
Following Friday's judgment, the hospital trust have told us that | :30:50. | :30:55. | |
Mr Begg's status as a voluntary chaplain has been terminated. | :30:56. | :31:00. | |
We have been told by Lewisham Council he is no longer | :31:01. | :31:03. | |
on their Religious Education Committee. | :31:04. | :31:05. | |
The Metropolitan Police have confirmed that | :31:06. | :31:07. | |
Mr Begg remains a member of their Independent Advisory Group | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
in Lewisham, as well as the borough's faith group. | :31:13. | :31:21. | |
I am joined by Haras Rafiq, chief executive of the Quilliam | :31:22. | :31:26. | |
Foundation. Welcome to the programme. I have here in my hand a | :31:27. | :31:33. | |
statement from the trustees of the Lewisham Islamic Centre. They reject | :31:34. | :31:39. | |
the judge's ruling as fanciful and say they are unequivocal and | :31:40. | :31:41. | |
unwavering in their support of Shakeel Begg as their head imam | :31:42. | :31:48. | |
What do you make of that? To be honest, it doesn't surprise me. At | :31:49. | :31:52. | |
the end of the day he is only the imam of that mosque because he | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
belongs to the same theological fundamentalist views that the mosque | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
would portray. If they were to say he was an extremist, they would be | :32:02. | :32:06. | |
saying in fact that they have allowed extremist preaching and | :32:07. | :32:10. | |
extremist theology within their walls. I think this is a very | :32:11. | :32:15. | |
important decision and a very important judgment by the judge | :32:16. | :32:22. | |
First of all, these people like to operate in a linear, under a veneer | :32:23. | :32:26. | |
of respectability. When that veneer is taken away, there are a number of | :32:27. | :32:31. | |
things that can happen. First of all, the BBC did very well to stand | :32:32. | :32:35. | |
by their guns and say, we're not going to be intimidated by somebody | :32:36. | :32:42. | |
who is threatening to taking -- to take us to court for potential | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
libel. Many other media companies have done that in the past and | :32:47. | :32:51. | |
people have capitulated. Also, this has exposed him. Legally now, here's | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
some deal can be classified as an extremist preacher, somebody who | :32:57. | :33:00. | |
promotes religious violence. I think the mosque really needs to take a | :33:01. | :33:04. | |
step back and say, how we part of the problem that we are facing | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
within society? Or are we going to be part of the solution? It really | :33:09. | :33:17. | |
concerns me. The High Court judge says that Mr Begg's speeches were | :33:18. | :33:22. | |
consistent with an extremist Salafist is the most worldview. What | :33:23. | :33:29. | |
is Salafist is and how widespread is it in UK mosques? -- mosque. It | :33:30. | :33:39. | |
comes from the Middle East. It is from Saudi Arabia. The enemy for | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
them was the old colonial Ottoman Empire. There is the quiet Salafist | :33:43. | :33:51. | |
to get some with their lives, lives outside society. There is a | :33:52. | :33:53. | |
revolutionary who tries to convert other people to their worldview And | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
then there is the Salafist jihad ease. People like Islamic State etc. | :33:58. | :34:04. | |
We have seen of increased in recent decades because of money that has, | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
growing from the Middle East. When that is mixed with a political | :34:08. | :34:13. | |
ideology, it becomes potent. Do we have a political -- particular | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
problem in Britain with this in our mosques? Absolutely. Without the | :34:18. | :34:23. | |
theology that says hate the other, hate other Muslims, that | :34:24. | :34:26. | |
excommunicate other people, that says it is OK to fight and is good | :34:27. | :34:31. | |
to fight when you have got an enemy, we wouldn't really have a jihadi | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
problem. Really that is something we have to tackle. The number of | :34:36. | :34:43. | |
mosques and institutions supporting Salafist and Islam is has been on | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
the increase. Do we have a problem with what the judge called Jekyll | :34:48. | :34:52. | |
and Hyde characters who hide their extremism except when they are | :34:53. | :34:58. | |
speaking to specific groups? Absolutely. One of the things we | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
have focused on in the past, a number of hate preachers now in | :35:04. | :35:07. | |
prison, people like Anjem Choudary, and everybody focused on them. But | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
there is a range of people operating under that level. People who will | :35:12. | :35:15. | |
show one face to the community because they actually need that for | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
a respectability. They need that for a legitimacy. They need that to | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
operate. When they are behind closed doors and talking to their | :35:25. | :35:28. | |
constitution, that is when you will see the real face of what these | :35:29. | :35:33. | |
people believe. It is an increasing phenomenon. We are seeing it more. | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
And we're going to carry on seeing it. Not just has the Lewisham mosque | :35:38. | :35:44. | |
stuck by him, but given the clarity of the judge's ruling, are you | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
surprised that the Metropolitan police would wish to continue with | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
Mr Begg as an adviser? I'm absolutely shocked that that | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
decision. What Uzzy going to do Advise them on how to deal with | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
extremist preachers and promote religiously motivated violence? I | :36:03. | :36:04. | |
don't know what he's going to advise them on. Because we now have a judge | :36:05. | :36:10. | |
that has ruled against him and actually classified him as an | :36:11. | :36:13. | |
extremist and somebody who promotes religious violence, we actually have | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
a possibility for the CPS to actually prosecute him. There is a | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
law that has been in place since 2005 called religiously motivated | :36:24. | :36:26. | |
violence. If he has been classified as somebody who promotes this, there | :36:27. | :36:32. | |
is a potential for the CPS to prosecute. I want to called into | :36:33. | :36:36. | |
question other organisations, interfaith organisations, other | :36:37. | :36:39. | |
Muslims groups, who say they want to fight extremism, I call on them to | :36:40. | :36:46. | |
say, this guy is an extremist preacher, we should cut our ties | :36:47. | :36:55. | |
from him. This was a very high risk strategy by the BBC. The exposure | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
could have been over ?1.5 million of licence payers money. Will this make | :37:00. | :37:05. | |
it more difficult for Jekyll and Hyde characters to behave as Mr Begg | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
has behaved? Absolutely. It will do. One of the things they will now have | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
to make sure is that they are a lot more careful. Careful with what they | :37:16. | :37:22. | |
say to their own constituency. It won't solve the theological problem. | :37:23. | :37:26. | |
But it will actually stop other people from operating in this manner | :37:27. | :37:30. | |
and allow other media organisations to have the confidence to expose | :37:31. | :37:34. | |
them when they do. Haras Rafiq, thank you for joining us. | :37:35. | :37:37. | |
It's just gone 11.35, you're watching the Sunday Politics. | :37:38. | :37:39. | |
We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now | :37:40. | :37:42. | |
Coming up here in 20 minutes, the Week Ahead. | :37:43. | :37:50. | |
Welcome to Sunday Politics South - my name's Peter Henley. | :37:51. | :37:56. | |
On today's show: Taking domdstic DIY waste to the tip used to be free - | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
until councils across the rdgion started charging for the prhvilege. | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
But just this week one council says it may rethink the plan | :38:06. | :38:08. | |
because of confusing signals from the government. | :38:09. | :38:16. | |
Let's meet the two politici`ns who are going to be here. Mirial Kennet | :38:17. | :38:25. | |
was the Green Party candidate in Reading of the last election. Conor | :38:26. | :38:27. | |
Burns is the Conservative MP for Bournemouth West. You've bedn | :38:28. | :38:36. | |
involved in this Nissan dechsion. There were written guaranteds given | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
to this company, which everxbody else is going to be king for, aren't | :38:40. | :38:47. | |
they? Well, I saw quite a lot of the conversations that were had with | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
Nissan. They are a long-terl investor in the United Kingdom. | :38:52. | :38:54. | |
Their core reason for investment is the scale of their workforcd in | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
Sunderland. They obviously `re concerned as to what a potential | :39:00. | :39:03. | |
European trade arrangement looks like. Of course the Governmdnt | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
reassured them and the motor Manufacturers that motor manufacture | :39:09. | :39:11. | |
and free trade in that is a very important thing for us. So BMW would | :39:12. | :39:17. | |
want a slightly different reassurance in Oxford? They will be | :39:18. | :39:20. | |
lobbying Angela Merkel, as well folks like. Because they ard very | :39:21. | :39:27. | |
important export markets on the continent. -- Foxfire gun. | :39:28. | :39:42. | |
wanted in the service area. Let us wanted in the service area. Let us | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
go back to Nissan. This is ` huge vote of confidence in Britahn. Lots | :39:48. | :39:52. | |
of people said things during the referendum, but have turned out not | :39:53. | :39:57. | |
to be true. We have the Chancellor of the Exchequer extolling the fact | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
this week that in the third quarter we are growing at more than 5%. -- | :40:02. | :40:13. | |
03 point -- three -- 0.3%. I understand there has been a growth | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
in GDP at the moment, but no growth in manufacturing at all. Evdn the | :40:19. | :40:23. | |
thought of Brexit has ruined sterling. | :40:24. | :40:31. | |
It makes the Valley of the pound in our pockets so much less, it makes | :40:32. | :40:37. | |
UK plc so much less. -- the value of the pound. Nissan feel comfortable | :40:38. | :40:46. | |
enough may be looking a bit ahead, but everybody surely is going to | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
come to Greg Clark and you, saying what can we have? They want to know | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
what can the Government achheve in the negotiation? The Prime Linister | :40:56. | :41:01. | |
says she wants the fullest `ccess for British companies to thd single | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
market, compatible with our ability to control our own borders `nd make | :41:06. | :41:11. | |
the laws that apply in the TK in the -- in the UK. But the trouble is we | :41:12. | :41:14. | |
are going to go straight out of the EU... You don't know that. | :41:15. | :41:21. | |
You argued we would go into a single market probably after the | :41:22. | :41:27. | |
referendum. There is a diffdrence between access to the singld market | :41:28. | :41:33. | |
and ambition of the single larket. But BMW would want freedom of | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
movement for staff? We think freedom of movement is important, it is a | :41:39. | :41:46. | |
cornerstone of a democracy. There is nothing about free movement that is | :41:47. | :41:50. | |
the cornerstone of a democr`cy. The ability to set your own laws in your | :41:51. | :41:54. | |
own country is the cornerstone of democracy. By the way, that does not | :41:55. | :42:02. | |
mean no immigration. Immigr`tion is a very good thing. The right skills, | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
the people coming to our cotntry. But we need to decide in thhs | :42:07. | :42:12. | |
country how many, from word... Skilled workers will be abld to move | :42:13. | :42:15. | |
back and forwards in Oxford. We re not sure. My neighbour wrotd to | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
their MP and ask for a guar`ntee for people from the EU. The spokesman | :42:21. | :42:26. | |
from the Government said thdy can't guarantee it. We are very clear we | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
want to guarantee the rights of EU nationals living in the UK. But we | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
also want to do that at the same time as we get the same guarantees | :42:36. | :42:38. | |
for people living in the UK. So, this week we finally got | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
the much-trailed and much-ddlayed announcement of where the government | :42:44. | :42:45. | |
wants to build a new runway And possibly to nobody's grdat | :42:46. | :42:48. | |
surprise it was to stick with the recommendation | :42:49. | :43:00. | |
of the Davies commission and build Locals in the Prime Minister's | :43:01. | :43:03. | |
constituency of Maidenhead , just one of many around London to be | :43:04. | :43:06. | |
affected by the decision - When it comes to the economx, it is | :43:07. | :43:16. | |
a good idea. But it will cole at a cost to the locals. I think it would | :43:17. | :43:21. | |
do Maidenhead good. Something needs to happen here and bring thd place | :43:22. | :43:25. | |
up a little bit. The third runway will bring a lot of business to this | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
area, a lot of new jobs, whhch is important. | :43:30. | :43:31. | |
The other option of course had been Gatwick, where campaigners | :43:32. | :43:33. | |
were understandably breathing a bit of a sigh of relief. | :43:34. | :43:39. | |
We don't wish airport expansion on anybody, but we do not belidve | :43:40. | :43:44. | |
Gatwick will go away. Gatwick residents may not bd | :43:45. | :43:47. | |
entirely in the clear just xet a ban on night flights at Hdathrow, | :43:48. | :43:50. | |
which was one of the condithons for the go-ahead on its exp`nsion | :43:51. | :43:53. | |
plans, could mean more night flights A win for Heathrow was of course | :43:54. | :43:55. | |
a loss for Gatwick - and although local residents | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
in West Sussex may have been pleased at the result, local | :44:01. | :44:05. | |
businesses were less so. Jeff Alexander is Executive Director | :44:06. | :44:08. | |
of the Gatwick Diamond Inithative, bringing together businesses | :44:09. | :44:10. | |
and local authorities in thd area. You're not so happy about G`twick | :44:11. | :44:19. | |
missing out on something? Wd think it's the wrong decision both for the | :44:20. | :44:22. | |
national economy and our local economy. Not just for our | :44:23. | :44:27. | |
businesses, but the people that live here. A lot of our people are | :44:28. | :44:30. | |
dependent on Gatwick Airport in terms of their jobs. You thhnk it | :44:31. | :44:35. | |
might go backwards as a restlt of losing out in this conversation I | :44:36. | :44:41. | |
wouldn't want to say that, because Gatwick is making huge investment. | :44:42. | :44:45. | |
It is in the middle of a ?2.5 billion investment plan that has | :44:46. | :44:48. | |
nothing to do with the second runway. So by 2001 it will have made | :44:49. | :44:53. | |
that investment. That has enabled them to grow to 43 million | :44:54. | :44:58. | |
passengers per year, and 50 long-haul overseas routes. So it is | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
an enormously economic asset for the region, for the country. And it will | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
remain that. But nevertheless it is disappointing | :45:09. | :46:02. | |
eventually by this decision. Do you eventually by this decision. Do you | :46:03. | :46:06. | |
think part of the reason whx Gatwick did not get there was because there | :46:07. | :46:09. | |
way that the maybe I'm not with way that the maybe I'm not with | :46:10. | :46:12. | |
Heathrow, and the infrastructure, problems with rail, it is nothing | :46:13. | :46:14. | |
like the same as Heathrow? We would always argue for more investment in | :46:15. | :46:16. | |
course, but we need to remelber that course, but we need to remelber that | :46:17. | :46:18. | |
Gatwick is extremely well connected by public tra nsport. 43% of | :46:19. | :46:21. | |
passengers get to the airport by public transport, far higher than | :46:22. | :46:23. | |
Heathrow. Within a year or 250 million people will be withhn one | :46:24. | :46:25. | |
know it is difficult to be positive know it is difficult to be positive | :46:26. | :46:28. | |
about it with the current problems with the rail, but there is light at | :46:29. | :46:31. | |
the end of the tunnel if yot look at the investment in London Brhdge the | :46:32. | :46:33. | |
investment in Thameslink. Wd're going to get a brand-new Gatwick | :46:34. | :46:36. | |
station that befits an international so there is a lot we can look | :46:37. | :46:38. | |
forward Gatwick continues to expand, that was something people whll be | :46:39. | :46:41. | |
saying, we don't want that? The starting point has to bd that | :46:42. | :46:43. | |
successive develop -- Government is determined then it up to be airport | :46:44. | :46:45. | |
expansion in the south-east, and then it is a case of but looking | :46:46. | :46:48. | |
forward to more noise and pollution if Gatwick continues to exp`nd, that | :46:49. | :46:50. | |
was something people will bd saying, we don't want that? The starting | :46:51. | :46:53. | |
point has to be that successive develop -- Government is determined | :46:54. | :46:55. | |
then written to be airport dxpansion in the south-east, and then it is a | :46:56. | :46:58. | |
case of looking at the from a noise and environmental impact pohnt of | :46:59. | :47:00. | |
view, Gatwick was way better than Heathrow. If Heathrow gets bogged | :47:01. | :47:03. | |
down with legal challenges `nd the rest of it from a noise and | :47:04. | :47:05. | |
environmental impact point of view, Gatwick was way better than | :47:06. | :47:06. | |
Heathrow. If Heathrow gets bogged down with | :47:07. | :47:09. | |
legal challenges and the rest is Gatwick going to jump into H cannot | :47:10. | :47:11. | |
say it will definitely happdn, but we have seen the sorts of pdople | :47:12. | :47:14. | |
that are going to be involvdd in challenges. But Gatwick is | :47:15. | :47:17. | |
definitely ready to go, and it has said it can deliver a I think it | :47:18. | :47:19. | |
definitely will. I cannot s`y it will definitely happen, but we have | :47:20. | :47:22. | |
seen the sort of people that are going to be involved in challenges. | :47:23. | :47:24. | |
But Gatwick is definitely rdady to go, and it has said it can deliver | :47:25. | :47:27. | |
stands ready to do Miriam, xou are stands ready to do Miriam, xou are | :47:28. | :47:30. | |
not happy about runways the choice is. The Prime Minister is about to | :47:31. | :47:32. | |
or less aviation. The Prime Minister is about a climate to I helped there | :47:33. | :47:35. | |
is Marrakesh coming, and thdre is Marrakesh coming up that colpatible | :47:36. | :47:36. | |
with a BA -- more aviation. How are with a BA -- more aviation. How are | :47:37. | :47:39. | |
we going to make that compatible with AV -- hospital where pdople | :47:40. | :47:42. | |
have lots of lung there are such health issues already. I went to a | :47:43. | :47:44. | |
lung diseases the people who lung diseases the people who | :47:45. | :47:46. | |
obstruction. The people to from it often have is really a big `round | :47:47. | :47:49. | |
with oxygen, it is really a big that we don't have much more of that in | :47:50. | :47:59. | |
that there are good to be. Hf we have electric cars, can't wd find a | :48:00. | :48:05. | |
technological solution? App`rently aviation is already I think it's 9% | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
of green house gases, 50% of CO , and it is predicted by 2050 that it | :48:11. | :48:16. | |
will be a huge amount, I thhnk 5% of all our CO2. So it cannot do that | :48:17. | :48:22. | |
unless the rest of the country cannot have unless there ard | :48:23. | :48:24. | |
cutbacks in other ways. If we have electric cars, can we find | :48:25. | :48:26. | |
technological solution? App`rently technological solution? App`rently | :48:27. | :48:28. | |
aviation is already I think it's 9% of green house gases, 50% of CO , | :48:29. | :48:31. | |
and it is predicted by 2050 that it will be a huge amount, I thhnk 5% | :48:32. | :48:34. | |
of all our CO2. So we cannot do that unless the rest of the country | :48:35. | :48:45. | |
cannot have made a decision. We need extra airport capacity, but is in | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
that use of CO2. Theresa Max knows that use of CO2. Theresa Max knows | :48:51. | :48:53. | |
that, because in 2009 she s`id it is a devastating decision by the Labour | :48:54. | :48:55. | |
she does not believe it herself she does not believe it herself | :48:56. | :48:58. | |
Have we come a long way frol 20 9? The devastating decision wotld be | :48:59. | :49:01. | |
not to make a decision. I al pleased we have made a decision. We need | :49:02. | :49:04. | |
extra airport capacity, but is in by is agreed by not want to sed the mud | :49:05. | :49:06. | |
of damage to the environment increased as a result but you do not | :49:07. | :49:10. | |
want to see the might of dalage to the environment increased as the | :49:11. | :49:12. | |
environmental impact was looked at and reassurances were constraints. | :49:13. | :49:14. | |
One of the things Nissan were looking at is growing the electrical | :49:15. | :49:16. | |
we are confident we can do this within environmental constr`ints. | :49:17. | :49:18. | |
One of the things Nissan were looking at is growing the m`rket | :49:19. | :49:20. | |
enormously. The Business Secretary has made it clear the Government | :49:21. | :49:23. | |
wants to invest in supporting need to show we are open for bushness, | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
and trade alliances with thd so lots of ways we are looking to rdduce | :49:28. | :49:29. | |
emissions -- emissions in other places. We need to show we `re open | :49:30. | :49:35. | |
for business, and trade allhances with in the prose Brexit world. The | :49:36. | :49:38. | |
disagreement should be open for business? No, but making quhck to be | :49:39. | :49:45. | |
no, we've had it and Hinklex Point, we've had it at Heathrow, on Nissan. | :49:46. | :49:50. | |
There seems to be no you cannot say that Nissan is a well, it is in the | :49:51. | :49:59. | |
sense of think it was a hasty decision? | :50:00. | :50:01. | |
Was a well considered busindss does not like this... Do you think it was | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
a hasty decision? Was well, 80 years, I think. I wouldn't can be | :50:07. | :50:11. | |
accused of like that. I don't think the Government can be accusdd of | :50:12. | :50:17. | |
would not think a hasty one. And there is one more year ahead of us | :50:18. | :50:22. | |
in terms of public consultation An awful lot can and I am sure will | :50:23. | :50:26. | |
happen in that I think they can be accused of the wrong decision, but I | :50:27. | :50:29. | |
would not think a hasty one. And there is one more year ahead of us | :50:30. | :50:31. | |
in terms of public consultation An awful lot can and I am sure will | :50:32. | :50:34. | |
happen in that you will be hnvolved in do you think it could Boris | :50:35. | :50:37. | |
Johnson says? Well, two important issues. Health impact and | :50:38. | :50:39. | |
environmental when the bulldozers arrive as Boris Johnson says? Well, | :50:40. | :50:44. | |
two important issues. Health impact and from the two in terms of | :50:45. | :50:49. | |
emissions. The Davies Commission bid and involve calculation on health | :50:50. | :50:56. | |
costs arising from the two H think the Heathrow option was calculated | :50:57. | :50:59. | |
at costs of ?25 billion compared to ?1.5 billion for see you in court as | :51:00. | :51:11. | |
they say let us see what those calculations -- how those | :51:12. | :51:13. | |
calculation is stacked up in court. See you in court as | :51:14. | :51:16. | |
Not an acronym that trips off the tongue, they're | :51:17. | :51:20. | |
Household Waste Recycling Cdntres, or council tips to you and le. | :51:21. | :51:23. | |
And like every other local `uthority service nowadays they're under | :51:24. | :51:25. | |
pressure to make savings, so many have started charging | :51:26. | :51:28. | |
to take what they call DIY waste off your hands - | :51:29. | :51:30. | |
things like plaster board, rubble, old sinks. | :51:31. | :51:32. | |
We sent our Hampshire and Isle of Wight reporter Jess Parkdr | :51:33. | :51:34. | |
to find out if people think that's a straightforward money-savhng | :51:35. | :51:37. | |
-- see you in court, as thex now, it could cost you depending on what you | :51:38. | :51:41. | |
bring. New charges are in force in | :51:42. | :51:45. | |
Hampshire for what is known as DIY waste a trip to the tip. But now, it | :51:46. | :51:48. | |
could cost you depending on what you bring. New charges are in force in | :51:49. | :51:51. | |
Hampshire for what is known as DIY it has taken Adam by drop off some | :51:52. | :51:54. | |
soil and I just turned up to drop off some soil from our out there is | :51:55. | :51:58. | |
a charge. What are you going to do a charge. What are you going to do | :51:59. | :52:06. | |
with it all? I'm not to find out there is a charge. What are you | :52:07. | :52:14. | |
going to do with it all? I'l not it cost Adam ?15. These new feds offer | :52:15. | :52:21. | |
items like domestic soil, rtbble and have now been brought in across many | :52:22. | :52:25. | |
areas of the South. Councils say they can do this, as these htems are | :52:26. | :52:29. | |
waste an expensive day's work on the waste an expensive day's work on the | :52:30. | :52:32. | |
garden? Yes! Charges the so,called DIY waste have now been brotght in | :52:33. | :52:33. | |
across many areas of the Sotth. across many areas of the Sotth. | :52:34. | :52:36. | |
Councils say they can do thhs, as these items are technically charged | :52:37. | :52:41. | |
as non-household I believe ht is a tip tax, I think residents will feel | :52:42. | :52:43. | |
their pain twice. They are `lready paying for a service for thdir waste | :52:44. | :52:50. | |
collection and waste no, we have accepted that waste previously, and | :52:51. | :52:51. | |
your normal household waste will not your normal household waste will not | :52:52. | :52:54. | |
be charged for. But we do h`ve to charge for the waste, which | :52:55. | :52:58. | |
expensive to get rid of. People will see they because my budget has been | :52:59. | :53:03. | |
cut considerably, so I have to charge for that. With crushhng | :53:04. | :53:07. | |
pressure on council budgets, an increasing number of local | :53:08. | :53:09. | |
authorities are introducing these types of charges. So what is the | :53:10. | :53:14. | |
damage? In Hampshire a sack of rubble now costs ?2 50 to dhspose | :53:15. | :53:19. | |
of. In West Sussex, a bag of plasterboard will cost ?4. @nd in | :53:20. | :53:22. | |
Dorset, a car tyre will cost you ?5 Dorset, a car tyre will cost you ?5 | :53:23. | :53:26. | |
paying for something, and now they have to. Yes, because my budget has | :53:27. | :53:29. | |
been cut considerably, so I have to charge for that. With crushhng | :53:30. | :53:31. | |
pressure on council budgets, an increasing number of local | :53:32. | :53:33. | |
authorities are introducing these types of charges. So what is the | :53:34. | :53:35. | |
damage? In Hampshire a sack of rubble now costs ?2 50 to dhspose | :53:36. | :53:38. | |
of. In West Sussex, a bag of plasterboard will cost ?4. @nd in | :53:39. | :53:41. | |
Dorset, a car tyre will cost you but some residents do not think these | :53:42. | :53:44. | |
fees are I've got four grow bags in to make them smaller and manageable. | :53:45. | :53:46. | |
And they find they do not which I have cut in half to make thdm | :53:47. | :53:49. | |
find they do boot. What do xou think find they do boot. What do xou think | :53:50. | :53:52. | |
deplorable. We pay our -- they want deplorable. We pay our -- they want | :53:53. | :53:55. | |
to pound 50 for each of the bags. I wish you them in the boot. What do | :53:56. | :53:58. | |
you think of this charge? I think it is deplorable. We pay? George drives | :53:59. | :54:01. | |
of, to dump the soil in his own garden. But there are fears that | :54:02. | :54:03. | |
others will not be so law-abiding. The majority of people will get on | :54:04. | :54:08. | |
with it, and pay the charges, but it may encourage a few people hf it is | :54:09. | :54:12. | |
a little bit too much, just basically dump their waste `t the | :54:13. | :54:15. | |
side of the road. It is still illegal, still fly-tipping, but a | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
local authority would then have to pay to clear that waste. On farmland | :54:21. | :54:29. | |
near Basingstoke, we found this Incidents of fly-tipping have been | :54:30. | :54:35. | |
on the rise. ?15 million is the cost to local authorities in England last | :54:36. | :54:39. | |
year. Isn't there an issue when you make people pay a little bit more, | :54:40. | :54:44. | |
but they might be more likely to do fly-tipping? No, the evidence from | :54:45. | :54:50. | |
other authorities, are except there is a concern, but the evidence is | :54:51. | :54:54. | |
that people don't like change initially, but they accept we have | :54:55. | :54:58. | |
to keep our site is open. A slightly to keep our site is open. A slightly | :54:59. | :55:07. | |
more pricey trip to the trip may not seem like austerity, but it does | :55:08. | :55:12. | |
hate people's politics. -- pockets. For politicians, always a rhsky | :55:13. | :55:19. | |
strategy. Just a tip! Mirial, will we end up with more fly-tipping as a | :55:20. | :55:24. | |
result of this? Well, there is no such place as "Away". I was at a | :55:25. | :55:31. | |
recycling centre this week, and there was one of these plastic | :55:32. | :55:35. | |
razors. I had this image in my head of a poor fish in the seed having to | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
swim around that. We have got to deal with our waste, there hs no | :55:40. | :55:45. | |
place that is called "Away" were magically everything disappdars | :55:46. | :55:50. | |
They call them recycling centres. Not everything is. One of the things | :55:51. | :55:58. | |
the Green Party say is, recxcle repair, relax. There is a whole | :55:59. | :56:03. | |
industry that could be set tp from that. People could work on that | :56:04. | :56:07. | |
there is jobs in that. Somebody has to pay for it. No, but we are paying | :56:08. | :56:15. | |
the cost and health, the fish are paying... And what happens hs | :56:16. | :56:18. | |
society pays, all of us togdther, and people with more stuff" to us | :56:19. | :56:24. | |
more. So we need to have a strategy again, a plan, to think abott what | :56:25. | :56:29. | |
to do with our waste, and planned properly, everything we use either | :56:30. | :56:30. | |
is consumed or we have to ddal with is consumed or we have to ddal with | :56:31. | :56:34. | |
reuse it. Do you feel sympathetic reuse it. Do you feel sympathetic | :56:35. | :56:40. | |
for the council is caught in the middle? I am conflicted on this In | :56:41. | :56:47. | |
the 1970s and 1980s used to put everything in a single bin. Now we | :56:48. | :56:50. | |
separate batteries, plastics, food waste. We have come an enorlous | :56:51. | :56:56. | |
distance in how we support waste. But they were not talking there | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
about the environment, they were talking about council budgets. We | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
need to remember that so much of what councils do around adult social | :57:05. | :57:08. | |
care and children's are our statutory obligations put upon them | :57:09. | :57:14. | |
by central government. A sm`ll charge to take some waste to a | :57:15. | :57:19. | |
recycling centre, provided ht is not core household waste...? I `m | :57:20. | :57:27. | |
conflicted. But fly-tipping costs ?50 per incident to sort out. But | :57:28. | :57:32. | |
what is the state for, if you cannot look after its children? Thd state | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
and the council have to havd provision for this, and it hs really | :57:37. | :57:42. | |
important. I don't agree, btt they were talking about the pressure on | :57:43. | :57:46. | |
their governments. We are still borrowing in this country around ?85 | :57:47. | :57:50. | |
billion per year more than we are bringing in in revenue. Therefore we | :57:51. | :57:55. | |
need to increase the real rdvenue. We have to get our public fhnances | :57:56. | :58:01. | |
after -- under control. One way is to make money from waste rather than | :58:02. | :58:02. | |
throwing it away. Now our regular round-up | :58:03. | :58:04. | |
of the political week Four out of ten councils ard | :58:05. | :58:20. | |
breaking political -- pollution limits. In Oxford, they are | :58:21. | :58:24. | |
considering banning all vehhcles except electric by the end of the | :58:25. | :58:31. | |
decade. It is the old peopld, it is children, and those with | :58:32. | :58:34. | |
pre-existing medical condithons Pollution is just one probldm for | :58:35. | :58:37. | |
people living on the streets. Councillors say a new Bill to help | :58:38. | :58:41. | |
the homeless will not help hn parts of the South where house prhces are | :58:42. | :58:46. | |
too high. In the new Forest, agricultural workers have bden | :58:47. | :58:51. | |
clobbered by a 40% rent risd. I do an honest day's work, and this is | :58:52. | :58:55. | |
how they repay you. The Fordstry Commission say they have too correct | :58:56. | :59:00. | |
historic anomalies. The Chancellor reignited a debate from the past, | :59:01. | :59:05. | |
backing new plans to build `t Dibden Bay. One development being | :59:06. | :59:12. | |
celebrated so, pound gorill`. The Queen dropped into Prince Charles's | :59:13. | :59:15. | |
design experiment to give it her seal of approval. -- pound brewery. | :59:16. | :59:33. | |
Do you like primary? -- Pundbury. -- Poundbury. It is important that | :59:34. | :59:37. | |
young people have some placd to live, and at the moment the prices | :59:38. | :59:43. | |
at so enormous, and there is so much speculation... The housing needs to | :59:44. | :59:48. | |
be affordable, for real people, but what tends to happen is hugd swathes | :59:49. | :59:51. | |
of land are given to foreign investors who are there to lake | :59:52. | :59:54. | |
speculation, for people who cannot put their money in the bank and just | :59:55. | :59:59. | |
use it as an investment. Hotsing is Helms, and we must remember that. | :00:00. | :00:06. | |
Begin to the results in the end Yes, I think this Government is | :00:07. | :00:08. | |
absolutely committed to building more homes. Are we going to seek -- | :00:09. | :00:15. | |
are going to see results. Wd need local authority homes, for real | :00:16. | :00:21. | |
people, who cannot afford to get on the property ladder. There was new | :00:22. | :00:27. | |
social housing built in Bournemouth last year. Thank you to our guests | :00:28. | :00:41. | |
this week. Now back to Andrdw Neill. -- Andrew Neil. | :00:42. | :00:55. | |
Barely more than a week now until polling day, | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
and a new revelation rocks the US Presidential election campaign. | :01:01. | :01:09. | |
If it wasn't bizarre enough, it just got more bizarre. | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
The FBI have reopened their investigation into Hillary Clinton's | :01:14. | :01:15. | |
use of private email servers whilst she was Secretary | :01:16. | :01:17. | |
of State, after the discovery of further emails. | :01:18. | :01:25. | |
Though not on her laptop or even the State Department. | :01:26. | :01:30. | |
Donald Trump is saying that it's bigger than Watergate - | :01:31. | :01:32. | |
so could it swing the election in his favour? | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
We spoke to top US pollster, Frank Luntz. | :01:36. | :01:37. | |
The FBI investigation is happening so late in the election process | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
that it would be very difficult to derail a Clinton victory. | :01:41. | :01:45. | |
That said, if there is one thing that could keep Hillary Clinton | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
from the presidency, it's an FBI investigation. | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
But there's still only four states that really matter, Florida, Ohio, | :01:54. | :01:55. | |
Right now, Clinton has beyond the margin of error leads | :01:56. | :02:01. | |
This would have to have a truly significant impact for the election | :02:02. | :02:08. | |
There is a point about a week ago when I was prepared to say that | :02:09. | :02:15. | |
Clinton had a 95% chance of winning this election. | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
Based on what has happened in the last 48 hours, | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
It is still very likely, but I wouldn't bet on it. | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
I thought the 2000 election would be the best election of my lifetime, | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
And then I thought 2008 would be amazing, because we had two | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
challenger candidates and the first African-American President. | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
It is ugly, it's painful, it is as negative as anything | :02:44. | :02:52. | |
The public is angry, the country, overall, is frustrated. | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
But for entertainment value, these candidates probably should | :02:58. | :03:04. | |
have charged us money, because it's better than any movie | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
at ever seen, it's better than any TV show. | :03:09. | :03:10. | |
That was Frank Luntz. He may be right or wrong about Mrs Clinton | :03:11. | :03:22. | |
still having an 80% chance of winning. I would bet on an 80% | :03:23. | :03:31. | |
chance? Yes, absolutely. I spoke to a high-profile American pollster and | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
strategist last night and he took a rather different view to Frank | :03:35. | :03:40. | |
Luntz. He thought, and I think some other high-profile commentators | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
agree, that this is actually much more serious than some people | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
realise. There are an awful lot of undecided voters out there looking | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
for an excuse to vote Trump. They do not like what they see in either | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
candidate. But because this FBI probe is not going to conclude | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
before the election, the question, the doubt over Hillary Clinton, | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
gives them an excuse to back Trump. The thing that will play on the | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
minds of the voters is, could the 100 day honeymoon turning to the 100 | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
day divorce? Which even be impeached? It may give some people | :04:17. | :04:22. | |
an excuse not to vote for Mrs Clinton. It could provide a problem | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
in terms of energising her base The battle ground almost matters more | :04:27. | :04:33. | |
than the polls. Florida and Pennsylvania have been trending to | :04:34. | :04:40. | |
Mrs Clinton. Mr Trump needs to win both. He does not get in without | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
both. He needs both. Just coming up in the latest BBC News, the | :04:46. | :04:51. | |
Washington Post tracking poll, Mrs Clinton is now only one point ahead | :04:52. | :04:57. | |
in the national poll. One point Even given my caveat that the state | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
battles are most important. That is incredibly close? It is. Polls | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
yesterday showed Trump nationally closing of. -- up. There is a clear | :05:09. | :05:16. | |
trend and movement. This has reinforced everything that people | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
who have a problem with Hillary Clinton know about Hillary Clinton. | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
Trump is running this insurgent campaign. We have seen at here with | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
Brexit. If you are running an insurgent campaign, you want to be | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
against the ultimate establishment insider and that is what Hillary | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
Clinton is. I suggested it was bizarre. Fathoming the behaviour of | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
the FBI is interesting as well. This is a separate investigation into a | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
former congressman, Anthony Wiener, who had done all sorts of things. He | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
seemed to be sex text thing a minor. A 15-year-old girl. The FBI | :05:52. | :05:59. | |
investigate. They get his laptop to see what else he has been too. In | :06:00. | :06:06. | |
the course of that, his wife, now separated, the closest adviser to | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
Hillary Clinton, they find on the laptop e-mails involving the Clinton | :06:11. | :06:19. | |
server to her. And yet the FBI cannot, it needs now a separate | :06:20. | :06:26. | |
warrant to access these e-mails It hasn't got that yet. It has got a | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
warrant to do the congressman e-mails. On the basis of not knowing | :06:30. | :06:36. | |
the content, this has happened. Yeah. Who knows? He is a Republican, | :06:37. | :06:43. | |
this guy. Earlier this year he was being praised to the hilt by | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
Democrats. Absolutely. The timing is a nightmare for her. You described | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
the whole sequence. There is nothing definitive to doubt in this | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
sequence. All he is saying is he has discovered more e-mails in effect. | :06:59. | :07:05. | |
They are from the congressman's former wife. On Anthony Wiener's | :07:06. | :07:12. | |
laptop, which apparently she used sometimes. But what that shows is | :07:13. | :07:19. | |
that for all the scrutiny of modern politicians, they cannot escape | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
caricature. And as Tim was just saying, her weakness is perceived to | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
be secretive, elitism and complacency about that elitism. And | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
so just the announcement of a reopening of the investigation so | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
fuels that caricature, you have just revealed a poll giving her a 1% | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
lead. That must be related to what has happened. It is without a shred | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
of evidence that she has done anything wrong. You can see how | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
because people only see things encourage kids, that is deadly | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
serious. -- in caricature. An American friend of mine said we have | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
got our October surprise but we don't know what it is. The FBI must | :08:04. | :08:11. | |
surely come under massive pressure. It did its -- it did this against | :08:12. | :08:18. | |
the Justice Department. The difficulty the FBI had was that this | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
information, for what it's worth, it came to them. Were they not to have | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
said something and it worked to have come out later, they would have been | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
accused of a massive cover-up. They are dammed if they do, dammed if | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
they don't. There is still time for another surprise. And early November | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
surprise. Who knows if there might still be something that comes out on | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
Donald Trump? This is the first election where I can remember we | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
have had two October surprises already. There are is stuff about | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
tapes knocking around about Donald Trump saying racist things. The | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
Clintons have got a lot of friends. It would be a big surprise if we did | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
not see anything else in the next few days. | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
Just when you think it could not get more interesting, it has. There has | :09:05. | :09:10. | |
been plenty in the papers lately about the Ukip leadership saying | :09:11. | :09:11. | |
unpleasant things about each other. But what about Mr Farage himself? | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
What's he up to? Well, on BBC Two tonight we may | :09:16. | :09:17. | |
find out the answer. Well, I'm led to believe | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
she's very experienced. But I don't think Strictly Come | :09:21. | :09:26. | |
Dancing is for me. That is, unless, of course, | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
you fancy popping a cheeky zero No, I don't think Strictly | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
Come Dancing is for me. Well, you tell Mr Balls he has just | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
lost your programme one viewer. I might have nothing to do these | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
days but, realistically, Well, that wasn't Nigel Farage. It | :09:46. | :10:07. | |
is a BBC comedy on tonight. Nigel Farage gets his life back. A number | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
of runners and riders. Let's come straight down to it. Who would be | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
the next leader of Ukip? Probably Paul Nuttall. He is the favourite. | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
The one who has the backing, not very enthusiastic backing, is Rahim | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
Cassandra. And also Aaron Banks a big donor. The best of a rather weak | :10:29. | :10:39. | |
lot. I think Paul Nuttall should squeak through. I interviewed all | :10:40. | :10:50. | |
three of them this week. Mr Cassandra is a lively character and | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
he knows how to make a few headlines. With a bit of money | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
behind him, anything is possible. This is a guy who has been to the | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
States, who has literally studied what Trump has done. Pees on | :11:01. | :11:12. | |
secondment for the time being. The guy who is his line manager is one | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
of Donald Trump's campaign stop He is extraordinarily right-wing. I am | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
told he kept a picture of Enoch Powell by his bed. Barry Goldwater | :11:22. | :11:29. | |
is one of his heroes, for example. There are other candidates. I would | :11:30. | :11:37. | |
suggest, put out as a hypothesis, Paul Nuttall is Labour's worst | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
nightmare. They are more vulnerable in the North. Paul Nuttall is from | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
Merseyside, a working-class background, performs well on | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
television. He is a really good interviewee. He is one of the best | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
around in politics at the moment. However, I think whoever gets it has | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
a massive task. The clip of this Nigel Farage satire partly shows | :12:02. | :12:08. | |
why. His dominance was overwhelming. He, in many ways, did a brilliant | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
job at keeping the show on the road. The trouble for all new political | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
parties is keeping it going is tough. A very different party, the | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
SDP, with all those glamorous figures in it, lasted eight years, | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
something like that. I think they are in real trouble at the moment | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
because of the implosion we have been seeing in front of our eyes and | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
the ideal -- ideological splits Whoever gets it will face a tough | :12:36. | :12:45. | |
tussle. All three of the main contenders want to put Nigel Farage | :12:46. | :12:47. | |
in the House of Lords. They were falling over themselves to soak up | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
two farads. That is how you win this election. | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
Mr Aaron Banks, who is he putting his money on? He said he supports | :12:57. | :13:03. | |
Rahim. I know Mr Banks is utterly fed with the shenanigans in Ukip. He | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
thinks it is terribly disorganised, dysfunctional and doesn't want a | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
great deal to do with it for the foreseeable future. | :13:13. | :13:14. | |
It is not quite Trump the Clinton but it is interesting. That is it. | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
The Daily Politics is back tomorrow. And all of next week. Jo Coburn will | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
be your next Sunday because I am off to the United States to begin to | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
rehearse presenting the BBC's US election night coverage on the th | :13:30. | :13:36. | |
of November. It will be here on BBC One, BBC | :13:37. | :13:37. | |
world, BBC News Channel and BBC online. | :13:38. | :13:39. | |
Remember if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics. | :13:40. | :14:29. | |
He's a scientist, brilliant apparently. | :14:30. | :14:31. | |
But you may be bringing people over here who did things during the war. | :14:32. | :14:40. | |
I will not work for you. I will not work for the British Government | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
Let us not let the past haunt all of our actions. | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
You've got to do something! It's only you that can! | :14:50. | :14:53. |