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the shadow Welsh Secretary Owen Smith as Ed Miliband says he wants | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
to mend Labour's relationship with the unions - not end it - in the | :01:18. | :01:28. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2166 seconds | :01:28. | :37:35. | |
Wales we hear from the Health Minister at the end of a week he's | :37:35. | :37:39. | |
called historic and what's the future direction for farm subsidies. | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
But first, the Labour leader, Ed Miliband, says he wants to mend his | :37:43. | :37:45. | |
party's relationship with the unions, not end it, in the row | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
that's blown up about selecting a candidate in Falkirk. Labour have | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
called in the police to investigate alleged irregularities. The Unite | :37:54. | :37:57. | |
union has been accused of trying to pack the selection process with its | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
members which it has dismissed as a smear. Earlier, the former Labour | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
Minister Kim Howells said Labour couldn't be seen to be being fixed | :38:04. | :38:13. | |
by union bosses. I think it is a huge exaggeration | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
anyway, that it is very, very difficult for the unions to do that | :38:17. | :38:22. | |
kind of thing. Within the Labour Party, there is a resolution to stop | :38:22. | :38:28. | |
them doing it. Ed Miliband has to be seen to be above this and seem to be | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
completely in control of the party and he has to make sure it never | :38:31. | :38:34. | |
happens again. It will be a tough job but I think he is probably | :38:35. | :38:37. | |
capable. Joining me from our Cardiff newsroom | :38:37. | :38:42. | |
is the current MP for Pontypridd and shadow Welsh Secretary, Owen Smith. | :38:42. | :38:48. | |
Good morning. This story is not going away. It has been running for | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
more than a week. What damage is it doing to your party's chances of | :38:52. | :38:57. | |
winning the election in 2015? I think Kim Howells had it right a | :38:57. | :39:02. | |
minute ago. He said it was being blown out of proportion and it is an | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
exaggeration. I think the prospect this will have any real, meaningful | :39:05. | :39:10. | |
outcome on the election in 2015 is even more fanciful. Let's be clear. | :39:10. | :39:16. | |
We have a problem in Falkirk. That much is evident. I have not seen the | :39:16. | :39:21. | |
litigation report that has been handed to the police but Ed | :39:21. | :39:25. | |
Miliband. Decisively with this issue and has suspended the party and the | :39:25. | :39:30. | |
individuals responsible. He has now handed the matter over to the police | :39:30. | :39:33. | |
and I don't think we could have acted more properly or decisively | :39:33. | :39:36. | |
and if there were other instances for in Britain about this sort of | :39:36. | :39:40. | |
improper behaviour, we would act decisively about that as well. | :39:40. | :39:48. | |
But that would mean that damage hasn't been done? | :39:48. | :39:52. | |
I am telling you clearly that I don't think it will. Our opponents | :39:52. | :39:57. | |
will often help that it will force some in the party to make as do | :39:57. | :40:02. | |
something about our nature of the relationship with the unions. It is | :40:02. | :40:07. | |
one of the big strengths of the party it is rooted in communities | :40:07. | :40:13. | |
and real people's lives through the union movement and through our | :40:13. | :40:16. | |
attachment to the unions. The unions gave birth to the Labour Party, if | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
you like, and we don't intend to spoil a great relationship. | :40:20. | :40:27. | |
That relationship, I think, needs to change. We know that Ed Miliband has | :40:27. | :40:30. | |
called Ken Livingstone over the weekend to make sure the link | :40:30. | :40:34. | |
continues but in what form? I think it will continue in the | :40:34. | :40:38. | |
strong form at which it currently exists. We may need to have some | :40:38. | :40:43. | |
sort of reform in the nature of that relationship. Harriet Harman is | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
suggesting that perhaps one of the reforms would be selection procedure | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
so that we limit the amount of money anyone can spend on getting selected | :40:51. | :40:57. | |
in this seat. That would take out of the equation the prospect of people | :40:58. | :41:03. | |
having union many used to get them selected but in reality, selections | :41:03. | :41:06. | |
go on in the Labour Party all the time. Yesterday the Labour Party | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
selected a counsellor to be our prospective MP in the Vale of | :41:10. | :41:15. | |
Glamorgan. Last week the selected a teacher here in Cardiff to be our | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
respect and candidate for Cardiff North. That is the everyday, mundane | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
reality of selections in the Labour Party and it is fanciful to suggest | :41:23. | :41:29. | |
that Falkirks happen all over the place, all the time. It is not true. | :41:29. | :41:36. | |
Stay with us. Glyn Davies, Owen Smith suggested there that this | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
won't have any impact on the 2015 election campaign but it will if | :41:40. | :41:44. | |
your party has anything to do with it, will it? | :41:44. | :41:49. | |
Perhaps it is too soon to say what will happen in 2015. I don't think | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
anyone should let it lie. I don't think the Labour Party MPs should | :41:53. | :41:58. | |
let it lie. We have seen Labour Party MPs themselves being | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
incredibly worried about what is going on in Falkirk. I think Ed | :42:01. | :42:07. | |
Miliband was very slow out of the box to deal with this. There is an | :42:07. | :42:09. | |
element of orchestrating a row with the unions, I think, for electoral | :42:09. | :42:14. | |
purposes. Change the public view of the Labour Party. I think we all | :42:14. | :42:18. | |
want people to fight elections that are there because they are thought | :42:18. | :42:26. | |
to be the best people to carry the party flag. No doubt the Unite union | :42:26. | :42:31. | |
influence is that is far wider than anybody thought. | :42:31. | :42:37. | |
Dafydd Elis-Thomas, you were in the house in the 70s when the unions had | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
a tight grip on the Labour Party. What has changed since then? | :42:41. | :42:46. | |
And I then paid the political levy. I didn't get any money back towards | :42:46. | :42:53. | |
eight Plaid Cymru campaign in Dwyfor Meirionnydd. I see the relationship | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
between the unions and the political parties as essential to what happens | :42:57. | :43:02. | |
in democracy throughout Europe. In the mainland tradition, there are | :43:02. | :43:06. | |
different unions with different parties. I think we have to move to | :43:06. | :43:14. | |
a situation of greater primitivism and there should be more freedom for | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
trade union members and activists to be able to support different | :43:18. | :43:21. | |
political candidates in different situations and I don't think this | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
should be a monopoly for the Labour Party. What should not happen is | :43:25. | :43:28. | |
that trade union members should be automatically signed up into | :43:28. | :43:33. | |
membership of a political party. When Smith, Glyn Davies suggested | :43:33. | :43:38. | |
that Ed Miliband had been slow to react on this. Give us your | :43:38. | :43:44. | |
thoughts? Ed Miliband did what he always does. | :43:44. | :43:48. | |
He acts decisively. It has been a hallmark of his leadership and his | :43:48. | :43:53. | |
campaign for the leadership. We know there is a problem in Falkirk and we | :43:53. | :43:57. | |
looked at the evidence and Ed Miliband responded extremely | :43:57. | :44:00. | |
strongly and decisively. I don't think he could have done any more | :44:00. | :44:05. | |
and if there were incidences as well, I think he would respond | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
similarly strongly. The reality is that while the Tories may wish it, | :44:08. | :44:14. | |
it is not true and Falkirk does looks to me as a one-off incident | :44:14. | :44:19. | |
and we need to move forward and put this behind us and continue the | :44:19. | :44:21. | |
strong and powerful relationship between the Labour Party and trade | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
unions. Are you satisfied that your leader | :44:26. | :44:29. | |
has nipped it in the bud? Yes. | :44:29. | :44:32. | |
Thank you for joining us. The Agriculture Minister says he wants | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
to create a "transparent and fair" system of farming subsidies. Alun | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
Davies said payments had to strike a balance between supporting farmers | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
in different parts of Wales. He'll make a statement on reforms to the | :44:42. | :44:46. | |
EU's common agricultural policy this week. It comes after hill farmers | :44:46. | :44:48. | |
lost one of their subsidies this year and criticised the Welsh | :44:48. | :44:52. | |
Government's response to the heavy snow that fell in the spring. Daniel | :44:52. | :45:00. | |
Davies reports. Summer is here and the cold winter | :45:00. | :45:08. | |
seems to be a distant memory but for this farmer who farms the hills | :45:08. | :45:13. | |
overlooking the Romney Valley on the back of the neck and becomes -- in | :45:13. | :45:16. | |
the Brecon Beacons, it looks like a harsh winter. | :45:16. | :45:20. | |
We won't see that until the sales are completed in the autumn but | :45:20. | :45:25. | |
because of the weather, we have a lesser product to sell because the | :45:25. | :45:30. | |
winter took it told. As the snow fell, costs rose. This | :45:30. | :45:34. | |
was the scene on another farm in North Wales. Farmers appealed for | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
help while their sheep and lambs died but they weren't happy with the | :45:38. | :45:44. | |
response they got. Upland pharmacy to get the cheque at | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
the start of spring called Tir Mynydd. It was a subsidy under the | :45:47. | :45:51. | |
common agricultural policy. The Welsh government has changed system | :45:51. | :45:57. | |
and this year there was no Tir Mynydd payment. Farmers say that | :45:57. | :46:01. | |
happened at the worst possible time. It is now, following the winter, it | :46:01. | :46:05. | |
has not arrived. We have had an extreme weather pattern which | :46:05. | :46:11. | |
obviously affected us. You look back and you think, that money hasn't | :46:11. | :46:18. | |
paid the bills that they've normally do but we have also got extra ones | :46:18. | :46:22. | |
because of the winter. The farming Minister, Alun Davies, | :46:22. | :46:27. | |
relaxed the rules so farmers could bury livestock. He made sure another | :46:27. | :46:32. | |
subsidy was paid early but it wasn't enough, say the farming unions. Hill | :46:32. | :46:36. | |
farmers in other parts of the UK still got their payments. If their | :46:36. | :46:41. | |
farms were on less favoured areas. What farmers say that has put them | :46:41. | :46:47. | |
at a disadvantage but ministers are resolute and say most farmers get a | :46:47. | :46:51. | |
good deal from the Welsh government. Mr Davies is now signalling more | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
changes on the way for farming subsidies. Last month, EU | :46:55. | :46:59. | |
negotiators agreed reforms to the common agricultural policy. The | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
Minister will make a statement on it this week and says it will start a | :47:03. | :47:08. | |
process of designing a new payment system that he calls transparent and | :47:08. | :47:11. | |
fair. Whatever system we have, we want to | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
minimise the winners and losers to minimise the disruption. We want to | :47:15. | :47:19. | |
ensure that the payment system we have in Wales maintains the | :47:19. | :47:23. | |
integrity in the rural economy and we want to see a payment system that | :47:23. | :47:29. | |
ensures that there are payments to our most pride of communities in | :47:29. | :47:32. | |
Upland Wales so they secure the future and develop the business of | :47:32. | :47:37. | |
agriculture whilst at the same time, not undermining the economic | :47:37. | :47:43. | |
integrity of people who are farming in the low lands of Wales as well. | :47:43. | :47:46. | |
Mr Davies has traded blows over the fate of farming with his opponents | :47:46. | :47:48. | |
in the Assembly. They are waiting for his next move. | :47:48. | :47:52. | |
We need clarity from the minister about what he intends to do about | :47:52. | :47:56. | |
the situation. If he feels they have got it wrong in 2013, they need to | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
admit that and they need to come forward quickly with an alternative | :48:00. | :48:03. | |
plan. As he said, farms and businesses need stability and they | :48:03. | :48:07. | |
need to be able to plan. Without clear direction from the Welsh | :48:08. | :48:11. | |
government about what support is available, I fear that for some | :48:11. | :48:16. | |
businesses, it may be too late. Agriculture employs 15,000 people in | :48:16. | :48:20. | |
Wales and makes up around 1% of the economy. This did Davies says he | :48:20. | :48:24. | |
wants the industry to stand on its feet instead of relying so heavily | :48:24. | :48:29. | |
on subsidies. Farmers may well agree but that has done nothing to soothe | :48:29. | :48:34. | |
their prickly relationship with the Welsh government. | :48:34. | :48:37. | |
Dafydd Elis-Thomas, there is a suggestion that the relationship | :48:37. | :48:40. | |
between the Welsh government and farmers is not great as a result of | :48:40. | :48:45. | |
the poor weather. The Minister suggests that he proposes | :48:45. | :48:48. | |
transparent and fair payments, will that do anything to get the farmers | :48:48. | :48:51. | |
back onside? It is not as bad as the relationship | :48:51. | :48:57. | |
with the UK farming Minister and the NFU in England. What will happen | :48:57. | :49:03. | |
here now is that the minister has to respond to the agreement we have | :49:03. | :49:07. | |
got. Huge condiment to the Irish president in the European Union for | :49:07. | :49:11. | |
having done that in the last six months. What is important now is | :49:12. | :49:15. | |
whatever is established in Wales relates to and fits into that. The | :49:15. | :49:21. | |
Tir Mynydd payment was abolished by a previous minister in the | :49:21. | :49:24. | |
government, Alan Jones. The reason for that is it was not compliant | :49:24. | :49:29. | |
with the way we saw the European policy progressing. There are issues | :49:29. | :49:33. | |
about how the payments are transferred between the direct | :49:33. | :49:39. | |
subsidy payments and those that go to other aspects of policy. There is | :49:39. | :49:42. | |
the green direction. I was relieved to hear the minister said just now | :49:42. | :49:46. | |
that he did not want to complicated things and create hardship. That is | :49:46. | :49:52. | |
a signal to me that he is going to use the cut-off point, which is 60% | :49:52. | :49:57. | |
of the average payment in Wales, to maintain or farming incomes at that | :49:57. | :50:06. | |
level. I look forward to the statement on Tuesday. | :50:06. | :50:08. | |
Politicians are experts at Reading between the lines. What did you take | :50:08. | :50:13. | |
from what he just said? I welcome what I heard Alun Davies | :50:13. | :50:17. | |
saying. He intends to strike a better balance than we have now | :50:17. | :50:21. | |
between Upland farming and lowland farming, which I think is right. We | :50:21. | :50:25. | |
will have to wait and see the detail of that but what we have now is a | :50:25. | :50:31. | |
significant debate about how we fit in the CAP agreement. That is going | :50:31. | :50:35. | |
to be quite an issue in England, I must say. I have meetings lined up | :50:35. | :50:38. | |
with the NFU and the Minister to talk this through in England because | :50:38. | :50:42. | |
we are going through a period of potential significant change. | :50:42. | :50:47. | |
We know the relationship. We saw some farmers talking about a meeting | :50:47. | :50:52. | |
they held with Alun Davies. They didn't storm out, they walked | :50:52. | :50:55. | |
out in orderly fashion. I was chairing the meeting. | :50:55. | :51:02. | |
They left the meeting, didn't they? Actually, they came back. | :51:02. | :51:05. | |
There was an issue and I try not to comment about whatever happens in | :51:05. | :51:08. | |
the Assembly, really, but I do sometimes. | :51:08. | :51:18. | |
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This was in Allah. -- Bala. The farmers had gone through a | :51:23. | :51:28. | |
traumatic period and I think there was a lack of understanding. | :51:28. | :51:32. | |
Can we see his interview with us and possibly a statement on Tuesday as | :51:32. | :51:37. | |
an olive branch? I think there have been discussions | :51:37. | :51:41. | |
and will be ongoing discussions with the farming unions and the list and | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
officials. There are, within the European union, there are these | :51:44. | :51:49. | |
areas of natural constraint which are part of the new CAP structure | :51:49. | :51:54. | |
and I hope if we see what we think we saw this winter or this early | :51:54. | :51:59. | |
spring, really, the effect of climate change, then we have to look | :51:59. | :52:04. | |
at the whole way in which we have been running on the hills with a | :52:04. | :52:09. | |
traditional Welsh mountain sheep. If that is the outcome, then obviously | :52:09. | :52:15. | |
we have to keep the business going. We export 95% of Welsh lamb and that | :52:15. | :52:17. | |
is a brilliant thing for a small country to do. | :52:17. | :52:23. | |
He wanted to come in? I don't think last winter was, it | :52:23. | :52:26. | |
was a serious winter and there was an issue when the snowfall was late | :52:26. | :52:32. | |
which caused, on top of other issues, problems. I was farming in | :52:32. | :52:36. | |
1953 and we had a snowstorm that lasted for six or eight weeks and it | :52:36. | :52:40. | |
was far colder. I was up for a fortnight, digging sheep out. It | :52:40. | :52:44. | |
isn't something unique and it may happen again in the future. | :52:44. | :52:49. | |
Thank you. The NHS qualified for its bus pass this week - free bus pass | :52:49. | :52:52. | |
in Wales, of course - celebrating 65 years on Friday. The Health Minister | :52:52. | :52:55. | |
was in Ebbw Vale to celebrate the milestone at the Aneurin Bevan | :52:55. | :52:58. | |
stones in memory of the man who established the National Health | :52:58. | :53:03. | |
Service back in 1948. A good time to speak to the man in | :53:03. | :53:07. | |
charge of the NHS at the end of what many have described as an historic | :53:07. | :53:13. | |
week in Welsh politics. Roger, the core of the organ donation Bill, I | :53:13. | :53:18. | |
think, are some of the values that were there at the very beginning of | :53:18. | :53:22. | |
the NHS. People are willing to contribute to people who they will | :53:22. | :53:26. | |
never meet and never know but whose lives will be connected for ever as | :53:26. | :53:31. | |
a result of the gift of an organ and the NHS is just that gift | :53:31. | :53:36. | |
relationship writ large. That was the week that has been. We | :53:36. | :53:40. | |
know politics moves quickly. Looking ahead to the week ahead, you are | :53:40. | :53:48. | |
going to hand before the -- stand before the Thanet and talk about the | :53:48. | :53:54. | |
mid Staffordshire health trust. What have you learned from the report? | :53:54. | :53:58. | |
The first thing we learned was not to believe that what went on in mid | :53:58. | :54:01. | |
Staffordshire could not happen in Wales. That is my starting point. We | :54:01. | :54:08. | |
have to take that reports deviously -- report seriously and we have to | :54:08. | :54:12. | |
say that there are some dealt into the NHS in Wales that make what | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
happened in mid Staffordshire less likely but it still could happen in | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
some places and therefore, we need to make sure that we do everything | :54:20. | :54:23. | |
we can to try and prevent that from happening. | :54:23. | :54:28. | |
In his written response to the crisis at Stafford Hospital, the | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
Welsh government recognises it must do more to prevent unnecessary | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
suffering and in some cases, potentially avoidable deaths in the | :54:34. | :54:40. | |
Welsh NHS. I want to be clear that I think the | :54:40. | :54:45. | |
culture across the Welsh NHS is one of care and compassion. Most people | :54:45. | :54:50. | |
who use it are treated with dignity and respect. In the small places and | :54:50. | :54:54. | |
the small instances where that doesn't take place, we have to learn | :54:54. | :54:57. | |
from that and put those things right. | :54:57. | :55:02. | |
Glyn Davies, an honest assessment from Mark Drakeford, there, | :55:02. | :55:05. | |
suggesting there is always room for improvement but it is not just the | :55:05. | :55:09. | |
NHS in Wales that will be responding to this report, is it? | :55:09. | :55:14. | |
There have been responses already to what happened in mid Staffordshire | :55:14. | :55:18. | |
and Morecambe. There are a number of examples of quite shocking examples | :55:18. | :55:23. | |
of mistreatment in the NHS. I think what is good, listening to Mark | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
Drakeford and Jeremy Hunt in Westminster, is now there is a | :55:26. | :55:30. | |
willingness to speak openly about the failings and successes of the | :55:30. | :55:34. | |
NHS. Dafydd Elis-Thomas, I am sure you | :55:34. | :55:38. | |
will be hearing the response in the chamber. There is a report that the | :55:38. | :55:43. | |
government has published that suggest it's possible there will be | :55:43. | :55:47. | |
legislation that stems from it, that's just the Welsh government | :55:47. | :55:51. | |
really is taking on board what the Francis report says. | :55:51. | :55:56. | |
I think they have to and we have to respond. We already have a piece of | :55:56. | :55:59. | |
legislation on integrated health and social care which is going through | :55:59. | :56:03. | |
now and I am keen to see the issues that are exposed in North Wales in | :56:03. | :56:07. | |
this matter, being addressed. I have complete faith in Mark Drakeford as | :56:07. | :56:14. | |
a minister because I believe he has an integrity about him and a | :56:14. | :56:16. | |
knowledge of both health and social care that will enable him to take | :56:16. | :56:19. | |
this on. That is as looking forward. Let's | :56:19. | :56:25. | |
look back. Mark Drakeford described the vote in the debate over the | :56:25. | :56:31. | |
organ donation system that we propose, as historic. Do you agree? | :56:31. | :56:36. | |
Yes. I was extremely proud of that. I remember talking to the British | :56:36. | :56:39. | |
Medical Association long before we had lawmaking powers about what we | :56:39. | :56:45. | |
could do and they were keen on doing this. I was so pleased on the night | :56:45. | :56:49. | |
that we got a strong, free vote across parties that meant that we | :56:49. | :56:54. | |
have a system that is based on citizenship in Wales including the | :56:54. | :56:57. | |
sharing of organ donation and I think that is a fine time of the | :56:57. | :57:01. | |
kind of country we are. That is not your take on it, is it? | :57:01. | :57:07. | |
I defend the right of the Assembly to do what it thinks is right for | :57:07. | :57:11. | |
Wales. I am a huge champion of organ donation but I don't think this will | :57:11. | :57:14. | |
make any significant difference and I think it is a mistake. I'm | :57:14. | :57:18. | |
interested in seeing what difference it will make to UK organ donation | :57:18. | :57:22. | |
and I think it will be negative but I defend the rights of the Assembly | :57:22. | :57:26. | |
to do what I disapprove of. That's what I like to hear! | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
There is just time for a quick look back at some of the political | :57:29. | :57:39. | |
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crime commission said he would not resign after an MP said he should | :57:46. | :57:51. | |
reflect on his position. Last month, Mr Johnson admitted forcing out the | :57:51. | :57:55. | |
Chief Constable, Carmel Napier, but she and Mr Johnston appeared before | :57:55. | :58:01. | |
the home affairs committee of MPs to give their versions of events. | :58:01. | :58:06. | |
You get any p, John Bufton, said he was still opposed to devolution to | :58:06. | :58:12. | |
despite Nigel for much saying he was relaxed about the idea. And for more | :58:12. | :58:18. | |
parties selected candidates for the Ynys Mon by-election. Nathan Gale is | :58:18. | :58:26. | |
standing, the Conservatives selected the fell and the Liberal Democrat | :58:26. | :58:29. | |
candidate is Steve Churchman. Catherine Jones is standing for the | :58:29. | :58:32. | |
Socialist Labour Party. And Carwyn Jones lead congratulations to the | :58:32. | :58:38. | |
British and Irish Lions as they beat Australia 41-16 to secure a 2-1 win | :58:38. | :58:47. | |
in the test series. We mentioned the Ynys Mon | :58:47. | :58:52. | |
by-election. Plaid Cymru and Labour are fielding candidates to. I cannot | :58:52. | :58:57. | |
let this moment pass that making reference to your tie, Dafydd | :58:57. | :59:00. | |
Elis-Thomas. There is something the pair of you were discussing | :59:00. | :59:05. | |
regarding Warren Gatland. I have been wearing this tie every | :59:05. | :59:09. | |
match day. This is the Welsh Lion. I will keep wearing it until so Warren | :59:09. | :59:13. | |
Gatland and the rest of the team are properly recognised by British and | :59:13. | :59:21. | |
Irish and Welsh people. Is that a call for a knighthood? | :59:21. | :59:26. | |
So Warren Gatland, absolutely. I made a prophecy and it was right. So | :59:26. | :59:30. | |
Warren Gatland, definitely. In terms of a weekend for sport, I | :59:30. | :59:33. | |
was driving to work this morning and was reminded that Andy Murray is in | :59:33. | :59:38. | |
the final of Wimbledon. He managed to distract us, or the Lions managed | :59:38. | :59:41. | |
to distract us yesterday. Where did you watch it? | :59:41. | :59:46. | |
I mustn't mention Anglesey but I did watch it in a public house in | :59:46. | :59:51. | |
Anglesey and saw the end of it but it has been an amazing thing. Carlin | :59:51. | :59:55. | |
James was one of my mentors in life and he would have loved this. | :59:55. | :59:59. | |
I have watched it twice. I watched it live in the morning and the | :59:59. | :00:04. | |
beginning of the second half, I thought, here we go again! We had a | :00:04. | :00:09. | |
magnificent 20 minutes of rugby. Since I saw... | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
Don't forget the Wales Report on BBC One Wales after the 10:00pm news | :00:13. | :00:17. |