21/06/2014 The Papers

Saudi woman in Colchester say it is possible the killer carried out a

similar knife attack in the town three months before.

Welcome to look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow

with me tonight the writer and political commentator Joe Phillips,

and Nigel Nelson, political editor of the Sunday people. Tomorrow's

front pages, let's start with the mail, with the headline school boy

to jihadists, the mail on Sunday names one of the Britons it claims

to have appeared in and Ricky militant Isis video. The Sunday

Telegraph focuses on the case of two brothers ` Iraqi. You left the

British suburb to fight in Syria. The Independent on Sunday quotes MI6

which says 300 fighters from Syria already back in the UK. David

Cameron under fire according to the Sunday Times for his apparent

failure to stop Jean`Claude Juncker from becoming president of the

European Commission. The observer tells asked Lord Kinnock has offered

his support for the current Labour leader Ed Miliband. Finally 17

million of us are in line to receive compensation from airlines, for

delays and cancellations over the past six years. That is the claim in

an exclusive report in the Sunday express. Let's kick off with the

first of those. The Sunday Telegraph, the brilliant brothers

who left British suburb for Jihad. These are the two boys who

apparently appeared in the video that everyone has been talking about

that you have been covering. Their father as "eloquently across the

media today saying he is heartbroken. ` quite eloquently. It

would appear they are part of a wider network. This is really

worrying. We were talking about it, where do you get to the point where

you find the balance between frightening people and, obviously

there are all sorts of issues about not wanting to stir up any hatred.

That it is a real problem. As we come onto the papers in a moment we

will see there are more warnings coming from the former head of MI6

about the numbers of people who have come to Britain having gone out to

fight in Syria. In the wider area. It does seem to become a real

problem. Interestingly Lord Carlile who was the government 's former

anti`terrorism and Pfizer, who criticised the Home Office for

scrapping special orders to deal with terror suspects. `

anti`terrorism officer. It is the balance between civil liberties,

tracking terrorism, catching people. And asking the question of

why this happens. What is causing this? Is it disaffection or

brainwashing? Radicalisation? I don't go for the brain washing line

to much. Especially with these two lads. They are intelligent young

man. They had a great career before them. They were a grade students.

What makes them want to go out and and possibly, or probably get

killed. The radicalisation going on here is something we have to look

at. There are immediate things we could do. One thing that would help

Yewtree, they went to Turkey to get to Syria. ` hugely. The Turks need

to patrol their borders more carefully. When it comes down to why

these people want to go, we have to start in schools. The only way of

doing that, is for teachers to keep an eye out, for youngsters who are

going in that direction. Becoming radicalised. Once they have gone,

they will come back as trained killers. Then you get into the

Michael Gove area, and the Trojan horse schools. I'm not sure teaching

British values is quite the point. The issue there is to try to spot

people on their way to being radicalised. And what is going on.

You were talking a second ago about what the public can do. The idea is

if people understand just how dangerous these people are,

aware of. Who is around them what is going on, the only way to do that is

for the security services to be able to tell us a bit more about the

plots, 34 plants have been disrupted since seven slash seven, ` plots. A

bit more about what would've happened if those plots had come to

fruition. We have grown up watching things like spooks, you see films

like this, really chilling recruitment videos. It is very

fashioned barmaid and put together. But it looks like anything that

could be a video game. ` very flash and well`made. If you have a younger

brother watching something like that, you are not going to take much

notice, that there is this element of, you almost need to, not horrify

people, but say this is what happens. Does our generation, to

older generations talk successfully to teenagers? Do you think? Or is

there a generation problem? A lot of this is happening on social media.

Through technology. And the people who are trying to govern it, are

from a different generation. I'm the father of a teenager, and often

talking to him can be very difficult. He is not going out to

fight in Syria. This is a much more serious thing. People who are, lads

like this, who will come back and be perfectly happy to kill us. That is

a huge leap down the road. Talking their language, this comes down to

what the Muslim community does. It works in the mosques, the scores.

There are all sorts of ways of doing that. The first thing we have to do

is understand where these guys are coming from. `` the schools. It is

the same story on the front of the mail on Sunday, school boy to

jihadists. They have a photograph of calm and school in 2010. `: Khan.

His father has been speaking about it, it is absolutely, the father of

the other bloke, he looks like any kid. Where was the trigger? What

happened? Who did he meet? It is the awful thing, teenagers can become

very idealistic. There is nothing new in that. It is when it turns

into this sort of fanaticism and this terrible murderous fanaticism

that it becomes something appalling. The Independent on Sunday front

page, MI6 300 fighters from Syria now back in the UK. We are still in

that same fascinating space of, an extremely important story for our

society at the moment, but do we risk terrifying? People have to be,

not so much terrifying people, but people have to be aware. 911

happened, 77/7 happened, we know from recent history watched

terrorists are capable of. It is not a question of terrifying them. If

few years go by you stop thinking about it. It is that kind of thing,

that kind of awareness, not being terrified me go back to normal

business. They have one if you don't. What is important issue keep

your eyes and ears open and watch out for what is going on. `` they

have won. They are quoting a former terrorism chief at MI6. They are

saying 300 of these people are already back here. If you think of

these people are already back here. If you think about and to active

number of people who posed a risk worth 600. `` the IRA at its

height. They had already trained in warfare and explosives and weapons.

Back here now. They pose a threat to us. We have with us to people `2

people are well connected in the world of politics. Let's have a look

at the Sunday Times. Don't mention... Prime Minister 's failure

to curb the EU. This is one of those stories where it is incredibly

important to Westminster village but actively engaged the nation to get

excited about this? I can imagine you read here that in the breakfast

tables of the country tomorrow, it is important of course but it is

also incredibly dull and incredibly complicated. This is 54 of Britain's

leading businessmen who have written a letter to the Sunday Times which

is why they are leading with it on the front page, saying they're very

concerned by the government 's failure to protect UK from European

Union plans to tax the city and oppose new red tape. They are

forcing David Cameron, I think this is quite interesting. Ed Miliband

will come unto him in a minute, you is not having the best of weeks. We

will come onto him. David Cameron is taking won this battle about Mr

Juncker. You think why? David Cameron has got himself into a mess.

He has called a referendum in 2017, and in slash out referendum. He has

to come back with some kind of reforms in Europe. If Mr Juncker

gets the job and he's pretty certain to get its now, getting those

reforms will be much more difficult. David Cameron has now seen his other

referendum, the one he decided to call in Scotland, is not going as

easily as he thought. The same thing could happen here. We end up with no

Scotland, and out of the EU. We would be isolated. He is joined to

play as many last`ditch stand as he can. And he is beginning to look a

bit desperate. He is going to try to call a vote of the European Council

which is Europe's leaders, to see if they can block them. This is

unprecedented, I'm not sure what status a vote would have. He will

lose, nine of them have already come out in favour him. That makes you

even more week. The word desperate this right but life would be much

more difficult for him if Juncker does get the vote. You are both very

interested as well, Kinnock defends Labour leader against "vindictive"

agenda. A vindictive agenda, strong words. They are rather strong words.

Lord Kinnock as he is now, should know better than anybody what it is

like to have what he calls a hostile press. He had it in 1992. The point

she is making is making his, Ed Miliband has now become a victim of

a hostile press. `` he is making. The target of a hostile press. Not

quite a victim. I think he is a victim. You cannot blame the press

entirely for his poll ratings which are dire. Afflicted by a certain

extent by the media but they are not making him do stupid things like

having his photograph taken in the sun. That is ridiculous. When you

get into a hall and people see you, looking weak, `` a hole, unfortunate

photographs like that bacon sandwich video, everyone sneers and jokes,

everyone look stupid. It piles it on, press come, they can smell

blood. How much will Ed Miliband welcome Lord Kinnock 's backing?

They are friends and Neil Kinnock that for the leadership anyway.

Whether or not an intervention like this is actually helpful, I don't

think blaming the press, blaming the messenger. You'll Kinnock had a

rough time at the messenger. You'll Kinnock had a rough time and costs.

Doesn't like us very much. `` Neil Kinnock. We can understand that. ``

at the hands of the press. We are still focusing on Ed Miliband 's

problems, which he won't welcome. The idea he is weird, he's not

weird, he can be Prime Minister. Pupils at the moment show he is

likely to be by Minister, `` the likely to be by Minister, `` the

polls. He needs to do a bit about his personal ratings. Thank you for

joining us. More on that later. We should mention major refit photo on

the front of the Observer of Andy Murray meeting Rufus the Hawk. We

will explain more as it comes. That is it for the papers for this hour.

You will both be back at 11:30pm for another whizz through the stories

making the news tomorrow. Stay with us, at 11pm we will bring you the

latest as new details emerge about British man filmed in an apparent to

had it video posted online. `` jihadist.