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matches and the snooker in York, where there was a real humdinger | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
between two former world champions. That is all in Sportsday, in 15 | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
minutes, after the Papers. Hello and welcome to | :00:00. | :00:13. | |
our look ahead to what the papers With me are guests, | :00:14. | :00:15. | |
the Times columnist Matthew Syed, and Melanie Eusebe, professor | :00:16. | :00:19. | |
at the Hult Business School. The Times leads with news that | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
so called Islamic State fighters have captured large parts | :00:25. | :00:26. | |
of eastern Afghanistan. And Melanie is a fan of the word | :00:27. | :00:34. | |
humdinger. Everytime he says that it makes me giggle! | :00:35. | :00:47. | |
The conviction of Maoist cult leader Aravindan | :00:48. | :00:48. | |
The same story dominates the Mirror's front page, | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
focusing on the dramatic testimony from Balakrishnan's daughter. | :00:53. | :01:11. | |
He was found guilty of rape, sexual assault, false imprisonment and the | :01:12. | :01:18. | |
thing for me which is most shocking is it in brick -- Brixton, this | :01:19. | :01:26. | |
communist collective was in Brixton, one of the bigger cities in the | :01:27. | :01:31. | |
world, and this woman grew up for 30 years, no school, no doctors, no | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
dentist is, no friends, no money. So now he has been convicted of these | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
heinous crimes. I can't imagine her pain. It is remarkable, isn't it? At | :01:43. | :01:48. | |
the heart of the city this can happen. The other astonishing | :01:49. | :01:51. | |
element of this is her own testimony, and her forgiveness. That | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
is an extraordinarily powerful thing. When you consider the pain | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
that she has endured at the hands of this sadistic egomaniac, and that | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
she was completely under the orbit of his control. If you leave the | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
house you are going to get struck by lightning. She had no access to | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
external information so she could form an independent view of the | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
world, and yet in the last two years it seemed she has made an incredible | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
recovery. She is building her emotional resilience, she according | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
to the social workers is capable of living an independent life pretty | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
soon, and that forgiveness, that understanding. She quotes Nelson | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
Mandela that if she carries that even as she is still in prison. And | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
she wants to find some reconciliation with the man that was | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
so abusive towards her. That is about the power of mind control, and | :02:42. | :02:42. | |
I am so pleased that about the power of mind control, and | :02:43. | :02:49. | |
I am so pleased he has been caught and will be punished. It raises the | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
question of how this can happen in the middle of the city, and in a | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
sense of why didn't someone notice? They didn't notice, and she wasn't | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
exposed to that outside world. Looking at her diaries and her diary | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
entries, she was seen as a project by him. She was one of our rota. So | :03:08. | :03:13. | |
there was no exposure to that parental love, and on top of that | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
you don't have friends, you don't have that infrastructure where you | :03:18. | :03:20. | |
have the checks and balances. There are no doctors or dentists checking | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
full ruses, there is no friends, there is no money to spend -- | :03:26. | :03:32. | |
checking for bruises. It is absolutely shocking that it can | :03:33. | :03:34. | |
happen in a regular house in South London. Incredible stuff, and if you | :03:35. | :03:41. | |
do get a chance to see Tom Sutton's interview with the daughter it is | :03:42. | :03:46. | |
very compelling. The Independent has a fascinating story. Sharia courts, | :03:47. | :03:53. | |
the inside story. The world we very rarely see inside. Can I get both of | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
your thoughts on this? What do you make of this lead an independent? | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
Well, I am trying to have a balanced the spec if -- lead in the | :04:03. | :04:10. | |
Independent. I'm not sure that the research has come at this from a | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
balanced perspective. Essentially they were able to spend 15 hours | :04:15. | :04:20. | |
attending hearings at the is Islamic Sharia Council in Leighton as well | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
as the Birmingham Central Mosque. Through looking at these cases what | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
she has determined as there are essentially two separate legal | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
orders. There is the law as we know it, and then there are the Sharia | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
courts operating under the shadow of the law, more based on the Koranic | :04:36. | :04:45. | |
laws than your classic British law. So yes, that is my balanced overview | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
of what she is saying in this story. So we have discharged the | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
balanced bet. There is more you want to say about this. You have doubts | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
about this. There is 15 hours of research, you don't think that's | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
enough? I don't think that's enough. I think when you are | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
delving... Again, I want to preface this by saying that I am a feminist, | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
everyone who does mean is that I am feminist so stories like this | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
automatically get my goat. I think oh my goodness, why are these Sharia | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
courts in Britain locking women into marital captivity and doing nothing | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
to report domestic violence? On the other hand I do think there was a | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
lack of sensitivity somewhat in terms of the reporting of this | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
story. And I think that... You know, we have to be very, very careful to | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
recognise the intersection Audi of these women, to recognise that not | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
only are they women, but they are also women of a particular race and | :05:41. | :05:47. | |
at ethnicity, culture and of course religion -- intersectionality. The | :05:48. | :05:50. | |
story can come across as slightly a white woman from the outside coming | :05:51. | :05:53. | |
in and just saving the world and not quite reflect in all of the | :05:54. | :06:00. | |
dimensions of this story. Matthew, I know you come at this from a | :06:01. | :06:03. | |
slightly different angle. I suppose I should preface this by saying | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
there will be those who look at this and say there is British law, that's | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
it. The problem here is religious authority. If a woman is being | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
abused and she goes to a judge in a Sharia Court who says you should | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
stay with your husband because that is what the Koran says, she has the | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
right to go to a British court to say she wants to get out of this | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
marriage and that will be executed by the court. The problem is that | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
they feel under a moral obligation to obey the strictures of the judge | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
because they have a religious duty to do so because they are vested | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
with religious truth. That is the problem here, and when it comes to | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
cultural sensitivity, if somebody feels that they can't do what is in | :06:42. | :06:43. | |
their interest because they are going to be going against religion, | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
I don't think that there is a sensitivity issue. That is just a | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
moral precept, to me. That is a bad thing. And I would like to see the | :06:52. | :06:57. | |
root cause of this religion being superseded by rationality, science | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
and evidence, and making a moral judgement on the basis of the issues | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
rather than some cultural or religious norm that is holding women | :07:04. | :07:11. | |
back. Is there a feeling, Melanie, that the papers become too hidebound | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
insensitivity and don't see the truth? I don't think the papers can | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
be accused of being too hidebound insensitivity! I rarely posed that | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
question. I have never seen that happen. -- they are not open, but | :07:24. | :07:38. | |
the Rudd people who do speak out on it. -- there are people. I think | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
even if she had shared the perspective with one of those people | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
than it wouldn't have looked quite so wrong. And it is very stark. It | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
is not explaining the full... It doesn't even... In one hand she is | :07:53. | :07:55. | |
not even respecting these women are separate entities to say, you know | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
what? They want to follow the Koran, they want to follow the | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
rulings of Islamic scholars. This is a choice by them, so there are | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
things that we have two... She is not seeing them as independent agent | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
at all. So again, she is not recognising the intersectionality. | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
That is the tragedy of this. They are exercising the choice to go on | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
with the assertions of a judge has found out by an independent scholar | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
with more time and access to these courts than almost anybody in | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
history. The tragedy as they are choosing not to leave because that | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
is what the religion is telling them to do. I think that is a major | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
problem. I don't think that is a positive thing, I think that is a | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
bad thing. She is a self-declared atheist. At least bring in another | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
perspective, someone who actually believes. It makes absolutely no | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
sense to me. To another contentious point, on the front of the | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
Telegraph, there are a few things but notably Brexit, and the Prime | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
Minister's latest thoughts on this. If ever there is a running topic it | :08:59. | :09:04. | |
is this one, isn't it? Yes, and the Telegraph as saying that Downing | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
Street officials are now saying that there is only marginally better than | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
a 50% chance of Cameron campaigning to stay in the EU because he is | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
fearful that he is not going to get some of the reforms he is asking for | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
from his fellow European leaders. Now remember, this is a tactical | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
battle. In other words, he wants to raise the stakes. We are going to | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
leave, it is a 50% chance unless you change your mind. I would be very | :09:29. | :09:39. | |
surprised, even if Cameron doesn't get his way on migrant benefits, for | :09:40. | :09:42. | |
him to campaign to leave the EU. Because he must know that EU and | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
other migrants are net contributors to the Exchequer, that they add to | :09:46. | :09:47. | |
economic activity. I suspect this is a gambit, a tactical move. Is this | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
an economic or political debate? The two may not come together. In order | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
to get what he wants from the EU is going to raise the level of | :09:57. | :09:59. | |
probability in their minds that we might leave. I agree there is a | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
political issue about sovereignty as well but ultimately I think it is in | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
our interests to be in from a political and economic perspective. | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
It was quite surprising because usually Angela Merkel and the Prime | :10:13. | :10:19. | |
Minister's closest allies indicate that, and she has made it very clear | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
that she opposes this plan for the denying of in work and efforts to EU | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
migrants. So we will see how this goes because I do think that with | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
the push out of the referendum there are going to be several | :10:35. | :10:36. | |
ramifications that come out of that, not just kind of Britain's exit from | :10:37. | :10:45. | |
the euro. Now, in the FT, an intriguing story about Wetherspoons | :10:46. | :10:56. | |
in the FT. We have heard a few hacks over the years. This is an unlikely | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
one. For several reasons. I am surprised that we haven't... | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
Probably because of all the other things that have gone on this week | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
it has slipped to the bottom of the list. So Wetherspoons, one of the | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
biggest pub groups in the UK, has suffered an attack. 656,723 | :11:15. | :11:25. | |
customers. So that is four times as much as the TalkTalk hack in | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
October. I remember the day when we were doing the news here TalkTalk | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
was all over the papers, however this has affected four times as much | :11:33. | :11:35. | |
and is actually down at the bottom. That is not the funniest part about | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
it. The funniest part is that they received an e-mail. So the Chief | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
Executive receives an e-mail saying you have been hacked. And then the | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
spam filters, the company's spam filters catch it. So they receive an | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
e-mail on six November and it is only that the Financial Times had to | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
go back and reported to them, and tell them that you have been hacked, | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
you received this e-mail. That is quite funny. That has got to be the | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
definition of technological irony, when your security prevents you | :12:05. | :12:10. | |
learning you have been hacked. It makes us realise we are all quite | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
vulnerable. I worry about my capacity to protect my own | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
information. When you give your information to a big corporate that | :12:20. | :12:22. | |
are super sophisticated and have teams in quitting your information | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
but they are still had, that worries me even more. But it is an arms | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
race, isn't it? Between the security people who want to sell their | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
software at the protect the information on the hackers were just | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
a sophisticated. And this is a story that is just going to keep going. I | :12:39. | :12:41. | |
don't think it will ever go away. There is not going to be a silver | :12:42. | :12:46. | |
bullet that stops hacking. I didn't even know you could buy from | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
Wetherspoons online. TalkTalk I kind of understood. I think it was to be | :12:52. | :12:54. | |
with people who had bought online vouchers. There we are. No one is | :12:55. | :13:04. | |
safe. I'm not sure how many people buy online vouchers. 656,723. When | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
they first announced that it was about 100 so somewhere along the | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
line it has got a lot bigger. Going back to the Telegraph, plastic bags. | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
Who wants to kick us off on plastic bags? Do you have a strong opinion | :13:19. | :13:25. | |
on this one? I love a stick, I love the charge on plastic bags. And so | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
the story is fantastic. What it is it is saying is, results are in, | :13:30. | :13:32. | |
especially from focusing on Tesco. The 5p charge cuts shoppers' plastic | :13:33. | :13:41. | |
bag used by four fifths. In less than two months, Tesco customers | :13:42. | :13:44. | |
used 78% fewer plastic bags. We've got a minute left. The plight | :13:45. | :14:08. | |
of Kenneth Women's. The diarist to rival Papys. Rightly being compared | :14:09. | :14:18. | |
with Papys. -- Pepys. One of the lines read out was in walking | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
through London, a time when being out and being gay was very | :14:25. | :14:30. | |
difficult, surrounded by fans and admirers and yet feeling desperately | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
lonely. It is a cliche, the mask of the comedian and the loneliness | :14:36. | :14:41. | |
within, and he articulate it with an acuteness that is devastating. For | :14:42. | :14:43. | |
those who have never read them, they are extraordinary pieces of | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
literature. We are out of time. It was a humdinger. Humdinger! Great | :14:48. | :14:54. | |
word. Thank you both for your company. That is it for the papers. | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
Coming up next, | :14:59. | :14:59. |