19/06/2016 The Papers

Now on BBC News, here's Gavin with The Papers.

Hello and welcome to our Sunday morning edition of The Papers.

With me are broadcaster Yasmin Alibhai-Brown

The Mail on Sunday leads on the court appearance of the man

charged with the murder of Labour MP Jo Cox.

The Sunday Telegraph shows a picture of Jo Cox's parents visiting

the floral tributes close to where their daughter was killed.

Its main story is an interview with Michael Gove who rejects claims

that voting to leave the EU will cause a recession.

The Observer also leads on the EU Referendum -

with a poll commissioned for the paper reporting that both

Remain and Leave camps are "locked in a dramatic dead heat" ahead

The Sunday Times has an interview with David Cameron,

who calls a vote to leave the EU a "one-way ticket" -

the paper says another poll claims the Remain camp has edged

It shows a picture of British astronaut Tim Peake,

who has returned to earth after six months in space.

And The Independent bills its lead story as an exclusive.

It says weapons and explosives stored at a safe house in Belgium,

with the intention of being used by terrorists during Euro 2016,

Let's begin with Jo Cox, the family's tribute on the front page

of the Telegraph. Quote, we know there are some evil people in this

world but a lot of good people, too. It is one of the striking things

about this horrific event, how forgiving the family appear to be

and how they are concerned... I don't know if they are forgiving,

but what they are is, in a way what they are saying is, this doesn't

defeat us all what Jo stood for. They must be breaking inside. The

sister said, we are broken. But I think they feel, and they are quite

right, I do admire the native British for the way they can handle

themselves in these crises. I come from a culture where we would be

wailing loudly for days, and I think it is important to show not that

they weren't broken but that they were going to carry on. I just

thought the father, at 1.I thought he was going to cry... He was

looking at the flowers, wasn't he? Again and again they keep saying, Jo

was a half glass -- glass half full person will stop she did some work

in some terrible places, like Garforth. But she kept this optimism

and I think that is the things people want to hold onto -- like

Darfur. When her sister Kim gave the eulogy, so composed, but I thought

they were getting great consolation and support from the people around.

When they saw the flowers, I thought the father was going to break then

because he was touched by people's affection and love for her, which of

course was what he felt, but I think they got some consolation from

knowing that people thought very, very highly of her and had genuine

affection for an MP who worked for themselves loosely. Watching, the

other thing I thought was they were extraordinary but also very

ordinary, they could be the people next door. Absolutely, and she

related, whether it was the old Muslim by all the traditional

working-class people, there were no boundaries all barriers to her and I

remember at the 50th birthday party when she was there, a mutual friend,

she was heavily pregnant, and she didn't get off the dance floor and I

thought, we all were read she would drop this thing! She was a good

Yorkshire lass! She was tough. Politics has restarted today, let's

cover that. The Telegraph, Michael Gove, except when it cause a

recession, Britain will prosper. Like a lot of this stuff, who knows,

but what do you think? This onslaught of Project Fear on the

economy from the IMF, OCD, IFF, the Treasury, but the truth is I think

if there is a Brexit vote on Thursday, which then maybe, who

knows, there will be some shenanigans in the markets, I have

little doubt, but it will be two or three years before we leave and in

that time we would negotiate new trade relationships, pretty certain,

with the EU and I think I'd would continue and after that we can have

our own trade details so I am with Michael Gove, I don't think a Brexit

vote would cause a recession at all and longer term I think our economic

prospects would be better. Yasmin? Never trust an economist! They have

got it wrong again and again and again! I am not going to trust

roots, she is an economist! Morally worse than being a journalist!

Michael Gove has never been in a position to run our economy or any

other, to be this blase. This Project Fear thing is questionable,

too, because the other side has been quitting up the biggest beer of all

about immigration. -- whipping up. I'm not an economist, I will give

you that, but you have got it wrong, economists have not been good for

us! There is this thing that we don't know, nobody knows what is

going to happen. There is no reason for recession because trade will

continue. What happens if it doesn't? Can I come to your door

with a demonstration saying, you said nothing would happen?! Yes, you

can! I would lock your door just in case!

The Sunday Times has got, not the opposite story but maybe this is

something you might agree on, no turning back, warns David Cameron.

In other words, if we vote Out, we are out. People talk about a second

referendum if there is a Brexit vote on Thursday, go back to the European

Commission, talk about wee negotiation, I think it is a

nonstarter. Cameron tried. This is about a background of the polls

showing a shift towards the Remain side, I wonder if it is the sympathy

vote for Jo Cox. I know we will talk about the Observer as well but I

thought it was interesting. But he is right, this is Out. He's also

right when he says, when you have jumped out of the aeroplane, quote,

you cannot scramble back through the door. This is one of the problems

with this, once this incredibly big, important decision has been made,

those people who may suffer the most are people at the bottom who have no

say, in someways, and probably won't go out to vote, sadly, and it will

be too late to do anything else. It is all very well to talk about the

trade deals being fantastic in Australia or rubber but in the

interim years as huge uncertainty will prevail. With the ERM there was

lots of uncertainty but the economy thrived so I don't buy all of

uncertainty stuff. We just want to believe what we want to believe.

You're Project Fear on the economy, let's be frank about this. I just

don't want economists to talk about it, that is all! Let's not be

horrible about economist any more! Let's move on, Mail On Sunday, lots

of interesting things in the Mail On Sunday this week, one is Jo Cox,

words that she wrote just four days before she was killed, exclusive,

don't fall for Leave's spin, I back the Prime Minister's plan to curb EU

migrants. Do you think that perhaps Jo Cox has

changed a bit the nature of this campaign, the shock everybody feels?

I don't know, I think people might have changed for other reasons but

it certainly has shocked the nation. I really want people to think about

this and not lay stupid blame on one side or the other. But the country

feels like a very openly and unpleasant country on the moment --

at the moment if they think you are an outsider, which includes people

like me, I have had texts and e-mails, I was shivering with,

children who look foreign being assaulted, racism has broken out of

the sewer was a bit -- I was showing roof. We always think the hard right

is out there in Germany, Poland, so on, but we have a very strong hard

right and I think people have begun to look at the country we are

becoming, and a good thing, too, because actually I want us to be the

country we were during the Olympics. I don't like the way the immigration

issue has been so dominant, to be honest, in this campaign. Looking at

this, obviously I don't agree with what she's saying, it seems

discourteous to disagree with somebody who cannot answer back, but

the truth is if we don't leave the single market we cannot control

migration from the EU, and that, for a lot of people in this country who

are not necessarily hard right or nasty people, is an issue. You

cannot get over that, because they see the pressures on the public

services, they see migrants from Poland competing for their jobs. You

have to address these issues where there is an element of the hard

right but these are not necessarily people who are hard right who are

concerned about immigration. I am saying we have our own hard right,

but I am saying and Nigel Farage's last poster, the most disgusting

poster, actually disgusting... I don't condone that. Syrian refugees

as a threat to us, but what I'm saying is the mood in the country

since the referendum debate turned to migration has been poisonous.

People are concerned and you have to address the concerns. A couple of

other things, there is quite a lot in the Mail On Sunday which I

thought was interesting. This is amazing, I never expected the Mail

to do this. Page seven, Swastika girl, Cox's debt is unfortunate but

don't let it stop us voting to quit the EU, stuff from various Nazi

groups. This is the hard right that you said we tended to ignore. It is

interesting how very quickly, very soon after Jo Cox's murder, how many

commentators on the right were eager to say to us, oh, he was mentally

ill, you might be, I don't know, or it has got nothing to do with the

general right-wing and the mood of the country, two disassociates what

happened. I think one has to take a much fairer look at what the country

has become and here you have it, here you have it. OK, she is one

girl, thank God we have kept the extremist right at bay here, but

here you have it, they have quoted her, don't let this man sacrifice go

in vain. But, Ruth, this is a fringe of a fringe of a fringe, isn't it?

It is, a Labour MP in the papers a few days before, who was close to Jo

Cox and was in Birstall a couple of days ago, she was very upset, it was

quite touching, but she said, please don't criticise this death and

connected in that particular way because she thought it wasn't

helpful. I hope I am not misquoting her but I would agree with that

sentiment. Can we look at what the papers have said about, I don't know

whether people are led by leader columns in newspapers, but the Mail

has got, for a safer, more prosperous and even greater Britain,

we urge you to vote Remain, the Mail On Sunday, not what the Mail says.

The Times says, Vote Remain, where the Sunday Times and The Sun, owned

by the same people, are saying the opposite. Do you think people care?

We care, because we look at this stuff. The irony is that if you are

a mail reader, you read the Daily Mail six days a week and then you

read this... I don't think Daily Mail readers will be influenced by

this, I detect the big rivalry here, I would not want to go to a family

party that! I'm shocked you detect some kind of rivalry in the Mail!

This is what is happening to the country, within families this huge

divide, Boris' family, the only one who wants out, he and his wife. His

sister is in here somewhere saying the opposite. His father is in, the

brothers are in. My closest Asian friends, I grew up with them, I am

so upset that they want to leave, and my English husband is going to

go to them today, sit them down and give them a lecture on how this is

wrong! Intimidation! I'm not sure Sunday lunches are the place to

discuss any of this! The Observer must have been

listening to you, Britain's bit down the middle over Brexit. Do you trust

the opinion polls on this? I suggest many of us don't any more. Not

really, they got it so very badly wrong before the 2015 election. Most

of the polling on this one was done before Jo Cox's debt and I suspect,

as I mentioned earlier, there might have been a bit of a sympathy vote

towards Remain since then. What surprises me about all this is how

close the polls are, however bad or good they are, how close they are. I

thought the Remain campaign would wallop this. I think some of them

did, as well. I did not expect... Remain was lazy at the beginning.

Neither was brilliant. Brexit was hyperactive! We are at hyperactive

people! Is that it, Ruth, do you think Brexiters are very interested

in this and the past sway the British people are not that

bothered? It is interesting, people who say they will vote Brexit are

more likely to vote than those who said they would vote Remain, they

are more Bob -- more motivated. And that is why I want all of you don't

want to leave to... This is party political! I am going to change the

subject completely because we are in enough trouble!

The Observer has got what I think is a great story, cheered me up, Tim

Peake is back on Earth. Interested in this or not? It is fantastic! And

he looks so... Just so unaffected, when you watched him, it was

Kazakhstan where he came down, he must be so fit, in the old-fashioned

meaning of the word, all of the words are changing now! I usually

feel worth getting off the tube than he did coming at 28,000 mph or

something through the earth's atmosphere! When they put him on the

funny, tactical chair then wiped his face, he looked pretty exhausted. He

is a great advocate. He is fantastic, he said, all I want now

is a pizza and a cold beer. His body has been under huge stress, the

capital comes out at something like 18,000 mph, I hope I have got the

figure right, don't trust me, I'm an economist! It hits the Earth with a

great bump and I think the capsule was upside down so they had to push

it over. By the time he was on his feet he looked much better but his

body has been through huge stress. He really enter used young kids. And

he worked at it, didn't he, talking to classrooms and that sort of

stuff? Science is still not popular amongst young kids, it is heroic,

fantastic. Heroic, fantastic. Thanks to Ruth Lea and

Yasmin Alibhai-Brown. Just a reminder we'll take a look

at tomorrow's front pages tonight at 10.30pm and 11.30pm here on BBC

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