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Hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will bring us | :00:18. | :00:23. | |
tomorrow, with me, Robert Fox, defence editor of the London Evening | :00:24. | :00:26. | |
Standard, journalist and broadcaster, and your poor are you. | :00:27. | :00:29. | |
The front pages, let's overlook them. Starting stop the Christmas | :00:30. | :00:35. | |
gift card ripped off, the headline in the Daily Mail, which warns that | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
some store cards are expiring just six months after being pursued. The | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
Times also has a personal finance lead, claiming that people are being | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
unfairly charged hundreds of millions of pounds in credit card | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
fees. The Telegraph has an investigation into top-flight | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
British schools and it says are accepting 6-figure sums from | :00:56. | :01:01. | |
overseas parents desperate to secure a place. The Independent leads with | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
comments from the European Parliament chief Brexit negotiator, | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
British people could be given the chance to remain EU citizens. Rupert | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
Murdoch's tempted to take full control of sky television with a | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
takeover by 21st-century foxes on the front page of the Financial | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
Times. The scandal of our wasted foreign aid is the headline in the | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
express which says that ministers are under pressure to reveal | :01:27. | :01:28. | |
precisely how all foreign aid is being spent around the world. And | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
finally the eye reports on the Duke of York has taken the unusual step | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
of issuing a statement to deny claims of a rift between himself and | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
the Prince of Wales Cup the role of his daughters. | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
Let's begin, lots to talk about, shall we start of the seasonal | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
stories? The front page of the Daily Mail, stop the Christmas gift card | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
rip-off. This is specifically about gift cards, rather than about credit | :01:55. | :02:00. | |
cards. The report is...? The rip-off is that you buy gift cards because, | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
you know, some of us are quite lazy, and suddenly with only a few days | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
before Christmas, you think, what are we going to buy? And it looks | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
very handy. It is rip off, because, and we have all experienced that. | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
You go with your card, and then it is actually expired, because you | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
know, I mean, you know, the devil is in in the small print. But more than | :02:24. | :02:31. | |
that, there's actually a windfall for those retailers because you | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
never, if it has expired, you never actually buy things that are exactly | :02:35. | :02:41. | |
fitting the amount you have been given, so there's always a few | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
pounds for the retailer. More than a few pounds according to this. ?6 | :02:46. | :02:51. | |
million a week they make. Quite extraordinary. So the Times has a | :02:52. | :02:58. | |
similar story, about credit cards. Yes, with PPI and so on, and | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
mis-selling, the credit card world were supposed to have cleaned up its | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
act, this is not much about credit cards themselves, it is retailers, | :03:09. | :03:15. | |
who charge you a premium. Whether it is online, particularly stores, | :03:16. | :03:18. | |
services, where, if you pay by credit card rather than debit card | :03:19. | :03:24. | |
or cash, it is 2%, 5%, and the Times has got occasions when it is 12%, | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
going up to 15%. Come on. Christmas would not be Christmas in tabloid | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
went if you could not write a headline about a rip-off. So, it is | :03:35. | :03:44. | |
Christmas. In Fleet Street. Or, what used to be Fleet Street. Let's move | :03:45. | :03:51. | |
on to a story on the front page of the Telegraph, cash for places a | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
scandal at top schools, and the Telegraph has done its own | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
investigation into a school which it says is charging... Well, it is not | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
charging, it is allowing parents to get places at this school if they | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
make a very substantial donation. And what is interesting is that the | :04:13. | :04:18. | |
story, sort of, the line, halfway down the piece, it suggests that | :04:19. | :04:24. | |
educational consultants, so, middling people, are facilitating | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
payments of up to ?5 million, to certain high-profile schools. ?5 | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
million, extraordinary. It sounds mad to me. It is the going rate, | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
from what I understand. It has been going on for some time. Particularly | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
Southeast Asia, China, as part of a whole game of which there have been | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
many scandals, actually, I cannot name the protagonist, one was | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
murdered, for fear of libelling somebody. I don't want to get myself | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
as well of the BBC... I would like you not to name them. It is very | :05:01. | :05:07. | |
delicate, this, but it is a stock in trade. At my children to school | :05:08. | :05:16. | |
there have been donations, in the good old days there would be | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
donations and the donor was a benefactor and was not expecting a | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
return in kind necessarily, but this goes on at Oxford, Cambridge, | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
limiting damage, and so on, but now it is a business. And I think the | :05:29. | :05:38. | |
Telegraph is on to say -- onto something, there are agents, and | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
particularly from China, Southeast Asia, there are various countries | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
where these things, English private schools, the most noble of all time, | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
education is such a prize, that they put this money into it, what the | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
reaction is from the schools, I cannot go into. That is where we are | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
in trouble with the law. I suppose many people would not be that | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
surprised that you described a private school as a business, that | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
is what it is, but it is the scale of this, if the Telegraph is | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
correct, talking about ?5 million. It is funny that you are surprised, | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
it is not a matter for polite conversation, but I am not surprised | :06:16. | :06:23. | |
at all. And there is snobbery. Oh yes, status, get ahead time also. I | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
think they should be fined. The best schools are state-owned. You could | :06:30. | :06:32. | |
not get a place with money if you are the best... But you might have | :06:33. | :06:39. | |
to work harder. Of course. In France, there is a suspicion that if | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
you have to pay for the education, then you must be very bad at school, | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
but your parents have outside money. So, no, this traffic, this currency | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
of snobbery, it will get a lot of people, very rich people, in what | :06:55. | :07:02. | |
they think... Investing in their children's future. What they are | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
investing in is what the future social life... But probably not | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
there, you know, success in life. I suppose it does say something about | :07:13. | :07:18. | |
the reputation of British education, certain top private schools, that | :07:19. | :07:20. | |
people are willing to pay that sort of money, because I'm sure you can | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
get as good an education in France, but people are not sending their | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
children to your schools. It is about the mythology and the legend. | :07:30. | :07:37. | |
Buying into a club. Exactly. It is about education, but not only | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
that... Status. The Telegraph says this is an investigation. It will be | :07:44. | :07:46. | |
interesting to see how they pursue it. But how much we are interested | :07:47. | :07:53. | |
in it. Personally, I despise it, because I think it does point of | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
much bigger picture we have talked about, the discussion running this | :07:58. | :07:59. | |
week about whether you should have more free places at... That was | :08:00. | :08:09. | |
today. Our education is bedevilled by... The public/ private division, | :08:10. | :08:18. | |
and then you add this into a... The attraction for foreigners is the | :08:19. | :08:20. | |
English language. That is the strength of the English language. It | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
is the international lingua franca, to use Latin. This is what it is | :08:25. | :08:34. | |
pointing to. Shall we discuss Brexit? Cannot let an evening go by | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
without it. A day without it, cannot have that. The Times, the British | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
will be offered the chance to keep the EU citizenship. Not in the way | :08:45. | :08:52. | |
that you might expect. The detail is of course, individually, keeping the | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
EU... It will be quite difficult to the men. But it is an idea that | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
comes not from the British Parliament but from the former Prime | :09:01. | :09:08. | |
Minister of Belgium, who is Mr Brexit for the European Parliament. | :09:09. | :09:17. | |
A great man, actually. He has had this idea for, you know, 40% of the | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
British population, who did not vote for Brexit, and to feel European, | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
and perhaps that is a solution, for them, I mean, I have a look to | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
British friends, with some ancestry in Europe, and they are asking for, | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
you know, the Germans, for some passport, or the Irish, so that | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
might be a solution, except, individually, I mean, how will it | :09:43. | :09:50. | |
work? This has actually been brought forward, according to the Times, | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
partly because of the vote in the Commons this week. Yes, I think the | :09:56. | :10:03. | |
various parties are having to reveal their positions and I think the | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
former Belgian prime ministers really onto something here. It is | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
interesting that it has come from Europe and Polmont. Because there is | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
such a thing of solidarity, people with a common experience, called | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
work experience. Myself, half my family is Dutch. My children can | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
carry on as EU citizens, I cannot. And yet I have worked half my life | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
there. For the last 51 years, every year I have done some work in | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
Europe, I have a second language, and the idea that Brexit means | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
prevail over 48.5%, that kind of prevail over 48.5%, that kind of | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
light and dark, Manichaean division, it is complete nonsense. What is so | :10:48. | :10:54. | |
notable is that the Brexit supporters, or their flag-bearers, | :10:55. | :10:59. | |
their standard-bearers, soon-to-be getting more shrill by the minute, | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
because the whole question looks so complex, and cannot be done in the | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
timetable laid out, as we will hear with the next story. It will not be | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
able to be done in two years. Let's move on to that, actually. This is, | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
you talk about the flag-bearers, well the official flag bearer, David | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
Davis, Minister for Brexit, talking about a transitional deal, a sort of | :11:25. | :11:31. | |
buffer period. He is saying that he has no interest in that. Well, you | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
may not have any interest in this by British companies and actually the | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
British people have a stake in it, of course, there must be a | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
transition period. What is very funny is that he said, oh, I don't | :11:44. | :11:50. | |
mind being kind to the EU. I would rather the EU was asking for a | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
transition period, but he's never going to ask for it. It is British | :11:55. | :12:01. | |
companies, the Bank of England, the major British banks, they need it. | :12:02. | :12:08. | |
So I agree with that EU representative quoted by the | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
Financial Times, saying that, David Davis is completely diluted. Under | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
British politicians have not got a clue. What is curious about this is | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
that David Davis does not, in a sense, seem to be against a | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
transitional period, he just seems to be against asking for it. He is | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
against begging for it. It is very hard to see what he, Fox, Johnson, | :12:32. | :12:38. | |
and Theresa May, to an extent, are really for. They are going to have | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
to reveal the plan, particularly when we have the Supreme Court | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
decision, they will need to talk about what the legislation will have | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
to be if legislation there has to be. They have to reveal a plan, that | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
was the point, that came out... The word around Whitehall is, would you | :12:57. | :13:03. | |
believe it, it is either Norway minus, an associate of deal with | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
Norway, or Canada plus. Work out what that means. But how long does | :13:09. | :13:16. | |
it take to do a trade deal? That is the kind of period we are talking | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
about. That is what the city is so worried about, with people like | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
Davis, Fox, Johnson, they think they are lightweight. They don't think | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
that the people in the civil service are lightweight, but supposing you | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
and do, at a stroke, this has been in the heavy papers for the past two | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
weeks, the European Community is act of 1972, then you go... You push it | :13:41. | :13:47. | |
over the cliff, with a whole raft of human rights legislation, and human | :13:48. | :13:49. | |
rights that are invoked, and this does not seem to be considered. As I | :13:50. | :13:55. | |
said, this black and white... You get people demonstrating because | :13:56. | :13:58. | |
they think it is primarily about immigration and how to stop it. The | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
minute you say, we are no longer members, of the EU. Apparently | :14:04. | :14:09. | |
there's a third option, Norway minus, Canada can plus, and Turkey | :14:10. | :14:18. | |
meets Switzerland, another option that about, also quite deluded as | :14:19. | :14:26. | |
well. The Times, a story about severely traumatised young people | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
who have escaped from Mosul in Iraq. And the sort of things that they saw | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
well under the Islamic State regime. We need to talk a little bit about | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
that. Some background, this was written by a wonderful reporter, a | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
great friend of mine, and I have been nasty places with him, Anthony | :14:46. | :14:51. | |
Loyd. And he has an extraordinary, insightful story, because he went to | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
the refugee camp, one of the biggest ones outside Mosul, receiving | :14:56. | :15:01. | |
refugees, 81,000 have fled from this place of battle, and what they are | :15:02. | :15:08. | |
finding, the Unicef people, is that they number in the thousands of | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
young children who are just addicted to violence, rage, because it is all | :15:13. | :15:15. | |
that they know, because of the traumatic scenes that they have | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
witnessed inside Islamic State controlled Mosul. People being | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
beheaded, tortured, and the particular case of a young boy, a | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
four-year-old, who just hits his sister all the time, his mother does | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
not dare let him go out to play, and the psychiatric damage, the | :15:35. | :15:37. | |
psychological damage, is absolutely enormous. So if you think that is | :15:38. | :15:41. | |
happening emotional, just imagining what is happening in Aleppo. It is | :15:42. | :15:47. | |
unbearable to read. But it is one thing that is really key, and so | :15:48. | :15:54. | |
poignant, not only this terrible atrocity, but also people and the | :15:55. | :16:00. | |
Islamic State are obliged to watch. And you have got big screens, | :16:01. | :16:06. | |
erected at marketplaces, and that combination between the lack of | :16:07. | :16:13. | |
humanity, basic humanity, and also the entertainment, it is an | :16:14. | :16:21. | |
unbearable article. Very chilling. Let's move on to our final story, on | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
the front page of the Telegraph, along with a big photograph, the | :16:26. | :16:29. | |
Duke of York, denying a rift with his older brother, unusual, for a | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
member of the Royal family to come out with something like this. It | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
seems to be... I mean, there is a recurrent theme. Prince Harry, taken | :16:40. | :16:45. | |
to Twitter. They have taken to Twitter to do it. We have got to | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
have our Christmas pantomime and the Royals are saying, move over | :16:51. | :16:53. | |
Simpsons, we are it. I don't think they see it that way, but anyway, I | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
suppose what is interesting is if you want the papers to lay off his | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
family it has had the opposite effect, because what do we see? It | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
is on the front page. He did not have a cool PR man saying, look, | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
this is not right way to go about it. It will be interesting to see if | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
tactics change. Thank you both much indeed. You can see all of the pages | :17:15. | :17:22. | |
online on our website, where you can read a detailed review of the | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
headlines. It is all there for you seven days per week, BBC .co .uk/ | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
papers. And you can see us there also each night in addition been | :17:33. | :17:35. | |
posted on the page shortly after we have finished. Thank you both very | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
much. Goodbye. Good evening, once again it has been | :17:40. | :17:55. | |
another mild day for the time of year across the country, but also a | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
day of contrast, we had quite a lot of cloud around, and some rain, in | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
North Wales today, pretty dismal, not | :18:04. | :18:05. |