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We'll be taking a look at tomorrow morning's papers in a moment. | :00:16. | :00:24. | |
With me is Martin, the deputy head of sport at The Sun. And the editor | :00:25. | :00:33. | |
at the London Evening Standard. We will go through the papers in a | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
moment. First off, a look at the papers. The Daily Telegraph. | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
The Daily Telegraph claims that Royal Mail staff, | :00:43. | :00:44. | |
as well as rail and airport workers, may strike over Christmas, | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
leaving Theresa May facing pressure over "industrial chaos." | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
The paper also notes Andy Murray's third Sports Personality victory. | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
The Guardian also celebrates Murray's win, but focuses on claims | :00:53. | :00:54. | |
that the justice secretary had prior warning ahead of the riot at HMP | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
The Metro leads with former Chancellor George Osborne's verdict | :00:59. | :01:05. | |
that his warnings about the UK being poorer after Brexit | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
Brexit also dominates the Financial Times, | :01:09. | :01:20. | |
but the paper focuses on fears about exit talks being delayed | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
will mean banks leaving the UK for abroad. | :01:24. | :01:31. | |
The Times claims that Britain is dumping overseas aid money | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
into trust funds to try meet the country's annual target. | :01:35. | :01:36. | |
And the Daily Mail leads with the claim that millions | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
of pounds of UK aid money has been used to fund a talk show | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
OK. We will begin. Lovely to see you. We will start with the | :01:44. | :02:01. | |
Guardian. Liz Truss and Birmingham Prison. The disturbance of the major | :02:02. | :02:09. | |
rioting, the prison has been out of control. It has been subdued. It is | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
talking about how Liz Truss was warned two months ago about the | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
dangers of such an incident at Birmingham. There were not enough | :02:19. | :02:24. | |
staff. Quite a large prison, 1500 inmates, one of the largest in the | :02:25. | :02:30. | |
country. It goes on to talk about the problem of drugs in the prison. | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
One of those watchdogs has talked about this. The thing about this is, | :02:36. | :02:43. | |
and the story quotes Nick, the Chief Inspector of the prison until the | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
end of the year, he warned explicitly, as did his replacement, | :02:47. | :02:55. | |
about the risk of legal highs, psychoactive drugs. They were | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
creating a tremendously violent atmosphere imprisoned. This has been | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
well-documented. This story shows that the secretary warned of the | :03:06. | :03:10. | |
dangers of Birmingham, and predecessors had been warned about | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
this risk actually buy the chief inspectors of prisons. For many | :03:14. | :03:20. | |
years it has been growing, the concern about the levels of violent | :03:21. | :03:28. | |
incidents in prison. Drugs being thrown over the wall and all sorts | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
of things. And then cutting staff members by 30% since 2010. You have | :03:34. | :03:40. | |
a situation where in essence there are increasingly unstable inmates in | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
there. And at the same time, fewer and fewer staff to deal with them. | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
It is a toxic problem unfortunately. The danger that has been spread. | :03:50. | :03:56. | |
There is a suggestion from a prison in Hull. It is a bit of a tinderbox | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
situation. It seems some have been involved in the instigation of the | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
Birmingham issues. And it is clearly a growing concern. I also wonder | :04:07. | :04:16. | |
sometimes how it can be avoided. It is all well and fine to talk about | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
when these things happen. But whether the Justice Secretary or any | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
civil servant can actually prevent random out sparks of violent. The | :04:26. | :04:33. | |
two things are, the current Justice Secretary has not been in her post | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
very long, and has inherited a problem that has been in the making | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
since they cut the offices in prisons why such a large number | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
since 2010 onwards. -- by. She has landed with this problem and now has | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
to deal with it. The problem with her side is that it is actually not | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
a problem, according to her, it is simple to deal with here and now. | :04:57. | :05:02. | |
More numbers in fewer prisons, a better ratio between staff and | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
prisoners, and we also need a better way of stopping drugs coming in. | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
They talk about nets, don't they? Providing more nets and body scan | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
is. You cannot throw them like that. If these things are coming in by | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
drone it does not matter how big the nets are, these are co-ordinated. | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
There are many instances where they could stop it. There was a killing | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
of an inmate earlier this year. There were problems previous to | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
this. But there was a report there were broken windows and drones were | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
flying out of window ledges and going out through the window. | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
Interestingly, the Times also has this story on its front page. I | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
don't know if either of you picked up on the point that, I think the UK | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
has the largest number of prisoners or people being sent to prison | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
compared to the rest of Europe. I mean, you were saying... Are we | :06:00. | :06:07. | |
going back to 20 years ago? Often there is the belief, and | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
understandably, that I think you need to have two show you have a | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
more Draconian sentencing policy. But the argument is all you do is | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
institutionalise people more and make them more likely to offend when | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
they come out. And you are putting them in small spaces designed for a | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
particular number and having them share cells, et cetera. There is an | :06:32. | :06:37. | |
argument we have been at that level for quite some time and the violence | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
is now happening because there is in essence not enough staff. So they | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
have said they are not prepared to pay for enough staff to cope with | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
the numbers they have got. There are warnings by the chairman of the OA | :06:50. | :06:55. | |
in Hull. It has been happening for years. Let us stay with the Times. | :06:56. | :07:02. | |
But stay with the aid story. Dumping these incredible figures into trust | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
funds. This is a toxic issue for many Tory MPs in particular, that | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
David Cameron set this to get of 0.7% of GDP spent on aid. That is a | :07:12. | :07:19. | |
very worthy objective and lots of it does achieve some good things. But | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
there is the feeling, and this story reflects that, what has been | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
happening, to make sure we meet that target, but the department for | :07:29. | :07:34. | |
international development is putting money into these trust funds, and | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
that money is sitting there in those funds. If you have a budget and need | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
to spend it in a certain period of time, you get to the end and say you | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
have not spent enough and you put it in a fund. What happens to these | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
accounts? Literally just sitting there. Just sitting there? A large | :07:53. | :07:58. | |
amount of it. ?4 billion apparently. And also the sheer scale, 0.7% of | :07:59. | :08:06. | |
national income equating to ?12 billion this year alone which is a | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
vast sum of money when we know there is other... Social care. Yeah. We | :08:12. | :08:19. | |
understand international aid can be good to event legal migration, | :08:20. | :08:27. | |
people fleeing their state of advance. If that is sitting on a | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
bank account, that is clearly not satisfactory. The World Bank | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
charging 240 million to UK taxpayers just defined what hasn't been spent. | :08:36. | :08:43. | |
Andy Murray. -- just to fund. Yet another strike for Theresa May. The | :08:44. | :08:49. | |
only thing keeping this country running over the last few days is | :08:50. | :08:55. | |
elves, sleighs and reindeer. Everything is stopping. Trains are | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
stopping. Flying as well. And now they will be a mail stoppage. A | :09:02. | :09:08. | |
threat of a strike to prevent presence -- presents being | :09:09. | :09:21. | |
delivered. I am a massive satsuma fan. The front of the Sun. Picking | :09:22. | :09:29. | |
up the traffic story. This is a story suggesting... This is | :09:30. | :09:31. | |
something already happening in London, the council has powers to | :09:32. | :09:39. | |
police bus lanes and all those things. It is saying these powers | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
are going to go from the police outside London to the local | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
authorities. And of course, as you say, that will be more rigourously | :09:50. | :09:55. | |
enforced. The police don't really like to do traffic enforcement any | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
more. So many people will be hit by them now. Anyone in London would say | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
they are pretty good at spotting any minor offence and you will get a | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
fine in a number of days. With all those cameras. This will get | :10:09. | :10:14. | |
people's blood boiling. Why don't people just not stop in bus lanes? | :10:15. | :10:21. | |
They need to be aware of signals and all indications. Have you gone down | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
a one-way street without knowing it or taken a wrong turn? People | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
followed the Sat Nav. It says turn left. I blame my Sat Nav. I found | :10:31. | :10:39. | |
myself in a spot where it is only for a bath. I thought, why am I in | :10:40. | :10:49. | |
this spot? -- bus. Suddenly, click, click, I had a fine. Andy Murray, | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
the front of the Guardian. He is great and popular and a deserved | :10:55. | :11:01. | |
winner. He has been in a marvellous, magnificent... He is only popular | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
now. Once he shared those tears after winning the Wimbledon final, | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
people realised... Is that all it took? Loves a Gavin Lewis and human | :11:11. | :11:20. | |
interest. We talk about England losing at the ball and we got so | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
used to it that it doesn't even seem to matter any more but that has gone | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
into the background. -- football. This is so significant. We need | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
positive news in tennis. It has been a long time coming. We have had | :11:34. | :11:39. | |
success in athletics, but tennis! He has been brilliant. But Edmund and | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
others want to follow him. I know about Murray is that he is | :11:43. | :11:54. | |
happy to be a role model, wants to be and wants to encourage kids to | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
play. He'll do everything that he can to get kids on the court and | :11:59. | :12:01. | |
that's great. Well played Andy Murray. All happened at the right | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
time for him. Fantastic news. And on that note, we're going to have to | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
say thank you and goodbye to both of you. It's been great fun. And that | :12:10. | :12:12. | |
was the Papers tonight. Don't forget, all of the front pages are | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
online on the BBC News website where you can read a detailed review of | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
the papers. All there for you seven days a week. And you can see us | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
there too with each night's edition of the Papers which is posted on the | :12:28. | :12:32. | |
page shortly after we finished. So thank you to Martin Lipton and | :12:33. | :12:38. | |
Martin Bantham. Coming up next is the Film Review. But from me, from | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
the three of us actually, it's goodnight. | :12:43. | :12:47. |