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Hello there, and welcome to Tuesday In Parliament.

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Coming up: MPs question a Home Office minister

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about the facilities at one near-empty detention centre.

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Widescreen televisions, sky satellite channels, and Internet

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cafe on site. MPs argue over just when

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the referendum on our membership And he probably wasn't

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expecting that! One MP muses on the unintended

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consequences We have what can become at its worst

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the teaching equivalent of the Spanish Inquisition. More on that

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later. But first: stop The author of a Home Office review

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has described a state-of-the-art facility for asylum-seekers awaiting

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deportation as "an absolute outrage" in a time of austerity

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for public services. The Cedars, near Gatwick,

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provides accommodation for families. There are nine flats,

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cooking facilities, a canteen and extensive play and

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entertainment facilities, But the report's author,

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Stephen Shaw, has told MPs on the Home Affairs Committee that

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although there was a staff of 80, there were no residents at all on

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the two occasions he visited. And the questioning was picked up

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by another Conservative last year the government spent ?6.4

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million running a removal Centre for asylum seekers and I understand that

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it held 64 people and all have been removed and it had a staff of 80

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even when it was empty and you commented that this was a

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misdirection of public funds that could have been better used for

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other purposes. If you were the minister, what would you do with the

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The Cedars now? There are congratulation is why that hasn't

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featured thus far in what I have said but at a time when the Home

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Office, as most government departments, are facing a period of

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austerity, it seems to me an absolute outrage that so much money

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has been spent at The Cedars and I also think, and this will surprise

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you, it is true that hardly anyone goes there and quite a lot of them

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are released back into the community and there are some repeat detention

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seekers. On the two occasions I have been there have been nobody there. I

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actually think it is almost that you are taking, in the main, a single

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mum, living in probably not very good social housing somewhere, you

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are removing her to a country with a very uncertain future, and you are

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putting her in these palatial facilities are two or three days

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that she is bemused by it, and therefore makes their use of. It is

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almost an unkindness, not a kindness, to do it in that way. I am

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sure we would want to put that directly to the Minister.

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And the questioning was picked up by another Conservative

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Is it appropriate for Her Majesty 's government to be spending money on

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all sorts of luxuries that hard-working families can ill

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afford, like widescreen television, sky satellite channels and an

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Internet cafe and basketball court on site, are these appropriate for

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the taxpayer to be spending? I think we need to be looking very carefully

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at our immigration removal Centre on that balance of striking that it is

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something that is not a prison, it is for someone to facilitate their

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departure from this country and therefore we Ahram -- providing

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appropriate accommodation, I hope for relatively short periods of

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time, to see that they are removed. That is my question? Is it

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appropriate for widescreen televisions on sky channels to be

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provided to people in these centres when hard-working families can ill

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afford them? If you actually visit and immigration removal Centre you

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will find they are not palatial environments. With respect, I am

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asking your judgment on whether this is an appropriate use of taxpayers

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money. Having some facilities to make the environment for those who

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are being removed from the country appropriate is an appropriate

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spending of money, but it is not, in my view, that this should be

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sugar-coated or excessive and clearly we keep the issues and close

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review while balancing off the desire to be fair to those who are

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being removed and doing that in an appropriate way, but ultimately

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people with no relief to be in this country should be removed or should

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depart. James Brokenshire. Now, what's wrong with

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Thursday June 23rd as the day for the referendum

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on Britain's EU membership? Quite a lot if a Commons debate

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is anything to go by. The date's not yet confirmed,

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but is thought to be the one favoured by David Cameron

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as he enters the final phase Some MPs from Scotland,

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Wales and Northern Ireland say June 23rd is too

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close to May 5th, when there are elections to their

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devolved assemblies and Parliaments. The Westminster leader

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of the Democratic Unionist Party said a June referendum would overlap

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with the other elections. We need to ensure that the

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government respects the devolved administrations in Northern Ireland,

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Scotland and Wales on an issue of such import. We must put their

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national interest above every other consideration, we must respect the

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rights of the people who go to the polls in May and we must allow for

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the fullest possible debate on the biggest decision to be made by this

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country for generations. Could he help clarify the date by suggesting

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what date he thinks the referendum should be held? I also have concerns

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that the longer it is left then the more damaging it is to the economy

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of the United Kingdom. I personally would be content to have the

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referendum in the autumn. Can I just say, Eurosceptic English point of

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view, we say to the Prime Minister, we are self-confident, we know our

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arguments, and we say to the Prime Minister, bring it on. No delay,

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don't look worried, bring it on and we can have a proper debate and we

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can win this. For the sake of our collective mental and emotional

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health, as well as having to say this many times, I'd take the

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opportunity to advise any amateur criminologists hoping to gain clues

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about the date of the referendum from closed textural analysis of my

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remarks not to bother. There are not any clues. The Minister said we are

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trying to tempt him into naming the day and he will not do that because

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of career limiting implications. We are not trying to get him to name

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the day, we are trying to get him to name when the day is not going to

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be. It is a question of elimination. If I could commend him to the poem,

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when you have mislaid a certain thing, keep your cool and don't get

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hot. Elimination or it helps a lot fuller. The way to help missing

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something is to find out what it not. The referendum will absorb the

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minds and hearts of people throughout the United Kingdom, like

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it hasn't done for 40 years and that we must do that unencumbered with

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any other electoral consideration at the same time. It is perfectly

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feasible to have an overlap, providing you accept that you have a

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six-week gap as a minimum between two poles. I would remind the house,

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Mr Speaker, that a six-week gap is the full length of a general

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election campaign. We decide the government of this country on the

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basis of a six-week campaign. My constituents are pretty cheesed off

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with politics and I think that we need to understand that not everyone

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in the country is as excited about politics as we are in this place and

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actually you need a short campaign where people can focus on the issues

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and make a decision at the end of their short campaign. Just a point

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in this compressed time period with the possible date of June 23, the

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Scottish schools are about to go on holiday at that point and many of

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the electorate will be either planning or starting to take their

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holidays. The 22nd in some local authorities will be the day and it

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is unthinkable to have a vote of such importance during English

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school holidays and yet this vote could actually take place during

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Scottish school holidays. The bottom line is if this referendum is held

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on the 23rd all the 30th of June, for instance, this would be over a

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month and a half after the fifth of the May elections and I believe the

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people of the UK are perfectly capable of making an important

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decision a month and a half after local elections and to suggest

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otherwise in my view is patronising and disrespectful.

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The Commons gathered as it was confirmed that informal talks

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aimed at averting a planned strike by junior doctors were taking place.

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A 24 hour stoppage covering all but emergency care was scheduled

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to get under way at eight o'clock on Wednesday morning.

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Junior doctors are in dispute over pay and working hours,

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as the government tries to negotiate a new contract

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Labour accused the government of being the blockage in the talks.

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Independent reports that a potential deal on the junior doctor contract

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was put to the government that would have resolved the junior doctor

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concerns without costing any more money and potentially could have

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avoided tomorrow's industrial action. A source said it to the

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newspaper that the one person who would not agree was the Health

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Secretary. He said no. Let me ask the Health Secretary are very direct

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question. As the government at any point rejected a cost neutral

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proposal from the BMA on the junior doctor contract, yes or no? Mr

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Speaker, the only reason that we do not have a solution on the junior

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doctors is because in December, on the one outstanding issue, which is

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about pay on Saturdays, the BMA said they would negotiate by last month

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they said they refused to negotiate. That is the only outstanding issue.

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If they are prepared to negotiate and be flexible on that, so are we.

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What is noticeable is that despite 3000 cancelled operations, no one in

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the Labour Party is condemning these strikes. By refusing to condemn the

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junior doctors strike the pair -- that the lady opposite as that shown

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she has little regard for patient safety. Will my honourable friend

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repeat his condemnation for the strike which will seriously endanger

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patient safety and will he ensure me that they will continue to press for

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the new contracts which will guarantee safe patient care and a

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better contract for doctors? Mr Speaker, I think she got a bit of a

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reaction, don't you, by those comments? The party opposite are

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saying that if a negotiated settlement can't be reached then we

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should not impose a new contract, in other words we should give up on

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seven care for the most vulnerable patients. There was a time when the

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Labour Party used to speak up for vulnerable patients, but now it is

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clear that unions matter than patients.

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You're watching Tuesday In Parliament,

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here on BBC Parliament, with me, Alicia McCarthy.

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The Government has said it will not send troops into Libya to take

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But a Foreign Office Minister has said the UK would respond

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to requests for assistance - as and when a unity

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Tobias Ellwood would not be drawn, however, on RAF flights over Libya

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or whether special forces were there.

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His comments came in the wake of attacks targetting Libya's oil

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industry by mililtants linked to the group calling itself

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There are discussions being had as to what we can do to facilitate

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assistance once a Government is actually formed

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as to what we can do to advise, assist, support and train.

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Just to confirm that we are not going in there in order to hold

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and take ground in that sense whatsoever.

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I should make the distinction between

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support that is being given for stabilisation in Tripoli

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versus the ground forces, which is what I'm

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alluding to, as to what support may come through.

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Separately to support that might be required to deal with Daesh.

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When you say sport, you're talking about military?

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Help in terms of whether it is a pilot or drones,

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The first question that has to be answered is confirmation

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and invitation because otherwise it would be illegal for us to send any

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Once the Government is in place, if an

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invitation is then given to us to provide them assistance

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in training of their Armed Forces, then we are happily going

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So you are saying that at the moment,

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if there is an invitation from some kind of Government of Libya,

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then the only thing we're going to dealing with is systems

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Therefore we are not going to go in, for example,

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using drones are using planes to carry out some targeted bombing?

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As the situation stands at the moment, that is the case.

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That possibility of the spread of Isis, could the United Kingdom

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intervene effectively in Libya against Daesh without an invitation

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from a UN-backed Government of national accords?

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So basically, can we go in unilaterally, without their

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agreement if we feel that the nature of the threat posed by Daesh

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is to such a degree that it would cause

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high volatility within the oil sector and, indeed, a humanitarian

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crisis across the Mediterranean, as we have

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You again ask a hypothetical question but you

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have touched on something very important, which we have not really

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dealt with yet and that is the consequence of a lack

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of governance in a country which is being utilised

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by the criminal gangs in order to ferry people who are not

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necessarily from Libya but indeed from other

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That is why we need the ports and the maritime peace secured

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From the perspective of the scenario that you spell out,

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I can only repeat what I said about the Prime Minister

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If there is an immediacy and a threat to the UK,

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then he will make that judgment itself but sadly

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--certainly there is no planning whatsoever from the current

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situation to pursue what you are suggesting.

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At the start of the year David Cameron said it was time

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to demolish the worst "sink housing estates" and rebuild

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Speaking to the BBC the prime minister said there should be a big

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shift towards more affordable housing to buy.

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A panel to be chaired by Lord Heseltine will report on how

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investment from bodies like pension funds might be unlocked and draw up

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a list of sites that could benefit from regeneration.

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In the Lords peers wondered how it would all be paid for.

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Estate regeneration provides a big opportunity to turn around run-down,

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low-density public sector estates to produce many more new homes

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The funding announced is only part of the package we are working on.

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An advisory panel, co-chaired by my noble friend Lord Heseltine

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and my honourable friend Brandon Lewis, will explore how

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we can help the projects to go forward.

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The panel will meet for the first time today. I thank the noble

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Baroness for her response. I am sure she is aware that in many parts of

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the country the number of households in severe housing needs is

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increasing. It is 3000 in my own city. With the numbers of people

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sleeping rough, having gone up by 41%. Could the noble lady tell me

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when precise funded proposals will be published? And could she also

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assure us that decent, affordable homes will be provided for those

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families in the most severe need? The noble lady underlies why we're

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doing this. We are trying to introduce more than 1 million new

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homes into this country by 2021. In terms of the funding, that funding

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that was announced was purely seed funding to attract other forms of

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funding, both in the public and the private sector. And in terms of the

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mix of Tanya, that certainly will be on the panel's minds. -- Kenya. --

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Kenya. One of the ways to make homes

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affordable is to ensure that they are energy efficient,

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so that people do not have to pay Will she assure the House that these

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homes will not be built so energy inefficiently that they have to be

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dealt with again within 20 years? Can she assure the House that energy

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efficiency will be high My Lords, I will not be

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sitting on the panel, but I shall certainly bring that

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point to my noble friend Of course, my noble friend

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is absolutely right that, the more energy efficient a house

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is, the cheaper it is to live in and the cheaper the bills

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are for the tenants The Minister's right honourable

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friend the Prime Minister, when he announced this initiative,

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talked about bulldozing Can the noble Baroness tell us how

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many families will be living in those sink estates and how far

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the ?140 million will go --in those sink estates and how far

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the ?130 million will go towards providing them

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with adequate accommodation? Perhaps she can tell

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us whether she agrees with the Prime Minister's

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terminology in describing those My Lords, "sink estate"

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is terminology that conjures up a picture of an estate that

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has become run-down, in which people feel

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less safe to live or, indeed, where the standard

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of accommodation is not The ?140 million of funding is seed

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funding for other types of funding to come in both from the public

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and the private sector. While that regeneration

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is being done, I do not expect that the tenants will be

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living in those houses. An MP has said that assessments

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of disabled people on benefits may have been falsified to show

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that they are fit for work The claim was made during a debate

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in Westminster Hall in which Labour and SNP MPs called for a fundamental

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rethink of the system. The assessments have been carried

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out by private companies, Atos and Maximus, on people

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receiving There seems to be an alarming trend

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of cases being rejected based on factual errors or even-I hesitate

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to say this-falsification. I have had several cases of people

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telling me that their assessment report bears absolutely no

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relation to the assessment that they experienced

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with Maximus or Atos. I am sure that other Members have

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heard similar evidence. One or two cases could be dismissed

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as an honest mistake, but the situation appears to reveal

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a disconcerting pattern of behaviour that indicates that the trade-off

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between cost cutting and profit maximisation is being felt

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by very vulnerable people. And those who are all work

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capability assessments that they will tell you they found the entire

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process at best a demeaning and at worst intimidating. It is a cause of

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deep distress which is particularly alarming when one considers that

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some of the claimants live with challenging health and mental

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conditions. And find going through these assessments almost more than

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they can bear. These assessments indeed can exacerbate or even

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precipitate mental health problems. New research from the universities

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of Liverpool and Oxford found that in areas where more people were

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assessed for E S H, there was a greater increase in mental health

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conditions and prescriptions for antidepressants and even the number

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of suicides the research estimates this could have led to 590

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additional suicides. The contract to carry out

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assessments in March 2015, it has made a number

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of improvements to the claimants' The honourable lady mentioned

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falsification of data at one point as well. We are very clear that we

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have a clear process which has a validation of data and she also went

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on to comment on the providers are incentivised as well. Our providers

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are not incentivised by outcome. We have our full range of a balanced

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performance measures that are focused on quality and volumes and

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in customer satisfaction, which brings me back to the point that we

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are speaking about people. English schools should be given

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the right to challenge the timing of visits by Ofsted inspectors

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and appeal against their findings. That was the demand

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of a Liberal Democrat MP, John Pugh, who said the decisions

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of schools inspectors had far on a school's reputation,

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its funding, even its very survival. Introducing a Bill to put his

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proposals into affect, Mr Pugh said action was needed

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to redress the balance of power But he began his speech

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with an announcement which slightly I apologise in advance, Mr Speaker,

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for my lacklustre demeanour. I recently had a bout of winter

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vomiting, and I am concerned that I have more to worry

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about than projecting my voice. Stand over there then shouted

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the DUP's Sammy Wilson. John Pugh got to the

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substance of his bill. Good teachers and heads

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who fear an errant verdict They leave the profession early,

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or, in the worst cases, We do not have a collegial,

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peer-reviewed model Instead, we have what can become,

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at worst, the teaching equivalent of the Spanish inquisition,

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where careers go up in flames at the mere whiff of

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educational heresy. I recognise that inspection has

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a valuable role in education, but the way we currently do it

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in England, via the bloated bureaucratic beast that Ofsted

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has become, is clumsy, poor value for money

:24:32.:24:33.

and unaccountable. Critically, there is no independent

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appeal on matters of substance. The Bill seeks to give schools

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powers to contest an unfair judgment by appeal to independent

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regional panels. Currently even lodging complaints

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was seen as futile he said and few schools did it and it was time

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to address what he called this Well Mr Pugh won the right

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to take his bill forward, but a lack of time means it stands

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no chance of becoming law. Mps flattened the opposition coming

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home first in the annual Westminster The members of the Commons

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were victorious, battering the opposing teams made up

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of peers and journalists. The shrove Tuesday flip-a-thon

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was held this year in aid The victorious cross party team

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of MPs was led by pancake veteran stephen pound,

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aided and abetted by a behatted band including new Mps Labour's Clive

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Lewis and the Conservative Which flipping nonsense brings us

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to the end of today's programme, but do join me again at the same

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time tomorrow for another round up of the best of the day

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here at Westminster, including the highlights from prime

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minister's questions. But until then from me,

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Alicia McCarthy, goodbye.

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