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I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme. | :00:07. | :00:11. | |
Abandoned and left to fend for themselves - four siblings who | :00:12. | :00:13. | |
had to raise themselves after their parents died have been awarded | :00:14. | :00:16. | |
We meet one of the children who - 30 years on - says it's | :00:17. | :00:25. | |
Plus, what caused a Russian holiday jet to crash over | :00:26. | :00:31. | |
And, do dating apps have a responsibility to promote better | :00:32. | :00:42. | |
We'll hear from him and meet people who say they're | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
Do you ever think I am spending too much time on these? All the time. | :00:47. | :00:55. | |
Don't care. Going up to London for a day and you | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
want to meet up in the evening with someone you can, you can go on the | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
app and it's easy. It's just quicker. That's kind of why I have | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
started getting on to Tinder and it's the pace of it, it's instant. | :01:10. | :01:19. | |
We're on BBC 2 and the BBC News Channel until 11.00am this morning. | :01:20. | :01:24. | |
Throughout the morning we'll bring you the latest news and sport and | :01:25. | :01:27. | |
we'll discuss new government plans to speed up the adoption process. | :01:28. | :01:33. | |
If you've adopted we would love to hear your insight into what | :01:34. | :01:35. | |
Plus, we'll speak to those who've spent time with Shaker Aamer since | :01:36. | :01:42. | |
Your contributions to this programme and your expertise | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
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First, a family of four orphaned children | :02:06. | :02:07. | |
have been awarded ?75,000 in compensation after being effectively | :02:08. | :02:14. | |
abandoned by their local authority and left to bring themselves up. | :02:15. | :02:16. | |
Parents James and Elileen Hawkins died in 1983 | :02:17. | :02:18. | |
Their children, aged between 8 and 16, | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
In an exclusive first broadcast interview Tony Hawkins - | :02:24. | :02:33. | |
who was eight at the time - says it's a miracle he survived - | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
as he had to scavenge for food often eating old dog | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
biscuits or a slice of bread with vinegar and sugar smeared on it. | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
Liverpool City Council have admitted they didn't provide proper care | :02:45. | :02:46. | |
Thank you very much for coming on the programme. Tell us, first of | :02:47. | :03:00. | |
all, what happened to your parents. My parents were, one evening, my | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
father came home, he had been the out for a drink with friends. My dad | :03:04. | :03:08. | |
was into the home brew kind of hobby. He came home with a bottle | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
which he said a friend had give him, said it was vodka, just needed | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
watered down and they could drink it as vodka. So he and my mum and a | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
friend did that and they had a drink because it was coming up to their | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
anniversary and they drank this vodka. The friend had less than | :03:30. | :03:36. | |
them, I think left shortly afterwards, and it turned out to be | :03:37. | :03:46. | |
an alcohol that can be used as an engine cleaner, that killed them in | :03:47. | :03:56. | |
a painful and ex-cruciating way. It left you and your brother and sister | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
alone. What did the social services? From my recollection there was | :04:02. | :04:08. | |
limited intervention. We went on a couple of trips in the first few | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
months which weren't very pleasant experiences. Did they decide that | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
someone should look after you or your 16-year-old brother should? | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
From what we know now, just from speaking to James and from what we | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
knew, James was called to a meeting with the council at 16, he was a | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
young 16-year-old boy grieving over his parents and he was asked do you | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
want to look after the children and he obviously said, well, yeah. That | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
was it. Evident left to do that. There was -- he was left to do that. | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
There was no court case, there was no procedures followed. And that was | :04:49. | :04:55. | |
it. We were left there on our own. We will never know the truth because | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
we don't know, there was no records to say what happened. Right. Give | :05:00. | :05:08. | |
the audience an insight into what daily life was like as an | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
eight-year-old, with your 16-year-old brother apparently | :05:13. | :05:15. | |
looking after you. It went from being a normal family, siblings | :05:16. | :05:20. | |
arguing and fighting, a warm family environment food on the table, all | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
sitting around having our tea in the evening, to overnight just becoming | :05:26. | :05:32. | |
chaotic. James quickly with that responsibility, the pressure for him | :05:33. | :05:38. | |
became too much. His life went quickly downhill. Clare had learning | :05:39. | :05:54. | |
disabilities so she struggled. For Stephen and I we were straightaway | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
put in a position where we had to fend for ourselves, we quickly | :05:59. | :06:00. | |
realised it was down to us. We were only kids and we would have | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
conversations like, can you feel that pain in your stomach? I was | :06:05. | :06:11. | |
like, yeah, it was hunger. What were you eating? There was nothing. The | :06:12. | :06:18. | |
dog biscuits was, that's all there was in the kitchen so I would nibble | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
on dog biscuits, if there was bread I would put something like vinegar | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
or anything else you would normally find in the cupboard and repeatedly | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
walk into the kitchen and open cupboards knowing there was nothing | :06:32. | :06:38. | |
there to eat, so there was nothing. James, his life was falling away. | :06:39. | :06:44. | |
Minimal benefits he was on, we still don't know, if we did get a chance | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
to get money off James we would buy noodles or something we knew would | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
last for a few days. Did you go to school? We missed a lot of school. | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
You can imagine there is no boundaries, no adult figure to get | :07:00. | :07:02. | |
you up in the morning or push you to go to school, so we were kind of | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
your own boss really. Just left to get yourself up, to get yourself | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
dressed, fed, and get to school on time which quickly, if you were | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
hungry, or we were really hungry, we would just stay in bed because it | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
was easier to stay asleep and pull the blankets over your head and try | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
to get by until you would get something to eat and enable to you | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
go to school. Is it true you and your nine-year-old brother used to | :07:31. | :07:32. | |
share a uniform, he would go for a couple of days and he would give the | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
uniform to you and you would go for a couple of days? That went on | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
Father a while, especially in the early -- for a while, especially in | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
the early aftermath of our parents' death, we struggled with all normal | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
clothes. We would share a lot, basic socks and underwear. Uniform was a | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
problem. So, yeah, it was very, very difficult. We had to kind of just | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
get by with each other. Me and Stephen became, we had to be a unit. | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
It's extraordinary on so many levels. It's almost unbelievable. | :08:08. | :08:14. | |
Where were relatives, where were teachers saying who is looking after | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
you, what's happening, why haven't you been to school? This is only the | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
80s, it's not the 50s. Paternal side of the family, my dad's side weren't | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
close to my father anyway. I think there was a lot of family problems | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
on his side, his relationship with his siblings. So they never played a | :08:33. | :08:40. | |
part. His mother was, must have been in her 80s, she was very old. She | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
lived a distance away, couldn't travel and had illness, she died | :08:45. | :08:51. | |
within that year of my father dying. My maternal side, there was a lot of | :08:52. | :09:00. | |
family issues relating to them, either lived too far away or had | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
their own real issues that weren't in a position to look after us. But | :09:06. | :09:13. | |
the responsibility was put on James. I would say in the first few weeks | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
would people could rally around or try and help then we realised it was | :09:18. | :09:26. | |
just about us and the help kind of disappeared or just became less, I | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
think we became very good at not feeling like a - not wanting people | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
to think we were victims or beggars, we put up a front like we had to | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
think - we had to stay proud and make people think we were still OK. | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
I can't look back and say and blame certain people and say why didn't | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
you help? Because we were kind of became very hard to say we are OK, | :09:50. | :09:52. | |
because we were in fear of being taken away you see. Right. That was | :09:53. | :09:57. | |
the bory -- that was the worry, if you said we need some help here, you | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
thought you might be split up? Absolutely. Speaking to James that | :10:02. | :10:08. | |
was the responsibility put on his head, which for me is just | :10:09. | :10:15. | |
diabolical. He was such a young kid and wasn't outgoing strong-minded | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
kid, he stayed in his room playing records, he would go to school and | :10:19. | :10:24. | |
he was very bright lad. Ultimately, within 24 hours he said now you are | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
a father of your siblings. Now you have to look after the finances, you | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
have to look after the house, the bills. He should never have been put | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
in that position. Yeah, it was very difficult for James. As an adult, | :10:38. | :10:44. | |
you did all fend for yourselves and you have gone on to achieve, you got | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
a scholarship at a good school and so on. But as an adult then you | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
start asking questions and looking back. Yes. I think for all four of | :10:54. | :11:00. | |
us we didn't look back, it was too hard to look back. We always tried | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
to, eggs Stephen and I, look forward. That was that -- especially | :11:05. | :11:10. | |
Stephen and I, look forward. It actually came about when I met, now | :11:11. | :11:16. | |
my wife, I met her in 94 and she was a Great Britain athlete and she was | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
travelling the world but always wanted to go into social work. She | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
qualified as a social worker but she would always ask questions, that | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
wasn't right, I am sure that wasn't right. When she got educated in this | :11:28. | :11:34. | |
field and had a knowledge she started asking the questions to me. | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
And pushing me. It all started with the headstone. We went to visit the | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
grave. It was just a very deteriorated wooden cross. She said, | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
that's unacceptable. She pursued the council to see if there was anything | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
they could do now to pay for the headstone for us. For your parents. | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
We have no record of you was the response. She thought, hang on, this | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
is not right. She applied under the Data Protection Act for all our | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
files and I believe they had a statutory period where they had to | :12:08. | :12:10. | |
respond in which they didn't respond within that period. She repeatedly | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
requested these files and about three months later got one letter | :12:16. | :12:18. | |
through the door saying we have no record, you didn't belong to this | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
authority, you belong to a different authority, we knew quite well we | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
belonged to that authority. Tried to push us in another direction. We | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
showed evidence that we lived in that property and they came back and | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
said we have again looked at the files, yes, you did belong to this | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
authority but we still have no record of you at all. So that was | :12:41. | :12:46. | |
the driver then, this was a case of, hang on, yeah, we now understand | :12:47. | :12:49. | |
what happened to us was wrong. We are looking back in the past and | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
remembering what happened and now we don't exist. That was for me was the | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
most hurtful thing, that was insult upon insult. It was my wife that was | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
the driving force behind the whole thing. The council have awarded you | :13:04. | :13:10. | |
and your siblings ?75,000 compensation. It tells you what? | :13:11. | :13:24. | |
That tells me, it's a token gesture that they've accepted some failings, | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
they've accepted something but we don't know what. I just believe it's | :13:29. | :13:31. | |
in the hope that this will be brushed under the carpet and go away | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
and that's how I see that. But you want what? I want answers. I can't | :13:37. | :13:43. | |
go through life now knowing what happened to us and just being | :13:44. | :13:46. | |
regarded as the kids that never existed. What happened to them | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
records? Somebody somewhere has answers. There's people who are | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
probably still alive now who were involved in the organisation or the | :13:55. | :13:56. | |
authority and worked for the authority that know something. I | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
appeal to them people to say come forward, give us some closure and | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
let us have some answers. Also how do we know any lessons have been | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
learned? How do we know this is not happening now or will happen to | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
other children in that position? Without them answers or an inquiry | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
or some Serious Case Review them questions will never be answered. We | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
have a statement from Liverpool City Council. The city council has | :14:22. | :14:30. | |
publicly acknowledged that it let these young people down over 30 | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
years ago. Since that time there haven't have been many changes in | :14:34. | :14:36. | |
social work practice and safeguards in place to prevent this happening | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
now. Would you like an atoing? It would be a starting -- apology. It | :14:41. | :14:44. | |
would be a starting point. For me it's too late. We started pursuing | :14:45. | :14:50. | |
these files years ago, since then they've ignored us, and never even | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
after the award, they've never directly approached us with an | :14:55. | :14:57. | |
apology to say we failed, we don't know why. But we hope it never | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
happens again. There's been nothing. An apology now would be too late. A | :15:03. | :15:08. | |
couple of comments from people watching this morning. ?75,000 is | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
rubbish compensation for that family of four children who were abandoned | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
by the local authority when their parents died. And Peter e-mailed to | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
say a disgrace that the council think such a small amount of money | :15:22. | :15:24. | |
is compensation. After this admission once again no names of | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
those in social services are published or questioned or even | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
prosecuted for negligence. But for you I think it's just you want to | :15:33. | :15:38. | |
find out why it happened. I know, I am convinced there is people still | :15:39. | :15:41. | |
around now who were involved with the case, who know about the case, | :15:42. | :15:48. | |
who have answers and why they're sitting quiet disturbs me. I would | :15:49. | :15:51. | |
like them to come forward and talk to us, just explain their side of | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
the story or if they were involved in any way and say this is what | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
happened. But at the moment we have absolutely no idea. We have had no | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
answers at all. Thank you very much. | :16:06. | :16:13. | |
It is being reported by the press Association that a 5 -year-old girl | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
has been injured when a car crashed into a tree, killing the driver. She | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
could have been in the vehicle for some time before she was | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
discovered, apparently, according to the ambulance service. Emergency | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
crews found the girl in the back of the car after two cyclists saw it in | :16:32. | :16:35. | |
a ditch in Staffordshire yesterday morning in foggy conditions. The man | :16:36. | :16:42. | |
driving the car was dead at the scene but a spokesman for West | :16:43. | :16:44. | |
Midlands Ambulance Service said, on arrival crews found the car in a | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
ditch, it had suffered considerable damage and appeared to have been | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
there for some time. It was very foggy at the time and it was | :16:53. | :16:55. | |
immediately obvious the man driving had passed away. The girl has been | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
taken to Royal Stoke University hospital after complaining of paint | :17:00. | :17:03. | |
in her back and abdomen. A spokesman said this was extremely difficult | :17:04. | :17:10. | |
for all involved, including the two cyclists who made the discovery. It | :17:11. | :17:13. | |
is not clear how long the five-year-old girl had been in the | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
cart before the ambulance crew arrived, but they say at least for | :17:18. | :17:18. | |
some time before she was discovered. Shaker Aamer's home from Guantanamo | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
but how is he coping with being We'll be talking to two people | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
who've seen him since his return. With hundreds of ways | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
of meeting people online are we We'll talk to | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
a leading sexual health consultant who thinks apps should do more to | :17:37. | :17:50. | |
promote safe sex. The bodies of more than | :17:51. | :17:52. | |
140 people killed in a plane crash in Egypt have been | :17:53. | :17:59. | |
flown home to St Petersburg. The Metrojet Airbus crashed | :18:00. | :18:02. | |
on Saturday in the Sinai Peninsula 23 minutes after taking off | :18:03. | :18:05. | |
from the Egyptian Red Sea resort Russian officials say the plane | :18:06. | :18:07. | |
broke up at high altitude. Thick fog is causing widespread | :18:08. | :18:16. | |
travel disruption across the UK Passengers have been left stranded | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
with many flights cancelled or Foggy conditions are expected to | :18:20. | :18:22. | |
continue throughout the morning. The Met Office has issued | :18:23. | :18:25. | |
a severe weather warning Turkey's President, Tayyip Erdogan, | :18:26. | :18:28. | |
has hailed the strong performance of his ruling | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
Justice and Development party The party, also known as AKP, | :18:35. | :18:36. | |
got back its parliamentary majority that it lost in June with | :18:37. | :18:47. | |
a stronger-than-expected performance Israeli troops have shot | :18:48. | :18:49. | |
and killed a Palestinian who tried The army says the incident happened | :18:50. | :18:58. | |
near a checkpoint between the It's the third attempted stabbing | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
near the checkpoint in recent weeks. Police | :19:03. | :19:10. | |
investigating a series of sex assaults in Clapham and Brixton in | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
South London last month are linking The latest incident happened | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
on Saturday. The woman called for help | :19:18. | :19:20. | |
and her attacker fled. Two men have been arrested | :19:21. | :19:22. | |
and bailed during the inquiry. A family of four orphaned children | :19:23. | :19:33. | |
have been awarded around ?75,000 in compensation after being effectively | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
abandoned by their local authority and left to bring themselves up. In | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
an exclusive first broadcast interview, Tony Hawkins, who was | :19:42. | :19:45. | |
eight at the time, has asked for an apology. Parents James and Eileen | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
Hawkins died in 1983 from accidental poisoning. | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
It went from being just a normal family, siblings are and fighting, a | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
warm family environment, food on the table, sitting around having our tea | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
every evening, too, overnight, becoming chaotic. | :20:04. | :20:09. | |
Friends and family will join over 1000 officers for the funeral | :20:10. | :20:12. | |
He was killed when he was knocked down while | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
Let's catch up with all the sport now. | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
Here's Tim. Plenty of sport, as ever. We will | :20:21. | :20:28. | |
see how England's cricketers are getting on against Pakistan, a solid | :20:29. | :20:36. | |
start today, they are one - the Rodin. We have some rugby league for | :20:37. | :20:43. | |
you, England doing better than their union counterparts. Lewis Hamilton | :20:44. | :20:45. | |
might be world champion but could not win in Mexico last night, his | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
Mercedes team-mate Nico Rosberg was the winner and we have got the news | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
of a new manager at Aston Villa. And, what is happening to Jose | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
Mourinho? We will show you the test match specialteam's take on his | :20:58. | :21:07. | |
latest post match interview, or lack of one. That is coming up at 10am. | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
Next, we're going to talk about the proliferation of dating apps. | :21:14. | :21:16. | |
There are hundreds of them, from Tinder, which in the space | :21:17. | :21:18. | |
of a few years now has around 50 million active users worldwide, | :21:19. | :21:21. | |
to Grindr for gay or bisexual men, to specialist apps for people who | :21:22. | :21:24. | |
Apps are now the fourth most common way of meeting a partner in the UK. | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
But a leading sexual health consultant | :21:30. | :21:31. | |
is calling for dating apps to do more to promote safe sex messages. | :21:32. | :21:34. | |
Peter Greenhouse claims such sites are fuelling a rise | :21:35. | :21:36. | |
The latest figures from Public Health England show | :21:37. | :21:39. | |
a 33% increase in cases of syphilis, with gonorrhoea up 19%. | :21:40. | :21:47. | |
You should be able to turn over partners a lot quicker with a dating | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
app. The problem is, the quicker you change partners, the quicker you | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
will get into action. But also, if you are very keen to change partners | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
quickly, having a dating app doesn't just tell you that someone is | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
available, it tells you exactly where they are two within the | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
nearest few metres, don't you could even be in a bar, put in your | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
details into the app, swipe this way or that way and find there is | :22:15. | :22:17. | |
somebody on the other side of the bar who is up for it, so that must | :22:18. | :22:26. | |
increase the rate at which you change partners or find new | :22:27. | :22:28. | |
partners, and that in itself has got to increase the risk of sexually | :22:29. | :22:30. | |
transmitted infections. That was Peter Greenhouse | :22:31. | :22:31. | |
from the British Association With the growth of dating apps | :22:32. | :22:33. | |
seemingly showing no sign of abating, Radio One Newsbeat's | :22:34. | :22:36. | |
Rick Kelsey has been asking, His report, | :22:37. | :22:39. | |
which lasts around 14 minutes, James uses dating apps like Grindr, | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
Growlr and Scruff Do you ever think, | :22:43. | :22:50. | |
"I'm spending too much time on 'Love' is probably a bit strong, it | :22:51. | :23:00. | |
is more of a love-hate relationship. I like to see who is going on | :23:01. | :23:11. | |
and what is going on around me but at the same time sometimes it | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
gets very repetitive. I mean, once you've seen it, | :23:16. | :23:24. | |
you've seen them all, kind of thing. James might use apps more than most | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
but the numbers who are swiping, tapping | :23:28. | :23:30. | |
and messaging their way to add date And whether you are looking | :23:31. | :23:32. | |
for love, going out with friends or something more casual, dating apps | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
are a part of everyday life. I think with Happn it's really good | :23:38. | :23:39. | |
because you get to meet people in the same area as you and you are | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
more likely to meet someone who has Everyone just wants to have sex | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
on it! I'm not saying you're | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
desperate but... Now it is basically the best way to | :23:53. | :24:03. | |
meet people, it's sort of got rid But is it just | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
about an easy way to hook up or find someone to have a drink with, or are | :24:08. | :24:18. | |
we addicted to dating? I wish everyone could just fall | :24:19. | :24:20. | |
in love and be happy We might spend three hours waiting | :24:21. | :24:23. | |
for responses or trying to make something happen before realising | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
at the end of those three hours you feel really | :24:29. | :24:29. | |
anxious and uncomfortable. But first, this is Andy, he goes on | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
three or four app dates a week and the fact you're not quite sure what | :24:34. | :24:39. | |
this person is going to be like. I kind of quite like that nervous | :24:40. | :24:46. | |
energy you get before the date. What is it about apps that you | :24:47. | :24:49. | |
like comfort to meeting girls It's just quicker, | :24:50. | :24:52. | |
that's kind of why I started getting I would back myself | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
in three or four hours to certainly You said you liked her | :24:57. | :25:08. | |
and she said she liked you so, Yes, | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
I think we can send her a message. Keep it short and sweet, that | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
seems to work better for myself. One line I use is, "Let's skip the | :25:16. | :25:40. | |
small talk and just go for a drink, I've got some good responses | :25:41. | :25:43. | |
from that one. We'll find out how Andy gets | :25:44. | :25:46. | |
on later. She went to | :25:47. | :25:49. | |
the toilet to freshen up. I saw a rat run across the kitchen, | :25:50. | :25:51. | |
and I killed it. I said, look, I killed a rat | :25:52. | :25:54. | |
for you, I'm a big man. I killed a rat | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
and it happens to be her pet. I once went on a date to the | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
Natural History Museum. And a small child ran into the | :26:03. | :26:04. | |
glass of one of the exhibitions. The guy I was on a date with didn't | :26:05. | :26:07. | |
find it very funny and was very unimpressed that I was | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
laughing and had to leave the room! For James, they are not | :26:13. | :26:15. | |
necessarily about a relationship. I prefer the chase to | :26:16. | :26:18. | |
the actual end product. Where I live is very far out | :26:19. | :26:20. | |
from the country, it takes an hour How often, of all the apps, | :26:21. | :26:26. | |
do you actually take it through to Erm... I've never gotten laid from | :26:27. | :26:32. | |
them. You are on these six, | :26:33. | :26:43. | |
seven hours a day? Because I do sometimes, | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
when I do actually get a decent conversation out of someone, when | :26:48. | :27:11. | |
it's more than just, like, how big is | :27:12. | :27:30. | |
your...? How much can you take? It's kind of like, come on guys, | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
can you get a bit more imaginative? Catch my attention, | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
I'm done with the whole... I should take the hint | :27:39. | :27:40. | |
because there's a massive hint here, a light flashing going, | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
why are you using this? You're obviously not enjoying it | :27:46. | :27:47. | |
but I am at the same time. Do you think there's point | :27:48. | :27:50. | |
when you might say, actually, I'm app dating too much, even though | :27:51. | :27:52. | |
I'm not actually going on dates. So a lot of people use dating apps | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
for meeting new people, going on dates ought to have sex but | :27:58. | :28:04. | |
I've come to meet someone today who uses them not to have a relationship | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
but because of the lifestyle that When Clover goes on dates, | :28:09. | :28:11. | |
she gets given gifts or money. I've had more positive experiences | :28:12. | :28:14. | |
with the opposite sex on that side than I have with people who I went | :28:15. | :28:17. | |
to school with or whatever. I've had enough of guys my age | :28:18. | :28:20. | |
and guys who didn't really have anything to give me, emotionally or | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
physically or materialistically. So I figured I'll give it a go and I | :28:25. | :28:26. | |
actually met some pretty decent guys Lingerie, clothes, jewellery, bags, | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
perfume, stuff like that, I can see you've got a wall | :28:31. | :28:37. | |
of shoes. She uses | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
an app called SeekingArrangement that many women use to meet guys who | :28:42. | :28:42. | |
give them cash or presents. Clover keeps most of what she gets | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
in the bedroom of her parents' What was it about the setup of an | :28:48. | :28:50. | |
app like that that interests you? You know, I think most dating sites, | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
anybody can go on it. They are somewhere | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
in life where they have got what they want materialistically | :28:59. | :29:06. | |
and they just want to have fun now. So talk to me | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
about the benefits of it being on an Because it is with | :29:11. | :29:13. | |
you wherever you go. Say you're going up to London | :29:14. | :29:17. | |
for a day, for a trip or something and you want to meet up in | :29:18. | :29:20. | |
the evening with someone, you can. You can just go on the app | :29:21. | :29:23. | |
and it easy. Because of what you are getting, | :29:24. | :29:26. | |
is there an expectation of sex? But they are usually quite forward | :29:27. | :29:28. | |
with that, You know, because if that's what | :29:29. | :29:31. | |
they want, that's what they want. If that's not what I want, | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
that's not what I'm going to do Yeah, but if they're attractive | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
and whatever If you go on the internet, you can | :29:39. | :29:44. | |
see what people really think about it, they think it's prostitution or | :29:45. | :29:52. | |
something but it really isn't at all because you don't have to do | :29:53. | :29:54. | |
anything you don't want to do. I wish everyone could just fall | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
in love and be happy They always come up with some stupid | :29:59. | :30:01. | |
chat up line, like, hey there, So I would rather just someone would | :30:02. | :30:13. | |
be like, hey, how are you doing? My friend invited me round to his | :30:14. | :30:18. | |
house one weekend to meet a girl She came over, | :30:19. | :30:25. | |
she was a really nice girl so I thought I would open Tinder | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
and see who I could hook up with. So I swiped right for bants | :30:30. | :30:32. | |
and it was a match! So since we last met, I managed to | :30:33. | :30:39. | |
sort myself out with a date tonight, I've just got back from work, | :30:40. | :30:43. | |
popped in the shower, a bit of aftershave on, just walking | :30:44. | :30:46. | |
down to the pub to meet her now. Confident at the same time | :30:47. | :30:50. | |
so fingers crossed it goes well. Hopefully she turns up - | :30:51. | :30:59. | |
you never know, do you! I mean obviously hoping to get | :31:00. | :31:01. | |
on well with her. Maybe a cheeky kiss at the end | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
of the night would be good, I'm not going to set | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
the bar too high. Just take it from there, really, | :31:09. | :31:15. | |
yeah. Andy is waiting for his date to show | :31:16. | :31:20. | |
up - it's a familiar routine and he While Andy is happy to share his | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
dating matches and stories, some Maryam is looking for a husband | :31:25. | :31:29. | |
and uses an app called MusMatch. At the end of the day, there's no | :31:30. | :31:37. | |
point in going on other apps because, you know, obviously I have | :31:38. | :31:41. | |
to marry a Muslim guy and I don't You're still worried about your | :31:42. | :31:46. | |
family finding out you're on an app? My sisters know because they're | :31:47. | :31:56. | |
quite laid back and quite modern, but if my dad realised I was on it, | :31:57. | :32:06. | |
he would be, like, "What the hell?!" I couldn't point blank sit down | :32:07. | :32:10. | |
and say, "Dad, I met my... I don't know, 'the one', | :32:11. | :32:17. | |
on a dating app." I would have to make | :32:18. | :32:19. | |
a story up like, yeah, I met him through a friend of a | :32:20. | :32:21. | |
friend, you know, like, old school. Why do you think it is that Muslim | :32:22. | :32:25. | |
parents are more afraid, if you like, of their daughters or sons | :32:26. | :32:28. | |
being on an app than other people? I think it's society, | :32:29. | :32:31. | |
what are people going to think? And I think, Islamically as well, | :32:32. | :32:34. | |
if you luck at religion, it says you shouldn't really be interacting | :32:35. | :32:37. | |
with a male person because that's when adultery comes in | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
and one thing leads after another. Maryam, | :32:43. | :32:44. | |
do you think that a lot of your I don't know, for some reason it's, | :32:45. | :32:50. | |
like, embarrassing. I'm like literally like, it's not | :32:51. | :32:58. | |
like you're on Tinder or anything. But I've heard a lot about Tinder, | :32:59. | :33:06. | |
that it's going to just pick up girls and it's just, like, | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
you know... It's not used for | :33:11. | :33:12. | |
like the right reasons. I wouldn't put myself on that, | :33:13. | :33:14. | |
obviously not. But MusMatch kind | :33:15. | :33:20. | |
of attracted me because I thought it is a Muslim website, | :33:21. | :33:22. | |
you will get Muslim guys on there. Muslim people with good values, | :33:23. | :33:30. | |
people that are serious But then again, | :33:31. | :33:32. | |
you don't know their intentions. So I met this girl for a date | :33:33. | :33:36. | |
in Plymouth, A really nice Range Rover came | :33:37. | :33:38. | |
shooting by and I said, So I met this girl through an app | :33:39. | :33:50. | |
in New York. And everything was going fine, | :33:51. | :33:58. | |
super, she was amazing. We got chased by a really crazy man | :33:59. | :34:00. | |
and the night ended there So this place might look | :34:01. | :34:03. | |
like a typical Soho barber's but it's actually where people who | :34:04. | :34:20. | |
think they have a problem with The clinic helps hundreds | :34:21. | :34:22. | |
of people each year. We try to make it look | :34:23. | :34:29. | |
as little like a traditional NHS Apps play a crucial role | :34:30. | :34:32. | |
in the lives of young men in 2015. And sometimes they | :34:33. | :34:37. | |
become compulsive. You get sexual affirmations that | :34:38. | :34:38. | |
feel-good when you click this. Some people find themselves | :34:39. | :34:41. | |
fascinated by waiting for So what type | :34:42. | :34:43. | |
of problems have you seen people come into Dean Street and say, | :34:44. | :34:48. | |
listen, I need help with this? They realise they are not enjoying | :34:49. | :34:58. | |
their sex lives, it causes anxiety, or they might spend three hours | :34:59. | :35:02. | |
waiting for responses or trying to make something happen and realising | :35:03. | :35:05. | |
at the end of those three hours they are feeling really anxious and | :35:06. | :35:08. | |
uncomfortable and that's not using We want to support them to make this | :35:09. | :35:10. | |
a functional tool, not a compulsive Back at the pub and the good news | :35:11. | :35:21. | |
is that Andy's date has turned up. He will come in | :35:22. | :35:26. | |
and he's always early, he comes in and he says to me, all right, this | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
is the girl I'm seeing tonight. Then she'll arrive and he'll buy her | :35:31. | :35:33. | |
a drink and I'll give him a bit of a Wink, she's all right, | :35:34. | :35:37. | |
or she's not so good. And then about 20 minutes later, | :35:38. | :35:41. | |
come for a second drink and I'll say, OK, give me a feel, how's it | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
going? So throughout | :35:47. | :35:48. | |
the night I will walk around and if he is successful or not, just | :35:49. | :35:50. | |
before he leaves, he'll give me the thumbs up and the wink and the wave | :35:51. | :35:54. | |
and I know it's on for the night. Very happy, really nice girl, | :35:55. | :35:59. | |
got along well, definitely going to be a second date, I've already | :36:00. | :36:03. | |
sorted it for next week. Yes, looking forward to | :36:04. | :36:07. | |
seeing her again, sure. You two looked pretty | :36:08. | :36:09. | |
content outside? Yeah, I mean, | :36:10. | :36:11. | |
I did get my cheeky kiss! So again, another successful Tinder | :36:12. | :36:14. | |
date for me. I think I'm going to stick | :36:15. | :36:16. | |
at Tinder, Traditional dating is kind | :36:17. | :36:18. | |
of a thing of the past. Do you think you will really | :36:19. | :36:29. | |
find love on a dating app? Who knows, only time will tell, some | :36:30. | :36:32. | |
of my friends have, fingers crossed! Later in the programme we'll be | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
speaking to some people who use dating apps as well as others who | :36:38. | :37:09. | |
have looked into the links between And if you want to watch or share | :37:10. | :37:12. | |
the film you can find it A couple of comments coming in, that | :37:13. | :37:40. | |
guy needs to drop that app. It removes the struggle of seeing who | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
likes you. Another on Twitter, these dating apps are scary, I can imagine | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
people getting into situations they're not comfortable with easily. | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
Another on Twitter says seeing this makes me dmrad I am older than them | :37:54. | :37:57. | |
and was single pre-app. Things seem to have to be instant now. | :37:58. | :38:04. | |
Let's bring you more on that story we mentioned, a five-year-old girl | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
may have been left for sometime in a crashed car alongside the dead | :38:10. | :38:12. | |
driver. Our reporter is here. What else do you know at this stage? | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
Well, emergency crews found the girl in the back of the car in a ditch in | :38:18. | :38:23. | |
Staffordshire around 9. 30am on Sunday morning after being alerted | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
by two cyclists. The man driving the car, the black Ford Fiesta had been | :38:29. | :38:35. | |
there for sometime they believe. The West Midlands ambulance service had | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
said that it was very foggy at the time those conditions very much like | :38:40. | :38:43. | |
today, with the fog that was blanketing. The driver is believed | :38:44. | :38:48. | |
to be 25 years old and a local man. We don't know his name yet and more | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
importantly we don't know how he was related to the five-year-old, the | :38:53. | :38:58. | |
passenger. Staffordshire Police have appealed for witnesses to the crash | :38:59. | :39:03. | |
but at the moment they're trying to establish exactly what happened and | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
what time this happened because as you say, the five-year-old girl was | :39:09. | :39:10. | |
found sometime after this incident happened. Thank you very much. | :39:11. | :39:18. | |
The bodies of more than 140 people who were killed when | :39:19. | :39:20. | |
a Russian plane crashed in Egypt have been flown to St Petersburg. | :39:21. | :39:23. | |
The Airbus A-321 broke up in mid-air before it came down | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
in the Sinai Peninsula on Saturday, according to the head of | :39:29. | :39:31. | |
An investigation into the cause is under way. | :39:32. | :39:40. | |
In the last hour half at a news conference in Moscow, Metrojet | :39:41. | :39:46. | |
airlines has said it was impossible for the plane to break up in the air | :39:47. | :39:49. | |
because of a technical or pilot fault. They've also said the crew | :39:50. | :39:52. | |
didn't make contact with the ground about problems with the plane during | :39:53. | :39:53. | |
the flight. Julian Bray is an aviation analyst | :39:54. | :39:55. | |
and joins us from Peterborough. He has been monitoring the press | :39:56. | :40:03. | |
conference. What else has been said? Well, it's very interesting, isn't | :40:04. | :40:06. | |
it? It started off as a very dull corporate press conference and it | :40:07. | :40:09. | |
sounded to be a justification of what was happening. Then as you got | :40:10. | :40:15. | |
into it, it suddenly became quite exciting in terms of media content | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
because they said something went on out of our control, not normal | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
break-up, there is an outside force. At this point Russian television who | :40:26. | :40:30. | |
had been streaming the conference live suddenly went black and then | :40:31. | :40:35. | |
the conference carried on, the tail apparently was repaired twice. Now | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
that's not unusual, because these things do happen. They detect cracks | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
or whatever so they replace the whole tail section. But it's been | :40:45. | :40:49. | |
replaced twice. It is a leased aircraft, leased from an Irish | :40:50. | :40:52. | |
leasing company. But technically they were giving the aircraft a | :40:53. | :40:59. | |
clean bill of health. But they are suggesting there are dark forces out | :41:00. | :41:02. | |
there and things have happened that are outside their control. | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
Worryingly, they say there were no tick nickical reports or | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
conversations with the aircraft -- technical, so this is cutting to a | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
catastrophic event that cut systems, the smart money is on a device | :41:19. | :41:22. | |
placed on board but that's pure speculation at the moment we will | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
have to wait for the black boxes to be decoded. Right. You would take | :41:28. | :41:33. | |
what they've said from that press conference, outside force being the | :41:34. | :41:36. | |
key phrase, to lead you to believe that there was potentially a bomb on | :41:37. | :41:42. | |
board? We can't rule anything out. Well, we can, we can rule out the | :41:43. | :41:47. | |
fact that it wasn't a missile because you need a big missile to | :41:48. | :41:57. | |
reach that plane and the insurgents locally have shoulder pads, shoulder | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
mounted missiles up to about 14,000 feet, this was flying much higher. | :42:03. | :42:05. | |
So we are confident that didn't happen. But everything else is still | :42:06. | :42:10. | |
there for examination. But the key thing is we want a very factual | :42:11. | :42:15. | |
report coming out of the examination of the black boxes because you have | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
two, you have the voice black box and the data black box. The voice | :42:21. | :42:25. | |
will give you two hours of material and the data will give you a good 24 | :42:26. | :42:30. | |
hours' worth. You will be able to piece together exactly what did | :42:31. | :42:38. | |
happen to that aircraft. Right. How will it be able to piece together? | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
If it was a bomb how will the voice black box and data black box help? | :42:43. | :42:51. | |
Well, these units are designed to withstand extreme trauma, I will put | :42:52. | :42:57. | |
it that way. You will find that there is a part on the right part of | :42:58. | :43:04. | |
the unit in which are data discs and these are like discs that record | :43:05. | :43:07. | |
everything. Like a stack of CDs, if you like. All the data is recorded | :43:08. | :43:11. | |
in there in real-time while the aircraft is still operating. | :43:12. | :43:14. | |
Obviously as soon as it crashes or it stops it just stops operating. | :43:15. | :43:20. | |
Then people recover it, they're taken to a laboratory who have | :43:21. | :43:27. | |
certain diagnostic tools and they will take the data and reconstruct | :43:28. | :43:30. | |
exactly what happens, on the flight deck you will hear all the pilot | :43:31. | :43:34. | |
conversations, co-pilot conversations, any communication | :43:35. | :43:37. | |
with the ground, and it's all on a timeline. We will find out once and | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
for all whether any conversations did take place. Also you will be | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
able to gauge exactly what happened in the cabin areas and other | :43:48. | :43:52. | |
operational areas because every time somebody presses a switch or opens a | :43:53. | :43:56. | |
relay that will actually be recorded on the data stack. Understood. Thank | :43:57. | :44:03. | |
you very much. Lots of you getting in touch about | :44:04. | :44:06. | |
the interview at the beginning of the programme about a family of four | :44:07. | :44:11. | |
orphaned siblings who have been awarded ?75,000 from their local | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
authority, Liverpool, after they were effectively left to fend for | :44:16. | :44:20. | |
themselves growing up almost 30 years ago. Someone on Twitter says | :44:21. | :44:26. | |
heartbreaking but not unique. We should stop trusting corrupt social | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
services. Thank goodness the kids triumphed. John tweets, I thought I | :44:31. | :44:35. | |
had it hard, what an as stonishing story. Someone needs to answer for | :44:36. | :44:38. | |
it. Another on Twitter says I don't | :44:39. | :44:42. | |
think ?75,000 in compensation is nearly enough. Another says what a | :44:43. | :44:49. | |
story, wow. Tim texts to say, the story is the most outrageous thing I | :44:50. | :44:52. | |
have ever heard. Thank you. You know how to get in touch. You can e-mail | :44:53. | :44:58. | |
or message me on Twitter. And on Facebook, as well. Time for the | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
latest weather. Fog really is an issue for lots of | :45:03. | :45:05. | |
people today. It is. A bad issue. At the weekend | :45:06. | :45:13. | |
we saw problems with it too. It's probably atmospheric for Hallowe'en. | :45:14. | :45:16. | |
But look at here at Heathrow and Manchester, we have delays with | :45:17. | :45:18. | |
flights. It's mayhem on roads, as well. It | :45:19. | :45:27. | |
really is dense. It's like thick pea soup as it's often known as. | :45:28. | :45:33. | |
Low tufrp tures and the sun is weak -- temperatures. | :45:34. | :45:40. | |
We had a breeze out there, we wouldn't see problems like this with | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
almost zero visibility in some places. It has been bad. Yesterday, | :45:46. | :45:50. | |
it was bad. But also we saw records being broken. Where it wasn't foggy | :45:51. | :45:56. | |
it was sunny and very warm. The satellite picture behind me, this | :45:57. | :45:59. | |
was yesterday's satellite. You can see where the fog was, showing up | :46:00. | :46:02. | |
clearly here. If I run it through the course of the day it started to | :46:03. | :46:07. | |
break up nicely, it lingered in places where we had very chilly | :46:08. | :46:13. | |
conditions, but in western Wales, no wind and lots of sunshine and 22C | :46:14. | :46:18. | |
and that actually is a November record for the time of year. If I | :46:19. | :46:28. | |
click down, you can see here it was in Wales that saw this, breaking an | :46:29. | :46:34. | |
old record in 1946 which was also set in North Wales. The average is | :46:35. | :46:43. | |
12 so this is almost summer-like. It was a big contrast to 9C in the fog. | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
How long will the fog stick around for? The next few days, but then we | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
pick up more of a breeze. Things will improve. This is the travel | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
board that I have now for the weather, further disruption likely | :46:57. | :46:57. | |
to the airports. That fog isn't going anywhere fast. | :46:58. | :47:05. | |
It is breaking up across parts of Wales and the sot west of England | :47:06. | :47:09. | |
and parts of northern England and the northern half of Scotland doing | :47:10. | :47:13. | |
well at the moment. That fog should get nibbled away from the edges | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
through the course of the morning, into the afternoon, lingering on | :47:18. | :47:23. | |
across central and eastern parts of York, down towards the south-east | :47:24. | :47:29. | |
Midlands. Where it will remain chilly, temperatures just into | :47:30. | :47:32. | |
dibble figures. Some sunshine across the south-east. | :47:33. | :47:37. | |
-- double. We could make 20 again or even higher in one or two locations. | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
We will have to keep tuned to the weather to see with the | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
temperatures. Northern areas the fog will linger on through central and | :47:47. | :47:49. | |
southern Scotland. Northern Scotland doing well into the afternoon. This | :47:50. | :47:53. | |
evening and overnight that fog makes a return to many areas. You will | :47:54. | :47:57. | |
notice more of a breeze picking up across the far south-west as low | :47:58. | :48:03. | |
pressure begins here. It should be fog-free here: High pressure over | :48:04. | :48:15. | |
the continent and barely any wind, it's been the main driving fact | :48:16. | :48:21. | |
Forrest this fog. Heavy rain in Spain and Portugal will move north | :48:22. | :48:27. | |
during the first part of Tuesday. Here quite wet through the day and | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
breezy. Fog-free here. Showers getting to the south-east and the | :48:33. | :48:35. | |
northern half of the country similar to how we have seen yesterday and | :48:36. | :48:41. | |
today. Some fog, some sunshine and a mild day to come. That mild theme | :48:42. | :48:47. | |
continues for the rest of this week. We start off dry with that fog | :48:48. | :48:50. | |
problem but then the fog begins to move as it becomes unsettled and | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
that's because we pick up areas of low pressure and it will turn | :48:55. | :48:57. | |
windier and wetter to the latter part of the week. | :48:58. | :49:08. | |
Hello, it's Monday, it's 10am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire. | :49:09. | :49:10. | |
Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us. | :49:11. | :49:12. | |
How can the adoption process be sped up? Councils will be challenged to | :49:13. | :49:23. | |
double the places of new families. Since 2011 we have seen a 72% | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
increase in the number of children adopted but in the last two years we | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
have seen a fall away of about half the number of children now being put | :49:32. | :49:34. | |
forward to be adopted and part of that is to do with court judgments | :49:35. | :49:38. | |
which have been misinterpreted by councils and others, but also we | :49:39. | :49:42. | |
need to try to bear down on the delay that is still taking place | :49:43. | :49:47. | |
when trying to match children. We will speak to parents who have been | :49:48. | :49:50. | |
through the process about the changes they would like to see, | :49:51. | :49:53. | |
and, as always, get in touch with your experiences. | :49:54. | :49:56. | |
Shaker Aamer's home from Guantanamo Bay - but how is he | :49:57. | :49:59. | |
We'll be talking to two people who've met him since his return. | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
He does look a lot more than 14 years older than those pictures and | :50:04. | :50:08. | |
I am sure that is confluence of his detention. He does look older but | :50:09. | :50:14. | |
what was really striking is that same smile that you see in the | :50:15. | :50:19. | |
pictures is absolutely there, and the warmth of his personality | :50:20. | :50:24. | |
absolutely beams through. The determination, I think that is | :50:25. | :50:26. | |
exemplified by what he did on the flight on the way back. | :50:27. | :50:31. | |
And with hundreds of ways of meeting people online, I'll we becoming | :50:32. | :50:34. | |
addicted to dating apps? A leading sexual health | :50:35. | :50:37. | |
consultant tells us they should The bodies | :50:38. | :50:39. | |
of more than 140 people killed in a plane crash in Egypt have been | :50:40. | :50:50. | |
flown home to St Petersburg. The Metrojet Airbus crashed | :50:51. | :50:53. | |
on Saturday in the Sinai Peninsula after taking off | :50:54. | :50:57. | |
from the Egyptian Red Sea resort At a press conference in Moscow this | :50:58. | :51:05. | |
morning, the airline said it would have been impossible for the plane | :51:06. | :51:08. | |
to break up in midair because of a technical or pilot pulled. -- pilot | :51:09. | :51:14. | |
fault. Thick fog is causing widespread | :51:15. | :51:16. | |
travel disruption across the UK Passengers have been left stranded | :51:17. | :51:18. | |
with many flights cancelled or Foggy conditions are expected to | :51:19. | :51:23. | |
continue throughout the morning. The Met Office has issued | :51:24. | :51:27. | |
a weather warning In Turkey, the governing AK party | :51:28. | :51:40. | |
has scored a convincing victory in yesterday's Parliamentary elections, | :51:41. | :51:42. | |
winning back the majority it lost just five months ago. | :51:43. | :51:45. | |
Our correspondent Mark Lowen is in Ankara. | :51:46. | :51:48. | |
Was this a surprise? It was, no opinion poll had pointed | :51:49. | :51:56. | |
to such a convincing victory for the AK party, but what they have managed | :51:57. | :52:00. | |
to do is capitalise on fears of insecurity and violence in recent | :52:01. | :52:04. | |
weeks after a ceasefire with PKK Kurdish rebels broke down in July, | :52:05. | :52:09. | |
sparking a wave of violence which consumed south-eastern Turkey, and | :52:10. | :52:13. | |
it is that, three separate bomb attacks blamed on is it said, which | :52:14. | :52:17. | |
have contributed to the climate of fear and insecurity, which rallied | :52:18. | :52:21. | |
supporters behind the AK party to bring it back to a majority | :52:22. | :52:24. | |
Government, which it had lost in June. Among the opposition, though, | :52:25. | :52:29. | |
there will not be any cause for celebration. They fear that an | :52:30. | :52:34. | |
emboldened AK party Government will go even further towards | :52:35. | :52:37. | |
authoritarianism which he has demonstrated in recent years, that | :52:38. | :52:44. | |
clamp-downs on freedom of expression will continue and that Turkey will | :52:45. | :52:48. | |
continue its isolation from its allies. Real fears and splits now at | :52:49. | :52:52. | |
the heart of Turkish society, but, like all open, president and again | :52:53. | :52:56. | |
is been manned the West have to do business with -- President Taylor | :52:57. | :53:03. | |
Bird again. Turkey is a vital country in this region and that is | :53:04. | :53:07. | |
why he knows he has the support of his people, he knows he has a strong | :53:08. | :53:12. | |
position to go on and move Turkey forwards, but there will be | :53:13. | :53:15. | |
turbulent times ahead after the election. | :53:16. | :53:22. | |
A man orphaned at the age of eight has called for an apology from his | :53:23. | :53:26. | |
local authority after being abandoned and left to bring himself | :53:27. | :53:33. | |
up. Tony Hawkins and his three siblings have been awarded ?75,000 | :53:34. | :53:38. | |
in compensation after his parents died in 1983 from accidental | :53:39. | :53:42. | |
poisoning. We started pursuing these files | :53:43. | :53:45. | |
seven years ago and they have repeatedly fobbed us off, it | :53:46. | :53:50. | |
borders, and even after the award they have never directly approached | :53:51. | :53:55. | |
us with an apology to say, we failed, we don't know why, but we | :53:56. | :54:02. | |
hope it never happens again. The Australian Prime Minister | :54:03. | :54:05. | |
Malcolm Turnbull has abolished the awarding of Knights and Dames under | :54:06. | :54:09. | |
the honour system in the country. It was reintroduced in 2014 by his | :54:10. | :54:14. | |
predecessor, Tony Abbott. The controversial decision to grant | :54:15. | :54:17. | |
Prince Phillip a knighthood in January was widely seen as one of | :54:18. | :54:20. | |
the factors which ended his term as leader. | :54:21. | :54:22. | |
Friends and family will join over 1000 officers for the funeral of | :54:23. | :54:25. | |
He was killed after being knocked down by a pick-up truck while | :54:26. | :54:29. | |
Let's catch up with all the sport now and join Tim again. | :54:30. | :54:37. | |
Yes, the cricket this morning, including Test Match | :54:38. | :54:50. | |
We'll bring you that in a minute, but first to events in Sharjah where | :54:51. | :54:54. | |
it's day two of the third and final test between England and Pakistan. | :54:55. | :54:57. | |
England are batting as they try to chase down Pakistan's | :54:58. | :55:00. | |
And they suffered an early setback - Moeen Ali out after scoring just 14 | :55:01. | :55:04. | |
But Alastair Cook and Ian Bell looked to have settled in nicely. | :55:05. | :55:10. | |
This six from Bell the highlight of the morning session. | :55:11. | :55:16. | |
After lunch, though, the partnership was broken. | :55:17. | :55:23. | |
Cook out just one run short of his 50. | :55:24. | :55:25. | |
And it's got worse for England since then. | :55:26. | :55:27. | |
Joe Root, so often the hero, out shortly afterwards for just four. | :55:28. | :55:30. | |
There's a couple of stories to bring you from yesterday evening too, | :55:31. | :55:43. | |
including a great win for England's rugby league team last night, | :55:44. | :55:45. | |
as they beat the world's number one side New Zealand in Hull. | :55:46. | :55:50. | |
Skipper Sean O'Loughlin's late try helped secure a 26-12 | :55:51. | :55:52. | |
victory in the first of three matches between the two sides. | :55:53. | :55:55. | |
The second test is at London's Olympic stadium on Saturday. | :55:56. | :55:59. | |
And Nico Rosberg won the Mexico Formula One Grand Prix, | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
beating his Mercedes team mate and newly-crowned world champion | :56:04. | :56:05. | |
It was Rosberg's fourth win of the season and lifts him up | :56:06. | :56:09. | |
Aston Villa are expected to announce Remi Garde | :56:10. | :56:17. | |
as their new manager today, having sacked Tim Sherwood last week. | :56:18. | :56:20. | |
Garde played for Arsenal in the 1990s, and was part | :56:21. | :56:22. | |
of Arsene Wenger's squad that won the league and cup double in 1998. | :56:23. | :56:26. | |
More recently, he's been manager of French club Lyon, and has also | :56:27. | :56:29. | |
Villa, who are bottom of the table, play Spurs | :56:30. | :56:37. | |
And if the newspapers are to be believed, Chelsea may soon be | :56:38. | :56:42. | |
With his team currently struggling, Jose Mourinho refused to speak to | :56:43. | :56:46. | |
the press after last week's defeat to West Ham. | :56:47. | :56:49. | |
He did turn up this week following another loss, | :56:50. | :56:51. | |
and it's catching, if the Test Match Special team are anything to go by! | :56:52. | :57:12. | |
Lets get the thoughts of Geoffrey Boycott. I have got nothing to say. | :57:13. | :57:19. | |
First time ever, I have got nothing to say. England must be more | :57:20. | :57:23. | |
attacking in their batting? Ours but nothing to say. Phil, good to see | :57:24. | :57:29. | |
you, you look and fraud by the play. England in a decent position? I have | :57:30. | :57:33. | |
got nothing to say. But when you look at the outfield and the pitch, | :57:34. | :57:37. | |
will it last five days? Nothing to say. There you have it, the thoughts | :57:38. | :57:45. | |
of Phil Tufnell, Michael Vaughan and Geoffrey Boycott, who had nothing to | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
say. Which is rare, the Geoffrey | :57:50. | :57:53. | |
Boycott! They did a very good impression of Jose Mourinho, who | :57:54. | :57:57. | |
really needs to grow up, doesn't he? | :57:58. | :57:59. | |
He is not a happy boy at the moment, he has never been put under | :58:00. | :58:03. | |
this kind of pressure in his whole career, he was at Porto, Inter | :58:04. | :58:07. | |
Milan, Real Madrid, winning things, even when they were not playing well | :58:08. | :58:10. | |
they were towards the top of the table, but Chelsea have lost so many | :58:11. | :58:15. | |
games this season, and as defending champions, so it has been a shock. | :58:16. | :58:19. | |
He has blamed the referees and everyone else, it has been frosty, | :58:20. | :58:23. | |
that is how the BBC website describes the interview, a frosty | :58:24. | :58:27. | |
interview, and he walked out halfway through, which is why you saw | :58:28. | :58:30. | |
Michael Vaughan take a walk as well! He is not happy, and he is in | :58:31. | :58:35. | |
all of the newspapers, the back pages covering potential replacement | :58:36. | :58:39. | |
for him. We are still not sure whether he will be staying or going | :58:40. | :58:42. | |
from Chelsea. Fabio Capello one of the papers | :58:43. | :58:46. | |
suggesting is keen to take over. Thank you for joining | :58:47. | :58:52. | |
us this commentary morning. Welcome to the programme if you've | :58:53. | :58:54. | |
just joined us - we're on BBC Two Lots of you getting in touch about | :58:55. | :59:02. | |
our film on dating apps. Lydia says, you are being very critical on | :59:03. | :59:06. | |
dating apps. I don't think we are being that critical. She said two | :59:07. | :59:10. | |
off her friends were married using dating apps. Another viewer says she | :59:11. | :59:20. | |
met her partner on a dating app, you 60 and she is 54 so it is not just | :59:21. | :59:24. | |
for young people. Another getting married to someone she met on a | :59:25. | :59:28. | |
dating apps next year. Congratulations. | :59:29. | :59:28. | |
Do get in touch on the usual ways. Texts will be charged | :59:29. | :59:30. | |
at the standard network rate. And of course you can watch | :59:31. | :59:33. | |
the programme online wherever you are via the BBC news app or | :59:34. | :59:35. | |
our website, bbc.co.uk/victoria, and you can also subscribe to all | :59:36. | :59:38. | |
our features on the news app, by going to 'add topics' and | :59:39. | :59:41. | |
searching 'Victoria Derbyshire'. How can | :59:42. | :59:43. | |
the adoption process be speeded up? David Cameron's due to | :59:44. | :59:45. | |
announce new measures today. As well as cutting red tape, | :59:46. | :59:47. | |
English councils will be challenged to double the number | :59:48. | :59:49. | |
of children placed with new families The average wait for children | :59:50. | :59:52. | |
before they move in with their new family is 17 months, which the | :59:53. | :00:02. | |
Government says isn't fast Edward Timpson is the | :00:03. | :00:04. | |
Children's Minister. We have seen a 72% increase of the | :00:05. | :00:16. | |
children adopted but in the last few years we have seen a 4 way of the | :00:17. | :00:19. | |
numbers of children being put forward to be adopted, partly | :00:20. | :00:26. | |
because of court judgments being misinterpreted by councils, but we | :00:27. | :00:28. | |
also need to bear down on the delay is taking place with matching | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
children. We need to try to get them in their placement earlier through | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
something called fostering for adoption, or concurrent planning, | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
and we have seen 500 children benefit from that this year but we | :00:40. | :00:42. | |
think councils could do better, and the challenge for them today is to | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
double those figures so that more children go into their loving, | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
stable family homes more quickly and get all of the benefits we know that | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
can bring. Hugh Thornbery is Chief Executive | :00:51. | :00:51. | |
of Adoption UK. Karen Goodman worked for over 35 | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
years with children's adoption as a social worker and now is | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
professional officer at the British Greg adopted | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
a young boy six years ago and just a few years ago he discovered that | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
he was himself also adopted. He doesn't want us to use | :01:05. | :01:07. | |
his surname to protect And 'Paul' adopted three sisters | :01:08. | :01:09. | |
aged two, three and four in 2013. We have changed his name and we're | :01:10. | :01:16. | |
blurring his face to also protect Greg, how long did the process take | :01:17. | :01:28. | |
for you? The actual adoption process to be approved took about six months | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
which was a fairly good time. I think we were lucky in terms of the | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
court date at the to be rubberstamped, it fitted in with the | :01:39. | :01:41. | |
six months. If you miss that date, or the court might not be sitting | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
for another couple of months, so you sort of miss out on that. But the | :01:46. | :01:51. | |
process was ridiculous in terms of the social worker would come out for | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
the first visit, and would ask you lots of questions. Then go away and | :01:56. | :02:01. | |
a month back, would come back and ask you the same questions to myself | :02:02. | :02:07. | |
and my partner at the time but why couldn't they have asked us on the | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
first visit? We had lots of visits and then they wanted to see our | :02:14. | :02:17. | |
birth daughter, why not see my birth daughter on the first visit, as | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
well? It delayed it and delayed it. I felt this six-month process could | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
easily have been brought down to two months. Paul, from beginning to end | :02:26. | :02:32. | |
how long? From beginning to end, to the point our children were living | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
with us was four months. So that is really quite speedy. Incredibly | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
quick. How did your social workers manage that when we are told the | :02:43. | :02:49. | |
average is about 17 months? We were identified very, very early on at | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
our preparation group for a group of three that we were looking for and | :02:55. | :03:00. | |
the match was made very, very quickly for us. Ours was sped up to | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
make sure that we were at the point of being ready for adoption, | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
approved and matched for when my eldest, who would have been four at | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
the time, was then able to go to school from September. So we were | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
pushed through at a very quick rate so that we had time of our daughters | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
in August to form that initial bond so she was ready to start with the | :03:24. | :03:30. | |
rest of her school in the September. So, yeah, it was incredibly quick. | :03:31. | :03:38. | |
OK. Let's bring in Hugh Thornbery today. The measures today, all | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
adoption services to be merged into regional bodies so children can be | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
matched more quickly. How much, if that all happens, how much will it | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
speed up the process? Speeding up the process is important we know | :03:55. | :03:56. | |
delay is harmful for children and we have seen the process improve over | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
the last couple of years. So decisions are taken in a more timely | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
way. However, we have seen a big drop-off in the number of children | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
for whom adoption is the right decision, so we have had an | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
overreaction to court cases placed in September 2013 which have led to | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
a big drop in the number of children coming forward to adopt and some | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
measures announced today aim to tackle that which is a good thing. | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
OK. Do you think it's a good thing for the process to be speeded up, | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
Karen Goodman? Nobody wants to see delay but there are concerns that | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
the process will just be looked at from a perspective of speed, rather | :04:33. | :04:38. | |
than thoroughness and making sure that the assessment processes are as | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
indepth as they must be and that children are placed in their | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
absolutely the best and correct placements and that doesn't | :04:47. | :04:49. | |
necessarily involve speed. Do you accept the point that he felt he was | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
being asked the same sorts of questions on several visits from | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
Greg? Greg will have seen one part of the process, from his | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
perspective. But meanwhile the social worker is doing a number of | :05:01. | :05:06. | |
other checks, making inquiries, talking to different people, | :05:07. | :05:08. | |
organising panels, preparing reports for panels. It's a long and | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
complicated process. He will just see one part of that. He did | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
experience the same questions being asked. Yes. Sometimes you have is to | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
ask things a few times. Do you? Yes, it's very important that the process | :05:23. | :05:30. | |
is given the time to mature. Did your answers change Greg when you | :05:31. | :05:32. | |
were asked the same questions? Not really. I understand there has got | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
to be, what potential adopters have to realise is the fact that just | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
because they ring up whoever the local council, whether they're | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
thinking of adopting, doesn't mean the following week they'll get a | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
child. If you get approved doesn't mean you can't pull out of that | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
process. Yes, it's a waste of time, but if you are not ready to adopt, | :05:53. | :05:57. | |
then don't adopt. I think with the case of my son, my son was taken | :05:58. | :06:04. | |
into care on his first day of birth. He was with the same Foster parents, | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
fantastic Foster parents for 18 months. He had an amazing 18 months | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
with these. But there was a, will he go back to the birth mother, will he | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
go out for adoption? It wasn't a case of me being approved or not | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
because we ended up with him further down the process. It was a case of | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
he was put into care and kept in care because they weren't sure was | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
he going to be adopted or go back to the birth parents? It was clear from | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
day one he was never going to go back to the birth parents. There is | :06:35. | :06:41. | |
that delay, as well. What do you, in terms of becoming an adopted parent | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
what are the criteria? Well, it's very broad. We managed to dispel a | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
lot of the myths about who can't adopt. The important thing is that | :06:50. | :06:55. | |
people have the right motivation, that they have the capacity, the | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
capability to parent well and one of the things we must not forget is 71% | :07:00. | :07:04. | |
of children adopted from care have been seriously abused before coming | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
into the care system, they will have needs that will endure for years. | :07:08. | :07:10. | |
The right support needs to be there to support the parents adopting | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
them, and parents also need to understand that these children | :07:16. | :07:17. | |
aren't general run of the mill children, they do have issues that | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
come from their past abuse and will need careful parenting to help them | :07:22. | :07:23. | |
move on. Thank you all very much. He was determined to leave | :07:24. | :07:32. | |
Guantanamo Bay with his integrity intact and he has absolutely done | :07:33. | :07:34. | |
that - the words of one of of the doctors who treated Shaker Aamer | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
hours after he landed in Britain. The 48-year-old British resident was | :07:39. | :07:41. | |
held at the US detention facility for nearly | :07:42. | :07:44. | |
14 years without charge of trial David Nicholl, | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
a consultant neurologist, told us that Mr Aamer was given an | :07:50. | :07:52. | |
overdose of a strong anti-malaria drug when he first arrived | :07:53. | :08:00. | |
at Guantanamo Bay - even though Mr Nicholl, who has campaigned | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
for Shaker Aamer's release, explained what condition he was | :08:04. | :08:12. | |
in when he first met him. When I met him I was really struck | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
by his very positive demeanour. Just, not surprisingly, | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
absolutely over the moon to see us. What was just striking, | :08:22. | :08:23. | |
he sat us all down and just said, I need you to picture that I've | :08:24. | :08:33. | |
just arrived from Mars and, because you need to understand that really, | :08:34. | :08:46. | |
he has a complete lack of faith in all the health care professionals | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
he met in Guantanamo, to the extent that, and this is really, my jaw | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
dropped hearing this, he hadn't eaten or drunk | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
at all, all the way from Guantanamo. All this talk about being in a posh | :09:00. | :09:01. | |
jet flying back at the taxpayer's expense, that was actually the level | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
of determination of this man. The first thing he wanted to do was | :09:06. | :09:07. | |
to get back and see a doctor and have tests and investigations | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
to make sure he was fit and well. And also he felt, I'm expressing | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
his view here, he felt that he had been poisoned or things had been put | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
in his food over the years and he really wanted to establish any | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
evidential basis for the torture he had experienced through health | :09:26. | :09:35. | |
care professionals, which just Was the reason he didn't eat or | :09:36. | :09:36. | |
drink on the plane, on the journey No, I think it was more, he wanted | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
to present himself in a way in which nothing had been touched, that | :09:43. | :09:53. | |
the evidential trail was clear. That no one could argue that anyone | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
had tinkered with the evidence It might seem crazy, | :09:59. | :10:00. | |
but everything about Guantanamo is crazy and that was his passionate | :10:01. | :10:12. | |
and absolutely firm held belief. Equally, I have to say, | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
it's like all these things in a doctor-patient relationship, you're | :10:16. | :10:17. | |
trying to explain what is reasonable So what I did say to him, | :10:18. | :10:20. | |
because this is in the public record, it is known that | :10:21. | :10:29. | |
when prisoners arrive at Guantanamo, that it was standard operating | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
procedure that they were given overdoses of a drug called Mephaquin | :10:33. | :10:34. | |
which is an antimalarial drug. It's a very controversial drug, it | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
has been associated with psychosis None of the soldiers, | :10:38. | :10:39. | |
no one else arriving in Guantanamo He was actually surprised I knew | :10:40. | :10:46. | |
that but I said that, if we were to measure Mephaquin, | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
we wouldn't detect it now He may have that belief | :10:53. | :10:54. | |
but he just wants to have every investigation and possible almost | :10:55. | :10:59. | |
as a medical legal matter to Hence not wanting to contaminate | :11:00. | :11:06. | |
his body, if that is the right word, on the plane, | :11:07. | :11:21. | |
by eating or drinking anything. Just on the Mephaquin, | :11:22. | :11:23. | |
the antimalarial, is there any risk I only heard about this | :11:24. | :11:26. | |
about a year ago. There was a freedom of information | :11:27. | :11:29. | |
request to get these details. There is no reason at all to | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
give someone Mephaquin in Cuba. Essentially, | :11:33. | :11:41. | |
there is no malaria in Cuba. Staff, military staff that have come | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
from the same regions as these detainees came from, | :11:47. | :11:52. | |
were not given Mephaquin. None of | :11:53. | :11:54. | |
the soldiers were given Mephaquin. And the dose they were given was | :11:55. | :11:57. | |
essentially five times the therapeutic dose | :11:58. | :12:00. | |
so highly likely to produce really What would be the motivation | :12:01. | :12:03. | |
from a medical professional's point of view to give someone Mephaquin | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
when there is no reason to? And really questions should be | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
asked about who wrote that policy. Well, you may recall, | :12:12. | :12:20. | |
this was in the news recently, about It can be a very useful drug | :12:21. | :12:28. | |
in malarial areas. Can I ask you what Shaker Aamer | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
looked like? The thing is, he does look quite | :12:35. | :12:49. | |
different to the photographs you have seen already and that is | :12:50. | :12:52. | |
because he is 14 years older. So he does look | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
a lot older than those pictures. And I'm sure that's a consequence | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
of his detention, basically. What was really striking was that | :13:00. | :13:01. | |
same smile that you see in the And the warmth | :13:02. | :13:09. | |
of his personality absolutely beamed And I have to say the determination, | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
and that is exemplified by what he You can actually see, he is probably | :13:15. | :13:22. | |
a bit of a pain in the ours! But that's actually what got him | :13:23. | :13:28. | |
through. And I suppose in that, | :13:29. | :13:29. | |
we are both quite similar! We've contacted the US Department of | :13:30. | :13:42. | |
Defence to comment on those claims We can talk now to Clive | :13:43. | :13:44. | |
Stafford-Smith, Shaker Aamer's Can you give us an insight into his | :13:45. | :13:58. | |
state of mind? David Nicholls said it all. Shaker is Shaker. He is | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
indomitable and he maintains his sense of humour. It was lovely to | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
talk to him. It's such a joy to have a conversation with him here in | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
Britain as opposed to in Guantanamo Bay. It's reported that he is likely | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
to receive ?1 million in compensation from the British | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
Government. Is that true and if so what is that for? Well, I don't | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
know, that's not what I do. I am only licensed in America so I don't | :14:25. | :14:30. | |
have anything to do with what happens here in Britain. We will | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
certainly be suing the United States and I can tell you with almost 100% | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
certainty he won't receive anything at all from the Americans, for 14 | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
years of torture and 14 years of detention without trial. Because of | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
all these absurd legal rules that say that the Government can set up a | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
rule that you can't sue them, no matter what they do to you. I think | :14:52. | :14:57. | |
it's really important we bring that litigation as a matter of principle. | :14:58. | :15:05. | |
With the extent of potentially what happened to Shaker Aamer at Bagram | :15:06. | :15:10. | |
before being transferred to Cuba where it's alleged a British | :15:11. | :15:13. | |
intelligence officer witnessed his head smashed against a wall, do you | :15:14. | :15:21. | |
need a public inquiry for the extent of those allegations being made by | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
Shaker Aamer to come out? That's the key, frankly Shaker's big interest | :15:28. | :15:32. | |
in all of this is not that people should pay money although I dare say | :15:33. | :15:35. | |
they probably ought to if you have been tortured all that time and it's | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
not that people should be prosecuted or persecuted or whatever, he is | :15:42. | :15:47. | |
absolutely firm that there needs to be an impartial and transparent | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
inquiry because he says, look, we can't undo what what's happened to | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
me but we can try to make sure that in future the rules are in place | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
that other people don't have to go through this. You know, we sort of | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
totally lost sight as a nation and certainly the United States did too | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
of what our values are if we were really involved in all of that | :16:07. | :16:09. | |
torture in Bagram. Thank you very much. | :16:10. | :16:17. | |
We'll bring you coverage of the funeral for PC Dave Phillips, | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
knocked down and killed by a pick-up truck while on duty on Merseyside. | :16:22. | :16:27. | |
And there's been an explosion of online dating apps, | :16:28. | :16:30. | |
but a leading sexual health consultant has told us he wants | :16:31. | :16:33. | |
dating apps to do more to promote safe sex messages after a rise | :16:34. | :16:36. | |
The manager at a Metrojet airline in Russia has denied the Airbus plane | :16:37. | :16:57. | |
could have broken in midair over Egypt because of technical or pilot | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
error. But a Kremlin spokesperson has warned against speculating over | :17:03. | :17:09. | |
the course of the crash. The bodies of some of the people killed in the | :17:10. | :17:16. | |
crash have been flown home to St Petersburg. | :17:17. | :17:18. | |
Aviation analyst Julian Bray listened to what was said. | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
They are suggesting there are dark forces out there and things have | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
happened outside of their control. Worryingly, there are no reports of | :17:29. | :17:40. | |
conversations with communications, so the smart money is on a device | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
placed on board but that is pure speculation at the moment. We will | :17:45. | :17:47. | |
have to wait for the black boxes to be decoded. | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
Thick fog is causing widespread travel disruption across the UK | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
Our correspondent Daniel Boettcher is at Heathrow Airport. | :17:54. | :18:00. | |
How bad is it? At this airport they are waiting for | :18:01. | :18:10. | |
the folk to believe did, -- waiting for the fog to be lifted, 10% of | :18:11. | :18:16. | |
flights have been cancelled. Stansted say they have no problems | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
and are taking diverted aircraft from other airports. Gatwick have | :18:21. | :18:28. | |
low figures for us. There are problems at Belfast, Cardiff, | :18:29. | :18:31. | |
Southampton, and it is not just the UK, the fog is causing problems in | :18:32. | :18:34. | |
airports including Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Brussels as well. This is | :18:35. | :18:40. | |
the second day the fog has caused problems and it means an aircraft | :18:41. | :18:43. | |
and crews are out of position, causing more difficulties. There is | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
still a weather warning in place from the Met office at the moment. | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
We are told the fog is expected to start clearing later this morning, | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
but at the moment it is causing problems not just for the flights | :18:57. | :18:59. | |
but motorists as well, and they are being advised to allow extra time, | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
to slow down and keep distance from the traffic in front. | :19:05. | :19:05. | |
Thank you very much. A man who was orphaned at the age | :19:06. | :19:08. | |
of eight has called for an apology from his local | :19:09. | :19:11. | |
authority after being abandoned Tony Hawkins and his three siblings | :19:12. | :19:13. | |
have been awarded around ?75,000 in compensation after his parents | :19:14. | :19:23. | |
died We started pursuing these files | :19:24. | :19:24. | |
seven years ago and they have repeatedly fobbed us off, ignored | :19:25. | :19:30. | |
us, and even after the award they have never directly approached | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
us with an apology to say, "We failed, we don't know why, | :19:35. | :19:37. | |
but we hope it never happens again." Figures from the worlds | :19:38. | :19:45. | |
of entertainment and sport have joined a cross-party | :19:46. | :19:47. | |
campaign for increased funding of Over 200 names have signed an open | :19:48. | :19:50. | |
letter to the Government, calling for mental health to be given the | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
same priority as physical health. Let's catch up with all | :19:55. | :20:02. | |
the sport now and join Tim. Thank you, here are the main | :20:03. | :20:06. | |
sporting headlines: England's cricketers are battling to | :20:07. | :20:09. | |
save the series against Pakistan. On day two of the third | :20:10. | :20:11. | |
and final Test, they're currently Joe Root, Alastair Cook and | :20:12. | :20:14. | |
Moeen Ali the men out. Former Arsenal player Remi Garde | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
will be announced as Aston Villa's He'll be in the stands as Villa, | :20:20. | :20:21. | |
who are bottom, take on Spurs New Zealand may have won | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
the rugby union world cup but their rugby league team, who are | :20:27. | :20:37. | |
also ranked number one in the world, A great victory completed | :20:38. | :20:40. | |
by captain Sean O'Loughlin try. And it was victory for Nico Rosberg | :20:41. | :20:44. | |
in last night's Mexico formula one He finished ahead of his Meredes | :20:45. | :20:47. | |
team mate and newly-crowned world champion Lewis Hmailton, and is now | :20:48. | :20:54. | |
up to second in the drivers' The funeral will take place later | :20:55. | :20:56. | |
today for PC Dave Phillips. The 34-year-old, | :20:57. | :21:04. | |
who had two children, was knocked down and killed by a pick-up truck | :21:05. | :21:07. | |
while on duty on Merseyside. Our correspondent Ben Brown is | :21:08. | :21:10. | |
outside Liverpool's Anglican cathedral, | :21:11. | :21:13. | |
where the service is taking place. What is happening at the moment? | :21:14. | :21:26. | |
Well, it is a faulty, chilly morning in Liverpool, and at the Anglican | :21:27. | :21:32. | |
Cathedral, inside there now, the choir of them Greater Manchester | :21:33. | :21:35. | |
Police force are rehearsing, they will be sinking during the service. | :21:36. | :21:40. | |
2000 seats have been set out, it is expected by the family there will be | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
2000 mourners here to remember the life of PC David Phillips. About | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
1000 of those will be police officers, not only from here in the | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
Merseyside police force but officers from right around the country will | :21:55. | :21:57. | |
be coming here to pay their respects to this officer, 34-year-old Dave | :21:58. | :22:04. | |
Phillips, killed in the Line Of Duty standing on the central reservation | :22:05. | :22:09. | |
in the early hours of Monday the 25th of October, when he was hit by | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
a pick-up truck and killed. He leaves a widow, Jen, and two young | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
daughters, Abigail, who is seven, and so the, just three. One man has | :22:20. | :22:25. | |
been charged with murder in the wake of that, he will face trial in due | :22:26. | :22:33. | |
course in Preston. Two other people have been charged in connection with | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
the death as well but today is about remembering the life of PC David | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
Phillips and remembering the bravery of police officers every day they go | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
on duty. The reverend leading the service is a priest from the Wirral | :22:46. | :22:52. | |
who was a family friend of the Phillips family and has said that | :22:53. | :22:55. | |
every time a police officer goes on duty, they are putting their lives | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
at risk for the good of society. He said that today is about celebrating | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
what was good about Dave Phillips' life. There will also be tributes | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
from his sister, Hannah, during the service. She said shortly after he | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
was killed that two girls have been left without a daddy, her mum and | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
dad have been left without their only son, their oldest child, and | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
she and her sister left without the Big Brother who always kept an eye | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
on them. There will also be a Bible reading from Dave Phillips' best | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
friend and a tribute from the Chief Constable of Merseyside, Sir John | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
Murphy. As the cortege moved through the city centre, people from across | :23:39. | :23:43. | |
Liverpool are expected to line the streets to remember him and also, of | :23:44. | :23:46. | |
course, Hezbollah officers here on Merseyside. | :23:47. | :23:48. | |
Can the explosion of online dating apps be linked to the recent rise | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
A leading sexual health consultant has told us he | :23:54. | :23:56. | |
wants dating apps to do more to promote safe sex messages. | :23:57. | :24:02. | |
Plans to give the Government more power to find out what we're looking | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
at on the internet will be published by the Government this week. | :24:07. | :24:09. | |
Our political guru Norman Smith can explain more. | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
This matters because it is about what power was the state house to | :24:15. | :24:21. | |
snoop on its citizens, on you and me, to look at what we write in our | :24:22. | :24:25. | |
e-mails, to look at what we are looking at on the Internet, to take | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
a peek at the text messages we send. The Government's view is that | :24:31. | :24:36. | |
the security services now need to move from the era of the telephone | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
to the digital era, because, at the moment, the security services can | :24:43. | :24:45. | |
monitor who I am calling on the blower, how long I speak to them, | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
and, if they want to know what I am saying, they can apply for a warrant | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
to listen to my conversations. What the Government is proposing is the | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
same for the digital it were. So, for example, here are my e-mails. | :24:58. | :25:02. | |
The state in the form of the police and security services will be able | :25:03. | :25:12. | |
to see who I am sending e-mails to, when I sent them, but if they wanted | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
to see what I had written they would have to apply for a warrant, | :25:16. | :25:17. | |
similarly we look at the Internet, here we have the Guardian front | :25:18. | :25:20. | |
page, they would be able to see I have visited the Guardian site but | :25:21. | :25:23. | |
if they wanted to know what pages I had visited on it or what I had | :25:24. | :25:30. | |
searched on it, they would have to apply for a warrant. That is the key | :25:31. | :25:35. | |
thing, a warrant. Who will decide whether the security services should | :25:36. | :25:38. | |
have a warrant? There are two arguments, should it be the | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
politicians or the judges? If the politicians decide, the argument in | :25:44. | :25:46. | |
favour of allowing politicians to decide if it is accountable, if a | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
bomb goes off and a politician has not granted a warrant, they can be | :25:52. | :25:54. | |
summoned before Parliament to explain why they have not done that. | :25:55. | :26:00. | |
It is also more practical, if there is a fast-moving terrorist situation | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
where security services need access to someone's e-mail quickly it is | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
easier to get hold of the Home Secretary than to wake up a judge in | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
his country home or something like that. It is also argued that it is | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
just more appropriate, more transparent to have a politician | :26:19. | :26:21. | |
because everyone knows who they are, but they don't always know who a | :26:22. | :26:24. | |
judge is. The argument in favour of judges is | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
that it is independent of the political process, and many | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
politicians take the view that politicians should not have any role | :26:34. | :26:39. | |
in deciding who snoops on us, it needs to be absolutely independent, | :26:40. | :26:43. | |
so there is no crossover at all with the world of politics. It is also | :26:44. | :26:48. | |
argued that granting a warrant is a legal process so obviously should be | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
left to a judge. Lastly, foreign judges do this already. In the | :26:54. | :26:56. | |
United States, warrants are granted by judges, but that is where the | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
real argy-bargy is, who should decide who gets a warrant? Should it | :27:02. | :27:07. | |
be the Home Secretary or a judge? Depending what answer Theresa May | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
comes up with, it may well determine whether this legislation goes | :27:13. | :27:15. | |
through, because many MPs are absolutely adamant they do not want | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
her hands on this at all. They want it to be a judge, and if she says, | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
no, I must have a role, then it is possible the Government will be | :27:25. | :27:26. | |
defeated. I think it will be introduced on | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
Wednesday, the legislation. Will we find out definitively what answer | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
she has on Wednesday? Yes, we will. My gut instinct is we | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
will get a hybrid compromise from her, which will involve, yes, | :27:41. | :27:46. | |
judges, but also involve the Home Secretary. My feeling is what we are | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
likely to see is that the initial request for a warrant would go to | :27:51. | :27:53. | |
the Home Secretary because it would have to be taken quickly, so she | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
could do that, but then that decision would be subject to a | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
review by judges, in other words judges would have to take a look at | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
her decision and say, yes, that is OK, no, it is not OK. The many | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
politicians, that is not good enough, they want her out of the | :28:11. | :28:14. | |
picture altogether, but my sense is she is reluctant to do that | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
primarily because of argument of accountability and the need to act | :28:20. | :28:22. | |
quickly. She does not want the security services left waiting | :28:23. | :28:27. | |
trying to get hold of a judge in the middle of the night. | :28:28. | :28:29. | |
Thank you very much, Norman Smith at Westminster. | :28:30. | :28:31. | |
This morning we've been talking about the proliferation | :28:32. | :28:33. | |
Their use has exploded over the last few years from Tinder, which is | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
the most popular one in the UK, to Grindr for gay or bisexual men. | :28:38. | :28:40. | |
There are now hundreds of them and, in a relatively short space of time, | :28:41. | :28:44. | |
they've become the fourth most common way of meeting a partner. | :28:45. | :28:46. | |
But a leading sexual health consultant | :28:47. | :28:48. | |
is calling for dating apps to do more to promote safe sex messages. | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
Peter Greenhouse claims such sites are fuelling a rise | :28:53. | :28:54. | |
The latest figures from Public Health England show | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
a 33% increase in cases of syphilis, with gonorrhoea up 19%. | :28:59. | :29:08. | |
You should be able to turn over partners are a lot quicker with a | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
dating app. The problem is the quicker you change partners, the | :29:14. | :29:17. | |
more likely you are to get infections, you don't have to be a | :29:18. | :29:20. | |
rocket scientist to work it out. Also, if you are keen to change | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
partners quickly, having a dating app does not just tell you if | :29:25. | :29:26. | |
somebody is available but exactly where they are to within the nearest | :29:27. | :29:31. | |
few metres. You could be in a bar, put in your details into the app, | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
swipe this way or that way and find somebody on the other side of the | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
bar who is up for it, so that must increase the rate at which you | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
change partner or find a new partner, and that in itself has got | :29:45. | :29:46. | |
to increase the risk of sexually transmitted infections. | :29:47. | :29:48. | |
With the growth of dating apps seemingly showing no | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
sign of abating, Radio 1 Newsbeat's Rick Kelsey meets some people who | :29:52. | :29:54. | |
His report contains some base language. | :29:55. | :30:29. | |
Do you ever think you are spending too much time on this? I preferred | :30:30. | :30:36. | |
the chase. How often do you take it through to the end point? Actually | :30:37. | :30:45. | |
getting laid? Yes. I have never gotten laid from one. So you are on | :30:46. | :30:56. | |
these 46, seven hours a day... Window shopping. You look | :30:57. | :31:05. | |
surprised? I am, a little bit! I should take it as a massive hit, a | :31:06. | :31:10. | |
red light, white using this if you were not enjoying it? But I am, at | :31:11. | :31:15. | |
the same time. I have had enough of guys my age had nothing to give me | :31:16. | :31:19. | |
physically, emotionally or materialistic, so I thought I would | :31:20. | :31:22. | |
give it a go and there are some pretty decent guys. | :31:23. | :31:29. | |
Clover uses an app called Seating Arrangement which many women use to | :31:30. | :31:34. | |
meet guys who will give them presents. She keeps much of what she | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
is given in a room at her parents' house. Look at this! What is in the | :31:39. | :31:47. | |
bag? All kinds of stuff, girl stuff, lingerie, clothes, jewellery, bags, | :31:48. | :31:52. | |
Perkins, stuff like that. What is it about the setup of an app like that | :31:53. | :32:00. | |
that interest you? It was not for chavvy people, most apps anyone can | :32:01. | :32:04. | |
go one but this one has a standard, they are where they want to be in | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
life and just want to have fun now. Because of what you are getting, is | :32:09. | :32:14. | |
there an expectation of sex? Sometimes, sometimes. But they are | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
usually quite forward with that, they usually say it straightaway, | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
because of that is what they want, it is what they want. But if it is | :32:23. | :32:26. | |
not what I want, it is not what I will do because it is not what I | :32:27. | :32:32. | |
want. Marianne uses a dating app to look | :32:33. | :32:35. | |
for specific men, giving her control in the search for a husband. There | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
is no point using other apps because I have two marry a Muslim guy, and I | :32:41. | :32:47. | |
don't want to be wasting my time. I thought I would give it a try. Try | :32:48. | :32:54. | |
my luck, see what happens! You are worried about your family finding | :32:55. | :32:58. | |
out you were on an app? Yes, my sisters know because they are laid | :32:59. | :33:03. | |
back and modern. But if my dad realised I would on there, he would | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
be like, what the hell?! I could not say, dad, I have met my 'the one' on | :33:08. | :33:18. | |
a dating app, I would have to make a a story, I met him through a friend | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
of a friend, old school. You can watch that story on the | :33:23. | :33:23. | |
radio ones big website. Let's talk about this some more with | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
Cary James, who is an expert in sexual health at the | :33:29. | :33:31. | |
Terrence Higgins Trust, a charity which promotes awareness of HIV | :33:32. | :33:33. | |
and sexually transmitted diseases. Er. What do you think of this link? | :33:34. | :33:54. | |
There's reasons why sexually transmitted diseases are on the rise | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
It's said there is a link between the rise and the rise in dataing | :33:58. | :34:06. | |
apps and the use of them? I think we had a major problem with chlamydia | :34:07. | :34:15. | |
before the apps start the. The behaviour of people on the apps is | :34:16. | :34:18. | |
down to the individual. It's also about where do they learn how to | :34:19. | :34:24. | |
navigate their own sexual behaviour? I think it's a real indication of | :34:25. | :34:30. | |
the lack of sexual health information in schools and the kind | :34:31. | :34:35. | |
- it's not compulsory in schools. If people don't know when they start | :34:36. | :34:40. | |
having romantic relationships how to protect themselves and have a | :34:41. | :34:42. | |
healthy sex life it's very difficult to navigate it once they've already | :34:43. | :34:50. | |
had their sexual debut. I don't know why that would even explain the | :34:51. | :34:54. | |
reasonable rise in STIs in the last year. I think there is a lot of | :34:55. | :34:58. | |
reasons around subgroups. It's quite complicated. The thing that | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
smartphone apps have changed is how sexual networks are created. Let's | :35:04. | :35:07. | |
say in the old days people would go to a bar or nightclub and that was | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
where their sexual network was based, in the late 90s that changed | :35:12. | :35:17. | |
to websites. Now it's changed again. Every time there is this change in | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
how people meet sexual partners there is this questioning how can we | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
use tools to better educate people. This is the latest way this has | :35:28. | :35:32. | |
happened. Sure. I still don't understand why there might be a rise | :35:33. | :35:36. | |
in certain STIs because of a link with dating apps as opposed to | :35:37. | :35:39. | |
meeting in a bar, what's the difference? I think if you look at | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
the research they're talking about they're saying that people, | :35:45. | :35:47. | |
especially the ones from America, they're saying people on dating apps | :35:48. | :35:54. | |
are more likely to have an STI. Using a dating app is the quickest | :35:55. | :35:57. | |
way to find sexual partners so people that want to find multiple | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
sexual partners and find it in a quick and effective way are drawn to | :36:02. | :36:05. | |
that. That group could well be the same group that would have had high | :36:06. | :36:09. | |
levels of STIs before, they're using a new platform. So they already had | :36:10. | :36:18. | |
before they began using the app. This is the latest way they've found | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
they can find those partners. In terms of the lack of relationship | :36:23. | :36:26. | |
and sexual education in schools that you talked about at the beginning, | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
that seems to have been an issue in schools in this country for years | :36:31. | :36:35. | |
and years. Are you saying it's still not detailed enough for teenagers? | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
Absolutely not. There was a recent poll that showed four out of five | :36:41. | :36:44. | |
young people would like to have sexual relationship education in | :36:45. | :36:47. | |
schools but at least a third of schools aren't providing good | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
quality SRE. That's why the trust continues to campaign that on sex | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
and education be compulsory in all schools and it's age spes fk and | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
starts before the time that people start having romantic relationships. | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
It is up to teachers to do that rather than mums and dads? I think | :37:05. | :37:08. | |
mums and dads have a definite role. Teachers have a definite role. I | :37:09. | :37:13. | |
think community organisations like the trust can also support these | :37:14. | :37:17. | |
structures in order to get the information on there, talk about how | :37:18. | :37:20. | |
to have these conversations in a meaningful and impactful way. Thank | :37:21. | :37:28. | |
you. Tell us if you can hear a similarity | :37:29. | :37:32. | |
between the lyrics in these two tracks. | :37:33. | :37:40. | |
# The players gonna play and the haters gonna hate | :37:41. | :37:49. | |
# I am gonna shake, shake, shake it off | :37:50. | :38:00. | |
# Haters gonna hate # Players gonna play | :38:01. | :38:11. | |
# That was Taylor swift and another | :38:12. | :38:32. | |
song you might never have heard of by Jesse Braham. He is suing Taylor | :38:33. | :38:37. | |
Swift are to 27 million for allegedly stealing the lyrics. He is | :38:38. | :38:53. | |
singing haters gon hate. It's the way he sings it. It's a slow jam. He | :38:54. | :39:00. | |
sings haters gonna hate. They're two key phrases from that massive Taylor | :39:01. | :39:08. | |
Swift song. He has said that he has copyright of those lyrics and is now | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
suing her for around ?27 million. It's tricky ground for him to be | :39:13. | :39:18. | |
suing her on this basis. Why? When it comes to lyrics there's very | :39:19. | :39:21. | |
different things in copyright law. It has to be original. There has to | :39:22. | :39:25. | |
be a substantial amount of the song that you have copied and it has to | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
be actually copied. There is no similarity in the song. Musically. | :39:31. | :39:36. | |
And a phrase like haters gonna hate, that's not an original phrase. | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
That's been used in hip hop since the 90s or something. Whether he | :39:41. | :39:44. | |
does have a claim, I mean, obviously in America things can go to court | :39:45. | :39:47. | |
and then you are at the mercy of a jury who might decide against Taylor | :39:48. | :39:52. | |
Swift, you never know. But at the moment it doesn't - it's shaky | :39:53. | :39:58. | |
ground for him to go on. Also, he started off asking for a writing | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
credit. And a selfie and he got turned down for that. Now he is | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
going, like, full steam ahead with wanting this amount of money. Maybe | :40:07. | :40:09. | |
Taylor's record company should have said of course you can have a selfie | :40:10. | :40:15. | |
with her! But they kind of dismissed him effectively, now he has got even | :40:16. | :40:19. | |
crosser? Yeah, we have - they've made no comment. From the interview | :40:20. | :40:24. | |
he has given he said that he asked for a writing credit and they said | :40:25. | :40:28. | |
you have no claim. They're not commenting on it. Thank you very | :40:29. | :40:33. | |
much. Lots of you have got in touch this | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
morning to comment on our interview with a man who was orphaned at the | :40:38. | :40:43. | |
age of eight and effectively he and his three siblingings were abandoned | :40:44. | :40:46. | |
by the local authority and left to bring themselves up because their | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
parents died and they were awarded ?75,000 in compensation recently | :40:51. | :40:53. | |
from Liverpool City Council and are asking for an apology from the local | :40:54. | :40:56. | |
authority. He has called Tony Hawkins and he told us about his | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
upbringing after his mum and dad died from accidental poisoning. It | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
went from being just a normal family, siblings arguing and | :41:08. | :41:10. | |
fighting and a very warm family environment, food on the table, all | :41:11. | :41:17. | |
sitting around having our tea of an evening, to overnight just becoming | :41:18. | :41:24. | |
chaotic. James quickly with that responsibility and the pressure for | :41:25. | :41:30. | |
him became too much. His life went quickly downhill. Clare went to live | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
with a distant family member, I say distant, one not close to us and | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
within a week was back with us. She had learning disabilities so she | :41:41. | :41:47. | |
struggled. For Stephen and I we were straightaway put in a position where | :41:48. | :41:50. | |
we had to fend for ourselves, we realised it was down to us. We were | :41:51. | :41:54. | |
only kids and we would have conversations like, can you feel | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
that pain in your stomach? Like, yeah, it was hunger. What were you | :42:00. | :42:07. | |
eating? There was nothing. The dog biscuits was, that's all there was | :42:08. | :42:11. | |
in the kitchen so I would nibble on dog biscuits. If there was bread I | :42:12. | :42:16. | |
would put something like vinegar or anything else normally in the | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
cupboard, and we would repeatedly walk into the kitchen and open | :42:21. | :42:23. | |
cupboards knowing there was nothing there to eat. Tony Hawkins talking | :42:24. | :42:29. | |
earlier. Steve e-mailed to say their case cannot have been unique, I was | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
in a bedsit at 15, I was left to fend for myself. I ended up with six | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
months in custody, remember leased before my 16th birthday. There was | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
no school and I ended up on a YTS for the unemployed. Another tweet, | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
pursuing a negligence claim will force the council to give the | :42:49. | :42:51. | |
answers they're holding back from giving. Louise e-mails to say, I | :42:52. | :42:56. | |
feel for Tony and his siblings having no answers. I have memories | :42:57. | :42:59. | |
of being in different homes when I was young but those memories are | :43:00. | :43:03. | |
blurred. I can't get answers either. It makes me feel like a part of my | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
childhood doesn't actually exist. I feel frustrated and I need the | :43:08. | :43:10. | |
answers for closure. This text says, I am a practising | :43:11. | :43:16. | |
social worker and I am dismayed by the ?75,000 in compensation to this | :43:17. | :43:20. | |
family. 30 years ago social work was in a very different place. | :43:21. | :43:23. | |
Thankfully all public services have evolved and children and the public | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
are much better protected. I am disgusted this compensation claim | :43:29. | :43:31. | |
seems to be purely financial driven and has resulted in the council | :43:32. | :43:34. | |
paying the equivalent of two years' salary of a social worker that will | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
result in children already at risk today receiving fewer resources. On | :43:40. | :43:46. | |
the programme tomorrow we meet some people who defected from North | :43:47. | :43:49. | |
Korea. Thank you very much for your company today. Have a good day. We | :43:50. | :43:52. | |
are back tomorrow at 9. 9.15am. | :43:53. | :44:00. |