30/10/2015 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's Friday, it's 9.15, I'm Joanna Gosling,

Britain's last remaining detainee at Guantanamo Bay, is released.

I can confirm he is on his way back to the UK and he will arrive in

Britain later today. That was the Home Secretary,

Philip Hammond, announcing We'll bring you the latest

on this developing story. Also ahead - the abuse scandal at

Winterbourne View leads to changes in the way those with learning

difficulties are cared for. Numbers

of hospital beds will be halved to We'll discuss if it'll work and

if there's enough funding. New laws come in to change the way

health professionals report signs of female genital mutiliation - we have

a special report highlighting the At the moment, we are seeing 40 a

week. But that is growing. Welcome to the programme,

we're on BBC Two and the BBC News We are bringing you the breaking

news that the last British detailing at Guantanamo Bay has been released.

We will bring reaction throughout the morning. We are keen to have you

get in touch with us. Texts will be charged

at the standard network rate. Shaker Aamer is flying back to the

UK right now. after 13 years in detention at the

Guantanomo Bay detention centre. We heard he'd left

a US military base in Cuba, heading This release at last,

after a long campaign, many appeals Shaker Aamer was arrested

in 2002 after maintaining he was He has never been charged or put

on trial. He has four children and has

permission to live indefinitely in We've been following

his story here on the programme. Last week we heard from him

about his hopes for freedom. His thoughts were relayed to

his lawyer inside Guantanamo Bay His words are spoken for him -

and just to warn you, I am not getting my hopes up about

being back in the UK. I will believe it when I get there. There have been

so many false promises over the years. They told me over eight years

ago I was cleared to leave and here I am, still here. 239 is my prison

number and they always call me buy it. I am not sure I would know to

respond to anything else. Like my name, Shaker. I have known nothing

about the real-world for more than 13 years. I am grateful to people

supporting me in the UK, including MPs, well-known people. I hear you

are offering to take on my hunger strike. Be careful, hunger strike is

not fun. It is not easy to hurt yourself. I am not in good shape but

I do not trust medical staff an inch. I told them I cannot tell the

difference between you and the ones, when the Americans took me to

Bagram. I know one thing about you, you just follow orders. Not

instructions for a patient. You want me to trust you, take off the

uniform and let me meet you in the room, where the guards are not

listening into everything I say. You want me to trust you? If I ask for

medicine and let me have it, rather than saying the rules and orders do

not allow it. The prison has not gone back to a mass hunger strike

yet, but that might happen. There are seven men who are on long-term

hunger strike. Some people in camp six reject one meal a day in

protest. The authorities said they will reinstitute searches because

somebody hit something in private parts. That is not true. It is

because there are new escort teams and they are going back to making

the same mistakes, which they made in the past. Having that forced down

your throat and pulled out twice a day is horrible. I have not been

force-fed for a while, but I still have a phantom sensation of the

tube. It feels like it is always there. It is a mistake to think

people here hate Americans. Many of the detailing these here hate the

American government, but even the hard-core people here are thankful

of what people like the lawyers are trying to do -- detainees. I heard

said once by an American, I love my country, it is my government I don't

trust. Even Americans sometimes feel the same way. There is not a lot to

read here, these days. I have been reading Good Housekeeping magazine.

I am trying to do yoga. It makes me feel young, at least for a little

while. I cry when I read about all the people who are trying to help

me. All of you people have helped me to feel that I am not all alone. I

read Inferno by Dan Browne. They called that struck. The worst

sickness to hit the world is denial. The only solution is justice. All I

have asked for is justice. Hate me. Only be just. Everybody, they have

helped the whole world and thereby helped themselves.

He and his supporters doubted he would be released but he is on his

way back. It has been a long process. He was held at Guantanamo

Bay over 13 years. Initially captured in Afghanistan in 2001 and

was then handed to the Americans and transferred to Guantanamo Bay in

2002. US documents allege he was a close associate of Osama Bin Laden.

That is something he has always denied. He said he went to

Afghanistan to do charity work. He was never charged, never face trial,

and there has been a campaign to free him. The announcement he would

be released came on the 25th of September. There was a 30 day period

during which US Congress could review the decision. When Shaker

Aamer was told about that decision in September, he told this programme

through those letters that he was not getting his hopes up because he

had been told he would be freed twice before, and since 2007 there

had been two occasions he was cleared for release by US presidents

and it did not happen and now it has and we have the confirmation from

Philip Hammond. It is not clear what will happen when the aircraft lands,

somewhere near London. We expect he will be reunited with his family. He

is married, he has a British wife, four children. His youngest child

has never met him. His supporters say it will take a long time for him

to recover, physically and emotionally. Again in those letters

we heard extracts from he spoke about having to readjust, from being

prisoner number 239 to being himself again. We can talk to one of those

who has campaigned for his release. Andy Worthington is director of the

campaign group Stand With Shaker. Thank you for joining us. I spoke to

you a couple of weeks ago and he did not believe this would certainly

happen. What are your thoughts now? I am delighted, of course. It is

almost 14 years since he lost his liberty to the United States. All

those years without charge or trial. It is a day for justice he is

finally being freed. He was cleared first in 2000 seven, per release,

why has it taken so long? It is appalling to think eight years ago

the US authorities said they did not want to hold him and it has taken

all this time. One thing that happened over several years was they

were wondering whether they could return him to his country of birth,

Saudi Arabia, rather than the UK, where his British wife and children

live and where he was given leave to remain. I've don't think that was

something that would have been acceptable, but it was discussed. I

think he was held because he was going to embarrass them. That is a

sign how fundamentally lawless Lantana is. There is no process of

being released that isn't political, so they decided to hold him because

he is eloquent and outspoken. He has always resisted the injustices of

the war on terror and told the authorities that loudly and

repeatedly and they feared he would embarrass them if release. It is a

sad state of affairs. We have just been hearing his words, spoken for

him by N actor. He has been on hunger strike, what condition will

he be in? We understand he is not very well. We had an analysis by an

independent medical expert who came away with a shopping list of

complaints, physically and mentally, ailments he has. Mentally he always

sounds buoyant. I am sure he will do what he can. The adjustment is going

to be difficult after so many years. The physical problems he has

will have to be addressed immediately and I am hoping he will

be left in peace to get the medical care and psychological care he

needs. Has he been aware of the level of support he has had? I think

he has been told that by his lawyers on visits, whenever his lawyers have

been able to get information to him, they have made it clear. I

think he knows. I do not know whether within Guantanamo Bay he

would be clear how much it has been discussed at such a high level. This

has gone up to the Prime Minister. Guantanamo Bay is such a closed

place, it is easy for people to get trapped in there and forget about

the outside world. I am sure he will be delighted to hear what has been

happening. How and why did you get involved? I have been involved in

the campaign to" Alamo Bay for almost 12 years -- Guantanamo Bay. I

wrote about it as an independent researcher for a book. I concluded

it was a terrible mistake and the majority of people held were bought

the bounty payments and the majority had nothing to do with any military

activity or terrorism absolutely. I became involved in the campaign to

try to get British prisoners released because that was something

I could do by being here in the UK. And so the campaign for Shaker Aamer

has gone on and it has taken the most extraordinary pressure to get

this point when he is coming home. What do you say to people who say he

could not have been held this long if he is an innocent man? The

problem is Guantanamo Bay is a place where guilt was presumed that the

moment of capture. It is profoundly shocking to realise what they did

was they tortured and abused prisoners so they would make false

statements incriminating each other. That is the bottom line. It is not

just true in the case of Shaker Aamer. This is a story repeated over

and again. I don't mean to say they have not had a handful of people

accused of terrorism, that is true, but it is an extremely small number.

They have had hundreds of people held who are accused of being

involved with the Taliban, but also over the years there have been

people swept up because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time

and because the US was paying bounty payments to Afghan and Pakistani

allies. A significant amount of money to hand over people they could

dress up as Taliban or Al-Qaeda. Clearly that happen to a majority of

people held. They were not captured by the United States on the

battlefield as we were told by the George Bush administration. Some

people getting in touch with the programme are asking why Britain

should have supported him in the way they have, he is not British? He was

given permanent leave to remain. His wife and children are British. The

obligation is on this country to fulfil its obligations. I do not

think there is any question the United Kingdom was in any position

to abdicate its responsibilities. Finally, you describe the condition

you expect him to be in. You say he has been upbeat. Will he be able to

reintegrate into society having been incarcerated for so long? I am sure

the process of him adjusting to society is going to be difficult in

so many ways. He has always struck me, and you will have heard from his

words, as somebody who is capable of standing up for himself and will

want to talk about what has happened to him, want to be involved in not

just getting to go his family, but finding out all that he has missed,

working to get Guantanamo Bay closed and free people still held there. He

will be carrying the scars of the damage inflicted on him. A period of

adjustment I am sure is going to be required to put pieces back together

again. Thank you very much, Andy

Worthington. Thanks for joining us today -

still to come. The abuse scandal at

Winterbourne View care home leads to changes in the way we care for those

with learning difficulties. We'll discuss if they will work

and if there's enough funding. And a police force trials asking

victims report crimes on Skype. It's hoped to put more bobbies

on the beat, but is it a sign of The Foreign Office has confirmed

that Shaker Aamer, the last British resident held

at Guantanamo Bay, has been released The 46 year old has been held

in the the military prison in Cuba since 2002 but has never been

charged or put on trial. Human rights campaigners have

welcomed his release. It is nearly 14 years since Shaker lost his

liberty to the United States. All those years without charge or trial.

It is a day for justice that he is finally being freed.

The NHS has announced that the number of hospital beds

in England for people with learning disabilities

NHS England is shifting them from specialist hospitals to being

The move is in response to the abuse scandal exposed by the BBC

A 16-year-old boy is due to appear in court in Aberdeen today,

charged in connection with the death of another boy who was

The first talks bringing together all foreign powers backing rival

sides in Syria's civil war are getting

The talks will seek to close the gap between the US and

the Syrian government, Russia and Iran.

Police have arrested a second teenage boy in connection

with the investigation into alleged data theft from TalkTalk.

A 16-year-old boy from Feltham in South West London was arrested

on suspicion of Computer Misuse Act Offences.

Victims of crime are being asked to talk to police on Skype instead of

having officers visit their home. The trial launched by Cambridge

police in Peterborough on Wednesday aims to provide more flexibility for

victims as well as allowing better response times.

Let's catch up with all the sport now.

Good morning. Talking gymnastics this morning because Great Britain

have been rewriting the history books at the world Championships.

Both the men's and women's teams won their first-ever team medals this

week, silver and bronze respectively, and 16-year-old Ellie

Downey, after falling off her very first apparatus on the way to a

bronze medal, which was the uneven bars, she regained her composure

over the next apparatus. It was her decisive vault that ensured a podium

finish for the women's team. We will be speaking to her big sister Vicky,

who is also in the women's team -- Becky. Chelsea's former team Doctor

Eva Carneiro will be seeking a claim against the club for constructive

dismissal. It revolves around the first game of the season when

manager Jose Mourinho criticised her and the head physio John Fearn when

they dealt with a player injury. Eva Carneiro was dropped from first-team

duties. As we understand it's Chelsea have been served with legal

papers this week. The head of world rugby has said that this was the

biggest and best tournament ever, we will hear more from him later in the

morning and what he says the tournament has generated, record

profits. Let's bring you a statement from the human rights legal charity

Retrieve on the release of Shaker Aamer who is currently on his way,

heading to England, due to arrive at around 1:30pm, having been released

from Guantanamo after 14 years. The strategic director of Retrieve has

put out a statement saying, we are delighted to Shaker is on his way

back home to his family here in the UK. It is long past time. Shaker

needs to see a doctor and get time to spend alone with his family as

the. We're talking

about the sensitive issue of female There were more than 1,000 new

recorded cases of female genital mutilation

in England between April and June. It is illegal in the UK and it is

illegal to take someone abroad to And from tomorrow if someone

like a doctor, a nurse or a social worker suspects

a girl under 18 has suffered FGM Until now these there was a just

a duty to tell social services. The hope being that this will deter

the practice and could lead to the Our reporter Catrin Nye has been to

meet women who have survived FGM. As you might expect her film coming

up contains frank and graphic If you've got young children

with you watching you might The film is seven minutes long

if you don't want to watch it. Female genital mutilation consists

of partial or total removal Part of the genitalia

in women are cut, removed, sutured. It usually happens in a group

of girls. It varies according

to tribal custom. They are pinned down

by family members they trust, The labia minora, the labia majora

andclitoris is totally removed. And then

the residual tissue is sewn across It is left with a small opening

and sometimes not even a matchstick Through which

the woman is capable of passing It is something I have to live

with the rest of my life. And hence again why I don't

want anyone else hearing another Leyla had FGM in Somalia

as a child before moving to the UK. It wasn't until she had a baby

she found out it wasn't normal. FGM has been illegal in the UK

since 1985. But no one has ever

been convicted it. Seeing this for the first time,

at medical lectures, I have had people being sick in the

audience because it was too much. In many countries in Africa,

FGM is the norm for women. Exact figures on female genital

mutilation in the UK are impossible A recent study estimated 127,000

women who come to live in England and Wales are living with

the consequences of FGM. Another 10,000 girls are

likely to have had it. Now if a girl under 18 comes

into this north London hospital or any hospital,

and the staff see or are told she Teachers and social workers will

also have to report to police. Campaigner Leyla has

come to speak to staff. Gayle and Amina run a specialist FGM

clinic. If another member of staff sees FGM

they will tell these specialists. At the moment we are seeing 40

a week. Especially with

the current awareness, I guess, How do you feel

about the fact that now, rather than contacting social services

if you see a child with FGM, you are I have been saying to health

professionals, you shouldn't feel anxious about reporting

because it supports you. already if you discover a girl who

is under 18 who has had FGM. This is a medical environment

and there is confidentiality Do you worry about people seeing

you as an arm of the police? No,

if you are under 18 you are a child, We are here to support the women

and be an advocate for the women. The thing that worries me is that

for the first time, we are really cutting right across

the principle of confidentiality for Junior and even senior doctors are

deficient in their knowledge So without extensive re-education,

I don't think this is really going Do you think your attitude

is slightly defeatist? Why do you think some health-care

professionals, experts in FGM, I think it comes

down to not really understanding how You would report to me

if I took my daughter to the hospital and her arm or finger was

cut off, you would have to report me, so why is that any different to

when her genital is cut off? I want to ask that health

professional who is resistant to It is an offence in the UK for any

person, whatever their nationality, to perform FGM here, assist a girl

to perform FGM and to assist FGM It is also an offence for a UK

national or resident to perform FGM abroad or assist

a girl to perform FGM abroad. It is now also an offence to fail to

protect girls at risk of FGM, which carries a maximum sentence

of seven years in prison. This applies to parents

and guardians of the girl. If this works, how would you feel

if and when you see this first I would

like to see cutters go to prison. I mean, if I had to be very honest,

because for cutters, they know the implications that they

are causing on these girls. And I think by having a cutter being

put away, it will send a big message to the practising community,

but also cutters out there. And

if you see a parent go to prison? I would be very sad about it,

because especially if it was a mother, because I know the mother

is also a victim of this. The child always has to come

first in this situation. The hope for those who back this

change is it helps prevention sending out a stronger message FGM

is not acceptable. Most of all these

specialists say they want people to stop hiding the problem

so women can get help and stop The sad thing is there are probably

children out there who have suffered harm that we are not going to know

about, And there may be children out there

suffering from those complications and the

parents are afraid to come forward because of the possibility of being

convicted, and that is even sadder. To those mothers I say it is

your duty to protect You don't want to see

your child going through pain, Lots of you getting in touch. Karl

on Facebook says, it must stop, it horrifies me. Bernie says, thanks

for this information, I never had a proper explanation of what happened

before. Utterly horrifying and inhuman. I don't know how it can be

policed or stopped but keep up the publicity. This one says, nobody

with Shaker Aamer being released, but let's remember, it is the US

that took him, not us, so I do not expect to hear that we will pay him

compensation. May says, this is disgraceful, he should be going back

to Afghanistan. It will be interesting to see how much he has

cost our country and how much he and his family will cost us. Darren

says, how can Shaker Aamer not be bitter after being held in

Guantanamo? If not, you must be strong. This one says, he is not

British, he is a Saudi. His release to this country will cost a

fortune. Always good to hear from you.

There are to be very big changes in the way the NHS treats

and cares for people with learning disabilities and autism.

Within three years, NHS England will cut by half the

The money saved will then be spent on creating community facilities -

that is, helping people to stay out of institutions.

This move is a response to the abuse scandal at

Winterbourne View - where a BBC Panorama investigation exposed the

physical and psychological abuse of people with learning disabilities.

It might seem unbelievable now, but this is how we used to look after

Locked up in what were called asylums up and

down the country, often with little chance of ever being let out.

I've been asked to tell you just a little about this new plan

After the Second World War the NHS was created,

and by the 1970s asylums and long-stay hospitals were closing,

with the idea of better services in the community being born.

But many with learning disabilities were still placed

in large residential hospitals or homes, often miles away

There were a series of scandals; in Cornwall in 2006, in London,

and perhaps most shockingly Winterbourne View in 2011.

The BBC programme Panorama sent an undercover reporter into

Patients were being kicked and slapped.

In the end Winterbourne View was closed.

11 staff were convicted, six went to prison.

The government promised things would change, but deadlines and targets

were missed, and even now thousands with learning disabilities

and autism are still being cared for in those large residential homes.

At the last count 3,230 in England alone.

Well, campaigners want much more community care.

Individual flats like this one, on residential streets with support

It's an idea NHS England now says it will put into practice

And after decades of failure, can people with learning disabilities

and their families now really trust the authorities to get it right?

Let's talk to Karen Flood, who is Co-Chair of the National Learning

Disability Board and has learning disabilities herself and Bill who

also has learning disabilities - they're in Liverpool.

And in the studio Sir Stephen Bubb - who led a review into the future

of services for people with learning disabilities

and Ray James, President of the Association of Directors of

Adult Social Services who consulted on these NHS England plans.

Thank you for joining us. Bill, you spend 25 years in an institution

from the age of 28, what was your experience? It was as if you did not

exist. You did not feel human. You did not feel you existed. It was

just... It was like living in hell. What was it that made you feel like

that? It was the way the staff treated you. They treated you like

you were... You did not exist. They knew they could do whatever they

wanted and there would be no comeback. What sort of things did

you experience? One of the main things was, which happened to me,

worse when we were going for showers. The staff would put a knot

in the towel. When you were coming out of the shower, they would whip

you. Why would they do that? Because they liked doing it. They got away

with it. They got away with it. Nobody would do anything about it.

They could abuse and nothing would happen. How did you react? I got to

the point where I started using my fists. I decided if I wanted to get

anywhere, I needed to become as non-feeling as they did. I cut all

feelings. I became what they were. It was not a nice site. -- sight.

You were nodding as Bill was talking. Does he describe situations

you have heard time and again? Yes because some people who have told me

what has happened in the past, like if they wanted a meal, they had to

fight with each other. Or who is the quickest to get to the table? That

is not right. Also, inspections, I have done them, I met a gentleman

tied to a chair. When I came to see him one time he was tied to a

wheelchair. The gentleman was deaf, could not see, could not do anything

for himself. When I asked to see his bedroom, the support was not there

to help him turn over. He was put in a straitjacket in his bed. That is

not life. That happened a good few years ago. People think things got

better, things never got better. There is abuse still going on today.

The only way it will get better is by us all working and supporting

each other. This is why we want our people out of these places. Because

they have a right to have a life like everybody else, to live in the

community, to have the support they deserve. They have never committed a

crime. We seem to give the wrong people the support. We seem to give

paedophiles, sex offenders more support than we give our own people,

and victims. Things have got to change, it has got to get better. In

2014, you wrote a report criticising the care people receive and called

the change. Why has it taken so long? It is a very good question. My

report was clear about the need to close these is and scale up to

Trinity prevention. It is the -- community prevention. What has been

a dismal failure, is after the Winterbourne View scandal there is

still the same number of people, nothing has happened. I think the

plan announced today by NHS England stars have... It will deliver the

closure of institutions and the scaling up of community provisions.

We may get a turning point. There will be scepticism from families and

people with learning disabilities because of failures in the past. I

think we have the plan and we may see institutions closed. They are

going to close the biggest NHS hospital. They are going to work

with charities to build up immunity provision. I am confident but I

realise there is scepticism. You co-authored the NHS report, Ray

James. Why should people have faith it will be better? This is a

statement of intent that acknowledges things have not been

good enough and it has caused people to make sure we come together and

ensure people with learning disabilities can lead independent

lives in their communities, close to their families, and not in

hospitals, but in homes. There will still be people going into these

institutions. The numbers are being halved, what is to say it will not

carry on? While the numbers will halve, the intention is if someone

needs treat and it will be for shorter periods of time. Part of the

plan is working with the Care Quality Commission. We want to see

more people like Karen, who are able to go and be quality checkers and

volunteer and to tell us what they think the services like, so there is

a range of people monitoring. Ultimately, I think society is

waking up to the fact we have not done right people with learning

disabilities and we all need to play our part. What is the length of time

somebody should spend in these places? Bill, 25 years. That should

not be the case. We should be talking about weeks and months, not

years. Karen, do you have faith things will change in the

institutions that remain? Yes. We have people with learning

disabilities in paid jobs, doing this work, as well. Also we have

brought in independent people with learning disabilities, and family

members. The national Forum, the family Forum, are working together

with them. There are too many people. Jane, Francis, a lot of

other people, who have listened to what we have had to say, they have

gone out there, not sat behind the desk, they have gone out and done

their job. They support it 150%. It can only get better, not worse. Our

people will not re-stuck in these places for the rest of their lives,

thank God. Bill, you are in a place of your own and someone comes to

help you. What difference has it made to your life? It has made a

great difference. I can do what I want, go where I want, get up when I

want, where I want. I can eat what I want. Also, I can choose when I want

support. I can ring up my supporters and go, look, I am not feeling too

good today, can we rearrange? Usually, yes. We can change the

dates to when I want support, not when it is pushed on me. Thank you

very much, all of you. A lot of you getting in touch. Steve on Twitter

said Bill's story is not unusual and you still see the symptoms of

institutionalisation today. Another said good to see Winterbourne View

back on the agenda, a situation beyond resolved. Another asks

community care is the cost, where is the money coming from?

Would you be happy to talk to police about a crime via Skype

The constabulary is hoping it will help reduce response times. Linking

up with officers over the internet rather than visiting people at their

homes. Here with me in the studio is

Lucy Hastings, director of Bedfordshire Police

and Crime Commissioner Olly Martins He suggested his force

start using Skype two years ago. And Labour MP for

Cambridge Daniel Zeichner is Thank you very much for joining us.

What do you think about the idea of Skype? I think technology is part of

everyday life and if people have a choice to report they cried and talk

to an officer through Skype, that should be their choice. Clearly, if

they are vulnerable, emotional, and the crime has highly impacted on

them, they should have a choice to speak face-to-face. People might be

concerned they will end up not having that choice and there is

pressure to use Skype and some will not have access. A lot of people

have access but I would like it to be a choice. Some people do not have

access and it is enabling people to decide whether it is face-to-face

contact or by the phone, or it is on Skype. People do use Skype

regularly. It is a way of being able to speak to a police officer and it

is whatever the follow-up is appropriate to how they have been

impacted. Ollie Martins, you look to bringing in Skype in 2013 but

didn't, why not? At the time there seemed to be a certain amount of

controversy. The reality now, as we look at potentially 25 - 40% further

cuts in what the government spends on policing, looking at that

reality, I think we will have two embrace all the means at our

disposal in the way we manage demand and still try to deliver a service

to the public. Is it something you will now do? I think we are going to

have to look at it and I will look at what is going on in Peterborough

with a lot of interest. I will say that we are using an assessment

model where we look at threat and harm risk, victim vulnerability. In

order to determine the police response. I think that is the

framework into which the use of Skype will fit. As your

representative from victim support said, if you have someone who has

run the ball, if there are investigative opportunities, if it

is a high-risk case, the aim will be the police will still respond and

send an officer. In other cases we will look at other ways of dealing

with the public. Daniel, do you think it is a good idea? I am in

Cambridge, the technology capital, so keen to encourage technology but

in this case I think it is more about saving money than improving

service. The story in the newspaper today, a guy beaten and bruised, the

idea the first point of contact is a call on a mobile does not seem

right. A lot of us have use video conferencing, which is fine, Skype,

using it with your family, someone you know. If you have had a nasty

experience you want one on one contact. What about the idea it is

saving money, rather than what is best for victims? Daniel has a

point. We are looking at spending cuts and in the Chancellor's review,

he suggested 25-40%. I am in a force that has 169 officers per 100,000

population. It is incumbent on me to make sure the way in which we use

officers is about going to the most vulnerable victims, based high risk

victim is, and frankly, I need to look at what other ways I can use

for the public to contact us in relation to those cases that are not

where the victims of honourable. That is the reality of where

policing is going. Thank you very much. We would like to hear what you

think about this. Please get in touch. Is it the best way for the

police to use their resources? Shaker Aamer is on his way back to

the UK from Guantanamo Bay. We will speak to someone who has been

campaigning for his release for years.

Bit of deja vu, last Halloween was a record breaker, up to 24 degrees in

the London area. This year we have mild air pushing up from the south.

It has been accompanied today by some rain, with the heaviest

beginning to move away into the North Sea for the moment. The

northernmost parts of Scotland just about staying dry. Otherwise a

cloudy affair for most, maybe some brightness edging into

cloudy affair for most, maybe some it will be something of a struggle,

I think. Even in amongst all that cloud and the outbreaks of ring,

temperatures of 15 or 16 degrees across southern England and Wales.

We will keep the cloud by and large. South-east England could brighten

up, maybe North Wales and Cumbria, and brightness towards the north of

Scotland and possibly Northern Ireland. Rain lingering across the

Midlands into the south-west. Still pretty high temperatures for this

time of year. Brighter spots could get up to 18 or 19 degrees. Cooler

across the northern part of Scotland, but mild air will work

northwards overnight behind this weather front which gives another

pulse of rain foremost before it begins to clear away just in time

for the start of the weekend. When the sun breaks through on Saturday

it will feel really quite pleasantly warm. The cloud might not break

across eastern England and Scotland but drive virtually everywhere.

Really a pleasant day for getting out and about and pretty good for

the Rugby World Cup final at Twickenham, of course. Should be

fantastic rugby weather for fans heading to the stadium. The weekend

as a whole, we are talking about sunshine breaking through. Problem

is we could see some over knife through Saturday night into Sunday

which could be rather stubborn to clear. -- overnight fog. This ridge

of high pressure will be building in from the east. A lot of rain being

kept at bay towards the north-west. On the breezy side across north-west

Butland but rain staying away to the north. More cloud around and some

greyness. If you get that, temperatures in the low teens but if

you get some brightness up around the mid to high teens quite widely.

Headington next week, largely settled, grey skies for many of us

but more dry weather to come. The meeting will seek to close the

gap between the US, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Iran. People have

arrested a second teenager boy over the TalkTalk issue.

A 16-year-old boy from Feltham in South West London was arrested

on suspicion of Computer Misuse Act Offences.

Victims of crime are being asked to speak to police on Skype instead of

having officers visit their home, as part of a trial aiming to allow more

The trial, launched by Cambridgeshire police

in Peterborough on Wednesday, aims to provide more flexibility

Let's catch up with all the sport now.

I am delighted to say that two members of the squad can talk to us

now from the Hydro arena. Let's start with you. Brilliant

performance to win team bronze on Tuesday, and your little sister did

not do too badly, did she? She didn't at all. It was a huge team

effort. Still a bit shocked about what we managed to achieve, but so

proud we were able to achieve it at the world Championships. Your

team-mate said you were hoping for bronze but you went one better with

silver on Wednesday, what do you think made the difference? I think

it was just a combination of sticking together as a group, going

about our own business, making sure we were concentrating on our own

competition, not worrying about other teams like Japan and China.

That allowed us to stay in. They got behind us, and made a difference and

pushed is ahead in the medal rankings. It's not over yet, there

are still more medals to be one. What do you make of GB's chances? I

think it's going to be a great competition. We've got some great

athletes competing. We've got Max and Lewis, and Dan Purvis, so we've

got lots spread out, and then we have the final to night with Max and

Dan Purvis. They are looking good and sharp and full of confidence

after the other night's medals. As long as we go out and enjoy it,

hopefully fingers crossed we can get some more medals. And it bodes well

for Rio, don't you think? It really does, and for both teams to be

making history in an Olympic year is incredible, it gave us so much

confidence, we just want to push forwards for next year. Lovely.

Thank you so much for joining us, good luck.

The former Chelsea team Doctor Eva Carneiro is claiming constructive

dismissal against the club. She was openly criticised by Jose Mourinho

for her handling of an on field injury to Eden Hazard. On the eve of

the Rugby World Cup final the head of the tournament says it has been

the biggest and best so far. It has generated a record ?160 million

profit as he told our sports editor. No question it's the biggest. And no

disrespect to other World Cup holders of the past, World Cups

should get better, you learn from them. I think this is the biggest

and best World Cup we have had to date. What is that down too, because

of where it was staged? I guess this underlines the ability of this

country to host events. That's right, England are very good at

putting on events such as these, they had a little curtain raiser

called the Olympics. Good curtain raiser for the World Cup. Lewis

Hamilton may have found the perfect way to settle any speeds with his

team-mate Nico Rosberg, Mexican wrestling. This move is the running

cross body, obviously. It was just a bit of fun before this weekend's

Grand Prix. With Lewis Hamilton having wrapped up the world title

with races to spare he is obviously letting his hair down. Brilliant

pictures. Thank you for joining us this morning.

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Shaker Aamer is flying back to the UK right now, raced after 13 years

in detention at the Guantanamo Bay detention center. We heard he'd left

the military base in Cuba heading for London earlier this morning. The

release comes after a long campaign, many appeals and

disappointments. Shaker Aamer was arrested

in 2002 after maintaining he was He has never been charged or put

on trial. He has four children and has

permission to live indefinitely in Our reporter Jim Reed is

here to take us through it. Tell us more about Shaker Aamer and

how he ended up in Guantanamo? Details of his release are still

coming in. It is significant for two reasons. He is the last remaining

British resident. He is not a British citizen, but a resident. The

18 Brits that were in that some point. Regardless of his nationality

he was one of the most high profile most outspoken inmates of that camp,

very involved in hunger strikes, for example. Acted almost as a

spokesperson for some of the other prisoners inside. Tell us more about

the circumstances of when he was detained? He went to Guantanamo Bay

in 2002, before that in 2001 he was in Afghanistan. He spent much of his

20s in the United States, acting as an interpreter at one point for

American officials involved in the first Gulf War. He came to the

United Kingdom in 1991 where he met his wife. He was never a British

resident but settled down here and had four children. In 2001 he

decided to take that family across into Afghanistan. The US military

has also alleged that he was involved in military activity,

there. He was fighting against coalition forces. He has always

denied that. At the tail end of 2001, a group of bounty hunters

picked up Mr Aamer and sold him into US custody. He went to the

background air base, and in March 2002 he was sent on to Grant Hanley

Mowbray. And how much is known about his time in Guantanamo Bay? The

circumstances of his transfer have always been controversial. He says

in the airbase in Campbell he was mistreated, you was tortured. At one

point and this is crucial he says there were British intelligence

officers in the room when that happened. So that could come out in

the future. He says because of that treatment and torture he told the

American authorities things that were frankly not true and as a

result he was transferred to Guantanamo Bay. He was a high D10

become involved in hunger strikes, we know he spent an awful lot of

time in solitary confinement -- high-profile detainee. There were

shouts of his mistreatment picked up by a documentary. He is on his way

to the UK now, he is due to land at around 1:30pm, what will happen once

he is back? We think it is likely he will be under some sort of

monitoring under the terms of his release.

monitoring under the terms of his government this is sort of a

monitoring under the terms of his heavily for his release. You heard

the Foreign Secretary welcoming it earlier. On the other there are

allegations that British intelligence officers were at least

present when some of this alleged mistreatment was taking place. If

more details of that come out in mistreatment was taking place. If

coming weeks and months that could be very embarrassing for the British

government. There are always people who say no smoke without fire, how

can it be that somebody completely innocent has been hell for this

long? That's right, and it all comes back to 2001 -- been held for.

People will always raise their eyebrows. For Mr Aamer and his legal

team it is very hard to prove a eyebrows. For Mr Aamer and his legal

negative, how do you prove you went somewhere and did not do something?

That has been the case for the 13 or 14 years while he has been in

detention. The Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell created the

parliamentary group John McDonnell created the

for his release. He says he is John McDonnell created the

delighted to hear this news. He is breathing a

delighted to hear this news. He is with other campaigners. He

delighted to hear this news. He is simply a man in the wrong place at

the wrong time. A charity work in Afghanistan who

the wrong time. A charity work in ransomed and falsely imprisoned. He

the wrong time. A charity work in has been cleared twice for release,

never charged, and no serious evidence has

never charged, and no serious him. I'm grateful for the Prime

Minister's him. I'm grateful for the Prime

year and a cross-party support we have received for his release. I

hope he gets the full support he needs so that he can settle back

into society and get on with the rest of his life.

what is your reaction? There was some doubt he would actually get out

in the end? of occasions where his family were

told he was about to be released and he hasn't

told he was about to be released and the moon to hear that he is finally

on a the moon to hear that he is finally

very soon. What do you say to people who say he is a Saudi citizen, he

shouldn't be coming here? His wife is a British citizen and

his four children are British citizens. If he was returned to

Saudi Arabia, because he married somebody not Saudi, he could face

criminal convictions. Is that the sort of country we are,

into a situation where they are also likely to be tortured? What you

expect to likely to be tortured? What you

from our reporter who said it is likely he will be monitored when he

returns. I think the first thing that will happen is he will go to

hospital. He is in poor health after 15 years of torture. The report

describes ways they tried to the hunger strike. Even the American

Sennett said rectal feeding, force-feeding, amounted to torture.

In the first instance, it will be him going to hospital, getting the

medical attention he needs and reconnecting with his children.

Reconnecting with his family. He has a 14-year-old son he has never seen

will stop the question is asked, why would he have gone with his family

to Afghanistan at that time? That decision in the end is the reason he

ended up in Guantanamo. One reason he ended up in Guantanamo was

because he was kidnapped and sold for a bounty and at that time the

Americans in Afghanistan were buying any foreigner found in Afghanistan

for $5,000 a time stop in Afghanistan that is a lot of money.

He went there and it has been given many times they were setting up

girls schools for the education of girls and building wells. I cannot

think of a more noble thing to do, to go to a country recovering after

20 years of war, when girls were not being educated, and trying to give

them that step up. How do you expect him to see things? Having been

incarcerated for 13 years, not charged, cleared for release in

2007, and having stayed so many years after that, or will he be an

angry man? Each person who comes out of Guantanamo deals with it

differently. Moazzam Begg has often been complemented by those who

disagree with him by the fact he has been forgiving and kind about the

people who were his torturers in Guantanamo, even having them to

visit him in the UK, he has been on speaking tours with Guantanamo

guards. However Shaker deals with it will come out soon. He has every

right to be angry, if that is the way he chooses to deal with this.

Thank you very much for joining us. A 16-year-old boy is expected to

appear in court later charged in connection with the death of Bailey

Gwynne at a school in Aberdeen. Bailey, who was also 16,

died after being stabbed at Cults His death follows the stabbing

of a supply teacher in Bradford in the summer,

and the murder of the teacher Once again it raises the issue

of violence and weapons in schools. Figures released last year show that

almost a thousand pupils had been caught with weapons

in school since 2011. We're joined by Vincent

Uzomah, the teacher who was stabbed We can also speak to Brian Lightman,

who represents head teachers Here to discuss the issue is

Tracey Ford. Her son was shot and killed

in 2007 and she now works to reduce And we're joined by Katie Ivans from

the Campaign for Real Education. Thank you for joining us. Vincent,

you were attacked four months ago. Tell us the impact of the attack on

you? The impact has had a serious effect on my family, my confidence

to go back to work, and the psychological impact, as well. It

has done a lot of damage. So far. Do you go over and over what happened

and why it happened? Yes, in my mind, it comes up frequently. I

think about it. I imagine it. I was told that is part of life. I need to

go through that for me to recover from it. It was a school in Leeds

where you had been trying to enforce discipline and the rules on mobile

phones. A boy came in with a knife specifically to stab you. How do you

think schools like yours could enforce a situation where kids

cannot take a... I'm sorry coming Bradford, where kids cannot take a

weapon into a school? My study was in Bradford and I feel there are a

lot of things we can do to limit bringing weapons to school. Before I

mentioned metal detectors. There are issues with metal detectors, the

cost, the staff, how they are managed, the whole process. I think

we still need to think of the positive effect of that. I think in

other areas, like re-emphasising that part of the curriculum that

will help students to value lives, to understand the consequence of

some actions. On the offender and the victim. We can also look at the

aspect of parenting. Maybe do some other kind of informal education on

parenting. So that parents may understand their part to play in

helping their kids. Some parents need to understand what their kids

are going through in schools. Ask them how the day went, what kind of

issues they face, how was your work? Homework, have you done it?

Interaction between parents and their children. It can help them

understand the value of life. Let that be from the parents or children

understand what is allowed in society and what is not. At the

moment, I think the crime rate is increasing and we need to do

something about it. Tracy, your son was shot and killed in 2007 in

Streatham. Do you agree with Vincent when you hear him saying some kids

do not understand the value of life? There is a growing issue with

violence. There are initiatives that happen around the country, around

restorative Justice in schools, for young people to deal with conflict,

to deal with anger. It does not happen enough. We are in a school

working with young girls. It is, how do you help with young people to

deal with some of the anger and issues they face? You work in

schools primarily in London. Our weapons issue in these schools? I

think weapons are an issue. In schools in Lambeth they have

community safety officers in the schools, but I do not think it stops

young people from leaving home with a weapon, or getting a weapon to

protect themselves. We have a problem where you find a lot of

victims are becoming perpetrators through the issue of fear. Katie,

how do you keep weapons out of schools? The metal detector, I know

a school around where I work, when they open, -- opened, a new academy,

they have metal detectors straightaway. Does that completely

put a lid on the problem? Of course it doesn't. Once they are outside

the school they can get the weapon. You can get a knife from the kitchen

drawer. I know of a case boy was stabbed a kitchen knife. His friend

was standing over him, traumatised by this. This is going on. It has

been going for a long time. It is not new. Our schools engaging with

it, are they open enough about it? I don't know. What they want to do is

get on with the education. This brings me to the point of how the

schools are organised. I understand in a certain school that we might

have in mind, I cannot possibly make this remark about it, but it

generally helps when schools have an audit environment and ordered

behaviour is expected and children are expected to treat each other

with respect. If a school is disorganised, children are wandering

in and out of classrooms, which is quite common, I have witnessed it,

you can get violent incidents. I am aware of an incident where

colleagues were working in a school and could not go ahead with the work

because they came under violent attack from a group. They had to

call in for help and their lives were at risk. There is a big

problem. I don't know what a quick solution is. One thing schools can

do is try to ensure the ordered environment. And ethics, ways in

which we treat other people, and bring these issues to the fore. We

do not know what has happened in other specific instances. I would

like to get the thoughts from Brian Lightman, how concerned parent

should be about the safety of schools. I don't think that parents

should be enormously concerned. We have had some terrible incidents

that have happened and one is one too many. We have to do everything

we can to prevent these things happening. The reality is the

majority of schools quarterly and safe places. There is far more knife

crime and violence outside school than inside school. The other people

you have interviewed have made it clear, some very good points about

the fact there is a need for education in society as a whole. We

need to do something to raise more awareness. Teachers are doing a

great deal, the police and authorities are doing a lot, but we

need to do more so people understand how this cannot happen and how we

must do everything we can to make society safe. Vincent said crime is

rising. There is a perception crime is rising, but the truth is figures

indicate it is falling. Yes, I don't Inc crime is rising in schools or

anywhere else. I think the reality is that one incident is one too many

and that is what we must focus on, what can we do to raise awareness.

It comes through education, the ethos of the school, society and

messages to parents. That is the only way we can deal with these

things. Thank you for joining us. Let us know your thoughts on the

stories we are covering on the programme today. The main news. The

Foreign Office confirmed that Shaker Aamer, the last British resident

held at Guantanamo Bay is on his way back to the UK. The 46-year-old has

been held in the military prison in Cuba since 2002, but has never been

put on trial. Campaigners welcome his release. It is almost 14 years

since he first lost his liberty to the United States. All those years

without charge or trial. It is a day for justice he has been freed. The

NHS has announced the number of hospital beds in England the people

with learning disabilities will be hard. The move is in response to the

abuse scandal at the Winter -- Winterbourne View scandal. Aid

agencies say 21 people have died and many more are missing after boats

overturned close to Turkey. teenage boy in connection with the

investigation into alleged data theft from TalkTalk. A 16-year-old

boy from Feltham in South West London was arrested on suspicion of

offences under the Computer Misuse Five people have been taken to

hospital after a coach crashed into a ditch and overturned near March in

Cambridgeshire. A woman in her fifties suffered serious injuries.

Police say they want to speak to the Police say they want to speak to

the driver of a yellow bus which was seen in the area

at the time of the collision. Victims of crime are being asked to

speak to police on Skype instead of having officers visit their home, as

part of a trial aiming to allow more The trial,

launched by Cambridgeshire police in Peterborough on Wednesday,

aims to provide more flexibility for victims, as well allowing

better response times. Let's catch up with all

the sport now and join Jess. Good morning. Here are the sports

headlines. Former Chelsea team Doctor Ava Lakhani is seeking a

claim against the club for constructive dismissal. -- Eva

Carneiro. It is understood legal papers have been served this week.

She left the club last month after being openly criticised by manager

Jose Mourinho. England fast bowler Mark Wood has been rested for the

third test against Pakistan which starts on Thursday. He has an ankle

problem. He could be replaced by Liam Plunkett or Sammut Patel.

England are 1-0 down in the three match series. The head of world

rugby has said this World Cup has been the biggest and best so far,

generating record profits. Australia and New Zealand meat in tomorrow's

showpiece. That's all the sport for today.

Shaker Aamer, the last British resident at Guantanamo Bay, is

flying back to the UK right now after 13 years in detention. He is

due to arrive in London in the next few hours.

It's just over a week since Tata Steel announced it would be

cutting 1,200 jobs from its works in Scunthorpe and

Motherwell, compounding a dreadful month for the industry following the

Who will lose their jobs and when is still under negotiation.

We've been to the town as it faces a future without its biggest employer.

Scunthorpe is the steelworks, and the steelworks is Scunthorpe.

I was in the town centre on Saturday, and it's like there's a

Put simply, without the steelworks, there would be no Scunthorpe.

Tata Steel confirmed it was cutting 1,200 jobs in north Lincolnshire

My name's Charlotte Upton and I'm an electrician

When people got told about the job redundancies, obviously

People are worried about how they are going to pay

their mortgages, how they are going to afford Christmas.

I think when the announcement was made, the best

word to describe it would be stunned silence, while it's sunk in, the

I'm Martin Foster and I'm the Unite trade union convener for

A lot of people don't realise just how big the site at Scunthorpe is.

In its heyday, it had 26,000 people employed in the steel industry

at Scunthorpe, but over the years that has shrunk and shrunk.

Customers are a lot of steelworkers, a lot of contractors

from the steelworkers, and even lorry drivers passing

through that's dropping off at the steelworks, so if the steelworks go,

We're in the Grange Lane cafe in Scunthorpe.

I've had the business for eight years.

It upsets me to see them all really upset, wondering what's

I do find it very concerning for everybody.

The knock-on effects of the decline of the steelworks will

The cafes around the corner or the car garages

that are relying on the trade of the steelworkers, there will not

be a person in Scunthorpe that won't be affected if the steelworks goes.

I'm Christian, I work at Midland garage.

I've recently bought the business after my boss retired.

Everybody knows somebody who works on the steelworks, family, friends,

stuff like that, so everybody is a bit concerned at the minute,

Christmas is coming up and I have a young child.

I couldn't justify spending a lot of money on toys and Christmas

presents and stuff, when I don't know if I will have

Over the last six, seven years we have lost circa 2,000 jobs

The high street ten years ago was quite a busy place.

You would see plenty of people milling about.

The current 900 that has been announced for Scunthorpe

Steel towns like Scunthorpe and Redcar have been buffeted

The company blame the flood of cheap steel imports,

Higher energy prices and business rates are magnifying

We can't keep being the poor relations,

we can't keep competing with other companies in Europe who pay lower

All we want from the Government is a level playing field.

If we don't, I fear that the industry

This is the letter that I wrote to David Cameron, which I wrote to try

and personalise the story of the steelworkers in Scunthorpe.

It has been in national and local newspapers.

On Facebook, I've had messages from people

in Canada and America and stuff, which is really cool actually.

I think, to be honest, we're part to blame for it, because everyone wants

things cheaper, and the Chinese produce stuff on such a mass scale

We should maybe look at ourselves and buy locally, as opposed to

So you can see we've got all the smoke and everything coming out.

When that's gone, what will we be looking at?

Will we be looking at the steelworks rotting away there?

For a lot of people in the town that is their bread and butter.

There's ?9 million the Government's pledged to help retrain

I want my job on the steelworks, I like my job.

It was a job for life when I applied for it.

I would be most upset if I had to leave Scunthorpe.

All my family is here, I have a daughter who is 14,

And, obviously, if we had to move that would be a big wrench for her

I'm worried for my business, that I've worked for

the last eight years for, put a lot of hard work into it, but I think

At the moment, I'd say I don't see a future for Scunthorpe.

I hope and pray there is going to be one, but no, I really,

in my heart of hearts, don't hold out any hope for the steelworks.

The creator and star of BBC One's Citizen Khan tells this

It's now one of the country's most popular sitcoms with millions tuning

in and tonight it returns to our screens with the new fourth series.

We will speak to Adil Ray in a moment, but first a quick look

Then you need to go back out, and right to the very end of

Oh, it's very nice. one just through there.

I particularly enjoyed the Pakistani room.

Welcome. Thank you for having me. who have not been watching it get a

chance to catch up tonight with the start of the fourth series.

chance to catch up tonight with the about the show in a nutshell? It is

essentially a family sitcom, in a tradition of British comedy, I like

to think. The difference, tradition of British comedy, I like

is that it happens to be a Pakistani tradition of British comedy, I like

universal story of most families, tradition of British comedy, I like

think. Where do tradition of British comedy, I like

horses. I just kind of fell in love with it. My family did as well. I

always thought one day I would love to do a comedy. I was doing

always thought one day I would love on my radio show and after 9-11, and

always thought one day I would love 7-7, I came across this character

that appeared on lots of TV and radio shows which would be called

community leader. I thought, what radio shows which would be called

earth is a community leader? I was convinced news channels would get

the guy with the longer convinced news channels would get

put him in front of a mosque and convinced news channels would get

him about what is happening thousands of miles

him about what is happening thinks he will enjoy his 15 minutes

of fame. The idea of that character came

of fame. The idea of that character a satirical character. Once you

start thinking about his wife and kids it becomes this family man.

With some good kids it becomes this family man.

co-writers Richard and kids it becomes this family man.

developed it. You have spoken about re-humanising the Muslim community

as well? Yes, I think so. The real desire to me, the intent of the show

is to say, well look, we Muslim people are just like everybody else.

Before 9-11, nobody really knew what Muslims were, they were not talked

about, and now the image of them on television is either terrorists or

horrible stories, things like Street grooming. Documentaries I've covered

myself about Pakistani men. Here we have a bearded Muslim who kids laugh

at, and realise it is just like my dad. The greatest feedback I have is

from families who say the relationship between the youngest

daughter and the father is just like me, or people saying that is just

like my dad. He is tight, a big loudmouth, he can be a bit bigoted.

These are things that are traits amongst many men, not just Muslims.

There have been complaints from some muslins, quite a lot, let's look at

one clip in particular. What do you say to muslins who say

it insults them? I speak to others who say it is perfectly funny and

great. The point is, if all muslims said citizen, is brilliant, we would

have a problem. We must accept as muslims that we are a pluralistic

community. For as many people who might say they are offended because

she is pretending to read the Koran, the fact is it has happened. I

remember sitting at my breakfast table with my mum teaching me the

Crown and I have one eye on Grange Hill. -- teaching me the Koran.

Nobody is perfect. But lots of people say they can relate to that

and perfectly connect. By the very nature we have some muslims who

don't like the show and they are a very small minority. Series one

attracted 700 complaints, we've had no complaints so far that I know of.

The fact we have a difference of opinion is a good thing. We are

discovering that not all Muslims are the same, we have different views,

even amongst a Muslim family. Do you almost see this programme as a bit

of community service? No, I see it as helping pay my mortgage as the

most important thing. But look, it is designed to be a comedy and we

are trying to be funny. I believe things like citizen can't, Nadia

winning the great British bake off, Moeen Ali opening the batting for

England, Amir Khan being a boxing champion, all of these things are

part of the narrative and we need positive messages. But as Muslims we

need to realise we will not agree with all other Muslims, but we need

to allow these creative voices in order to be a more mature and

intelligent community. I read a story about when your family moved

into a new neighbourhood, the neighbours almost trying to buy the

house because they wanted to prevent you moving in and when you left they

were sad because they'd got to know you, and that was quite a formative

experience for you in shaping your views as yellow absolutely. I/O a

lot to my mother. My mother was from an East African Kenyan background,

and she had a very mixed up ringing. She was convinced we should live in

a white area in Birmingham. She thought, we have a big family, 150

cousins, so you will get the Asian influence from the family, let's

live in a white area. It was National front, and yes, we had

bricks through the window, and neighbours trying to buy the house

before we moved in, and it was difficult times but that did not

last very long. And after a while we began to love them and they became

my uncle John and auntie Gladys and uncle Alfred and auntie Betty across

the word. When we left they were in tears. I think that is a great

message. We are living in times of the fear of the unknown. Britain has

a long history of that. If you combat that and stick with it it all

turns out, very romantically, good in the end. Do you see the funny

side of everything? People often say of comedians there is a sad and

Darkside. I try to. I think it is healthy.

Question is, do not let yourself be offended. You cannot go out your

door if you are going to be offended. Why would you let somebody

offend you? It is in your power. Walk around with a smile and batted

off. I remember in school, living in Yardley, I got called the P word. My

mum could see it was upsetting me. I was eight, nine. She said do not

worry, go back to school and have fun. That is what I did. That is a

strength. It is not easy. You can take things personally, but we must

try not to. Don't be offended, it is in our hands. Good advice. Good luck

with the show. And you can watch Citizen Khan on

BBC One tonight at 8:30pm. We can go back to the news about

Shaker Aamer. Guantanamo Bay - is flying back to

the UK after 13 years in detention. This release comes after

a long campaign, many appeals and many disappointments after he was

first cleared for release in 2007. He's due to arrive in London

in the next few hours. Andrew Slaughter is the Shadow

Justice Minister, he travelled to America as part of a delegation to

try and secure Mr Aamer's release. Thank you for joining us, what is

your reaction to the news he is on his way here? It is fantastic news.

It does appear he is on his way and we'll be back in the UK later. We do

not know what time. This is after 14 years of captivity without any

allegations being proved, without any charge or trial, in the

appalling conditions of Guantanamo Bay. There will be a lot to examine

once he gets home and he is reunited with his family. What do you think

should happen to him? There are suggestions he might be tagged or

monitored. The priority, which is lawyers have asked for, is a medical

check. He has been under a huge amount of mental strain. Tortured.

His physical health is poor. He has been in solitary confinement a long

time. Meeting his family again. I say again, he has never seen his

youngest child. Those are the priorities. There is no reason why

there needs to be supervision, tagging, any connection with the

security services here in any way. There are issues to explore about

his treatment there, perhaps in relation to compensation and matters

of that kind, but I cannot see given the fact he was cleared for release

by President Bush in 2007 and there have been eight years since then

that anything should happen but he is set at liberty very quickly. You

mentioned the issue of compensation, what do you mean by that? 16 Britons

have been released from Guantanamo Bay so far and we do not know what

has happened but there have been cases where compensation has been

paid. Shaker Aamer has never asked for money and money does not

compensate for having a large part of your life taken away and being

treated in a brutal way and in particularly being deprived of

liberty without due process, but as part of the examination of what

happened, questions need to be asked about whether he is entitled to

compensation just to rebuild his life. He has alleged he was abused

by US personnel in Afghanistan with UK agents present. Does that need to

be properly looked at? Absolutely. It is entirely a matter for him and

he will have good legal advice. He has been supported during his

captivity. I cannot speak for him. There are many questions to be

asked. One reason why he has been held for so long, it is said, is

because he has witnessed so much, not just his treatment but treatment

of others throughout the 14 years. What are your thoughts on the fact

it took so long? He was cleared for release in 2007 and two US

presidents cleared him for release and it is 2015 he is finally coming

home. What are your views on the way the US has handled this? The history

of Guantanamo, and let's not forget over 100 people are left in there,

is appalling. President Obama said it would be close seven years ago,

he is now saying it might be again. Let's not forget the other people

there. I went on a lobbying mission with Jeremy Corbyn and two senior

Tories, David Davis and Andrew Mitchell, and we asked that question

to John McCain and senior senators in the US, why, given he was allowed

to be released eight years ago, was he still their? They could not

answer that. I hope what we and the Prime Minister did has helped to

secure his release. We must have an answer to that question. It is not

acceptable for any country, but particularly a democracy like

America, to keep people locked up without due process at all, but 14

years is a disgrace. Andrew Slaughter, thank you.

There are to be very big changes in the way the NHS treats

and cares for people with learning disabilities and autism.

and cares for people with learning NHS England will cut by half the

The money saved will then be spent on creating community facilities -

that is, helping people to stay out of institutions.

I've been talking to Sir Stephen Bubb -

who led a review into the future of services for people with learning

disabilities - and Ray James, President of the Association of

But first I spoke to Karen Flood, who is Co-Chair of the

National Learning Disability Board, and Bill who has learning

disabilities and told me of his experience of the system.

You did not feel human, you did not feel you existed.

What was it that made you feel like that?

It was the way the staff treated you.

They knew they could do whatever they wanted

What sorts of things did you experience?

One of the main things, which happened to me,

The staff would put a big knot in the towel.

If you were coming out of the shower, they would whip you with it.

They got away with it, nobody would do anything about it.

They could be abuse and nothing would happen.

I got to the point where I started using my fists.

I decided if I were to get anywhere, I needed to become

Karen, an unbelievable way for people to treat other people but you

Does he describe situations you have heard time and again?

Oh, yes, because some people who have told me

what has happened in the past is like if they wanted a meal, they had

to fight with each other, or who was the quickest to get to the table?

I met a gentleman who was tied to a chair.

When I came to see him one time he was tied to a wheelchair.

The gentleman was deaf, could not see, could not do

When I asked if I could see his bedroom, the support was not

He was put in a straitjacket in his bed.

That happened a good few years ago, but people think things got better.

The only way it is going to get better is by us all working

This is why we want our people out of these places, because they have a

right to have a life like everybody else, to live in a community,

Because they have never committed a crime.

We seem to give the wrong people the support.

We seem to give paedophiles and sex offenders more support than

In 2014 you wrote a report criticising the care people receive,

why has it taken so long? Why have things like that been able to go

one? My report was clear about the need to close these institutions and

scale up community provision. What Karen has said is right. In the 21st

century it is a disgrace we treat people with learning disabilities in

the way we have in institutions. What has been a dismal failure is

since the government pledged to move people out of institutions after the

Winterbourne View scandal, there is still the same number of people,

nothing has happened. But I do think the plan announced today by NHS

England, it will deliver the closure of institutions and the scaling up

of community provision. I believe we may be at a turning point. There

will be scepticism from families and people with learning disabilities

because of failures in the past. I think we have a plan and we may see

institutions close. They are going to close the biggest NHS hospital,

called stones, and they will work with charities to build up provision

-- Calderstones. Ray James Yuko Warf of the report, why should people

have faith things will be better? It is a clear statement of intent and

acknowledges things have not been good enough in the past. -- you

co-wrote the report. We will ensure people can lead independent lives in

their communities close to their families, not in hospitals, but in

their homes. There will still be people going into these

institutions. The numbers are being hard. What is to say it is not

carrying on as it has been? The intention is if someone needs

treatment it will be the shorter periods of time. Part of the plan is

to work with the Care Quality Commission. We want to see more

people like Karen, who are able to eat quality checkers and volunteer

and to tell us what they think the service is like and so there is a

range of people monitoring. -- to be able to be quality checkers. We all

need to play our part. Let's go back to the release of the last British

resident detained at Guantanamo. Shaker Aamer is heading back to the

UK and is due to land in London at 1:30pm. His father-in-law has given

his reaction. Is it a day you thought you would see? Had to stop

hoping for this day? I cannot hear. Today is a very happy day? Yes. Is

it a surprise? Yes, it is a surprise. It is a miracle. That is

the father-in-law of Shaker Aamer. Full coverage on the BBC News

channel on his return to the UK. A couple of comments on the police

trials of Skype for reporting crime. One Twitter message says they are

having the trials are no other reason they cannot afford to send a

policeman. Another says if it means you do not have to wait a week to

report a crime, I guess it is OK. Have a lovely weekend. Goodbye.