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Hello it's Tuesday, it's 9.15, I'm Joanna Gosling, | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
The mum of a boy who died in hospital after | :00:17. | :00:23. | |
a catastrophic failure tells us how she can never trust a doctor again. | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
We'll speak to Nicola Adcock in her first BBC interview after a doctor | :00:28. | :00:30. | |
was found guilty of the manslaughter by gross negligence of her son Jack. | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
David Cameron says EU reform is not an impossible task. | :00:35. | :00:36. | |
The Prime Minister is setting out his plans to renegotiate | :00:37. | :00:38. | |
And could Russian athletes really be banned from next year's | :00:39. | :00:46. | |
Hello and welcome to the programme - we're on BBC Two and the BBC News | :00:47. | :01:06. | |
As we go on air this morning, the Prime Minister is talking | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
about why he thinks the European Union should be reformed. | :01:12. | :01:19. | |
He started talking a few minutes ago and we will | :01:20. | :01:21. | |
David Cameron says he is committed to negotiating a "better deal" with | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
the EU before a referendum in 2017 which will allow us to decide | :01:28. | :01:33. | |
if we should stay or leave the union. | :01:34. | :01:35. | |
Mr Cameron has said he wants the UK to stay in a reformed EU, but he has | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
not ruled out leaving if he cannot secure the change he wants. | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
So this morning he is revealing a number of key points he wants to | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
Protection of the single market for Britain | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
Exempting Britain from "ever-closer union" and bolstering | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
Restricting EU migrants' access to in-work benefits. | :01:55. | :02:00. | |
We'll get some reaction from our political guru Norman Smith. | :02:01. | :02:02. | |
But let's just see what else David Cameron has to say. | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
We know that the bedrock of our Security is a strong economy. | :02:09. | :02:16. | |
Something any nation must have to succeed in the 21st century. It is | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
also why, despite all the pressures on the public finances, we have | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
guaranteed to spend 2% on defence and 0.7% of our gross national | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
income on overseas aid. With that money we are able to equip our Armed | :02:32. | :02:36. | |
Forces with two brand-new aircraft carriers, double our fleet of | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
drones, buy new fighter aircraft and submarines as well as investing in | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
our special forces. We are doing all of these things to protect our | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
economic and national interests. That is the prism through which I | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
approach our membership of the European Union. Taking the tough | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
decisions, making the difficult arguments, addressing the issues | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
that no-one wants to talk about and protecting and advancing our | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
economic and national security. Like most British people, I come to this | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
question with a frame of mind which is practical not emotional, had not | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
hard. I know that some of our European partners may find that | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
disappointing about Britain, at that is who we are, that is how we have | :03:19. | :03:25. | |
always been as a nation. Rigorously practical, obstinately | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
down-to-earth, we are natural debunkers. We see the European Union | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
as a means to an end, not an end in itself. Europe where necessary, | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
national where possible, as our Dutch friends put it. Away to | :03:42. | :03:47. | |
amplify our national prosperity, like Nato or the IMF. We understand | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
that there is a close relationship between the security and prosperity | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
of the continent to which our island is tied geographically and our own | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
security and prosperity. In the week when we commemorate the end of the | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
Great War, and in the year when we have marked the 70th anniversary of | :04:06. | :04:08. | |
the liberation of Europe, how can we not? Britain has contributed in full | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
measure to the freedom that Europe's nations enjoy today. Across | :04:14. | :04:24. | |
the continent, in stone cold cemeteries, lie the remains of | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
British servicemen who crossed the Channel to help subjugated nations | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
throw off the tyrant's yoke and return liberty to her rightful place | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
on what Churchill called this noble continent. We continue to play our | :04:40. | :04:46. | |
full role in security, globally, fighting Ebola in West Africa, | :04:47. | :04:48. | |
flying policing missions over the fighting Ebola in West Africa, | :04:49. | :04:55. | |
Nato operations in Europe, saving lives | :04:56. | :04:58. | |
Nato operations in Europe, saving smuggling rings in the | :04:59. | :04:59. | |
Mediterranean, spending ?1.1 billion smuggling rings in the | :05:00. | :05:05. | |
on aid to Syria, Lebanon and Jordan - more than any other European | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
nation. Britain has always been an engaged nation, because we know that | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
engagement is the best way to protect and advance our economic and | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
national security. So today, as we confront fresh threats | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
national security. So today, as we to our country, I am in no doubt | :05:24. | :05:25. | |
that for to our country, I am in no doubt | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
question is not just a matter of economic security, but of national | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
security, too. Not just a matter of jobs and trade, but of the safety | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
and security of our nation. Equally, when Europe and the European Union | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
accounts for almost half of our trade, it matters for our economic | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
security that the European Union is competitive and succeeds in | :05:50. | :05:50. | |
promoting prosperity for its members. Just as it | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
promoting prosperity for its that while we are not part | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
promoting prosperity for its euro, and in my view never will be, | :05:58. | :06:00. | |
the Eurozone is able to deal with its problems and to succeed. If it | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
fails to do so, we will certainly not be immune from the | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
side-effects. That is why almost three years ago I set out the case | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
for reform, reform which will benefit Britain and in my view the | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
entire EU. I was clear that Britain gains advantages | :06:19. | :06:19. | |
entire EU. I was clear that Britain of the EU. But I was also clear that | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
there are some of the EU. But I was also clear that | :06:24. | :06:25. | |
need to be addressed. Lytic of the EU. But I was also clear that | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
leadership team confronting these problems, not wishing them away. If | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
we ignore them, history teaches us they will only | :06:35. | :06:36. | |
we ignore them, history teaches us explain what I mean. In my Bloomberg | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
speech, almost three years ago, I said the European Union faced three | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
major challenges. First heard all the problems in the Eurozone which | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
need to be fixed, requiring fundamental changes. Second, a | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
crisis of European competitiveness, as other nations across the world | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
race ahead and Europe risks being left behind. Third, the gap between | :06:59. | :07:05. | |
the EU and its citizens, which has grown dramatically in recent years, | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
and which represents a lack of democratic accountability and | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
consent which is felt acutely in Britain. These three challenges are | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
as critical now as when I first set them out. Today I would add a | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
fourth. As we have seen spectacularly across Europe with the | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
questions posed by the migration crisis, countries need greater | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
controls to manage the pressures of people coming in. While in Britain | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
we are not part of the Schengen no borders agreement and so we have | :07:36. | :07:38. | |
been able to set out our own approach and take refugees by Ripley | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
from the camps, we do need some additional measures to address wider | :07:44. | :07:46. | |
abuses of the right to free movement within Europe and to reduce the very | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
high flow of people coming to Britain from across all of Europe. | :07:51. | :07:56. | |
So the changes we are arguing for our substantial, but they have a | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
very clear purpose - to address the four key challenges which are vital | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
to his access of the European Union and to maintain and advance the | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
UK's economic and national security within it. Let me explain each of | :08:10. | :08:16. | |
them in turn. First, it is in all of our interests for the Eurozone to | :08:17. | :08:18. | |
have the right governance and struck choose to secure successful currency | :08:19. | :08:25. | |
for the long-term. -- structures. Written understands that and we will | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
not stand in the way of those developments as long as we can be | :08:30. | :08:31. | |
sure that there are mechanisms in place to make sure that our candy | :08:32. | :08:37. | |
interests are fully protected. There are today two sorts of members of | :08:38. | :08:44. | |
the European Union. Euro members and non-euro members. The changes which | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
the Eurozone will need to implement will have profound implications for | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
both types of member. Non-euro members like Britain which are | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
outside the Eurozone need certain safeguards in order to protect the | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
single market and our ability to decide its rules and to make sure | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
that we face neither discrimination nor additional costs from the | :09:05. | :09:10. | |
integration of the Eurozone. Because the European Union and the Eurozone | :09:11. | :09:19. | |
are not the same thing. Those of us brought in the EU but outside the | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
Eurozone need that accepted. We need a model which works for Britain and | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
for any other non-euro members. This should be perfectly possible. The | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
European Union is a family of democratic nations whose original | :09:34. | :09:35. | |
foundation was and remains the common market. There is no reason | :09:36. | :09:40. | |
why the single currency and the single market should share the same | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
boundary any more than the single market and Schengen. So the EU needs | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
flexibility to accommodate both of those inside and outside the | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
Eurozone. Both those who are contemplating much closer economic | :09:54. | :09:56. | |
and political integration and those countries like Britain which will | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
never embrace that goal. This is a matter of cardinal importance for | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
the United Kingdom. Because if the European Union were to evolve into a | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
single currency club, where those outside the single currency are | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
pushed aside and overruled, then it would no longer be a club for us. We | :10:15. | :10:21. | |
need this issue fixed so that the UK is not obliged to fight a series of | :10:22. | :10:24. | |
running battles which would only corrode trust amongst member states. | :10:25. | :10:30. | |
We have to make sure that there is appointed to being in the EU but in | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
the Eurozone and that that position does not turn a country into a brawl | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
taker instead of a rule maker. And now is the time to do that. As part | :10:41. | :10:46. | |
of our negotiation, I am asking European leaders to meet clear and | :10:47. | :10:49. | |
binding principles which protect Britain and other non-euro countries | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
and a safeguard mechanism to make sure those principles are respected | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
and enforce. Those principles should include the following. Recognition | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
that the EU is a union with more than one currency, that there should | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
be no discrimination and disadvantage for any business on the | :11:08. | :11:09. | |
basis of the currency of their country. That the integrity of the | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
single market must be protected. That as the Eurozone moves ahead, | :11:14. | :11:20. | |
any changes it decides to make, the creation of a banking union for | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
instance, must be voluntary for non-Europeans is, never compulsory. | :11:24. | :11:30. | |
That taxpayers in non-euro countries should never bear the cost for | :11:31. | :11:33. | |
operations to support the euro as a currency. And that just as financial | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
stability and supervision has become a key area of competence for the | :11:39. | :11:45. | |
Eurozone, institutions like the ECB, so, financial stability and | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
supervision is also a key area of competence for national institutions | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
like the Bank of England for non-euro members. And of course, | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
that any issues which affect all member states must be discussed and | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
decided by all member states. Second, we want a European Union | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
which adds to our competitiveness, not detracts from it. We have | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
already made good progress here since my speech at Bloomberg. | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
Agility of proposals under the new commission have fallen by 18%, with | :12:15. | :12:20. | |
more regulation set to be repealed this year than in the whole of the | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
previous commission. We have proposals for a M its union which | :12:26. | :12:28. | |
will help get finance into the hands of entrepreneurs and growing | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
businesses. The new pounds to deepen the single market in digital will | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
mean new opportunities for millions of British businesses to operate | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
more easily anywhere in Europe. Changes we secured just last month | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
will mean that British tourists will no longer incur roaming charges when | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
using mobile phones or have to pay extortionate credit card fees. Just | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
last month the European Commission published a new trade strategy which | :12:54. | :12:56. | |
reflects the agenda which Britain has been championing for years, | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
including pursuing massive trade deals with America, China, Japan and | :13:02. | :13:07. | |
RCM. We know the benefits free trade can bring. Recent deals including | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
one with career are already saving UK consumers ?5 billion every year. | :13:12. | :13:19. | |
They have helped UK car exports for instance to Korea increase fivefold. | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
There is much more we can do. For all that we have achieved in | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
stemming the flow of new regulations, the burden from | :13:28. | :13:29. | |
existing regulation is still too high. Two years ago we secured the | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
first ever real terms cut in the EU budget. It is now time to do the | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
same with EU regulation. So we need a target to cut the total burden on | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
business. At the same time we need to bring together all the different | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
proposals, promises and agreements on the single market, on trade, on | :13:48. | :13:52. | |
cutting regulation, all together into one clear commitment which | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
rights competitiveness into the DNA of the whole European Union. Third, | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
we need to deal with the disillusionment which many of | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
Europe's citizens feel towards the European Union as an institution. | :14:07. | :14:09. | |
These concerns are not just in Britain but Stross and perhaps | :14:10. | :14:12. | |
greater here than anywhere else in the European Union today. We have | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
already passed a law to guarantee that no powers can transfer from | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
Britain to Brussels ever again without the explicit consent of the | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
British people in a referendum. But if Britain is to remain in the EU, | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
we need to do more. It boil stand to this. We are a proud, independent | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
nation. We intend to stay that way. So we need to be honest about this. | :14:37. | :14:42. | |
Commit and in the treaty to an ever closer union is not a commitment | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
which should apply any longer to Britain. We do not believe in it, we | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
do not subscribe to it. We have a different vision for Europe. We | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
believe in a flexible union of free member states who share treaties and | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
institutions, working together in a spirit of co-operation to advance | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
our shared prosperity and protect our people from threats to security | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
weather from home or abroad. And of course continuing in time and only | :15:09. | :15:11. | |
with unanimous agreement to welcome new countries into the EU. This | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
vision of flexibility and co-operation is not the same as | :15:17. | :15:22. | |
those who want to build an ever closer political union, but it is | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
just as valid. If we can't persuade our European partners to share this | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
vision for all, we certainly need to find a way to allow this vision to | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
shape Britain selling the Bishop. I can tell you today that as part of | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
our renegotiation I am asking European leaders for a clear, | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
legally binding and irreversible agreement to end Britain's | :15:46. | :15:48. | |
obligation to work towards an ever closer union. It will mean Britain | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
can never be entangled in a political union against our will all | :15:54. | :15:55. | |
be drawn into any kind of United States of Europe. | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
We need to ensure that while the European Parliament plays an | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
important role, there is a more significant role for national | :16:05. | :16:07. | |
parliaments including our own Parliament right here in | :16:08. | :16:10. | |
Westminster. It is national parliaments which are and will | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
remain the main source of real democratically jit Massey and | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
accountability inside the EU. It is to the British Parliament that I | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
must account on the EU budget negotiations or on safeguarding our | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
place in the single market. Those are the parliaments which instil | :16:29. | :16:31. | |
respect, even fear, into national leaders. So it is time to give these | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
national parliaments a greater say over EU law making. Now, we're not | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
suggesting a veto for every single national Parliament. We acknowledge | :16:42. | :16:47. | |
that in a Europe of 28 that would mean gridlock, but we want to see a | :16:48. | :16:54. | |
new arrangement where groups of national parliaments can come | :16:55. | :16:57. | |
together and reject European laws which are not in their national | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
interest. We need to address the issue of sub sidarty. We believe if | :17:02. | :17:09. | |
powers don't need to reside in Brussels, they should be | :17:10. | :17:12. | |
automatically returned to Westminster. We want to see the EU's | :17:13. | :17:15. | |
commitment to this fully implemented with clear proposals to achieve | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
that. In addition the UK will need confirmation that the EU | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
institutions will fully respect the purpose behind the justice and home | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
affairs protocols in any future proposals dealing with justice and | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
home affairs matters. In particular, to preserve the UK's ability to | :17:32. | :17:38. | |
choose to participate. In addition, national security is and must remain | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
the sole responsibility of member States while recognising the | :17:45. | :17:46. | |
benefits of working together on issues that affect the security of | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
us all. Finally, in this area, people are also frustrated by some | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
legal judgements made in Europe that impact on life in Britain. Now, of | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
course, this relates as much to the European Convention on Human Rights | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
as the European Union which is why we need to act on both fronts. So we | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
will reform our relationship with the ECHR by scrapping Labour's Human | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
Rights Act and introducing a new British Bill of Rights. We will, of | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
course, consult on how to make this big constitutional change. The | :18:18. | :18:20. | |
consultation we will publish will set out our plan to remain | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
consistent with the founding principles of the convention, while | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
restoring the proper role of UK courts and our Parliament. And as we | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
reform the relationship between our courts and Strasbourg, it is also | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
right we consider the role of the European Court of Justice and the | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
Charter of Fundamental Rights. So as was agreed at the time of the Lisbon | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
Treaty, we will enshrine in our domestic law that the EU Charter of | :18:46. | :18:49. | |
Fundamental Rights does not create any new rights. We will make it our | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
explicit to our courts that they cannot use the EU charter as the | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
basis for any new legal challenge citing spurious hue Human Rights | :19:00. | :19:02. | |
grounds. We will examine whether we can go one step further. We need to | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
examine the way that Germany and other EU nations uphold their | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
constitution and sovereignty. For example, the constitutional court in | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
Germany retains the right to review whether essential constitutional | :19:18. | :19:20. | |
freedoms are respected when powers are transferred to Europe and it | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
reserves the right to review legal acts by the European institutions | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
and the courts to check that they remain within the scope of the EU's | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
powers. Or whether they have overstepped the mark. Now, we will | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
consider how this could be done in the United Kingdom. Now, fourth, we | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
believe in an open economy. But we've got to be able to cope with | :19:42. | :19:45. | |
all the pressures that free movement can bring on our schools, our | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
hospitals, and our public services. Right now, the pressures are too | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
great. Now, I appreciate that at a time when other European countries | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
are facing huge pressure from migration, outside the EU, this | :20:01. | :20:02. | |
maybe hard for some other EU countries to understand. But in a | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
way, these pressures are an example of exactly the point that the UK has | :20:08. | :20:12. | |
been making in recent years. For us, it is not a question of race or | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
background or ethnicity, Britain is one of the most open and | :20:18. | :20:20. | |
cosmopolitan countries on the face of the earth. People from all over | :20:21. | :20:23. | |
the world can find a community of their own right here in Britain. The | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
issue is one of scale and speed and the pressures on communities that | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
brings and at a time when public finances are already under severe | :20:35. | :20:37. | |
strain as a consequence of the financial crisis. Now, this was a | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
matter of enormous concern in our recent general election campaign. | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
And it remains so today. And unlike some other member states, Britain's | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
population is already expanding. Our population is set to reach over 70 | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
million in the next decades and we're forecast to become the most | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
pop ulis country in the EU by 2050. At the same time, our next migration | :21:00. | :21:05. | |
is running at over 300,000 a year. That is not sustainable. We've taken | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
lots of steps to control immigration from outside the EU, but we need to | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
be able to exert greater control on arrivals from inside the EU too. The | :21:15. | :21:19. | |
principle of free movement of labour is a basic treaty right and a key | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
part of the single market. Over one million Brits benefit from their | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
right to live and work anywhere in the EU. We don't want to destroy | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
that principle which indeed many Brits take for granted, but freedom | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
of movement has never been an unqualified right and we need to | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
allow to operate on a more sustainable basis in the light of | :21:41. | :21:43. | |
the experience of recent years. Britain has always been an open, | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
trading nation. We don't want to change that, but we do want to find | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
arrangements to allow a member state like the UK to restore a sense of | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
fairness to our immigration system and to reduce the currently very | :21:57. | :22:00. | |
high level of migration from within the EU into the UK. Now, that means | :22:01. | :22:04. | |
first of all, correcting the mistakes of the past by making sure | :22:05. | :22:12. | |
that we are when new countries are admit to the EU, free movement will | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
not apply to those countries until their economies have converged more | :22:18. | :22:20. | |
closely with existing member states. We need to cre at the toughest | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
possible system for dealing with the abuse of free movement. That | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
includes tougher and longer re-entry bans for from youedsters and people | :22:28. | :22:34. | |
who collude in sham marriages, it is easier for an EU citizen to bring a | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
non-EU spouse to Britain than it is for a British citizen to do the same | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
thing. It means stronger powers to deport criminals and stop them | :22:44. | :22:46. | |
coming back, as well as preventing entry in the first place, it means | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
addressing judgements that widened the scope of free movement if a way | :22:51. | :22:53. | |
that made it much more difficult to tackle this sort of abuse. But | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
ultimately, if we're going to reduce the numbers coming here, we need | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
action that gives greater control of migration from the EU. As I have | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
said previously, we can do this by reducing the draw that our welfare | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
system can exert across Europe. To those who say this won't make a | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
difference, I say, look at the figures. We know that at any one | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
time, around 40% of all recent European Economic Area migrants are | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
supported by the UK benefit system. With each family claiming on average | :23:27. | :23:32. | |
around ?6,000 a year of ininn work benefits alone and over 10,000 | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
recently arrived families claiming over ?10,000 a year. We need to | :23:37. | :23:43. | |
restore a sense of fairness and reduce this pull pack for subsidised | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
by the taxpayer. I promised four actions at the general election. Two | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
of them have already been achieved. EU migrants will not be able to | :23:52. | :23:54. | |
claim Universal Credit while looking for work and if those coming from | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
the EU haven't found work within six months, they can be required to | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
leave. But we need to go further to reduce the numbers coming here. So | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
we've proposed that people coming to Britain from the EU, must live here | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
and contribute for four years before they qualify for in work benefits or | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
social housing. And that we should end the practise of sending child | :24:17. | :24:21. | |
benefit overseas. Now, I understand how difficult some of these welfare | :24:22. | :24:25. | |
issues are more other member states and I'm open to different ways of | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
dealing with this issue. But we do need to secure arrangements that | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
deliver on the objectives set out in the Conservative Party manifesto to | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
control migration from the European Union. So these are the four | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
objectives at the heart of our renegotiation. Objective one, | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
protect the single market for Britain and others outside the | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
eurozone. What I mean by that is a set of binding principles that | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
guarantee fairness between euro and non euro countries. Objective two, | :24:57. | :25:03. | |
write competitiveness in into the DNA of the whole European Union, | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
this includes cutting a total burneden on business. Objective | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
three, exempt Britain from an ever closer union and bolster our | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
national parliaments, not through warm words, but through irreversible | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
changes. Objective four, tackle abuses of the right to free movement | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
and enable us to control migration from the European Union in line with | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
our manifesto. The precise... STUDIO: That's the Prime Minister | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
outlining his four key objectives for the European Union ahead of the | :25:39. | :25:44. | |
in-out referendum promised ahead of 2016. He says the decision is the | :25:45. | :25:50. | |
most important for Britain. You can continue to watch that | :25:51. | :25:58. | |
speech from David Cameron online: We will have analysis from Norman | :25:59. | :26:00. | |
Smith later. Should Russia be banned from | :26:01. | :26:07. | |
competing in next summer's Olympics? An independent report commissioned | :26:08. | :26:09. | |
by the World Anti-Doping Agency has recommended that the country's track | :26:10. | :26:11. | |
and field athletes should be barred from world athletics competitions, | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
after their report found evidence of cheating, drug abuse, | :26:15. | :26:17. | |
cover-ups and extortion throughout It also said London 2012 was | :26:18. | :26:19. | |
"sabotaged" by "widespread inaction" against athletes with suspicious | :26:20. | :26:26. | |
doping profiles. The man who led the staging | :26:27. | :26:27. | |
of that event, Lord Sebstian Coe, He says Russia must now | :26:28. | :26:30. | |
respond to the allegations. I have asked the Russian Athletics | :26:31. | :26:39. | |
Federation to answer those I have asked my council | :26:40. | :26:41. | |
colleagues to convene on Friday. Depending upon what we hear | :26:42. | :26:47. | |
in response to those allegations, we will looked at a range | :26:48. | :26:50. | |
of options which include sanctions. When you say "can include | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
sanctions", one of those sanctions It could be the suspension | :26:57. | :26:59. | |
of Russia. If there are frailties | :27:00. | :27:02. | |
in our anti-doping systems, If there are corporate governances | :27:03. | :27:04. | |
that should have been in place, particularly | :27:05. | :27:10. | |
around the criminal allegations that were made at the beginning of the | :27:11. | :27:13. | |
week, we will fix those as well. Dick Pound has called on Russia | :27:14. | :27:17. | |
to voluntarily suspend itself. What is your message to Russia | :27:18. | :27:19. | |
about what it should do now? That may well be the case | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
when our council reviews what it has been told by the Russian athletics | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
Federation at the end of the week. Can you clarify, | :27:29. | :27:36. | |
that they may well voluntarily...? Britain's Paula Radcliffe said she | :27:37. | :27:51. | |
is surprised at the scale of the doping. | :27:52. | :27:54. | |
I was devastated, shocked at the level and the depth and the audacity | :27:55. | :28:00. | |
have got away with it for so long and angry on behalf of my sport at | :28:01. | :28:04. | |
the damage that has been done to athletics by this. | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
I really do think that action has to be taken. | :28:10. | :28:21. | |
out and discovering the scale and the depth of it. | :28:22. | :28:24. | |
Also I think, we need to stress that it is really bad, | :28:25. | :28:26. | |
We have managed to discover it and it now needs to be taken forward | :28:27. | :28:32. | |
in such a way that we can start restoring that faith in athletics. | :28:33. | :28:43. | |
are competing on a level playing field and that fingers aren't going | :28:44. | :28:49. | |
Here with me is former world champ ston Steve scam cram. Paula | :28:50. | :29:04. | |
Radcliffe said she was shocked. How did you feel about it? I was shocked | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
at the kind of depth of the involvement of all aspects of | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
Russian sport, not just involvement of all aspects of | :29:13. | :29:17. | |
Government level. I think the independent commission have done a | :29:18. | :29:18. | |
fantastic job of independent commission have done a | :29:19. | :29:23. | |
really been able to in the past and getting people to talk to them in a | :29:24. | :29:26. | |
way, which des spite, I am getting people to talk to them in a | :29:27. | :29:32. | |
amount of fear around the environment there, they have | :29:33. | :29:34. | |
uncovered, at all levels there is athletes who were cheating | :29:35. | :29:40. | |
and coaches who are asking them and helping | :29:41. | :29:41. | |
and coaches who are asking them and administrators who are turning a | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
blind eye to that and then a an accredited lab which has not been | :29:47. | :29:52. | |
conducting the proper tests or when the proper tests and not making them | :29:53. | :29:55. | |
public and that's been the proper tests and not making them | :29:56. | :29:58. | |
within their sporting system and the proper tests and not making them | :29:59. | :30:01. | |
seems as though there have been a certain | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
seems as though there have been a the athletes who have positive tests | :30:06. | :30:08. | |
seems as though there have been a leading back to the | :30:09. | :30:10. | |
seems as though there have been a will make sure if you pay us, we | :30:11. | :30:15. | |
will speak to the IAAF and see if you can get you off | :30:16. | :30:18. | |
will speak to the IAAF and see if sanctions. It is the depth of that | :30:19. | :30:21. | |
that's been the shock. No shock that people in Russia are cheating back | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
inn athletics. You can go back to my day in the 70s and 80, I don't think | :30:27. | :30:29. | |
anyone would be shocked to find that out, but it is the depth of it that | :30:30. | :30:35. | |
I think the ultimate sanction of not leave Russian athletics now? | :30:36. | :30:44. | |
I think the ultimate sanction of not letting them compete is one which | :30:45. | :30:47. | |
has to be looked at. Sebastian Coe I think has given them an ultimatum to | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
either voluntarily come up with their own period of suspension, if | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
you like, away from the world of athletics, until they can do | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
something at least to look as if they are putting their house in | :31:00. | :31:02. | |
order - but that will not be done overnight. As in wider issues. This | :31:03. | :31:05. | |
is just overnight. As in wider issues. This | :31:06. | :31:07. | |
some wider issues within world sport. That laboratory does not just | :31:08. | :31:13. | |
test able in athletics. This commission was only looking at | :31:14. | :31:20. | |
athletics, but that lab will also test footballers, cyclists, | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
swimmers, other people who will compete in the Olympic Games. Even | :31:26. | :31:28. | |
Wada said its own laboratory was not fit for purpose, either. So I think | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
there is a lot of things which need to happen before we can be remotely | :31:34. | :31:37. | |
confident about people representing Russia at whatever sport, but they | :31:38. | :31:45. | |
are doing it in a fair way. It is up to the IOC, rather than the IAAF, | :31:46. | :31:52. | |
but alongside them, they should say at this moment, you cannot come to | :31:53. | :31:55. | |
deal in big games until you change your practices. Do you feel sympathy | :31:56. | :32:03. | |
for Russian athletes? No. If you have been cheating, you have been | :32:04. | :32:11. | |
cheating. It is against them much bigger picture? Well, it is and I | :32:12. | :32:17. | |
think there is a cultural issue as well. There are some clean Russian | :32:18. | :32:20. | |
athletes as well. They are not all cheating. There is always a choice, | :32:21. | :32:28. | |
I think. Some would argue that they are pressured into doing this, but | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
there is a choice. I think obviously once those athletes have been | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
cheating, to then have somebody come back and say, if you want to get off | :32:38. | :32:41. | |
with it, you have got to come up with a couple of hundred thousand | :32:42. | :32:45. | |
dollars, then it is not right at either end. I still do not have | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
sympathy for people who have been cheating in the first place. They | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
have got themselves into that mess. It is always the athletes who end up | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
with the ultimate punishment. The issue for me is, would we be denying | :32:58. | :33:06. | |
people in Russia, let's say, young 16-year-olds who has an ambition to | :33:07. | :33:09. | |
be a great swimmer or cyclist, would we be denying them the chance to | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
become a great athlete in the future? Hopefully not. It has to | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
come from the country they live in. There has to be pressure from within | :33:18. | :33:21. | |
Russia to change practices. I'm not sure that will happen overnight. How | :33:22. | :33:27. | |
much does this taint athletics? For me it is less what has been going on | :33:28. | :33:32. | |
in Russia per se, it is the fact that people within the Russian setup | :33:33. | :33:38. | |
have been able on the face of it to get right into the highest levels of | :33:39. | :33:45. | |
the IAAF. If the allegations are proven to be correct, they have been | :33:46. | :33:49. | |
able to affect the processes. Thankfully I don't think they have | :33:50. | :33:54. | |
been able to affect them in the long-term, but certainly the | :33:55. | :33:56. | |
prevarication around pursuing positive tests in Russia was | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
something which the IAAF cannot allow ever to happen again. I don't | :34:01. | :34:07. | |
think that is necessarily still happening now, but it is a really | :34:08. | :34:10. | |
difficult time for athletics and for the Federation. Seb is in charge, he | :34:11. | :34:17. | |
has got a difficult task. He has got to act really quickly and strongly. | :34:18. | :34:20. | |
He has to take the opportunity which this gives him. There have to be | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
special measures here. In the past, the IAAF is a family of 200-odd | :34:26. | :34:33. | |
athletic nations with voting processes and commissions and | :34:34. | :34:36. | |
committees. I think he has got to bypass a lot of that, given the | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
situation, and make some really tough decisions very, very quickly. | :34:41. | :34:47. | |
Coming up, we have a special report into the antimalarial drug Lariam, | :34:48. | :34:50. | |
which hundreds of service personnel say can cause mental health problems | :34:51. | :34:52. | |
and even suicides. More than one billion pounds could | :34:53. | :34:56. | |
be cut from social care services for older and disabled people in England | :34:57. | :34:59. | |
over the next year, according to council care bosses, leaving tens of | :35:00. | :35:02. | |
thousands facing getting less help with basic tasks like washing, | :35:03. | :35:05. | |
dressing and eating. More than half | :35:06. | :35:07. | |
of disabled people asked by the charity Scope say they don't get | :35:08. | :35:09. | |
enough care to live independently. The charity spoke to over 500 people | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
with disabilities and the work was carried out as part of a grant given | :35:14. | :35:17. | |
to them by the Department of Health. Scope want | :35:18. | :35:20. | |
the Chancellor to promise to spend more money on social services in the | :35:21. | :35:23. | |
Autumn Statement - his mini-budget - We went to meet Susan, | :35:24. | :35:26. | |
who says she's not getting I have a number | :35:27. | :35:32. | |
of health issues which have resulted I have been confined to | :35:33. | :35:41. | |
a wheelchair. I do not feel that | :35:42. | :35:47. | |
the care package that has been offered to me by my local authority | :35:48. | :35:51. | |
is sufficient enough for me to have This is my bedroom, where I spend | :35:52. | :35:54. | |
the majority of my time, especially on bad days, which can last | :35:55. | :36:03. | |
anything from one day to a week. The incontinence problem I have is | :36:04. | :36:10. | |
double incontinence, and that has been the hardest | :36:11. | :36:12. | |
for me to adjust to. My carer's last visit is | :36:13. | :36:16. | |
at ten o'clock at night. After ten o'clock the house is shut | :36:17. | :36:19. | |
up and I do not see the carer until If I have had an accident | :36:20. | :36:23. | |
in the night and I am not able to get out to the bathroom, | :36:24. | :36:30. | |
I'm left lying in a dirty nappy. It is horrible, it is a really | :36:31. | :36:35. | |
horrible and degrading feeling. You feel so helpless | :36:36. | :36:42. | |
because you want to do things for yourself, but unfortunately you | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
are not able to do it. I get four hours care a day | :36:47. | :36:49. | |
and it is not sufficient. I have been told | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
by the local authority my care If my hours need to be increased, | :36:54. | :36:56. | |
I will have to go into a care home. On my bad days, | :36:57. | :37:02. | |
when my bowel plays up, that affects I could sit here and look at these | :37:03. | :37:19. | |
pictures and cry and think, why me? You can't dwell on it because | :37:20. | :37:28. | |
if you start to dwell on it it will I do get very sad | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
when I look back on my life and I think, how can someone who is | :37:34. | :37:40. | |
healthy and fit end up like this? I could have quite honestly taken | :37:41. | :37:46. | |
my own life a couple of years ago. It was getting that bad. | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
I couldn't see any way out. The medication cupboard, | :37:51. | :37:52. | |
call it what you like, but it is It is a bit | :37:53. | :37:59. | |
like a bereavement because you are saying goodbye to the old you, | :38:00. | :38:07. | |
and you become a new you. I would like to go out more, | :38:08. | :38:10. | |
I would like to socialise more, I would like to spend more time | :38:11. | :38:18. | |
in the library perhaps reading books or just reading up things, but | :38:19. | :38:21. | |
again I would need someone with me If something happened and I am out, | :38:22. | :38:24. | |
I am not going to be able to clean I am very concerned | :38:25. | :38:31. | |
about my future with all the changes that are being made to things that | :38:32. | :38:44. | |
are impounded on disabled people. Benefits, care packages, | :38:45. | :38:51. | |
all sorts of different things. I am scared because I don't know | :38:52. | :38:53. | |
what next year is going to bring for me, what is going to be taken | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
away from me this year? We can speak now via webcam to | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
Jo Allen, who suffers She says she is in debt | :39:03. | :39:05. | |
because she doesn't receive enough money from social services to pay | :39:06. | :39:15. | |
for the care she needs each week. Joining us here | :39:16. | :39:18. | |
in the studio is Mark Atkinson, who is the CEO of Scope, | :39:19. | :39:20. | |
and Ray James, who is president of the Association of Directors | :39:21. | :39:23. | |
of Adult Social Services and runs First of all Jo, tell us what care | :39:24. | :39:39. | |
you need? I need care with washing, showering, getting out of bed, | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
toilet, helping preparing food and help with eating. So, lots of care, | :39:45. | :39:49. | |
basically. Have you cut back to the minimum? Absolutely. Mike Carey | :39:50. | :39:58. | |
money, or my hours, have not increased in the last 15 years. -- | :39:59. | :40:05. | |
my care money. From January we will have to be paying pension | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
contributions as well. It all has to come from somewhere. So I have had | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
to take out loans to cover those costs, which absolutely terrifies me | :40:15. | :40:17. | |
because there will be a point when I cannot afford to do that any more. | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
Could you reduce the number of hours you have? You have 28 hours a week | :40:22. | :40:27. | |
at the moment. I do, but that is for the very basics. It just gets me out | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
of bed in the morning. Feeding once a day and then back to bed at night. | :40:33. | :40:38. | |
I do not even have a lunchtime call. Mark Atkinson, is this a typical | :40:39. | :40:44. | |
story? I think it is, unfortunately. The stories we have heard from Susan | :40:45. | :40:49. | |
and Jo are representative for many disabled people. The system is in | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
crisis. Social care is crumbling. We are calling on the government to | :40:55. | :40:57. | |
invest the money which is needed for disabled and older people. How | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
important is social care? Critically important. You have heard from Jo, | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
this is every day, practical support to get up in the morning, to get | :41:08. | :41:14. | |
dressed, washed, to live an independent life. This is absolutely | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
critical port which thousands and thousands of disabled people rely on | :41:19. | :41:24. | |
everyday. Not a luxury? Absolutely not. It is absolutely critical if | :41:25. | :41:28. | |
disabled people are going to live the same lives as is anybody else. | :41:29. | :41:35. | |
We are hearing stories of disabled people having to sleep in their | :41:36. | :41:39. | |
wheelchairs overnight, not being able to get to the toilet, not | :41:40. | :41:44. | |
getting a nutritious meal. This is not a luxury, this is people living | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
on the edge. How difficult is it for councils to balance the needs of | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
people like Jo with the money they have available to give them that | :41:53. | :41:58. | |
care? First of all, this is a really depressing read, this report from | :41:59. | :42:00. | |
Scope. You cannot depressing read, this report from | :42:01. | :42:06. | |
the individual stories in there. But there are more and more people | :42:07. | :42:08. | |
needing care and support. Very there are more and more people | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
well. And yet the government is reducing the funding available. | :42:14. | :42:16. | |
Councils are between a rock and a hard place. People need more compact | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
scare, and the Government hard place. People need more compact | :42:21. | :42:23. | |
to provide less money, so it is inevitable that we will be in danger | :42:24. | :42:27. | |
of not being able to provide safe and appropriate care | :42:28. | :42:29. | |
of not being able to provide safe really need it. So what is the | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
answer? The Chancellor has his spending review in a couple of | :42:34. | :42:36. | |
weeks, together with everybody across the sector. People receiving | :42:37. | :42:42. | |
and providing support. We are calling on the Chancellor to make | :42:43. | :42:44. | |
and providing support. We are sure he provides a fair and | :42:45. | :42:47. | |
sustainable funding settlement for social care, so | :42:48. | :42:50. | |
sustainable funding settlement for and train staff, so that people can | :42:51. | :42:52. | |
receive that care and train staff, so that people can | :42:53. | :42:55. | |
that we do not end up with undue consequences for the NHS and for | :42:56. | :42:59. | |
individuals. What would vote consequences be? Probably four main | :43:00. | :43:07. | |
things. Firstly, the way in which people experience care and support | :43:08. | :43:09. | |
depends on the skills and behaviours people experience care and support | :43:10. | :43:12. | |
of the front-line staff who go in. We need to be able to recruit and | :43:13. | :43:16. | |
pay appropriately and train those staff. Secondly, people will | :43:17. | :43:24. | |
inevitably end up receiving poorer quality care. The Care Quality | :43:25. | :43:28. | |
Commission already says that 40% of the services they regulate require | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
improvement. Thirdly, the NHS saying there will be an impact at A with | :43:34. | :43:41. | |
more people presenting. Fourthly and most importantly, people who rely on | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
social care not being able to get the care and support they need when | :43:46. | :43:50. | |
and where they need it. Jo, you say the money you get does not cover | :43:51. | :43:56. | |
your needs - are you worried? Absolutely, it terrifies me. I have | :43:57. | :43:59. | |
got huge debts and I do not know what is going to happen this time | :44:00. | :44:05. | |
next year. Where is that payment going to come from? I cannot carry | :44:06. | :44:09. | |
on the way I am going. What will you do? I really do not know. My concern | :44:10. | :44:16. | |
is that I will end up like Susan in a care home. Because that will be | :44:17. | :44:20. | |
the easy option for social services. But I really do not know. In terms | :44:21. | :44:27. | |
of strategy, Mark, there is a policy shift away from care homes towards | :44:28. | :44:34. | |
the kind of care which Jo has, and obviously many others. Half of the | :44:35. | :44:37. | |
number of places in care homes are being closed - is it a sustainable | :44:38. | :44:45. | |
situation? I don't think so. Scope feels that people should be able to | :44:46. | :44:49. | |
live an independent life, in their own homes. That is what we should be | :44:50. | :44:55. | |
aiming for. But one consequence of having taken ?4.6 billion out of | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
social care in the last five years is that more disabled people will | :45:00. | :45:02. | |
have little choice but to move out of their home, give up on that | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
independent life and to live in a residential care home. A Department | :45:08. | :45:13. | |
of Health spokesperson has said nobody should have to wait for hours | :45:14. | :45:14. | |
for the care they need. Still to come... The mother of a | :45:15. | :45:46. | |
little boy who died as a result of medical negligence speaks to us | :45:47. | :45:49. | |
about her ordeal and tells us why she will never trust the Health | :45:50. | :46:05. | |
Service again. Time time for the weather, with Carol. In Northern | :46:06. | :46:09. | |
Ireland last night, we broke the minimum temperature record | :46:10. | :46:16. | |
overnight. Temperature did not fall lower than 16.1 last night. | :46:17. | :46:20. | |
Edinburgh today we are expect in 17 etc. You can see, right next to | :46:21. | :46:25. | |
them, where the temperatures should be. We have a wet and windy day in | :46:26. | :46:35. | |
prospect today. This weather front moving out of Scotland, heading down | :46:36. | :46:43. | |
towards southern England, bringing some rain with it. That rain has | :46:44. | :46:44. | |
been heavy. We continue with a lot of cloud | :46:45. | :47:00. | |
around. A lot of cloud coming in across the south-west and it will be | :47:01. | :47:03. | |
accompanied by showers and drizzle and some light rain at times. | :47:04. | :47:08. | |
It is not going to feel cold though. The temperature in Barnstable 14 | :47:09. | :47:14. | |
Celsius. For Wales, we are also looking at a | :47:15. | :47:19. | |
lot of rain. There will be drizzle along the coasts as well. For | :47:20. | :47:22. | |
Northern Ireland, the rain will continue to sweep south-east wards | :47:23. | :47:25. | |
as we go through the rest of the day. For Northern Scotland, we have | :47:26. | :47:29. | |
got showers and there will be gusty winds particularly in the Northern | :47:30. | :47:36. | |
Isles for a time. Gusting to 55mph. But at times across the north-east | :47:37. | :47:39. | |
through the day, we will see brighter breaks. For the South East, | :47:40. | :47:44. | |
there are some showers around. Some of those are going to be heavy and | :47:45. | :47:50. | |
possibly thundery and if it is not where you are, you will find there | :47:51. | :47:55. | |
is a lot of cloud. The weather front continues to migrate getting across | :47:56. | :47:58. | |
northern England and in through Wales. On either side of it, a lot | :47:59. | :48:01. | |
of cloud and the showers continuing across the north and the west. | :48:02. | :48:05. | |
Temperatures, again, we are in good shape for this stage in November. It | :48:06. | :48:09. | |
is not going to be a cold night. For Armistice Day, our weather front is | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
ensconced across northern England and Wales. Some heavy bursts too. | :48:14. | :48:21. | |
Some will fringe in across Devon and Cornwall and Somerset. Behind it, | :48:22. | :48:27. | |
some sunny breaks across northern and Eastern Scotland. You will | :48:28. | :48:29. | |
notice the next weather front showing its hand coming in from the | :48:30. | :48:33. | |
west and that's going to introduce more rain. Having said that, as we | :48:34. | :48:37. | |
head into Thursday, we will have a transient ridge of high pressure | :48:38. | :48:40. | |
across us. There will be a lot of settled weather around. The further | :48:41. | :48:44. | |
east that you are, the more likely you are to see sunshine, but the | :48:45. | :48:47. | |
next area of low pressure is coming in from the west and that will usurp | :48:48. | :48:52. | |
the high pressure. It will introduce wet and windy conditions and on its | :48:53. | :48:58. | |
southern flank the wind could be strong enough to touch gusts to gale | :48:59. | :49:02. | |
force. Temperatures by Thursday, 10 Celsius to 14 Celsius or 15 Celsius. | :49:03. | :49:08. | |
Then as we head on through Friday, well, Friday, we still have got our | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
weather front across us. Still introducing rain. But it will be | :49:13. | :49:15. | |
colder on Friday. A political party. We have been used to temperatures | :49:16. | :49:18. | |
above average for the last wee while. For some of us, they could | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
fall below average on Friday. We will see snow on the Scottish hills, | :49:24. | :49:26. | |
but there will be a lot of dry weather around too and sunshine. But | :49:27. | :49:31. | |
if you're thinking you're going to miss the mild weather, you won't | :49:32. | :49:35. | |
miss it for long, for Saturday and Sunday, the mild weather returns | :49:36. | :49:38. | |
once again, but that doesn't mean it will be bone dry! | :49:39. | :49:49. | |
Hello. It's Tuesday. It's 10.04am. I'm Joanna Gosling. | :49:50. | :49:50. | |
Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us. | :49:51. | :49:53. | |
The Prime Minister has set out his plans to change Britain's | :49:54. | :49:56. | |
relationship with the European Union saying more flexibility is | :49:57. | :49:58. | |
Let's acknowledge that the answer to every problem is not always more | :49:59. | :50:05. | |
uranium. Sometimes it is less Europe. Let's accept that one size | :50:06. | :50:11. | |
does not fit all. That flexibility is what I believe is best for | :50:12. | :50:15. | |
Britain and as it happens, best for Europe too. | :50:16. | :50:16. | |
The mother of a little boy who died as a result of medical negligence | :50:17. | :50:23. | |
speaks to us about how the Health Service failed her son and why she | :50:24. | :50:26. | |
And the killer whale displays that could soon be a thing of the past. | :50:27. | :50:38. | |
The Prime Minister is writing to the President of the European Council, | :50:39. | :50:44. | |
to set out the "better deal" he says the UK wants from its EU membership. | :50:45. | :50:48. | |
In a speech this morning, David Cameron said that reaching agreement | :50:49. | :50:52. | |
with the 27 other leaders was a big, but not impossible task and that | :50:53. | :50:56. | |
the European Union needs to be more flexible if it is to persuade | :50:57. | :51:03. | |
The commitment to an ever closer union is not a commitment that | :51:04. | :51:16. | |
should apply to Britain. We do not believe in it. We don't subscribe to | :51:17. | :51:19. | |
T we have a different vision for Europe. | :51:20. | :51:24. | |
Russia's Sports Minister says the country will co-operate with | :51:25. | :51:26. | |
anti-doping authorities following a report which accused the | :51:27. | :51:28. | |
country of presiding over widespread doping and corruption in athletics. | :51:29. | :51:30. | |
The report called for Russia to be suspended | :51:31. | :51:34. | |
from world athletics including next year's Olympic Games in Rio. | :51:35. | :51:40. | |
The Chief Executive of EasyJet has warned travellers they face | :51:41. | :51:42. | |
increased security checks both at Sharm el-Sheikh Airport and around | :51:43. | :51:45. | |
the world after a Russian airliner was brought down in a possible | :51:46. | :51:47. | |
EasyJet is one of four airlines which have cancelled all flights to | :51:48. | :51:51. | |
the Egyptian resort for at least another two weeks. | :51:52. | :51:54. | |
Plans to relax Sunday trading laws in England and Wales could be | :51:55. | :51:57. | |
thrown out by MPs after the SNP said it would vote against them. | :51:58. | :52:02. | |
The Government proposals would see opening hours | :52:03. | :52:04. | |
The Sunday Trading Act doesn't apply in Scotland, but the SNP says it's | :52:05. | :52:10. | |
worried that wages for workers across the UK would be driven down. | :52:11. | :52:17. | |
Myanmar's opposition leader Aung San Suu Chi says she's certain | :52:18. | :52:19. | |
the military won't sabotage the results of Sunday's elections, | :52:20. | :52:21. | |
which her party is expected to win by a landslide. | :52:22. | :52:25. | |
Although only a small number of seats have been declared so far, | :52:26. | :52:28. | |
her NLD party has won nearly all of them. | :52:29. | :52:31. | |
In her first BBC interview after the vote, she said the will of | :52:32. | :52:34. | |
Let's catch up with all the sport now. | :52:35. | :52:45. | |
There has been so much fall-out from yesterdays WADA report | :52:46. | :53:04. | |
revealing systematic state sponsored doping in Russian athletics and the | :53:05. | :53:06. | |
recommendation that they be thrown out of next year's Olympics in Rio. | :53:07. | :53:09. | |
I know you've been covering the story in depth. | :53:10. | :53:11. | |
Georgina Hermitage, you came back with two golds and a silver, | :53:12. | :53:21. | |
There is a lot of shock. More to the reaction is to yesterday's report | :53:22. | :53:29. | |
There is a lot of shock. More to the depth of it really. | :53:30. | :53:33. | |
There is a lot of shock. More to the have much of an opinion on it. I | :53:34. | :53:37. | |
have full faith in the system and full faith in Wada to | :53:38. | :53:41. | |
have full faith in the system and and see the outcome of | :53:42. | :53:43. | |
have full faith in the system and have faith in the system. You talked | :53:44. | :53:44. | |
about the system and the regulations about the system and the regulations | :53:45. | :53:48. | |
in place. You were tested yourself, obviously? Yeah, in Doha, I was | :53:49. | :53:53. | |
in place. You were tested yourself, tested after my 400 world record. I | :53:54. | :53:55. | |
was tested also after the anniversary games. I can't see how | :53:56. | :54:02. | |
people sort of break the system. I think | :54:03. | :54:04. | |
An incredible year for you, 2015, An incredible year for you, 2015, | :54:05. | :54:09. | |
bettering your own 400 world record. A fantastic year? Yeah, completely, | :54:10. | :54:12. | |
really unexpected, you know, after A fantastic year? Yeah, completely, | :54:13. | :54:18. | |
weeks, to come out and break another world | :54:19. | :54:22. | |
weeks, to come out and break another true. We were just looking at the, | :54:23. | :54:26. | |
how you qualify for the Paralympic Games. We think you have or you've | :54:27. | :54:29. | |
secured a spot at least and that should be your spot next year? Yeah, | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
fingers crossed and anything can happen in those times and especially | :54:35. | :54:38. | |
abouts susceptible to injury, but I'm going to keep my head done and | :54:39. | :54:46. | |
plod on and hopefully Rio will be a dream come true. No plodding, you | :54:47. | :54:48. | |
move very quickly! Amber Hill could make the shooting | :54:49. | :55:10. | |
team. 18-year-old Hill is in there. Nick Hope has been to meet her. | :55:11. | :55:21. | |
Amber Hill would say she is a normal teenager. I am very girlie. | :55:22. | :55:25. | |
Amber Hill would say she is a normal doing a beauty course. I think it's | :55:26. | :55:29. | |
nice to be able to do people's nails and have a chat and it is just | :55:30. | :55:32. | |
something that I'm really passionate about. But she also has a gun! When | :55:33. | :55:38. | |
you go along and tell people what I do, I get | :55:39. | :55:40. | |
you go along and tell people what I but that's the really nice thing | :55:41. | :55:43. | |
about it. I can have the balance of both. It is not like you're just | :55:44. | :55:47. | |
given a gun. I had to go through a lot of training. I was never left | :55:48. | :55:55. | |
unsupervised and you have to wear the protective gear, glasses, hats | :55:56. | :55:58. | |
and earphones. I have never heard of an accident happening. Tell me how | :55:59. | :56:02. | |
much of an influence your grandad had on your career? My grandad has | :56:03. | :56:07. | |
been a massive influence. I started when I was at school, I was doing | :56:08. | :56:10. | |
the girlie sports, but there was something about shooting that was a | :56:11. | :56:14. | |
bit different and my grandad used to do it She was a very, very good | :56:15. | :56:20. | |
talent at a very young age. She listened which was very good. She | :56:21. | :56:25. | |
did very well with it. Amber has been winning world medal and setting | :56:26. | :56:29. | |
world record since she was just 15 years old and now she made the Team | :56:30. | :56:35. | |
GB squad for Rio, she wants to make history by becoming the first UK | :56:36. | :56:42. | |
woman to win gold. Representing my country has been a dream of mine and | :56:43. | :56:47. | |
my grandad's and my family for the last four years. Hopefully I can | :56:48. | :56:51. | |
inspire other youngsters to get into a sport of some sort. It makes you | :56:52. | :56:55. | |
determined and focus on what you want to do it life. | :56:56. | :57:03. | |
Sad racing news today. Pat Eddery has died at the age of 63. He was | :57:04. | :57:08. | |
champion jockey 11 times and won every major race including three | :57:09. | :57:12. | |
derb Chris and rode over 4500 winners before retiring in 2003. | :57:13. | :57:18. | |
I will be S back with the headlines at | :57:19. | :57:19. | |
10.30am. Thank you | :57:20. | :57:24. | |
for joining us this morning. Welcome to the programme | :57:25. | :57:25. | |
if you've just joined us. We're on BBC Two and the | :57:26. | :57:28. | |
BBC News Channel until 11am. We're going to bring you the latest | :57:29. | :57:30. | |
reaction to David Cameron's speech this morning in which he set out | :57:31. | :57:33. | |
his terms to renegotiate Britain's Our political guru is standing | :57:34. | :57:36. | |
by and we'll bring you reaction from Brussels at the home | :57:37. | :57:41. | |
of the European Parliament. Do get | :57:42. | :57:43. | |
in touch throughout the programme. Texts will be charged | :57:44. | :57:45. | |
at the standard network rate. You can watch the programme online | :57:46. | :57:52. | |
wherever you are via the BBC News app or | :57:53. | :57:55. | |
our website bbc.co.uk/victoria You can also subscribe to all | :57:56. | :57:56. | |
our features on the news app, by going to add topics and | :57:57. | :57:59. | |
searching "Victoria Derbyshire". The mother of a six-year-old boy who | :58:00. | :58:01. | |
died in hospital, after a doctor was found guilty of causing | :58:02. | :58:04. | |
his death by gross negligence has told this programme she will never | :58:05. | :58:07. | |
trust the health service again. Jack Adcock, who had Down's | :58:08. | :58:10. | |
syndrome, died from complications from a chest infection at | :58:11. | :58:12. | |
Leicester Royal Infirmary in 2011. Last week, Doctor Hadiza Bower-Garba | :58:13. | :58:16. | |
was found guilty of manslaughter.Ms Last week, Doctor Hadiza Bower-Garba | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
was found guilty of manslaughter. Ms Adcock paid an emotional tribute | :58:21. | :58:23. | |
to her son on the steps of the court, saying he was one in a | :58:24. | :58:31. | |
million. We'll be talking to her | :58:32. | :58:33. | |
and her husband in a moment, Jack was born with Down's syndrome | :58:34. | :58:35. | |
and spent a lot of time in hospital. He had his first operation when he | :58:36. | :58:40. | |
was just six days old and had also In February 2011, | :58:41. | :58:44. | |
Jack fell ill with diarrhoea, sickness and breathlessness | :58:45. | :58:46. | |
and was admitted to hospital. Medical staff failed to recognise | :58:47. | :58:48. | |
the seriousness of his condition. 11 hours | :58:49. | :58:52. | |
after being admitted to the hospital His doctor Hadiza Bawa-Garba | :58:53. | :58:55. | |
failed to treat him properly. As he suffered a heart attack the | :58:56. | :59:01. | |
doctor told staff not to revive him A junior doctor realised the mistake | :59:02. | :59:05. | |
but it was too late to save him. Doctor Bawa-Garba was convicted of | :59:06. | :59:14. | |
manslaughter by gross negligence. Agency nurse Isabel Amaro was | :59:15. | :59:19. | |
found guilty of the same charge. Let's to talk to Nicola | :59:20. | :59:26. | |
along with her husband Vic. Thank you very much for coming in. | :59:27. | :59:35. | |
Tell us about Jack first of all, what sort of a boy was he? What sort | :59:36. | :59:39. | |
of a boy was he? Yes. He was brilliant. He was full of life. He | :59:40. | :59:46. | |
loved dancing. He loved seeing shows, he loved the Wiggles, he | :59:47. | :59:50. | |
loved books. He just loved life in general. He loved football. You used | :59:51. | :59:54. | |
to take him to the football, didn't you? Yes. He was in hospital a lot | :59:55. | :00:00. | |
of times. It didn't ruin his spirit? Not at all. You would never have | :00:01. | :00:07. | |
known. Had you met Jack, you would not have known he major heart | :00:08. | :00:11. | |
surgery. We used to have to chase him across the playground to get | :00:12. | :00:16. | |
into school and when he came out of school, he you would have to chase | :00:17. | :00:19. | |
him as well. He was full of life. Nothing kept him back. Nothing held | :00:20. | :00:23. | |
him backment he just gave everything a go. So in February 2011, when he | :00:24. | :00:29. | |
got poorly, what were the symptom? What was wrong and were you worried | :00:30. | :00:35. | |
initially? OK. He started with sickness and diarrhoea. At 10pm, he | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
started with sickness on the Thursday evening. Jack had sickness | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
and diarrhoea many times before, just like other children do. It | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
wasn't the sickness and diarrhoea that worried me. It was the | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
following morning we got up, I noticed he was lee that are jibbing, | :00:53. | :00:56. | |
but I put that down to him being awake all night with having the | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
sickness or the runs, but his breathing was quite rapid. I noticed | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
his fingernails had like a hint, of not blue, but a tinge. Something | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
worried me. I phoned the doctors and got him in straightaway, booked an | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
appointment, but I phoned back and said can you get me in now? I took | :01:12. | :01:16. | |
him straight to our local GP who was brilliant and he examined him. I | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
thought has he got a chest infection again? Jack used to suffer with | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
chest infections. He assessed him. And just said I'd like you to take | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
him to the hospital to get a second opinion. I wish I had never took him | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
that day. What happened once you got to the hospital? | :01:33. | :01:40. | |
We went to Ward nine, the assessment unit. We went to reception, there | :01:41. | :01:47. | |
was no urgency. Eventually the sister came to look at Jack and she | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
examine him. He was then taken to a bed where, now I know that she asked | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
for the doctor to come and see him straightaway, and obviously, she | :01:57. | :01:58. | |
assessed him and said he was very dry, which meant he was dehydrated. | :01:59. | :02:04. | |
Obviously, asking me things about Jack, and I told her that he had had | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
major heart surgery, he was on heart medication, just giving her the | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
background history. Giving her the letter which I was given from the | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
GP. And that day, it was not really, we did not really find out anything | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
until after the event. It was not... On that day, we just took him to | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
hospital thinking that he was in the hands of the professionals that were | :02:26. | :02:31. | |
going to make him better. It was not until after we had lost Jack that | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
things started to unravel and we found out more and more and more - | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
we just could not believe it. On that day, though, you really | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
believed he would be looked after as best as possible. Yes, even after | :02:44. | :02:51. | |
the end of the evening, when Jack fell asleep on me, even then when we | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
left, I went up to the doctor and thanked the, for looking after my | :02:57. | :02:59. | |
little boy. I wish I could take those words back. I never knew a | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
thing. We just got told that he died of pneumonia and an internal bleed. | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
That is all we were told. We went back into see Jack and obviously, | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
when we left, the doctor was crying, I was crying, everybody was crying | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
because nobody expected it. The doctor said to me, I am really | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
sorry, I wish the outcome had been different. Now we know what we know, | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
I am not surprised she said that. But at that point I thanked her for | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
looking after him. Because you take your children to hospital... I wish | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
I had kept him at home that day. I wish I had never taken him to | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
hospital. But then I would have been in trouble for duty of care. We did | :03:42. | :03:47. | |
not actually know until the coroners report. What was the moment when it | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
became clear to you that there were issues? We got a phone call on | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
Saturday morning from the hospital. We lost him on the Friday evening. | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
To say, we want to invite you into discuss what happened yesterday. So | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
we went in, there was myself, thick, my mum, my friend who took minutes | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
of the meeting, thankfully. And I remembered lots of things and I | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
remember asking one question, which was, I remember someone coming in | :04:15. | :04:15. | |
the room saying no, was, I remember someone coming in | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
everything. What did you mean by that? That is when things | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
everything. What did you mean by unravel. It was, for a split-second, | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
we got him mixed with another child. Another child who specifically had, | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
do not resuscitate on their records. And that little boy was discharged | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
that afternoon. He was not even in the hospital. But that was applied | :04:37. | :04:43. | |
to your sun? Yes. So he was not resuscitate it. That's correct. So | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
they started resuscitate him, which we now know. The doctor came into | :04:49. | :04:55. | |
the rule -- into the room and told them to stop. She admitted in court | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
that she did not actually look at Jack's face, she did not identify | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
Jack. She saw me and got me mixed up with the other little boy's parent. | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
Then somebody questioned her actions and went over the notes. What they | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
had done in that time is to take me back into the room and said, Jack | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
needs his mummy. He just looked fast asleep. I did not know anything. I | :05:18. | :05:23. | |
just thought he was sleeping. That is when everything started to | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
unravel really. When you heard that, how did you | :05:28. | :05:29. | |
unravel really. When you heard that, believe what I was hearing. What do | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
you mean you got him mixed up with another child? I don't think it | :05:34. | :05:36. | |
really sank in. And then obviously, we spoke to him for a few hours. And | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
then obviously, the police were called, which we were, why are the | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
police here? We have not done anything wrong. We were advised, any | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
sudden death and obviously, of a child, the police would be called | :05:51. | :05:53. | |
within 24 hours. So we gave our statements to the police. The police | :05:54. | :05:59. | |
then spoke to the coroner. And basically from there on, things | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
started to unravel. I just want to say, everybody has been amazing. The | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
coroner was fantastic, the police have been amazing. The prosecution | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
team - without them, we would not be where we are today and have got the | :06:12. | :06:17. | |
verdict we have got. At the time, when the coroner says to us, we had | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
planned his funeral and everything. when the coroner says to us, we had | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
found out that he passed away when the coroner says to us, we had | :06:25. | :06:33. | |
cockle septicaemia to pneumonia, and we went ahead and planned his | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
funeral. We got called back in to be told, I am sorry, we | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
funeral. We got called back in to be that boy. We thought, oh, my | :06:44. | :06:45. | |
funeral. We got called back in to be somebody to blame for this? Looking | :06:46. | :06:47. | |
back now, somebody to blame for this? Looking | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
could not release Jack. And thank God she didn't. As much as it ripped | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
us apart, because we would never have got the verdict that we got. It | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
was 11 weeks after when you could have the funeral? Yes. 11 weeks | :07:01. | :07:07. | |
after. We then laid Jack to rest and we carried on fighting and we have | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
been fighting ever since. You had to go from | :07:13. | :07:14. | |
been fighting ever since. You had to experience for any parent, grieving | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
the loss of your sun, and in an instant, everything changed, and as | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
you put it, you were fighting. How did you cope with that? I don't | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
know. I cannot tell you. People say, how have you got where you are? I | :07:29. | :07:34. | |
don't know. Our daughter, without, I would not be here. Probably the | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
same. She keeps us going. Ruby. How old she? Eight now. She was three | :07:39. | :07:49. | |
when we lost Jack. You said, Howell various people in authority got you | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
through it, the support you had. It has been amazing. Where there are | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
other moments where you felt you were being blocked or was it all | :07:58. | :08:04. | |
done pretty smoothly? I would, when we did not get Jack back 411 weeks, | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
we did not understand why. We are normal people, we do not understand | :08:10. | :08:15. | |
the law, the medical side. Obviously, we wanted our sun back | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
and we needed him back to lay him to rest. -- for 11 weeks. Everybody | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
kept us informed as much as they could. Lots was going on behind the | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
scenes which we did not know, which was very frustrating. But everybody | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
has been amazing. If the coroner had not done what she did, we would not | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
be where we are. We had the inquest should be years three months ago. If | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
the coroner had not question the people as she did and ask the expert | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
what she needed to ask him, and him say, if Jack had been given | :08:46. | :08:52. | |
antibiotics, consultants treatment, intensive care treatment, they would | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
have looked at his blood results, the outcome would have been very | :08:56. | :08:58. | |
different. From that inquest, it then went criminal. Without | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
everybody, support we would not have got that. Everyone has just been | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
amazing. And now, the doctor involved in one of the nurses have | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
both been convicted of manslaughter by gross negligence - how do you | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
feel about the verdict and towards them? We have been fighting for that | :09:16. | :09:22. | |
for so long. When things started to unravel, which we found out a lot at | :09:23. | :09:25. | |
the inquest, we just could not believe what we were hearing. We | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
were just like, oh, my god. If they had done this, this, this and this, | :09:30. | :09:36. | |
he would have still been here. Due to the doctor not getting a | :09:37. | :09:39. | |
consultant, not putting him in intensive care, not looking at his | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
blood tests, holding his antibiotics back for five, nearly six hours, the | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
outcome would have been different. She would have put no other nurses | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
in jeopardy at all. Because of the actions she did or didn't do that | :09:54. | :10:03. | |
day, we have lost our sun. I have always said, I know this situation | :10:04. | :10:11. | |
is very serious, and I have always said, if he had been given the | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
correct treatment on that day, and God forbid we had lost him, we could | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
have said, they were absolutely amazing. We could not say that. They | :10:20. | :10:25. | |
did nothing. How do you feel now about the prospect of having to take | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
a child in for medical care again? I dread the day I have to take Ruby | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
into A When we lost Jack we took out private medical insurance, which | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
only covers you for certain things. If anything happened, we would have | :10:40. | :10:42. | |
to take her to A I dread the day I have to do that. How do you get | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
through it now, al are you coping after the court verdict? Struggling. | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
We were on cloud nine on Wednesday because we wanted that verdict, it | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
is all we have ever wanted, for that doctor to be accountable for what | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
she did or lack of did that day. We were on cloud nine on that day. And | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
then the reality hits and you think, that is so serious. Jack | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
would have still been here. They were simple things, not complicated | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
things, had she done her job right. You just think of the neglect he was | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
given that day and it just... I have gone from being on cloud nine when | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
getting the verdict to writes down but again. We are running on | :11:27. | :11:35. | |
adrenaline, I think. Yes. You are there for each other. But it must be | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
hard? It is hard because we grieve differently. I like to talk. Vic is | :11:40. | :11:47. | |
very quiet. It is very difficult, isn't it? Yes. A lot of people talk | :11:48. | :11:53. | |
about forgiveness. Do you think you will ever be able to for giving this | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
situation? Absolutely not, no chance. I will never get my little | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
boy back. Due to that doctor not doing what she should have done that | :12:03. | :12:08. | |
day. She killed my sun. I am so sorry for your loss. Thank you for | :12:09. | :12:10. | |
coming in. We speak to a woman who set up | :12:11. | :12:17. | |
at date to catch a bogus landlord Let's go back to our top story - | :12:18. | :12:29. | |
David Cameron's demand for the reforms he wants for the UK | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
in the European Union. It's important to the polls | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
on this by 2017 - and it will decide if the UK will stay in or out | :12:38. | :12:40. | |
of the European Union. In the last hour, | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
the Prime Minister has given a speech explaining why the | :12:44. | :12:45. | |
European Union should be reformed. He has also written a letter to the | :12:46. | :12:48. | |
president of the European Council with his demands for changes, which | :12:49. | :12:51. | |
include changes to benefits some migrants can claim and taking steps | :12:52. | :12:53. | |
to protect the UK from giving money to bail out struggling countries, | :12:54. | :12:56. | |
as happened with Greece. Now let's speak to our political | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
guru Norman Smith for the details. How much detail? Well, we got the | :13:00. | :13:06. | |
gist of Mr Cameron's letter. People are piling out now after that | :13:07. | :13:12. | |
speech. He has just left. He said the reforms were substantial | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
reforms, he wanted all of them to addressed, he did not want some sort | :13:16. | :13:18. | |
of pig and Mitch approach from other EU leaders. -- pick and mix. But my | :13:19. | :13:27. | |
feeling was that he was saying to Europe, we are not the bad boys of | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
Europe, actually. We have been in the EU for long time. We are the | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
second biggest economy, we are the main defence force in Europe. We are | :13:36. | :13:41. | |
engaged in Europe, but we have a problem at the moment. We are not | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
signed up to your idea of some ever closer union. And I was struck as | :13:46. | :13:53. | |
all that he again reiterated the very clear warning that if we do not | :13:54. | :13:59. | |
get these sort of reforms, thing yes, we absolutely will leave. He | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
was very clear that this is a decisive moment, a | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
once-in-a-lifetime decision. This is it. Listen to what he said. The | :14:08. | :14:13. | |
renegotiation is now entering its formal phase following several | :14:14. | :14:16. | |
rounds of tech nickel discussions. Today I am writing to the president | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
of the European Council setting out how I want to address the concerns | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
of the British people and why I believe that the changes Britain is | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
seeking will benefit not just Britain but the European Union as a | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
whole. That would of course be for the negotiation itself to conclude | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
the precise legal changes needed to bring about the reforms that Britain | :14:40. | :14:42. | |
needs. But today I want to explain in more detail why we want to make | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
the changes we have set out and how they will make a difference. This is | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
perhaps the most important decision that the British people will have to | :14:53. | :14:55. | |
take at the ballot box in our lifetimes. So I want to set out for | :14:56. | :15:02. | |
the British people why this referendum matters and some of the | :15:03. | :15:04. | |
issues we should weigh up very carefully as the arguments ebb and | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
flow as we approach the referendum. I want to explain to our European | :15:10. | :15:16. | |
partners while we are holding this referendum, what we are asking for | :15:17. | :15:23. | |
and why. That letter is now winging its way over to the president of the | :15:24. | :15:28. | |
European Council, Donald task, for him to consider. So what might Mr | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
Cameron be writing in this letter he has been thinking about for so long? | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
Number one, protecting the pound, making sure the countries which are | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
not in the single currency do not get pushed around by those which | :15:46. | :15:51. | |
are. Number two, helpful business, is ripping back a lot of the EU red | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
tape and regulation, making it easier to do business, making Europe | :15:56. | :16:03. | |
more competitive. Number three, powers for Parliament, making sure | :16:04. | :16:05. | |
that Westminster and other parliaments can club together when | :16:06. | :16:10. | |
necessary to push back against EU legislation. And number four, the | :16:11. | :16:18. | |
most fraught, is benefit curbs. That is plans to restrict the ability of | :16:19. | :16:28. | |
EU migrants to get in work benefits. That would stop them claiming for up | :16:29. | :16:30. | |
to four years. How will the EU respond? We have a | :16:31. | :16:38. | |
critical Christmas summit where the EU will sit down to ponders Mr | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
Cameron's plans. I'm guessing they will be thinking problem number one, | :16:44. | :16:49. | |
is the refugee crisis. Britain hasn't been hugely helpful to the | :16:50. | :16:51. | |
rest of Europe when they have tried to put together a plan to deal with | :16:52. | :16:56. | |
all the Syrian refugees coming to Britain. Problem number two, is that | :16:57. | :17:02. | |
a UK problem, we are always banging on about Europe, John Major was | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
unhappy, Mrs Thatcher was unhappy, we had our referendum back in the | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
70s, is this just other euro winge by Britain? But problem three, which | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
I think will cause them most concern, is benefit bias. And that's | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
because under Mr Cameron's plans to say to EU migrants, looks you can't | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
have tax credits. To many EU leaders, that looks like | :17:28. | :17:29. | |
discrimination because their argument is hang on a sec, you could | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
have a British worker and a Polish worker both doing the same job and | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
yet the British worker would get paid more because they would get tax | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
credits whereas the Polish worker wouldn't. Many EU leaders say that | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
simply is not fair and that flouts one of the founding principles of | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
the EU that there should be free movement of labour. No restrictions | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
or disincentives for people to work in other countries. Now, as I say, | :17:59. | :18:04. | |
that's what's going to be critical a the Christmas summit, but just one | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
thing, I think, worth noting on. On that very difficult benefit demand | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
Mr Cameron did say in his speech he was open to looking at different | :18:14. | :18:19. | |
ways of dealing with this which suggests to me, Joanna, although he | :18:20. | :18:25. | |
is trying to drive a hard bar gape, there is room for negotiation, he is | :18:26. | :18:29. | |
looking for a deal. Thank you, Norman. | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
Thanks for joining us today. Still to come before 11am: | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
hundreds of service personnel say caused mental | :18:38. | :18:46. | |
The Prime Minister is writing to the President of the European Council, | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
to set out the "better deal" he says the UK wants from its EU membership. | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
In a speech this morning, David Cameron said that reaching | :18:56. | :18:57. | |
agreement with the 27 other leaders was a big, but not impossible task, | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
but that the UK has concerns about deeper European integration | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
The commitment in the treaty to an ever closer union is not a | :19:05. | :19:18. | |
commitment that should apply any longer to Britainmed we don't | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
believe in it. We don't subscribe to it. We have a different vision for | :19:23. | :19:23. | |
Europe. The Kremlin has called | :19:24. | :19:25. | |
the accusations that Russia presided over widespread doping | :19:26. | :19:27. | |
and corruption But the country's sports | :19:28. | :19:28. | |
minister says it will co-operate A report yesterday called for Russia | :19:29. | :19:31. | |
to be suspended from world athletics including next | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
year's Olympic Games in Rio. The mother of a six-year-old boy who | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
died in hospital after a You can go back to my day in the 70s | :19:42. | :19:54. | |
and the 80, I don't think anyone would be shocked to find that out. | :19:55. | :19:58. | |
But it is the depth of that which has been amazing. | :19:59. | :20:00. | |
The mother of a six-year-old boy who died in hospital after a | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
catastrophic failure in his care has told this programme she will never | :20:04. | :20:06. | |
Jack Adcock, who had Down's syndrome, died from complications | :20:07. | :20:10. | |
from a chest infection at Leicester Royal Infirmary in 2011. | :20:11. | :20:18. | |
On that day we just took him to hospital thinking he was in the | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
hands of the professionals that were going to make him better. It wasn't | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
until after we lost Jack that then things started unravelling and we | :20:30. | :20:31. | |
found out more and more and more that it was just, we just couldn't | :20:32. | :20:33. | |
believe it. The Chief Executive of Easyjet has | :20:34. | :20:35. | |
warned travellers they face increased security checks both at | :20:36. | :20:37. | |
Sharm el-Sheikh Airport and around the world after a Russian airliner | :20:38. | :20:40. | |
was brought down in a possible EasyJet is one of four airlines | :20:41. | :20:42. | |
which have cancelled all flights to the Egyptian resort for | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
at least another two weeks. Let's catch up with all | :20:48. | :20:53. | |
the sport now and join Olly Foster. Team GB has named | :20:54. | :21:02. | |
a six strong shooting squad 18-year-old European Games gold | :21:03. | :21:04. | |
medallist Amber Hill and World record holder Tim Kneale will be | :21:05. | :21:07. | |
making their Olympic debuts. Sam Burgess says | :21:08. | :21:10. | |
his heart just wasn't in Rugby Union which was one of the reasons | :21:11. | :21:13. | |
why he is returning to Rugby League just a few weeks after playing | :21:14. | :21:16. | |
for England at the World Cup. He's told the Daily Mail that Union | :21:17. | :21:19. | |
didn't give him as much enjoyment and accused certain ex players, | :21:20. | :21:22. | |
coaches and the media The second round draw has been made | :21:23. | :21:24. | |
in the FA Cup, 15 non-league sides they lost to Chesterfield | :21:25. | :21:32. | |
4-1 last night. The former 11 times flat racing | :21:33. | :21:39. | |
champion Pat Eddery has died. Eddery won the Derby three times | :21:40. | :21:41. | |
and won over 4,600 races Those are your sports headlines this | :21:42. | :21:59. | |
morning. See you later, thanks, Obamay. | :22:00. | :22:04. | |
-- Olly. MPs will begin hearing evidence | :22:05. | :22:06. | |
later this morning about the safety of a drug that's | :22:07. | :22:08. | |
widely prescribed to servicemen and The drug is called Lariam, | :22:09. | :22:11. | |
the trade name for mefloquine. Hundreds of ex-service personnel | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
and travellers have complained the drug caused mental health | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
problems, even suicides. One MP who was in the army has told | :22:23. | :22:24. | |
us he knew soldiers who threw their pills away because of fears | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
about the possible side effects. The manufacturers Roche say | :22:29. | :22:30. | |
the benefits outweigh the potential risks but some people | :22:31. | :22:33. | |
say Lariam should be banned. Dan Johnson's report begins with | :22:34. | :22:36. | |
Adam and Andrew who've suffered long-term after effects | :22:37. | :22:38. | |
since taking the drug. My sleep started to become | :22:39. | :22:40. | |
significantly disturbed. It started | :22:41. | :22:42. | |
off with extreme insomnia really. Dizziness, loss of balance, | :22:43. | :22:44. | |
irrational behaviour, Visual disturbances, | :22:45. | :22:46. | |
very extreme nightmares and just I could feel rage boiling | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
inside me physically, it was almost as if blood was | :22:52. | :23:00. | |
heating and pumping through. I remember a man on fire in | :23:01. | :23:03. | |
the corner of my room and smelling him burning and I remember seeing | :23:04. | :23:14. | |
black cats and fragments of things It's the persistent nightmare | :23:15. | :23:21. | |
disorder that is so debilitating, and the dreadful nights that I have | :23:22. | :23:29. | |
every night when you are wondering why did I have those dreadful dreams | :23:30. | :23:36. | |
and thoughts? Andrew's problems with Lariam | :23:37. | :23:41. | |
started when he was posted to He says the Army didn't give him | :23:42. | :23:47. | |
any choice about which drug to take to protect him from malaria, but he | :23:48. | :23:53. | |
soon wished he hadn't taken Lariam. It has left him with | :23:54. | :23:56. | |
a sleep disorder I will only ever sleep for | :23:57. | :23:58. | |
about one hour at a time and the conclusion of that hour of sleep | :23:59. | :24:08. | |
is a very vivid dream and probably between one in ten and one in 20 | :24:09. | :24:15. | |
of those dreams is a nightmare. For example, | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
dreaming that you are in a burning Another nightmare very often | :24:21. | :24:22. | |
involves snakes, and I don't know if this relates to experiences I | :24:23. | :24:30. | |
have had with snakes in west Africa, but those are the sort of dreams | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
that I am prepared to talk about. But there are others that are | :24:35. | :24:42. | |
on a scale way beyond that. I have never discussed | :24:43. | :24:46. | |
the content of those with anyone, Adam has never been in the Army | :24:47. | :24:48. | |
but he did take four Lariam tablets They have had a huge | :24:49. | :25:00. | |
and lasting effect on his life. I still experience extreme | :25:01. | :25:10. | |
nightmares, predominately Depression is quite | :25:11. | :25:14. | |
a significant part of my life now. I went abroad for a two-week holiday | :25:15. | :25:22. | |
and it very much changed Johnny Mercer is a new MP and is | :25:23. | :25:34. | |
on the Defence Committee, Everybody knows there have been | :25:35. | :25:42. | |
rumours about this drug for a long time and the impact that it | :25:43. | :25:49. | |
has on different groups of people. I know people who have just | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
thrown it in the bin. That opens people up to malaria | :25:54. | :25:55. | |
which is a really deadly disease. Back in August when I started this | :25:56. | :26:04. | |
all I wanted to do was to clear up the position on this so our guys | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
and girls can take it safely knowing it will protect them from this | :26:09. | :26:11. | |
deadly disease, but at the same time It is all | :26:12. | :26:18. | |
about clearing up that message really and making sure we are doing | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
right by our service men and women. As we are talking a fellow new MP | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
who shares the same office reveals he once took | :26:29. | :26:31. | |
Larium on a visit to Africa. I went on my trip for a couple | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
of weeks or so and came back and I remember very clearly feeling | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
depressed and my wife saying I was I was reacting quite angrily | :26:41. | :26:42. | |
to situations and I did not Then I read about some | :26:43. | :26:49. | |
of the side-effects that can come with Lariam and kind of put two | :26:50. | :26:54. | |
and two together and realised this It was actually given to me without | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
my proper consent and it was also given to me in the knowledge that I | :26:59. | :27:15. | |
and other people were experiencing dreadful side-effects, | :27:16. | :27:22. | |
but we were denied an alternative. The alternative existed they knew, | :27:23. | :27:24. | |
we didn't. The Ministry of Defence | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
and the Veterans' Agency have been quite resolute in | :27:29. | :27:31. | |
their determination not to address It is an awful indictment on the way | :27:32. | :27:37. | |
that we do things and the way that we are supposed to care about people | :27:38. | :27:43. | |
who have been damaged and making The Ministry | :27:44. | :27:46. | |
of Defence told us it is still backing the use of Lariam and it is | :27:47. | :27:53. | |
only prescribed in accordance with It did introduce risk assessments a | :27:54. | :27:56. | |
couple of years ago for everyone who takes the drug and it is no longer | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
the first choice antimalarial. The MOD does say it has confidence | :28:02. | :28:14. | |
in this drug and I understand that, but I think there are still | :28:15. | :28:17. | |
questions to be asked and that is why the Defence Select | :28:18. | :28:20. | |
Committee is looking into this. There are a number of questions | :28:21. | :28:23. | |
that surround this issue. It is not | :28:24. | :28:25. | |
about me asking the questions, it is not issues that I might have | :28:26. | :28:27. | |
personally, it is families who feel their lives have genuinely changed | :28:28. | :28:30. | |
as a result of using this drug that It is about the families | :28:31. | :28:33. | |
and getting answers for them. If you were heading to one | :28:34. | :28:39. | |
of the areas that was applicable, I would speak to my doctor long | :28:40. | :28:42. | |
and hard about whether or not it was But ultimately malaria is worse | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
because you are going to die Adam sunk so low at one point | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
he thought about suicide. He is now the director | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
of a creative agency and is writing a book about the side-effects he | :28:56. | :28:58. | |
and others have experienced. He is | :28:59. | :29:00. | |
in touch with Andrew who retired Both men have strong feelings | :29:01. | :29:02. | |
about the future for Lariam. This is a problem drug, so why is it | :29:03. | :29:13. | |
still being prescribed on a massive I cannot say it should be banned | :29:14. | :29:17. | |
because I am not medically qualified to say so, but if this was a piece | :29:18. | :29:24. | |
of ammunition and it came with that level of risk - it either failed to | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
work or it blew up in your face, or it presented all sorts of problems - | :29:29. | :29:34. | |
we would have got rid You do not tolerate that level of | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
risk in your equipment and weapons. It is a dangerous drug that is not | :29:40. | :29:46. | |
properly understood and it should only be used | :29:47. | :29:48. | |
in exceptional circumstances. From my perspective because | :29:49. | :29:57. | |
of the extreme nature of what it can effect and do, it should be made | :29:58. | :30:15. | |
illegal, it should be outlawed. The manufacturers say the benefits of | :30:16. | :30:20. | |
the drug outweigh the risks, and they advise health care | :30:21. | :30:22. | |
professionals to follow its own advice. | :30:23. | :30:25. | |
Still to come - Seaworld in California waves goodbye to some of | :30:26. | :30:28. | |
its controversial killer whale displays - we'll find out why. | :30:29. | :30:30. | |
Finding somewhere to live can be a real struggle - but imagine | :30:31. | :30:33. | |
the frustration if the place you've fallen in love was all a con. | :30:34. | :30:40. | |
That's what happened to Otilija Baublyte, | :30:41. | :30:43. | |
who handed over ?1,000 to secure a flat to a man she later discovered | :30:44. | :30:46. | |
was a bogus landlord who didn't own the property he was offering her. | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
She decided to take the matter in her own hands and devised | :30:52. | :30:54. | |
In court he admitted two charges of false representation | :30:55. | :31:00. | |
But this is when she finally caught up with him. | :31:01. | :31:07. | |
Otilija Baublyte is here with us now. | :31:08. | :31:33. | |
That man has finally been sentenced. Just talk us through that moment. | :31:34. | :31:42. | |
Actually I was waiting to Atiqul Islam to meet me for a date but he | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
was always late. And my brother he was waiting in one of the coffee | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
shops, and my brother, he was waiting in the pub. That is how we | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
just caught him. My boyfriend he came from the left and my brother | :31:55. | :31:57. | |
from the right. And we just caught him. Take us back to the beginning, | :31:58. | :32:04. | |
how you got in touch with him in the first place, because you were | :32:05. | :32:06. | |
looking for somewhere to rent and you thought you had found a great | :32:07. | :32:14. | |
place? Exactly. Actually I put an advertisement on Gumtree that I was | :32:15. | :32:20. | |
looking for a flat or a room. After maybe one week that's why he found | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
me. He contacted me by my mobile phone. He said there was a flat with | :32:25. | :32:27. | |
three bedrooms and I said OK that would be nice to have a look. And we | :32:28. | :32:33. | |
met another day. And the flat looked really nice. There was three small | :32:34. | :32:39. | |
bedrooms but I thought, for ?1000 it is a really good price in London | :32:40. | :32:45. | |
because everywhere else was really expensive. I was waiting for the | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
keys but I had already given the money to him and I had already | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
signed the contract and given him a copy of my passport. And I thought | :32:53. | :32:56. | |
this looks OK. And my boyfriend, he was also with me. And after that, we | :32:57. | :33:04. | |
were just keeping waiting for the keys and he did not show up. So I | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
just kept calling to him but he was ignoring my calls. And after that, | :33:09. | :33:15. | |
one day after I finish work, I just tried to call him and he answered my | :33:16. | :33:19. | |
phone. But I did not mention about money or something, I just said, how | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
are you, nice to speak to you, something like that. And I just | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
said, I broke up with my boyfriend, thought you were really lies man, | :33:30. | :33:35. | |
blah, blah, blah. It is the moment when you decided you were going to | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
trap him? Exactly. Going back to how he managed to con you, he obviously | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
had access to this flat, so was there no sign at all? There was | :33:46. | :33:49. | |
actually one lady, and she opened the door for us. And it looked like, | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
I don't know what she was thinking but she just showed the flat to us | :33:56. | :33:59. | |
and I thought it was OK. But after a few days I checked the flat and she | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
opened the door, and I said, I have been there last week and I would | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
like to move here like, I don't know, next week. And she said, I am | :34:09. | :34:16. | |
not moving anywhere. It is my house. It is a council house. And I was | :34:17. | :34:21. | |
just, OK. So he did not own it and he had no way of letting it to you | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
and he had taken ?1000 from you? Exactly. And then he said, don't | :34:25. | :34:31. | |
worry, if you don't want this flat I can give it to other people. I said, | :34:32. | :34:37. | |
it is OK, I can pay you the deposit. So you totally trusted him. You knew | :34:38. | :34:42. | |
something was going on. Why didn't you go to the police? Actually I did | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
not expect... I don't know I thought maybe I should try by myself first. | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
I did not expect the police would take it seriously because maybe it | :34:52. | :34:57. | |
was a little my fault. And I thought, let's try to catch him in | :34:58. | :35:04. | |
this way, so that is why. And it was all quite straightforward in the | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
end. He was ignoring your calls and he got back in touch when he thought | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
he could go out on a date with you? Yes, I don't know why. Sometimes his | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
phone was off but as I said, 1 o'clock in the evening when I finish | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
my work, I just called him, I don't know, just for luck, and he | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
answered. I was so happy. And then he was just chatting around four | :35:28. | :35:31. | |
o'clock in the morning. And then I asked him to go with me. What made | :35:32. | :35:36. | |
you think of doing that? Actually I just... It was risky, wasn't it? | :35:37. | :35:44. | |
Were you not worried about arranging to meet him? I was a bit scared, and | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
the same evening he offered for me that he can bring some pizza for us | :35:51. | :35:56. | |
and we can have dinner. I said, no, let's meet the same day but like | :35:57. | :36:00. | |
three o'clock. And then he accepted. And I thought, OK, let's try. So, do | :36:01. | :36:07. | |
you think this is a scam which could happen to anybody? To anyone, yes. | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
You give your advertisement first and then anyone can contact you, | :36:13. | :36:18. | |
anyone. So you have had a big lesson. What advice would you give | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
to other people? In the same second you need to give money but you need | :36:23. | :36:26. | |
to get the keys as well. Otherwise you will just be waiting for | :36:27. | :36:31. | |
unlimited time and you will not get them. You are sorted now with | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
somewhere to live. Yes! We spoke to Gumtree - | :36:35. | :36:37. | |
they told us... The American wildlife park Sea World | :36:38. | :36:58. | |
is planning to phase out some of its more controversial shows | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
involving killer whales, or Orcas. It follows mounting criticism from | :37:03. | :37:04. | |
activists who say keeping orcas in The company says it will replace | :37:05. | :37:08. | |
its shows with an exhibition Robb Lott is | :37:09. | :37:14. | |
from the organisation Whale and Dolphin Conservation - he's part | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
of the anti-captivity team. What is your reaction to this news? | :37:20. | :37:31. | |
Good morning. A little cynical. I think it may be a public relations | :37:32. | :37:39. | |
exercise. Sea World is trying to reverse its decline in attendance | :37:40. | :37:41. | |
and repair its tarnished image. The fact remains that the orcas will | :37:42. | :37:47. | |
still be in a concrete tank. These are incredible teachers and they are | :37:48. | :37:54. | |
too big, smart, powerful and mobile over to thrive in such a lot of | :37:55. | :37:59. | |
visual environment. -- creatures. What impact would you say that | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
environment has on them? Well, it is proven to cause physical and | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
psychological damage to the orcas. The animal mortality rate for | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
captive orcas is nearly 2.5 times that of wild orcas. We know that in | :38:14. | :38:20. | |
the wild, there is one orca off the coast of the Pacific Northwest which | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
researchers believe to be more than 100 years old. Sadly in captivity, | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
they rarely survive beyond their early twenties. Sea World would say | :38:30. | :38:36. | |
that it is looking after these whales, protecting them, letting | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
people know about the animals and seeing them in action? Yes, they do. | :38:42. | :38:49. | |
And going back to the mortality rate, they talk about the | :38:50. | :38:52. | |
world-class veterinary care which they provide. They talk about the | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
restaurant quality fish which they provide. The fact remains, they do | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
live these shorter, impoverished lives. And the conservation angle, | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
we did some work at Whale and Dolphin Conservation a few years ago | :39:06. | :39:14. | |
and we've found that just 5 cents out of an $80 ticket actually goes | :39:15. | :39:20. | |
towards conservation. And this applies only to California, not | :39:21. | :39:25. | |
Texas or Florida. If the company really wants to project this more | :39:26. | :39:29. | |
natural environment and have a strong conservation message, then | :39:30. | :39:31. | |
why not roll it out to the other parks in the United States? Could | :39:32. | :39:36. | |
these animals ever be released into the wild? Well, Sea World has five | :39:37. | :39:42. | |
orcas which were captured from the wild and most of them came from | :39:43. | :39:46. | |
Iceland in the late 1970s and early 1980s. There is one individual | :39:47. | :39:52. | |
called Corky who came from the waters of the Pacific Northwest off | :39:53. | :39:58. | |
the course -- off the coast of British Columbia. She was captured | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
in 1969. Incredibly she has survived such a long time. She will be | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
probably 50 years old this year. We know a lot about her family in the | :40:08. | :40:12. | |
wild. Just last summer we were out in Vancouver Island and we saw her | :40:13. | :40:18. | |
brother and sister who is still swimming wild and free. It could be | :40:19. | :40:23. | |
a retirement project for Corky to reintroduce her to her ancestral | :40:24. | :40:29. | |
waters. This would take the form of an Ocean Sanctuary to monitor her | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
behaviour from that point on. But in the wild she would be in the prime | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
of her life now. We have got lots of people getting in touch on this one. | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
Jacqueline says on Facebook, if you have ever seen them in the wild, you | :40:43. | :40:45. | |
would know how cruel Sea World and others are. This one says, we do not | :40:46. | :40:52. | |
need aquariums, either. Always return them to the wild. This one | :40:53. | :40:59. | |
says, any animals kept in captivity should not be used to boost people | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
selling income. They should not be used to entertain people. Are there | :41:05. | :41:08. | |
many other places which have got killer whales like this? Yes, there | :41:09. | :41:13. | |
is two facilities in Europe, one in the south of France and one in | :41:14. | :41:21. | |
Tenerife. The orcas in the second one actually belong to Sea World as | :41:22. | :41:26. | |
part of a breeding loan. Around the world there are 58 orcas in | :41:27. | :41:29. | |
captivity at the moment. The worrying thing is what is happening | :41:30. | :41:38. | |
with the Chinese market. They are opening these huge facilities and | :41:39. | :41:41. | |
they have got ambitious plans to bring in wild orcas and wild beluga | :41:42. | :41:46. | |
whales from Russia. Russia is the only place in the world today where | :41:47. | :41:54. | |
you can legally capture wild orcas. This is an absolutely barbaric | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
operation. A lot of animals get injured in the process or die in | :42:00. | :42:02. | |
transportation and then go onto impoverished life in captivity. In | :42:03. | :42:09. | |
the end, people do pay to go along to see killer whales in the kinds of | :42:10. | :42:13. | |
shows which Sea World has been putting on? They do, but | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
shows which Sea World has been at the UK for example, we closed our | :42:18. | :42:23. | |
doors on the last orca nearly 20 years ago. And today there remains | :42:24. | :42:26. | |
no public desire or political will ever for them to reopen it | :42:27. | :42:35. | |
no public desire or political will UK. I think this is a PR exercise | :42:36. | :42:38. | |
following UK. I think this is a PR exercise | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
Sea World. It was very scant on the detail as to what | :42:43. | :42:45. | |
Sea World. It was very scant on the experience would be. And I have to | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
question the fact that these orcas, highly mobile, I can swim 100 miles | :42:50. | :42:55. | |
in a day, are still confined to these concrete tanks. So just what | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
naturalistic environment they could offer just defeats me, really, I do | :43:01. | :43:03. | |
not understand how that could be possible. Thank you very much for | :43:04. | :43:10. | |
joining us. A lot of you have been getting in touch after our | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
conversation with Nicola Adcock, whose son died in hospital after | :43:16. | :43:18. | |
catastrophic failure in his care in hospital. This one says, so sorry to | :43:19. | :43:23. | |
hear about Jack. Hope the NHS learn their lessons. This one says, you | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
cannot tarnish the whole of the NHS with this. This one says, private | :43:29. | :43:34. | |
medics make terrible mistakes, too. But the NHS will carry on saving | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
lives. You can watch the interview again on most run programme page. | :43:40. | :43:44. | |
Join us again tomorrow. Continuing reaction to David Cameron's speech | :43:45. | :43:55. | |
on Europe will be on BBC News throughout the day. Bye-bye. | :43:56. | :44:02. | |
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