11/11/2015 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 9.15, I'm Joanna Gosling in for

Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

as the nation remembers the British military deaths since World War I,

we'll speak to four men who served in some of the biggest

I Frank Rosier and was in with you in the next few minutes.

I Frank Rosier and was in Gloucestershire Regiment. I am

Doctor David Jackson and I served in the Falklands and Northern Ireland.

I am Mike North and I served in the Gulf and Northern Ireland. I am

serving officer in the Royal offered sure -- Oxfordshire engineers.

Plus, we'll bring you Victoria's latest video diary, following her

I am having my first session of chemotherapy, part of my treatment

for cancer. The chemotherapy drugs are being given to me. It is an

insurance policy, that is how it is described to me, in case there are

any microscopic traces of cancer elsewhere in my body. The

chemotherapy drugs will kill it, as well as the good cells, but that is

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Over 1.2 million British military have been killed in conflicts

since World War 1 and today a two-minute silence will

be observed to commemorate those who died in the two world wars

It starts at the eleventh hour of the eleventh day

of the eleventh month, the time in 1918 when the guns fell silent along

the Western Front, and an armistice, or a truce, was declared.

It has been known as Armistice Day ever since.

Our correspondents will be across the UK

at 11 bringing you that two-minute silence this morning, but first,

we've brought together veterans from a number of different conflicts

Britain's been involved in over the years to share their experiences.

Joining us here in the studio are Frank Rosier, who served in the

Second World War and took part in the DDay landings, Dr David Jackson,

who served with the marines in the Falklands and in Northern Ireland,

Mike Lobb, who served in the Gulf War in 1990

and Major Sartaj Singh Gogna, who's still in the army and has done

Thanks for joining us today - still to come. We'll bring you Victoria's

You all have different experiences of different conflicts, but first to

tell me what Armistice Day means for you. Possibly because I and the

eldest here, my generation is the last link to the First World War

veterans because it was our parents and uncles who fought that war. I

have very fond memories of my two uncles and my dad who got wounded in

the war. I remember them quite a lot and I also remember the lads I left

behind in Normandy. They were very young boys and I will never forget

those boys. So, Remembrance Day, the 11th of the 11th, is very important

for me. I think for me it is about remembering. For me it is about loss

and I had two great uncles who served in the First World War, so

again it is also about reflecting on their loss, which is a connection to

my family as well. For me it is about thinking about losing my best

friends. I come from a long line of military people. My grandfather

served in the Second World War and my father served after that and they

are both no longer with us. It is a chance for me to remember them and

other friends. We have all lost people that we served with, but for

me it is also about looking forward. We lost people so that we could move

on and other people could move on and that is the way I like to think

of it. For me remembrance is as much as it is a time to think about those

who we have lost, it is also time to think about what they have left

behind and the families who remain. One individual going down impact

upon the team, not just that individual. The team extends to

their families and the way we look after them. During my service,

having lost soldiers, it is remembering their families and how

we can support them as well. The great sacrifice those individuals

have given. You have all spoken of how loss has touched you and you

have all been involved in conflicts. Frank, you spoke of the young age of

many of those who served in the Second World War alongside you. You

were only 17 when you signed up. What I was never told was that by

1942 we were running out of men, so they lowered the recruiting age to

17. That is when everybody of that age volunteered. I would go as far

to say more than half the armed forces those days were volunteers.

Consequently we volunteered at 17 and after training, by the time we

got to D-Day, the eldest amongst us would be in their early 20s. To

think that really we got through it because of the comradeship of the

fellows I was with. We helped one another. The British Army has a

wonderful weapon called humour, and the ability to laugh at situations.

It gets you out of trouble time and time again. But leaving those young

boys, there are 14 in a French cemetery, and I go over there and I

still cry. The youngest was 19 and the eldest was 24. That was 14th in

my platoon. Others were killed elsewhere. I came home wounded. Very

few of us got through the war unhurt. Many were wounded and went

back again. There is a lot to think about these days. I spent four years

in hospital in a plastic surgery unit and I think of those lads who I

was with, the same age but who lost their legs and who were badly

burned. How did they get on in life? What happened to them? There is an

awful lot to remember and an awful lot to be sad about. The thing about

experiencing war is if you have four of us sitting in a room we do not

need to talk about war, I know it is a cliched the band of Brothers, but

we have a common understanding that does not need words. What is

important is what you do afterwards and how you lead your life. And in

some ways to me it is about living life with passion and moving on.

Does it matter if others understand what you have been through? Today it

is about the nation remembering. Does it matter? It is important

society has a better understanding of the culture and some of the

difficulties war veterans and families have in society. I run a

group that encourages a better dialogue between the civilian world

and the ex-Armed Forces world. That is really important. Frank was in

the Army at a time when a lot of people had families who understood

what is going on. Perhaps the service we had, the Falklands,

Northern Ireland, that blended into normal life for a lot of people. But

one thing that strikes me now is because the armed services have been

involved in conflict pretty much for the last 12 or 15 years, it is very

definitely at the front of people's minds. Everybody knows somebody who

has been injured or killed. Mother, father, sons and daughters. They are

all really close to it. There is a lot of things that have happened

from a veteran's perspective like Help For Heroes. It puts it to the

front or people's minds now. It is always important that everybody

outside the military understands what we go through. If nothing else

to prevent future conflicts. Conflict is not a nice place to be.

Without that broad understanding of the horrors of war and that memory

of the sacrifices that individuals have had to make an families have

had to make and regiments that were decimated, particularly during the

First World War and the second, you could hope to prevent conflict in

future. You have to sit down and take a moment to remember exactly

what that conflict has meant to us. You say conflict is not a nice place

to be. Either You say conflict is not a nice place

saw always there for you? take five seconds. It was always us

and weak on the front line. Most of War, rather than the First World

War, was 20 yards apart targets. Tanks and planes, ships, targets,

infantry, targets. On this occasion I came face-to-face with this young

German boy and to this day why did we not say good morning? We didn't,

we both took out our weapons and I won. I sat down on the ground and I

cried and it is not nice and it is not easy to kill another human

being. That sticks in my mind. This young, German boy, a mother's son. I

lost a 2 brothers. My mother with thousands of other women, I am not

being patronising, went to hell and back. They never get a mention, the

wives in the First World War, the mothers who went through hell and

back quite often. That I feel sorry about. You are still having to leave

your family behind. How do they get through that? It is strength, my

wife supports me day in, day out in my career. When we found in 2012I

was about to go to Afghanistan, the week before we found out we were

expecting. I knew what the implication of that was. I was going

to miss the birth of my daughter, but I was fortunate I married a

woman who is so strong that she held the fort whilst I went off and did

what I had to do. I was lucky that I had the support of my commander to

get back in time for the birth. Testament to the character of my

wife who then carried on on her own for three months whilst I went back

to service and finish of the rest of the tour. Our families are one of

our greatest bonuses and without them that we would not be where we

are today. I will always be eternally thankful for my wife or

all the support she has shown. It is a way of life some people might

think why choose that? Why do something else that might be

easier? I wanted a life less ordinary. I started going to

university and reading pharmacy and very quickly I realised for me that

was not going to cut the mustard. I wanted something that inspired me

and motivated me to be a better person. Having seen the likes of

Mike go through the Gulf campaign that is what inspired me to pick up

the gauntlet and go forth and sign up. In the last 15 years I have had

a cracking career around the world and I have had a lot of experience

and have made a lot of friends. I have lost some, but it is their

memory that we hold today. I would never have changed that decision.

What about the element of service and the pride that comes with that?

I was an ugly kid, so I thought U might help me out. But I also played

a lot of sport and being part of a on the rugby pitch is hugely

important to me. 15 people working together to beat 15 people. Joining

the military is the same thing. I was saying earlier on I joined the

Royal engineers and I love the royal engineers and all the squadron and

the guys I have served with. It was not until I went to conflict that I

looked further than that and saw how well the infantry operate, how well

the artillery and the cavalry operates and you get a real sense

that you are part of a much bigger team. That is hugely important. Is

it important to all of you that people wear poppies today? That

people observe the silence? Yes, because people do and people are

kind in buying those poppies. As a better and I have sold poppies in

the past. Even though I am wearing a poppy, they put their money in the

ten because I am a veteran. I am a member of the British Legion. What

they do with that money is pretty good. Building homes for wounded

soldiers and Help The Heroes. There is quite a lot going for us. They

are better than the government. The support seems to be lacking. We get

help from the Legion, from Help For Heroes and people in the street as

soon as they know you are a veteran. What support would you like

from the government? I should not say this, but I know somebody who

was in Iraq and he lost his legs and he was told he was fit for work and

they stopped his benefit. That is not right. That lad deserves better

than a benefit, he deserves a lot more than that. We got a war pension

which I draw today and it is pretty good. It was given to us by the

governments in the 40s. I do not know what they get today. My

response to do the government do enough? What I found, and I mean in

the collective we, what would you like from society? Nobody has sat us

down and asked us what we want from society. There are a lot of

assumptions about what we need. There are lots of charities out

there who are fantastic, small charities, certainly down in Devon

and Cornwall, but the fragmentation of it means there are charities

everywhere and they do not seem to get together collectively. It is

people replicating the same work. If I was to have a minister here I

would say you need to bring this all under one umbrella and work together

and work collectively as a team, which is what we were like in a

team. As the Second World War defined you and your life? I have

had a smashing life. I have enjoyed myself. Good Lord gave me the

ability to play football and he gave me a brain and my best job was as

postman and one day he will kick me upstairs. I had a lovely wife and a

lovely son. Unfortunately I have outlived them both. The war has not

affected me a bit. I know I lost my eye, but I say I never lost it. I

was young enough. Thank you very much for coming

in as the nation prepares to remember.

Still to come, we'll bring you Victoria's latest

video diary, following her first chemotherapy session.

And unemployment fell down to 1.75 million. We will bring you reaction.

The latest unemployment figures are out and they show unemployment fell

As we've just mentioned, a two-minute silence will be

observed across the UK at 11 o'clock to remember the nation's war dead.

Over 1.2 million British military personnel have been killed

Victoria Derbyshire has shared the experience of her first chemotherapy

session, as she continues her battle against breast cancer.

In the video diary, she explains the process of undergoing treatment.

She explains the process of undergoing treatment. On my head I

am wearing a cold cap which is to cool my scalp so it reduces the

blood flow to my scalp, therefore it reduces the chemotherapy drugs going

to my head, which should minimise or reduce hair loss, which is one of

One of the heads of Russian athletics has acknowledged that

the country does have a problem with doping.

Mikhail Butov, the General Secretary of

the All-Russia Athletic Federation, has responded to the report

by an independent commission, which accused his country's sportsmen

TalkTalk has confirmed this morning that the cyber-attack

on its website will cost the company an estimated ?30 million.

The personal details of more than 150,000 customers were

Of those, more than 15,000 had their bank account numbers

Let's catch up with the sport. We will have more on the Russian doping

scandal in athletics were today the IAAF president Sebastian Coe has

said he will clear up the sport. Not everyone is convinced he is the man

to clear up the situation. We will get the latest from our

correspondent Richard Conway. Sam Burgess explained his decision to go

back to rugby league. He did not have the stomach for the fight in

rugby union, according to his coach Mike Ford. We will hear from Sam

Burgess himself. After England's test series defeat against Pakistan

they have a chance to put that behind them with the first one-day

international which gets under way at 11am in Abu Dhabi.

The latest employment figures are just out.

Our business correspondent Ben Thompson is here.

Talk us through the figures. Headline rate fell to 5.3%. That is

down again on the period before. It is interesting because we have been

seeing this trend downwards of the number of people out of work and the

numbers claiming jobseeker's allowance. 31.2 million people in

work, that is up by 177,000. Also a big rise in the number of people

working full-time. We have talked about the unemployment number coming

down, but that has been hiding the fact people are working part-time

and fewer hours, and they have not been able to add as much as they did

before. We have had news on average earnings. That gives us an

indication of whether we are feeling better off. We are told they are

rising by 2.5%. That is below what we were expecting. We were looking

for a figure of 3.2 or 3.3%. Average earnings now rising by 2.5%. But the

important thing is inflation, the rise in costs of goods and services

and last month that went negative. The gap between what we are spending

and earning is getting bigger. In theory it means we should be better

off in our pockets. It sounds like a pretty good picture overall. Just

one thought. The chief executive of Tesco, Dave Lewis, has been speaking

about the national living wage and predicting that could lead to job

losses. Those comments were interesting earlier and he was

talking about the perfect storm and he was talking about the business

rates and the national living wage which starts in April next year. He

said taken together that could cost business about ?14 billion. What is

interesting is they are saying we will have to be careful about

whether we take on more staff because we will have to pay them

more. There is a real focus on people paying the wage because the

government is not going to subsidise people through tax credits. But it

is interesting. I have had a statement from the Chancellor saying

the unemployment figures are good and he said the employment rate has

never been higher and we are working towards full employment, but he

points out there are 7500 job vacancies in the UK. There are still

jobs available, but the issue is making sure we have the right people

with the right skills for the right jobs. Employers often tell me they

have vacancies, but they cannot find the right people. Training is not in

the right areas to get people into work. Many people are retraining.

Traditional industries are dying, and the steel industry laying off

workers. The trick will be getting those people retrain and into jobs

that are available into different jobs. Can retrain those people for

the jobs that are available? That will be the big challenge to fill

these vacancies. We will be speaking to Priti Patel, the Employment

Minister a bit later. We will also bring new pictorial's latest video

diary after her breast cancer diagnosis and her first chemotherapy

More than half of all Muslims in the UK believe government

policies have had a negative impact on their lives.

That's according to a new report exclusively shown to this programme.

A study by the Islamic Human Rights Commission found many

people feel they've been treated with suspicion and mistrust.

The report's authors say the government's security

and anti-extremism measures, among other policies,

have fuelled discrimination against Muslims in Britain.

In the next hour, we'll get reaction, but first,

Divya Talwar from the BBC's Asian Network has this investigation.

Our finding suggests homophobia in the UK is at unprecedented levels.

You are an F word, a bomber, a terrorist.

My biggest fear is to be killed in the street. Muslims are viewed with

suspicion and mistrust, we are blamed for everything. I do not know

what life is like without Islam phobia or racism. We will be the

scapegoats for a very long time. The government has promised to do

more to tackle Islam phobia, but with controversial laws introduced

this year, will it make the problem worse? A new report claims

government policies like those countering extremism are one of the

reasons many Muslims feel like they are coming under suspicion, I'm

facing discrimination and even abuse. The report says incidents

like this are happening around the country. This video has gone viral.

It shows a lady shouting racist abuse at two Muslim women travelling

on a bus in London. At one point she threatens to kick one of the women

who is pregnant in the stomach. Anti-Muslim abuse like this, whether

it is verbal abuse, physical assaults or even arson attacks on

mosques are thought to be on the rise. New research suggests two out

of every five Muslims has faced some kind of abuse in the UK. Every

morning before going to work, this lady recites a prayer. She says it

is for her protection, to keep her safe when she leaves her house. She

is 29 and was born in Saudi Arabia and moved to Cardiff as a child. She

started wearing a face veil when she was 14. She said it made her a

target for abuse, but recently it has become so frequent she is scared

to leave her home. Isil has been constantly connected to Muslims in

the media and a lot of the public cannot differentiate between Muslims

and Isil. The kind of abuse I get has increased recently. And I get it

everywhere I go. Tell me about what you have experienced. The abuse can

be verbal and sometimes physical. People pass by and try to take off

my bail. These abusers can use the F word, you are a bomber or a

terrorist. Do not cut off my head. She used to report the abuse to the

pleas, but she says nothing ever happens, so she rarely does.

Recently there have been physical attacks where people try to rip her

bail. She says she is constantly looking over her shoulder worried

she will be abused. She has even started taking a different route to

work every morning because she thinks it is safer. What is it like

living in constant fear of being attacked? It makes me feel scared.

It is unfortunate and a shame that you see people saying that they

don't even recognise Islamophobia as a term, let alone the consequences.

Islamophobia has become part of our daily life, and it is real. It is

affecting me on a daily basis. According to a new report by the

Islamist human rights commission, two out of five people questioned

said they had faced verbal or physical abuse. More than 40% said

they had faced discrimination at work or in education, while more

than half of those surveys believed they had been viewed with suspicion

and mistrust. Many Muslims I have spoken to feel they are increasingly

being profiled and criminalised because of laws to tackle extremism.

Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. Iman is white and listen. She

has not told her family, she doesn't think they will approve so we are

keeping her anonymous. Her college suspected she may have been

radicalised and she was reported to officers under the government's

counter extremist agenda, Tapp prevent. Was there any change in

your behaviour that might have aroused any concern? Nothing I

thought would trigger anything at all. I guess that was the reason I

started wearing a hijab, and that was enough for them to contact my

family. The fact that they would think I would be some kind of

terrorist is quite upsetting. What do you think they thought? Maybe I

was in Isis or running away to Syria to get married, I don't know. I

guess Muslim stereotypes were pushed on me. That does show the lack of

understanding towards Islam. I don't think they are doing that for people

who become Christian, I don't think they are doing that with Hindus and

Sikhs and Jews and atheists even. New anti-terrorist mean teachers are

under a duty to report those they suspect at risk of under

radicalisation. The government says it is just alienating Muslim

students. Normal misguided teenagers, a lot of them will get

angry and frustrated and turned people support. If the only support

is people who are extremists, they are pushing them into the hands of

what they are trying to avoid happening. Iman have the meeting

with counter extremism officers last month, she says she was interrogated

about her views and beliefs. When the Prevent officers were happy that

Iman was not a threat, she then said they tried to recruit her to work

for them. Which I thought was quite unusual to ask, after I had been

accused, and then suddenly it is you are OK now, we know you are not a

terrorist but can you come and work for us? It went from one extreme to

the other really. I just can't be a normal Muslim girl who was trying to

get an education and work and do normal things. I have either got to

help within radicalisation or iambic humming radicalised, there is no

middle ground. -- or iamb becoming radicalised. The Home Office say

they cannot comment on individual cases, but it is about protecting

people who might be bombed the ball to the poisoning influence of

radicalisation. The Islamic immigrants commission of -- the

Islamic human rights commission has been looking into this for nearly

two decades. In 2010, a smaller study they carried out suggested a

third of Muslims felt government policies like those countering

extremism had had a negative impact on them. For years on, the authors

behind their latest study say that figure has nearly doubled -- four

years on. We have an environment where Muslims feel suspected and

life is increasingly difficult. The impact of government policies,

particularly those related with security, though not solely, have

really had an impact on silencing Muslims to be honest. Not just from

the point of view of talking about political things, but even to do

things like report anti-Muslim hatred. The government is trying to

tackle Islamophobia. Anti-missal and hate crimes will now be seen as

specific events. All of these things are welcome always. What we need is

a culture change, not little bits of law here and there. It is not to say

everyone in the media, every politician, every person in law

enforcement is some kind of vile anti-Muslim racist, it is not. But

unfortunately we have institutional problems that need to be addressed.

Hussein is 26, a British Muslim of anger dishy origin -- Bangladeshi

origin. Iman used a worthy face veil, but it came to the point when

she had had enough and decided to remove it. That was really

difficult. Do you think you will ever return to it? I do think so, it

is really difficult to wear it here and the abuse I faced when I was

wearing it, I would not want to go back to that. It was scary.

Thahira's home city of Cardiff has come under the spotlight after a

number of young people travelled to Syria to support so-called Islamic

State militants. The small Muslim community here feel they are all

coming and it suspicion, and with new laws meaning that nurseries need

to look out for signs of radicalisation, parents fear that

even their children need to be kept about what they say and how they

react. I know that Muslim kids are being monitored very strictly at

school, even as young at the age of three, and if any signs of extremism

they might show, it is going to be picked up. So I am scared of the

things that come out of her mouth! Like recently, we in a Syria

fundraiser. She donated some of her toys and helped with the wrapping of

the gifts. She keeps talking about that, and she says, money, we will

go to Syria, and we will see my toys, she misses the dolls. We will

go and see the girl who's looking after her. And I said don't say

that, money, we will go to Syria, you don't want anyone to hear.

People will get the wrong impression. What impression do you

think people would get? They would probably think that I, you know, the

worst-case scenario. Joining Isis, I guess.

Most of the people I have spoken to for this film were reluctant to talk

to me at first. They just don't trust journalists. Many feel the

media has an agenda against Muslims, and only negative stories

about Islam get reported. Saha is on a mission to get experience. With

Muslim suspects, guilty until proven innocent, yes, I see it getting

worse unfortunately. But I still am hopeful. I am hopeful of people, the

public, to not be socially conditioned. We are not demons, as

the media perceive us. Not Isis criminals. We are human beings like

you. That was an exclusive That was an exclusive film by

Divya Talwar and Athar Ahmad in collaboration with the

BBC's Asian Network. We asked the Home Office for

their reaction, and they told us: If you want to watch or share that

film, you can find it on our and in the next hour, we'll talk to

one man who says he's been forced to move home as a result

of Islamophobic attacks. Lawrence has texted to say we must

never forget our war dead, heroes every one of them. Thousands come

from my part of the UK, Northern Ireland proudly fought and died for

the cause. I thank them all, may they rest in peace was the Bruce has

tweeted to say watching those veterans, and the major looking

resplendent makes one so proud. A tweet from Jerome, I wear a poppy, I

remember all families of the war dead. Doesn't matter what side they

were on, they left families. Another tweet, absolutely Loving Frank, the

World War II veteran, saying it as it is about benefits. Take note,

David Cameron. Another text, there are no words in language to commend

highly enough the actions of these brave men. Lest we forget.

Jean-Pierre has said this is the least we can do to remember the

bravery of the people who fought for our freedom. Thank you for your

comments, keep getting in touch about Armistice and everything else

we are talking about here on the programme today. Some breaking news

to bring you about the Russian doping scandal. Russia's athletics

Federation say they were given 72 hours from the publication of the

report on doping to respond to the claims in writing. A spokeswoman

says they are currently working on the response and will send it to the

IAAF by Thursday evening. Let's catch up with the weather. Carol is

here with us. There is a storm on the way, Carol.

The first named storm of the season. Abigail is what it will be called. A

big gale. It will not affect everything. It will be largely

north-west Scotland and northern Scotland but it could clip the north

coast of Northern Ireland as well. Looking at gusts of wind from the

storm at about 70 or 80 mph, locally across parts of Scotland it could

even be 90 mph. The Met office have literally just issued an amber

weather warning, which means be prepared for this storm for the

outer Hebrides, the far north of Greenland, Scotland -- mainland

Scotland, and a big one, not affecting everyone though. The rest

of us will be windy but nowhere near as windy as that. It is quite

interesting how they have named the storms forced by Javi little list to

show you. It is very similar to the way the Americans do it. In

alphabetical order, girl, boy, girl, boy, if there is a particularly bad

storm, that name like the American hurricane system will never be

replaced again. The reason they have named the storms is so that you can

focus on them. We will be aware of them, able to track them and it is

only substantial storms that will be named, because we have lots of the

periods of low pressure that will be named, but ones that are likely to

have some impact on the UK or indeed on Ireland, as is the case in this

instance. It will be largely north-west in Scotland. How quickly

we likely to get through the list? That is the multi-million dollar

system, if I knew the answer to that I would be doing the lottery right

now. Hopefully not this many. You will notice some of the names have

not been put in. The same with the Americans, they don't put in certain

letters. Quentin. Ursula. Why could be something else. Jasmine. Z the

Zoe. The list will be replaced. I hope we don't see as many storms as

this. Today it is not stormy weather we are looking at. Today what we

have is much quieter weather. It will be mild once again. It will

also be breezy and there will be some rain around as well. For some

of us, we will also have some sunny spells. In the sunshine temper just

get up to about 17 or indeed 18 Celsius. If we look at the rain, we

have the rain across northern England's slipping down across parts

of Wales as we go through the course of the day. Still some heavy bursts

in it. There will be some sunshine but also some showers. The head of

that band of rain a lot of clout, some drizzle and one or two showers

as well. Temperatures, this is what you can expect, 11 to 15 or 16

Celsius. As we had on through the course of the afternoon we can see

in more detail across south-west England a lot of cloud. The rain not

too far away from the north coast of Devon and also Cornwall. Southern

counties generally, a lot of cloud too with the odd shower here and

there, a wee bit of drizzle. In the used some sunshine, parts of

Lincolnshire and Norfolk we could have 17 or 18 as the high. Then the

rain across Northern Ireland behind it brightening up, a bright

afternoon across most of Scotland and some sunshine, but there will be

showers in the north and west. Across Northern Ireland and

south-west Scotland, we are starting to see some squally showers, very

gusty winds around. Moving quite quickly through. For Wales, a cloudy

and wet afternoon but still tempters not bad for the stage in November.

If we pick up these squally showers moving across Northern Ireland and

Scotland, it will move through quite quickly. Gusts of wind 55 mph. It

could lead to some tricky travelling conditions for the rush-hour. If you

are doing anything to celebrate Diwali, bear that in mind. Behind it

will be nippy. But it is Thursday we see the arrival of Abigail on our

shores. Heading northwards. You can see from the squeezing isobars it

will be windy, particularly on a southern flank. Putting some

pictures on that as we go through the course of Thursday, Thursday

starts off not a bad note for many of us, some sunshine, the breeze

picking up the wind starts to pick up through the day. As the rain

arrives. Across Northern Ireland. The large areas in the West, gusts

of up to 55 mph. This charge stops at 3pm. It is into the evening and

overnight that we have our amber weather warning. The storm really

packs a punch. We are talking again just to remind you northern and

north-western parts of Scotland. The gusts you can see here are gusts. 70

to 80 mph. Locally we could even hit 90 mph so there will be some impact,

possibly power cuts, travel disruption as well. It will pass

through quite quickly though. The other thing it will do is introduce

colder air for a time. There will be some snow on Scottish hills and

mountains during the course of the latter part of Thursday and Friday.

Friday itself will be colder than it has been for a couple of weeks, but

that will be transient. This milder air indicated by the orange colour

will sweep across the UK for the weekend. Once again, we will be

looking at wet and windy conditions. Not as windy as Abigail will bring

us. Finally, as we have a look at Friday, quite a lot of dry weather

around. There will be some sunshine as well, some scattered showers too.

Temperatures going right down to seven, eight or nine. As I

mentioned, the mild conditions, still wet and windy, return to the

weekend. the nation

will pause for a two-minute silence to remember British military deaths

since World War one. This morning veterans have told us

why armistice day is so important. Conflict is not a nice place to be.

Without that broader understanding of the horrors of war, and that

memory of the sacrifices that individuals have had to make,

families have had to make, that the regiments that were decimated,

particularly during the First World War and second, you couldn't hope to

prevent conflict in future. In

a moment we'll bring you Victoria's latest video diary following her

first chemotherapy session. You can feel alert and normal for a

couple of hours, and then suddenly this wave of tiredness hits you and

you just have to go to bed. And that, I have to say, that has made

me feel a bit disconsolate. Everybody reacts, as I have said

before, everybody is different, everybody reacts differently to

treatment and I hope you don't mind me sharing this with you.

And if you want so share our film you can find it now on our

Also coming up in the programme, we'll get reaction after

a senior Russian athletics official acknowledged his country does have

We know our problem is doping. And of course we should change the

mentality of many coaches, especially coaches in the regions.

We are going to get some reaction right now to those unemployment

figures just out, which show unemployment fell by 103,000 between

July and September to 1.75 million. Priti Patel, the employment

minister, is in our Westminster studio. Thank you for joining us. It

looks like a good overall picture. What is your reaction? Now seeing

record levels of implement What is your reaction? Now seeing

the country with the implement rate at 73.7%. That is demonstrating

security and implement opportunities across the economy, very much

through the work of what the government has been doing to secure

our economic future and support government has been doing to secure

businesses as well when it comes to implement growth and job creation.

The chief executive of Tesco has been speaking about job creation.

The chief executive of Tesco has is concerned about the new national

minimum wage and the impact it might have, that it might lead to jobs

being lost. Do you agree with him? We know that the Office for Budget

Responsibility also stated that we will see over a million jobs being

created as well. I think it is right we have a national living wage so

that we can see wages are higher, and at the same time we stopped the

subsidising of low wages through welfare. This government was elected

with a very clear manifesto pledge and a commitment to reduce the

welfare budget, to secure our economy and deal with the problem of

low wages which is what we will be doing with the new introduction of

the national living wage. Sunday trading would have helped to boost

the economy and employment. It has been knocked back by the SNP 's.

Should the government have fought harder? When it comes to implement

opportunities it is the job of the government could the right

conditions for economic growth and job creation and that is what we

have been doing. With regards to Sunday trading, there is no doubt

that consumer patterns have changed. We see this through supermarkets and

people shopping online as well, so there is a great case to be made for

reforming our Sunday trading laws and that is something the government

will continue to make the case for. Your thoughts on tax credits? There

is a report accusing the Treasury of being an acceptably evasive. The

Treasury has said it will introduce new measures to mitigate the impact.

It has taken a long time though. There has been a Lords revolt, a lot

of criticism from the Tory party as well. How has this been handled? The

House of Lords voted in an unconstitutional way. Let me be

clear here, the Chancellor has stated that he will outline the

transitional measures, the support that will help people in the Autumn

Statement in about three weeks' time. But I think we have to remind

ourselves as to how we got into the situation in the first place. Back

in 2010, nine out of ten households and families were being subsidised

through tax credits in the form of welfare. We have been very clear

that through the welfare reform the destination is still the same, that

we will continue to reform welfare, but as the Chancellor said through

the Autumn Statement he will outline how he will reform. We will continue

to reform welfare. On that point about the people who are impacted as

the changes take place, the warnings have been going on for some time.

The Chancellor, it looks like the Treasury either failed to see the

impact or you didn't care. I would disagree with that come completely

on the contrary. The Chancellor has been very clear, he will outline the

measures in terms of transitional help and reform and the support he

will put in place in the Autumn Statement later on. We are reforming

welfare so we can ensure we have lower welfare. We inherited a system

back in 2010 that was completely unsustainable. The tax credit bill

has shot up from 6 billion since when it was first introduced over

?30 billion. That is why we need our welfare reform measures. We will

support those families with regards to transitional support and the

Chancellor will outline that in the Autumn Statement later this month.

The government is doing the right thing, through other measures such

as the increase in the national living wage, support with more help

with childcare as well. It is that wider package that will help

families to ensure they are better off in the long run. Priti Patel,

thank you. The rest of our news headlines.

As we've just mentioned a two-minutes silence will be

observed across the UK at 11 o'clock to remember the nation's war dead.

Over 1.2 million British military personnel have been killed

I remember the land that I left behind in Normandy. They were very

young boys. I will still never forget those boys that I fought

with. So Remembrance Day, the 11th of the 11th, is very important to

me. Victoria Derbyshire has Victoria Derbyshire has shared the

experience of her first chemotherapy session in the video diary she is

keeping for this programme. In this part that we are showing

in full at 10:00, she explains the on my head, I'm wearing a cold cap,

which is to cool my scalp so it reduces the blood flow to my scalp,

therefore it reduces the chemotherapy drugs going to my head,

which hopefully should minimise or reduce hair loss, which is one of

the chemotherapy drugs going to my head, which hopefully should

minimise or reduce hair loss, which is one of these

One of the heads of Russian athletics has acknowledged that

the country does have a problem with doping.

Mikahil Butov, the General Secretary of

the All-Russia Athletic Federation, has responded to the report

by an independent commission which accused his country's sportsmen

side at least 14 people are thought to have drowned after a migrant boat

sank on its way to grease off the island of Lesbos. What is the

latest? All of this happened on the Turkish side of the Aegean Sea so we

are relying on the Turkish state media to tell us what actually

happened here. We know that 14 people have died. 27 people were

rescued. They were pulled from the water and taken to the coast. There

is a search going on now to try to find if anyone else perished in

these waters. Seven of the people who died here were children, in seas

that have seen so much death already. To put this into context,

last month alone 160 people, more than that, died in the seas here

trying to make this journey from Turkey to Greece to get to Europe.

Iraq is and Syrians. They meet in Malta today, the EU leaders, their

focus is on the Mediterranean route to Africa, they will be thinking

about what happens here. 600,000 people are expected to make this

journey before the year is out. Winter is coming. More people will

die. So there is pressure on European leaders to try to find a

solution to end this migration crisis.

Let's catch up with all of the sport. The IAAF president Lord Coe

featuring in many of the day's papers as this Russian athletic

scandal rolls on. Lord Coe coming in for some heavy criticism actually.

Now he is in the firing line, according to the Daily Mail. MPs

demand answers on his handling of this doping crisis.

Edgewater, the head of UK Athletics having a bit of a go. You can see

here in the mirror, the lead from the front, said, Daley Thompson

calling for Seb Coe to show strongly the ship. Laming

Lord Coe says he will chair a council meeting on Friday where

Russia's immediate future in athletics will be decided. The

International Olympic Committee president believes Seb Coe and

Russia can resolve the situation. We are convinced that the new president

Sebastian Coates do whatever is necessary, and also Marussia will

cooperate to make progress, and to be sure that Russian athletics is

compliant with Wada. This is what it needs to be to participate in the

Olympic games will stop Richard Conway has been following the story

and interviewed Lord Coe this week. What realistic chance do Marussia

having competing in Rio next summer? After listening to Thomas

Bach, they will be in courage. He may not have the same kind of

profile as Sepp Blatter or even Lord Coe but he is effectively the most

important man in world sport. He is the president of the International

Olympic committee, and what he says carries weight. If we come back to

the international fold and agree with changes and reforms that need

to happen according to the Wada International committee report, they

can effectively be rehabilitated. It will be a relief to some in Russia

because the thought of them missing out on the Rio Olympic Games next

year will not be something they want to entertain. They want to be there.

So that decision is looming on Friday. Lord Coe under a degree of

pressure to make a decision along with his fellow board members will

stop with his fellow board members will

ground here, which would see Marussia -- Wilsey Russia band.

Given the scale of the claims made against them, we will have to wait

and see the result of that board meeting on Friday. Thomas Bach

saying clearly that Russia can be brought back into the folder they

are willing to do the hard work and comply. We have had some breaking

news surrounding Lord Coe's predecessor, Lamin Diak. Lamin Diak

had been predecessor, Lamin Diak. Lamin Diak

the IOC's job for him, I think he has been nudged the -- nudged in

that direction. But his time at an end now. That is our sports news

correspondent. Another man who has come in for a bit of stick is Sam

Burgess, who did not have the stomach to fight for his future in

rugby union, that is according to Mike Ford. Burgess arrived in Sydney

yesterday after leaving Bath just one year into a three-year deal to

rejoin the South Sydney Rabbitohs. Burgess has been explaining his

decision to go back to league. Deep down, rugby league gave me a

different, something different to rugby union. It is not a mock of

rugby union at all. In certain respects, what players go through,

what they do, I think rugby league you play with passion and heart. My

heart lies in rugby league. The sooner I got back was probably

best. Just finally, England's first one-day against Pakistan in Abu

Dhabi starting in just under one hour's time. We will keep you

up-to-date. Victoria will be back presenting the programme

tomorrow for stop a week ago she began the next age in her treatment

for breast cancer. She's keeping a video diary for this

programme to shed some light on some Many of you may have already

seen her first film following She's being treated at Ashford

and St Peter's Hospitals NHS It's frank, open and doesn't

gloss over some of the treatment. Today I'm having my first session

of chemotherapy which is part And the chemotherapy drugs are being

given to me as a sort of insurance policy, that is how it has been

described to me, in case there are any microscopic traces of cancer

elsewhere in my body, chemotherapy drugs will kill it,

as well as killing all the good On my head I am wearing a cold cap

which is to cool my scalp, so it Therefore, it reduces the

chemotherapy drugs going to my head, which hopefully should minimise or

reduce hair loss which is one of It may or may not work,

but we'll see. While

the drugs were being pushed into me, What does feel weird is

the cold cap and the temperature And that has given me a headache

and made me feel sleepy. And I just sort

of want to curl up and go to sleep. In the last few days,

in the build-up to this first cycle of chemotherapy,

I have been feeling quite vexed and anxious and apprehensive, because it

is the fear of the unknown. And also really impatient to get

the first one under my belt so I Right now, I have got to wear

the cold cap for another hour, But I just

like I want to go to sleep. I have just got back

from the hospital. I was there for about three hours

in total. The worst bit for me was

definitely wearing the cold cap. When it came off though,

the headache just disappeared and the feelings of nausea just

went away which is brilliant. There was actually ice

on my hair and in the cap. It felt, I think it reminded me

of having a hangover. You have a headache,

you don't want to talk to anybody Except with a hangover you want

to eat lots of carbohydrates and I I am really glad that it is one

down and just five to go. I have spent most of

the afternoon and evening in bed. As the day has worn on, I have felt

increasingly queasy and drained. It's a grey November morning

and it's raining a bit, but I don't mind, because I have spent the last

day and a half in bed feeling lethargic and not miserable, but

just no motivation to do anything. Now, today, I feel, 48 hours after

the first session of chemotherapy, I am desperate for some first air so I

have come to take Gracie for a walk. I don't want to speak too soon

because it is only the first session of chemotherapy I

have had, but I feel OK. I know as chemo goes

on things get a little bit worse. The next thing I have to do today is

inject myself with a drug that will stimulate

the growth of white blood cells I usually, I'm all right with

the thought of a needle going in. Sorry,

you will have to see my belly. Well, the needle has gone in

which is fine. Push the solution in,

push the solution in, all the way. This will boost my immunity

which will protect me from... OK, that was much better

than I was expecting. The other thing I need to tell you,

which is obviously not important, but I am telling you anyway,

is I haven't washed my hair, combed my hair, brushed my hair or done

anything on the advice of nurse Emma who said, the longer you can leave

it, the better it might be It is six days

since I had the first chemotherapy session and the way it has drained

my body has made me feel a bit low. You can feel alert and normal

for a couple of hours and then suddenly a wave of tiredness hits

you and you just have to go to bed. I have to say that has made

me feel a bit disconsolate. Everybody reacts, as I have said

before, everybody reacts differently to treatment and I hope you don't

mind me sharing this with you. There are five more sessions to go

and this time will pass, So many of you getting

in touch already sending best wishes Most of the time I have been

positive and have said out loud it is what it is. Some people have

accused me of being brave. The reality is different, I have been

scared. I have sat and watched all of your videos and I feel better. I

cried because I felt stronger and better. That sounds crazy, but I am

sure you will understand. And if you want to share that diary

you can find it on our programme where you can also find her first

diary following her mastectomy. Victoria will be back presenting

the programme tomorrow and I know she's really grateful for all the

messages you've been sending her. Beach mat breaking news. Carl Andre,

the 74-year-old British grandfather who was killed in Saudi Arabia for

possessing alcohol has arrived back in the UK and is in London. Frank

Gardner is here. He is finally back. What happened in the end? This story

was broken by the Sun newspaper a few weeks ago because the family

were afraid he was going to face a huge amount of lashes, the mandatory

punishment if you are caught with alcohol offences. The Saudi

government pursued the Foreign Office, who in turn assured the

family, that he would not be lashed. He was caught in August last year in

Jeddah with quite a large amount of alcohol, which is illegal in Saudi

Arabia. He was sentenced to one year in jail, which he accepted. The

problem is he was still in jail well after his sentence and it was a

bureaucratic mess up by the Saudis. The family were naturally very

concerned that all it would take would be won over officious prison

governor or a prison guard to say, this man is still in, he is supposed

to be lashed, take him to the courtyard. He is a 3 cancer

survivor, and an asthma sufferer, and there were fears for his health.

survivor, and an asthma sufferer, On Twitter people have not been

sympathetic. People the rules, if you break them, you

take the punishment. But his sentence expired in August and he

was still in prison on the 20th of October, so it was really bad.

Philip Hammond flew to Saudi Arabia, had talks with the king, and hours

later he was released. Do we know what Philip Hammond said? Did the

British Government effectively have to intervene? David Cameron

intervene personally because he had been kept in prison so long. I think

to be fair, without the media storm I am not sure. The Foreign Office

would say they were doing it quietly, but the fact is he were

still in prison well beyond that and I cannot imagine the conditions were

particularly great, especially if you do not speak the language, it is

not your religion or your food. He had been an expat for 25 years in

Saudi Arabia. He knew the risks, and he got caught, but he paid more than

the fair price. More than half of all Muslims in the

UK believe government policies have had a negative impact on their lives

- we'll talk to a man who had to move home after being targeted by

racists and a man involved in the government's counter

extremism strategy. Talk Talk has confirmed this morning

that last month's cyber-attack on its website, will cost the

company an estimated ?30 million. The personal details

of more than 150,000 customers Of those, more than 15,000 had

their bank account numbers But the firm's Chief Executive,

Dido Harding, admitted that it's too early to tell the real impact

on the business. Our business editor is here. ?30

million is a lot of money, how have they arrived at that figure? In a

cyber attack external criminal gangs fire loads of data at a company's

website and a breakthrough their security defences. They get inside

the IT infrastructure of a business. A company has to first of

all repaired that bit of the business. The other big cost for

them was that the cyber attack took down their website. One of the main

ways of selling contracts to the public was not functioning and has

only just started functioning today. I interviewed the chief

executive earlier today and I asked her that despite the controversy,

was the business still performing well.

The early signs are quite encouraging.

Most customers tell us that they think we have done the right thing.

We of course saw an immediate step up or spike in customers cancelling

their direct debits, but actually, after a few days, we saw many

of those customers reinstating their direct debits again.

So time will tell but the early signs are that customers

What measures is the company now taking to protect itself in the

future? Just like in the physical world, cyber crime is a fact of life

and there can be no concrete promises this will not happen again.

They have spent a lot more on strengthening security and warning

their customers about scam calls, people trying to get their account

details. They have also brought in British aerospace to look at their

security. British aerospace does cyber security protection. But I

asked after three data attacks this year whether TalkTalk could really

reassure its customers this would not happen again.

TalkTalk takes our customers' security incredibly seriously.

We have been spending more and more on security over the

last two years, and a lot more over the course of the last three weeks.

The reality is, we have to keep building our

security walls higher and higher, because the cyber criminals are

This is not just about TalkTalk, this is the crime of our era.

We are committed to doing everything in our power to protect our

What impact has this had on the company? Probably not as bad as they

originally thought. When they first announced the attack they said all 4

million of their customers could have been affected, they now say it

is 150,000. Their share price is up 12% this morning. Lots of TalkTalk

customers are tied into contracts of up to two years. Even if you want to

leave, you could only do that by encouraging quite a penalty. They

have hung on to customers in a way that has been more positive than

when they originally announced the attack. ?30 million fine sounds like

a lot of money. This is a company that is likely to make ?300 million

of profit when it announces its full-year results next spring. You

have got to keep that ?30 million in context. It is not that big a price

and TalkTalk is a business and it is still performing. Lots of you

getting in touch with us this morning about Victoria's diary.

Linda on Facebook says, wishing you a speedy recovery.

Victoria is bread, honest, and inspiring. -- braid. I hope the cold

cap works for you. My husband does not have much hair left, so the cap

is not necessary for him. John on Facebook says, thank you for

sharing. Alison has e-mailed to say she has just watched the video diary

and she would like to wish you all the best. Linda said, I am sure it

will help people facing similar treatments in the future. That you

are on behalf of all women, I wish you well and continued good health

for the future. Thank you so much for your comments and Victoria

More than half of all Muslims in the UK believe government policies have

had a negative impact on their lives - we'll talk to a man who had to

move home after being targeted by racists and a man involved in the

government's counter extremism strategy. And we'll get reaction

after a senior Russian athletics official

acknowledged his country does have a problem with doping in sport.

Positive news on unemployment - latest figures show it's fallen

by more than one hundred thousand to its lowest level

There was also a big rise in the number of people working full

time, although average earnings didn't rise as much as expected.

The Foreign Secretary has released a statement confirming

British Grandfather Karl Andree has returned to the UK.

Mr Andree was jailed in Saudi Arabia for 12 months

and was also sentenced to 350 lashes, after he was allegedly

In his statement, Philip Hammond said, "Karl was

released from prison hours after my visit to Riyadh on 28th October.

He has returned home to be reunited with his family".

Two minutes' silence will be observed across the UK at 11 o'clock

to remember the nation's war dead. I remember the lads I left behind in

Normandy. They were very young boys and I still remembered today those

boys I fought with. Remembrance Day, the 11th of the 11th, is very

important to me. One of the heads of Russian

athletics has acknowledged that the country does have

a problem with doping. Mikahil Butov,

the General Secretary of the All-Russia Athletic Federation,

has responded to the report by an independent commission which

accused his country's sportsmen Top top has confirmed this morning

the cyber attack on its website will cost the company ?30 billion.

Customers had their bank account numbers and sort code stolen. Let's

catch up with all the spot. The IAAF president Lord Coe comes

under heavy criticism from the head of UK athletics, Ed Warner, as he

tries to clean up the sport. Sebastian Coe will chair a council

meeting on Friday where Russia's feature will be decided.

Sam Burgess did not have the stomach to fight for his future in rugby

union, according to the Bath head coach Mike Ford. He arrived in

Sydney yesterday after leaving bad just one year after a three-year

deal. He said his heart was not in rugby union. Mark Robinson has been

appointed head coach of the England's women's cricket team. He

is scheduled to start his new role at the end of the year in time for

the tour of South Africa in February.

One of the heads of Russian athletics has acknowledged that

the country does have a problem with doping.

Mikahil Butov, the General Secretary of

the All-Russia Athletic Federation, has responded to the report

by an independent commission which accused his country's sportsmen

The head of the Moscow laboratory has resigned.

And of course we should change the mentality of many coaches,

And we started to do it very, very hard.

We organised some educational programmes.

What is most important, me and the head coach

and the interim president, we met with a lot of coaches,

It is very important to direct every athlete with this explanation,

with our vision of anti-doping intention is in Russia.

British middle distance runner Hannah England says cheating Russian

Here's Hannah winning silver in the 1500 metres at the World

Championships in 2011 and gold in the National Championships in 2010.

She was part of Team GB at London 2012 but failed to qualify

for the 800 metres final, which was won by a Russian athlete

In 2009 Hannah competed in the 1500 at the Indoor Championships

which was won by another Russian athlete who failed a test

We can speak to the British middle distance runner Hannah England who's

You have lost out to Russian athletes as we were reporting

there, just running through some of the key moments in your career. You

have written an article describing what it was like. Talk us through

that. I would like to say I have not been as hard done by competitor some

of the other athletes. Jenny Meadows who has had her whole life and

career affected by this. For me it was more as a developing athlete I

would look at these Russian athletes and then, they are phenomenal, how

can they be that good? I questioned by own ability to perform on a world

stage against girls like that. It is awful to have unrealistic

expectations put on you as an athlete by people who are cheating.

You say that people around you would often say if a Russian athlete won

it must be drugs, but you did not want to take that view. Why not? You

do not want to carry that amount of negativity around with you. As an

athlete there is an issue of coming out publicly and saying you question

the performance without any evidence. That is tricky to do. Also

personally in my day to day life, if you open up your mind to the

questions of doping allegations and query that all the time, it is

exhausting. For me that would be letting them win before you stood on

the start line if I am exhausting myself thinking about that. I tried

to put it to the back of my mind and concentrate on myself. Now this

report has come out clearly detailing in so much depth what has

gone on, how do you feel? Furious. It is massively disappointing. It is

not a massive surprise, the extent, how high it has gone with the

authorities in Russia. It is alarming and disappointing when

there are so many of us who train hard in Britain and train clean and

to see the depth of the regime in Russia and what has been going on it

is upsetting. You were an athlete who question your ability, how did

you feel? Really angry. I push myself every day. I have been out

already this morning and I am striving to get the best out of my

body. The idea that you are competing against someone who is

cheating that system and is not being honest. I feel incredibly

lucky that I am in a country that believes what they are doing and I

can ignore what other athletes are doing. Do you think Russian athlete

should be banned from the Olympics next year? Yes, I do. That is for

politicians to decide, not the athletes. But when there is this

ingrained problem and it has been shown to be so high up in the

system, we do not have a choice. Unless they can show that they are

really clean, but I do not think that is possible in the next nine

months. What about the public and their overall trust in athletics? I

think it is a shame people are seeing this as a story and not the

hard work that is going on with the clean, British athletes we have got.

It is incredibly important it gets sorted out. I hope fans can hold on

there and see that we are going to keep the sport up. If you have ever

been inspired by a British athlete, keep looking at that and keep being

inspired by what your country does and keep enjoying athletics. Are you

confident it can be cleaned up? What needs to be done? To be honest I do

not know. Should there be lifetime bans? Absolutely, I have always

thought that. I also have thought each level should be dealt with on a

different level. Some people take things by mistake and others take

things systematically like the rest of athletes, it should be done on a

case by case basis. Sebastian Coe, what do you think about the way he

is handling it? He has got an incredibly hard job at the moment.

It is hard to have faith in the IAAF right now. It is hard to comment on

it as well because of legal investigations that are ongoing.

Lord Coe has got an incredibly hard job and I hope that he does it well.

What about other measures, perhaps for the Olympics next year? Should

there be mandatory blood testing? 100%. Why would you not blood test

everybody? It should be a given regardless. Hannah England, thank

More than half of all Muslims in the UK believe government policies have

had a negative impact on their lives - that's according to a new report

A study by the Islamic Human Rights Commission found many

Muslims feel they have been treated with suspicion and mistrust.

The report's authors say the government's security

and anti-extremism measures, among other policies,

have fuelled discrimination against Muslims in Britain.

BBC Asian Network's Divya Talwar has this investigation.

Iman is 19 and has recently converted to Islam.

She hasn't told her family yet, so we are keeping her anonymous.

Her college suspected she may have been radicalised and she was flagged

up to officers and the government's counter extremism agenda, Prevent.

Was there any change in your behaviour that may have

Nothing that I think would trigger anything at all.

But yeah, I guess, that was the reason I started

wearing a hijab and that was enough for them to contact Prevent.

Under new anti-terrorism laws teachers now have a duty

to report students they suspect are at risk of radicalisation.

Iman believes the government is alienating Muslim students.

Normal misguided teenagers, like a lot of us are, when they get angry

and frustrated with things, they will turn to people for support, and

if the only support they have are those who are extremists,

then they are pushing them into the hands of what they are trying

The Islamic Human Rights Commission has been looking

into discrimination against Muslims in Britain for nearly two decades.

A survey they carried out of more than 1700 Muslims living

in the UK found more than half believed government policies

like those countering extremism had a negative impact on them.

The impact on government policies, in particular those related to

security but not solely, have really had an impact

And I don't think just silencing them from the point of view

Even to do things like report anti-Muslim hatred.

Almost 60% of Muslims questioned believed they

With new duties even on nurseries to look out

for signs of radicalisation, some parents fear children need

So I am scared of things we can talk about.

Recently, we were involved in a Syrian fundraiser.

She said, Mummy one day we will go to Syria and we will see my toys,

"We will see the girl who has my toys."

In a statement, the Home Office said the government is committed to

tackling anti-Muslim hatred and the Prevent agenda is about

protecting those who might be vulnerable to radicalisation.

But the worry in some Muslim communities is new measures to

combat extremism will only alienate and demonise them.

That was presented by Divya Talwar in collaboration with

If you want to watch - or share - the full film you can find it on our

So let's talk now to Murad Alam, a Muslim father of two,

his family had to move home after being targeted by racists.

In Leeds, Adam Walker from the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association

who helped the government form its counter extremism strategy.

And Azad Ali, from the organisation MEND, that stands for

Thank you all for joining us. Murad first of all, your family had to

move house after being targeted by racists. What happened? We had a

knock on the door one night, somebody had left a wooden cross

with ham and pork tied to it. I thought it was quite disgusting at

the time. My wife and children were racially abused in the street.

Someone cut the broadband line, the telephone line, which I thought was

very sinister. Racial graffiti sprayed outside the house. My child

was punched in Bing town centre. Quite a few racist incidents. What

do you think trigger that? Just fear, really. There were not any

Muslim families in the area, they don't know any Muslims, my wife was

visibly a Muslim, she wore a standard headscarf, not to cover her

face anything, people are just scared of what they don't know. Did

it start to happen after you move to a new neighbourhood? We moved to the

neighbourhood of Bingham just outside Nottingham after living

elsewhere. The report says that the government's

I do believe that is the case. They are trying to bring in Draconian

laws recently to look at internet history. People here that and they

think we don't want this. Then they look for someone to blame. To show

we blame it on, the terrorists, who are the terrorists? The Muslims. It

is a train of thought I'm getting from a lot of people at the moment.

Ad, you are from the foundation who had input into the government's

counter extremism policy. Do you think that policy may have helped to

fuel the scrum and nation? I think the policy is far more nuanced than

that. The Muslim community has supported some of the core

principles. For examples and new Islamophobia laws coming into place

that looks to tackle irrational fear of Muslims and criminalise

aggression, verbal and threatening behaviour, towards Muslims is

something that could help people that face this sort of

discrimination. So I'm not sure if it has, or certainly the new changes

that are coming into place, particularly looking with dealing

both with Muslim extremists who are a minority and also the minority of

right wing extremists as well. That should certainly help with people in

school, people generally, but a case of watch this space and see how it

is permitted. When there is a policy of telling people to report any

concerns that they have, if they see a change of behaviour or anything

that might give rise to concerns, and then you hear from an -- then

here from Iman in our film who was reported after she started wearing a

Jaye -- a jihab. There is a lot more that needs to be added to the

current laws. People should not be wrong leader scrimmage against. The

principle should be let the government just how it applies laws.

I would certainly agree with that. Azad, does the government have a

fine line to tread, to be mindful of the sensitivities around that? Yes,

I think the government's approach at the moment is very confused and is

confusing the public. What you report showed is that it is having a

disproportionate and made a perfect on the Muslim community. If you look

at Prevent, and some of the definition of it, democracy is a key

value. The government is saying democracy it is an important value

and then it invites someone who led a coup in Egypt to number ten. So

all of these confusing messages are problematic. I think the government

isn't also clear on what it is trying to deal with. Is it trying to

deal with a crime. Or is it trying to define and change people's

behaviour. That is what a lot of people are concerned about. It is

really important for all of us in society to understand what is being

impacted is all of our liberties. If I can be given one minute to give

you an example, we have recently had a case where a child was reported to

children's services because he said my father went to Saudi Arabia and

it wasn't a my father went to Saudi Arabia and

apparently went on a demonstration. His mother explained that,

apparently went on a demonstration. brother -- my husband did go to

Saudi Arabia, it was a pilgrimage, brother -- my husband did go to

but my son only went to a football match. But that son was reported to

a Prevent programme. Children's services were called up, and the

parents were told your child will be on our register. How does that make

a family feel, how does that make a mother and a father feel? How are

they going to feel, I am sending my son to school, my daughter to

school, if they talk about Islam, are they going to get reported? I

want to get Adam's thoughts on that specific case. That specific case I

want to get Adam's thoughts on that would say it is completely wrong and

there are clearly ethical problems with how far a nurse or a public

servant can be expected to do the job of the police and those spaces

that need to be more defined. I think it is problematic when we look

at this kind of government strategy as though it is a single strategy

and just one entity. It comprises of many different elements. For

example, I don't want my child to be exposed in a teaching environment to

someone who used to be an extremist. No one would disagree with that. I

want my children to be safe from right-wing extremists and also

teachers with right wing leanings. We have seen more and more cases of

this in schools increasingly everyday. These are elements of the

law that are productive. Looking at the online propaganda extremists use

is something very worthwhile. I do agree there needs to be much more

definition. We can't complete issues. When you talk about heads of

states, there are heads of states that come from every single week

there are protests regarding every different heads of states that

come, many completely unrelated to Islam Feruz. Are you saying it is OK

to invite someone that led a coup, that remove the only democratic

government in Egypt, is it OK? Then what is the conclusion here? Adam,

whilst I totally agree with you... When we look at these sorts of

issues, when we look at what example internet laws that come into play,

these are things that will impact everybody, these are issues that all

Brits have, not just Muslims. Gentlemen, I am really sorry, we are

right out of time. At thank you all very much. We

We asked to talk to someone from the Home Office ahead of this interview

The Home Office did, however, send us this statement:

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