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Veterans talk about the importance of Armistice Day, Victoria Derbyshire talks about her latest bout of cancer treatment, and a Muslim woman talks about the abuse she faces.

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Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 9.15, I'm Joanna Gosling in for


Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.


as the nation remembers the British military deaths since World War I,


we'll speak to four men who served in some of the biggest


I Frank Rosier and was in with you in the next few minutes.


I Frank Rosier and was in Gloucestershire Regiment. I am


Doctor David Jackson and I served in the Falklands and Northern Ireland.


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serving officer in the Royal offered sure -- Oxfordshire engineers.


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insurance policy, that is how it is described to me, in case there are


any microscopic traces of cancer elsewhere in my body. The


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Over 1.2 million British military have been killed in conflicts


since World War 1 and today a two-minute silence will


be observed to commemorate those who died in the two world wars


It starts at the eleventh hour of the eleventh day


of the eleventh month, the time in 1918 when the guns fell silent along


the Western Front, and an armistice, or a truce, was declared.


It has been known as Armistice Day ever since.


Our correspondents will be across the UK


at 11 bringing you that two-minute silence this morning, but first,


we've brought together veterans from a number of different conflicts


Britain's been involved in over the years to share their experiences.


Joining us here in the studio are Frank Rosier, who served in the


Second World War and took part in the DDay landings, Dr David Jackson,


who served with the marines in the Falklands and in Northern Ireland,


Mike Lobb, who served in the Gulf War in 1990


and Major Sartaj Singh Gogna, who's still in the army and has done


Thanks for joining us today - still to come. We'll bring you Victoria's


You all have different experiences of different conflicts, but first to


tell me what Armistice Day means for you. Possibly because I and the


eldest here, my generation is the last link to the First World War


veterans because it was our parents and uncles who fought that war. I


have very fond memories of my two uncles and my dad who got wounded in


the war. I remember them quite a lot and I also remember the lads I left


behind in Normandy. They were very young boys and I will never forget


those boys. So, Remembrance Day, the 11th of the 11th, is very important


for me. I think for me it is about remembering. For me it is about loss


and I had two great uncles who served in the First World War, so


again it is also about reflecting on their loss, which is a connection to


my family as well. For me it is about thinking about losing my best


friends. I come from a long line of military people. My grandfather


served in the Second World War and my father served after that and they


are both no longer with us. It is a chance for me to remember them and


other friends. We have all lost people that we served with, but for


me it is also about looking forward. We lost people so that we could move


on and other people could move on and that is the way I like to think


of it. For me remembrance is as much as it is a time to think about those


who we have lost, it is also time to think about what they have left


behind and the families who remain. One individual going down impact


upon the team, not just that individual. The team extends to


their families and the way we look after them. During my service,


having lost soldiers, it is remembering their families and how


we can support them as well. The great sacrifice those individuals


have given. You have all spoken of how loss has touched you and you


have all been involved in conflicts. Frank, you spoke of the young age of


many of those who served in the Second World War alongside you. You


were only 17 when you signed up. What I was never told was that by


1942 we were running out of men, so they lowered the recruiting age to


17. That is when everybody of that age volunteered. I would go as far


to say more than half the armed forces those days were volunteers.


Consequently we volunteered at 17 and after training, by the time we


got to D-Day, the eldest amongst us would be in their early 20s. To


think that really we got through it because of the comradeship of the


fellows I was with. We helped one another. The British Army has a


wonderful weapon called humour, and the ability to laugh at situations.


It gets you out of trouble time and time again. But leaving those young


boys, there are 14 in a French cemetery, and I go over there and I


still cry. The youngest was 19 and the eldest was 24. That was 14th in


my platoon. Others were killed elsewhere. I came home wounded. Very


few of us got through the war unhurt. Many were wounded and went


back again. There is a lot to think about these days. I spent four years


in hospital in a plastic surgery unit and I think of those lads who I


was with, the same age but who lost their legs and who were badly


burned. How did they get on in life? What happened to them? There is an


awful lot to remember and an awful lot to be sad about. The thing about


experiencing war is if you have four of us sitting in a room we do not


need to talk about war, I know it is a cliched the band of Brothers, but


we have a common understanding that does not need words. What is


important is what you do afterwards and how you lead your life. And in


some ways to me it is about living life with passion and moving on.


Does it matter if others understand what you have been through? Today it


is about the nation remembering. Does it matter? It is important


society has a better understanding of the culture and some of the


difficulties war veterans and families have in society. I run a


group that encourages a better dialogue between the civilian world


and the ex-Armed Forces world. That is really important. Frank was in


the Army at a time when a lot of people had families who understood


what is going on. Perhaps the service we had, the Falklands,


Northern Ireland, that blended into normal life for a lot of people. But


one thing that strikes me now is because the armed services have been


involved in conflict pretty much for the last 12 or 15 years, it is very


definitely at the front of people's minds. Everybody knows somebody who


has been injured or killed. Mother, father, sons and daughters. They are


all really close to it. There is a lot of things that have happened


from a veteran's perspective like Help For Heroes. It puts it to the


front or people's minds now. It is always important that everybody


outside the military understands what we go through. If nothing else


to prevent future conflicts. Conflict is not a nice place to be.


Without that broad understanding of the horrors of war and that memory


of the sacrifices that individuals have had to make an families have


had to make and regiments that were decimated, particularly during the


First World War and the second, you could hope to prevent conflict in


future. You have to sit down and take a moment to remember exactly


what that conflict has meant to us. You say conflict is not a nice place


to be. Either You say conflict is not a nice place


saw always there for you? take five seconds. It was always us


and weak on the front line. Most of War, rather than the First World


War, was 20 yards apart targets. Tanks and planes, ships, targets,


infantry, targets. On this occasion I came face-to-face with this young


German boy and to this day why did we not say good morning? We didn't,


we both took out our weapons and I won. I sat down on the ground and I


cried and it is not nice and it is not easy to kill another human


being. That sticks in my mind. This young, German boy, a mother's son. I


lost a 2 brothers. My mother with thousands of other women, I am not


being patronising, went to hell and back. They never get a mention, the


wives in the First World War, the mothers who went through hell and


back quite often. That I feel sorry about. You are still having to leave


your family behind. How do they get through that? It is strength, my


wife supports me day in, day out in my career. When we found in 2012I


was about to go to Afghanistan, the week before we found out we were


expecting. I knew what the implication of that was. I was going


to miss the birth of my daughter, but I was fortunate I married a


woman who is so strong that she held the fort whilst I went off and did


what I had to do. I was lucky that I had the support of my commander to


get back in time for the birth. Testament to the character of my


wife who then carried on on her own for three months whilst I went back


to service and finish of the rest of the tour. Our families are one of


our greatest bonuses and without them that we would not be where we


are today. I will always be eternally thankful for my wife or


all the support she has shown. It is a way of life some people might


think why choose that? Why do something else that might be


easier? I wanted a life less ordinary. I started going to


university and reading pharmacy and very quickly I realised for me that


was not going to cut the mustard. I wanted something that inspired me


and motivated me to be a better person. Having seen the likes of


Mike go through the Gulf campaign that is what inspired me to pick up


the gauntlet and go forth and sign up. In the last 15 years I have had


a cracking career around the world and I have had a lot of experience


and have made a lot of friends. I have lost some, but it is their


memory that we hold today. I would never have changed that decision.


What about the element of service and the pride that comes with that?


I was an ugly kid, so I thought U might help me out. But I also played


a lot of sport and being part of a on the rugby pitch is hugely


important to me. 15 people working together to beat 15 people. Joining


the military is the same thing. I was saying earlier on I joined the


Royal engineers and I love the royal engineers and all the squadron and


the guys I have served with. It was not until I went to conflict that I


looked further than that and saw how well the infantry operate, how well


the artillery and the cavalry operates and you get a real sense


that you are part of a much bigger team. That is hugely important. Is


it important to all of you that people wear poppies today? That


people observe the silence? Yes, because people do and people are


kind in buying those poppies. As a better and I have sold poppies in


the past. Even though I am wearing a poppy, they put their money in the


ten because I am a veteran. I am a member of the British Legion. What


they do with that money is pretty good. Building homes for wounded


soldiers and Help The Heroes. There is quite a lot going for us. They


are better than the government. The support seems to be lacking. We get


help from the Legion, from Help For Heroes and people in the street as


soon as they know you are a veteran. What support would you like


from the government? I should not say this, but I know somebody who


was in Iraq and he lost his legs and he was told he was fit for work and


they stopped his benefit. That is not right. That lad deserves better


than a benefit, he deserves a lot more than that. We got a war pension


which I draw today and it is pretty good. It was given to us by the


governments in the 40s. I do not know what they get today. My


response to do the government do enough? What I found, and I mean in


the collective we, what would you like from society? Nobody has sat us


down and asked us what we want from society. There are a lot of


assumptions about what we need. There are lots of charities out


there who are fantastic, small charities, certainly down in Devon


and Cornwall, but the fragmentation of it means there are charities


everywhere and they do not seem to get together collectively. It is


people replicating the same work. If I was to have a minister here I


would say you need to bring this all under one umbrella and work together


and work collectively as a team, which is what we were like in a


team. As the Second World War defined you and your life? I have


had a smashing life. I have enjoyed myself. Good Lord gave me the


ability to play football and he gave me a brain and my best job was as


postman and one day he will kick me upstairs. I had a lovely wife and a


lovely son. Unfortunately I have outlived them both. The war has not


affected me a bit. I know I lost my eye, but I say I never lost it. I


was young enough. Thank you very much for coming


in as the nation prepares to remember.


Still to come, we'll bring you Victoria's latest


video diary, following her first chemotherapy session.


And unemployment fell down to 1.75 million. We will bring you reaction.


The latest unemployment figures are out and they show unemployment fell


As we've just mentioned, a two-minute silence will be


observed across the UK at 11 o'clock to remember the nation's war dead.


Over 1.2 million British military personnel have been killed


Victoria Derbyshire has shared the experience of her first chemotherapy


session, as she continues her battle against breast cancer.


In the video diary, she explains the process of undergoing treatment.


She explains the process of undergoing treatment. On my head I


am wearing a cold cap which is to cool my scalp so it reduces the


blood flow to my scalp, therefore it reduces the chemotherapy drugs going


to my head, which should minimise or reduce hair loss, which is one of


One of the heads of Russian athletics has acknowledged that


the country does have a problem with doping.


Mikhail Butov, the General Secretary of


the All-Russia Athletic Federation, has responded to the report


by an independent commission, which accused his country's sportsmen


TalkTalk has confirmed this morning that the cyber-attack


on its website will cost the company an estimated ?30 million.


The personal details of more than 150,000 customers were


Of those, more than 15,000 had their bank account numbers


Let's catch up with the sport. We will have more on the Russian doping


scandal in athletics were today the IAAF president Sebastian Coe has


said he will clear up the sport. Not everyone is convinced he is the man


to clear up the situation. We will get the latest from our


correspondent Richard Conway. Sam Burgess explained his decision to go


back to rugby league. He did not have the stomach for the fight in


rugby union, according to his coach Mike Ford. We will hear from Sam


Burgess himself. After England's test series defeat against Pakistan


they have a chance to put that behind them with the first one-day


international which gets under way at 11am in Abu Dhabi.


The latest employment figures are just out.


Our business correspondent Ben Thompson is here.


Talk us through the figures. Headline rate fell to 5.3%. That is


down again on the period before. It is interesting because we have been


seeing this trend downwards of the number of people out of work and the


numbers claiming jobseeker's allowance. 31.2 million people in


work, that is up by 177,000. Also a big rise in the number of people


working full-time. We have talked about the unemployment number coming


down, but that has been hiding the fact people are working part-time


and fewer hours, and they have not been able to add as much as they did


before. We have had news on average earnings. That gives us an


indication of whether we are feeling better off. We are told they are


rising by 2.5%. That is below what we were expecting. We were looking


for a figure of 3.2 or 3.3%. Average earnings now rising by 2.5%. But the


important thing is inflation, the rise in costs of goods and services


and last month that went negative. The gap between what we are spending


and earning is getting bigger. In theory it means we should be better


off in our pockets. It sounds like a pretty good picture overall. Just


one thought. The chief executive of Tesco, Dave Lewis, has been speaking


about the national living wage and predicting that could lead to job


losses. Those comments were interesting earlier and he was


talking about the perfect storm and he was talking about the business


rates and the national living wage which starts in April next year. He


said taken together that could cost business about ?14 billion. What is


interesting is they are saying we will have to be careful about


whether we take on more staff because we will have to pay them


more. There is a real focus on people paying the wage because the


government is not going to subsidise people through tax credits. But it


is interesting. I have had a statement from the Chancellor saying


the unemployment figures are good and he said the employment rate has


never been higher and we are working towards full employment, but he


points out there are 7500 job vacancies in the UK. There are still


jobs available, but the issue is making sure we have the right people


with the right skills for the right jobs. Employers often tell me they


have vacancies, but they cannot find the right people. Training is not in


the right areas to get people into work. Many people are retraining.


Traditional industries are dying, and the steel industry laying off


workers. The trick will be getting those people retrain and into jobs


that are available into different jobs. Can retrain those people for


the jobs that are available? That will be the big challenge to fill


these vacancies. We will be speaking to Priti Patel, the Employment


Minister a bit later. We will also bring new pictorial's latest video


diary after her breast cancer diagnosis and her first chemotherapy


More than half of all Muslims in the UK believe government


policies have had a negative impact on their lives.


That's according to a new report exclusively shown to this programme.


A study by the Islamic Human Rights Commission found many


people feel they've been treated with suspicion and mistrust.


The report's authors say the government's security


and anti-extremism measures, among other policies,


have fuelled discrimination against Muslims in Britain.


In the next hour, we'll get reaction, but first,


Divya Talwar from the BBC's Asian Network has this investigation.


Our finding suggests homophobia in the UK is at unprecedented levels.


You are an F word, a bomber, a terrorist.


My biggest fear is to be killed in the street. Muslims are viewed with


suspicion and mistrust, we are blamed for everything. I do not know


what life is like without Islam phobia or racism. We will be the


scapegoats for a very long time. The government has promised to do


more to tackle Islam phobia, but with controversial laws introduced


this year, will it make the problem worse? A new report claims


government policies like those countering extremism are one of the


reasons many Muslims feel like they are coming under suspicion, I'm


facing discrimination and even abuse. The report says incidents


like this are happening around the country. This video has gone viral.


It shows a lady shouting racist abuse at two Muslim women travelling


on a bus in London. At one point she threatens to kick one of the women


who is pregnant in the stomach. Anti-Muslim abuse like this, whether


it is verbal abuse, physical assaults or even arson attacks on


mosques are thought to be on the rise. New research suggests two out


of every five Muslims has faced some kind of abuse in the UK. Every


morning before going to work, this lady recites a prayer. She says it


is for her protection, to keep her safe when she leaves her house. She


is 29 and was born in Saudi Arabia and moved to Cardiff as a child. She


started wearing a face veil when she was 14. She said it made her a


target for abuse, but recently it has become so frequent she is scared


to leave her home. Isil has been constantly connected to Muslims in


the media and a lot of the public cannot differentiate between Muslims


and Isil. The kind of abuse I get has increased recently. And I get it


everywhere I go. Tell me about what you have experienced. The abuse can


be verbal and sometimes physical. People pass by and try to take off


my bail. These abusers can use the F word, you are a bomber or a


terrorist. Do not cut off my head. She used to report the abuse to the


pleas, but she says nothing ever happens, so she rarely does.


Recently there have been physical attacks where people try to rip her


bail. She says she is constantly looking over her shoulder worried


she will be abused. She has even started taking a different route to


work every morning because she thinks it is safer. What is it like


living in constant fear of being attacked? It makes me feel scared.


It is unfortunate and a shame that you see people saying that they


don't even recognise Islamophobia as a term, let alone the consequences.


Islamophobia has become part of our daily life, and it is real. It is


affecting me on a daily basis. According to a new report by the


Islamist human rights commission, two out of five people questioned


said they had faced verbal or physical abuse. More than 40% said


they had faced discrimination at work or in education, while more


than half of those surveys believed they had been viewed with suspicion


and mistrust. Many Muslims I have spoken to feel they are increasingly


being profiled and criminalised because of laws to tackle extremism.


Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. Iman is white and listen. She


has not told her family, she doesn't think they will approve so we are


keeping her anonymous. Her college suspected she may have been


radicalised and she was reported to officers under the government's


counter extremist agenda, Tapp prevent. Was there any change in


your behaviour that might have aroused any concern? Nothing I


thought would trigger anything at all. I guess that was the reason I


started wearing a hijab, and that was enough for them to contact my


family. The fact that they would think I would be some kind of


terrorist is quite upsetting. What do you think they thought? Maybe I


was in Isis or running away to Syria to get married, I don't know. I


guess Muslim stereotypes were pushed on me. That does show the lack of


understanding towards Islam. I don't think they are doing that for people


who become Christian, I don't think they are doing that with Hindus and


Sikhs and Jews and atheists even. New anti-terrorist mean teachers are


under a duty to report those they suspect at risk of under


radicalisation. The government says it is just alienating Muslim


students. Normal misguided teenagers, a lot of them will get


angry and frustrated and turned people support. If the only support


is people who are extremists, they are pushing them into the hands of


what they are trying to avoid happening. Iman have the meeting


with counter extremism officers last month, she says she was interrogated


about her views and beliefs. When the Prevent officers were happy that


Iman was not a threat, she then said they tried to recruit her to work


for them. Which I thought was quite unusual to ask, after I had been


accused, and then suddenly it is you are OK now, we know you are not a


terrorist but can you come and work for us? It went from one extreme to


the other really. I just can't be a normal Muslim girl who was trying to


get an education and work and do normal things. I have either got to


help within radicalisation or iambic humming radicalised, there is no


middle ground. -- or iamb becoming radicalised. The Home Office say


they cannot comment on individual cases, but it is about protecting


people who might be bombed the ball to the poisoning influence of


radicalisation. The Islamic immigrants commission of -- the


Islamic human rights commission has been looking into this for nearly


two decades. In 2010, a smaller study they carried out suggested a


third of Muslims felt government policies like those countering


extremism had had a negative impact on them. For years on, the authors


behind their latest study say that figure has nearly doubled -- four


years on. We have an environment where Muslims feel suspected and


life is increasingly difficult. The impact of government policies,


particularly those related with security, though not solely, have


really had an impact on silencing Muslims to be honest. Not just from


the point of view of talking about political things, but even to do


things like report anti-Muslim hatred. The government is trying to


tackle Islamophobia. Anti-missal and hate crimes will now be seen as


specific events. All of these things are welcome always. What we need is


a culture change, not little bits of law here and there. It is not to say


everyone in the media, every politician, every person in law


enforcement is some kind of vile anti-Muslim racist, it is not. But


unfortunately we have institutional problems that need to be addressed.


Hussein is 26, a British Muslim of anger dishy origin -- Bangladeshi


origin. Iman used a worthy face veil, but it came to the point when


she had had enough and decided to remove it. That was really


difficult. Do you think you will ever return to it? I do think so, it


is really difficult to wear it here and the abuse I faced when I was


wearing it, I would not want to go back to that. It was scary.


Thahira's home city of Cardiff has come under the spotlight after a


number of young people travelled to Syria to support so-called Islamic


State militants. The small Muslim community here feel they are all


coming and it suspicion, and with new laws meaning that nurseries need


to look out for signs of radicalisation, parents fear that


even their children need to be kept about what they say and how they


react. I know that Muslim kids are being monitored very strictly at


school, even as young at the age of three, and if any signs of extremism


they might show, it is going to be picked up. So I am scared of the


things that come out of her mouth! Like recently, we in a Syria


fundraiser. She donated some of her toys and helped with the wrapping of


the gifts. She keeps talking about that, and she says, money, we will


go to Syria, and we will see my toys, she misses the dolls. We will


go and see the girl who's looking after her. And I said don't say


that, money, we will go to Syria, you don't want anyone to hear.


People will get the wrong impression. What impression do you


think people would get? They would probably think that I, you know, the


worst-case scenario. Joining Isis, I guess.


Most of the people I have spoken to for this film were reluctant to talk


to me at first. They just don't trust journalists. Many feel the


media has an agenda against Muslims, and only negative stories


about Islam get reported. Saha is on a mission to get experience. With


Muslim suspects, guilty until proven innocent, yes, I see it getting


worse unfortunately. But I still am hopeful. I am hopeful of people, the


public, to not be socially conditioned. We are not demons, as


the media perceive us. Not Isis criminals. We are human beings like


you. That was an exclusive That was an exclusive film by


Divya Talwar and Athar Ahmad in collaboration with the


BBC's Asian Network. We asked the Home Office for


their reaction, and they told us: If you want to watch or share that


film, you can find it on our and in the next hour, we'll talk to


one man who says he's been forced to move home as a result


of Islamophobic attacks. Lawrence has texted to say we must


never forget our war dead, heroes every one of them. Thousands come


from my part of the UK, Northern Ireland proudly fought and died for


the cause. I thank them all, may they rest in peace was the Bruce has


tweeted to say watching those veterans, and the major looking


resplendent makes one so proud. A tweet from Jerome, I wear a poppy, I


remember all families of the war dead. Doesn't matter what side they


were on, they left families. Another tweet, absolutely Loving Frank, the


World War II veteran, saying it as it is about benefits. Take note,


David Cameron. Another text, there are no words in language to commend


highly enough the actions of these brave men. Lest we forget.


Jean-Pierre has said this is the least we can do to remember the


bravery of the people who fought for our freedom. Thank you for your


comments, keep getting in touch about Armistice and everything else


we are talking about here on the programme today. Some breaking news


to bring you about the Russian doping scandal. Russia's athletics


Federation say they were given 72 hours from the publication of the


report on doping to respond to the claims in writing. A spokeswoman


says they are currently working on the response and will send it to the


IAAF by Thursday evening. Let's catch up with the weather. Carol is


here with us. There is a storm on the way, Carol.


The first named storm of the season. Abigail is what it will be called. A


big gale. It will not affect everything. It will be largely


north-west Scotland and northern Scotland but it could clip the north


coast of Northern Ireland as well. Looking at gusts of wind from the


storm at about 70 or 80 mph, locally across parts of Scotland it could


even be 90 mph. The Met office have literally just issued an amber


weather warning, which means be prepared for this storm for the


outer Hebrides, the far north of Greenland, Scotland -- mainland


Scotland, and a big one, not affecting everyone though. The rest


of us will be windy but nowhere near as windy as that. It is quite


interesting how they have named the storms forced by Javi little list to


show you. It is very similar to the way the Americans do it. In


alphabetical order, girl, boy, girl, boy, if there is a particularly bad


storm, that name like the American hurricane system will never be


replaced again. The reason they have named the storms is so that you can


focus on them. We will be aware of them, able to track them and it is


only substantial storms that will be named, because we have lots of the


periods of low pressure that will be named, but ones that are likely to


have some impact on the UK or indeed on Ireland, as is the case in this


instance. It will be largely north-west in Scotland. How quickly


we likely to get through the list? That is the multi-million dollar


system, if I knew the answer to that I would be doing the lottery right


now. Hopefully not this many. You will notice some of the names have


not been put in. The same with the Americans, they don't put in certain


letters. Quentin. Ursula. Why could be something else. Jasmine. Z the


Zoe. The list will be replaced. I hope we don't see as many storms as


this. Today it is not stormy weather we are looking at. Today what we


have is much quieter weather. It will be mild once again. It will


also be breezy and there will be some rain around as well. For some


of us, we will also have some sunny spells. In the sunshine temper just


get up to about 17 or indeed 18 Celsius. If we look at the rain, we


have the rain across northern England's slipping down across parts


of Wales as we go through the course of the day. Still some heavy bursts


in it. There will be some sunshine but also some showers. The head of


that band of rain a lot of clout, some drizzle and one or two showers


as well. Temperatures, this is what you can expect, 11 to 15 or 16


Celsius. As we had on through the course of the afternoon we can see


in more detail across south-west England a lot of cloud. The rain not


too far away from the north coast of Devon and also Cornwall. Southern


counties generally, a lot of cloud too with the odd shower here and


there, a wee bit of drizzle. In the used some sunshine, parts of


Lincolnshire and Norfolk we could have 17 or 18 as the high. Then the


rain across Northern Ireland behind it brightening up, a bright


afternoon across most of Scotland and some sunshine, but there will be


showers in the north and west. Across Northern Ireland and


south-west Scotland, we are starting to see some squally showers, very


gusty winds around. Moving quite quickly through. For Wales, a cloudy


and wet afternoon but still tempters not bad for the stage in November.


If we pick up these squally showers moving across Northern Ireland and


Scotland, it will move through quite quickly. Gusts of wind 55 mph. It


could lead to some tricky travelling conditions for the rush-hour. If you


are doing anything to celebrate Diwali, bear that in mind. Behind it


will be nippy. But it is Thursday we see the arrival of Abigail on our


shores. Heading northwards. You can see from the squeezing isobars it


will be windy, particularly on a southern flank. Putting some


pictures on that as we go through the course of Thursday, Thursday


starts off not a bad note for many of us, some sunshine, the breeze


picking up the wind starts to pick up through the day. As the rain


arrives. Across Northern Ireland. The large areas in the West, gusts


of up to 55 mph. This charge stops at 3pm. It is into the evening and


overnight that we have our amber weather warning. The storm really


packs a punch. We are talking again just to remind you northern and


north-western parts of Scotland. The gusts you can see here are gusts. 70


to 80 mph. Locally we could even hit 90 mph so there will be some impact,


possibly power cuts, travel disruption as well. It will pass


through quite quickly though. The other thing it will do is introduce


colder air for a time. There will be some snow on Scottish hills and


mountains during the course of the latter part of Thursday and Friday.


Friday itself will be colder than it has been for a couple of weeks, but


that will be transient. This milder air indicated by the orange colour


will sweep across the UK for the weekend. Once again, we will be


looking at wet and windy conditions. Not as windy as Abigail will bring


us. Finally, as we have a look at Friday, quite a lot of dry weather


around. There will be some sunshine as well, some scattered showers too.


Temperatures going right down to seven, eight or nine. As I


mentioned, the mild conditions, still wet and windy, return to the


weekend. the nation


will pause for a two-minute silence to remember British military deaths


since World War one. This morning veterans have told us


why armistice day is so important. Conflict is not a nice place to be.


Without that broader understanding of the horrors of war, and that


memory of the sacrifices that individuals have had to make,


families have had to make, that the regiments that were decimated,


particularly during the First World War and second, you couldn't hope to


prevent conflict in future. In


a moment we'll bring you Victoria's latest video diary following her


first chemotherapy session. You can feel alert and normal for a


couple of hours, and then suddenly this wave of tiredness hits you and


you just have to go to bed. And that, I have to say, that has made


me feel a bit disconsolate. Everybody reacts, as I have said


before, everybody is different, everybody reacts differently to


treatment and I hope you don't mind me sharing this with you.


And if you want so share our film you can find it now on our


Also coming up in the programme, we'll get reaction after


a senior Russian athletics official acknowledged his country does have


We know our problem is doping. And of course we should change the


mentality of many coaches, especially coaches in the regions.


We are going to get some reaction right now to those unemployment


figures just out, which show unemployment fell by 103,000 between


July and September to 1.75 million. Priti Patel, the employment


minister, is in our Westminster studio. Thank you for joining us. It


looks like a good overall picture. What is your reaction? Now seeing


record levels of implement What is your reaction? Now seeing


the country with the implement rate at 73.7%. That is demonstrating


security and implement opportunities across the economy, very much


through the work of what the government has been doing to secure


our economic future and support government has been doing to secure


businesses as well when it comes to implement growth and job creation.


The chief executive of Tesco has been speaking about job creation.


The chief executive of Tesco has is concerned about the new national


minimum wage and the impact it might have, that it might lead to jobs


being lost. Do you agree with him? We know that the Office for Budget


Responsibility also stated that we will see over a million jobs being


created as well. I think it is right we have a national living wage so


that we can see wages are higher, and at the same time we stopped the


subsidising of low wages through welfare. This government was elected


with a very clear manifesto pledge and a commitment to reduce the


welfare budget, to secure our economy and deal with the problem of


low wages which is what we will be doing with the new introduction of


the national living wage. Sunday trading would have helped to boost


the economy and employment. It has been knocked back by the SNP 's.


Should the government have fought harder? When it comes to implement


opportunities it is the job of the government could the right


conditions for economic growth and job creation and that is what we


have been doing. With regards to Sunday trading, there is no doubt


that consumer patterns have changed. We see this through supermarkets and


people shopping online as well, so there is a great case to be made for


reforming our Sunday trading laws and that is something the government


will continue to make the case for. Your thoughts on tax credits? There


is a report accusing the Treasury of being an acceptably evasive. The


Treasury has said it will introduce new measures to mitigate the impact.


It has taken a long time though. There has been a Lords revolt, a lot


of criticism from the Tory party as well. How has this been handled? The


House of Lords voted in an unconstitutional way. Let me be


clear here, the Chancellor has stated that he will outline the


transitional measures, the support that will help people in the Autumn


Statement in about three weeks' time. But I think we have to remind


ourselves as to how we got into the situation in the first place. Back


in 2010, nine out of ten households and families were being subsidised


through tax credits in the form of welfare. We have been very clear


that through the welfare reform the destination is still the same, that


we will continue to reform welfare, but as the Chancellor said through


the Autumn Statement he will outline how he will reform. We will continue


to reform welfare. On that point about the people who are impacted as


the changes take place, the warnings have been going on for some time.


The Chancellor, it looks like the Treasury either failed to see the


impact or you didn't care. I would disagree with that come completely


on the contrary. The Chancellor has been very clear, he will outline the


measures in terms of transitional help and reform and the support he


will put in place in the Autumn Statement later on. We are reforming


welfare so we can ensure we have lower welfare. We inherited a system


back in 2010 that was completely unsustainable. The tax credit bill


has shot up from 6 billion since when it was first introduced over


?30 billion. That is why we need our welfare reform measures. We will


support those families with regards to transitional support and the


Chancellor will outline that in the Autumn Statement later this month.


The government is doing the right thing, through other measures such


as the increase in the national living wage, support with more help


with childcare as well. It is that wider package that will help


families to ensure they are better off in the long run. Priti Patel,


thank you. The rest of our news headlines.


As we've just mentioned a two-minutes silence will be


observed across the UK at 11 o'clock to remember the nation's war dead.


Over 1.2 million British military personnel have been killed


I remember the land that I left behind in Normandy. They were very


young boys. I will still never forget those boys that I fought


with. So Remembrance Day, the 11th of the 11th, is very important to


me. Victoria Derbyshire has Victoria Derbyshire has shared the


experience of her first chemotherapy session in the video diary she is


keeping for this programme. In this part that we are showing


in full at 10:00, she explains the on my head, I'm wearing a cold cap,


which is to cool my scalp so it reduces the blood flow to my scalp,


therefore it reduces the chemotherapy drugs going to my head,


which hopefully should minimise or reduce hair loss, which is one of


the chemotherapy drugs going to my head, which hopefully should


minimise or reduce hair loss, which is one of these


One of the heads of Russian athletics has acknowledged that


the country does have a problem with doping.


Mikahil Butov, the General Secretary of


the All-Russia Athletic Federation, has responded to the report


by an independent commission which accused his country's sportsmen


side at least 14 people are thought to have drowned after a migrant boat


sank on its way to grease off the island of Lesbos. What is the


latest? All of this happened on the Turkish side of the Aegean Sea so we


are relying on the Turkish state media to tell us what actually


happened here. We know that 14 people have died. 27 people were


rescued. They were pulled from the water and taken to the coast. There


is a search going on now to try to find if anyone else perished in


these waters. Seven of the people who died here were children, in seas


that have seen so much death already. To put this into context,


last month alone 160 people, more than that, died in the seas here


trying to make this journey from Turkey to Greece to get to Europe.


Iraq is and Syrians. They meet in Malta today, the EU leaders, their


focus is on the Mediterranean route to Africa, they will be thinking


about what happens here. 600,000 people are expected to make this


journey before the year is out. Winter is coming. More people will


die. So there is pressure on European leaders to try to find a


solution to end this migration crisis.


Let's catch up with all of the sport. The IAAF president Lord Coe


featuring in many of the day's papers as this Russian athletic


scandal rolls on. Lord Coe coming in for some heavy criticism actually.


Now he is in the firing line, according to the Daily Mail. MPs


demand answers on his handling of this doping crisis.


Edgewater, the head of UK Athletics having a bit of a go. You can see


here in the mirror, the lead from the front, said, Daley Thompson


calling for Seb Coe to show strongly the ship. Laming


Lord Coe says he will chair a council meeting on Friday where


Russia's immediate future in athletics will be decided. The


International Olympic Committee president believes Seb Coe and


Russia can resolve the situation. We are convinced that the new president


Sebastian Coates do whatever is necessary, and also Marussia will


cooperate to make progress, and to be sure that Russian athletics is


compliant with Wada. This is what it needs to be to participate in the


Olympic games will stop Richard Conway has been following the story


and interviewed Lord Coe this week. What realistic chance do Marussia


having competing in Rio next summer? After listening to Thomas


Bach, they will be in courage. He may not have the same kind of


profile as Sepp Blatter or even Lord Coe but he is effectively the most


important man in world sport. He is the president of the International


Olympic committee, and what he says carries weight. If we come back to


the international fold and agree with changes and reforms that need


to happen according to the Wada International committee report, they


can effectively be rehabilitated. It will be a relief to some in Russia


because the thought of them missing out on the Rio Olympic Games next


year will not be something they want to entertain. They want to be there.


So that decision is looming on Friday. Lord Coe under a degree of


pressure to make a decision along with his fellow board members will


stop with his fellow board members will


ground here, which would see Marussia -- Wilsey Russia band.


Given the scale of the claims made against them, we will have to wait


and see the result of that board meeting on Friday. Thomas Bach


saying clearly that Russia can be brought back into the folder they


are willing to do the hard work and comply. We have had some breaking


news surrounding Lord Coe's predecessor, Lamin Diak. Lamin Diak


had been predecessor, Lamin Diak. Lamin Diak


the IOC's job for him, I think he has been nudged the -- nudged in


that direction. But his time at an end now. That is our sports news


correspondent. Another man who has come in for a bit of stick is Sam


Burgess, who did not have the stomach to fight for his future in


rugby union, that is according to Mike Ford. Burgess arrived in Sydney


yesterday after leaving Bath just one year into a three-year deal to


rejoin the South Sydney Rabbitohs. Burgess has been explaining his


decision to go back to league. Deep down, rugby league gave me a


different, something different to rugby union. It is not a mock of


rugby union at all. In certain respects, what players go through,


what they do, I think rugby league you play with passion and heart. My


heart lies in rugby league. The sooner I got back was probably


best. Just finally, England's first one-day against Pakistan in Abu


Dhabi starting in just under one hour's time. We will keep you


up-to-date. Victoria will be back presenting the programme


tomorrow for stop a week ago she began the next age in her treatment


for breast cancer. She's keeping a video diary for this


programme to shed some light on some Many of you may have already


seen her first film following She's being treated at Ashford


and St Peter's Hospitals NHS It's frank, open and doesn't


gloss over some of the treatment. Today I'm having my first session


of chemotherapy which is part And the chemotherapy drugs are being


given to me as a sort of insurance policy, that is how it has been


described to me, in case there are any microscopic traces of cancer


elsewhere in my body, chemotherapy drugs will kill it,


as well as killing all the good On my head I am wearing a cold cap


which is to cool my scalp, so it Therefore, it reduces the


chemotherapy drugs going to my head, which hopefully should minimise or


reduce hair loss which is one of It may or may not work,


but we'll see. While


the drugs were being pushed into me, What does feel weird is


the cold cap and the temperature And that has given me a headache


and made me feel sleepy. And I just sort


of want to curl up and go to sleep. In the last few days,


in the build-up to this first cycle of chemotherapy,


I have been feeling quite vexed and anxious and apprehensive, because it


is the fear of the unknown. And also really impatient to get


the first one under my belt so I Right now, I have got to wear


the cold cap for another hour, But I just


like I want to go to sleep. I have just got back


from the hospital. I was there for about three hours


in total. The worst bit for me was


definitely wearing the cold cap. When it came off though,


the headache just disappeared and the feelings of nausea just


went away which is brilliant. There was actually ice


on my hair and in the cap. It felt, I think it reminded me


of having a hangover. You have a headache,


you don't want to talk to anybody Except with a hangover you want


to eat lots of carbohydrates and I I am really glad that it is one


down and just five to go. I have spent most of


the afternoon and evening in bed. As the day has worn on, I have felt


increasingly queasy and drained. It's a grey November morning


and it's raining a bit, but I don't mind, because I have spent the last


day and a half in bed feeling lethargic and not miserable, but


just no motivation to do anything. Now, today, I feel, 48 hours after


the first session of chemotherapy, I am desperate for some first air so I


have come to take Gracie for a walk. I don't want to speak too soon


because it is only the first session of chemotherapy I


have had, but I feel OK. I know as chemo goes


on things get a little bit worse. The next thing I have to do today is


inject myself with a drug that will stimulate


the growth of white blood cells I usually, I'm all right with


the thought of a needle going in. Sorry,


you will have to see my belly. Well, the needle has gone in


which is fine. Push the solution in,


push the solution in, all the way. This will boost my immunity


which will protect me from... OK, that was much better


than I was expecting. The other thing I need to tell you,


which is obviously not important, but I am telling you anyway,


is I haven't washed my hair, combed my hair, brushed my hair or done


anything on the advice of nurse Emma who said, the longer you can leave


it, the better it might be It is six days


since I had the first chemotherapy session and the way it has drained


my body has made me feel a bit low. You can feel alert and normal


for a couple of hours and then suddenly a wave of tiredness hits


you and you just have to go to bed. I have to say that has made


me feel a bit disconsolate. Everybody reacts, as I have said


before, everybody reacts differently to treatment and I hope you don't


mind me sharing this with you. There are five more sessions to go


and this time will pass, So many of you getting


in touch already sending best wishes Most of the time I have been


positive and have said out loud it is what it is. Some people have


accused me of being brave. The reality is different, I have been


scared. I have sat and watched all of your videos and I feel better. I


cried because I felt stronger and better. That sounds crazy, but I am


sure you will understand. And if you want to share that diary


you can find it on our programme where you can also find her first


diary following her mastectomy. Victoria will be back presenting


the programme tomorrow and I know she's really grateful for all the


messages you've been sending her. Beach mat breaking news. Carl Andre,


the 74-year-old British grandfather who was killed in Saudi Arabia for


possessing alcohol has arrived back in the UK and is in London. Frank


Gardner is here. He is finally back. What happened in the end? This story


was broken by the Sun newspaper a few weeks ago because the family


were afraid he was going to face a huge amount of lashes, the mandatory


punishment if you are caught with alcohol offences. The Saudi


government pursued the Foreign Office, who in turn assured the


family, that he would not be lashed. He was caught in August last year in


Jeddah with quite a large amount of alcohol, which is illegal in Saudi


Arabia. He was sentenced to one year in jail, which he accepted. The


problem is he was still in jail well after his sentence and it was a


bureaucratic mess up by the Saudis. The family were naturally very


concerned that all it would take would be won over officious prison


governor or a prison guard to say, this man is still in, he is supposed


to be lashed, take him to the courtyard. He is a 3 cancer


survivor, and an asthma sufferer, and there were fears for his health.


survivor, and an asthma sufferer, On Twitter people have not been


sympathetic. People the rules, if you break them, you


take the punishment. But his sentence expired in August and he


was still in prison on the 20th of October, so it was really bad.


Philip Hammond flew to Saudi Arabia, had talks with the king, and hours


later he was released. Do we know what Philip Hammond said? Did the


British Government effectively have to intervene? David Cameron


intervene personally because he had been kept in prison so long. I think


to be fair, without the media storm I am not sure. The Foreign Office


would say they were doing it quietly, but the fact is he were


still in prison well beyond that and I cannot imagine the conditions were


particularly great, especially if you do not speak the language, it is


not your religion or your food. He had been an expat for 25 years in


Saudi Arabia. He knew the risks, and he got caught, but he paid more than


the fair price. More than half of all Muslims in the


UK believe government policies have had a negative impact on their lives


- we'll talk to a man who had to move home after being targeted by


racists and a man involved in the government's counter


extremism strategy. Talk Talk has confirmed this morning


that last month's cyber-attack on its website, will cost the


company an estimated ?30 million. The personal details


of more than 150,000 customers Of those, more than 15,000 had


their bank account numbers But the firm's Chief Executive,


Dido Harding, admitted that it's too early to tell the real impact


on the business. Our business editor is here. ?30


million is a lot of money, how have they arrived at that figure? In a


cyber attack external criminal gangs fire loads of data at a company's


website and a breakthrough their security defences. They get inside


the IT infrastructure of a business. A company has to first of


all repaired that bit of the business. The other big cost for


them was that the cyber attack took down their website. One of the main


ways of selling contracts to the public was not functioning and has


only just started functioning today. I interviewed the chief


executive earlier today and I asked her that despite the controversy,


was the business still performing well.


The early signs are quite encouraging.


Most customers tell us that they think we have done the right thing.


We of course saw an immediate step up or spike in customers cancelling


their direct debits, but actually, after a few days, we saw many


of those customers reinstating their direct debits again.


So time will tell but the early signs are that customers


What measures is the company now taking to protect itself in the


future? Just like in the physical world, cyber crime is a fact of life


and there can be no concrete promises this will not happen again.


They have spent a lot more on strengthening security and warning


their customers about scam calls, people trying to get their account


details. They have also brought in British aerospace to look at their


security. British aerospace does cyber security protection. But I


asked after three data attacks this year whether TalkTalk could really


reassure its customers this would not happen again.


TalkTalk takes our customers' security incredibly seriously.


We have been spending more and more on security over the


last two years, and a lot more over the course of the last three weeks.


The reality is, we have to keep building our


security walls higher and higher, because the cyber criminals are


This is not just about TalkTalk, this is the crime of our era.


We are committed to doing everything in our power to protect our


What impact has this had on the company? Probably not as bad as they


originally thought. When they first announced the attack they said all 4


million of their customers could have been affected, they now say it


is 150,000. Their share price is up 12% this morning. Lots of TalkTalk


customers are tied into contracts of up to two years. Even if you want to


leave, you could only do that by encouraging quite a penalty. They


have hung on to customers in a way that has been more positive than


when they originally announced the attack. ?30 million fine sounds like


a lot of money. This is a company that is likely to make ?300 million


of profit when it announces its full-year results next spring. You


have got to keep that ?30 million in context. It is not that big a price


and TalkTalk is a business and it is still performing. Lots of you


getting in touch with us this morning about Victoria's diary.


Linda on Facebook says, wishing you a speedy recovery.


Victoria is bread, honest, and inspiring. -- braid. I hope the cold


cap works for you. My husband does not have much hair left, so the cap


is not necessary for him. John on Facebook says, thank you for


sharing. Alison has e-mailed to say she has just watched the video diary


and she would like to wish you all the best. Linda said, I am sure it


will help people facing similar treatments in the future. That you


are on behalf of all women, I wish you well and continued good health


for the future. Thank you so much for your comments and Victoria


More than half of all Muslims in the UK believe government policies have


had a negative impact on their lives - we'll talk to a man who had to


move home after being targeted by racists and a man involved in the


government's counter extremism strategy. And we'll get reaction


after a senior Russian athletics official


acknowledged his country does have a problem with doping in sport.


Positive news on unemployment - latest figures show it's fallen


by more than one hundred thousand to its lowest level


There was also a big rise in the number of people working full


time, although average earnings didn't rise as much as expected.


The Foreign Secretary has released a statement confirming


British Grandfather Karl Andree has returned to the UK.


Mr Andree was jailed in Saudi Arabia for 12 months


and was also sentenced to 350 lashes, after he was allegedly


In his statement, Philip Hammond said, "Karl was


released from prison hours after my visit to Riyadh on 28th October.


He has returned home to be reunited with his family".


Two minutes' silence will be observed across the UK at 11 o'clock


to remember the nation's war dead. I remember the lads I left behind in


Normandy. They were very young boys and I still remembered today those


boys I fought with. Remembrance Day, the 11th of the 11th, is very


important to me. One of the heads of Russian


athletics has acknowledged that the country does have


a problem with doping. Mikahil Butov,


the General Secretary of the All-Russia Athletic Federation,


has responded to the report by an independent commission which


accused his country's sportsmen Top top has confirmed this morning


the cyber attack on its website will cost the company ?30 billion.


Customers had their bank account numbers and sort code stolen. Let's


catch up with all the spot. The IAAF president Lord Coe comes


under heavy criticism from the head of UK athletics, Ed Warner, as he


tries to clean up the sport. Sebastian Coe will chair a council


meeting on Friday where Russia's feature will be decided.


Sam Burgess did not have the stomach to fight for his future in rugby


union, according to the Bath head coach Mike Ford. He arrived in


Sydney yesterday after leaving bad just one year after a three-year


deal. He said his heart was not in rugby union. Mark Robinson has been


appointed head coach of the England's women's cricket team. He


is scheduled to start his new role at the end of the year in time for


the tour of South Africa in February.


One of the heads of Russian athletics has acknowledged that


the country does have a problem with doping.


Mikahil Butov, the General Secretary of


the All-Russia Athletic Federation, has responded to the report


by an independent commission which accused his country's sportsmen


The head of the Moscow laboratory has resigned.


And of course we should change the mentality of many coaches,


And we started to do it very, very hard.


We organised some educational programmes.


What is most important, me and the head coach


and the interim president, we met with a lot of coaches,


It is very important to direct every athlete with this explanation,


with our vision of anti-doping intention is in Russia.


British middle distance runner Hannah England says cheating Russian


Here's Hannah winning silver in the 1500 metres at the World


Championships in 2011 and gold in the National Championships in 2010.


She was part of Team GB at London 2012 but failed to qualify


for the 800 metres final, which was won by a Russian athlete


In 2009 Hannah competed in the 1500 at the Indoor Championships


which was won by another Russian athlete who failed a test


We can speak to the British middle distance runner Hannah England who's


You have lost out to Russian athletes as we were reporting


there, just running through some of the key moments in your career. You


have written an article describing what it was like. Talk us through


that. I would like to say I have not been as hard done by competitor some


of the other athletes. Jenny Meadows who has had her whole life and


career affected by this. For me it was more as a developing athlete I


would look at these Russian athletes and then, they are phenomenal, how


can they be that good? I questioned by own ability to perform on a world


stage against girls like that. It is awful to have unrealistic


expectations put on you as an athlete by people who are cheating.


You say that people around you would often say if a Russian athlete won


it must be drugs, but you did not want to take that view. Why not? You


do not want to carry that amount of negativity around with you. As an


athlete there is an issue of coming out publicly and saying you question


the performance without any evidence. That is tricky to do. Also


personally in my day to day life, if you open up your mind to the


questions of doping allegations and query that all the time, it is


exhausting. For me that would be letting them win before you stood on


the start line if I am exhausting myself thinking about that. I tried


to put it to the back of my mind and concentrate on myself. Now this


report has come out clearly detailing in so much depth what has


gone on, how do you feel? Furious. It is massively disappointing. It is


not a massive surprise, the extent, how high it has gone with the


authorities in Russia. It is alarming and disappointing when


there are so many of us who train hard in Britain and train clean and


to see the depth of the regime in Russia and what has been going on it


is upsetting. You were an athlete who question your ability, how did


you feel? Really angry. I push myself every day. I have been out


already this morning and I am striving to get the best out of my


body. The idea that you are competing against someone who is


cheating that system and is not being honest. I feel incredibly


lucky that I am in a country that believes what they are doing and I


can ignore what other athletes are doing. Do you think Russian athlete


should be banned from the Olympics next year? Yes, I do. That is for


politicians to decide, not the athletes. But when there is this


ingrained problem and it has been shown to be so high up in the


system, we do not have a choice. Unless they can show that they are


really clean, but I do not think that is possible in the next nine


months. What about the public and their overall trust in athletics? I


think it is a shame people are seeing this as a story and not the


hard work that is going on with the clean, British athletes we have got.


It is incredibly important it gets sorted out. I hope fans can hold on


there and see that we are going to keep the sport up. If you have ever


been inspired by a British athlete, keep looking at that and keep being


inspired by what your country does and keep enjoying athletics. Are you


confident it can be cleaned up? What needs to be done? To be honest I do


not know. Should there be lifetime bans? Absolutely, I have always


thought that. I also have thought each level should be dealt with on a


different level. Some people take things by mistake and others take


things systematically like the rest of athletes, it should be done on a


case by case basis. Sebastian Coe, what do you think about the way he


is handling it? He has got an incredibly hard job at the moment.


It is hard to have faith in the IAAF right now. It is hard to comment on


it as well because of legal investigations that are ongoing.


Lord Coe has got an incredibly hard job and I hope that he does it well.


What about other measures, perhaps for the Olympics next year? Should


there be mandatory blood testing? 100%. Why would you not blood test


everybody? It should be a given regardless. Hannah England, thank


More than half of all Muslims in the UK believe government policies have


had a negative impact on their lives - that's according to a new report


A study by the Islamic Human Rights Commission found many


Muslims feel they have been treated with suspicion and mistrust.


The report's authors say the government's security


and anti-extremism measures, among other policies,


have fuelled discrimination against Muslims in Britain.


BBC Asian Network's Divya Talwar has this investigation.


Iman is 19 and has recently converted to Islam.


She hasn't told her family yet, so we are keeping her anonymous.


Her college suspected she may have been radicalised and she was flagged


up to officers and the government's counter extremism agenda, Prevent.


Was there any change in your behaviour that may have


Nothing that I think would trigger anything at all.


But yeah, I guess, that was the reason I started


wearing a hijab and that was enough for them to contact Prevent.


Under new anti-terrorism laws teachers now have a duty


to report students they suspect are at risk of radicalisation.


Iman believes the government is alienating Muslim students.


Normal misguided teenagers, like a lot of us are, when they get angry


and frustrated with things, they will turn to people for support, and


if the only support they have are those who are extremists,


then they are pushing them into the hands of what they are trying


The Islamic Human Rights Commission has been looking


into discrimination against Muslims in Britain for nearly two decades.


A survey they carried out of more than 1700 Muslims living


in the UK found more than half believed government policies


like those countering extremism had a negative impact on them.


The impact on government policies, in particular those related to


security but not solely, have really had an impact


And I don't think just silencing them from the point of view


Even to do things like report anti-Muslim hatred.


Almost 60% of Muslims questioned believed they


With new duties even on nurseries to look out


for signs of radicalisation, some parents fear children need


So I am scared of things we can talk about.


Recently, we were involved in a Syrian fundraiser.


She said, Mummy one day we will go to Syria and we will see my toys,


"We will see the girl who has my toys."


In a statement, the Home Office said the government is committed to


tackling anti-Muslim hatred and the Prevent agenda is about


protecting those who might be vulnerable to radicalisation.


But the worry in some Muslim communities is new measures to


combat extremism will only alienate and demonise them.


That was presented by Divya Talwar in collaboration with


If you want to watch - or share - the full film you can find it on our


So let's talk now to Murad Alam, a Muslim father of two,


his family had to move home after being targeted by racists.


In Leeds, Adam Walker from the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association


who helped the government form its counter extremism strategy.


And Azad Ali, from the organisation MEND, that stands for


Thank you all for joining us. Murad first of all, your family had to


move house after being targeted by racists. What happened? We had a


knock on the door one night, somebody had left a wooden cross


with ham and pork tied to it. I thought it was quite disgusting at


the time. My wife and children were racially abused in the street.


Someone cut the broadband line, the telephone line, which I thought was


very sinister. Racial graffiti sprayed outside the house. My child


was punched in Bing town centre. Quite a few racist incidents. What


do you think trigger that? Just fear, really. There were not any


Muslim families in the area, they don't know any Muslims, my wife was


visibly a Muslim, she wore a standard headscarf, not to cover her


face anything, people are just scared of what they don't know. Did


it start to happen after you move to a new neighbourhood? We moved to the


neighbourhood of Bingham just outside Nottingham after living


elsewhere. The report says that the government's


I do believe that is the case. They are trying to bring in Draconian


laws recently to look at internet history. People here that and they


think we don't want this. Then they look for someone to blame. To show


we blame it on, the terrorists, who are the terrorists? The Muslims. It


is a train of thought I'm getting from a lot of people at the moment.


Ad, you are from the foundation who had input into the government's


counter extremism policy. Do you think that policy may have helped to


fuel the scrum and nation? I think the policy is far more nuanced than


that. The Muslim community has supported some of the core


principles. For examples and new Islamophobia laws coming into place


that looks to tackle irrational fear of Muslims and criminalise


aggression, verbal and threatening behaviour, towards Muslims is


something that could help people that face this sort of


discrimination. So I'm not sure if it has, or certainly the new changes


that are coming into place, particularly looking with dealing


both with Muslim extremists who are a minority and also the minority of


right wing extremists as well. That should certainly help with people in


school, people generally, but a case of watch this space and see how it


is permitted. When there is a policy of telling people to report any


concerns that they have, if they see a change of behaviour or anything


that might give rise to concerns, and then you hear from an -- then


here from Iman in our film who was reported after she started wearing a


Jaye -- a jihab. There is a lot more that needs to be added to the


current laws. People should not be wrong leader scrimmage against. The


principle should be let the government just how it applies laws.


I would certainly agree with that. Azad, does the government have a


fine line to tread, to be mindful of the sensitivities around that? Yes,


I think the government's approach at the moment is very confused and is


confusing the public. What you report showed is that it is having a


disproportionate and made a perfect on the Muslim community. If you look


at Prevent, and some of the definition of it, democracy is a key


value. The government is saying democracy it is an important value


and then it invites someone who led a coup in Egypt to number ten. So


all of these confusing messages are problematic. I think the government


isn't also clear on what it is trying to deal with. Is it trying to


deal with a crime. Or is it trying to define and change people's


behaviour. That is what a lot of people are concerned about. It is


really important for all of us in society to understand what is being


impacted is all of our liberties. If I can be given one minute to give


you an example, we have recently had a case where a child was reported to


children's services because he said my father went to Saudi Arabia and


it wasn't a my father went to Saudi Arabia and


apparently went on a demonstration. His mother explained that,


apparently went on a demonstration. brother -- my husband did go to


Saudi Arabia, it was a pilgrimage, brother -- my husband did go to


but my son only went to a football match. But that son was reported to


a Prevent programme. Children's services were called up, and the


parents were told your child will be on our register. How does that make


a family feel, how does that make a mother and a father feel? How are


they going to feel, I am sending my son to school, my daughter to


school, if they talk about Islam, are they going to get reported? I


want to get Adam's thoughts on that specific case. That specific case I


want to get Adam's thoughts on that would say it is completely wrong and


there are clearly ethical problems with how far a nurse or a public


servant can be expected to do the job of the police and those spaces


that need to be more defined. I think it is problematic when we look


at this kind of government strategy as though it is a single strategy


and just one entity. It comprises of many different elements. For


example, I don't want my child to be exposed in a teaching environment to


someone who used to be an extremist. No one would disagree with that. I


want my children to be safe from right-wing extremists and also


teachers with right wing leanings. We have seen more and more cases of


this in schools increasingly everyday. These are elements of the


law that are productive. Looking at the online propaganda extremists use


is something very worthwhile. I do agree there needs to be much more


definition. We can't complete issues. When you talk about heads of


states, there are heads of states that come from every single week


there are protests regarding every different heads of states that


come, many completely unrelated to Islam Feruz. Are you saying it is OK


to invite someone that led a coup, that remove the only democratic


government in Egypt, is it OK? Then what is the conclusion here? Adam,


whilst I totally agree with you... When we look at these sorts of


issues, when we look at what example internet laws that come into play,


these are things that will impact everybody, these are issues that all


Brits have, not just Muslims. Gentlemen, I am really sorry, we are


right out of time. At thank you all very much. We


We asked to talk to someone from the Home Office ahead of this interview


The Home Office did, however, send us this statement:


Lots and lots of you still getting in touch with us about Victoria's


diary, following her first chemotherapy session. I just want to


bring you some more of your comments because so many of your getting in


touch. David has treated the same making yourself the story in order


to shed light on a social darkness for others is the height of


professionalism and bravery. Rose on Twitter. So touching, thank you, you


are so brave. Steve has e-mailed, you are a true legend, I am a DJ and


just astounded at your bravery for videoing what has happened to you. I


lost my parents to cancer when I was 22 and 26 and had a scare myself


when I was 35. It was one of the most scary thing is I have ever gone


through in my life. I would be honoured to have you as a friend on


here and Facebook too if you are OK with that. I do a lot of work with


cancers. Heidi has e-mailed to say what a


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all we can do is quick with fear in the face of it. You're brave and


open account of your story is going a long way to demystify this awful


disease and make it seem just a process. Thank you so much,


Victoria, keep on keeping on. Best wishes. Kim has text at all the best


for you, off tangent, but I loved the nail polish. Much love. A tweet


from Kitty, what a courageous woman, giving people a valuable insight


into her chemotherapy sessions. Hannah has treated the video on BBC


news is so inspiring, and Bill has e-mailed, well done Victoria. My


wife went through five years of treatment and had different sentence


from each treatment, didn't lose her hair until the last one. You are


doing a great job showing it as it is. Well done to you all. Well


the fourth Republican debate was supposed to be against romp against


Carson but the standout performance was not even a candidate, step


forward Gerard Baker, also known as the British guy, the guy with their


hair or least flatteringly of all, Humpty Dumpty. Gerard Baker is one


of the people moderating this debate. The expectation was that the


focus was going to be on Trump against Carson, two of the


candidates. But as you mentioned, on twitter it was a different


situation. Everyone was wondering where is he from? Is he British. The


question about him, is Gerard Baker British, was trending on twitter, a


lot of people asking about his accent. If you look at Google


trends, the top questions asked about him were where is Gerard Baker


from, who is Gerard Baker, is he a US citizen, how old is Gerard Baker


and is Gerard Baker British? What are people asking lots of questions.


This is a perfect example where you have an audience watching a news


event, and this is the great example of the second screen experience


because they are on their smartphones or tablets, and asking


lots of other questions while they are watching the debate. You saw


that happen actually during the UK general election here on the Google


trends when the leaders debates were taking place, a lot of people were


asking what age is Nicola Sturgeon, what height is David Cameron and so


on. It'll have an appetite for information. Thank you very much.


Victoria's back tomorrow, and will bring you an interview with


the father of one of the people killed in the germanwings air crash,


where the pilot deliberately crashed the plane, killing 150 people.


Don't forget, you can continue to watch Victoria's video diary on the


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