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Hello it's Monday, it's 9.15, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | :00:07. | :00:08. | |
Shock, anger and fear in France as the country tries to rationalise why | :00:09. | :00:23. | |
it was hit again by terrorist attacks. A manhunt is under way. | :00:24. | :00:31. | |
Police have carried out more than 150 raids on addresses across the | :00:32. | :00:41. | |
country. France has also sent jets to bomb Raqqa in Syria. Plus, | :00:42. | :00:50. | |
massive investment in UK security amid fears the same could happen in | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
Britain. We will do everything we can to make sure we keep our people | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
safe but we live in a very dangerous world. | :01:00. | :01:07. | |
Raids are taking place across France this morning in search of surviving | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
members and accomplices of the group behind the Paris attacks. | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
So far, 129 people are known to have died. | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
Here are pictures of just 9 of them - as well as many Parisians, | :01:19. | :01:21. | |
they included people from Britain, America, Belgium and Mexico - | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
tourists, students, fashion designers, merchandise sellers, | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
lawyers, mothers, fathers, husbands, wives, sons, daughters - | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
all killed in 193 minutes of terror across the French capital. | :01:34. | :01:40. | |
36-year-old Nick Alexander was from Essex - he was selling merchandise | :01:41. | :01:42. | |
His family say he was "everyone's best friend" and died | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
His girlfriend Polina Buckley spoke to reporters. | :01:48. | :01:58. | |
How would you like people to remember him? He was the greatest | :01:59. | :02:07. | |
person in the world. In the past couple of minutes, two | :02:08. | :02:26. | |
more of the suicide bombers have been identified. Passport showed one | :02:27. | :02:38. | |
of them was 25 years of age. One of the attackers at the Bataclan was | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
28. An eighth man is on the run. The French Prime Minister Manuel | :02:42. | :02:48. | |
Valls has revealed they believe new terror attacks are being planned | :02:49. | :02:51. | |
in France and in other European countries following the carnage | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
in Paris. In an interview this morning he | :02:54. | :02:55. | |
also said the French intelligence services had prevented several | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
attacks since the summer. He said the attacks were planned and | :02:59. | :03:08. | |
organised from Syria. We know that operations were being prepared, not | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
only against France but other European countries as well. Islamic | :03:15. | :03:22. | |
State issued a statement, stating clearly these countries were | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
possible targets. It's emerged that a suspect - | :03:26. | :03:27. | |
who's on the run - was spoken to by French police hours after | :03:28. | :03:30. | |
the killings, and then released. Salah Abdeslam, who's 26, is thought | :03:31. | :03:32. | |
to have rented a car in Belgium that was found near the Bataclan theatre, | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
where 89 people were murdered. Raids have been carried out | :03:37. | :03:38. | |
in various locations across France, Our reporter Jim Reed has | :03:39. | :03:41. | |
the latest. We were quite close to the stage, | :03:42. | :04:05. | |
just dancing. People were screaming, shouting and screaming. Firing | :04:06. | :04:16. | |
indiscriminately into the crowd. It lasted an eternity, it was probably | :04:17. | :04:22. | |
an hour. As Paris comes to terms with the worst terror attack since | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
the Second World War, the investigation is moving quickly. | :04:26. | :04:33. | |
Reports that at least one of the suicide bombers had a ticket to the | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
game and tried to get inside before being challenged by security. | :04:38. | :04:49. | |
It was here that police found the Syrian passport near the body of one | :04:50. | :04:56. | |
of the attackers. Officials have said it was used to travel the | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
migrant route but no direct link has been made with the attack and at | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
this stage there is the possibility it was planted, forged or stolen. | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
Around the time of the stadium attack, gunman struck at six | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
different locations in the east of Paris. Most of them were cafes and | :05:16. | :05:23. | |
restaurants. I thought it was a firecracker then it got louder. | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
There was a pile of bodies on the left-hand side, about four that had | :05:27. | :05:33. | |
been sitting at the tables on the right-hand side. On Sunday the focus | :05:34. | :05:40. | |
was on this car, suspected to have been used as a getaway vehicle. | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
French media said police found abandoned in the outskirts of the | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
city with three rounds of ammunition and assault rifles. It was in the | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
Bataclan concert venue that there was the greatest loss of life. ATI | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
confirmed dead with dozens more in a serious condition. New footage | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
emerged of the moment shooting broke out. A second car has been traced to | :06:04. | :06:16. | |
this man, one of three brothers suspected of being involved in the | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
attacks. A manhunt is under way for the 26-year-old, reportedly stopped | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
by police shortly after the attacks driving in another car North to the | :06:27. | :06:33. | |
Belgian border, but he was let go. The international connection now | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
appears to be key. Police made a series of arrests in Brussels, | :06:37. | :06:45. | |
detaining several men including the older brother of Salah Abdeslam. The | :06:46. | :06:53. | |
names of the other attackers are starting to be released. This | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
brother from the same family blew themselves up outside this bar. | :07:00. | :07:11. | |
In Paris last night it was about the victims far more than the | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
perpetrators. Funerals will take place in the coming days. 129 are | :07:17. | :07:23. | |
now confirmed the dead from at least 13 different countries. More than | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
300 have been injured, many very seriously. | :07:30. | :07:30. | |
The Paris prosecutor is seeing one of the suicide bombers was a French | :07:31. | :07:43. | |
national, born in a presumed suburb, and was known to French | :07:44. | :07:46. | |
anti-terrorist police and had been known since 2012, and had been the | :07:47. | :07:53. | |
subject of an international arrest warrant since 2013. A little bit | :07:54. | :07:55. | |
more about another of the suicide bombers... It is the same one, | :07:56. | :08:07. | |
actually. Placed under formal investigation for terrorist | :08:08. | :08:08. | |
conspiracy. France has responded to the attacks | :08:09. | :08:10. | |
in Paris on Friday by launching its biggest bombing raid yet against the | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
self-styled Islamic State group. A wave of French jets struck | :08:14. | :08:35. | |
a number of targets in the Syrian city of Raqqa, which is controlled | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
by the militants. The French govt says they have the | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
right to self defend themselves, after the Islamic State group said | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
it carried out the Paris attacks. Jeremy Corbyn has suggested those | :08:48. | :09:00. | |
extra strikes from France will probably not make any difference. He | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
said the answer has to be a political settlement in Syria though | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
he acknowledged this would be very difficult to achieve. | :09:08. | :09:08. | |
Here, the government has announced extra funding for security | :09:09. | :09:10. | |
and intelligence staff at MI5, MI6, and GCHQ - which will allow them to | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
It's the biggest increase in security spending since the July | :09:15. | :09:22. | |
David Cameron says "protecting the British people is my | :09:23. | :09:32. | |
number one duty as prime minister " and that the new recruits will | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
help in a "generational struggle" against extremism. | :09:36. | :09:37. | |
In an interview on Radio 4 this morning he also said | :09:38. | :09:39. | |
the government has been aware of groups of militants in Syria | :09:40. | :09:42. | |
potentially sending people back to carry out attacks in Britain. | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
It is very important that we carry on with our lives. What these | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
terrorists want to do is change our way of life and destroy our way of | :09:54. | :10:00. | |
life and we should be vigilant. In a free society you never have 100% | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
security but you also have the people and the police working | :10:04. | :10:08. | |
together to keep us safe. Remember that but remember that our freedom | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
depends on showing resolve and carrying on with our way of life, | :10:12. | :10:17. | |
which is exactly what we want to do. The biggest loss of life was at the | :10:18. | :10:24. | |
Bataclan Theatre. Michael O'Connor was caught up in the attack. It was | :10:25. | :10:33. | |
just like an automatic rifle firing into the crowd. People falling all | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
over the place, screaming, pushing to get away. It was so fool as well. | :10:37. | :10:48. | |
Once I realised what was going on, my first instinct was to get me and | :10:49. | :10:54. | |
my girlfriend out of there. I don't think I heard the attackers shouting | :10:55. | :10:57. | |
or saying anything, they were just firing indiscriminately into the | :10:58. | :11:04. | |
crowd. When they had emptied the magazine, everybody got up and tried | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
to make another --, they be loaded and started firing into us again. | :11:10. | :11:17. | |
People were wounded and conscious but not crying out, trying to stay | :11:18. | :11:23. | |
quiet. I could see lots of other people who were obviously dead. At | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
one point we could tell there was activity on the balcony, we were | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
whispering to each other that we would be OK. I thought I was going | :11:33. | :11:39. | |
to die. At one point, because I could not see properly, it sounded | :11:40. | :11:47. | |
like they were firing down from the balcony into the main area. I | :11:48. | :11:54. | |
thought at some point they would shoot us as well. It was towards the | :11:55. | :12:02. | |
end of a song. It sounded like firecrackers. People did not know | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
what was going on. Thought it was part of the gig. Right up to the | :12:07. | :12:17. | |
front of the stage, the lead singer ran off. At that point we realised | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
this was not part of the show. This was reality. When they ran off stage | :12:24. | :12:31. | |
there were gunshots, everything was quiet and the lights went on. | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
Everybody dropped to the floor, people were hugging each other, | :12:37. | :12:43. | |
protecting each other. It was really distressing. Could not believe what | :12:44. | :12:46. | |
was happening. The gunfire continued. There was not any | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
screaming, just silence, there was not even the echo of guns, these | :12:53. | :13:00. | |
bullets kept hitting people. Everybody was silent, people were | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
lying there, it felt like it was about ten minutes but it was | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
probably about two minutes. People starting to crawl away. There was | :13:10. | :13:21. | |
not a point where we could run, we were just crawling toward the fire | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
exit. Some people were frozen with fear, not moving, it was disturbing | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
that you were climbing over people, people just like you. I turned round | :13:30. | :13:40. | |
to see where the sound came from and as I turned round, there were rows | :13:41. | :13:48. | |
of people dropping to the floor. We followed. We looked up and just saw | :13:49. | :13:51. | |
this guy walking around the edge of the room with a rifle, we both | :13:52. | :14:00. | |
thought that was it for us, but thankfully after that, the doors | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
opened and we were close enough that we got out fairly soon. People and | :14:06. | :14:13. | |
governments across the world have pledged solidarity with France and | :14:14. | :14:16. | |
have been spontaneous tributes as well. Here are some of them. | :14:17. | :14:46. | |
My message to the French people is simple. This is an attack not just | :14:47. | :15:00. | |
on Paris but not just on people of France but an attack on all of | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
humanity and the values we share. All of the places where people were | :15:05. | :15:18. | |
killed were places where people were having fun and there is no one in | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
this world that should have the right to stop us doing what we love. | :15:24. | :16:38. | |
Just to let you know this is being reported by Reuters, Belgian police | :16:39. | :16:49. | |
have carried out a raid in the Brussels district where some of the | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
suicide bombers are said to have lived. | :16:56. | :17:04. | |
Coming up: We will hear from David Cameron on the Paris attacks, | :17:05. | :17:10. | |
talking from the T20 summit in Turkey. We will hear what he says | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
life. And as the Prime Minister warns of further attacks in Paris | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
and across Europe, we will be live in Paris with Ben Brown in a few | :17:20. | :17:21. | |
minutes. A manhunt is underway for one | :17:22. | :17:28. | |
of the key suspects of the Paris terror attacks in | :17:29. | :17:39. | |
which 129 people were killed. Police are searching | :17:40. | :17:41. | |
for Brussels-born 26-year-old It's emerged that he was questioned | :17:42. | :17:42. | |
in the hours afterwards Two more of | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
the attackers have just been named. The authorities are already looking | :17:47. | :17:56. | |
for him after he broke bail in 2013. A Syrian passport was found | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
near his body. France has hit back | :18:01. | :18:03. | |
against the Islamic State militant group in response to the Paris | :18:04. | :18:06. | |
attacks, launching air strikes against their stronghold | :18:07. | :18:08. | |
in the Syrian city of Raqqa. The defence ministry said 20 bombs | :18:09. | :18:10. | |
were dropped in the raid overnight, hitting targets including | :18:11. | :18:13. | |
a command centre, a munitions depot In the UK more money is to be | :18:14. | :18:15. | |
made available for the security David Cameron says | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
an extra 1900 officers would help in what he called a generational | :18:20. | :18:22. | |
struggle against extremism. He's also told the Today programme | :18:23. | :18:25. | |
that Britain should consider also I support the action in Syria. | :18:26. | :18:28. | |
It is happening anyway. The question is, | :18:29. | :18:39. | |
should we go further? I have always said I think it | :18:40. | :18:41. | |
is sensible that we should. ISIL don't recognise | :18:42. | :18:44. | |
a border between Iraq and Syria and neither should we. | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
I need to build the argument, I need to take it to Parliament, | :18:49. | :18:50. | |
I need to convince more people. We won't hold the vote unless we can | :18:51. | :19:01. | |
see Parliament would endorse the A 16-year-old has been arrested | :19:02. | :19:08. | |
on suspicion of attempted murder after a police officer was attacked | :19:09. | :19:10. | |
in East London. The officer was stabbed | :19:11. | :19:12. | |
in the stomach while responding to reports of anti-social behaviour | :19:13. | :19:14. | |
in Tower Hamlets. Scotland Yard said | :19:15. | :19:16. | |
the constable is in a serious but stable condition in hospital. | :19:17. | :19:19. | |
Around 60 flood warnings remain in place across Britain this | :19:20. | :19:22. | |
morning, but the most serious risk is believed to have passed. | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
Torrential rain over the weekend has caused flooding in parts of Cumbria, | :19:27. | :19:28. | |
Lancashire and Yorkshire. Good morning. The French national | :19:29. | :19:41. | |
team will travel to England today for the international friendly. They | :19:42. | :19:44. | |
did have the offer for the game not to go ahead after the English FA | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
suggested they could cancel the game, but all 23 players wanted the | :19:50. | :19:56. | |
game to go ahead. Just like many sports stadiums across the world, | :19:57. | :19:59. | |
the Wembley arch will be lit up with the colours of the French flag to | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
show solidarity with the French people. Elsewhere in sport, Lewis | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
Hamilton says that he will work hard to try and understand why he is now | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
losing team is the sadist team-mate Nico Rosberg. Nico Rosberg racked up | :20:14. | :20:19. | |
his second victory against Lewis Hamilton in quick succession after | :20:20. | :20:22. | |
winning the Brazilian Grand Prix yesterday. And Andy Murray begins | :20:23. | :20:28. | |
his ATP world tour finals campaign against David Ferrer out this | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
afternoon. It will be interesting to see how Andy Murray get done because | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
he has been preparing for the Davis cup final, which starts next week, | :20:37. | :20:43. | |
on play, but this surface is a hard court so it will be interesting to | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
see if he can step up to that challenge. -- on clay courts. Thank | :20:49. | :20:55. | |
you. Inevitably our programme is dominated by events in Paris at the | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
weekend. Let's go live to the capital and Ben Brown. What has the | :21:00. | :21:02. | |
French Prime Minister been saying this morning? Manuel Valls has been | :21:03. | :21:09. | |
saying that we have got to live with this terrorist threat. We have to | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
fully live, but live with this threat, and that is the message that | :21:14. | :21:16. | |
people here in Paris and around France are beginning to get. They | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
have the attacks, the Charlie Hebdo killings, in January at the | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
beginning of this year, and all the terror that followed them. And now | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
the year is ending with more terrorism, even more deadly. Manuel | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
Valls said Islamic state cannot win the war against us but this | :21:36. | :21:41. | |
terrorist organisation is seeking to weaken and divide us. Here in Place | :21:42. | :21:44. | |
de la Republique, in the heart of Paris, is where people have been | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
coming to lay flowers and light candles in memory of the dead, but | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
also leaving slogans saying that France will not be weekend or | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
divided by this terrorism and they will stand up to it and defy it. | :21:59. | :22:05. | |
What more can you tell us about the identity of the attackers? | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
Interesting because new details have just emerged in the last few minutes | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
about two of the suicide bombers. One of them who blew himself up | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
outside the stadium where President Hollande was during the France | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
friendly match with Germany, the star to France, that was Ahmad Al | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
Mohammad. -- Stade de France. A Syrian passport was found by his | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
body and if that is authentic, he was 25 years old and born in Syria. | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
We are just getting that information now from the Paris prosecutors | :22:37. | :22:43. | |
office, and the identity of another suicide bomber has been given, Samy | :22:44. | :22:50. | |
Amimour, 28 and from France. This is interesting and very significant | :22:51. | :22:53. | |
because this man was born in Paris and was known to the French | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
intelligence services, we are hearing. He was actually placed | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
under formal investigation in October 2012 for terrorist | :23:03. | :23:08. | |
conspiracy. He was right on their radar. He broke bail in 2013. An | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
international arrest warrant was issued for him. Three of his | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
relatives have now been detained but this was a man who was on the radar | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
of French intelligence, so yet more questions for them. And how would | :23:25. | :23:30. | |
you describe the atmosphere today? Still very tense, Victoria. When we | :23:31. | :23:36. | |
arrived here on Saturday morning, the city was pretty empty. Just in a | :23:37. | :23:43. | |
few hours after the attacks, people frightened, nervous, staying in | :23:44. | :23:46. | |
their homes and afraid to go onto the streets. And yesterday more | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
people did come out onto the streets and they did want to attend vigils | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
at the various scenes of the six attacks, lighting candles, laying | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
flowers, showing solidarity. Then there was panic last night when | :24:00. | :24:02. | |
people thought there had been a new attack right where we are in Place | :24:03. | :24:06. | |
de la Republique, and people started running. Hundreds of people running, | :24:07. | :24:12. | |
they thought for their lives. People are so on edge, really. There was | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
not only gunfire but there were rumours that there had been some | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
shooting and so they ran. There were extraordinary scenes in cafes with | :24:21. | :24:23. | |
people diving under tables and lying on the floor because they thought | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
new attacks had started. And particularly because one of the | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
suspect is still on the run, 26-year-old Salah Abdeslam. Police | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
have said that he is dangerous and should not be approached if seen. | :24:38. | :24:40. | |
That is adding to the sense of nervousness and tension here. Thank | :24:41. | :24:47. | |
you. Ben Brown live in Paris. It is probably worth repeating what the | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
Paris prosecutor is telling us this morning about two of the suicide | :24:52. | :24:58. | |
bombers. As we were saying, a 28-year-old French man, Samy | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
Amimour, charged in 2012 in a terrorism investigation, and placed | :25:04. | :25:06. | |
under judicial supervision, but he dropped off the radar and was the | :25:07. | :25:10. | |
subject of an international arrest warrant. Another of the suicide | :25:11. | :25:13. | |
bombers who blew himself up outside the Stade de France, tried to get | :25:14. | :25:20. | |
in, found with a Syrian passport, by the name of Ahmad Al Mohammad. 25 | :25:21. | :25:27. | |
and born in Syria. The prosecutors are saying fingerprints from the | :25:28. | :25:30. | |
attacker match those of somebody who passed through Greece in October. | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
And three members of the family have been in custody since early Monday | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
morning. The very first attacker to be formally identified was Omar | :25:40. | :25:46. | |
Mostefai, a 29-year-old French man, born just South of Paris and we have | :25:47. | :25:48. | |
been finding out more about him. I'm in Chartres, | :25:49. | :25:55. | |
which is a town about an hour south of Paris, and we are | :25:56. | :25:57. | |
outside the house of Omar Mostefai. It's here he lived in around 2012, | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
but we've been on the trail It started when we were | :26:02. | :26:04. | |
in Courcouronnes, the town just south of Paris, 15 kilometres south, | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
and part of the Banlieux. I spoke to people there, | :26:10. | :26:11. | |
and they kind of painted a picture of a bit of a | :26:12. | :26:15. | |
street rat, bit of a kind of local Arrested eight times by police, | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
involved in petty crime. But I spoke to a friend | :26:20. | :26:22. | |
of his who said he was a nice guy, just one of the lads, | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
used to drive around in cars and just generally hang out, nothing | :26:27. | :26:29. | |
particularly menacing about him. But something seems to have happened | :26:30. | :26:31. | |
in 2010 when he came here to Chartres and he was flagged by the | :26:32. | :26:34. | |
government as a possible radical. In 2012, his brother at least thinks | :26:35. | :26:37. | |
he may well have gone to Algeria, and from there possible he even | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
went to Syria, but I've got to say We've been on the trail | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
of this young man and it seems that it's gone from street rat to | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
dangerous, dangerous radical. Still to come, we will be live in | :26:51. | :27:06. | |
Paris where we will get political reaction on the terror attacks. | :27:07. | :27:09. | |
Let's speak to Norman Smith about reaction here and in particular what | :27:10. | :27:12. | |
David Cameron has been saying on the radio this morning. What would you | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
draw from what he has said? A number of interesting lines. The most | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
striking thing is that he said there have been seven thwarted terrorist | :27:22. | :27:24. | |
plots in the UK in the last six months alone. They are not on the | :27:25. | :27:32. | |
scale of what happened in Paris but seven is an awful lot in six months | :27:33. | :27:35. | |
and that underlines the nature of the threat we now seem to face. He | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
also announced there would be beefing up of security services and | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
extra cash to take on 2000 more spies, bluntly. The budget for | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
aviation services will be doubled, so more security officers at | :27:49. | :27:51. | |
airports, more scanning, more research will technology to go into | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
scanning equipment. And there will be a review into a number of | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
airports in the Middle East and North Africa which are used by a lot | :28:01. | :28:04. | |
of British travellers, just to see if the security there is up to date. | :28:05. | :28:11. | |
And on top of all that, the investigatory powers bill, which we | :28:12. | :28:14. | |
have talked a lot about, giving the security services more power to look | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
at our emails, internet and data usage, there are indications that | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
David Cameron might speed that up through the Commons. What is | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
absolutely critical in many people's mines will be whether we are going | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
to start bombing and joining in the air in Syria. The indication from | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
David Cameron is no, not now, because there simply is no | :28:36. | :28:39. | |
parliamentary majority for it. Labour MPs are opposed, the SNP, the | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
Liberal Democrats, all opposed. But this is the thing. There are signs | :28:44. | :28:51. | |
that the West, Britain, America and France, are willing to strike a deal | :28:52. | :28:54. | |
with President Putin because the language has changed. If a deal can | :28:55. | :29:00. | |
be done with Putin said that Russia focuses all its efforts on attacking | :29:01. | :29:08. | |
IS, all its diplomatic efforts there, that could potentially mean | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
some Labour MPs think they have a diplomatic route and we could be | :29:13. | :29:15. | |
willing to support military action if there is a diplomatic route. Just | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
listen to what David Cameron said on the wireless this morning about | :29:20. | :29:24. | |
relations with Russia. It sounds much more conciliatory. Of course we | :29:25. | :29:29. | |
are using our military power in Iraq, directly combating Isil and | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
they have lost 20% of the territory that they held, but we are also | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
using our military power to stop in their tracks threats to this | :29:39. | :29:45. | |
country, as we did with Hussein and in helping the Americans with | :29:46. | :29:48. | |
so-called Jihadi John, who were all in Syria. On the issue of going | :29:49. | :29:54. | |
further, I support the action in Syria. We are part of the enablers | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
for that. It is happening anyway. The question is whether we should go | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
further and join that action. I have always said that I think it is | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
sensible that we should. Isil do not recognise a border between Iraq and | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
Syria and neither do we but I need to build the argument, take it to | :30:12. | :30:15. | |
Parliament, convince more people. We will not hold that vote unless we | :30:16. | :30:30. | |
can see that Parliament would endorse that action, because to fail | :30:31. | :30:33. | |
on this would be damaging. It is not a question of damaging the | :30:34. | :30:35. | |
Government. It is not damaging our country and its reputation in the | :30:36. | :30:38. | |
world. I will build the case, but in the end Parliament must decide. So | :30:39. | :30:40. | |
air strikes and joining in, in the immediate future, no. David Cameron | :30:41. | :30:43. | |
is not going to risk it, not just because of the personal blow to his | :30:44. | :30:49. | |
own authority but the diplomatic risks. It would be a political coup | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
for Islamic state. The view in Government circles is that if they | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
can get Putin on board, if they can get some broad agreement reached, | :30:58. | :31:01. | |
then he can go back to the Commons and say, look, I want you to support | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
air strikes but I have a diplomatic plan as well. Many Labour MPs are | :31:06. | :31:09. | |
saying they will not support air strikes unless there is a clear | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
diplomatic plan. If David Cameron and Obama can hammer out a | :31:15. | :31:18. | |
diplomatic plan, then it is quite possible that David Cameron will | :31:19. | :31:21. | |
come back to the Commons and say, look, here it is, now will you back | :31:22. | :31:23. | |
air strikes? David Cameron addressed that this | :31:24. | :31:34. | |
morning but there are differences because we are an island. That is a | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
fairly significant factor. When you speak to the police they say the | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
availability of guns in Britain is much less, particularly automatic | :31:44. | :31:53. | |
weapons. The other thing David Cameron spoke about is we have | :31:54. | :31:58. | |
different border controls. They have an agreement so that in the rest of | :31:59. | :32:05. | |
Europe when you are in, you are in. But let us not be naive, we have | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
seen terrorism on the streets already, and we should expect more | :32:11. | :32:19. | |
police on the streets, more presence at sporting events, such as the | :32:20. | :32:24. | |
coming football match. I wonder whether the Chancellor will need to | :32:25. | :32:28. | |
think again about cuts to police budgets because you can imagine the | :32:29. | :32:31. | |
Home Secretary will be saying to him, hang on a second, you cannot | :32:32. | :32:37. | |
seriously be talking about cutting police numbers. We are getting more | :32:38. | :32:49. | |
details about the suicide bombers all the time. The French Daugherty | :32:50. | :32:55. | |
is identifying another two of the attackers. -- French authorities. | :32:56. | :33:11. | |
One of the attackers came from Turkey, he was found with the Syrian | :33:12. | :33:16. | |
passport alongside him. Still not clear if that passport was genuine | :33:17. | :33:19. | |
or not. His family are saying that he went to Syria two years ago. | :33:20. | :33:29. | |
More information coming in all the time. Let us speak to a | :33:30. | :33:41. | |
French-Algerian journalist who specialises in Islamic politics. How | :33:42. | :33:57. | |
do you respond to what happened? My first thought was I was glad I was | :33:58. | :34:03. | |
not there. I go back and forth an awful lot. My sister, my brother, my | :34:04. | :34:17. | |
friends live in Paris. My first reaction was to say, thank God I am | :34:18. | :34:25. | |
safe. I will make sure family and friends were caught in this tragedy, | :34:26. | :34:29. | |
I spoke to my sister and she said she was about to go out with | :34:30. | :34:35. | |
girlfriends around that time. They got lazy about it and they remained | :34:36. | :34:40. | |
away from the capital. I also spoke to my younger brother, who lives in | :34:41. | :34:47. | |
Paris, and told him to stay at home because there was no indication at | :34:48. | :34:50. | |
that point that the attacks were over. There could be further attacks | :34:51. | :34:55. | |
and, as it happens, there is an ongoing crisis, with one of the | :34:56. | :35:01. | |
terrorist at large, with one of the accomplices. It is very much an | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
ongoing threat and I wanted to make sure, he is a distinctive looking | :35:07. | :35:10. | |
young man, there was always going to be a risk of him being arrested or | :35:11. | :35:16. | |
being the victim of violence because of retaliation attacks. Rate. That | :35:17. | :35:23. | |
is interesting you talk about retaliation, is that an | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
inevitability? There are always going to be people who will want to | :35:28. | :35:34. | |
link the attacks and try to stigmatise entire communities | :35:35. | :35:37. | |
because of the background of the perpetrators, of the attacks. To | :35:38. | :35:47. | |
give you some staggering figures, after the Charlie Hebdo attacks, | :35:48. | :35:50. | |
within hours they work grenade and arson attacks in France against | :35:51. | :35:57. | |
mosques. In the six months, physical assaults against Muslims have | :35:58. | :36:04. | |
increased by 500%. There was an increase of 100% of verbal abuse, | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
with women wearing headscarves being targeted particularly, including | :36:10. | :36:15. | |
children who refused to do the minute of silence because they did | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
not feel that they were with Charlie Hebdo. They were pulled out of | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
classrooms and taken to police stations. We are talking about | :36:26. | :36:34. | |
children aged 8-12. This feels different, don't you think? It feels | :36:35. | :36:44. | |
very different. It was indiscriminate, particularly | :36:45. | :36:46. | |
sinister because of the targets. It is very easy to attack civilians. | :36:47. | :36:58. | |
The danger of -- the nature of these attacks makes it the most cowardly | :36:59. | :37:06. | |
possible. I think there will be a different feeling to Paris. There is | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
a determination to put a resilient front and say, never again but we | :37:11. | :37:16. | |
heard that slogan in January. There was marching across Paris. It was | :37:17. | :37:19. | |
highly symbolic. It was necessary, but I think the French will expect | :37:20. | :37:32. | |
more than token a stick marches. They expect the government to do | :37:33. | :37:37. | |
much more than that, including intelligence, proper intelligence. | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
Let me ask you about some of the information coming out this morning, | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
that one of the men went to Syria a couple of years ago and was on the | :37:47. | :37:52. | |
radar of the authorities, under judicial supervision until 2013, | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
then dropping off the radar. Indeed. There is something depressingly | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
familiar and predictable about the profile of the terrorists, not only | :38:02. | :38:08. | |
those involved in these attacks but also invariably, they tend to be | :38:09. | :38:14. | |
young French men of North African background who live on housing | :38:15. | :38:19. | |
estates, very much deprived areas. They tend to come from troubled | :38:20. | :38:25. | |
backgrounds, involved in petty criminality. They have a track | :38:26. | :38:37. | |
record of radicalisation. It includes spending time abroad. | :38:38. | :38:45. | |
Countries where we can have an affiliation. There is still a heck | :38:46. | :38:53. | |
of a leap from growing up in a deprived suburb and then 20 years | :38:54. | :39:01. | |
later turning up with a suicide vest and a Kalashnikov to kill Muslims, | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
Christians, French people, at a rock concert. There is indeed, but there | :39:07. | :39:15. | |
are clues that you cannot ignore, and that includes the radicalisation | :39:16. | :39:22. | |
aspect. Invariably, these young people are known to security | :39:23. | :39:30. | |
services. I think the radicalisation aspect makes them particularly | :39:31. | :39:33. | |
interesting for the security services, people who should be | :39:34. | :39:43. | |
monitored properly. Trips abroad to countries like Syria, that is not | :39:44. | :39:47. | |
innocent. It takes a handful of sociopaths from that background to | :39:48. | :39:52. | |
absolutely reek havoc. These are people who, in their minds, have | :39:53. | :40:00. | |
nothing to lose. There is a tacit agreement that they are prepared to | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
kill as many people as possible and die themselves. May I just add that | :40:05. | :40:10. | |
after the Charlie Hebdo attacks, we have heard from the Prime Minister | :40:11. | :40:17. | |
of France, he spoke very frankly and bluntly about an ethnic, territorial | :40:18. | :40:23. | |
and social apartheid in France. The high-rise estates, characterised | :40:24. | :40:29. | |
with delinquency, discrimination and poverty. It is a fertile ground for | :40:30. | :40:40. | |
people to become liable to carry out the radicalisation. The French | :40:41. | :40:47. | |
interior minister is about to hold a press conference in Paris, we will | :40:48. | :40:53. | |
cross live when he begins. Why do you think Paris again? To be | :40:54. | :41:01. | |
perfectly honest, I'm sure there are many reasons, but there is also an | :41:02. | :41:09. | |
intrinsic link, it seems, between foreign policy and domestic | :41:10. | :41:16. | |
affairs, and there is certainly a relation there between France's | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
decision to tackle an extremely serious, global problem, that is | :41:22. | :41:27. | |
barbaric, radicalisation linked to groups like Isis, strikes in their | :41:28. | :41:35. | |
territory, eastern Syria, western Iraq, and the perception that it is | :41:36. | :41:44. | |
an unjust crusade, and yet another attack on Muslim countries, that in | :41:45. | :41:49. | |
itself, we know that groups like Isis have mastered the art of | :41:50. | :41:56. | |
communication and they can certainly use that as a propaganda tool, to | :41:57. | :42:04. | |
recruit vulnerable minds. Thank you for talking to us. This news is | :42:05. | :42:12. | |
coming into us. It is from a source in David Cameron's office. Britain | :42:13. | :42:18. | |
foiled the attack -- foiled an attack on the UK in the last month. | :42:19. | :42:29. | |
British authorities foiled an attack on the UK in the last month. That is | :42:30. | :42:35. | |
being reported by Reuters. We will bring more answers to that. We are | :42:36. | :42:42. | |
going to speak now to people living in France because it is not just a | :42:43. | :42:48. | |
global effort going on but also a network of collaborators. As that | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
recessed takes place some community leaders have said they fear a sinner | :42:53. | :42:58. | |
may -- they fear a lot of hatred coming towards French Muslims. | :42:59. | :43:05. | |
Letters park to a member of the foundation for ethnic understanding. | :43:06. | :43:08. | |
-- let us speak. Is a backlash inevitable against some Muslims | :43:09. | :43:17. | |
living in Paris? Thank you for your invitation. Yes, of course we are | :43:18. | :43:28. | |
fearing backlash. Honestly speaking, we have already witnessed some | :43:29. | :43:36. | |
rallies in the north of France against Muslims, we have seen masks | :43:37. | :43:40. | |
that have been tagged with racist slogans. -- mosques. At the same | :43:41. | :43:50. | |
time, we need to bring a new narrative into society, saying that | :43:51. | :43:54. | |
we have failed to answer the Charlie Hebdo attack, we have failed to | :43:55. | :44:00. | |
bring a long-term solution in terms of foreign policy, the mess the | :44:01. | :44:05. | |
conveyors, we need to bring back those issues to the table of | :44:06. | :44:14. | |
politicians and ask them, and demand some real solution on those topics. | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
What do you think of your President's response, to send more | :44:20. | :44:25. | |
French jets to drop bombs on Islamic State's stronghold in Raqqa? I wake | :44:26. | :44:31. | |
up this morning and I have seen this news and I was taken aback. Do we | :44:32. | :44:40. | |
really think sending weapons and bombing a city like Raqqa will solve | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
the issue? We know that the terrorist attack happened from | :44:45. | :44:49. | |
people who were born and raised in this country. I don't think bombing | :44:50. | :45:00. | |
Daesh is the solution, I don't think it is right to do that and not think | :45:01. | :45:05. | |
about the situation that happens because of President Assad. We need | :45:06. | :45:10. | |
to look at our foreign policy and see where we failed, because we | :45:11. | :45:12. | |
failed. Thank you for talking to us. This reported by Associated Press, | :45:13. | :45:24. | |
the latest on the attacks in Paris. A French official says the suspected | :45:25. | :45:31. | |
mastermind of the attacks was also linked to thwarted train and church | :45:32. | :45:38. | |
attacks, they have identified him as a Belgian man and they say he is | :45:39. | :45:44. | |
believed to be linked to various attacks on a Paris bound high-speed | :45:45. | :45:52. | |
train and Paris church. The official was not authorised to be publicly | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
identified. The suspected mastermind is a Belgian man. He is believed to | :45:58. | :46:09. | |
be linked to the watered attacks. At the moment, seven people are in | :46:10. | :46:13. | |
custody in Belgium suspected of links to the attacks. An | :46:14. | :46:18. | |
international arrest warrant has been issued for a Belgian born | :46:19. | :46:21. | |
Frenchman believed to be involved as well. | :46:22. | :46:34. | |
A lot of rain in the last 48 hours, with dramatic footage of rivers | :46:35. | :46:41. | |
breaking their banks, cars getting submerged and a lot of flooding | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
across northern areas. This picture is Yorkshire and the river cruise at | :46:46. | :46:50. | |
very high levels. The bad news is more wet and windy weather | :46:51. | :46:54. | |
throughout this week with more chance of flooding, but then | :46:55. | :46:57. | |
something colder with wintry showers later. That is a long way off so I | :46:58. | :47:02. | |
will go back to the here and now. Monday is breezy with severe gales | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
developing in northern Scotland through the afternoon. Wintry | :47:07. | :47:09. | |
showers over the Scottish mountaintops and rain to lower | :47:10. | :47:12. | |
levels. A cold things in the northern half of the country and | :47:13. | :47:18. | |
mild in the South. Wetter weather coming in too much of England and | :47:19. | :47:23. | |
Wales, including areas in the North that have already seen flooding. | :47:24. | :47:27. | |
That storm is bringing severe gales that slowly move away. Both weather | :47:28. | :47:31. | |
systems clear away, but then we say hello to the next area of low | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
pressure hurtling into south-western parts of the country throughout | :47:36. | :47:39. | |
Tuesday, bringing more wet and windy weather in areas where we do not | :47:40. | :47:43. | |
need any more rain. Temperatures on the mild side in the southern half | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
of the country but quite cool in the North with temperatures in single | :47:48. | :47:52. | |
figures. Into the middle part of the week, we see the next area of low | :47:53. | :47:55. | |
pressure moving in. This one has a sting in its tail, bringing gales to | :47:56. | :48:02. | |
northern parts of the UK. Then this next area of low pressure brings in | :48:03. | :48:06. | |
more wet and windy weather. Keep tuned to the weather forecast and | :48:07. | :48:09. | |
keep up to date on the flood weather warnings. | :48:10. | :48:14. | |
Thank you. Good morning. It is ten o'clock on Monday. I am Victoria | :48:15. | :48:19. | |
Derbyshire. Welcome to the programme | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
if you've just joined us.. Standing in solidarity - the whole | :48:24. | :48:25. | |
of Europe is set to fall silent in an hour's time as people across | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
the continent pause for a minute's silence to remember the victims | :48:30. | :48:32. | |
of the Paris terror attacks. I just turned round to see whether | :48:33. | :48:38. | |
sound came from and everybody was just dropping to the floor, row | :48:39. | :48:43. | |
after row, so we followed suit. I remember looking up from the floor | :48:44. | :48:46. | |
for just a second and seeing this guy walking around the edge of the | :48:47. | :48:53. | |
room with a rifle. Meanwhile, seven of the Paris attackers are | :48:54. | :48:56. | |
identified as the manhunt for an eighth continues. Police have | :48:57. | :49:01. | |
carried out 150 raids on suspected Islamist militants. Meanwhile France | :49:02. | :49:05. | |
retaliates for the attacks, carrying out a wave of air strikes on Raqqa | :49:06. | :49:10. | |
in Syria, the stronghold of the so-called Islamic State. In the UK, | :49:11. | :49:22. | |
it has been revealed that seven security attacks were foiled in the | :49:23. | :49:25. | |
last six months and one in the last month. Good morning. The main news | :49:26. | :49:34. | |
so far this morning: A manhunt is under way for one of the key suspect | :49:35. | :49:38. | |
in the Paris terror attacks, in which 129 people were killed. | :49:39. | :49:47. | |
Police are searching for 26-year-old seller Abdul and -- Salah Abdeslam. | :49:48. | :50:00. | |
He was born in France. Police are also searching for Omar Mostefai, | :50:01. | :50:09. | |
who broke bail in 2013, and Ahmad Al Mohammad, whose Syrian passport was | :50:10. | :50:12. | |
found next to his body. The mastermind of the attacks has been | :50:13. | :50:16. | |
identified as a Belgian man called Abdul Hamid Abood. French police | :50:17. | :50:21. | |
have carried out 150 raids across the country since Friday night. | :50:22. | :50:25. | |
Several people have been arrested and weapons seized. The French Prime | :50:26. | :50:28. | |
Minister Manuel Valls says the attacks were planned from Syria and | :50:29. | :50:34. | |
more were being prepared. We know that operations were being prepared | :50:35. | :50:38. | |
and are still being prepared, not only against France, but other | :50:39. | :50:43. | |
European countries as well. Islamic State issued a statement on Saturday | :50:44. | :50:47. | |
in which they claimed responsibility for the attacks, and it stated | :50:48. | :50:52. | |
clearly that these countries were its possible targets. France has hit | :50:53. | :50:56. | |
back against the Islamic State militant group in response to the | :50:57. | :50:59. | |
attacks, launching air strikes in their stronghold of the Syrian city | :51:00. | :51:10. | |
of Raqqa. 20 bombs were dropped overnight targeting munitions depots | :51:11. | :51:13. | |
and a training camp. It has emerged that Britain prevented a tax on the | :51:14. | :51:21. | |
UK last month, following knowledge that more money will be made | :51:22. | :51:27. | |
available for MI5, MI6 and GCHQ. David Cameron said 1900 officers | :51:28. | :51:30. | |
would be involved in what he called a generational struggle against | :51:31. | :51:37. | |
extremism. He also told the Today programme that we should continue | :51:38. | :51:43. | |
considering air strikes in Syria. I support air strikes in Syria and we | :51:44. | :51:46. | |
are part of the enablers of that. The question is whether we should go | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
further and support the action. I think we should. Isil do not | :51:52. | :51:54. | |
recognise a border between Iraq and Syria and neither should we but I | :51:55. | :51:57. | |
need to build the argument, take it to Parliament and convince more | :51:58. | :52:01. | |
people. We will not hold that vote unless we can see that Parliament | :52:02. | :52:03. | |
would endorse that action. A 16-year-old has been arrested | :52:04. | :52:08. | |
on suspicion of attempted murder after a police officer was attacked | :52:09. | :52:11. | |
in East London. The officer was stabbed | :52:12. | :52:13. | |
in the stomach while responding to reports of anti-social behaviour | :52:14. | :52:15. | |
in Tower Hamlets. Scotland Yard said the constable is | :52:16. | :52:17. | |
in a serious but stable condition. Around 60 flood warnings remain | :52:18. | :52:20. | |
in place across Britain this morning, but the most serious risk | :52:21. | :52:22. | |
is believed to have passed. Torrential rain over the weekend has | :52:23. | :52:25. | |
caused flooding in parts of Cumbria, The French national team travel to | :52:26. | :52:28. | |
England today after turning down an offer to withdraw from | :52:29. | :52:38. | |
tomorrow's friendly at Wembley, Like many sports stadiums | :52:39. | :52:41. | |
around the world, the Wembley arch will be lit up | :52:42. | :52:43. | |
in the colours of the French flag. Mercedes driver Nico Rosberg beat | :52:44. | :52:50. | |
his team mate Lewis Hamilton for the second time in a row, | :52:51. | :52:53. | |
winning the Brazilian Grand Prix. Rosberg started on pole, | :52:54. | :52:57. | |
led at the first corner, Hamilton sealed the Championship | :52:58. | :53:00. | |
title last month. Andy Murray begins his ATP World | :53:01. | :53:07. | |
Finals campaign later today. Murray hasn't had the ideal | :53:08. | :53:10. | |
preparation for this event. The world number two is also looking | :53:11. | :53:18. | |
ahead to the Davis Cup final against Belgium | :53:19. | :53:22. | |
and faced the challenge of having to That is all the sport for now. Thank | :53:23. | :53:35. | |
you. The French Interior Minister has just begun a press conference in | :53:36. | :53:40. | |
France. They present a threat against our country. I have | :53:41. | :53:55. | |
announced that six French citizens have been identified. 34 were | :53:56. | :54:02. | |
prevented from leaving the country. And including the imam is, the | :54:03. | :54:10. | |
preachers of hate. For months now, the services of the Interior | :54:11. | :54:13. | |
Ministry have gathered the necessary means and measures in the cultural | :54:14. | :54:22. | |
centres and also locations of face to prevent this. The procedure is | :54:23. | :54:31. | |
under way and will be examined by the Council of ministers, these | :54:32. | :54:39. | |
measures. The judicial framework, the state of emergency, will allow | :54:40. | :54:46. | |
us to amplify this work in the long term, to prevent attacks and protect | :54:47. | :54:55. | |
French citizens. I have an exceptional mobilisation within the | :54:56. | :55:04. | |
scope of emergency measures so that we carry out a search of households | :55:05. | :55:14. | |
and homes. Over the past 48 hours, 100 targets have been identified. | :55:15. | :55:20. | |
Individuals have been identified since last night. The police and | :55:21. | :55:26. | |
gender armoury are working in coordination with territorial | :55:27. | :55:33. | |
services and have carried out 68 searches of individual houses and | :55:34. | :55:41. | |
suspects following accusations. This will speed up and this is important | :55:42. | :55:49. | |
and essential our investigations over the radicalised objectives and | :55:50. | :56:04. | |
also to give us the information. The state of emergency has been applied. | :56:05. | :56:15. | |
The searches were into loos, Leon -- Toulouse, Lyon and throughout | :56:16. | :56:20. | |
France. Not a single area will be left alone within the maximum alert | :56:21. | :56:27. | |
where the forces of the law are mobilised within my authority. I | :56:28. | :56:35. | |
would like to give the first 24 individuals that have been detained. | :56:36. | :56:54. | |
18 drugs and stupefying drugs have been found. We have also found | :56:55. | :56:58. | |
telecommunication means that would have been used. For example an | :56:59. | :57:05. | |
object has been identified that would have been used for the | :57:06. | :57:12. | |
trafficking of arms and drugs. We have managed to find a Kalashnikov, | :57:13. | :57:18. | |
three automatic pistols, and an anti-bullet fest. Under the | :57:19. | :57:27. | |
direction of the Republic's prosecutor and judiciary, we have | :57:28. | :57:33. | |
orders to search the household of a number of people. We found a number | :57:34. | :57:38. | |
of automatic pistols and military uniforms and rocket launchers. The | :57:39. | :57:45. | |
judiciary police is carrying out its investigation as we speak. As you | :57:46. | :57:58. | |
know, there could be a connection, a link with terrorists. Everything | :57:59. | :58:03. | |
gathered last night will be studied with regard to a terrorist link. | :58:04. | :58:08. | |
This is just the beginning. These actions will continue. The reply of | :58:09. | :58:19. | |
the Republic will be solid and total. Those who want to hurt the | :58:20. | :58:25. | |
Republic, they will be attacked. They will be dealt with, and those | :58:26. | :58:32. | |
who help them, therefore as the Prime Minister has reminded us this | :58:33. | :58:38. | |
morning, we are applying all investigation means to dispel the | :58:39. | :58:46. | |
radical Imams who dispel hatred and putting them under house arrest. | :58:47. | :58:56. | |
They have been targeted. Ladies and gentlemen, this terrorist barbarism | :58:57. | :59:01. | |
has opened a war against us. There are no other options except one and | :59:02. | :59:04. | |
this is the one the French have adopted. And the French Government | :59:05. | :59:16. | |
is applying a response from the Republic against those who wish to | :59:17. | :59:20. | |
destroy us. The terrorists will never destroy the Republic because | :59:21. | :59:22. | |
the Republic will destroy them. Thank you. That was the French | :59:23. | :59:31. | |
Interior Minister. Various details about the identities of the suicide | :59:32. | :59:36. | |
bombers. He talked about 68 searches of suspects' houses across France. | :59:37. | :59:41. | |
Weapons and ammunition that have been seized including pistols and | :59:42. | :59:46. | |
rocket launchers. Here, Downing Street sources are saying that | :59:47. | :59:49. | |
security services prevented one attack in the UK in the last month | :59:50. | :59:53. | |
and earlier today the Prime Minister said that seven attacks were | :59:54. | :59:56. | |
prevented in Britain in the last six months. Frank Gardner, our security | :59:57. | :00:01. | |
correspondent, is here. Would that be pretty typical for what has been | :00:02. | :00:06. | |
thwarted? Well, the number of attacks they are thwarting is far | :00:07. | :00:09. | |
higher this year than it has been in the past. It is right back to the | :00:10. | :00:21. | |
intense period around 2005 and 2006 and possibly worse. They are resting | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
one person on average every day on suspicion of terrorism offences, | :00:25. | :00:26. | |
which is really alarming. The pace of the arrests, the pace of the | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
threat, it is unprecedented. The scale of the thwarted attacks that | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
David Cameron referred to there is tiny compared to what has happened | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
in Paris. They would still be damaging. If those attacks had gone | :00:41. | :00:44. | |
through, I am sure it would have been very bad for anybody involved, | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
but they are not on the scale of Paris. Nothing that we have seen | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
here, apart from 7/7, is on quite that scale. There was the liquid | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
bomb plot, which was huge, but these are relatively minor. I think that | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
the intelligence agencies in Britain and probably in other countries have | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
probably lulled themselves into the idea that the most likely threat | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
will come from lone operators, people like the people that attacked | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
Lee Rigby in the streets of wallets, who will be radicalised, yes, but | :01:16. | :01:20. | |
not predicting on a watch list and will suddenly be spurred into | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
action. But we have seen from Paris that this was carefully planned and | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
coordinated and almost certainly directed from Raqqa in Syria, so | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
that is back to the Al-Qaeda model of a centralised direction, sending | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
out teams from overseas, the Middle East, the wider Middle East. | :01:38. | :01:51. | |
The government has announced they are increasing the manpower of the | :01:52. | :01:58. | |
intelligence agencies, that is GCHQ, MI5, MI6, by 15%. 1900 new | :01:59. | :02:07. | |
intelligence and security officers are going to be added. A huge part | :02:08. | :02:16. | |
of the challenge is to break these in critical applications, break into | :02:17. | :02:23. | |
them, if they can communicate with each other, they cannot be detected. | :02:24. | :02:38. | |
The challenge for any government is to make sure those powers are not | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
abused, if they get the bill through, it is very important they | :02:43. | :02:54. | |
are not abused by councils, snooping on people where they live, seeing if | :02:55. | :02:56. | |
they are putting out their rubbish on time and things like that. The | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
thing it does not address is community policing, that is quite | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
dangerous because one of the big success stories is that communities, | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
not necessarily Muslim communities, have been very good at feeding up | :03:10. | :03:18. | |
information if they think they are concerned about somebody being | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
radicalised, leaving a bag unattended, that is a really ported | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
part of intelligence gathering. There is a limit to how much you can | :03:27. | :03:37. | |
intercept traditional intelligence gathering, a lot of it is the public | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
being public spirited. If you reduce community policing there is a risk | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
you will lose those eyes and ears on the ground. Can I ask you one final | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
question about weapons and ammunition and the kind of things | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
that were used in Paris, where they are coming from and why it is so | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
easy to get them across, and is it possible that kind of weaponry could | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
end up in Britain? It is not impossible, Britain has been speared | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
the kind of big marauding terrorist attacks we have seen in Paris twice | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
this year. That is partly because it has tighter border controls, we are | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
not part of the agreement which allows free passage of people across | :04:21. | :04:30. | |
borders without checks. The weapons come from the Balkans. It is very | :04:31. | :04:43. | |
easy for them to cross borders in the EU. The Germans got lucky, they | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
stopped the car where the boot was full of AK-47s. Unfortunately they | :04:49. | :04:57. | |
did not think to inform the rest of Europe, even though this person had | :04:58. | :05:07. | |
Paris in his Saturn Avenue. Who knows if that would have thought of | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
them. -- in his GPS navigation device. Weapons like this appear in | :05:13. | :05:22. | |
all these attacks, they have not so far appeared on the streets of | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
Britain. But we are not immune to it. There was the IRA connection a | :05:28. | :05:38. | |
long time ago. But nobody is being complacent about this. What do we | :05:39. | :05:52. | |
know about the identity of the men who carried out the attacks? Seven | :05:53. | :06:03. | |
have been named. One is Salah Abdeslam, he was spoken to by police | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
hours after the attacks and is thought to have rented a car. Two | :06:08. | :06:17. | |
other suspects are his brothers. One of them blew himself up near the | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
Bataclan. A third brother is reported to have been arrested by | :06:24. | :06:25. | |
police in Belgium. Another has been named as the | :06:26. | :06:39. | |
attacker who died at the stag do France. | :06:40. | :06:45. | |
A Syrian passport was found near his body. Then there is a 28-year-old | :06:46. | :06:51. | |
from near Paris, also thought to have died, blowing himself up at the | :06:52. | :07:01. | |
Bataclan. He was charged in 2012 over claims that he planned to | :07:02. | :07:08. | |
travel to Yemen. He was going to be placed under judicial supervision | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
and then dropped off the radar. Our correspondent is in the centre of | :07:14. | :07:29. | |
Paris. We are here at the Place de la Republique, the place where | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
people came in January to express their defiance. They have come back | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
here after the killings, they have lit candles and left flowers, | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
leaving messages saying that France and the French values of democracy | :07:42. | :07:44. | |
and liberty will not be beaten by terrorist attacks like the one we | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
saw on Friday night. The death toll currently stands at 129. This is | :07:49. | :07:56. | |
still very much a city on edge. Very tense, very nervous. Last night | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
people heard rumours that shots had been fired. It was a false alarm. | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
People were running for their lives and taking cover under tables in | :08:06. | :08:12. | |
cafes, to give a sense of panic in this city. I am joined by senior | :08:13. | :08:30. | |
French politicians to discuss the aftermath of these killings. Thank | :08:31. | :08:42. | |
you to both of you. What are your thoughts in the wake of these | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
terrible attacks that have left so many dead in this beautiful city? | :08:49. | :08:56. | |
They are terrifying attacks. It is the most violent attack we have had | :08:57. | :09:04. | |
in our country since the Second World War. It was a very coordinated | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
action. We need to think about how we can resist this new type of | :09:09. | :09:15. | |
terrorism. Even though we're used these kind of attacks, I must say. | :09:16. | :09:26. | |
Francois Hollande said this is a war against terrorism, do you agree with | :09:27. | :09:40. | |
that? In January we had a very big attack, but it is the first time it | :09:41. | :09:47. | |
was so bad, and I think you need to think differently in France, to | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
fight this. You need to think differently in the Europe, we need | :09:53. | :10:01. | |
to have something different because now the problem comes from Syria and | :10:02. | :10:12. | |
Iraq, and you need to have Europe fighting these people who come here | :10:13. | :10:20. | |
to kill us. You need to fight this. You need to have the same thinking, | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
the same solidarity between Europe, Russia and America. Some people have | :10:27. | :10:34. | |
asked questions about the French intelligence services, one of the | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
suicide bombers was known to them. Have there been failure is | :10:40. | :10:48. | |
questionable I would not say that, we had discussed about the | :10:49. | :10:57. | |
coordination of security services. We have discussed having a modern | :10:58. | :11:07. | |
security service. We need to analyse, get back to Parliament and | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
discuss together how we can find out different solutions because the next | :11:14. | :11:23. | |
attacks might be different, everything is flexible, we need to | :11:24. | :11:36. | |
react in that way, to get security services to adapt. Do you think | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
there will be more attacks? I do not know, we are engaged in a war | :11:42. | :11:47. | |
against Islamic State in Syria, foreign policy, we need to think | :11:48. | :11:55. | |
about how we can react in the Middle East, how we can get together, | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
otherwise every state can close its borders. Do you think there could be | :12:02. | :12:16. | |
more attacks? Yes, everything is possible, I think it is possible, | :12:17. | :12:26. | |
you can never say, it is something for a long time, because a big | :12:27. | :12:32. | |
problem in the world, it is very difficult for us to say but I think | :12:33. | :12:35. | |
we could have more attacks. Many thanks to both of you. There will be | :12:36. | :12:44. | |
a minute's silence in France and across Europe later today to | :12:45. | :12:51. | |
remember the dead, and Francois Hollande will be addressing a joint | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
session at both houses of the French parliament later. The Prime | :12:56. | :13:02. | |
Minister, David Cameron, who is at the Jeep 20 summit, has told a press | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
conference the summit had agreed important steps to cut off terrorist | :13:08. | :13:13. | |
financing and counter extremist ideologies. He told a press | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
conference the summit has collectively agreed important | :13:19. | :13:30. | |
steps. Raids are taking place at locations across France. The Prime | :13:31. | :13:41. | |
Minister said the authorities were using a state of emergency to | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
question people who were part of the radical jihadists movement. Our | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
reporter has the latest. They were just randomly shooting | :13:50. | :13:56. | |
first in the dark. We were quite close to the stage, | :13:57. | :14:09. | |
just dancing. We heard a bang, there was shouting and screaming, firing | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
indiscriminately into the crowd. A random massacre, it lasted a | :14:16. | :14:18. | |
lifetime, and eternity. It was probably an hour. As Paris comes to | :14:19. | :14:25. | |
terms with the worst terror attack since the Second World War, the | :14:26. | :14:28. | |
investigation into what happened on Friday appears to be moving quickly. | :14:29. | :14:34. | |
In the north of the city, at the stadium, reports that at least one | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
of the suicide bombers had a ticket to the game and try to get inside | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
before being challenged by security. It was here that police found a | :14:41. | :14:53. | |
Syrian passport near the body of one of the attackers. Officials have | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
confirmed it was used to travel the migrant routes through Greece. No | :14:58. | :15:04. | |
direct link has been made with the attack and at this stage there is | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
the possibility it was planted, forged, or stolen. Around the time | :15:10. | :15:19. | |
of the attack, there was six strikes in and around the east of Paris. | :15:20. | :15:26. | |
There was a firecracker, it went on and then it got louder. | :15:27. | :15:39. | |
Also -- on Sunday the focus was on this black car, used as a getaway | :15:40. | :15:46. | |
vehicle. The police found abandoned in the outskirts of the city with an | :15:47. | :15:53. | |
initial the back-seat. It was in the Bataclan concert venue there was the | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
greatest loss of life. More than 80 are confirmed dead there with dozens | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
more in a serious condition. New footage emerged of the moment | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
shooting broke out as the band played. A second car used in this | :16:07. | :16:15. | |
attack has been traced to this man, Salah Abdeslam, one of three | :16:16. | :16:21. | |
brothers suspected of being involved in the attacks. A manhunt is under | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
way for the 26-year-old, who was reportedly stopped by police, | :16:26. | :16:31. | |
driving in a car north to the Belgian border. The international | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
connection appears to be key. Police made a series of arrests over the | :16:38. | :16:46. | |
weekend in Brussels. They detained several men including the older | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
brother of Salah Abdeslam. The names of the attackers are slowly being | :16:53. | :16:54. | |
released, including another man from that same family. He blew himself up | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
in a bar. Another 150 police raids have taken | :16:59. | :17:14. | |
place on militant targets across France this morning in cities from | :17:15. | :17:25. | |
Paris to Grenoble to Toulouse. But in Paris last night it was about the | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
victims rather than the perpetrators. | :17:29. | :17:35. | |
Still to come, as the UK be supped security, we will speak to a | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
counterterror advisor. A manhunt is under way for one | :17:42. | :17:55. | |
of the key suspects of the Paris terror attacks in | :17:56. | :17:58. | |
which 129 people were killed. Police are searching | :17:59. | :18:01. | |
for Brussels-born 26-year-old It's emerged that he was questioned | :18:02. | :18:04. | |
in the hours afterwards Two more of the attackers have | :18:05. | :18:07. | |
been named this morning. One was Samy Amimour, | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
he was born in France, and the authorities were already | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
looking for him after he broke bail in 2013 on terror-related charges, | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
and Ahmad Al Mohammad, a Syrian French police have carried out more | :18:21. | :18:23. | |
than 150 raids across They seized what they described as | :18:24. | :18:39. | |
an arsenal of weapons including a rocket launcher. | :18:40. | :18:41. | |
24 people have been detained and 38 weapons have been seized. | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
In the last few minutes the French Interior Minister gave | :18:47. | :18:48. | |
We found a number of military uniforms and rocket launchers. | :18:49. | :18:59. | |
France has hit back against the Islamic State militant | :19:00. | :19:02. | |
group in response to the Paris attacks, launching air strikes | :19:03. | :19:04. | |
against their stronghold in the Syrian city of Raqqa. | :19:05. | :19:06. | |
The defence ministry said 20 bombs were dropped in the raid overnight | :19:07. | :19:09. | |
hitting targets including a command centre, a munitions depot | :19:10. | :19:11. | |
Islamic State have claimed there were no casualties as a result of | :19:12. | :19:19. | |
the strikes. It's emerged that Britain prevented | :19:20. | :19:22. | |
an attack on the UK last month, It comes as more money is to be | :19:23. | :19:24. | |
made available for the security David Cameron says | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
an extra 1900 officers would help in what he called a generational | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
struggle against extremism. The Prime Minister also told | :19:33. | :19:34. | |
the Today programme that Britain should consider also joining air | :19:35. | :19:36. | |
strikes on Syria. I support the action in Syria. We | :19:37. | :19:49. | |
are part of the enablers for that. It is happening anyway. The question | :19:50. | :19:53. | |
is whether we should go further and join that action. I have always said | :19:54. | :19:56. | |
that I think it is sensible that we should. Isil do not recognise a | :19:57. | :20:04. | |
border between Iraq and Syria and neither should we but I need to | :20:05. | :20:07. | |
build the argument, take it to Parliament and convince more | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
people. We won't hold that vote unless we can see that Parliament | :20:12. | :20:13. | |
would endorse more action. A 16-year-old has been arrested | :20:14. | :20:16. | |
on suspicion of attempted murder after a police officer was attacked | :20:17. | :20:18. | |
in East London. The officer was stabbed | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
in the stomach while responding to reports of anti-social behaviour | :20:22. | :20:23. | |
in Tower Hamlets. Scotland Yard said the constable is | :20:24. | :20:25. | |
in a serious but stable condition. Around 60 flood warnings remain | :20:26. | :20:28. | |
in place across Britain this morning, but the most serious risk | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
is believed to have passed. Torrential rain over the weekend has | :20:34. | :20:35. | |
caused flooding in parts of Cumbria, The French national team travel to | :20:36. | :20:38. | |
England today after turning down an offer to withdraw from | :20:39. | :20:49. | |
tomorrow's friendly at Wembley, Like many sports stadiums | :20:50. | :20:51. | |
around the world, the Wembley arch will be lit up | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
in the colours of the French flag. Mercedes driver Nico Rosberg beat | :20:56. | :20:58. | |
his team mate Lewis Hamilton for the second time in a row, | :20:59. | :21:04. | |
winning the Brazilian Grand Prix. That secures Nico Rosberg's second | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
place in the drivers championship. Andy Murray begins his ATP World | :21:11. | :21:17. | |
Finals campaign later today. Murray hasn't had the ideal | :21:18. | :21:20. | |
preparation for this event. The world number two is also looking | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
ahead to the Davis Cup final against Belgium | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
and faced the challenge of having to That is all the sport. Stories of | :21:28. | :21:42. | |
people who managed to survive the attacks in Paris have emerged. We | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
are joined now by a woman from Perth who survived the Bataclan attack. | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
How are you? Shaky and jumpy but glad to be home. Tell us where you | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
were in that venue when you heard the shooting began. We were right at | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
the very front, to the left of the state, at the end of the barrier. | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
What did you think was happening when you first heard the sounds? I | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
knew it was gunfire, I knew we were under attack. Did you? I think a lot | :22:14. | :22:19. | |
of people thought it was part of the stage show, that it was fireworks. I | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
didn't feel like that. I knew it was a gun going off. What did you do? I | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
looked over and I saw bullets hitting the bottom of the stage. My | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
friend sort of smiled and looked like a lot of people were doing in | :22:36. | :22:47. | |
the confusion. Instantly there was a second blast of bullets. At this | :22:48. | :22:49. | |
point the band looked very confused. People started grasping and they | :22:50. | :22:51. | |
automatically ducked down. I said to Christine, that is gunfire, run, get | :22:52. | :22:57. | |
out of here, and we just ran. Where did you head to? We were about ten | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
feet away from the exit, and if we had gone left, that exit would have | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
taken us out into the street. We went right, into the backstage area, | :23:07. | :23:13. | |
which is a maze of different rooms. And you ended up where? First of all | :23:14. | :23:20. | |
we ran into this larger room. It looked like an equipment room. There | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
was a little alcove and we thought, if we get our shoes off, we can run | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
quicker. We had boots on and we were trying to get them off. We were in | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
this little alcove and there was another door. We tried it and it was | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
a door to a cupboard. There was another one we tried that was locked | :23:39. | :23:51. | |
and the third one we ran down a couple of stairs, we tried that door | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
and it opened and we ran in. It was the seller. We realised we were | :23:56. | :23:57. | |
trapped. Could you hear what was going on in the menu above you? Oh, | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
yes. It was just stampede and screaming and gunfire. You did not | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
know if you had got to a place of safety because you did not know | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
where the gunmen would go after that. No. Nothing felt safe at that | :24:10. | :24:15. | |
moment in time. We went to run back out of the room but it was silly to | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
stay in there, we were trapped, get out. As we went to run out, the door | :24:21. | :24:32. | |
swung open and two other guys came running in. We shouted no, and we | :24:33. | :24:34. | |
realised they were in the same situation as ours. They just shut | :24:35. | :24:37. | |
the door. The room had one of those automatic sensor lights that just | :24:38. | :24:40. | |
kept flickering on and off and we could not get it to go out. We | :24:41. | :24:44. | |
thought we were going to have to smash it with our shoes or | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
something. One of the Italian guys managed to get it off and we just | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
ran to the very back of the seller and we crammed ourselves into the | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
smallest space. We just waited in darkness. As you said, when that | :24:58. | :25:04. | |
door open and you either shouted or thought no, for that second you | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
thought potentially they were gunmen? Yes. Wow will stop -- wow. | :25:09. | :25:21. | |
And how long were you in that cellar for crouched against the back wall? | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
We did not get out until 1am. How did you know to get out? Did | :25:28. | :25:34. | |
somebody come and find you? We heard somebody speaking in English, are | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
you the police? Really the police? They confirmed they were. We don't | :25:39. | :25:42. | |
know where that person was hiding but it was close to us. Then the | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
Italian guys, who could speak very good French, told them that we were | :25:47. | :25:56. | |
there, please get this out, two men and two women. When you are merged, | :25:57. | :26:00. | |
could you see into the main gate area? No. They completely surrounded | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
us and told us not to look down and to keep looking forward and we did | :26:07. | :26:12. | |
not need to see anything. Obviously you do look down. We were shaking | :26:13. | :26:15. | |
and we were looking where our feet were going and there was just blood | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
everywhere. We knew that people were very injured very close to where we | :26:21. | :26:26. | |
had been hiding. How do you reflect on what happened and the fact that | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
you managed to escape? I feel a little bit guilty. You know... There | :26:32. | :26:38. | |
were only four of us in that room. There was another room on the other | :26:39. | :26:42. | |
side. It was similar to ours and there were 25 people crammed into it | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
and luckily they all managed to escape as well after two hours. | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
Worth their people out there that could have been in the room with us? | :26:52. | :26:57. | |
-- could there have been people out there? It is every man for himself | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
at that point. We had to be so quiet and we could not move. If anyone of | :27:03. | :27:05. | |
us had moved we were potentially getting four people killed. Yes. And | :27:06. | :27:13. | |
what do you think towards the men who did this? I mean, it is just the | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
most cowardly thing to do, to walk in and shoot people in the back. | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
That is what they did. They don't discriminate. There were people of | :27:24. | :27:29. | |
all religions in that building. All races, all having a good time, | :27:30. | :27:35. | |
uniting together in music. That is the last thing that you expect to | :27:36. | :27:41. | |
happen to you. Does it make you think any differently about the | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
weight you will... I think we are losing the connection but I will | :27:45. | :27:53. | |
allow -- plough on. Does it make you think differently about the way you | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
will live the rest of your life or is it too soon to think like that? | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
It will certainly make you conscious. I don't think you can | :28:04. | :28:06. | |
ever be as carefree again. We were walking down the street the other | :28:07. | :28:09. | |
day and a guy made a sudden hand movement and we jumped out of our | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
skin. It will take a while to get over loud noises. I have seen the | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
footage of when the gunfire opened, when it all started, and that | :28:19. | :28:32. | |
just... That scared me. I cast again, it was like reliving it. We | :28:33. | :28:35. | |
have to get back to being normal. I don't think anyone is safe again but | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
we can't have any fear. Thank you so much. I am really grateful for your | :28:39. | :28:44. | |
time. She said that you have to get on with things but for her she will | :28:45. | :28:51. | |
be less carefree. David Cameron has said today that he his prepared to | :28:52. | :28:57. | |
make compromises with Russia in order to defeat the so-called | :28:58. | :29:00. | |
Islamic State and find a political solution to the civil war in Syria. | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
He has been speaking on the radio for Today programme. Of course we | :29:06. | :29:11. | |
are using our military power in Iraqi, against Isil, and they have | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
lost about 25% of the territory that they held. We are also using our | :29:16. | :29:20. | |
hard military power to stop in their tracks the threats to this country, | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
and we did with Hussein and indeed helping the Americans with so-called | :29:25. | :29:31. | |
Jihadi John, who were all in Syria. On the issue of going further, I | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
support the action in Syria. We are part of the enablers for that. It is | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
happening anyway. The question is should we go further and join that | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
action? I have always said that I think it is sensible that we should. | :29:45. | :29:48. | |
Isil don't recognise a border between Iraq and Syria and neither | :29:49. | :29:53. | |
should we. I need to build the Osmond, take it to Parliament and | :29:54. | :29:58. | |
convince more people. We will not hold that vote unless we can see | :29:59. | :30:01. | |
that Parliament would endorse that action because to fail on this would | :30:02. | :30:06. | |
be damaging. It is not a question of damaging the Government. It is a | :30:07. | :30:09. | |
question of damaging our country and its position in the world. I will | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
build the case but in the end Parliament must decide. David | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
Cameron is meeting President Putin at the G20 summit in Turkey today. | :30:19. | :30:22. | |
In the last few moments he has told a press conference that they have | :30:23. | :30:29. | |
agreed important steps to cut off terrorist financing and counter | :30:30. | :30:36. | |
extremism ideologies. We will hear more from that press conference on | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
BBC News. MI5 and MI6 and GCHQ will also get more funding to recruit | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
nearly 2000 extra officers. David Cameron has urged President Putin to | :30:47. | :30:54. | |
work with the international community in Syria. Let's talk to | :30:55. | :30:58. | |
Liam Fox, former defence secretary, who wants Britain to take part in | :30:59. | :31:03. | |
air strikes against Syria. Also with me is Yasmin Qureshi, who believes | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
air strikes are not necessarily the answer. We also have two security | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
experts, Chris Phillips from a police unit that supports the | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
counterterrorism strategy of the Government, and Simon Trundle, a | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
terrorism advisor. Welcome to all of you. | :31:21. | :31:26. | |
Is Britain at War with Islamic State? I have been reticent about | :31:27. | :31:35. | |
this term, war on terror, because it is suggesting it is finite and it | :31:36. | :31:38. | |
suggests you can win a war on terror. I described in my book that | :31:39. | :31:46. | |
we lived with the fear of the IRA, resort bombings, we saw what | :31:47. | :31:53. | |
happened in Hyde Park, these are not new in terms of a particular | :31:54. | :31:56. | |
phenomenon on, but what we are seeing is a different way it is | :31:57. | :32:09. | |
being perpetrated. You are correct, Britain should have been involved in | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
the air strikes, if they are a threat to the United Kingdom, and we | :32:15. | :32:20. | |
have a way to degrade that threat, we should be taking it. And | :32:21. | :32:28. | |
alongside that, parallel, diplomatic strategy that there is the | :32:29. | :32:31. | |
information space, that is to do with the idle logical -- ideological | :32:32. | :32:37. | |
battle, dealing with that side of things, then there is the physical | :32:38. | :32:44. | |
battle space, and I think there will be a growing question as to whether | :32:45. | :32:51. | |
the international coalition is working. They do have a territory | :32:52. | :32:57. | |
they are operating from that needs to be denied to them. Bearing in | :32:58. | :33:04. | |
mind what we've seen at the weekend, why are you still against air | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
strikes against Islamic State in Syria? At the Foreign Affairs Select | :33:10. | :33:16. | |
Committee we had an enquiry into this and we published a report. | :33:17. | :33:22. | |
Talking to the experts on the ground and people who know what is | :33:23. | :33:29. | |
happening in Syria and Iraq, for months we have been doing strikes, | :33:30. | :33:39. | |
bombing in Iraq and Syria. Britain has not been bombing Syria. I don't | :33:40. | :33:51. | |
have a problem with bombing the people who carry out these actions | :33:52. | :33:57. | |
but the question is what we will achieve at the end of it. We have | :33:58. | :34:08. | |
been bombing for months on end. But Isis is becoming stronger and one of | :34:09. | :34:14. | |
the reasons is because President Assad needs to be dealt with as | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
well, he is barrel bombing, he is killing, most of the people fleeing | :34:20. | :34:27. | |
from Syria are fleeing from President Assad. Until we deal with | :34:28. | :34:33. | |
him, and we come with a proper solution. Some are suggesting air | :34:34. | :34:49. | |
strikes as a panacea. It is not. A lot of people need to concentrate | :34:50. | :35:05. | |
their minds on this. You need to stop people joining them and stop | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
giving them a lot of publicity and allowing them to go on the Internet | :35:10. | :35:14. | |
and put out horrific things that they are doing which is trying to | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
frighten people. Nearly 2000 security and intelligence jobs | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
created. How much difference will that make? I feel guilty about | :35:25. | :35:31. | |
putting a negative to positive because it is a good thing, but | :35:32. | :35:37. | |
three years ago we had them in place and the security services have | :35:38. | :35:41. | |
reduced the number of people. Back up to the capacity we had? We need | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
to be careful about knee jerk reactions. We need these people all | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
the time. Not just after an attack. It takes time to train these people | :35:52. | :35:54. | |
and get them in a position where they can do their job properly. How | :35:55. | :35:59. | |
prepared is the UK for Paris style attack? A lot of work has been done | :36:00. | :36:08. | |
by the security services in preparation for this attack. It is | :36:09. | :36:12. | |
dependent on intelligence. Hopefully you detect the attack before it | :36:13. | :36:16. | |
takes place you can respond after the attack by rounding up | :36:17. | :36:23. | |
supporters. You will never be prepared for every attack. They will | :36:24. | :36:28. | |
have some success in terms of terrorism like Paris because it is a | :36:29. | :36:33. | |
very low technology attack. It is men with weapons prodding through | :36:34. | :36:40. | |
the streets. You cannot respond quick enough. What should citizens | :36:41. | :36:47. | |
do if they find themselves in that scenario? If you hear something | :36:48. | :36:55. | |
unusual, move away as quickly as possible. I'm advising people. If an | :36:56. | :37:12. | |
attack starts off, close down your own entrance, so they are no longer | :37:13. | :37:21. | |
a target. In terms of the French bombing, they destroyed a training | :37:22. | :37:31. | |
camp and the munitions base, should Britain be joining in? I think we | :37:32. | :37:37. | |
should show solidarity and join in, it is absurd that we are attacking | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
them on one side of a nonexistent border but not on the other side. I | :37:42. | :37:48. | |
think it is part of how we deal with them. Would make Britain more of a | :37:49. | :37:54. | |
terrorist target? This is the mistake people make, these people | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
hate us because of who we are, not because of what we do. What they | :37:59. | :38:04. | |
said about France is, because of the intervention in Syria, that was a | :38:05. | :38:12. | |
target. What about places that have been targets before? This sort of | :38:13. | :38:19. | |
justification does not watch. These people have a very vicious ideology | :38:20. | :38:26. | |
that is married to a religious fundamentalism and we must not allow | :38:27. | :38:31. | |
the excuse to be made that it is our fault. You disagree? I agree with | :38:32. | :38:39. | |
the fact it is not a justification, but I think it is a very simple | :38:40. | :38:43. | |
thing to say that it is because they hate our way of life. Whenever these | :38:44. | :38:53. | |
things happen, whether in London or Paris, these people always say, they | :38:54. | :39:07. | |
give their explanation, if you think about all this terrorism that has | :39:08. | :39:12. | |
been happening in the last number of years in the Middle East, most of | :39:13. | :39:16. | |
the people who have died have been Muslim people. Hundreds and | :39:17. | :39:19. | |
thousands of them have died. The issue here is, they say it is our | :39:20. | :39:32. | |
intervention. The bombers of the London Underground were | :39:33. | :39:33. | |
third-generation British. It was not someone else's country. We need to | :39:34. | :39:40. | |
understand why jihadists are jihadists. They hate our values, our | :39:41. | :39:47. | |
history, who we are as a country. They are using a perverse form of | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
Islam to justify this and it has happened before in interventions. | :39:52. | :39:57. | |
September the 11th in New York happened before there was any | :39:58. | :40:04. | |
American intervention. We must understand and not make excuses. I | :40:05. | :40:12. | |
want to bring viewers this breaking news being reported by Reuters, | :40:13. | :40:15. | |
Belgian police have arrested the wanted suspect, Salah Abdeslam. This | :40:16. | :40:23. | |
is the French national who was actually stopped and questioned | :40:24. | :40:27. | |
after the attacks on Friday night, but the French police stopped him on | :40:28. | :40:39. | |
the border and let him go. Thank you for coming on the programme, all of | :40:40. | :40:50. | |
you. Surely these pictures of people gathering to observe a minute's | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
silence to honour the victims of the attacks. | :40:56. | :41:00. | |
Francois Hollande will lead the tributes in France in recognition of | :41:01. | :41:10. | |
the many who lost their lives. People gathering across France to | :41:11. | :41:18. | |
pay tribute and these images show you the Place de la Republique, the | :41:19. | :41:33. | |
main gathering point. This is the silence in London. | :41:34. | :41:57. | |
The Minister would like to thank you for your solidarity and solidarity | :41:58. | :42:05. | |
of the British government is very important. That is the French | :42:06. | :42:12. | |
embassy. In Trafalgar Square people are beginning to gather as well. | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
Floral tributes have been laid as you can see. Bringing you that use | :42:17. | :42:29. | |
again, being reported that Belgian police have arrested the wanted | :42:30. | :42:38. | |
suspect, Salah Abdeslam. Back to Ben Brown in Paris. | :42:39. | :42:45. |