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Hello it's Monday, it's 9.15, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

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Shock, anger and fear in France as the country tries to rationalise why

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it was hit again by terrorist attacks. A manhunt is under way.

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Police have carried out more than 150 raids on addresses across the

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country. France has also sent jets to bomb Raqqa in Syria. Plus,

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massive investment in UK security amid fears the same could happen in

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Britain. We will do everything we can to make sure we keep our people

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safe but we live in a very dangerous world.

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Raids are taking place across France this morning in search of surviving

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members and accomplices of the group behind the Paris attacks.

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So far, 129 people are known to have died.

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Here are pictures of just 9 of them - as well as many Parisians,

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they included people from Britain, America, Belgium and Mexico -

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tourists, students, fashion designers, merchandise sellers,

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lawyers, mothers, fathers, husbands, wives, sons, daughters -

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all killed in 193 minutes of terror across the French capital.

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36-year-old Nick Alexander was from Essex - he was selling merchandise

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His family say he was "everyone's best friend" and died

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His girlfriend Polina Buckley spoke to reporters.

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How would you like people to remember him? He was the greatest

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person in the world. In the past couple of minutes, two

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more of the suicide bombers have been identified. Passport showed one

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of them was 25 years of age. One of the attackers at the Bataclan was

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28. An eighth man is on the run. The French Prime Minister Manuel

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Valls has revealed they believe new terror attacks are being planned

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in France and in other European countries following the carnage

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in Paris. In an interview this morning he

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also said the French intelligence services had prevented several

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attacks since the summer. He said the attacks were planned and

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organised from Syria. We know that operations were being prepared, not

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only against France but other European countries as well. Islamic

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State issued a statement, stating clearly these countries were

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possible targets. It's emerged that a suspect -

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who's on the run - was spoken to by French police hours after

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the killings, and then released. Salah Abdeslam, who's 26, is thought

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to have rented a car in Belgium that was found near the Bataclan theatre,

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where 89 people were murdered. Raids have been carried out

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in various locations across France, Our reporter Jim Reed has

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the latest. We were quite close to the stage,

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just dancing. People were screaming, shouting and screaming. Firing

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indiscriminately into the crowd. It lasted an eternity, it was probably

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an hour. As Paris comes to terms with the worst terror attack since

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the Second World War, the investigation is moving quickly.

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Reports that at least one of the suicide bombers had a ticket to the

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game and tried to get inside before being challenged by security.

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It was here that police found the Syrian passport near the body of one

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of the attackers. Officials have said it was used to travel the

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migrant route but no direct link has been made with the attack and at

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this stage there is the possibility it was planted, forged or stolen.

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Around the time of the stadium attack, gunman struck at six

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different locations in the east of Paris. Most of them were cafes and

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restaurants. I thought it was a firecracker then it got louder.

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There was a pile of bodies on the left-hand side, about four that had

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been sitting at the tables on the right-hand side. On Sunday the focus

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was on this car, suspected to have been used as a getaway vehicle.

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French media said police found abandoned in the outskirts of the

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city with three rounds of ammunition and assault rifles. It was in the

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Bataclan concert venue that there was the greatest loss of life. ATI

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confirmed dead with dozens more in a serious condition. New footage

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emerged of the moment shooting broke out. A second car has been traced to

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this man, one of three brothers suspected of being involved in the

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attacks. A manhunt is under way for the 26-year-old, reportedly stopped

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by police shortly after the attacks driving in another car North to the

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Belgian border, but he was let go. The international connection now

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appears to be key. Police made a series of arrests in Brussels,

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detaining several men including the older brother of Salah Abdeslam. The

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names of the other attackers are starting to be released. This

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brother from the same family blew themselves up outside this bar.

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In Paris last night it was about the victims far more than the

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perpetrators. Funerals will take place in the coming days. 129 are

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now confirmed the dead from at least 13 different countries. More than

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300 have been injured, many very seriously.

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The Paris prosecutor is seeing one of the suicide bombers was a French

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national, born in a presumed suburb, and was known to French

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anti-terrorist police and had been known since 2012, and had been the

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subject of an international arrest warrant since 2013. A little bit

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more about another of the suicide bombers... It is the same one,

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actually. Placed under formal investigation for terrorist

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conspiracy. France has responded to the attacks

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in Paris on Friday by launching its biggest bombing raid yet against the

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self-styled Islamic State group. A wave of French jets struck

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a number of targets in the Syrian city of Raqqa, which is controlled

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by the militants. The French govt says they have the

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right to self defend themselves, after the Islamic State group said

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it carried out the Paris attacks. Jeremy Corbyn has suggested those

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extra strikes from France will probably not make any difference. He

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said the answer has to be a political settlement in Syria though

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he acknowledged this would be very difficult to achieve.

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Here, the government has announced extra funding for security

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and intelligence staff at MI5, MI6, and GCHQ - which will allow them to

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It's the biggest increase in security spending since the July

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David Cameron says "protecting the British people is my

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number one duty as prime minister " and that the new recruits will

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help in a "generational struggle" against extremism.

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In an interview on Radio 4 this morning he also said

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the government has been aware of groups of militants in Syria

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potentially sending people back to carry out attacks in Britain.

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It is very important that we carry on with our lives. What these

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terrorists want to do is change our way of life and destroy our way of

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life and we should be vigilant. In a free society you never have 100%

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security but you also have the people and the police working

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together to keep us safe. Remember that but remember that our freedom

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depends on showing resolve and carrying on with our way of life,

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which is exactly what we want to do. The biggest loss of life was at the

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Bataclan Theatre. Michael O'Connor was caught up in the attack. It was

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just like an automatic rifle firing into the crowd. People falling all

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over the place, screaming, pushing to get away. It was so fool as well.

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Once I realised what was going on, my first instinct was to get me and

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my girlfriend out of there. I don't think I heard the attackers shouting

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or saying anything, they were just firing indiscriminately into the

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crowd. When they had emptied the magazine, everybody got up and tried

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to make another --, they be loaded and started firing into us again.

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People were wounded and conscious but not crying out, trying to stay

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quiet. I could see lots of other people who were obviously dead. At

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one point we could tell there was activity on the balcony, we were

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whispering to each other that we would be OK. I thought I was going

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to die. At one point, because I could not see properly, it sounded

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like they were firing down from the balcony into the main area. I

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thought at some point they would shoot us as well. It was towards the

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end of a song. It sounded like firecrackers. People did not know

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what was going on. Thought it was part of the gig. Right up to the

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front of the stage, the lead singer ran off. At that point we realised

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this was not part of the show. This was reality. When they ran off stage

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there were gunshots, everything was quiet and the lights went on.

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Everybody dropped to the floor, people were hugging each other,

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protecting each other. It was really distressing. Could not believe what

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was happening. The gunfire continued. There was not any

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screaming, just silence, there was not even the echo of guns, these

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bullets kept hitting people. Everybody was silent, people were

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lying there, it felt like it was about ten minutes but it was

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probably about two minutes. People starting to crawl away. There was

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not a point where we could run, we were just crawling toward the fire

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exit. Some people were frozen with fear, not moving, it was disturbing

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that you were climbing over people, people just like you. I turned round

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to see where the sound came from and as I turned round, there were rows

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of people dropping to the floor. We followed. We looked up and just saw

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this guy walking around the edge of the room with a rifle, we both

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thought that was it for us, but thankfully after that, the doors

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opened and we were close enough that we got out fairly soon. People and

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governments across the world have pledged solidarity with France and

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have been spontaneous tributes as well. Here are some of them.

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My message to the French people is simple. This is an attack not just

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on Paris but not just on people of France but an attack on all of

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humanity and the values we share. All of the places where people were

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killed were places where people were having fun and there is no one in

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this world that should have the right to stop us doing what we love.

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Just to let you know this is being reported by Reuters, Belgian police

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have carried out a raid in the Brussels district where some of the

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suicide bombers are said to have lived.

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Coming up: We will hear from David Cameron on the Paris attacks,

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talking from the T20 summit in Turkey. We will hear what he says

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life. And as the Prime Minister warns of further attacks in Paris

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and across Europe, we will be live in Paris with Ben Brown in a few

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minutes. A manhunt is underway for one

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of the key suspects of the Paris terror attacks in

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which 129 people were killed. Police are searching

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for Brussels-born 26-year-old It's emerged that he was questioned

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in the hours afterwards Two more of

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the attackers have just been named. The authorities are already looking

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for him after he broke bail in 2013. A Syrian passport was found

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near his body. France has hit back

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against the Islamic State militant group in response to the Paris

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attacks, launching air strikes against their stronghold

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in the Syrian city of Raqqa. The defence ministry said 20 bombs

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were dropped in the raid overnight, hitting targets including

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a command centre, a munitions depot In the UK more money is to be

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made available for the security David Cameron says

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an extra 1900 officers would help in what he called a generational

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struggle against extremism. He's also told the Today programme

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that Britain should consider also I support the action in Syria.

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It is happening anyway. The question is,

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should we go further? I have always said I think it

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is sensible that we should. ISIL don't recognise

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a border between Iraq and Syria and neither should we.

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I need to build the argument, I need to take it to Parliament,

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I need to convince more people. We won't hold the vote unless we can

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see Parliament would endorse the A 16-year-old has been arrested

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on suspicion of attempted murder after a police officer was attacked

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in East London. The officer was stabbed

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in the stomach while responding to reports of anti-social behaviour

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in Tower Hamlets. Scotland Yard said

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the constable is in a serious but stable condition in hospital.

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Around 60 flood warnings remain in place across Britain this

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morning, but the most serious risk is believed to have passed.

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Torrential rain over the weekend has caused flooding in parts of Cumbria,

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Lancashire and Yorkshire. Good morning. The French national

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team will travel to England today for the international friendly. They

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did have the offer for the game not to go ahead after the English FA

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suggested they could cancel the game, but all 23 players wanted the

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game to go ahead. Just like many sports stadiums across the world,

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the Wembley arch will be lit up with the colours of the French flag to

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show solidarity with the French people. Elsewhere in sport, Lewis

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Hamilton says that he will work hard to try and understand why he is now

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losing team is the sadist team-mate Nico Rosberg. Nico Rosberg racked up

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his second victory against Lewis Hamilton in quick succession after

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winning the Brazilian Grand Prix yesterday. And Andy Murray begins

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his ATP world tour finals campaign against David Ferrer out this

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afternoon. It will be interesting to see how Andy Murray get done because

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he has been preparing for the Davis cup final, which starts next week,

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on play, but this surface is a hard court so it will be interesting to

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see if he can step up to that challenge. -- on clay courts. Thank

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you. Inevitably our programme is dominated by events in Paris at the

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weekend. Let's go live to the capital and Ben Brown. What has the

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French Prime Minister been saying this morning? Manuel Valls has been

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saying that we have got to live with this terrorist threat. We have to

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fully live, but live with this threat, and that is the message that

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people here in Paris and around France are beginning to get. They

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have the attacks, the Charlie Hebdo killings, in January at the

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beginning of this year, and all the terror that followed them. And now

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the year is ending with more terrorism, even more deadly. Manuel

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Valls said Islamic state cannot win the war against us but this

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terrorist organisation is seeking to weaken and divide us. Here in Place

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de la Republique, in the heart of Paris, is where people have been

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coming to lay flowers and light candles in memory of the dead, but

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also leaving slogans saying that France will not be weekend or

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divided by this terrorism and they will stand up to it and defy it.

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What more can you tell us about the identity of the attackers?

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Interesting because new details have just emerged in the last few minutes

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about two of the suicide bombers. One of them who blew himself up

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outside the stadium where President Hollande was during the France

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friendly match with Germany, the star to France, that was Ahmad Al

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Mohammad. -- Stade de France. A Syrian passport was found by his

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body and if that is authentic, he was 25 years old and born in Syria.

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We are just getting that information now from the Paris prosecutors

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office, and the identity of another suicide bomber has been given, Samy

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Amimour, 28 and from France. This is interesting and very significant

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because this man was born in Paris and was known to the French

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intelligence services, we are hearing. He was actually placed

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under formal investigation in October 2012 for terrorist

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conspiracy. He was right on their radar. He broke bail in 2013. An

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international arrest warrant was issued for him. Three of his

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relatives have now been detained but this was a man who was on the radar

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of French intelligence, so yet more questions for them. And how would

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you describe the atmosphere today? Still very tense, Victoria. When we

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arrived here on Saturday morning, the city was pretty empty. Just in a

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few hours after the attacks, people frightened, nervous, staying in

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their homes and afraid to go onto the streets. And yesterday more

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people did come out onto the streets and they did want to attend vigils

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at the various scenes of the six attacks, lighting candles, laying

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flowers, showing solidarity. Then there was panic last night when

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people thought there had been a new attack right where we are in Place

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de la Republique, and people started running. Hundreds of people running,

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they thought for their lives. People are so on edge, really. There was

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not only gunfire but there were rumours that there had been some

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shooting and so they ran. There were extraordinary scenes in cafes with

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people diving under tables and lying on the floor because they thought

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new attacks had started. And particularly because one of the

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suspect is still on the run, 26-year-old Salah Abdeslam. Police

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have said that he is dangerous and should not be approached if seen.

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That is adding to the sense of nervousness and tension here. Thank

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you. Ben Brown live in Paris. It is probably worth repeating what the

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Paris prosecutor is telling us this morning about two of the suicide

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bombers. As we were saying, a 28-year-old French man, Samy

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Amimour, charged in 2012 in a terrorism investigation, and placed

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under judicial supervision, but he dropped off the radar and was the

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subject of an international arrest warrant. Another of the suicide

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bombers who blew himself up outside the Stade de France, tried to get

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in, found with a Syrian passport, by the name of Ahmad Al Mohammad. 25

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and born in Syria. The prosecutors are saying fingerprints from the

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attacker match those of somebody who passed through Greece in October.

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And three members of the family have been in custody since early Monday

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morning. The very first attacker to be formally identified was Omar

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Mostefai, a 29-year-old French man, born just South of Paris and we have

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been finding out more about him. I'm in Chartres,

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which is a town about an hour south of Paris, and we are

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outside the house of Omar Mostefai. It's here he lived in around 2012,

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but we've been on the trail It started when we were

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in Courcouronnes, the town just south of Paris, 15 kilometres south,

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and part of the Banlieux. I spoke to people there,

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and they kind of painted a picture of a bit of a

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street rat, bit of a kind of local Arrested eight times by police,

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involved in petty crime. But I spoke to a friend

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of his who said he was a nice guy, just one of the lads,

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used to drive around in cars and just generally hang out, nothing

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particularly menacing about him. But something seems to have happened

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in 2010 when he came here to Chartres and he was flagged by the

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government as a possible radical. In 2012, his brother at least thinks

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he may well have gone to Algeria, and from there possible he even

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went to Syria, but I've got to say We've been on the trail

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of this young man and it seems that it's gone from street rat to

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dangerous, dangerous radical. Still to come, we will be live in

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Paris where we will get political reaction on the terror attacks.

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Let's speak to Norman Smith about reaction here and in particular what

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David Cameron has been saying on the radio this morning. What would you

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draw from what he has said? A number of interesting lines. The most

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striking thing is that he said there have been seven thwarted terrorist

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plots in the UK in the last six months alone. They are not on the

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scale of what happened in Paris but seven is an awful lot in six months

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and that underlines the nature of the threat we now seem to face. He

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also announced there would be beefing up of security services and

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extra cash to take on 2000 more spies, bluntly. The budget for

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aviation services will be doubled, so more security officers at

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airports, more scanning, more research will technology to go into

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scanning equipment. And there will be a review into a number of

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airports in the Middle East and North Africa which are used by a lot

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of British travellers, just to see if the security there is up to date.

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And on top of all that, the investigatory powers bill, which we

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have talked a lot about, giving the security services more power to look

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at our emails, internet and data usage, there are indications that

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David Cameron might speed that up through the Commons. What is

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absolutely critical in many people's mines will be whether we are going

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to start bombing and joining in the air in Syria. The indication from

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David Cameron is no, not now, because there simply is no

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parliamentary majority for it. Labour MPs are opposed, the SNP, the

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Liberal Democrats, all opposed. But this is the thing. There are signs

:28:44.:28:51.

that the West, Britain, America and France, are willing to strike a deal

:28:52.:28:54.

with President Putin because the language has changed. If a deal can

:28:55.:29:00.

be done with Putin said that Russia focuses all its efforts on attacking

:29:01.:29:08.

IS, all its diplomatic efforts there, that could potentially mean

:29:09.:29:12.

some Labour MPs think they have a diplomatic route and we could be

:29:13.:29:15.

willing to support military action if there is a diplomatic route. Just

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listen to what David Cameron said on the wireless this morning about

:29:20.:29:24.

relations with Russia. It sounds much more conciliatory. Of course we

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are using our military power in Iraq, directly combating Isil and

:29:30.:29:34.

they have lost 20% of the territory that they held, but we are also

:29:35.:29:38.

using our military power to stop in their tracks threats to this

:29:39.:29:45.

country, as we did with Hussein and in helping the Americans with

:29:46.:29:48.

so-called Jihadi John, who were all in Syria. On the issue of going

:29:49.:29:54.

further, I support the action in Syria. We are part of the enablers

:29:55.:29:59.

for that. It is happening anyway. The question is whether we should go

:30:00.:30:03.

further and join that action. I have always said that I think it is

:30:04.:30:07.

sensible that we should. Isil do not recognise a border between Iraq and

:30:08.:30:11.

Syria and neither do we but I need to build the argument, take it to

:30:12.:30:15.

Parliament, convince more people. We will not hold that vote unless we

:30:16.:30:30.

can see that Parliament would endorse that action, because to fail

:30:31.:30:33.

on this would be damaging. It is not a question of damaging the

:30:34.:30:35.

Government. It is not damaging our country and its reputation in the

:30:36.:30:38.

world. I will build the case, but in the end Parliament must decide. So

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air strikes and joining in, in the immediate future, no. David Cameron

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is not going to risk it, not just because of the personal blow to his

:30:44.:30:49.

own authority but the diplomatic risks. It would be a political coup

:30:50.:30:53.

for Islamic state. The view in Government circles is that if they

:30:54.:30:57.

can get Putin on board, if they can get some broad agreement reached,

:30:58.:31:01.

then he can go back to the Commons and say, look, I want you to support

:31:02.:31:05.

air strikes but I have a diplomatic plan as well. Many Labour MPs are

:31:06.:31:09.

saying they will not support air strikes unless there is a clear

:31:10.:31:14.

diplomatic plan. If David Cameron and Obama can hammer out a

:31:15.:31:18.

diplomatic plan, then it is quite possible that David Cameron will

:31:19.:31:21.

come back to the Commons and say, look, here it is, now will you back

:31:22.:31:23.

air strikes? David Cameron addressed that this

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morning but there are differences because we are an island. That is a

:31:35.:31:39.

fairly significant factor. When you speak to the police they say the

:31:40.:31:43.

availability of guns in Britain is much less, particularly automatic

:31:44.:31:53.

weapons. The other thing David Cameron spoke about is we have

:31:54.:31:58.

different border controls. They have an agreement so that in the rest of

:31:59.:32:05.

Europe when you are in, you are in. But let us not be naive, we have

:32:06.:32:10.

seen terrorism on the streets already, and we should expect more

:32:11.:32:19.

police on the streets, more presence at sporting events, such as the

:32:20.:32:24.

coming football match. I wonder whether the Chancellor will need to

:32:25.:32:28.

think again about cuts to police budgets because you can imagine the

:32:29.:32:31.

Home Secretary will be saying to him, hang on a second, you cannot

:32:32.:32:37.

seriously be talking about cutting police numbers. We are getting more

:32:38.:32:49.

details about the suicide bombers all the time. The French Daugherty

:32:50.:32:55.

is identifying another two of the attackers. -- French authorities.

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One of the attackers came from Turkey, he was found with the Syrian

:33:12.:33:16.

passport alongside him. Still not clear if that passport was genuine

:33:17.:33:19.

or not. His family are saying that he went to Syria two years ago.

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More information coming in all the time. Let us speak to a

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French-Algerian journalist who specialises in Islamic politics. How

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do you respond to what happened? My first thought was I was glad I was

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not there. I go back and forth an awful lot. My sister, my brother, my

:34:04.:34:17.

friends live in Paris. My first reaction was to say, thank God I am

:34:18.:34:25.

safe. I will make sure family and friends were caught in this tragedy,

:34:26.:34:29.

I spoke to my sister and she said she was about to go out with

:34:30.:34:35.

girlfriends around that time. They got lazy about it and they remained

:34:36.:34:40.

away from the capital. I also spoke to my younger brother, who lives in

:34:41.:34:47.

Paris, and told him to stay at home because there was no indication at

:34:48.:34:50.

that point that the attacks were over. There could be further attacks

:34:51.:34:55.

and, as it happens, there is an ongoing crisis, with one of the

:34:56.:35:01.

terrorist at large, with one of the accomplices. It is very much an

:35:02.:35:06.

ongoing threat and I wanted to make sure, he is a distinctive looking

:35:07.:35:10.

young man, there was always going to be a risk of him being arrested or

:35:11.:35:16.

being the victim of violence because of retaliation attacks. Rate. That

:35:17.:35:23.

is interesting you talk about retaliation, is that an

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inevitability? There are always going to be people who will want to

:35:28.:35:34.

link the attacks and try to stigmatise entire communities

:35:35.:35:37.

because of the background of the perpetrators, of the attacks. To

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give you some staggering figures, after the Charlie Hebdo attacks,

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within hours they work grenade and arson attacks in France against

:35:51.:35:57.

mosques. In the six months, physical assaults against Muslims have

:35:58.:36:04.

increased by 500%. There was an increase of 100% of verbal abuse,

:36:05.:36:09.

with women wearing headscarves being targeted particularly, including

:36:10.:36:15.

children who refused to do the minute of silence because they did

:36:16.:36:20.

not feel that they were with Charlie Hebdo. They were pulled out of

:36:21.:36:25.

classrooms and taken to police stations. We are talking about

:36:26.:36:34.

children aged 8-12. This feels different, don't you think? It feels

:36:35.:36:44.

very different. It was indiscriminate, particularly

:36:45.:36:46.

sinister because of the targets. It is very easy to attack civilians.

:36:47.:36:58.

The danger of -- the nature of these attacks makes it the most cowardly

:36:59.:37:06.

possible. I think there will be a different feeling to Paris. There is

:37:07.:37:10.

a determination to put a resilient front and say, never again but we

:37:11.:37:16.

heard that slogan in January. There was marching across Paris. It was

:37:17.:37:19.

highly symbolic. It was necessary, but I think the French will expect

:37:20.:37:32.

more than token a stick marches. They expect the government to do

:37:33.:37:37.

much more than that, including intelligence, proper intelligence.

:37:38.:37:41.

Let me ask you about some of the information coming out this morning,

:37:42.:37:46.

that one of the men went to Syria a couple of years ago and was on the

:37:47.:37:52.

radar of the authorities, under judicial supervision until 2013,

:37:53.:37:57.

then dropping off the radar. Indeed. There is something depressingly

:37:58.:38:01.

familiar and predictable about the profile of the terrorists, not only

:38:02.:38:08.

those involved in these attacks but also invariably, they tend to be

:38:09.:38:14.

young French men of North African background who live on housing

:38:15.:38:19.

estates, very much deprived areas. They tend to come from troubled

:38:20.:38:25.

backgrounds, involved in petty criminality. They have a track

:38:26.:38:37.

record of radicalisation. It includes spending time abroad.

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Countries where we can have an affiliation. There is still a heck

:38:46.:38:53.

of a leap from growing up in a deprived suburb and then 20 years

:38:54.:39:01.

later turning up with a suicide vest and a Kalashnikov to kill Muslims,

:39:02.:39:06.

Christians, French people, at a rock concert. There is indeed, but there

:39:07.:39:15.

are clues that you cannot ignore, and that includes the radicalisation

:39:16.:39:22.

aspect. Invariably, these young people are known to security

:39:23.:39:30.

services. I think the radicalisation aspect makes them particularly

:39:31.:39:33.

interesting for the security services, people who should be

:39:34.:39:43.

monitored properly. Trips abroad to countries like Syria, that is not

:39:44.:39:47.

innocent. It takes a handful of sociopaths from that background to

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absolutely reek havoc. These are people who, in their minds, have

:39:53.:40:00.

nothing to lose. There is a tacit agreement that they are prepared to

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kill as many people as possible and die themselves. May I just add that

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after the Charlie Hebdo attacks, we have heard from the Prime Minister

:40:11.:40:17.

of France, he spoke very frankly and bluntly about an ethnic, territorial

:40:18.:40:23.

and social apartheid in France. The high-rise estates, characterised

:40:24.:40:29.

with delinquency, discrimination and poverty. It is a fertile ground for

:40:30.:40:40.

people to become liable to carry out the radicalisation. The French

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interior minister is about to hold a press conference in Paris, we will

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cross live when he begins. Why do you think Paris again? To be

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perfectly honest, I'm sure there are many reasons, but there is also an

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intrinsic link, it seems, between foreign policy and domestic

:41:10.:41:16.

affairs, and there is certainly a relation there between France's

:41:17.:41:21.

decision to tackle an extremely serious, global problem, that is

:41:22.:41:27.

barbaric, radicalisation linked to groups like Isis, strikes in their

:41:28.:41:35.

territory, eastern Syria, western Iraq, and the perception that it is

:41:36.:41:44.

an unjust crusade, and yet another attack on Muslim countries, that in

:41:45.:41:49.

itself, we know that groups like Isis have mastered the art of

:41:50.:41:56.

communication and they can certainly use that as a propaganda tool, to

:41:57.:42:04.

recruit vulnerable minds. Thank you for talking to us. This news is

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coming into us. It is from a source in David Cameron's office. Britain

:42:13.:42:18.

foiled the attack -- foiled an attack on the UK in the last month.

:42:19.:42:29.

British authorities foiled an attack on the UK in the last month. That is

:42:30.:42:35.

being reported by Reuters. We will bring more answers to that. We are

:42:36.:42:42.

going to speak now to people living in France because it is not just a

:42:43.:42:48.

global effort going on but also a network of collaborators. As that

:42:49.:42:52.

recessed takes place some community leaders have said they fear a sinner

:42:53.:42:58.

may -- they fear a lot of hatred coming towards French Muslims.

:42:59.:43:05.

Letters park to a member of the foundation for ethnic understanding.

:43:06.:43:08.

-- let us speak. Is a backlash inevitable against some Muslims

:43:09.:43:17.

living in Paris? Thank you for your invitation. Yes, of course we are

:43:18.:43:28.

fearing backlash. Honestly speaking, we have already witnessed some

:43:29.:43:36.

rallies in the north of France against Muslims, we have seen masks

:43:37.:43:40.

that have been tagged with racist slogans. -- mosques. At the same

:43:41.:43:50.

time, we need to bring a new narrative into society, saying that

:43:51.:43:54.

we have failed to answer the Charlie Hebdo attack, we have failed to

:43:55.:44:00.

bring a long-term solution in terms of foreign policy, the mess the

:44:01.:44:05.

conveyors, we need to bring back those issues to the table of

:44:06.:44:14.

politicians and ask them, and demand some real solution on those topics.

:44:15.:44:19.

What do you think of your President's response, to send more

:44:20.:44:25.

French jets to drop bombs on Islamic State's stronghold in Raqqa? I wake

:44:26.:44:31.

up this morning and I have seen this news and I was taken aback. Do we

:44:32.:44:40.

really think sending weapons and bombing a city like Raqqa will solve

:44:41.:44:44.

the issue? We know that the terrorist attack happened from

:44:45.:44:49.

people who were born and raised in this country. I don't think bombing

:44:50.:45:00.

Daesh is the solution, I don't think it is right to do that and not think

:45:01.:45:05.

about the situation that happens because of President Assad. We need

:45:06.:45:10.

to look at our foreign policy and see where we failed, because we

:45:11.:45:12.

failed. Thank you for talking to us. This reported by Associated Press,

:45:13.:45:24.

the latest on the attacks in Paris. A French official says the suspected

:45:25.:45:31.

mastermind of the attacks was also linked to thwarted train and church

:45:32.:45:38.

attacks, they have identified him as a Belgian man and they say he is

:45:39.:45:44.

believed to be linked to various attacks on a Paris bound high-speed

:45:45.:45:52.

train and Paris church. The official was not authorised to be publicly

:45:53.:45:57.

identified. The suspected mastermind is a Belgian man. He is believed to

:45:58.:46:09.

be linked to the watered attacks. At the moment, seven people are in

:46:10.:46:13.

custody in Belgium suspected of links to the attacks. An

:46:14.:46:18.

international arrest warrant has been issued for a Belgian born

:46:19.:46:21.

Frenchman believed to be involved as well.

:46:22.:46:34.

A lot of rain in the last 48 hours, with dramatic footage of rivers

:46:35.:46:41.

breaking their banks, cars getting submerged and a lot of flooding

:46:42.:46:45.

across northern areas. This picture is Yorkshire and the river cruise at

:46:46.:46:50.

very high levels. The bad news is more wet and windy weather

:46:51.:46:54.

throughout this week with more chance of flooding, but then

:46:55.:46:57.

something colder with wintry showers later. That is a long way off so I

:46:58.:47:02.

will go back to the here and now. Monday is breezy with severe gales

:47:03.:47:06.

developing in northern Scotland through the afternoon. Wintry

:47:07.:47:09.

showers over the Scottish mountaintops and rain to lower

:47:10.:47:12.

levels. A cold things in the northern half of the country and

:47:13.:47:18.

mild in the South. Wetter weather coming in too much of England and

:47:19.:47:23.

Wales, including areas in the North that have already seen flooding.

:47:24.:47:27.

That storm is bringing severe gales that slowly move away. Both weather

:47:28.:47:31.

systems clear away, but then we say hello to the next area of low

:47:32.:47:35.

pressure hurtling into south-western parts of the country throughout

:47:36.:47:39.

Tuesday, bringing more wet and windy weather in areas where we do not

:47:40.:47:43.

need any more rain. Temperatures on the mild side in the southern half

:47:44.:47:47.

of the country but quite cool in the North with temperatures in single

:47:48.:47:52.

figures. Into the middle part of the week, we see the next area of low

:47:53.:47:55.

pressure moving in. This one has a sting in its tail, bringing gales to

:47:56.:48:02.

northern parts of the UK. Then this next area of low pressure brings in

:48:03.:48:06.

more wet and windy weather. Keep tuned to the weather forecast and

:48:07.:48:09.

keep up to date on the flood weather warnings.

:48:10.:48:14.

Thank you. Good morning. It is ten o'clock on Monday. I am Victoria

:48:15.:48:19.

Derbyshire. Welcome to the programme

:48:20.:48:23.

if you've just joined us.. Standing in solidarity - the whole

:48:24.:48:25.

of Europe is set to fall silent in an hour's time as people across

:48:26.:48:29.

the continent pause for a minute's silence to remember the victims

:48:30.:48:32.

of the Paris terror attacks. I just turned round to see whether

:48:33.:48:38.

sound came from and everybody was just dropping to the floor, row

:48:39.:48:43.

after row, so we followed suit. I remember looking up from the floor

:48:44.:48:46.

for just a second and seeing this guy walking around the edge of the

:48:47.:48:53.

room with a rifle. Meanwhile, seven of the Paris attackers are

:48:54.:48:56.

identified as the manhunt for an eighth continues. Police have

:48:57.:49:01.

carried out 150 raids on suspected Islamist militants. Meanwhile France

:49:02.:49:05.

retaliates for the attacks, carrying out a wave of air strikes on Raqqa

:49:06.:49:10.

in Syria, the stronghold of the so-called Islamic State. In the UK,

:49:11.:49:22.

it has been revealed that seven security attacks were foiled in the

:49:23.:49:25.

last six months and one in the last month. Good morning. The main news

:49:26.:49:34.

so far this morning: A manhunt is under way for one of the key suspect

:49:35.:49:38.

in the Paris terror attacks, in which 129 people were killed.

:49:39.:49:47.

Police are searching for 26-year-old seller Abdul and -- Salah Abdeslam.

:49:48.:50:00.

He was born in France. Police are also searching for Omar Mostefai,

:50:01.:50:09.

who broke bail in 2013, and Ahmad Al Mohammad, whose Syrian passport was

:50:10.:50:12.

found next to his body. The mastermind of the attacks has been

:50:13.:50:16.

identified as a Belgian man called Abdul Hamid Abood. French police

:50:17.:50:21.

have carried out 150 raids across the country since Friday night.

:50:22.:50:25.

Several people have been arrested and weapons seized. The French Prime

:50:26.:50:28.

Minister Manuel Valls says the attacks were planned from Syria and

:50:29.:50:34.

more were being prepared. We know that operations were being prepared

:50:35.:50:38.

and are still being prepared, not only against France, but other

:50:39.:50:43.

European countries as well. Islamic State issued a statement on Saturday

:50:44.:50:47.

in which they claimed responsibility for the attacks, and it stated

:50:48.:50:52.

clearly that these countries were its possible targets. France has hit

:50:53.:50:56.

back against the Islamic State militant group in response to the

:50:57.:50:59.

attacks, launching air strikes in their stronghold of the Syrian city

:51:00.:51:10.

of Raqqa. 20 bombs were dropped overnight targeting munitions depots

:51:11.:51:13.

and a training camp. It has emerged that Britain prevented a tax on the

:51:14.:51:21.

UK last month, following knowledge that more money will be made

:51:22.:51:27.

available for MI5, MI6 and GCHQ. David Cameron said 1900 officers

:51:28.:51:30.

would be involved in what he called a generational struggle against

:51:31.:51:37.

extremism. He also told the Today programme that we should continue

:51:38.:51:43.

considering air strikes in Syria. I support air strikes in Syria and we

:51:44.:51:46.

are part of the enablers of that. The question is whether we should go

:51:47.:51:51.

further and support the action. I think we should. Isil do not

:51:52.:51:54.

recognise a border between Iraq and Syria and neither should we but I

:51:55.:51:57.

need to build the argument, take it to Parliament and convince more

:51:58.:52:01.

people. We will not hold that vote unless we can see that Parliament

:52:02.:52:03.

would endorse that action. A 16-year-old has been arrested

:52:04.:52:08.

on suspicion of attempted murder after a police officer was attacked

:52:09.:52:11.

in East London. The officer was stabbed

:52:12.:52:13.

in the stomach while responding to reports of anti-social behaviour

:52:14.:52:15.

in Tower Hamlets. Scotland Yard said the constable is

:52:16.:52:17.

in a serious but stable condition. Around 60 flood warnings remain

:52:18.:52:20.

in place across Britain this morning, but the most serious risk

:52:21.:52:22.

is believed to have passed. Torrential rain over the weekend has

:52:23.:52:25.

caused flooding in parts of Cumbria, The French national team travel to

:52:26.:52:28.

England today after turning down an offer to withdraw from

:52:29.:52:38.

tomorrow's friendly at Wembley, Like many sports stadiums

:52:39.:52:41.

around the world, the Wembley arch will be lit up

:52:42.:52:43.

in the colours of the French flag. Mercedes driver Nico Rosberg beat

:52:44.:52:50.

his team mate Lewis Hamilton for the second time in a row,

:52:51.:52:53.

winning the Brazilian Grand Prix. Rosberg started on pole,

:52:54.:52:57.

led at the first corner, Hamilton sealed the Championship

:52:58.:53:00.

title last month. Andy Murray begins his ATP World

:53:01.:53:07.

Finals campaign later today. Murray hasn't had the ideal

:53:08.:53:10.

preparation for this event. The world number two is also looking

:53:11.:53:18.

ahead to the Davis Cup final against Belgium

:53:19.:53:22.

and faced the challenge of having to That is all the sport for now. Thank

:53:23.:53:35.

you. The French Interior Minister has just begun a press conference in

:53:36.:53:40.

France. They present a threat against our country. I have

:53:41.:53:55.

announced that six French citizens have been identified. 34 were

:53:56.:54:02.

prevented from leaving the country. And including the imam is, the

:54:03.:54:10.

preachers of hate. For months now, the services of the Interior

:54:11.:54:13.

Ministry have gathered the necessary means and measures in the cultural

:54:14.:54:22.

centres and also locations of face to prevent this. The procedure is

:54:23.:54:31.

under way and will be examined by the Council of ministers, these

:54:32.:54:39.

measures. The judicial framework, the state of emergency, will allow

:54:40.:54:46.

us to amplify this work in the long term, to prevent attacks and protect

:54:47.:54:55.

French citizens. I have an exceptional mobilisation within the

:54:56.:55:04.

scope of emergency measures so that we carry out a search of households

:55:05.:55:14.

and homes. Over the past 48 hours, 100 targets have been identified.

:55:15.:55:20.

Individuals have been identified since last night. The police and

:55:21.:55:26.

gender armoury are working in coordination with territorial

:55:27.:55:33.

services and have carried out 68 searches of individual houses and

:55:34.:55:41.

suspects following accusations. This will speed up and this is important

:55:42.:55:49.

and essential our investigations over the radicalised objectives and

:55:50.:56:04.

also to give us the information. The state of emergency has been applied.

:56:05.:56:15.

The searches were into loos, Leon -- Toulouse, Lyon and throughout

:56:16.:56:20.

France. Not a single area will be left alone within the maximum alert

:56:21.:56:27.

where the forces of the law are mobilised within my authority. I

:56:28.:56:35.

would like to give the first 24 individuals that have been detained.

:56:36.:56:54.

18 drugs and stupefying drugs have been found. We have also found

:56:55.:56:58.

telecommunication means that would have been used. For example an

:56:59.:57:05.

object has been identified that would have been used for the

:57:06.:57:12.

trafficking of arms and drugs. We have managed to find a Kalashnikov,

:57:13.:57:18.

three automatic pistols, and an anti-bullet fest. Under the

:57:19.:57:27.

direction of the Republic's prosecutor and judiciary, we have

:57:28.:57:33.

orders to search the household of a number of people. We found a number

:57:34.:57:38.

of automatic pistols and military uniforms and rocket launchers. The

:57:39.:57:45.

judiciary police is carrying out its investigation as we speak. As you

:57:46.:57:58.

know, there could be a connection, a link with terrorists. Everything

:57:59.:58:03.

gathered last night will be studied with regard to a terrorist link.

:58:04.:58:08.

This is just the beginning. These actions will continue. The reply of

:58:09.:58:19.

the Republic will be solid and total. Those who want to hurt the

:58:20.:58:25.

Republic, they will be attacked. They will be dealt with, and those

:58:26.:58:32.

who help them, therefore as the Prime Minister has reminded us this

:58:33.:58:38.

morning, we are applying all investigation means to dispel the

:58:39.:58:46.

radical Imams who dispel hatred and putting them under house arrest.

:58:47.:58:56.

They have been targeted. Ladies and gentlemen, this terrorist barbarism

:58:57.:59:01.

has opened a war against us. There are no other options except one and

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this is the one the French have adopted. And the French Government

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is applying a response from the Republic against those who wish to

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destroy us. The terrorists will never destroy the Republic because

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the Republic will destroy them. Thank you. That was the French

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Interior Minister. Various details about the identities of the suicide

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bombers. He talked about 68 searches of suspects' houses across France.

:59:37.:59:41.

Weapons and ammunition that have been seized including pistols and

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rocket launchers. Here, Downing Street sources are saying that

:59:47.:59:49.

security services prevented one attack in the UK in the last month

:59:50.:59:53.

and earlier today the Prime Minister said that seven attacks were

:59:54.:59:56.

prevented in Britain in the last six months. Frank Gardner, our security

:59:57.:00:01.

correspondent, is here. Would that be pretty typical for what has been

:00:02.:00:06.

thwarted? Well, the number of attacks they are thwarting is far

:00:07.:00:09.

higher this year than it has been in the past. It is right back to the

:00:10.:00:21.

intense period around 2005 and 2006 and possibly worse. They are resting

:00:22.:00:24.

one person on average every day on suspicion of terrorism offences,

:00:25.:00:26.

which is really alarming. The pace of the arrests, the pace of the

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threat, it is unprecedented. The scale of the thwarted attacks that

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David Cameron referred to there is tiny compared to what has happened

:00:37.:00:40.

in Paris. They would still be damaging. If those attacks had gone

:00:41.:00:44.

through, I am sure it would have been very bad for anybody involved,

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but they are not on the scale of Paris. Nothing that we have seen

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here, apart from 7/7, is on quite that scale. There was the liquid

:00:54.:00:58.

bomb plot, which was huge, but these are relatively minor. I think that

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the intelligence agencies in Britain and probably in other countries have

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probably lulled themselves into the idea that the most likely threat

:01:07.:01:11.

will come from lone operators, people like the people that attacked

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Lee Rigby in the streets of wallets, who will be radicalised, yes, but

:01:16.:01:20.

not predicting on a watch list and will suddenly be spurred into

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action. But we have seen from Paris that this was carefully planned and

:01:25.:01:28.

coordinated and almost certainly directed from Raqqa in Syria, so

:01:29.:01:33.

that is back to the Al-Qaeda model of a centralised direction, sending

:01:34.:01:37.

out teams from overseas, the Middle East, the wider Middle East.

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The government has announced they are increasing the manpower of the

:01:52.:01:58.

intelligence agencies, that is GCHQ, MI5, MI6, by 15%. 1900 new

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intelligence and security officers are going to be added. A huge part

:02:08.:02:16.

of the challenge is to break these in critical applications, break into

:02:17.:02:23.

them, if they can communicate with each other, they cannot be detected.

:02:24.:02:38.

The challenge for any government is to make sure those powers are not

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abused, if they get the bill through, it is very important they

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are not abused by councils, snooping on people where they live, seeing if

:02:55.:02:56.

they are putting out their rubbish on time and things like that. The

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thing it does not address is community policing, that is quite

:03:03.:03:06.

dangerous because one of the big success stories is that communities,

:03:07.:03:09.

not necessarily Muslim communities, have been very good at feeding up

:03:10.:03:18.

information if they think they are concerned about somebody being

:03:19.:03:22.

radicalised, leaving a bag unattended, that is a really ported

:03:23.:03:26.

part of intelligence gathering. There is a limit to how much you can

:03:27.:03:37.

intercept traditional intelligence gathering, a lot of it is the public

:03:38.:03:41.

being public spirited. If you reduce community policing there is a risk

:03:42.:03:45.

you will lose those eyes and ears on the ground. Can I ask you one final

:03:46.:03:50.

question about weapons and ammunition and the kind of things

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that were used in Paris, where they are coming from and why it is so

:03:56.:03:59.

easy to get them across, and is it possible that kind of weaponry could

:04:00.:04:05.

end up in Britain? It is not impossible, Britain has been speared

:04:06.:04:09.

the kind of big marauding terrorist attacks we have seen in Paris twice

:04:10.:04:15.

this year. That is partly because it has tighter border controls, we are

:04:16.:04:20.

not part of the agreement which allows free passage of people across

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borders without checks. The weapons come from the Balkans. It is very

:04:31.:04:43.

easy for them to cross borders in the EU. The Germans got lucky, they

:04:44.:04:48.

stopped the car where the boot was full of AK-47s. Unfortunately they

:04:49.:04:57.

did not think to inform the rest of Europe, even though this person had

:04:58.:05:07.

Paris in his Saturn Avenue. Who knows if that would have thought of

:05:08.:05:12.

them. -- in his GPS navigation device. Weapons like this appear in

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all these attacks, they have not so far appeared on the streets of

:05:23.:05:27.

Britain. But we are not immune to it. There was the IRA connection a

:05:28.:05:38.

long time ago. But nobody is being complacent about this. What do we

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know about the identity of the men who carried out the attacks? Seven

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have been named. One is Salah Abdeslam, he was spoken to by police

:06:04.:06:07.

hours after the attacks and is thought to have rented a car. Two

:06:08.:06:17.

other suspects are his brothers. One of them blew himself up near the

:06:18.:06:23.

Bataclan. A third brother is reported to have been arrested by

:06:24.:06:25.

police in Belgium. Another has been named as the

:06:26.:06:39.

attacker who died at the stag do France.

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A Syrian passport was found near his body. Then there is a 28-year-old

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from near Paris, also thought to have died, blowing himself up at the

:06:52.:07:01.

Bataclan. He was charged in 2012 over claims that he planned to

:07:02.:07:08.

travel to Yemen. He was going to be placed under judicial supervision

:07:09.:07:13.

and then dropped off the radar. Our correspondent is in the centre of

:07:14.:07:29.

Paris. We are here at the Place de la Republique, the place where

:07:30.:07:32.

people came in January to express their defiance. They have come back

:07:33.:07:36.

here after the killings, they have lit candles and left flowers,

:07:37.:07:41.

leaving messages saying that France and the French values of democracy

:07:42.:07:44.

and liberty will not be beaten by terrorist attacks like the one we

:07:45.:07:48.

saw on Friday night. The death toll currently stands at 129. This is

:07:49.:07:56.

still very much a city on edge. Very tense, very nervous. Last night

:07:57.:08:00.

people heard rumours that shots had been fired. It was a false alarm.

:08:01.:08:05.

People were running for their lives and taking cover under tables in

:08:06.:08:12.

cafes, to give a sense of panic in this city. I am joined by senior

:08:13.:08:30.

French politicians to discuss the aftermath of these killings. Thank

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you to both of you. What are your thoughts in the wake of these

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terrible attacks that have left so many dead in this beautiful city?

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They are terrifying attacks. It is the most violent attack we have had

:08:57.:09:04.

in our country since the Second World War. It was a very coordinated

:09:05.:09:08.

action. We need to think about how we can resist this new type of

:09:09.:09:15.

terrorism. Even though we're used these kind of attacks, I must say.

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Francois Hollande said this is a war against terrorism, do you agree with

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that? In January we had a very big attack, but it is the first time it

:09:41.:09:47.

was so bad, and I think you need to think differently in France, to

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fight this. You need to think differently in the Europe, we need

:09:53.:10:01.

to have something different because now the problem comes from Syria and

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Iraq, and you need to have Europe fighting these people who come here

:10:13.:10:20.

to kill us. You need to fight this. You need to have the same thinking,

:10:21.:10:26.

the same solidarity between Europe, Russia and America. Some people have

:10:27.:10:34.

asked questions about the French intelligence services, one of the

:10:35.:10:39.

suicide bombers was known to them. Have there been failure is

:10:40.:10:48.

questionable I would not say that, we had discussed about the

:10:49.:10:57.

coordination of security services. We have discussed having a modern

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security service. We need to analyse, get back to Parliament and

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discuss together how we can find out different solutions because the next

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attacks might be different, everything is flexible, we need to

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react in that way, to get security services to adapt. Do you think

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there will be more attacks? I do not know, we are engaged in a war

:11:42.:11:47.

against Islamic State in Syria, foreign policy, we need to think

:11:48.:11:55.

about how we can react in the Middle East, how we can get together,

:11:56.:12:01.

otherwise every state can close its borders. Do you think there could be

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more attacks? Yes, everything is possible, I think it is possible,

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you can never say, it is something for a long time, because a big

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problem in the world, it is very difficult for us to say but I think

:12:33.:12:35.

we could have more attacks. Many thanks to both of you. There will be

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a minute's silence in France and across Europe later today to

:12:45.:12:51.

remember the dead, and Francois Hollande will be addressing a joint

:12:52.:12:55.

session at both houses of the French parliament later. The Prime

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Minister, David Cameron, who is at the Jeep 20 summit, has told a press

:13:03.:13:07.

conference the summit had agreed important steps to cut off terrorist

:13:08.:13:13.

financing and counter extremist ideologies. He told a press

:13:14.:13:18.

conference the summit has collectively agreed important

:13:19.:13:30.

steps. Raids are taking place at locations across France. The Prime

:13:31.:13:41.

Minister said the authorities were using a state of emergency to

:13:42.:13:45.

question people who were part of the radical jihadists movement. Our

:13:46.:13:49.

reporter has the latest. They were just randomly shooting

:13:50.:13:56.

first in the dark. We were quite close to the stage,

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just dancing. We heard a bang, there was shouting and screaming, firing

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indiscriminately into the crowd. A random massacre, it lasted a

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lifetime, and eternity. It was probably an hour. As Paris comes to

:14:19.:14:25.

terms with the worst terror attack since the Second World War, the

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investigation into what happened on Friday appears to be moving quickly.

:14:29.:14:34.

In the north of the city, at the stadium, reports that at least one

:14:35.:14:37.

of the suicide bombers had a ticket to the game and try to get inside

:14:38.:14:40.

before being challenged by security. It was here that police found a

:14:41.:14:53.

Syrian passport near the body of one of the attackers. Officials have

:14:54.:14:57.

confirmed it was used to travel the migrant routes through Greece. No

:14:58.:15:04.

direct link has been made with the attack and at this stage there is

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the possibility it was planted, forged, or stolen. Around the time

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of the attack, there was six strikes in and around the east of Paris.

:15:20.:15:26.

There was a firecracker, it went on and then it got louder.

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Also -- on Sunday the focus was on this black car, used as a getaway

:15:40.:15:46.

vehicle. The police found abandoned in the outskirts of the city with an

:15:47.:15:53.

initial the back-seat. It was in the Bataclan concert venue there was the

:15:54.:15:59.

greatest loss of life. More than 80 are confirmed dead there with dozens

:16:00.:16:03.

more in a serious condition. New footage emerged of the moment

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shooting broke out as the band played. A second car used in this

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attack has been traced to this man, Salah Abdeslam, one of three

:16:16.:16:21.

brothers suspected of being involved in the attacks. A manhunt is under

:16:22.:16:25.

way for the 26-year-old, who was reportedly stopped by police,

:16:26.:16:31.

driving in a car north to the Belgian border. The international

:16:32.:16:37.

connection appears to be key. Police made a series of arrests over the

:16:38.:16:46.

weekend in Brussels. They detained several men including the older

:16:47.:16:52.

brother of Salah Abdeslam. The names of the attackers are slowly being

:16:53.:16:54.

released, including another man from that same family. He blew himself up

:16:55.:16:58.

in a bar. Another 150 police raids have taken

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place on militant targets across France this morning in cities from

:17:15.:17:25.

Paris to Grenoble to Toulouse. But in Paris last night it was about the

:17:26.:17:28.

victims rather than the perpetrators.

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Still to come, as the UK be supped security, we will speak to a

:17:36.:17:41.

counterterror advisor. A manhunt is under way for one

:17:42.:17:55.

of the key suspects of the Paris terror attacks in

:17:56.:17:58.

which 129 people were killed. Police are searching

:17:59.:18:01.

for Brussels-born 26-year-old It's emerged that he was questioned

:18:02.:18:04.

in the hours afterwards Two more of the attackers have

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been named this morning. One was Samy Amimour,

:18:08.:18:12.

he was born in France, and the authorities were already

:18:13.:18:16.

looking for him after he broke bail in 2013 on terror-related charges,

:18:17.:18:20.

and Ahmad Al Mohammad, a Syrian French police have carried out more

:18:21.:18:23.

than 150 raids across They seized what they described as

:18:24.:18:39.

an arsenal of weapons including a rocket launcher.

:18:40.:18:41.

24 people have been detained and 38 weapons have been seized.

:18:42.:18:46.

In the last few minutes the French Interior Minister gave

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We found a number of military uniforms and rocket launchers.

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France has hit back against the Islamic State militant

:19:00.:19:02.

group in response to the Paris attacks, launching air strikes

:19:03.:19:04.

against their stronghold in the Syrian city of Raqqa.

:19:05.:19:06.

The defence ministry said 20 bombs were dropped in the raid overnight

:19:07.:19:09.

hitting targets including a command centre, a munitions depot

:19:10.:19:11.

Islamic State have claimed there were no casualties as a result of

:19:12.:19:19.

the strikes. It's emerged that Britain prevented

:19:20.:19:22.

an attack on the UK last month, It comes as more money is to be

:19:23.:19:24.

made available for the security David Cameron says

:19:25.:19:29.

an extra 1900 officers would help in what he called a generational

:19:30.:19:32.

struggle against extremism. The Prime Minister also told

:19:33.:19:34.

the Today programme that Britain should consider also joining air

:19:35.:19:36.

strikes on Syria. I support the action in Syria. We

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are part of the enablers for that. It is happening anyway. The question

:19:50.:19:53.

is whether we should go further and join that action. I have always said

:19:54.:19:56.

that I think it is sensible that we should. Isil do not recognise a

:19:57.:20:04.

border between Iraq and Syria and neither should we but I need to

:20:05.:20:07.

build the argument, take it to Parliament and convince more

:20:08.:20:11.

people. We won't hold that vote unless we can see that Parliament

:20:12.:20:13.

would endorse more action. A 16-year-old has been arrested

:20:14.:20:16.

on suspicion of attempted murder after a police officer was attacked

:20:17.:20:18.

in East London. The officer was stabbed

:20:19.:20:21.

in the stomach while responding to reports of anti-social behaviour

:20:22.:20:23.

in Tower Hamlets. Scotland Yard said the constable is

:20:24.:20:25.

in a serious but stable condition. Around 60 flood warnings remain

:20:26.:20:28.

in place across Britain this morning, but the most serious risk

:20:29.:20:33.

is believed to have passed. Torrential rain over the weekend has

:20:34.:20:35.

caused flooding in parts of Cumbria, The French national team travel to

:20:36.:20:38.

England today after turning down an offer to withdraw from

:20:39.:20:49.

tomorrow's friendly at Wembley, Like many sports stadiums

:20:50.:20:51.

around the world, the Wembley arch will be lit up

:20:52.:20:55.

in the colours of the French flag. Mercedes driver Nico Rosberg beat

:20:56.:20:58.

his team mate Lewis Hamilton for the second time in a row,

:20:59.:21:04.

winning the Brazilian Grand Prix. That secures Nico Rosberg's second

:21:05.:21:10.

place in the drivers championship. Andy Murray begins his ATP World

:21:11.:21:17.

Finals campaign later today. Murray hasn't had the ideal

:21:18.:21:20.

preparation for this event. The world number two is also looking

:21:21.:21:24.

ahead to the Davis Cup final against Belgium

:21:25.:21:27.

and faced the challenge of having to That is all the sport. Stories of

:21:28.:21:42.

people who managed to survive the attacks in Paris have emerged. We

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are joined now by a woman from Perth who survived the Bataclan attack.

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How are you? Shaky and jumpy but glad to be home. Tell us where you

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were in that venue when you heard the shooting began. We were right at

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the very front, to the left of the state, at the end of the barrier.

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What did you think was happening when you first heard the sounds? I

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knew it was gunfire, I knew we were under attack. Did you? I think a lot

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of people thought it was part of the stage show, that it was fireworks. I

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didn't feel like that. I knew it was a gun going off. What did you do? I

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looked over and I saw bullets hitting the bottom of the stage. My

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friend sort of smiled and looked like a lot of people were doing in

:22:36.:22:47.

the confusion. Instantly there was a second blast of bullets. At this

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point the band looked very confused. People started grasping and they

:22:50.:22:51.

automatically ducked down. I said to Christine, that is gunfire, run, get

:22:52.:22:57.

out of here, and we just ran. Where did you head to? We were about ten

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feet away from the exit, and if we had gone left, that exit would have

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taken us out into the street. We went right, into the backstage area,

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which is a maze of different rooms. And you ended up where? First of all

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we ran into this larger room. It looked like an equipment room. There

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was a little alcove and we thought, if we get our shoes off, we can run

:23:25.:23:29.

quicker. We had boots on and we were trying to get them off. We were in

:23:30.:23:33.

this little alcove and there was another door. We tried it and it was

:23:34.:23:38.

a door to a cupboard. There was another one we tried that was locked

:23:39.:23:51.

and the third one we ran down a couple of stairs, we tried that door

:23:52.:23:55.

and it opened and we ran in. It was the seller. We realised we were

:23:56.:23:57.

trapped. Could you hear what was going on in the menu above you? Oh,

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yes. It was just stampede and screaming and gunfire. You did not

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know if you had got to a place of safety because you did not know

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where the gunmen would go after that. No. Nothing felt safe at that

:24:10.:24:15.

moment in time. We went to run back out of the room but it was silly to

:24:16.:24:20.

stay in there, we were trapped, get out. As we went to run out, the door

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swung open and two other guys came running in. We shouted no, and we

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realised they were in the same situation as ours. They just shut

:24:35.:24:37.

the door. The room had one of those automatic sensor lights that just

:24:38.:24:40.

kept flickering on and off and we could not get it to go out. We

:24:41.:24:44.

thought we were going to have to smash it with our shoes or

:24:45.:24:48.

something. One of the Italian guys managed to get it off and we just

:24:49.:24:53.

ran to the very back of the seller and we crammed ourselves into the

:24:54.:24:57.

smallest space. We just waited in darkness. As you said, when that

:24:58.:25:04.

door open and you either shouted or thought no, for that second you

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thought potentially they were gunmen? Yes. Wow will stop -- wow.

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And how long were you in that cellar for crouched against the back wall?

:25:22.:25:27.

We did not get out until 1am. How did you know to get out? Did

:25:28.:25:34.

somebody come and find you? We heard somebody speaking in English, are

:25:35.:25:38.

you the police? Really the police? They confirmed they were. We don't

:25:39.:25:42.

know where that person was hiding but it was close to us. Then the

:25:43.:25:46.

Italian guys, who could speak very good French, told them that we were

:25:47.:25:56.

there, please get this out, two men and two women. When you are merged,

:25:57.:26:00.

could you see into the main gate area? No. They completely surrounded

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us and told us not to look down and to keep looking forward and we did

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not need to see anything. Obviously you do look down. We were shaking

:26:13.:26:15.

and we were looking where our feet were going and there was just blood

:26:16.:26:20.

everywhere. We knew that people were very injured very close to where we

:26:21.:26:26.

had been hiding. How do you reflect on what happened and the fact that

:26:27.:26:31.

you managed to escape? I feel a little bit guilty. You know... There

:26:32.:26:38.

were only four of us in that room. There was another room on the other

:26:39.:26:42.

side. It was similar to ours and there were 25 people crammed into it

:26:43.:26:47.

and luckily they all managed to escape as well after two hours.

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Worth their people out there that could have been in the room with us?

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-- could there have been people out there? It is every man for himself

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at that point. We had to be so quiet and we could not move. If anyone of

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us had moved we were potentially getting four people killed. Yes. And

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what do you think towards the men who did this? I mean, it is just the

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most cowardly thing to do, to walk in and shoot people in the back.

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That is what they did. They don't discriminate. There were people of

:27:24.:27:29.

all religions in that building. All races, all having a good time,

:27:30.:27:35.

uniting together in music. That is the last thing that you expect to

:27:36.:27:41.

happen to you. Does it make you think any differently about the

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weight you will... I think we are losing the connection but I will

:27:45.:27:53.

allow -- plough on. Does it make you think differently about the way you

:27:54.:27:58.

will live the rest of your life or is it too soon to think like that?

:27:59.:28:03.

It will certainly make you conscious. I don't think you can

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ever be as carefree again. We were walking down the street the other

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day and a guy made a sudden hand movement and we jumped out of our

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skin. It will take a while to get over loud noises. I have seen the

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footage of when the gunfire opened, when it all started, and that

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just... That scared me. I cast again, it was like reliving it. We

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have to get back to being normal. I don't think anyone is safe again but

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we can't have any fear. Thank you so much. I am really grateful for your

:28:39.:28:44.

time. She said that you have to get on with things but for her she will

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be less carefree. David Cameron has said today that he his prepared to

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make compromises with Russia in order to defeat the so-called

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Islamic State and find a political solution to the civil war in Syria.

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He has been speaking on the radio for Today programme. Of course we

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are using our military power in Iraqi, against Isil, and they have

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lost about 25% of the territory that they held. We are also using our

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hard military power to stop in their tracks the threats to this country,

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and we did with Hussein and indeed helping the Americans with so-called

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Jihadi John, who were all in Syria. On the issue of going further, I

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support the action in Syria. We are part of the enablers for that. It is

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happening anyway. The question is should we go further and join that

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action? I have always said that I think it is sensible that we should.

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Isil don't recognise a border between Iraq and Syria and neither

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should we. I need to build the Osmond, take it to Parliament and

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convince more people. We will not hold that vote unless we can see

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that Parliament would endorse that action because to fail on this would

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be damaging. It is not a question of damaging the Government. It is a

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question of damaging our country and its position in the world. I will

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build the case but in the end Parliament must decide. David

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Cameron is meeting President Putin at the G20 summit in Turkey today.

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In the last few moments he has told a press conference that they have

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agreed important steps to cut off terrorist financing and counter

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extremism ideologies. We will hear more from that press conference on

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BBC News. MI5 and MI6 and GCHQ will also get more funding to recruit

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nearly 2000 extra officers. David Cameron has urged President Putin to

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work with the international community in Syria. Let's talk to

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Liam Fox, former defence secretary, who wants Britain to take part in

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air strikes against Syria. Also with me is Yasmin Qureshi, who believes

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air strikes are not necessarily the answer. We also have two security

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experts, Chris Phillips from a police unit that supports the

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counterterrorism strategy of the Government, and Simon Trundle, a

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terrorism advisor. Welcome to all of you.

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Is Britain at War with Islamic State? I have been reticent about

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this term, war on terror, because it is suggesting it is finite and it

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suggests you can win a war on terror. I described in my book that

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we lived with the fear of the IRA, resort bombings, we saw what

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happened in Hyde Park, these are not new in terms of a particular

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phenomenon on, but what we are seeing is a different way it is

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being perpetrated. You are correct, Britain should have been involved in

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the air strikes, if they are a threat to the United Kingdom, and we

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have a way to degrade that threat, we should be taking it. And

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alongside that, parallel, diplomatic strategy that there is the

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information space, that is to do with the idle logical -- ideological

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battle, dealing with that side of things, then there is the physical

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battle space, and I think there will be a growing question as to whether

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the international coalition is working. They do have a territory

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they are operating from that needs to be denied to them. Bearing in

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mind what we've seen at the weekend, why are you still against air

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strikes against Islamic State in Syria? At the Foreign Affairs Select

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Committee we had an enquiry into this and we published a report.

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Talking to the experts on the ground and people who know what is

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happening in Syria and Iraq, for months we have been doing strikes,

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bombing in Iraq and Syria. Britain has not been bombing Syria. I don't

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have a problem with bombing the people who carry out these actions

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but the question is what we will achieve at the end of it. We have

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been bombing for months on end. But Isis is becoming stronger and one of

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the reasons is because President Assad needs to be dealt with as

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well, he is barrel bombing, he is killing, most of the people fleeing

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from Syria are fleeing from President Assad. Until we deal with

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him, and we come with a proper solution. Some are suggesting air

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strikes as a panacea. It is not. A lot of people need to concentrate

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their minds on this. You need to stop people joining them and stop

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giving them a lot of publicity and allowing them to go on the Internet

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and put out horrific things that they are doing which is trying to

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frighten people. Nearly 2000 security and intelligence jobs

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created. How much difference will that make? I feel guilty about

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putting a negative to positive because it is a good thing, but

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three years ago we had them in place and the security services have

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reduced the number of people. Back up to the capacity we had? We need

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to be careful about knee jerk reactions. We need these people all

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the time. Not just after an attack. It takes time to train these people

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and get them in a position where they can do their job properly. How

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prepared is the UK for Paris style attack? A lot of work has been done

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by the security services in preparation for this attack. It is

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dependent on intelligence. Hopefully you detect the attack before it

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takes place you can respond after the attack by rounding up

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supporters. You will never be prepared for every attack. They will

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have some success in terms of terrorism like Paris because it is a

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very low technology attack. It is men with weapons prodding through

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the streets. You cannot respond quick enough. What should citizens

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do if they find themselves in that scenario? If you hear something

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unusual, move away as quickly as possible. I'm advising people. If an

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attack starts off, close down your own entrance, so they are no longer

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a target. In terms of the French bombing, they destroyed a training

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camp and the munitions base, should Britain be joining in? I think we

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should show solidarity and join in, it is absurd that we are attacking

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them on one side of a nonexistent border but not on the other side. I

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think it is part of how we deal with them. Would make Britain more of a

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terrorist target? This is the mistake people make, these people

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hate us because of who we are, not because of what we do. What they

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said about France is, because of the intervention in Syria, that was a

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target. What about places that have been targets before? This sort of

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justification does not watch. These people have a very vicious ideology

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that is married to a religious fundamentalism and we must not allow

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the excuse to be made that it is our fault. You disagree? I agree with

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the fact it is not a justification, but I think it is a very simple

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thing to say that it is because they hate our way of life. Whenever these

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things happen, whether in London or Paris, these people always say, they

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give their explanation, if you think about all this terrorism that has

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been happening in the last number of years in the Middle East, most of

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the people who have died have been Muslim people. Hundreds and

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thousands of them have died. The issue here is, they say it is our

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intervention. The bombers of the London Underground were

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third-generation British. It was not someone else's country. We need to

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understand why jihadists are jihadists. They hate our values, our

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history, who we are as a country. They are using a perverse form of

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Islam to justify this and it has happened before in interventions.

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September the 11th in New York happened before there was any

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American intervention. We must understand and not make excuses. I

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want to bring viewers this breaking news being reported by Reuters,

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Belgian police have arrested the wanted suspect, Salah Abdeslam. This

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is the French national who was actually stopped and questioned

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after the attacks on Friday night, but the French police stopped him on

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the border and let him go. Thank you for coming on the programme, all of

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you. Surely these pictures of people gathering to observe a minute's

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silence to honour the victims of the attacks.

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Francois Hollande will lead the tributes in France in recognition of

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the many who lost their lives. People gathering across France to

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pay tribute and these images show you the Place de la Republique, the

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main gathering point. This is the silence in London.

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The Minister would like to thank you for your solidarity and solidarity

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of the British government is very important. That is the French

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embassy. In Trafalgar Square people are beginning to gather as well.

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Floral tributes have been laid as you can see. Bringing you that use

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again, being reported that Belgian police have arrested the wanted

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suspect, Salah Abdeslam. Back to Ben Brown in Paris.

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