19/11/2015 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Thursday, it's 9.15, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

Police searching for missing teenager Kayleigh Haywood have found

The French authorities say they still don't know

if the suspected co-ordinator of the attacks in Paris was among those

They say Abdelhamid Abaaoud was not among eight people arrested

during the assault on the building but they haven't identified

Calls for stricter controls on the sale of acid as the number of

Why was I a target in this way? It was wrong place, wrong person, wrong

time. Unfortunately, I opened the door that day and I believe they

panicked, threw it and ran. An acid attack victim tells us how

a case of mistaken identity nearly Hello, welcome to the programme,

we're on BBC 2 and the BBC News Hopefully you know by now that

your contributions to this programme are very welcome, more than that

actually they are integral. Very interested to gauge

from you this morning where you stand on junior doctors in their

dispute over their new contracts which England's Health Sec Jeremy

Hunt is going to impose on them. This morning we're expecting the

result of their ballot on strike action; it's expected a majority

will vote in favour of all-out Forensic specialists are trying to

work out if the man said to have planned Friday's deadly attacks in

Paris is one of those killed in yesterday's huge armed police raid.

Is Abdelhamid Abaaoud dead? Last night, the French prosecutor said he

didn't know yet. He wasn't among the eight people arrested in the raid

but human remains haven't been identified. A woman blew herself up.

It's reported that she is Abaaoud's cousin and another suspect was shot

dead with 5000 rounds of ammunition fired yesterday in Saint Denis. Were

joined by our guest now. What is the situation? I have no

doubt that the debate, which will start in the Parliament, that

there'll be total unity behind the Prime Minister in order to respond

to give the proper response to the attacks that we are sustaining at

the moment. You mean to extend the state of emergency across the

country? Yes, absolutely, to be extended up to three months, that is

what the Prime Minister is going to be looking for. Of course, we need

to have a balance as to the measures that are taken that will not impede

on their civil liberties, but at the same time, I think what we are

facing at the moment is too serious not to be taking extreme measures.

Does the Prime Minister have new evidence to suggest that a chemical

and biological attack on France is a possibility? Well he wouldn't make

this announcement if he didn't have the information. We have to

understand that since last Friday, the Intelligence Services are now

sharing information which was not the case before. I think we need to

be very aware as to what is happening and certainly protect the

population here. It's not just French people, it's anybody living

in France or indeed Europe at this stage.

You may be aware, Senator, that the Washington Post newspaper this

morning is saying that one of those killed yesterday is Abdelhamid

Abaaoud. They have that information from two senior European officials.

When will you know if it is Abdelhamid Abaaoud? Well,

unfortunately, two bodies have not been identified yet and I think the

French authorities want to be extremely careful before giving the

information and need to identify the last two bodies before they can give

that information or confirm it. You said Intelligence Services are

sharing information. What is your view of the security failures that

alloyed the suicide bombers to kill 129 people when most were known

radicals and France had been warned of an imminent attack?

I think it's not proper to talk about failure. How would you

describe it? Six attempts were foiled. The way these people are

able to move, I mean, they after all came from Belgium and the

Intelligence Services in France were working on the French territory. Now

that is why I am saying that there is sharing of intelligence between

countries which is making the difference. These people who came

from Belgium, we know that they went to Syria, that is where they

trained, and it's these movements now, at the European level, that we

need to be able to follow. France since last January was asking for

the sharing of this information and didn't get support and maybe

unfortunately the events of last Friday will kick start new

cooperation at European level. But aren't you alarmed that Jihad is

were able to drive from Brussels to Paris before the attacks and then

from Paris to Brussels after the attacks without anyone apprehending

them? Yes, but there are many roads

leading to Belgium and it's possible that they could not be detained at

every corner... But what if Abdelhamid Abaaoud was stopped and

let go? Things went very, very quick lid and they were in a state of

shock and services were concentrating on trying to prevent

if there were other attack about to take place in Paris itself. That's

where the efforts were. We'll bear with you with your ear piece.

OK. It sounds like you're almost making excuses for your Security

Services? No. I think, you know, we are going

through very hard times and instead of looking back to yes, there may be

witnesses and we are making sure we are working towards resolving things

and moving forwards, we started this interview with the threats of a

chemical attack which is going far beyond what anything has happened

before and what anybody has experienced, so I think we need to

concentrate our efforts as to what we need to do. We need to protect

the population, we need to find a resolution in the conflict in Syria.

This is where after all these people are training, this is where they are

recruiting among the French youth today and indeed beyond the French

youth. We know that we have thousands of people who have gone

through Syria from all the European countries, so we need to be on all

fronts at the same time and indeed identify maybe witnesses and things

that didn't go right and it's moving forward where we need to

concentrate. Can you explain how extending the state of emergency for

another three months would protect French citizens from potentially a

chemical or biological attack? Well, first of all, it's giving

Paris to the police, that they don't normally are, in order to be able to

arrest people, to assign them to their homes, to be able to carry out

raids without having to wait for days or sometimes weeks until they

have the proper authorisations and so on. It's to move quickly and

that's what we need to have in the next three months, to be able to

dismantle the networks and we know that there are a small number of

cells, small groups of people that are mobile and we need to be able to

able to dismantle those. It's striking at those that are here and

hoping that our European partners are dog the same, because these

people, as you said earlier, are able to cross borders -- doing the

same. They are crossing borders without being arrested and that is a

problem. Thank you very much for talking to

us this morning Senator Elaine Conway-Murray from the ruling

Socialist Party, a former Foreign Affairs junior minister as well.

All 129 people who were killed in Friday's shootings and bombings

But how do people in Paris who were caught up in the attacks even begin

In a moment we'll talk to a doctor who deals with trauma but first the

husband of a victim called Helene has written a letter to her killers.

It's been shared so far over ten million times.

How do survivors and relatives of those killed try to adjust? Research

says people exposed to such trauma can experience post-traumatic stress

disorder. Let's talk to Dr Chris Brewin from University College

London. How do experts help people who've experienced what we saw on

Friday night in Paris? Good morning. We have heard from that very

eloquent extract that people are already finding their own ways to

cope with what's happened. I think professionals shouldn't rush in and

assume that their help is wanted or even desirable at this early stage.

There will be some people who want professionals to talk to, they are

going to want very practical advice, knowledge about how they might react

emotionally towards what's happened, whether there's anything they can do

to help themselves, but the pa generate of the this stage will

probably want to find their own way of getting over what's happened with

their family and friends. In the long-term, this is when it's really

important, there'll be a minority who don't we cover well from what's

happened and they are going to need our help in the future. What might

that involve, Dr Brewin? Well, it involves trauma focussed

psychological help, so this is not just general counselling, it's not

enough just to send someone to a counsellor, you have to send someone

to a person who has been trained specifically to deal with

post-traumatic reactions and involves confronting the reactions

in a very structured involves confronting the reactions

that enables the person to involves confronting the reactions

Can you give involves confronting the reactions

insight? Yes. So, for horrifics of images and thoughts

that come into their minds of the traumatic scenes they have witnessed

or of moments when they have feared they were going to die. Those

moments and images are often so distressing that people do anything

not to think about them. But if we don't think about them at

all, then they can cause problems, so for those people who don't

recover naturally, part of the treatment involves actually helping

them and supporting them in confronting those very, very

difficult moments and actually getting through them.

Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Dr Chris

Brewin. Some messages from you about that letter. Ben says, beautiful,

absolutely beautiful and more than just the words. Many people can take

from his example. Gordon says, a brilliant tribute and Joanne says,

this young man and father is a saint living in this world of confusion.

An inspiration to many. And Henry sends a message to say, I would give

this man a medal for his bravery and a hug from all other decent, right

minded people in the world you live by the instruction, love one another

as I have loved you. Thank you for this.

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon says she is prepared to

listen to the case for extending air strikes against IS in Syria.

We'll have the details and ask how significant her intervention is.

Coming up - we'll be talking to a man who grew up with so-called

Jihadi John - the British IS militant thought to have been killed

We'll hear his unique insight into what caused Emwazi to become

The French Prime Minister has warned this morning of the danger of

a terrorist attack in France using 'chemical and biological' weapons.

French MPs are debating extending the country's current state

of emergency for a further three months.

Police in Paris are trying to establish if

the suspected ringleader of Friday's attacks was killed in a raid

Abdelhamid Abaaoud was not among eight people arrested but

at least two bodies are still to be identified.

Police searching for missing 15-year-old Kayleigh

Haywood have found a body in a field in Ibstock, in Leicestershire.

Two men - aged 27 and 28 - are being questioned on suspicion

They have been granted an extra 24 hours to question them.

Scientists are warning that the world is on the cusp

of a "post-antibiotic era" after finding bacteria resistant to

drugs used when all other treatments have failed.

They said the bacteria identified in China would spread and could

More in just a moment. There are calls on better controls on the sale

of acid at the number of people attacked by the substance has

doubled. We will hear from a man who was attacked in a case of mistaken

identity. Democratic Unionist leader

Peter Robinson has announced that he'll step down as

Northern Ireland's First Minister Mr Robinson made the widely-expected

announcement in an article The results of a strike ballot

of junior doctors in England are It's predicted that the vote, in a

dispute over pay and working hours, Hugh has all the sport now, and some

interesting comments from the chief Good morning - there's lots to

talk about in sport today. We'll start with football

and Richard Scudamore - the Premier League Chief Executive

believes the time is right for a player at the top level to

reveal their homosexuality. He says a gay player would

be welcomed and there would We'll hear what he has to say

in more detail after 10am but it would be a big test to see

how far the game in this country has come since former Norwich striker

Justin Fashanu revealed he was gay We have news on Russia's Anti-Doping

Agency - they've been suspended It could have big rammifications

for their participation In Rugby Union,

the legend that is Richie McCaw has The New Zealand captain won two

World Cups and was victorious in 131 He could be remembered

as the greatest ever. Elsewhere,

there's some news on Tiger Woods and next year's Ryder Cup and an

impromptu haircut for Andy Murray! You have to see this one, coming up

just after 10am. Thank you. Scientists say they're extemely

worried by the discovery in China of bacteria that are highly

resistant to antibiotics. Let's get more from the World Health

Organisation's Dr Liz Taylor. The consequences are massive?

Explained to the audience what has been discovered. What is reported in

the Lancet this week is that Colston, a drug that we use as a

treatment of last resort, when other and idiotic that failed to treat

common infections, we're getting resistance. -- collistin. Not only

resistance but it is a type of resistance that is likely to spread

very quickly between different strains. So, the treatment of last

resort, one of the few drugs left in the store cupboard, may very rapidly

across the world become less effective. Which means what? Simple

treatments that we have got used to, the revelations of 20th-century

medicine, hip replacements, transplants, chemotherapy, even

simple things like a Caesarean section, will become much more

risky. Because the ad to be six that prevented infections, but it really

when people's immune systems were compromised, will not work. Will

those kind of operations have to stop? They will be more risky and

people will have to make a harder choice. At the moment they are very

safe. It is a big issue for developing countries when they don't

have the money to pay for new, expensive drugs so across a world we

have to take this threat very seriously. This story is important

as it illustrates the importance of animal health. Although it is a

global health threat to humans, we in the Health Committee -- community

cannot deal with this on our own, we have to work with national

governments in a collective effort to address this. About two thirds of

Adam Beard exclusively are consumed by animals. Not just sick animals,

which they need as much as humans, but as a growth promoter. -- and to

be ticks. -- and to be tickeds. That needs to stop now? In the developing

world people want cheap protein and meet but it is starting to be at the

cost potentially a fume and health in the near future. So those in

agriculture and farming, I wonder what the reaction might be? Well,

we're working very closely with the FAO and the like and we have an

action plan between these organisations to address this to

start to ensure responsible use and good infection prevention and

control across the human - animal spectrum. This is a major challenge.

Thank you for talking to us, Dr Liz Taylor. We will have the results of

the ballot of junior doctors in England, widely expected to back

strike action in a row over contracts and play. We will talk to

some of them after the result. The prospect of Jewish planes dropping

bombs in Syria could be one step closer. Norman Smith is at

Westminster. This is because of the intervention of Nicola Sturgeon of

the SNP? It is because the working assumption amongst ministers was

there was no chance of the SNP backing air strikes in Syria, their

party conference last month overwhelmingly voted against any

military intervention and talking to their MPs, they have been pretty

clear that there is a UN resolution, they will not back it and even if

there was a UN resolution they may not. Last night, Nicola Sturgeon

seemed to adopt a much more conciliatory approach, saying, I am

listening, I am not convinced but I am prepared to consider Mr

Cameron's arguments and to listen to his arguments and the UN issue, she

said she did not want to adopt a will rise to position. You just got

the sense that she was edible. Have a listen... I am prepared to listen,

given what has happened, it would be irresponsible not to do that but I

think it is incumbent on the Prime Minister, if he is to bring a

proposal for air strikes, but he makes that case and addresses that

case and these key points, not just raised by the SNP but by the foreign

affairs committee. What is interesting about her position is

not just that she is sounding much more sympathetic to the government

case but people around us say that she will decide how the SNP votes,

she will determine their policy and whether they backed the government

so, actually, her attitude is critical and from the government's

perspective, this is a huge boost to their chances of getting a vote for

action. What is a government saying in public and private? I am struck

by the confidence, actually, that they think they can get this vote.

It is striking, they take the view that Paris has changed everything,

that people previously who would not consider military action are willing

to look at it because of the nature of the atrocity and because of the

view that Isis are entirely different to Iraq and Saddam

Hussein, so much so that one very scenic government minister who

cannot name because the quotes were off the record, yesterday he said

bluntly, we are going to war. And he went on to argue that because the

British planes have more accurate bombs, the so-called Brimstone

bombs, but would result in fewer civilian casualties so he also told

me that Syrians will be praying for the Brits to do the bombing. You get

some sensitive government, they are of the view that they can win this

and therefore, I would suspect a vote will be sooner rather than

later. We're going to war. What about the Labour Party? They are the

key players because we know that there is a clutch of Tory MPs who

will not back Mr Cameron so he will need the support of opposition MPs

so what Labour does matter is, and Jeremy Corbyn is instinctively

opposed, may but a lot of Labour MPs are like Nicola Sturgeon, they are

willing to listen to what the government says and they are

pressing for a free vote on the issue so that MPs can vote whichever

way they want. Last night, Ken Livingstone, who is chairing their

defence review when he was asked by Emily Maitlis how he felt about

Labour MPs like Emma Reynolds who wanted to vote for action, whether

they should be a free vote, he dismissed that. Listen... Emma

Reynolds told us they should be a free vote on Syria. Do you agree?

Absolutely not, if you are talking about military action, the Labour

Party has two have if you for or against, saying a free vote, I

support her right, if she wants to vote against it, because I often

did, and it is going to depend the end of the day on the package that

Mr Cameron puts on the table. It will have to be more than air

strikes, there will have to be a coherent and dramatic Scottish, not

necessarily including the UN resolution, there will have to be a

plan for after Isis being destroyed, what replaces them so we don't end

up like an Iraq situation with chaos and he will have to address the

legality of air strikes but if he can put together a package that

addresses all of those questions, I think the way things are looking, he

will get their vote in favour of action and we will be involved in

bombing IS in Syria. Thank you very much, Norman Smith at West Mercia.

-- at Westminster. There are calls

for tighter laws to crackdown on the sale of acid as figures show

the number of people being admitted to hospital after being attacked

by corrosive substances has doubled Wayne Ingold had acid thrown in his

face in a case of mistaken identity. One of his attackers was jailed

for 5 years and the other sentenced Wayne tells us how close

he came to being blinded. As you might expect some of

the images in this film are graphic, The pain itself, I suppose,

was like having lots of tiny knives The acid was so strong,

it actually ate through one I was actually told by my surgeon

that if I hadn't been wearing these This is where I used to live,

on the right-hand side. On that day in August, walking

down the communal walkway, Aaron Another lad was hiding there,

Jake McCabe, he ran round with It looked like a sports drinking

bottle, like a Lucozade type thing. And I thought, why are you

throwing orange juice on my face? The smell of it took me back to my

school days, in the chemistry lab. And the pain was unbelievable, and

I'd turned up, put my right hand up to my face, and I turned to run back

to my flat, and they kept throwing I ran into the ensuite and looked

into the mirror, and my face had turned yellow, and it looked

like it was melting candle wax. So I picked the phone up, dialled

999 to get the police and ambulance I am panicking by this time,

the pain was immense and I just didn't know what to do, whether or

not to put water on my face or not. After about ten minutes,

the police turned up, so I went outside, the police got out of

the car, one of them was actually Then the paramedics turned up,

and they immediately started to wash me down for about half an hour in

freezing water to try to neutralise the acid, and they said to me if I

had washed it off, and it was an alkali solution,

it would have continued eating So I was just lucky

I didn't do that. On the actual day of the attack,

the attacker threw the acid into my face, and I put my hand up because

of the pain, and to protect myself, and then the acid hit my hand, then

all down my arm, and I turned to run, and it hit my shoulders as

well, making its way down my back. On my right shoulder, the burn was

so deep they had to cut away quite a bit of flesh, and they refilled it,

so I was told by him, with cow fat. Then they took

a large skin graft off my left leg, and obviously they operated,

and they stapled the skin to my It affected

my life quite badly within the first couple of months, because

I was scared of repercussions. And, because of that,

I couldn't go back to my home. A few years ago, it seemed to me

there was a lot of gun crime about, there was knife crime,

and it seems people are going into So I'm looking now, it is just

amazing how many different types Wow, here we go, 73,500 results on

here, and I have chosen two bottles. It is scary how easy it is and how

cheap it is, that is in the basket. So

until the government does something about this, more and more people are

going to get attacked and maimed. There's a number

of reasons why there is an increase One is the easy availability

of acid, and two, acid has become a weapon of choice,

because it causes severe physical It is a very visible form

of an attack, so a survivor will actually face social

stigma because of their appearance, and that, for some appalling reason,

perpetrators find attractive as a I got a letter here, which I was

given by the police yesterday, which was written by one of the guys

who actually threw the acid into my face, and I'll read it to you, it

says "Dear Mr Ingold, I am writing to say that I am sorry

for what happened to you, and I had to do it as my life and my

family's life had been threatened. I owed a lot of people a lot

of money, so I was pressured I hope you can one day forgive me,

and during my sentence I plan on working

on myself to become a better...", Doesn't say what he is going

to become a better... "I hope that one day you can forgive

me. Well,

there is a simple answer to that. After 14 months of calling me

a liar, which his barristers did in court to me, I was a liar, I was not

telling the truth, that it was him, I suppose one thing, he has actually

admitted he has done it to me. So I suppose that is one good thing,

that I know it was definitely him. If you look over the last ten years,

the number of attacks have doubled. However,

over the last five years there has That doesn't mean it is not an

offence that we target, an offence that we actually look to prevent,

because one of these attacks is one Actually preventing someone buying

the materials used in these offences is impossible

for us, the legislation isn't there So, powerless to prevent

individual attacks, possibly. It is about gathering intelligence,

about ensuring that we know as much information as possible about where

these offences occur, which is why it is so important that people do

report these offences to us. I can't forget them, because

they have scarred me for life. Every time I get ready for bed,

I have a shower, What could help, in terms

of reducing the number of attacks in the UK, is the government

controlling the sale of acid. At the moment,

acid is far too easily available. There should be

a tighter control over the sale of acid, which means introducing

a licensing system, preventing cash sales of acid, which would help make

potential perpetrators think twice When my family saw me, shock,

and why, and why the hell have I And now we know, it was wrong place,

wrong person, wrong time. and I believe they panicked,

and just threw it, and ran. We still don't know what

the real motive was. I don't think we ever

will find out now. We asked for a Minister of The Home

Office to take part in that film but they declined. They said:

Since the events in Paris on Friday, we have heard a lot about the

militants responsible, why were they radicalised and what can be

militants responsible, why were they stop people wanting to commit

militants responsible, why were they similar atrocities? One man with a

view on that is Allan Hennessey who went to the same mosque as Mohammed

Emwasi, known as Jihadi John, killed in a drone attack last week. He grew

Emwasi, known as Jihadi John, killed up on the same council estate as

Emwasi in London and you too believe that you were susceptible to

potentially being radicalised, tell us why? So, I grew up on the same

estate as Jihadi John. We went to the same mosque. Our fathers took us

there. Our mothers shopped for fruit and veg on the same market and my

brother and Emwasi went to if same school. I could have been

susceptible to radicalisation because, sliek many other people on

the estate, I spent much of my youth being disaffected. What were you

frustrated, angry about? So, I'm now studying law at Cambridge but before

that, I... Before I went to Cambridge, I only knew five, six

white people and, on that estate, wherever you looked around, wherever

there was poverty and wherever there was suffering, you always associated

it with your own kind, with other brown people, other Iraqis, with

other people where I'm from, other Middle Eastern people, other

Muslims, and it's that sense of collective persecution.

So you felt persecuted, you believe Emwasi felt persecuted, Yet you took

a different path. I don't know whether he felt persecuted. The

problem is, it's so difficult to carry out a

problem is, it's so difficult to know. On my first day of law at

Cambridge, they gave us an example of me inviting you to my house for

dinner, you getting run over by a car, who has caused your death, if I

didn't invite you there, you wouldn't have been run over. That

simple example already forces us to interrogate questions of

responsibility and culpability and fault. So when it comes to the

radicalisation of young British Muslims, it's an equation already of

too many variables, so it's very, very complex. And difficult to

answer. But you, who grew up in similar circumstances to Mohammed

Emwasi have a particular insight into those circumstances? I do. I

think what captures radicalisation to a certain extent is a brilliant

quote by Frederick Douglas and it's as relevant today as it was when he

was campaigning for the abolition of slavery, he says "where justice is

edied, ignorance prevails and where any one class is made to feel like

society is an organised conspiracy to oppress, degrade and rob, neither

persons nor property will be safe". OK, at this point I'm go dog say to

you, there are thousands of people who may feel disaffected, thousands

of people living in poverty, there are thousands of people who might

feel persecuted, it's still a big leap from that to going to Syria and

beheading fellow countrymen and women? Well, that is the problem,

you see, with the British discourse on radicalisation, it's always easy

to turn around and say, well, white working class boys in Middlesbrough

aren't being radicalised, why are brown or black British Muslims being

radicalised in Hull or Birmingham or whatever... Why is that an

illegitimate comparison? As Frederick Douglas put it, it's about

people eats feelings. There is a tendency to, in the narrative, to

try and detach feelings from rationality, from feelings from

people who want to have really tight intellectual arguments and they

don't want to consider people's feelings. People feel persecuted.

There is a great African proverb quash if you do not have the young

men in your tribe, they'll banish down to feel the heat.

So what do you suggest for stopping people feeling persecuted? There is

an assumption that British Muslims are a homogeneous group and they are

really not. There are around two million Muslims in this country, 56

nationalities and 70 different languages. That's so much diversity.

But what I should say is that British Muslims are amongst some of

the most deprived groups in the country. Why is that do you think?

Well, the statistics tell it all, 50% live in the most deprive areas,

child poverty is rife, 42% of children live in overcrowded

housing, 35% of children live... Aren't you doing the cause in effect

that you were saying earlier is one of the hindrances here? Absolutely

not. This is about what I was cautioning against is the

comparative exercise between different classes in society. Here

I'm looking at the Muslim population, 35% of children grow up

with parents unemployed, 9% of Muslims are overly represented in

our prison system, 9% make up the population but Muslims are only 3%

of the general population. It's about feelings and, in a

consultation paper to the Government, it was reported that 80%

of Muslims felt they were the subject of Islamophobia and 66% felt

they were discriminated against. It's really about people's feelings.

This isn't about intellectual masturbation, it isn't about

rational arguments because no-one can rationalise this. I spoke to

Shami chat radio barty about it. From the human rights organisation,

Liberty? Yes. We realise that it's about people's feelings -- Shami

Chakrabati. There is a distinction to be drawn between religious and

political Islam. Religious Islam and Islam as an idealogy, and

disaffected, once you convert disaffection into radicalisation,

you see the individual moving from religious Islam, trespassing on to

the turf of political Islam. There are so many peaceful British Muslims

around. My mum is one of them. There are so many more. Isis does not

represent the true spirit of Islam. Don't get me wrong, like religion

has proved over many, many, many centuries to be divisive and qui

destructive. But in these very, very troubling and sensitive times where

there has been a lot of knee-jerk racism towards British Muslims and

where lots of people have been closing for us to close our borders

to refugees, we need to tell people and the message needs to be put out

there that the fights, the Isis does not represent British Muslims and it

doesn't represent the refugees desperately trying to flee from Isis

themselves. Thank you very much.

We will have details of a new clinic that could change the lives of

children -- women with a genetic mutation linked to certain cancers.

Time for the weather night with Carol. It is getting chilly! We

often have that conversation and it is because of this jet stream. It is

fast-moving air in the atmosphere, by about five miles, it has been

coming in from the west but we can note the change in direction,

straight down from the north so dragging in Arctic air, hence the

cold weather. Snow? For some of us, yes. You are good at this! Over the

next few days with milder conditions, the cold air sweeps

right across the British Isles and we will notice the difference. To

give some idea of temperatures, yesterday, part of the UK had highs

and 16 Celsius and by the time we get to the weekend, look at that.

Freezing! And when you add on the wind-chill, it will feel closer to

freezing or even below. Get the heating on, put it on tomorrow! I

will, thank you! I will see you later! Today is the last day of the

dry weather. We have a couple of weather fronts across Scotland and

southern England, producing rain and showery outbreaks. Look at those

isobars, opening up so it is breezy rather than windy Underwood has been

a windy start to northern England. Some of the showers will merge to

give longer spells, here it is coming across Wales and southern

counties of England, drifting from the west to the east and in between,

bright spells, sunshine and showers. Into the afternoon for Northern

Ireland, this is the scenario, not a bad day at all. In a lot of dry

weather and a few showers. The most prolific showers across northern

Scotland but we will also see a lot in the West. Eastern Scotland seeing

something drier and brighter and for Northern England, bright spells,

sunshine and showers but further south, behind this band of rain,

quite a lot of cloud, showers at times, not feeling particularly cold

and as we go towards the south-west, more rain coming our way across the

Isles of Scilly and into Cornwall, Devon and Somerset. Showers moving

across the Bristol Channel into North Wales, which will see

something drier and brighter and through the night, this weather

front will take a swipe at Southern counties, introducing some rain

across the Channel Islands, showers turning increasingly wintry across

the north of Scotland turning increasingly wintry across

showers across Northern Ireland and North of England.

showers across Northern Ireland and south, taking showers with the

tomorrow. The head of that, dry weather around, sunny spells around

and a weather front for the south coast, but it will be mild. Behind

that, culture and, again, increasing amounts of wintry showers. 6-10 in

the South but 3-26 in the North. From Friday night into Saturday

morning, we can see this chart, the wind picks up down the east coast,

snow across the North and East of Scotland and heavy bursts in lower

levels. We could wake up to snow in the southern goblins and the North

Pennines and down the East the southern goblins and the North

wintry mix. -- Southern uplands. Some snow to the north of London.

This will be exacerbated by that wind so gusts to gale force along

the wind so gusts to gale force along

inland in areas adjacent to that. That leads into Saturday, you can

see strong wind the match in That leads into Saturday, you can

evidence, showers across England and Wales and

evidence, showers across England and these areas, we are looking at a

cold day. 3-7 but when you add on to these areas, we are looking at a

like -3, so quite a change. Thank the wind-chill, it will feel more

like -3, so quite a change. Thank you. Good morning.

Good morning, it's Thursday, it's 10am.

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

Junior doctors are voted to take strike action over pay and working

hours. We can go straight to YouTube him who was at the DMA. -- Hugh Pym.

We had just got this result and 98%, a very overwhelming majority,

have voted in favour of strike action amongst junior doctors,

turnout was 76%. An overwhelming majority voting to take strike

action in this row over junior doctors and contract reforms. Three

dates have been set, the 71st, for 24 hours of a walk-out by junior

doctors in England affecting nonemergency care and on the eighth

and the 16th of December, daylong walk-outs affecting all forms of

care, and curling emergencies and that'll be the first time doctors of

what died on that scale affecting all care, in the history of the NHS,

although they make clear that consultants would be covering for

them. We have had reaction, Doctor Mark Porter from the BMA council

says the regrets the inevitable disruption but is the government's

insistence on imposing a contract that is unsafe for patients and

doctors know this has brought us to this point. There has already been

condemnation by employers. Thank you very much. We will bring your

reaction from junior doctors who took part in this vote in the next

few minutes. Also today... As the French Prime Minister warns

of the risk of attack from chemical or bacterial weapons,

one French senator tells us Of course, we need to have a balance

as to the measures undertaken that will not impede on civil liberties

but at the same time, I think what we are facing at the moment is much

too serious not to take measures. I will be reporting live from Paris,

the latest is that investigators are still trying to identify the bodies

of the terror suspects killed in yesterday's police raid. And around

Brussels, there have been 60 police raids this morning in connection

with the attacks here. We'll hear

from one man who was targeted He had acid thrown in his face. Why

have I been targeted? I was the wrong person at the wrong time. I

believe that they panicked and just through the acid and ran.

If you want to watch a longer version of that story you

can find it on our programme page - bbc.co.uk/Victoria.

Good morning. The menus. We have heard that junior doctors have voted

overwhelmingly in favour of strike action. The dispute is over pay and

working hours. Their union, the BMA, has called for talks with the Health

Secretary. The French by minister has warned that could be a chemical

or bacterial protect by is the, saying nothing could be ruled out.

He was opening a debate in Parliament on whether to extend a

state of emergency in France. This is a new war that transcends

borders, managed from a distance and a network. Isis, Michael Crider, in

documents, recruits, trains, and its members, conveys its message and

organisers. With one ultimate aim - to create and spread chaos. In

Paris, forensic experts are trying to determine whether a body

recovered in a police raid yesterday is that of the suspected ringleader

of Friday's attacks. Abdelhamid Abaaoud was not among eight people

arrested following the assault on a building in the north of the city.

Police searching for missing 15-year-old Kayleigh Haywood have

found a body in a field in Ibstock, in Leicestershire. Police have been

granted an extra 24 hours to question two men - aged 27 and 28 -

who were arrested on suspicion of murder. Phil Mackie is in Ibstock.

This is a Forest Park where the phone was fined on Tuesday, it has

been cordoned off. You can see police cars down this line, there

was hardly one lane, where you will not see police officer standing

guard. About one mile down the road, specialist teams are searching a

lake in the search for evidence. Caley went missing on Friday, she

was not seen alive since Friday, even after she was dropped. When you

buy yesterday that the police feared the worst and the family were told

it was a longer a missing person investigation but a murder

investigation. The family said that the hearts were breaking and within

the last hour, Leicestershire police said that two men who were arrested

in the early hours of Monday will continue to be questioned for

another 24 hours after magistrates extended the time to question them.

They were originally arrested on suspicion of kidnap and were

rearrested on suspicion of murder and that means by around lunchtime,

police must charge or release them. Thank you very much. Phil Mackie

reporting live. Scientists have found bacteria resistant to the

antibiotic used when all other treatments have failed. Experts say

the discovery in China means the world could be on the cusp of a

'post-antibiotic era' where some infections are untreatable. More

people than ever are being attacked by acid. The number of people being

admitted to hospital has doubled in one decade. It has led to calls for

better controls on the sale of acid. Democratic unionist leader Peter

Robinson has announced that he'll step down as Northern Ireland's

First Minister and retire from political life. Mr Robinson made the

widely-expected announcement in an article in the Belfast Telegraph.

Those are the main news stories and we can have the sport now... Good

morning. The Chief Executive of the Premier League says he believes gay

footballers would be 'treated with respect' if they choose to publicly

reveal their sexuality. Speaking to BBC Newsnight, Richard Scudamore

believes the environment would be entirely suitable for them to come

out. There have been no openly gay male footballers in England since

former Norwich striker Justin Fashanu 25 years ago. I think the

environment would be entirely suitable for someone to come out, if

that is the right phrase, and I think it would be welcomed and there

would be tolerance to it and I think the time would be right. Some news

just in... Ian Bell has been left out of the England Test squad has

been announced for the tour of South Africa. Batsmen Gary Ballance and

Nick Compton return to the squad while pace bowler Mark Footitt gets

a first call-up. Adil Rashid has been left out, with Samit Patel

taking his place as back-up spinner. There's no place for Liam Plunkett.

Rugby Union now and Australian Eddie Jones is close to becoming England's

first overseas Head Coach. Jones has held talks with RFU Chief Executive

Ian Ritchie. The 55-year old is understood to be keen on the job,

but needs to secure his release as coach of South African side the

Stormers. Well, as England close in on a new Head Coach one of the

greats of the game has called it a day. Following a glittering career,

New Zealand captain Richie McCaw has announced his retirement. The

three-time World Player of the Year played a world-record 148 Tests, and

led the All Blacks to two World Cup final victories, including last

month's win against Australia. I have done everything I wanted to do,

I had a hell of a time and I'm excited about what is next but there

no doubt that the boys going out there, it will probably hit home.

Russia's Anti-Doping Agency has been suspended by the World Anti-Doping

Agency. The move which was announced after a meeting of the Wada board in

Colorado was widely expected after an independent report accused

Russian athletics of "state sponsored doping". The IAAF have

already suspended Russia from international competition. The

compliance system we have, as you have heard, involved as talking to

organisations before we could declare them noncompliant and the

evidence we got did not help us in any way. It was quite clear they are

not compliant and they have been declared so today. We now start the

work with their assistance and, above all, their assistants because

the ball is firmly in Russia's court and they have to become compliant

and clearly we want to help them to do that. Andy Murray needs to beat

Stan Wawrinka at the ATP World Tour Finals tomorrow if he's to reach the

semi finals. That's after a disappointing defeat in his group

game to Rafael Nadal. Murray didn't look anywhere near his best against

the World number five, losing in straight sets - 6-4, 6-1. Nadal is

through to the last four after Stan Wawrinka beat David Ferrer in the

evening match at the O2 Arena. So, disappointment for Murray yesterday,

despite his best efforts during the match to make sure he was in the

best possible condition. Here's the British number one deciding to give

himself a bit of a haircut - apparently he had a few hairs

getting in his eye that he wanted to get rid of. You need a short back

and sides! And that's the sport - I'll be back with the headlines at

around half past. Thank you very much. Good morning and we can talk

about the news that junior doctors have ordered of 11 we to go on

strike on the 1st of December in a dispute over pay and working hours.

They are angry about new contracts. It would see them losing overtime

payments for evenings and weekends. We can talk to Dr Pippa Malmgren, a

junior doctor who abstained from the vote. And Dr Janis Burns. I'm sorry,

that is my fault, and you voted for strike action? Why? The reason I

voted for strike action is that I do not feel we are being listened to by

the Department of Health and Jeremy Hunt and we have tried using the

appropriate channels and engaging with him but with this new

contract, it still stands, and... Can you explain watching, what is

wrong with that? On the face of it, and 11% pay rise sounds absolutely

amazing! It is and if I was being given that,

I would bite Jeremy Hunt's hand off. The vast majority of doctors have

always received a 40 or 50% banding on top of my pay so if I have an 11%

increase, what is happening to the 29 or the 39% that's made up the

rest of my pay - there are going to be... So are you saying effectively

it's a big pay cut? Not necessarily a massive one but when you use the

national NHS employers pay calculator there is a concept of pay

protection - I require pay protection. The very fact that I

require pay protection tells you I will be having a pay cut, they have

to pay me a top-up sum to maintain my salary at the current level. So

despite the headline of it being an 11% pay rise, it's actually an 11%

pay increase on basic pay but I'll need pay protection to maintain my

current level of salary which that, you know, it doesn't take a genius

to realise that's effectively a pay cut being dressed up as a pay rise

which is wrong. Right. What has all that got to do

with patient safety which you and colleagues are saying the new

contracts will potentially risk patient safety which is potentially

worrying a lot of people? It's difficult to explain, but the way

it's tied in is, we as doctors, work long hours, it's a vocation, so if

I'm supposed to be finishing at 5 o'clock at night and my patient gets

sick, I will not leave. Equally, if I have a patient who it's decided at

5 o'clock needs to be discharged, I will stay late and do the discharge

summary. I don't mind, however it means we end up working much longer

hours than it is on paper. The current system allows for that. Our

hours are averaged over a period of a rota. Now, if what happens that we

happen to be working such long hours over a prolonged time, there are

financial disincentives for our em-Moyesers, they have to pay us

extra money. Overtime? Effectively, yes. So the new contract they are

proposing that will remove the financial disincentives, the

National Health Service and the Government only seems to understand

money so if you take away the financial disincentives, there is

absolutely no reason to make sure the hours we work are actually

reflecked on our rotas. In that sense, we will be left open to

exploitation working much longer hours and... But hang on a minute,

in terms of patient safety though, you are already working the extra

hours but you are saying you are getting overtime so how is that not

affecting risking patient safety? I wouldn't say we get overtime, I've

never received the additional payment because when the process has

gone through, there's been problems with it so I've never actually

received the overtime payment but the threat of the Trust having to

pay us extra money means they do something about it with the proposed

system though they'll get educational supervisors involved,

clinicians, doctors, they are going to subsequently be involved in human

resource management. They are not the people that should be doing that

job. There is no reason to stop us working the much longer hours that

we did in the past. In terms of patient safety then, a strike on

December 1st but the strikes on the 8th and 16th will be all areas,

including accident and emergency. That is going to risk patient

safety? Absolutely and the BMA have announced the dates far in advanced

which is required by law so they have allowed Trusts to make plans

for this in advance. We absolutely to not want anybody to suffer as a

result of this. But they might do? They might do. So how do you feel

about that? This result that's came out today is absolutely not a

victory. But you are acknowledging that people's safety might be at

risk because of the strike action. They might be. So what I'm hoping

from now on, moving forward, is that the Department of Health, Jeremy

Hunt, NHS employers, will see the strength of feeling, they will start

to listen. 98% of junior doctors are prepared to take part in a strike

action. That in itself has to tell you something is very, very wrong.

We are a caring profession, we are not in the business of harming

patients. The fact that we are 98% of those prepared to take part in

industrial action, strike action, not just industrial action but

strike action, has to tell you the strength of feeling and how gravely

we feel. But you are at risk of damaging your reputation? Of being a

caring profession? We are. So the fact we are prepared to take this

action has got to send a very clear message to the Department of Health

that this is wrong, there's something seriously wrong with this

contract. Dr Millington. 98% on a turnout of 76%, you abstained, tell

us why? Well, I felt it was an objectionable

choice between voting yes and no when either way seems to affect

patient safety. Voting for the strike, we don't know what the

effect will be, there's never been strike action on this scale,

unprecedented in the entire history of the NHS so we don't know what the

ever elect will be. At the very least, it will be inconvenient to a

lot of the patients and, as you have discussed here, it might put people

at risk of harm. I'm sure if anything comes out of this when

patients have been harmed the Secretary of State will use it

against us to say that we are uncaring and unprofessional and this

shouldn't have gone ahead. That is one thing to consider. But also I

think I couldn't vote no because it's such a great swathe of people

who are so angry about the changes in the contracts and want to see

things changed that there's a very real risk of an Exodus of junior

doctors from this country. That is the last thing the Government needs

if it wants a seven-day NHS. Matt on Facebook says, I can't make

my mind up if they are just a bunch of what I thinkers or if they have a

genuine cause of grievance. Emma says, I whole heartedly support the

doctors' strike, they have been overwork and taken for granted for

too long. Tweet from Michael, fully support the doctors in their action,

Jeremy Hunt's misled Parliament and the public with data consistently.

Scott says the patients depend on a safe and fair contract. Jeremy Hunt

could avoid strike action. You are clearly saying the ball is very much

back in his court? Absolutely. Is that not blackmail? I don't think

so. Putting this into context if we don't negotiate they are going to

impose the contract anyway, that's a form of blackmail as well isn't it,

you know. As I say, we are a caring profession. Every single day, you

know, as soon as I became a doctor and as soon as Pip became a doctor,

we signed up to being regulated by the General Medical Council and we

have duties as a doctor. The most important is to make the care of

patients our first concern. Overwell Mickth Mingly, that is what I do

every single day when I go to work. Even when I'm not at work, one of

the other ones I'm giving weight to is I want to promote the health of

the patients in the public and on this occasion if this contract goes

through, as a doctor, I'm not going to be in a position to make sure I

can adhere to protecting and promoting the safety of patients and

the public. So on this occasion I'm giving that more weight. Thank you

both very much. This lunch time, our Health

Correspondent will be with us to answer your questions on the

dispute. You can get if touch: This news just coming in. Detectives

investigating the fatal shooting of the policewoman even Fletcher

outside the Libyan Embassy in London back in 1984 have arrested a man on

suspicion of murder. The suspect, we are told, is in his 50s, detained

this morning in south-east England in a move that the police have

described as significant. The man is also suspected of money laundering

offences, as are two other people who were also arrested today. A

woman in her 40s and another man in his 30s.

All three are Libyan. Scotland Yard said the three

suspects are in custody and searches are under way across the country.

The police are also offering a reward of up to ?50,000 about the

information of the killing as part of what the Met was say was their

biggest Facebook campaign ever. Back to France. The Prime Minister

of France has this morning warned that terrorists such as self-styled

Islamic state militants could mount attacks using chemical and

biological weapons, following Friday's terror attacks in the

capital. He spoke during a debate on expanding France's state of

emergency to three months. He called for Europe to adopt measures on

sharing information on passengers on a way to -- in and out of the

country. This is what we have in mind. There is the risk from

chemical or biological weapons. This is a new war that transcends

borders, a war managed from a distance and on network. Isis, like

Al-Qaeda, indoctrine ates, recruits, trains, connects its members,

conveys its message and organises with one ultimate aim in mind, to

create and spread chaos. Let us go live to Paris where Ben

brown is. I wonder what the reaction there is to what the Prime Minister

said this morning, Ben? Yes. I think people are already on

edge here after Friday night, they'll be even more nervous now

after the Prime Minister talked about the possibility of IS

launching chemical and biological attacks, as you heard there. We have

just heard that a decree was passed by the Ministry of Health the day

after the attacks on Friday, so in other words on Saturday, allowing

emergency services here in France to stock and buy chemical antidotes to

chemical weapons, atropine sulphate stocks, an antidote to a chemical

gas attack so it's obviously something being taken really

seriously by the authorities here, but very alarming that warning from

the French Prime Minister. Let's talk now to one of the people who

was first on the scene of the attacks on Friday night and who

helped people cope with the psychological trauma of what

happened, Dr Didier, the national coordinator for psychological

support in disaster situations in France, tell us what kind of help

you were able to offer to people who were obviously very traumatised,

searching for their relative Is after the attack or people who had

been caught up in the attacks? Yes, we first helped the families who

went to the hospitals where the wounded people were hospitalised in

acute care and surgeries. The principal hospitals in Paris, we

helped all the families who were very anxious. At the same time,

first persons who were in bat clan in the restaurants were transferred

also in emergency places and hospitals and also in the Town Hall

who were open in special events and we began to take care of all these

people who presented traumatic stress symptoms, very serious

symptoms. We also opened up a call line on our centre, the French

service for medical help, to offer all the possibility of emergency

consultations to all the people who felt very traumatised. I suppose

some of the people involved who escaped the attacks, but now have to

learn to live with what happens, they'll be traumatised for a long

time, perhaps for the rest of their lives? The purpose of our actions is

to avoid this time tidesation. If we can intensively follow them, see

them and, we hope in a few weeks or a little more, to avoid this signs

to remain chronic. We absolutely want to ahave had that. Desperately

difficult work for you -- to avoid that. Telling people their loved

ones are dead? Of course. How do you cope? How do you get through the day

when you are doing that, when you are working, you know, and helping

people to find out that sometimes their loved ones have been killd?

people to find out that sometimes Yes, it's one of the very difficult

moments of our work. We began that on Saturday and on the military

centre where we had the first bodies identified and we had to announce to

the families. This work is of course very, very difficult. We have many

teams who're strong enough to face this situation and we call to many

teams from origins of France to help us because it's important to change

the teams frequently so that they can support this work.

Thank you so much for talking to us and you say that you are strong but

it must be a globally difficult work. Any people in France will

salute the work that you are doing, on Friday night and the days

afterwards. Desperately difficult times for the medical teams

afterwards. Desperately difficult and the whole city is still trying

to come to terms with what happened a few days ago. Back to you. Thank

you very much. School trips to France are cancelled

because of security advice We'll speak to a teacher

who won't now be taking kids We'll have details of a new research

clinic which could revolutionise the lives of women with a genetic

mutation linked to certain cancers. Junior doctors have voted

overwhelmingly to go on strike in a The result in favour was 98%

on a 76% turnout. We are expecting the Health

Secretary's be sponsored in the next hour. Detectives investigating the

shooting of Yvonne Fletcher outside the Libyan embassy in 1994 have

arrested a man on conspiracy to murder. We can get more from our

correspondent. Dominic, you have been in a briefing? This is a

significance development here in Scotland Yard. The head of

counterterrorism said that this morning a man in his 50s had been

arrested at an address in south-east England on suspicion of conspiracy

to murder Yvonne Fletcher in 1984 and a further charge of

money-laundering and the said a woman in her 40s and a man in his

30s but also been arrested at addresses on suspicion of

money-laundering. This is a potential breakthrough for Scotland

Yard and they said they had never lost the hope of bringing this case

to some sort of conclusion and to achieve justice for Yvonne Fletcher

at her family after the shooting in 1984. There was a big illustration

outside the Libyan embassy and Yvonne Fletcher was one of the

officers involved in crowd control and shots rang out from the embassy

and she fell the fatal injuries and ten other Libyans who were opponents

of Colonel Gaddafi were also injured and alongside this arrest today,

Scotland Yard has launched what they describe as an unprecedented global

appeal on social media for information and the word about of

anybody who was at the embassy or who might have known about any

conspiracy to murder and critically, they are appealing to students who

were at the demonstration at the time who might have been supporters

of Colonel Gaddafi but because of the transition and the time and

change allegiances, might be prepared to finally tell the police

about what the know about what happened. The man arrested is being

held in police custody somewhere in London, we believe. We await to see

what happens. Dominic, thank you very much indeed.

The French Prime Minister has warned that Islamist extremists

could launch attacks using chemical or biological weapons.

Manuel Valls was speaking before French MPs decide

In Paris, forensic experts are still trying to determine whether bodies

recovered in a police raid yesterday include that of the suspected

The fate of Abdelhamid Abaaoud is still in doubt.

But it's thought a woman who blew herself up could be his cousin.

Police searching for missing 15-year-old

Kayleigh Haywood have been given an extra 24 hours to question two men

Leicestershire police have found a body.

Scientists have found a bug that's resistant to

the antibiotic used by doctors when all other treatments have failed.

Experts say the discovery in China means the world could be

on the cusp of a 'post-antibiotic era' of untreatable infections.

Democratic Unionist leader Peter Robinson has announced that

he'll step down as Northern Ireland's First Minister

The leader of the DUP had a heart attack in May but denies he is

leaving on health grounds. More people than ever are

being attacked with acid. The number

of victims admitted to hospital with injuries from corrosive substances

has doubled in a decade. It's led to calls for better

controls on the sale of acid. Let's catch up with all

the sport now and join Hugh with Good morning, again. The main

headlines... The Chief Executive of the

Premier League, Richard Scudamore, has told the BBC he thinks gay

footballers would be treated with respect if they choose to publicly

reveal their sexuality. Scudamore believes

the environment would be entirely Ian Bell has been left out

of England's Test squad to tour Batsmen Gary Ballance and

Nick Compton return to the squad while pace bowler

Mark Footitt gets a first call-up. Australian Eddie Jones is

close to becoming England's Jones has held talks with RFU chief

executive Ian Ritchie. The 55-year old is understood to be keen

on the job, but needs to secure his release as coach of

South African side the Stormers. New Zealand captain Richie McCaw

has announced his retirement. The three-time World Player of

the Year led the All Blacks to two World Cup final victories, including

last month's win against Australia. And Russia's Anti-Doping Agency has

been suspended by the world body, WADA, after an independent report

accused the country of I'll have more on BBC News

throughout the day. The fast-moving investigation

into finding those responsible for Friday's terror attacks

in Paris appeared to be coming to a head yesterday, as French security

forces mounted a huge raid on an Most crucially, what happened

to Abdelhamid Abaaoud? He is the alleged ringleader

of the attacks who was thought to The Washington Post has reported two

sources who say he was killed - but authorities are yet to identify

him officially. Our Security Correspondent Frank

Gardner is here. Is he dead? The only thing I can say

is he is not in custody and as of ten AMB French Interior Ministry say

they cannot confirm if he is amongst the dead bodies recovered from this

absolutely massive gun battle that took face yesterday and it has taken

some time because the floor collapsed, there is rubble and all

sorts of mess that they have had to recover things from Andy very first

people who will confirm this will be the French so I would treat with

some suspicion reports from the United States if they are not from

French officials, the Interior Ministry said they still could not

confirm it. Obviously, if he is not amongst the dead and is not in

custody, that'll be worrying because this person has been able move quite

freely dream Syria and Europe and his Arabic nickname is the Father of

Omar, the Belgian one. He is not mysterious, he has popped up on

social media, Isis or Daesh have boasted in videos that he is in

Syria and has been able to get back there and that might be a deception

plan to put off the authorities, who seem to be playing catch up. They

have done well in the last 36 hours to use mobile phone tapping and

tip-offs to actually track down where they think he was in that

double apartment in since Dennis. If he is not amongst the dead, he is

still at large and that is worrying for people. In terms of European

governments and the way they work together with intelligence, Philip

Hammond says that has to get better. How did the French operate compared

to the British? There are differences, even though they are on

the same side and Britain has got people embedded in the French

authorities, in their infrastructure, and vice versa, but

there are differences and I think one of the most glaring ones is the

week order controls and the fact that it is relatively easy for a

determined terrorist to get hold of powerful automatic rifles like

Kalashnikovs, these are mass murder weapon is not readily available in

the UK, it is much harder to get hold of them here because Britain

does not sign up to the open border agreement that France, Belgium and

continental European countries have got so weak border controls is one

thing. Then you have got the lack of really good intelligence sharing

between the police and intelligence agencies, since 2001 and especially

2005, in Britain, MI5 and the police work hand in glove, they used to be

in competition, letters would arrive from MI5 or the police saying we

would like you to hand over information about the following

person. Taken by a courier, it was almost Dickensian! This is in my

lifetime! That has changed. They have got people working jointly on

investigations together and they were quickly. The French do not have

that, there is still a lot of compartmentalisation, where people

work in their own bubble and do not necessarily sure things and that

extends to Europe, the Germans picked up a man with a car full of

Kalashnikovs and they did not choose to tip off the French. And there

were other tip-offs between the Belgians and French that should have

happened and did not. Also, the problem that is common to all the

intelligence and police and agencies is the sheer volume of casework they

dealing with. Syria has been going for 4.5 years, that war, and that

has generated an unprecedented number of suspects, including some

who have not been there but have been radicalised by what they see

going on and misguidedly think they can in some way serve the cause of

their own religion by blowing up innocent people, encouraged by

fanatics out there in Syria, who say, don't bother coming out, stay

where you are, do the attacks there. You are serving the cause by doing

that. It is becoming harder fought European jihadists to cross into

Syria from Turkey. Harder than it was done two years ago. I was

reading earlier this week, it takes something like 12-15 officers to

keep one suspect under surveillance? Over 24-hour 's? But is similar to

what I have heard, eyes on the street, and the person who you think

might be a beggar or a tramp, they were from MI5, it is also the

digital surveillance, watching what they do on social media, who they

are calling, internet cafes, and so on, and some of the people have

wrong we said that 400 people have come back from their and they are

all dangerous but that is not true, it is at an extreme end of the

spectrum of the danger. There is awesomely traumatised and want

nothing more to do with it and some even regret they went there in the

first place. Use coming in, this is from Paris, following instructions

from the police the Paris mosque is considering cancelling their call

together tomorrow to pay respects to the Paris attack victims. They are

still going to hold a prayer for France at 1pm but they are

considering cancelling the call together tomorrow. That is from our

colleagues in Paris. Thank you very much. You are welcome.

British schools planning to take groups to France over the next few

The Foreign Office issued the guidance in line with that of

David Hampson is from Tollbar Academy

in Grimsby that had cancelled two school trips to Northern France.

There you are! Thank you for coming on the programme. You are in the

process of cancelling two trips? We have cancelled on Tuesday evening.

At a meeting with parents, we made that decision. Based on the advice

from the Frenchman history that was on the UK website and there were

specific that they were cancelling all the school trips until the 22nd

of November and they recommended that education visits stop until

further notice. You did that before the British Foreign Office said it

was right thing to do? We were mapping the events from the weekend

and I made the decision in consultation with my principal and

also the trustees on Tuesday. And they held an emergency meeting with

the parents on Tuesday night to explain to them why I had made that

decision. People are in support? Tautly, the parents are in total

support, they were very pleased they had made that decision and please I

had taken the decision out of their own hands because you can imagine

there are lots of unhappy youngsters going on a visit to France, and

there were also your eight, 12 and 13 years old. They were not sixth

form or older. Thank you very much, David. I appreciate the time. Thank

you very much. This is just in to do with the vote

in fave of strike action by junior doctors. We had the vote just after

ten this morning. Overwhelmingly, 98% of junior doctors voted for

strike action in the row over pay and contracts, on a turnout of 76%.

This is a statement from their employers: Today's announcement is

disappointing and will result in thousands of NHS patients, their

families and carers being concerned that their planned care and

treatment will be disrupted during December. NHS organisations are now

working hard to keep disruption to a minimum but it's inevitable that

appointments will be postponed, surgery rearranged and clinics

closed. By taking the unprecedented step of not providing emergency

cover for two of their days of action, the BMA, the British Medical

Association, the union for junior doctors, are putting the NHS and

colleagues under even greater strain during one of Isth its busiest

periods, impacting even further on our ability to provide safe,

effective care for patients. At this late stage we call on the BMA to

return to talks. The new contract offers increases in basic pay,

concrete safeguards on working hours and pay protection to ensure doctors

won't lose out. The public will question why the BMA are causing

such significant disruption when the offer of talks remains open. Very

strong statement from NHS employers. The reaction to the vote earlier

this morning that junior doctors will strike on three separate

occasions, December 1st, 8th and 16th, in that row over pay and new

contracts. We are expecting to hear from the Health Secretary in the

next hour here on BBC News. A brand new research clinic,

has just opened this morning, which, it's said, has the potential

to revolutionise the lives of women with a genetic mutation; leading to

improvements in predicting the risk for and prevention of developing

ovarian and breast cancer in the UK, according to one particular cancer

charity, The Eve Appeal. It is inviting women with

a BRCA1 or BRCA2 gene mutation and their family members to visit the

clinic in London for annual samples to be taken to detect their risk of

developing ovarian or breast cancer. It's the first initiative

of its kind. Let's talk more about this with our

health correspondent Jane Draper. This sounds important, is it, as a

research project, significant? It is. It's about women who have the

faulty genes which put them at a 70-80% higher risk than usual of

greating breast or ovarian cancer. At the moment, some women opt to

have surgery to reduce the risk of the cancer even beginning, the sort

of thing that Angelina Jolie did. About 400 women a year in the UK

take that decision. It's important to remember that you can still get

breast or ovarian cancer for a host of other reasons, most cases are

nothing to do with your genes, the faults in the BRCA genes account for

up 2010% of the 51,000 cases a year. Ovarian cancer affects fewer women.

But it's really important, it really needs research buzz the survival

statistics are grim, 35% of patients are alive ten years after diagnosis

which is fairly depressing. So in terms of this new project,

what are researchers going to be looking at specifically? They are

trying to get 1500 women from the high-risk groups who will probably

know already from family history that they have a genetic problem.

They also want to recruit 3,000 women who have no reason to believe

that they have a problem, they are asking for a cheek swab and smear

test and they are going to look at the cells and see if they can get to

the bottom of how breast and ovarian cancers develop, what is going on in

the cells in the belong which is a growing area of Cancer Research --

biology. If the women have no reason to believe there is Something wrong

with them and it's found that there is, they'll of course be told.

The French President, Francois Hollande has been speaking in the

last few minutes. The context that we know takes a

particular meaning. Dialogue amongst cultures, the difference of rights,

the protection of the weak and then the resistance to oppression.

I have a thought for Jacques Chirac who cannot be with us today. But

he's always been present when it comes to the case of defending the

values of the republic. During his presidency, he faced terrorism as

well. Thinking about the attacks that hit our country in 1995. At

that time, it was the radical Islam that struck us. Today it's Daesh,

Isis, which is launching a war against us because we are France, a

country of liberty, democracy and culture. Because we have been the

first people in the world to proclaim that people are born equal

and free and expression of thoughts is men's rights. Isis has lodged a

war against our way of life, the art of living, to life and life in

France. France is conducting this war using its Armed Forces, military

whose courage I salute. It will conduct this war which its allies

and partners by using all the means to win this war like we did in Iraq

and like we are doing in Syria. France is conducting this war using

its policemen who, once again, intervened to show their dedication

and courage. They deserve the admiration and recognition of the

nation, the whole nation. We should come together. France is letting

this war with the French men and women without any distinction --

France is leading the war. They are concerned with the elected members

of the republic who met together at the mayor's meeting in France

yesterday. It is using this war with the law

and to guarantee a fundamental right. We'll never renounce to what

we are. Francois Hollande speaking in the

last few minutes as he attempts to special suede colleagues and

political opponents to extend the state of emergency across France for

a further three months. As the police in Paris question the seven

people arrested in yesterday's raid, a man whose wife died in the raids

last week has written an open letter to his killers. You may have seen

it, it's been shared by over ten million people. An into says he'll

never forget Helene, that he and his little boy will not be made to live

in fear or hate. An into spoke to the BBC about his

letter. Antoine spoke to the BBC about his letter. I have the same

feelings today as I wrote had when I wrote the letter. I don't know if I

will continue to feel the same way. What do I hope for my son? Helene

for everyone who knew her, it was all about her eyes, she had these

huge eyes, it was striking, big, shining open eyes full of life.

Our boy was born with his eyes open. He came out the front of his mother

with his eyes open. What I hope for shim that he keeps his eyes open for

the rest of his life. What I'm going to try and do for him is help him

keep his eyes open as he grows up and becomes a man, literature, art,

music, to open up to the world. To see the world through that prism and

not through their prism which tries to blacken everything, to set people

up against each other to make us us into enemies, which we are not, we

are just different. Thank you for your messages about

the strike action which will be taken by junior doctors, or rather

they have voted in fave of strike action, there are now calls for

talks for the BMA to get together with England's Health Secretary,

Jeremy Hunt. I was asking if you supported what they wanted to do.

Julie says, junior doctors have the promise of a well-paid career, they

should get on with it. Sympathy for them, this is what happens when they

are not treated with the respect they deserve. Testify the right to

withdraw labour, they are not slaves. I'm sure they are reluctant

to take action and I'm sure they have been given little option. Shame

on those who've abandon their responsibilities for the sake of

money and following their misguided union, the BMA. Those who do this

demonstrate their unsuitability and failure to live up to their oath. By

the way, I'm a retired physician, says Francis. Sell Wynn tweets they

earn a forture champion and are high when it comes to the pay tables.

Kenneth says, having a full team on duty seven days a week will ensure

that fewer people die. Why are doctors resisting reform

that saves lives? Sue says junior doctors should not strike. They'll

lose my respect if they do. There are many, many more of those. You

can see all shades of opinion. Thank you for those. This lunch time on

the News Channel, our Health Correspondent will be asking your

questions about the dispute and what the strike action could mean. Get in

touch. Thank you very much for being with

us today. Joanna is here tomorrow. Have a good day.