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Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 9.15, I'm Norman Smith in for Victoria.

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New money for housebuilding, cuts in police, social care

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and welfare - some of the announcements the chancellor George

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Osborne is going to make when he sets out his spending plans today.

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I'm David and I run a small business and unfortunately we are going to

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have more cuts. I'm Amanda, single parent, I received working tax

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credits. I'm a student, and I'm worried about getting on the housing

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ladder. Also on the programme -

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why are babies born during weekends in England more

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likely to die in the first seven We found there was a raised

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complication level at weekends, but also on Thursdays and Fridays.

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And after being in lock-down for four days over fears of an

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imminent terror attack - schools, public buildings and the metro are

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We'll speak to some of those affected.

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Hello, welcome to the programme, I'm Norman Smith in for Victoria

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this morning - and quite frankly anything could happen.

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As always we're on BBC 2 and the BBC News Channel until 11 and we'll

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bring you the latest breaking news and developing stories.

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The programme will be dominated by the government's planned

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Plus, more on how GPs are being urged to report older drivers they

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And we'll get a rare insight into life under so-called Islamic

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As always, keen to hear your views on all the stories we're covering -

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do get in touch in the usual ways - texts will be charged

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And of course you can watch the programme online wherever you

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How is the Chancellor going to make cuts of ?20 billion to government

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departments and a further ?12 billion

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We'll find out at around 1230 today when George

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Osborne stands up in Parliament to outline his latest spending plans.

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It's called a comprehensive spending review - but is effectively

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So what can we expect from the announcement?

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Overnight we have had a briefing about a huge push and housing. Today

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is more than about individual announcements -- huge push on

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housing. It is about what the next five years are going to be like, the

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benefits we may or may not get, the taxes we pay, the public services we

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received, how the economy takes long. How our businesses do. Today

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is big bananas for all of us. Let's have a look at what the Chancellor

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might do. He is likely to give cash to house-builders. We had a briefing

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about 400,000 affordable homes which the government would like built over

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the next five years, they will put aside ?6 billion worth of taxpayers

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cash to pay for that. Who else might benefit? The generals, soldiers, the

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military, they will benefit. Just the other day we have the Strategic

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Defence Review where there was the promise of an extra ?12 billion for

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the Armed Forces, and the military will be getting more. Spies, we are

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going to recruit around 2000 more spies to deal with the emerging

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terror threat, and if you're looking for a job, you could do worse than

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that at MI5. -- than look at. Nurses and doctors in the NHS, they could

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do well, we know Jeremy Hunt announced yesterday he was bringing

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forward spending on the health service, front loading it to try to

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ease it through some of the reforms. We have got the doctors strike

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coming up and winter is always a difficult time. But how do you pay

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for this? Huge pain elsewhere, I'm afraid. The police looked like they

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could be one group hit hard, and certainly the Chancellor, when he

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has been pressed about this, he has given no indication that he will

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protect the police, even though we know that these are very difficult

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times in terms of security. Who else might be hit? Social care, the help

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we give to our elderly, that could face a squeeze with signs that much

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of the burden will be shifted onto local authorities. Lastly, working

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families, in the budget we have the plans unveiled for cuts to tax

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credits which caused an almighty stirrer, suggestions that around 3

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million families, some of them could be losing up to ?1300 per year, and

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so there was a big row about that, the Chancellor under massive

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pressure to have a rethink. What do you want to hear from the

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Chancellor? We have an invited audience. We'll so have a Labour MP,

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Rebecca Long-Bailey, Chris Philp 's from the Conservatives, and Hannah

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Bardell from the SNP. -- Chris Philp from the Conservatives. We want to

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start with some of the people who have direct experience of the

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biggest round we are likely to get at this Autumn Statement, that is

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tax credits -- the biggest row. What difference do they make to you and

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what would be the implications if you lost them? I'm a secondary

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school teacher, and a single-parent 282 and a half -year-old. Under the

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plans which were unveiled -- single-parent to a 2 1/2-year-old.

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Tax credits go to pay half of my childcare costs which enable me to

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physically get out to work and that means that there is money left over

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the month for things like food, clothing and transport, which would

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not have been there because my salary is taken up by rent, council

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tax and childcare costs. Amanda, you also get tax credits, is yours a

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similar story? I'm a single parent, I work part-time for a small

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business, and I've been told I could lose between ?750 and ?1000 each

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year, which, although it is less than you, really that is food on the

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table. I don't save any money, because I just about budget

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correctly. What would you say, Chris? What would you say to Chris,

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a Conservative MP, and it is his government which is looking at, what

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is your message to him? First of all, I would say, I remember David

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is your message to him? First of do this before the election, so I'm

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confused as to how come do this before the election, so I'm

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through this again. What I would like to know, what am I meant to do?

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It is so deep and so quick. At the moment, working tax credits is

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calculated, it sees what the poverty line is and whether you are just

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above it, so how comes this cut can be half which means I will be below

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the poverty line, so have you changed the calculation? Chris? The

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reason the Chancellor has proposed these changes originally, and that

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become onto the changes in an we are spending ?30 billion a year and tax

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credits and some employers are effectively underpaying their staff,

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and then relying on tax credits to top it up, and it seems unfair that

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the general taxpayers have got to stop this up. The minimum wage will

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be increased, and to your childcare point, the plan is to double free

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childcare to 30 hours a week to sort out the problem that you mentioned.

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What seems to have come out in the last three months, as you have made

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What seems to have come out in the softening in terms of the speed at

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which it gets implemented to give time for the minimum

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which it gets implemented to give need to give time for those to catch

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up. need to give time for those to catch

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understands, you are working very hard, struggling to raise a child on

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your own, we understand you are doing the right thing by working, so

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we do want to make sure you are helped in the best way to do that is

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to increase wages. Is that OK? You did not answer my question about why

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David Cameron, before the election, to get people onside to vote, said

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he was not going to do this? He said he would not reduce the absolute

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level of child tax credits cover which stays the same, but these are

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technical changes about the way the withdrawal rates work. He said we

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need to find ?12 billion of welfare savings, that was in the manifesto

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and he was quite clear. As a country, we are 1% of the world's

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population, but 4% of the economy, and 7% of the world's welfare, and

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the key thing is to replace that with higher wages, and that is why

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the massive increase in the minimum wage is so important, and also free

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childcare, wage is so important, and also free

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rising, as well. The Chancellor needs to understand their needs to

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be softening in terms of the timing. needs to understand their needs to

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A bit of softening, that will sort you out? I don't think it will sort

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the art, but anything would be better than what was proposed mast

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and -- sought me out, but anything will be better than what was

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proposed last time. I'm a teacher, the government is paying me, so how

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is the government subsidising low wages? I'm a teacher. I still can't

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pay my childcare. Childcare, that is welcome, 30 hours, but my son is two

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and a half and I was able to go back to work when he was four months old,

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I needed to to work when he was four months old,

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people are not helped, in the three-year-old thing, do you see

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what I mean? David, the argument is that business should be putting up

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wages, it should not be the taxpayers subsidising people. I

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agree. As long as you are doing a profit and turnover, you can

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increase wages, and my son works for a big chain of stores, very ethical,

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and they are increasing the minimum wage, but there is a way that the

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government can raise money very quickly and help soften the cuts,

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and that is cut the international development fund. How can we support

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third World countries... Not even third World countries, but

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dictators, why can't we help in this country? Can we go to the other MPs.

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The government takes the view that tax credits are philosophically a

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nonsense, because what is the point taking money off low-paid people and

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then giving it back to them? You don't buy that argument? Absolutely

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not. The fundamental point, as Amanda said, the Prime Minister gave

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a guarantee a head of the election, people did not vote for the

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Conservatives across the UK on that basis and they did not vote for them

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in Scotland on that basis, they by and large voted for the SNP.

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However, you don't pull the rug from under people's feet before you have

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given them the opportunity to get better jobs and to invest, we

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believe that we stood on a manifesto platform that a modest increase in

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spending, 0.5% would bring ?130 billion into the economy and that

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would also help reduce the deficit and the debt in a responsible

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manner. There are many academics who think, including a couple from city

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University, who said the Chancellor is not going to meet his plans to

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reduce the deficit, he will miss them significantly, but we will

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drive down in the meantime people who are some of the poorest in

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society, and some of the poorest children. The government is also

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wiping off child poverty targets. It is getting rid of child poverty and

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making people poorer. Rebecca, your leader Jeremy Corbyn is opposed to

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cutting tax credits, but John Donnell, the Shadow Chancellor, he

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said you would oppose all of the benefit cuts -- John McDonnell. We

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have got to reduce the deficit, but we do this in a sustainable way and

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we need to have that sitting alongside a long-term industrial and

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economic plan which we have not been shown by the Chancellor. This

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country is at the bottom of EU countries in terms of its spending

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on research and development, we were once a leader in manufacturing and

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industry, and I want Britain to be at the forefront of industry once

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again, that will only come with investment and innovation. To finish

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on that point, many people don't realise, in terms of the iPad. Dot.

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The iPhone, rather, it was put on the funded by American state funded

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investment, but there are no similar plans and the Chancellor and that is

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quite shocking -- in terms of the iPad... . You came from Ukraine, one

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of the other big announcements today is housing, and I know my kids are

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struggling to get on the housing ladder, the plan to build 400,000

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affordable homes in the next five years, does that tackle the problem,

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do you think? It will, to some extent, in my opinion, I run a

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financial services company and we work with first-time buyers and

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second time buyers, and on our list we have people who can afford to

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buy, but there is nothing to buy, and in London this is a big problem.

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This will not sort out all the problems in the country, we need

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much more, but the point is, and I agree with the gentle man, we need

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cuts, we cannot spend money we don't have. Where cuts will come, that is

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another question. Let me ask you, we know the Prime Minister has been

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talking about stopping EU migrants from claiming in work benefits for

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four years, how do you feel about that? Ukraine is not a EU country

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yet. I'm a financial adviser. I do believe you can claim benefits if

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you contribute into the economy, I've been in the country 15 years

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and I think I was entitled to some benefits at some point, but I never

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did that. I cannot see how you can come into the country for two

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months, have a job, and then have full support from the country, that

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is taxpayers money. You are a student at the LSE.

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Talking to students, friends, colleagues how big an issue is

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housing for them? It is an enormous issue, especially for a lot of my

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fellow students who are renting. The price of renting in London is

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extremely high compared to other places in the country. And a lot of

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them are worried about getting on the housing ladder in the future.

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Let's face it, at the moment in London, you probably would not be

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able to get onto the housing ladder until you are 30, 40 years old. I

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think this will temporarily sought out the problem but the price of

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housing will always go up. As long as the economy goes and interest

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rates remain low, the price of housing will always rise and people

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will always be... People will always be shut out from the housing ladder.

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Why don't you just build houses? You go back to the 50s when we had

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massive pressure on housing. The Government said it was going to

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build housing. Why did you not do that? The money you mentioned is

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designed to build a load more houses. The housing bill is designed

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to make it much easier to get planning permission, particularly on

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brown field sites in London. We can start building the 250,000 houses we

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need a year. There is housing problem, particularly in London but

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across the country as well. The only solution is to build more housing.

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That is what the Government is determined to do. Jeremy Corbyn does

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want to build council housing but it is a blow back to the past, isn't

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it? We need to take a view in terms of strategy regarding

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house-building. When the welfare state was setup, the ideology was to

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create mixed communities and not large-scale estates. Perhaps in the

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60s we lost our way a bit. Going forward, Jeremy certainly would be

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in favour of creating a mix of housing types. The Government's

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proposal today, the devil will be in the detail. I would like to see a

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mix of social housing, to help those greatest need. There is a huge

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issue. I say this is a huge issue. I say this as one people are not

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competing against each other but competing against an international

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market. Many people who buy from the international market, in many

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countries you have to live there and be domiciled. There is a huge issue

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in London, which skews the rest of the country. For anyone who is

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trying to get onto the housing ladder, it is a huge issue. A couple

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of texts we have received. Why must I work to support the lifestyle of

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those who can but do not work? Brian in Essex, we do not need or want

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cuts. Cuts, I guess, will bring us to areas that will not be capped.

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You are a mental health nurse. You have direct experience of the NHS.

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Yesterday we saw Mr Osborne and Mr Hunt saying we are planning more

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money, 8 billion over the next five years into the health service.

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Within the NHS, is this government supporting you in the way you want?

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They would argue they are putting in the cash. It comes down to two

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things. The row in the MA -- in the NHS is quite local. We have a

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deficit of nurses. With everything NHS is quite local. We have a

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going on with the junior doctors, it is important that people are able to

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want to work for the NHS. I love the NHS. I would protect it as much as I

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possibly could. Yes, money is great, it is helpful. I guess it is

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about where the money goes and building the reputation of the NHS,

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which has taken a bit of a beating recently. Also about providing

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training. I know you were talking about paediatrics and children dying

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over the weekends with junior doctors going on strike. The

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Government needs to be doing more to promote the NHS. On the side of that

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also to say, yes can give money to the NHS. At the same time cutting

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social care. That will be the downfall. It means the NHS is

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picking up where social care is not able to provide. That means more

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people in beds, less people able to be discharged, and subsequently more

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expense for the NHS. I just ask very briefly, one of the Government's

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names seems to be too tried to present themselves as on the side of

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working people. -- to try. They were pointed things like the housing

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announcement, more free childcare. -- they will point to things. Has

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George Osborne done enough to convince you he is on your side? No.

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Straight answer. Yes, on my side. I think the Tory rhetoric that you can

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pull yourself up by your route straps is very hollow at the moment.

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-- boot straps. It is pulling opportunities and people's feat. A

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true politician! It remains to be seen, I have to say. A massive

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increase in the minimum wage, free childcare and a tax cut for those

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increase in the minimum wage, free low incomes all shows the Tory Party

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is on the side of low incomes all shows the Tory Party

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No, I cannot agree is on my side for that there are quotes about how we

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need to work harder than people in China and benefit claimants do not

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have dignity. That is not a true flexion of my life. It is getting

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there, not quite there but it is getting there.

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there, not quite there but it is say he is on the side of working

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there, not quite there but it is people when working people in work

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there, not quite there but it is are going to have benefits cut. We

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can call that a mixed are going to have benefits cut. We

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someone in the Treasury was listening. Thank you.

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Should doctors be forced to report elderly drivers who are not fit for

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driving? And we will get reaction after white police officers shot a

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teenager in Chicago 16 times. The Chancellor, George Osborne,

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will outline how he plans to cut 20 billion pounds from the public purse

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when he unveils the Government's There will be a new house-building

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programme and cuts are expected in police and education. The tax cuts

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have already been rejected once by the House of Lords.

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Russia has confirmed that one of the two pilots

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from its warplane which was shot down and crashed on the

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Syrian border has been taken to safety

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A short while ago Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said he does

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We do not have any intention to escalate this situation.

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What we are worried about is to defend our security

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In the north of Latakia, there is a migration towards our borders.

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We are trying to protect our kin, our brethren.

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A white police officer in the United States, who shot a black teenager 16

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Police video footage shows 17-year-old Laquan McDonald walking

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away from officers before one of them opens fire.

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Jason van Dyke has been charged following the incident in Chicago

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To watch a 17-year-old young man die in such a violent manner is deeply

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disturbing and I have absolutely no doubt this video will tear at the

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hearts of all of Chicago. I know Laquan's mother and other

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family members have been opposed to the release of this video and I

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certainly understand their concerns and their anguish.

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Schools and metro stations in Brussels re-open this morning, four

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days after they were shut amid fears of an imminent extremist attack.

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The Belgian capital remains on the highest alert level,

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with hundreds of armed police and soldiers on patrol.

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An arrest warrant was issued yesterday for a man named

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Mohamed Abrini, who was seen in a car with leading suspect Salah

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Doctors are being urged to tell the DVLA if they suspect patients

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are continuing to drive against medical advice.

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The health watchdog says GPs have a duty to protect the public.

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But there are concerns that reporting patients to

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the licensing authority may breach their right to confidentiality.

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It might also deter drivers with minor health issues

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Let's catch up with all the sport now and join Olly - and

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a good night for the English clubs in the Champions League last night.

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It certainly was. Good morning. We are in the middle of the Champions

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League week. Arsenal and Chelsea looked really good last night. Had

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Arsenal lost or drawn at home, they would have been out, failing to

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qualify for the last 16. They did the business. Bayern Munich beat

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Olympiakos in the other qualifying match. The gunners live to fight

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another day. They go to Olympiakos in a fortnight and they need to win

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by two goals. Jose Mourinho said he needed a calculator after they beat

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Macabi Tel Aviv. Not really. They have lost John Terry to an injury.

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Jose Mourinho is not very happy about the state of the pitch in

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Haifa. You're probably make is -- he will probably miss the match at the

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weekend. We will be looking at more pressure on Lord Coe. He has been

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asked to explain what role he played, if any, in Eugene, the

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American city, getting the 2021 world athletics Championships. The

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city is very heavily associated with Nike. Coe has an advisory role with

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them and said he did not lobby on behalf of Eugene and declared all of

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his interests at the time. Report on a rising British star in

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weightlifting. Her name is Rebecca Tyler. She is only 16 but she is

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very strong. That is worth a watch. All coming up at 10am. That is

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extraordinary. You wait and see ex-commissioner Mark it is

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incredible. Thank you so much. -- you wait and see!

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Schools and the metro in Brussels are reopening today, four days after

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they were closed by the authorities over fears of an imminent attack

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The Belgian capital will remain on the highest level of alert - with

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armed police and soldiers patrolling the streets - until Monday.

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The search for Paris terror suspects goes on.

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Let's talk now to some of those who have who've been caught

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Geertrui Segers-de-Smedt is the headteacher at a primary school

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with 225 children which has been closed but re-opened this morning.

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Guy Gypens is the director of the Kaai Theatre, they've had to

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Sumit Gupta, is the owner of the Rock Salt Chilli Pepper

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restaurant, they stayed open but had lost a lot of trade and AN VAN HAMME

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from the Brussels Transport Company which has suspended its buses

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What has been the mood of the children? How have they responded to

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the lockdown and state of emergency? The past days we had a very

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important role. We communicated a locked by e-mail with the parents.

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Just because the fact that a lot of parents did not know how to handle,

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how to communicate with their children, about the closed school.

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Was it a day of holiday? Was it a day of party, staying at home? It

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was not. We had to help a lot of parents just to be realistic, to

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tell them the truth, but with good words, the words adapted to the age

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of their children. This was a very important role that we had as

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educators. This morning at the school door, it was different. We

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communicated yesterday evening, yesterday afternoon, towards all of

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our parents. We talked about what the measures were. We transmitted

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the confidence that we have, that we had, towards the Belgian

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authorities. Of course there were more persons at the door. For us, it

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is very important that we transmit that we are very happy that our

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school door can open again. We only have one school door, which is

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lucky. For us, security is, let's say, a tricky word, easier to

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handle. It was very important that we were there. I was there in front

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of the door with my colleague, the head of School, with a smile on our

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faces, showing we were happy to see them all back again. Let's talk a

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little bit, if I make about how people are getting around in

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Brussels on the transport side of things. After the London bombings

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there was a real wariness among some people about using the tube. Are

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there any signs that people are edgy about using public transport, the

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metro in particular? At the start of the day we noticed it was less

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crowded and the metro, -- on the metro, but now it is normally back

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to normal again, we do not have all stations open yet. Only half of them

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have opened today. That brings less people, that's normal, but buses and

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trams run normally, and we have guarantees from the government

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regarding the security of our passengers and our staff. You run a

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theatre in Brussels, without being flippant about it, people do not

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really want to go out much and enjoy themselves in this kind of

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environment? You have two reactions, people who are worried and preferred

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to stay at home, but also the opposite, people who want to get

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back to normal again and really want to go out and do something which is

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something else than worrying. We have two reactions, and of course we

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have cancellations, but there are people who want us to reopen as soon

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as possible. Your restaurant, do you have two now put in checks with

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people coming in? That must be deterrent for people going out for a

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meal, if you have to be searched. deterrent for people going out for a

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We're not doing kind of security, we trust the police to do this job, and

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I think they are doing a great job. We will not put everyone in the same

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boat, to check them. People are here, when they come to arrest and,

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they come to a table, if

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