08/12/2015 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Tuesday, it's 9.15, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

South African paralympian Oscar Pistorius has been granted

bail this morning after being found guilty of murdering

The accused Schmidts to the house arrest and may leave the house

between 7 o'clock in the morning and 12 o'clock midday and is only

allowed to travel within t radius permitted.

Also today, yet more misery for people whose

homes have been destroyed in the floods with warnings

We'll speak to some of those affected.

Plus one of the leading candidates to be the next President

of the United States of America is calling for Muslims to be banned

Donald Trump is calling for a shutdown to Muslims until

representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.

We'll get reaction from American Muslim's.

Plus, should this man be a contender for the BBC's Sports

Britain's world heavy weight boxing champion Tyson Fury has made

homophobic and sexist comments but do personal views matter

when it comes to recognition for his sporting triumphs like this?

Bedlam in the ring as Tyson Fury wins one of the most coveted prizes

in sport. He comes from a gypsy background. The self-styled gypsy

King is the heavyweight champion of the world!

Hello, welcome to the programme, we're on BBC 2 and the BBC News

Throughout the programme we'll keep you

across the latest breaking news and developing stories and, as always,

Particularly keen for you to tell us what you think

of Britain's world heavyweight boxer, Tyson Fury, and whether he

should be on the BBC's Sports Personality of the Year shortlist.

There's a campaign to get him removed

from the list because of sexist and homophobic remarks he's made.

But do personal views matter when it comes to sporting achievements?

Richard is cross, he says for goodness sake, Tyson is a breath of

fresh air another says. Anne says, he should be removed. Although

everyone is entitled to their opinions, Mr Fury's are offensive

and it does sports personality a disservice.

Carol will be here with all the weather details just

We'll talk to people who clearing up their businesses just

The South African paralympic champion, Oscar Pistorius, has been

granted bail, after his conviction for killing his girlfriend was

These are the latest pictures as Oscar Pistorius arrived

His lawyer says he'll appeal to the highest court against the ruling.

The judge said it would not be in the interests of justice to prevent

him leaving his home and said he'd remain under house arrest pending

sentencing. He has proved that he is not a flight risk. Initially, the

applicant was charged with an offence mentioned in schedule 6

which offence attracts a sentence of life imprisonment and even if he was

facing life imprisonment, he did comply with the bail conditions that

were put by the court. I have seriously considered part of the

agreement between the defence and the state that the applicant should

not leave the house at all should bail be granted. I have further

considered this matter is to be postponed to April next year, as it

was discussed in Chambers. I'm of the view that it will not be in the

interests of justice to the accused or the applicant, should not leave

the house at all. Have you considered all the

submissions that were made by both counsel -- having considered. I make

the following order; the case is postponed to the 18th April, 2016.

Applicant is released on bail of 10,000 Rand.

Karen Allen is outside the court for us.

Tell us what happened in court today, Karen?

Well, a case that lasted a little over an hour, the judge basically

set out the bail conditions for Oscar Pistorius. Remember, he is now

a convicted murderer following last week's appeal. The bail conditions

are essentially this; that he will be allowed to leave the house

between 7 and 12. He'll have to notify the authorities that he

intends to leave the house but won't be able to go beyond a radius of 20

kilometres of his uncle's house. He'll also have to hand over his

passport. There was concern that he may be able to go overseas. That is

why they are also electronically tagging him, very different to the

conditions he faced when he was convicted for manslaughter and he

was basically serving his correctional supervision, as they

called it. The bottom line though, is that in today's court case where

Oscar Pistorius, who was sitting literally a metre away from me,

looked a much more relaxed man. He went into court knowing that the

prosecution and his defence lawyers had already come to an agreement

that he should be allowed to continue some form of house arrest.

Of course, it wasn't up to them, it was up to the judge, but as you

heard in your clip a moment ago, he wasn't deemed to be a flight risk.

So when in the last few minutes Oscar Pistorius left the gates here,

he looked far more relaxed despite the heavy presence of the

international media here as he prepares to spend Christmas at home.

And in terms of his next legal move, what does that involve?

Well, as you heard, the plan is to appeal last week's decision to the

highest court in the land. That is the constitutional court here in

South Africa. Now, the papers have to be lodged in the next few days.

Then on April 18th, we will get an indication as to whether or not that

constitutional court case has been a success. If it has been a success,

then we could make many, many more months before a date is set -- wait

many, many more months. If it fails, it's only then that Oscar Pistorius

will come back to the High Court to face sentencing for that murder

conviction, so it's enormously complicated, but throughout that

time, those bail conditions are likely to remain in place, which

means the possibility of him going to jail could be delayed for many,

many more months still. Thank you very much.

Let's talk now to Gushwell Brooks, a journalist in Johannesburg,

who's been following the case from the beginning.

In terms of the bail conditions allowing Oscar Pistorius for now

being able to leave his uncle's house for a period of time, what is

the reaction? Well, I mean looking at the Twitter feed and listening to

the comments people have made thus far, it's quite clear that people

feel that yet again, it's a situation of someone with money,

someone with influence, some with collar, being able to manipulate the

legal system. On top of that, I think the constitutional cou, that

doesn't help that scenario either. Is there any evidence that he's

manipulated that, it was only a short while ago that his conviction

was changed? I believe there is an argument to be made for the fact

that money obviously brights you greater access to justice. I don't

necessarily think that it's based on opinion or evidence -- buys you

greater access to justice. It's down to opinion and people are getting

tired of Oscar Pistorius trying various legal mechanisms to stay out

of court. But anybody, everybody in his position would go back to court

to have a bail hearing? Indeed. I don't think that the bail

application is the issue, thing the bail application was going to happen

anyway. What is of concern to a lot of people is the fact that Oscar

Pistorius is appealing this matter through the constitutional court.

Just to make you aware, because this was a capital crime or a serious

offence, murder was obviously, the case of murder and culpable homicide

was actually heard in the High Court. The state then appealed to

the Supreme Court of Appeal and now he is appealing to the

constitutional court which would obviously be the final leg of his

appeal process. I think that what people are frustrated by is that the

ordinary Joe on the street wouldn't be able to exhaust all these legal

mechanisms. Thank you very much for talking to us again.

US rock band Eagles of Death Metal have appeared on stage in Paris,

less than a month after Islamist gunmen stormed their gig

They were invited to appear during a U2 concert.

Bono embraced singer Jesse Hughes ahead of joint rendition of Patti

There is nothing left except to introduce you to some

people whose lives will forever be a part of the city of Paris.

These are our brothers, our fellow troubadours.

They were robbed of their stage three weeks ago and we would

Would you welcome the Eagles of Death Metal!

Is everybody here having a good time?

I said, is everybody here having a good time?

No fear. We are here. Yes. It is the goodness. It's great. It's very

great to sing this night I think because this band have seen the

devil, the Black Friday, yes. I'm so happy. Eagle of Death Metal, I love

you. I think it's very good therapy for the band. For the first time,

one more time in Paris after a few weeks, after the terrorist attack, I

think it's very good for us and it was a very emotional moment for me.

It was very, you know, like heart-beating. The whole stage was

with them and it was very good. I think this is a good thing for us to

see them again because they come back and we are here, we are here to

sing again and life is going on. Thanks for getting in touch about

Tyson Fury. Some of you are cross about hope phobic comments and what

you regard as sexist comments as well. We are going to talk to his

uncle and trainer just after ten. Do get in touch and you can have a chat

with him. E-mail from Janet, nominating this dreadful man is a

disgrace. Total failure as a human being. Why does the BBC want to

align itself with someone like this, giving him a platform to broadcast

is unforgiveable. This is a tweet from Jack, he's a bigot, get him

off, he doesn't deserve to be mentioned. Mark on Twitter says

freedom of speech is vital. Alloy people to decide through the voting

system. Ian West on Twitter says, what was sexist about saying someone

looked good in a dress? Time for people to grow up. If you missed

that, he said that Jessica Ennis-Hill slapped up good and

looked good in a dress. If you want to talk to us, do put on your text,

e-mail or tweet, call me and we'll do our best to call you back.

We'll be speaking to Tara Hudson, a transgender woman sentenced to 12

weeks in an all-male prison who says she was repeatedly propositioned

by male prisoners and feared she might be raped.

First it's the main news this morning.

South African paralympian Oscar Pistorius has been granted

bail after being found guilty of murdering his girlfriend

The judge extended his house arrest until a sentencing

Power companies are working to restore electricity to thousands

of homes in Cumbria and Lancashire after the floods.

16 severe flood warnings remain in force in the region with more heavy

US Presidential contender Donald Trump calls for Muslims to be banned

from entering the country in the wake of the California shootings.

The White House condemned his remarks while rival Republican

Donald J Trump is calling for a total

and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our

country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on!

A hospital trust has apologised for placing a do not resuscitate order

on a patient. The family only found after he was discharged from

hospital in Margate in 2011. Those are the headlines.

The sport now and here is Olly. Good morning. You feel that football

is really going to dominate the agenda. Last night we had the FA Cup

third round draw. That's always one of the most anticipated moments of

the season. Not many non-league sides left. Just the four. White

Hawks have a plum draw at Everton. There are four British teams in the

Champions League. By tomorrow night, there could be just the one,

Manchester United, have to win tonight to reach the knock-out

stage. It is a crunch time for the women at the hockey finals. We will

hear from one of their stars who hasn't played since winning a bronze

medal at the London Olympics in 2012. BBC Wales had their Sports

Personality of the Year awards last night. Rugby union fly-half Dan

Bigger taking the prize to cap a brilliant year for him. That's

coming up at 10am. Carol will bring you the details

about the weather because more rain is expected. So many people are face

ago nightmare because of the flooding caused by Storm Desmond.

Helen Williamson and her family live in Cockermouth

in Cumbria which has been flooded three times in the last ten years.

The yard is pretty much clear. I have got a couple of puddles in it,

a good thick inch of river sludge, whatever it maybe.

I have not been out on to the main street. I don't know what it is

going to be. So let's go and have a look. Yes, no river anymore. Just a

whole lot of sludge. Pretty devastated really. What a mess. This

is from inside the sweetie shop that's next door to us. All the nice

biscuits. And all the lovely Christmas hampers. Everything has

been washed off that bottom floor. This is Julie trying to get things

sorted out and this is June and poor June and June is out of her house as

well. She has been flooded out of her house in Victoria Court. And all

the lovely display and all this is going to have to go because it is

contaminated. It is a shame. This is the butcher's. As you can see,

everything is spoiled. All the refrigeration has to go out. A big

clean up in order. All those Christmas turkeys, all that

Christmas stock, here is Mr Harrison now. What are you going to do about

Christmas now? What's going to happen with Christmas. I will be

open tomorrow. Good. Excellent. This is Jonty and Fiona's shop again.

There is a little bit of water there and it is sludge all the way back.

This is Fiona and this is Jonty. What's the next step? Well...

Dehumid fires and cleaners and start moving the damaged stock out. Later

this morning, we will be open for business. All the children's wellies

and things from the window display. This is the counter all destroyed

and the lovely pyjamas ruined. What a shame. This is our lovely local

bookshop on main street. And this corner bit is where all the

children's books are. On a Wednesday morning, this area here which has

been cleaned up already beautifully is where all our toddlers sit and

they have their story time on a Wednesday morning and it is horrible

to see everything in a state of disarray and everything ruined and

all the lovely stock they had in for Christmas. It is a sad sign,

especially when it is children's books, but there is lots and lots

and lots of helpers. Everyone is coming to help out which is nice and

it is actually quite typical of Cockermouth. This is the newsagents.

Look, they have cleaned up and they are all ready for business already.

That's absolutely amazing. Thank you very much, Helen for doing that for

us. Let's talk to Jo and Julia Clifford

and Jonty, the toy shop owner from Cockermouth and the Mayor of

Tewkesbury. Tewkesbury experienced really bad flooding in 2007 and we

thought we would bring you together so John in a moment, you could, you

know, if you felt able, talk to Jonty and Jo and Julia about what to

do. Julia and Jo, you have been running this fitness centre in

Carlisle for eight years. What state is it in now? Well, unfortunately,

we haven't been able to get down there yet this morning. I do know

that all, we are in the worst hit area of Carlisle. The water was

pumped out last night. So a couple of other people that have businesses

down there are down there now so until I can actually get down, we

are on our way down as soon as we finish with you, the water was up to

the ceiling so we have lost absolutely everything in our

business. We know that, but until we get down there today, I guess we

won't see if there is anything we can salvage at all. Are you Julia or

Jo? I'm Julia. Nice to talk to you. Jo, are you insured? Well, we have

got the basic insurance. However, when we were asked about, if we

wanted to take out flood insurance because of the floods in 2005, we

are in the biggest dip I guess in the city, it was really expensive

and we thought it will never happen again. Well, we were told it would

never happen again by the Environment Agency. It is once in

100 years. I think most of the small businesses around there have said

no, because the insurance was really expensive, being a high risk area.

No, we are not insured against floods. I know you say you haven't

been down there yet, Julia, can you give us an estimate of how much this

flood will have cost in terms of damage to your business?

Well, the entire business, I guess. We're lucky inasmuch as we have 100

plus members and we have managed to contact every single one of them via

phone yesterday. We spent the best part of eight hours on the phone

calling our members and every single member, because we're small, and

intimate, and we give the personalised care they have all

agreed to stand by us, we have got on our Facebook meet you down there

at 11.30am for the major clean-up, if we estimated on our machines and

computers and everything else, maybe 25, ?30,000. ?25,000, ?30,000.

That's a nightmare the that's an absolute nightmare. You sound really

pragmatic. But this must be incredibly stressful? Well, we

haven't slept for the best part of three days hence looking like this,

but I think the fact that I have to three days hence looking like this,

say first of all the human side of this is... Community spirit.

Community spirit. We're southerners, but we have been adopted up here for

the last eight years is phenomenal as usual it is the small people on

the ground that are the ones that have been phenomenal and given, you

know, I just want to see right now what the council and the Government

are going to do about this, you know, there is plenty of resources

when it comes to other countries that are affected in, you know,

tragedies, or plenty of resources when it comes to bombing other

countries. So I just hope to god that the Government do something for

us for a change. OK. Jonty, it is astonishing that you're

opening later today. That's fantastic.

Well, we didn't get fully hit, we only got two-and-a-half three foot

and we went through this six years ago. We are quite experienced. We

know what we're doing. We were on the phones as soon as the water

starting coming in. We have got the carpets coming up behind me as we

speak and as soon as that's done and it is safe for people to come back

in, the doors will be open. It is the support of the community that

gives you the strength and we're lucky too because it is just our

business. Our home is not flooded. We have friends and customers who

are staring at sodden walls and wondering where to start this

morning. So, you have to count your blessings really. Do you mind me

asking if you're insured, Jonty? I am. I'm lucky. But a lot of

businesses aren't and a lot of householders aren't, not because

they didn't want to be, but because the premiums were either

unaffordable or not even offered and the Government's flood Re Scheme,

they have taken six years to get it into operation, it will start next

year, but for everyone flooded in Cumbria, that's 12 months too late.

It certainly is. John, welcome. These kind of stories must sound

really familiar to you. You had three-and-a-half feet of water in

your house back in 2007. Are you able to give some practical advice

particularly to Jo and Julia who have not experienced this before?

I don't think I feel it would be impertinent to give them advice

really, but just to tell you about our experience. We were insured

thank god, but the insurance premiums doubled afterwards and so

did the amount we had to pay before we got the money from them. But the

cost to us in 2007, the total cost of the flood was over ?60,000

because the whole of the bottom part of our house was wiped out. I would

echo exactly what everybody says about community feeling. In

Tewkesbury what made it wonderful, it was a dreadful experience, but

what made it possible to live through and made it quite positive

was the extraordinary atmosphere the town had and I'm sure that seems to

be the case in Cockermouth and places in Cumbria. How long did it

take? How long did it take you to get back on your feet as it were?

Well, we were living upstairs, it was like being a student at the age

of 58! We lived upstairs in a couple of bedrooms for nearly eight months.

So it was quite interesting. Interesting is a diplomatic word you

are awes using. What was it really like? Well, it was stressful. To be

perfectly honest, it was ghastly. I got used to Marks Spencer's ready

meals because we didn't have a cooker! I quite liked their ready

meals, but I don't know if I am allowed to say it on the BBC! Of

course, you are. Don't be daft. But a lot of people in Tewkesbury were

forced into caravans and some people forced to live out of town and the

place became a kind of hotspot for every cowboy builder in the country

with which is a danger because you are desperate to get people to do

things, you end up with some builders, not all, we were lucky we

had a good builder, but some builders are dreadful and that's

something to be conscious of, I think.

Jo, Julia, you have got to be it in for the long haul, clearly? Oh,

absolutely and we do appreciate this is going to take sometime. And like

I said, you know, I have already been in touch with the British

Chamber of Commerce and Cumbria growth hub, they have promised there

will be some sort of support and advice for small businesses because

it is as usual, you know, it is the small businesses affected because as

everybody clearly stated nobody can afford if you're running a small

business, nobody can afford the premiums that the insurance

companies take advantage of once this has happened in a particular

area. Briefly, what would it have cost you

per month to get insurance? About ?175 on top of what we'd pay. So

over the time, that is a lot of money. Can I add something. It's

going to take longer than you think to get back into your premises.

Start looking for alternative premises, get new sqiment on short

leases because the most valuable asset you have is your membership,

the community of your membership, and that is not just an asset from

the work point of view but they will support you. So try and get up and

running somewhere else, Cumbria County, the nuclear partners, all of

them are coming forward with schemes to offer temporary premises to

people, so they're people that really this morning you should be

trying to get in touch with. Thank you, Johnny, that is very much

appreciated, thank you -- onty. Thank you very much all of you --

Jonty. The town is having its Taste Cumbria

weekend, which is going ahead. Business as usual. Thank you very

much. Still to come today, Donald Trump,

one of the men hoping to be the next US President has said that Muslims

should be banned from entering the US until the authorities can,

as he puts it, "figure out" A transgender woman sent to

an all-male prison has told this programme she was frightened she was

going to be raped inside with male prisoners asking

her for sexual favours. 26-year-old Tara Hudson was

jailed for 12 weeks after she She was moved to a female prison

after a petition calling for her to be relocated, gathered

more than 150,000 signatures. She told me what life was

like inside prison. It was a bad experience. You asked

me because obviously I was there for six weeks. What happened with the

male inmates? It was really, really scary. In what way? Well, I didn't

know what they were going to do to me. I feared being raped. I was

subject to sexual harassment. It was really difficult for me. Right. What

kind of things, if you don't mind me asking, would other inmates say to

you? They would want me to show my bust. And did you complain to the

authorities? I wasn't given the opportunity. The officers didn't

care much. When you were told you were going to this particular jail,

which is a jail for men, what was your reaction? Fear and shock. I

didn't think it would happen to me. But did you say, I'm Tara, I

identify as a woman and have done for over half a decade? I did. When

they brought me down from the dock, I told them, I'm transgender, you

know, how are we going to deal with the situation, because at first they

told me I was going to a female prison and I didn't end up there.

I ended up at the male prison. And the officers would call you Mister?

They would call me Mister Tara Hudson which I've not heard the

phrase Mister in such a long time, I was outraged and so angry. I was

angry because of the hypocrisy of it all. You were sent to prison because

you are still legal hi a man that,'s what it says on your birth

certificate. You still have a penis, you are still legally a man? Yes.

And you don't have a gender recognition certificate? I guess so.

What I'm Capel paining for at the recognition certificate? I guess so.

moment is for the change of the gender certificates -- campaigning

for. You want it scrapped? Updated. In what way? In the '80s,

transgender people were a lot less likely to come out of the closet and

they would live their lives as male, but it's 2015, transgender is in the

Spotlight, we're here and people can see we're here, so why should I have

to jump through so many hoops to identify who I am? In a legal sense?

I know who I am, I don't need to sit in front of a board and prove to

these people who I am. For the certificate, it's, you have to prove

that you have been living as a female for over two years. They can

look on my Facebook and see that I've been living as a female for

over half a decade. If you didn't have the certificate though, if it

was scrapped which is what you are now going to campaign for, I wonder

if the system could be open to abuse, somebody could say, a man

could say they are a transgender woman in order to be sent to a

female prison? This is why I said to you before that there should be a GP

involved, of course, most definitely, but there doesn't have

to be the gender recognition certificate. A GP can clarify

whether that person is, what gender role they are living in, you know.

There are no official figure force the numbers of transgender people in

jail but it's thought to be around 80, something like that. Over the

last couple of months, two other male-to-female trans-prisoners were

found dead in all-male jails. How do you respond to that? Sorry, my eyes

well up because I think about those two girls that committed suicide and

I was close myself but I was a tough person and I made it through. If you

want to keep persecuting transgender people and you want to keep pushing

them to the edge where they want to take their own lives and where they

are taking their own lives, carry on with the gender recognition

certificate, but it's not how it should be.

Thank you very much for talking to us.

A Prison Service spokesperson told us:

A petition reaches 91,000 names to remove Tyson Fury from the BBC

Sports personality of the year list, the numbers are going up. Text from

Phil, I don't agree, but he's the only one with a personality, the

others are robot who is say what others want to hear. A texter says,

it's about time someone had the nerve to speak his mind, sick of

this mittically correct nonsense and all the lefty idiots that promote

it. John e-mails, Tyson's opinions are just that, his opinions. Spotty

is about recognising sporting achievements and personalities. To

those offended, it's not his fault you are offended, it's yours, I will

vote for Tyson as he's shown not only is he a sporting legend, he per

sizes his right to freedom of speech and opinions and he's willing to

back his speeches all the way instead of doing a political U-turn.

Another says, his name must appear on the short list so the population

can decide, controlling the list of candidates is the tactic of

dictatorships. If you want to talk to us about Tyson, write on your

text, e-mail or Tweet, call me, and that is what we'll do.

A Hospital Trust has apologised for placing a "Do Not Resuscitate"

order against the name of a patient with Down's Syndrome.

Our Health Correspondent Jane Dreaper can tell us more.

I've had a lot of people get in touch about this in shock. Andrew

Waters went into hospital in Margate in 2011. He had tell men that. He

was around 50 years of age and need add special tube to help with his

feeding, but he'd had a good quality of life, lots of hobbies and enjoyed

doing some paid work as well. His family spoke so warmly about the

life he'd enjoyed. They only found out about the order saying he

shouldn't be resuscitated once he was discharged from hospital, one of

his carers found the form folded up in his bag and it listed his Down's

Syndrome and learning difficulties among the reasons for that

resuscitation notice. The family were horrified. His brother Michael

told me about the family's reaction to finding the resuscitation notice.

For someone to make that decision without actually consulting a member

of the family or any one of his carers was just totally

unacceptable. No-one has the right to make such a decision in such a

disgraceful way. To put those reasons down, no-one deserves that

and, you know, there was nothing wrong with his health really at the

time that would have any effect on resuscitation. People with Down's

Syndrome, they are no different from anybody else at the end of the day,

they deserve the right to live like you and I would. Like I say, there

are a lot of people out there that really don't understand the feelings

or what they experience. With Andrew, he couldn't tell you when he

was ill, he couldn't even tell you if he had a cold or sore throat, you

know, he couldn't say, I don't feel very well, because they don't give

that away. Looking back now, do you feel this case has sort of proved

something to yourselves as a family and to the wider world about the

family of Andrew's life -- about Andrew's life? I hope so, because

they bring a lot of joy and happiness. You can't take that away

from anybody at the end of the day. Andrew, you know, never ever had a

bad word to say about anyone, he was always happy go-lucky, you know,

made everybody smile, everybody that he came across, always had a smile

for him. He was probably the happiest person I ever knew.

The motivation behind these orders can often be a well-meaning one.

They often want to spare patients from what can be a brutal process

and of course resuscitation doesn't always work, but in this case it

really upset the family because his health wasn't in any imminent danger

and they felt as though he'd been written off when they were not

consulted about the case. The lawyer that's pursued this case says it

underlines that if a patient such as Andrew doesn't have capacity to make

their own decisions, doctors and medical staff must talk to the

family, the carers. Other cases have underlined that, once again we see

it in the courts and let's hope the hospitals follow suit.

Thank you very much. In a statement,

East Kent Hospitals University NHS It's coming up 2010 o'clock which

means it's time for the weather. It's even more important isn't it,

Phil? -- up 2010 o'clock. It looks scenic here in Cumbria

until you look closely. Quite dark, but blimey. You can see the tide

line on that particular residence as well. So despite the blue skies,

yes, we were in record territory. The headline was made yesterday

lunch time When we had the figures in, Honister made the 24-hour

record. Can I have that in feet? About 30-odd inches, so 2'6"ish.

OK. I want to put it in historical

context. There is the new record, 24 hour totals remember, and some of

these events were longer. In 2009, just down the road from Honister,

216, but 180 mill metres. Everybody said that was a once in a lifetime.

Everybody said it could be at risk from further episodes, that is when

the flood defences were beefed up. But if, and I don't know the context

of this, but if you were working on that basis, you then begin to see

the context of where we are now, hence the difficulties. Again, I

make no excuses for anybody in this, but you can see the problem about,

how big are the defences, where do they go and on which river. You

think about the topography of the Cumbrian fells and I want to further

contextualise this, if I may bring you up-to-date with what happened

overnight, because this is further rainfall, a weather front moving

through the area. That produced 15-20mm or so.

The last of that rain hanging on as we speak. Brighter skies follow on

behind, but on this bigger picture, you get the sense that we have

further pretty hefty showers to be had across western parts. They will

be there this afternoon across the moors of the south-west, but

generally a fresher feel to the day, despite the fact that some

temperatures are good for the time of year. From North Wales,

northwards and up into the north-west of England and through

Northern Ireland for a time, and certainly across the western side of

Scotland here, the showers ganging together to give longer spells of

rain and maybe snow above 300 or 400 meters and we are looking at the

potential for the odd rumble of thunder. It is not without sunshine,

it is a half decent day provided you don't get caught with the showers.

And then a new area of cloud and rain coming back in helping to lift

the temperatures later in the night. As you step out first thing, it

won't be as chilly as you expect. This is persistent rain and it is

coming in the form of weather fronts and notice the number of isobars

there. This is more significant rain. Over

the higher ground of the north-west of England and Western Scotland we

could be looking at 80 mill meet he is and that's why this is the

greatest concern of the week, but not quite the same beast. There is

movement here. I'm taking you through Thursday, the last of the

mild air trapped in the south. What follows behind, brighter, fresher

conditions, a greater chance of snow fall on the Scottish hills. Again

above a few hundred meters. There is quite a bit going on. Wednesday is

the day of concern. There will be rain at times. It will be windy

especially on Wednesday. It will turn cooler as we move towards the

later part of the week. If you have got any concerns at all, we have our

weather website. When you see the red boxes on there, that's where you

can get the latest because we never close on the weather warnings and on

the flood warnings. So we're keeping a close eye on the weather

situation. If it is relevant to you, I hope you do too.

Hello. It's just after 10am. It's Tuesday.

Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us.

American Presidential hopeful, Donald Trump is slammed from all

sides after saying Muslims should be banned from entering the country.

Donald Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims

entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure

out what the hell is going on. We'll have reaction to

his outburst and ask whether some US Over 90,000 people have signed

a petition to remove boxer Tyson Fury from the BBC's Sports

Personality of the Year shortlist. So should his controversial comments

affect the recognition he receives Tyson Fury makes history. He becomes

the first from a gypsy travellers background to win one of the most

coveted prizes in sport, the self-styled gypsy king is the

heavyweight champion of the world. We will talk to Tyson Fury's uncle

and trainer shortly. More heavy rain is on the way -

the last thing those whose homes have been destroyed in the floods,

want to hear. As usual it is the small people on

the ground are the ones who have been phenomenal and given, you

notion I just want to see right now what the council and the Government

are going to do about this, you know, there is plenty of resources

when it comes to other countries that are affected in tragedies or

plenty of resources when it comes to bombing other countries. So I just

hope to god that the Government do something for us for a change.

Power companies are working to restore electricity to thousands

of homes in Cumbria and Lancashire after the floods.

16 severe flood warnings remain in force in the region with more heavy

Oscar peus storious's lawyer said he will appeal his murder conviction.

The accused submit to the house arrest and may leave the house

between 7am and 12 midday. He is only allowed to travel within the

radius of 20 kilometres from the house.

US Presidential contender Donald Trump calls for Muslims to be banned

from entering the country in the wake of the California shootings.

The White House condemned his remarks while rival Republican

A hospital trust has apologised for placing a "do not resuscitate" order

The family of Andrew Waters was not consulted or informed and found out

only after he was discharged from hospital in Margate in 2011.

Only three police forces in England and Wales are fully prepared to

combat so-called honour-based crimes like forced marriage

and female genital mutilation according to an official report.

Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary said well-trained

officers capable of spotting victims were thin on the ground.

Let's catch up with all the sport now and join Olly.

We had the draw for the third round of the FA Cup

last night, that's when the top teams find out who they've got.

The holders Arsenal will face another Premier

Eastleigh are the only non-league side definitely

The three other minnows still standing have all got second round

replays to get past, Whitehawk have the greatest incentive.

The Brighton based club, that play in the sixth tier

The winner of the replay will have a trip to Premier League Everton.

I wanted the reds, but we got the blues. It is a tough, tough game to

get through and with Dagenham as well, they are going to fancy their

chances big time. It is a massive carrot for whoever gets through.

Everybody is going to want to play in that game. It is 50/50 and it is

the best on the day and whoever gets through and it will be a tough test

to get past them. So a trip to Goodison the prize,

there was a match there last night and Romelu Lukaku scored

his 50th goal for Everton in It was the equaliser against Crystal

Palace in the Premier League. Starting tonight,

it's the final round of group Four English teams involved,

only Manchester City are sure Both Manchester Clubs are playing

tonight, United have to win away I have the experience as a manager

that the goals shall come because when you are creating chances at the

end you shall score and finish that kind of chances and that's why we

have that belief and it is a matter of time.

Great Britain's women don't have to beat Australia at the Hockey World

League finals to get out of their group, but it would avoid

They're yet to win a match at the tournament in

Argentina, but this afternoon's game marks a comeback for Christa Cullen.

She retired after winning a bronze medal with the team at the London

Olympics, she went off to work in animal conservation in Kenya, she

It is not a position any athlete year and this will be her first

It is not a position any athlete wants to be in sitting on the

sidelines watching the girls play and frustrated is an under

statement, but at the same time, you know, it is where I was at. I have

got to accept it. Get on the pitch and really do my bit for the time.

That's what they expect from me. The Wales rugby union fly-half

Dan Biggar is the BBC Wales Sports He's had a fantastic year, playing a

key role at the World Cup as Wales His

kicking was the difference in the victory against England Biggar, who

has a rather quirky kicking routine, also shone during the Six Nations

where Wales just missed out on the title to Ireland despite

winning four matches out of five. That's all your sport. I will be

back with the headlines at 10.30am. You have been telling us whether you

want Britain's new heavy world champion to be dropped from the

shortlist of the BBC Sports Personality of the Year.

Tyson Fury has been criticised for sexist and homophobic comments.

On women he has said, "I believe a woman's best place is

He also compared homosexuality to paedophilia saying,

"There are only three things that need to be accomplished

One of them is homosexuality being legal in countries.

One of them is abortion and the other one's paedophilia.

Who would have thought in the 1950s and 1960s that those

Effectively saying that if those three things were legalised,

On Jessica Ennis-Hill he said she looks good when she has a dress on.

If it is about personality, I should win this hands down. If it is about

sporting achievements I should win this hands down. There has been no

other heavyweight in a long, long, long time or boxer from England who

has been to a super champions back yard, the reigning heavyweight

champion of the world for 11 years who is going down in history as one

of the greatest heavyweight fighters of all time in people's opinions and

I have been to Germany and his own back garden and dethroned him and

I'm representing Great Britain and Ireland. There has never ever been

that before, so that's an achievement that will never ever be

done again. The criticism is about the comments afterwards saying

Jessica Ennis-Hill slaps up good, looks good in a dress and a woman's

best place is in the kitchen and on her back? Well, I did say that. Can

you just rephrase the statement. She looks good when she has got make-up.

Is that a crime when I say I think a woman looks good in a dress. The

comment is maybe on how Jessica looks rather than on her

achievements? I was asked a question about Jessica Ennis and I think she

looks fit in a dress. That's my opinion. If there is people who

thinks she looks ugly well they should keep their opinion to say

themselves. There is another comment. Keep them coming. You say

that there are three things that need to be accomplished before the

devil comes home meaning I think the devil takes charge of everything and

one is home sexuality being legal? Home sexuality and abortion and

paedophilia. Them three things need to be accomplished before the world

finishes. Now, that's what the Bible tells me, right? So it may take a

while before them three things have to be accomplished, but make no

mistake, them three things must be accomplished before the world

finishes, whether it takes 1,000 years, 2,000, two days, who knows

how long it will take. Them three things need to be accomplished,

those aren't my opinions, I didn't say that, that's what the Bible

tells me. That's all I said. I didn't say I had a problem with

homosexuals or abortionists, I didn't say I'm with it or against

it, I just stated what I am taught through my scriptures.

Thank you for talking to us. It is an outstanding sporting achievement.

Unbelievably brilliant. I think everybody agrees on that. What do

you think about this petition to remove Tyson's name from the

shortlist? It is up to everybody's opinion is

how they perceive Tyson, you know, if you're trying to get everybody to

like you then it is a poor job, you know. There is a lot of people out

there and everybody has got a different opinion, a different view

on everybody's comments. It just depends how they view it and they

will be for and against winning the competition. So there is not much I

can really add to it. Do you think he should be withdrawn from the

shortlist? No, I don't think. He gives his opinions. He hasn't got a

key in his back, he is not a robot, there is freedom of speech, we're in

2015, and you know, if he is offensive, he needs to explain his

actions and you know, move on from there, but he is entitled to his

opinion just like everybody else has got theirs, it is not against the

law. Let me read comments from our viewers watching around the country.

Kevin says, "I don't care who wins, but surely people should be allowed

to vote for whom ever they wish. After all, it is called sports

personality and Tyson's remarks are part of his personality." Martin

says, "Tyson Fury deserves award. As for his utterances it should

undermine the joy he brought to boxing enthusiasts." And Pat says,

"The words of Tyson Fury are sick. His achievements as an athlete have

been recognised by celebrating his ignorance is totally unacceptable."

Is that fair? Well, he's not giving his own

opinion. He's going off what the scriptures say. It's the conflating,

for some people, of homosexuality and paedophilia. Does he understand

how that can be insidious and offensive to some people? I think a

lot of things Tyson says and what it means can be read the wrong way. Of

course paedophilia is nothing like homosexuality, you know, there's a

vast, vast difference, there's no similarities whatsoever. Give us an

insight then, Peter, into what he was trying to say?

PROBLEM WITH SOUND Homosexuality is an abomination,

that is what it states in the Bible. It states abortion is the same and

paedophilia with children is the same. Maybe he's come to the

assumption himself that, you know, this is what he sees. That is all I

can say, but he's not putting them, you know, he's not saying in his own

view that homosexuality is anything like paedophilia, you know. Maybe he

should refrain from saying that, I think he should and I think he needs

to address it properly and explain to the people out there exactly what

he does mean. Right. And apologise possibly? Well, yes, if it's coming

out exactly like that, that paedophilia is the same as

homosexuality, there does need to be some kind of redress.

Would he come on the programme and talk about it with a British track

and field athlete who, at the moment I'm not going to name, but who's

told me that he thinks he should be removed from the short list for

Sports Personality of the Year? I think mainly our culture and

religions is what it is but everyone's given a free will in this

world to do exactly as they want and people's genders, behaviour, should

be respected. So if anybody's been put out by these comments, then they

should be addressed and Tyson needs to explain exactly what he does mean

in-depth. I want to play you this clip. I know you know about this

clip, it's an interview with IFL Television where he's talking about

an interview he gave with the Mail on Sunday sports journalist Oliver

Holt. Our audience may not have seen it, so here it is. Oliver Holt tried

to get me into trouble and it didn't work. 6'6" and 25 stone, he's going

to break his jaw completely with one straight right hand. I ain't going

to do it because I'll get in trouble, but the big fella there,

he'll an nigh rate him. So Oliver, take a good look at him, that's the

face you are going to see before you hit the deck. I know you say that is

a joke, he was joking, Tyson was joking, does it really come across

as a joke? It does when you are watching it and see it on IFL when

everybody is laughing and making jokes and even what Tyson is saying,

you know, I wouldn't get in trouble because somebody else would do it.

So the reality and everything else, he's setting off talking sensible,

then he breaks into jest. These jesting remarks are being taken

somewhat seriously when they shouldn't be, but also Tyson needs

to realise now, because some jesting can be taken the other way. He needs

to take stock of what he says now and only speak what he really means,

rather than joking around. And even more so now he's in this incredibly

powerful position in terms of the way people will listen to what he

says because of his sporting achievement? Look, you know, I'm his

uncle, my personal opinion, homosexuality, abortion,

paedophilia, it's not for me, but that's my personal thing. I have

nothing against homosexuals or people having abortions, that's up

to them, we don't know the circumstances, everything's all

about circumstances, so this is a big free world we live in and people

should be let to live their own ways. People mainly need to keep

their beliefs probably to themselves. Have you told him that?

We have had a few discussions and Tyson is his own man and I think

he's one of these, Tyson, where it's hard for people to get a grip of his

personality. Sometimes what he truly believes comes out the wrong way, so

he needs to sit back, think back about what he says and if it's

offending people, he needs to actress it. Thank you very much for

talking to us. Thanks for Al your comments.

Still to come before 11, we'll hear from a woman who lost custody of her

daughter - after a Judge ruled the girl should live with her biological

One of the men hoping to be the next US President has said that Muslims

should be banned from entering the United States including Muslim

Donald Trump who is hoping to be the Republican candidate for

President called for a "total and complete" shutdown should remain

until the US authorities "can figure out" Muslim attitudes to the US.

Donald J Trump is calling for a total, complete shutdown of Muslims

entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure

out what the hell is going on. We have no choice. We have no

choice. His comments follow last week's

deadly shootings in California where a Muslim couple,

believed to have been radicalised, opened fire and killed 14 people

at a health centre for disabled Republican Jeb Bush, who's also

running for president, described Trump as "unhinged" Another

Republican Senator Marco Rubio said the comments were "offensive and

outlandish" South Carolina Senator Republic Senator Lindsey Graham

called his views "downright dangerous" Whilst the

leading Democratic candidate for President Hilary Clinton called

it "reprehensible, prejudiced and divisive" Here's some more reaction

to Mr Trump's idea from Nihad Awad, who's from the Council on

American Islamic Relations. This rhetoric echoes the policies

enacted by Nazi Germany against the juice. Have we learnt anything from

history, Mr Trump? These are not just words? The mainstreaming of

Islamophobia in the election is I think discrimination, hate crimes,

violent attacks against Muslims and mosques. This inflammatory rhetoric

is putting the lives of millions of American Muslims and their children

in danger. She's the spokesperson

for Republicans overseas. Kate What do you think of that? He

flies on the hoof. He's made some reprehensible statements now and it

will be hard for him to go back and it will be hard for him to say that

he didn't mean what he said. I think he's in real trouble now. Well, he

rarely goes back on what he's said and, before now, people have said, I

think he's in real trouble now, his comments continue to get coverage

and support? They get coverage and they get support but that support is

dwindling. There is a poll out a few hours ago that Senator Ted Cruise is

starting to overtake him in the polls which will be the first

primary, the first vote, and his poll numbers have been going down.

He's still up there, no denying that, but the sensational media fury

is dwindling. We are still just at the very beginning of this. On a

scale of one to ten, how racist is he? I mean personally, I find his

comments reprehensible, I do believe that they are racist and they do not

represent moderate Republicans. Ten? Nine, ten, I mean, he said a few

months back that Mexican imgrants were rapists and murderers, now he's

outdone himself. These comments are equally awful, he continues to make

mistakes. I'm not sure I want to give him a ten, we don't know what

will come out next. Jeb Bush and mark owe Rubio say positive things

about Mexican and hiss tannic immigration, they have come out and

said, we have crossed a line, this is not our party. There will be some

people in America who agree with Donald Trump and the fact that he's

a candidate for your nomination for the next President of America kind

of gives those people who believe that about Muslims some sort of

confirmation that what they think is right? This is a tough time and I

will say that Trump sup importanters aren't just coming from the

Republican Party, he's running as Republican, but many supporters are

independents and democrats and people have never really been

involved in the political process before who feel that politicians

don't really represent them. He's been an excellent retaliation vote

if you will, for those people. The problem is that he's in this

political vacuum where no-one else is stepping up to the plate and his

outrageous comments are getting coverage. The people who want to

rebel against the political establishment, and I sympathise, are

going to him. We need somebody far more moderate than him who can say,

look, I'm going to take on the Washington insiders, I'm going to

think about people like you in the streets but I'm not going to be

awful and bigoted and racist in that process.

If you were a Muslim woman in the States right now, would you feel a

bit apprehensive wandering around the streets? What would you be

thinking? I have great faith in American citizens, I believe

Americans to be good people and I have great faith that fellow

neighbours and people will not be going out into the streets and

attacking people. But certainly if I thought that a man leading in the

polls was calling for me to be put into a database because of my

ethnicity or religion, calling for me to leave the country and not come

back, I would certainly feel uncomfortable. George W Bush a week

after 9/11 gave a beautiful speech about how Americans who were to

intimidate Muslims in America were not just the worst of Americans but

the worst of human kind and he said, we as Americans must be very careful

to respect everybody's religion. That is what our country is founded

on, the freedom to religion. So I'm hopeful that neighbours will stem up

to the plate and be good to their fellow neighbours regardless of who

to the plate and be good to their they are, what they look like and

where they come from. Thank you very much. Let me bring you this news: A

serving West Midlands police officer is going to appear before Dudley

Magistrates Court charged with rape. PC Ben Clay was arrested after the

allegation earlier thissier year was made. He was charged at the end of

the October. The alleged offence happened while the officer was off

duty. He's a neighbourhood police officer and was suspended from his

position at Wolverhampton police station and he'll appear before

Dudley Magistrates Court tomorrow charged with rape.

The influence left-wing groups like the socialist groups are to be

limited by Jeremy Corbyn. Let's talk to Norman Smith.

This Momentum was set up by Jeremy Corbyn after he became leader and

it's half in the Labour Party, half out. Some of its members are from

the Labour Party, some belong to the Socialist Workers' Party or the

Communist Party or whatever and it exists alongside the Labour Party

and many, many Labour MPs are deeply suspicious about it. They view it as

the new militant tendency, saying it's got a target list of moderate

Labour MPs which it wants to cull and, in effect, it's Jeremy Corbyn's

shock troops to try to reshape the Labour Party in his image.

Supporters of Momentum say, absolute rubbish, it's about trying to get

people involved in Labour Party politics who aren't really that

interested in the Labour Party so they are trying to get involved

people who may be campaigning against library closures or who're

angry about food banks or who're opposed to Syria, that there is

nothing sinister about it at all. That certainly was the line of their

spokesman. Have a listen to what he said. By and large, I've been to

many Momentum meetings and there is a positive, inclusive atmosphere

whereby people do politics differently and we have groups where

you have someone speaking at the front often and there is

facilitation into small groups coming back together. It's generally

positive, inclusive, it's new Labour Party members often or people who

previously felt disengaged or people who've always been part of the

Labour Party. Because of this organisation,

momentum, allows people who have no interest in the Labour Party really,

people who're members of the Communist Party or Socialist

Workers' Party, the fear is that members of other parties are able to

shape Labour Party policy, in other words to drive it ever further to

the left, in effect it's being used by people who're not members of the

Labour Party. So what has now been decided is that the only people who

can vote and take part in Momentum meetings, which impact on the Labour

Party, must also be members of the Labour Party. So does that meet all

the concerns? No it doesn't. I've spoke to some Labour MP who is say

that is not good enough, they ask why does the organisation even

exist, if you want to be involved in the Labour Party, join it, you don't

have to be part of a separate organisation. In fact, one Labour MP

Steven Kinnock, blamed Momentum for much of the online abuse of a lot of

the people in the Labour Party who backed the bombing in Syria, he

blamed Momentum for that and suggested maybe they should be

disbanded. Have a listen. Abusing Labour MPs because they took

a different view on what was a very complex and emotive issue then I

think that an investigation needs to be held and if that concludes that

momentum is organising and organise straighting these things then I

think yes, the NEC needs to rule and look to disband the organisation.

The row over Momentum symbolises the rift within the Labour Party between

if you like the Corbyn istas and the other, you find the Shadow

Chancellor, John McDonnell, going along to meeting of Momentum, happy

to address them and encourage them and you get the deputy leader of the

Labour Party describing them as a rable. They are a divisive body in

the heart of the Labour Party, but one that Jeremy Corbyn seems to

regard as crucial to his support and his standing within the Labour

Party. Norm arnings thank you very much.

Jacqueline, this is about Tyson Fury, Jacqueline says, "Tyson Fury's

views are the same as Isis. How dare the BBC put him up for sports

personality." "He might be asked to talk in schools if he wents and work

with young people and his views might be a problem."

The majority of police forces in England and Wales are poorly

equipped to deal with honour crimes according the Government's official

As a petition to remove boxer Tyson Fury from the

BBC's Sports Personality of the Year shortlist reaches 92,000 names.

Tell what yous you think. -- tell us what you think.

Power companies are working to restore electricity to thousands

of homes in Cumbria and Lancashire after the floods.

16 severe flood warnings remain in force in the region with more heavy

The lawyer for Oscar Pistorius has said he will appeal a murder verdict

after judges changed his original manslaughter conviction last week.

He has been placed under house arrest. Judges changed his

manslaughter conviction to murder. US Presidential contender Donald

Trump calls for Muslims to be banned from entering the country in the

wake of the California shootings. The White House condemned

his remarks while rival Republican A petition calling for the removal

of world heavy weight boxing champion Tyson Fury from the BBC's

Sports Personality of the Year His uncle and trainer told this

programme that his comments didn't mean he should be pulled from the

shortlist. He is not a robot. There is freedom of speech. We are in

2015, if he is offensive, he needs to explain his actions and you know,

move on from there, but he is entitled to his opinion just like

everybody else has got theirs. It is not against the law.

A hospital trust has apologised for placing a "do not resuscitate" order

The family of Andrew Waters was not consulted or informed and found out

only after he was discharged from hospital in Margate in 2011.

Only three police forces in England and Wales are fully prepared to

combat so-called honour-based crimes like forced marriage

and female genital mutilation according to an official report.

Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary said well-trained

officers capable of spotting victims were thin on the ground.

Let's catch up with all the sport now and join Olly.

The FA Cup third round draw was made last night.

Holders Arsenal will face fellow Prmier League side Sunderland,

That's if they can get past their second round replay

There was a match at Goodison Park last night as Everton drew 1-1

against Crystal Palace in the Premier League.

Romelu Lukaku scored the their equaliser, his 50th goal for

Everton in his 100th appearance for the club.

Manchester United have to beat Wolfsburg in Germany tonight

to qualify for the last 16 in the Champions League.

Manchester City are already through,

Christa Cullen will play her first competitive international in three

years for Great Britain's women's hockey team today - Britain face

Australia in their last group game at the World League Finals

A mother who lost custody of her daughter after a judge ruled the

girl should live with her biological father and his male partner has told

this programme people should think very carefully before entering

The High Court judgement followed a legal dispute over the nature

of the parents' agreement when the child was conceived.

The father said that the woman had agreed to be

The mother said that the father had agreed to be a sperm donor.

The family court judge, Ms Justice Russell said it was in the

"best interests and welfare" of the young girl throughout her childhood

to live with her father and his partner, and to spend some time with

She's been speaking exclusively to our reporter Sanchia Berg

Her words are spoken for her, and we're not revealing her identity

My baby's dad and myself, we knew each other for over 25 years. We

were both from Romania. We were very good friends. We were very good

friends. I was at a point in my life when I felt my biological clock was

running out and I wanted to be a mother one more time before that

happened. And I proached my best friend to be my sperm donor. We both

agreed before conception was done through artificial insemination that

the child to be, if it will happen, would live with me and he would play

a role in the child's life and visit when his busy schedule will allow

him to. Was there any discussion of surrogacy? We were good friends for

25 years. I trusted him with my life I can say say. He agreed that I

would be the main carer of the baby and I would look after the baby. He

would visit while he can. Was there at one point the idea put

forward that you would all live together and that's why he and his

partner rented a much bigger house and you lived there for a little

bit? I didn't live, I visited. There was never a point that I would live

there. I have my place where I'm still, to this day and that was the

way. We talked about it with myself and my friend and that I would be in

my home, I would live there, he would visit and he would spend time

with the baby in his home as well and come into my home. It was the

two of us talking about parenting a child and one of the reasons I asked

him to be my sperm donor is that I wanted my child to have a father, I

didn't want my child to not know who the father was. Was any of this

written down in a formal agreement? We were discussing things as two

good friends. There was no writing down anything. We would just talk as

good friends. Looking back at the whole duration of the court

proceedings, one of the things that the judge cited later and cited

against you was the fact that you had the baby baptised without

telling him about it. In fact, you lied to the court about having the

baby baptised. Why did you do that? She was only seven months old and

she needed protection. That's how I felt, baptism is a form of

protection, it is like a shieldment we believe that babies are like say

a naked person. The baptism is like a shield to protect them from

outside world. But it was a court order and so as the judge said you

lied to the court and that was one of the reasons why afterwards when

the judge looked at everything altogether why she tended to find

against you and find for the father. So when you look back, do you think

ah, that was much more important than I realised at the time?

Everything I did, I did for the best interests of my baby. So having her

baptised was in her best interests as I saw it. In her judgement, the

judge said that you were in quotes, "Homophobic." She said for example

you had told your daughter's family that he was gay and he hadn't known

this. How would you respond to that? How can be homophobic when I knew my

baby's dad for 25 years and he is openly gay for most of that time.

Were you shocked when you heard the judgement?

Were you surprised when you heard the judgement?

I was shocked, yes. I was in tears. I was very upset. I

still am. I still am. How is it when you see her? It is

wonderful when I see her. It really is wonderful. She is a typical child

and very clever and she knows who I am and we play. I sing to her. I

talk to her in Romanian. She understands Romanian languages well

and it is very difficult because I have someone behind your back

watching every single movement you do with your child. It makes me feel

like a criminal. When you think about co-parenting some people in

this position because this kind of arrangement is becoming more and

more common, some people will sit down and draw up a really detailed

arrangement before the baby is born as to how the parenting could work.

Do you think that would have been a good idea?

I have never thought about it before. When we were talking about

having a baby or after conception, before the birth, I never thought. I

never came across my mind because I trusted my friend with my life. Yes,

people should be more careful, I think. What they do.

We invited the biological father of the child and his partner to be

They declined, but gave us this statement,

"There are no winners in this case, only what is best for

We are saddened that our daughter's mother feels the need to tell our

story so publicly, and would urge anyone watching this to also read Ms

Justice Russell's judgment, and to be aware that the Court of Appeal

We have and will always be driven by our strong desire to protect

our daughter from any harm, be it now or in the future, from

any negative or speculative stories that may upset her in future years.

We ask that our privacy as a family is respected".

You can watch the interview again on our programme page if you want to.

It's claimed only three police forces in England

and Wales are fully equipped to deal with honour-based violence,

forced marriage and female genital mutilation.

An official report suggests only Northumbria,

Derbyshire and West Midlands are tackling those offences properly.

Let's talk about this with Jasvinder Sanghera, who ran away after she was

going to be forced into an arranged marriage at the age of 14.

Diana Nammi, who set up a support group

for women after one of her friends was murdered in an honour killing.

I think it is worth so-called honour crimes involve? I

was born in Britain and 35 years ago, the expectation on me and my

seven sisters, we had to behave in a certain way. So not to dishonour the

family. So the basic things that a normal adolescent teenager would do

you weren't allowed to do, go out with your friends, date a boy, these

things were deemed dishonourable and shameful and if you did them you put

yourself at risk of harm and being whipped off abroad for marriage or

murder. So you understood that within a family dynamic and you live

your life, not being allowed to integrate into wider western society

and the expectation of the family is you behave in this way and you will

be married off and if you say no to the marriage, again, that is deemed

dishonourable and shameful and you put yourself at risk. So these are

codes of behaviour we are expected to confirm by and if we don't, we

put ourselves at great risk and many people within the family think the

same way and are doing this to you. Diana, how do you react to the

report that suggests that not many police forces are equipped. This is

what we want, police and other organisations to deal with honour

based violence cases more seriously and with sensitivity. Of course, the

only police forces, three of them in the UK only, is far from the number

we need, which is shocking. In many cases women's lives are a lottery.

We don't want it to happen. We want all police forces in the UK to be

able to take all the cases seriously, to understand what is

honour based violence, to identify the signs, to never turn down any

women. Honour based violence is about life-and-death and it's very

serious and can be very quickly escalated and women's lives can be

taken by their own family members. Jasvinder, I don't know if you

accept what the police have made great strides in this country when

it comes to investigating domestic abuse crimes, for example, but this

extra element, this aggravating element of so-called or perceived

honour, is the thing they potentially now need to concentrate

on, certainly judging by this report anyway? You see, I was born in

Britain, I expect to be afforded the same level of protection as my

counterparts. This report is incredibly important and it's

echoing the report the IPCC did in 2006 as a result of the murder of a

woman who went to the police and appealed on five occasions and said,

I've been seen kissing a boy at a tube station and for that I'm going

to be killed. She was murdered. That report highlighted the need for

awareness and for police forces to get this mainstreamness as part of

it. This report is saying the same thing as back then. We need forces

to come on board. That is not acceptable then is it? No, it's not.

The thing here is, the biggest question here today is going to be,

will this impact on police engagement because it's not

mandatory, we are relying on leadership, police and crimes

commissioners officers, they don't have to do this, it's about the will

and I hope this inspection and this report impacts on that.

Can I ask you about your experience and your sister's experience? Sure.

I'm one of seven sisters. My sister was taken out of a classroom at the

age of 15 to marry a man she'd only met in a photograph. She was left in

India for nine months, forced to marry and, let's remember, when you

are forced to marry you are going to be raped on your wedding night. She

was brought back to the UK, expected to go to school again, then be taken

away to become a dutiful wife and daughter-in-law. My sister suffered

an horrific marriage, the people you can turn to are meant to be your

family, they sent her back to the abuser because it was deemed

shameful and dishonourable to leave your husband. My sister set herself

on fire in her early 20s and took her own life by suicide. That was

deemed more honourable. This is the thing here, this concept exists.

When our victims report to the police, very often they are not

believed, there is inappropriate engagement with family members

who're doing this as a protective factor. My sister reported, Shafilea

Ahmed reported to five organisations, the police were in

that, again, being sent back to the family thinking somehow you can work

this out. You can't. The police need to understand that and frame this as

child and public protection. Diana, what would you say to someone

watching now who might be going through something similar to what

Jasvinder's described, should they go to the police bearing in mind

today's report that says only three out of 43 forces are equipped to

deal with this? Exactly. I'm hoping this will be like a wake-up call for

police forces all over the UK and especially in England and Wales.

This, of course, we need to be mandatory. The training? The

training and also having a leadership and also having training

for all the police officers in the UK so they are fully aware of the

issue of honour based violence and respond to that quickly and gently.

Women should not give up. Always there is help. If the police doesn't

do that, organisations are here to help. We have been with cases. What

are the names of the organisation? Iranian and Kurdish women's rights

organisation, we call it IKWR. When you came to the UK, your translator

was murdered? She was. The only thing I can do for her, it was to

report to the police. That happened about 17 years ago. When I called

the police, they said the incident happened in Iraq so it's their duty

to investigate the case and I said she was a British citizen and, as a

British citizen she's killed, missing, you need to investigate the

case and that she is a victim of honour killing. They told me, this

is your culture and if we interfere, you will call us racist, so I

thought that establishing this organisation and campaigning against

honour killing and to raise awareness within the police

organisations is very, very important. We have had lots of

successes, but the police response has been patchy. There is help

always. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for coming on

the programme. Tyson fury's uncle's told the

programme the world champion didn't ever mean to compare homosexuality

and paedophilia. So many of you have got in touch to tell us what you

think about whether Tyson Fury should be on that short list, should

stay on that short list for Sports Personality of the Year. The

petition calling for him to be removed has reached just over

92,000. We'll talk to some of you in a moment, but here is a reminder of

what his uncle said. If you are trying to get people to like you,

it's a poor job. There are a lot of people out this, everybody's got a

different opinion, view, on everybodying's comments, so it

depends how they view it and they'll be for and against him winning the

competition so there's not much I can add to it. Do you think he

should be withdrawn from the short list? No, I don't. He gives

should be withdrawn from the short opinions, he hasn't got a key in his

back, he's not a robot, there is freedom of speech, we are in 2015

and if he's offensive, he needs to explain his actions and move on from

there, but he's entitled to his opinion, just like everybody else

has got theirs, it's not against the law. Some comments from our viewers

watching around the country; Ke sin says I don't care who wins but

showerly people should be allowed to vote for whoever they wish, after

all it's called Sports Personality and Tyson's remarks are part of his

personality. Martin says Tyson deserves every accolade and award

for his sporting achievement, as for his utterances, that's another

matter but shouldn't undermine the joy he's brought to boxing

enthusiasts and Pat says, the words of Tyson Fury are sick, we shouldn't

tolerate his behaviour the way we shouldn't tolerate racism or hate.

His achievements have been recognised but celebrating his

ignorance is unacceptable. Is that fair? Well, he's not giving... You

heard him say he's not giving his own opinion, he's going off what the

scriptures say. It's the conflating for some people, the conflateling of

homosexuality and paedophilia. Does he understand how that can be

insidious and offensive to some people? I think a lots of things

Tyson says, what he means and the way it comes out of his mouth can

sometimes be read the wrong way. Paedophilia is not the same as

homosexuality, there's no similarities whatsoever, there is a

vast difference. Give us an insight then into what he was trying to say?

In the Bible it states that homosexuality is an abomination, it

is like abortion and paedophilia, they are stated as an abomination.

Maybe he's come to the assumption himself that this is what he sees,

so, you know, that's all I can say, but he's not putting them, he's not

saying in his own view that homosexuality is the same as

paedophilia... Peter Fury, Tyson's uncle and

trainer. Dave in Reading has got in touch with us this morning. He was

watching Peter earlier. Hi, should he be removed then from the short

list? My comment was that in order to be

on Sports Personality of the Year, the person needs to have a

personality and he hasn't. Well, according to some of our viewers

he's absolutely got a personality, so he's absolutely right to be on

that short list? Well, listen, I'm a boxing fan, I've boxed myself, I've

got a personality, that man hasn't. Do you find his comments

unpalatable? I do. Simply because he's not explained himself. Right,

so because you find his comments unpalatable it confirms for you that

he doesn't have a personality because you are not keen on him as a

man, is that fair, I don't want to put words into your mouth? That is

fair. He does not have a personality and he does not put his views

forward in 2 way that makes it palatable? Yes. It's about sporting

achievement isn't it? Look at the people on there, Andy Murray, Lizzie

et cetera, it's about their sporting achievements, rather than what their

character is like isn't it? Why is it called Sports Personality then?

We have this conversation every year, you are absolutely right.

Thank you very much for coming on the programme, nice to talk to you.

Thank you very much for watching today. We are back tomorrow at 9.

15. Have a good day. Bye.