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welcome to the programme. I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria, | :00:09. | :00:11. | |
a national risk by England's most senior doctor. | :00:12. | :00:20. | |
It is not just a health issue, this matter is about advertising, | :00:21. | :00:28. | |
industry, how they formulate food, how it is sold. | :00:29. | :00:30. | |
That's the Chief Medical Officer - she's putting forward a manifesto | :00:31. | :00:33. | |
With a deadline looming, climate change negotiators in Paris | :00:34. | :00:36. | |
need extra time to seek a historic agreement on global warming. | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
Plus - how you can influence a major review into residential care homes | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
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Let's start with that warning from the Chief Medical Officer that | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
obesity is one of the biggest risks to women's health and must be | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
Dame Sally Davies says the problem should be declared a 'national risk' | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
That is alongside terrorism, war and flooding. | :01:40. | :01:52. | |
In 2013 more than half or women aged 34 to 44 were classified | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
And almost two thirds of women aged 45 to 54 fell into this category. | :01:56. | :02:07. | |
Obesity can lead to a number of serious and potentially | :02:08. | :02:09. | |
life-threatening conditions such as type 2 diabetes, | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
heart disease, stroke and some types of cancer. | :02:12. | :02:13. | |
Dame Sally's report calls for action across all of society to prevent | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
obesity from shortening women's lives and affecting quality | :02:17. | :02:18. | |
Her report focuses on a number of axe specs of women's health | :02:19. | :02:25. | |
including the risks of being overweight during pregnancy. A lot | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
of women do not understand that they should not eat for two. While you | :02:30. | :02:34. | |
should not diet aggressively, you have to limit weight gain to what | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
the baby is, and we need everybody to be aware and make sure the | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
opportunities are picked up but most women don't understand that being | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
overweight can increase the risks of breast cancer which is going up, and | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
we need to help women understand how it limit like in many ways, and by | :02:55. | :03:01. | |
helping women and everybody, we need to make healthy options the easy | :03:02. | :03:07. | |
option, and that is why I have asked the government to raise this is a | :03:08. | :03:10. | |
national risk because it is not just a health issue, this is about | :03:11. | :03:16. | |
advertising, industry, how they formulate food, how it is sold, | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
whether we have, which we should not have, cheap offers on unhealthy | :03:21. | :03:27. | |
food. It is about education of children, active transport, it is a | :03:28. | :03:34. | |
cross government 's and crossed societal issue and we all have role | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
to play in maintaining weight. We have a London GP in the studio and a | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
size acceptance campaign. Thank you for coming in. Dame Sally says | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
obesity in women should be ranked alongside terrorism and flooding in | :03:52. | :03:58. | |
public health terms. That shows how serious a problem it is and I agree | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
with Dame Sally, it is a public health catastrophe that we are | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
walking into and have been for a number of years and if we do not | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
address it, it is going to be subsuming vast amounts of health | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
money but will also contribute to a great deal of illness and a great | :04:17. | :04:22. | |
deal of problems as we go forward. Quantify it. Why is it a threat? | :04:23. | :04:29. | |
Take diabetes or example which accounts for about 11% of the NHS | :04:30. | :04:37. | |
budget and the biggest factor for diabetes is obesity so extrapolates | :04:38. | :04:43. | |
that, vast amounts of our money, ?120 billion a year is spent on a | :04:44. | :04:52. | |
preventable condition,. -- preventable condition, diabetes. For | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
most women who have knee replacements, they are obese. There | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
were all sorts of other issues. When you are looking at figures and over | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
half of women are obese as adults, and we are seeing that in children, | :05:08. | :05:13. | |
20-30% of children are obese, it is like smoking. We cannot sit back and | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
say it is a personal responsibility, we actually have to say a good | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
government has to act on the public health and do something about it. | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
How do you see it? This is deplorable. It is scare tactics. It | :05:28. | :05:33. | |
is talking to people in such a way that if they feel they are | :05:34. | :05:36. | |
overweight than they are destined for a terrible future which is not | :05:37. | :05:39. | |
true. Statistics do not bear that out, though your studies than this. | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
It shows if you are moderately overweight, you live longer, there | :05:45. | :05:50. | |
is a study in Spain. I would like to say that if you look at the National | :05:51. | :05:53. | |
office of statistics, you will see that the biggest killer for women in | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
the UK is dementia and our signers, followed by heart disease and | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
respiratory problems. This report is nonsense. You are talking about | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
women's health, we need to draw about something much more serious | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
than if they are overweight. -- talk about. To be honest, Dame Sally is | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
the most senior doctor in the country. Why is she not addressing | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
dementia and hours I must, the biggest killers? Why is she not | :06:22. | :06:27. | |
talking about respiratory health? -- Alzheimer's. There is a slight | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
skewing of the figures. We are talking about obesity which, like | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
smoking, want abused vast amount of... Do you think larger people | :06:38. | :06:44. | |
like to be large? Do not think we have tried? If it were preventable, | :06:45. | :06:51. | |
treatable, we would do it. I am a larger person. We try, we work and | :06:52. | :06:58. | |
we know that obesity is not this simple... I agree. To equate it with | :06:59. | :07:07. | |
health is really dangerous. I am absolutely in agreement with you. I | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
am a GP and I see this every single day, this is not about attacking | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
individual women. It is an attack. Can I finish? What it is about is a | :07:17. | :07:25. | |
public health issue. This has to be done at government level, starting | :07:26. | :07:31. | |
with children and advertising. This is not about gaining women. I never | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
say to a woman, look, have you thought about your weight? It is | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
obvious, we look at ourselves in mirrors ten or 15 times a day. This | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
is about saying we cannot do nothing. We cannot allow the | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
population to get more unhealthy, fatter, more morbidly obese. You are | :07:49. | :07:59. | |
equating it with being unhealthy. Do you dispute the statistics, the | :08:00. | :08:08. | |
claims, that obesity does lead to other issues? There are risk | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
factors. It is a possible risk but it is not a fact. You are talking | :08:13. | :08:14. | |
like it is a fact. If you it is not a fact. You are talking | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
you will get cancer. it is not a fact. You are talking | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
If you are obese, you it is not a fact. You are talking | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
likely to get diabetes. I think we are in agreement. What I think Dame | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
Sally is saying is that it is not about blaming the individual. | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
Sally is saying is that it is not started work as a doctor, we were | :08:38. | :08:40. | |
beginning to find out the effects of cigarette smoking and it has taken | :08:41. | :08:43. | |
us 40 years to do something and try to reduce the | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
us 40 years to do something and try smoking, reduce the levels of lung | :08:47. | :08:52. | |
cancer. It has taken 40 years. You are comparing an addiction with | :08:53. | :08:59. | |
obesity. Individual smokers have the right to smoke. Why, why is smoking | :09:00. | :09:08. | |
allowed? You are trying to make comparisons that do not hold up. | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
There has been a lifestyle change over the last 40 years which cause | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
people to get larger, we do not do manual work, or do 12 hour shifts, | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
we have different food sources which are toxic. We have a completely | :09:22. | :09:29. | |
different lifestyle. We have to look at the other factors. It is | :09:30. | :09:32. | |
complicated. You are talking like there is then easy prescription. I | :09:33. | :09:39. | |
am not! Should the government not get involved and say it is | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
happening? I would love them to get involved. Is that not happening with | :09:44. | :09:50. | |
Dame Sally? Is a scare tactic. Why? It does not give us a solution. If | :09:51. | :09:57. | |
you would give me a solution, Dame Sally, if you are listening, please | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
give us access for free to... Get our health back to normal. This is | :10:03. | :10:08. | |
the start of a process. It is not about individual responsibility. For | :10:09. | :10:14. | |
example, children's cereals... Can I finish? You are making a point and I | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
am responding. It should not be on the shelf. That is a good place to | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
start and stop what Sally is saying is that we need the government to | :10:24. | :10:31. | |
look at this urgently or we will walk headlong... Smaller people are | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
at risk as well. Everybody is at risk. There is watching and says, | :10:36. | :10:42. | |
this annoys me, people know they are overweight and do nothing. I had | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
heart failure three years ago and speaking to the consultants, I gave | :10:47. | :10:50. | |
up alcohol, sweet and fried food. Aida what I want within reason and | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
feel better for it. It is not hard to lose weight and he was the lead | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
most things within reason and I do exercise. It is down to them. | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
Fantastic, great. Anybody who improves their lifestyle, I am all | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
for it but I would like to make it easier for people to do this stop do | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
not imagine people are out there stuffing themselves. People are | :11:12. | :11:20. | |
dieting and trying to lose weight but that is not the bottom line. The | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
bottom line is our overall lifestyle has incredible risks attached to it | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
which the government is not looking at. Why is their sugar in lasagne or | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
almost all the foods we have on our shelves? Are you blaming external | :11:33. | :11:41. | |
factors? She is right. The supermarket is not providing good | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
food. It is harder to get good and natural food, and more expensive for | :11:47. | :11:49. | |
the average family who are also poor. It is very difficult. You pick | :11:50. | :11:56. | |
a ready meal, it is loaded with rubbish food. The government needs | :11:57. | :12:05. | |
to intervene in our food source. You are absolutely right, there are | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
things you can do at an individual level and things you can do as a | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
public health level. You are absolutely right and some individual | :12:12. | :12:18. | |
choices, all well and good, but I go back to making an individual choice | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
to wear a seat belt, some people did and some did not, until it was | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
tackled at government level. It was made illegal to not wear a seat | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
belt. Are you making it illegal to be fat? No. What are you talking | :12:31. | :12:38. | |
about?! She throws things out and there is no solution. It is about a | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
whole series of solutions. If it were as easy as putting a seat belt | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
on, it will be fine but it is about a series of solutions, some of which | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
you articulated. Not putting sugar in food that does not need sugar. | :12:54. | :12:59. | |
Looking at children's food, looking at access to exercise. Why does the | :13:00. | :13:06. | |
report not say that? Equating it with terrorism? Outrageous. I | :13:07. | :13:12. | |
suspect the report references a lot of studies which have gone before | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
which starts to look at some of the solutions. What Sally is saying is | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
that we need government action on this because if we don't get | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
government action right across the board... We should not have badly | :13:24. | :13:29. | |
worded report which scare people. I do not want to be terrified to stop | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
maybe we need to be scared into the ill effects of obesity. We have been | :13:35. | :13:42. | |
scared for 40 years. Has it worked? I am not sure it has been 40 years. | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
40 years ago there was very little obesity. That has been dieting and | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
dieting pressure for many decades, has it worked? What works? This | :13:51. | :13:58. | |
report does not work. It has been great to have you in the studio | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
talking the bus lane. Lots of people getting in touch as they watch you. | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
We appreciate your time. -- talking robust lay. Simon Says we need to | :14:07. | :14:13. | |
tax bad food and subsidised healthy food. | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
Thanks for joining us today - still to come: No decision | :14:18. | :14:19. | |
on a third runway at London's Heathrow until next year. | :14:20. | :14:22. | |
One business group accuses the Government of being "gutless" - | :14:23. | :14:24. | |
And Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is under mounting pressure from some | :14:25. | :14:30. | |
of his own MPs to disown the Stop the War Coalition - | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
The main news this morning: Obesity is such a threat to women's health | :14:34. | :14:45. | |
that it should be declared a national risk - according | :14:46. | :14:47. | |
We need to make women understand how it limits life in many ways | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
and we need to, by helping women, and everyone make healthy options | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
Climate change talks in Paris are extended until Saturday, | :14:55. | :15:08. | |
to try to reach agreement on tackling global warming. | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
Businesses and local communities have reacted furiously | :15:13. | :15:14. | |
after the Government announced a delay in deciding | :15:15. | :15:16. | |
whether to expand London's Heathrow Airport. | :15:17. | :15:22. | |
Former Glasgow Rangers footballer Arnold Peralta has been shot dead | :15:23. | :15:24. | |
while on holiday in his hometown in Honduras. | :15:25. | :15:39. | |
Coming up just after 10am we'll be talking about the latest twist | :15:40. | :15:45. | |
It concerns the Uefa President Michel Platini and his appeal | :15:46. | :15:52. | |
against a 90-day suspension from football to the Court | :15:53. | :15:54. | |
He appealed to be 'allowed to work' during the investigation | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
into whether he received an unlwaful payment from the outgoing | :15:58. | :16:00. | |
But the Court has decided not to end his suspension - | :16:01. | :16:03. | |
they have though ordered Fifa not to extend his ban. | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
It's bad news for Platini, who many see as the favourite | :16:07. | :16:08. | |
to become the next President of Fifa if he is cleared. | :16:09. | :16:14. | |
We'll be speaking to our sports news correspondent Richard Conway, | :16:15. | :16:16. | |
who's in Paris, about what exact the ruling will mean. | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
It means he cannot be in the draw at the weekend or the executive | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
committee meeting. And on the field both Liverpool | :16:26. | :16:27. | |
and Spurs finished top of their groups in the Europa League | :16:28. | :16:29. | |
after their results last night. I'll be back with more just | :16:30. | :16:32. | |
after 10am, see you shortly. It's a decision - not | :16:33. | :16:35. | |
to make a decision - over whether a third runway should | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
be built at Heathrow. The Government has been widely | :16:41. | :16:44. | |
criticised for delaying its plans on airport expansion | :16:45. | :16:46. | |
in the south-east of England Business groups accused | :16:47. | :16:48. | |
ministers of being "gutless", arguing the delay is bad | :16:49. | :16:50. | |
for the UK economy. But - the Government says it's | :16:51. | :16:53. | |
because further research on the environmental | :16:54. | :16:56. | |
impact was needed. This was the reaction from some | :16:57. | :16:59. | |
of the residents of Harmondsworth, which would be largely demolished | :17:00. | :17:01. | |
to make way for a third runway We don't want to be hanging on any | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
longer, we have been doing this years and years, it is not fair | :17:05. | :17:11. | |
on everybody, and there were lots of elderly people | :17:12. | :17:13. | |
who do not want to move, He said, no ifs, no buts, | :17:14. | :17:16. | |
he gave is a promise, He said, no ifs, no buts, | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
he gave us a promise, They have been trying to get | :17:23. | :17:25. | |
a runway here for 40 years and every time they have fallen | :17:26. | :17:33. | |
at the last hurdle. It is not business, it is people, | :17:34. | :17:35. | |
and they are putting We have a manifesto pledge | :17:36. | :17:38. | |
from the Prime Minister. John Longworth from the British | :17:39. | :17:53. | |
Chamber of Commerce says the delay The government has been completely | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
gutless like so many of the decisions | :17:58. | :18:00. | |
regarding the economy. They have ducked it, | :18:01. | :18:01. | |
we have been waiting 25 years and more now for this | :18:02. | :18:04. | |
decision to be made. There was a very long and detailed | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
study at great expense with the Davies Commission | :18:10. | :18:12. | |
and they have simply ignored it, Our Political Correspondent, | :18:13. | :18:12. | |
Iain Watson is at Westminster - politics at play here | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
by the Conservatives? What are they saying there? | :18:18. | :18:27. | |
That's right, the Government is saying they had to take into account | :18:28. | :18:30. | |
environmental concerns and there was a risk of a legal challenge. | :18:31. | :18:37. | |
Nonetheless, there is a huge suspicion this is convenient for the | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
Government because they faced the prospect of having the London | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
mayoral candidate Zac Goldsmith for next May, long-standing opponent of | :18:48. | :18:49. | |
Heathrow, clashing with the government if the this issue was | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
taken to go ahead with the runway before Christmas. The | :18:55. | :18:56. | |
taken to go ahead with the runway they would give a clear direction | :18:57. | :18:58. | |
but they have not. What they said is other options including | :18:59. | :19:01. | |
but they have not. What they said is runway at Gatwick and even extending | :19:02. | :19:04. | |
the existing runway at Heathrow is still up for grabs. The current | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
London still up for grabs. The current | :19:09. | :19:09. | |
today. We already still up for grabs. The current | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
residents at Heathrow talking about Fudge, this is how | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
residents at Heathrow talking about put it. There is an element of | :19:20. | :19:26. | |
political fudgarama. put it. There is an element of | :19:27. | :19:29. | |
getting clearer to people in government that this is getting more | :19:30. | :19:35. | |
and more undeliverable. When you talk about Heathrow meeting | :19:36. | :19:37. | |
Government policy on noise and air quality it recipe card. It is a | :19:38. | :19:44. | |
stated policy on aviation that you cannot expose stub stanch on numbers | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
of people to aviation cannot expose stub stanch on numbers | :19:48. | :19:54. | |
Heathrow will inflict unacceptable noise pollution, 55 decibel is and | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
more on another 300,000 people. There isn't another city in the | :20:00. | :20:02. | |
world that would dream of doing that. Boris Johnson speaking on BBC | :20:03. | :20:08. | |
radio earlier this morning. His opposition to Heathrow is | :20:09. | :20:11. | |
well-known. He is now resurrecting his idea of having this four runway | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
airport east of the Thames Estuary. The thing that was interesting was | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
he effectively said in government people are perhaps moving away from | :20:22. | :20:25. | |
the idea of a third Heathrow runway. The assumption had by and large been | :20:26. | :20:28. | |
that the government would probably, after a three-year Airports | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
Commission after a three-year Airports | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
but with other measures to mitigate environmental impacts and for | :20:38. | :20:40. | |
political reasons as we discussed perhaps put it off. But this morning | :20:41. | :20:44. | |
the Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin passed new doubt on that | :20:45. | :20:45. | |
kind of analysis and You keep talking | :20:46. | :20:50. | |
about a third runway. Please get off the fixation | :20:51. | :20:52. | |
of a third runway. No, it could be a second | :20:53. | :21:00. | |
runway at Gatwick. Right, so you might reject | :21:01. | :21:04. | |
the Davies Commission report? The commission report said | :21:05. | :21:07. | |
that all three options It did recommend | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
Heathrow but it did say that all of the three | :21:12. | :21:18. | |
options are viable options. Interestingly Patrick McLoughlin | :21:19. | :21:27. | |
quizzed by John Humphrys, being very clear that Gatwick is still an | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
option. To some extent people will be lobbying for the next six months | :21:34. | :21:36. | |
and that's why business leaders, in the words of the Institute of | :21:37. | :21:39. | |
directors, are tearing out their hair, they wanted a clear direction | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
at least before Christmas. The Transport Secretary says if it is | :21:44. | :21:46. | |
taken before next summer that Government will be on course to | :21:47. | :21:52. | |
provide extra airport capacity in south-east England by 2030 but asked | :21:53. | :21:55. | |
if he would definitely go ahead with the decision next summer he said, | :21:56. | :21:59. | |
hopefully. Even that doesn't appear to be certain. | :22:00. | :22:04. | |
Oh dear. Thank you. We have some more comments on obesity in women. | :22:05. | :22:11. | |
John says as a 60-year-old man I've heard so mini campaigns about | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
women's health, what about men? Overeating is a personal choice and | :22:16. | :22:18. | |
about self-discipline, sadly lacking in today's society. | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
On Twitter, do you think larger people like being large? Do you | :22:24. | :22:26. | |
think we like dieting, we try, we work. | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
So many folk in denial about obesity, it's getting ridiculous, | :22:32. | :22:35. | |
your life, your body. Now to climate change. | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
There's no deal expected today from the climate change summit | :22:41. | :22:42. | |
in Paris - but as the discussions continue, the pressure really | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
is on for negotiators to come up with an agreement that all 200 | :22:46. | :22:48. | |
The world is heating up and it's happening quickly. | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
13 of the 14 warmest years were recorded this century and 2015 | :22:53. | :22:55. | |
Among the effects of this is that sea levels are rising - | :22:56. | :23:04. | |
they've risen on average about 19cm globally since 1900 - | :23:05. | :23:07. | |
posing a threat to islands and coastal communities. | :23:08. | :23:10. | |
It also means more extreme weather like floods, | :23:11. | :23:16. | |
storms and droughts - which could of course affect food | :23:17. | :23:18. | |
By the end of this century, if nothing is done, temperatures | :23:19. | :23:23. | |
Negotiators have been working through the night to thrash | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
There is still a question mark over whether the deal will look to limit | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
global warming to 1.5 or 2 degrees celsius - | :23:34. | :23:35. | |
a figure hugely important to vulnerable countries. | :23:36. | :23:44. | |
That figure has been lowered from what they originally thought. | :23:45. | :23:48. | |
And there's still debate over developing countries asking for more | :23:49. | :23:50. | |
money to help them cut carbon emissions. | :23:51. | :23:52. | |
Right now the pressure is on to come up with an agreement, | :23:53. | :23:55. | |
I think one of the things that is driving the Paris conference | :23:56. | :24:02. | |
is an absolute desire not to make the mistakes that | :24:03. | :24:05. | |
Rather than bringing the political leaders in at the end to sign | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
the deal, they are bringing them in at the start to get | :24:10. | :24:12. | |
They really want to make sure they don't make those mistakes | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
but that does not guarantee that won't happen. | :24:17. | :24:18. | |
There are likely to be lots of barriers, lots of countries | :24:19. | :24:21. | |
that won't agree, lots of arms that will need to be twisted | :24:22. | :24:25. | |
and you could end up with an agreement at all costs | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
which means you might be very weak or quite easy in terms of trying | :24:31. | :24:37. | |
to get an agreement between 196 countries, turning to a massive | :24:38. | :24:39. | |
If that happens, it won't address the issues of climate change, | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
it won't send clear signals to the future and we will all be | :24:45. | :24:47. | |
If you think this hasn't happened before, I refer you to Copenhagen | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
in 2009, the exact same thing happened. | :24:53. | :24:59. | |
Vanuatu - a string of more than 80 islands in the Pacific Ocean - | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
is on the front line in the climate change debate. | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
Rising sea levels are putting its very future in jeopardy. | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
Islanders hope some sort of deal can be reached at the climate change | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
conference to make sure that whatever happens, | :25:17. | :25:18. | |
We feel very strong that in developed countries they need | :25:19. | :25:49. | |
Anything above two degrees, that is the end of small island | :25:50. | :25:55. | |
countries, and we feel that political leaders have to commit | :25:56. | :25:57. | |
My name is John Kalmatak and I lived here for 76 years. | :25:58. | :26:11. | |
The water is getting higher and higher all the time. | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
That is why it is taking out our way of life. | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
Do you think there is a future for the island? | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
I don't know exactly but I think if we don't look after it, | :26:25. | :26:27. | |
Maybe the water will take out all of the island. | :26:28. | :26:50. | |
Do you worry about the future for Vanuatu and your communities? | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
We need to reduce the carbon emissions of the atmosphere | :26:55. | :27:02. | |
because some developing countries have more pollution so we need | :27:03. | :27:14. | |
to reduce it, we need to reduce pollution. | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
So climate change is real as far as the people of Vanuatu | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
are concerned, and many other countries, it is happening | :27:22. | :27:27. | |
at the moment, and the message from here, | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
I think, is they hope in Paris some sort of deal can be done to make | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
sure whatever happens with climate change in the future, | :27:36. | :27:38. | |
in places like this they are as well prepared as they can be. | :27:39. | :27:49. | |
So the pressure is on but realistically how do you bring 200 | :27:50. | :27:52. | |
countries together and solve a problem like climate change? | :27:53. | :27:54. | |
Let's talk now to Professor Sir Brian Hoskins, Director | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
of the Grantham Institute for Climate Change at | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
Imperial College London and a member of the UK Committee | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
on Climate Change and in Paris - Jennifer Morgan, Global Director | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
of the Climate Program at the World Resources Institute. | :28:09. | :28:15. | |
Thank you for joining us. Jennifer, you are in Paris. They already said | :28:16. | :28:20. | |
they cannot do it today so they want to push back the deadline until | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
tomorrow, how much hope do you have? I'm still cautiously optimistic. | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
They negotiated overnight, they made progress, but every country just has | :28:31. | :28:33. | |
to go further, they have too reached to the extreme of what they can do | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
here. It is all still within reach for stop what still needs to be | :28:39. | :28:45. | |
done? What are the sticking points? There are three sticking points. | :28:46. | :28:48. | |
Number one is the developed countries need to come forward with | :28:49. | :28:54. | |
something that is fair, that shows they are going to differentiate and | :28:55. | :28:56. | |
have developing countries do more but not had everything the same as | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
developed countries. They need to come together around a clear | :29:01. | :29:02. | |
long-term goal that will shift investments into clean energy, and | :29:03. | :29:08. | |
they need to have a solidarity package for the poorest countries to | :29:09. | :29:11. | |
help them deal with the impacts of climate change. Sir Brian Hoskins, | :29:12. | :29:18. | |
they are changing the goalposts, aren't they? This 1.5 degrees has | :29:19. | :29:23. | |
come onto the table when they can't agree on two, do you hold out hope | :29:24. | :29:30. | |
1.5 can be achieved? 1.5 is an aspiration and it shows the | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
seriousness of the issue. People saying even two deg is not going to | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
be easy for everyone, so if we could make it 1.5 as a limit that would be | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
great. The aspiration is there and I will come that. The reality of what | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
people are going to do then comes out the other side. What do you | :29:48. | :29:55. | |
think should be done? We know that to limit climate change to anything | :29:56. | :30:01. | |
like 1.5-2d, there is only a certain amount of carbon emissions we can | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
have, we house gases. There is a cake there. Explain how quickly the | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
cake is being doubled up. We've already gobbled up two thirds of the | :30:11. | :30:15. | |
cake when we did not know we were doing it when we started so there is | :30:16. | :30:19. | |
about a third left. At the present rate depending on your target it may | :30:20. | :30:25. | |
be 20-25 years at the present rate. It means we have got to get global | :30:26. | :30:28. | |
emissions peaking as soon as possible, and then going down | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
rapidly. Quite what going down rapidly to maybe nearly zero after | :30:34. | :30:39. | |
2050. We have got to get that peaking and going down at a rapid | :30:40. | :30:44. | |
rate. Is that achievable? Is not the case that 20 years hence there would | :30:45. | :30:52. | |
need to be further retrenchment? It is achievable but only if we start | :30:53. | :30:57. | |
now. If we say this is difficult, let's leave it 5-10 years and come | :30:58. | :31:02. | |
back and reassess then 1.5 degrees will be way out of beam and probably | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
two deg as well. It is realistic but the longer we leave it the more | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
difficult it is, and more impossible it is. We saw the example of | :31:13. | :31:18. | |
Vanuatu. Minds very much focused because of the direct impact that | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
direct climate change will have on those islands threatening their | :31:24. | :31:26. | |
resistance. With other countries affected to a much lesser extent and | :31:27. | :31:30. | |
their voices louder in the discussions, what are the prospects | :31:31. | :31:32. | |
of this coming good? I think one of the important dynamic | :31:33. | :31:44. | |
is that these small and vulnerable countries which includes the islands | :31:45. | :31:49. | |
but also Bangladesh and Costa Rica, these small voices are pushing the | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
big layers to go further because it is about their existence, so I think | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
that's dynamic, finding those solutions, is ill moving here and we | :31:58. | :32:03. | |
have to do hope that China, the US and India listen and respond. It | :32:04. | :32:09. | |
does feel like a broken record. Not you, but the whole debate about | :32:10. | :32:12. | |
whether targets can be agreed and acted upon. It does sound like a | :32:13. | :32:20. | |
broken record but this is a different moment. It is a | :32:21. | :32:23. | |
broken record but this is a of international cooperation and it | :32:24. | :32:26. | |
is a moment where developed and developing countries are working | :32:27. | :32:30. | |
together. There is a high ambition coalition which includes the United | :32:31. | :32:33. | |
States and Europe, and Islands and Latin America. There is the | :32:34. | :32:40. | |
countries who are fighting for this ambitious path. There are others who | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
are fighting to keep their oil revenues moving forward, that is the | :32:46. | :32:52. | |
battle that is happening. Brian, for all of us, what difference will it | :32:53. | :32:53. | |
make all of us, what difference will it | :32:54. | :32:56. | |
everything that needs to be done is done? In the UK, we have the climate | :32:57. | :33:04. | |
change act which amazingly put us on a path to say we would reduce carbon | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
emissions by 80% Y 2050, so we are on that path and that is what is | :33:10. | :33:16. | |
needed. So the UK started down that path, there have been wobbles, but | :33:17. | :33:24. | |
we are on that path. -- by. Really, I am quite optimistic that this is a | :33:25. | :33:28. | |
challenge which will make economies grow rather than the opposite. We | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
have lived in the old fossil fuel economy and we need a challenge and | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
that may make life that much better. Obviously we think of different ways | :33:39. | :33:41. | |
of organising our cities and lives to use less carbon and to develop | :33:42. | :33:46. | |
new industries that will be needed. Nothing can be done quickly, though. | :33:47. | :33:51. | |
Which is why we need to start now. Many things will take ten or 20 | :33:52. | :33:57. | |
years to get going but we start now. Electric cars, we are getting | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
charging points around, they are coming through, and we hope they | :34:02. | :34:04. | |
will dominate the market in 20 years' time, so we can do things but | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
we have to start now and go down the path. Some things will take a long | :34:09. | :34:14. | |
time. Gennifer, any recriminations in Paris where some countries will | :34:15. | :34:18. | |
say, we have been getting our act together and making the difference, | :34:19. | :34:21. | |
and finger-pointing at other countries who have not? No, | :34:22. | :34:27. | |
actually, there has been a spirit of constructive engagement. I think all | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
of these national plans which came into Paris, 180 countries, the | :34:33. | :34:38. | |
commitments they are making, there is tension. There are different | :34:39. | :34:43. | |
positions and they need to shift more to come together but there is | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
not a recriminations spirit here, it is a spirit of cooperation. Brian? | :34:48. | :34:59. | |
Yes, we should be proud of what is going on, this is an amazing | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
discussion between countries who have limited to go a long way down | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
the line and given the pledges there, we might keep local warning | :35:09. | :35:15. | |
to 2.7% or three degrees which is a long way to go. So we have to go | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
that little bit more. -- 2.7 degrees. This is not easy because | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
people are promising things that are difficult to do and then they are | :35:25. | :35:29. | |
saying, we will help you do that, and give and take, so there is an | :35:30. | :35:32. | |
amazing international discussion we have not seen anywhere else. It is | :35:33. | :35:37. | |
good to speak to you both, thank you very much. Please have carried out | :35:38. | :35:49. | |
an intelligence led operation. Armed officers were in attendance. A man | :35:50. | :35:59. | |
received gunshot wounds in this. It is in Would Green in North London. | :36:00. | :36:10. | |
-- Wood Green. We will check out that intelligence led operation | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
which results resulted in a man receiving gunshot wounds. No clarity | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
on his condition but we will keep you updated on that. A huge response | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
from you this morning on the conversation we had earlier on women | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
and obesity. A lot of you are disagreeing with Catherine who was | :36:31. | :36:34. | |
in the studio. She is as size acceptance campaigner. Diane says | :36:35. | :36:37. | |
you are responsible for what you put in your mouth. What is wrong with | :36:38. | :36:41. | |
scare tactics? Maybe we need to be scared. Camilla says I believe all | :36:42. | :36:49. | |
people, men or women, should have responsibility to take care of | :36:50. | :36:52. | |
themselves. At these people never looked happy and you feel they are | :36:53. | :36:55. | |
an comfortable and haven't attitude. In America, I notice obesity has got | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
more in the last five years stop unfortunately I believe the UK is | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
following. Another person says I have never seen so much rubbish, | :37:04. | :37:10. | |
being obese is unhealthy. At the end of the day, we all have choices | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
about what we stick in our mouth. I lost five stone, all I did was buy | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
fresh meat and vegetables. John says we need attacks similar to alcohol | :37:20. | :37:27. | |
and tobacco. -- a tax. All taxes raised should go to the NHS and care | :37:28. | :37:32. | |
for the elderly. An anonymous person on Twitter says I am not sure women | :37:33. | :37:35. | |
need lectures about the dangers of obesity in the same way that smokers | :37:36. | :37:38. | |
don't need lectures about cigarettes. Thank you for all of | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
your comments. To keep on getting in touch with us on that. | :37:44. | :37:57. | |
With France still in a state of emergency, rights groups have | :37:58. | :38:00. | |
warned it could lead to widespread abuses of civil liberties - | :38:01. | :38:02. | |
in particular those of French Muslims. | :38:03. | :38:04. | |
The emergency laws were declared following the Paris terrorist | :38:05. | :38:06. | |
attacks nearly a month ago, which killed 130 people. | :38:07. | :38:08. | |
They give special powers to French authorities to carry out raids | :38:09. | :38:11. | |
on houses without judicial oversight. | :38:12. | :38:12. | |
Some French Muslims have now started legal action to contest raids | :38:13. | :38:14. | |
BBC Asian Network's Divya Talwar reports from Paris. | :38:15. | :38:18. | |
An ordinary evening at this restaurant in Paris | :38:19. | :38:20. | |
Dozens of armed police officers raided the restaurant, | :38:21. | :38:28. | |
they forced open doors to search all the rooms in the building. | :38:29. | :38:31. | |
Staff say the police found nothing and gave no reason | :38:32. | :38:34. | |
They are worried the business would be targeted again | :38:35. | :38:40. | |
because the owners and employees are all Muslim. | :38:41. | :38:42. | |
Firstly, we saw the police passing in the street and two minutes | :38:43. | :38:47. | |
after they came in, and then ten more, and they asked just not | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
to move and leave our hands on the table, not to use | :38:53. | :38:55. | |
the telephone, some to go upstairs, some downstairs, and they said, | :38:56. | :38:58. | |
Afterwards, I did not want to say I was Muslim any more | :38:59. | :39:08. | |
because it is like if you are Muslim, they judge you right now | :39:09. | :39:11. | |
France's state of emergency was declared after the Paris terror | :39:12. | :39:21. | |
attacks nearly a month ago and since then French authorities | :39:22. | :39:23. | |
have conducted nearly 2000 raids and imposed house arrest | :39:24. | :39:25. | |
For the first time, three mosques have also been closed. | :39:26. | :39:34. | |
Because of France's state of emergency the police and security | :39:35. | :39:36. | |
services have special powers to act quickly without judicial oversight. | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
They can search homes and private property, | :39:41. | :39:43. | |
even put people under house arrest without a warrant or permission | :39:44. | :39:46. | |
Rights groups fear these powers will lead to widespread abuses | :39:47. | :39:53. | |
The government needs to do everything it can to fight | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
terrorism, not terrorise everyday citizens and this | :39:59. | :40:00. | |
So far we do not have any clear indication about why | :40:01. | :40:06. | |
For example they raided a humanitarian organisation under | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
the suspicion of hiding weapons and narcotics. | :40:11. | :40:12. | |
They showed up with no dogs, with nothing, | :40:13. | :40:13. | |
When you see private property destroyed, mosques being thrashed, | :40:14. | :40:26. | |
restaurants being raided and people handing over their keys | :40:27. | :40:28. | |
for the police to come in, we see that the government does not | :40:29. | :40:31. | |
care about the effects on people so of course we are afraid | :40:32. | :40:34. | |
The French government has said they won't tolerate any raids that | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
In a statement, the interior minister said the searches and house | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
arrests are perfectly justified and based on sound information | :40:45. | :40:46. | |
and the police have strict guidelines to follow. | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
When they came they were banging on the door very, very loud, | :40:52. | :40:53. | |
and then I opened the door and as soon as I opened the door | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
Some French Muslims believe they are being disproportionately | :40:58. | :41:05. | |
targeted and so far lawyers are challenging nearly | :41:06. | :41:07. | |
This man is trying to take legal action after he says at least 30 | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
armed policeman raided his flat in the middle of the night. | :41:14. | :41:16. | |
Which part of the house did they search? | :41:17. | :41:24. | |
They searched my daughter's room, she was sleeping here. | :41:25. | :41:26. | |
Your daughter was asleep at the time? | :41:27. | :41:28. | |
She was sleeping here when the police came in. | :41:29. | :41:33. | |
How did she reacts when the police officers came into | :41:34. | :41:36. | |
When they came in and heard policeman outside telling me | :41:37. | :41:51. | |
He says after four hours of searching the entire house, | :41:52. | :41:54. | |
the officers left with nothing and he wasn't given any reason | :41:55. | :41:56. | |
I understand there is a state of emergency so I understand | :41:57. | :42:03. | |
if they come to my home, no problem, but they can knock the door, | :42:04. | :42:13. | |
I will welcome them with a smile and coffee, no problem. | :42:14. | :42:16. | |
I will reply to all of their questions but I am now very upset | :42:17. | :42:21. | |
about how they came in, with guns and the building | :42:22. | :42:24. | |
I think, really, they did it for one purpose, to put fear into the Muslim | :42:25. | :42:37. | |
Not scared because I know I have done nothing so I'm not scared | :42:38. | :42:56. | |
but since that night, I do not sleep well. | :42:57. | :42:58. | |
The government says the emergency laws are necessary to protect French | :42:59. | :43:01. | |
citizens from the threat of more terrorist attacks and there are now | :43:02. | :43:04. | |
plans to extend some emergency powers beyond three months. | :43:05. | :43:12. | |
You can find out more on the impact of France's emergency laws | :43:13. | :43:15. | |
on Muslims in a special documentary on the Paris attacks | :43:16. | :43:17. | |
It's a decision - not to make a decision - | :43:18. | :43:27. | |
over whether a third runway should be built at Heathrow. | :43:28. | :43:29. | |
The Government has been widely criticised for delaying its plans | :43:30. | :43:32. | |
on airport expansion in the south-east of England | :43:33. | :43:34. | |
Business groups accused ministers of being "gutless", | :43:35. | :43:36. | |
arguing the delay is bad for the UK economy. | :43:37. | :43:39. | |
But - the Government says it's because further research | :43:40. | :43:41. | |
on the environmental impact was needed. | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
Zac Goldsmith is a declared opponent of building a new runway at Rome. He | :43:46. | :43:53. | |
joins me from Westminster, thank you. -- Heathrow. The blood saying | :43:54. | :43:58. | |
it is about you. I am not part of the government 's or the committee | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
who made the decision. -- people. I don't know how the decision was | :44:04. | :44:07. | |
reached but along with thousands of campaign groups, I am proud to have | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
done so because we are in the right place, and we are subjecting | :44:13. | :44:15. | |
Heathrow and the alternatives to the same environmental test and I am | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
convinced as most people are that either cannot pass the test so it | :44:20. | :44:23. | |
effectively removes it off the menu. They made the decision knowing you | :44:24. | :44:28. | |
had threatened to resign as an MP at Heathrow got the go-ahead. That is a | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
decision I made eight years ago, I promise I made to my future | :44:34. | :44:38. | |
constituents, I was not elected at the time. It is not a new or renewed | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
threat, it was a promise I made eight years ago with no expiry date, | :44:44. | :44:46. | |
it has been there all along since Russians began, so I don't do that | :44:47. | :44:51. | |
is correct. -- discussions. Something else has occurred, we are | :44:52. | :44:58. | |
six months away from the mayoral elections and you are standing as a | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
candidate in that. If I had an impact on shifting the debate, a | :45:03. | :45:08. | |
decision in doing the Heathrow expansion would have been | :45:09. | :45:10. | |
catastrophic for London, the economic case as well as the | :45:11. | :45:14. | |
environmental case. If we are in a place where we can look at a viable | :45:15. | :45:18. | |
better alternative, that is a better thing, I will not apologise. Will | :45:19. | :45:24. | |
some people look at this and say, effectively, even though your pledge | :45:25. | :45:27. | |
was made so long ago, it was a gun to the head of the Prime Minister? | :45:28. | :45:32. | |
It was not going to happen before the mayoral election. That is not | :45:33. | :45:36. | |
the language I would use. It was a promise to my constituents eight | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
years ago. When they heard David Cameron promising no ifs and no | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
buts, no expansion, they loved what they heard but they did not believe | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
it. I said if you vote for me as your MP, and elect me, if that | :45:50. | :45:53. | |
promises broken, you will have a chance to vote again. A simple | :45:54. | :45:56. | |
promise, no wiggle room, straightforward thinking, and | :45:57. | :46:01. | |
promises matter in politics. Whether you call it a gun to the head, it | :46:02. | :46:05. | |
was a promise that I was obliged to keep, and I would have kept it. | :46:06. | :46:10. | |
Isn't a promise that he would make as Mayor? No. My job is to move the | :46:11. | :46:18. | |
debate on. Then you would be directly answerable to people across | :46:19. | :46:22. | |
London entirely, and if people don't want it, why not make the same | :46:23. | :46:28. | |
pledge? I don't think it does any good, I am not thrilled I made the | :46:29. | :46:32. | |
promise in 2008 egos I felt I needed to make it. You could argue | :46:33. | :46:35. | |
logically that resigning is the worst way to achieve the outcome you | :46:36. | :46:42. | |
want. If I am elected Mayor in May, I will be elected among a great many | :46:43. | :46:45. | |
other things, to get the right answer to aviation. It does not hang | :46:46. | :46:51. | |
together because you are saying that if you have affected the debate... | :46:52. | :46:56. | |
You are saying that! If you have affected the debate with the pledge, | :46:57. | :47:00. | |
that is a good thing, you are saying, but by making another | :47:01. | :47:04. | |
pledge, you could affect the debate further rather than stepping away | :47:05. | :47:08. | |
from it rather than saying if I win, I stand back from it. You are making | :47:09. | :47:18. | |
that link and not me, I've made the case against Heathrow for many | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
years, the occupants have strengthened as a result of the | :47:23. | :47:25. | |
Airports Commission. You are the person making the link between the | :47:26. | :47:30. | |
pledge and the Government's position. Not me, I'm putting it to | :47:31. | :47:36. | |
you. I understand. As happens if you read the airport commission's report | :47:37. | :47:43. | |
and the Davis review, he said the Government must satisfy itself that | :47:44. | :47:46. | |
Heathrow can pass the environment or test. That is where we are. The only | :47:47. | :47:50. | |
difference is the Government is subjecting the other options to the | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
same test, which makes sense because if 5-6 -7 months down the line and | :47:54. | :48:02. | |
Heathrow comes back and it cannot meet the test it makes sense to all | :48:03. | :48:06. | |
adds of the same question. It's been described as a delay, this is a | :48:07. | :48:09. | |
pragmatic delay of reaching the right answer more quickly. Did you | :48:10. | :48:16. | |
have any questions with anybody in Downing Street about delaying the | :48:17. | :48:20. | |
decision? I've been talking to anyone who listens, I've spoken to | :48:21. | :48:24. | |
the Chancellor, the Prime Minister and ministers about this for the | :48:25. | :48:29. | |
last few weeks, months and years. I've been lobbying continuously as | :48:30. | :48:32. | |
you would expect. That is my job, and not just America can bet it, I'm | :48:33. | :48:37. | |
a London MP and my job is to get things done. -- I'm not just a | :48:38. | :48:43. | |
mayoral candidate. Zac Goldsmith, thank you. | :48:44. | :48:45. | |
Let's get the latest weather update with Peter Gibbs. | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
Difficult to know what season it is at the moment and even the plants | :48:51. | :48:56. | |
are confused. Fiddles blooming in the weather garden, whereas in | :48:57. | :49:01. | |
Pitlochry the day started with a covering of snow. The same contrast | :49:02. | :49:05. | |
between North and South is maintained through the weekend, cold | :49:06. | :49:09. | |
sitting around across the North, much milder air in the South. Over | :49:10. | :49:12. | |
that boundary is where we will see lots of the rain and snow. | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
Eventually the mild air will win out going into the start of next week. | :49:17. | :49:20. | |
In the shorter term we have some snow in the mix across Scotland, a | :49:21. | :49:23. | |
bit of rain at lower levels are particularly over the hill quite a | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
lot piling up, pushing through on the strong winds. Rain showers | :49:28. | :49:30. | |
across Northern Ireland and northern England but even here over higher | :49:31. | :49:33. | |
ground there could be hail and sleet in the mix. It is all driven along | :49:34. | :49:38. | |
by a cold wind, making it feel like winter once again today across | :49:39. | :49:43. | |
Scotland, Northern Ireland, northern England, 5-7d the best in many | :49:44. | :49:48. | |
places. Once you get down to Wales, west Midlands and East Anglia lots | :49:49. | :49:50. | |
of sunshine breaking through but it takes longer for the brighter and | :49:51. | :49:53. | |
clearer whether to arrive across the southernmost counties of England but | :49:54. | :49:58. | |
it will stay most admired here, temperatures holding at around 10 | :49:59. | :50:04. | |
degrees. This evening and overnight -- the most mild here. The showers | :50:05. | :50:09. | |
will clear away and it will turn cold under clear skies. You could | :50:10. | :50:12. | |
see a meteor shower over the next few days. Widespread frost across | :50:13. | :50:17. | |
Scotland and a touch of frost may be across northern parts of England and | :50:18. | :50:21. | |
Northern Ireland for a time. Before the cloud starts pushing back | :50:22. | :50:24. | |
northwards again. It's going to be quite a mix on the weather system | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
tomorrow. That is snow across Pennine regions, particularly could | :50:29. | :50:32. | |
be piling up. The worst of the rain and snow keeping clear of Cumbria. | :50:33. | :50:36. | |
That is the key. Temperatures to the south of the rain band on the mild | :50:37. | :50:40. | |
side. Emma North another cold day but a bright and crisp date for much | :50:41. | :50:44. | |
of Scotland with relatively light winds and bubbly feeling better. | :50:45. | :50:49. | |
Through Saturday night the rain band still sits there but it will start | :50:50. | :50:53. | |
moving northwards. Quite a hard frost to the north of it, mild | :50:54. | :50:58. | |
across southern parts of England, temperatures well below freezing | :50:59. | :51:01. | |
over the snowfields of Scotland under those clear skies, could even | :51:02. | :51:06. | |
go down to -10, in some of the Glens of Scotland. On Sunday and mild air | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
pushing northwards again, cloudier skies working their way up across | :51:13. | :51:17. | |
England, Wales and Northern Ireland, eventually reaching Scotland. And | :51:18. | :51:19. | |
then we are back into the mild air by the time we get back into the | :51:20. | :51:21. | |
start of next week. Hello it's, Friday, it's 10am, | :51:22. | :51:27. | |
I'm Joanna Gosling, welcome to the programme if | :51:28. | :51:29. | |
you've just joined us. Coming up before 11: Are children | :51:30. | :51:31. | |
in residential care being failed We'll be talking exclusively | :51:32. | :51:34. | |
to the man who's leading a review of care homes in England - | :51:35. | :51:38. | |
and he'll be talking to our audience It is a great opportunity to talk | :51:39. | :51:48. | |
through the issues. Stay with us, coming up in a moment. | :51:49. | :51:50. | |
Women are told that being overweight is the single biggest threat | :51:51. | :51:52. | |
But will people listen to the warning? | :51:53. | :51:59. | |
Obesity, rather like smoking, contributes to a vast amount. | :52:00. | :52:05. | |
Do you think larger people like to be large, do you think we've | :52:06. | :52:08. | |
If it was preventable, or possible to cure it we would. | :52:09. | :52:18. | |
No larger person gets up in the morning and says, | :52:19. | :52:20. | |
We'll find out how one family from Syria is trying to build | :52:21. | :52:26. | |
There is no space, my room is very small, there is no space for my baby | :52:27. | :52:37. | |
to play, only to sleep. Obesity is such a threat to women's | :52:38. | :52:46. | |
health that it should be declared a national risk - according | :52:47. | :52:53. | |
to England's Chief Medical Officer. Dame Sally Davies says obesity | :52:54. | :52:56. | |
is so serious it should be a priority for the whole population, | :52:57. | :52:58. | |
but particularly for women because too often it | :52:59. | :53:01. | |
shortened their lives. We need to help women understand how | :53:02. | :53:10. | |
it limits life in very many ways. And we need to, by helping women and | :53:11. | :53:16. | |
everyone, make healthy options the easy option. | :53:17. | :53:19. | |
Scotland Yard say police have shot a man during an intelligence | :53:20. | :53:21. | |
led operation in the Wood Green area | :53:22. | :53:23. | |
The man's condition is unknown and there are no reports | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
Climate change talks in Paris are extended until Saturday, | :53:28. | :53:32. | |
to try to reach agreement on tackling global warming - | :53:33. | :53:34. | |
but there are reports of progress in several crucial areas. | :53:35. | :53:40. | |
Businesses have reacted furiously after the government announced | :53:41. | :53:42. | |
a delay in deciding whether to expand London's Heathrow Airport. | :53:43. | :53:48. | |
The Prime Minister has said the decision will be made next summer, | :53:49. | :53:53. | |
after further research on the environmental impact. | :53:54. | :53:54. | |
Former Glasgow Rangers footballer Arnold Peralta has been shot dead | :53:55. | :53:56. | |
while on holiday in his hometown in Honduras. | :53:57. | :53:58. | |
Peralta had been due to play for his national team in a friendly | :53:59. | :54:02. | |
Let's catch up with all the sport now. | :54:03. | :54:09. | |
Good morning again. Bad news again for Uefa President Michel Platini. | :54:10. | :54:18. | |
The Court of Arbitration for Sport refused to allow him back to work | :54:19. | :54:20. | |
and end his 90 basis pension from football early. Platini has denied | :54:21. | :54:26. | |
taking a payment from Sepp Blatter, as an investigation into the pair | :54:27. | :54:30. | |
continues. Richard Conway is in Paris for us. What has CAS had to | :54:31. | :54:36. | |
say this morning. What the court have decided is they | :54:37. | :54:42. | |
want a decision against, over the case against Platini, to be decided | :54:43. | :54:46. | |
over the 90 day period he is currently serving, they don't want | :54:47. | :54:49. | |
it extended beyond that. They say that for now the suspension remains | :54:50. | :54:52. | |
in place, and that eventually that final decision can be made to bring | :54:53. | :54:58. | |
clarity to the case. That is where it stands. In a bit of limbo but we | :54:59. | :55:01. | |
expect further develop meets next week. We expect hearings as Fifa's | :55:02. | :55:07. | |
Ethics Committee build to a final judgment, and we expect that as | :55:08. | :55:11. | |
early as Monday 21st of December. How much can we read into the | :55:12. | :55:18. | |
decision from CAS, because it was suggested in many quarters that if | :55:19. | :55:21. | |
he was allowed to end his ban early you may have concrete evidence to | :55:22. | :55:27. | |
suggest he was innocent. Michel Platini is trying to provide | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
evidence to show that, as he says, is an innocent party. What the court | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
has been asked to do is not look at the facts but whether it was fair to | :55:37. | :55:39. | |
exclude him from the Fifa presidential process. Platini wants | :55:40. | :55:45. | |
to succeed setback to in the election. He's banned from all | :55:46. | :55:49. | |
football activity at the moment. He cannot be a candidate in the Fifa | :55:50. | :55:52. | |
presidential election. He went to the court and asked if it could be | :55:53. | :55:56. | |
lifted, is this fair, I want to be a candidate. The court came back to | :55:57. | :55:59. | |
say he would get a final decision in the next few weeks, that will be | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
fair. If it goes beyond that you can come back and talk to spend. For now | :56:04. | :56:08. | |
the facts of the case remain to be inevitably we will be back in this | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
situation in a few weeks in January if the case goes against him. There | :56:13. | :56:17. | |
is a big Euro 2016 draw tomorrow. The Uefa meeting too as well. Uefa | :56:18. | :56:24. | |
is here in Paris for the big Euro 2016 draw taking place tomorrow. I | :56:25. | :56:28. | |
can tell you that Michel Platini was ready and waiting to go to that draw | :56:29. | :56:31. | |
tomorrow. He wasn't going to take part in it but he was going to be in | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
the audience and watching on, a symbol as he saw it, that he was | :56:36. | :56:39. | |
back in business and back as a candidate for Fifa aback as | :56:40. | :56:42. | |
President of Uefa. That has all been put back on hold. We await a final | :56:43. | :56:48. | |
verdict from Fifa's Ethics Committee, that will be on the 21st | :56:49. | :56:53. | |
of December and based on what happens in that judgment we will see | :56:54. | :56:57. | |
if it goes to appeal again, whether Michel Platini, if cleared, is back | :56:58. | :57:00. | |
in business and back as a Fifa presidential candidate. | :57:01. | :57:06. | |
Thank you for joining us, Richard. That's all the sport for now, I will | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
have the rest of the headlines at 10:30am. | :57:11. | :57:11. | |
Great stuff, thank you. Hello - | :57:12. | :57:13. | |
thank you for joining us this morning, welcome to the programme | :57:14. | :57:15. | |
if you've just joined us, we're on BBC 2 and the BBC News | :57:16. | :57:17. | |
Channel until 11am this morning. Your contributions to this | :57:18. | :57:21. | |
programme and your expertise There has been a big response from | :57:22. | :57:26. | |
you about our conversation earlier on women and obesity. Lots of you | :57:27. | :57:32. | |
disagreeing with Catherine. Shirley says I'm fed up with a obese people | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
blaming everyone else but themselves. It is their choice and | :57:37. | :57:39. | |
theirs alone what they eat. Why should the taxpayer shoulder what is | :57:40. | :57:43. | |
yet another self-inflicted burden? And analyst text says if it was | :57:44. | :57:49. | |
manufacturers' fault, everybody would be obese, it's up to the | :57:50. | :57:53. | |
individual. Get involved, texts charged at the standard rate. | :57:54. | :57:55. | |
And of course you can watch the programme online wherever | :57:56. | :57:58. | |
you are - via the bbc news app or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria. | :57:59. | :58:01. | |
You can also subscribe to all our features on the news app, | :58:02. | :58:04. | |
by going to add topics and searching 'Victoria Derbyshire'. | :58:05. | :58:06. | |
This morning we're speaking exclusively to Sir Martin Narey | :58:07. | :58:12. | |
who is heading the review of residential care homes | :58:13. | :58:14. | |
The Government launched a wide ranging review in October 2015 | :58:15. | :58:21. | |
and Martin Narey's report is due in Spring 2016. | :58:22. | :58:24. | |
The Department for Education hopes it will help prevent a life | :58:25. | :58:27. | |
of disadvantage for some of the most vulnerable children in care - | :58:28. | :58:30. | |
children who are less likely to do well at school and more likely | :58:31. | :58:33. | |
to take part in risky behaviour than their classmates. | :58:34. | :58:35. | |
There are more than 8,000 children and young people | :58:36. | :58:37. | |
the leaving age is 18-years-old compared to a leaving age | :58:38. | :58:44. | |
of 21 for those living in foster care. | :58:45. | :58:47. | |
Around ?1 billion is spent every year by local government | :58:48. | :58:50. | |
in England to cover the cost of children's care home places. | :58:51. | :58:53. | |
Here to talk about this in his first broadcast interview | :58:54. | :58:56. | |
as the Chair of the review - is Sir Martin Narey. | :58:57. | :58:58. | |
We also have an audience of people with us who live in care - | :58:59. | :59:02. | |
or have recently left, people who work in children's homes | :59:03. | :59:04. | |
or have other personal experiences of residential care. | :59:05. | :59:07. | |
Thank you for joining us. Martin, first of all, tell us, the | :59:08. | :59:16. | |
review was launched in October. Where have you got in terms of | :59:17. | :59:19. | |
working out what the scope is going to be? I'm still very much in the | :59:20. | :59:25. | |
preliminary stages. It's an incredibly complex matter. But it is | :59:26. | :59:31. | |
a fascinating matter, and I believe desperately that we can do better | :59:32. | :59:36. | |
with the ?1 billion we spend on these 8000 children. But it's very | :59:37. | :59:39. | |
the catered. I'm still meeting people and listening to people, very | :59:40. | :59:42. | |
interested in the comments from people this morning, all of whom | :59:43. | :59:49. | |
know far more than me about this at the moment. Do you feel you have a | :59:50. | :59:52. | |
clear direction question you said the one being pounds spent on kids | :59:53. | :59:59. | |
in residential care could be as bent better, would that mean taking them | :00:00. | :00:05. | |
out of care? -- could be spent better. I generally don't no. I've | :00:06. | :00:12. | |
seen great staff in residential care, working in residential care. | :00:13. | :00:17. | |
If they worked in Germany or Denmark they'd be the most highly praised, | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
the highest status social workers in the country. They are not regarded | :00:21. | :00:24. | |
with the same respect here. But my sense is they do some tremendous | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
work with the most difficult and challenging children. The children | :00:29. | :00:31. | |
have not done anything wrong. They've been damaged by neglect at | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
home and often successive foster care placements. When they leave | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
care they sometimes leave care, as you piece showed, terribly abruptly. | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
They get into great difficulties. I sense we can do better. I'm not | :00:44. | :00:49. | |
limited to save we should only spend ?1 billion and I've not been asked | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
by the government to drive down numbers and spend less, I've been | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
asked for my ideas about how we can do better. We have an open mind and | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
lots of people here with experience that they want to share with you. | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
Let's star with you, Hayley. Tell us about your experiences | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
I was taken into full-time care at six and was with a foster carer for | :01:09. | :01:16. | |
numerous years. Different types, non-authority, private and local | :01:17. | :01:22. | |
authority. I moved to a kids' home when I was 15 and stayed until I was | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
18 and then moved on to semi-independence. What would you | :01:28. | :01:32. | |
take from your experiences that would be helpful for you to tell | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
Martin in terms of how to make sure people have as good as possible and | :01:38. | :01:43. | |
experience? I enjoyed my time in residential care, it was amazing, as | :01:44. | :01:50. | |
malt unit but there was no stay put scheme for residential kids, it was | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
only four foster placements. Explain what that was. It is where you can | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
stay until you are 21 with your foster carers, working through your | :01:59. | :02:09. | |
financials. Is that an obvious discrepancy which can be dealt with | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
easily? It is but it is not clear that all children in residential | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
care would want to stay on and there are difficulties about having | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
children becoming adults in residential care. What is obvious is | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
that I don't think it happens very often but the suggestion we should | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
take any child on, reaching their 18th day, and put them in a flat on | :02:34. | :02:39. | |
their own, when we are still driving our own kids University and caring | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
for them, is preposterous, and I've think there is easily something we | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
can do to improve matters. -- driving them to university. Most | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
residential care homes I have seen trying not to do that. I was in a | :02:54. | :03:04. | |
care home recently and she had left a care home previously and | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
routinely, she dropped in for a slice of toast and they offered her | :03:08. | :03:10. | |
the same sort of care that they would have done if she were a | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
mother. There was a lot of that where care homes are not paid but | :03:16. | :03:18. | |
they do it conscientiously. That sounds good. You are 19, you were in | :03:19. | :03:24. | |
foster care from six years of age and lived there until 11. My mum and | :03:25. | :03:31. | |
dad had mental health problems so I was put into foster care when I was | :03:32. | :03:38. | |
six and I was there but moved to about 13 foster placements. It was | :03:39. | :03:46. | |
difficult. I was angry at the time so I was breathing. I did not really | :03:47. | :03:53. | |
understand. Residential care was better for me, I was not invading | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
anyone's family life, I could build relationships. My care worker told | :03:58. | :04:05. | |
the care home not to contact me and even my support with her and the | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
other support team did not help me. I have help from my family and | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
friends but it was bad to leave, that was the hardest part. Such a | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
destructive childhood but you found your feet when you went into | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
residential care? That is counter to what a lot of people might expect. | :04:24. | :04:29. | |
Well, I was off for five years so I dealt relationships. -- I was there. | :04:30. | :04:36. | |
-- I built relationships. They helped me to understand who I was | :04:37. | :04:42. | |
and why I was angry. What support was there for you? I had a key | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
worker, a number of key workers. Were they like the parents? Yes, I | :04:47. | :04:57. | |
have one now got me onto this show. -- who got me. They are like a | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
family, they are great. Let's bring in VB. Currently in a small | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
children's home with just two other young people and staff. -- Phoebe. | :05:07. | :05:17. | |
Us about your expenses. I was there for two years and I kept making the | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
same mistakes when I was living at home so I got put into Stafford and | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
I made one mistake when I was there, and since then, I have been to | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
college, got a job, and now I am moving on to semi-independence and | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
doing my own thing, taking driving lessons. When you see kept making | :05:34. | :05:40. | |
mistakes... I was running away. -- when you say. I got put into care | :05:41. | :05:47. | |
but I kept running away when I was put into a care home so I was put | :05:48. | :05:50. | |
into Stafford, and ran away once when I was there, and since that | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
mistake, I got a job, went to college, started driving lessons. | :05:56. | :06:02. | |
What turned things around? It is moving out of that circle of people | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
who I was with. Moving away from that has made me change. I am not | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
with them any more. Like, I have made my own friends, I got a job, | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
went to college, it's driving lessons, it changes you. Bail, | :06:17. | :06:23. | |
sitting next to you, is the manager of the children's home where you | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
live. What is your perspective? -- Dale. We are proud of her | :06:30. | :06:37. | |
live. What is your perspective? -- the appalling things was moving away | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
people are often run into something people are often run into something | :06:42. | :06:48. | |
not away from something. Keeping a distance between | :06:49. | :06:50. | |
not away from something. Keeping a associating with who were putting | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
her at risk was important, she had time and space to stop and think | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
about what she was doing, the support from us -- with support from | :06:58. | :07:04. | |
us. Expand on that because people might think it is better for anybody | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
who has been taken away from their home to stay in the area because it | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
is where they go to school and whatever, there are links that might | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
denude, but you are saying that sometimes it is the opposite. Yes. | :07:17. | :07:27. | |
-- might continue. She was running away | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
-- might continue. She was running putting her into a residential home | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
in the same area meant she was at risk of being drawn to the same | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
undesirable people who exploit her. To actually separate her from that | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
group of people meant we were able to keep her safe and I believe that | :07:43. | :07:49. | |
it is almost like a weight of Phoebe's shoulders. The sort of home | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
you are talking about is not necessarily the image that a lot of | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
people might have, traditional view of a children's home. A large | :07:58. | :07:59. | |
establishment with lots of kids. of a children's home. A large | :08:00. | :08:07. | |
Absolutely not. What is it like? The ethos is to create a family | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
environment and in any family the centre of that family, everything | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
you do and think about, the young person, your children. Likewise, the | :08:18. | :08:24. | |
home we are at, the children form the most important part of that, the | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
centre of what we think about and do. Even if | :08:29. | :08:30. | |
centre of what we think about and are thought about so we can support | :08:31. | :08:31. | |
them. They actually feel are thought about so we can support | :08:32. | :08:37. | |
worthy, valued and loved for and cared for. What have your | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
experiences been? I have been cared for. What have your | :08:42. | :08:47. | |
residential care that have been in cared for. What have your | :08:48. | :08:49. | |
the care system cared for. What have your | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
was with my last foster parents for ten years. I cannot stress the | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
importance of being within a loving and stable family environment. I | :08:58. | :09:04. | |
think young people and children in care are amongst the most vulnerable | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
people in society, and I really think it is important to provide | :09:10. | :09:10. | |
that young person with think it is important to provide | :09:11. | :09:16. | |
very stable, have the right people amongst them to boost them and push | :09:17. | :09:23. | |
them to give them a supportive environment. I currently live in a | :09:24. | :09:31. | |
loving home and without the backbone and support of parents that pushed | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
me and kept me on the straight and narrow through difficult times... | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
Young people in care do have very difficult and angry times and | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
confused people. You work voluntarily care homes, is that | :09:45. | :09:52. | |
right? I was working as a councillor for Lambeth Council. When you see | :09:53. | :09:59. | |
these kids and where it is going wrong, what is it for you that is | :10:00. | :10:04. | |
going wrong? It is a lot about leaving care, there is not a lot of | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
support young people who have left care, financially and in terms of | :10:10. | :10:16. | |
supporting that carer emotionally -- that care lever emotionally, and | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
providing that information and knowledge to live and to do normal | :10:22. | :10:29. | |
things that they should do at aged 18. It is not a good situation that | :10:30. | :10:37. | |
people leave their homes and environment when they are 18, they | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
need that knowledge and support in a normal case, at a normal family | :10:43. | :10:45. | |
home, a young person would not leave at 18 to live by themselves and pay | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
Bills, so I think that needs to be rethought. Martin, what do you make | :10:52. | :11:01. | |
about this on what is jumping out at you? This issue of leaving care and | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
the fact we do something to ease children into adulthood and carry on | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
the support they need. Bearing in mind the stories you have got here, | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
these are great successes and they have gone on into higher education | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
and have done well. There are lots of children and young adults who are | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
having a terrible time and have found the transition to an altered | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
overwhelming and have got into trouble, getting into the criminal | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
justice system. It is those we have to redress and we have to give them | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
the extended care and support that we as parents give to our own kids. | :11:39. | :11:45. | |
-- have two address. When you are 36 but you had a tough time and ended | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
up in prison, talkers rue that. I was adopted from age to my adoption | :11:50. | :11:58. | |
broke down when I was about eight, and I... At the age of eight? What | :11:59. | :12:08. | |
with the issues? -- what were the issues # I was quite disruptive | :12:09. | :12:15. | |
child but my adoptive parents had issues that she needed to deal with. | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
You moved on from there. That broke down and I got put into local | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
authority care and that is where I stayed. Because I was deemed a | :12:25. | :12:30. | |
troubled child, because I was deemed destructive, I went from pillar to | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
post, from children's home to children's home, from boarding | :12:35. | :12:37. | |
school to boarding school, until eventually at the age of 15, I was | :12:38. | :12:45. | |
hurt in a bed and breakfast and told to collect ?110 a week. -- I was | :12:46. | :12:53. | |
put. On your own? On my own in a bed and breakfast until a month before I | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
was 16, I was given the keys to my own independent flat which at the | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
time, I thought it was great, parties and this and that, it was | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
everything! At the same time, looking back at it, that has to be a | :13:08. | :13:14. | |
big neglect from Islington social services. Could that happen now? | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
Yes, it still does. I think it happens much less than is suggested. | :13:20. | :13:29. | |
It should not ever happen. I have not seen any foster carers or | :13:30. | :13:31. | |
residential growers who have let that happen but sometimes it is | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
children who walk away and we have to do something to prevent that, but | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
when someone reaches adulthood and they want nothing to do with their | :13:40. | :13:45. | |
carers, you might have to be around to pick up the pieces. I work with a | :13:46. | :13:51. | |
lot of young people now who are leaving care with an organisation | :13:52. | :13:55. | |
called the Big House and we still see it today, 16-year-olds getting | :13:56. | :14:03. | |
keys to a flat. I must talk to because that is outrageous. The | :14:04. | :14:09. | |
organisation I work with, we bridge mainstream society, budgeting, | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
healthy eating, psychological therapy, drama. But there was never | :14:15. | :14:21. | |
an organisation like that when I was young and if it were not for an | :14:22. | :14:24. | |
organisation like this, these young people we deal with would still be | :14:25. | :14:32. | |
damaged if you like. Residential care and children services, they do | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
not want that to happen. If it happens, it is outrageous that I | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
believe it happened in a minority of cases. -- children's. I will talk to | :14:42. | :14:47. | |
you. Is bring in dog who has been at foster carer for 18 years. -- Doug. | :14:48. | :14:55. | |
You have a wealth of experience. We have a sign in our home which says, | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
be nice to me, I live with teenagers. Many of us can identify | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
with that. Tell us what you can share about your experiences of how | :15:03. | :15:09. | |
to help children in care because obviously they have come from | :15:10. | :15:12. | |
troubled backgrounds. We must not lose sight of the fact that a lot of | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
young people in the care system have developmental issues as a result of | :15:18. | :15:23. | |
their early experiences, and that is what informs their judgments and | :15:24. | :15:26. | |
actions as they go through life. A lot of them, a number of them are | :15:27. | :15:32. | |
not happy in foster care. They have had issues they cannot form | :15:33. | :15:39. | |
relationships with families. We have five young people who have been | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
looked after who have caused issues within the placement because they do | :15:45. | :15:50. | |
not fit in, it does not suit them. Their way of expressing it is to | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
misbehave and become bad children. And to show what behaviours that are | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
not acceptable. They have gone on in some cases to residential care and | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
benefited from that. We have also had the opposite end of the effect | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
where we have recently had a young person who has come through some | :16:09. | :16:11. | |
residential care, came to us at the age of 13 and over the last six | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
months we have helped him integrate into his family. He is now back home | :16:16. | :16:21. | |
living with his birth family. And so we have seen both ends of it and we | :16:22. | :16:24. | |
can see the importance and value that residential care has. Tell us | :16:25. | :16:31. | |
more, I know this is an interesting point you wanted to pick up on, | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
Martin, about the kids who don't necessarily fit into a foster care | :16:38. | :16:40. | |
home because the level of support is not there. What level of support do | :16:41. | :16:44. | |
they need? If we could get every child to do well in foster care, as | :16:45. | :16:50. | |
we have heard today, ten years in foster care, people who are really | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
your parents, that would be the model we wouldn't abandon. But there | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
are some children who we will try in foster care over and over again | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
despite the efforts of fantastic people. He didn't tell you he took | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
the child at half hour's notice last night. These are remarkable people | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
but some children will not survive there. If you can identify who those | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
children are and get them into residential care earlier and give | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
them stability in residential care, as Phoebe has done, they will do | :17:24. | :17:26. | |
rather well. There is something about finding out which of the | :17:27. | :17:29. | |
children who will do well in foster care and which of them who won't, | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
and perhaps getting in them into residential care early, or perhaps | :17:34. | :17:36. | |
blurring the distinction between residential care and foster care. On | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
the figures, if there are 8000 children in residential care, | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
potentially do you think they are all the sorts of children that we | :17:46. | :17:48. | |
are talking about here who need to be there, or might the numbers be | :17:49. | :17:54. | |
reduced? I think every local authority and social worker, if I | :17:55. | :17:56. | |
can find a family placement that will work for a child they are doing | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
that first. Most children in residential care will have had five | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
or more family placements. They will have been tried in fostering on many | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
occasions and they will have left and tried again and left. Sometimes | :18:09. | :18:14. | |
they ricochet between foster care, residential care, foster care, | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
residential care. It is by no means unusual to meet someone in care | :18:19. | :18:22. | |
who's been in 24, 25 different placements. Just to go on what Doug | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
said about forming relationships and young people not willing to put the | :18:28. | :18:30. | |
work into form relationships, it's actually about trust and whether | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
they should actually invest in forming irreligion ship when every | :18:35. | :18:41. | |
time they have tried that, in their mind's eye, they have been moved. In | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
their mind they have got it wrong. Phoebe said she made mistakes. She | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
didn't do anything wrong at all. You thought it was a reflection of you | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
rather than your personal circumstances. I was living at my | :18:58. | :19:03. | |
mum's house. It wasn't working. But you thought it was your fault? It | :19:04. | :19:10. | |
was my fault. Why do you say that? Dale says it was not your fault. My | :19:11. | :19:16. | |
mum lanes it on me. I don't know, I was the youngest in my family, not | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
the youngest youngest but the fourth youngest. I got treated differently | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
to everyone else because I was in the middle age. The only way to help | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
myself was to run, to get myself out of it. Let's bring in Krish, because | :19:31. | :19:36. | |
we have not heard from you. You've been a foster carer for ten years, | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
tell us your perspective. We have been foster carers for ten years, we | :19:42. | :19:47. | |
are foster carers and we have our own kids. You have six kids in | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
are foster carers and we have our house? I work for a network of | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
foster carers and adopted carers across the country that tries to | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
find more carers. There are systemic problems in the residential care | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
system. When we saw the terrible paedophile rings preying on young | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
girls in Rochdale and in Oxfordshire, often they were coming | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
out of residential care homes, because there was not enough staff | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
and not enough funding. Some of the staff there in some of those | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
circumstances were low-paid workers, low skills. Compare that with | :20:22. | :20:28. | |
Scandinavia where they have more of a therapeutic culture, where | :20:29. | :20:30. | |
residential homes are not seen as the last ditch for people who have | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
failed in foster care, at a viable alternative for some young people | :20:35. | :20:36. | |
that need that. alternative for some young people | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
anything like that here. You only end up in residential care when | :20:41. | :20:43. | |
you've been to five or six different foster carers. Young people will | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
sense that, foster carers. Young people will | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
ditch hope for you. That is foster carers. Young people will | :20:52. | :20:53. | |
was going to say and that's the problem, when a young person is put | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
into care, whether it is foster care or residential care, the first time | :20:58. | :21:00. | |
they go into foster care they already feel like an outsider. | :21:01. | :21:03. | |
they go into foster care they already feel like a second-class | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
citizen. When they are getting put from foster home to foster home, and | :21:10. | :21:12. | |
told the last resort is now a from foster home to foster home, and | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
residential home you give up on yourself. There is nothing more for | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
you. We need a culture change, we need more support for foster caring. | :21:23. | :21:26. | |
If they had more training of more support less of them would break | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
down. Loss of our caseworkers have incredible caseloads at the moment | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
so lots of the placements are not well transitioned what thought | :21:37. | :21:46. | |
through. I think you need to bear in mind, lots of these children have | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
been badly damaged by what happened to them at home. Their ability to | :21:50. | :21:55. | |
trust adults is gravely hampered by that. When they have had five or six | :21:56. | :21:59. | |
foster placements, it's difficult for them to settle into residential | :22:00. | :22:02. | |
care for stop one of the lessons for me is we need to intervene early. We | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
need to rescue some of these children from neglect before Iraq -- | :22:07. | :22:13. | |
irreparable damage is done. The keyword for me that has been used in | :22:14. | :22:16. | |
almost every interview I have had and heard so much this morning is | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
stability. Children need to be in the same place and know they belong | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
somewhere and know they will not change just homes but not schools | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
will stop perhaps this time next year. Report back. I would love to. | :22:28. | :22:35. | |
Martin, I know that you want to hear from anybody out there who has | :22:36. | :22:36. | |
experience on this. The review headed up by Sir Martin | :22:37. | :22:50. | |
covers England but in Scotgland there was a review in 2009 - | :22:51. | :22:57. | |
and the Scottish Government has recently announced a new strategy | :22:58. | :23:00. | |
which includes introducing a degree qualification for staff | :23:01. | :23:02. | |
who work in children's In Northern Ireland there | :23:03. | :23:04. | |
was a review in 2013 which recommended that they increase | :23:05. | :23:07. | |
the number of smaller children's That is something we have talked | :23:08. | :23:10. | |
about here. And in Wales, the introduction | :23:11. | :23:13. | |
of new laws in 2016 and 2017 are hoped to overhaul | :23:14. | :23:16. | |
the way care is delivered, including placements | :23:17. | :23:18. | |
for looked-after children, framework for regulating children's | :23:19. | :23:20. | |
homes. The Chief Executive | :23:21. | :23:26. | |
of Southern Health NHS Foundation Trust has said | :23:27. | :23:37. | |
It was after a BBC News revealed that more than a thousand | :23:38. | :23:40. | |
unexpected deaths had not More than 1000 and expected deaths | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
of mental health and learning disability patients have not been | :23:46. | :23:48. | |
investigated by the trust. She has spoken to our social affairs | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
correspondent Michael Buchanan. He is in Southampton for us now. What | :23:54. | :24:01. | |
has she said? The embattled Chief Executive of Southern health has not | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
been seen for a couple of days since widespread failings were revealed at | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
the trust that she runs. There in mind this report that we saw blamed | :24:10. | :24:12. | |
the senior leadership saying there was a failure of leadership at Seven | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
Health that led to these problems. We have of course made repeated | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
efforts to get an interview with Katrina Percy but she did not want | :24:23. | :24:26. | |
to meet as so early this morning we went to meet her. | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
Obviously it is absolutely tragic whenever anybody loses a loved one. | :24:31. | :24:37. | |
I'm very sorry to them. And of course, we do investigate and talk | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
to families. We really have looked to improve our processes for that. I | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
was just checking with my clinical leaders yesterday to reassure | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
myself, in the last six months in every investigation we have done the | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
families have been involved in every single one of those cases. I'm | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
really sorry we haven't got some of our investigations right in the | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
past. Clearly that's the case. Jeremy Hunt has said he is shocked | :25:06. | :25:11. | |
by what has happened. Are you apologising to the family and will | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
you be resigning? My job is to lead a very large organisation and make | :25:16. | :25:18. | |
sure we have the right environment for our doctors and nurses who | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
worked really hard every single day without patience. That is my job and | :25:22. | :25:27. | |
I'm continuing to do that at the moment -- patients. Katrina Percy | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
was defiant in those few minutes when she spoke to us. She | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
essentially said that she contests the findings of this NHS England | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
commissioned report. She said they had failed to understand the numbers | :25:42. | :25:47. | |
they had provided to them. She also went on to say that the trust here | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
is not an outlier in terms of the number of unexpected deaths that | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
occur. She said as well that they have now changed their processes | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
overhauled their processes, in fact, and in their words they now contact | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
every family in the process of an investigation. One of the key | :26:06. | :26:08. | |
findings of the regional report was that in nearly two thirds of cases | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
the trust did not involve any families at all. | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
Thank you, Michael. Thank you for joining us today. | :26:19. | :26:25. | |
We'll have a special report from Germany speaking | :26:26. | :26:28. | |
to Syrian refugees trying to make a new life there | :26:29. | :26:30. | |
And overweight women are warned they're risking their health - | :26:31. | :26:34. | |
we'll speak to one woman about her battle to shed | :26:35. | :26:36. | |
A man has died after he was shot during an intelligence led operation | :26:37. | :26:48. | |
in the Wood Green area of north London this morning. There are no | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
reports of any other injuries. Scotland Yard says the operation was | :26:53. | :26:53. | |
not related to terrorism. Obesity is such a threat to women's | :26:54. | :26:56. | |
health that it should be declared a national risk - | :26:57. | :26:59. | |
according to England's Dame Sally Davies says obesity | :27:00. | :27:01. | |
is so serious it should be a priority for the whole population, | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
but particularly for women because too often it | :27:06. | :27:07. | |
shortens their lives. We need to make women undertsand how | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
it limits life in many ways and we need to, by helping women | :27:13. | :27:18. | |
and everyone, make healthy options Climate change talks in Paris | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
are extended until Saturday, to try to reach agreement | :27:22. | :27:33. | |
on tackling global warming - but there are reports of progress | :27:34. | :27:35. | |
in several crucial areas. A number of difficult issues have | :27:36. | :27:41. | |
been partially resolved but further compromise is needed to conclude a | :27:42. | :27:42. | |
deal. Businesses have reacted furiously | :27:43. | :27:43. | |
after the government announced whether to expand London's Heathrow | :27:44. | :27:45. | |
Airport. The Prime Minister has said | :27:46. | :27:48. | |
the decision will be made next summer after further research | :27:49. | :27:50. | |
on the environmental impact. Approximately 1 million refugees | :27:51. | :27:59. | |
have been registered in Germany this year. Around half of them are | :28:00. | :28:02. | |
Syrian. As the country adapts to the new arrivals are reporter has been | :28:03. | :28:08. | |
to the east of Germany to meet two families. One German, one Syrian. | :28:09. | :28:14. | |
This is Mohammed who is seven, Sophia, who is four, | :28:15. | :28:23. | |
and Nor who is 18 months old. | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
He came ahead of his family, overland to Germany from Syria | :28:29. | :28:31. | |
He was imprisoned by the Syrian regime and so fled. | :28:32. | :28:39. | |
In Syria, he worked in IT, and he is from a family of farmers. | :28:40. | :28:45. | |
He has been granted asylum in Germany and so his wife | :28:46. | :28:48. | |
and children were allowed to join him a month ago. | :28:49. | :28:50. | |
They were flown over from a Turkish refugee camp. | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
Then a week ago, his 15-year-old brother arrived. | :28:56. | :28:59. | |
He braved the journey overland in the hope he could join them | :29:00. | :29:02. | |
His boat almost sank on the crossing to Greece. | :29:03. | :29:18. | |
Because he has been in Germany a year, his family are ahead of many | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
They have an apartment and state benefits while he learns German | :29:23. | :29:25. | |
This man has a daughter who is two, Sophia who is six. | :29:26. | :30:01. | |
His wife Daniela and their youngest, Pierre, who is ten months old. | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
Dirk has lived his whole life here, works in care for the elderly | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
and they know refugees are coming to their town. | :30:10. | :30:35. | |
And this is the new refugee centre, capacity 2000. | :30:36. | :30:38. | |
It opened just a week ago in an old hospital to cope with | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
This is where the new refugees in Germany end up before | :30:43. | :30:50. | |
There have been lots of attacks on refugee centres in Germany. | :30:51. | :30:55. | |
Somebody tried to flood this place before it opened. | :30:56. | :30:59. | |
So the men doing security here said don't show their faces on TV | :31:00. | :31:11. | |
because neo-Nazis could beat them up. | :31:12. | :31:12. | |
One security guard agrees to be on camera and shows us around. | :31:13. | :31:18. | |
There are single men here but many families have also | :31:19. | :31:20. | |
My room is very small and there is no space for my baby. | :31:21. | :31:43. | |
From a plane, an army plane shot him and he lost them. | :31:44. | :32:03. | |
So this man is relaying an attack by a Nazi, | :32:04. | :32:27. | |
we are trying to find out what happened. | :32:28. | :32:29. | |
It was outside here and they asked me... | :32:30. | :32:31. | |
Three refugees were attacked by two men with five dogs. | :32:32. | :32:42. | |
There is some hostility here but it is at a peace compared | :32:43. | :32:45. | |
Some people here don't think there should be | :32:46. | :33:15. | |
so many refugees coming. Why do you think people | :33:16. | :33:18. | |
Saturday afternoon in the town and there are two stalls, | :33:19. | :34:14. | |
one representing each side of the refugee debate. | :34:15. | :34:21. | |
Both had advertised they would be here in the local paper. | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
Dirk and his family are here to see both. | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
So he has just told me that the political party | :34:29. | :34:31. | |
here are the former Socialist party here when this was East Germany. | :34:32. | :34:33. | |
The other side is the AFD which stands for Alternative for | :34:34. | :35:28. | |
A right-wing party that opposes the arrival of so many refugees. | :35:29. | :35:42. | |
Many young guys are told that when you come to Germany, | :35:43. | :35:44. | |
you will get a house, a lot of money and so on. | :35:45. | :35:53. | |
When in Germany you say something harsh about asylum seekers it can | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
very easily happen that you are going to be reported | :35:57. | :35:58. | |
Do you mind if you are called racist? | :35:59. | :36:07. | |
They can tell me whatever they want as long as they listen to me | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
and think about what I am trying to say. | :36:12. | :36:13. | |
Will your party grow because of the refugee situation? | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
The majority of the refugees here are Muslim and Dirk | :36:19. | :36:33. | |
gets involved in debates because of the negative things | :36:34. | :36:35. | |
The man tells him Islam is not aggressive and that ISIS does not | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
These Muslims hand out the Koran and said to locals that they do not | :36:41. | :36:47. | |
need to worry as the numbers increase. | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
And you can see Catrin's full documentary - | :36:52. | :37:05. | |
"Welcome to Germany" - tomorrow night and Sunday night | :37:06. | :37:07. | |
at 9.30 PM on the BBC News Channel and on iPlayer from tomorrow. | :37:08. | :37:14. | |
You may have seen our studio discussion with various people who | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
had experience of care, whether living in it or working in it. Judy | :37:20. | :37:25. | |
said it is vital to hear these powerful stories of children who | :37:26. | :37:30. | |
experience the care system. Ben said that there are amazing people doing | :37:31. | :37:33. | |
fantastic work in residential care every day, trust me. Someone else | :37:34. | :37:39. | |
said, is residential care failing? Yes, the system and staff are bad, | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
they don't do their jobs properly or listen to the children's voices. | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
Rogers said there is the problem, the children are no more important | :37:48. | :37:49. | |
than the adults. Let's go back to our top story | :37:50. | :37:51. | |
on that warning from England's most senior doctor that obesity is one | :37:52. | :37:56. | |
of the biggest risks to women's health and must be treated | :37:57. | :37:59. | |
as a national priority. Dame Sally Davies, who is the first | :38:00. | :38:02. | |
female Chief Medical Officer, says the problem should be declared | :38:03. | :38:04. | |
a 'national risk' in government planning - alongside | :38:05. | :38:07. | |
terrorism, war and flooding. Earlier on in the programme I spoke | :38:08. | :38:14. | |
to a former chair of the Royal College of GPs and size acceptance | :38:15. | :38:20. | |
campaigner Catherine about their views on the issue, we have had | :38:21. | :38:25. | |
quite a response from you on what Catherine has said in particular. I | :38:26. | :38:32. | |
agree with Dame Sally, it is a public health catastrophe that we | :38:33. | :38:35. | |
are walking into and have been for a number of years and if we do not | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
address it, it will subsume vast amounts of health money certainly, | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
and it will contribute to a great deal of illness and a great deal of | :38:43. | :38:46. | |
problems that we will face going forward. Quantify it, why is it a | :38:47. | :38:55. | |
threat? Take diabetes for example. It's accounts for a lot of the NHS | :38:56. | :39:04. | |
budget and the biggest factor for obesity is diabetes so extrapolate | :39:05. | :39:10. | |
that, vast amounts of our health money, a a year, is spent on a | :39:11. | :39:15. | |
preventable condition. It is contributed to cancer. -- ?120 | :39:16. | :39:22. | |
billion a year. Most women who have knee replacements or osteoarthritis | :39:23. | :39:28. | |
and all sorts of other issues. When you are looking at figures as your | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
piece has shown, half of women are obese as adults, and we are seeing | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
that in children, 20-30% of children are obese, really it is like | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
smoking, you cannot sit back and say it is personal responsibility, we | :39:43. | :39:46. | |
have to say, a good government has do act on the Public health and do | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
something about it. My macro how to use it? I think it is deplorable. It | :39:52. | :39:58. | |
is scare tactics, talking to women in such a way that they feel they | :39:59. | :40:01. | |
are overweight and therefore destined for a terrible future which | :40:02. | :40:04. | |
is not true. Statistics do not bear that out. We are looking at bigger | :40:05. | :40:10. | |
studies than these pronouncements. If you are moderately overweight, | :40:11. | :40:13. | |
you can live longer, this is a Spanish study, I am sure you are | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
aware of it. If you look at the National office of statistics, you | :40:18. | :40:19. | |
will see the biggest killer for women in the UK is Alzheimer's and | :40:20. | :40:25. | |
dementia, followed by heart disease and respiratory problems, said Tammy | :40:26. | :40:30. | |
about these figures, this report is nonsense. -- tell me. We need to | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
talk about something much more serious than if they are overweight. | :40:35. | :40:38. | |
To position it before Christmas is terrorism in itself. Sally Davies is | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
the most senior doctor in the country... Why she not addressing | :40:44. | :40:48. | |
dementia, the biggest killer in the country? -- why is stop why she not | :40:49. | :40:53. | |
talking about respiratory health? People die with dementia, there is | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
skewing of the figures. We talking about obesity, and like smoking it | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
contributes to a vast amount of money. Do you think larger people | :41:04. | :41:10. | |
like to be large? Of course not. Do think we have not tried? If it were | :41:11. | :41:16. | |
preventable or possible to cure it, we would do it. Every large person | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
that gets up in the morning said, I still fat, great, we try and we | :41:22. | :41:27. | |
work, but we know obesity... Catherine, I unbelievably... To | :41:28. | :41:34. | |
equate this with health is a dangerous precedent. I am in | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
agreement with you, I am a GB and I see this every day. This is not | :41:39. | :41:41. | |
about attacking individual women. -- GP. It is about a public health | :41:42. | :41:50. | |
issue. This has to be done at government level. This has to start | :41:51. | :41:58. | |
with children and advertising, and this is not about blaming women. I | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
never said one woman, have you thought about your weight? It is | :42:03. | :42:09. | |
obvious, we look at ourselves in the mirror, 10-15 times a day. This is | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
about saying, we cannot do nothing. Graham says woman with hair in barn | :42:16. | :42:19. | |
is awesome, she speaks the uncomfortable truth. A doctor says, | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
I see the long-term effects of obesity, heart disease, you cannot | :42:24. | :42:29. | |
dispute the facts. A man has been shot dead during a police operation | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
in North London. Our report is at the scene. What happened? We do not | :42:35. | :42:41. | |
know much information but the police are still on scene and over my | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
shoulder, you can see a white police tent there, just outside the house | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
where this happened. What we know is that this was a lease intelligence | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
led operation, the man was shot around 9am, armed officers attended | :42:55. | :43:01. | |
the area. We don't know who the man is, what his condition is that we | :43:02. | :43:09. | |
know that back in July, a man in his 40s was shot outside a cafe and that | :43:10. | :43:16. | |
was related to gang issues. We have no reason to believe the issues are | :43:17. | :43:21. | |
related but we know this man was shot by police in the early hours of | :43:22. | :43:30. | |
this morning. Thank you very much and thank you for your company | :43:31. | :43:33. | |
today. Thank you for all your messages. Obesity got to talking and | :43:34. | :43:42. | |
also our discussion on what to do with children's care homes. Martin | :43:43. | :43:49. | |
is overseeing that review and will us again. Have a lovely day, | :43:50. | :43:55. | |
thereby. -- check in with us again. Bye-bye. | :43:56. | :43:58. |