10/12/2015 Victoria Derbyshire

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The debate continues on where to build a new airport runway.

Ministers were due to decide before Christmas.

But it could be delayed for another 6 months.

David Cameron's expected to make an announcement this evening.

We have exclusive access to a programme to stop reoffending

It targets young adults above the age of 17,

who don't qualify for the support given to youth offenders

in the hope of turning their lives around.

If they do let me out, I've got someone to help to help me into

work. Do you think this could be the end of your life of crime? Yes.

More exam papers than ever are being remarked; that's

what the regulator in England OFQUAL is expected to confirm later today.

Teachers and students have criticised the standard of marking

after several years in which increasing numbers

of papers have had to be re-graded on appeal.

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The debate over airport expansion rages on;

The Government was due to make a decision on whether to build

a new runway at Heathrow as recommended by the Airports

Commission before Christmas, but this week it emerged that this

could get delayed by another six months.

We're expecting an announcement from the Prime Minister this evening.

Businesses are warning that pushing the decision back could cost

We'll discuss that in a moment, but first let's look at how

Why does the UK need another runway in the South East?

60 million Brits travel abroad each year by air

and that figure is steadily increasing.

According to the Airports Commission, which has been looking

into airport capacity, all major south east airports,

such as Heathrow, Gatwick, Luton and Stansted will run out

If that happens it's estimated it could cost the economy

So, the government needs to decide whether to build an extra runway

After three years of deliberation, the Airports Commission said

this summer that Heathrow was the "clear and

Here's what the head of the Commission Sir Howard Davies

The economic benefits of expanding Heathrow are much greater than any

other option. You get additional trade benefits, connectivity

benefits, additional long haul routes to important cities in

emerging markets which will be crucial for our economy in the 21st

century. It was due to make the call before

Christmas, but it's rumoured that's Politically this decision

is a tricky one for David Cameron. He's previously said

he won't support expansion A number of high profile Tories

are also against Heathrow expansion the London Mayor Boris Johnson,

and the man they hope will be the next mayor

Tory MP Zac Goldsmith. This was Boris Johnson at

the party's conference this Autumn. If we are going to build new airport

capacity, let's not bodge it with one runway in the wrong place in a

short-termist old, failed, tired and environmentally disastrous solution.

One of the many things that you and I Zac are right on.

David Cameron may decide later to order another review looking

at the environmental impact of expanding both options.

Another delay will not go down well with businesses.

We can speak now to two business leaders about this potential delay.

Iain Anderson runs the international communications company Cicero

and Baroness Valentine speaks on behalf of London Businesses.

Also James Thornton from environmental group Client

Baroness Valentine, what do you think of the delay? I think it's

completely and utterly pathetic. We have been waiting 50 years, we keep

doing consultations, keep coming up with recommendations, they need to

take a decision. Why do you think the decision is not being made? Do

you think politics is coming into it? Yes, we have spent three years

with an Independent Commission and landed back in the political soup.

The whole point of the Independent Commission was to avoid the

political soup. Iain, what is the impact on business? I think it's

really significant. We have been waiting for a decision for a long

time. I work a lot with inward investors so I spend a lot of time

in the States, Asia and circling over Heathrow, and people are really

asking the question, is the UK serious about ensuring that business

can have open access to British markets? That is a real concern.

James, as you are concerned about the airport expansion, presumably

you welcome another delay, even though it's only six months? Any

decision that gets made and a decision will be made, needs to take

into account the environmental consequences of building extra

capacity. Now, in the UK, we are violating the relevant air pollution

laws. We had to take UK Government to court and we won a judgment in

the UK Supreme Court. The Supreme Court ordered the Government to come

into compliance with air pollution laws "as soon as possible". Now, the

Government is saying that as soon as possible means at least 2025 and the

problem is, expanding he's row would increase the air pollution and they

haven't suggested a way to get around this problem. What do you say

to that? What I would say is that, Davis spent a lot of time looking at

the questions. Heathrow is coming up with answers to this question. Most

of the environmental issues that are going on are about

of the environmental issues that are the airport, rather than the planes

in the sky. This has been looked at, we don't need to look at it again.

Just to Just to add, circling planes at Heathrow, very bad for emissions.

The Government's known it's had to hit the targets for 15 years, what

have they been doing? ! Well, they seem to have been doing nothing.

They stood up in the Supreme Court and said, we had no intention of

coming into compliance. They knew they had to come in at 2000. The

Government's potentially delaying the decision because of their own

inability to act on our pollution. It's pathetic. I think the

Government is delaying the decision for party political reasons. This is

about a problem within the Conservative Party and the

about a problem within the election next year. If you asked,

and the numbers have been done on this, 70% on MPs across Britain

would actually vote for the Davis decision.

That is clear already. It's also clear that the meeting air

pollution targets or legal requirements in Heathrow or in the

rest of the UK is not difficult. Absolutely right. So with those

targets those still outstanding, where would you say that does leave

the airport expansion, is six months even going to be enough? It depends

what they come up with. They have to comply with a plan of air quality

laws as soon as possible. They haven't done that yet. Do you think

Heathrow is the better option, bearing in mind what the others have

been saying about the concerns for the environment with traffic on the

ground? Heathrow appears to have worse air pollution problems than

alternative options, it really does, but any of these situations can be

addressed. Can I just say, it will take ten years once we even make the

decision so we can sort out the air pollution in the ten years before we

actually get a plane off the ground. You can also make it a condition of

the planes taking off. I mean, when this was last decided with Andrew

Adonis in the early 2000s, he said we won't put in any extra capacity

unless we are sure we are complying with the environmental stuff so we

can make it a condition. 40% of our exports travel out of the country by

air. Over half of those exports travel out through Heathrow. You

know, something needs to happen here and quickly.

So put it in figures, the impact of the delay on the economy? So Davis

has already said a further impact of the delay could cost, you know, over

?30 billion for the economy. Actually, getting on with it

could... How is that figure reachd? OK, so they are looking at a figure

around the gross value. Basically what happens in terms of the

opportunities that are being lost, because we are not actually getting

on with this. If we got on with, again according to Davis, we'd also

create 190,000 jobs in terms of construction, but also in terms of

the opportunities across Britain. Which is why the unions have come

out strongly in favour saying please take a decision. Some other numbers

were relevant and meaningful. Air pollution deaths in the UK. This

isn't a hyperthey wantical thing. The Government's own numbers which

are probably conservative, say there are 40,000 people a year die from

air pollution. Very important stuff -- hypothetical.

We are expecting to hear from the Prime Minister later. Thank you all

very much. Do let us know your thoughts on that. We'll hear some of

your thoughts later. French prosecutors have opened

an investigation into the awarding of the 2021 World Athletics

championships to the American The city, in Oregon,

is closely associated Until recently, the new president

of athletics' world governing body, the IAAF Lord Coe was a paid

ambassador for the company. He's denied lobbying

anyone about the bid. Our correspondent Mark Daly has been

following this story. Tell us a bit more about the

decision to award it to Eugene in the first place because that was

controversial from the start? Yes, this story is essentially about the

embattled IAAF's decision to award what's the premier event in the

world, athletics calendar, the World Championships, to Eugene in 2021.

This was controversial because it was done without by pass, the usual

bidding process, much to the annoyance of the Swedish city of

Gothenburg which was planning a rival bid. French prosecutors who've

been investigating allegations of corruption and bribery within the

IAAF, have now turned their attention to this decision. The

French national financial prosecution service have launched a

new investigation into the reasons behind the awarding of the 2021

Championships to Eugene, that is a city closely associated with Nike,

known as the birthplace of Nike. This comes a couple of weeks after

the BBC revealed that Lord Sebastien Coe who is now President, but whilst

Vice-President of the IAAF in January this year, appeared to have

been in discussions with the Nike senior executive, as well as the

then President of the IAAF about his support for the World Championships

coming to Eugene. Why was this an issue? Well, at the time, Lord Coe

was a paid ambassador for Nike, and he was apparently discussing IAAF

business with Nike about an event that they could be seen to

financially benefit from. Now, under mounting pressure, Lord

Coe resigned from his position at Nike two weeks ago. In this

morning's Today programme on Radio Four, Lord Coe was specifically

asked about this and the Eugene bid. We have selected cities before not

within a bidding cycle. There was at that point no bidding cycle and

Eugene was not put forward by the IAAF, it was put forward by the

United States Track Field and by 23-25 votes, my council decided this

was for the foreseeable future the best opportunity to get the world

athletics Championships into the United States. Every sport is

falling over itself to get into the largest sports market in the world.

So this was not, the A-list was not -- A, this was not without precedent

and B, the council made a judgment that for the foreseeable, they were

not. It aggrieves me to say this, but the powerhouse of the United

States track and field that we see at the Olympic Games is not

replicated across the country. They did not have cities like Miami, Los

Angeles, Chicago falling over themselves and this was a city put

forward, not by the IAAF, but by United States Track Field. Mark,

in terms of the French investigation, are there my

implications for Lord Coe? He's already been voluntarily interviewed

by the French police. Not about Eugene specifically, but about the

wider allegations surrounding his predecessor. Now, he stands accused,

he and three others, of pocketing around a million dollars in bribes

where he's been accused of effectively extorting money from

mainly Russian athletes in order to cover up positive doping tests.

There is no suggestion that Lord Coe is at all involved in any of this

and Lord Coe himself has strenuously denied he's ever lobbied Mr Diak.

His support for Eugene was primarily based on fact in his opinion it was

the best city for it. Now that French prosecutors have launched an

investigation, it's likely they'll want to ask Lord Coe what, if

anything, he knows about the reasons behind Mr Diak deciding to opt to

call the surprise vote. That is what I understand of this part of the

investigation. He's got a lot on his plate right now, hasn't he? Nobody

should underestimate the task ahead of Lord Coe. This has been the most

tumultuous 12 months in the sport of athletics history, perhaps more so

than the scandal of 1988 when Ben Johnson tested positive in the final

of the 100 metres in Seoul. Last December we first heard about the

allegations of systematic doping in Russia, in June there was a Panorama

programme about allegations concerning Mo Farah's coach Alberto

Salazar at the Nike Oregon project, shortly after that we heard about

the allegations of systematic blood doping amongst thousands of athletes

and then perhaps most significantly, just a few weeks ago, the World

Anti-Doping Agency produced what can only be described as a davming

indictment of the state of doping within athletic.

The second part of the report, focusing on corruption in the IAAF,

is yet to land. We expect that to be published in the middle of January.

Lord Coe certainly does not have his problems to seek. Thanks very much.

Still to come: A mother and her seven children,

including a baby of just three weeks old, have drowned while trying

to cross the Aegean Sea from Turkey into Greece.

A total of 13 children have been washed up on Turkey's beaches

We'll be speaking to our correspondent there.

Plus, we have exclusive access to a programme to help stop young adults

who have been in prison from reoffending. Often they do not

qualify for the support given to youth offenders. We will find out

why. The Prime Minister, who's in Poland

for talks on European Union reform, says 'meaningful change'

has already begun. Mr Cameron said there was goodwill

and engagement to keep the UK He also said Poland had agreed

to work with Britain There's been more floods misery

for parts of Cumbria and Lancashire. In one village, Glenridding,

the river overtopped its banks People have been moved

to safety overnight. The Army, fire crews and mountain

rescue teams have all been called Our news correspondent Fiona Trott

is in Appleby in Cumbria. Just what they don't need?

Exactly. People all the time keeping an eye on those river levels. Taken

care in Appleby, a flood warning is in place, you can understand why.

The level rising sharply over the last few hours. St Michael's village

in Lancashire, evacuation taking place there at the moment, a lot of

rain water overnight, a lot of flooded homes this morning. A severe

flood warnings in place, which means danger to life. Let me take you now

to lend wedding and show you footage taken by a local shopkeeper. Look

how fast that was going past his shop door last night. That is why

for the second time the military work brought back help fire crews,

help the police to get people out of their homes. They had to use rope to

get people out of one building. That was the situation in Glenridding.

Here in Appleby, people trying to clear up but still worried about the

rain and the river levels. You can see this local shop here, all of the

furniture and stock abandoned on the pavement, and look at the river

level, underneath the bridge. You can see it is still closed, some of

this local shop here, all of the furniture and stock abandoned on the

pavement, and look at the river level, underneath the bridge. You

can see it is still stopping people from going over, one of many bridges

due to be inspected by the military in Cumbria to make sure they are

safe. So, 13 flood warnings in place across England and Wales, one severe

flood warning for Saint Michael's in Lancashire and where the evacuation

is taking place at the moment. Thank you.

French prosecutors are investigating the decision to award the 2021

World Athletics Championships to Eugene in the US state of Oregon.

The city is closely linked to the American sportswear giant, 90. Lord

Coe, until recently an ambassador for the company, has denied lobbying

the bid. The Nuffield Trust says the NHS

will struggle to cope this winter, unless more beds are made

available in care homes. It says more than a third

of hospital beds are taken up by a small group of patients,

mainly fragile and elderly people, and it suggests targeting

more help towards them. The Government says it will robustly

defend a compensation claim being made by one of the killers of

Fusilier Lee Rigby. Michael Adebolajo says he was assaulted two

years ago by officers at Belmarsh prison whilst being restrained.

A surrogate dog in the US has given birth to the world's first

All seven pups, who have three sets of biological parents,

are said to be healthy and doing well at Cornell University

They were born after 19 embryos were transferred to the host

Let's catch up with all the sport now.

After Manchester United went crashing out of the Champions League

on Tuesday night, all eyes turned to Arsenal and Chelsea,

with worries all three could have been playing in the Europa League.

Arsenal needed a two-goal win against Olympiakos in Greece -

Olivier Giroud the hero with a hat-trick in their 3-0 win.

For Chelsea, a point would have been enough at home to Porto -

they won 2-0 to top Group G and ease the pressure on manager Jose

Things looking brighter in elite football,

but what about at the grassroots level?

I'll be talking to Kelly Simmons, FA's Director of Development

and Participation, about the huge investment -

?260 million - pledged over the next four years,

asking how and where the money will be spent.

Many suggesting the cash needed to improve the game should be more,

especially given the huge finances in football.

We'll also talk athletics and Greg Rutherford,

the Olympic gold medallist, still part of the Sports Personality

Of The Year shortlist after previously withdrawing

his nomination.

I'll be back with those stories in more detail in around

Thank you. Lots of you getting in touch about the expected delay to

the decision on airport expansion. We are expecting David Cameron

potentially to delay a decision on Heathrow or Gatwick for another six

months when he talks about it later. Gary says, meanwhile, who is paying

the bill for the earth work currently taking place and work

carried out like to be stationed and wrote in? And other says, there will

be no second or third runway decision the Gatwick or Heathrow

until after the May 2016 London may boat. On Twitter, are there plans to

make North hold the short-haul hub? On Twitter, no decision has been

made for 50 years, which would indicate the extra runway is not

needed, we are fine without it. Another on Twitter, David Cameron

just cannot make difficult decisions.

Do keep getting in touch, not just on that but all of the stories we

are covering today. A mother and her seven children,

the youngest a baby of just three weeks old, have drowned while trying

to cross the Aegean Sea The family were fleeing

the Syrian civil war. In the last ten days,

13 children have been washed up on Turkey's beaches -

their families all trying to make Our reporter Mark Lowen

is following the story from Cesme in Western Turkey and

joins us live now. Tell us what has happened here.

It is a heartbreaking story, the story of a man who came with his

family from Syria, and Islamic State held area, and he, his sister, his

wife and seven children tried to make a short crossing across the

Aegean Sea to a Greek island, tantalisingly close. They paid 7000

US dollars, about ?4000, for what they hoped would be a sturdy boat,

more so than the rubber dinghies that have capsized all too often.

But the engine failed, the boat flooded with water and capsized, and

he lost his wife and seven children. The eldest was nine years old, the

youngest just 20 days old. Sitting on the beach-front here in Cesme,

you told me about the family that he had lost.

TRANSLATION: I had the most affectionate wife.

I took my family out of Syria to escape the killing.

My children could have had a future in Europe.

What is your message to other Syrians who want to make

They said we would reach Greece within 15 minutes.

I advise everyone, don't come, stay in Syria, however

You said this is not an isolated case, and tragically it is not, 13

children have died in the last ten days here. Another bout of six

Afghan children drowned in the last few days as well. Turkey is under

pressure to stem the flow of migrants and refugees, they are

signing a deal with the EU in the next two years to patrol the border,

but with just a fraction of the Syrians here in Turkey living in the

cities and towns, hard to control, and the dream of Europe burning

bright, it will be difficult to restrain those seeking sanctuary

from the Turkish civil war. Let's bring you breaking news about the

number of terror arrests in September. We are hearing from the

Home Office that 315 terror suspects were arrested in the year to

September, a record number. They say that is partly down to a major

increase in the number of females detained. Looking at a breakdown of

the figures, the number of women and girls detained more than doubled

from 21 to 50. The number of under 18-year-olds arrested for terrorism

related offences almost doubled from eight in the year ending September

20 14th to 15th in the year ending this September -- the year ending

September 2014. A record number, we will bring you more on that if we

get it. Coming up: Why the education

regulator is expected to say that more exam papers than ever

were remarked this summer. If you commit a crime

after the age of 17, you're treated as an adult

by the authorities. There's little or none

of the support that's given A committee of MPs is now looking

at whether that should be the case, or if young adults need

special treatment. We've been given exclusive access

to an innovative project in south London which is already trying

to help these offenders. Set up by police officers

at Brixton police station, its aim is to stop them

committing further crimes. This report is from

Ashley John-Baptiste. Literally it was a couple

of weeks after my birthday. I was having a drink,

I threw a plastic bottle out I looked out of the window

and I realised the man I could not speak a word in English

but I understood he was upset. I was under the influence of alcohol

so I went to the kitchen, Got into his car, and he was trying

to call the police so I smashed I tried to stab him a few times,

when he was sitting in his car. I can't really say, I don't

remember how I did it, but I just know he suffered

an injury in his shoulder. I was given a custodial

sentence of four years. Prison for me at the age

of 18 was really hard. The separation from my family,

from my parents, it was hard to understand that now I am

wasting my life in here sitting in a cell when I could have been

studying, trying to get a job. Trying to do things that

are positive to my life. But clearly, because of the choice

that I made, now I am sitting Young adults are treated much

like adult offenders but the evidence shows

they are different. Recent research has found

that they are still maturing, more challenging to manage,

and crucially, more I went back to prison for the simple

reasons that there was no support. I wanted to get a house,

I wanted to get a job, I wanted to get an apprenticeship,

I wanted to do something positive. But the reality is that there

was nothing there and on top of it So if you turn up to a job interview

the first thing they will look at is, do you have

a criminal record? OK, well, let me give it to somebody

else who has those things. People made the assumption

because I am now older I should know And the reality is, that I wasn't

aware of what I am doing, fully. So I needed support,

I needed support in the sense of show me what's

right, what's wrong. Or maybe not necessarily what's

right and what's wrong, but how do I overcome the wrong

to turn it into a right thing? This is often the first part

of the journey for young adult offenders - an overnight

stay in a police cell. A group of police officers

here in Brixton, south London, have decided this is

the crucial time to intervene. They have set up a radical

new project to try and stop young We will go and speak to him,

see if he wants to engage with us. If we can sit down with him we can

find out what the story is. If he wants the help I am sure

we can give it to him. This is a unique new scheme, to try

and stop young adults reoffending. It targets anyone who is brought

into custody here under the age of 25 and tries to get them a job

when they are released. To help them find work

when they are released We are just going to make our way

down to cell seven. A young man called Abdi

was brought in last night I understand you don't

want to be on the camera However, not everyone

wants their help. That's fine, I won't take up

any more of your time, Do you remember my name's Anne-Marie

and I am coordinating Are you still happy

to talk? Do you remember when

you was first arrested? But when he got arrested he pointed

out, saying it was me. I'm just gonna you ask you a few

questions about you and your interests, what sort

of things you like doing, Are you into football,

anything like that? OK, what sort of art and design,

what do you like doing? Design peoples tattoos,

design graphics, stuff like that. So why didn't you

become a tattooist? So is that something that

you would be interested in as well? You just had the consultation

with Marcus, how did it go? It went really well,

Marcus really opened up. Lots of potential, lots of interests

I was tapping into and that I am going to develop and explore

with Marcus later on. At this stage how hopeful

are you that you can get him a job? I am 100% positive about that

and I am very hopeful. Where do you think you would be

without the lifeline It's the best thing I've

heard since I've been To hear they will come and do that,

it made me feel good. Now I feel like, if they do let me

out I have someone I can speak Do you think this could be the end

of your life of crime? These young adults that

want to engage with us, when they engage with us and say

they want to change, they have every chance

of anybody else. We have young people

that we arrest that can be brought If they want to engage

with us they have got a lot Drug dealers know risk,

they know business strategy When you tell them that,

when you say that the line you are going down is wrong

but the skills you have are right to be used in business and be used

in other elements, they start There currently aren't any national

programmes to deal with young adult offenders, meaning it's up to local

services to take initiative. When you turn 18,

that is pretty much it. Unless you are a serial offender

there is not much else there for young people

that make those mistakes Although we have only been

going for six months what it has really proved is that this works

and can fit anywhere else I've been arrested

more than 50 times. Why have you been arrested

so many times? Because crime is all

I've known for a good - I have had jobs but they've never

lasted. I've worked up to a month and lost

jobs through drug abuse, Yeah, I don't know, I haven't got

an exact answer Why do you think you're

still getting arrested? Because I feel once you're

in the system you're stuck. I feel like, once you've -

maybe once or twice as a kid could have been swept away

but when I got arrested so many times and was in and out of court

so much, now if I got arrested for spitting on the floor I reckon

I would be straight in court. Whereas if you or someone else that

hasn't been arrested so much done it I just feel like it doesn't matter

what I do, I'm stuck in that life. It's like a circle I can't

get out of. Within two days of being out

they have constantly been ringing my phone and try to get me

to come and see them and that, so it does seem like they are trying

to help me if I'm honest. Has that ever happened

to you before? I've had help offered to me most

of the times but it has always been And I have always said

no, to be honest. But for some reason,

something about these lot made me They've got me a job interview

for a demolition job. And they are saying that if it goes

through, like, well, it could take me around the world

and that sort of stuff. How do you respond to the prospect

of getting a job that could take Makes me feel happy,

to be honest with you. Marcus, who was featured

in our film, pleaded guilty He is now free to take

up his offer from the magazine. The stakes are high for getting

the right exam grades. For pupils it can mean

the difference between gaining or missing out

on a university place. For a school it can mean

changes in league tables. But what happens if there are doubts

over the accuracy of the marking? This morning we found out there's

been an increase of 22 % which has led to 90,000 grades being changed.

Let's talk now to Sam Wright, she had her English AS Level

remarked from U to C this year, Steve Taylor, Chief Executive

of the Cabot Learning Federation and Martin Lavelle, Headteacher

Sam, you first of all, U to C, that must have been stressful while you

were waiting for that to happen. Tell us about it? I didn't expect to

it be regraded so when I was told it was being regraded I was happy about

it because I was very upset to get the U at first and it was quite a

shock. What were you expecting to get? I didn't think that the exam

had gone amazing so I expected to get like at least a D but when it

came back a U I was really upset about it. So what impact did it have

on you in any potential choices? It meant that my university choices I

had to lower them down because of that U, I couldn't apply to the ones

that I wanted to. So I had to fine lower offering universities and

things like that. Steve Taylor, Chief Executive of a group that runs

14 academies. How can this be happening? First of all,

congratulations to Sam on ending up with a grade she no doubt absolutely

deserves. We look at the data and figures and we can be concerned

about possible uncertainties in if system, but fundamentally on the

other end, there are young people who've worked extremely hard over a

period of time and it's absolutely right that there's an opportunity

for schools to challenge where there may be a remark that could make a

difference to someone's future. The number of challenges being made is

increasing based on the new figures. Across your academies, what are you

seeing? Are schools putting in more challenges with the schools you are

working with? No, actually, ours have remained pretty consistent. The

way it works is that we see that there are some pupils that have

narrowly missed out on a grade that's either the one that'll get

them on to their next course or the one we expected them to get and our

perspective is, if you are the parent of that child, you are

looking for someone to help you out, and if there's a chance to check,

you would expect a school to do that and to help you do that. It's not

something we plan for, we don't have an idea in advance of how many

remarks there'll be, we want to make sure, especially after all of the

work that's gone into supporting young people up to their exams that,

they have the best possible chance of getting the right grade. Martin,

do you have faith in the exam boards? I recognise what Steve's

been saying and I am glad you have Sam here as well because as you have

heard, at its heart of all this is a young person who's worked damn hard.

I find it a bit of a situation at the moment, I don't have absolute

faith in the exam system, no. There are pressures they are under, about

the quality assurance of the marking which is done in the first place.

There are concerns around the grading and the grade boundaries

which seem to change after the exams have been sat by students. I think

there are real issues. But equally, I think people just bat on and we

don't panic, we do what Steve said, look at the students who are within

a mark or two and worth checking but it's a concern. Are you putting many

pupils forward and, I guess if they are not being put forward, they'll

be maybe thinking, hang on, when you hear about a U to a C, even a U to

an A we have heard about, a loot of people might be thinking, maybe

these things should be put in as a matter of routine? I don't think we

are rushing to put people in because at the end of the day it costs money

and if you are not successful you can end up with a big bill, we are

talking tens of thousands of pounds. It's a big industry. Tell us more

about what you mean by that? Well, I think what you will find at this

time of year, head teachers across the country looking at the grades

will have real concerns. I've been at a meeting with Enfield's head

teachers where concerns have been raised about the quality of marking,

about the incredible changes in some subjects which just weren't

expected, you have experienced teachers who've done nothing

different and certain think grades have plummeted but it's a case of

looking at that. We are in a bit of a - sorry I'm digressing - but we

are in a perfect storm. Schools are under pressure, with massive changes

to the curriculum. We are having to look at how we cope with budget cuts

in real terms of maybe 7% because we are having a stand still budget, but

we have got to find money to pay for national insurance et cetera. There

are sort of cold-hearted decisions which have to be made about what the

priorities are. The priorities are always going to be the students,

it's got to be the outcomes, they get one chance at a decent life and

education, and we just have to make sure that somehow we are bouncing

all these things and ensuring that the young people come out with their

deserved results at the end -- balancing all those things.

Let's catch up with the very latest weather update with Carol.

Good morning. We have seen a huge amount of rain

in the last 24 hours. Quite a difference in the amount of rain we

have had on the coastline compared to inland. 12 millimetres there in

the last 24 hours. Much more than that, 42 millimetres and 68

millimetres, inland. A lot of rain in a short amount of time,

especially when the ground is saturated.

Today, we are looking at further rain showers moving south. But it is

winter and we are seeing snow as well. One of our weather watchers

sent in this picture from the Highlands this morning. We had a

line of showers going through, we should not be surprised to see snow,

it is winter! The temperature was one Celsius. In stark contrast as we

can further south, and even now further south, temperatures in

double figures. The weather is all over the place.

So it will not be a white Christmas? If I knew that I would be straight

to the bookies! Today, we have got rain, the rain

that affected parts of England this morning is continuing its descent

south eastwards and you can see what has been happening in the last six

hours or. Behind it, and line of showers there, that what produces

the snow across Carrbridge and Aviemore, for example. As we go

through the course of the day, the rain comes out and you can see the

line of demarcation between the mild area in the south and the cold as

flooding in behind it. Temperatures roughly around five Celsius behind

the band of rain. Locally lower than that and ahead of it's still in

double figures. ", We have got the rain is slowly making its journey

south eastwards, still windy ahead of it, a lot of cloud and drizzle.

Behind it, I returned to sunshine and showers. Some of the showers

will be happy and thundery with Hale, someone merge, giving heavier

downpours, and some of the downpours across Scotland will the wing

trimmer is even at lower levels but most will tend to be in the hills

and mountains -- across Scotland will be wintry. Equally, a lot of

dry weather around and some sunshine. Here is the line of rain

from the south-west, through the Midlands, into East Anglia. The far

south-eastern corner hangs to the dry conditions. By the time we get

to 3pm, the rain should have cleared Wales and it will be colder but also

brighter. Through the evening and overnight, the rain makes it down to

the south, for a time it will dry in the south-west apart from a few

showers but by the end of the night more rain coming back in from the

south-west across the southern counties. Back into the cold air,

there will be some clear skies and some frost around tonight, and still

those showers. Once again on higher ground they are likely to fall

asleep or snow but the heavier showers they have some of that at

lower levels. Tomorrow, the weather front will be in the south but you

can see how it is starting to turn around and Saturday will come back

in our direction. On Friday, while we have another weather front in the

north, we will see rain at both ends of the country. Here is the cloud

and rain, breezy conditions across southern counties for a time, that

will move away leaving showers. North, another weather front

producing outbreaks of rain and some of that being wintry, more

especially on higher ground. In between, some sunshine. Not a bad

day although it will feel cold anywhere from East Anglia, through

the Midlands and into Wales. Temperature levels only four in

Aberdeen to highs of around 13 as we pushed down to the Channel Islands.

Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us.

The debate continues on where to build a new airport

runway but the Government's decision could be delayed for another six

months, a move businesses claim could cost billions.

David Cameron's expected to make an announcement this evening.

Some of the world's biggest tobacco businesses are taking

It's over new rules which will mean all branding, logos and trademarks

Health officials want plain packaging to be used instead.

We have exclusive access to a programme to help stop young

adults who have been in prison from reoffending.

Often they don't qualify for the support given to youth

offenders - we'll be finding out why.

If they do let me on, I have got someone I can speak to, try to get

me into it. Do you think this could be the end to the life of crime?

Yes. The Polish Prime Minister has told

David Cameron she does not CIA to eye with him on curbing benefits for

migrants from the European Union. Mr Cameron is in Warsaw to try to win

backing for the reforms he wants before a promised referendum on

Britain's's membership of the EU. A Syrian woman and all seven

of her children have drowned as they attempted to cross

the Aegean Sea, from Turkey They had been fleeing

Islamic State militants. The only member of the family

to survive was the children's father, who has warned other Syrians

not to make leave the country. TRANSLATION: I had the most

affectionate wife, I took my family out of Syria to escape the killing.

My children could have had a future in Europe. Now I have lost my

family, my world. What is your message to other Syrians who want to

make the same journey? I would say, don't take this risk. Don't go by

sea. You will lose your children. The smugglers are traitors, they

said we would reach Greece within 15 minutes. I advise everyone, don't

come, stay in Syria, however difficult it is.

There's been more floods misery for parts of Cumbria and Lancashire.

In one village, Glenridding, the river overtopped its banks

People have been moved to safety overnight.

The Army, fire crews and mountain rescue teams have all been called

There has been a big increase in the number of requests to remaster GCSE

and A-level according to the exam regulator. The proportion of results

that were changed has actually dropped slightly.

French prosecutors open an investigation into the decision

over who'll host the 2021 World Athletics championship.

It's gone to the US city of Eugene, which is closely linked

The new president of athletics' governing body, Lord Coe,

who was until recently a Nike paid ambassador, has denied

NHS England has published performance data for England,

showing key target for ambulance response times, A waiting, cancer

care and diagnostic tests are still being missed. On many measures the

figures are worse this year than this time last year and show a

deterioration since September. The Government says it will robustly

defend a compensation claim being made by one of the killers of

Fusilier Lee Rigby. Michael Adebolajo alleges

he was assaulted two years ago by officers at Belmarsh Prison

while being restrained. A surrogate dog in the US has given

birth to the world's first All seven pups, who have three sets

of biological parents, are said to be healthy and doing

well at Cornell University They were born after 19 embryos

were transferred to the host Hello, thank you for

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latest on the news we broke a little while ago that a record number of

terror suspects were arrested in the year to September according to the

latest Home Office figures. Our home affairs correspondent

Danny Shaw is here. These are figures for England, Wales

and Scotland in the year to be in the September. What they show is

there were 315 terrorism related arrests, up by more than a third on

the previous year. What is interesting about these figures is

there has been a big increase in the number of girls and women who have

been detained, that has gone up from 21 to 50. Still a small proportion

of the total but increasing. The number of under 18s who have been

arrested has gone up from eight to 15, almost doubled. In some ways

this comes as no surprise, we know that the terrorism threat level is

stuck at Sabia, which means an attack is highly likely. We know

there has been a huge amount of activity by police following events

abroad and concern here about people travelling to Syria to fight and so

on. In someways this isn't a surprise, but it does show the scale

of the police activity and the threat they face. What happens to

those people once they are arrested, the figures provide some indication.

39% were charged with an offence, usually a terrorism related offence.

22% released on police bail, 37% released without any charges. A

significant proportion of those arrested do not face any action at

all from the police. Is it possible to read much behind

these figures in terms of other more people are being radicalised or

whether it is that the security services are getting a better grip

on being able to monitor what is going on?

It is probably a bit of both. We have heard from counterterrorism

officials that there is increasing concern about radicalisation, but it

also may be that the police counterterrorism agencies do have a

stronger grip on what is going on out there. We know that seven plots

have been boiled over the last year, there were arrests last week,

charges this week. This is something going on every day, every week. The

resources for counterterrorism are protected by the Government, so

there will be more officers recruited by the police, certainly

by the security agencies as well, to deal with the threat.

Thank you. Let's catch up with all

the sport now and join Hugh. Olivier Giroud scored a hat-trick

to complete Arsenal's great escape and take them through to the last 16

of the Champions League. After losing their opening two group

games, they needed to beat Olympiakos by two clear goals

in Athens, or they would fail to reach the knock-out

stage for the first time. But Giroud's first hat-trick

for Arsenal made sure they'll be Chelsea finished top of their group

with a 2-0 victory over So all smiles at the top

of the game, but what about amateur players and the kids

just starting out? Are the costs involved too much

for families at a time Well, they are putting ?260 million

into coaching and pitches Their director of development

and participation, Kellie Simmons, It is an ambitious plan to change

pictures like this all over the country. Since the football

foundation started, there has been nearly three quarters of ?1 billion

invested into facilities, there are some fantastic ones across the

country but still some like this, we need to turn that around. We are

arresting in 3G pitches so that children can play-on high-quality

services, train and high-quality surfaces, and that suits adults who

want to play midweek and after work, so it is important to get that

across the country. But there are those who say the extra costs, there

are teams folding up and down the country because of the running costs

of clubs like this. Is there a support network for the clubs and

families to keep kids participating in sport? Children's football is

flourishing, we have had 5000 additional children's teams across

the country in the last four years alone, mini soccer is thriving.

There is support, what I would say to parents is to look on the website

to find their local clubs, high-quality, free coaching

available for young children, and we support clubs to get the costs down

through free kit, grunts, education, there is a range of support. That is

as well as the big facility grants. What about those who drop out of the

game, children and apples, is there a support network aside from the

money for coaching and pitches to make sure they stay in the game?

There is a range of support. Through the clubs, we know children tend to

drop out at 14, 15, 16, not just from football but team sport

generally. A range of programmes in schools, colleges, further education

to keep them involved in the game whilst they might be studying and

have other pressures. A different problem just the 11 aside game for

those who cannot commit to the nine-month season, midweek leagues,

walking football for old people, there is a range of options

available. Have a look on the website, talk to the county football

Association, there are ways for everybody to get involved. Thank you

for joining us, it will be good to see how the plan is delivered over

the next four years. The Olympic long jump champion

Greg Rutherford says he did pull out of the BBC Sports Personality

of the Year awards show in the wake of comments from fellow

nominee Tyson Fury, Rutherford, who's also the world,

Commonwealth and European champion, took exception to controversial

comments made by the world heavyweight champion

on a range of topics. But he said he decided to attend

the show on December 20th to make his family proud and thank

them for their support. That is all the sport by now, I will

have the headlines at 10:30am. Should we expand Heathrow airport,

or is Gatwick the better option? The Government was due to make that

decision before Christmas, but this week it emerged

that this could get delayed We're expecting a decision from

the Prime Minister this evening. The potential delay has been

criticised by his political opponents, who feel he's manouvering

himself out of a tricky situation. We can go now to our

Political Guru Norman Smith Let's be honest, this is longest

running saga in British politics. It's been dragging on since the

1960s, since we last won the World Cup, since Harold Wilson was Prime

Minister when he set up a commission just like David Cameron to look at

where to build another runway or another airport in the south-east of

England. What happened? Well, the Commission reported and the report

got chucked in the bin and nothing happened and here we are years later

after innumerable investigations, inquiries and commissions and

nothing's happened. So will today be the day when David Cameron finally

decides? Well, making the case for Heathrow leading the charge is the

Chancellor. Now, Mr Osborne is backed by big business, he's backed

by the Scottish Government, he's backed by many of the smaller

airports in Birmingham and elsewhere which have hub connections with

Heathrow, but basically, the Chancellor's argument is that it

would be a huge boost to the British economy. There have been estimates

that over the next 50 years it could create something like 70,000 jobs,

boost the economy by around ?200 billion. Against him, is the man who

could be his rival for the Tory leadership once Mr Cameron goes.

Boris Johnson. He is leading the charge against Heathrow. Now, the

Mayor of London argues that Heathrow is just in the wrong place because

it means more flights going over poor old Londoners to reach

Heathrow, and that, he says, will mean more pollution, more noise,

more houses blighted. So he has said that if Mr Cameron gives the

go-ahead to a third runway, he'd lie down in front of the bulldozers to

stop it. So what does Mr Cameron do? Well, would he say yes? Well, he

might do, because there's a lot of big beast in the Tory party, people

like William Hague saying for heavens sake, just agree to give

Heathrow the go ahead. He might do because if he doesn't there are

concerns that international airports will overtake Heathrow as the major

hub airport. PROBLEM WITH SOUND

Might he say no? Well, Mr Cameron might say no, because if he does

give it the go-ahead, he risks potential Civil War in the Tory

party. Not just Boris Johnson, but the current Tory candidate for

Mayor, Zach Goldsmith's threatened to force a by-election if Mr Cameron

gave the go ahead to a third runway. There's the possibility of

resignations from the Cabinet too, from people like Justine Greening,

so he might not want a Civil War. But there's a personal reason why I

think Mr Cameron might be very, very cautious. Have a look at this. This

is an election leaflet from the last election and look at Mr Cameron's

pledge on that when he said, "no ifs, no buts, no third runway" at

Heathrow. So what is going to happen today when ministers meet? David

Cameron will be sitting in the chair to decide what to do. My guess is it

could be our old friend Fudgurama. In other words, Mr Cameron may sell,

well we think Heathrow's got an awfully good case but perhaps they

need a bit more time to make sure they've taken account of all the

environmental concerns so tell you what, why don't we put it off for

another six months before we reach another final decision and by the

way, after the Mayoral elections after London and therefore hopefully

in Mr Cameron's view avoiding a Civil War. Do you think that we'd

definitely get a decision in six months if that's what happened? No

is the truth. There is a view that Mr Cameron might not want to take

this decision at all during this Parliament. When you talk to some

people around Boris Johnson, they say, well, we think what is going to

happen is Mr Cameron will put it off for six months saying there are

issues around noise pollution, night flights, transport, and that

Heathrow simply won't be able to come up with an answer to all those

problems in six months. In fact, it will take more like two years and

then they'll have had to redraw and redraft their plans so much they'll

pretty much have to go back to square one and there'll have to be a

whole new planling process in two years and guess what, Mr Cameron is

not even Prime Minister then. So we are in for fudgurama or long grass!

We'll talk about it in a moment with our guests. A quick word for you on

an urgent question in the Commons later on unexpected hospital deaths.

What are you expecting? Yes, we have been covering that this morning

which is indications that the southern Health Authority which

basically covers Hampshire, one of the largest Mental Health Trusts in

the UK, has basically presided over a catalogue of failures in terms of

investigating the deaths of patients and reports suggest over the past

four years or so, there may have been more than 1,000 deaths which

have not been properly investigated. Now, obviously, if that is true,

that would be a major scandal. Labour have now secured an urgent

statement in the Commons in the next half hour when they are going to be

pressing, not just over what has happened, but how much confidence

patients using the southern Health Authority can have now that things

are being done properly. Also question marks about the board,

about whether they should stay in place and also what sort of measures

are going to be put in place to make sure this can't happen again. One

interesting thing, I was just listening to the Care Minister in

the last Government, Norman lamb, who was saying this morning he was

completelyoblivious, didn't know, he wasn't told what was happening in

this Health Trust. Thank you, Norman. I said we'd talk

to a Tory MP and London's candidate former, they are joining me in the

studio now, Bob Stuart and Sadiq Khan, thank you very much for coming

in both of you. Sadiq Khan, Heathrow, Gatwick, do you think this

is being kicked into the long grass potentially because of Zac Goldsmith

and the political headache? Any decision to delay whether he

increase airport capacity may be good for the internal politics of

the Conservative Party, but it's bad news for London, the south-east and

our country. The Government's got to decide. I'm in favour of a new

runway at Gatwick Airport. You are now? The case has been made for the

increased flight capacity. The reason why Heathrow is a bad idea

is, last year alone, almost 10,000 Londoners died because of air

quality. There are children in parts of London whose lungs are

under-developed. Early this year, the UK Supreme Court held that our

air was in breach of the air quality directive. So the air in London is a

killer, it makes you sick and it's illegal. Those circumstances are not

in favour of Heathrow, but I do think the case has been made for a

new runway at Gatwick. It will be cheaper, lead to jobs and growth but

it will provide competition for Heathrow to be better rather than

bigger. You had a conversion this year didn't you, you used to be

supporting Heathrow, Zac Goldsmith said it's about as authentic as

Donald Trump's hair? He should check his facts. In 2009 I was in favour

of increased flight capacity as I am now. The facts have changed and I'm

not scared to change my mind if the facts change. Last year 10,000 died,

children's lungs underdeveloped and the Supreme Court this April said

the air was unlawful. Experts say if we stay as we are, we can't meet our

air quality obligations, that's before the runway at Heathrow

Airport. Cameron should say yes to Gatwick, no to Heathrow and let's

get on with it. Why isn't he making a decision Bob Stuart? Probably for

the run we have just rehearsed, that it's politically difficult at the

moment. When won't it be? It's always going to be politically

difficult and right now we have got the Mayoral election. I think

Sadiq's right, it's very political now. The reporter suggested

Heathrow, the Davies Report has suggested Heathrow, but a lot of

people think that's wrong and a lot of people matter and we live in a

democracy. If a lot of people feel, regardless of the report, I don't

want these aeroplanes coming over my house, I think it's dangerous and

there's air quality stuff, therefore I object, and frankly, politicians

have got to listen to that. Under the circumstances, if we have really

got to make a decision now, there'll be far less objection if it was in

favour of Gatwick. Does it come down to nimbyism a lot

of the time? Well, the numbers of people affected by noise under

Heathrow is more than the numbers of people affected by the noise in

Paris Amsterdam, Brussels and Madrid added together. So if Cameron and

the Government say yes to Heathrow, there'll be legal challenges taking

many, many, many years, yes to jobs, yes to growth, yes to increased

flight capacity and you can do it by expanding Gatwick. The numbers

affected by noise is a fraction, 30,000 versus 800,000, the air

quality issues aren't there, they are not breaching the directives. We

create jobs in that part of the country, it's a win-win and I would

say to David Cameron and to George Osborne, internal Party Politics all

well and good, think about the well-being of London, the south-east

and our country. Is he damned if he does, damned if

he doesn't and therefore goes back to what Norman was saying, it's most

likely in the end potentially to keep getting kicked further into the

long grass? I think that is a perfect description, damned if he

does, damned if he doesn't and could well be put into the long grass. I

think I agree with Sadiq that decisions should be made and, under

the circumstances, with all the objections, with all the reports and

with all the pressure to try and get London a really good airport system

it's probably going to have to be Gatwick, let's get on with it and do

it. Bear in mind that probably we'll need more capacity in that in the

lifetime, well perhaps in your lifetime, maybe not in mine. We'll

need more capacity if we are to be continuing to be such a

world-leading city and, at the moment, we are at Bushing point and

we've got to do something about moment, we are at Bushing point and

The buck has been passed over so many years. What would you say if a

decision isn't taken in six months. Norman was kind and diplomatic in

his language. I'm persuaded there is an argument for increased capacity,

Mr Goldsmith isn't. We should bite the bullet and go with Gatwick. I'm

in favour of reconsidering expanding city airport, Boris Johnson ruled

that out, but we have got to invest in high speed. High speed II is

important, we have got to think about III. I'm if favour of a cross

rail II. I was the minister in charge of cross rail I. We need to

think about cross rail III. Think about the trams, improving the

trains, a generation of new buses, hybrid and electric. We have to

think about being green but also having jobs, growth and being

sustainable. There is a huge runway in the south-east that could be used

but the fact of the matter is, if we are really going to sort out our

airport capacity, a decision does have to be made and, if people

really object to Heathrow, beyond the fact of the report, including

the fact of air quality, we have actually got to make a decision. It

seems to me, based on those factors, that Gatwick is probably an option

that we could actually accept all round. Equally, I think that at some

stage we are going to have to come back to the table and think how we

get even more capacity for airports around London. Before I let you go,

Donald Trump's hair was mentioned earlier in the discussion. Sadiq

Khan, I want to get your views on him, whether you think he should be

allowed into Britain, there is a petition with 350,000 people saying

he shouldn't. I want to go to the Mayor of New York and talk about the

housing crisis, I'll be stopped, I want to talk about creating jobs and

entrepreneurship, I'm be stopped from doing so because I happen to be

a Muslim. There are many Muslims from around the world who love

America like I do but who will be stopped from going there to visit

families and on holiday. His views are outrageous and divisive and I

hope he loses badly. Are the views enough to get him banned from

Britain? I would like him to come here so I can introduce him to

Muslims like myself who 're tolerant and respectable. There are no no-go

areas in London. I'm in favour of debating him, showing him how wrong

he is, proving what a bafoon he is. He's got to recognise his views lead

to people thinking all Muslims may be terrorist, thinking Muslims are

like that, and that is why his views are divisive. I want to educate him,

I want him to realise the follies of his ways so when he loses the

Republican race and hopefully loses the presidential race, I'm looking

forward to educating him and giving him a tutorage in being able to be a

good citizen. What if he keeps going, is he fit to be President?

That's for the American people to decide. I have huge respect for the

Americans. Democracy, we'll have to see which way the cards fall,

obviously my personal views are, if people vote for this guy, that's the

choice they have made. I want them to recognise that proud Muslims have

died serving our countries. We have multiple identitied, British,

Muslim, South Londoner, a husband and a father, you know, you are not

recognised and defined simply by your faith and his comments have

caused huge offence to non-Muslims as well. Would the passports have

"Muslim written on them? ! Them?!". Still to come before

11am: Staying put - Donald Trump insists he'll never

pull out of the US Presidential race, despite an avalanche

of criticism from politicians and the media after he called

for a temporary ban Some of the world's biggest tobacco

businesses are taking It's over new rules which will mean

all branding, logos and trademarks Health officials want plain

packaging to be used instead. The Polish Prime Minister has told

David Cameron that she does not see eye to eye with him on curbing

benefits for migrants Mr Cameron is in Warsaw

to try to win backing for the reforms he wants before

a promised referendum NHS England has published

performance data for the health It shows key targets

for ambulance response times, A waiting, cancer care

and diagnostic tests On many measures the figures

are worse than this time last year and show a deterioration

since September. A record 315 terror suspects

were arrested in the year to September, driven in part

by a major increase in the number of females detained,

Home Office figures show. They accounted for around one in six

of the total counter-terrorism arrests, a rise of 7%

on the previous year. There's been a big increase

in the number of requests to re-mark GCSEs and A-levels, says

the exams watchdog Ofqual. There's also been a rise

in the number of re-grades awarded. But the proportion of exam results

that were changed has A Syrian woman and all seven

of her children have drowned as they attempted to cross

the Aegean Sea, from Turkey They had been fleeing

Islamic State militants. The only member of the family

to survive was the children's father, who has warned other Syrians

not to make leave the country. TRANSLATION: I had the most

affectionate wife. I took my family

out of Syria to escape the killing. My children could have had

a future in Europe. What is your message to other

Syrians who want to make I would say, don't take this risk.

Don't go by sea. The smugglers are traitors,

they said we would reach I advise everyone, don't come -

stay in Syria, however French prosecutors open

an investigation into the decision over who'll host the 2021

World Athletics championship. It's gone to the US city

of Eugene, closely linked The new president of athletics'

governing body, Lord Coe, who was until recently

a Nike paid ambassador, has denied

lobbying for the city. The Government says it

will "robustly defend" a compensation claim being made

by one of the killers Michael Adebolajo alleges

he was assaulted by officers at Belmarsh Prison

while being restrained. Let's catch up with

all the sport now. The main headlines in sport this

morning concern the Champions And thankfully the procession

of two British clubs. Olivier Giroud was Arsenal's hero,

with a hat-trick in their 3-0 win Chelsea finished top of their group

with a 2-0 win over Porto at Stamford Bridge,to

help ease the pressure Olympic long jump champion

Greg Rutherford says he will stay as part of the Sports Personality

of the Year shortlist because of it's importance

to his family. He had wanted to be removed,

after controversial comments I'll have more on BBC

News throughout the day. Earlier in the programme,

we showed you a film about an innovative new project

developed by police in South London, to try to stop young adults

who commit crimes from reoffending. It's run by officers

and a group of volunteers, who try to find work for those

who end up in custody. Here's our reporter

Ashley John-Baptiste. We will go and speak to him,

see if he wants to engage with us. If we can sit down with him we can

find out what the story is. If he wants the help I am sure

we can give it to him. This is a unique new scheme, to try

and stop young adults reoffending. It targets anyone who is brought

into custody here under the age of 25, and tries to get them a job

when they are released. Are you still happy to talk?

Yeah? I'm just gonna you ask you a few

questions about you and your interests, what sort of things

you like doing, what sort Are you into football,

anything like that? OK, what sort of art and design,

what do you like doing? There currently aren't any national

programmes to deal with offenders So it's up to local services

like this to take initiative. When you turn 18, that is

pretty much it. Unless you are a serial offender

there is not much else there for young people that make

those mistakes the Though we have only been

going for six months what it has really proved is that this works

and can fit anywhere else Where do you think you would be

without the lifeline of this It's the best thing I've

heard since I've been To hear they will come and do that,

it made me feel good. Do you think this could be the end

of your life of crime? So how should 18 to 25-year-old

offenders be dealt with in the criminal justice system?

Here to discuss this further is the founder of the Divert scheme,

And Steve Gillan, the general secretary of Prison Officer's

We also have here two former offenders, Dario and Chelsea.

Thank you all very much for coming in to talk to us. Dario, tell us

about your experiences in the prison system. My first experience was a

young offenders Institute at the age of 16, I was sentenced to 12 months,

of which I served six. I came out of prison, reoffended, and re-entered

the prison system for an offence of aggravated burglary, which I served

nine years, that was my custodial term of which I served five. The

aggravated burglary for which you were sentenced involved what? Taking

a family hostage? We took the family hostage, we demanded large amounts

of money, and we were later arrested within the vicinity of where the

offence took place. At the time you were in the age group being

discussed today. Would you say you should take adult responsibility for

what you did? Definitely, I believe so, because we thought about it, we

have to take responsibility for our actions. Yes, I think we should be

treated as adults. Chelsea, you went to prison at 18. Tell us what that

was for and what your experience was. That was during the riots, 2011

riots. I was published all over the newspapers and the media are a lot

and was portrayed in a way that I wasn't. In what way, how did you see

yourself and how did you think people saw you? There was a story

about me being an Olympic ambassador, but that was when I was

in school, but it was released as if I was an ambassador at the time I

committed the offence, and it got published in the newspapers, I was

on ITV, BBC News, front pages, everywhere. The thing about that is

that I was a young female, 18 years old, and what I committed was

throwing missiles at a police car, with police officers inside will

stop I was seen at the forefront of a large group of people, so I was

seen as the leader of the pack. And that made it very public and a lot

of people popped onto that because I was a female, I was young, and I was

all over the newspapers. I felt like I was made an example of, and my

offences, there were eight in the end, violent disorder, two counts,

burglary, common assault, criminal damage, loads, and eventually I got

sentenced to a two years two months in prison because I was also wearing

a tag. You were in the age group the report is talking about, saying the

tend to be people like you should be treated differently. What do you

think about the way you were treated? Because I was put over the

newspapers, I felt it had already given the judge... He would have

made up his mind already before he even looked at me and had a

chance... Obviously judges have to be open-minded, but your experience

once you were behind bars, how did you see that? There are newspapers

in presence and a lot of people did see it. First of all, officers felt

they needed to talk to me about it because they felt people would come

up to me and said things or attack me or whatever, but no one did

because of the nature of my offence, it was against police officers, but

the prison of this is did not take a liking to me because of the offence.

Steve, you are general secretary of the prison Officers' Association. Do

you have any sympathy over the weight 18 to 25-year-olds are

treated in prison? Know, on the whole I think they are treated very

well in prison. I thank Dario for his view in saying he should have

been treated as an adult for the offence he did and he took

responsibility for that, and that is what I am here to betray, that there

was a problem within our prison system, 86,000 prisoners now, we saw

the statistics from your earlier film about 14, 15,000 of them are 18

to 25-year-olds. Once people are in the criminal justice system it is

very difficult to turn them around, and where I believe that we need to

intervene much earlier, before people get into that criminal

justice system. Jack, you set up the scheme we featured in our report. Do

you think that 18 to 25-year-old should be treated differently?

Without a doubt. As soon as you turn 18, the system lets you go a bit.

Between those ages, you haven't developed the majority to take on

the risks that come into life and making those decisions. Dario said

he felt at 18 he knew what he was doing, you did something violent, he

was punished, he said he should have taken responsibility. Definitely,

but your rain is not developed enough to take on risk, you need the

added support. The first time Dario comes into police custody, he needs

that one-to-one help to get him onto the right path to stop the tailspin

from happening. Sometimes, when you are 18, you turn an adult, society

expects you to completely take responsibility for what you are

doing. Sometimes you need that extra help. Steve? I slightly disagree, I

think 18 to 25-year-olds are adults. People make choices in life, some

choose the wrong path. What I'm not failing is that you abandon people,

because quite clearly Dario and Chelsea have turned their lives

around, they have done that themselves. Others, they may want to

go and assist others. But we have to look at the victims of crime as

well, they are just as important as those that perpetrate crime, and I

think we have got to have a root and branch review of how we deal with

these issues in England and Wales, because we cannot continue doing

what we're doing, because it is not working. The key is to start as

early as possible. If you start at 80 you get the foundations right,

fewer victims, fewer people coming into police custody, going to

prison, less mental health, so there is no argument for how early you

should start, the earlier the better, because if you stop the

issues emerging then we don't get people coming into the system.

Do you think there is a danger of them being treated differently.

In each situation we have to treat everybody individually. Mario said,

although I was an adult, I still needed some form of direction. I

needed someone to guide my foot steps in. That circumstance,

everybody is an individual. What I am if fave of is what the officer

said. Prevention for me is better than the cure so we

said. Prevention for me is better while we are at the police stations,

Probation Services, we need to work a as a whole in order to just

communicate with the young people and address the issues going on in

their mind to see how we can move forward.

Chelsea, you have southernth turned your life around -- you have turned

your life around, but we were hearing for kids coming out of

prison with a criminal record, it inevitably taints them. Have you

found you have to fight to be able to progress? Initially yes, I felt

like I had to fight because everyone remembered my face and stuff. It's

about yourself as an individual. People can say stuff and put

barriers up against you but if you have changed within your mindset and

how you do things, you should be able to progress forward. For me

having a criminal record hasn't stopped me getting jobs. I have a

job and I do youth work which is really rewarding. There are

obstacles but it's up to the individual to move forward and leave

that behind. People might say, you are an ex-offender, but I'm just

Chelsea now and ex-offenders in the past have moved forward and everyone

that can see that I've moved forward and believed in my change have stuck

to Chelsea as well but in order for someone to progress and progress

against the obstacles, they need to move forward, forget the negatives,

move forward with the positives, onwards and upwards. If you can do

that within yourself, you have the ability to push all the negatives

and the people and progress and you will get a job.

Ava on Facebook, moaning about lack of support in prison, don't commit

the crime then. Tweet from T 2 A alliance, commendable intervention

by the Met police highlighted but system needs to support youngsters

who're not motivated too. That's the issue isn't it, I guess,

Jack, these two are sorted themselves out, but there'll be

people who feel they can't for whatever reason? Without a doubt,

definitely. Divert helps with that because we understand people aren't

on that level of being employable yet so we have a range of really

good partners, St Matthew's partnership in Brixton, Spear,

Jack's foundation, to get people up to that level and to sort of get

them from feeling there is no hope to actually being Dario and Chelsea

and being in their position saying, I can do this. That can take a lot

of time. I do recognise that and that's what Divert offers.

Another text, it's clear reoffenders are not well educated and lack of

education is the problem, more needs to be done, not more jail.

Politicians should make their minds up. At which age a person is old

enough to take action for their actions and they get no vote and no

support. We shouldn't lower the voting age from a texter. Lot of

texters bringing voting age into this debate. Chelsea, you are

nodding, what were you thinking about in particular there? Just

thinking some of the comments people are saying, there are some good ones

and some that are just like, "really? " So what are the ones you

would say "really? " You need to say it again because it's gone in my ear

and I've thought, it's so pants I don't even want to listen to it. The

ones that have said people aren't taking responsibility for

themselves? Yes, I just think, 18-25, for me, when you go into

prison, they class young offenders from 18-21, so you are a young

offender, so although you may be 18-21 or 25, doesn't necessarily

mean that you've committed an offence and should be punished in

this way and that way because you are really bad, because people don't

have the support on the outside to even realise they have made

mistakes. For somebody to take responsibility is a big step if

their life, if they can't take responsibility because they don't

understand what they have done wrong, you can't knock for them for

that really. People, in order to learn, I believe you make mistakes.

Some mistakes are too bad that you can't change them as quick as you

want to, but when you are young, 18-25, even younger, you shouldn't

be expected to do big, big, big things if you haven't been exposed

to things that can help you and enable you to do those things. Some

people need the tools and skills to develop self-awareness and if you

are not aware how can you take responsibility, you shouldn't knock

it. Just to support that... Sorry, we are out of time, but thank you

all very much for talking so frankly about this.

Despite tobacco companies being banned from advertising

on television and sponsoring sporting events, most of us,

whether we smoke or not, will know they belong

Today, some of the world's biggest tobacco businesses

are taking the Government to court over new rules which will mean

all branding, logos and trademarks are banned from fag packets

and instead they will be forced to use plain packaging.

The Government hopes the measures will discourage people from smoking.

Companies argue it will hit their business.

Our legal eagle Clive Coleman is outside the High Court

Talk us through the arguments this case centres on, Clive?

This case is This case is not about whether smoking is bad for you, it's

about whether the regulations on plain packaging are lawful. As you

say, the effect they'll have, and they come in in May of next year, is

that anything other than the health warning on the packet, the packet

has to be brown or green in colour, they can't use logos or trademarks.

For example the Marlborough Roof which is estimated at around $1

billion, companies won't be able to use those marks or logos and even

their names will have to be in modest type face and non-descript

type-face if you like. They are bringing this challenge and saying,

look, it's unlawful on a number of grounds. The Government can't simply

ride rush or do away with our valuable property rights in those

trademarks and logos, it's being said. Also they are saying, it's

disproportionate. The Government are basing this on evidence from

Australia which brought this in in 2012 and the evidence-based just

isn't there. In Australia, people downtraded to cheaper brands and in

fact that could have had the effect of increasing smoking. Those

arguments are taking place in court as we speak.

The US Presidential hopeful Donald Trump remains defiant -

he says he'll never pull out of the race,

despite an avalanche of criticism from the media and politicians

of his call for a temporary ban on Muslims entering America.

A UK petition calling for the poll frontrunner

and billionaire businessman to be banned from coming here has

got more than 400,000 signatures and could be

Last night, Mr Trump told CNN that his Muslim friends

"I'm doing good for the Muslims," he said.

"Many Muslim friends of mine are in agreement with me.

They say, 'Donald, you brought something up to the fore

that is so brilliant and so fantastic.'"

So we asked some American Muslims to explain in five words how

American politics causes brain damage.

I feel unapologetically Muslim American.

I'm joined now by Zainab Chaudry, a Muslim political activist

and poet, who is based in Maryland in the US.

Thank you for joining us, Zeinab, Donald Trump is absolutely standing

by what he said. How do you see it? It's unbelievable that a candidate

running for the highest office in the land would not only make these

kind of bigoted remarks that he has gone on record not once but numerous

times as making, but would double down and continue to defend these

kind of remarks, even in light of the significant backlash that he's

received. Not only from members of the opposing parties, but also

members, higher ranking members, of his own party. There's been strong

criticism of him in the United States and elsewhere. What impact do

you think his comments potentially could have?

Initially we were extremely concerned about the backlash towards

the Muslim community and that is something that we are seeing rite

now. We are seeing a spike in hate crimes and anti-Muslim bigotry in

attacks on houses of worship. We have been seeing an unprecedented

level of the attacks over the course of the few weeks since the horrific

Paris terror attacks. But recently... Sorry, you are linking

that to Donald Trump's comments, it's too soon to see any impact from

those presumably directly? Well, we know that bigoted remarks from

polices and elected leaders and public officials have an impact on

shaping the public psyche. They tend to help create this fear and anxiety

within Americans towards Islam and Muslims and we are seeing this

phenomenon during elections for the past several years. Unfortunately,

whenever we have, since Mr Trump announced intentions to run for

presidency, the remarks he's made in terms of advocating for special IDs

for Muslims, Muslim refugees, for promoting surveillance of Muslim

communities, these kind of statements, they really alienate the

Muslim community in their eyes and help to create the sense of

tolerance for this kind of bigotry which we are not of course directing

all of the blame for the kind of anti-Muslim and sentiment that we

have seen on his shoulders. But he's had a significant role to play in

helping to start animosity towards Muslims -- stir animosity. His

latest remarks have helped underscore that sentiment. We are

now seeing American Muslims who're stepping forward and saying that we

reject this kind of bigotry. Zeinab, thank you very much. Thank you very

much for your company today and all of your messages, it's always great

to have your company, I'll see you same time tomorrow. Have a good

afternoon. Bye.