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Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 9.15, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria,

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A win for Johanna Konta means she becomes the first British woman

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to reach the semifinal of a Grand Slam since 1983.

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Meanwhile off the court, world tennis authorities launch

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an inquiry into corruption in the sport.

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The announcement at the Australian Open follows criticism that

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allegations of match fixing were not dealt with effectively.

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A warning this morning that children are being left alone to deal

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with the consequences of abuse - the NSPCC calls for better support

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That's something that people quite often do -

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they do try and kill themselves because they know that will speed

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up their referral, because they know that

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if you present in hospital with self harm or a suicide attempt they have

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And pregnant women are being advised not to travel to countries affected

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by the Zika virus - we ask what the risks really are.

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Hello, welcome to the programme, we're on BBC Two and the BBC

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We'll keep you across the latest breaking and developing

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Also ahead, many women in their late 50s say they're being hit hard

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by changes to the rules on state pensions.

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We hear from one woman who says she's going to lose out.

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As ever we want to hear from you throughout the programme.

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Texts will be charged at the standard network rate.

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Let us know about pensions if you are affected and everything else we

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talk about today. And of course you can watch

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the programme online wherever you are - via the bbc news app

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or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria. The world tennis authorities have

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announced an independent inquiry into the effectivness of the sport's

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anti-corruption practices. It follows an investigation

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by the BBC and the website Buzzfeed News, which found that 16

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players ranked within the top 50 had been suspected of throwing matches

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but were still allowed to compete. The announcement was made at the

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Australian Open. It is vital we repair this damage

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and that we do so quickly. Which is why today

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we are announcing an independent review that will examine

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all aspects of tennis's anti-corruption programme,

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including the tennis integrity unit's work, which will make

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recommendations for change. We are determined to do everything

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we need to do to remove We are in a toxic environment

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for sport at the moment. In terms of it is an easy target

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for people to have a go allegations of other

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governing bodies. We want to be as open

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and transparent as possible to demonstrate that we will look

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at this thoroughly. There is a zero, zero tolerance

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for this in our game. John Watson joins us for more on

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this. How long will the review take and what are the parameters? We are

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not sure how long it will take, but I can tell you what the panel will

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look into, a number of factors. The first, does the current tennis

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integrity unit need more resources? Presumably looking at increased

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funding or personnel needed to tackle the problem. How can it be

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more transparent? I think they are looking at how they can avoid a drip

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of information that has obviously hurt the sport as it has done as we

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saw in the investigation that came out as part of the report from the

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BBC and BuzzFeed. How can they ensure the public get to hear of

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these details but it does not damage the sport in the way they feel this

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does. Any changes, how to extend the reach of the programme. The way the

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panel will operate, headed by Adam Lewis QC, a leading expert on sport

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law. He will be assisted by two others and we are not sure at this

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stage you they will be, but it is said to represent the global world

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of sport. We presume it will be individuals closely related to the

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sport. What they really want to do is ensure integrity in sport and for

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the spectators, when they are watching tennis, they can believe

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what they are seeing, and this is the most important thing and I think

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this is what the panel is looking to address.

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Christian Leathley is a lawyer at Herbert Smith Freehills

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which represented the Tennis Integrity Unit in the first case

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He was also involved in the first tennis match-fixing case

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What is your reaction to the News of this review? I think it is good

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news. The context that has to be borne in mind is that there has to

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be a tremendous amount of discretion on the part of the investigators of

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the tennis integrity unit and one would hope any recommendations would

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help protect that discretion, which is paramount to enable them to do

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their job and investigate corruption, which is a difficult

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thing to investigate. Is there a danger it is potentially at odds in

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terms of what they talk about transparency and openness? Yes, this

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piecemeal oversight, to react to the BBC and BuzzFeed report, that

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transparency is not always the best friend to corruption investigation.

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In my experience, working with the tennis integrity unit, they have to

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be discreet with interactions with players under investigation as well

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as witnesses they need to interview. As somebody who has been involved in

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investigations, how rigorous do you believe the system is to be, and do

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you believe that everything has been investigated as it should be? People

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criticising this save the data being talked about now is based on matches

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already investigated. The individuals I have worked with, a

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gentleman, Nigel Williton, the current head of the tennis integrity

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unit, is a savvy investigator who has worked with police. I felt they

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conducted all the interviews they needed to conduct, they had

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information to hand. They do not have police powers. They are

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hamstrung in some way in terms of access to information they can

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obtain. Their investigations I thought were thorough. That

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information was passed onto me and working with them we put together a

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legal case. They tried to exhaust every avenue before they ahead with

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the prosecution, given the sanctions, such as a life ban as the

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Austrian professionals suffered as a result of a process I was involved

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in. When you say they are hamstrung by not having police powers, is that

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an area that could be looked at. The sort of powers that they have?

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I noticed in the announcements there has been a call for the

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criminalisation of match fixing. It would need police power to enable

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that to be prosecuted in an effective way. Records of telephone

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calls, bank statements, that is essential to building a case. That

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is only part of the puzzle. The recent investigation report the BBC

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and BuzzFeed produced only was part of the picture. If the tennis

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integrity unit is investigating and thinks it does not have sufficient

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powers, what is to stop it handing a case over to the police? That is a

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good question. I expect the unit would rather police itself because

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the rules applied to players and those involved in tennis, the

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contractual binding nature for the investigation to take place in the

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world of tennis. There are occasions when they might want to evolve

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police that self-regulation is an important part to maintain trust and

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confidence. Do you have trust in the way it is regulated at the moment? I

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can only speak from my single experience with the tennis integrity

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unit a few years ago. I thought they were very experienced, sensitive.

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They are independent of the sport. I thought they did a good job.

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Resources are essential. One of the outcomes of the review is that

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additional resources are needed, if that is so, I'm sure that will be

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welcomed. Great Britain will be represented in the men's and women's

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semifinals of the Australian Open, a grand slams, since 1977.

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Johanna Konta has become the first British woman to reach a Grand Slam

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She beat China's Zhang Shuai 6-4, 6-1, at the Australian

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The 24-year-old - who is ranked 47th -

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is the first British woman to reach a Grand Slam semi-final

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since Jo Durie made the US Open last four in 1983.

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Jo jury said she had done a good job maintaining composure under

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pressure. -- Durie. You need to cut everything off. You do the press,

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the interviews, but her phone will be buzzing the whole time and I

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think she should turn it off, get a good night's sleep because tomorrow

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is another exciting day. She could make history again. I really hope

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she does. We will get the latest from the sport update in a moment

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and will speak to a former coach of hers. The NSPCC says children who

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have been sexually abused have been failed by mental health services. We

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hear the story of one girl who was raped and waited for years for help.

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And we find out the risks for pregnant women if they travel to

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countries affected by the Zika virus. We will hear from a woman

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currently being tested after being on holiday in Barbados.

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The world tennis authorities have launched an independent

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inquiry into corruption, amid allegations of match-fixing.

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It follows an investigation by the BBC and the website,

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Buzzfeed News, which found that 16 players ranked in the top 50

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were suspected of throwing matches but still allowed to compete.

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Johanna Konta has become the first British woman to reach a Grand Slam

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A virus that causes serious birth defects is spreading,

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with a traveller in Denmark the latest person to test

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The Zika virus is spread by a mosquito virus and has been

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linked to brain damage in thousands of babies in Latin America.

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There is no known cure and pregnant women are being advised not

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The NHS is failing some children who have been sexually abused,

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The NSPCC talked to 1,000 professionals who work

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with children, including GPs, social workers,

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More than nine in 10 said services to help abused children

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overcome their trauma were not good enough.

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At least one person has died in a shoot out as police arrest

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the leader of an armed militia group who have been occupying a wildlife

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The group set up camp at the reserve three weeks ago, in protest

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at what they say is unfair treatment of local ranchers by the government.

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The bank RBS, which is mostly owned by the taxpayer,

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is to make a loss again because of a multi-billion pound

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The bank is to set aside ?1.5 billion to pay for bad

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housing debts in the US, plus another ?500 million to settle

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Let's catch up with all the sport now.

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Fabulous what is going on in the tennis.

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What a morning it has been in Melbourne. We will have plenty more

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on that news. For the first time in 39 years

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there are British players through to the men's and women's

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semifinals of a Grand Slam. Johanna Konta beat China's Zhang

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Shuai in straight sets to become the first British woman

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since Jo Durie back in 1983 to reach Andy Murray is there too

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after he beat Spain's David He will now play the winner

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of Milos Raonic and Gael Monfils. The British pair following in

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the footsteps of John Lloyd and Sue Barker who reached

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the semi-finals of the Australian And Liverpool have reached

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the final of the League Cup. Despite leading 1-0 from the first

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leg, Stoke took the match to extra But it was Jurgen Klopp's side

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who came through, Joe Allen scoring It means the German coach is off

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to Wembley in his first It is a story that you've

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talked to us a lot about Yesterday we looked at the number

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of people taking their own lives under the care of mental

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health trusts in England. Today, we look at accusations some

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NHS mental health services could be failing children who've

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been sexually abused. The children's charity the NSPCC

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talked to 1,000 professionals Over 90% of the GPs,

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social workers, psychologists and teachers surveyed believe

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services to help abused children overcome their trauma

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are inadequate. More than 75% say access to therapy

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had got harder over the past five years and more than half say tight

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criteria to access their local services means these children

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are increasingly struggling And clinicians themselves

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are increasingly concerned. He has 30 years' experience

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and is the head of a specialist service in England responsible

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for the mental health services Let's talk to Anna -

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not her real name. Her two daughters

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were sexually abused. We wil talk with Nushra Mansuri

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from the British Association But first we will talk to Anna. Tell

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us what the situation has been for your family? I had two daughters who

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were abused, while they were away from my care. It was very, very

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difficult. They were both different ages, which meant seeking help was

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even harder. What we found was that the children would have to be

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critical, in other words suicidal, in order to get NHS care. It then

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became a full-time job for me trying to find care for my children. I

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managed to find care in two different charities, who are

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unfortunately very hard pushed for funding. Why did the children have

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to be suicidal to qualify for NHS care? That is just the way it

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appeared to be. What were you told, specifically? When we went to the

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doctor, I was told that they would put them on a referral waiting list.

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Then there would be assessed, and depending on the outcome of the

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assessment, depended if they were critical enough to receive urgent

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care. How did you and your daughters feel about that, what impact did

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that have on you? Well, basically, we accessed some help through

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charities, which was a far faster route. Unfortunately, it was quite

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short term because of the limited funding. My youngest daughter, in

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particular, reached a further crisis point later on when she was actually

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threatening to kill herself, at which point we did receive, finally,

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the care that she needed. Do you feel let down? I feel that it is a

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mess and it needs to be sorted out. I feel it is a false economy, not

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helping children when they need it, and through the various stages,

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because both of my daughters went through different stages of care

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needed and went through repeated care needs over a long period of

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time. I think it is a real false economy not to give them help when

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they need it, because they then just seven more and more health problems,

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more and more education problems until they get the care they needed.

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Once they got the care, how transformative was that? It was

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actually really good. The charities in particular need more funding.

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They are the most beneficial, empathetic and seem to have had the

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greatest effect. The clinical care, through the NHS, was also very good,

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once accessed, but again, it was quite short term and interventionist

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in nature. It does make a real difference. Thank you. Let's bring

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in a spokesperson from the National Association of social workers. The

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picture that is painted as very well-known to our members. We

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welcome this campaign by the NSPCC. We welcome people sharing to the

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internet or whatever so that we get the support to make the changes.

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Why's it so difficult for people that need this care to actually get

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it? Because, really, we don't have enough services to meet the needs of

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children and young people but we are talking about. It is like a postcode

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lottery, so it depends where somebody lives. There might be a

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very good service in the voluntary sector. But when we look at the NHS

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and we look at the child and adolescent mental health services,

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we just don't have enough people. We don't have enough social workers,

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psychologists, they are made up of different professionals, to meet the

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growing demand there is for these services and that leaves children

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and young people in a very traumatic situation for too long. They need

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help urgently. Anna was talking about the threshold for emergency

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NHS care being that a child has to be suicidal. Is that a threshold

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across the board, or does it vary from area to area? So, basically, it

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does vary from area to area. Our members, social workers will say

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that their frustration is that they are referring people to services and

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they are not meeting the threshold. Maybe their needs are not seem to be

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as high as other people's needs. So, I think there has been a lot of

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debate since the report was launched this morning about young people, how

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they should not have to get worse or present as being worse, or feel so

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desperate that they would harm themselves, because they need the

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service straightaway, not weeks or months away. Thank you very much.

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The Department of Health has given us a statement.

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Everyday we ask you to get in touch to tell us what stories we should be

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covering. A lot of you have been asking us to look at changes to

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state pensions. Women in their late 50s say

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they are being hit hard by changes By 2020, men and women will have to

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wait longer to get their pension. Because women have recently received

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it at 60, the changes are being accelerated.

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There are big changes now to how much you get and when you get it.

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First, equalising the pension. For many years, men and women were paid

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at different ages. Then at 65 and women at 60. Now, both men and women

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are going to get the state pension at 66. This is about matching the

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ages for men and women. The changes started in 2010 and will continue

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until 2020, when the process ends and men and women get the state

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pension at 66. The problem is that women have more years to make up

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than men. Because in 2010 the Government decided to speed up the

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process, the age women get the pension goes up every few weeks.

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Today, a woman must be 62 years and 11 months to be entitled to a state

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pension. In November, she would need to be 63 years and six months.

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500,000 women between the ages of 56 and 57 will have to wait more than a

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year longer than they planned before receiving the state pension. On top

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of that, campaigners say thousands of women didn't even know about the

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change in the first place, which means women in their late 50s

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expecting to retire at 60 have had to drastically change their plans.

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Many could have to go back to work. And that's about how many years

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you need to work for before On the old scheme,

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you needed to have worked 30 years to pay

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into the National Insurance pot and contribute

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to your state pension. But many older women

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may have only just got 30 years they

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thought they needed. Now, they will need to find a way

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of getting five more, which could include

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working an extra five You have always been able to pay

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for what are called voluntary contributions to your

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National Insurance. That system will continue,

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but campaigners say it is too expensive and it is not fair

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for women in this position. Because the state pension used

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to be worked out around how much you earned,

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women and lower earners But if you earned a lot,

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you could top it up. Now, depending on how

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long you've worked and your personal circumstances,

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the maximum will be ?155.56. So lower earners should

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see an increase. So in the long run, the new state

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pension should help women. But in the short-term,

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the age increase, the speed at which it is being

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changed and the number of years you need to work before

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you get your state pension are all things that are hitting

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women harder than men. Because the population

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keeps getting older, the state pension

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age will keep going So if you are like me

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and working in your 20s, we won't be getting our

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state pension until we Wendy says she was only told two

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years ago that the pension age She had been planning to retire next

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week on her 60th birthday. Now, she says, she'll have

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to work for six more years. June 2013, and it is a letter

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saying my state pension age I didn't know it was

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going up to 65, let I had to phone the DWP up,

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because I thought it was a mistake. Then I actually found out the state

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pension age had gone up in the Pensions Act

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in 1995, but I hadn't This letter actually comes 18 years

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after that Pension Act in 1995. So it took them 18 years

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to let me know about this. Starting work when I was 16,

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I was always told it would be 60. All my working life

:24:58.:25:01.

I thought it was 60. I was told that it was put out

:25:02.:25:07.

on the radio and some newspapers. I certainly didn't see

:25:08.:25:10.

it in the newspapers. How am I supposed to think, in 1995,

:25:11.:25:17.

I must put the radio on, there might be a report

:25:18.:25:21.

about my retirement? You just don't think

:25:22.:25:24.

ahead like that. In 1995, I was 39,

:25:25.:25:26.

I was working, I was travelling. I was doing things with the family,

:25:27.:25:31.

things with friends. I was not thinking

:25:32.:25:33.

about my retirement. I was devastated, because I thought,

:25:34.:25:39.

oh, I can retire at 60, I'm going to go and do some

:25:40.:25:42.

travelling while I'm still fit to go And then to find out

:25:43.:25:46.

I can't retire at 60 and I will have to wait

:25:47.:25:50.

another six years... But now I'm watching

:25:51.:25:55.

every penny I spend. So I've got my council tax,

:25:56.:25:59.

service charge, gas, electric, food, water

:26:00.:26:01.

rates and my wi-fi. Altogether, that comes

:26:02.:26:07.

to around ?600 a month. Had I got my pension,

:26:08.:26:11.

I would be getting ?500 a month state pension in place

:26:12.:26:16.

of the ?350 that I'm So I would actually be

:26:17.:26:18.

?150 a month better off, which gives me just

:26:19.:26:25.

a little bit of a cushion It's still not a vast

:26:26.:26:27.

amount of money. It's still not living a life

:26:28.:26:33.

of luxury, but it was a tiny bit of security, having it

:26:34.:26:36.

there and knowing I don't have to go out to work when I'm

:26:37.:26:39.

not fit to do so. From being 16 years

:26:40.:26:44.

old, I've worked all my life, I've paid

:26:45.:26:46.

National Insurance. I've worked 60 hours a week

:26:47.:26:48.

for social services. I'm not medically fit,

:26:49.:26:54.

really, to work another I have osteoporosis

:26:55.:26:56.

and osteoarthritis. It has got worse -

:26:57.:27:01.

it has gone in my hip and it is now I work on the school bus,

:27:02.:27:04.

taking disabled children to school. I have two steps to get

:27:05.:27:08.

up on the minibus. I have got no husband

:27:09.:27:10.

or partner to provide for me. I've got to work, I've

:27:11.:27:18.

got to finance myself I'm angry at the Government

:27:19.:27:20.

because they did not Had I known in 1995,

:27:21.:27:28.

I could have made provisions I don't want to be a burden

:27:29.:27:32.

for my family after I've gone. In order to help out a bit,

:27:33.:27:37.

I've paid ?3500 of my funeral. That would've been flights

:27:38.:27:43.

to Australia and back. That would have been

:27:44.:27:44.

a lovely holiday. But it's actually

:27:45.:27:48.

gone on my funeral. I'm not going to see any

:27:49.:27:55.

benefit after working hard But I don't know what

:27:56.:27:57.

I can do about it. The Department for Work and Pensions

:27:58.:28:04.

were unable to find us a minister who was available for interview,

:28:05.:28:07.

but a spokesperson told us: "Equalising State Pension age

:28:08.:28:13.

for men and women rights a longstanding inequality and helps

:28:14.:28:15.

ensure that the State Pension remains affordable

:28:16.:28:17.

for future generations. Women retiring today can

:28:18.:28:20.

still expect to receive the State Pension for longer

:28:21.:28:22.

than men - for 26 years on average." Let's speak to Sarah Pennells,

:28:23.:28:26.

who as the founder of Savvy Woman has been contacted by many women

:28:27.:28:29.

on this issue. Sarah, Wendy describing how she is

:28:30.:28:43.

one of the people on the cusp of this, really impacted by the

:28:44.:28:47.

changes. How many women have found themselves being shocked by

:28:48.:28:50.

something they were not expecting? Well, hundreds of thousands. It is

:28:51.:28:56.

affecting hundreds of thousands of women a year. Wendy described really

:28:57.:29:00.

eloquently the problem a lot of women are facing. As the Department

:29:01.:29:03.

for Work and Pensions says, this is initially about equalising the state

:29:04.:29:06.

pension age, which a lot of people will agree with. And what can seem

:29:07.:29:10.

like a fair decision in principle can become very unfair if it is not

:29:11.:29:22.

implemented properly. The real nub of this, although it was produced in

:29:23.:29:27.

1995, there were not real efforts to contact women until years later. A

:29:28.:29:31.

lot of it was relying on adverts and papers or relying on the media to

:29:32.:29:35.

publicise it. Large chunks of the media found it so confusing

:29:36.:29:38.

themselves that they backed away from covering it, for understandable

:29:39.:29:44.

reasons. Can you explain it in a nutshell? The Government says there

:29:45.:29:48.

should not be... Let me read it, to be clear, the maximum delay anybody

:29:49.:29:52.

should have in state pension age is 18 months. But we are hearing from

:29:53.:29:56.

women like Wendy who say it is much bigger for them?

:29:57.:30:02.

It is confusing because for women there are two rises, the first from

:30:03.:30:11.

60 up to 65, due to take effect from the 6th of April 2010, phased in

:30:12.:30:16.

over ten years until 2020, and that would affect women born after the

:30:17.:30:21.

6th of April 19 50. Not great and not great if you have not been told,

:30:22.:30:26.

but it was simple. On top of that, the Coalition Government brought

:30:27.:30:30.

forward the age rise to 66, affecting both women and men. A

:30:31.:30:35.

group of women, those born from the 6th of April 1953 to October 1954,

:30:36.:30:44.

have two rises in their pension age because it is being accelerated.

:30:45.:30:48.

Hundreds of contacted me and thousands have signed a petition.

:30:49.:30:54.

Some women are seeing two rises on top of the other and are being

:30:55.:30:58.

particularly badly hit, although I accept women who did not know about

:30:59.:31:04.

the rise if it is two, four years, that does not help them. Haven't we

:31:05.:31:09.

got a quality? When these women started their working lives it was

:31:10.:31:13.

very different will stop if you look at government figures it shows two

:31:14.:31:17.

thirds in poverty retirement are women. The women's employment

:31:18.:31:22.

figures once they reach 50 are lower than men. Fewer women working

:31:23.:31:28.

full-time. Far more women only have the state pension when they retire,

:31:29.:31:34.

they do not have a private or work -based pension. To resolve Facebook

:31:35.:31:39.

says she is 61 and will not get her pension till 65 and that the rise

:31:40.:31:46.

should have been made gradual. She said her ex-husband is 64 and had

:31:47.:31:52.

his four years ago. Trevor says I am glad I got to 65 before the changes

:31:53.:31:58.

began. And another saying she is furious at the Chancellor. I among

:31:59.:32:02.

thousands will not get the increased pension because we were advised by

:32:03.:32:06.

the employer to opt out. Another says she is one of thousands of

:32:07.:32:12.

women warned in the 50s with no time to prepare and no warning. We are

:32:13.:32:17.

getting lots. Is there a sense this will be looked at. There is more

:32:18.:32:22.

momentum now than I have seen for a long time. There is a petition and

:32:23.:32:27.

organisation called women against state pension inequality. There will

:32:28.:32:35.

be a debate in the House of Commons on Monday specifically in response

:32:36.:32:39.

to the petition. We have had a backbench debate, on the 7th of

:32:40.:32:45.

January. There was a vote. The government was not well represented

:32:46.:32:49.

with only a handful from the Conservative government side. It was

:32:50.:32:55.

158-0 in favour of transitional measures. It does not carry

:32:56.:32:58.

Parliamentary weight but I remember watching debates went the rise to 66

:32:59.:33:05.

was going through and there was little understanding or interesting

:33:06.:33:09.

of the impact on women. I am at least heartened when it is debated

:33:10.:33:14.

now, MPs seem to get it and seem to understand it is not starting from

:33:15.:33:19.

an equal place and women rely on the state pension age more and thousands

:33:20.:33:23.

were not told about the changes and two rises on top of each other have

:33:24.:33:28.

a disproportionate effect on women. I do not think we will see a big

:33:29.:33:33.

change as a result of the debate on Monday but momentum is continuing to

:33:34.:33:38.

build. We are getting a huge response and we'll talk more about

:33:39.:33:42.

it around 10:30am and we will hear from women affected then and we

:33:43.:33:47.

would love to have your messages so do be part of that conversation if

:33:48.:33:49.

you have strong thoughts on this. Last year, she didn't even qualify

:33:50.:33:53.

for the Australian Open. This year, Johanna Konta,

:33:54.:33:56.

who's ranked 47th in the world, powered her way

:33:57.:33:59.

into the semi-finals. We speak to her former coach to find

:34:00.:34:02.

out more about the 24-year-old. First a virus that causes birth

:34:03.:34:17.

defects is spreading with the traveller from Denmark the latest to

:34:18.:34:22.

test positive in Europe. There is no cure and pregnant women are advised

:34:23.:34:25.

not to travel to affected areas. But what is the virus,

:34:26.:34:28.

how is it spread and how can people I'm Tulip Mazumdar, the BBC's global

:34:29.:34:31.

health correspondent, and here's what you need to know

:34:32.:34:36.

about the Zika virus. Unless you are pregnant or thinking

:34:37.:34:38.

about getting pregnant, Zika is not considered

:34:39.:34:41.

particularly harmful. In fact, only one in five people

:34:42.:34:42.

who have it actually Those who do will often

:34:43.:34:45.

have a mild fever, rash, headache and conjunctivitis -

:34:46.:34:51.

red, itchy eyes. But for pregnant women,

:34:52.:34:54.

there are serious concerns, because at the same time as we have

:34:55.:35:01.

seen the number of Zika cases shooting up, we have also seen

:35:02.:35:04.

a sharp rise in the number of microcephaly cases,

:35:05.:35:07.

a potentially fatal condition where babies are born with small

:35:08.:35:08.

heads and underdeveloped brains. Aedes mosquito, the same insect that

:35:09.:35:17.

spreads dengue and yellow fever. It was discovered in

:35:18.:35:23.

in 1947 in monkeys. But there haven't been

:35:24.:35:32.

many human outbreaks, so we don't actually

:35:33.:35:35.

know very much about it. This time, though, more than 20

:35:36.:35:37.

countries have been affected, But some experts say Zika is likely

:35:38.:35:40.

to spread to other countries in Asia and Africa where

:35:41.:35:46.

Aedes mosquitoes live. There is currently no

:35:47.:35:52.

vaccine or cure for Zika, so the best way to protect yourself

:35:53.:35:55.

if you are in a infected area is to use insect repellent,

:35:56.:36:00.

cover up and clear stagnant water from near your home to stop

:36:01.:36:03.

mosquitoes breeding. Some of the worst affected countries

:36:04.:36:05.

have even advised women to avoid getting pregnant for

:36:06.:36:08.

the next couple of years. Nicola Keates and her husband

:36:09.:36:14.

James were in Barbados when they heard the news about

:36:15.:36:29.

the Zika virus spreading there. They decided to come back. And you

:36:30.:36:40.

were planning to go away but have decided not to. Nicola, you are

:36:41.:36:51.

pregnant and were worried. We arrived in Barbados on Tuesday for

:36:52.:37:01.

our dream holiday. By Thursday, Friday, on the news was the Word

:37:02.:37:05.

macro virus we had not heard of before. On Tuesday we got calls from

:37:06.:37:18.

home -- Zika virus. They raised our awareness to it. We looked on the

:37:19.:37:23.

internet, but a feel for the guidance, what's the experts,

:37:24.:37:29.

medical profession, travel industry were advising. There had not been a

:37:30.:37:33.

great deal. By lunchtime on Saturday we made a strong decision we would

:37:34.:37:38.

get the next flight out of Barbados, because we could not risk me being

:37:39.:37:42.

bitten. We landed back in the UK on Monday morning. How worried where

:37:43.:37:51.

you? What were you doing to try to make sure you were not bitten? We

:37:52.:37:56.

asked the hotel to fumigate the room and put in mosquito nets. You never

:37:57.:38:02.

know when a mosquito will bite you. Or whether you will be exposed to

:38:03.:38:08.

that. I covered myself head to toe with repellent, wearing long-sleeved

:38:09.:38:13.

clothing. Trousers. Not great in a hot country. You never quite know. I

:38:14.:38:22.

do not think repellent is enough to give you that comfort. They can

:38:23.:38:27.

appear in the bathrooms, shower rooms, and we found it a very

:38:28.:38:32.

stressful few days. Was it easy to come back? Did you lose out

:38:33.:38:37.

financially? Did anyone give you assistance? The flight back was

:38:38.:38:42.

booked pretty quickly and so we made arrangements for that. We are still

:38:43.:38:46.

in talks with the insurance company as to whether we will be compensated

:38:47.:38:51.

for the loss of the holiday, which was extremely expensive. Fingers

:38:52.:38:58.

crossed we will get compensation for the loss of that. The real worry for

:38:59.:39:01.

you was that you are 19 weeks pregnant and you have now been

:39:02.:39:05.

tested for the Zika virus. Talk us through what happened when you came

:39:06.:39:10.

back will stop we landed back in the UK on Monday and got in touch with

:39:11.:39:15.

the GP, our local surgery asked if we could have blood tests. They did

:39:16.:39:21.

not really understand at first, they did not know too much about it, but

:39:22.:39:26.

because we were persistent and determined to get tested, by

:39:27.:39:30.

lunchtime on Monday we were having blood tests, which we understand

:39:31.:39:35.

have come to London to be tested. Although, we do not know whether the

:39:36.:39:39.

test can take place in London, we think they might have to go to

:39:40.:39:43.

America because the tests in the UK are in the developmental stage. We

:39:44.:39:49.

have another agonising wait to find out whether me or my husband has

:39:50.:39:55.

contracted the virus. We can get some answers from our expert in a

:39:56.:40:00.

moment on that. We saw your report. You were due to go to Barbados. We

:40:01.:40:05.

should have been going on Saturday. You decided not to go. We decided we

:40:06.:40:10.

could not risk it. We have a family history of learning difficulties. I

:40:11.:40:19.

am having additional scans during pregnancy anyway to check brain

:40:20.:40:23.

development. We did that for my daughter, who was born with no

:40:24.:40:28.

problems. It is at the forefront of our minds, what it would be like to

:40:29.:40:34.

take care of a child with learning difficulties. It was particularly

:40:35.:40:38.

quick to make the decision not to go. When you decided not to go on

:40:39.:40:44.

the basis of concerns focusing on this, how did the travel companies

:40:45.:40:50.

react? Will you be out of pocket? They have changed their policy

:40:51.:40:55.

recently. It is a fast developing situation. I don't think they had a

:40:56.:40:58.

policy in place when I first found on Saturday, and I expected them to

:40:59.:41:05.

transfer the booking to a different destination, but I was told it was

:41:06.:41:11.

to close to the time I was travelling. I asked if I could

:41:12.:41:14.

transfer the booking to someone else but was told it was not possible. We

:41:15.:41:19.

spoke to somebody last night who said they would transfer it, or give

:41:20.:41:26.

us a refund. I appreciate it is a fast developing situation but I was

:41:27.:41:29.

not happy with the care I received at the weekend, but they are now

:41:30.:41:33.

addressing it properly. How great are the risks? Nicola has done

:41:34.:41:39.

everything right in Barbados, you covered up, you used insect

:41:40.:41:45.

repellent, stayed indoors. Obviously uncomfortable because it was very

:41:46.:41:49.

warm. In terms of mitigating risks of catching the virus, you have done

:41:50.:41:55.

it all and you took the decision to come out of Barbados and come back

:41:56.:41:59.

within a few days. We should say you do not think you have been bitten.

:42:00.:42:08.

But you are worried. Often when you have the Zika virus you have an

:42:09.:42:13.

itch, headaches, you will get a fever. Only one in five people who

:42:14.:42:17.

have the virus will show those symptoms. You do not necessarily

:42:18.:42:24.

definitely know either way but you have done everything you can and you

:42:25.:42:26.

have done what the advices from the UK. Covering up and being obsessive

:42:27.:42:36.

about staying safe. It is a risk clearly to pregnant women and as I

:42:37.:42:41.

said earlier, that is the concern, it is not a risk to anyone else. If

:42:42.:42:47.

you get sick with it you are normally through it in a week, but

:42:48.:42:52.

it is a difficult time for you, waiting for results. In terms of

:42:53.:42:57.

testing there is no commercially available testing kit, which is why

:42:58.:43:01.

it is taking time, I suspect. Your results may have gone to the US, you

:43:02.:43:08.

mentioned, and it is the centre for diseases and control that will

:43:09.:43:12.

possibly be looking at them. They normally get them back within one,

:43:13.:43:17.

two weeks. You are doing everything right. You made the decision to come

:43:18.:43:22.

back. The government is saying to pregnant women, just as you decided

:43:23.:43:27.

to reconsider going, the World Health Organisation is not going

:43:28.:43:30.

that far, saying it is a personal choice to make will stop but you

:43:31.:43:36.

have done everything you can. The number of cases in Barbados is not

:43:37.:43:40.

huge. This is not Brazil where we have seen hundreds, thousands of

:43:41.:43:48.

cases. Did you have any questions? Only insofar as if I have got it,

:43:49.:43:53.

how am I going to know I will be looked after and cared for, what is

:43:54.:43:59.

in place for me? I think you need to liaise with your doctors because

:44:00.:44:03.

they will best advise. Everybody has their eyes on this at the moment.

:44:04.:44:09.

There is not a lot of information out there, it is a relatively new

:44:10.:44:14.

virus in terms of having a big impact. You need to keep in close

:44:15.:44:17.

contact with your doctor, which I am sure you are doing. And you are in a

:44:18.:44:22.

place in the UK with a lot of expertise. Good luck. Now the

:44:23.:44:33.

weather. Carol has the details. How is everything looking?

:44:34.:44:38.

Yesterday it was wet and windy across many parts. I want to show

:44:39.:44:42.

you pictures some of the weather watchers have sent in. The first is

:44:43.:44:47.

of South Yorkshire where we have strong winds, so much so, high sided

:44:48.:44:54.

vehicles actually blew over. We are not finished with this weather yet,

:44:55.:44:59.

but we have this one showing large waves crashing in in south Wales. We

:45:00.:45:04.

have one from the North Wales showing the rain coming down, the

:45:05.:45:09.

waves crashing in, as well. Cardigan is drenched. As we move up the

:45:10.:45:16.

country, similar in the north-west of England.

:45:17.:45:19.

Lancashire. I cannot imagine how someone took back picture!

:45:20.:45:25.

And another one as well, in Cumbria, where there is an area of concern

:45:26.:45:30.

for the Environment Agency, because it is sensitive to a lot of rain.

:45:31.:45:36.

Today's forecast is similar in that it is pretty wet and windy. This

:45:37.:45:43.

morning we have had minor flooding in Dumfries and Galloway, which I

:45:44.:45:48.

believe can be passed with care. We have more to come over the next

:45:49.:45:51.

few days. You prefer milder weather at this

:45:52.:45:55.

time of year, or do you prefer a cold blast?

:45:56.:45:58.

I like it when it is crisp and clear.

:45:59.:46:00.

Whatever you said you will be in luck. The blue being replaced by

:46:01.:46:06.

yellow and then cold blue and then we see yellow coming in as we head

:46:07.:46:10.

to the weekend. The weather is all over the shop. It

:46:11.:46:15.

will be cold and mild, wet and windy. And we will see sunshine amid

:46:16.:46:17.

that. Nice to see you. women like Wendy who say it is much

:46:18.:46:22.

bigger for them? We have a wet and windy started the

:46:23.:46:28.

day, but it will brighten up later. There will be some sunshine around,

:46:29.:46:32.

but there will also be some showers and some of those showers will be

:46:33.:46:36.

wintry in nature, mostly in the hills of Scotland. We have had a lot

:46:37.:46:40.

of rain this morning already, coming across Scotland, across Northern

:46:41.:46:44.

Ireland and England, some of that particularly heavy. We have some

:46:45.:46:47.

rain across the South and we have a plethora of showers as well. The

:46:48.:46:53.

strongest wind is going to transfer southwards through the course of the

:46:54.:46:58.

day, behind it, we see brighter conditions, some sunshine, showers

:46:59.:47:05.

and still wintry on the hills of Scotland. Heavy bursts at lower

:47:06.:47:09.

levels. It will be fairly transient. In the afternoon, for south-west

:47:10.:47:13.

England, we can expect a bit of sunshine, further amounts of cloud,

:47:14.:47:15.

and it is the same when we drift into the area of the Isle of Wight.

:47:16.:47:20.

For the Southern counties, I think we have more clout and the remnants

:47:21.:47:26.

of the rain. For the East Midlands, some sunshine and showers and bright

:47:27.:47:32.

spells. Some showers could be quite beefy in nature. Then we run into

:47:33.:47:35.

the showers in Scotland. Wintry in the hills, heavier ones on lower

:47:36.:47:43.

levels. We could see a bit of winteriness at lower levels, in

:47:44.:47:47.

between dry and bright. For Wales, well, after this morning's rain,

:47:48.:47:50.

again, we will be left with some showers. Through the evening and

:47:51.:47:53.

overnight, the rain completely clears away. The sky is also clear.

:47:54.:47:58.

We are looking at a widespread frost. Not just in rural areas, we

:47:59.:48:02.

could see some of that in towns and cities as well. You could be

:48:03.:48:07.

scraping your car first thing. In Northern Ireland, still wintry with

:48:08.:48:11.

height. For England and Wales, it will be a beautiful start the day

:48:12.:48:14.

tomorrow, with a lot of sunshine around. However, through the day,

:48:15.:48:18.

the next Atlantic system comes in from the north and west, introducing

:48:19.:48:22.

rain across Scotland and Northern Ireland. Ahead of that, we will

:48:23.:48:26.

notice the cloud building again with those showers. We hang on to the

:48:27.:48:30.

brighter skies across southern and eastern counties of England, with

:48:31.:48:35.

some sunshine. As we head into Friday, again, we have an array of

:48:36.:48:38.

weather fronts coming from the Atlantic. They are going to produce

:48:39.:48:42.

some rain. Some of it is in sensitive areas where we do not want

:48:43.:48:46.

it. Look at the isobars. Wherever you are, it is going to be windy,

:48:47.:48:49.

particularly first thing in the morning. Some of us will experience

:48:50.:48:54.

gales, wind speeds of 80 mph across Shetlands.

:48:55.:48:59.

Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us.

:49:00.:49:01.

The world tennis authorities launch an independent review

:49:02.:49:05.

into the effectiveness of their anti-corruption practices

:49:06.:49:08.

following allegations that evidence of match-fixing was ignored.

:49:09.:49:17.

They have to conduct everything on a very confidential basis, be very

:49:18.:49:23.

discreet with their interactions with players under investigation, as

:49:24.:49:26.

well as the witnesses they need to interview.

:49:27.:49:26.

Ofsted inspectors in England are told they can fail schools

:49:27.:49:29.

for allowing Muslim pupils and teachers to wear face veils

:49:30.:49:33.

they are being hit hard by changes to rules on state pensions.

:49:34.:49:39.

Lots of you have been getting in touch during the programme -

:49:40.:49:42.

we'll be hearing how it's affecting you.

:49:43.:49:51.

The world tennis authorities have launched an independent

:49:52.:49:54.

inquiry into corruption, amid allegations of match-fixing.

:49:55.:49:56.

It's after an investigation found that 16 players ranked in the top 50

:49:57.:50:01.

were suspected of throwing matches but still allowed to compete.

:50:02.:50:06.

Meanwhile at the Australian Open, Johanna Konta has become the first

:50:07.:50:08.

British woman to reach a Grand Slam final for more than thirty years.

:50:09.:50:19.

The review panel can look at anything. They can talk to anyone,

:50:20.:50:22.

investigate anything. A virus that causes serious birth

:50:23.:50:24.

defects is spreading, with a traveller in Denmark

:50:25.:50:26.

the latest person to test The Zika virus is spread

:50:27.:50:29.

by a mosquito virus and has been linked to brain damage in thousands

:50:30.:50:33.

of babies in Latin America. There is no known cure and pregnant

:50:34.:50:37.

women are being advised not The NHS is failing some children

:50:38.:50:40.

who have been sexually abused, The NSPCC talked to a thousand

:50:41.:50:47.

professionals who work with children, including GPs,

:50:48.:50:51.

social workers, More than nine in ten said services

:50:52.:50:53.

to help abused children overcome their trauma

:50:54.:50:59.

were not good enough. At least one person has died

:51:00.:51:03.

in a shoot out as police arrest the leader of an armed militia group

:51:04.:51:07.

who have been occupying a wildlife The group set up camp at the reserve

:51:08.:51:10.

three weeks ago, in protest at what they say is unfair treatment

:51:11.:51:15.

of local ranchers by the government. The bank RBS, which is mostly

:51:16.:51:18.

owned by the taxpayer, is to make a loss again

:51:19.:51:25.

because of a multi-billion-pound The bank is to set aside ?1.5

:51:26.:51:27.

billion to pay for bad housing debts in the US,

:51:28.:51:34.

plus another ?500 million to settle Sales of the Apple iPhone have

:51:35.:51:37.

fallen to their lowest since the product was

:51:38.:51:43.

launched nine years ago. The company is warning

:51:44.:51:45.

of a about a ?5 billion slump in its profits compared with last

:51:46.:51:49.

year, after selling 300,000 fewer It would be their first fall in

:51:50.:52:00.

takings since the iPhone first went on sale in 2007.

:52:01.:52:03.

Great news for British tennis this morning.

:52:04.:52:10.

As we've been hearing for the first time in 39 years there's a British

:52:11.:52:13.

pair through to the men and women's semi finals of a grand slam.

:52:14.:52:17.

Johanna Konta continued her incredible run as she knocked out

:52:18.:52:19.

China's Zhang Shuai in straight sets to reach the last four

:52:20.:52:22.

Jo Durie was the first to reach that round.

:52:23.:52:36.

And despite making history, the British number one says

:52:37.:52:38.

she wasn't feeling the pressure out on court.

:52:39.:52:40.

I felt I did quite a good job at removing any sort of occasion

:52:41.:52:43.

I really just took it as a tennis match.

:52:44.:52:47.

I was competing against a really good opponent and I just wanted

:52:48.:52:50.

to make sure I was executing to the best of my ability

:52:51.:52:53.

what I wanted to get done out there, and I felt I did that.

:52:54.:52:56.

It could have been a first round, it could

:52:57.:53:00.

have been any round in this tournament.

:53:01.:53:02.

I really enjoyed just competing out there and dealing

:53:03.:53:04.

He found things a little tougher against the Spaniard David Ferrer.

:53:05.:53:12.

But having booked his place, it means both he and Konta have

:53:13.:53:16.

matched the achievements of John Lloyd and Sue Barker

:53:17.:53:18.

who made the semifinals in

:53:19.:53:19.

Murray took the first set, but the world number eight Ferrer

:53:20.:53:27.

came back in the second - to level the match on a tie-break.

:53:28.:53:34.

Murray was angry with himself after that, and it may have worked -

:53:35.:53:38.

he took the third set 6-2 and this stunning shot set him up for a great

:53:39.:53:42.

It means he'll play either Milos Raonic or Gael Monfils

:53:43.:53:54.

They are currently playing at the moment.

:53:55.:54:04.

Liverpool are on their way to Wembley after beating Stoke City

:54:05.:54:06.

6-5 on penalties in the Capital One Cup semi-final last night.

:54:07.:54:09.

Before the penalty drama, Stoke scored the only goal

:54:10.:54:12.

of the game - Marko Arnautovic cancelling out Liverpool's one goal

:54:13.:54:15.

Simon Mignolet was the hero for Liverpool in the

:54:16.:54:22.

And Joe Allen then stepped forward to hit the winning penalty and set

:54:23.:54:31.

up meeting with either Manchester City or neighbours

:54:32.:54:33.

And finally Linlithgow Rose have become the first team from outside

:54:34.:54:50.

to reach the last 16 of the Scottish Cup.

:54:51.:54:56.

The team is made up of semi professional players -

:54:57.:54:59.

their captain couldn't play last night because he couldn't

:55:00.:55:01.

get his shift off at the sausage factory he works at.

:55:02.:55:03.

They will play Premiership side Ross County next -

:55:04.:55:06.

win that and it really would be a genuine David and Goliath tale.

:55:07.:55:12.

Brilliant! Surely he will be able to play in every match from now on?

:55:13.:55:17.

He's got to get it off now! Thank you for joining us this

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morning, welcome to the programme if you've just joined us,

:55:21.:55:22.

we're on BBC 2 and the BBC A big response from you this morning

:55:23.:55:25.

on a story you wanted us to cover Many women in their late 50s say

:55:26.:55:30.

they're being hit hard by changes Earlier we heard from one woman

:55:31.:55:34.

who told us she's going to lose out. Lots of you are getting in touch to

:55:35.:55:42.

say you are in the same boat. Liz on email - "I have lost 5

:55:43.:55:50.

years at 6,000 a year. I will be 63 this year

:55:51.:55:53.

and still working. The woman next door is 9 months

:55:54.:55:56.

older than me, not worked for years and already receives

:55:57.:56:01.

a state pension. Not only that, I can't get

:56:02.:56:02.

a bus pass until I am 65. My friend is 13

:56:03.:56:05.

months older than me. She is getting her pension

:56:06.:56:10.

nearly 4 years before me. I understand why the changes have

:56:11.:56:12.

been made but it wasn't fair I have lost out on between

:56:13.:56:17.

?30,000 and ?40,000." We're going to talk more

:56:18.:56:23.

about the issue and try and explain But do get in touch -

:56:24.:56:26.

texts will be charged Wherever you are you can

:56:27.:56:31.

watch our programme online - via the bbc news app

:56:32.:56:39.

or our website bbc.co.uk/victoria. Some breaking news from the Court of

:56:40.:56:54.

Appeal, we are hearing that a victim of domestic violence and the

:56:55.:56:56.

grandparents of a severely disabled teenager have come in the past few

:56:57.:57:00.

moments, won Court of Appeal challenges over the lawfulness of

:57:01.:57:04.

the so-called bedroom tax. The changes were brought in two years

:57:05.:57:07.

ago by the Coalition Government to encourage people in social housing

:57:08.:57:12.

to downsize to smaller properties. The case was brought by A, a single

:57:13.:57:23.

mother living in a council has not had a secure panic room fitted to

:57:24.:57:26.

protect her from a violent ex-partner. The Department for Work

:57:27.:57:30.

and Pensions said she was under occupying the home and she was

:57:31.:57:35.

facing losing ?11.65 a week from her benefits because of that. Also sue

:57:36.:57:40.

and Paul Rutherford brought the other case. Their case centred on

:57:41.:57:46.

their spare room, because they say it is used by carers for their

:57:47.:57:50.

grandson, who they love after all time. Let's talk to Paul Rutherford

:57:51.:57:55.

now. He is one of those carers and joins us live from Pembrokeshire. He

:57:56.:58:00.

is with Warren, his grandson. They have just heard the verdict. Thank

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you for joining us. What is your reaction, you have won the case? I

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don't know what to say. I had lots of stuff planned to say, but I am

:58:10.:58:14.

just absolutely delighted. Brilliant news, I could not have a better

:58:15.:58:18.

start to the day. Absolutely fantastic. Tell us more about your

:58:19.:58:24.

situation. Well, the bungalow where we live was built for Warren in the

:58:25.:58:31.

first place. It is a three-bedroom bungalow. We have carers looking

:58:32.:58:37.

after Warren with us every single day of the week. Sometimes they stay

:58:38.:58:44.

overnight to give us a break. We need that room for the carers to

:58:45.:58:50.

stay in, when they are here. Two years ago, nearly three years, I

:58:51.:58:54.

think, the Government decided that, for some reason, we could never

:58:55.:58:58.

figure it out, we were going to have to pay for the privilege of having

:58:59.:59:04.

this room. We thought this was completely unfair, both to us as a

:59:05.:59:08.

family, and two other people like us. Our story got out, I put it on

:59:09.:59:17.

the internet, the story got picked up by the Papworth Trust, and the

:59:18.:59:25.

Child Poverty Action Group, and they helped us get to where we are today,

:59:26.:59:29.

which is absolutely fantastic. I can't say it enough. How much of a

:59:30.:59:35.

relief is it for you? Do you feel you would have to move from that

:59:36.:59:42.

home? We were... Well, we have the discretionary housing payments from

:59:43.:59:44.

the council to make up the shortfall. We were always worried

:59:45.:59:50.

that would stop. So, we never felt secure, being here any more. That

:59:51.:59:57.

put a big strain on Sue and I asked people, the uncertainty of knowing

:59:58.:00:00.

what would happen in the future all of the time. To say it was

:00:01.:00:06.

stressful, I mean, it is very early days now. But looking back, it has

:00:07.:00:10.

been very, very stressful through the last couple of years. Like I

:00:11.:00:17.

say, I am a bit lost for words. I could almost cry with happiness. I

:00:18.:00:22.

hope that other people in our situation are going to benefit from

:00:23.:00:33.

this court's court decision. Has Warren been aware of what has been

:00:34.:00:37.

going on? He's been aware of... He's gone to sleep! He's been aware of

:00:38.:00:45.

the stress and tension is, for sure. It's very difficult to know exactly

:00:46.:00:50.

how much he is aware of. But he understands most of the stuff that

:00:51.:00:55.

is going on. He just can't express it, he can't speak. He is just Mr

:00:56.:01:08.

cool at the moment. You were having the shortfall covered by

:01:09.:01:11.

Pembrokeshire Council, why did you keep fighting if you were not out of

:01:12.:01:18.

pocket? We thought one day the government was just going to stop

:01:19.:01:22.

these payments, because they have cut the money they have given to

:01:23.:01:27.

councils as far as I understand. It was just a fear that what happens if

:01:28.:01:34.

this money stops. The point was that... It was so unfair, somebody

:01:35.:01:39.

had to do something to try to get the law changed, or the situation

:01:40.:01:45.

changed, and people are doing a brilliant job. We do it, it is our

:01:46.:01:50.

life, but there is other people out there, like us, doing the same sort

:01:51.:01:55.

of thing, and we are saving the government millions of pounds a year

:01:56.:02:00.

between us. We need looking after and helping, rather than penalising

:02:01.:02:05.

us. We feel we have been penalised the last few years, despite getting

:02:06.:02:11.

this payment. We had to fight for the discretionary payment in the

:02:12.:02:14.

first place. We got turned down three times by Pembrokeshire

:02:15.:02:20.

Council. It was not until our story God in the national media we were

:02:21.:02:22.

given the discretionary payment anyway. We had to fight all the way.

:02:23.:02:31.

There did not seem any point in sort of starting off a battle, a fight,

:02:32.:02:39.

whatever you want to call it, and packing in halfway without getting

:02:40.:02:44.

the ultimate, which was to try to get the law changed. Thank you very

:02:45.:02:54.

much for joining us. We can bring in our legal correspondent. Tell us

:02:55.:03:00.

more about this ruling. Is it an issue of principle that will affect

:03:01.:03:06.

many others? It will affect people within two specific groups. You

:03:07.:03:12.

spoke to Paul Rutherford. What the court found was the so-called

:03:13.:03:16.

bedroom tax, this tax which if you are deemed to have an additional

:03:17.:03:22.

room reduces your housing benefit by 14%, two, reduces it by 25%. It

:03:23.:03:31.

affects two groups. Severely disabled children, who require an

:03:32.:03:36.

overnight carer. We do not have a specific number for those affected

:03:37.:03:39.

but the child poverty action group who brought the claim and supported

:03:40.:03:45.

the Rutherfords, they estimate it is in the thousands, not the tens of

:03:46.:03:48.

thousands but thousands. Also the court ruled it unlawfully

:03:49.:03:54.

discriminates against victims of domestic violence. In the case of

:03:55.:04:04.

the Lady only known as A, she was so severely abused in terms of domestic

:04:05.:04:09.

violence, she had been raped and assaulted and stalked by a former

:04:10.:04:15.

partner. She was in such a degree of danger, her home had been

:04:16.:04:23.

specifically adapted, and a huge number of adaptations had been made

:04:24.:04:28.

to ensure her safety, including the creation of what is known as a panic

:04:29.:04:33.

room, panic space. It is estimated that as a result of Freedom of

:04:34.:04:38.

Information requests there are around 300 people in her situation.

:04:39.:04:42.

This ruling affects all of the people in those groups. Victims of

:04:43.:04:51.

domestic violence, that 300, and thousands of severely disabled

:04:52.:04:54.

children. I should add the government have just told me they

:04:55.:04:58.

will be appealing both of these rulings. That is the first time we

:04:59.:05:07.

have had that. What was the defence of the government through this? The

:05:08.:05:16.

government say throughout they have provided discretionary payments. In

:05:17.:05:25.

fact they say they are giving ?870 million in extra funding for

:05:26.:05:29.

discretionary payments to mitigate the rigours, if you like, caused by

:05:30.:05:34.

the bedroom tax. They say that essentially that fund makes it a

:05:35.:05:42.

fair tax. These rulings are clear. I should add that there was a more

:05:43.:05:47.

general challenge to the bedroom tax by adults disabled people. That

:05:48.:05:52.

failed at the Court of Appeal. It is due to be heard at the Supreme Court

:05:53.:05:56.

in March. The government have said it will appeal these rulings today.

:05:57.:06:03.

What will happen is all of these appeals will be rolled into one

:06:04.:06:08.

bundle and heard by the Supreme Court in March. For the moment, we

:06:09.:06:14.

have two successful challenges on behalf of those groups. Severely

:06:15.:06:18.

disabled children needing an overnight carer and also victims of

:06:19.:06:22.

domestic violence in specially adapted accommodation on the other.

:06:23.:06:26.

Tennis officials are launching an inquiry into the sport's

:06:27.:06:29.

own anti-corruption watchdog - the Tennis Integrity Unit.

:06:30.:06:34.

It follows an investigation by the BBC and the website

:06:35.:06:36.

Buzzfeed News, which found that 16 players ranked within the top 50 had

:06:37.:06:39.

been suspected of throwing matches but were still allowed to compete.

:06:40.:06:42.

The announcement was made at the Australian Open.

:06:43.:06:47.

It is vital we repair this damage and that we do so quickly.

:06:48.:06:50.

Which is why today we are announcing an

:06:51.:06:52.

independent review that will examine all aspects of tennis's

:06:53.:06:56.

anti-corruption programme, including the tennis integrity

:06:57.:06:59.

unit's work, which will make recommendations for change.

:07:00.:07:04.

We are determined to do everything we need to do to remove

:07:05.:07:06.

We are in a toxic environment for sport at the moment.

:07:07.:07:13.

In terms of it is an easy target for people to have a go with recent

:07:14.:07:17.

allegations of other governing bodies.

:07:18.:07:25.

We want to be as open and transparent as possible

:07:26.:07:27.

to demonstrate that we will look at this thoroughly.

:07:28.:07:29.

There is a zero, zero tolerance for this in our game.

:07:30.:07:32.

Christian Leathley is a lawyer at Herbert Smith Freehills

:07:33.:07:34.

which represented the Tennis Integrity Unit in the first case

:07:35.:07:37.

He told this programme he welcomed the review but warned that

:07:38.:07:41.

discretion was vital to uncovering wrongdoing.

:07:42.:07:47.

The context that has to be borne in mind is that there has to be age

:07:48.:07:56.

menders amount of discretion on the part of the investigators in the

:07:57.:08:00.

tennis integrity unit that one would hope any recommendations would help

:08:01.:08:04.

protect that discretion, which is paramount to enabling them to do

:08:05.:08:08.

their job and to investigate corruption which is inherently a

:08:09.:08:12.

difficult thing to investigate. Is there a danger that is at odds with

:08:13.:08:17.

what they talk about in terms of transparency and openness? Very

:08:18.:08:23.

much. Piecemeal oversight on this occasion to react to, the BuzzFeed,

:08:24.:08:30.

BBC report, is necessary. Transparency is not always the best

:08:31.:08:34.

friend to a corruption investigation. From my experience

:08:35.:08:39.

working with the tennis integrity unit, they have to conduct

:08:40.:08:42.

everything confidentially, be discreet with interactions with

:08:43.:08:45.

players under investigation, as well as witnesses they need to interview.

:08:46.:08:49.

From your perspective as somebody who has been involved in

:08:50.:08:55.

investigations, how rigorous do you believe the system is to be, and do

:08:56.:09:02.

you believe that everything has been investigated as it should be? People

:09:03.:09:06.

criticising this say the data being talked about is based on matches

:09:07.:09:12.

that have already been investigated. The individuals I worked with, a

:09:13.:09:16.

gentleman, Nigel Williton, the head of the unit, is a savvy investigator

:09:17.:09:24.

who has previously worked with the police. I felt they conducted all

:09:25.:09:29.

the interviews are they needed to -- interviews they needed to. They do

:09:30.:09:34.

not have police powers. They are hamstrung in some way in terms of

:09:35.:09:40.

access to information they can obtain. Their investigation was

:09:41.:09:43.

thorough. The information was passed to me and working with them we put

:09:44.:09:48.

together a legal case. They tried to exhaust every avenue before they

:09:49.:09:52.

went ahead with the prosecution, given sanctions such as a life ban,

:09:53.:10:00.

as Daniel Kollerer suffered in the investigation I was involved in. On

:10:01.:10:02.

the tennis court, the news. Johanna Konta - a virtually unknown

:10:03.:10:05.

24 year-old British tennis player - In the early hours of this morning

:10:06.:10:08.

she made it through to the semi-finals of a

:10:09.:10:15.

grand-slam tournament. Here to tell us more

:10:16.:10:21.

is Justin Sherring, professional tennis coach who coached Johanna

:10:22.:10:29.

early on in her You must be delighted to see how

:10:30.:10:36.

well she is doing. I am thrilled. Even when you say that, it is one of

:10:37.:10:42.

the most exciting things for some time in British tennis, amazing. How

:10:43.:10:49.

has she managed the turnaround? She was world 146 and is now in a grand

:10:50.:10:54.

slam semifinal, and I guess it is fair to say most of us had not

:10:55.:11:01.

really heard of her before. When I worked with her, she was obviously a

:11:02.:11:07.

very talented, had a lot of ability, and I could not believe that a girl

:11:08.:11:13.

of this level was not higher in the game. She has gone away to Spain,

:11:14.:11:19.

she is working with a fantastic team of coaches. They have done their

:11:20.:11:22.

work properly and thoroughly and now we are seeing the benefit of that

:11:23.:11:28.

work. Explain that. You are talking about an amazing battle ability and

:11:29.:11:31.

you thought she should be doing better and she was not, what slotted

:11:32.:11:37.

into place to make the change? It takes a long time. Tennis is such a

:11:38.:11:43.

tough individual sport. You are out there a long time, on your own,

:11:44.:11:48.

solving problems, under severe physical stress. Especially in the

:11:49.:11:52.

Australian Open. It takes time for your body to mature and your mind to

:11:53.:11:57.

mature and bring everything together. That is what we are seeing

:11:58.:12:02.

now. I was wondering about body and mind. They are key factors. In the

:12:03.:12:09.

end, is raising your game to the ultimate level in tennis or any

:12:10.:12:15.

sport come down to mental attitude? Ultimately, I think it does. All

:12:16.:12:19.

experts would say that because your mind controls your body. Pushing for

:12:20.:12:25.

those extra balls when your body is screaming, stop. It is tough to do

:12:26.:12:30.

and not what most of us would like to do on a daily basis, especially

:12:31.:12:37.

under extreme heat, pressure and worldwide press. What she's doing is

:12:38.:12:41.

extreme, she has worked hard for it, and she is ready for it. The British

:12:42.:12:46.

are getting behind her but she was born in Australia and played for

:12:47.:12:51.

Australia until 2012 when she took British citizenship. Why did she

:12:52.:12:56.

make the change? I am not sure why she made the change. When I met her

:12:57.:13:03.

in 2005, she had an Australian accent, but she was the same

:13:04.:13:08.

vivacious spirit she is now that you see on the tennis court. The only

:13:09.:13:12.

difference is that her English accent has improved and with the

:13:13.:13:16.

Australians trying to reclaim her, I am glad her accent is getting

:13:17.:13:21.

stronger. She had an Australian accent until when, 2010? Maybe when

:13:22.:13:28.

I first met her, 2005, she had an Australian twang, and now it is nice

:13:29.:13:32.

to hear that replaced with the English accent. Let's hope she goes

:13:33.:13:39.

on to do well. A name we are getting familiar with, Johanna Konta. Thank

:13:40.:13:46.

you to her former coach. We can go back to our legal correspondent who

:13:47.:13:49.

has been at the Royal Courts of Justice with reaction to the

:13:50.:13:53.

so-called spare bedroom tax legal ruling. Bring more reaction to this,

:13:54.:14:01.

Clive. This morning there has been defeat for the government on two

:14:02.:14:05.

fronts. Two appeals were brought, won by a woman who was the victim of

:14:06.:14:11.

domestic violence, who had been raped, assaulted and stalked, and

:14:12.:14:14.

whose house had been specially adapted, such was the threat from

:14:15.:14:18.

her former partner. The second case was brought by grandparent carers of

:14:19.:14:27.

a 15-year-old boy who is so severely disabled he cannot talk, walk, feed

:14:28.:14:31.

himself, and he needs overnight care. In both cases they were hit by

:14:32.:14:37.

the so-called bedroom tax, which deducts 14% of housing benefit if

:14:38.:14:44.

you have one room that is surplus. 25% if you are deemed to have two

:14:45.:14:47.

rooms. This morning the Court of Appeal ruled that the tax amounted

:14:48.:14:53.

to unlawful discrimination against people in those groups, so severely

:14:54.:15:01.

disabled children needing an overnight carer and female victims

:15:02.:15:05.

of domestic violence who have had a special adaptation to their home so

:15:06.:15:14.

that the woman, A, her home was made secure, she has a special measures

:15:15.:15:18.

put in place, including the creation of a safer, panic room. I have with

:15:19.:15:24.

me the solicitor for the woman concerned and also Michael Spencer

:15:25.:15:29.

from the Child poverty action group that represented the Rutherfords.

:15:30.:15:35.

Give me your take on the significance of this. Very pleased

:15:36.:15:39.

about the ruling. It means the Rutherfords and other families with

:15:40.:15:43.

disabled children like them can continue to stay in their home, safe

:15:44.:15:47.

in the knowledge they can provide the care their disabled children

:15:48.:15:53.

need. The Rutherfords were in a specially adapted bungalow but had

:15:54.:15:57.

they not won, they might have had to move?

:15:58.:16:03.

There was a risk that Warren might have to move into full-time

:16:04.:16:07.

residential care, great additional expense to the tax payer. It is

:16:08.:16:11.

fantastic that they can stay where they are. Do we have a sense of the

:16:12.:16:18.

numbers of people in Warren's situation, severely disabled

:16:19.:16:20.

children who need an overnight carer, who will be affected and

:16:21.:16:27.

protected by the ruling? It's a very specific situation, it's children

:16:28.:16:31.

who need an additional rule for carers to stay in overnight. We

:16:32.:16:34.

don't know an exact figure, but we estimate probably in the thousands.

:16:35.:16:40.

You must be delighted in behalf of your client? Yes, she is also really

:16:41.:16:46.

happy that the three years of waiting for the courts to recognise

:16:47.:16:49.

the very real risk to her has come to fruition. As you mentioned

:16:50.:16:53.

before, her case is one that is about really serious domestic

:16:54.:16:56.

violence. We are talking about a very small group of women. How many,

:16:57.:17:02.

roughly? We did a Freedom of information request the summer

:17:03.:17:05.

before last, we estimated it was in the region of 280 women, in

:17:06.:17:13.

specially adapted century homes, through a special scheme with the

:17:14.:17:16.

police, supported by the Home Office, designed to prevent women

:17:17.:17:19.

who are victims of violence becoming homeless. That group of 280 people,

:17:20.:17:26.

like my client, were faced with the bedroom tax leaving them at risk of

:17:27.:17:30.

homelessness again. This time, at serious risk because they would not

:17:31.:17:33.

be able to get those adaptations. The other thing that we found out

:17:34.:17:37.

from the Freedom of information request was that the majority of

:17:38.:17:42.

those people in that situation were not receiving discretionary payments

:17:43.:17:48.

that the government relies on. Thank you very much indeed. To bring you

:17:49.:17:52.

up to date, we have just heard from the Government, who say they have

:17:53.:17:56.

provided ?870 million to local authorities to mitigate the rigours

:17:57.:18:03.

of the bedroom tax and to assist people in the situation that both A

:18:04.:18:08.

and Warren, the gunman, the 15-year-old disabled boy, find

:18:09.:18:14.

themselves in. -- the younger man. There is another case in relation to

:18:15.:18:20.

the bedroom tax and whether it is discriminatory against adult

:18:21.:18:23.

disabled people that will be heard at the Supreme Court in early March.

:18:24.:18:27.

The appeals in relation to these two cases, brought by the Government,

:18:28.:18:32.

will be rolled into that and there will be one large earring at the

:18:33.:18:35.

Supreme Court in early March, looking at the bedroom tax, and how

:18:36.:18:39.

and whether it is discriminatory. Back to you.

:18:40.:18:44.

Women in their late 50s say they are being hit hard by changes to state

:18:45.:18:55.

pensions. Could it affect you? We will be discussing the news that

:18:56.:18:58.

Ofsted inspectors in England can fail schools for allowing Muslim

:18:59.:19:05.

pupils and teachers to wear face veils if it is a barrier to

:19:06.:19:12.

learning. There has been a blow for the so-called bedroom tax, the extra

:19:13.:19:15.

rent some council tenants have to pay for spare rules. -- rooms. A

:19:16.:19:20.

victim of domestic violence and the grandparents of a severely disabled

:19:21.:19:23.

boy have won Court of Appeal challenges against the charge. The

:19:24.:19:27.

Government say they will appeal against the ruling. I'm a bit lost

:19:28.:19:32.

for words, I could almost cry with happiness. I hope that other people

:19:33.:19:36.

in our situation are going to benefit from the decision as well.

:19:37.:19:44.

Tennis authorities have launched an independent inquiry into corruption

:19:45.:19:48.

amid allegations of match fixing being ignored. It's after an

:19:49.:19:50.

investigation finding that 16 players ranked in the top 50 were

:19:51.:19:54.

suspected of throwing matches but still allowed to compete. At the

:19:55.:19:59.

Australian open, Johanna Konta has become the first British woman to

:20:00.:20:02.

reach a grand slam semifinal for more than 30 years. The review panel

:20:03.:20:09.

can look at anything, they can talk to anyone, investigate anything. A

:20:10.:20:15.

virus that could cause serious birth defects is spreading, with a

:20:16.:20:19.

traveller in Denmark the latest person to test positive in Europe.

:20:20.:20:23.

The Zika virus is spread by a mosquito and has been linked to

:20:24.:20:27.

brain damage in thousands of babies in Latin America. There is no known

:20:28.:20:30.

cure and pregnant women are being advised not to travel to affected

:20:31.:20:32.

areas. The bank RBS, which is mostly

:20:33.:20:34.

owned by the taxpayer, is to make a loss again

:20:35.:20:36.

because of a multi-billion-pound The bank is to set aside ?1.5

:20:37.:20:38.

billion to pay for bad housing debts in the US,

:20:39.:20:43.

plus another ?500 million to settle Sales of the Apple iPhone have

:20:44.:20:46.

fallen to their lowest growth since the product

:20:47.:20:53.

was launched nine years ago. The company is warning

:20:54.:20:55.

of a about a ?5 billion slump in its profits compared with last

:20:56.:20:58.

year, after selling 300,000 fewer It would be their first fall

:20:59.:21:01.

in takings since the iPhone first The tennis is just fabulous, isn't

:21:02.:21:05.

it? Britain have two Grand Slam singles

:21:06.:21:17.

semi-finalists for the first time since 1977 after victories

:21:18.:21:20.

for Johanna Konta and Andy Murray Konta continued her remarkable run

:21:21.:21:22.

with a straight sets win over China's Zhang Shuai to reach

:21:23.:21:28.

the last four and set up a clash That will be in the early hours of

:21:29.:21:31.

Thursday morning. Murray saw off Spain's David Ferrer

:21:32.:21:39.

in four sets to reach his sixth The second seed will play

:21:40.:21:42.

Gael Monfils or Milos Raonic And after just a few months

:21:43.:21:48.

in charge Jurgen Klopp has Joe Allen scored the winning penalty

:21:49.:21:52.

in a shootout against Stoke City at Anfield to reach

:21:53.:21:57.

the Capital One Cup final. Changes to state pensions mean many

:21:58.:22:04.

women in their late 50s say they are having to put

:22:05.:22:10.

their retirement plans on hold. By 2020, both men and women

:22:11.:22:13.

will have to wait until 66 before But because women have

:22:14.:22:16.

until recently received the money at 60, the changes for them

:22:17.:22:22.

are being accelerated. James Longman has been

:22:23.:22:24.

looking into the issue. The state pension is a weekly

:22:25.:22:29.

instalment of money given to you in later life

:22:30.:22:32.

that was taken out of your salary There are big changes to how much

:22:33.:22:35.

you get and when you get it. For many years, men and women

:22:36.:22:40.

were paid at different ages - Now, both men and women

:22:41.:22:46.

will get their state pension at 66. This is all about matching the ages

:22:47.:22:53.

for the men and women and extending The changes started in 2010

:22:54.:22:56.

and will continue until October 2020, when the process

:22:57.:23:01.

ends and men and women But as you can see, the problem

:23:02.:23:04.

here is that women have more years And because in 2010 the government

:23:05.:23:11.

decided to speed up this process, the age women get their state

:23:12.:23:15.

pension actually goes up Today, a woman must

:23:16.:23:17.

be 62 years and 11 months to be entitled

:23:18.:23:23.

to a state pension. In November, she would need to be 63

:23:24.:23:26.

years and six months. 500,000 women between the ages of 56

:23:27.:23:30.

and 57 will have to wait more than a year longer than they planned

:23:31.:23:33.

before receiving the state pension. On top of all this, campaigners say

:23:34.:23:38.

thousands of women did not know about the change in the first place,

:23:39.:23:45.

which means women in their late 50s expecting to retire at 60 have had

:23:46.:23:48.

to drastically change their plans. Many of them could have

:23:49.:23:51.

to go back to work. And that's about how many years

:23:52.:23:54.

you need to work for before On the old scheme,

:23:55.:23:58.

you needed to have worked 30 years to pay

:23:59.:24:02.

into the National Insurance pot and contribute

:24:03.:24:05.

to your state pension. But many older women

:24:06.:24:06.

may have only just got 30 years they

:24:07.:24:12.

thought they needed. Now, they will need to find a way

:24:13.:24:13.

of getting five more, which could include

:24:14.:24:16.

working an extra five You have always been able to pay

:24:17.:24:18.

for what are called voluntary contributions to your

:24:19.:24:23.

National Insurance. That system will continue,

:24:24.:24:24.

but campaigners say it is too expensive and it is not fair

:24:25.:24:30.

for women in this position. Because the state pension used

:24:31.:24:33.

to be worked out around how much you earned,

:24:34.:24:39.

women and lower earners But if you earned a lot,

:24:40.:24:41.

you could top it up. Now, depending on how

:24:42.:24:50.

long you've worked and your personal circumstances,

:24:51.:24:54.

the maximum will be ?155.56. So lower earners should

:24:55.:24:59.

see an increase. So in the long run, the new state

:25:00.:25:01.

pension should help women. But in the short-term,

:25:02.:25:03.

the age increase, the speed at which it is being

:25:04.:25:07.

changed and the number of years you need to work before

:25:08.:25:10.

you get your state pension are all things that are hitting

:25:11.:25:12.

women harder than men. Because the population

:25:13.:25:15.

keeps getting older, the state pension age

:25:16.:25:21.

will keep going up. So if you are like me

:25:22.:25:23.

and working in your 20s, we won't be getting our

:25:24.:25:26.

state pension until we A minister from the Department

:25:27.:25:28.

for Work and Pensions was unavailable to appear

:25:29.:25:35.

for interview, but a spokesperson "Equalising State Pension age

:25:36.:25:38.

for men and women rights a longstanding inequality and helps

:25:39.:25:45.

ensure that the State Pension remains affordable

:25:46.:25:48.

for future generations. Women retiring today can

:25:49.:25:49.

still expect to receive the State Pension for longer

:25:50.:25:52.

than men - for 26 years Well now we're joined now on Skype

:25:53.:25:55.

by Marie Hall and Amanda Harrison, who say they have both been

:25:56.:26:01.

adversely affected by the changes. And here to discuss how small

:26:02.:26:03.

businesses might be affected by upcoming pensions changes

:26:04.:26:06.

are Labour MP and head of the Public Accounts

:26:07.:26:08.

Committee Meg Hillier. Thank you for joining us. Right,

:26:09.:26:21.

tell us first of all, you just turned 60, tell us how the pension

:26:22.:26:26.

changes are affecting you. Well, initially, I was made redundant at

:26:27.:26:30.

56. Not knowing that my pension age was not going to be 60. Sadly, I

:26:31.:26:36.

have not been able to have children, so I had put 40 years of work in and

:26:37.:26:42.

talk that time to have the break, to travel. I realise now I made a

:26:43.:26:47.

detrimental decision to myself. I have still not had any notification

:26:48.:26:54.

of the changes. I currently have no income, I am living off my husband's

:26:55.:27:00.

pension, I am now dependent on him. I feel very betrayed, very let down

:27:01.:27:10.

by my country. I feel that my national insurance is individual,

:27:11.:27:13.

and I deserved an individual notification of this change. The

:27:14.:27:18.

timely manner in which it was done has taken away any chance to do

:27:19.:27:24.

anything about affordable retirement. You say you had no

:27:25.:27:28.

notification of the changes, when were you first aware that you would

:27:29.:27:32.

not be able to get a pension when you can 60? Around 57, something

:27:33.:27:39.

like that, from friends, colleagues. The ones that were initially going

:27:40.:27:44.

to be staggered in at 62 and 63, almost a little bit of a smile that

:27:45.:27:48.

I would not be. I was totally shocked. Initially, I thought was a

:27:49.:27:53.

joke. I have received no notification whatsoever, to this

:27:54.:27:57.

day. When will you get your pension? 2021. It should have been in

:27:58.:28:06.

December. How old will you be when you get your pension? 66. I was 60

:28:07.:28:12.

in December, born in December 19 55. My pension now will be 2021. Amanda

:28:13.:28:22.

Harrison, you are 59, when were you aware that you would not get your

:28:23.:28:27.

pension when you turned 60? I haven't actually been told or have

:28:28.:28:31.

any notification, but I am a carer for my disabled husband. So you have

:28:32.:28:37.

not had any official notification? How did you become aware of the

:28:38.:28:44.

issue? Over the internet, and in the newspapers. How do you feel about

:28:45.:28:50.

it? I feel very betrayed, very let down. As I am a carer, we have a

:28:51.:28:56.

little annex on the side of our property. That is our source of

:28:57.:29:03.

income. The interim is very, very tight. We have both got arthritis.

:29:04.:29:11.

As the breadwinner, I will have to try to survive for as long as

:29:12.:29:17.

possible. Let's bring in Meg Hillier, Labour MP and head of the

:29:18.:29:20.

Public Accounts Committee. I know you have been looking at other

:29:21.:29:23.

issues, not specifically this, but do you have sympathy for women like

:29:24.:29:28.

this and many others? Absolutely, if I can reassure them and others,

:29:29.:29:32.

there is a Head Of Steam waking up on this in Parliament because there

:29:33.:29:37.

is a group of women that fall off the cliff edge, a group of women

:29:38.:29:41.

born in the 50s that are particularly badly hit. There was a

:29:42.:29:43.

lot of pressure on the government. If they will move, we will wait and

:29:44.:29:48.

see. It's shocking to hear that people have not had official

:29:49.:29:51.

notification, this is legislation that changed in 1994. Neither of

:29:52.:29:56.

these women say they have had any formal notification. Others say they

:29:57.:30:00.

have just had a very recently? Absolutely, that is something we are

:30:01.:30:03.

pushing in the committee. We have people in front of us running these

:30:04.:30:08.

big systems, explaining that the ordinary person on the front line

:30:09.:30:11.

needs to know, whoever it may be. There is a real concern that a

:30:12.:30:14.

decision was made that seemed a rational one in the 90s, but people

:30:15.:30:19.

needed to know then. The letters of notification should have gone out

:30:20.:30:21.

when people were in their 30s and 40s so they had time to prepare.

:30:22.:30:25.

It's very difficult to adjust, as we have heard, when you are in your mid

:30:26.:30:26.

to late 50s. There is this debate on Monday. Is

:30:27.:30:36.

it something you would think committees might start to look into?

:30:37.:30:41.

It is certainly likely a Select Committee needs to look into this.

:30:42.:30:47.

The government has to find a way to fund it and it comes alongside other

:30:48.:30:51.

changes with pensions. The one we have looked at his auto enrolment.

:30:52.:30:59.

Some of the women still working will now have to contribute to a private

:31:00.:31:02.

pension through their employer. Explain about that. The issue of

:31:03.:31:08.

pensions is confusing. All of these changes coming at once. Auto

:31:09.:31:11.

enrolment, affecting some of the same people? It happens. 58,000

:31:12.:31:19.

companies have had to do that. Now small businesses will have two and

:31:20.:31:24.

roll staff into pensions, contribute, get people to

:31:25.:31:28.

contribute. 2% is the contribution level and it will go up to 5% and

:31:29.:31:35.

eventually 8%. We are concerned that women in part-time jobs, in several

:31:36.:31:39.

jobs, moving jobs often, will have a lot of small pension pots. We have

:31:40.:31:42.

challenged the government to look at how that will match up. The fees of

:31:43.:31:49.

managing the pensions can often eat up the benefits of pensions for

:31:50.:31:56.

people on low incomes. The overall agenda on pensions is to equalise

:31:57.:32:00.

the system and that is why the age for state pension is equalise. For

:32:01.:32:09.

state pensions and for private pensions, to ensure people in rather

:32:10.:32:12.

make sure people who were not saving do. Do you think that it is not

:32:13.:32:18.

quite right for it to be completely equalised in all areas? Is it not a

:32:19.:32:25.

level playing field? There are concerns MPs have raised,

:32:26.:32:28.

particularly life expectancy can vary a great deal and for some

:32:29.:32:33.

people working into your 60s, 70s in a hard manual job is a different

:32:34.:32:38.

thing, rather than sitting on a sofa in the BBC! There needs to be

:32:39.:32:42.

serious thought about how long people will get their pension

:32:43.:32:45.

because not all receive their pension for the same length of time.

:32:46.:32:51.

They are complicated factors, but decisions made 20 years ago are

:32:52.:32:55.

having a detrimental impact on a particular group of women now and it

:32:56.:33:00.

needs to be re-examined. Thanks to you and Marie and Amanda. Keep on

:33:01.:33:05.

getting in touch with your thoughts on the state pension age.

:33:06.:33:08.

Schools inspectors in England have been given permission to downgrade

:33:09.:33:10.

schools, if they conclude that the wearing of face veils

:33:11.:33:13.

The consideration applies to both pupils and staff.

:33:14.:33:16.

Sir Michael Wilshaw, the chief inspector of Ofsted,

:33:17.:33:18.

said he wanted to back head teachers who felt under pressure to relax

:33:19.:33:21.

Here's what he said on the issue during a Newsnight

:33:22.:33:25.

The Prime Minister's view that we have got to make

:33:26.:33:33.

sure our liberal values, our liberal western values,

:33:34.:33:38.

are protected, people need to listen to that and the Muslim

:33:39.:33:40.

community need to listen to it as well.

:33:41.:33:42.

We've come a long way in our society to ensure that we have equality

:33:43.:33:48.

for women and they are treated fairly.

:33:49.:33:50.

If it's down to individual organisations,

:33:51.:33:54.

which is what he suggested, to choose to stop Muslim women

:33:55.:33:58.

to wear the veil you would recommend...?

:33:59.:34:00.

Particularly if it is stopping good communication in the class room.

:34:01.:34:09.

And my inspectors say on occasions they go into classrooms

:34:10.:34:14.

where they see there are problems about communication.

:34:15.:34:17.

We can talk more about this with Katie Ivans from the campaign for

:34:18.:34:26.

row real education -- for real education. What do you think about

:34:27.:34:34.

this? I think it is an interesting issue. He has spoken about not

:34:35.:34:46.

giving the women a fair choice, equality, but he has instantly taken

:34:47.:34:51.

it away. We believe that within the classroom it is sufficient to cover

:34:52.:34:57.

your head and so your hair, chin and forehead, and we do not believe you

:34:58.:35:01.

need more than that but at the same time we do not believe in taking

:35:02.:35:05.

away choice from people who do want to cover up. The issue boils down to

:35:06.:35:12.

whether it interferes with learning. The Department for Education said it

:35:13.:35:15.

is right if sales interfere with learning, Ofsted should take action.

:35:16.:35:20.

Do you think a full face veil could interfere with learning? If as the

:35:21.:35:30.

chief of Ofsted you're making that statement, do you have evidence to

:35:31.:35:34.

back it? Where that has restricted learning. I do not think it should,

:35:35.:35:41.

especially if there is tolerance between teachers and students.

:35:42.:35:49.

Katie, should pupils be allowed to wear the veil in schools? I do not

:35:50.:35:53.

think there should be a law to prohibit it. Look how we interact

:35:54.:35:58.

with this lady, with our faces and voices. This is what happens

:35:59.:35:59.

with this lady, with our faces and you teach, if you are teaching a

:36:00.:36:05.

class, you interact. We are interacting now, with the audience

:36:06.:36:09.

now, this is why people watch television. It is quite important. I

:36:10.:36:14.

have had experience of teaching and adult English with the full veil.

:36:15.:36:23.

She was animated and her eyes sparkled. We discussed it and she

:36:24.:36:27.

said she had personal reasons why she wanted to be like this and it

:36:28.:36:32.

was fine but a lot of people do not communicate very much just with

:36:33.:36:35.

their eyes. Will it have an impact on learning? I think it could do. It

:36:36.:36:43.

could impact, I think so. It is an interaction, it is something between

:36:44.:36:47.

the teacher and pupil. It is going on between us now. This is normal

:36:48.:36:53.

and this should not be inhibited. Do you think it hinders interaction? It

:36:54.:36:59.

comes back to if you were to stop students for example wearing what's

:37:00.:37:05.

they would like to wear and the religious covering, would it make

:37:06.:37:12.

them more inclusive? The same for teachers, teachers who are very

:37:13.:37:16.

religious and they feel this is the level of covering they would like,

:37:17.:37:19.

if you take it away, are you simply shunning them out from their place

:37:20.:37:25.

of work? Is that the way to go forward? I think we have a right to

:37:26.:37:29.

dress as we want to and if we want to cover up our faces, fine. Jerome

:37:30.:37:38.

treated to say he did not think they would be allowed to wear balaclavas.

:37:39.:37:43.

Indeed, if they had school uniforms, absolutely not, and there are good

:37:44.:37:47.

reasons why you have school uniform, to not draw too much attention to

:37:48.:37:51.

yourself as an individual. To get them to conform as a certain extent

:37:52.:37:58.

because they need to take part in the lesson and perhaps put parts of

:37:59.:38:02.

their individuality to the back as they interact with what they are

:38:03.:38:06.

being taught. That needs to be the focus. I would not make a law saying

:38:07.:38:11.

you cannot wear a veil, that would be wrong. But if you need to

:38:12.:38:17.

interact with children, maybe you have three girls like that, and you

:38:18.:38:21.

feel you are not getting the response from them, you do not know

:38:22.:38:24.

if you are, it makes it difficult to teach. Just respond to the point

:38:25.:38:35.

made by Twitter about balaclavas. You have two remember the balaclava

:38:36.:38:44.

is not a religious garment. It is like... It is a slippery slope.

:38:45.:38:51.

Saying you cannot cover up your face. That is how France started and

:38:52.:38:57.

now they ban just covering the hair within school. It is a slippery

:38:58.:39:02.

slope. It is important to understand. We understand the

:39:03.:39:09.

reasons for school uniform and this is why we put our children into it

:39:10.:39:13.

every day and send them off and tell them it is for this reason. We are

:39:14.:39:19.

out of time, but thank you very much.

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A mother who delayed her cancer treatment to try to protect her

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unborn baby has been describing her experience

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and the personal challenges she faced.

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Heidi Loughlin discovered she had an aggressive form of breast cancer

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Her daughter, Ally, who was born prematurely, died when she was

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Heidi has been speaking to the BBC's Fiona Lamdin about the choices

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She left is on the Saturday, which was, you know,

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And then three days later I had to go back through the motions

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Heidi, mum to Noah and Tate, was diagnosed with aggressive breast

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cancer while pregnant with their sister.

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But she decided to delay her own life-saving treatment

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When they realised the cancer was spreading, they had to deliver

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She was born, she was amazing, she was

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breathing on her own, we called her Ally Louise.

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She was the most beautiful little girl.

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She was like my beacon of light, because I

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thought, well, I have to start this aggressive treatment.

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While Ally is in neonatal, I will be able to have

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So we would do it together and everything

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And it was, for five days she was absolutely

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Overnight, baby Ally became critically ill with an infection.

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You faced some incredibly difficult dilemmas.

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I don't regret for one second I kept Ally.

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Yes, when I heard I had that, I thought, OK,

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it looks like my cancer has spread.

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But I knew that was the risk I was taking when I decided

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But I don't regret having those days with her.

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There is a good chance it has spread.

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But I knew those risks when I made that decision.

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If Heidi had known her little girl was going to die,

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she would've kept her pregnancy going longer, giving her daughter

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But decreasing the possibility of her own survival.

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I would never know that information but if I had known that,

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What has changed about the way you are living

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each day, how are you living life now, with your boys?

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I am writing a bucket and spade list for myself and the kids.

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All the little trips and bigger trips we kept saying we will do

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when the kids are eight or nine, we will do them now.

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I want the boys to remember me and go, although mum was not

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here for a long time, I have these amazing memories

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For the next two months, Heidi will have intensive

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It's not hard for me to travel to hospital every three months

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What is difficult is the emotional side, the thought that it

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is likely I will get to the point where I have to say goodbye

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Heidi does not know how long she has left.

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While she is here she is determined to raise awareness.

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Already, from reading her blog, two women have been diagnosed.

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It is how you move forward with these horrible

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things that happen in life that define you.

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If I can come out of this and still be fighting,

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that should be able to inspire my children to know that whatever

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is thrown at you, you can make the best

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Ally is with me every step of the way.

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And I want her to be proud of me.

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She is my little girl, she will always be my little girl

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and she is doing this with me, we are

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Thank you for your company today, and for all your messages

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