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with cerebral palsy are calling on the NHS to allow life-altering

surgery that was offered to only one of their children to be made

available to everyone who needs it, rather than a select few.

Emma and Phil's 3-year-old daughter Ava was able

to have an operation that would allow her to walk,

but her brother, Louie, who has the same condition,

was denied the life changing operation.

Emma, Phil and Louie are here with us, while Ava

is at home in Hull with her grandparents, having physiotherapy.

It is great to see you all, thanks coming in. Thanks for having us.

Just explain what has happened, because Ava has had surgery and

Louie has been unable to have it. That is right, we went to our late

-- our local STR surgery, something was being completed as part of a

trial. It was mixed news, because Ava just has diplegia, so her legs

are affected. She got a yes on the NHS, but because Louie's disability

is a little more extensive, he unfortunately got a no. It was quite

difficult for us at that time having received the mixed news. Take us

back to when the twins were born, and how you discover that they had

cerebral palsy. They came at 31 weeks. So really early. Yes, nine

weeks premature, so they went into the neonatal unit straightaway.

Louie was on a machine which hoped him breathe the first five days of

his life. Due to him being on that, he was given a routine ultrasound.

That discovered flares on the brain. They told us that was most likely

caused by the premature birth. Further tests on Ava revealed that

she had the same thing, so our whole world caved in at that point. All we

knew was that Louie's damage was a little more extensive than Ava's,

but to what extent we didn't know. So obviously very difficult, it felt

like we were on a roulette wheel not knowing where we were going to land

the quite a long time. And being new parents as well, obviously it was

very difficult for us, so it took quite some time to get a head around

that. Ended you know much about cerebral palsy before? At the time,

not at all, and it took a long time to get around looking at things

because we were trying to deal with it. There was a really difficult

time for us. One of the good things about finding out so early was that

we had a head start. A lot of children don't get diagnosed until

they are 18 months when they are not hitting their milestones, so we were

lucky that we found out early so we had a head start, so we have had

unbelievable treatment from the NHS, with physiotherapy, occupational

therapy, paediatricians. Lindt Louie's physiotherapist has been

with him since he was three weeks old, at the diagnosis, so he has

such a lovely bond with her and she is amazing. She does above and

beyond a physiotherapist. As everybody does. Yes, yes. What made

things worse, they were still in hospital, so we were having to leave

the hospital every night while they were still in the neonatal unit, so

we didn't have our babies with us. We had been given us this

devastating news, trying to come to terms with that. They did paint a

very black picture, so we almost started a bit of a grieving process

of the life we envisaged with our children. But at the same time, we

still had our children, and we were grateful for that, but at the same

time you are still just trying to get your head around what has been

told to you. So, yes. And how were they developing, because obviously

knowing prior to the situation for most parents, when they only

discover when the developmental milestones aren't fit, you were able

to see it unfold? Yes, with them being very small, they did tell us

that premature babies don't generally hit the milestones anyway,

so that was thrown into the mix as well. In a way, when they did start

doing things, like Louie smiled before Ava, Louie took to the bottle

before Ava did, so things from an early stage looked pretty good. We

are thankful to say that things have not turned out as bad as the

paediatrician told us it may, which in hindsight is a good thing,

because we really celebrate everything they do as they were

growing up. So we are doing really well, yes. We were quite critical, I

think, because anything they weren't doing, it was blown out of

proportion. Louie suffered from acid reflux at three months old. And we

automatically thought he was going to have a problem with feeding, due

to his cerebral palsy. It was just acid reflux, and it was controlled

through medication, but you have always got that in the back of your

head. We used to call it the big dark cloud that followed us around,

unfortunately. Which, to an extent, is likely still there, isn't it? You

just learn to deal with it, I think. Louie has also got epilepsy. He has

had a couple of seizures, one fairly recently, but it is under control.

Under control to a degree, so we just carry on and do we do. We just

try to stay positive all the time. It sounds like you have had fabulous

treatment and support. We have, yes. You've ended discover the

possibilities of this operation with the trial, and Ava had it. What

difference has that made to her? For Ava, it has just been completely

life changing. Prior to her operation, she was getting around,

crawling, but also using a little Walker with wheels, and she was

always right on her tiptoes, literally on the cause of photos,

knees together, legs out on the knuckles of Heurtaux is, but

straight after the -- the knuckles of her toes. Then after the

operation, we have never seen her legs move like that. It was

incredible. For five days post-bop, we stood her up for the first time

and her feet were flat on the floor. It was just incredible. We can't say

how much we were over the moon by it. -- post operation. And so now

you on the same for Louie. Yes, absolutely. It has made us more

determined, seeing the instant progress of Ava. There she is. Such

a difference. You said that he didn't effectively qualify for the

NHS trial, because his muscle paralysis is worse than Ava's. Yes,

his grade of cerebral palsy is worse than Ava cosmic. This trial is to

demonstrate the biggest improvement in children so that the NHS Trust in

England can make an assessment on whether this is going to be

available long-term, based on what we would say is the best cases for

the most improvement. For now you are in the situation you are in, and

you have raised money to take him to the States. Yes, when we got a no

from Leeds, we sent our case over to Saint Louis in America, where the

centre is for SDR. Dr parked there has done I believe over 2500

operations, and he actually trained the NHS neurosurgeons to do the

trials. So we sent that income and in early December we got a letter

back saying that they believed Louie would be an excellent candidate for

the surgery, which we are absolutely over the moon with, so that is when

the fundraising began. We had Ava going to the hospital in January the

her surgery, but things have gone unbelievable for us, we have got

unbelievable exposure. You have had similar challenges, dealing with

that and then fundraising for him to be able to get the treatment. It

must be all consuming? We spent a month in Leeds with Ava, do you want

to take? Yes. And we started the fundraising campaign for Louie, and

we were away from him when we were in hospital with Ava. But they have

had physiotherapy from three weeks old, the interventions have always

been there, so we're kind of used to it, aren't we, I suppose? We just

get on with it. When we think back and think of what we do everyday,

and what we have done with the fundraising, it is just incredible.

Yes, but we have amazing family and friends network of support. So when

are you hoping he will go for the surgery? As soon as we got home,

couple of days ago, we contacted Dr Parks in America and we are now on

the waiting list. He is the leading surgeon for this, so there's a huge

waiting list, over a year long. Oh gosh, when might you be able to be

ripped in, then? January. And it is best done before the fourth

birthday, isn't it? Yes, they do say that, but with Louie, his cerebral

palsy being a bit more extensive, we have a few other things to try, that

will give us the opportunity to get Ava through her rehab as well.

Things have sort of panned out, the sooner the better really, but things

have worked out with Ava. And there are other things we can try with

Louie. We have been looking at the pictures with Ava, she is out of the

wheelchair, walking with sticks, are you hoping that she will ultimately

be put walk pretty normally? We don't like to say that but that is

our ultimate hope, and everything is looking fantastic. She is on to her

little sticks now, and we are only six or seven weeks after the

operation, so she was doing fantastically well. She has

progressed in the last seven weeks more so than the last years. Her

achievement every week is incredible so who knows where we will be in the

next seven weeks? How is Louie when he looks at his sister? Yes, he is

noticing. There has always been that difference there, but she is really

pulling away now. There isn't a day that goes by that Louie says can I

walk, can I go on my knees, like Ava? Even in the playground, all the

other boys are playing football, and is Louie as there is wheelchair. So

for us, it is heartbreaking. You are in such an unusual situation, having

the twins at having the two different experiences, but you are

hoping you can get the message that this treatment will be made more

widely available? I think also when there is that option of going to

America, and as daunting as it is, we have done it with twins, where

Louie thankfully got the support the funds where we can take to America,

and is achievable. The NHS have been there for us since the beginning. We

are absolutely thankful of that, but this operation needs rolling out.

Because it does change lives, it really does. We have seen it with

Ava. Other families have been in touch with us. Their children are

similar to Ava, but now the funding has stopped on the trial, so they

are having to self fund to get where they need to be. If anything, we

want this, for the right child, not for everybody, but for the right

child we would love to see this surgery readily available on the

NHS. Yes. I would just like to say as well have it has been in the

papers about the Variety children's charity stepping in. Last Sunday, we

were over here and we got a call that the Variety charity were going

to make up the funds for us for our stint in America, which has just

been absolutely fantastic. So we can't be any more thankful for that,

we are just completely overwhelmed. As well as everybody who has

devoted, it has just been incredible. We have still got

ongoing fundraising events, because what we are going to need to do is

self fund physiotherapy when we get back from America. Because you are

having the operation done privately so you don't qualify for the NHS.

Not to the extent of what we will need. Yes, basically Ava for three

times a week the six months will have physio at our local hospital in

Hull. We believe the NHS won't offer that for Louie if we go abroad, so

there will be a lot of ongoing costs, that is why we are carrying

on our fundraising. Friends and family have been incredible, at

organising fund-raising events, and we could not have done it without

them. They dedicated their whole year to us, other support is

incredible, it is just breathtaking. As well as when we win the paper on

Saturday, watching the funds coming up, and lovely messages from

everyone. We were on five live, it has just been a complete whirlwind

for us this last week, so we are completely and utterly over the

moon. And it is just nice hearing from families in the same situation,

maybe just one child affected. But it is nice to talk to them. You get

inspired by them and them from us. A lotta people have been getting in

touch. Emily has said, it is disgusting what has happened to the

family, sorry, only one of your children is eligible for surgery.

Hopefully that little boy will get his operation to walk like his twin

sister. You deserve all the support you can.

We'll be talking live to personal finance guru Martin Lewis

about the number of people in debt who also have a mental health

problem - and how he's hoping to help them.

There's a warning of a looming shortage of accommodation in the UK

for asylum seekers - we'll have the details.

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will stop routing the proceeds of sales for its largest,

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The new changes will be put in place in April and Facebook's first,

higher tax bill, will be paid in 2017.

Northern Ireland's First Minister Arlene Foster has described

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The officer has been taken to hospital after a device

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British scientists say they've discovered a way to guide the immune

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The team suggests the method could be used to find unique features in a

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Iain Duncan-Smith, has launched his strongest attack yet

on those campaigning for the UK to stay in the European Union,

suggesting their smears and threats could cause lasting

damage to the Government. He's stopped short of any direct

criticism of David Cameron, but he says the integrity of those

making such claims could be undermined in the eyes

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the country's nuclear weapons The state news agency in Pyongyang

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to allow extra time for journeys because of icy conditions

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world title for her at the world track cycling Championships? She is

only 23 and said she was not feeling very good for the scratch race last

night. She chased down a pack to win the world title. Also a medal for

Sir Bradley Wiggins and his men's team pursuit team. They won silver,

narrowly pipped by Australia. Britain's cyclists looking in

brilliant form ahead of the Olympics. We will also be heading

outside in Salford, where it is snowing, to the five aside pitch

which has been set up. Alan Shearer and Robbie Savage up playing 57

hours of five a side that book. That is how many hours a Premier League

team plays in a season. All raising money. Really. We'll see how they

are going 24 hours in. Also the latest from the cup where England

women are playing football against America. In the Davis Cup, Great

Britain is defending its title. They kick off against Japan. Andy Murray

gets things under way. A big name for the home crowd to get behind.

See you later. It's thought that half

of all British adults with a debt problem have a mental

health condition. So, just how far does

the relationship between mental Martin Lewis, the money advice

expert, is launching a charity today to research the issue -

one idea is to get credit card providers to freeze accounts

of customers with mental health issues if there are unusual

spending patterns. The customer

would sign up voluntarily - would have the power to unlock

the account when the Also here is Dominic,

a business owner who finds it hard staying

on top of the finances due Thank you both for coming in. Martin

Metellus first of all about what you are concerned about in particular.

-- Martin, first of all. If you have a mental health condition or your

partner does you are five times more likely to be in debt crisis than

anyone else was if you have clinical depression and financial issues, the

treatment path is 18 months longer than people without the issues. The

stress and anxiety makes treatment more difficult. The cost of the NHS

of that is huge. We know having mental health problems can easily

cause debts. If I broke my leg today I would be in hospital tonight. I

might need a couple of weeks off work. I'm still capable of making

good decisions. If I had a mental health breakdown today, it would be

ten weeks before I got a treatment or appointment. In the meantime, my

decision making is impaired. That is one decision that people with mental

health problems struggle with. I might not tell my employer or go --

and I might go on a spending spree. Another ten weeks before the

treatment gets me anywhere. After that period, it is not just that my

finances are ruined in the short term, that can be ten, 20 years of

detriment. We know the huge anxiety that comes from serious debts also

is a trigger for clinical mental health conditions. This is a

marriage made in how and to feed off each other. What is not happen

before is genuine preventative work saying, what can we put in place as

blockers to enable people when they are feeling right and when they are

in control of themselves to help control themselves when they are out

of control? We have lots of system setup but very little setup to help

you protect yourself and we want to use similar tools to be able -- be

able for people to use. It is to stop people splurging when they are

not thinking straight. This is day one of this institute. It is about

coming up with research and ideas. Those are the easiest concepts to

explain. It is such a complex picture. In the States, you can put

the credit freeze on your account. It means you cannot get any new

credit, you cannot do any new borrowing for eight weeks. If you

are having a bipolar hypomania phase, where you think you rule the

world and want to set up a business you think will be the next Google,

at the moment there is nothing to stop you doing. If you put a lock on

your credit account when you are not in that phase, there is a pause. You

cannot unlock it or do anything, you will have to wait. Hopefully by then

your mental health status will change it is those techniques we

want to look at and then lobbied to get them in place. He said you had

mental health issues playing into debt issues. Both of them coming

into play for you. What have you experienced is being? As for mental

health, I am probably in the middle ground. I do not suffer extremes of

anything. I take the medication kind of to level things out. But, when

you are in business yourself, you do all of the roles in business. It is

not just turning up at work knowing there is someone on reception,

someone doing accounts, book-keeping, giving out orders or

anything. If you are on your own can you do all of it. Huge pressure?

Then you have labourers and things they want paying as you go along. It

is trying to keep the balance constantly on that was if you have

an off day, you do not want to go and do something. I cannot phone in

sick, I cannot turn around and say I want more money this week because I

need more money because I'm going to have a couple of days off or

anything. How do you feel when all of that gets on top of you? It makes

you shut off. You want to sit and watch the TV all day. You kind of

want to get away from it also get some respite from it. -- from it

all, so you get respite. What about things like the credit freeze? Would

that be of help for you? It sounds like a good idea. It is about how

exactly it would work in my scenario. If someone were to tummy I

could not have my money, it might end badly for them. -- were to tell

me. What about if it was from you? Does it offer the respite from

problems? There are an enormous number of people with mental health

conditions. Many say this is exactly what they want. Some of them say, I

would not touch it with a barge pole. We're not trying to offer a

one-stop shop. There are many things out there. It is sounding like this

is not one for you. I have not tried it. It is possible. At the moment, I

cannot see it would work. What you must remember is we are talking a

number of different causalities. You are not bipolar. You do not go

through Mania phases of spending. That is a massive issue you have

where you are out of control and it is not your issue. This is not

one-stop shop. There are many other things out there. When we talk to

clinicians about this and we say, we want to talk to about money, this is

what we are faced with. One reason I started this a decade ago, I met a

friend of a friend at a party. I love the website. I am a mental

health case worker. Of my work is dealing with their finances. I spend

my time doing that. I will be honest with you. Today we are launching

this money and mental health policy Institute. We have some amazing

brains. This is day one. It is difficult for me to give the Bulls

allusions. We want our wonderful ideas. -- be full solutions. From

the Minister for mental health to the Lib Dem spokesperson, the head

of the Number 10 policy unit on our trustees, a former is running it.

Day one brings everyone together to come up with clever ideas. I am just

one chap. It is a big resource policy Institute to take this

forward. People with mental health issues who had money issues, we want

their ideas as well. Everybody would probably say, everyone feels stress

about money and handling it and not wanting to open bills sometimes.

Have you ever experienced any of these concerns? I am very lucky I am

affluent. I have had periods of extreme stress, dark days, when I

have struggled to get out of bed. I do not have a clinical mental health

condition and I'm not underestimating how difficult it can

be at those times. Thank heavens I do not have an hourly rate job! It

was on one of those days I vowed I was going to do this. I thought, I

am so lucky not to be in that position, to exacerbate everything

going on my head is not working as well as it should be today, I do not

have other stress is going on top. There is a real understanding from

me of what go one. Curative, it has been very good. This is an issue. We

have not called this the mental illness and debt Institute, we have

called it mental health and money. If you are suffering grief, it is

not a mental illness but it impacts on mental health. You talked before

about the idea of spotting unusual patterns on your credit card which

would go to a nominated trusted friend who would decide whether to

unlock it or not. There is no such thing as a trusted friend in law.

The last person you would want to do it is your spouse. Imagine someone

who does not like you very much because they will not do what you

would want them to do in those types of positions. What we would like

this to be as credit card companies to call this a high control option,

so anybody could opt in. My dream, in ten years' time, you call your

bank and you say, you're going to go abroad, is this credit card right?

You say, I have clinical depression or bipolar and they say, we have a

number of different control mechanisms that can help you to do

that and we make it normal. One in four people every year have a mental

health condition. You are not special, this is normal. I wrote my

first guide to mental health and debt eight years ago. My line was

saying I'm going to treat this like any other financial issue. Now it is

about getting out of problems once you are in them. We have to break

the link. Lots of people getting in touch,

Rachel has tweeted great that Martin Lewis is highlighting this issue.

Paul has tweeted thanks for this, he is 100% right. An anonymous person

has tweeted saying I have been unable to be employed for 18 months.

My condition is not recognised as a disability or illness and I have no

income. I am being supported by my partner at the moment but the

overall impact is horrendous and desperate, I currently have no

future hope and have to leave -- live one day at a time. It is worth

talking to agencies like citizens advice for one-on-one, step change,

national debt line, and Christians against poverty are very good for

counselling. Mind and Rethink, the mental health charities. Look at

money too, we are a policy Institute. There are agencies out

there to help you. Thank you for coming in.

One of the Cabinet's leading eurosceptics,

Iain Duncan-Smith, has stepped up his attack on the campaign

The Work and Pensions Secretary suggested the way it was being

conducted could do lasting damage to the government.

Our Political Correspondent Chris Mason is at Westminster.

So, Chris, what is the latest? Well, here we go from the latest round of

battling from both sides in this EU referendum campaign. We are only a

fortnight into the official running, the best part of four months to go.

This is the article from Iain Duncan Smith, the Work and Pensions

Secretary, time to halt the smear, spin and threats, he says there has

been highly questionable posse is from the in campaign, the remain

campaign, threatening almost biblical consequences if we dare to

consider a future outside of the European Union. His suggestion is

those making the argument to stay have been bullying voters into

agreeing with them and voting to stay. Threatening them with all

sorts of apocalyptic pictures of what life would look like on the

outside. It is fair to say there have been quite a fewer apocalyptic

headlines on both sides of the argument in the last couple of

weeks, because Iain Duncan Smith himself in an interview with Laura

Kuenssberg about ten days ago, said the UK would be at greater risk of a

terror attack if it were to stay in the European Union. So, yes, who

says negative campaigning doesn't work? I think both sides recognise

that it probably does, so both indulging in a spot of slapping each

other off as well as making the positive case that either staying

leaving. Thank you very much. criticism over the biopic

of the singer Nina Simone. Some are unhappy at the actress

wearing an afro wig We'll speak exclusively

to Nina's daughter. There have been heated exchanges

during the latest televised debate between the four main US Republican

presidential hopefuls. It was dominated by attacks

on the front-runner, Let's take a closer look

at what used to be a happy relationship between Mitt Romney

and Mr Trump. The former friends are now

going through a very bitter - Mitt is tough, he is smart, he is

sharp, it is my honour to indoor smit Romney. -- Mitt Romney. If

Donald Trump 's Mac plans were ever in plummeted, the country would sink

into prolonged recession. But you say wait, wait, wait, isn't he a

huge business success, what ever happened to trump airlines, Trump

University, Trump vodka, Trump Magazine, Trump stakes. A business

genius he is not. I have made so much more money than Mitt.

Dishonesty is Donald Trump's,. He spoke in favour of invading Iraq. He

said he saw thousands of muslins in New Jersey celebrating 9/11. Wrong,

he saw no such thing, he imagined it. His imagination Matt Dass must

not be married to real power. Think of Donald Trump's personal

qualities, bullying, greed, showing off, the absurd third-grade

theatrics. It is Rubio! We have long referred to him as the Donald, he is

the only person in the entire country that we have added an

article before his name. He was begging for my endorsement. He is

playing the American public for suckers, he gets a free ride to the

White House. More coverage of the US presidential campaigns on the

website. The Home Office has been warned

about a looming shortage of accommodation in the UK

for asylum seekers. Ministers have been told more must

be done to encourage local authorities to provide housing

because of an increase in the number of applicants, and the

Government's commitment There's also been criticising

of the so-called "red door" policy against asylum seekers

in some areas. Tim Loughton MP is a member

of the Home Affairs committee - the group of MPs who have made this

warning and we're also joined by Robina Qureshi, the Director

of Positive Action in Housing. What are your main concerns? The

Home Affairs Select Committee has produced this report, and there were

a number of criticisms that we have made. Clearly the pressure on people

coming here claiming asylum continues. It is up by some 19% in

the last year. There are serious concerns about the way that some of

the applicants are being dispersed around the UK. Particularly

pressures on cities like Middlesbrough, which appears to have

more than its fair share of asylum applicants. And of course it is

there where the note aureus red door policy happened, where the

accommodation of those asylum seekers were all painted with red

doors, which is certainly stigmatising and pretty crass. There

is another example of another of the companies responsible for asylum

seekers issuing coloured wristbands to those people who qualified for

free meals and things like that. Again, deeply stigmatising and crass

and not the way to look after the honourable people in many cases. So

we have been very critical of the way that the contracts have been run

by some of the companies providing accommodation for asylum seekers,

and the shortage of accommodation and the way the impact of the burden

is falling disproportionately on certain parts of the country, and

that needs to be sorted out by the Home Office. What impact do you

think those two issues are having on perception of asylum seekers and

relations within communities? This is a very sensitive situation. We

are stepping up to the plate, we are taking a lot of asylum seekers.

There were just over 29,000 in the last year, and we are giving safe

haven to many people fleeing from their lives from dangerous

countries, and that includes Syria. And obviously we have a particular

duty there, but it needs to be done sustainably. We need to have a duty

of care to these people, to be able to accommodate them in decent

accommodation, we need to be about to process the applications as

quickly as possible to see if they do have a right to be here and if

they are not, they need to be returned to their country of origin

as soon as possible. We have a great tradition of being accommodating and

welcoming to those in danger and we should not abuse that. At the

moment, it is pretty disproportionate, and it needs to be

sorted out. The committee has said it is worried about a lack of

accommodation. There are supposed to be a fair dispersal policy, that

community should have no more than one asylum seeker per 200 head of

population. In places like Middlesbrough, that figure seems to

be as tight as one to 137, and clearly Middlesbrough needs to be

given some help to make sure it is not having to take on undue

pressures. So I think the Home Office Sentry has to get a better

handle on this. We need to make sure that more local authorities who are

able to offer accommodation and safe haven for asylum seekers step up to

the plate. Why isn't it happening? Are they being resistant or are they

just not being tapped for accommodation support? It is a

combination of things. Where accommodation is available, the

price, not surprisingly there are far fewer asylum seekers in the far

south-east of England, in constituencies like my own, although

we have taken a number, so there is a cost issue. But I do think there

are some local authorities could be doing more and doing better. And

there is also the whole issue of accommodating the Syrian asylum

seekers, who the government have said we are going to take 20,000

over the course of this Parliament. Many people came forward wanting to

help out, to offer support for these families. We think the government

could be tapping into those offers rather better. That it needs to be

sustainable. It is a big ask for people to offer rooms in the houses

of people, but if they are working in collaboration with local church

groups and other voluntary groups, then perhaps it is doable. It would

free up some accommodation that is otherwise not available on the open

market. Let us know your thoughts on that.

The Home Office told us they work closely with providers to improve

property standards over the lifetime of the Compass contract.

They went on to say that when a contractor is found to be

falling short, they work with them to ensure issues

And if those issues are not addressed, they say they can

We've contacted the three companies who make up the Compass contract -

The company told us that having just over half of 300 doors on its asylum

homes in Middlesbrough painted one colour is too high.

They also promised to consider the committee's recommendations

and ensure that their properties continue to meet the Home Office's

Scientists say they have found what they're calling

We'll find out what that means for future treatment.

Just wanted to bring you some more comments on the parents who spoke to

just a short while ago. Their twins Ava and Louie, both with cerebral

palsy, Ava has had life changing treatment on the NHS. They have had

to fund for Louie to get private treatment in the United States. This

tweaks is the very best of luck to you both and your children. Leslie

has e-mailed to say my grandson has severe cerebral palsy, his mum and

dad have a constant battle to get anything. As if life isn't tough

enough. Whatever these children need should be a given. Tweet from Jack,

CP is hard work everyone, keep strong, physio is very helpful. I am

in a bad patch at the moment. It is my mum who got me walking. Tweet

from LJ, this is shocking, even more so that the siblings are twins, they

have clearly valued one twin over the other. Tweet here, enjoy your

feature on the cerebral palsy twins, as a scientist found it medically

and ethically insightful. Just to say the reason that Louie didn't get

the treatment on the NHS was because his cerebral palsy is more severe

than his sister's, and there was strict criteria for that NHS trial.

Thank you so much for getting in touch with us. Keep your thoughts

coming in. Carol has the details for the power

things looking? Some of us had some snow this morning. Across Leeds,

Bradford, around the airport area, 11 centimetres of snow. Parts of

Cumbria have had three centimetres, Northern Ireland three centimetres

as well. Some beautiful pictures once again sent in by our Weather

Watchers. Look at this one. The different across the weather is

quite beautiful. But not all of us had snow this morning, look at this.

It has been wet, but in Suffolk, blue skies. Again, many of us having

blue skies today. So I will get on with it and show you where they are.

This morning it is largely in the south we have seen blue skies but we

still have some snow and risk of ice today across northern England, the

Midlands and Wales. As we go through the day, the snow risk will start to

diminish at lower levels. You can see this arc of rain, sleet and snow

across Northern Ireland fringing down into Wales as we go through the

day full stop at the wind picks up and temperature 's rise, the snow

level will also rise. It will be more of a hill feature than

low-level feature, though in some of the heavy bursts you could see some

of it. Across northern England into the afternoon, still some rain,

sleet and snow but as we come south, some showers, bit more clout

developing and that front. From East Anglia, Essex, Kent, all the way to

East Anglia, a largely dry picture with some sunshine. If you showers

scattered, some of those could have a wintry element but mostly the

wintry element will be sleet. As we move back into Wales, again the

weather front curling down into Wales, producing some rain, sleet

and snow. Mostly hill snow. For Northern Ireland, after your snow

this morning, three centimetres in County Armagh, it is an improving

picture and there will be some sunshine. For Scotland, sunshine and

showers, but some of the sunshine -- showers will be wintry at height.

Through the afternoon, the weather system slowly slips southwards.

Behind it, there will be some clear skies. It will be cold, still

someone true showers in the north and east and a risk of ice. If you

are travelling tomorrow morning, and that in mind. It will be cold,

frosty, a risk of ice. We still have this line of rain, sleet and mostly

hill snow, pushing slowly down to the south-east. Behind it, some

wintry showers across the north of the country. What you will notice

tomorrow is a keen wind coming from the north and north-east. Although

you're seeing the mergers between four and eight, it will feel cold

because of the wind. As we had on from Saturday into Sunday, the

low-pressure producing all of this weather we have at the moment is

going to move off into the near continent. Then we have a transient

ridge of high pressure building in, settling things down. The winds will

be much lighter. Late in the day, the next weather front comes our

way, introducing some rain. To put pictures on that, we have remnants

of rain clearing away early on. There will be a hang back of cloud

in the south-east. On Sunday, a lot of dry weather that there will also

be some sunny spells as well. The winds falling lighter, so when feel

as cold, even though the damages are no great shakes. Only about two to

five in the north, and then later the next front comes in with the

rain from the West. Facebook says it'll increase

the amount of tax it pays on its profits in Britain,

after being accused of avoidance. The company will stop

routing the proceeds And critics hit out at the biopic

of the singer Nina Simone. They're unhappy that the actresses

skin is darkened skin. We'll speak exclusively

to Nina's daughter. Facebook is to pay millions

of pounds more tax in the UK. The company, which has faced heavy

criticism that it was avoiding tax, will stop routing the proceeds

of sales for its largest such as Unilever, Tesco

and Sainsbury's, through Ireland. The new changes will be put in place

in April and Facebook's first higher tax bill will

be paid in 2017. Northern Ireland's First Minister

Arlene Foster has described an attack on a prison officer

in East Belfast this morning The officer is said to be

in a serious condition after a device exploded under

a vehicle in the British Scientists have made

a discovery which they hope could improve the way

cancer is treated. Researchers have identified proteins

in tumour cells which allow the immune system to

target the disease. They believe they'll be able

to develop tailored treatments. The Work and Pensions Secretary,

Ian Duncan-Smith says the Government could suffer lasting damage

from the EU referendum. He says those campaigning to stay

in the EU are making "desperate and unsubstantiated" claims and risk

harming their integrity. The North Korean leader,

Kim Jong-un, has ordered his military to be ready to fire

the country's nuclear weapons The state news agency in Pyongyang

said he had also directed that North Korea's be capable

of launching a pre-emptive strike. The remarks follow new United

Nations sanctions in response to a nuclear test and rocket launch

in January. Scientists in America believe

an advanced vaccine for the zika virus could be ready for human

trials by August or September. The work on a Zika drug

is focused on pregnant women. It's thought the virus,

spread by mosquitoes, is linked to babies being born

with abnormally small heads The north of England has been

blanketed with snow, with as much as 10 centimetres

reported on high ground. Schools have been closed

and flights have been delayed. The Met Office is warning motorists

to allow extra time for journeys because of icy conditions

on the roads. Let's catch up with

all the sport now. Catherine is inside with all the

snow in Salford. We have come outside to the by the

side battle that is taking place here. It is Alan Shearer against

Robbie Savage. They are playing 57 hours by five aside football to

raise money for sport relief. That is the number of hours a Premier

League team plays during the course of the season. Conditions are

treacherous. Not conditions that Alan Shearer or Robbie Savage will

be used to be playing football in. Adam -- al Shearer just captaining

the match will stop he is doing a 12 hour stint by the book. Robbie

Savage has already done his 12 hours today he will be starting a game

later on. It is this ongoing marathon, all to raise money.

Relief. The conditions are very cold and very slippery underfoot. --

raise money for sport relief. It has not all been snow and cold. Let's

have a look at the highlights over the next 20 -- the last 24 hours.

A chance. Robbie Savage has the first goal. Alan Shearer! 2-2. His

first goal to bring the side level. He hits it. There you go. How would

he himself have described that? I suspect, a stunner. They are back in

front. Scoring with the left boot this time put up that is what we are

more accustomed to see. That was literally manhandled. The goal does

not stand. He is being sent off. A second yellow card. He has sent him

off. A hard task master. Alan Shearer on the ball behind me. He

has just briefly stopped for a sip of warm coffee. It is 273 goals

compared with 242 or Robbie Savage. You can watch it live on the red

button. Laura Trott, what a marvellous

performance. She won the scratch race last night. She said she was

not feeling that good. Watch the chase down of the pack. Afterward

she said she could not believe she had done it.

I am so happy. I was not feeling that good. I'd dug in a little bit

and thought I would let everyone else work. When the Canadian went, I

thought, I will have to chase. It worked out perfectly. When I started

to go, I thought this is early, but then it worked. I am so happy.

That was a real lift for the GB squad, after Sir Bradley Wiggins

and the men's team pursuit foursome had gold snatched away from them

by Australia but he is absolutely convinced they'll come good in Rio.

I would put my house on it. I would say we will win in Rio. I am

confident. I think we well. I just think we will. We have come so far.

Individually, we all look at our efforts individually. Wearing was a

Christmas compared to here, we have come on leaps and bounds. We are

into the summer and we could move on again for Rio. Brilliant staff from

the cyclists and from all the people here with the football.

We lost you a bit but you are going to play at 11:15am. We will look at

and see how you get on. Thank you for joining us this

morning, welcome to the programme if you've just joined us,

we're on BBC 2 and the BBC Earlier we spoke to Martin S. An

e-mail says, I have suffered mental health issues. It is definitely

linked to debt. If I felt damn, I would always spend money. I am on

the other side now after six years of struggling. I can recognise when

I had down days, the urge to spend. I am stronger now to control it but

I could not have done that at that point in my life when I felt so low.

Ian has said, a lot of unscrupulous lenders around. Tim has tweeted to

say, I know someone who suffered mental illness and lost everything

due to massive credit card reliance. Really awful. You can get in touch

in the usual ways. Wherever you are, you can watch the programme online

or via the app. Let's get more on the news

that Facebook is to pay millions of pounds

more in tax in the UK. Our economics editor

Kamal Ahmed is here. Not in the same way as Google has

done but different, isn't it? It is about the future and not the past.

There was a lot of controversy about Google. They announced a ?130

million tax settlement for taxes they were going to pay in the past

or had not paid in the past. This is based that restructuring itself was

not all these beak, global online companies have faced huge

controversies. They are massively profitable and incredibly successful

in the UK. They paid tiny amounts of tax. The Facebook tax bill in 2014

is ?4300 full stop that is less tax than most people pay on their

income. Very controversial. We have revealed this morning that Facebook

will change the way it structures itself. How it works at the moment

is it books those sales through Ireland and Ireland has a lower tax

rates than the UK. It will move the large majority of the advertising

business to London, book it, account for it in London. That changes how

it is taxed in London. That means it will pay corporation tax on far more

of the profits it actually makes in the country. It hopes of course that

it will put behind it some of the controversy that has been created

over the past few years about all of this. It was fearful about the

diverted profits tax, the new tax announced by the governor to few

years ago which meant any business which was found to have contrived

structures, structures deliver the put in place to avoid tax, could

face higher taxes here. -- deliberately put in place. Do you

expect other companies to follow suit? Amazon has already said it

will look at its structures and is reading them put up Google has yet

to change its structures. Now Facebook has moved to do this, the

other big, multinational companies will fill and ever increasing

pressure. Thank you. Sunderland Football Club is under

mounting pressure to explain why Adam Johnson was allowed to continue

to play despite knowing he had The striker was found guilty

on wednesday of one count of sexual After he was charged last April

he made 28 club appearances, collecting 60 thousand

pounds a week. He was sacked after admitting

to some of the charges against him Detective Inspector Aelfwynn

Sampson from Durham police has told the BBC that she met

the club's executives on the day Johnson was first arrested and gave

them details of the case. Detective Inspector,

there was an initial first meeting with Sunderland

football club which you attended and you spoke to Margaret

Byrne and some other people. March 2nd, the day Adam Johnson

was actually arrested. At that time I met with

Margaret Byrne from the club and a couple

of other people, And that time we

disclosed in very broad terms that we had an allegation made

against Adam Johnson At that point he was

under arrest for sexual activity with a child

and that was what was disclosed They were given a little bit more

detail in terms of that he had met the girl and sexual activity had

taken place when they had met been messages exchanged

between the two. But at that point Mr Johnson had

not been interviewed, so there was nothing

further disclosed at At the centre of this

we have a 15-year-old girl who at the time was an avid

Sunderland fan and a massive fan She described him as her idol,

she wants to know why he was allowed Do you think there are

still questions that need The club have issued a statement

and made their position very clear, but there are a number

of fans including our 15-year-old victim,

who want further answers. About why he was allowed

to go on the pitch? So far Sunderland have only issued

one statement about Adam Johnson It was left to manager Sam Allardyce

to face questions from He said it came as a massive

shock when Johnson. Sunderland say they would have

sacked Johnson immediately had club officials known he intended to plead

guilty to two charges. I was aware of for his plea of all

charges to be not guilty. On that basis, he trained and played for the

team if and when I selected him, and I think that just before the trial

started to hear that he had pleaded guilty was a massive shock to

everybody at the football club, which the club took swift and direct

action to dismiss him immediately. So everybody in our dressing room,

and certainly me on what little we knew was shocked from that. Sam

Allardyce was. Let's speak to BBC radio Newcastle reporter Peter

Harris. What have the club said? The key point here is what the club know

when they took that decision to lift the suspension on Adam Johnson? I

have a copy of the club's statement that was put out immediately after

the verdict. The gist of what it says is that Johnson kept telling us

he was not guilty, that he would deny the allegations or the way

along the line. The problem for the club is the suggestion that they

knew specifics. So further to what the police officer has just told us

there, it was suggested in "At Bradford Crown Court that Johnson

admitted to the club that he had kissed the underage girl, but the

Chief Executive Margaret Byrne had side of the WhatsApp messages

between Johnson and the girl, -- had site, and the club had site of the

police interviews that Johnson did with them, that is why this question

keeps coming back, as to what was the club thinking? Was it a wise

decision, was it the right decision to lift the suspension on Johnson,

and allow him to go back out on the pitch. You were on court for the

trial, are you getting anywhere? Not yet know. As you have heard from Sam

Allardyce, he has very little to do with it in many ways. He did not

arrive at the club until six months after this, so that we need from the

club's answers to those specific questions: did you know that he had

kissed the underage child, a fan, who supports the club. Did you know,

have you seen the WhatsApp messages, those are the keys specific that we

need answers to, in helping the fans and everybody else understand what

were they thinking of them when they lifted the suspension and allowed

this guide to wear the red and white shirt every Saturday afternoon. How

our fans reacting? Obviously it is a difficult one, because to many

people the club represents the city and there are those who feel angry

that they have been there, during this guy on, that some of the

specifics were known by the club about the kissing, the messages.

Let's not forget the girl, but we can say what the police officer has

just said, she is a massive Sunderland fan, and her statement

was she has had lots of abuse online, on social media, and how

much harder was it for her then when she felt people weren't believing

her that Adam Johnson is out there on the pitch at the Stadium Of

Light, at the club she loves, and is being treated almost as if nothing

has happened. Think you very much, Peter.

We've been hearing all week from an activist in Syria

who is risking his safety to tell the world what life

inside the so-called Islamic State-controlled

Today we will have his final video diary. First, though,

British scientists say they've discovered a way to guide the immune

system to kill cancers, in what's been described

as an exciting advance in our understanding of the disease.

Writing in the journal, Science, the team suggest that their method

could be used to find unique features within a cancer tumour,

helping the body's own defences to target the diseased cells.

The study is funded by Cancer Research UK -

with me is Doctor Alan Worsley, their Science Information Officer.

we often hear developments described as breakthroughs, how significant do

you think this is? What this research really does is find a way

to put markers on these things that make cancer cells unique from

healthy cells. Demi can use this to guide these treatments, get it to

fight cancer for us. By using these targets and paying attention to the

immune system, can hopefully make these kind of treatment is much more

effective. So if it works it could be a really straightforward way of

treating cancer? At the moment, still lab research, but the

treatments we have got, we have been developing, have already been used.

So some of the possible treatments we have thought about, vaccine work,

taking these cancer killing cells of the body out, expanding them and

putting them back into the patient. All of these different treatments

could be somehow guided by this kind of discovery. So give us the best

case scenario, in two years' time a vaccine? Two years' time, hopefully

we can try clinical trials. We need to take samples and look at them and

apply quite a bit of analysis to find out exactly what markers are

importantly on every single cancer cell and not on healthy cells. So

what they have found is that we can tell the immune system is targeting

these treatments, now we need to know what they are and how to give

the immune system a boost. If it worked in the way you are hoping,

would it be a vaccine? Somebody would just have that and the body

would be left to its own devices? It will depend on every patient, every

individual's cancer is unique, evolves and changes in its own way,

so this is really about ultimately personalised immune treatment. We

need to do a lot of work to find out how well it might work but what we

have really been missing for years and years is a way to guide the

systems. We have been trying vaccines for years, but without much

success. Some encouraging results, but what we have really been lacking

is a targeting system, and this might be the road map to get as

that. Sounds great, potentially. Let's hope so. You will probably

know Victoria is being treated for breast cancer, and we have been

following her treatment through a series of video diaries. We will

have a new diary from her on Monday's programme.

The so-called Islamic State group has used Raqqa in eastern Syria

It tightly controls communications and who can enter and leave meaning

information about what is happening there is hard to verify.

There are groups of activists who smuggle out information

Over the past few months one of those activists from Al-Sharqiya

24 has been keeping a diary for Radio 4's Today programme

which we've been broadcasting all week .

We've asked an actor to voice the words and changed some details

The sun is out for the first time in days.

The brighter weather makes me feel optimistic.

I am able to push away gloomy thoughts for the first

But the goods in our shop are getting dusty.

The cost of getting them here through countless

regime and Daesh checkpoints has made them expensive.

We sell less in two months under Daesh then we did

And that is not just due to soaring prices.

Many people just don't go out on the streetS any more.

To make matters worse, Daesh recently ordered

all shopkeepers to limit their mark-up

on goods to 25%, and they charge us tax on top of that.

Then there's the cost of cleaning, electricity, when we can get it.

While I worry, the mother of a friend I met through the group

He was with us from the start of the revolution but he gave up

all activities when Daesh took over, got

He did not realise that they would still come

Daesh knew of his previous involvement with the revolution

His mother looks worried and in deep despair.

She tells me they have arrested her son in a raid

I try to calm her down, saying they are probably only

questioning him, like they did plenty of times

But she takes no comfort, and tells me to leave the city

I walk around the city with a broken soul.

Looking at all other broken souls passing by.

Each pair of eyes that passes tells a different story.

Around noon, I'm arranging goods on the shelves of my shop

He looks a little shocked and advises me not to take

He says there is something he doesn't

want me to see, but he doesn't say what.

In the end, curiosity gets the better of me.

In front of my friend's house, I see a man with his head cut off.

A sign above his head reads, "A spy, a collaborator that worked

I'm in such a state that I can't go home.

I don't want my mother to see me like this.

Leave his butchered body in front of his

mother's house, in front of his family?

I've decided I can't take this any more.

They are carrying out raids on the houses of anyone who ever had

anything to do with the revolution, even if it was many

I have distanced myself from anyone I used to go to protests with.

I did not want them suspecting me or them.

Let's talk now to BBC Diplomatic correspondent Paul Adams

and Neil Sammonds Amnesty's Syria Researcher -

and from the Middle East Ibrahim Hamidi, Syria editor of the Arab

You have been listening to the video diaries, what do you think? I really

like them, I have watched and heard all of them come I think they are

quite beautifully crafted, poetic, compelling tales of life and death

inside the totalitarian regiment of the so-called Islamic state. The

fear which comes across in all of them, never quite knowing when you

all your loved ones of your neighbours might get picked up for

any infringement of dress code, not praying at the right time, not going

to an education class, let alone potential media activities and so

on, and the horrific punishments which comeback. Whether it is

stoning, being thrown off a building for alleged homosexual behaviour and

so on. It is so harsh. There are a few things that I think, there is

only so much you can say in five pieces, and I do think they are

wonderful in all the things they cover. Maybe if there could be a

prequel as well, it would be quite nice to see what life was like at

the time of the change, when there was such hope for a short period of

time, when Rocca became the first provincial capital to be taken over

by opposition armed groups -- Raqqa. As it points out quite beautifully,

the people were not known to the locals who came in. It didn't grow

from the situation in Syria, it came from outside. On that, you have

effectively seen that through the eyes of a close friend, who went to

Raqqa when the regime lost control of Raqqa, but then subsequently went

IS went in, he disappeared. Tell us what happened? He is or he was a

wonderful Syrian human rights lawyer. I first met him in 2006,

when Amnesty was allowed into the country. There was a hint of a

glimmer of hope when Bashar al-Assad had taken power from his father.

Abdullah had worked for many years defending political prisoners,

mostly for free. He was a pious man, as is his wife and children. He had

been in prison five times under Al Asad. The last time I was on holiday

at the time, I scoped with him, -- I was on Skype with him. He became

after the opposition armed group, Islamist leaning took over. He

became one of the leading figures of the peaceful figures, and then one

evening, after work, he was abducted by what everyone believes was the

Islamic State. Islamic State members took over the family home. His keys,

the car was taken over by Islamic State and so on. The family fled.

They are now in southern Turkey. They have been trying to reach,

trying to get resettlement to Europe or the US, but that has been held

back by a number of processes. They have been waiting for about two and

a half years now and there has been no word at all of him. There have

been occasional rumours that maybe he was seen at a detention centre,

but nothing clear. We know how appalling the human rights offences

are by Islamic State, so many people when they are detained are tortured

severely and many are killed. How do you read the situation in Syria, and

how it unfolds, because IS seems to have a very tight grip on areas like

Raqqa and other areas like that? And obviously Asad is still in control,

and the opposition is quite divided. Can you see anything happening to

change that dynamic any time soon? Not a great deal. The year ago, it

was a time many were saying because the opposition was making serious

advances across the country, the regime was losing ground in a lot of

areas. I think it was becoming inevitable that they were going to

have to accept a transitional period. The Russian intervention at

the end of September has been a massive game changer. The opposition

groups have been terribly squeezed and overwhelmingly targeted by

Syrian forces. All the diplomatic cards were really with the

Government and with Russia at the moment. Whether they will use that

position of power is one option. There are still a few variables.

What will happen to those areas now? Were they except that we go back to

living under President Assad? -- will they accept? At the same time,

you have IS. Despite being hit by a multiplicity of nations, for a

couple of years in Iraq, year and a half in Syria. Large parts of

Aleppo, which have not been attacked by the regime of Russia to any

significant degree. They look as though they will be able to

withstand this a lot longer. An important factor is the Kurdish

control in the north. I merrily Kurdish areas have stayed under

control of the P Y D. -- primarily. They are historically pro-democracy

secularists but with a nationalist agenda. They maintain almost

complete control over the north of the country now. They coalesced to

an extent with the regime beforehand and they have been given certain

cover by initially the regime, then by the US coalition and its attacks

on Islamic State and now by Russia as well. They have a very

interesting dynamic and it is hard to see how they pull out of the

equation. They may be pushing for a primarily Kurdish state.

A leading fertility lawyer has told this programme the UK law

on surrogacy needs to be changed to make it less complicated.

Criticism over the biopic of the singer Nina Simone.

Some are unhappy at the actress wearing an afro wig

We'll speak exclusively to Nina's daughter.

Facebook is set to pay millions of pounds more in tax in the UK

after a major overhaul of its tax structure.

After heavy criticism that it was avoiding tax,

profits from the majority of Facebook's advertising revenue

initiated in Britain will now be taxed in the UK.

It will no longer route sales through Ireland for its largest

A record 1.25 million asylum seekers arrived in the EU in 2015,

more than double the figure from the previous year.

Syrians were the largest group at nearly 363,000,

followed by 178,000 Afghans and 121,000 Iraqis.

The Northern Ireland Secretary Theresa Villiers has condemned

what she called a "vicious attack on a prison officer in East

The officer is said to be in a serious condition

after a device exploded under a vehicle in the Woodstock Road

British scientists believe they have discovered a way to "steer"

Researchers say they've developed a way of finding unique markings

within a tumour - its "Achilles heel" -

allowing the body to target the disease.

Iain Duncan Smith says the "spin and smear" tactics being used

by the campaign to stay in the EU risk long-term damage

The EU exit campaigner has accused the other side -

backed by most of his cabinet colleagues -

of making "desperate and unsubstantiated" claims.

Scientists in America believe an advanced vaccine for the zika

virus could be ready for human trials by August or September.

The work on a Zika drug is focused on pregnant women.

It's thought the virus, spread by mosquitoes,

is linked to babies being born with abnormally small heads

Heavy snow is affecting travel in many areas across northern

Schools have been closed and flights have been delayed.

The Met Office has issued snow and ice warnings with more snow

Laura Trott looks in unbeatable form as Rio draws closer -

she's won a sixth world title at the Track Cycling World

Already a double Olympic champion, Trott won gold for Great Britain

Britain begin the defence of their Davis Cup title today.

They're in Birmingham to take on Japan.

Andy Murray gets things underway against Taro Daniel -

it'll be his first competitve match since he became a father.

England's women are playing in an international friendly

tournament in Florida but they lost their opening match

to the United States, last year's World Cup winners -

England next play Germany on Sunday.

Let's go back out into the snow and the side battle between Alan Shearer

and Robbie Savage. Let's have a look at the goals. 280-246. Alan Shearer

winning the battle for now. We will be back in the snow a little bit

later. I trust you will be brilliant. We will watch later.

A leading fertility lawyer has told this programme the UK law

on surrogacy needs to be changed to make it less complicated.

There are worries that too many people are confused

and are going abroad despite some countries banning foreigners

Well surrogacy is legal as long as: No money is paid to the surrogate

other than to cover "reasonable legal expenses" -

things like medical expenses, maternity clothes and a loss

It is however a criminal offence to advertise that you are looking

for a surrogate or willing to act as a surrogate.

And it is also an offence to broker a surrogate arrangement

So, let's talk now to Shereen Jivraj and Jane Newman, who both

had their babies via a surrogate - Rachael Coleman, who acted

as a surrogate and Anne-Marie Hutchinson, a specialist family

Thank you for coming in to talk about this. Just tell us, you do

want the law to be changed. Why do you think it is necessary? What we

need is an overhaul of the law. What has happened is the law has become

amended over the years to fit new situations. It was not specifically

designed for the number of surrogacy arrangements which, for example, are

now happening. There is a lot of confusion and a lot of confusion

within the public. You said it is illegal to pay anything over and

above unreasonable expenses. It is not illegal between a surrogate and

a commissioning parent. What is legal? There is a criminal law, a

surrogacy arrangements act, which banned making a profit out of the

surrogacy arrangement. That clause captures many things. It would catch

a lawyer giving legal advice about a specific surrogacy arrangement. Then

the civil law is the law which grants parenthood to the

commissioning parents. That is a civil law family law process. Within

that there is a reference to payments made to the surrogate. That

is where the confusion arises in the public mind. It is not illegal to

make compensatory payments to a surrogate. It is very confusing. Do

people get really tripped up? Have you come across any horror stories?

There are some significant horror stories. Mostly because people enter

into the arrangements without taking proper advice and doing proper

research. Give some examples then? People making arrangements overseas

where they have not looked into the immigration process, for example,

and being trapped in a country where they cannot leave the country with

their children. They have not sorted out a child's nationality. Very

rarely does a surrogate, of full gestation or surrogate, change her

mind. That is a fear. You often see in the press. It is very rare. There

are situations where that may arise if there is a dispute between the

commissioning parents and the surrogate. Again, a surrogacy

contract in this country is not enforceable. Until you have the

child, the courts cannot deal with anything until that child is

actually born. Would you like to see that changed? We need a framework, a

proper, regulated framework that protects everyone and provides a

good practice, and allows the general public to understand what

surrogacy is and how it operates. Let's speak to some of the month.

You found the process here to confusing. What are the issues? It

is the issues we have already discussed. Summer could change their

mind. We did not know how we stood as commissioning parents. Our main

interest was the protection of not only us but the child we wanted to

have. We did not want that to be repercussions when he was older. By

going abroad without is all very clear-cut in the sense we knew where

we stood, where the surrogate stood, she knew where she stood and the

doctors knew where everyone stood. There is much cleaner than doing it

in this country. How did it work for you question right you went to

India, didn't you? And Marie was talking about potential issues that

can arise from doing surrogacy abroad. Did you have any issues? We

were very lucky. The contract we signed and the surrogate side was a

well drafted. She was given a translation and she was explained

and the lawyer sat with her and explain exactly what the contract

meant we were able to speak to her, so we were very comfortable on both

sides that we understood she would carry the child. It would be our

child and we would bring the child back to the UK. The issues for us

arose when the child was born. We tried to get a passport to bring him

back. That is what took the most time, I think. There is a picture of

you and your child. Tell us, Jane, you had twins by a surrogate in this

country. How did you find the process? My process was, we had a

very happy ending. The whole process was, obviously it was difficult

going through the process. We did not have any complications along the

way. We had a really good relationship with our surrogate. We

had counselling. We build a really good trust under bond with her.

Where did you find your surrogate? They're all sorts of issues around

that? They are not allowed to advertise. We were introduced by a

private Facebook group. We connected. We did not have any

complications. Did you have any concerns about contractual issues

and potential risks down the line? Having counselling really cemented

the bond between us. We spoke about that. We spoke about... Our

surrogate was worried we would not want to keep the baby at the end as

we might have been with her wanting to keep it. When we heard her say

that, we were like, actually, do you know what? We were on the same page.

Tell us more about how the counselling work and how it came

about? It was myself and my husband and her and her partner. We met

several times. It makes absolute sense. Is it not standard? We do not

have the regulatory framework in this country. We do have a number of

not good not for profit groups which have set out best practice and

provide counselling. It is essential if one is on the same page and fully

understands what they are entering into what the commitments are. As

you say, for many surrogate mothers, the biggest concern is, the couple

will walk away and leave them with a child. You have heard the horror

story about the twin in Thailand that was left by the Australian

couple. You have acted as a surrogate mother. What issues have

come into play? It was a wonderful experience from start to finish. I

met my intended parents through Surrogacy UK, and the ethos is

friendship first. When I met my intended parents, we became so close

and we formed a bond, which we still have now. They are like my family

now. I gave birth to their son in May 2000 and 14. You are like

family. I speak to her every day. We are really close. What made you

decide in the first place to actually become a surrogate mum? I

do not know. I wanted to help someone, help someone have what I

have. I have three children. I thought, if it were me who could not

have children, I would be devastated. To give someone what I

had to change their lives, it was just amazing. When there is talk

about the couple walking away and a surrogate mother deciding to keep a

child, they were not issues for you at all. Was that dealt with in

counselling? Yes, we had to go through a counselling session with

our fertility clinic, myself and my husband, and be intended parents.

Have separate counselling where we could talk through things that could

go wrong. Sort of like we know what we are getting into, with our eyes

wide open. Did you do it for financial reasons? It does not sound

like it did but I just wanted to ask you that question. I can see why

people might think that. Had I been doing it for financial gain, I would

have done it for a lot more. It is just the expenses. I have not gained

anything from it apart from pride and the knowledge that I have done

something amazing and created parents, grandparents, auntie 's and

uncles. To me, I will be so proud, everyday, for the rest of my life.

White matter how do you feel in terms of gratitude to the mothers

that carried the baby for you? -- How do you feel? No words to explain

it. We are very grateful. It takes a very special person to do something

like that. Raqqa Are surrogates said with the

money she had known she had upgraded her housing and was going to put her

children through school, which she couldn't have done. So is it

different in India, in terms of being able to take money? Was it

about earning money for her? Absolutely. It is a situation where

they want to improve their lives, so they want to change their lives and

we want to change our lives, so that is why it is a commercial situation

that works, because both parties are very clear as to why they are doing

it. I think the feeling of I want to help somebody and the pride and

everything we have just talked about, I think that does come into

it but the main reason was financial. When she is said to me

you have help me because I can out that my child through education, my

only response was you have no idea what you have done for me, the way

you have changed my life and my husband's life and again created

grandparents, auntie 's and uncles. I can't put into words how I felt

towards that. Jane and Rachel, what do you think about it being more of

a commercial enterprise, and whether surrogate parents could potentially

do it to make money? Could that change here, would you think? I

don't think that would be a good thing. Really, if my arrangement had

been for financial gain, I think it would have tainted the relationship

that we had, and that we still have. More of a transaction, perhaps? That

would have ended with the handing over of the trialled. But I have

such a good relationship. -- of the child. I felt, if I felt I was being

a sort of service provider, it would not have been the same, it wouldn't

have felt the same. So I just don't think it could work, and I know

there has been some surveys by Surrogacy UK, where they have asked

surrogates about commercialisation, and 98% said they wouldn't want to

do surrogacy if it was for financial gain. What do you think, Jane? I

agree, I think you would lose the emotional connection that you have

and I think it would just become a whole area that people would go into

for the wrong reasons. And that would worry me. Because at the

moment there is a huge taboo around it anyway. I think it would become

quite negative, whereas personally speaking it is very, very positive,

it is the most amazing thing that someone can do. For us to have

completed our family is so special. Anne-Marie, when you hear these

people talking like this, you think why is there a need for anything to

change in this country? You said it is aid to boot. I think the word

commercial is not how four, I prefer compensated surrogacy, which is

paying reasonable expenses incurred and some compensation for nine

months of caring for a child and bringing a child into the world. And

frankly pregnancy is not always easy, is it? At the same time we

need regulation that protects everybody. If these arrangements and

way have best practice guidelines, that would protect everyone. We

won't have situations where there is no control, people going over the

border and making exploitative arrangements that do cause concern.

John has tweeted to say my husband and I are desperate to have kids but

can't afford it, many surrogates profit from the child and no one

enforces the law. There are many groups on Facebook for surrogacy,

the law needs to change. What do you think about that? We need to have

proper and clear regulation, clarification of how advice can be

given, so that proper advice can be taken by intending parents from the

very beginning. And of course all true sticks are a busy will

continue. Nobody is saying it shouldn't. And I have not met a

surrogate mother who didn't first and foremost have an emotional wish

to fulfil that arrangement. That was first and foremost. The compensation

and pay came second. Sherine, having listened to the expenses of how

surrogacy has worked for Jane and Rachel, would you consider surrogacy

in this country, if you were to do it again? I guess never say never.

India have now banned surrogacy for foreign couples will stop how soon

did that come in after you... We were very lucky, literally a year

after our son was born. We were incredibly lucky to get through

before they in forced the ban. We would have to consider something

else will stop having listened to these experiences, it does seem to

be a very experienced -- positive act for some, but again we know that

it can go very wrong, and I think it goes back to our primary concern. I

think it is unfortunate that it is not better regulated here because it

would stop people having to go abroad. Now that other countries are

banning surrogacy, I think the UK does need to compensate by

regulating surrogacy here, because women are having children later in

life, late of our parents would have, and so people are going to

need assisted reproduction more now than they ever did. Women should be

assisted in understanding what their options are. How common is surrogacy

becoming in this country? It is certainly on the increase. The only

figures we can look at those parents who actually apply for and obtain a

parental order. Doesn't everybody have to get a parental order? No.

What happens if you don't get one? Then your child has no legal status.

It is still the child of this Arabic which in future could have very

serious consequences for the child, issues of citizenship, inheritance,

but a child has a right to parentage and status. But not everybody does.

Again, because a confusion about the law, a concern that they may have

broken the law because they gave their surrogates compensation over

and above expenses. They fear of going to the courts. The only

figures we know the number it made in any one year, but I don't think

that is a full reflection of all of the surrogacy arrangements that

occur in this country. Great to talk to you all. Following on from the

tweet, there is information available, I am at a Conference

tomorrow, Families through Surrogacy are holding a Conference tomorrow on

Liverpool street. They do it annually, and things like that will

help people like John who treated in to provide more information on

surrogacy for stop there are so many more people you can speak to at

those conferences. That is in London tomorrow. Yes. So there are things

where people can get more information. Thank you for all of

your comments today. Thanks so much for all your comments

on our story about the twins born Only three year old Ava

is being offered life altering surgery but her brother Louie

who has the same condition was denied the operation;

and their parents want the NHS to offer the surgery

to more children. You've been sending

in your comments. Stuart tweeted: I really hope

this lovely couple get The very best of luck

to you both and your children. And Anne tweeted: What utterly

amazing parents Ava Louis have. Here's a short extract

from the interview We were having to leave the hospital

every night while they were still in the neonatal unit, so we didn't have

our babies with us. We had been given this news, this devastating

news, trying to come to terms with that. They did paint a very black

picture. So we almost started a bit of a grieving process of the life we

envisaged with our children. But at the same time, we store had our

children and we were grateful for that. At the same time, you are

trying to get your head around what is being told here. And how were

they developing, because knowing as you say, prior to situation where

parents only discover when the develop mental milestones aren't

hit, you were able to see at Anfield. With them being very small,

they said that premature babies don't generally hit the milestones

anyway, so that was thrown in the mix as well. Louie took to the

bottle before Ava did from being very small, so things from an early

stage looked pretty good. We are thankful to say that things have not

turned out as bad as the paediatrician told us it may, which

in hindsight is a good thing because we really celebrate everything that

we do, as they were growing up. So, yes, we are doing really well. That

is good. We were quite critical, because anything they were not

doing, it was blown out of proportion. Louie suffered from acid

reflux at three months old. We automatically thought he would have

a problem with feeding, due to has cerebral palsy. It was just acid

reflux, and it was controlled through medication. But you have

always got that in the back of your head. We used to call it the big

dark cloud. That followed us around, unfortunately. Which, to an extent

is slightly still there. Yes, but you just learn to deal with it, I

think. Pretty resilient. Louie has also got epilepsy. He has had a

couple of seizures, one fairly recently, but it is under control,

to a degree. So we just carry on and do what we do. So, yes, we just try

to stay positive. It sounds like you have had fabulous treatment and

support. Yes. You then discovered the possibilities of this operation

with the trial. And Ava had it. What difference has that made to her? For

her, it has been completely life changing. Prior to her operation,

she was getting around crawling, but also using a little walk with

wheels. She was always right on her tiptoes, on the knuckles of her

toes, knees out, on the knuckles of her toes, to the point where her

toes used to bleak because she was right up on them. When she was in

recovery after the operation, just having a look at how her legs moved,

we moved her legs and burst out in tears, we had never seen her legs

move like that before. It was incredible. For all five days after

the operation they stood her up for the first time and her feet were

flat on the floor. It was just incredible. We can't begin to say

how much we were over the moon by it, seeing her feet flat on the

floor, we didn't realise how big her feet were because they had never

been a right angled position before. So now you want the same for Louie.

Absolutely. It has made us more determined, seeing the instant of

Ava, truly life changing. Phil and Emma. You can see the full interview

on our website. We were hoping to bring you the

interview with Nina Simone's