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Hello, it's Wednesday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
Two suicide bombers who blew themselves up at Brussels airport | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
have been identified as brothers who police were already searching | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
for over links to the Paris attacks suspect, Salah Abdeslam. | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
The third failed airport bomber has been named - he's on the run | :00:23. | :00:26. | |
So-called Islamic State says it carried out the attacks. | :00:27. | :00:34. | |
A bomb, chemicals and an IS flag have been found | :00:35. | :00:36. | |
Brussels is in mourning - with tributes coming in for the 34 | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
people murdered in those attacks on the airport and metro system. | :00:42. | :00:50. | |
We are fine, as a family, we are not injured, we are not hurt. It was | :00:51. | :00:58. | |
very scary but we are lucky. Some people did not make it and our | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
thoughts should go with them. I am Jon Kay reporting live from | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
Brussels, as this city tries to come to terms with what has happened. The | :01:08. | :01:13. | |
first victim has been named, a mother of two young twins. | :01:14. | :01:20. | |
Two of the men thought to have been behind yesterday's bombings | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
at the airport in Brussels have been named by Belgian state media | :01:25. | :01:27. | |
as two brothers - Khalid and Brahim El-Bakraoui - | :01:28. | :01:32. | |
Both are believed to have died in the two airport explosions, | :01:33. | :01:38. | |
A third man thought to be involved in the airport bombings, | :01:39. | :01:44. | |
who is still on the run, has been named by state media | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
Yes, Victoria, this is a capital city. It is the centre of European | :01:48. | :02:06. | |
Union decision-making, but it feels in parts like a village. There is | :02:07. | :02:11. | |
hardly anybody out. The trends are empty, the Metro is not running. The | :02:12. | :02:17. | |
main airport remains closed. This square has become a centre of quite | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
reflection where people have been coming in their thousands on their | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
way to work, or maybe they are not working this morning, to light | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
candles, leave flowers and even flowers in Belgian beer bottles, to | :02:30. | :02:35. | |
hug and gather one another and reflect. A lot of people have told | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
me over the last few hours, that they expected something like this to | :02:42. | :02:46. | |
happen in Brussels, after the Paris terror attacks, knowing there were | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
links to this city and knowing there were raids over the last few months | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
and days. Nothing could prepare them for the reality of what we saw | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
24-hour is a go. You can hear drills going. This is still a functioning | :03:00. | :03:06. | |
city but somebody said to me earlier, this does not feel like the | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
same place. It will be a long time before it does. Let's get the latest | :03:10. | :03:10. | |
now from Richard Lister. Three men in the airport. Suicide | :03:11. | :03:28. | |
bombers about to strike. This man, named in Belgian media as Najim | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
Laachraoui did not blow himself up and is on the run. He left this | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
behind him. Smoke, chaos and death at one of Europe's Mac be -- | :03:39. | :03:48. | |
Europe's busiest airports. There was a second bombing at this station. | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
These commuters were caught underground, unlucky, if terrifying | :03:53. | :04:00. | |
escape. After a tip-off from a taxi driver, police raided a flat | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
uncovering a nail bomb, chemicals and the flag of the so-called | :04:04. | :04:09. | |
Islamic State. Brussels is a city on edge. Security has been stepped up | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
and not just at the European institutions based here. Everyone | :04:15. | :04:17. | |
this morning is wondering about what happens next. Yesterday I was seeing | :04:18. | :04:24. | |
on Twitter somebody said we should kill all Muslims, so indeed this | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
anti-Ms Lynn sentiment really increases. But what we need to | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
understand is to unite against these terrorists. There is already evident | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
urging that Najim Laachraoui on the right is linked to the Paris terror | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
attacks. He is now the most wanted man in Europe. | :04:42. | :04:52. | |
All-night people have gathered here. This has become a focal point. It is | :04:53. | :05:01. | |
a very sombre, but I think a workmanlike attitude as well here. | :05:02. | :05:08. | |
People a to prove that life does go on, and despite the fact that so | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
many people are connected in some way to what happened, either knows | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
someone who was caught up in it or know someone who is missing or died, | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
they are determined not just to show their solidarity and defiance, but | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
to get on with the realities of everyday life, as you can hear from | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
the drills which are still going, as the people here remind you of what | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
has happened on their doorstep. Jon Kay life in Brussels. | :05:34. | :05:40. | |
The Foreign Office has warned people travelling to Belgium to remain | :05:41. | :05:42. | |
vigilant and stay away from crowded areas. | :05:43. | :05:44. | |
It says two Britons were wounded in the attacks. | :05:45. | :05:46. | |
Concern has been expressed about David Dixon, an IT programmer | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
from Nottingham, who is missing in Brussels. | :05:50. | :05:50. | |
A family friend told the BBC that his partner Charlotte Sutcliffe | :05:51. | :05:53. | |
has been searching the city's hospitals for him. | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
Charlotte is desperately trying to find him. | :05:58. | :05:59. | |
Trying desperately to find out where he is, and make contact | :06:00. | :06:06. | |
with him, but he hasn't made contact with her at all. | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
She's very worried, she's desperately searching for him, | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
and if anyone can help, then please let us know. | :06:14. | :06:15. | |
He's an amazing man, who deeply, deeply loves his son, | :06:16. | :06:22. | |
David Cameron will chair a meeting of the government's emergency Cobra | :06:23. | :06:32. | |
committee this morning to consider how the UK should respond | :06:33. | :06:35. | |
Norman Smith is following developments | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
Specifically, what will they be discussing? Well, I think the Cobra | :06:40. | :06:54. | |
meeting has just finished. I saw Theresa May, the Home Secretary, | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
just coming out. We should get an update on whether there are any | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
British fatalities or injured. We have heard two injured. My senses | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
these are not critical injuries. In terms of David Dixon, when I spoke | :07:09. | :07:11. | |
to folk at them attend this morning, they did not have any detail about | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
his whereabouts. We may get more information shortly. In broad terms, | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
what Mr Cameron will be doing will be looking at the security | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
arrangements put in place yesterday, which involved more visible presence | :07:27. | :07:32. | |
of police, more controls, checks and sniffer dogs at airports and ports, | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
but broadly, we are being told that people should be alert but not | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
alarmed. At the moment, there is no suggestion of any direct link with | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
the attacks in Brussels, and the threat in Britain. The threat level | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
here remains the same. One other issue is whether there is any | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
controversy over remarks from some politicians in the wake of the | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
attack, particularly Ukip politicians, who have sought to | :08:03. | :08:04. | |
suggest that the attacks were to some extent fuelled by lax EU | :08:05. | :08:11. | |
migration rules. We had from the Ukip leader Nigel Farage overnight | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
saying free movement equals free movement of Kalashnikovs. I think | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
that will cause some disquiet and certainly, both the Prime Minister | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
and the Home Secretary yesterday appealed to politicians not to use | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
this attack in any way to do further arguments in the EU referendum | :08:29. | :08:30. | |
campaign. Annita is in the BBC Newsroom, | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
with more on this story, and a summary of the rest | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
of the day's news. A review examining how | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
South Yorkshire Police dealt with allegations of child sexual | :08:42. | :08:50. | |
exploitation says a lack of interest by senior officers led to repeated | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
failures to investigate. The force says it's made significant | :08:54. | :08:55. | |
progress in tackling exploitation and grooming but it accepts that | :08:56. | :08:57. | |
more needs to be done. Previous reports have detailed | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
the scale of the abuse The frontrunners in the races | :09:01. | :09:02. | |
for the US Republican and Democratic presidential nominations | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
have won their parties' It makes it more likely it will be | :09:07. | :09:07. | |
Hillary Clinton facing Donald Trump at the presidential | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
election in November. But it wasn't a clean sweep | :09:13. | :09:13. | |
for either of them - they look likely to lose | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
their caucuses in Utah - where Ted Cruz and Bernie | :09:17. | :09:18. | |
Sanders hold clear leads. The future of BHS is being decided | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
today, as creditors vote Without an agreement, | :09:25. | :09:27. | |
the loss making retailer may go into administration, | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
putting more than 10,000 jobs The firm also has a pensions | :09:32. | :09:33. | |
deficit of ?571 million. Prince Harry's tour of Nepal comes | :09:34. | :09:43. | |
to an end later today. He'll finish his visit by opening | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
an event aimed at promoting gender equality and discouraging child | :09:48. | :09:49. | |
marriage in Nepalese society. Nicholas Witchell is | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
on the trip with the Prince. He has spent three days now learning | :09:55. | :10:07. | |
about Nepal. He has been out at dawn to watch the sunrise over the | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
Himalayas, after spending the night at a small Gurkha village. He has | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
received Garland after Garland of welcome. In another Gurkha village, | :10:17. | :10:22. | |
he joined in celebrations for the Hindu celebration, having his face | :10:23. | :10:29. | |
painted bright red. A visit which has also had a serious purpose. | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
Harry paid tribute to the Gurkha soldiers who have given their lives | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
in the service of Britain, and he has expressed its solidarity with | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
Nepal as the country commemorates the earthquake last year. Today, he | :10:45. | :10:51. | |
will turn to another issue in Nepal in society, the issue of women. He | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
will attend a summit with the president, a woman. | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
Conservationists say they found 160 plastic bottles for every mile | :11:02. | :11:04. | |
of British coastline their volunteers cleaned last year. | :11:05. | :11:05. | |
The Marine Conservation Society said the number had risen by 43% | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
The charity is calling for deposit return schemes | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - | :11:15. | :11:17. | |
Thank you. Throughout the programme we will keep you up-to-date with the | :11:18. | :11:30. | |
latest developments from Brussels. Let's get some sport now, | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
with Chris, and we're less than an hour away from an important | :11:35. | :11:36. | |
match for England's cricketers. We are indeed. England play | :11:37. | :11:44. | |
Afghanistan at the T20 World Cup. A win for them will move them a step | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
closer to a place in the semifinals. England won their opener but | :11:50. | :11:55. | |
dramatically beat South Africa. Joe Wilson reports. England's | :11:56. | :12:02. | |
victory in their last game at the world T20 really restored their | :12:03. | :12:05. | |
credibility, the remarkable run chase against South Africa. But here | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
in Delhi, they face a different challenge, taking on a nation where | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
cricket is really booming. It was Afghan refugees in Pakistan who | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
first picked up cricket. Here there is a well-established Afghani | :12:21. | :12:23. | |
community where you can see traditional bread-making | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
restaurants. As for the cricket team, they played two matches in | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
this tournament, lost both but played well. Afghanistan not just | :12:31. | :12:41. | |
here to create goodwill they have two matches left to create a good | :12:42. | :12:43. | |
impression, starting with England. The focus is on a win. At least one | :12:44. | :12:46. | |
win, whether it is England or the West Indies. We are trying at least | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
to play good cricket and win the match, not just play good cricket. | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
It is our fourth World Cup T20 and the last World Cup we did not | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
perform. A very destructive side, certainly with the way they bat. We | :13:02. | :13:07. | |
get a lot of footage from everybody. Playing them as a nation in the past | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
is not what they used to be. Certainly watching a lot of them, we | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
have an idea of the game plans they hold. In cricketing terms, England | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
have demonstrated they have power, but can they exert control? Even in | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
2020, especially here in India, there is a need for subtlety. | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
England's women are already closing in on a place in the last four. They | :13:33. | :13:41. | |
beat the tournament hosts India. A great catch coming up. Katherine | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
Brunt with the sticky fingers underneath. India only making 90 | :13:46. | :13:54. | |
from their 20 overs. It was tight. They play the West Indies tomorrow. | :13:55. | :14:01. | |
The Wales manager Chris Coleman says he is not fearful for his own, or | :14:02. | :14:08. | |
his players safety at Euro 2016, following the attacks in Brussels. | :14:09. | :14:11. | |
Uefa has said they will take all necessary measures to make sure the | :14:12. | :14:15. | |
tournament in France is safe and secure. There have been lots of | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
terrorist attacks, unfortunately, and there is always a doubt in the | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
back of your mind. Do I feel safe going to the tournament? Yes, I know | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
Uefa have worked really hard to make sure everything is OK for the | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
tournament. Hopefully, the tournament goes ahead, I'm sure it | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
will do, and I'm sure it will be a good one. | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
And the new women's Super League season gets under way later. I will | :14:44. | :14:46. | |
be speaking to Isabel Kristiansen just after ten o'clock about that. | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
Thank you. "They took away everything" - | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
the words of the husband of one of the women killed in yesterday's | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
deadly attacks in Brussels. Adelma Marina Tapia Ruiz | :14:57. | :14:58. | |
is the first of the 34 victims Her husband and twin four-year | :14:59. | :15:01. | |
old daughters were unhurt because they left the area | :15:02. | :15:12. | |
in the airport moments before Police in Belgium are now searching | :15:13. | :15:15. | |
for the failed airport bomber walking alongside two brothers | :15:16. | :15:18. | |
who blew themselves and others up, in the departure hall at Brussels | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
international airport. He's been named locally as 24 year | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
old Najim Lachrauio - he's suspected of being responsible | :15:28. | :15:30. | |
for the bombs used in the Paris massacre in November after his DNA | :15:31. | :15:32. | |
was found on suicide belts used at the Bataclan Theatre | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
and the Stade deFrance. In this picture, he's seen pushing | :15:37. | :15:43. | |
a luggage trolley with a suitcase thought to have contained a bomb | :15:44. | :15:46. | |
that did not explode. The other two men in this picture | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
have been named as brothers Khalid and Brahim El-Bakraoui who are also | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
thought to be known to police. The Islamic State group says it | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
carried out the attacks. A bomb, chemicals and an IS flag | :15:58. | :16:03. | |
have been found at a house 34 people died and more than two | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
hundred others were wounded in the blasts at the airport | :16:07. | :16:13. | |
and at a metro station. Stay down. Stay down. People started | :16:14. | :16:43. | |
panicking and running. The only thing I saw was just dust in the | :16:44. | :16:46. | |
air. People were running for their lives. There were some announcements | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
that something had gone wrong. The woman's voice was like quite shaken | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
on the intercom and that's when I know we should move. | :16:57. | :17:07. | |
Did you see or hear the explosion? No, but I walked through a mess, | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
glass, metal, smoke, water dripping from the ceiling. We had to walk | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
through puddles and we were evacuated. | :17:16. | :17:30. | |
We felt a small blast of air. And we heard some thudding in the distance. | :17:31. | :17:39. | |
The metro immediately stopped. The lights turned off. The engine turned | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
off. After a few minutes someone came and had us evacuate on to the | :17:44. | :17:46. | |
tracks and walk back to the metro station. | :17:47. | :18:02. | |
This tragic moment, this black moment in our country and never | :18:03. | :18:11. | |
before I would like to call on everybody to show calmness and | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
solidarity. These are difficult times. These are appalling | :18:16. | :18:18. | |
terrorists, but we must stand together to do everything we can to | :18:19. | :18:22. | |
stop them and make sure that although they attack our way our | :18:23. | :18:33. | |
life and they attack us because of who we were we are we will not let | :18:34. | :18:40. | |
them win. It is the whole world that's concerned with this. | :18:41. | :19:02. | |
We are just hearing the Home Secretary, Theresa May, is due to | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
make a statement later. We will bring that to you live when it | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
happens. Gavin Lee is at Brussels International Airport this morning. | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
Gavin. Well, I am as far as you can get to | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
the kiss and fly zone where families say goodbye to their loved ones | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
before they get to the departures lounge, 400 meters from here and | :19:24. | :19:31. | |
right now police, army officers and special forces operatives are | :19:32. | :19:33. | |
walking around the perimeter saying you can only go through if you are | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
part of the investigation team and part of the forensic team given the | :19:37. | :19:42. | |
wreckage in the departure lounge, debris over the floor. There has | :19:43. | :19:47. | |
been an update in terms of the investigation coming from | :19:48. | :19:49. | |
intelligence officers it seems to the State media who are reporting | :19:50. | :19:56. | |
the two men, the two bombers inside the hall were brothers, called the | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
el-Bakraoui brothers, Khalid and Ibrahim el-Bakraoui. They were said | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
to be accomplices of Salah Abdelsalam, arrested in this raid on | :20:04. | :20:06. | |
Friday. The missing Paris suspect. We have also heard in the last half | :20:07. | :20:13. | |
an hour of this third suspect on the run, who, he has been named in the | :20:14. | :20:19. | |
last half an hour again by Belgian state media as Najim Laachraoui. | :20:20. | :20:24. | |
This is someone who was seen with Salah Abdelsalam two months before | :20:25. | :20:27. | |
the Paris attacks of the he is said to be a known bomb maker. His images | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
fit according to intelligence sources of the image of a man issued | :20:33. | :20:39. | |
on a photo ID. This morning, let me bring you up-to-date, people coming | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
out from the airport, many said they were forced to spend the night at | :20:44. | :20:51. | |
the sher ra tonne Hotel. This Anita. Tell me about what happened to you | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
in the last 24 hours. Sure. I was at the hotel attending a conference and | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
the first inkling I had that something terrible happened when I | :21:02. | :21:04. | |
went to the meeting area and I ran into a gentleman and he said he was | :21:05. | :21:08. | |
accosted by a woman who looked panicked and she was yelling and | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
screaming in French. She said in English, "Don't go out. Don't go | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
out. There have been two expositions." He saw another lady | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
coming in with her forehead bleeding. We saw a steady flow of | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
people coming in, they set-up a triage centre, they were bringing in | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
empty stretchers and wheeling out people with minor injuries and arms | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
bandaged up and around shortly after lunch 1.30pm, we were all told to go | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
to the back of the hotel into a ballroom and to stand right back at | :21:42. | :21:48. | |
the wall and a policeman came in and he said there maybe another | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
explosion, a controlled one and of course, we all became very nervous | :21:53. | :21:55. | |
because by that point we thought we were safe. And we stood there more | :21:56. | :22:01. | |
about 10 or 15 minutes and another gentleman came in and said, "Please | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
stay here. There is another suspicious item that's been found." | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
After ten minutes we were allowed to go up to our rooms and we wondered | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
whether it was the third bomb, the so-called controlled explosion. You | :22:16. | :22:18. | |
were telling me a moment ago, when people were being treated in the | :22:19. | :22:21. | |
triage, you were spaking to some of these people. Tell me about what you | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
were hearing? Where the people were from and what injuries they had? | :22:26. | :22:28. | |
There was a woman who was visiting Brussels for the first time from | :22:29. | :22:31. | |
Malaysia. She was there with her special needs son and when the bomb | :22:32. | :22:35. | |
went off, she told me that her son said, "I can't move. My leg hurts." | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
He hadn't been injured, he was so panicked, so she dragged him out and | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
took him into the hotel and the saddest most heartbreaking case was | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
a woman I spoke to after eight hours after the explosion and she was | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
sitting in the hotel ballroom, she had left her mother on a row of | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
seats and gone to buy a ticket. And then she heard the blast and when | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
she came back, she saw fires raging in front of the Delta KLM counter | :23:03. | :23:08. | |
and on the row of seats where her mother was supposed to be, her | :23:09. | :23:12. | |
mother was not there, but her mother's seat was clean, there was | :23:13. | :23:18. | |
not a drop of blood, there was lots parts of the ceiling which had | :23:19. | :23:23. | |
fallen down and she wondered if her mother was under one of the bits of | :23:24. | :23:26. | |
ceiling. On Twitter I have had so many people saying they are looking | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
for loved ones, please retweet and for you as well, I have spoke to | :23:31. | :23:33. | |
many people in the hotel who said they were spoken to by intelligence | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
officers and given a debrief, were you spoken to as well? My identity | :23:39. | :23:44. | |
papers were checked and yes, I know there were members of the | :23:45. | :23:46. | |
conference, there were people who had rooms overlooking the airport | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
and I think there was someone in the conference group that actually saw | :23:52. | :23:58. | |
the third bomber runaway and took a photo and this person was | :23:59. | :24:01. | |
interviewed by the security officials and the photo was handed | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
over. I know you are trying to sort out what you are going to do next in | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
Brussels, thank you Anita. The other thing briefly to mention to you, | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
Victoria is how many people around here have gone to help at a local | :24:14. | :24:16. | |
sports hall where people are staying, it is a reception centre | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
for those with nowhere to stay in Brussels, they are helping with | :24:21. | :24:23. | |
food, water and basics and saying we have got rooms in our holes and | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
please stay. A lot of Italians and Portuguese have been taking many | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
volunteers up on that offer. STUDIO: Thank you, Gavin. Gavin Lee. | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
We can talk now to Guy Trouvey who is the Belgian Ambassador | :24:38. | :24:40. | |
Why does Belgium seem to have such a problem with extremists? Why | :24:41. | :24:49. | |
Belgium? Well, we have problems. We are not the only ones, but we indeed | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
have problems now. We have this phenomenon that we have been | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
documenting now for years and we have been trying to contain which is | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
the story of these young men and women who go and fight in Syria and | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
come back with weapons, training, explosives training. But why so many | :25:07. | :25:14. | |
from Belgium? Well, this is something maybe that a sociologist | :25:15. | :25:19. | |
could answer you, but it is true that from one particular community | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
there is a large number and I would say one particular community because | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
you cannot put all Muslims in the same bag and the huge majority of | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
Muslims living in Belgium are doing extremely well. Are integrated, but | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
you have indeed, this minute group of three, four, five hundred people | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
who have been to Syria, some of them have passed away there, others have | :25:44. | :25:49. | |
come back and they are now fighting, they are ji hads in Europe. It is | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
Belgium, it is France, it could be elsewhere. | :25:54. | :25:57. | |
What is your Government's theory about why they are apparently | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
thriving in this particular part of your capital city? Well, because | :26:02. | :26:06. | |
that's where most of them, you know, it started, again as I said, I am | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
not a specialist, but I can tell you that it may have started with groups | :26:11. | :26:17. | |
of young men who started little gangs, petty criminality. They were | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
closely tied to one another and decided at one point for reasons | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
that would take I would say hours to explain, decided to go on this Jihad | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
path. The connections were there. The community connections were | :26:32. | :26:33. | |
there. The family connections were there. Again, I say within the town | :26:34. | :26:44. | |
of Molenbeek, now it has become famous, we may as well mention the | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
name, these chaps had the possibility of finding refuge and | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
why did they go to Syria? This is the, I would say the topic of many | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
debates? You have economic issue, maybe you have the religion, you | :26:58. | :27:01. | |
have the fact that they were trying to redeem themselves and finding a | :27:02. | :27:04. | |
reason to fight, but you have to say also that there is a terrible thing | :27:05. | :27:09. | |
going on in Syria that can easily mobilise when you see the images of | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
what is going on there, you can easily mobilise people or weaker | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
spirits to go and fight over there. We have heard this morning that | :27:19. | :27:24. | |
potentially the two brothers behind some of the explosions yesterday | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
were known to your police service. How much does that alarm you? Well, | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
to be honest, we have hundreds of names. We have hundreds of names. So | :27:34. | :27:37. | |
we are alarmed. We are alarmed. It happens that this particular group, | :27:38. | :27:42. | |
tied probably to the Paris attacks, are now the focus of everybody's | :27:43. | :27:45. | |
attention, but there are hundreds of names. But, sorry to interrupt, you | :27:46. | :27:52. | |
have the main suspect from the Paris terrorist attacks in your custody | :27:53. | :27:56. | |
and yet this still happened days after he was arrested? Because he | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
was arrested, but the rest of the group was not. So you have had, you | :28:01. | :28:08. | |
know, you have besides the, when Salah Abdelsalam was arrested we | :28:09. | :28:11. | |
said quickly, very quickly, the Prime Minister himself said this is | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
a victory, but we realise that it is not over. That others are out there. | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
That we still have a threat and in fact, we kept the lel of threat to a | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
very high level because we thought when we said that attacks were | :28:26. | :28:29. | |
plausible, unfortunately... Not imminent? We would say plausible, | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
imminent, you never know. If we would have known it was imminent we | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
could have arrested them. These are professionals. These are people who | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
had the time to train. They had the time to I would say organise their | :28:42. | :28:50. | |
logistics in the country. Yes, it is regrettable, but now the issue for | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
us is not so much, is pinpointing what happened in the past, we have | :28:55. | :28:57. | |
to see what we can do now and the good news here is the commitment we | :28:58. | :29:03. | |
have received from our neighbouring countries, stopping the bickering | :29:04. | :29:09. | |
and finger pointing and now we have solid commitments from France, from | :29:10. | :29:13. | |
the UK, as we heard your Prime Minister, and I think this is | :29:14. | :29:15. | |
something that we have to do together. To do together, fair | :29:16. | :29:20. | |
enough, that is clearly a good thing, but are your intelligence | :29:21. | :29:24. | |
services up to the job? They are, we hear this criticism. We | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
think that... Do you accept it? We accept it maybe to a certain point, | :29:29. | :29:34. | |
but what we can say also is that we have been over the years increasing | :29:35. | :29:40. | |
our commitment to fight at both in terms of financial means and also | :29:41. | :29:45. | |
recruitment of policemen, but this is a relatively new phenomenon, this | :29:46. | :29:48. | |
is something that we had to face, that we haven't been facing before. | :29:49. | :29:53. | |
So we are still in the beginning of this struggle and we are trying to | :29:54. | :29:58. | |
do the best we can. We had success last year in stopping and foiling an | :29:59. | :30:02. | |
attempt. We have foiled other attempts, but you know, the rule of | :30:03. | :30:05. | |
the game is, you can noul nine attempts, but if the tenth goes on, | :30:06. | :30:08. | |
that's the only one that people are tacking about. | :30:09. | :30:11. | |
Thank you very much for talking to us this morning. Thank you. | :30:12. | :30:14. | |
The Belgian ambassador to the UK. Two of the men thought to have been | :30:15. | :30:23. | |
behind yesterday's bombings at the airport in Brussels have been | :30:24. | :30:25. | |
named by Belgian state media as two brothers - Khalid and Brahim El | :30:26. | :30:30. | |
Bakraoui, who lived in the city. Both are believed to have died | :30:31. | :30:33. | |
in the two airport explosions along A third man thought to be involved | :30:34. | :30:36. | |
in the airport bombings, who is still on the run, | :30:37. | :30:39. | |
has been named by state media The Foreign Office has warned people | :30:40. | :30:56. | |
travelling to Belgium to remain vigilant and stay away from crowded | :30:57. | :31:01. | |
areas. It says two British people were injured in the attacks. Concern | :31:02. | :31:06. | |
has been expressed for David Dixon, who was in Brussels on the day of | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
the explosions. His partner has been searching the hospitals for him. | :31:11. | :31:13. | |
Charlotte is desperately trying to find him. | :31:14. | :31:15. | |
She's so trying to desperately find out where he is and make | :31:16. | :31:18. | |
But he hasn't made contact with her at all. | :31:19. | :31:21. | |
She's very worried, she's desperately searching for him | :31:22. | :31:23. | |
and if anyone can help, then please let us know. | :31:24. | :31:26. | |
He's an amazing man who deeply, deeply loves his son | :31:27. | :31:30. | |
David Cameron has chaired a meeting of the Cobra committee this morning | :31:31. | :31:50. | |
to consider how the UK should respond to the attacks. Senior | :31:51. | :31:53. | |
ministers, including the Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond, were at | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
the meeting. The Home Secretary Theresa May will make a statement in | :31:58. | :31:59. | |
the Commons at 12:30pm. A review examining how | :32:00. | :32:02. | |
South Yorkshire Police dealt with allegations of child sexual | :32:03. | :32:04. | |
exploitation says a lack of interest by senior officers led to repeated | :32:05. | :32:07. | |
failures to investigate. The force says it's made significant | :32:08. | :32:11. | |
progress in tackling exploitation and grooming but it accepts that | :32:12. | :32:14. | |
more needs to be done. Previous reports have detailed | :32:15. | :32:16. | |
the scale of the abuse The frontrunners in the races | :32:17. | :32:19. | |
for the US Republican and Democratic presidential nominations | :32:20. | :32:27. | |
have won their parties' It makes it more likely it will be | :32:28. | :32:28. | |
Hillary Clinton facing Donald Trump at the presidential | :32:29. | :32:35. | |
election in November. But it wasn't a clean sweep | :32:36. | :32:37. | |
for either of them - they look likely to lose | :32:38. | :32:40. | |
their caucuses in Utah, where Ted Cruz and Bernie | :32:41. | :32:43. | |
Sanders hold clear leads. The future of BHS is being decided | :32:44. | :32:45. | |
today, as creditors vote Without an agreement, | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
the loss making retailer may go into administration, | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
putting more than 10,000 jobs The firm also has a pensions | :32:54. | :32:54. | |
deficit of ?571 million. Prince Harry's tour of Nepal comes | :32:55. | :33:02. | |
to an end later today. He'll finish his visit by opening | :33:03. | :33:06. | |
an event aimed at promoting gender equality and discouraging child | :33:07. | :33:09. | |
marriage in Nepalese society. Nicholas Witchell is | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
on the trip with the Prince. It comes as the countries rebuilding | :33:14. | :33:24. | |
following the devastating earthquake . | :33:25. | :33:26. | |
Conservationists say they found 160 plastic bottles for every mile | :33:27. | :33:28. | |
of British coastline their volunteers cleaned last year. | :33:29. | :33:30. | |
The Marine Conservation Society said the number had risen by 43% | :33:31. | :33:33. | |
The charity is calling for deposit return schemes to try | :33:34. | :33:36. | |
That is a summary of the latest BBC News. Moore at ten o'clock. Time for | :33:37. | :33:54. | |
the sport now. England are on the field with one win and one defeat, | :33:55. | :34:01. | |
playing Afghanistan. They won the toss and decided to bat. | :34:02. | :34:02. | |
England's women made it two wins out of two with victory over the hosts | :34:03. | :34:06. | |
Great catch from England's Katherine Brunt to help them | :34:07. | :34:09. | |
Novak Djokovic has tried to cool the row over equal pay in tennis, | :34:10. | :34:18. | |
saying his comment that men deserve more prize money than women | :34:19. | :34:21. | |
were taken the wrong way and what he meant to say | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
was the sport needed a fairer and better distribution of funds | :34:25. | :34:26. | |
The new Women's Super League season gets under way later, | :34:27. | :34:33. | |
with Notts County up against last season's runners-up Manchester City. | :34:34. | :34:35. | |
I'll be back with more on that just after 10. | :34:36. | :34:53. | |
For many the attacks in Brussels striking at the heart of the city's | :34:54. | :34:56. | |
transport network and killing at least 34 bought back powerful | :34:57. | :34:59. | |
memories of the 7/7 attacks in London. | :35:00. | :35:02. | |
Paul Dadge was caught up in the July 7th bombings - | :35:03. | :35:04. | |
many of you will remember this image of him helping an injured passenger | :35:05. | :35:07. | |
He says the attacks yesterday have bought back all the memories of 7/7. | :35:08. | :35:19. | |
Thank you very much for coming on the programme. Are there specific | :35:20. | :35:25. | |
moments that come back to you when you were watching the events | :35:26. | :35:31. | |
unfolding yesterday? For me, it would be around the attacks in the | :35:32. | :35:35. | |
tube station. Some of the images that have emerged are striking, in | :35:36. | :35:40. | |
terms of the similarity from 7/7. Particularly of people making their | :35:41. | :35:44. | |
way out of the tube network, the lights, the dark tunnel, with light | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
in the distance, seeing people emerging from the front of a tube | :35:51. | :35:56. | |
station, being cared for by paramedics. More so than any other | :35:57. | :36:00. | |
attack on the last ten years, I would say, very similar, so | :36:01. | :36:05. | |
striking. I have always been somebody who has been quite good at | :36:06. | :36:12. | |
dealing with this, and I think yesterday was a down day for me, in | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
terms of looking at the similarities, they were so much | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
there, anger and frustration that these killings still go on. It's ten | :36:20. | :36:26. | |
years, coming to 11 years later. Do you remember why you helped in the | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
way that you helped on the 7th of July 2005? For me, it was a case of | :36:31. | :36:36. | |
common sense. There were people injured and they needed assistance. | :36:37. | :36:40. | |
At that point, there was very little resources on the ground to give that | :36:41. | :36:44. | |
assistance. To me, it felt the right thing to do. I think you have come | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
across people who did not do what you did, and feel enormous guilt? | :36:49. | :36:54. | |
Yes, the world is full of... There are people that will help, people | :36:55. | :36:57. | |
who want to help and people who would rather stay out of the way. | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
Particularly the people that would like to help, I know a number of | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
people that were quite badly affected, they wanted to help, but | :37:05. | :37:07. | |
did not feel they were able to offer any assistance. They still feel | :37:08. | :37:14. | |
those effects to this day. How have you dealt with what you experienced | :37:15. | :37:20. | |
on that day since? By talking, mainly, to people that were involved | :37:21. | :37:24. | |
in the attacks, not just at Edgware Road, but at other locations that | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
were hit in London. We have quite a close-knit community of people that | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
are involved, and we still keep in touch online. That has been linked | :37:34. | :37:36. | |
with other attacks that have affected the British. So, what went | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
on recently in Turkey, on the beaches in Turkey, that has now been | :37:41. | :37:43. | |
brought into the online community. It doesn't necessarily have to be a | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
terrorist attack, as long as people are able to talk to each other and | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
share experiences. For me, personally, I have never had | :37:53. | :37:55. | |
counselling, but I found it was a lot better to build a jigsaw of what | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
happened. What kind of help and support did you get from those in | :38:00. | :38:05. | |
authority? I guess in the aftermath of 7/7, the week or so afterwards, I | :38:06. | :38:11. | |
was running on adrenaline for probably a week. I had a very big | :38:12. | :38:20. | |
down, when I came down overnight, and there was a survivors and | :38:21. | :38:23. | |
victims Centre setup, which was really good. I hope they have | :38:24. | :38:26. | |
something similar in Brussels. People were able to meet up, people | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
were able to talk councillors. I was talking about this before coming | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
here, being able to have a massage, from somebody from the Red Cross, | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
just to help you deal with what had gone on. That centre was so good for | :38:42. | :38:48. | |
me, in terms of being able to find my way through the weeks after the | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
bombing. What about later on, government help? The Government, the | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
Labour government that were in power at the time, there were very good at | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
supporting us. We had meetings with Lord Reed and Tessa Jowell, the | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
Culture Secretary and the Defence Secretary at the time. He eventually | :39:06. | :39:13. | |
became Home Secretary? Yes, a number of meetings with those. We keep in | :39:14. | :39:20. | |
touch, especially with Tessa, who was at the memorial service last | :39:21. | :39:30. | |
year and has done great work. Lord Reid is here. What kind of support | :39:31. | :39:37. | |
did you give people, and why was that crucial from a government point | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
of view? It is the government response validity to do what they | :39:43. | :39:46. | |
can to protect citizens. In the event of something as traumatic as | :39:47. | :39:49. | |
this, to do what they can to help those that are most affected, those | :39:50. | :39:55. | |
that have lost loved ones, those that have survived, those who have | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
been involved in the trauma, like Paul. That is part of the job of any | :40:02. | :40:07. | |
caring government. Unfortunately, we can't guarantee, nor can any | :40:08. | :40:10. | |
government, that this sort of thing won't happen. They have to be honest | :40:11. | :40:23. | |
with the British people and tell them this will happen. The | :40:24. | :40:26. | |
terrorists only have to get through once. The terrorists will get | :40:27. | :40:36. | |
through. You are expecting another attack, another terrorist attack in | :40:37. | :40:39. | |
this country at some point in the future? Yes, I am. I don't think | :40:40. | :40:46. | |
that is a secret. As you know, we are at our second-highest level of | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
threat, which is severe, which means a terrorist attack is likely. And | :40:53. | :40:58. | |
Britain has been at that threat level for some time? When I was at | :40:59. | :41:02. | |
Home Secretary, it was moved up to critical. That means that it is not | :41:03. | :41:08. | |
only likely, we have information it is imminent. It is different in the | :41:09. | :41:14. | |
UK from Belgium, and I think you raised some difficult issues in your | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
previous interview. At a time like this, our first thought is for the | :41:19. | :41:24. | |
victims, our condolences and solidarity with the nations and the | :41:25. | :41:29. | |
individuals that have been affected. You have to have a delicate and | :41:30. | :41:36. | |
difficult time raising the security issues. Belgium has had a degree of | :41:37. | :41:44. | |
political instability. I think it is recognised that the intelligence | :41:45. | :41:53. | |
services are integrated now. We use the police and their relationship | :41:54. | :41:59. | |
with the intelligence services. On the ground, in the community, you | :42:00. | :42:02. | |
can pick up some pretty vital information. I think we are quite | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
well resourced. Having said all of that, there is no grounds for | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
complacency. The terrorists will try to get through, they have changed | :42:13. | :42:21. | |
back, in a sense, 7/7, which is what we would call an attack on a soft | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
target, and then they went for some more difficult, but more spectacular | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
attempts, for instance when I was Home Secretary they tried to bring | :42:31. | :42:33. | |
down seven airliners simultaneously, which would have been 2500 victims. | :42:34. | :42:41. | |
The success of the services has been such that they have gone back to | :42:42. | :42:47. | |
soft targets. Mumbai style targets. You will notice that, in Brussels, | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
it was an attack on the land side, not the air side. They did not have | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
to go through security. The metro was very similar to the attacks on | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
7/7. These types of attacks are much more difficult for intelligence | :43:04. | :43:08. | |
agencies, police and so on to counter, because while I don't like | :43:09. | :43:15. | |
the expression Lone Wolf, because nobody is a lone Wolf, they draw | :43:16. | :43:20. | |
inspiration from an ideology, sometimes abroad, the community, | :43:21. | :43:28. | |
gangs, sometimes in prison, they are not on their own, but they are less | :43:29. | :43:31. | |
detailed in their orders and communication, and contact with a | :43:32. | :43:37. | |
central body abroad. It makes it much more difficult to counter. I | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
want to ask your views, you will have heard overnight Nigel Farage, | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
of Ukip, suggesting that the free movement of people across Europe is | :43:48. | :43:53. | |
free movement of Kalashnikovs. What do you make of a comment like that? | :43:54. | :44:00. | |
It is very difficult to discuss this rationally in the context of both a | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
European referendum and the tragedy that has happened. As far as | :44:05. | :44:15. | |
Schengen is concerned... That is the passport free area, which we are not | :44:16. | :44:21. | |
an member of? Doesn't take a brain surgeon to work out that, if, at the | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
borders of Europe, you have porous holes, where people can come abroad, | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
and you have an extant threat that wants to put people in, and you have | :44:32. | :44:38. | |
28 nations in Schengen that reduce the border controls of that nation, | :44:39. | :44:44. | |
it must increase the threat. That is why so many of the nations of Europe | :44:45. | :44:50. | |
have suspended their Schengen operations. So you agree with Nigel | :44:51. | :44:56. | |
Farage, perhaps not in his terms? I'm eating a point of view, I'm not | :44:57. | :45:01. | |
agreeing with any particular politician, Michael Howard, previous | :45:02. | :45:03. | |
Home Secretary, Nigel Farage or anybody else, I am stating the | :45:04. | :45:10. | |
obvious, if you have no internal border controls, it must be more | :45:11. | :45:13. | |
difficult to stop the movement of people. The thing is designed to | :45:14. | :45:18. | |
increase the movement of people, with less bureaucracy and less | :45:19. | :45:25. | |
checks. On the other hand, European sharing of information here is an | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
advantage, the European arrest warrant is an advantage. So there | :45:31. | :45:33. | |
are checks and balances on this. I would say that, and I have, long | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
before you raise the question in the House of Lords, I said that the | :45:39. | :45:45. | |
Schengen system has to be modified. As a principle, it is a good | :45:46. | :45:50. | |
principle for the European Union. In today's conditions, we had to ask | :45:51. | :45:52. | |
the question as to whether or not, thank goodness we are not in it, of | :45:53. | :45:56. | |
course, we are not in the eurozone, we are not in Schengen, but there | :45:57. | :46:01. | |
are other things we need to do. We need far more intelligence sharing | :46:02. | :46:04. | |
throughout Europe. What we tend to find is that after an incident, | :46:05. | :46:09. | |
people put in intelligence. It should be continually. At the | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
moment, most of our intelligence is shared with what they call the five | :46:15. | :46:19. | |
eyes, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United States and the | :46:20. | :46:23. | |
UK. We have defined mechanisms for putting more of that in. When Euro | :46:24. | :46:29. | |
poll tells us that of the five estimated returning the ball from | :46:30. | :46:37. | |
Syria, they only have details on 40% of them. Belgium has, per capita, | :46:38. | :46:45. | |
more jihadists going abroad than any other country in Europe. That is... | :46:46. | :46:55. | |
I think we are well placed in terms of the energies and efforts of the | :46:56. | :46:59. | |
intelligence services, police, community engagement, but, at the | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
end of the day, nobody can guarantee 100% success and, unfortunately, my | :47:04. | :47:08. | |
view is that tragedies like this are likely to happen, and therefore | :47:09. | :47:11. | |
politicians have to be honest with people and tell them that this will | :47:12. | :47:15. | |
be a very long struggle. This is a generational struggle will stop Isis | :47:16. | :47:20. | |
May come and go, Al-Qaeda might come and go, but this is happening | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
throughout the world. It will come here as well as other places. We | :47:25. | :47:29. | |
have to be as resolute as we can in saying we will not allow this to | :47:30. | :47:32. | |
destroy our way of life and democracy. | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
Thank you very much Lord Reed now chair for the Institute of Security | :47:37. | :47:45. | |
and resilience studies and thank you Paul for joining us. | :47:46. | :47:51. | |
This is what we know so far about the latest from Brussels. Belgian | :47:52. | :47:57. | |
media have named two of the men who carried out the attacks at the | :47:58. | :48:02. | |
airport as Khalid and Brahim el-Bakraoui who were brothers who | :48:03. | :48:05. | |
lived in Brussels. Local reports say the pair were known to the police. | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
It's believed at least one of the brothers was seen in that CCTV image | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
at Brussels International Airport. There were earlier reports that both | :48:16. | :48:18. | |
brothers were in the picture but it's now thought that there was just | :48:19. | :48:20. | |
one. Both are believed to have died in | :48:21. | :48:24. | |
the attacks at the airport and Metro. | :48:25. | :48:27. | |
A third man, thought to be involved in the airport bombings, who is | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
still on the run, has been named by state media as Najim Lachraoui. Twin | :48:33. | :48:36. | |
explosions at the airport and another at a Metro station yesterday | :48:37. | :48:41. | |
left around 34 people dead and 250 people hurt. | :48:42. | :48:46. | |
So-called Islamic state says it was behind the attacks and warned that | :48:47. | :48:50. | |
more would follow. Belgium is observing three days of | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
national mourning and a minutes' silence for the victims will be held | :48:55. | :48:56. | |
at midday which is 11 o'clock here. So why was Brussels, | :48:57. | :49:02. | |
the capital of Belgium, attacked? The country has struggled | :49:03. | :49:05. | |
with Islamist groups for years and hundreds of its citizens have | :49:06. | :49:07. | |
gone to fight for so-called Several cities have been known | :49:08. | :49:10. | |
to contain Islamist cells, but the most active have been | :49:11. | :49:16. | |
in Brussels and in the south-western suburb of Molenbeek in particular - | :49:17. | :49:19. | |
an area with a high ethnic Several of the bombers and gunmen | :49:20. | :49:24. | |
who targeted Paris last November, killing 130 people, had been | :49:25. | :49:29. | |
living in Molenbeek. The main suspect not to die | :49:30. | :49:32. | |
in the Paris attacks, Salah Abdeslam, returned to Belgium | :49:33. | :49:37. | |
the day afterwards and managed He and an accomplice | :49:38. | :49:43. | |
were captured alive, We can talk now to Jef Van Damme, | :49:44. | :49:49. | |
MP for the Molenbeek district, Evegenia Gvozdeva, a counter | :49:50. | :49:56. | |
terrorism expert, and journalist Tim King who has spent time looking | :49:57. | :50:07. | |
at extemism in Belgium. Jeff, how have so many extremists | :50:08. | :50:31. | |
been able to thrive in Molenbeek? The ambassador has explained quite | :50:32. | :50:36. | |
well that this is a multilayered problem and therefore the solution | :50:37. | :50:40. | |
will also be multilayered. After these attacks, we all want to point | :50:41. | :50:45. | |
something or someone as the cause, as the solution to this problem, but | :50:46. | :50:51. | |
I think unfortunately, there is not one single answer to what happened | :50:52. | :50:55. | |
yesterday and there is not one single cause that explains what | :50:56. | :51:00. | |
happens yesterday. There are some elements that are coming back all | :51:01. | :51:09. | |
the time and I... Can I just interrupt you Mr Van Damme. It's | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
being reported by Reuters that a Belgian newspaper is saying that the | :51:15. | :51:21. | |
failed airport bomber, Najim Lachraoui, has been arrested, | :51:22. | :51:24. | |
unconfirmed. Reuters are reporting that one Belgian newspaper says that | :51:25. | :51:28. | |
Najim Lachraoui, who is thought to be the failed airport bomber, the | :51:29. | :51:33. | |
man in the photograph wearing the hat and spectacles, they say that | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
he's been arrested in Brussels. If that is the case, how would you | :51:38. | :51:40. | |
react? Well, that would be very good news, | :51:41. | :51:45. | |
that would be a relief and I really hope it's true. But I think even if | :51:46. | :51:51. | |
it's true, that doesn't necessarily mean that this will be the end of | :51:52. | :51:57. | |
everything as we have seen with the rest of Islam. It doesn't mean that | :51:58. | :52:02. | |
because you get one terrorist that there will not be others trying to | :52:03. | :52:08. | |
do the same so we have to remain vigilant in any case. There's a lot | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
of measures to be taken in the future to avoid these kinds of | :52:13. | :52:15. | |
things as much as possible to happen in the future. Tim, I think you | :52:16. | :52:20. | |
believe it's because of the way the Government is structured that | :52:21. | :52:24. | |
Belgium has a problem with extremists? I've been writing | :52:25. | :52:30. | |
something about the preconditions of the Belgian state on top of which we | :52:31. | :52:36. | |
then get this, as the ambassador was saying, relatively modern phenomenon | :52:37. | :52:43. | |
of an extremely radical violent form of Jihadis. I have talked about the | :52:44. | :52:51. | |
dysfunctionalties of the Belgian state and so made myself slightly | :52:52. | :52:59. | |
unpopular in this country. One hesitates at a moment of deep grief | :53:00. | :53:05. | |
and pain to dwell on this too much. One basic point explain to your | :53:06. | :53:12. | |
viewers is that, because of Belgium's early industrialation, | :53:13. | :53:15. | |
second industrial nation after Britain, with a big coal and steel | :53:16. | :53:23. | |
industry, in the post-war period, the coal and steel industries went | :53:24. | :53:28. | |
down to the Mediterranean to get labour for the mine and the steel | :53:29. | :53:32. | |
industry. So they went to North Africa as well as the south of Italy | :53:33. | :53:40. | |
which is why this immigrant community starts off in Belgium and | :53:41. | :53:51. | |
then develops in parts of Brussels. And you believe the Government of | :53:52. | :53:55. | |
Belgium never really believed they would be attacked? They did and we | :53:56. | :54:01. | |
should know that over the past weeks and months, there was high concern | :54:02. | :54:07. | |
and there were reports and signals about imminent terrorist attacks. We | :54:08. | :54:14. | |
should still go back to November 2015 just to Remind of the threat. | :54:15. | :54:24. | |
There was information about imminent threats of large scale terrorist | :54:25. | :54:32. | |
attacks that could tackle or could attack public transport | :54:33. | :54:36. | |
infrastructures. Since then, there were numerous signals and numerous | :54:37. | :54:43. | |
reports and of course, Counter-Terrorism operations in a | :54:44. | :54:48. | |
district last week and arrest of Salah Abdeslam in the Molenbeek | :54:49. | :54:51. | |
district on Friday, they accelerated an investigation but at the same | :54:52. | :54:57. | |
time they accelerated also other terrorist members to attack. | :54:58. | :55:05. | |
Sorry, to act. Yes. Mr Van Damme what are you going to do and what | :55:06. | :55:09. | |
should the Government do to stop the radicalisation going on in certain | :55:10. | :55:13. | |
suburbs of Brussels? Well, I think it's very important to | :55:14. | :55:17. | |
point out there are two elements in this that are very important to | :55:18. | :55:23. | |
distinguish. There is the repressive part that is to find out where the | :55:24. | :55:28. | |
terrorists are, what their plans are, thousand we can counter them | :55:29. | :55:32. | |
and deal with them. That is one element and that's mostly the | :55:33. | :55:35. | |
Security Services that should properly deal with that. On the | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
other hand, we have a problem of, how do people get there, how do they | :55:40. | :55:45. | |
radicalise, how do we prevent them from becoming a terrorist and I | :55:46. | :55:51. | |
think the main concern for the long-term is there, it's trying to | :55:52. | :55:57. | |
stop and to avoid young people from Brussels or from Belgium | :55:58. | :56:01. | |
radicalising and turning against their own society. That is the main | :56:02. | :56:03. | |
challenge ahead and that is something that is going to take a | :56:04. | :56:09. | |
long time to solve because it's a multi-layered problem that needs | :56:10. | :56:14. | |
multi-layered solutions. That's where the dysfunctionalties of | :56:15. | :56:18. | |
Belgian state woman in because you've got different parts of the | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
Government structure, local government, regional government and | :56:22. | :56:24. | |
federal government and then divisions across the language | :56:25. | :56:30. | |
barriers who're responsible for, for instance, education and very | :56:31. | :56:33. | |
important in Counter-Terrorism, tackling poverty, housing, all these | :56:34. | :56:38. | |
are different layers of the Government, just as the local police | :56:39. | :56:44. | |
are too far removed from the regional police, the Federal Police | :56:45. | :56:48. | |
and the security and Intelligence Services, as Lord Reid was alluding | :56:49. | :56:52. | |
to earlier. Evegina, I don't know if you have seen the reports I've seen | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
which suggest that members of the Islamic state group in Syria were | :56:57. | :57:01. | |
celebrating the attacks yesterday by handing out sweets to children? Yes, | :57:02. | :57:07. | |
exactly. We had since yesterday numerous messages of support that | :57:08. | :57:12. | |
were shared by Islamic state supporters from all across the | :57:13. | :57:18. | |
world, praising the attacks and urging for further attacks. There | :57:19. | :57:22. | |
were calls for further large scale attacks similar to those who | :57:23. | :57:27. | |
targeted Brussels and there were also calls for loan wolf attacks -- | :57:28. | :57:34. | |
lone wolf attacks for those Jihadis not linked to any other terrorist | :57:35. | :57:38. | |
network, just to go on to the street and attack other people. Thank you | :57:39. | :57:42. | |
all so much and thank you for being patient, I really appreciate your | :57:43. | :57:43. | |
time this morning, thank you. A fairly cloudy day and mostly dry. | :57:44. | :58:02. | |
There is rain in Northern Ireland and across parts of western | :58:03. | :58:05. | |
Scotland. You can see the amount of cloud we have. One or two breaks | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
currently still across the south. As we go through the day, the cloud | :58:10. | :58:13. | |
will build and the breaks will fill in. Rain coming across western | :58:14. | :58:18. | |
Scotland and Northern Ireland won't be particularly heavy. As it add | :58:19. | :58:24. | |
Juanses east, it brightens up behind it with bright spells is and some | :58:25. | :58:26. | |
showers. It won't be particularly cold in the | :58:27. | :58:35. | |
south. In East Anglia, through the Midlands, into Wales, again a lot of | :58:36. | :58:38. | |
cloud with own or two brighter breaks. In northern England, a bit | :58:39. | :58:42. | |
of drizzle in the north-west but largely cloudy. As the rain clears, | :58:43. | :58:46. | |
some sunshine and showers coming in behind in Northern Ireland and here | :58:47. | :58:49. | |
is the band of rain moving from the west towards the east across | :58:50. | :58:53. | |
Scotland. That will continue to move towards the North Sea through the | :58:54. | :58:56. | |
evening and overnight period, as a weak feature. Where we have some | :58:57. | :59:00. | |
breaks in the cloud, you will tend to find they are going to fill | :59:01. | :59:05. | |
through the night as the next system comes our way. This heralds a | :59:06. | :59:11. | |
change, bringing heavier rain and also stronger winds that many of us | :59:12. | :59:15. | |
haven't seen for a wee while. That will continue to move south-east. | :59:16. | :59:19. | |
Not getting into the far south-east until much, much later on. Behind | :59:20. | :59:23. | |
it, a return to bright spells and also some more showers. | :59:24. | :59:27. | |
As we head through the rest of Thursday and intoo Good Friday, the | :59:28. | :59:31. | |
weather front bearing that rain, very slowly pushes on to the near | :59:32. | :59:35. | |
continent. High pressure builds in behind, so many of us on Good Friday | :59:36. | :59:39. | |
will see a fair bit of sunshine. It will be a pleasant day. Later on, | :59:40. | :59:42. | |
you can see what is happening in the west. Our next Atlantic system | :59:43. | :59:47. | |
coming our way introducing wet and windy weather. | :59:48. | :59:52. | |
In the east, we start off on a dry and bright note but we have got the | :59:53. | :59:55. | |
wet and windy weather coming our way from the west to the east. Coastal | :59:56. | :00:00. | |
gales are also likely. That moves away during the course of Easter | :00:01. | :00:04. | |
Sunday. Bright skies but then we've got more rain and showers coming in | :00:05. | :00:05. | |
from the west. Hello it's Wednesday, | :00:06. | :00:15. | |
it's 10 o'clock. I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
welcome to the programme if you've There have been unconfirmed reports | :00:18. | :00:27. | |
that a man suspected of being involved in Brussels terrorist | :00:28. | :00:30. | |
attacks yesterday has arrested. He is called Najim Laachraoui unbeknown | :00:31. | :00:35. | |
associate of the man arrested after the Paris attacks, Salah Abdeslam. | :00:36. | :00:44. | |
Brussels is in mourning, with tributes coming for the 34 people | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
murdered in those attacks on the airport and metro system. One of the | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
victims is named as a Peruvian mother of twin four-year-old girls. | :00:52. | :01:03. | |
Let's bring you the latest news. We're getting reports that the prime | :01:04. | :01:13. | |
suspect in yesterday's bombings yesterday, Najim Laachraoui, has | :01:14. | :01:15. | |
been arrested. A Belgian newspaper says he was detained in the | :01:16. | :01:22. | |
Anderlecht district. That is only one unconfirmed report, but we will | :01:23. | :01:28. | |
bring you more when we get it. His accomplices have been named as two | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
brothers, Khalid and Brahim El-Bakraoui, who lived in the city | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
and died at the blast Sydney airport. Belgium is observing three | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
days of national mourning and a minute's silence will be held in | :01:39. | :01:40. | |
just under an hour. The Foreign Office has warned | :01:41. | :01:56. | |
Britons travelling to Belgium to remain vigilant and stay away from | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
crowded areas. Concern has been expressed about David Dixon, an IT | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
programmer from Nottingham, who is missing. | :02:05. | :02:06. | |
David Cameron has chaired a meeting of the government's emergency Cobra | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
committee this morning to consider how the UK should respond | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
He said that UK security have been stepped up in the wake of a very | :02:12. | :02:19. | |
real terror threat across Europe. Theresa May will make a statement in | :02:20. | :02:20. | |
the Commons at lunchtime. A review examining how | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
South Yorkshire Police dealt with allegations of child sexual | :02:24. | :02:25. | |
exploitation says a lack of interest by senior officers led to repeated | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
failures to investigate. The force says it's made significant | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
progress in tackling exploitation and grooming but it accepts that | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
more needs to be done. Previous reports have detailed | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
the scale of the abuse The frontrunners in the races | :02:38. | :02:39. | |
for the US Republican and Democratic presidential nominations | :02:40. | :02:46. | |
have won their parties' It makes it more likely it will be | :02:47. | :02:47. | |
Hillary Clinton facing Donald Trump at the presidential | :02:48. | :02:53. | |
election in November. But it wasn't a clean sweep | :02:54. | :02:55. | |
for either of them - they look likely to lose | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
their caucuses in Utah - where Ted Cruz and Bernie | :02:59. | :03:00. | |
Sanders hold clear leads. The future of BHS is being decided | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
today, as creditors vote Without an agreement, | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
the loss making retailer may go into administration, | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
putting more than 10,000 jobs The firm also has a pensions | :03:14. | :03:15. | |
deficit of ?571 million. That is a summary of the latest | :03:16. | :03:35. | |
news, Moore at 10:30am. Time for the sport, and the women's Super League | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
season? It kicks off tonight, Manchester | :03:42. | :03:52. | |
City player Notts County. Manchester City's Izzy Christiansen is with us. | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
The first thing we have to mention is this, you have your foot in a | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
boot. You're supposed to be playing tonight, against Notts County. What | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
happened? I suffered an ankle injury in Saturday evening's game against | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
Liverpool. Unfortunately, it has ruled me out for a month or two. I | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
am devastated not to be involved, but very excited to watch and see if | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
kick off tonight. Cruel as well, apparently nobody was around you, it | :04:19. | :04:25. | |
was an accident you did on your own? Yes, feeling sorry for myself. It is | :04:26. | :04:31. | |
part and parcel of the game. It is a case of refocusing my mind. | :04:32. | :04:37. | |
Manchester City were second last season, a really exciting season. | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
How are you going to do this time around? Again, a very exciting | :04:41. | :04:47. | |
campaign to start us off tonight. It is a case of starting off well and | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
we finish very strongly last season, we are confident in the team, the | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
squad we have, the way that we play. I think, come the end of the season, | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
I would like to think we would be up there as title contenders. A lot of | :05:01. | :05:06. | |
new signings, especially foreign signings, which will make it more | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
exciting. Who has benefited most from those signings? Each team has | :05:11. | :05:17. | |
looked to strengthen. That is part and parcel of football. Each team | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
will look to strengthen through the season. We have done well in | :05:22. | :05:24. | |
recruiting a couple of girls from abroad. They fit the profile that we | :05:25. | :05:31. | |
want to employ at Manchester City. They are settling in well and we are | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
excited to see how they will perform this season. Chelsea are the | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
champions and favourites to do it again. How will they be stopped? | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
Well, there is no taking away, Chelsea are a very talented team. | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
They have an exceptionally fierce front line. I think they will be | :05:47. | :05:53. | |
stopped through hard work and dedication. Their front line are | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
very creative. It will be an exciting season, I'm excited to | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
watch everybody performing at the highest level. We are seeing them | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
getting the trophy last season. The fixtures, a lot of people in the | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
game talking about the fixtures. There are 19 is, two new ones, | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
Doncaster and Reading coming into the league. When it gets exciting, | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
you will be sat down again, Manchester City don't have a game on | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
the last day of the season, people are saying the fixtures, with two or | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
three-week brakes had not been well thought out? I think the FA are | :06:29. | :06:35. | |
doing lots of work behind the scenes to progress women's football. The | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
fact there are an odd number of teams in the league is a sign of | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
progression for me as a player. It means there two more games to play | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
in. As a player, that is what you want. Moving forward, I hope that | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
the hard work will culminate into a larger league and more expansive | :06:53. | :07:03. | |
league. So, in the end, it's a good thing, the expansion of the league. | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
OK, the fixtures are a bit of a mess, but in the end, it is for the | :07:09. | :07:16. | |
good of the game. OK, thank you. The women's Super League starts tonight, | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
Manchester City against Notts County. Chelsea are in action, they | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
kick off their season tomorrow night. | :07:25. | :07:32. | |
They took away everything, the words of the husband of one of the women | :07:33. | :07:39. | |
killed in the attacks yesterday. Adelma Tapia Ruiz is the first | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
victim to be named. She was 37 and from proof. Her husband and twin | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
four-year-old daughters were unhurt, because they left the area any | :07:50. | :07:52. | |
airport moments before bombs detonated. -- from Peru row. Here's | :07:53. | :08:04. | |
a recap of our events unfolded yesterday. | :08:05. | :08:15. | |
People started panicking and running. | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
The only thing I saw was just dust in the | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
There were some announcements that something had gone wrong. | :08:23. | :08:30. | |
The woman's voice was like quite shaken | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
on the intercom and that's when I know we should move. | :08:35. | :08:42. | |
No, but I walked through a mess, glass, metal, smoke, | :08:43. | :08:48. | |
We had to walk through puddles and we were | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
And we heard some thudding in the distance. | :08:53. | :09:18. | |
After a few minutes someone came and had us evacuate on to the tracks | :09:19. | :09:42. | |
TRANSLATION: This tragic moment, this black moment in our country, | :09:43. | :09:44. | |
never before, I would like to call on everybody to show | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
These are difficult times, these are appalling terrorists, | :09:48. | :09:56. | |
but we must stand together to do everything we can to stop them | :09:57. | :09:59. | |
and to make sure that, although they attack our way | :10:00. | :10:01. | |
of life, they attack us because of who they are, | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
TRANSLATION: The terrorists have struck Belgium, but it is Europe | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
It is the whole world which is concerned with this. | :10:10. | :10:48. | |
Ben Brown is in the centre of Brussels, where people have been | :10:49. | :10:56. | |
paying tribute. What is the latest? In the last hour or so, quite | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
dramatic news has been coming to us. It is not confirmed, but is running | :11:03. | :11:05. | |
on a local newspaper's website, that the third suspect has been arrested | :11:06. | :11:15. | |
in the Anderlecht area of Brussels. This is Najim Laachraoui. You might | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
remember that yesterday there was a CCTV imagery released by the police, | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
which showed three suspects walking into the departure hall at the | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
airport. One of them is believed to have escaped and not detonated his | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
device. A third device was found unexploded and was dealt with by the | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
security forces. The two other suspects blew themselves up. These | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
were brothers, Khalid and Brahim El-Bakraoui. It seems they blew | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
themselves up, and those two bombs did explode. The third suspect | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
escaped. The word is that he has been arrested. We have not had that | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
confirmed. Interestingly, he was already being hunted in the wake of | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
the Paris attacks, according to local media. His DNA, in fact, this | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
man, Najim Laachraoui, his DNA was found in one of the houses used by | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
some of the attackers. It is thought that he had travelled to Hungary | :12:11. | :12:17. | |
last year with Salah Abdeslam, the 26-year-old arrested in Brussels | :12:18. | :12:20. | |
last Friday. He had been hunted in connection with the Paris attacks | :12:21. | :12:23. | |
for four months. He was effectively the most wanted man in Europe. | :12:24. | :12:31. | |
Because he was arrested, in custody and being interrogated, perhaps his | :12:32. | :12:34. | |
accomplices might have thought they were going to be exposed. They | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
carried out yesterday's attacks may be sooner than they were | :12:39. | :12:40. | |
anticipating, because they were worried he was going to blue Ali | :12:41. | :12:48. | |
blow their cover. It is a very complicated picture that they have | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
been trying to grapple with, both after Paris and in the wake of the | :12:53. | :12:59. | |
attacks. Let me show you the scene here. I remember talking to you | :13:00. | :13:08. | |
after the Paris attacks, it is like the memorial that appeared after | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
those attacks. People have been coming through the night, lighting | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
candles, leaving flowers, leaving messages. In short, in yellow, you | :13:17. | :13:29. | |
might not be able to see it, it says #respondwithlight, which I think is | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
a good way of putting how the Belgian people feel they need to | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
respond, as happened after the Paris attacks, with hope, optimism and a | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
sense they have to defeat terrorism, they cannot let them destroy their | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
way of life. I am just going to walk you through the crowd, beginning to | :13:48. | :13:58. | |
gather. This is the memorial scene. Again, a larger memorial. There are | :13:59. | :14:08. | |
more candles here at plaster -- the square. Another says, we are all | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
human, a message to the bombers. A very sombre scene. Actually, later, | :14:13. | :14:21. | |
at 11 o'clock, your time, midday, our time, there will be a minutes | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
silence here and across Belgium in memory of the dead and also the | :14:26. | :14:34. | |
wounded. It is 31, we think, maybe 260 injured. If you look up there, | :14:35. | :14:42. | |
towards the fence behind me, you can see the Belgian flag draped on the | :14:43. | :14:57. | |
fence. A message on the red flag, united against hatred. We saw all of | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
that solidarity around Europe and around the world, with Paris and the | :15:02. | :15:11. | |
French flag was projected onto monuments around the world. After | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
this attack, the Belgian flag has been projected onto the Eiffel | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
Tower, and other famous landmarks around Europe. The Brandenburg gate | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
in Germany, for example, the Trevi Fountain in Rome. | :15:25. | :15:34. | |
Again, international tragedy. I feel almost depressed, covering a story | :15:35. | :15:41. | |
like this, because I was in Tunisia after the attack on the beach, where | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
so many British citizens lost their lives, and in Paris after that | :15:46. | :15:51. | |
attack. Here we are, once again, standing in a city which has been | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
traumatised, frankly. That is the only word for it. The people in | :15:56. | :16:01. | |
Brussels and Belgium, many of them have come to pay tribute this | :16:02. | :16:08. | |
morning, but I think they had been perhaps expecting and bracing | :16:09. | :16:10. | |
themselves for a terrorist attack after the attacks we saw in Paris. | :16:11. | :16:13. | |
There were so many connections between the Paris attacks and | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
Brussels. So many of the trails from the Paris attacks led to Brussels | :16:19. | :16:29. | |
and the Molenbeek district in particular. Security had been raised | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
to a high level. When it happened yesterday, there was still immense | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
shock and anger, and nervousness that there could be more attacks as | :16:39. | :16:40. | |
well. People now, as you can see, holding | :16:41. | :16:49. | |
hands. As we pan the camera round, you can see a little bit more to | :16:50. | :16:54. | |
your right there, you can see that people are holding hands, I suppose | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
just trying to come to terms with what has happened here and joining | :16:59. | :17:05. | |
together in this sort of gesture of solidarity amidst their shock. As I | :17:06. | :17:11. | |
say, a sense of fear, a sense of nervousness here in Brussels but | :17:12. | :17:14. | |
also a bit of a sense of defiance. You can see people lifting their | :17:15. | :17:21. | |
arms now and I think they're trying to say that the terrorists will not | :17:22. | :17:26. | |
win here, that they won't destroy a way of life. Again, this was the | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
response that we saw after the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris at | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
the beginning of last year and then the November attacks that were even | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
more deadly that killed 130 people. Now these attacks here in Brussels. | :17:42. | :17:49. | |
They have killed at least 31 people. Terrorism now and the brand of | :17:50. | :17:58. | |
terrorism, of terror that so-called Islamic state with pedalling is | :17:59. | :18:00. | |
something that Europe is having to come to terms with and having to | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
learn to live with. But this is the response this morning. | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
People you can see of all ethnic backgrounds, all religions, or of no | :18:09. | :18:18. | |
religion perhaps, coming together because they want to send out a | :18:19. | :18:26. | |
message to the world that terror attacks like the ones we saw | :18:27. | :18:29. | |
yesterday, the two bombs at Brussels International Airport, followed an | :18:30. | :18:35. | |
hour later by the bomb at Maelbeek Metro station that was even more | :18:36. | :18:41. | |
deadly that killed some 20 people and injured | :18:42. | :19:30. | |
They feel like they have been living in fear and their lives have been | :19:31. | :19:47. | |
put on hold. We can speak to some residents of Brussels. | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
Let's talk to some residents in Brussels. | :19:53. | :19:54. | |
Elivien Chiau, Selma Franssen, Natalia Aerts Lopez and Adam Hall | :19:55. | :19:57. | |
who been living in Brussels for 10 years, who's a professional | :19:58. | :19:59. | |
basketball player and whose close friend was injured by the bombs | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
I went to plaster -- Place de la Bourse yesterday, we went and sang, | :20:05. | :20:58. | |
just to let people know that we will not be defeated by this, Brussels | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
will still be united, even though all of these things happened. Which | :21:04. | :21:11. | |
are, of course, terrible, but we want to say the terrorists will not | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
win. I think he went down to the city centre yesterday, is that | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
right? Yes, I went to the city centre. I was trying to give blood, | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
because there were news messages asking people to come and give | :21:26. | :21:31. | |
blood. In the end, they only had a lack of oh negative. For the rest, I | :21:32. | :21:40. | |
spend my day hanging around in the city centre. Then I just spent time | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
at home, trying to reach family, talk to friends. Just trying to be | :21:47. | :21:55. | |
chill. Do you feel afraid, or pragmatic? I think pragmatic, I am | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
not afraid. I think we were expecting these bombings already, a | :22:01. | :22:03. | |
couple of years ago. I am also not angry. I think the only time I felt | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
angry was when there were bomb attacks in Madrid. This time, I am | :22:09. | :22:16. | |
not angry, frightened. I think I am quite at ease with it. I am really | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
sad about what happened, but I am not being hysterical. I think I am | :22:22. | :22:29. | |
quite pragmatic about it. Adam, what happened to your friend, Sebastien, | :22:30. | :22:37. | |
and how is he now? Late last night I heard he was going into his second | :22:38. | :22:40. | |
surgery, doing well, but in a lot of pain. For me, the hard part was his | :22:41. | :22:46. | |
family, his wife in the USA, his kids, who had no idea what was going | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
on in Belgium, they were trying to relay messages through third parties | :22:52. | :22:54. | |
to find out what was going on, where is he being held, what hospital is | :22:55. | :22:59. | |
he in? We finally got word where he was located. That was the hard part. | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
Seeing the images, when I woke up, I thought, is this a joke? It was | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
really just sad, to think one of your friends is hurt, and it could | :23:11. | :23:13. | |
be even worse, and other people I might know could be injured. You | :23:14. | :23:16. | |
never think something like that could happen. Like the young lady | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
said, we were expecting this for months, that something could happen | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
in Belgium. We did not know where. So it was still a shock when it | :23:26. | :23:29. | |
happened. I think a lot of people expected it, with the military | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
walking around the streets for the last four or five months. Everybody | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
was on edge, nobody knew where or how it would happen. Did Sebastien's | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
wife, did she find out what had happened to him? By seeing a | :23:43. | :23:48. | |
photograph of him? Is that the first she knew? That is the first I knew. | :23:49. | :23:52. | |
They are in Michigan, the time difference is long. I have been | :23:53. | :23:59. | |
calling my mother and dad, to let them know before they see the | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
images, I am OK, my daughter is OK. Another colleague in New York, he | :24:04. | :24:08. | |
hid from a friend in Asia, he didn't know anything about it until the | :24:09. | :24:10. | |
people in Asia told him, because of the time difference. I think a lot | :24:11. | :24:16. | |
of people in the US hand-out from pictures or social media, and the | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
first thing they saw was people being bombed and injured. There have | :24:21. | :24:26. | |
been soldiers on the streets for a while now. Is that reassuring? No, | :24:27. | :24:38. | |
not to me. To me, it is actually more like... It gives you a strange | :24:39. | :24:44. | |
feeling, that there are soldiers walking around. Also, they have been | :24:45. | :24:53. | |
there for months. At this point, I barely noticed them any more. It's | :24:54. | :25:01. | |
so normal, almost. In the beginning, it is strange, you think, what is | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
going on? Is it really necessary that they are here? At one point, it | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
becomes quite normal that they are there. It doesn't really make me | :25:12. | :25:18. | |
feel better when I see all of the soldiers. Not at all. Natalia, are | :25:19. | :25:28. | |
you a Belgian citizen who believes that your government should have | :25:29. | :25:36. | |
been doing more? Well, I think... What could have been done more? I | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
don't know. I really don't know if they could have done more. Maybe | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
they should actually have dogs sniffing for TNT? That is a way of | :25:47. | :25:55. | |
testing if there is on the airport or the metro somebody carrying | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
something dangerous, instead of having the military. Maybe that is | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
something they could add to security. But I am not an expert. | :26:03. | :26:43. | |
The capture of one of the men, we knew that something was going to go | :26:44. | :26:53. | |
down. We wish you all the best, thank you for talking to us. | :26:54. | :27:00. | |
A British man who lived in Brussels is one of those missing. David | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
Dixon, who works in IT, has not been in touch with his partner since the | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
attacks. His partner has been carrying out a heartbreaking tour of | :27:11. | :27:14. | |
the city hospitals in the hope of finding him. David Dixon is thought | :27:15. | :27:17. | |
to have been on the metro when the bomb exploded yesterday. We can talk | :27:18. | :27:23. | |
to Philip Dixon, David's cousin. Thank you for talking to us. Have | :27:24. | :27:29. | |
you had any news from David's partner? Not at the moment. I have | :27:30. | :27:37. | |
spoken to my parents, we are in Holland at the moment. My parents | :27:38. | :27:45. | |
spoke to Charlotte this morning, but she is still waiting on news. She | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
has been around the hospitals, still no news. As far as you know, what | :27:51. | :27:56. | |
were his movements yesterday morning? As far as I'm aware, just | :27:57. | :28:03. | |
his normal working day. He took the metro to work. Unfortunately, it | :28:04. | :28:09. | |
looks like he could have been on this metro train at the time of the | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
bombing yesterday. Charlotte tried phoning work, and he did not turn up | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
for work yesterday morning. We are fearing the worst at the moment. | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
Absolutely unimaginable, actually, what your family must be going | :28:25. | :28:30. | |
through. In terms of Charlotte, she has been to the hospitals, what are | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
her options, what help is she getting from the British Consulate? | :28:35. | :28:41. | |
Yes, they are working alongside Charlotte, going around the | :28:42. | :28:49. | |
hospitals. There is a lot of social media out there. We are just hoping, | :28:50. | :28:53. | |
his picture is being distributed everywhere, hopefully somebody knows | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
where he is at and he is safe and well. Has the family been asked for | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
any particular information by the authorities in Brussels? Yesterday | :29:03. | :29:09. | |
evening, worst case scenario, they have asked for his dental | :29:10. | :29:18. | |
information, just in case. OK. We wish you all the best. Thank you | :29:19. | :29:25. | |
very much for talking to us. Philip Dixon, cousin of the missing British | :29:26. | :29:33. | |
man David Dixon. He went to work as normal yesterday and, as you heard | :29:34. | :29:37. | |
his cousin explaining, he has not been heard from since. His partner, | :29:38. | :29:43. | |
Charlotte, going around hospitals in Brussels desperately trying to find | :29:44. | :29:46. | |
him. Let's bring you the latest news. | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
Reports in the last 30 minutes claim the prime suspect in yesterday's | :29:51. | :30:00. | |
bombings in yesterday's bombings, Najim Laachraoui, may have been | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
arrested. Here is Richard Lister. Three phases in a busy airport. It | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
is thought their trolleys were carrying bombs. These men are | :30:09. | :30:11. | |
reported to be Khalid and Brahim El-Bakraoui, black gloves thought to | :30:12. | :30:16. | |
conceal detonators, suicide bombers about to strike. This man fled the | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
scene. Belgian media named him as Najim Laachraoui. Unconfirmed | :30:21. | :30:27. | |
reports say he has been arrested. This is what they left behind at one | :30:28. | :30:33. | |
of Europe's's busiest airports. You have to go outside! But there was | :30:34. | :30:38. | |
more, a second bombing at a major metro station. These commuters were | :30:39. | :30:41. | |
caught underground when the train ahead blew up, a lovely, if | :30:42. | :30:50. | |
terrifying escape. -- a lucky, if terrifying escape. Police raided a | :30:51. | :30:55. | |
flat, uncovering a nail bomb, chemicals and the flag of the | :30:56. | :31:00. | |
so-called Islamic State. Brussels is a city on edge, security has been | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
stepped up and not just at the European institutions. Everybody | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
this morning is wondering about what happens next. Yesterday I was seeing | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
on Twitter that somebody says we should kill all Muslims. So, indeed, | :31:14. | :31:18. | |
the anti-Muslim sentiment really increased. But what we need to | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
understand is to unite against these terrorists. Najim Laachraoui, on the | :31:24. | :31:29. | |
right, is also linked to the November attacks in Paris. | :31:30. | :31:32. | |
Authorities are yet to comment on reports of his arrest. Meanwhile, | :31:33. | :31:38. | |
the Foreign Office has warned people travelling to Belgium to remain | :31:39. | :31:40. | |
vigilant and stay away from crowded areas. It is just saying that three | :31:41. | :31:48. | |
Britons, I beg your pardon, four Britons have been injured, three of | :31:49. | :31:52. | |
whom are in hospital. Concern has been expressed about David Dixon, an | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
IT programmer from Nottingham who is missing in Brussels. His family have | :31:58. | :32:02. | |
said they have no news, despite searching local hospitals. David | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
Cameron has chaired a meeting of the government's emergency Cobra | :32:08. | :32:10. | |
committee to consider how the UK should respond to the attacks. The | :32:11. | :32:13. | |
Prime Minister said UK security had been stepped up in the wake of a | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
very real terror threat across Europe. Theresa May will make a | :32:17. | :32:23. | |
statement in the Commons at 12:30pm. The front runners in the races for | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
the US Republican and Democratic nominations have won the primaries | :32:29. | :32:29. | |
in Arizona. It makes it more likely it will be | :32:30. | :32:32. | |
Hillary Clinton facing Donald Trump at the presidential | :32:33. | :32:35. | |
election in November. But it wasn't a clean sweep | :32:36. | :32:37. | |
for either of them - they look likely to lose | :32:38. | :32:39. | |
their caucuses in Utah - where Ted Cruz and Bernie | :32:40. | :32:42. | |
Sanders hold clear leads. That is a summary of the main news. | :32:43. | :32:59. | |
Join me at 11 o'clock. In a moment, we will talk to terrorism experts | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
about the threat to this country. You might have heard John Reid | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
telling us that further terrorist attacks were inevitable. | :33:09. | :33:16. | |
It isn't going well for England in Afghanistan. They are six wickets | :33:17. | :33:24. | |
down. Stokes out in a calamitous fashion. He goes for six and he | :33:25. | :33:28. | |
misses the ball. We will see it again in a second. Look at this. | :33:29. | :33:35. | |
That, I am afraid, sums up England's innings so far. 81-60 moments ago. | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
If they lose, in danger of going out. England's women made it two | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
wins out of two. A great catch from Katherine Brunt coming up. Sticky | :33:46. | :33:50. | |
fingers. India making 90 off 20 overs. India getting a two wicket | :33:51. | :33:56. | |
win. Novak Djokovic has tried to call the row of equal pay in tennis | :33:57. | :34:01. | |
saying his comment that men deserved more prize money were taken the | :34:02. | :34:06. | |
wrong way. What he meant to say was that the sport needed a fairer and | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
better distribution of funds for men and women. Super league season gets | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
underway tonight with Chelsea the defending champions playing | :34:16. | :34:18. | |
tomorrow. They will play 16 matches over the next seven months. | :34:19. | :34:28. | |
If you have just joined us, in Brussels, one of the suspects | :34:29. | :34:35. | |
yesterday has been named by state media as Najim Laachraoui. Gavin Lee | :34:36. | :34:40. | |
macro is at the airport in Brussels. What do you know? In the past few | :34:41. | :34:47. | |
minutes, I think we have been talking about the name of this third | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
suspect inside the airport, the one who is said to have survived on the | :34:52. | :34:56. | |
run by the name of Najim Laachraoui. His name first appeared about two | :34:57. | :34:59. | |
days ago just after the rate of Salah Abdeslam in Molenbeek. -- the | :35:00. | :35:08. | |
raid. The DNA of Najim Laachraoui was discovered. Just before the | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
Paris attacks, this was a man Belgian authorities said was a bomb | :35:13. | :35:18. | |
maker, had spent time in Syria in 2013, had come back to Belgium and | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
rented properties, where some of the bombs were made for the Paris | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
attacks, crude, home-made suicide belts. Used a pseudonym until last | :35:28. | :35:35. | |
week. Only after Salah Abdeslam was taken to this maximum security | :35:36. | :35:39. | |
prison is his name emerged. This is what Belgian media reporting. | :35:40. | :35:43. | |
Belgian media have also reportedly has been arrested in Anderlecht very | :35:44. | :35:49. | |
close to Molenbeek. There is an ongoing government emergency meeting | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
now. We are told there will be an update at 1pm, 12pm in the UK, on | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
the details of the three attackers. Very little known about what is | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
happening in Maelbeek. To give you a sense of what is going on elsewhere | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
in the city, about 500 yards away, there is a sports hall turns | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
reception centre where some people have stayed overnight, the | :36:11. | :36:14. | |
passengers who got stuck in Belgium, and many people nearby have been | :36:15. | :36:17. | |
putting them up in else's. It is growing into a number of people | :36:18. | :36:24. | |
lighting candles and putting flowers in Belgian style bottles of beer, to | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
commemorate, despite the government saying not to congregate in huge | :36:30. | :36:32. | |
numbers. We are told the airport will be closed for an independent -- | :36:33. | :36:39. | |
an indeterminate amount of time. Is further details emerge about | :36:40. | :36:44. | |
Tuesday's tax in Brussels, Panorama has made a fresh insight into how | :36:45. | :36:50. | |
Islamic State operates in Europe. He detail is here. What have you found | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
out? We started our investigation immediately after the Paris attacks | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
and concluded yesterday with the tragic attacks in Brussels, although | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
I suspect it isn't the conclusion of our investigation. What we used as | :37:05. | :37:08. | |
evidence for trying to find out how the networks were structured and how | :37:09. | :37:11. | |
the attacks were carried out were two things. One was intelligence | :37:12. | :37:17. | |
documents from various European agencies, and the other word | :37:18. | :37:20. | |
transcripts of interrogations carried out by France's equivalent | :37:21. | :37:26. | |
of MI5 of captured returning jihad the fighters. They give a rare | :37:27. | :37:30. | |
insight into how these operations are planned. They are planned by IS | :37:31. | :37:35. | |
in Syria. We have established there is a specialist department in Syria | :37:36. | :37:41. | |
which in Arabic means security. This was the department which we were | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
told by one of the people involved was run by the command of the | :37:46. | :37:52. | |
European jihadist network in Europe. He gets an interesting account of | :37:53. | :38:04. | |
this particular organisation in which Abaaoud was closely involved. | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
This is from the transcript. 1500 people work for this organisation. | :38:10. | :38:17. | |
You have to be trustworthy to join. Its role is to detect spies in Iraq | :38:18. | :38:22. | |
and Syria. That is its only internal role. Its external role is to send | :38:23. | :38:29. | |
people all over the world to commit violent attacks. Each spy gets | :38:30. | :38:35. | |
50,000 euros to mount an attack in Europe. What are the intelligence | :38:36. | :38:41. | |
agencies doing? Or that they possibly can, but it has been | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
difficult. Our investigation revealed that, throughout 2015, the | :38:47. | :38:48. | |
agencies were involved in a desperate race to find Abaaoud, the | :38:49. | :38:55. | |
commander of the network, and to try and stop him. He was identified to | :38:56. | :38:59. | |
be in Athens a week after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. He was | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
identified being there via telephone intercept. With the help of Israel's | :39:05. | :39:12. | |
Mossad and the CIA, the CIA tried to get him, tried to arrest him in | :39:13. | :39:16. | |
Athens but, for whatever reason, they failed. He went back to Syria | :39:17. | :39:20. | |
and boasted about having evaded the best of Western intelligence. But | :39:21. | :39:26. | |
the documents clearly indicate that concern over Abaaoud and the network | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
increased as the months went by last year, with the result that in | :39:31. | :39:36. | |
October, a month before the Paris attacks, MI5 and MI6 at a meeting | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
with a European partner agency to discuss Abaaoud and what they were | :39:41. | :39:43. | |
going to do, and there was particular concern about a report | :39:44. | :39:49. | |
that Abaaoud was planning to send 60 jihadist fighters to attack Europe. | :39:50. | :39:54. | |
There was great concern about this. Roughly at the same time, European | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
agencies got together to discuss the problem of Abaaoud and the network, | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
and they discussed setting up a specialist team to track him and | :40:04. | :40:09. | |
target him. A meeting was planned to finalise the specifics of the | :40:10. | :40:12. | |
specialist teams and the original date planned for that meeting which | :40:13. | :40:17. | |
never happened, was the 13th of November, which tragically was the | :40:18. | :40:24. | |
date of the Paris attacks. We have also been finding out about Abaaoud | :40:25. | :40:29. | |
himself and the way in which he operated and the network operated, | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
again relying on a transcript from another captured fighter. He | :40:34. | :40:40. | |
describes how not only was he trained in Syria by Abaaoud but he | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
was also given he's instructions. To go back to Europe and he described | :40:45. | :40:51. | |
the kind of targets that Abaaoud directed him to attack. This was a | :40:52. | :40:58. | |
clip from the interrogation by France's MI5. He told me to choose | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
an easy target. Imagine a rock concert in a European country. He | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
specified that the best thing to do is to wait for the intervention | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
forces and to die fighting with hostages. He told me whoever rushes | :41:13. | :41:18. | |
the enemy will have the reward of two maters. You can see that special | :41:19. | :41:27. | |
Panorama tonight at 9pm on BBC One. Let's talk down to Baroness Pauline | :41:28. | :41:33. | |
Neville Jones, a former security and counterterrorism minister, and also | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
at Hussein, a counter extremism expert. He has spoken openly about | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
his own experience of being radicalised and being a member of | :41:43. | :41:48. | |
extremist groups from aged 16 to 21. What is your view on why Brussels | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
was attacked in this way and at this time? I think it was clear that | :41:54. | :42:00. | |
Brussels still harboured a number and does indeed harbour a number of | :42:01. | :42:04. | |
people who are active in terrorist activity. I think that immediately | :42:05. | :42:13. | |
after the attacks in Brussels, I think there is still momentum, they | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
still have caches of arms, they still have planning and they want to | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
get on with something. And they do know that Brussels itself, the | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
Belgian authorities, have not really built a strong and professional | :42:28. | :42:31. | |
intelligence service, or indeed really good cooperation with the | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
police. I think the understanding of the structure of the Belgian state | :42:36. | :42:41. | |
is rather weak. So it is a vulnerable place, and I think there | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
has got to be a very serious attempt now on the part of the Belgians | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
themselves, with a lot of help from their friends and allies, to | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
strengthen their capabilities against this kind of attack. | :42:54. | :43:04. | |
Presumably they have to look at stopping the attacks of the young | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
Belgian nationals? You are absolutely right. It's a two-layered | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
problem. On a macro level, you have issues around the identity, lack of | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
being race, lack of a feeling of belonging in Europe. Which makes | :43:18. | :43:23. | |
them vulnerable to IS's ideaology? Of offering them a sense of purpose | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
and belonging and this utopian perfectionist Islamic state. On a | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
microlevel we have increase of radicalisation and extremism in | :43:34. | :43:35. | |
prisons, on university campuses, online and some mosques. We have to | :43:36. | :43:41. | |
tackle this on the microand macro level and we are not doing that. We | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
don't have a comprehensive strategy. You say we, do you mean in Belgium | :43:46. | :43:53. | |
or across Europe? Across Europe. Joined up Government isn't just a | :43:54. | :43:56. | |
slogan but at the moment it seems to be just that. Arab and Muslim | :43:57. | :44:04. | |
Governments hand over intelligence and help falter efforts. More deeply | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
at civil society level, we are looking at the logistics, but when a | :44:10. | :44:12. | |
suicide bomber undertakes action, in his or her mind they think and | :44:13. | :44:15. | |
believe in the theology that's offering them continuity in their | :44:16. | :44:18. | |
next life. It's not just about stopping the act, but getting into | :44:19. | :44:22. | |
their minds and stopping them from thinking along the lines that they | :44:23. | :44:28. | |
don't belong here and somehow a belief in an afterlast, not | :44:29. | :44:34. | |
criticising the belief but believing in the fact that you are led to | :44:35. | :44:51. | |
heaven. I have talked to many people since the 7/7 bombings about that | :44:52. | :44:56. | |
very subject, about how to change those young men's minds about what | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
will happen if they blow themselves and others up? Well, if that's what | :45:01. | :45:05. | |
you have been doing, except lent and we need much more of that... But I | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
mean, the then Labour Government and the Governments since have been | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
trying to, you know, install those kind of programmes, those | :45:14. | :45:16. | |
initiatives within certain communities, you will know that? | :45:17. | :45:21. | |
Yes. There are various programmes and Ed is right about the | :45:22. | :45:25. | |
fundamentals. In fact when you get down to it, each country is | :45:26. | :45:29. | |
different. It's Moroccans in Belgium, Turks in Germany and so on | :45:30. | :45:33. | |
and so there is generality and cultural specific aspects and each | :45:34. | :45:36. | |
country has to develop a programme. There are a lot of common themes we | :45:37. | :45:40. | |
can use. You have got to do it with the local community. We'll never do | :45:41. | :45:48. | |
this without the copration of the Muslim community itself. People have | :45:49. | :45:52. | |
been saying that since 2005 as well. We are very conscious of it in this | :45:53. | :45:56. | |
country. We are not anything like winning but we are making progress. | :45:57. | :45:59. | |
In other countries they haven't got there. I think it would be fair to | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
say the Belgians haven't realised until recently that this was a real | :46:04. | :46:07. | |
issue and a lot of the people who live in Molenbeek, the area we are | :46:08. | :46:10. | |
talking about, it's also a crime area. It's very easy to get hold of | :46:11. | :46:15. | |
the protection they need, the arms they need, the criminal networks | :46:16. | :46:22. | |
they need, the communications that are out to other networks, so | :46:23. | :46:25. | |
there's a very great deal that you have to do. Simultaneously by way of | :46:26. | :46:33. | |
pursuit and preventing over the long-term, this kind of behaviour, | :46:34. | :46:38. | |
so it's a big task. We heard John Reid, Lord Reid he is now, who said | :46:39. | :46:43. | |
British politicians should be honest with the electorate here, "there | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
will be another terrorist attack in this country, it's inevitable". | :46:48. | :46:53. | |
I'm afraid I don't accept the word inevitable. It's certainly the case | :46:54. | :46:58. | |
that the agencies say, and rightly, that they cannot reckon to prevent | :46:59. | :47:01. | |
everything that's potentially going to happen. However, I do think it's | :47:02. | :47:07. | |
the case that this country is better protected than many. We have the | :47:08. | :47:10. | |
advantages of our geography, we have kept our borders under control, we | :47:11. | :47:19. | |
don't let the arms in in anything like... Well it's not easy. You have | :47:20. | :47:23. | |
to be vigilant all of the time but I wouldn't equate the security | :47:24. | :47:28. | |
situation in the UK with that in Belgium and we shouldn't give people | :47:29. | :47:30. | |
the impression that it's like that either. I want to bring the audience | :47:31. | :47:36. | |
some new pictures of the suspects. If I can just have a closer look. | :47:37. | :47:46. | |
Just coming into us here. These are photographs of the brothers, the two | :47:47. | :47:52. | |
of the three men photographed at the airport pushing those luggage | :47:53. | :47:56. | |
trolleys, the bombs contained inside their suitcases we are told. These | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
are the latest pictures of the two brothers. Khalid and Brahim Al | :48:01. | :48:10. | |
Bakraoui. Ed Hussain, do you agree with Lord Reid or Baroness | :48:11. | :48:14. | |
Neville-Jones about whether an attack... The Baroness Is right that | :48:15. | :48:19. | |
we can't compare Belgian security responses to the way it's been | :48:20. | :48:22. | |
operating here in the UK. We have been further ahead than most | :48:23. | :48:25. | |
Governments sothe British Government's response hasn't been | :48:26. | :48:28. | |
this countering of extremism that we see in the US or large parts of | :48:29. | :48:34. | |
Europe. This Government and a lot of it under Baroness Neville-Jones was | :48:35. | :48:40. | |
to remove to preventing extremism itself and not waiting for it to get | :48:41. | :48:45. | |
to vale lens. We have won that, but that said, we shouldn't rest on our | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
laurels. Terrorists have to be lucky once and every time, so that risk is | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
there, and whether it's in the UK, whether it was in the US, in France, | :48:55. | :48:59. | |
Germany, none of us are immune from the imminence of this global terror | :49:00. | :49:03. | |
threat. Let's remember, yes, we have been through Paris and we have just | :49:04. | :49:06. | |
gone through Belgium and previously Madrid and London and New York, but | :49:07. | :49:12. | |
this kind of terrorist across Si happens -- atrocity happens almost | :49:13. | :49:19. | |
every day. This is monitored in the centre for geopolitics. At some | :49:20. | :49:28. | |
point this will touch us. Good policing and good intelligence are a | :49:29. | :49:35. | |
huge deal in preventing things happen. I'm note trying to say we | :49:36. | :49:39. | |
are immune but we shouldn't just take the view that somehow we are | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
not going to ever be able to make an effective defence of our security. I | :49:45. | :49:48. | |
do think that we will maintain a very high level of security in this | :49:49. | :49:55. | |
country and our agencies and police need the support of the general | :49:56. | :50:00. | |
community but also obviously of the Muslim communities in which the | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
vital information is actually going to be found. That's another part of | :50:06. | :50:13. | |
the battle against this kind of penetration and the destruction of | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
our values. What does the group Islamic state want? The The group | :50:19. | :50:25. | |
wants to retain its territory but also wants to expand outwards. It's | :50:26. | :50:29. | |
not content with the landmass they've got, they want to continue | :50:30. | :50:33. | |
to broadcast and export its ideaology. It's an ideological | :50:34. | :50:38. | |
entity, too often we overlook the fact this is based on theology and | :50:39. | :50:44. | |
philosophy and it wants to export that among its Muslim populations | :50:45. | :50:49. | |
and it targets those, then outward among non-Muslims in trying to | :50:50. | :50:52. | |
recruit them to the literalist outdated world view. The claim of | :50:53. | :50:56. | |
being a caliphate and having a state is a very great draw at the moment I | :50:57. | :51:00. | |
think and coming under pressure of course in reducing the level of | :51:01. | :51:03. | |
success is in fact something that they feel they need to counter, so | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
they are being more active in a sense outside, you know, because | :51:08. | :51:10. | |
they want to demonstrate they still have power. It's a big battle. | :51:11. | :51:17. | |
Yes. If they kill Muslims in Brussels or Paris or wherever, | :51:18. | :51:20. | |
Turkey, wherever else in Europe, beaches in Tunisia, is that just the | :51:21. | :51:24. | |
way it is, it's still a means to an end for them? For them, the vast | :51:25. | :51:29. | |
majority of Muslims they kill and the vast majority of their victims | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
have been Muslims around the world, they are not Muslim enough and that | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
I think plays to the advantage of all of us that even Muslims aren't | :51:38. | :51:43. | |
Muslim enough for us because they are more Muslim than Muslim, most | :51:44. | :51:50. | |
Muslims reject them because they are extreme and out of fringes of Islam | :51:51. | :51:55. | |
historically and at the moment. It's worth remembering that a good five | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
or six years ago when the Baroness And I worked on these issues, we | :52:00. | :52:04. | |
were talking about a caliphate, an expansion of state and people said | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
we were alarmists. Right now this issue is a generational issue and | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
all of us across civil society, it's not about being Muslim or | :52:13. | :52:16. | |
non-Muslim, it's a common threat to all of us and it shouldn't be | :52:17. | :52:23. | |
divided along left, right, political lines, Brexit or anti-Brexit, it's | :52:24. | :52:27. | |
affecting key cities around the world and it targets Muslims | :52:28. | :52:30. | |
noovened Muslims and we shouldn't fall into their trap by turning on | :52:31. | :52:35. | |
innocent Muslims. Much of the intelligence and countering efforts | :52:36. | :52:41. | |
of the extremists lies within these communities. Thank you very much. | :52:42. | :52:53. | |
As we heard from Ben Brown, Place de la Bourse in Brussels has become the | :52:54. | :53:01. | |
Centre for Tributes for those who died in the attacks. Hoping to bring | :53:02. | :53:06. | |
you some live images in the next few minutes where hundreds of people | :53:07. | :53:08. | |
have been coming to the square to mourn and to reflect using the chalk | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
messages to express themselves, as Ben told us earlier, and also as we | :53:14. | :53:18. | |
saw earlier, getting together, complete strangers, holding hands | :53:19. | :53:24. | |
and raising their arms aloft in a gentle show of defiance, if I can | :53:25. | :53:25. | |
put it like that. I felt so powerless | :53:26. | :53:55. | |
and I wanted to do something. I'm really not afraid... | :53:56. | :54:16. | |
I don't know. Four British people have been | :54:17. | :55:14. | |
declared as being in Belgium at the time of this. We have a read out | :55:15. | :55:18. | |
from the meeting so there were four Brits who were injured. One has been | :55:19. | :55:23. | |
discharged from hospital, she's a woman, the other three who're still | :55:24. | :55:29. | |
in hospital are men. Two I'm told do not have life-threatening injuries, | :55:30. | :55:33. | |
they seem OK, they are in one hospital. The third, there are no | :55:34. | :55:37. | |
details on at the moment. That's not to say he's got life-threatening | :55:38. | :55:41. | |
injuries, but the details haven't been forthcoming. In terms of the | :55:42. | :55:46. | |
missing Briton, David Dixon, Number Ten are saying there is some concern | :55:47. | :55:49. | |
now about him obviously because we are 24 hours on from the bombing, he | :55:50. | :55:53. | |
was thought to be on the Metro on his way to work. You would think he | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
would have been in contact with his partner. His partner has been around | :56:00. | :56:08. | |
the hospitals to see if he's been at the hospitals, the Foreign Office | :56:09. | :56:13. | |
has been trying to do the same. That has to be of some concern. We'll get | :56:14. | :56:18. | |
a minutes' silence in Government departments at 11 then a statement | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
by the Home Secretary in the House of Commons after Prime Minister's | :56:22. | :56:22. | |
Questions. Thank you. The BBC's Secunder Kermani | :56:23. | :56:24. | |
is in Brussels - he has been spending time in Molenbeek, | :56:25. | :56:27. | |
where the chief Paris terror suspect Salah Abdeslam was | :56:28. | :56:30. | |
detained last week. What have you been finding out? The | :56:31. | :56:39. | |
man who has been arrested this morning, Najim Lachraoui, we believe | :56:40. | :56:43. | |
he's been arrested certainly. What is interesting about him and the | :56:44. | :56:47. | |
others is their links seem to go back to the cell behind the Paris | :56:48. | :56:53. | |
attacks, though we are not entirely sure how Najim Lachraoui was stopped | :56:54. | :57:03. | |
at the Hungarian border with one of the people involved in the Paris | :57:04. | :57:08. | |
plots. He was stopped with another man, | :57:09. | :57:12. | |
they were using false identity cards. They used those cards to rent | :57:13. | :57:16. | |
safe houses that were used to prepare for the Paris attacks. The | :57:17. | :57:22. | |
police found his DNA on some of the explosive devices used in the Paris | :57:23. | :57:26. | |
attacks. Then we have the brothers believed to be in the bombings as | :57:27. | :57:32. | |
well and both very interestingly have long criminal pasts which I | :57:33. | :57:35. | |
think more of that will come out today. | :57:36. | :57:39. | |
Thank you very much. We'll continue our coverage of all of the | :57:40. | :57:42. | |
developments after yesterday's bomb attacks in Brussels. Flags are | :57:43. | :57:49. | |
flying at half-mast across Belgium and a minutes' silence is due to be | :57:50. | :57:53. | |
held in the next few minutes which will be observed across the country. | :57:54. | :57:57. | |
Now to Ben Brown in the main square in the capital where all the | :57:58. | :57:59. | |
tributes are. You join us for a special BBC News | :58:00. | :58:14. | |
live | :58:15. | :58:15. |