04/05/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

A year ago many considered him a political joke. Now Donald Trump is

the Republican Party's nominee. It followed a knock-out punch against

his closest rival Ted Cruz leading him to pulling out of the race.

Laura Trevelyan was at the Cruz rally.

Thank you to each of you. Winning again. You will be so proud of this

country, very, very soon. The parents of a two-year-old who

died of meningitis B accused the Government of ignoring their

campaign to protect all under fives with the vaccine. We will be talking

to the parents shortly. David Cameron is being urged again to take

in more children fleeing the war in Syria. This time from a man who was

a child refugee himself. We will talk to him in the next half

an hour. Welcome to the programme,

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at the standard network rate. Our top story today is that

Donald Trump is now all but certain to become the Republican Party's

candidate for US president. His main rival, Ted Cruz,

pulled out of the race last night after losing heavily in the party's

primary election in Mr Cruz told supporters there was no

viable path forward Mr Trump now seems certain to win

a majority of the delegates to the Republican Party's convention

in July, which will officially Laura Trevelyan

reports from Indiana. Thank you to each of

you and God bless you. Indiana is known as the crossroads

of America and so it proved for Ted Cruz's campaign to stop

Donald Trump from becoming Trump's victory in this fiscally

and socially conservative state left Losing here in Indiana

was a devastating blow to Ted Cruz and to the immense disappointment

of his supporters here tonight, We gave it everything we've got,

but the voters chose another path. And so with a heavy heart,

but with boundless optimism, for the long-term future

of our nation, we are We have to know how to win

and we haven't won. We've been losing all the time.

We lose with our military. We can't beat Isis.

We lose with trade. We lose with borders.

We lose with everything. We're not going to lose,

we're going to start winning again In a night of upsets,

Bernie Sanders defeated Hillary Clinton in Indiana,

but she still has a big enough lead in delegates

that she is virtually certain to be Her loss though is a reminder

is a reminder of how she is weak Now Republican leaders are calling

for their divided party to unite behind Donald Trump against Mrs

Clinton. The stage is set for a bruising

battle for the White House. Well, Nick Bryant was at Donald

Trump's rally in New York and says the Republican race is pretty much

over. The chequered flag has been waved by

the chairman of the chairman of the national committee. He is calling

Donald Trump the nominee. He is calling for the party to unite.

Donald Trump's only serious rival, Ted Cruz dropped out. The only

person left is so way behind he stands no chance of getting the

nomination. His only attempt was to force a contested conversion. Donald

Trump will get the delegates he needs. There won't be a contested

convention. He is the nominee. It started here, of course, in Trump

Tower in June last year. People saw him as a big ego with little chance.

Well, he has proved virtually everybody wrong. Indeed, he entered

this atrium at Trump Tower expressing self-doubts about

himself. Telling his wife that he might fall flat on his face. Well,

he didn't fall flat on his face. He has got the Republican presidential

nomination. Nick Bryant reporting.

Joanna Gosling's in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

Canadian authorities have ordered the evacuation of the entire

population of a city in the province of Alberta because

80,000 people have been told to leave, as fires whipped

up by winds engulfed homes and main roads,

and sent ash raining down on residents.

The wildfires spread quickly and without warning causing traffic

chaos and quickly entering the city of Fort McMurray, not far

from the oilfields in the western province of Alberta.

Dry conditions and winds suddenly fanned the flames into what one fire

The traffic gridlock at times made it difficult at times

The traffic gridlock at times made it difficult

for fire services to get to where they needed to.

An entire trailer park was destroyed as were several houses.

And patients and staff were forced out of Fort

It's a disaster. It's not fair.

They didn't let us take our things when we asked them.

Fire crews dropped water bombs from above, but with little effect.

The military is expected to join the fight against the flames.

It's the largest wildfire evacuation in the Canadian province's history.

Briar Stewart is a reporter with the Canadian broadcaster

CBC in Fort McMurray, and has been forced

It is started really this afternoon. Thick black smoke as the fire just

grew so rapidly and it is a very hot day here today. It was about 30

Celsius and it was windy. So officials knew that today was going

to be a challenging day, but the fire chief told me he didn't expect

anything like this. It was about mid-afternoon that the winds just

whipped up the fire. The fire went over highway 63 which is the main

thoroughfare and because it crossed the highway, it made it very

difficult for people who were trying to get from one side of the city to

another. People really started to understand just how things were

deteriorating and so dramatically when they started seeing, you know,

gas stations explode and saw the flames just right along the side of

the highway. That's when the massive evacuation began and it was gridlock

there for sometime as people tried to get out of the city. A lot of

people headed south towards the city of Edmonton, but there are some that

headed north and they're staying at some lodges that normally

houseworkers that work in the oil sands, but tonight, they are housing

evacuees. The court ruled the new EU directive

on ta bobbing kae products is valid. The UK Government will be able to

introduce plain packaging for all tobacco products from the end of

May. We will have more on that later in the programme.

The Labour Party is facing more criticism over its handling

of alleged anti-Semitism within its ranks.

Has a "severe problem" and warns in an article in the Daily Telegraph

that it will get worse if the recently announced inquiry

into the issue was used as "sticking plaster" to placate voters.

Southern Health NHS Trust is investigating an abusive answer

phone message left for a mother whose son died while in its care.

Sara Ryan has been campaigning for changes in the trust since her son.

Sara Ryan has been campaigning for changes in the trust since her son

Connor Sparrowhawk drowned in a bath at one of its units in Oxfordshire.

A woman who claimed she worked for the mental health provider

called Dr Ryan's office on the day that the regulator,

the Care Quality Commission issued a report criticising the Trust.

This is the message that was left. It is awful that I lost him. I think

that you are being very vindictive. You are a vindictive cow. You are on

TV all the time. The Trust says it is concerned about

the abusive phone call. David Cameron's facing more pressure

to accept an additional 3,000 unaccompanied child

refugees from Syria. A personal appeal has been

made by Sir Eric Reich, who chairs a group of former Jewish

refugees who were allowed into the UK on the so-called

Kindertransport on the eve Ministers argue that offering

sanctuary to lone children could result in more falling

into the hands of traffickers. Our assistant political editor

Norman Smith is at Westminster. How much pressure is the Government

under over this, Norman? Intense pressure Joanna and there is a lot

of expectation here that Mr Cameron will have to back down. Pressure

compounded by this letter from the association of Jewish refugees

urging Mr Cameron to show compassion and stressing that child refugees

are not a burden on the State they come to, he cites the chinter

children many of whom have settle here and become prominent business

leaders and famous writers and artists and urging Mr Cameron to

adopt the same approach to Syrian refugees. Now, this afternoon, the

Home Office Minister, James Brokenshire will meet Conservative

rebels around 30 of whom are threatening to vote against Mr

Cameron when this comes to the Commons on Monday to try and hammer

out some deal and the compromise Mr Cameron appears to be looking at is

beefing up the existing rules whereby refugee children can ask for

asylum in Britain, if they've got relatives here. And what the

Government seem to be proposing is, making sure that that is done more

speedily and swiftly, that more resources are thrown in processing

that, so more children get to come and relaxing the rules so you can

come in if a member of your extended family is here. The doubts remain

though whether that will be anywhere near enough to satisfy Mr Cameron's

critics and avoid defeat in that vote on Monday. Thank you, Norman.

Police have begun digging in the garden of a couple

who were friends with serial killers Fred and Rose West in the 1980s.

David and Pauline Williams were jailed last year for a series

of offences against ten boys and girls including rape,

Officers say they began the investigation of the couple's

home in the village of Bradninch, in Devon, after a tip-off.

People in the Cornish town of St Ives will decide today

whether to back a plan to prevent non-residents buying

The area's popularity has seen property prices more

Many residents say they've been priced out of the market.

The new neighbourhood plan would prevent new build property

from being sold to anyone who doesn't live in the town.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

Here's some sport now with Jessica, and it isn't

Sorry Leicester fans, there is other football news around today!

Manchester City are on the brink of their first Champions League final.

They've got 90 minutes of football to play yet,

but a score-draw is all they need against Real Madrid to make

history at the Bernabeu, after the nil-nil draw last week.

City will have to contend with Cristiano Ronaldo,

of course, who has been passed fit to play.

I don't think Real Madrid just has Cristiano Ronaldo. They have other

options. The most important thing is we have our mind thinking that we

must defend and attacking, not against Cristiano Ronaldo, but

against Real Madrid. And City already know who they'll

opponents will be if they win. Even though Atletico lost

to Bayern Munich last night, they're Antoine Griezemann with

the crucial strike. It is just 48 hours after Leicester

City's historic Premier League title. And their boss, Claudio

Ranieri, had to issue a hands off my champs warning to other clubs on the

Times, "Leave and you'll regret it." Here they are, still

jumping, still celebrating. Ranieri is expecting offers

from top clubs around Europe for his newly crowned champions,

but wants his players to stay at the club and continue the hard

work they've put in. I feel good. It was an amazing

achievement for me, for the lads, for the chairman, for our fans.

Something special. I want to stay here for a long time. We had the

project. We want to continue this project. I know the next season, it

will be harder, but we are ready to fight. We are fighters.

He's beaten Radek Stepanek in three sets at the Madrid Masters.

It wasn't exactly plain sailing

He took the first set on a tie break, then lost the second

But Stepanek faded in the third set and Murray goes

The Olympic flame has arrived in Brazil for the start of a torch

relay around the country before the opening of the

The flame was flown to the capital Brasilia inside a small lantern

The torch will be carried through 300 cities before

Can you believe it, Victoria, just 93 days until the start of the

Games? It just seems like dwred when it was London 2012.

Thank you very much, Jessica. More sport later on.

We will also bring you a full weather forecast before 10am.

The parents of a toddler who died from meningitis B have hit out

at the Government for "flippantly ignoring" their campaign to protect

This pictures shows two-year-old Faye Burdett before she died.

Her mum and dad, Jen and Neil Burdett, shared photos

of her fighting for her life to raise awareness of the illness.

The next image is upsetting and you may not want your children

This photo showing Faye with a painful rash went viral.

An e-petition calling for all children,

not just babies, to be vaccinated from the disease

became the biggest ever, supported by over 800,000 people.

But ministers rejected their campaign as not cost-effective.

Let's speak now to Jen and Neil Burdett.

Why do you feel that the Government has flippantly ignored the campaign?

To tell you the truth, I'm not too sure, because we feel a lot of

evidence was given, and a lot of people back to us from MPs to the

professionals, but for some reason, the answer they game that -- gave

the end of all that was the same as the one they gave at the beginning?

Do you think that they didn't listen, then? It would seem that

way. If you took all the evidence that was given like a courtroom, the

amount of evidence, the amount of support it got to give the vaccine,

they just don't seem to have listened to any of it. It is cheaper

for them to not give the vaccine and allow the programme to naturally

roll-out for the next five years, the vaccination of inference, which

would mean that in five years, all children up to the age of five are

vaccinated. But it is just the call of how many people have to be maimed

and die before that happens. It is too many. We think that for the

process that it went through, they had professionals, they had asked

us, everybody we spoke to agreed that the under fives should be

protected. They are the most vulnerable group, the group that

can't speak for themselves, they can't express or communicate what

they are feeling going through. And as we found, medical professions

struggled to diagnose it, it hides itself well, disguised as other

viruses. We just felt that they are left so vulnerable, the only thing

that you can do is to vaccinate them, that is the best protection.

It is pretty stinging criticism from you. Do you feel angry, let down,

how do you feel? Frustrated. We use the system that is put in place by

the Government to voice everyone's opinion, and let them know what

everyday people want and think, we use the system to its best ability,

with the best petition that ever has been raised, and still it seemed

like they were dotting their is and crossing their ts. From the amount

of professionals that seemed to agree, we just don't understand how

they could have looked at all of that evidence and still said no. How

cost-effective is a child's life? But that is what they did, and what

they are doing instead is launching an awareness campaign. Which

Meningitis Now have been doing for 30 years, and asked putting our

daughter's photograph Alt there did amazing awareness programme just

because they saw what it can do, and the Government isn't just doing a

Meningitis B programme, it is going to be a variation of programmes, so

it is not specific to just our cause,... And the amount of what

awareness we have raised already, and Meningitis Now continue to do

theirs, we don't think this is enough. There is a vaccine, and it

needs to be used for the most vulnerable. That was our driving

force behind this. Is part of the issue from your own experience that

it is difficult to diagnose? Hugely pro-. And the medical profession

agree with that. They have perhaps ten children coming in like Faye,

and nine of them have a viral infection, but it is the one that

doesn't that it is destroying. And Faye was misdiagnosed initially by

Dr? Yes, it was initially treated as a viral infection, and as parents we

had never seen it, so after seeing three doctors, you take that as that

is what is wrong with her. She is just ill. And if you have a healthy

child, you have seen three doctors, you tend to believe them. Of course

you do. There is nothing else you can do. But this as we saw from the

photos you shared with people, this is an illness that rapidly can

consume the child. Yes, and that is the problem, if it is misdiagnosed,

as soon as the child becomes unwell, the clock starts ticking, and you

don't have time to go backwards and forwards to your GP or the hospital.

It needs to be seen, treated and dealt with just a slowdown the

destruction of it, because children can survive this, but it is how they

are left afterwards as well. It isn't just the children who die. We

brought that up in the debate, the joint vaccination committee on

immunisations, they said again if you look at it in terms of America

when there is a suspected case, they take blood samples, they start

treatment, if the blood comes back clear, they stop the treatment. Even

they agreed if we adopted that in this country, you might as well

vaccinate, because the amount of money it is going to cost to start

treatment, to get a quick lot of blood Diamond back again,

vaccination would be cheaper. And when you savour those who do

survive, it is what happens afterwards, what you are referring

to is that children can lose limbs, and you didn't feel that the cost of

the NHS care after when a child survives is taken into account? Not

effectively. They have a strange deduction system put in place, and

that is what we would try to get them to look at, if they change

that, it would be cost-effective, and lots of people have come forward

and said it would be cost-effective. But again it is spending money to

get them to look at it again, they don't feel it is worth it. They did

mention that there was a report from the JVC I coming out in September,

which is what the MPs told us after the debate, and they are hoping that

in that, there is recommendation is to change that formula, to take it

into account, the longer spell of disability that will be after, and

if they change that, that would make it cost-effective. Can I ask you

both about the decision you took at the end of Faye's life? We both knew

quite early on when we found out that there was a vaccination to stop

this happening, we both felt straightaway... We didn't know about

it, it was something that had been out for six or seven months it had

been available, and we didn't have a clue. That there was even a vaccine

out there. So straightaway, we knew that people should know that there

is a vaccine, and if you want to pay privately, you can go and do that.

But we felt that not everybody can afford to go privately to do it,

because it is expensive, and if you have two or three children, how do

you choose what child you vaccinate? And because of the decision we made

at the end of Faye's life, we never, ever want to imagine another family

having to make the decision that we did. No parent should decide whether

the kindest thing to do is to allow your child to die, because it caught

a disease which it could be vaccinated against. That drove us

forward, because we thought, we have to make people aware that you just

can't ever imagine being put in that position, and you want to protect

others from going through the same thing. So where does your campaign

go now? We stress that people need to be vigilant of the signs. That is

always the top priority. But also to listen to how you feel. If your

child is an well to a degree that has never been that ill before, and

you to a GP or paediatric octave, and they send you home, and your gut

instinct says, this isn't right, from somebody who isn't that

forceful, I say, you must push. You must ask the second opinions,

because at the end of the day, time is of the essence. If you feel that

your child is so out of character, you have to speak for them, because

sadly, the doctors can't always diagnose this like they should. You

can get cards from doctors surgeries, hospitals, schools,

nurseries, and they have all the symptoms in there, the cold hands,

the headaches, not wanting to be touched. Don't wait for the rash.

And even if none of those symptoms are there, trust your own instincts

and get them help. Because of our daughter only been two, people need

to be aware that not just babies, toddlers but young children,

teenagers, adult, we try to protect the youngest, because they have the

highest fatality now, but if your teenager looks unwell and start

acting strange, you have to do the same. And you could lose someone

within 12 hours from this disease, it is horrendous. Thank you both

very much for coming on the show. All the best with the campaign.

Thank you. We got in touch with

the Department of Health. they've asked Public Health England

to develop a new national awareness campaign to help parents spot signs

of dangerous infections like meningitis,

sepsis and septicemia. They said they'd be working closely

with charities and clinical experts to make this as effective

as possible and to roll this out They also acknowledged that whilst

nothing can make up for the loss of a child, this new campaign

will build on the awareness already raised by the family who have

bravely spoken out about David Cameron's facing more pressure

to accept an additional 3,000 unaccompanied child

refugees from Syria. A personal appeal has been

made by Sir Eric Reich, who chairs a group of former Jewish

refugees who were allowed into the Ministers argue that offering

sanctuary to lone children could result in more falling

into the hands of traffickers. Chantler George Osborne says that

discussions are ongoing. Discussions are ongoing, and that is why we are

taking people from the refugee camps, and working with others, with

charities, with other political parties, talking to people about

what we can do to help the unaccompanied children as well. We

are already providing financial support. So those discussions will

go on, and you will hear what we have got to say in due course. Let's

talk now to Sir Eric Reich, who came as a refugee is a child in 1944 from

Nazi occupied Europe. Tell us what you have said in your appeal to

David Cameron. My main appeal is that they are

unaccompanied children, they are in Europe, and Mr Cameron thinks they

are safe, but they are not. They hide in woods, they hide from

authorities, the girls are raped, they are in trafficking, all kinds

of things, and 10,000 children have been lost, nobody knows where they

are, so they are not safe. And my view is, given that I came on what

was then called the Kindertransport, Britain should help a little bit

more. Are you thinking about numbers? I don't think numbers is a

criteria here, because you put a number there, you never know if you

can achieve it, if you go over or what. It is just the help that was

required in 1938 /39 when 10,000 children came, it is a parallel, but

it is not exactly the same, because the parents were not allowed to

come, whereas here, it is slightly different, and I'm sure a few people

would get through who were not proper refugees. So what? That is

the way I would put it. We are saving children from the abomination

that is happening to them in Europe. Tell our audience a little bit more

about your own circumstances when you were little boy. I was born in

Vienna, the youngest of three boys, and how it all started was that the

Polish government, not the Austrians or Germans, decided that all Jews

living outside Poland, and there were many, because they had run

away, had to come back to revalidate their passports. The Nazis thought

it was a wonderful idea. They chucked out back to the border, I

don't know quite how many, but at least 5000 families, amongst the

mine. And amongst the people there that were chucked out was a guy

whose son was studying in Paris. He was so incensed, and remember this

was before the war, he went to the German Embassy and shot the German

consul. This triggered off Kristalnacht, the

night of the broken glass. It would have happened anyway. So they try to

change the rules to allow Jews to coming, but the actual speech was

made by Mr Noel Baker, a Quaker, and sometime in November 1938, he

suggested to the government that they allow up to 10,000 children in,

up to the age of 17, into the UK. Now, I must emphasise that the

community in the UK were very, very positive. There were a lot of people

against it, as they are today, but there was no television, and there

wasn't an immediate response, so these children, I must again also

emphasise that a survey that we did, they contributed enormous amounts to

England, to the United Kingdom. Two Nobel Prize winners, three players

from the Amadeus Quartet, there were famous people, people who

contributed back to the country that they now call their home, and I call

my home. And myself, I was too young, if you remember all of the

children were evacuated just before the war, I arrived with my middle

brother in August 1939, the 29th of August 1939, very late. Where was

your older brother? He came a bit earlier. He is now in Australia, but

that is another story. I was too young to go to school. They were all

evacuated, they went to the Jewish free school, which was in the east

end Ben, and they were evacuated to Ely.

I was sent to Dorking in Surrey. There was a composer and he had a

guy called EM Foster, not bad. A bit of research that I did, also

suddenly unveiled that William' great-uncle was Charles Darwin. So

there time from Eastern Europe and I'm in amongst the middle-class and

upper middle-class of the British society. Anyway, I was sent to a

refugee home in Dorking in survey. As I said the chairman was a man

called Mr Williams. All the families there were Jewish except wurpks they

were refugees from check low Slovakia. They fostered me. So for a

period of time, I went to church, I went to Sunday School, I did these

lovely things. In a way, it has given me if you if like a different

prospective of life. Can I ask you Sir Eric, it feels like pressure is

building on David Cameron to change the proposals and it sounds like

that's going to happen. Change the proposals so that 3,000

unaccompanied children can come if they have relatives here. Is that

going to be enough for people like you? I don't think solicitor. I

think they should just say 3,000 kids should come in. I don't want to

put a number on it. I just think we should be a bit more, you know, it

reminds me, I must tell you, it stayed with me, it will stay with me

my entire life. At the celebrations of the 70th anniversary, we invited

as the guest speaker, Prince Charles. He came. He gave a very

short speech at the end. He gave it to about 500 kinder, all in their

early 80s because now it is nearly the 80th anniversary, but that's

another story. At the very end he said, "I'm so pleased that the

British Government of the time allowed you in. You've contributed

so much that I'm proud to be British. ." That is the difference.

Yes. Yes. Well, we will see what happens, but thank you very much for

talking to us. Thank you. It is a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you for

coming on the programme, Sir Erich Reich. Get in touch on that story if

you want to. Tobacco companies have lost

a European court bid challenging the UK's plans to introduce plain

packaging for cigarettes. We'll hear the arguments

for and against. Will Britain be safer staying

in the European Union Joanna Gosling's in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary The US billionaire, Donald Trump

is now almost certain to win the Republican

presidential nomination after his main rival, Ted Cruz,

withdrew from the race Mr Cruz said losing the Indiana

primary meant he could no longer see Tobacco companies have lost

a challenge to the Government's plans to enforce plain packing

on all tobacco products The court has ruled that the new EU

directive on tobacco is valid. The Labour Party's facing more

criticism over its handling of alleged anti-Semitism

within its ranks. Britain's top Rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis,

says Labour has a "severe problem" and warns in an article

in the Daily Telegraph that it will get worse if the recently

announced inquiry into the issue was used as "sticking

plaster" to placate voters. Southern Health NHS Trust

is investigating an abusive answer phone message left for a mother

whose son died while in its care. Sara Ryan has been campaigning for

changes in the trust since her son Connor Sparrowhawk drowned in a bath

at one of its units in Oxfordshire. A woman who claimed she worked

for the mental health provider called Dr Ryan's office

on the day that the regulator, the Care Quality Commission issued

a report criticising the Trust. David Cameron's facing more pressure

to accept an additional 3,000 unaccompanied child

refugees from Syria. A personal appeal has been

made by Sir Eric Reich - who chairs a group of former Jewish

refugees who were allowed into the UK on the so-called

Kindertransport on the eve Ministers argue that offering

sanctuary to lone children could result in more falling

into the hands of traffickers. Mr Cameron thinks they're safe, but

they're not. They hide in woods. They hide from authorities. They are

raped, the girls. They are in trafficking. There are all kinds of

things and 10,000 children have been lost. Nobody knows where they are.

Police have begun digging in the garden of a couple

who were friends with serial killers Fred and Rose West in

David and Pauline Williams were jailed last year for a series

of offences against ten boys and girls, including rape,

Officers say they began the investigation of the couple's

home in the village of Bradninch, in Devon, after a tip-off.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

It is time for the sport now and here is Jessica.

Manchester are 90 minutes from their first Champions League final.

They'll have to get past ten times winners Real Madrid and Christiano

The striker has been passed fit to play in tonight's

City already know who their opponents will be

Even though Atletico lost to Bayern Munich last night,

they're through to the final on away goals.

Antoine Griezemann with the crucial strike.

It's been less than 48-hours since Leicester City's historic

Premier League title win and their manager Claudio Ranieri

has already had to send out a "hands off" warning to other

Ranieri is expecting offers from around Europe, but wants his

newly crowned champions to stay at the club and continue the hard

And Andy Murray is back to winning ways.

He's beaten Radek Stepanek in three sets at the Madrid Masters,

so the world number two goes through to the third round.

That's all the sport for now. I will vl an update for you at 10am.

The European Court of Justice refused a challenge from two big

tobacco companies ruling that the new, EU directive on tobacco

products is valid. There are plans to introduce plain packaging for all

tobacco products from the end of this month. OK, explain in plain

English. Well, this is complicated litigation. So there is a European

directive that governs things like the packaging of cigarette products.

And what it says is for instance that 65% of the packet has to

display a warning, whether that be in writing or whether that be those

grisly photographs that you see of lung damage. What was being argued

here by the tobacco companies was that when individual member states

within the EU seeking to beyond that directive, in other words, to impose

plain packaging on cigarettes, that is unlawful and that it infringes

their right to freely move goods around Europe because if you have

got a pack that's got the logo, the branding on, that's for sale in

Italy, but as soon as it gets to the UK, plain packaging has to be

imposed on it. Then that prevents the free movement of those goods.

That was what was at the heart of this challenge. This morning, the

European Court of Justice has said no, it ruled against the tobacco

companies. It said it is valid. Member states are entitled to bring

in plain packaging. It is currently being brought in in the UK, France

and Ireland also are intending to do so. So as you say, this brings plain

packaging a step closer. I should just say that there is litigation in

the UK courts where the companies are trying to stop plain packaging

through a different route. They are saying, "You, the UK, can't simply

deny us our intellectual property." If you take the Marlborough rooftop,

they say that's intellectual property worth $1 billionment they

are seeking through that route. We should get a judgement in the next

couple of weeks on that one, but the UK court was keen for the European

Court of Justice to make this ruling first. You're right, plain packaging

a step closer today. OK, thank you very much, Clive. Let's talk to a

smoker and also we will hear from cancer council Victoria, to get

evidence from Australia where they introduced plain packaging in

December 2012. How long have you been smoking?

Since my teenage days. Do you think it would have had any effect on

whether you picked up a cigarette or not? I don't think so. I think this

is where the heart of the issue s it is focussed on the effect that it

has on young people and churn and it actually denies the rights of adults

to smoke if they want to. How does it deny the right of adults to

smoke? I imposing plain packaging and all the gross photos that we

have at the moment, it says that the State has a role in nudging people a

certain way and the Government has a role in convincing people to not

smoke when I don't see that's its business at all. It doesn't deny you

the right to smoke if the packaging is plain? Mpl it is the principle in

saying there should be a nudge. You shouldn't be doing this, look at the

package of the horrible lungs. You shouldn't be doing this when people

should have the freedom to smoke if they want or not. They do? It is

making more difficult. It is behind shutters and all sorts of things

imposed on smokers and I have no great love for big tobacco

companies, I think it should be no business of the State whether I

smoke or drink or eat fatty foods. Yes. Even though it cost the lung

cancer and other smoking related illnesses cost the NHS a fortune? I

don't see the NHS as having a role in nudging people. The NHS and you

know, medical services is to help people not to tell people how to

live their lives. So I really reject that idea. Do you, even though it

costs a fortune and if people didn't smoke in the first place, the money

could be spent on something else? Smoking, I really enjoy smoking and

it has been, you know, a large proportion of the population smoke

and to just suddenly say that we shouldn't or we should change our

lives for this reason is unreasonable. It is reducing the

numbers are reducing, aren't they, of smokers? Slightly, not so much as

they make out. Let's talk to our guests then from Cancer Council. I

don't have your name. Can you introduce yourself. Good morning.

I'm the manager of tobacco control policy at the Cancer Council in

Melbourne in Australia. You are the organisation monitoring whether

plain panelling is working in Australia. It was introduced, I

think, December 2012. Has it worked? That's correct. Sure. Actually there

are a number of organisations monitoring what is working and in

particular the Australian Government. The Australian

Government released the report in February this year that showed that

plain packaging is absolutely working. It is working to meet the

objectives of the plain packaging Act and it had a significant impact

on reducing smoking rates in Australia. So that's a great public

health win. Significant in what way? How much has it come down by since

it was introduced? Smoking rates deceased from 15.1% in 2010 to 12.8%

in 2013. That is the biggest drop we have seen in around 20 years in

Australia. And the review showed that plain packaging was responsible

for around a quarter of that large drop. So... Sorry, it was from 15%

to what did you say just to be clear? 12.8%. Is that really

significant? If only a quarter was down to plain packaging?

Yeah, absolutely. Smoking rates drop slowly. So significantly

statistically and so that's a 2% drop over that period. So that

certainly a great outcome. As I said, that's the biggest drop we

have seen in a three year period in 20 years.

But a quarter of that is down to plain packaging, so something else

is working better? Not necessarily. Plain packaging was never meant to

be a magic answer, it was always said it would be part of the

comprehensive range of measures. So in Australia, we have had tax

increases, campaigns on televisions, plain packaging, so that

comprehensive approach is what is needed to drive down smoking rates.

Some people have been impacted I plain packaging, certainly younger

people have, and many smokers have quit as a result, but no country can

rely on one thing. Ella, you are shaking your head in, disagreement?

What are you thinking is Kylie is telling us about this drop-in

smoking? It is not a significant drop, and the important thing is

that everybody knows smoking is bad for you. You cannot be under the

impression that anybody doesn't know. We are safe in the knowledge

that people who are smoking know that it is bad for them, and are

making that conscious choice as adults, the same way that having

four chocolate bars in a day is bad for you, sometimes I just want to do

it. It is allowing people to make that free choice, and what these

campaigns do is try to remove that by saying to people, there is a

certain way we should live our lives, and people like me absolutely

reject that. Kylie, very quickly, go for it. I think it is really

disingenuous to claim that smokers have a free choice. Many smokers are

very addicted to the product, nicotine is incredibly addictive,

80% of smokers want to quit, so there is not a lot of free choice

left when you edit it to a highly dip product. Thank you, both of you.

A couple of messages. Steve says plain packaging is daft, but he

doesn't blame why. Charlotte says she can't understand why anyone

would smoke, but don't forget the amount of tax paid on every pack.

James says, Winnie affects of lung cancer have such huge effects on the

NHS, the state does have a role to nudge people.

The countdown is on to the EU referendum vote.

On June the 23rd, you'll decide whether you want Britain to leave

In the run up, we've hopefully been guiding you through a relevant

issue every week, in plain English, because some of the terms

and language being used by campaigners can be obscure

So far we've covered the economy, jobs and immigration.

This week we're looking at national security.

Will Britain be safer stayingin the European Union

Here's our political guru Norman Smith, from College Green

Welcome to an absolutely beautiful day in Westminster, sun-kissed we

are today. So, national security. I guess for the past 70 years in

Europe we have enjoyed relative peace apart from the conflict in the

Balkans. But is that peace because of the European Union, or is the

European Union completely irrelevant to all that? Let's take a look at

some of the facts and figures first off about how much military muscle

we actually have if we wanted to stand alone. Here is our British

Bulldog, doesn't look much like a bulldog, but bear with. What sort of

bite does he have? We are nuclear power, one of the very few countries

in the world which has its own nuclear deterrent. Second, we spend

around 2% of our national income on defence, which frankly is more than

any other EU country, and lastly, we have around 195,000 soldiers,

sailors, airmen and women. We are a sizeable fighting force. So what

happens if our British Bulldog becomes a Brexit bulldog and leaves

his Gozi you can all? -- leaves his cosy EU kennel. Leave voters say

that it would give us more control over our borders, and top spies say

that our intelligence may be more secure because we don't have to

share it with 27 other European countries. Lastly, we are member of

Nato, and that is the reason they say that we have really been secure,

nothing to do with the European Union. And the Ukip leader Nigel

Farage argues that even if we leave, we can still cooperate over

intelligence and defence with other European countries. Should countries

share information to fight international terrorism? Yes. The

country we share information with most closely is the USA, but nobody

is proposing we have to become the 51st state to make that work.

Outside the European Union, we can still call operate with our European

friends, and Interpol has been around since the 1920s. Nation state

should cooperate. But what happens if our Brexit all dog decides to

stay in his kennel? The Remain campaigners say partnerships are

critical to defence, and we can cooperate over military planning,

intelligence gathering, fighting terrorism. Secondly, our top allies

from around the world, countries like Australia, New Zealand, France,

they have all said that international security would be

destabilised if we left the European Union. And lastly, there is the

Putin factor. The fear that the only person who really wants to see

Britain leave and PE you possibly to break up is President Putin, because

he would view that as an advantage, and that is a real security risk to

Britain. And President Obama has for a long time now warned that if

written leaves, not only is the special relationship made altogether

more wobbly, but our client in the world will be reduced. Having the

United Kingdom in the European Union gives us much greater confidence

about the strength of the transatlantic union. And is part of

the cornerstone of institutions built after World War II that has

made the world safer and more prosperous. And we want to make sure

that the United Kingdom continues to have that influence. It is one of

the big, big issues. I guess you can put it alongside the economy,

immigration, national security, do people feel safer being part of the

European Union or actually think we would be a lot better on our own? It

is one of the key decisions in this referendum. Thank you, Norman.

We now speak to the Government's Minister for the Armed Forces, Penny

Baroness Pauline Neville-Jones, a former Minister of State

for Security and Counter Terrorism, who wants you to vote to stay in.

Welcome to both of you. Pauline Neville-Jones, would Britain let in

more potential terrorists if it remains inside the EU or leaves? The

decision on who comes into this country is a British decision.

Contrary to what the Leave campaigners say, we do have control

of our borders in that it is our decision, and if we do let people

in, it is because there has been a failure of our controls, it is not

an EU failure. So it depends crucially on how informed we are

about people coming in, and the way we get information is increasingly

through police cooperation, and the police are very important in all of

this. What you need to have is the information coming in from other

countries about who is moving about, and when they get to your border, if

you have that information, you can stop them. My concern is that if we

leave, it isn't that people will suddenly Carter Sorloth, but we will

have to renegotiate all of those agreements, -- it isn't the people

will suddenly cut us all off. Iain Duncan Smith said Britain would be

more exposed to the Paris style terror attacks if it stays in the

EU, and his logic was this, he says other EU countries could give

passports to individuals, allowing them then to travel freely to the

UK, because Britain as members of the EU has to accept the free

movement of people. The keyword there is that they will be able to

travel freely, Britain has the right and duty to stop criminals and

terrorists entering the country, and we have the border controls to do

that. So there is no way in which we can say that we are obliged to get

these people in, and so when we do, it is because one of two things,

either there has been an intelligence failure, a corporation

failure, or they have committed an act when they have got here that you

couldn't have predicted. And lots of criminals from other countries do

this. It isn't uniquely European. Penny mordant, what Pauline

Neville-Jones says, what David Cameron, your boss says, is that EU

membership is vital for fighting terrorism, because we can share

information and intelligence, we can share data. Is there any evidence

Britain would be safer outside the EU? I think there is. First of all,

defence and security arrangements which are of value would endure if

we left the U. How do you know that? They are open all ready to nonmember

State and Nato, so we could still cooperate, and I think it is crazy

to say that France or Germany or any other EU member would put its own

citizens at risk and hours out of spite. I think that what is valued,

the operational cooperation that actually keeps us safe, will endure.

The issue that I take issue with on what Pauline has said is that we

have some control over our borders certainly, and are in a better

position than other EU member states, but we don't have full

control, so we have to apply different thresholds of evidence

when we are concerned about an individual whether they come from

outside the EU or whether they come from a member state, and at the

moment, Europol estimates we have about 5000 Daesh trained fighters in

Europe, but there are potentially more coming. We have accession

countries... So why would we let those in? Because you have to apply

a different level of evidence to those coming from the EU. If they

have a EU passport, even if you might have deep suspicions about how

they obtained it, you cannot apply the same thresholds but we would do

to someone coming from outside the EU. I am looking at the rules now.

You can block people coming in even with a EU passport on the grounds of

public security, policy or health. It is a different thresholds. No,

that's it. There was a ruling in 2014 which basically says that the

threshold we have to apply to those people has to be serious and

present... That is after ten years, don't mislead people. That is not

true. We have to apply a different thresholds. If we had full control

over our borders, we would apply the same threshold, and what this is

resulting in is a huge strain on our security services because if we have

sketchy information but we are concerned about someone, we cannot

prevent them coming in, we would be in breach of our requirements. I

don't think you are right, but I am prepared to go and check again after

the programme, and please do check yourself as well, I think you are

misleading people. The former head of MI6 said Britain would not be any

less safe or secure if we vote to leave. I read Richard Dearlove's

peace, and he is quite right about Nato, which is the mainstay of our

defence. But he is not right when he misses the fact that when we applied

pressure on Putin, what was our result on him taking over the

Crimea? It was economic. Those sanctions were inside the EU. It is

a partner to hard security, so wouldn't we want to be there?

Wouldn't we want to make sure that those sanctions were the right ones,

that the City wasn't unfairly treated, that they were balanced? So

it is important for us to have the EU power alongside the Nato power.

He also went on to say correctly that our relationship between the

intelligence agencies is bilateral, quite true. But I don't myself

believe that these bilateral corporative relationships, which are

very important to us, are somehow totally unaffected by the context in

which they are operating, and as I said right at the beginning, the

police matter to us a very great deal, not just in terms of this, and

Richard didn't talk about that at all, and that is becoming a key

element. A final thought to you, your boss, the Prime Minister, the

Foreign Secretary, the Defence Secretary, 12 former British defence

chiefs, the general secretary of Nato, all say that Britain is more

safe remaining in the EU. Why should we believe you, Boris Johnson, Nigel

Farage, Michael Gove and Priti Patel? This is our security

minister, the Home Secretary has raised concerns... Your boss

disagrees with you! There is a big long list of former heads of CIA,

former heads of MI6, while they should listen to us is we are

concerned about the operational security. Certainly no head of state

is going to go up and challenge our Prime Minister on what he says. They

have a political stake in ensuring good relationships. What I am

concerned about is the operational ability to keep our nation safe, and

what that requires is for us to take back full control of our borders. It

also means we need to ensure that the relationships we depend upon

with our partners on intelligence sharing are not being undermined by

EU rules, which is currently what is happening, and I would stress again,

we are not suggesting the UK is moved to the Arctic Circle. We want

to cooperate with Europe. Correctly that is extremely difficult because

through projects like a pan-European intelligence agency or EU army, we

are spending effort and resources on things which make no difference to

our operational capabilities at this critical time when we are facing

huge terrorist threat, all eyes and all our resources should be

protecting our borders and what is actually go to physically keep our

nation safe. Thank you both for coming on the

programme. It is your choice. Still to come,

Donald Trump is been touching distance of winning the Republican

nomination for the White House. Now the weather. Good morning. This

morning some of us got off to a beautiful start. There is a lot of

sunshine around. For some, there is some rain. Some of that getting into

Northern Ireland. You can see whiter cloud, that's associated with the

weather front introducing the rain and behind it, or just in front of

it, there is a bit more cloud coming in across Northern Ireland, Scotland

and Northern England. But a lot of that at this stage is high cloud. So

the further east that you are, the sunnier the conditions will be. But

as the rain comes in, windy conditions around it too. The cloud

will thicken. So through the afternoon for England and Wales, it

will remain dry and sunny. However, for Northern Ireland and Scotland,

we have the rain very slowly progressing southwards and

eastwards. So still the further east that you are, the brighter the skies

in both Scotland's and Northern Ireland. For Northern England, a wee

bit more fair-weather cloud, so the sunshine hazy for the rest of

England and Wales, it will be a beautiful afternoon. Temperatures

16, 17, and possibly 18 Celsius. Along the coasts, there will be a

sea breeze. Temperatures here will be less. Through the evening and

overnight period, there will be clear skies. So it will chilly in

rural areas. Not as cold as it was this morning however. Our weak

weather front will push across Southern Scotland and Northern

England. Vow deucing more cloud and rain. We've got another weather

front coming in across the north-west later. It will introduce

rain too. As you can see from the squeeze on the isobars, across the

north-west of Scotland, it will be pretty windy. Touching gale force at

times. Move away from those areas, we are back into the sunshine,

mostly dry conditions. Temperatures continuing to creep up. So we're up

to 20 Celsius on Thursday. But the temperatures will continue to climb

as we head on through Friday and into the weekend. So for Friday,

itself, a lot of dry weather around. Some showers skirting across parts

of Scotland. Temperatures ten in the north, fur' stuck under that, to 22

Celsius in the south. And we'll start to see some mist and fog

lapping off-shore across parts of the north-east of England and

Eastern Scotland. Now, by the time we get to Friday and Saturday, you

can see what's happening. We've got this low pressure coming up Friday

night and into Saturday. It will introduce rain. Primarily into the

west and possibly into the north. The positioning of this could

change. And then behind it, there will be showers, but equally, there

will be a lot of sunshine with highs up to 23 Celsius and by the time we

get to Sunday, again a lot of dry weather. Some showers are possible.

They could be thundery, but wait until you see the temperatures

coming up. The temperatures are going to continue to climb

particularly so in the south, 24 Celsius and possibly even 25 Celsius

and in Northern Ireland and Scotland, you'll notice a change in

the temperature too. Donald Trump now looks

almost certain to claim the Republican party nomination

for the US presidency. We'll look at how he went

from being a rank outsider David Cameron is being urged again

to take in more children fleeing the war in Syria,

this time from a former Jewish refugee who came to Britain before

the start of the Second World War. And my view is given that I came

on what was then called the kindertransport that Britain

should help a little bit more. 11-year-old Ben Baddeley

has cerebral palsy. He wrote to the Prime Minister

because the NHS won't Today he's off to Downing Street

to ask David Cameron in person. We'll be speaking

to him after 10.30am. Here's Joanna In the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. The US billionaire, Donald Trump,

is now almost certain to win the Republican party's presidential

nomination after his main rival, Ted Cruz, withdrew from the race

following another heavy defeat. Mr Cruz said losing the Indiana

primary meant he could no longer see Our theme is very simple - it is

make America great again. We will America great again. We will start

winning again. You will be so proud of this country very, very soon.

Tobacco companies have lost a legal challenge to the Government's plans

to enforce plain packaging on all tobacco products.

The European Court of Justice in Luxembourg has just ruled that

an EU directive on plain packaging is valid.

The Labour Party is facing more criticism over its handling

of alleged anti-Semitism within its ranks.

Britain's top Rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis, says Labour has a "severe problem"

and warns in an article in the Daily Telegraph that it

will get worse if the recently announced inquiry into the issue

was used as "sticking plaster" to placate voters.

Southern Health NHS Trust is investigating an abusive answer

phone message left for a mother whose son died while in its care.

Sara Ryan has been campaigning for changes in the trust

since her son, Connor Sparrowhawk, drowned in a bath at one

A woman who claimed she worked for the Trust called

It's awful that you've lost him, but to I do think you're

It's awful that you've lost him, but I do think you're

I think you're a vindictive cow, on TV all the time blaming the NHS.

We've been in touch with Southern Health this morning,

They say they have been made aware of the phone call this morning

through social media. It has urged anyone

with information to come forward. David Cameron is facing more

pressure to accept an additional 3,000 unaccompanied child

refugees from Syria. A personal appeal has been made

by Sir Eric Reich who chairs a group of former Jewish refugees

who were allowed into the UK on the so-called Kindertransport

on the eve of the Second World War. Ministers argue that offering

sanctuary to lone children could result in more falling

into the hands of traffickers. Canadian authorities have ordered

the evacuation of an entire city in the province of Alberta

because of a huge wildfire. 80,000 people have been ordered

to leave Fort McMurray, as fires whipped up by winds

engulfed homes and main roads, and sent ash raining

down on residents. Alberta has appealed

for military help. Well, it is a disaster. I find that

it is not fair. They didn't even let us take our things when we asked

them. So we lost everything now. Where is your house? It was in the

campsite. Police have begun digging

in the garden of a couple who were friends with serial killers

Fred and Rose West in the 1980s. David and Pauline Williams

were jailed last year for a series of offences against ten boys

and girls including rape, Officers say they began

the investigation of the couple's home in the village of Bradninch,

in Devon, after a tip-off. That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. Thank you. Thank you for getting in

touch. This e-mail, "I have just seen your report about the appeal to

bring 3,000 Syrian children here. If there was any question of not

bringing children because they have no family here then that's

heartbreaking. They have a family with me. We are not Syrian, but we

are parents and we will be their family." Jackson said, "Say no to

any children which aren't British children, we can't care for our own

children so bringing more won't help." We will talk more about that

in the next half an hour. Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria Live

and If you text, you will be charged So Manchester City are a game

away from their first Our Football Correspondent John

Murray will be commentating on the match for Radio 5 Live

tonight and he joins me now live So John I guess the big news,

as much as City boss Manuel Pellegrini tries to play it

down, is that Cristiano Ronldo Well, you would have to say that

that is potentially pivotal and that's potentially the thing that

could send this game Real Madrid's way. It is a big surprise last week

when he wasn't able to play in the game at the Manchester stadium and

this week Zinedine says he is fit. And 47 goals this season. Such a

brilliant goal scoring record in the Champions League. He could make the

difference. Now City have a decent striker of their own in Sergio

Aguero and they have Yaya Toure back. How big a part will they play

tonight? Could they be key for City? The first question is whether Yaya

Toure will be selected for the game. Manuel Pellegrini said he has been

training all week. Will he select him? Alternatively, will he bring in

someone Lycra hem Stirling to play on the left-hand side and play

debriner in the centre behind Aguero. Aguero didn't play on

Sunday. He was an unused substitute. There was a feeling he didn't look

himself in the first leg and what Manchester City is for Aguero to be

100% fit in the same way Real Madrid need Ronaldo to be 100% fit. Manuel

Pellegrini leaves at the end of the season so it is the last chance for

a trophy for him before he goes. Will that put extra fire in his

belly to go out and get a result tonight? It is a really odd

situation. I couldn't help, but think this when he was sitting

talking to us last night. He has less than a handful of games left as

the manager of Manchester City, but get through this tonight, a score

draw will take them through and his last match, before the new manager

takes over, been the Champions League final in Milan. I think there

would be a good deal of satisfaction for Pellegrini if that turns out to

be the case. John, thank you very much for

joining us. Commentary of that game on Five Live from tonight. That's

all the sport for now, Victoria. Thank you.

A year ago Donald Trump was a rank outsider become the Republican

Party's candidate to become the next American president.

Last night his main competitor, Ted Cruz, pulled out of the race

after losing heavily in a primary election in the state of Indiana.

He's a divisive character and there's hasn't been

White House candidate like him in the modern era.

Let's have a quick reminder of some of the controversial comments Trump

When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best.

They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists.

Donald J Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of

Muslims entering the United States. Until our country's representatives

can figure out what the hell is going on.

We have a lot of power with China. When China doesn't want to fix the

problem in North Korea, we say sorry folks, you've got to fix the problem

because we can't continue to allow China to rape our country and that's

what they're doing. It is the greatest theft in the history of the

world. I've never seen anybody that lied as much as Ted Cruz and he goes

around saying he is a Christian. I don't know, you're going to have to

really study that. So we won the evangelicals, we won

with Young, we won with old. We won with highly educated. We won with

poorly educated! I love the poorly educated!

Joining me is Charlie Wells, a reporter with the

Shaun McCutcheon is a Trump supporter.

Also joining us is Ryan Girdusky who writes for conservative

Does Donald Trump have it in the bag? He has effectively lock it

down, but he has not definetively. In the United States the primary for

each party goes State by State. It is a battle across the 50 States. To

rack up delegatesths gates. So far Donald Trump has a significant lead

in delegates, but he has 200 to capture the definitive total. States

left include California, that will be a big battle. That said, you

know, the Republican national committee chairman said that Donald

Trump is the nominee. That the party needs to rally behind Donald Trump.

So it is looking, you know, like he has got it, but I don't think we

should, you know, call it defintively yet. He needs another

200 delegates to cross the finishing line to be the candidate fighting

presumably Hillary Clinton, but again, we don't want to call that

yet... Right. We know where we're coming from. Shaken, tell us what

you have supported Donald Trump from the beginning?

I met him back in 2013 and listen to a couple of his speeches before he

ran. I knew he was going to run a long time ago, he is just an

exciting candidate with a different message. These are first popular

candidate since the 18 candidates. He's different from the others he

has a message about how to make America great again. And what about

the things he says he is going to do to make America great again if he

becomes president? I think it is more of a financial concerned that

the people have than any other concern. And what is he going to do

about that? He has given you a lot of ways, but through trade and

restoring jobs, better management of our money, our policies, better

management of our borders. The Government is going to do its job

for a change. Ryan, you are a Trump supporter, too. Tell us what he has

said in the last few months but really appealed to you. On

immigration, discussing here how we can legally reduce immigration, not

just illegal immigration. But his foreign policy has stunned me, and I

think I am grieving, I can't believe there is somebody who is speaking

about not being the world's policeman, not letting European

nations take advantage of the United States any more, talking about how

it seems foolish that we can't have an issue with the Turks if they are

members of Nato, and ending the cycle of perpetual warfare for no

reason, to spread democracy to nations who don't want it, you don't

particularly like us. A lot of them don't have any problem with America

and don't fight America, and I think that is a huge draw for people, the

fact that he is going to be the anti-war candidate for the entire

country right now. And do you think, let's say he becomes your next

president. Do you really think he is going to do all the things he said

he will? Your expectations are so high. Maybe he won't get 100% of the

way there, but if European nations have to start contributing more to

Nato, or even if he just doesn't start another war for eight years,

that would be nice. That would be great if we stopped wars that we

don't really need to fight any more, in this ideological struggle to

spread democracy in the world, it is foolish. Charlie Wells from the Wall

Street Journal, why apparently do so many Republican supporters not like,

respect, admire, want Donald Trump to be their candidate? I think it

comes with an antiestablishment message. Even though he is a

billionaire? Yes, he comes with an antiestablishment message, he has

latched onto a lot of Australians in the United States about trade, about

immigration, and he pursues a set of policies different to the

mainstream. -- a lot of frustrations in the United States. He is not

beholden to financial donors, and a lot of white working-class voters

have been hurt by some of the trade negotiations that have been pursued.

I think the Republican party want to see more speeches from him going

forward outlining his policy proposals, more detail, a lot of

people talked recently about speech on International policy he made

recently and how it was contradictory, so we might want to

iron that out a bit more. One move from a political playbook for people

like Donald Trump is to make an international trip. You remember

Barack Obama's international trip in 2008, people were saying he was weak

on foreign policy, I haven't heard anything about the trump camp doing

that, but I think we should expect some travel. Shoreham, why do some

Republicans not like Donald Trump? He is an outsider. He hasn't been on

the inside, they are worried about the status quo. A lot of them are

worried about the souk -- Supreme Court Justices, a lot of Republicans

claim he is not a conservative, but I think is part is the establishment

goes, he is just not there man, they don't feel like they have control of

him a lot of things they have been going on, they don't feel like he

will continue to do. And let's assume he becomes the Republican

candidate. Can he beat, for example, Hillary Clinton? Yes, I definitely

think he can. Right now he is six or seven points below Hillary, which is

pretty devastating, but it is early, and Trump has managed to raise his

favourable ratings significantly from the beginning of the campaign

when he was polling 60 points underwater, so it is a significant

turnaround. But national polls that matter, state polls do, and a new

poll in Ohio, a very well-regarded polling firm, they show that Trump

is within the margin of areas Hillary Clinton, and it was polled

with 15% African Americans. By being to the left of Hillary on foreign

policy but to the right of Hillary on guns, he is able to walk across

the entire ideological map and bring people to him. And the Democratic

party didn't vote for their presumptive nominee Hillary Clinton,

they are still fighting this war of ideas, and I don't believe, I have

talked to literally hundreds of Bernie Sanders supporters covering

their rallies, there is a real fight inside the Democratic party, and

real hatred for Hillary Clinton among Bernie Sanders supporters, so

it will be interesting to see of a lot of people support her, dropout

and support job, or a vote for a third party like the Green party,

which think is very possible that they will receive millions of his

supporters' votes. Ryan mentioned the polls, if it is Hillary Clinton

versus Donald Trump, what is the reading on who would win that? It is

still very early, and this has been a very unpredictable Republican and

Democratic race. Most national polls show Donald Trump down about ten

percentage points across in a key battle ground states. But something

we should watch is how Donald Trump uses Hillary Clinton's gender. Both

candidates are going to start turning towards the general

election, and a lot of people have said, is there a way for him to turn

her gender against, making this point that Hillary Clinton is a

woman, but that is the only thing she has in common with you. A number

of polls have showed that he is doing very poorly with women, down

70 percentage points according to some polls, but I don't know. I

think the Clinton campaign is fighting a battle on two France,

both within the Democratic party yet trying to turn to that general

election which as we should probably expect will be unexpected. And a

quick final thought, because some people in Britain always say, why

should we care, why does this matter, why are you devoting six

minutes of airtime to this? What would you say? I think people should

stay ahead of what is going on in international policy. From the UK

angle, the Cameron Government is operating on the policy that Clinton

will win the general election, the Obama administration is operating on

the same idea, but I think being prepared for age much was race is

something that people across the world should be ready for. Thank you

very much, thank you gentlemen. Still to come, we'll be live

in a village in Devon where police have begun digging in the garden

of a couple who were friends with serial killers Fred

and Rose West in the 1980s. A former child refugee has told this

programme that David Cameron should allow more an additional 3,000

Syrian children to come to the UK. The personal appeal has come

from Sir Eric Reich - who is the chairman

of the Kindertransport-Association Sir Eric came to the UK in 1939

aged four as a refugee He said Britain should protect

children who are vulnerable. They are unaccompanied children,

they are in Europe and Mr Cameron thinks they are safe

but they are not. They hide in woods,

they hide from authorities, they are raped, the girls,

they are in trafficking, there all kind of things and ten

thousand children have been lost, And my view is, given that I came

on what was then the Kindertransport, that Britain should

help a little bit more. Ministers argue that offering

sanctuary to loan children could result in more falling into the

hands of traffickers. Chancellor George Osborne says discussions are

ongoing about the best ways to help. Britain's always been a home

to the vulnerable and we've always done what we need to do to help

people who are fleeing persecution. That's why we're taking people

from the refugee camps as a result And we're working with others,

with charities, with other political parties, talking to people

about what we can do to help the unaccompanied children as well

as providing financial support. So we're in those discussions

and those discussions will go on and you'll hear we've got

to they say in due course. With me now is the Conservative MP

Heidi Allen who has been urging David Cameron to take more refugee

children from Europe. He's a U-turn on the cards?

Identikit will be as dramatic as that, but our call is for what we

should be doing in Europe, helping assess these children and bring them

into the asylum process, that is what we are hoping to hear more

detail on. Fires are taking David Cameron so to listen to you? Because

I think they're genuinely is a real fear. Germany experienced this. If

you open the floodgates to far, the last thing you want to do is put

more children and families on this perilous journey across the sea, so

I understand why we have been resisting this, trying to use our

heads and hearts to come up with a solution. I have seen those boats,

they are not seaworthy. But if the turkey deal that is now in place is

so fantastic, and is stopping that flow, then the pull factor that

people talk about has stopped pulling, so these children are

trapped. They are in Europe, they can't go forward, they can't go

back, and I honestly don't believe we can leave them there. I think we

have an obligation to help them. Sir Eric Reich, we saw a clip of him

again there. He said that if the new proposal is that children can only

come here unaccompanied, if they have relatives here, that is not

enough, and that seems to be proposal that being put forward. I

think we have to wait and see what the Government will come forward

with. That is the best start. We need to make sure that the language

of the amendments that is coming back to the house on Monday, it

might not be the finished article, we need to make sure that those

children that do have a right to claim asylum here, we find them and

we bring them home, but also working with local authorities, I know in my

neighbouring constituency of Cambridge city, they are

disappointed they haven't been able to offer sanctuary to more children,

so the great reddish public is waiting in this country to help, and

we need to use those homes and offer more if we can. Is 3000 the right

number? It is a headline number. Save the children came up with this

number some months ago as a best guess on their knowledge of how many

unaccompanied child refugees there are in Europe and taking our

proportion. There is always a debate you can have about the numbers, and

I think it is right that the number has been taken out of the amendment,

because we should find the children that are legally entitled to be

here, if the processes are strong enough, the Macedonian border,

Greece, Calais, etc, we will find them, and we should look to see what

additionally local authorities can do on top of that. Stewart e-mails

to say, our hearts go out to these children and families, shipping them

over here is not the answer. I would argue, is it humanitarian, morally

right to leave them where they are? He goes on to say, it is the

governments of the nations they come from Richard Tait responsibility.

They have come from Syria and Afghanistan, the support is not

going to be there for them. It is great we are putting the majority of

our investment into the reason, you can't empty country, you need to

keep people therefore when we rebuild it when the horror is over,

but that has come to late for some people, and there are thousands and

thousands in Europe already, and we can't turn our back on them. Jackson

says we can't get a UK children, so having more won't help. We have

varying degrees of capability around the country, and the argument put to

me is we have homeless people sleeping on the streets, shouldn't

they come first? My argument is we need to fix that as well, but just

because we have problems in some cities doesn't mean we can't help

all swear. This is about sharing the burden is the human race and saying,

what can I do, how can I help? In my own constituency, our rural

transport is weak, so I don't think we would be the right place to house

them, but I have a folder of e-mails from volunteers. I can teach, I can

translate, I have mental health services, I am a doctor. We can work

together as a team, provide century and all contribute. We don't all

have to housed them, but between as we can find the right solution.

Thank you for coming on the programme. Still to come:

11-year-old Ben has cerebral palsy and he wrote to the Prime Minister

because the NHS won't pave his treatment. Today he is after Street

to ask David Cameron in person, and we will talk to him in the next few

minutes. The parents of a two-year-old girl who died from

meningitis B have accused the government of flippantly ignoring

their campaign to protect all under fives with a vaccine.

With the news, here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom.

The US billionaire, Donald Trump is now almost certain to win

the Republican Party's presidential nomination after his main rival,

Ted Cruz, withdrew from the race following another heavy defeat.

Mr Cruz said losing the Indiana primary meant he could no longer see

Mr Trump said his success was beautiful to behold.

Our theme is very simple - it's make America great again.

You will be so proud of this country, very, very soon.

Tobacco companies have lost a legal challenge to the government's plans

to enforce plain packaging on all tobacco products.

The European Court of Justice in Luxembourg has ruled this morning

that an EU directive on plain packaging is valid.

The Labour Party is facing more criticism over its handling

of alleged anti-Semitism within its ranks.

Britain's top Rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis, says Labour has

a "severe problem" and warns in an article

in the Daily Telegraph that it will get worse if the recently

announced inquiry into the issue was used as "sticking

Southern Health NHS Trust is investigating an abusive answer

phone message left for a mother whose son died while in its care.

Sara Ryan has been campaigning for changes in the trust

since her son, Connor Sparrowhawk, drowned in a bath at one

A woman who claimed she worked for the Trust

It's awful that you've lost him, but I do think you're

I think you're a vindictive cow, on TV all the time blaming the NHS.

We've been in touch with Southern Health this morning

and they told us they've been made aware of the phone message

through social media and find the content deeply concerning.

They say they cannot condone such behaviour

They urge anyone with information to get in contact to enable a full

David Cameron is facing more pressure to accept

an additional 3,000 unaccompanied child refugees

A personal appeal has been made by Sir Eric Reich

refugees who were allowed into the UK on the so-called

Kindertransport on the eve of the Second World War.

Ministers argue that offering sanctuary to lone children

could result in more falling into the hands of traffickers.

Canadian authorities have ordered the evacuation of an entire city

in the province of Alberta because of a huge wildfire.

80,000 people have been ordered to leave Fort McMurray,

as fires whipped up by winds engulfed homes and main roads,

and sent ash raining down on residents.

Alberta is also appealing for military help.

Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11am.

Manchester City are 90 minutes from their first

They'll have to get past ten times winners Real Madrid

and Christiano Ronaldo first, though.

The striker has been passed fit to play in tonight's

And City already know who their opponents will be

Atletico lost to Bayern Munich last night, but go through on away goals.

Antoine Griezemann with the crucial strike.

It has been less than 48 hours since Leicester City's historic

Premier League title win and their manager Claudio Ranieri

has already had to send out a "hands off" warning to other

Ranieri is expecting offers from around Europe but wants his

newly crowned champions to stay at the club and continue their hard

He's beaten Radek Stepanek in three sets at the Madrid Masters,

so the world number two goes through to the third round.

Police are carrying out an intensive search at a property

The home was lived in by a couple who knew the serial killers Fred

and Rose West and have been jailed for serious sexual offences over

The police say David and Pauline Williams carried

out sickening attacks on children and teenagers.

Our correspondent Hamish Marshall is outside the house

Well, there is two police search teams. You can see the vans that

they have arrived in this morning. They are searching the garden. The

Following and tarpaulin was erected over the last 24 hours. We haven't

heard any machinery. We have heard spades and other manual activities

going on, but there is probably a dozen officers inside there now.

This was the home of David and Pauline Williams. Two paedophiles.

David Williams jailed for life last year and Pauline Williams jailed for

12 years for a string of sexual offences against young boys and

girls. The police say they are acting on historic information that

they have been given with regard to this and they expect the search here

will take four days. Thank you.

Three times a week Ben Badderley, who has Cerebal Palsy,

has life-changing physio to help him to walk unaided.

His dream is to play football in the park this summer,

but the cost of his ?450 a week treatment is being paid

for by his family and their money is running out.

Taking matters into his own hands, 11-year-old Ben wrote

to the Prime Minister asking why he wasn't entitled to treatment

To his surprise he heard back, but he wasn't happy

Today, he's going back to Downing Street to deliver

Ben and his mum Amy are here. Thank you very much for coming on the

programme. Hi Ben, thank you for coming on. Think you might be really

useful for people who want to learn more about cerebral palsy to

describe what it is and how it affects your son? Yes, it is brain

damage and scarring. When we move our arms and legs, averagely, the

brain channels those nerve signals to our fingers and our toes and we

can move freely. With children like Ben and sufferers like Ben, those

nerves come through like muffled because they have scarring on the

brain. So the signals misfire and they cause a constant tightness, the

easiest way to explain and to allow someone to kind of get the idea of

what it feels like is if you tense yourself up, that's what a sufferer

feels every single day. Right. Every minute of every single day. Yeah.

Wow. OK. And Ben was diagnosed as a young baby, weren't you, Ben? Yeah.

Tell us how it affects you. What would you say? I'm really tight and

really incomfortable. Just before my operation I only had like half days

at school. I couldn't cope with the amount of pain and now I've had my

operation, I'm in full days and I'm, I can write with a pen. And that was

an operation Ben was due to have on the NHS, but it got cancelled? Yeah,

that's right. Our local hospital transferred Ben to Nottingham to see

a specialist surgeon that deals with spinal surgery. He was accepted as

an excellent candidate and we were put on the SDR programme. He went

through two years of pre-op tests and body conditioning, and it was

hard work, wasn't it, little man? Yes. We had to get his body ready

for surgery, but at the same time he had to be taken off all his

medication, because it wouldn't be safe to put a child to sleep with

all that medication in their system. He was taken off the medication and

it was five days, we were due to go in on the Thursday and we got the

letter on the Saturday. What happened? They basically said they

were no longer fund that type of treatment. That the NHS were no

longer able to fund it for anybody. It wasn't just Ben, we weren't

singled out or anything, it was all cerebral palsy sufferers and when we

obviously got in touch with the NHS, the only option was to either sit

and wait with the child that was in constant pain, or self fund the

final part of the SDR programme which was the surgery and they sent

us a bill for ?1440. Wow. -- ?11440. Wow. How did you get the money for

that? We did an appeal through the BBC. An anonymous donator came

forward and he paid directly into Nottingham for Benl. Ben was put on

the waiting list and waited two weeks and you had the operation at

Nottingham, didn't you? Yeah. In the hospital. But it is not just the

surgery, it is the intensive physio which is crucial... It is, yeah.

Which comes afterwards. It wasn't just that you were raising ?11500

for the op, it was the treatment? We had this slapped on us to start with

and when we got home from the hospital, after being drilled into

us how important the rehab was, if Ben was ever going to stand a chance

of walking or being able to use his hands he had to have this intensive

physio and we were home, only a few days, weren't we, little man? Yeah.

Unfortunately, because of the cuts and everything, our local physio

department haven't been commissioned to help Ben, but again, we're not

singled out. It is everybody. We're not the only ones. So you have been

trying to pay for that yourself which is several hundred pounds

every week? It comes to under ?2,000 a month. Right. It is ?150 per

hourly session. He needs, ideally he needs three session a week and we

have had to drop one because we are struggling to fund. My husband works

all the hours he can get. Ben, what do you have to do? First I go in. I

have some stretching and then it is things like leg raisers and planks.

And your gym boy, you have to sit on that? Yeah. There is all sorts of

different equipment that's been donated to him through charities and

stuff. You've got your bike now, haven't you as well? Yeah. I can

ride that without my legs being sell taped to the pedals! He can! It is a

two-wheeled bike and something he has always wanted to be able to do

and he can ride that now. I think you decided you wanted to write to

the Prime Minister, didn't you, Ben? Yeah, I wanted to find out why he

can't just fix the NHS for everyone. And what did you think of his reply?

It wasn't what I asked. It was just going over what the NHS said to us a

few months back. What were you hoping from that letter, Amy? In all

honesty, I didn't expect him to get a reply. We were really shocked when

he got a reply. But when I opened it, I was disappointed because Ben

spent two days writing his letter because he has only just started

being able to use his hands and it was a print-out letter that he

signed, he had signed it, and it was just the same. We have been in these

conversations with the NHS since the beginning and it was as though he

had just printed off what they had said. And we were very disappointed.

You could tell from the letter that he hadn't looked at not just Ben's

situation, but the whole of the cerebral palsy situation within the

NHS. We're not the only ones struggling. It is across the whole

of the country. And his reply was sort of I'm sorry that it happened

to you, but well done for fund raiding and paying for your own

treatment, but that's not what the NHS is there for. We have got a

National Health Service and it needs fixing like he says. I agree with

him. Everything is very plaque and white with a child and you just

don't understand and it is very difficult from a paurpbt's point of

view to try and explain that because he is right. Something needs to

happen somewhere to help. You have written again and you're going to

Downing Street. Yeah. How do you feel about that, Ben? I'm a bit

nervous. Don't be. It is just a big door!

LAUGHTER What have you written in this

letter? I've told him again that he has not answered my questions and

that I asked him again. And it's just annoying that he has not

answered my questions. What you want Amy is your local

trust to pay for the physio, that's the bottom line, isn't it? That's

the bottom line, yes. You understand that the pot of money is apparently

finite, the decisions or the choices that the Government makes means that