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A year ago many considered him a political joke. Now Donald Trump is | :00:00. | :00:21. | |
the Republican Party's nominee. It followed a knock-out punch against | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
his closest rival Ted Cruz leading him to pulling out of the race. | :00:27. | :00:32. | |
Laura Trevelyan was at the Cruz rally. | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
Thank you to each of you. Winning again. You will be so proud of this | :00:39. | :00:45. | |
country, very, very soon. The parents of a two-year-old who | :00:46. | :00:51. | |
died of meningitis B accused the Government of ignoring their | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
campaign to protect all under fives with the vaccine. We will be talking | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
to the parents shortly. David Cameron is being urged again to take | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
in more children fleeing the war in Syria. This time from a man who was | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
a child refugee himself. We will talk to him in the next half | :01:05. | :01:06. | |
an hour. Welcome to the programme, | :01:07. | :01:15. | |
we're live until 11am. If you're getting in touch, | :01:16. | :01:20. | |
do use the hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
at the standard network rate. Our top story today is that | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
Donald Trump is now all but certain to become the Republican Party's | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
candidate for US president. His main rival, Ted Cruz, | :01:33. | :01:34. | |
pulled out of the race last night after losing heavily in the party's | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
primary election in Mr Cruz told supporters there was no | :01:38. | :01:39. | |
viable path forward Mr Trump now seems certain to win | :01:40. | :01:46. | |
a majority of the delegates to the Republican Party's convention | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
in July, which will officially Laura Trevelyan | :01:51. | :01:52. | |
reports from Indiana. Thank you to each of | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
you and God bless you. Indiana is known as the crossroads | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
of America and so it proved for Ted Cruz's campaign to stop | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
Donald Trump from becoming Trump's victory in this fiscally | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
and socially conservative state left Losing here in Indiana | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
was a devastating blow to Ted Cruz and to the immense disappointment | :02:13. | :02:20. | |
of his supporters here tonight, We gave it everything we've got, | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
but the voters chose another path. And so with a heavy heart, | :02:24. | :02:34. | |
but with boundless optimism, for the long-term future | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
of our nation, we are We have to know how to win | :02:40. | :02:47. | |
and we haven't won. We've been losing all the time. | :02:48. | :02:55. | |
We lose with our military. We can't beat Isis. | :02:56. | :02:57. | |
We lose with trade. We lose with borders. | :02:58. | :02:59. | |
We lose with everything. We're not going to lose, | :03:00. | :03:01. | |
we're going to start winning again In a night of upsets, | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
Bernie Sanders defeated Hillary Clinton in Indiana, | :03:06. | :03:12. | |
but she still has a big enough lead in delegates | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
that she is virtually certain to be Her loss though is a reminder | :03:16. | :03:18. | |
is a reminder of how she is weak Now Republican leaders are calling | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
for their divided party to unite behind Donald Trump against Mrs | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
Clinton. The stage is set for a bruising | :03:29. | :03:29. | |
battle for the White House. Well, Nick Bryant was at Donald | :03:30. | :03:46. | |
Trump's rally in New York and says the Republican race is pretty much | :03:47. | :03:48. | |
over. The chequered flag has been waved by | :03:49. | :03:56. | |
the chairman of the chairman of the national committee. He is calling | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
Donald Trump the nominee. He is calling for the party to unite. | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
Donald Trump's only serious rival, Ted Cruz dropped out. The only | :04:04. | :04:13. | |
person left is so way behind he stands no chance of getting the | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
nomination. His only attempt was to force a contested conversion. Donald | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
Trump will get the delegates he needs. There won't be a contested | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
convention. He is the nominee. It started here, of course, in Trump | :04:28. | :04:37. | |
Tower in June last year. People saw him as a big ego with little chance. | :04:38. | :04:38. | |
Well, he has proved virtually everybody wrong. Indeed, he entered | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
this atrium at Trump Tower expressing self-doubts about | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
himself. Telling his wife that he might fall flat on his face. Well, | :04:46. | :04:51. | |
he didn't fall flat on his face. He has got the Republican presidential | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
nomination. Nick Bryant reporting. | :04:57. | :04:59. | |
Joanna Gosling's in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :05:00. | :05:01. | |
Canadian authorities have ordered the evacuation of the entire | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
population of a city in the province of Alberta because | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
80,000 people have been told to leave, as fires whipped | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
up by winds engulfed homes and main roads, | :05:12. | :05:13. | |
and sent ash raining down on residents. | :05:14. | :05:15. | |
The wildfires spread quickly and without warning causing traffic | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
chaos and quickly entering the city of Fort McMurray, not far | :05:19. | :05:20. | |
from the oilfields in the western province of Alberta. | :05:21. | :05:27. | |
Dry conditions and winds suddenly fanned the flames into what one fire | :05:28. | :05:30. | |
The traffic gridlock at times made it difficult at times | :05:31. | :05:45. | |
The traffic gridlock at times made it difficult | :05:46. | :05:47. | |
for fire services to get to where they needed to. | :05:48. | :05:49. | |
An entire trailer park was destroyed as were several houses. | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
And patients and staff were forced out of Fort | :05:53. | :05:54. | |
It's a disaster. It's not fair. | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
They didn't let us take our things when we asked them. | :06:01. | :06:02. | |
Fire crews dropped water bombs from above, but with little effect. | :06:03. | :06:10. | |
The military is expected to join the fight against the flames. | :06:11. | :06:12. | |
It's the largest wildfire evacuation in the Canadian province's history. | :06:13. | :06:23. | |
Briar Stewart is a reporter with the Canadian broadcaster | :06:24. | :06:25. | |
CBC in Fort McMurray, and has been forced | :06:26. | :06:27. | |
It is started really this afternoon. Thick black smoke as the fire just | :06:28. | :06:38. | |
grew so rapidly and it is a very hot day here today. It was about 30 | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
Celsius and it was windy. So officials knew that today was going | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
to be a challenging day, but the fire chief told me he didn't expect | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
anything like this. It was about mid-afternoon that the winds just | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
whipped up the fire. The fire went over highway 63 which is the main | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
thoroughfare and because it crossed the highway, it made it very | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
difficult for people who were trying to get from one side of the city to | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
another. People really started to understand just how things were | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
deteriorating and so dramatically when they started seeing, you know, | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
gas stations explode and saw the flames just right along the side of | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
the highway. That's when the massive evacuation began and it was gridlock | :07:20. | :07:22. | |
there for sometime as people tried to get out of the city. A lot of | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
people headed south towards the city of Edmonton, but there are some that | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
headed north and they're staying at some lodges that normally | :07:33. | :07:34. | |
houseworkers that work in the oil sands, but tonight, they are housing | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
evacuees. The court ruled the new EU directive | :07:39. | :07:50. | |
on ta bobbing kae products is valid. The UK Government will be able to | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
introduce plain packaging for all tobacco products from the end of | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
May. We will have more on that later in the programme. | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
The Labour Party is facing more criticism over its handling | :08:04. | :08:05. | |
of alleged anti-Semitism within its ranks. | :08:06. | :08:11. | |
Has a "severe problem" and warns in an article in the Daily Telegraph | :08:12. | :08:14. | |
that it will get worse if the recently announced inquiry | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
into the issue was used as "sticking plaster" to placate voters. | :08:18. | :08:19. | |
Southern Health NHS Trust is investigating an abusive answer | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
phone message left for a mother whose son died while in its care. | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
Sara Ryan has been campaigning for changes in the trust since her son. | :08:27. | :08:31. | |
Sara Ryan has been campaigning for changes in the trust since her son | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
Connor Sparrowhawk drowned in a bath at one of its units in Oxfordshire. | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
A woman who claimed she worked for the mental health provider | :08:40. | :08:42. | |
called Dr Ryan's office on the day that the regulator, | :08:43. | :08:44. | |
the Care Quality Commission issued a report criticising the Trust. | :08:45. | :08:46. | |
This is the message that was left. It is awful that I lost him. I think | :08:47. | :08:54. | |
that you are being very vindictive. You are a vindictive cow. You are on | :08:55. | :09:01. | |
TV all the time. The Trust says it is concerned about | :09:02. | :09:03. | |
the abusive phone call. David Cameron's facing more pressure | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
to accept an additional 3,000 unaccompanied child | :09:07. | :09:08. | |
refugees from Syria. A personal appeal has been | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
made by Sir Eric Reich, who chairs a group of former Jewish | :09:12. | :09:13. | |
refugees who were allowed into the UK on the so-called | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
Kindertransport on the eve Ministers argue that offering | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
sanctuary to lone children could result in more falling | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
into the hands of traffickers. Our assistant political editor | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
Norman Smith is at Westminster. How much pressure is the Government | :09:29. | :09:37. | |
under over this, Norman? Intense pressure Joanna and there is a lot | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
of expectation here that Mr Cameron will have to back down. Pressure | :09:41. | :09:46. | |
compounded by this letter from the association of Jewish refugees | :09:47. | :09:49. | |
urging Mr Cameron to show compassion and stressing that child refugees | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
are not a burden on the State they come to, he cites the chinter | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
children many of whom have settle here and become prominent business | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
leaders and famous writers and artists and urging Mr Cameron to | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
adopt the same approach to Syrian refugees. Now, this afternoon, the | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
Home Office Minister, James Brokenshire will meet Conservative | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
rebels around 30 of whom are threatening to vote against Mr | :10:12. | :10:14. | |
Cameron when this comes to the Commons on Monday to try and hammer | :10:15. | :10:20. | |
out some deal and the compromise Mr Cameron appears to be looking at is | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
beefing up the existing rules whereby refugee children can ask for | :10:26. | :10:28. | |
asylum in Britain, if they've got relatives here. And what the | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
Government seem to be proposing is, making sure that that is done more | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
speedily and swiftly, that more resources are thrown in processing | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
that, so more children get to come and relaxing the rules so you can | :10:42. | :10:44. | |
come in if a member of your extended family is here. The doubts remain | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
though whether that will be anywhere near enough to satisfy Mr Cameron's | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
critics and avoid defeat in that vote on Monday. Thank you, Norman. | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
Police have begun digging in the garden of a couple | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
who were friends with serial killers Fred and Rose West in the 1980s. | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
David and Pauline Williams were jailed last year for a series | :11:05. | :11:06. | |
of offences against ten boys and girls including rape, | :11:07. | :11:08. | |
Officers say they began the investigation of the couple's | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
home in the village of Bradninch, in Devon, after a tip-off. | :11:12. | :11:20. | |
People in the Cornish town of St Ives will decide today | :11:21. | :11:22. | |
whether to back a plan to prevent non-residents buying | :11:23. | :11:24. | |
The area's popularity has seen property prices more | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
Many residents say they've been priced out of the market. | :11:29. | :11:31. | |
The new neighbourhood plan would prevent new build property | :11:32. | :11:34. | |
from being sold to anyone who doesn't live in the town. | :11:35. | :11:36. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
Here's some sport now with Jessica, and it isn't | :11:43. | :11:50. | |
Sorry Leicester fans, there is other football news around today! | :11:51. | :12:00. | |
Manchester City are on the brink of their first Champions League final. | :12:01. | :12:03. | |
They've got 90 minutes of football to play yet, | :12:04. | :12:05. | |
but a score-draw is all they need against Real Madrid to make | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
history at the Bernabeu, after the nil-nil draw last week. | :12:09. | :12:10. | |
City will have to contend with Cristiano Ronaldo, | :12:11. | :12:16. | |
of course, who has been passed fit to play. | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
I don't think Real Madrid just has Cristiano Ronaldo. They have other | :12:21. | :12:28. | |
options. The most important thing is we have our mind thinking that we | :12:29. | :12:37. | |
must defend and attacking, not against Cristiano Ronaldo, but | :12:38. | :12:37. | |
against Real Madrid. And City already know who they'll | :12:38. | :12:40. | |
opponents will be if they win. Even though Atletico lost | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
to Bayern Munich last night, they're Antoine Griezemann with | :12:44. | :12:46. | |
the crucial strike. It is just 48 hours after Leicester | :12:47. | :12:57. | |
City's historic Premier League title. And their boss, Claudio | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
Ranieri, had to issue a hands off my champs warning to other clubs on the | :13:03. | :13:05. | |
Times, "Leave and you'll regret it." Here they are, still | :13:06. | :13:11. | |
jumping, still celebrating. Ranieri is expecting offers | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
from top clubs around Europe for his newly crowned champions, | :13:16. | :13:17. | |
but wants his players to stay at the club and continue the hard | :13:18. | :13:20. | |
work they've put in. I feel good. It was an amazing | :13:21. | :13:29. | |
achievement for me, for the lads, for the chairman, for our fans. | :13:30. | :13:35. | |
Something special. I want to stay here for a long time. We had the | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
project. We want to continue this project. I know the next season, it | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
will be harder, but we are ready to fight. We are fighters. | :13:46. | :13:48. | |
He's beaten Radek Stepanek in three sets at the Madrid Masters. | :13:49. | :13:59. | |
It wasn't exactly plain sailing | :14:00. | :14:00. | |
He took the first set on a tie break, then lost the second | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
But Stepanek faded in the third set and Murray goes | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
The Olympic flame has arrived in Brazil for the start of a torch | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
relay around the country before the opening of the | :14:13. | :14:15. | |
The flame was flown to the capital Brasilia inside a small lantern | :14:16. | :14:18. | |
The torch will be carried through 300 cities before | :14:19. | :14:25. | |
Can you believe it, Victoria, just 93 days until the start of the | :14:26. | :14:38. | |
Games? It just seems like dwred when it was London 2012. | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
Thank you very much, Jessica. More sport later on. | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
We will also bring you a full weather forecast before 10am. | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
The parents of a toddler who died from meningitis B have hit out | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
at the Government for "flippantly ignoring" their campaign to protect | :14:57. | :15:03. | |
This pictures shows two-year-old Faye Burdett before she died. | :15:04. | :15:10. | |
Her mum and dad, Jen and Neil Burdett, shared photos | :15:11. | :15:12. | |
of her fighting for her life to raise awareness of the illness. | :15:13. | :15:15. | |
The next image is upsetting and you may not want your children | :15:16. | :15:18. | |
This photo showing Faye with a painful rash went viral. | :15:19. | :15:34. | |
An e-petition calling for all children, | :15:35. | :15:35. | |
not just babies, to be vaccinated from the disease | :15:36. | :15:37. | |
became the biggest ever, supported by over 800,000 people. | :15:38. | :15:39. | |
But ministers rejected their campaign as not cost-effective. | :15:40. | :15:41. | |
Let's speak now to Jen and Neil Burdett. | :15:42. | :15:48. | |
Why do you feel that the Government has flippantly ignored the campaign? | :15:49. | :15:57. | |
To tell you the truth, I'm not too sure, because we feel a lot of | :15:58. | :16:04. | |
evidence was given, and a lot of people back to us from MPs to the | :16:05. | :16:11. | |
professionals, but for some reason, the answer they game that -- gave | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
the end of all that was the same as the one they gave at the beginning? | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
Do you think that they didn't listen, then? It would seem that | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
way. If you took all the evidence that was given like a courtroom, the | :16:26. | :16:29. | |
amount of evidence, the amount of support it got to give the vaccine, | :16:30. | :16:34. | |
they just don't seem to have listened to any of it. It is cheaper | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
for them to not give the vaccine and allow the programme to naturally | :16:40. | :16:45. | |
roll-out for the next five years, the vaccination of inference, which | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
would mean that in five years, all children up to the age of five are | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
vaccinated. But it is just the call of how many people have to be maimed | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
and die before that happens. It is too many. We think that for the | :16:58. | :17:05. | |
process that it went through, they had professionals, they had asked | :17:06. | :17:16. | |
us, everybody we spoke to agreed that the under fives should be | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
protected. They are the most vulnerable group, the group that | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
can't speak for themselves, they can't express or communicate what | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
they are feeling going through. And as we found, medical professions | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
struggled to diagnose it, it hides itself well, disguised as other | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
viruses. We just felt that they are left so vulnerable, the only thing | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
that you can do is to vaccinate them, that is the best protection. | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
It is pretty stinging criticism from you. Do you feel angry, let down, | :17:49. | :17:56. | |
how do you feel? Frustrated. We use the system that is put in place by | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
the Government to voice everyone's opinion, and let them know what | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
everyday people want and think, we use the system to its best ability, | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
with the best petition that ever has been raised, and still it seemed | :18:10. | :18:22. | |
like they were dotting their is and crossing their ts. From the amount | :18:23. | :18:30. | |
of professionals that seemed to agree, we just don't understand how | :18:31. | :18:33. | |
they could have looked at all of that evidence and still said no. How | :18:34. | :18:39. | |
cost-effective is a child's life? But that is what they did, and what | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
they are doing instead is launching an awareness campaign. Which | :18:44. | :18:51. | |
Meningitis Now have been doing for 30 years, and asked putting our | :18:52. | :18:54. | |
daughter's photograph Alt there did amazing awareness programme just | :18:55. | :19:01. | |
because they saw what it can do, and the Government isn't just doing a | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
Meningitis B programme, it is going to be a variation of programmes, so | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
it is not specific to just our cause,... And the amount of what | :19:12. | :19:18. | |
awareness we have raised already, and Meningitis Now continue to do | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
theirs, we don't think this is enough. There is a vaccine, and it | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
needs to be used for the most vulnerable. That was our driving | :19:28. | :19:34. | |
force behind this. Is part of the issue from your own experience that | :19:35. | :19:37. | |
it is difficult to diagnose? Hugely pro-. And the medical profession | :19:38. | :19:43. | |
agree with that. They have perhaps ten children coming in like Faye, | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
and nine of them have a viral infection, but it is the one that | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
doesn't that it is destroying. And Faye was misdiagnosed initially by | :19:54. | :20:01. | |
Dr? Yes, it was initially treated as a viral infection, and as parents we | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
had never seen it, so after seeing three doctors, you take that as that | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
is what is wrong with her. She is just ill. And if you have a healthy | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
child, you have seen three doctors, you tend to believe them. Of course | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
you do. There is nothing else you can do. But this as we saw from the | :20:21. | :20:26. | |
photos you shared with people, this is an illness that rapidly can | :20:27. | :20:32. | |
consume the child. Yes, and that is the problem, if it is misdiagnosed, | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
as soon as the child becomes unwell, the clock starts ticking, and you | :20:38. | :20:40. | |
don't have time to go backwards and forwards to your GP or the hospital. | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
It needs to be seen, treated and dealt with just a slowdown the | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
destruction of it, because children can survive this, but it is how they | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
are left afterwards as well. It isn't just the children who die. We | :20:55. | :21:02. | |
brought that up in the debate, the joint vaccination committee on | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
immunisations, they said again if you look at it in terms of America | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
when there is a suspected case, they take blood samples, they start | :21:11. | :21:13. | |
treatment, if the blood comes back clear, they stop the treatment. Even | :21:14. | :21:18. | |
they agreed if we adopted that in this country, you might as well | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
vaccinate, because the amount of money it is going to cost to start | :21:23. | :21:26. | |
treatment, to get a quick lot of blood Diamond back again, | :21:27. | :21:32. | |
vaccination would be cheaper. And when you savour those who do | :21:33. | :21:35. | |
survive, it is what happens afterwards, what you are referring | :21:36. | :21:40. | |
to is that children can lose limbs, and you didn't feel that the cost of | :21:41. | :21:44. | |
the NHS care after when a child survives is taken into account? Not | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
effectively. They have a strange deduction system put in place, and | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
that is what we would try to get them to look at, if they change | :21:54. | :21:56. | |
that, it would be cost-effective, and lots of people have come forward | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
and said it would be cost-effective. But again it is spending money to | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
get them to look at it again, they don't feel it is worth it. They did | :22:07. | :22:12. | |
mention that there was a report from the JVC I coming out in September, | :22:13. | :22:18. | |
which is what the MPs told us after the debate, and they are hoping that | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
in that, there is recommendation is to change that formula, to take it | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
into account, the longer spell of disability that will be after, and | :22:29. | :22:34. | |
if they change that, that would make it cost-effective. Can I ask you | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
both about the decision you took at the end of Faye's life? We both knew | :22:39. | :22:46. | |
quite early on when we found out that there was a vaccination to stop | :22:47. | :22:52. | |
this happening, we both felt straightaway... We didn't know about | :22:53. | :22:58. | |
it, it was something that had been out for six or seven months it had | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
been available, and we didn't have a clue. That there was even a vaccine | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
out there. So straightaway, we knew that people should know that there | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
is a vaccine, and if you want to pay privately, you can go and do that. | :23:14. | :23:18. | |
But we felt that not everybody can afford to go privately to do it, | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
because it is expensive, and if you have two or three children, how do | :23:23. | :23:28. | |
you choose what child you vaccinate? And because of the decision we made | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
at the end of Faye's life, we never, ever want to imagine another family | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
having to make the decision that we did. No parent should decide whether | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
the kindest thing to do is to allow your child to die, because it caught | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
a disease which it could be vaccinated against. That drove us | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
forward, because we thought, we have to make people aware that you just | :23:51. | :23:58. | |
can't ever imagine being put in that position, and you want to protect | :23:59. | :24:00. | |
others from going through the same thing. So where does your campaign | :24:01. | :24:06. | |
go now? We stress that people need to be vigilant of the signs. That is | :24:07. | :24:12. | |
always the top priority. But also to listen to how you feel. If your | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
child is an well to a degree that has never been that ill before, and | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
you to a GP or paediatric octave, and they send you home, and your gut | :24:23. | :24:27. | |
instinct says, this isn't right, from somebody who isn't that | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
forceful, I say, you must push. You must ask the second opinions, | :24:34. | :24:36. | |
because at the end of the day, time is of the essence. If you feel that | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
your child is so out of character, you have to speak for them, because | :24:42. | :24:47. | |
sadly, the doctors can't always diagnose this like they should. You | :24:48. | :24:54. | |
can get cards from doctors surgeries, hospitals, schools, | :24:55. | :24:56. | |
nurseries, and they have all the symptoms in there, the cold hands, | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
the headaches, not wanting to be touched. Don't wait for the rash. | :25:01. | :25:08. | |
And even if none of those symptoms are there, trust your own instincts | :25:09. | :25:15. | |
and get them help. Because of our daughter only been two, people need | :25:16. | :25:22. | |
to be aware that not just babies, toddlers but young children, | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
teenagers, adult, we try to protect the youngest, because they have the | :25:27. | :25:33. | |
highest fatality now, but if your teenager looks unwell and start | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
acting strange, you have to do the same. And you could lose someone | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
within 12 hours from this disease, it is horrendous. Thank you both | :25:42. | :25:48. | |
very much for coming on the show. All the best with the campaign. | :25:49. | :25:49. | |
Thank you. We got in touch with | :25:50. | :25:52. | |
the Department of Health. they've asked Public Health England | :25:53. | :25:54. | |
to develop a new national awareness campaign to help parents spot signs | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
of dangerous infections like meningitis, | :25:59. | :26:00. | |
sepsis and septicemia. They said they'd be working closely | :26:01. | :26:03. | |
with charities and clinical experts to make this as effective | :26:04. | :26:05. | |
as possible and to roll this out They also acknowledged that whilst | :26:06. | :26:08. | |
nothing can make up for the loss of a child, this new campaign | :26:09. | :26:18. | |
will build on the awareness already raised by the family who have | :26:19. | :26:21. | |
bravely spoken out about David Cameron's facing more pressure | :26:22. | :26:24. | |
to accept an additional 3,000 unaccompanied child | :26:25. | :26:30. | |
refugees from Syria. A personal appeal has been | :26:31. | :26:31. | |
made by Sir Eric Reich, who chairs a group of former Jewish | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
refugees who were allowed into the Ministers argue that offering | :26:36. | :26:38. | |
sanctuary to lone children could result in more falling | :26:39. | :26:48. | |
into the hands of traffickers. Chantler George Osborne says that | :26:49. | :27:08. | |
discussions are ongoing. Discussions are ongoing, and that is why we are | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
taking people from the refugee camps, and working with others, with | :27:13. | :27:16. | |
charities, with other political parties, talking to people about | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
what we can do to help the unaccompanied children as well. We | :27:20. | :27:22. | |
are already providing financial support. So those discussions will | :27:23. | :27:28. | |
go on, and you will hear what we have got to say in due course. Let's | :27:29. | :27:36. | |
talk now to Sir Eric Reich, who came as a refugee is a child in 1944 from | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
Nazi occupied Europe. Tell us what you have said in your appeal to | :27:41. | :27:41. | |
David Cameron. My main appeal is that they are | :27:42. | :27:51. | |
unaccompanied children, they are in Europe, and Mr Cameron thinks they | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
are safe, but they are not. They hide in woods, they hide from | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
authorities, the girls are raped, they are in trafficking, all kinds | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
of things, and 10,000 children have been lost, nobody knows where they | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
are, so they are not safe. And my view is, given that I came on what | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
was then called the Kindertransport, Britain should help a little bit | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
more. Are you thinking about numbers? I don't think numbers is a | :28:21. | :28:28. | |
criteria here, because you put a number there, you never know if you | :28:29. | :28:33. | |
can achieve it, if you go over or what. It is just the help that was | :28:34. | :28:42. | |
required in 1938 /39 when 10,000 children came, it is a parallel, but | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
it is not exactly the same, because the parents were not allowed to | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
come, whereas here, it is slightly different, and I'm sure a few people | :28:51. | :28:57. | |
would get through who were not proper refugees. So what? That is | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
the way I would put it. We are saving children from the abomination | :29:03. | :29:07. | |
that is happening to them in Europe. Tell our audience a little bit more | :29:08. | :29:10. | |
about your own circumstances when you were little boy. I was born in | :29:11. | :29:18. | |
Vienna, the youngest of three boys, and how it all started was that the | :29:19. | :29:24. | |
Polish government, not the Austrians or Germans, decided that all Jews | :29:25. | :29:31. | |
living outside Poland, and there were many, because they had run | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
away, had to come back to revalidate their passports. The Nazis thought | :29:37. | :29:42. | |
it was a wonderful idea. They chucked out back to the border, I | :29:43. | :29:46. | |
don't know quite how many, but at least 5000 families, amongst the | :29:47. | :29:52. | |
mine. And amongst the people there that were chucked out was a guy | :29:53. | :29:58. | |
whose son was studying in Paris. He was so incensed, and remember this | :29:59. | :30:05. | |
was before the war, he went to the German Embassy and shot the German | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
consul. This triggered off Kristalnacht, the | :30:10. | :30:26. | |
night of the broken glass. It would have happened anyway. So they try to | :30:27. | :30:33. | |
change the rules to allow Jews to coming, but the actual speech was | :30:34. | :30:42. | |
made by Mr Noel Baker, a Quaker, and sometime in November 1938, he | :30:43. | :30:45. | |
suggested to the government that they allow up to 10,000 children in, | :30:46. | :30:52. | |
up to the age of 17, into the UK. Now, I must emphasise that the | :30:53. | :31:02. | |
community in the UK were very, very positive. There were a lot of people | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
against it, as they are today, but there was no television, and there | :31:08. | :31:17. | |
wasn't an immediate response, so these children, I must again also | :31:18. | :31:21. | |
emphasise that a survey that we did, they contributed enormous amounts to | :31:22. | :31:29. | |
England, to the United Kingdom. Two Nobel Prize winners, three players | :31:30. | :31:36. | |
from the Amadeus Quartet, there were famous people, people who | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
contributed back to the country that they now call their home, and I call | :31:42. | :31:46. | |
my home. And myself, I was too young, if you remember all of the | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
children were evacuated just before the war, I arrived with my middle | :31:51. | :32:00. | |
brother in August 1939, the 29th of August 1939, very late. Where was | :32:01. | :32:05. | |
your older brother? He came a bit earlier. He is now in Australia, but | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
that is another story. I was too young to go to school. They were all | :32:11. | :32:15. | |
evacuated, they went to the Jewish free school, which was in the east | :32:16. | :32:23. | |
end Ben, and they were evacuated to Ely. | :32:24. | :32:31. | |
I was sent to Dorking in Surrey. There was a composer and he had a | :32:32. | :32:42. | |
guy called EM Foster, not bad. A bit of research that I did, also | :32:43. | :32:52. | |
suddenly unveiled that William' great-uncle was Charles Darwin. So | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
there time from Eastern Europe and I'm in amongst the middle-class and | :32:58. | :33:01. | |
upper middle-class of the British society. Anyway, I was sent to a | :33:02. | :33:10. | |
refugee home in Dorking in survey. As I said the chairman was a man | :33:11. | :33:18. | |
called Mr Williams. All the families there were Jewish except wurpks they | :33:19. | :33:30. | |
were refugees from check low Slovakia. They fostered me. So for a | :33:31. | :33:35. | |
period of time, I went to church, I went to Sunday School, I did these | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
lovely things. In a way, it has given me if you if like a different | :33:41. | :33:46. | |
prospective of life. Can I ask you Sir Eric, it feels like pressure is | :33:47. | :33:50. | |
building on David Cameron to change the proposals and it sounds like | :33:51. | :33:56. | |
that's going to happen. Change the proposals so that 3,000 | :33:57. | :33:58. | |
unaccompanied children can come if they have relatives here. Is that | :33:59. | :34:01. | |
going to be enough for people like you? I don't think solicitor. I | :34:02. | :34:06. | |
think they should just say 3,000 kids should come in. I don't want to | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
put a number on it. I just think we should be a bit more, you know, it | :34:12. | :34:15. | |
reminds me, I must tell you, it stayed with me, it will stay with me | :34:16. | :34:23. | |
my entire life. At the celebrations of the 70th anniversary, we invited | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
as the guest speaker, Prince Charles. He came. He gave a very | :34:28. | :34:34. | |
short speech at the end. He gave it to about 500 kinder, all in their | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
early 80s because now it is nearly the 80th anniversary, but that's | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
another story. At the very end he said, "I'm so pleased that the | :34:44. | :34:46. | |
British Government of the time allowed you in. You've contributed | :34:47. | :34:50. | |
so much that I'm proud to be British. ." That is the difference. | :34:51. | :34:56. | |
Yes. Yes. Well, we will see what happens, but thank you very much for | :34:57. | :34:59. | |
talking to us. Thank you. It is a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you for | :35:00. | :35:05. | |
coming on the programme, Sir Erich Reich. Get in touch on that story if | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
you want to. Tobacco companies have lost | :35:11. | :35:13. | |
a European court bid challenging the UK's plans to introduce plain | :35:14. | :35:15. | |
packaging for cigarettes. We'll hear the arguments | :35:16. | :35:17. | |
for and against. Will Britain be safer staying | :35:18. | :35:20. | |
in the European Union Joanna Gosling's in the BBC | :35:21. | :35:24. | |
Newsroom with a summary The US billionaire, Donald Trump | :35:25. | :35:36. | |
is now almost certain to win the Republican | :35:37. | :35:52. | |
presidential nomination after his main rival, Ted Cruz, | :35:53. | :35:54. | |
withdrew from the race Mr Cruz said losing the Indiana | :35:55. | :35:56. | |
primary meant he could no longer see Tobacco companies have lost | :35:57. | :36:00. | |
a challenge to the Government's plans to enforce plain packing | :36:01. | :36:04. | |
on all tobacco products The court has ruled that the new EU | :36:05. | :36:06. | |
directive on tobacco is valid. The Labour Party's facing more | :36:07. | :36:17. | |
criticism over its handling of alleged anti-Semitism | :36:18. | :36:19. | |
within its ranks. Britain's top Rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis, | :36:20. | :36:21. | |
says Labour has a "severe problem" and warns in an article | :36:22. | :36:23. | |
in the Daily Telegraph that it will get worse if the recently | :36:24. | :36:26. | |
announced inquiry into the issue was used as "sticking | :36:27. | :36:28. | |
plaster" to placate voters. Southern Health NHS Trust | :36:29. | :36:30. | |
is investigating an abusive answer phone message left for a mother | :36:31. | :36:33. | |
whose son died while in its care. Sara Ryan has been campaigning for | :36:34. | :36:36. | |
changes in the trust since her son Connor Sparrowhawk drowned in a bath | :36:37. | :36:40. | |
at one of its units in Oxfordshire. A woman who claimed she worked | :36:41. | :36:44. | |
for the mental health provider called Dr Ryan's office | :36:45. | :36:46. | |
on the day that the regulator, the Care Quality Commission issued | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
a report criticising the Trust. David Cameron's facing more pressure | :36:51. | :36:58. | |
to accept an additional 3,000 unaccompanied child | :36:59. | :37:00. | |
refugees from Syria. A personal appeal has been | :37:01. | :37:01. | |
made by Sir Eric Reich - who chairs a group of former Jewish | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
refugees who were allowed into the UK on the so-called | :37:05. | :37:07. | |
Kindertransport on the eve Ministers argue that offering | :37:08. | :37:14. | |
sanctuary to lone children could result in more falling | :37:15. | :37:17. | |
into the hands of traffickers. Mr Cameron thinks they're safe, but | :37:18. | :37:24. | |
they're not. They hide in woods. They hide from authorities. They are | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
raped, the girls. They are in trafficking. There are all kinds of | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
things and 10,000 children have been lost. Nobody knows where they are. | :37:34. | :37:40. | |
Police have begun digging in the garden of a couple | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
who were friends with serial killers Fred and Rose West in | :37:46. | :37:47. | |
David and Pauline Williams were jailed last year for a series | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
of offences against ten boys and girls, including rape, | :37:52. | :37:53. | |
Officers say they began the investigation of the couple's | :37:54. | :37:56. | |
home in the village of Bradninch, in Devon, after a tip-off. | :37:57. | :37:59. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :38:00. | :38:01. | |
It is time for the sport now and here is Jessica. | :38:02. | :38:10. | |
Manchester are 90 minutes from their first Champions League final. | :38:11. | :38:12. | |
They'll have to get past ten times winners Real Madrid and Christiano | :38:13. | :38:15. | |
The striker has been passed fit to play in tonight's | :38:16. | :38:19. | |
City already know who their opponents will be | :38:20. | :38:22. | |
Even though Atletico lost to Bayern Munich last night, | :38:23. | :38:26. | |
they're through to the final on away goals. | :38:27. | :38:28. | |
Antoine Griezemann with the crucial strike. | :38:29. | :38:30. | |
It's been less than 48-hours since Leicester City's historic | :38:31. | :38:37. | |
Premier League title win and their manager Claudio Ranieri | :38:38. | :38:40. | |
has already had to send out a "hands off" warning to other | :38:41. | :38:43. | |
Ranieri is expecting offers from around Europe, but wants his | :38:44. | :38:48. | |
newly crowned champions to stay at the club and continue the hard | :38:49. | :38:51. | |
And Andy Murray is back to winning ways. | :38:52. | :38:54. | |
He's beaten Radek Stepanek in three sets at the Madrid Masters, | :38:55. | :38:57. | |
so the world number two goes through to the third round. | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
That's all the sport for now. I will vl an update for you at 10am. | :39:02. | :39:11. | |
The European Court of Justice refused a challenge from two big | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
tobacco companies ruling that the new, EU directive on tobacco | :39:16. | :39:21. | |
products is valid. There are plans to introduce plain packaging for all | :39:22. | :39:25. | |
tobacco products from the end of this month. OK, explain in plain | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
English. Well, this is complicated litigation. So there is a European | :39:31. | :39:35. | |
directive that governs things like the packaging of cigarette products. | :39:36. | :39:40. | |
And what it says is for instance that 65% of the packet has to | :39:41. | :39:43. | |
display a warning, whether that be in writing or whether that be those | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
grisly photographs that you see of lung damage. What was being argued | :39:49. | :39:52. | |
here by the tobacco companies was that when individual member states | :39:53. | :39:56. | |
within the EU seeking to beyond that directive, in other words, to impose | :39:57. | :40:02. | |
plain packaging on cigarettes, that is unlawful and that it infringes | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
their right to freely move goods around Europe because if you have | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
got a pack that's got the logo, the branding on, that's for sale in | :40:11. | :40:15. | |
Italy, but as soon as it gets to the UK, plain packaging has to be | :40:16. | :40:18. | |
imposed on it. Then that prevents the free movement of those goods. | :40:19. | :40:21. | |
That was what was at the heart of this challenge. This morning, the | :40:22. | :40:24. | |
European Court of Justice has said no, it ruled against the tobacco | :40:25. | :40:29. | |
companies. It said it is valid. Member states are entitled to bring | :40:30. | :40:32. | |
in plain packaging. It is currently being brought in in the UK, France | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
and Ireland also are intending to do so. So as you say, this brings plain | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
packaging a step closer. I should just say that there is litigation in | :40:43. | :40:46. | |
the UK courts where the companies are trying to stop plain packaging | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
through a different route. They are saying, "You, the UK, can't simply | :40:52. | :40:57. | |
deny us our intellectual property." If you take the Marlborough rooftop, | :40:58. | :41:04. | |
they say that's intellectual property worth $1 billionment they | :41:05. | :41:07. | |
are seeking through that route. We should get a judgement in the next | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
couple of weeks on that one, but the UK court was keen for the European | :41:12. | :41:16. | |
Court of Justice to make this ruling first. You're right, plain packaging | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
a step closer today. OK, thank you very much, Clive. Let's talk to a | :41:21. | :41:26. | |
smoker and also we will hear from cancer council Victoria, to get | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
evidence from Australia where they introduced plain packaging in | :41:32. | :41:32. | |
December 2012. How long have you been smoking? | :41:33. | :41:45. | |
Since my teenage days. Do you think it would have had any effect on | :41:46. | :41:48. | |
whether you picked up a cigarette or not? I don't think so. I think this | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
is where the heart of the issue s it is focussed on the effect that it | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
has on young people and churn and it actually denies the rights of adults | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
to smoke if they want to. How does it deny the right of adults to | :42:01. | :42:05. | |
smoke? I imposing plain packaging and all the gross photos that we | :42:06. | :42:08. | |
have at the moment, it says that the State has a role in nudging people a | :42:09. | :42:12. | |
certain way and the Government has a role in convincing people to not | :42:13. | :42:15. | |
smoke when I don't see that's its business at all. It doesn't deny you | :42:16. | :42:20. | |
the right to smoke if the packaging is plain? Mpl it is the principle in | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
saying there should be a nudge. You shouldn't be doing this, look at the | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
package of the horrible lungs. You shouldn't be doing this when people | :42:30. | :42:32. | |
should have the freedom to smoke if they want or not. They do? It is | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
making more difficult. It is behind shutters and all sorts of things | :42:38. | :42:41. | |
imposed on smokers and I have no great love for big tobacco | :42:42. | :42:44. | |
companies, I think it should be no business of the State whether I | :42:45. | :42:47. | |
smoke or drink or eat fatty foods. Yes. Even though it cost the lung | :42:48. | :42:54. | |
cancer and other smoking related illnesses cost the NHS a fortune? I | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
don't see the NHS as having a role in nudging people. The NHS and you | :43:00. | :43:02. | |
know, medical services is to help people not to tell people how to | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
live their lives. So I really reject that idea. Do you, even though it | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
costs a fortune and if people didn't smoke in the first place, the money | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
could be spent on something else? Smoking, I really enjoy smoking and | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
it has been, you know, a large proportion of the population smoke | :43:20. | :43:23. | |
and to just suddenly say that we shouldn't or we should change our | :43:24. | :43:25. | |
lives for this reason is unreasonable. It is reducing the | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
numbers are reducing, aren't they, of smokers? Slightly, not so much as | :43:30. | :43:38. | |
they make out. Let's talk to our guests then from Cancer Council. I | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
don't have your name. Can you introduce yourself. Good morning. | :43:43. | :43:49. | |
I'm the manager of tobacco control policy at the Cancer Council in | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
Melbourne in Australia. You are the organisation monitoring whether | :43:55. | :43:56. | |
plain panelling is working in Australia. It was introduced, I | :43:57. | :44:03. | |
think, December 2012. Has it worked? That's correct. Sure. Actually there | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
are a number of organisations monitoring what is working and in | :44:10. | :44:11. | |
particular the Australian Government. The Australian | :44:12. | :44:14. | |
Government released the report in February this year that showed that | :44:15. | :44:18. | |
plain packaging is absolutely working. It is working to meet the | :44:19. | :44:22. | |
objectives of the plain packaging Act and it had a significant impact | :44:23. | :44:26. | |
on reducing smoking rates in Australia. So that's a great public | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
health win. Significant in what way? How much has it come down by since | :44:31. | :44:38. | |
it was introduced? Smoking rates deceased from 15.1% in 2010 to 12.8% | :44:39. | :44:45. | |
in 2013. That is the biggest drop we have seen in around 20 years in | :44:46. | :44:52. | |
Australia. And the review showed that plain packaging was responsible | :44:53. | :44:56. | |
for around a quarter of that large drop. So... Sorry, it was from 15% | :44:57. | :45:02. | |
to what did you say just to be clear? 12.8%. Is that really | :45:03. | :45:09. | |
significant? If only a quarter was down to plain packaging? | :45:10. | :45:19. | |
Yeah, absolutely. Smoking rates drop slowly. So significantly | :45:20. | :45:25. | |
statistically and so that's a 2% drop over that period. So that | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
certainly a great outcome. As I said, that's the biggest drop we | :45:31. | :45:33. | |
have seen in a three year period in 20 years. | :45:34. | :45:40. | |
But a quarter of that is down to plain packaging, so something else | :45:41. | :45:46. | |
is working better? Not necessarily. Plain packaging was never meant to | :45:47. | :45:54. | |
be a magic answer, it was always said it would be part of the | :45:55. | :45:59. | |
comprehensive range of measures. So in Australia, we have had tax | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
increases, campaigns on televisions, plain packaging, so that | :46:04. | :46:10. | |
comprehensive approach is what is needed to drive down smoking rates. | :46:11. | :46:15. | |
Some people have been impacted I plain packaging, certainly younger | :46:16. | :46:20. | |
people have, and many smokers have quit as a result, but no country can | :46:21. | :46:27. | |
rely on one thing. Ella, you are shaking your head in, disagreement? | :46:28. | :46:37. | |
What are you thinking is Kylie is telling us about this drop-in | :46:38. | :46:40. | |
smoking? It is not a significant drop, and the important thing is | :46:41. | :46:44. | |
that everybody knows smoking is bad for you. You cannot be under the | :46:45. | :46:48. | |
impression that anybody doesn't know. We are safe in the knowledge | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
that people who are smoking know that it is bad for them, and are | :46:54. | :46:58. | |
making that conscious choice as adults, the same way that having | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
four chocolate bars in a day is bad for you, sometimes I just want to do | :47:04. | :47:08. | |
it. It is allowing people to make that free choice, and what these | :47:09. | :47:11. | |
campaigns do is try to remove that by saying to people, there is a | :47:12. | :47:15. | |
certain way we should live our lives, and people like me absolutely | :47:16. | :47:20. | |
reject that. Kylie, very quickly, go for it. I think it is really | :47:21. | :47:26. | |
disingenuous to claim that smokers have a free choice. Many smokers are | :47:27. | :47:32. | |
very addicted to the product, nicotine is incredibly addictive, | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
80% of smokers want to quit, so there is not a lot of free choice | :47:37. | :47:39. | |
left when you edit it to a highly dip product. Thank you, both of you. | :47:40. | :47:46. | |
A couple of messages. Steve says plain packaging is daft, but he | :47:47. | :47:53. | |
doesn't blame why. Charlotte says she can't understand why anyone | :47:54. | :47:55. | |
would smoke, but don't forget the amount of tax paid on every pack. | :47:56. | :48:00. | |
James says, Winnie affects of lung cancer have such huge effects on the | :48:01. | :48:03. | |
NHS, the state does have a role to nudge people. | :48:04. | :48:06. | |
The countdown is on to the EU referendum vote. | :48:07. | :48:09. | |
On June the 23rd, you'll decide whether you want Britain to leave | :48:10. | :48:11. | |
In the run up, we've hopefully been guiding you through a relevant | :48:12. | :48:16. | |
issue every week, in plain English, because some of the terms | :48:17. | :48:19. | |
and language being used by campaigners can be obscure | :48:20. | :48:21. | |
So far we've covered the economy, jobs and immigration. | :48:22. | :48:27. | |
This week we're looking at national security. | :48:28. | :48:29. | |
Will Britain be safer stayingin the European Union | :48:30. | :48:30. | |
Here's our political guru Norman Smith, from College Green | :48:31. | :48:36. | |
Welcome to an absolutely beautiful day in Westminster, sun-kissed we | :48:37. | :48:48. | |
are today. So, national security. I guess for the past 70 years in | :48:49. | :48:52. | |
Europe we have enjoyed relative peace apart from the conflict in the | :48:53. | :48:58. | |
Balkans. But is that peace because of the European Union, or is the | :48:59. | :49:01. | |
European Union completely irrelevant to all that? Let's take a look at | :49:02. | :49:06. | |
some of the facts and figures first off about how much military muscle | :49:07. | :49:10. | |
we actually have if we wanted to stand alone. Here is our British | :49:11. | :49:17. | |
Bulldog, doesn't look much like a bulldog, but bear with. What sort of | :49:18. | :49:25. | |
bite does he have? We are nuclear power, one of the very few countries | :49:26. | :49:28. | |
in the world which has its own nuclear deterrent. Second, we spend | :49:29. | :49:36. | |
around 2% of our national income on defence, which frankly is more than | :49:37. | :49:45. | |
any other EU country, and lastly, we have around 195,000 soldiers, | :49:46. | :49:50. | |
sailors, airmen and women. We are a sizeable fighting force. So what | :49:51. | :49:56. | |
happens if our British Bulldog becomes a Brexit bulldog and leaves | :49:57. | :50:06. | |
his Gozi you can all? -- leaves his cosy EU kennel. Leave voters say | :50:07. | :50:18. | |
that it would give us more control over our borders, and top spies say | :50:19. | :50:22. | |
that our intelligence may be more secure because we don't have to | :50:23. | :50:24. | |
share it with 27 other European countries. Lastly, we are member of | :50:25. | :50:31. | |
Nato, and that is the reason they say that we have really been secure, | :50:32. | :50:34. | |
nothing to do with the European Union. And the Ukip leader Nigel | :50:35. | :50:40. | |
Farage argues that even if we leave, we can still cooperate over | :50:41. | :50:43. | |
intelligence and defence with other European countries. Should countries | :50:44. | :50:49. | |
share information to fight international terrorism? Yes. The | :50:50. | :50:53. | |
country we share information with most closely is the USA, but nobody | :50:54. | :50:57. | |
is proposing we have to become the 51st state to make that work. | :50:58. | :51:01. | |
Outside the European Union, we can still call operate with our European | :51:02. | :51:04. | |
friends, and Interpol has been around since the 1920s. Nation state | :51:05. | :51:10. | |
should cooperate. But what happens if our Brexit all dog decides to | :51:11. | :51:21. | |
stay in his kennel? The Remain campaigners say partnerships are | :51:22. | :51:25. | |
critical to defence, and we can cooperate over military planning, | :51:26. | :51:27. | |
intelligence gathering, fighting terrorism. Secondly, our top allies | :51:28. | :51:35. | |
from around the world, countries like Australia, New Zealand, France, | :51:36. | :51:38. | |
they have all said that international security would be | :51:39. | :51:43. | |
destabilised if we left the European Union. And lastly, there is the | :51:44. | :51:52. | |
Putin factor. The fear that the only person who really wants to see | :51:53. | :51:55. | |
Britain leave and PE you possibly to break up is President Putin, because | :51:56. | :52:01. | |
he would view that as an advantage, and that is a real security risk to | :52:02. | :52:07. | |
Britain. And President Obama has for a long time now warned that if | :52:08. | :52:11. | |
written leaves, not only is the special relationship made altogether | :52:12. | :52:15. | |
more wobbly, but our client in the world will be reduced. Having the | :52:16. | :52:22. | |
United Kingdom in the European Union gives us much greater confidence | :52:23. | :52:26. | |
about the strength of the transatlantic union. And is part of | :52:27. | :52:32. | |
the cornerstone of institutions built after World War II that has | :52:33. | :52:39. | |
made the world safer and more prosperous. And we want to make sure | :52:40. | :52:44. | |
that the United Kingdom continues to have that influence. It is one of | :52:45. | :52:53. | |
the big, big issues. I guess you can put it alongside the economy, | :52:54. | :52:56. | |
immigration, national security, do people feel safer being part of the | :52:57. | :53:01. | |
European Union or actually think we would be a lot better on our own? It | :53:02. | :53:06. | |
is one of the key decisions in this referendum. Thank you, Norman. | :53:07. | :53:08. | |
We now speak to the Government's Minister for the Armed Forces, Penny | :53:09. | :53:11. | |
Baroness Pauline Neville-Jones, a former Minister of State | :53:12. | :53:18. | |
for Security and Counter Terrorism, who wants you to vote to stay in. | :53:19. | :53:20. | |
Welcome to both of you. Pauline Neville-Jones, would Britain let in | :53:21. | :53:27. | |
more potential terrorists if it remains inside the EU or leaves? The | :53:28. | :53:31. | |
decision on who comes into this country is a British decision. | :53:32. | :53:37. | |
Contrary to what the Leave campaigners say, we do have control | :53:38. | :53:43. | |
of our borders in that it is our decision, and if we do let people | :53:44. | :53:47. | |
in, it is because there has been a failure of our controls, it is not | :53:48. | :53:57. | |
an EU failure. So it depends crucially on how informed we are | :53:58. | :54:00. | |
about people coming in, and the way we get information is increasingly | :54:01. | :54:05. | |
through police cooperation, and the police are very important in all of | :54:06. | :54:09. | |
this. What you need to have is the information coming in from other | :54:10. | :54:13. | |
countries about who is moving about, and when they get to your border, if | :54:14. | :54:16. | |
you have that information, you can stop them. My concern is that if we | :54:17. | :54:21. | |
leave, it isn't that people will suddenly Carter Sorloth, but we will | :54:22. | :54:26. | |
have to renegotiate all of those agreements, -- it isn't the people | :54:27. | :54:31. | |
will suddenly cut us all off. Iain Duncan Smith said Britain would be | :54:32. | :54:37. | |
more exposed to the Paris style terror attacks if it stays in the | :54:38. | :54:43. | |
EU, and his logic was this, he says other EU countries could give | :54:44. | :54:46. | |
passports to individuals, allowing them then to travel freely to the | :54:47. | :54:50. | |
UK, because Britain as members of the EU has to accept the free | :54:51. | :54:56. | |
movement of people. The keyword there is that they will be able to | :54:57. | :55:00. | |
travel freely, Britain has the right and duty to stop criminals and | :55:01. | :55:03. | |
terrorists entering the country, and we have the border controls to do | :55:04. | :55:09. | |
that. So there is no way in which we can say that we are obliged to get | :55:10. | :55:16. | |
these people in, and so when we do, it is because one of two things, | :55:17. | :55:20. | |
either there has been an intelligence failure, a corporation | :55:21. | :55:25. | |
failure, or they have committed an act when they have got here that you | :55:26. | :55:31. | |
couldn't have predicted. And lots of criminals from other countries do | :55:32. | :55:35. | |
this. It isn't uniquely European. Penny mordant, what Pauline | :55:36. | :55:42. | |
Neville-Jones says, what David Cameron, your boss says, is that EU | :55:43. | :55:47. | |
membership is vital for fighting terrorism, because we can share | :55:48. | :55:50. | |
information and intelligence, we can share data. Is there any evidence | :55:51. | :55:55. | |
Britain would be safer outside the EU? I think there is. First of all, | :55:56. | :56:02. | |
defence and security arrangements which are of value would endure if | :56:03. | :56:08. | |
we left the U. How do you know that? They are open all ready to nonmember | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
State and Nato, so we could still cooperate, and I think it is crazy | :56:13. | :56:16. | |
to say that France or Germany or any other EU member would put its own | :56:17. | :56:20. | |
citizens at risk and hours out of spite. I think that what is valued, | :56:21. | :56:25. | |
the operational cooperation that actually keeps us safe, will endure. | :56:26. | :56:30. | |
The issue that I take issue with on what Pauline has said is that we | :56:31. | :56:35. | |
have some control over our borders certainly, and are in a better | :56:36. | :56:38. | |
position than other EU member states, but we don't have full | :56:39. | :56:41. | |
control, so we have to apply different thresholds of evidence | :56:42. | :56:46. | |
when we are concerned about an individual whether they come from | :56:47. | :56:51. | |
outside the EU or whether they come from a member state, and at the | :56:52. | :56:57. | |
moment, Europol estimates we have about 5000 Daesh trained fighters in | :56:58. | :57:00. | |
Europe, but there are potentially more coming. We have accession | :57:01. | :57:05. | |
countries... So why would we let those in? Because you have to apply | :57:06. | :57:10. | |
a different level of evidence to those coming from the EU. If they | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
have a EU passport, even if you might have deep suspicions about how | :57:16. | :57:19. | |
they obtained it, you cannot apply the same thresholds but we would do | :57:20. | :57:22. | |
to someone coming from outside the EU. I am looking at the rules now. | :57:23. | :57:29. | |
You can block people coming in even with a EU passport on the grounds of | :57:30. | :57:33. | |
public security, policy or health. It is a different thresholds. No, | :57:34. | :57:40. | |
that's it. There was a ruling in 2014 which basically says that the | :57:41. | :57:43. | |
threshold we have to apply to those people has to be serious and | :57:44. | :57:49. | |
present... That is after ten years, don't mislead people. That is not | :57:50. | :57:54. | |
true. We have to apply a different thresholds. If we had full control | :57:55. | :57:58. | |
over our borders, we would apply the same threshold, and what this is | :57:59. | :58:04. | |
resulting in is a huge strain on our security services because if we have | :58:05. | :58:08. | |
sketchy information but we are concerned about someone, we cannot | :58:09. | :58:11. | |
prevent them coming in, we would be in breach of our requirements. I | :58:12. | :58:16. | |
don't think you are right, but I am prepared to go and check again after | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
the programme, and please do check yourself as well, I think you are | :58:21. | :58:24. | |
misleading people. The former head of MI6 said Britain would not be any | :58:25. | :58:28. | |
less safe or secure if we vote to leave. I read Richard Dearlove's | :58:29. | :58:34. | |
peace, and he is quite right about Nato, which is the mainstay of our | :58:35. | :58:38. | |
defence. But he is not right when he misses the fact that when we applied | :58:39. | :58:47. | |
pressure on Putin, what was our result on him taking over the | :58:48. | :58:50. | |
Crimea? It was economic. Those sanctions were inside the EU. It is | :58:51. | :58:54. | |
a partner to hard security, so wouldn't we want to be there? | :58:55. | :58:58. | |
Wouldn't we want to make sure that those sanctions were the right ones, | :58:59. | :59:03. | |
that the City wasn't unfairly treated, that they were balanced? So | :59:04. | :59:07. | |
it is important for us to have the EU power alongside the Nato power. | :59:08. | :59:12. | |
He also went on to say correctly that our relationship between the | :59:13. | :59:14. | |
intelligence agencies is bilateral, quite true. But I don't myself | :59:15. | :59:20. | |
believe that these bilateral corporative relationships, which are | :59:21. | :59:24. | |
very important to us, are somehow totally unaffected by the context in | :59:25. | :59:27. | |
which they are operating, and as I said right at the beginning, the | :59:28. | :59:32. | |
police matter to us a very great deal, not just in terms of this, and | :59:33. | :59:35. | |
Richard didn't talk about that at all, and that is becoming a key | :59:36. | :59:40. | |
element. A final thought to you, your boss, the Prime Minister, the | :59:41. | :59:45. | |
Foreign Secretary, the Defence Secretary, 12 former British defence | :59:46. | :59:48. | |
chiefs, the general secretary of Nato, all say that Britain is more | :59:49. | :59:54. | |
safe remaining in the EU. Why should we believe you, Boris Johnson, Nigel | :59:55. | :00:00. | |
Farage, Michael Gove and Priti Patel? This is our security | :00:01. | :00:07. | |
minister, the Home Secretary has raised concerns... Your boss | :00:08. | :00:13. | |
disagrees with you! There is a big long list of former heads of CIA, | :00:14. | :00:16. | |
former heads of MI6, while they should listen to us is we are | :00:17. | :00:22. | |
concerned about the operational security. Certainly no head of state | :00:23. | :00:26. | |
is going to go up and challenge our Prime Minister on what he says. They | :00:27. | :00:29. | |
have a political stake in ensuring good relationships. What I am | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
concerned about is the operational ability to keep our nation safe, and | :00:35. | :00:39. | |
what that requires is for us to take back full control of our borders. It | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
also means we need to ensure that the relationships we depend upon | :00:44. | :00:49. | |
with our partners on intelligence sharing are not being undermined by | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
EU rules, which is currently what is happening, and I would stress again, | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
we are not suggesting the UK is moved to the Arctic Circle. We want | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
to cooperate with Europe. Correctly that is extremely difficult because | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
through projects like a pan-European intelligence agency or EU army, we | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
are spending effort and resources on things which make no difference to | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
our operational capabilities at this critical time when we are facing | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
huge terrorist threat, all eyes and all our resources should be | :01:22. | :01:24. | |
protecting our borders and what is actually go to physically keep our | :01:25. | :01:27. | |
nation safe. Thank you both for coming on the | :01:28. | :01:29. | |
programme. It is your choice. Still to come, | :01:30. | :01:50. | |
Donald Trump is been touching distance of winning the Republican | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
nomination for the White House. Now the weather. Good morning. This | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
morning some of us got off to a beautiful start. There is a lot of | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
sunshine around. For some, there is some rain. Some of that getting into | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
Northern Ireland. You can see whiter cloud, that's associated with the | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
weather front introducing the rain and behind it, or just in front of | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
it, there is a bit more cloud coming in across Northern Ireland, Scotland | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
and Northern England. But a lot of that at this stage is high cloud. So | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
the further east that you are, the sunnier the conditions will be. But | :02:22. | :02:24. | |
as the rain comes in, windy conditions around it too. The cloud | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
will thicken. So through the afternoon for England and Wales, it | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
will remain dry and sunny. However, for Northern Ireland and Scotland, | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
we have the rain very slowly progressing southwards and | :02:37. | :02:39. | |
eastwards. So still the further east that you are, the brighter the skies | :02:40. | :02:42. | |
in both Scotland's and Northern Ireland. For Northern England, a wee | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
bit more fair-weather cloud, so the sunshine hazy for the rest of | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
England and Wales, it will be a beautiful afternoon. Temperatures | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
16, 17, and possibly 18 Celsius. Along the coasts, there will be a | :02:58. | :02:59. | |
sea breeze. Temperatures here will be less. Through the evening and | :03:00. | :03:02. | |
overnight period, there will be clear skies. So it will chilly in | :03:03. | :03:08. | |
rural areas. Not as cold as it was this morning however. Our weak | :03:09. | :03:13. | |
weather front will push across Southern Scotland and Northern | :03:14. | :03:15. | |
England. Vow deucing more cloud and rain. We've got another weather | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
front coming in across the north-west later. It will introduce | :03:20. | :03:22. | |
rain too. As you can see from the squeeze on the isobars, across the | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
north-west of Scotland, it will be pretty windy. Touching gale force at | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
times. Move away from those areas, we are back into the sunshine, | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
mostly dry conditions. Temperatures continuing to creep up. So we're up | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
to 20 Celsius on Thursday. But the temperatures will continue to climb | :03:39. | :03:41. | |
as we head on through Friday and into the weekend. So for Friday, | :03:42. | :03:46. | |
itself, a lot of dry weather around. Some showers skirting across parts | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
of Scotland. Temperatures ten in the north, fur' stuck under that, to 22 | :03:51. | :03:53. | |
Celsius in the south. And we'll start to see some mist and fog | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
lapping off-shore across parts of the north-east of England and | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
Eastern Scotland. Now, by the time we get to Friday and Saturday, you | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
can see what's happening. We've got this low pressure coming up Friday | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
night and into Saturday. It will introduce rain. Primarily into the | :04:10. | :04:12. | |
west and possibly into the north. The positioning of this could | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
change. And then behind it, there will be showers, but equally, there | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
will be a lot of sunshine with highs up to 23 Celsius and by the time we | :04:21. | :04:23. | |
get to Sunday, again a lot of dry weather. Some showers are possible. | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
They could be thundery, but wait until you see the temperatures | :04:28. | :04:29. | |
coming up. The temperatures are going to continue to climb | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
particularly so in the south, 24 Celsius and possibly even 25 Celsius | :04:34. | :04:36. | |
and in Northern Ireland and Scotland, you'll notice a change in | :04:37. | :04:38. | |
the temperature too. Donald Trump now looks | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
almost certain to claim the Republican party nomination | :04:44. | :04:55. | |
for the US presidency. We'll look at how he went | :04:56. | :04:57. | |
from being a rank outsider David Cameron is being urged again | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
to take in more children fleeing the war in Syria, | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
this time from a former Jewish refugee who came to Britain before | :05:05. | :05:07. | |
the start of the Second World War. And my view is given that I came | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
on what was then called the kindertransport that Britain | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
should help a little bit more. 11-year-old Ben Baddeley | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
has cerebral palsy. He wrote to the Prime Minister | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
because the NHS won't Today he's off to Downing Street | :05:22. | :05:23. | |
to ask David Cameron in person. We'll be speaking | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
to him after 10.30am. Here's Joanna In the BBC Newsroom | :05:28. | :05:39. | |
with a summary of today's news. The US billionaire, Donald Trump, | :05:40. | :05:48. | |
is now almost certain to win the Republican party's presidential | :05:49. | :05:50. | |
nomination after his main rival, Ted Cruz, withdrew from the race | :05:51. | :05:53. | |
following another heavy defeat. Mr Cruz said losing the Indiana | :05:54. | :05:55. | |
primary meant he could no longer see Our theme is very simple - it is | :05:56. | :06:10. | |
make America great again. We will America great again. We will start | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
winning again. You will be so proud of this country very, very soon. | :06:16. | :06:22. | |
Tobacco companies have lost a legal challenge to the Government's plans | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
to enforce plain packaging on all tobacco products. | :06:26. | :06:27. | |
The European Court of Justice in Luxembourg has just ruled that | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
an EU directive on plain packaging is valid. | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
The Labour Party is facing more criticism over its handling | :06:35. | :06:36. | |
of alleged anti-Semitism within its ranks. | :06:37. | :06:38. | |
Britain's top Rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis, says Labour has a "severe problem" | :06:39. | :06:40. | |
and warns in an article in the Daily Telegraph that it | :06:41. | :06:43. | |
will get worse if the recently announced inquiry into the issue | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
was used as "sticking plaster" to placate voters. | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
Southern Health NHS Trust is investigating an abusive answer | :06:52. | :06:53. | |
phone message left for a mother whose son died while in its care. | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
Sara Ryan has been campaigning for changes in the trust | :06:57. | :06:58. | |
since her son, Connor Sparrowhawk, drowned in a bath at one | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
A woman who claimed she worked for the Trust called | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
It's awful that you've lost him, but to I do think you're | :07:06. | :07:20. | |
It's awful that you've lost him, but I do think you're | :07:21. | :07:22. | |
I think you're a vindictive cow, on TV all the time blaming the NHS. | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
We've been in touch with Southern Health this morning, | :07:28. | :07:35. | |
They say they have been made aware of the phone call this morning | :07:36. | :07:38. | |
through social media. It has urged anyone | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
with information to come forward. David Cameron is facing more | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
pressure to accept an additional 3,000 unaccompanied child | :07:48. | :07:49. | |
refugees from Syria. A personal appeal has been made | :07:50. | :07:51. | |
by Sir Eric Reich who chairs a group of former Jewish refugees | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
who were allowed into the UK on the so-called Kindertransport | :07:55. | :07:56. | |
on the eve of the Second World War. Ministers argue that offering | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
sanctuary to lone children could result in more falling | :08:00. | :08:01. | |
into the hands of traffickers. Canadian authorities have ordered | :08:02. | :08:08. | |
the evacuation of an entire city in the province of Alberta | :08:09. | :08:11. | |
because of a huge wildfire. 80,000 people have been ordered | :08:12. | :08:13. | |
to leave Fort McMurray, as fires whipped up by winds | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
engulfed homes and main roads, and sent ash raining | :08:18. | :08:19. | |
down on residents. Alberta has appealed | :08:20. | :08:21. | |
for military help. Well, it is a disaster. I find that | :08:22. | :08:33. | |
it is not fair. They didn't even let us take our things when we asked | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
them. So we lost everything now. Where is your house? It was in the | :08:39. | :08:40. | |
campsite. Police have begun digging | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
in the garden of a couple who were friends with serial killers | :08:45. | :08:46. | |
Fred and Rose West in the 1980s. David and Pauline Williams | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
were jailed last year for a series of offences against ten boys | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
and girls including rape, Officers say they began | :08:53. | :08:54. | |
the investigation of the couple's home in the village of Bradninch, | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
in Devon, after a tip-off. That's a summary of | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
the latest BBC News. Thank you. Thank you for getting in | :09:01. | :09:14. | |
touch. This e-mail, "I have just seen your report about the appeal to | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
bring 3,000 Syrian children here. If there was any question of not | :09:20. | :09:21. | |
bringing children because they have no family here then that's | :09:22. | :09:24. | |
heartbreaking. They have a family with me. We are not Syrian, but we | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
are parents and we will be their family." Jackson said, "Say no to | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
any children which aren't British children, we can't care for our own | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
children so bringing more won't help." We will talk more about that | :09:39. | :09:40. | |
in the next half an hour. Do get in touch with us | :09:41. | :09:46. | |
throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria Live | :09:47. | :09:49. | |
and If you text, you will be charged So Manchester City are a game | :09:50. | :09:52. | |
away from their first Our Football Correspondent John | :09:53. | :09:57. | |
Murray will be commentating on the match for Radio 5 Live | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
tonight and he joins me now live So John I guess the big news, | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
as much as City boss Manuel Pellegrini tries to play it | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
down, is that Cristiano Ronldo Well, you would have to say that | :10:10. | :10:19. | |
that is potentially pivotal and that's potentially the thing that | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
could send this game Real Madrid's way. It is a big surprise last week | :10:24. | :10:29. | |
when he wasn't able to play in the game at the Manchester stadium and | :10:30. | :10:36. | |
this week Zinedine says he is fit. And 47 goals this season. Such a | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
brilliant goal scoring record in the Champions League. He could make the | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
difference. Now City have a decent striker of their own in Sergio | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
Aguero and they have Yaya Toure back. How big a part will they play | :10:50. | :10:55. | |
tonight? Could they be key for City? The first question is whether Yaya | :10:56. | :11:01. | |
Toure will be selected for the game. Manuel Pellegrini said he has been | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
training all week. Will he select him? Alternatively, will he bring in | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
someone Lycra hem Stirling to play on the left-hand side and play | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
debriner in the centre behind Aguero. Aguero didn't play on | :11:17. | :11:22. | |
Sunday. He was an unused substitute. There was a feeling he didn't look | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
himself in the first leg and what Manchester City is for Aguero to be | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
100% fit in the same way Real Madrid need Ronaldo to be 100% fit. Manuel | :11:33. | :11:38. | |
Pellegrini leaves at the end of the season so it is the last chance for | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
a trophy for him before he goes. Will that put extra fire in his | :11:43. | :11:45. | |
belly to go out and get a result tonight? It is a really odd | :11:46. | :11:48. | |
situation. I couldn't help, but think this when he was sitting | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
talking to us last night. He has less than a handful of games left as | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
the manager of Manchester City, but get through this tonight, a score | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
draw will take them through and his last match, before the new manager | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
takes over, been the Champions League final in Milan. I think there | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
would be a good deal of satisfaction for Pellegrini if that turns out to | :12:11. | :12:13. | |
be the case. John, thank you very much for | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
joining us. Commentary of that game on Five Live from tonight. That's | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
all the sport for now, Victoria. Thank you. | :12:22. | :12:24. | |
A year ago Donald Trump was a rank outsider become the Republican | :12:25. | :12:27. | |
Party's candidate to become the next American president. | :12:28. | :12:29. | |
Last night his main competitor, Ted Cruz, pulled out of the race | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
after losing heavily in a primary election in the state of Indiana. | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
He's a divisive character and there's hasn't been | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
White House candidate like him in the modern era. | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
Let's have a quick reminder of some of the controversial comments Trump | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. | :13:01. | :13:07. | |
Donald J Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
Muslims entering the United States. Until our country's representatives | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
can figure out what the hell is going on. | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
We have a lot of power with China. When China doesn't want to fix the | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
problem in North Korea, we say sorry folks, you've got to fix the problem | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
because we can't continue to allow China to rape our country and that's | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
what they're doing. It is the greatest theft in the history of the | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
world. I've never seen anybody that lied as much as Ted Cruz and he goes | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
around saying he is a Christian. I don't know, you're going to have to | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
really study that. So we won the evangelicals, we won | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
with Young, we won with old. We won with highly educated. We won with | :13:52. | :13:55. | |
poorly educated! I love the poorly educated! | :13:56. | :13:58. | |
Joining me is Charlie Wells, a reporter with the | :13:59. | :14:00. | |
Shaun McCutcheon is a Trump supporter. | :14:01. | :14:20. | |
Also joining us is Ryan Girdusky who writes for conservative | :14:21. | :14:22. | |
Does Donald Trump have it in the bag? He has effectively lock it | :14:23. | :14:31. | |
down, but he has not definetively. In the United States the primary for | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
each party goes State by State. It is a battle across the 50 States. To | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
rack up delegatesths gates. So far Donald Trump has a significant lead | :14:41. | :14:46. | |
in delegates, but he has 200 to capture the definitive total. States | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
left include California, that will be a big battle. That said, you | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
know, the Republican national committee chairman said that Donald | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
Trump is the nominee. That the party needs to rally behind Donald Trump. | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
So it is looking, you know, like he has got it, but I don't think we | :15:04. | :15:07. | |
should, you know, call it defintively yet. He needs another | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
200 delegates to cross the finishing line to be the candidate fighting | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
presumably Hillary Clinton, but again, we don't want to call that | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
yet... Right. We know where we're coming from. Shaken, tell us what | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
you have supported Donald Trump from the beginning? | :15:23. | :15:31. | |
I met him back in 2013 and listen to a couple of his speeches before he | :15:32. | :15:38. | |
ran. I knew he was going to run a long time ago, he is just an | :15:39. | :15:41. | |
exciting candidate with a different message. These are first popular | :15:42. | :15:48. | |
candidate since the 18 candidates. He's different from the others he | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
has a message about how to make America great again. And what about | :15:53. | :16:01. | |
the things he says he is going to do to make America great again if he | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
becomes president? I think it is more of a financial concerned that | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
the people have than any other concern. And what is he going to do | :16:10. | :16:14. | |
about that? He has given you a lot of ways, but through trade and | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
restoring jobs, better management of our money, our policies, better | :16:19. | :16:25. | |
management of our borders. The Government is going to do its job | :16:26. | :16:32. | |
for a change. Ryan, you are a Trump supporter, too. Tell us what he has | :16:33. | :16:35. | |
said in the last few months but really appealed to you. On | :16:36. | :16:43. | |
immigration, discussing here how we can legally reduce immigration, not | :16:44. | :16:53. | |
just illegal immigration. But his foreign policy has stunned me, and I | :16:54. | :16:56. | |
think I am grieving, I can't believe there is somebody who is speaking | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
about not being the world's policeman, not letting European | :17:02. | :17:03. | |
nations take advantage of the United States any more, talking about how | :17:04. | :17:12. | |
it seems foolish that we can't have an issue with the Turks if they are | :17:13. | :17:15. | |
members of Nato, and ending the cycle of perpetual warfare for no | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
reason, to spread democracy to nations who don't want it, you don't | :17:21. | :17:28. | |
particularly like us. A lot of them don't have any problem with America | :17:29. | :17:31. | |
and don't fight America, and I think that is a huge draw for people, the | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
fact that he is going to be the anti-war candidate for the entire | :17:37. | :17:42. | |
country right now. And do you think, let's say he becomes your next | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
president. Do you really think he is going to do all the things he said | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
he will? Your expectations are so high. Maybe he won't get 100% of the | :17:53. | :18:02. | |
way there, but if European nations have to start contributing more to | :18:03. | :18:05. | |
Nato, or even if he just doesn't start another war for eight years, | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
that would be nice. That would be great if we stopped wars that we | :18:10. | :18:15. | |
don't really need to fight any more, in this ideological struggle to | :18:16. | :18:18. | |
spread democracy in the world, it is foolish. Charlie Wells from the Wall | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
Street Journal, why apparently do so many Republican supporters not like, | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
respect, admire, want Donald Trump to be their candidate? I think it | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
comes with an antiestablishment message. Even though he is a | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
billionaire? Yes, he comes with an antiestablishment message, he has | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
latched onto a lot of Australians in the United States about trade, about | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
immigration, and he pursues a set of policies different to the | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
mainstream. -- a lot of frustrations in the United States. He is not | :18:54. | :19:04. | |
beholden to financial donors, and a lot of white working-class voters | :19:05. | :19:07. | |
have been hurt by some of the trade negotiations that have been pursued. | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
I think the Republican party want to see more speeches from him going | :19:12. | :19:14. | |
forward outlining his policy proposals, more detail, a lot of | :19:15. | :19:20. | |
people talked recently about speech on International policy he made | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
recently and how it was contradictory, so we might want to | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
iron that out a bit more. One move from a political playbook for people | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
like Donald Trump is to make an international trip. You remember | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
Barack Obama's international trip in 2008, people were saying he was weak | :19:38. | :19:40. | |
on foreign policy, I haven't heard anything about the trump camp doing | :19:41. | :19:43. | |
that, but I think we should expect some travel. Shoreham, why do some | :19:44. | :19:52. | |
Republicans not like Donald Trump? He is an outsider. He hasn't been on | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
the inside, they are worried about the status quo. A lot of them are | :19:58. | :20:05. | |
worried about the souk -- Supreme Court Justices, a lot of Republicans | :20:06. | :20:17. | |
claim he is not a conservative, but I think is part is the establishment | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
goes, he is just not there man, they don't feel like they have control of | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
him a lot of things they have been going on, they don't feel like he | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
will continue to do. And let's assume he becomes the Republican | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
candidate. Can he beat, for example, Hillary Clinton? Yes, I definitely | :20:36. | :20:47. | |
think he can. Right now he is six or seven points below Hillary, which is | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
pretty devastating, but it is early, and Trump has managed to raise his | :20:52. | :20:57. | |
favourable ratings significantly from the beginning of the campaign | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
when he was polling 60 points underwater, so it is a significant | :21:02. | :21:07. | |
turnaround. But national polls that matter, state polls do, and a new | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
poll in Ohio, a very well-regarded polling firm, they show that Trump | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
is within the margin of areas Hillary Clinton, and it was polled | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
with 15% African Americans. By being to the left of Hillary on foreign | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
policy but to the right of Hillary on guns, he is able to walk across | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
the entire ideological map and bring people to him. And the Democratic | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
party didn't vote for their presumptive nominee Hillary Clinton, | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
they are still fighting this war of ideas, and I don't believe, I have | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
talked to literally hundreds of Bernie Sanders supporters covering | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
their rallies, there is a real fight inside the Democratic party, and | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
real hatred for Hillary Clinton among Bernie Sanders supporters, so | :21:55. | :21:57. | |
it will be interesting to see of a lot of people support her, dropout | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
and support job, or a vote for a third party like the Green party, | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
which think is very possible that they will receive millions of his | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
supporters' votes. Ryan mentioned the polls, if it is Hillary Clinton | :22:12. | :22:15. | |
versus Donald Trump, what is the reading on who would win that? It is | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
still very early, and this has been a very unpredictable Republican and | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
Democratic race. Most national polls show Donald Trump down about ten | :22:26. | :22:31. | |
percentage points across in a key battle ground states. But something | :22:32. | :22:34. | |
we should watch is how Donald Trump uses Hillary Clinton's gender. Both | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
candidates are going to start turning towards the general | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
election, and a lot of people have said, is there a way for him to turn | :22:43. | :22:46. | |
her gender against, making this point that Hillary Clinton is a | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
woman, but that is the only thing she has in common with you. A number | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
of polls have showed that he is doing very poorly with women, down | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
70 percentage points according to some polls, but I don't know. I | :22:58. | :23:03. | |
think the Clinton campaign is fighting a battle on two France, | :23:04. | :23:07. | |
both within the Democratic party yet trying to turn to that general | :23:08. | :23:10. | |
election which as we should probably expect will be unexpected. And a | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
quick final thought, because some people in Britain always say, why | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
should we care, why does this matter, why are you devoting six | :23:20. | :23:21. | |
minutes of airtime to this? What would you say? I think people should | :23:22. | :23:28. | |
stay ahead of what is going on in international policy. From the UK | :23:29. | :23:31. | |
angle, the Cameron Government is operating on the policy that Clinton | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
will win the general election, the Obama administration is operating on | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
the same idea, but I think being prepared for age much was race is | :23:41. | :23:43. | |
something that people across the world should be ready for. Thank you | :23:44. | :23:45. | |
very much, thank you gentlemen. Still to come, we'll be live | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
in a village in Devon where police have begun digging in the garden | :23:52. | :23:54. | |
of a couple who were friends with serial killers Fred | :23:55. | :23:57. | |
and Rose West in the 1980s. A former child refugee has told this | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
programme that David Cameron should allow more an additional 3,000 | :24:03. | :24:05. | |
Syrian children to come to the UK. The personal appeal has come | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
from Sir Eric Reich - who is the chairman | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
of the Kindertransport-Association Sir Eric came to the UK in 1939 | :24:13. | :24:13. | |
aged four as a refugee He said Britain should protect | :24:14. | :24:23. | |
children who are vulnerable. They are unaccompanied children, | :24:24. | :24:30. | |
they are in Europe and Mr Cameron thinks they are safe | :24:31. | :24:32. | |
but they are not. They hide in woods, | :24:33. | :24:35. | |
they hide from authorities, they are raped, the girls, | :24:36. | :24:37. | |
they are in trafficking, there all kind of things and ten | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
thousand children have been lost, And my view is, given that I came | :24:44. | :24:46. | |
on what was then the Kindertransport, that Britain should | :24:47. | :24:56. | |
help a little bit more. Ministers argue that offering | :24:57. | :25:06. | |
sanctuary to loan children could result in more falling into the | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
hands of traffickers. Chancellor George Osborne says discussions are | :25:12. | :25:13. | |
ongoing about the best ways to help. Britain's always been a home | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
to the vulnerable and we've always done what we need to do to help | :25:17. | :25:18. | |
people who are fleeing persecution. That's why we're taking people | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
from the refugee camps as a result And we're working with others, | :25:22. | :25:24. | |
with charities, with other political parties, talking to people | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
about what we can do to help the unaccompanied children as well | :25:30. | :25:35. | |
as providing financial support. So we're in those discussions | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
and those discussions will go on and you'll hear we've got | :25:40. | :25:41. | |
to they say in due course. With me now is the Conservative MP | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
Heidi Allen who has been urging David Cameron to take more refugee | :25:46. | :25:48. | |
children from Europe. He's a U-turn on the cards? | :25:49. | :25:57. | |
Identikit will be as dramatic as that, but our call is for what we | :25:58. | :26:03. | |
should be doing in Europe, helping assess these children and bring them | :26:04. | :26:06. | |
into the asylum process, that is what we are hoping to hear more | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
detail on. Fires are taking David Cameron so to listen to you? Because | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
I think they're genuinely is a real fear. Germany experienced this. If | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
you open the floodgates to far, the last thing you want to do is put | :26:22. | :26:24. | |
more children and families on this perilous journey across the sea, so | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
I understand why we have been resisting this, trying to use our | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
heads and hearts to come up with a solution. I have seen those boats, | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
they are not seaworthy. But if the turkey deal that is now in place is | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
so fantastic, and is stopping that flow, then the pull factor that | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
people talk about has stopped pulling, so these children are | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
trapped. They are in Europe, they can't go forward, they can't go | :26:52. | :26:53. | |
back, and I honestly don't believe we can leave them there. I think we | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
have an obligation to help them. Sir Eric Reich, we saw a clip of him | :26:59. | :27:05. | |
again there. He said that if the new proposal is that children can only | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
come here unaccompanied, if they have relatives here, that is not | :27:11. | :27:13. | |
enough, and that seems to be proposal that being put forward. I | :27:14. | :27:19. | |
think we have to wait and see what the Government will come forward | :27:20. | :27:22. | |
with. That is the best start. We need to make sure that the language | :27:23. | :27:26. | |
of the amendments that is coming back to the house on Monday, it | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
might not be the finished article, we need to make sure that those | :27:31. | :27:33. | |
children that do have a right to claim asylum here, we find them and | :27:34. | :27:38. | |
we bring them home, but also working with local authorities, I know in my | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
neighbouring constituency of Cambridge city, they are | :27:43. | :27:44. | |
disappointed they haven't been able to offer sanctuary to more children, | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
so the great reddish public is waiting in this country to help, and | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
we need to use those homes and offer more if we can. Is 3000 the right | :27:54. | :27:59. | |
number? It is a headline number. Save the children came up with this | :28:00. | :28:03. | |
number some months ago as a best guess on their knowledge of how many | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
unaccompanied child refugees there are in Europe and taking our | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
proportion. There is always a debate you can have about the numbers, and | :28:13. | :28:15. | |
I think it is right that the number has been taken out of the amendment, | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
because we should find the children that are legally entitled to be | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
here, if the processes are strong enough, the Macedonian border, | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
Greece, Calais, etc, we will find them, and we should look to see what | :28:29. | :28:30. | |
additionally local authorities can do on top of that. Stewart e-mails | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
to say, our hearts go out to these children and families, shipping them | :28:36. | :28:40. | |
over here is not the answer. I would argue, is it humanitarian, morally | :28:41. | :28:45. | |
right to leave them where they are? He goes on to say, it is the | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
governments of the nations they come from Richard Tait responsibility. | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
They have come from Syria and Afghanistan, the support is not | :28:56. | :28:58. | |
going to be there for them. It is great we are putting the majority of | :28:59. | :29:02. | |
our investment into the reason, you can't empty country, you need to | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
keep people therefore when we rebuild it when the horror is over, | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
but that has come to late for some people, and there are thousands and | :29:11. | :29:13. | |
thousands in Europe already, and we can't turn our back on them. Jackson | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
says we can't get a UK children, so having more won't help. We have | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
varying degrees of capability around the country, and the argument put to | :29:23. | :29:25. | |
me is we have homeless people sleeping on the streets, shouldn't | :29:26. | :29:30. | |
they come first? My argument is we need to fix that as well, but just | :29:31. | :29:33. | |
because we have problems in some cities doesn't mean we can't help | :29:34. | :29:37. | |
all swear. This is about sharing the burden is the human race and saying, | :29:38. | :29:43. | |
what can I do, how can I help? In my own constituency, our rural | :29:44. | :29:46. | |
transport is weak, so I don't think we would be the right place to house | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
them, but I have a folder of e-mails from volunteers. I can teach, I can | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
translate, I have mental health services, I am a doctor. We can work | :29:56. | :30:02. | |
together as a team, provide century and all contribute. We don't all | :30:03. | :30:05. | |
have to housed them, but between as we can find the right solution. | :30:06. | :30:08. | |
Thank you for coming on the programme. Still to come: | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
11-year-old Ben has cerebral palsy and he wrote to the Prime Minister | :30:14. | :30:16. | |
because the NHS won't pave his treatment. Today he is after Street | :30:17. | :30:20. | |
to ask David Cameron in person, and we will talk to him in the next few | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
minutes. The parents of a two-year-old girl who died from | :30:25. | :30:27. | |
meningitis B have accused the government of flippantly ignoring | :30:28. | :30:31. | |
their campaign to protect all under fives with a vaccine. | :30:32. | :30:36. | |
With the news, here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom. | :30:37. | :30:39. | |
The US billionaire, Donald Trump is now almost certain to win | :30:40. | :30:41. | |
the Republican Party's presidential nomination after his main rival, | :30:42. | :30:43. | |
Ted Cruz, withdrew from the race following another heavy defeat. | :30:44. | :30:47. | |
Mr Cruz said losing the Indiana primary meant he could no longer see | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
Mr Trump said his success was beautiful to behold. | :30:51. | :30:57. | |
Our theme is very simple - it's make America great again. | :30:58. | :31:01. | |
You will be so proud of this country, very, very soon. | :31:02. | :31:13. | |
Tobacco companies have lost a legal challenge to the government's plans | :31:14. | :31:16. | |
to enforce plain packaging on all tobacco products. | :31:17. | :31:19. | |
The European Court of Justice in Luxembourg has ruled this morning | :31:20. | :31:22. | |
that an EU directive on plain packaging is valid. | :31:23. | :31:28. | |
The Labour Party is facing more criticism over its handling | :31:29. | :31:31. | |
of alleged anti-Semitism within its ranks. | :31:32. | :31:32. | |
Britain's top Rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis, says Labour has | :31:33. | :31:36. | |
a "severe problem" and warns in an article | :31:37. | :31:38. | |
in the Daily Telegraph that it will get worse if the recently | :31:39. | :31:41. | |
announced inquiry into the issue was used as "sticking | :31:42. | :31:43. | |
Southern Health NHS Trust is investigating an abusive answer | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
phone message left for a mother whose son died while in its care. | :31:49. | :31:51. | |
Sara Ryan has been campaigning for changes in the trust | :31:52. | :31:54. | |
since her son, Connor Sparrowhawk, drowned in a bath at one | :31:55. | :31:56. | |
A woman who claimed she worked for the Trust | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
It's awful that you've lost him, but I do think you're | :32:02. | :32:09. | |
I think you're a vindictive cow, on TV all the time blaming the NHS. | :32:10. | :32:21. | |
We've been in touch with Southern Health this morning | :32:22. | :32:24. | |
and they told us they've been made aware of the phone message | :32:25. | :32:27. | |
through social media and find the content deeply concerning. | :32:28. | :32:30. | |
They say they cannot condone such behaviour | :32:31. | :32:31. | |
They urge anyone with information to get in contact to enable a full | :32:32. | :32:35. | |
David Cameron is facing more pressure to accept | :32:36. | :32:42. | |
an additional 3,000 unaccompanied child refugees | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
A personal appeal has been made by Sir Eric Reich | :32:47. | :32:52. | |
refugees who were allowed into the UK on the so-called | :32:53. | :32:58. | |
Kindertransport on the eve of the Second World War. | :32:59. | :33:00. | |
Ministers argue that offering sanctuary to lone children | :33:01. | :33:02. | |
could result in more falling into the hands of traffickers. | :33:03. | :33:04. | |
Canadian authorities have ordered the evacuation of an entire city | :33:05. | :33:06. | |
in the province of Alberta because of a huge wildfire. | :33:07. | :33:09. | |
80,000 people have been ordered to leave Fort McMurray, | :33:10. | :33:11. | |
as fires whipped up by winds engulfed homes and main roads, | :33:12. | :33:14. | |
and sent ash raining down on residents. | :33:15. | :33:15. | |
Alberta is also appealing for military help. | :33:16. | :33:21. | |
Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11am. | :33:22. | :33:27. | |
Manchester City are 90 minutes from their first | :33:28. | :33:34. | |
They'll have to get past ten times winners Real Madrid | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
and Christiano Ronaldo first, though. | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
The striker has been passed fit to play in tonight's | :33:43. | :33:46. | |
And City already know who their opponents will be | :33:47. | :33:49. | |
Atletico lost to Bayern Munich last night, but go through on away goals. | :33:50. | :33:54. | |
Antoine Griezemann with the crucial strike. | :33:55. | :33:56. | |
It has been less than 48 hours since Leicester City's historic | :33:57. | :34:04. | |
Premier League title win and their manager Claudio Ranieri | :34:05. | :34:06. | |
has already had to send out a "hands off" warning to other | :34:07. | :34:09. | |
Ranieri is expecting offers from around Europe but wants his | :34:10. | :34:12. | |
newly crowned champions to stay at the club and continue their hard | :34:13. | :34:15. | |
He's beaten Radek Stepanek in three sets at the Madrid Masters, | :34:16. | :34:22. | |
so the world number two goes through to the third round. | :34:23. | :34:31. | |
Police are carrying out an intensive search at a property | :34:32. | :34:34. | |
The home was lived in by a couple who knew the serial killers Fred | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
and Rose West and have been jailed for serious sexual offences over | :34:39. | :34:41. | |
The police say David and Pauline Williams carried | :34:42. | :34:44. | |
out sickening attacks on children and teenagers. | :34:45. | :34:46. | |
Our correspondent Hamish Marshall is outside the house | :34:47. | :34:48. | |
Well, there is two police search teams. You can see the vans that | :34:49. | :35:03. | |
they have arrived in this morning. They are searching the garden. The | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
Following and tarpaulin was erected over the last 24 hours. We haven't | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
heard any machinery. We have heard spades and other manual activities | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
going on, but there is probably a dozen officers inside there now. | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
This was the home of David and Pauline Williams. Two paedophiles. | :35:21. | :35:26. | |
David Williams jailed for life last year and Pauline Williams jailed for | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
12 years for a string of sexual offences against young boys and | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
girls. The police say they are acting on historic information that | :35:35. | :35:37. | |
they have been given with regard to this and they expect the search here | :35:38. | :35:41. | |
will take four days. Thank you. | :35:42. | :35:59. | |
Three times a week Ben Badderley, who has Cerebal Palsy, | :36:00. | :36:01. | |
has life-changing physio to help him to walk unaided. | :36:02. | :36:03. | |
His dream is to play football in the park this summer, | :36:04. | :36:06. | |
but the cost of his ?450 a week treatment is being paid | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
for by his family and their money is running out. | :36:10. | :36:11. | |
Taking matters into his own hands, 11-year-old Ben wrote | :36:12. | :36:13. | |
to the Prime Minister asking why he wasn't entitled to treatment | :36:14. | :36:16. | |
To his surprise he heard back, but he wasn't happy | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
Today, he's going back to Downing Street to deliver | :36:22. | :36:24. | |
Ben and his mum Amy are here. Thank you very much for coming on the | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
programme. Hi Ben, thank you for coming on. Think you might be really | :36:30. | :36:34. | |
useful for people who want to learn more about cerebral palsy to | :36:35. | :36:36. | |
describe what it is and how it affects your son? Yes, it is brain | :36:37. | :36:43. | |
damage and scarring. When we move our arms and legs, averagely, the | :36:44. | :36:48. | |
brain channels those nerve signals to our fingers and our toes and we | :36:49. | :36:52. | |
can move freely. With children like Ben and sufferers like Ben, those | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
nerves come through like muffled because they have scarring on the | :36:58. | :37:02. | |
brain. So the signals misfire and they cause a constant tightness, the | :37:03. | :37:06. | |
easiest way to explain and to allow someone to kind of get the idea of | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
what it feels like is if you tense yourself up, that's what a sufferer | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
feels every single day. Right. Every minute of every single day. Yeah. | :37:16. | :37:22. | |
Wow. OK. And Ben was diagnosed as a young baby, weren't you, Ben? Yeah. | :37:23. | :37:27. | |
Tell us how it affects you. What would you say? I'm really tight and | :37:28. | :37:38. | |
really incomfortable. Just before my operation I only had like half days | :37:39. | :37:44. | |
at school. I couldn't cope with the amount of pain and now I've had my | :37:45. | :38:03. | |
operation, I'm in full days and I'm, I can write with a pen. And that was | :38:04. | :38:09. | |
an operation Ben was due to have on the NHS, but it got cancelled? Yeah, | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
that's right. Our local hospital transferred Ben to Nottingham to see | :38:14. | :38:16. | |
a specialist surgeon that deals with spinal surgery. He was accepted as | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
an excellent candidate and we were put on the SDR programme. He went | :38:22. | :38:29. | |
through two years of pre-op tests and body conditioning, and it was | :38:30. | :38:32. | |
hard work, wasn't it, little man? Yes. We had to get his body ready | :38:33. | :38:37. | |
for surgery, but at the same time he had to be taken off all his | :38:38. | :38:40. | |
medication, because it wouldn't be safe to put a child to sleep with | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
all that medication in their system. He was taken off the medication and | :38:45. | :38:47. | |
it was five days, we were due to go in on the Thursday and we got the | :38:48. | :38:50. | |
letter on the Saturday. What happened? They basically said they | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
were no longer fund that type of treatment. That the NHS were no | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
longer able to fund it for anybody. It wasn't just Ben, we weren't | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
singled out or anything, it was all cerebral palsy sufferers and when we | :39:06. | :39:08. | |
obviously got in touch with the NHS, the only option was to either sit | :39:09. | :39:14. | |
and wait with the child that was in constant pain, or self fund the | :39:15. | :39:18. | |
final part of the SDR programme which was the surgery and they sent | :39:19. | :39:30. | |
us a bill for ?1440. Wow. -- ?11440. Wow. How did you get the money for | :39:31. | :39:36. | |
that? We did an appeal through the BBC. An anonymous donator came | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
forward and he paid directly into Nottingham for Benl. Ben was put on | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
the waiting list and waited two weeks and you had the operation at | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
Nottingham, didn't you? Yeah. In the hospital. But it is not just the | :39:50. | :39:55. | |
surgery, it is the intensive physio which is crucial... It is, yeah. | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
Which comes afterwards. It wasn't just that you were raising ?11500 | :40:01. | :40:05. | |
for the op, it was the treatment? We had this slapped on us to start with | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
and when we got home from the hospital, after being drilled into | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
us how important the rehab was, if Ben was ever going to stand a chance | :40:14. | :40:16. | |
of walking or being able to use his hands he had to have this intensive | :40:17. | :40:22. | |
physio and we were home, only a few days, weren't we, little man? Yeah. | :40:23. | :40:28. | |
Unfortunately, because of the cuts and everything, our local physio | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
department haven't been commissioned to help Ben, but again, we're not | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
singled out. It is everybody. We're not the only ones. So you have been | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
trying to pay for that yourself which is several hundred pounds | :40:42. | :40:44. | |
every week? It comes to under ?2,000 a month. Right. It is ?150 per | :40:45. | :40:52. | |
hourly session. He needs, ideally he needs three session a week and we | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
have had to drop one because we are struggling to fund. My husband works | :40:57. | :41:04. | |
all the hours he can get. Ben, what do you have to do? First I go in. I | :41:05. | :41:12. | |
have some stretching and then it is things like leg raisers and planks. | :41:13. | :41:20. | |
And your gym boy, you have to sit on that? Yeah. There is all sorts of | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
different equipment that's been donated to him through charities and | :41:25. | :41:27. | |
stuff. You've got your bike now, haven't you as well? Yeah. I can | :41:28. | :41:34. | |
ride that without my legs being sell taped to the pedals! He can! It is a | :41:35. | :41:40. | |
two-wheeled bike and something he has always wanted to be able to do | :41:41. | :41:43. | |
and he can ride that now. I think you decided you wanted to write to | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
the Prime Minister, didn't you, Ben? Yeah, I wanted to find out why he | :41:48. | :41:54. | |
can't just fix the NHS for everyone. And what did you think of his reply? | :41:55. | :42:01. | |
It wasn't what I asked. It was just going over what the NHS said to us a | :42:02. | :42:09. | |
few months back. What were you hoping from that letter, Amy? In all | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
honesty, I didn't expect him to get a reply. We were really shocked when | :42:16. | :42:21. | |
he got a reply. But when I opened it, I was disappointed because Ben | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
spent two days writing his letter because he has only just started | :42:27. | :42:29. | |
being able to use his hands and it was a print-out letter that he | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
signed, he had signed it, and it was just the same. We have been in these | :42:34. | :42:37. | |
conversations with the NHS since the beginning and it was as though he | :42:38. | :42:41. | |
had just printed off what they had said. And we were very disappointed. | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
You could tell from the letter that he hadn't looked at not just Ben's | :42:47. | :42:51. | |
situation, but the whole of the cerebral palsy situation within the | :42:52. | :42:54. | |
NHS. We're not the only ones struggling. It is across the whole | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
of the country. And his reply was sort of I'm sorry that it happened | :43:00. | :43:02. | |
to you, but well done for fund raiding and paying for your own | :43:03. | :43:05. | |
treatment, but that's not what the NHS is there for. We have got a | :43:06. | :43:10. | |
National Health Service and it needs fixing like he says. I agree with | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
him. Everything is very plaque and white with a child and you just | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
don't understand and it is very difficult from a paurpbt's point of | :43:18. | :43:20. | |
view to try and explain that because he is right. Something needs to | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
happen somewhere to help. You have written again and you're going to | :43:25. | :43:28. | |
Downing Street. Yeah. How do you feel about that, Ben? I'm a bit | :43:29. | :43:35. | |
nervous. Don't be. It is just a big door! | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
LAUGHTER What have you written in this | :43:41. | :43:47. | |
letter? I've told him again that he has not answered my questions and | :43:48. | :44:01. | |
that I asked him again. And it's just annoying that he has not | :44:02. | :44:05. | |
answered my questions. What you want Amy is your local | :44:06. | :44:08. | |
trust to pay for the physio, that's the bottom line, isn't it? That's | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
the bottom line, yes. You understand that the pot of money is apparently | :44:13. | :44:17. | |
finite, the decisions or the choices that the Government makes means that | :44:18. | :44:23. | |
the money is not ever ending when they have to make decisions? When Mr | :44:24. | :44:30. | |
Cameron replied, he is right, this funding goes to certain | :44:31. | :44:32. | |
commissioning groups and they have to make an educated decision as to | :44:33. | :44:37. | |
who gets the funding. How can they make a proper opinion and a real | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
decision when they're stuck with a bottom line of an amount that they | :44:43. | :44:47. | |
have to spend? If they had the total that they needed to treat all the | :44:48. | :44:51. | |
children this North Staffs I'm sure they would, but they can't do that | :44:52. | :44:55. | |
on a shoe string, can they? It is difficult. | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
If the money isn't forthcoming, what are you going to do? Keep fighting. | :45:00. | :45:09. | |
Ben went from being in a wheelchair to being able to freely walk here | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
today. That's a magnificent achievement, Ben, don't you reckon? | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
Yeah. Good. He is doing amazingly well. Aren't you? Yeah. And we've | :45:20. | :45:24. | |
got the proof. I'm locking everything douvenlt I know I'm just | :45:25. | :45:28. | |
one person and he is just one little child, but you've got to fight for | :45:29. | :45:31. | |
something. You've got to fight and hope, and we can only hope and we | :45:32. | :45:35. | |
can only try. Thank you very much for talking to us. Thank you for | :45:36. | :45:38. | |
letting us come and see you. Say thank you. Thanks. Good luck for | :45:39. | :45:45. | |
this arch. We have contacted North Staffordshire clinical group and a | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
spokesperson said we are unable to comment on individual cases, | :45:50. | :45:52. | |
however, we would always look to work closely with any family that's | :45:53. | :45:57. | |
seeking specialist support for complex care needs. | :45:58. | :46:03. | |
We commission a quality physiotherapy service | :46:04. | :46:04. | |
for children in the local area, which has the skills and capability | :46:05. | :46:07. | |
Our priority is to ensure that any child receives the NHS care | :46:08. | :46:11. | |
and treatment that is clinically appropriate for their needs. | :46:12. | :46:13. | |
We would encourage the family to contact us, if they need | :46:14. | :46:16. | |
any support in applying for private physiotherapy. | :46:17. | :46:18. | |
And we've had this statement from a Downing Street spokesman, | :46:19. | :46:20. | |
who said, "The Prime Minister looks forward to receiving Ben's letter | :46:21. | :46:23. | |
and will of course respond as soon as possible. | :46:24. | :46:25. | |
Under this Government, NHS spending in England | :46:26. | :46:27. | |
will increase by ?10 billion over the next five years. | :46:28. | :46:30. | |
Earlier in the programme, we heard from the parents | :46:31. | :46:33. | |
of a toddler who died from meningitis B. | :46:34. | :46:35. | |
Jen and Neil Burdett have criticised the Government for "flippantly | :46:36. | :46:38. | |
ignoring" their campaign to protect all under-5s with a vaccine. | :46:39. | :46:40. | |
Two-year-old Faye Burdett died on Valentine's Day | :46:41. | :46:42. | |
An e-petition calling for all children, not just babies, | :46:43. | :46:48. | |
to be vaccinated from the disease became the biggest ever, | :46:49. | :46:51. | |
But ministers rejected their campaign as not | :46:52. | :46:58. | |
Here's what Faye's parents had to say. | :46:59. | :47:14. | |
People should know that there is a vaccine, and if you want to pay | :47:15. | :47:20. | |
privately to go and do that, you can, but it is expensive, and if you | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
have two or three children, how do you choose? And because the decision | :47:25. | :47:30. | |
we made at the end of Faye's life, we never want to imagine another | :47:31. | :47:32. | |
family having to make that decision am no parent should decide whether | :47:33. | :47:37. | |
the kindest thing to do is to allow your child to die because it caught | :47:38. | :47:40. | |
a disease which it could vaccinate against. To ask, that drove us | :47:41. | :47:45. | |
forward, because we thought, we have to make people aware that you just | :47:46. | :47:51. | |
can't ever imagine being put in that position, and then when you are, you | :47:52. | :47:54. | |
want to protect others from going through the same thing. So where | :47:55. | :48:02. | |
does your campaign go now? We stress that people need to be vigilant of | :48:03. | :48:06. | |
the signs, that is the top priority, but also to listen to how you feel. | :48:07. | :48:12. | |
If your child is unwell to a degree that has never been that ill before, | :48:13. | :48:16. | |
and you take them to a GP or paediatric doctor, and they send you | :48:17. | :48:22. | |
home and your gut instinct says, this isn't right, then from somebody | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
who isn't that forceful, I say, you must push. You must ask a second | :48:27. | :48:31. | |
opinions, because at the end of the date, time is of the essence. If you | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
feel that your child is so out of character, you have to speak for | :48:37. | :48:39. | |
them, because sadly the doctors can't always diagnose this like they | :48:40. | :48:46. | |
showed. And you can get the cards from doctors surgeries, from | :48:47. | :48:50. | |
hospitals, schools, nurseries, and they have all the symptoms in there, | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
the cold hands, the headaches, not wanting to be touched. That is what | :48:55. | :48:58. | |
you have got to look for, don't wait for the rash. And even if none of | :48:59. | :49:03. | |
those symptoms are there, just trust your instincts and get them help. | :49:04. | :49:10. | |
And because of our daughter only being two, people need to be aware | :49:11. | :49:17. | |
that not just babies, toddlers, but young children, teenagers, adults, | :49:18. | :49:22. | |
this isn't just, we try to protect the youngest because they have the | :49:23. | :49:27. | |
highest fatale T sadly now, but if your teenager looks unwell and start | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
acting strange, you have to do the same. You could lose someone within | :49:32. | :49:37. | |
12 hours from this disease, it is horrendous, it is horrible. Neil and | :49:38. | :49:43. | |
Jen Burdett on the programme earlier. | :49:44. | :49:46. | |
The NHS mental health provider, Southern Health, is investigating | :49:47. | :49:48. | |
an abusive message left on the phone of a woman whose son died from | :49:49. | :49:51. | |
The caller claimed to work at the trust. | :49:52. | :49:58. | |
Our reporter Sarah Campbell can tell us more. | :49:59. | :50:02. | |
What has been going on? Southern trust, one of the largest providers | :50:03. | :50:09. | |
of mental health care in England, has been coming under a lot of | :50:10. | :50:13. | |
criticism for its standards of care. On Friday, the Care Quality | :50:14. | :50:16. | |
Commission, the CQC, released a damning report following an | :50:17. | :50:19. | |
independent report that was released in December which said that since | :50:20. | :50:23. | |
2011, the health care trust had failed to properly investigate | :50:24. | :50:28. | |
hundreds of deaths, and one of those, the one that sparked off the | :50:29. | :50:34. | |
investigation was that of 18-year-olds Conor sparrowhawk who | :50:35. | :50:39. | |
died in a bath following an epileptic seizure, and an inquest | :50:40. | :50:43. | |
jury found it was neglect by the trust which had contributed to his | :50:44. | :50:47. | |
death. His mother, Sara Ryan, has been leading calls for seedier | :50:48. | :50:53. | |
managers to take responsibility for their failures. -- senior managers. | :50:54. | :50:58. | |
It was when the report was published that she received abusive voice mail | :50:59. | :51:01. | |
message on her office phone purporting to be left by an employee | :51:02. | :51:04. | |
of the trust. Let's have a listen. I do think you are being very deemed | :51:05. | :51:19. | |
it to -- vindictive. You are a vindictive cow, on TV all the time, | :51:20. | :51:26. | |
slating the NHS. That is to the mother of an 18-year-old who died in | :51:27. | :51:30. | |
terrible circumstances. Sara said she found the message horrific, and | :51:31. | :51:34. | |
she has passed it over to the police to investigate. What are the trust | :51:35. | :51:38. | |
saying in the meantime? We've been in touch | :51:39. | :51:41. | |
with Southern Health this morning. They told us they've been made aware | :51:42. | :51:43. | |
of the phone message through social media and find | :51:44. | :51:46. | |
the content deeply concerning. They say they cannot | :51:47. | :51:48. | |
condone such behaviour They urge anyone with information | :51:49. | :51:50. | |
to get in contact to enable a full Thank you very much, Sarah. Thank | :51:51. | :52:04. | |
you for your messages this morning. On all the stories in the news, but | :52:05. | :52:09. | |
in particular on the pressure that is apparently on David Cameron to | :52:10. | :52:12. | |
allow 3000 unaccompanied Syrian refugee children into Britain. This | :52:13. | :52:18. | |
e-mail from Linda, how have these children got the right to come here? | :52:19. | :52:21. | |
They should be settled into various countries where they can be with | :52:22. | :52:25. | |
fellow worshippers. They don't have any rights in this country as far as | :52:26. | :52:28. | |
I can see. We should be licking after the rights of our own children | :52:29. | :52:32. | |
first. Marie says, I watch a programme with gauge interest, | :52:33. | :52:35. | |
another question child refugees, look at the map at the unfair | :52:36. | :52:38. | |
distribution of these unfortunate children. You will find that most of | :52:39. | :52:42. | |
these people find themselves in places like Middlesbrough which | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
cannot housed or find jobs for them, and has a high and implement rate. | :52:47. | :52:48. | |
Thank you for those. Earlier in the programme we spoke | :52:49. | :52:56. | |
to the defence minister Penny Morduant as part | :52:57. | :53:03. | |
of a discussion on whether Britain will be safer either | :53:04. | :53:05. | |
IN the European Union or voting Penny Morduant as part | :53:06. | :53:07. | |
of a discussion on whether Britain will be safer either | :53:08. | :53:10. | |
IN the European Union or voting During our interview, | :53:11. | :53:12. | |
I questioned something Penny said about how much control we have over | :53:13. | :53:14. | |
those coming into the UK Because you have to apply a | :53:15. | :53:21. | |
different level of evidence to those coming from the EU. If they have a | :53:22. | :53:25. | |
EU passport, even if you might have deep suspicions about how they | :53:26. | :53:28. | |
obtained that passport, you cannot apply the same thresholds that we | :53:29. | :53:31. | |
would do to someone coming from outside. But I'm looking at the | :53:32. | :53:36. | |
rules now, you can block people coming in even with a EU passport on | :53:37. | :53:41. | |
the grounds of public policy, security or health. It is a | :53:42. | :53:47. | |
different threshold. No, that is it. There was a ruling in 2014 which | :53:48. | :53:52. | |
basically says that the threshold we have to apply to those people has to | :53:53. | :53:58. | |
be serious... That is after ten years, don't mislead people. That is | :53:59. | :54:04. | |
not true. Our political guru Norman Smith has been doing some checking | :54:05. | :54:10. | |
for us. Go on. It is kind of a score draw. The rules are this. If you are | :54:11. | :54:18. | |
a non-EU citizens, and you have been convicted of a criminal offence for | :54:19. | :54:22. | |
which you have gone to jail for more than four years, we can say, no way | :54:23. | :54:26. | |
are you coming into Britain, and over the past for five-year is, we | :54:27. | :54:30. | |
have turned away around 60,000 non-EU citizens. EU citizens where | :54:31. | :54:36. | |
you had that spat with Penny Morduant about, the rules are more, | :54:37. | :54:41. | |
located. You are right that if we think someone is a serious threat to | :54:42. | :54:46. | |
public policy or security or health, the Home Secretary can say, I'm not | :54:47. | :54:50. | |
sure we want this citizen coming into the UK. And around 6000 have | :54:51. | :54:57. | |
been told you can't come in. However, and this is where Penny | :54:58. | :54:59. | |
Morduant is right, there was a famous court case in 2014 called the | :55:00. | :55:15. | |
ZZ case, and ZZ was an Algerian national who was married to an | :55:16. | :55:18. | |
initial man, the Home Secretary didn't like the look of him and | :55:19. | :55:23. | |
turned him down, not allowing him into the EU as a serious threat to | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
public security. So far, so clear. But Mr ZZ appealed and won that | :55:28. | :55:34. | |
appeal on the grounds that he was not able to be shown the evidence | :55:35. | :55:38. | |
Theresa May had against him of his terrorist links, and the European | :55:39. | :55:43. | |
court said, do you know what, that is right, that is unfair, that is on | :55:44. | :55:47. | |
due process, he hasn't been given a fair chance, and Mr ZZ has been | :55:48. | :55:53. | |
allowed in. So it is correct we can turn away people if we think they | :55:54. | :55:56. | |
are threat to public security, but there is a chink in that because of | :55:57. | :56:01. | |
the ZZ case where Mrs may try to stop someone coming in who she | :56:02. | :56:03. | |
thought was a threat and wasn't able to do so. | :56:04. | :56:10. | |
Fair enough. We don't know the answer to this, but had the evidence | :56:11. | :56:14. | |
been shown by the Home Secretary to this individual, Britain would have | :56:15. | :56:21. | |
been able to send this person back? To be honest, that is something you | :56:22. | :56:25. | |
can only really know in a court of law, and I suppose that is the issue | :56:26. | :56:28. | |
which Penny Morduant was pressing at, we do not have the absolute | :56:29. | :56:32. | |
right to say no, there are legal chinks which have been cranked open | :56:33. | :56:36. | |
a bit by this ZZ case which presumably in the future if there | :56:37. | :56:41. | |
were other EU nationals coming here, if Theresa May thought they might | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
have terrorist connections, they could say, show us the evidence, and | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
the Home Secretary wouldn't want to put the evidence in court because | :56:51. | :56:56. | |
they could inform others. Thank you very much for that. More | :56:57. | :57:00. | |
enlightening information for you, I hope. Lots of you getting in touch | :57:01. | :57:06. | |
about Donald Trump. Graham says, as a Balmer spoke out against leaving | :57:07. | :57:12. | |
VE you, we should be doing the same against Trump, he is a bigoted fool. | :57:13. | :57:21. | |
-- Obama. And this one... Sorry I have just realised there is a rude | :57:22. | :57:23. | |
word in there, I am not reading that. Alistair says I think this | :57:24. | :57:28. | |
election campaign is the most embarrassing yet in the United | :57:29. | :57:30. | |
States. Do they know that the world is laughing at them? Terry says, | :57:31. | :57:34. | |
this is the best thing that could happen for the Democrats. And Mark, | :57:35. | :57:39. | |
the USA has its first right-wing shock jock is a president candidate, | :57:40. | :57:41. | |
because that is where Donald Trump of all his policies from. Stewart | :57:42. | :57:46. | |
says, the people of America seem to like Donald Trump, it is their | :57:47. | :57:49. | |
choice, we have no say and nor should we. And thank you for the | :57:50. | :57:56. | |
messages on cerebral palsy. We were talking to Ben Adderley who is going | :57:57. | :58:01. | |
to Downing Street with his mum to try to get David Cameron to get his | :58:02. | :58:05. | |
local trust to pay for physiotherapy. Stephen says, they | :58:06. | :58:10. | |
are remarkable people. Surely his treatment must be funded? If the NHS | :58:11. | :58:16. | |
can't help them, we can. And cookie says, this is a brave child, trying | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
to get help from David Cameron. Thank you for those, back tomorrow | :58:21. | :58:21. | |
at nine. Have a good day. | :58:22. | :58:25. |