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That's the claim the Prime Minister has made in a speech this morning. | :00:16. | :00:19. | |
We'll bring you the details and reaction. | :00:20. | :00:20. | |
a man who says he was groomed, sexually assaulted and raped | :00:21. | :00:24. | |
by a family friend as a teenager tells us the impact it's had on him. | :00:25. | :00:30. | |
There's been no justice here whatsoever. | :00:31. | :00:33. | |
You don't get your day in court, you don't get to be vindicated. | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
You open that floodgate to talk about this thing, | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
which is horrendous anyway, and no-one really wants to believe | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
And it has waived his right to anonymity to tell you a story. | :00:46. | :00:57. | |
And - a former escort at the centre of a celebrity injunction tells us | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
injunctions are a complete waste of time. | :01:02. | :01:02. | |
Helen Wood from Bolton was paid around 200 quid for sex | :01:03. | :01:05. | |
with a married actor who we can't name. | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
I think it's really unfair. It is unverified and, even though my name | :01:10. | :01:19. | |
is out there, he has paid for an injunction. | :01:20. | :01:29. | |
Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11. | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
If you're getting in touch, do use the hashtag Victoria LIVE | :01:33. | :01:34. | |
and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
A little later in the programme we'll bring you the latest video | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
diary from our jubilant Leicester fans, we'll hear how some | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
of the stars came out in force to defend the BBC at the BAFTAs last | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
night and we'll hear from Johnny Depp, who's taking | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
after that excruciating apology to Austrailia for bringing his dogs | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
Peace in Europe could be at risk if Britain votes | :01:57. | :02:04. | |
to leave the European Union, that's the message from | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
David Cameron as he puts forward the case to remain in the EU. | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
In a speech focused on national security, the Prime Minister has | :02:11. | :02:12. | |
warned that the peace and stability, which Europe has enjoyed | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
over the last few years, cannot be guaranteed in the event | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
What happens in Europe affects us whether we like it or not. | :02:19. | :02:31. | |
We must be strong in Europe if we want to be strong at home and in the | :02:32. | :02:37. | |
world. Second, the dangerous international situation facing | :02:38. | :02:49. | |
Britain means we need to stand united. Now is the time her strength | :02:50. | :02:56. | |
in numbers. Third, keeping our people safe from modern terrorist | :02:57. | :02:59. | |
networks and from serious crime that crosses waters means we to develop | :03:00. | :03:07. | |
much closer means of security cooperation within Europe. It needs | :03:08. | :03:13. | |
to be fully engaged with that. Fourth, far from Britain's influence | :03:14. | :03:22. | |
in the world being undermined, the EU amplifies our power. It helps us | :03:23. | :03:28. | |
achieve the things we want, whether fighting disease in Africa, tackling | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
climate change, taking on people smugglers. That is not just our | :03:32. | :03:37. | |
view. It is the view of our allies and friends. | :03:38. | :03:39. | |
Our correspondent Iain Watson has been following that speech | :03:40. | :03:41. | |
and joins me now from the British Museum. | :03:42. | :03:43. | |
What would you take from this? The Prime Minister is about to leave | :03:44. | :03:53. | |
after speaking foreigner here. You cannot accuse him of understating | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
his case when it comes to calling for Britain to remain inside the | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
European Union. His speech took in the broad sweep of history, I guess | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
that is why he is at the British Museum. He said that our future and | :04:06. | :04:13. | |
past is linked to Europe. He mentioned the Second World War and | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
said, Churchill stood against tyranny on his own, he would have | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
liked to have had European allies. The best way to stop nations being | :04:22. | :04:27. | |
at each other's throats is to stay inside the European Union. The other | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
side says this is desperate scare mongering. There is a group you will | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
not have heard of but I got an e-mail from a group called | :04:37. | :04:44. | |
Historians for Britain, and they are saying that the Prime Minister is | :04:45. | :04:47. | |
being historically illiterate, that there are other institutions such as | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
needle which have played a greater role. -- such as Nato. Boris Johnson | :04:54. | :05:04. | |
will attack the Prime Minister for the deal he negotiated with | :05:05. | :05:07. | |
Brussels. He says he will debunk some of the myths which the campaign | :05:08. | :05:18. | |
have been propagating. Let us get reaction from our audience. This | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
tweet from Ken, I did not believe David Cameron could go so low as to | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
use the following heroes of World War II in this way. And another | :05:29. | :05:36. | |
person says, this is scraping the barrel to pretend World War three | :05:37. | :05:43. | |
will happen if we leave the EU. I think the Prime Minister's speech | :05:44. | :05:50. | |
has been controversial. One of the most controversial passages has been | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
this line about the tombstones being testament to what happens if you | :05:56. | :05:58. | |
turn your back on Europe, that isolationism has got us nowhere. | :05:59. | :06:06. | |
What he is trying to achieve our two things. Remain always thought people | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
would think about the head and not the heart. But he does not want to | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
see the emotional arguments to the other side. He wants to make the | :06:18. | :06:25. | |
patriotically saw Europe, to say it is as patriotic to want to remain as | :06:26. | :06:32. | |
to pull out but to do so he has used some very controversial imagery, a | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
risk. Thank you. Joanna is in the BBC | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
Newsroom with a summary Talks to end a long-running | :06:41. | :06:43. | |
dispute over new contracts for junior doctors in England | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
will get underway today. The government and the BMA will meet | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
for the first time since February. The row has so far resulted | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
in several days of strikes, Meanwhile, researchers | :06:53. | :06:54. | |
at Oxford University say data indicating higher deaths rates among | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
patients admitted to hospital Here's our Health Correspondent, | :07:00. | :07:02. | |
Adam Brimelow. For the first time since February, | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
representatives for junior doctors and the Government will meet to try | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
to end a dispute that has already prompted many several days | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
of strikes, delaying thousands of operations and | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
hospital appointments. One of the Government's key | :07:23. | :07:24. | |
arguments for a new contract has Data showing a weekend | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
effect with death rates being higher for people admitted | :07:29. | :07:36. | |
over the weekend period are There are 1,700 patients on this | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
study recorded as having A third of these were | :07:41. | :07:47. | |
recorded inaccurately. Many of them were in for routine, | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
low-risk procedures carried out The effect of the error | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
was to distort patient safety. Researchers say mistakes in | :07:57. | :08:06. | |
recording what goes on in hospitals skewed mortality figures, | :08:07. | :08:13. | |
making them appear better for patients admitted on weekdays | :08:14. | :08:15. | |
than those on weekends. We found no evidence of this weekend | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
effect in these high quality It really is an excellent example | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
of how poor quality data badly interpreted can lead | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
to the wrong answer. NHS England says the quality of the | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
data has improved in recent years. It says none of this | :08:34. | :08:40. | |
affects the wider issue, that patients should be seen | :08:41. | :08:42. | |
promptly by a consultant and should have access to treatment | :08:43. | :08:44. | |
any day of the week. A BBC News reporter, | :08:45. | :08:54. | |
producer and cameraman have been expelled from North Korea, | :08:55. | :08:56. | |
with one asked to sign a confession following an eight | :08:57. | :08:59. | |
hour interrogation. Maria Byrne and Matthew Goddard - | :09:00. | :09:01. | |
were due to leave Pyongyang at the end of last week | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
but were detained as they were about They were taken to a hotel for | :09:06. | :09:08. | |
questioning, with the North Korean regime unhappy about a series | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
of television and online reports. All three have now been taken back | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
to the airport to board More than 250 construction workers, | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
who say they were prevented from working because of a so-called | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
employers' blacklist, are to share more than 10 million | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
pounds in compensation. The deal, involving workers | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
from the Unite union, marks the end of a long-running | :09:33. | :09:33. | |
legal case brought against leading The total bill for compensation | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
and legal fees is thought to run A survey of ten and eleven year | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
old children in England has suggested that nearly 90 percent | :09:42. | :09:51. | |
of them feel under pressure to do Newsround programme, | :09:52. | :09:54. | |
also found some children lose sleep Last week, thousands of parents | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
withdrew their children from school, I cannot really get to sleep that | :10:00. | :10:16. | |
much and not easily. I get that Rush and you feel like you've forgotten | :10:17. | :10:23. | |
everything. I am feeling worried. You are worried about how you're | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
going to do and you don't know if it's going to be a bad they are a | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
good day. I am so ready for them to be over. I'm getting sick of doing | :10:31. | :10:32. | |
these practice ones. A 49 year old man has told this | :10:33. | :10:35. | |
programme, how he was groomed, sexually assaulted and raped | :10:36. | :10:38. | |
at the age of 15 by a family friend who shot himself minutes | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
after police warned him he was about to be arrested over his | :10:43. | :10:43. | |
historical sex abuse claims. David, who's waived his right | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
to anonymity, also claims he was abused by other men at flats | :10:47. | :10:48. | |
in Dolphin Square, a block of flats in London which has been | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
investigated by police over claims of a Westminster VIP | :10:53. | :10:54. | |
paedophile ring. I ended up losing my career over it | :10:55. | :11:07. | |
because I needed time off. I only had six weeks off. I shut down, did | :11:08. | :11:15. | |
not eat for days, I lost three stone, I did not shower or shave for | :11:16. | :11:18. | |
a fortnight, I did not want to leave the house. Luckily I had good | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
friends who said you've got to get on with life, we are going here, we | :11:23. | :11:29. | |
are going there, so I was lucky from that point of view, but it destroys | :11:30. | :11:30. | |
you. A fifth of the oil town | :11:31. | :11:32. | |
of Fort McMurray has been destroyed by the wildfire that has | :11:33. | :11:35. | |
raged in central Canada It's expected to be the most | :11:36. | :11:37. | |
costly natural disaster But officials say the fire may have | :11:38. | :11:40. | |
reached a turning point, with cooler The BBC picked up more | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
than half of the awards Some winners used their acceptance | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
speeches to defend the corporation, ahead of this week's government | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
White Paper on its future. Wolf Hall won Best British | :11:55. | :11:57. | |
Drama and Best Actor. Its director, Peter Kosminsky, | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
took the opportunity to warn the government against interfering | :12:04. | :12:05. | |
with public service broadcasting. Our Entertainment Correspondent, | :12:06. | :12:07. | |
Lizo Mzimba, has more. Some of the biggest stars | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
of the small screen on the red From Bake Off to | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
Britain's Got Talent, tonight is all about celebrating | :12:15. | :12:21. | |
the very best of British television. With its future soon to come under | :12:22. | :12:27. | |
parliamentary scrutiny, It took over half | :12:28. | :12:30. | |
the evening's awards. The director got a standing | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
ovation for talking about a In many ways, our broadcasting, | :12:36. | :12:42. | |
BBC and Channel 4, which they are attempting to eviscerate, | :12:43. | :12:55. | |
is the envy of the world. We should stand for it, | :12:56. | :12:57. | |
not let it go by default. If we don't, blink, | :12:58. | :13:00. | |
and it will be gone. John Whittingdale has said | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
he is a BBC supporter but he has expressed concern | :13:04. | :13:11. | |
about its scale and scope. The BBC was dominant | :13:12. | :13:17. | |
in terms of awards tonight. The Great British Bake Off, | :13:18. | :13:20. | |
Strictly Come Dancing The BBC will be hoping that | :13:21. | :13:22. | |
the evening's significant haul will be a reminder to the public | :13:23. | :13:30. | |
and politicians about That's a summary of the latest BBC | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
News - more at 9.30. The next few minutes | :13:35. | :13:48. | |
we'll bring you that full interview with Helen Wood - | :13:49. | :13:50. | |
the former escort at the centre of Do get in touch with us | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
throughout the morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live | :13:54. | :13:56. | |
and If you text, you will be charged Jessica has all the sport now | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
and it could be a nervous final week of the season | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
for Manchester City fans. It definitely could be. It is close | :14:04. | :14:13. | |
at the top and everybody is trying to qualify for the Champions League. | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
Manchester City have not done themselves the best of favours. | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
Manuel Pellegrini did not get the farewell he would have wanted with | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
their final home game of the season, which saw them drop with Arsenal. | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
Getting into the Champions League is now out of their hands. Twice they | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
lost their lead. It was Alexis Sanchez for Arsenal that brought | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
them back to 2-2. Annie Welbeck injured his knee, which could be a | :14:42. | :14:45. | |
blow to England. With Manchester City dropping points it could mean | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
they are pushed out of the qualifying points by Manchester | :14:50. | :14:52. | |
United, who travelled to West Ham tomorrow night. It is out of our | :14:53. | :15:08. | |
hands. On Tuesday we will know what happens, but we will try to win our | :15:09. | :15:10. | |
last game at Swansea. Tottenham's disappointing week | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
didn't get any better. They lost 2-1 to Southampton | :15:16. | :15:16. | |
in their final home But they can still secure second | :15:17. | :15:19. | |
place in the table, if they get a point against Newcastle on Sunday, | :15:20. | :15:26. | |
which would be their best ever Liverpool are back winning ways in | :15:27. | :15:28. | |
the league. They beat | :15:29. | :15:38. | |
Watford two-nil at Anfield. Joe Allen and Roberto Firminho | :15:39. | :15:40. | |
scored the goals and that keeps them eighth in the table, | :15:41. | :15:43. | |
a point behind West Ham. Ronny Deila will leave Celtic having | :15:44. | :15:45. | |
guided the club to back-to-back It was their fifth in a row | :15:46. | :15:47. | |
after a 3-2 win over nearest rivals They were already nine | :15:48. | :15:55. | |
points clear of the visitors 19-year-old Patrick Roberts, | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
on loan from Manchester City scored Andy Murray has slipped to third | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
in the World rankings after losing the final of the Madrid Masters | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
to Novak Djokovic in three sets. It was a slow start from Murray | :16:11. | :16:13. | |
as he lost the first set 6-2. He dusted himself off though | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
and came back brilliantly In the third and final set, | :16:18. | :16:19. | |
Murray couldn't make the most of his break points | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
and Djokovic served out For Murray, he's lost ranking points | :16:24. | :16:25. | |
because of this and Roger Federer leap frogs him into | :16:26. | :16:35. | |
number two in the world. How costly could that | :16:36. | :16:38. | |
prove with the draw for the next major, the French Open, | :16:39. | :16:40. | |
later this month? I hope I can stay there for a | :16:41. | :16:53. | |
longer. Some players are playing into their late 30s now. I don't | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
know if I'll be able to do that, but there is hopefully a few more good | :16:59. | :16:59. | |
years left. It was a successful weekend | :17:00. | :17:02. | |
for Britain's rowers, as they topped the medal table at | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
the European Championships. Helen Glover and Heather Stanning | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
were stand out performers, retaining their title in the Pair, | :17:11. | :17:12. | |
despite the strong winds Things looking very good for them | :17:13. | :17:14. | |
with the Rio Olympics They still haven't | :17:15. | :17:17. | |
lost an international What a record that is. I will have | :17:18. | :17:30. | |
more at 10.30am. Thank you very much, see you later. | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
Most of you commenting on the speech David Cameron gave earlier this | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
morning. He spent 50 minutes speaking at the British Museum | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
warning if you vote to leave the European Union, it could lead to war | :17:44. | :17:49. | |
the peace and prosperity which he says has come from being members of | :17:50. | :17:53. | |
the European Union. This tweet from Leafy, "David Cameron is clearly a | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
very worried Prime Minister." David says, "What next? The end of the | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
world as we know it?" This e-mail from Trevor said, "It is interesting | :18:04. | :18:10. | |
that David Cameron brought up in his speech some of the greatest events | :18:11. | :18:19. | |
in history." Derek says, "Quite categorically Mr Cameron is | :18:20. | :18:21. | |
scaremongering. If we leave, it will be more of a danger to world peace | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
if we're in or out, we're not the might we used to be." John says, | :18:27. | :18:35. | |
"Cameron's scare tactics become more and more by each day." We will talk | :18:36. | :18:43. | |
more about Mr Cameron's speech later. Your comments welcome. | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
Use the hashtag Victoria live or you can send me an e-mail. | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
Injunctions are pointless and do more harm than good. | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
That's view of one woman who is at the centre of a gagging order | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
preventing the identity of a married actor being exposed. | :19:01. | :19:03. | |
Helen Wood is a former escort who first came to the public's | :19:04. | :19:05. | |
attention in September 2010 when she was named as one of two | :19:06. | :19:08. | |
escorts who'd allegedly slept with Wayne Rooney. | :19:09. | :19:10. | |
The following year, in 2011, a married actor took out | :19:11. | :19:13. | |
an injunction barring publication of details of an encounter | :19:14. | :19:15. | |
The star apparently paid her around ?200 for sex. | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
Five years on that injunction has been back in the headlines this week | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
after the actor was named in publications in America and Dublin. | :19:24. | :19:26. | |
We can't name those publications because to do so would | :19:27. | :19:29. | |
We also, obviously, can't name him or reveal anything that could lead | :19:30. | :19:36. | |
Helen Wood says she feels sorry for the actor. | :19:37. | :19:43. | |
I actually think it is really unfair. On him? I think it is unfair | :19:44. | :19:50. | |
on him. Even though my name is obviously out there, he has paid | :19:51. | :19:57. | |
for, he has paid for an injunction and it has turned out to be a waste | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
of money and brought even more attention to him than what would | :20:02. | :20:03. | |
have happened in the first place. Yeah, I do think it is unfair. Why | :20:04. | :20:10. | |
do you think the whole issue has resurfaced again now? Well, I think | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
because there has been numerous things going on in the press | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
recently to do with injunctions. Injunctions are a massive threat | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
towards media, towards newspapers and things. So they're going to kick | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
up a fuss about it and with it coming out in America and Scotland | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
and things like that, that's what has brought it all back round again. | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
Do you feel sorry for this actor and for his wife and for his children? | :20:37. | :20:42. | |
Yeah, I do. If you had asked me that a few years ago, my response would | :20:43. | :20:45. | |
have been quite different. Yeah, of course, I do. He made a mistake. And | :20:46. | :20:51. | |
I'm pretty sure if he could turn the clocks back, just like if I could | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
turn the clocks back I would do, but unfortunately we are still like six | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
or seven years on talking about it. If they are aware of it, I do feel | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
sorry for them because I just think it is all really unnecessary. Are | :21:04. | :21:12. | |
you sorry then for what happened? I won't apologise for what I used to | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
do. I have no regrets for what I used to do. I regret saying certain | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
things because obviously it is me that, although he has done wrong, | :21:21. | :21:26. | |
I've kind of landed him in it by saying certain things to the wrong | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
people at wrong time. But it was the actor himself who sought out your | :21:32. | :21:34. | |
services when you worked as an escort? Yeah. I get that and people | :21:35. | :21:40. | |
say why is she defending him? It is not that I'm defending him. It is | :21:41. | :21:44. | |
just now I'm older and wiser and I think he made a mistake. Is he meant | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
to, is he meant to be punished now for the rest of his life and be | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
looking over his shoulder and think is this coming out? I know how that | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
feels for the past to get keeping get dragged up all the time. He | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
might have been forgiven and his wife and him might have moved on and | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
they have to be looking at this. The main factor for me is now that I | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
have a child, that's a lot older and I know he has children... The actor | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
has children? Yeah. I think that's what is upsetting more than | :22:18. | :22:20. | |
anything. That's what got to me more than anything when I learned this | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
was going to come out again. That was what was hard to kind of, you | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
know, I felt sorry for the children involved in it obviously. You sail | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
he will be constantly looking over his shoulder but that's because he | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
slept with an escort and then took out an injunction. I wonder if he | :22:38. | :22:40. | |
hadn't taken out an injunction, it would have come out five years ago | :22:41. | :22:46. | |
and would have been over? It probably wouldn't have come out five | :22:47. | :22:49. | |
years. What people don't understand how it came out. I was in the public | :22:50. | :22:56. | |
eye for sometime before this came out. There was only one person | :22:57. | :23:02. | |
laughing at the end of this. Whose firm, the actor's legal firm? Yeah, | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
she was surprised, the barrister when I spoke to her and I said I had | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
no intention of selling a story on him and she was, "That's not what we | :23:13. | :23:18. | |
have heard." You had done an interview about sleeping with Wayne | :23:19. | :23:21. | |
Rooney, that's why they thought you might have sold a story... Why did I | :23:22. | :23:29. | |
not do it at the time. Your view is he should never have taken an | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
injunction? He should never have bothered. It just caused more | :23:33. | :23:35. | |
problems than good for him anyway. Have you had contact with him? No. I | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
spoke to his barrister back when he took the injunction out and that's | :23:42. | :23:51. | |
it. I mentioned Wayne Rooney, you are described in various | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
publications still as the Wayne Rooney prostitute. What impact has | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
it had on you, and your son, who is now 12 and your wider family, the | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
fact that you're constantly associated with Wayne Rooney? To be | :24:05. | :24:11. | |
honest, when it first came out, it had massive implications and I was | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
not media savvy whatsoever back then so it was just, I was so paranoid | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
all the time. Whereas now, it is like, if you don't know me and | :24:21. | :24:23. | |
that's just how you want to perceive me and that's how you want to look | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
at me, that's your issue, not mine and I've done various other things | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
since then. I'm not really, well I will always be seen as that and I | :24:33. | :24:35. | |
accept that and if I choose to continue to work in the public eye, | :24:36. | :24:39. | |
that's my fault if people still look at me and say I can't, I've got to | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
take the rough with the smooth. With regards to my family, I don't have | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
really any family anyway. So that doesn't really matter... Well, you | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
have got parents? I do. One of which I'm not really, I don't even want to | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
discuss that. I don't want to discuss family and things like that, | :24:58. | :25:02. | |
but it is just my son. As long as my son is all right and you know, I'm | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
pretty sure things will get said to him. Things have been said to him in | :25:07. | :25:10. | |
the past... You mean at school? Yeah. But he is a very strong willed | :25:11. | :25:17. | |
child. He is not as feisty with his tongue like me, but he is very, very | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
quick at nipping something in the bud, but doing it in a good way and | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
hope any that's what I taught him to do. You told him that this was going | :25:28. | :25:33. | |
to resurface? Resurface. What did you tell him? I didn't say resurface | :25:34. | :25:41. | |
because he didn't know years ago. I said I did something that will make | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
people say nasty things to him and people will say things to him at | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
school and I thought he was going to get upset and teary eyed and he was | :25:50. | :25:56. | |
like, "I'm not bothered. If anyone says something, I will say it is my | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
mum, not me." He asked questions about certain things, I've not gone | :26:02. | :26:04. | |
into detail because he is 12 years old. I'm not going through the ins | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
and outs of things. I said I have done things that I should not have | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
done when I was younger and because of that kids might be nasty to you | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
at school and that's it. What kind of things have been said to him in | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
the past at school? Well, actually the only thing that was said to him | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
was complete and utter rubbish. People thinking they know what they | :26:27. | :26:29. | |
are talking about. Someone said something to him about a footballer | :26:30. | :26:35. | |
who I've never even met in my life and he came and told me what the | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
child said to him in the playground and I said, I nipped it in the bud | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
straightaway. He did. He is quite good like that. He is not as feisty | :26:45. | :26:51. | |
as his mum thank god. Do you know of other famous people who have taken | :26:52. | :26:54. | |
out injunctions having slept with other women who aren't their wives | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
or partners? Yeah. Lots? Not with me. You know the women they have | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
slept with potentially? Yeah. What kind of professions? The ones that I | :27:04. | :27:11. | |
know of in music and in the sports world, yeah. Right. What do you | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
think of that? Do you know, it is strange because people are like why | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
has she got this opinion because her name is everywhere? I think, I've | :27:20. | :27:27. | |
got mixed views on it. If it all boils down to with me, if you're | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
going to cheat, fine, but you're probably going to get caught. If | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
someone sold a story on you, you will get an injunction and it will | :27:36. | :27:38. | |
come out a waste of time, you have got to take the riskment I do | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
understand why they do it. Lots of people cheat, but if they have the | :27:43. | :27:46. | |
money to get an injunction and protect themselves, you are going to | :27:47. | :27:50. | |
try and do that. So I do understand why they try and take them out and | :27:51. | :27:53. | |
why they do take them out, but don't, you know, you can't really | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
cry about it when it does come out because it boils down you still did | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
wrong at one point. There is another injunction story around involving a | :28:02. | :28:11. | |
celebrity couple. Those people who are granted anonymity in order to | :28:12. | :28:18. | |
protect their infidelity if you like, what do you think? What do I | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
think of them being protected? Yes. I think it is wrong, I must admit | :28:25. | :28:30. | |
after the week of hell that I've had with, you know, the press and | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
certain newspapers just really, really, you know, going for me, like | :28:36. | :28:40. | |
being nasty, I do sit there and read some of the headlines and I read a | :28:41. | :28:43. | |
particular article the other day and I was like, "How can you write this | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
when it is not just me that's in the wrong? I don't understand." People | :28:49. | :28:56. | |
say I was not in the wrong because I was in a job. I did do things wrong, | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
I spoke and I shouldn't have repeated certain things, but I don't | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
know. I think after this week of reading the things that I've read | :29:07. | :29:09. | |
about myself, I think it is unfair that it is always the woman, not | :29:10. | :29:13. | |
just me, I'm not just speaking for me, why is it always the woman | :29:14. | :29:16. | |
that's branded in the wrong all the time because it always is whereas | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
the man's like gets a high five for doing wrong. It doesn't make any | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
sense. Are injudgeses pointless? Injunctions are pointless because | :29:27. | :29:29. | |
look at the damage it has caused unless it is going to be a decision | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
that's made all over the world where you cannot be found anywhere, I just | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
don't see the point in it. I think it makes our country look pretty | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
stupid to be honest. Do you want, I mean this actor, this you slept with | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
back then has been named in America, on the internet, do you want his | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
name to be published in the mainstream media in this country? | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
No. I think put it to bed. Leave him aLondon. Let him get on with his | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
life and that's itks be done with it and let me get on with mine. | :30:01. | :30:03. | |
Helen Wood. 17-year-old Charles didn't know he | :30:04. | :30:21. | |
had anorexia until he collapsed. He returned to speak to classmates for | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
the first time since his eating disorder. And... I would really like | :30:26. | :30:33. | |
to apologise for not smuggling my dogs... | :30:34. | :30:37. | |
And Johnny Depp makes light of a video apology he made | :30:38. | :30:50. | |
after his dogs were illegally smuggled into Australia. | :30:51. | :30:56. | |
Pearson Europe could be at risk if Britain votes to leave the EU. That | :30:57. | :31:03. | |
is the case David Cameron put forward. He warned the stability | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
Europe has enjoyed cannot be guaranteed in the event of Aleve | :31:09. | :31:16. | |
fold. Talks to end a long-running dispute over contracts over junior | :31:17. | :31:23. | |
doctors will get underway. The row has so far resulted in several days | :31:24. | :31:26. | |
of strikes and thousands of delayed operations. Former escort Helen | :31:27. | :31:32. | |
Wood, at the centre of a gagging order preventing the identity of a | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
married actor being exposed has pulled this programme she believes | :31:38. | :31:40. | |
injunctions are a complete waste of time and do more harm than good. The | :31:41. | :31:47. | |
actor has been named in America and Ireland. Injunctions are pointless | :31:48. | :31:50. | |
because look at the damage it caused. Unless it's going to be a | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
decision made all over the world where you cannot be found anywhere, | :31:56. | :32:02. | |
I don't see the point in it. I think it makes our country pretty stupid. | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
A BBC News reporter, producer and cameraman have been | :32:08. | :32:09. | |
expelled from North Korea, with one asked to sign | :32:10. | :32:11. | |
a confession following an eight hour interrogation. | :32:12. | :32:13. | |
Maria Byrne and Matthew Goddard - were due to leave Pyongyang | :32:14. | :32:17. | |
at the end of last week but were detained as they were about | :32:18. | :32:20. | |
They were taken to a hotel for questioning, with the North Korean | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
regime unhappy about a series of television and online reports. | :32:25. | :32:26. | |
All three have now been taken back to the airport to board | :32:27. | :32:29. | |
More than 250 construction workers, who say they were prevented | :32:30. | :32:33. | |
from working because of a so-called employers' blacklist, | :32:34. | :32:35. | |
are to share more than 10 million pounds in compensation. | :32:36. | :32:37. | |
The deal, involving workers from the Unite union, | :32:38. | :32:40. | |
marks the end of a long-running legal case brought against leading | :32:41. | :32:43. | |
The total bill for compensation and legal fees is thought to run | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
That is the latest BBC News. Here is the sports headlines. Qualifying for | :32:48. | :33:07. | |
the Champions League is out of Manchester City's hands. They | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
dropped points against Arsenal which means their neighbours could push | :33:12. | :33:14. | |
them out of the qualifying places. Ronny Deila will leave Celtic after | :33:15. | :33:30. | |
guiding them to back-to-back titles. It was their fifth in a row. Patrick | :33:31. | :33:36. | |
Roberts scored twice to stop Andy Murray has dropped to third in the | :33:37. | :33:39. | |
world rankings after losing the final of the Madrid Masters to Novak | :33:40. | :33:52. | |
Djokovic. Successful weekend for Britain's Rovers after they topped | :33:53. | :33:58. | |
the medal table. Heather Glover and Heather standing were standout | :33:59. | :33:59. | |
performer is. Remember that research on more | :34:00. | :34:07. | |
people dying after being treated in hospitals at the weekend that | :34:08. | :34:09. | |
England's Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt cited when announcing his plans | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
for a seven day a week NHS? Well it's wrong, according | :34:14. | :34:16. | |
to research released today by Oxford University, | :34:17. | :34:18. | |
based on flawed data they say. Today is also the day | :34:19. | :34:24. | |
that the doctors' union, the British Medical Association, | :34:25. | :34:26. | |
will restart talks with the government today, | :34:27. | :34:28. | |
in an attempt to end the long-running row with Junior | :34:29. | :34:30. | |
doctors over their new contract. What is the strike really about? | :34:31. | :34:48. | |
Junior doctors are unhappy with the contract, which will start to be | :34:49. | :34:54. | |
ruled out across England. Who will it affect? These are not medical | :34:55. | :35:10. | |
students. Can mean someone with ten years of experience. The government | :35:11. | :35:22. | |
wants to raise basic wages by 13%. Doctors have two complaints. The | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
first is unsociable hours. At the moment doctors get paid more if they | :35:28. | :35:33. | |
are on at weekends. Ministers want to cut back back. We are here to | :35:34. | :35:44. | |
promote patient safety. Tired doctors -- will not help. We feel | :35:45. | :35:56. | |
staffing problems will be worse. We'll doctors lose out? To start | :35:57. | :36:04. | |
with, probably not. But this is not about winners and losers on day one. | :36:05. | :36:08. | |
In time, doctors are worried they will be forced to work for less | :36:09. | :36:17. | |
money. Guaranteed pay rises are also being scrapped which could mean they | :36:18. | :36:22. | |
earn less in the long run. Studies have suggested that patients are | :36:23. | :36:26. | |
admitted at the weekends are more likely to die. The government says | :36:27. | :36:37. | |
this contract will let it bring in a safer NHS seven days a week. We will | :36:38. | :36:51. | |
change the pay structures. Doctors say the changes will strip back the | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
safeguards meant to stop people working excessive hours, making life | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
more risky for patients. Talks so far have come to nothing. The | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
government has said it will go ahead with the contract. Without a | :37:04. | :37:10. | |
breakthrough, more industrial action looks very likely. | :37:11. | :37:12. | |
Let's talk to Ashlynn Macklin-Doherty is a striking junior | :37:13. | :37:14. | |
doctor and cancer specialist trainee. | :37:15. | :37:15. | |
Dr Adam Dalby is a junior doctor who no longer supports strikes | :37:16. | :37:18. | |
and is willing to work under the new contract and Sir Peter | :37:19. | :37:21. | |
Bottomley is a Conservative MP for Worthing West. | :37:22. | :37:23. | |
He says this is a better contract than what exists now. | :37:24. | :37:30. | |
Welcome all of you. Can we start with the research, shown to have | :37:31. | :37:40. | |
been flawed, and we now know there is no mortality effect that the | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
weekend. Of course there isn't. 88% of the profession have not been out | :37:45. | :37:52. | |
on the streets in this highly distressing situation we've been | :37:53. | :37:59. | |
forced into, basically because the government is trying to spin a story | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
to fit in with a manifesto that they have which is not backed up by any | :38:05. | :38:10. | |
truth or fact. It has angered the profession cause we are seeing these | :38:11. | :38:18. | |
lies. The using -- it is actually the fact that the data was | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
incorrectly collated. I wonder if you think, if there is no weekend | :38:24. | :38:30. | |
effect, what that does for the argument? On the basis of one paper | :38:31. | :38:38. | |
you cannot make a decision but obviously it presents a lesson to | :38:39. | :38:44. | |
politicians about using data and having that properly checked and | :38:45. | :38:49. | |
peer-reviewed and not, I believe he had the paper before it was | :38:50. | :38:52. | |
published officially in one of the journals. That is a fear enough | :38:53. | :39:00. | |
point. It is. This is the time to be conciliar tree. The coding was | :39:01. | :39:06. | |
incorrect. We have not proved there is no weekend effect. That is what | :39:07. | :39:11. | |
the research is safe. They can say what they want. I am saying what I | :39:12. | :39:16. | |
think. I spend a lot of time working for doctors who have been mistreated | :39:17. | :39:21. | |
by their employers, often because of weekends rostering. I know from | :39:22. | :39:26. | |
cases in employment tribunal is the good doctors have been sat on by | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
their employers, that you need to have a better contract and be | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
careful about making sweeping generalisations. If we had the | :39:35. | :39:40. | |
proposed contract, and anybody wanted to change it to the old one, | :39:41. | :39:43. | |
everybody would be up in arms because the old one has long hours, | :39:44. | :39:54. | |
unfortunate bias as to the way we roster people. We can do better. 90% | :39:55. | :39:58. | |
of things have been agreed and it ought to be possible to reach | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
agreement on the last bit. Let's talk about facts. I've been working | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
in the NHS for eight years, I suspect longer than both of you | :40:08. | :40:14. | |
combined. I've watched the NHS slowly crumble around me. We've had | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
hospital closures at record rates, we have the lowest number of doctors | :40:20. | :40:24. | |
per people in the population compared to the rest of Europe. How | :40:25. | :40:30. | |
is this relevant to the contract? This is about, in the middle of an | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
unprecedented crisis, you've got a government pushing forward a policy | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
which has no evidence, quite clearly, stretching a five-day | :40:40. | :40:42. | |
service over seven days with not a single pound of extra funding. It is | :40:43. | :40:45. | |
entirely relevant to look at the wider context. Which part of the | :40:46. | :40:51. | |
contract is the problem? There are so many full stop it has been | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
referred to the United Nations because of the discrimination | :40:56. | :40:59. | |
element. Which part of the contract is the problem? There are five main | :41:00. | :41:07. | |
disagreements with the BMA. There are unsocial hours. Those are fixed. | :41:08. | :41:15. | |
They are not. This is the problem. Unsociable hours, stretching the | :41:16. | :41:23. | |
workforce. They are not fixed because you would not have them up | :41:24. | :41:30. | |
in arms. Which part is the problem? Let's look at the context. You've | :41:31. | :41:38. | |
mentioned unsocial hours. The other point in the contract you unhappy | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
with? The fact that there will be discrimination against less than | :41:44. | :41:45. | |
full-time trainees, particularly women. It doesn't centre visors | :41:46. | :41:56. | |
people going out into academia, people working in oncology, | :41:57. | :42:01. | |
psychiatrist who do not and will causes. I must admit, there are | :42:02. | :42:11. | |
researchers who get higher pay. My problem with this argument is it has | :42:12. | :42:18. | |
become about more than pay and conditions, which is why the BMA | :42:19. | :42:21. | |
strike, I don't believe it is legal to strike over a government policy, | :42:22. | :42:28. | |
I don't believe it is ethical of doctors to go out on strike putting | :42:29. | :42:33. | |
patients at inconvenience, increasing pain over what is a | :42:34. | :42:40. | |
political dispute. Can I ask you, as a striking doctor, if the government | :42:41. | :42:51. | |
this week says, in terms of paying for the unsociable hours, if we | :42:52. | :42:59. | |
bring the hours forward, if we get the higher rates of pay... It is not | :43:00. | :43:06. | |
about pay. It has never been about pay. Will that help? What we want is | :43:07. | :43:12. | |
a fully costed model. The government need to show us what has been | :43:13. | :43:19. | |
planned properly. We are the ones on the front line having our operations | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
cancelled. Everyone watching this show will know what I mean. They | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
don't need me to tell them that the NHS is in a funding crisis. If you | :43:30. | :43:35. | |
stretch us even thinner with not a pound of extra funding, we are the | :43:36. | :43:38. | |
ones that will be picking up the pieces. The contract thing, the | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
thing that junior doctors would not talk about was the Saturday rates of | :43:43. | :43:48. | |
pay. Today that -- to say that it has nothing to do with that is not | :43:49. | :43:51. | |
quite right. The impression is it is about that. The fact that the health | :43:52. | :43:57. | |
service needs constant attention and more money, we agree on. What we can | :43:58. | :44:05. | |
say is for the junior doctors contract to be left the way it is in | :44:06. | :44:11. | |
2008, the last three years with the BMA coming in and going out, it is | :44:12. | :44:16. | |
right to see if we got virtual agreement, O total agreement and | :44:17. | :44:20. | |
cooperate to make the NHS better. Do you think Jeremy Hunt is in the mood | :44:21. | :44:27. | |
to be making concessions? He has. He says the employers have made it a 4% | :44:28. | :44:31. | |
concessions. They need to reach agreement in a way that is good for | :44:32. | :44:36. | |
doctors and patients. MPs are responsible for doctors and | :44:37. | :44:45. | |
patients. The health Minister running the service and being | :44:46. | :44:50. | |
responsible for it, my wife is more important than I am. Jeremy Hunt's | :44:51. | :44:58. | |
cousin? That is a myth but I have known him since 1984. He is | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
committed, you are committed, we are all committed. Thank you very much. | :45:03. | :45:05. | |
We will see what happens. A 49-year-old man | :45:06. | :45:08. | |
who says he was groomed and raped by a family friend | :45:09. | :45:11. | |
when he was a teenager waives his right to anonymity | :45:12. | :45:14. | |
to tell you his story. One of the UK's leading treatment | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
centres for eating disorders at the Royal Free Hospital in London | :45:20. | :45:25. | |
is warning men are being put at risk because too often people think | :45:26. | :45:28. | |
conditions like anorexia and bulimia The Royal Colleges of GPs | :45:29. | :45:31. | |
and Nursing say sometimes the results can be | :45:32. | :45:34. | |
devastating, even fatal. It's estimated up to a quarter | :45:35. | :45:35. | |
of people experiencing eating Radio 1's Newsbeat has been | :45:36. | :45:38. | |
following one 17-year-old called Charles Wooldridge who didn't know | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
he had anorexia until he collapsed from near starvation | :45:44. | :45:49. | |
on Boxing Day in 2014. He has recently returned | :45:50. | :45:51. | |
to his school to talk honestly, for the first time, | :45:52. | :45:54. | |
with his classmates This is Charles. He is 17 and he has | :45:55. | :46:06. | |
what many people call a girl's illness. I thought that every bit of | :46:07. | :46:12. | |
food I ate would put on weight. I just didn't feel comfortable as | :46:13. | :46:17. | |
myself. He has been anorexic for at least two years, but finally feels | :46:18. | :46:21. | |
ready to talk about his secret. He is going back to his school, to his | :46:22. | :46:25. | |
friends, to have the conversation he never thought he would. I don't know | :46:26. | :46:35. | |
how they're going to react. And for the first time cameras have been | :46:36. | :46:38. | |
allowed into the unit where Charles has been treated. So this is the | :46:39. | :46:41. | |
ward. I'm going to take you down the scary | :46:42. | :47:01. | |
corridor. This is the kitchen. My first meal on the ward I didn't | :47:02. | :47:06. | |
really know what to expect and you could just see that everyone was | :47:07. | :47:11. | |
stressed out. This is one of the bays. That's where the patients | :47:12. | :47:17. | |
sleep. But I wasn't allowed in here because I'm not a girl. So I had to | :47:18. | :47:22. | |
be separated and sleep in the other bay. It was quite lonely, but we | :47:23. | :47:30. | |
used to kind of come together in the evening anyway and play games. | :47:31. | :47:37. | |
Being the only guy amongst so many girls can have its up sides. Charles | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
met his girlfriend Lucy here. She also has an eating disorder. | :47:42. | :47:48. | |
Basically we have vandalised this room. It is like somewhere under | :47:49. | :47:54. | |
here. Yes, that's not the day we died, it's the time that we was | :47:55. | :48:02. | |
here! The biggest thing with Charles was | :48:03. | :48:07. | |
that he was always the class clown, happy go lucky, fun loving... I | :48:08. | :48:14. | |
think he was generally seen as the person people met. He was a mag nat | :48:15. | :48:19. | |
too. It started off with healthy eating. I wasn't aware of his weight | :48:20. | :48:25. | |
loss until I caught a glimpse of him getting into the bath one day and he | :48:26. | :48:33. | |
just looked so thin. Almost like a famine child. Charles says he didn't | :48:34. | :48:37. | |
actually know he had an eating disorder. Neither did his parents or | :48:38. | :48:42. | |
his older brother, but had been working out loads, starving himself | :48:43. | :48:45. | |
for weeks and hiding food in his room. There was a lot of secrecy, | :48:46. | :48:49. | |
but on Boxing Day 2014, he collapsed and was rushed to hospital. And it | :48:50. | :48:58. | |
was horrible. It was just really horrible coming home and his bedroom | :48:59. | :49:05. | |
was empty and it was, I was just distraught because his bedroom was | :49:06. | :49:08. | |
empty, he was in hospital for the first time in his life. He wasn't in | :49:09. | :49:13. | |
that room. You know, you look back and you think well, is it something | :49:14. | :49:18. | |
I've done or, you know, can I blame myself? I'm not sure that I am | :49:19. | :49:24. | |
getting a better understanding. You just sometimes can't reason with it. | :49:25. | :49:29. | |
It just seems so irrational. It is almost like a grieving because I | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
don't, I still think of him as that child and I don't recognise a lot of | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
what he has been going through as him. So yeah, I kind of grieve the | :49:40. | :49:50. | |
child that he was. As Charles' anorexia developed he pulled away | :49:51. | :49:54. | |
from friends. He hasn't seen his classmates in almost two years and | :49:55. | :49:57. | |
in a few weeks time he is hoping to have an honest discussion with them | :49:58. | :50:01. | |
about his eating problems. It is something that just a few months ago | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
he would never have imagined doing. The box is to represent how you're | :50:07. | :50:11. | |
feeling. Charles has no idea how they will react especially the guys | :50:12. | :50:15. | |
in his class after all, since he began his treatment, he has mostly | :50:16. | :50:20. | |
been surrounded by girls. So ignore this bit, but this is the outside | :50:21. | :50:25. | |
and in the inside I'm going to do some stuff. Before that, he has got | :50:26. | :50:30. | |
to prepare to resit his GCSEs. There is a school at the hospital. It is | :50:31. | :50:35. | |
only one room so we're in for like the whole day of the it is very | :50:36. | :50:39. | |
different to my old school. Charles is back living at home, but he is | :50:40. | :50:42. | |
here most days and in between classes, he has counselling | :50:43. | :50:46. | |
sessions. Many of them with Sam. The boy that is I've treated have always | :50:47. | :50:51. | |
usually been terribly unwell when they first kind of present. They | :50:52. | :50:58. | |
maybe eating kind of quite well, but they're exercising like crazy. Sam | :50:59. | :51:05. | |
will be weighing Charles in a few days and he dreads it. Everyone here | :51:06. | :51:10. | |
has good days and bad days and it is easy to get overwhelmed. Is there | :51:11. | :51:18. | |
any patients patient over the years who has really stuck with you? | :51:19. | :51:28. | |
Sorry... I've got a lot of patients that | :51:29. | :51:32. | |
stick in my mind. And you learn a lot from them. | :51:33. | :51:40. | |
Sorry... Charles and Lucy have been together | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
for nearly a yearment their favourite place to go to do is | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
Camden Food Market and although they say they don't go near most of the | :51:50. | :51:54. | |
food, they spend a lot of time obsessing over what they will or | :51:55. | :52:01. | |
won't eat. Our Instagram account are based on | :52:02. | :52:08. | |
recovery. I'm fine with other people because | :52:09. | :52:18. | |
they might be scared to have it. If Pasta Prince can have it, so can I. | :52:19. | :52:23. | |
It is Charles' weekly weigh-in, and he hates it. He has a target weight, | :52:24. | :52:27. | |
but the thought of reaching that weight scares him. I make sure I | :52:28. | :52:32. | |
don't drink anything or eat much before I get weighed. Shall we go | :52:33. | :52:39. | |
and do the honours? Knowing that I have a goal makes me | :52:40. | :52:46. | |
feel like I have to go for it whether I like it or not because I | :52:47. | :52:49. | |
know that if I didn't reach it then I would be back in the place I was | :52:50. | :52:53. | |
before. OK. To be weighed is horrendously | :52:54. | :53:01. | |
anxiety provoking. One minute you can look at numbers and be kind of | :53:02. | :53:06. | |
pleased that they've gone up because you've really worked hard and then | :53:07. | :53:10. | |
half an hour later, you're devastated. Do you want to know what | :53:11. | :53:16. | |
your weight is today or not know? No. He allowed us to film today if | :53:17. | :53:22. | |
we agreed to only show his face. OK, all right then. He didn't want us to | :53:23. | :53:31. | |
see the scales, but it means you also can't see his hands are | :53:32. | :53:39. | |
shaking. It kind of does change the way you feel because you haven't | :53:40. | :53:44. | |
known your weight throughout the day then suddenly seeing it, it just | :53:45. | :53:51. | |
stays on your mind a bit. How do you feel about that? OK. Is it OK? A | :53:52. | :53:57. | |
couple of hours after his weigh-in, Charles had a panic attack. He had | :53:58. | :54:01. | |
seemed fine, but he was totally overwhelmed. He is fragile and | :54:02. | :54:06. | |
that's typical of someone still battling to get better. I think I | :54:07. | :54:11. | |
just had a stressful day overall because I had meetings with my | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
doctors and I had the weigh-in and they were talking about my therapy | :54:17. | :54:20. | |
coming to an end soon. So I think everything just got to me. The | :54:21. | :54:26. | |
thought of returning to see his classmates after nearly two years is | :54:27. | :54:29. | |
also playing on his mind. He is having serious doubts and considers | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
pulling out. It feels like a big change because it has all happened | :54:35. | :54:38. | |
so quickly and now it is coming to an end in a way. So it's quite new | :54:39. | :54:51. | |
to me. But Charles is determined to recover. He wants his old life back | :54:52. | :54:58. | |
and that means being brave. So we are off to my old school. I'm | :54:59. | :55:06. | |
going to see some of my old friends. It is a long time and to go back is | :55:07. | :55:13. | |
a bit scary. I'm still a bit scared. | :55:14. | :55:19. | |
It is bringing back memories. A lot of memories. I just don't know what | :55:20. | :55:32. | |
to expect. They've kind of seen me at my worst and so I don't know how | :55:33. | :55:35. | |
they're going to react. Are you all right, mate? | :55:36. | :56:22. | |
Hey. Where do I sit? | :56:23. | :56:31. | |
I've been in hospital. I've been a inn a school in the hospital. Do | :56:32. | :56:36. | |
people know about it? How was it for you? A bit awkward. Most of the | :56:37. | :56:42. | |
patients were girls. So I was like the only boy. When did you realise | :56:43. | :56:49. | |
that you had an eating disorder and did people around you notice? A lot | :56:50. | :56:55. | |
of people would remember I used to wear my PE jacket all the time, even | :56:56. | :56:59. | |
in the summer, that's because people were saying I was really thin. I | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
kind of knew about it, but I didn't really get, I didn't know what it | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
was so I didn't really go and get help early. ? I never guessed it | :57:10. | :57:18. | |
would have been an eating disorder. I kind of knew something was up, but | :57:19. | :57:22. | |
I never really thought that would be the problem. I used it in a way to | :57:23. | :57:26. | |
show others that they can get through it too. Like I'm still me | :57:27. | :57:32. | |
and I'm still just a teenager. So I'm not like some alien. Do you feel | :57:33. | :57:39. | |
like you're ready to go back to the position you were in before? I want | :57:40. | :57:43. | |
to kind of just get back to you guys. | :57:44. | :57:54. | |
I felt he was really open and honest. We were just saying we were | :57:55. | :58:01. | |
quite of shocked how honest they were. Quite brave, I think. I kind | :58:02. | :58:07. | |
of knew something was up with Charles, Charles was a cool, | :58:08. | :58:11. | |
confident guy. I'm feeling happy. How happy? Very happy because I'm | :58:12. | :58:21. | |
seeing my old friends and it just feels good to be with them again. | :58:22. | :58:28. | |
I'm going to have parties, go out, I feel more connected with reality. | :58:29. | :58:32. | |
And I just feel like the old me. That film called Anorexia: A Boy | :58:33. | :58:48. | |
in a Girl's World was made And you can find links to further | :58:49. | :58:51. | |
information and advice by going to: Sophie says one example of why I | :58:52. | :58:57. | |
love this show. And you can find links to further | :58:58. | :59:08. | |
information and advice by going to: Plenty of you getting in touch on | :59:09. | :59:11. | |
Helen Wood who is the former escort the public really care who slept | :59:12. | :59:33. | |
with who? I don't think so. It affects the people directly affected | :59:34. | :59:39. | |
of the that's it." Paul, "In the Twitter age always fail to hide the | :59:40. | :59:48. | |
name." "Karl says, "For someone who says feels sorry for the actor, she | :59:49. | :59:52. | |
is spending a lot of time talking to the media." Another viewer says, | :59:53. | :59:58. | |
"Stop giving airtime to Helen Wood. People behave badly. That's it. " | :59:59. | :00:04. | |
It is time for the latest weather. Have we got more scorchio day, Matt | :00:05. | :00:06. | |
Taylor? Yesterday, all nations across the UK | :00:07. | :00:18. | |
saw their warmest day of the year so far. Hottest of all was London, 27 | :00:19. | :00:29. | |
Celsius. It is feeling slightly different. We will see further | :00:30. | :00:44. | |
showers. Some showers north of that. The vast majority of the UK, sunny | :00:45. | :00:51. | |
skies all the way. These are the hottest places to be. It could hit | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
26 degrees. This evening and overnight a band of | :00:54. | :01:02. | |
thundery rain working northwards, fizzling out. Some showers. Slightly | :01:03. | :01:08. | |
different day tomorrow. Scotland stays with the sunshine, Central and | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
southern parts of England and Wales will have a much wetter day. Warmest | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
weather confined to the West of Scotland. | :01:18. | :01:24. | |
Hello it's just after 10 on Monday, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | :01:25. | :01:26. | |
welcome to the programme if you've just joined us...coming | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
Europe could descend into war if Britain votes to leave | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
That's the warning from the Prime Minister this morning. | :01:34. | :01:39. | |
Kenny has said, you have made my mind up, I am voting to leave now. | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
Could the claims backfire? as a teenager by a family friend | :01:44. | :01:45. | |
tells us of his anger at the way How can they keep | :01:46. | :01:51. | |
closing doors like this? If there's nothing to hide, | :01:52. | :01:58. | |
why can somebody not talk to me, why can we not have an honest | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
conversation with someone who's of a level to really | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
understand these things? David has waived his right to | :02:05. | :02:19. | |
anonymity to tell his story. I would really like to apologise for not | :02:20. | :02:31. | |
smuggling my dog... It would have been a bad thing to do. | :02:32. | :02:33. | |
And Johnny Depp pokes fun at himself after his grovelling | :02:34. | :02:35. | |
apology for taking his dogs into Australia illegally. | :02:36. | :02:51. | |
Peace in Europe could be at risk if Britain votes | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
to leave the European Union, that's the message from | :02:57. | :02:58. | |
David Cameron as he puts forward the case to remain in the EU. | :02:59. | :03:01. | |
In a speech focused on national security, the Prime Minister has | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
warned that the stability Europe has enjoyed over the last few years, | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
cannot be guaranteed in the event of a leave vote. | :03:08. | :03:18. | |
Isolationism has never served this country well. Whenever we turn our | :03:19. | :03:25. | |
back on Europe, sooner or later, we come to regret it. We've always had | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
to go back in, and always at a much higher cost. | :03:30. | :03:31. | |
Talks to end a long-running dispute over new contracts | :03:32. | :03:33. | |
for junior doctors in England get underway today. | :03:34. | :03:35. | |
The government and the BMA are meeting for the first | :03:36. | :03:37. | |
The row has so far resulted in several days of strikes, | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
A BBC News reporter, producer and cameraman have been | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
expelled from North Korea, with one asked to sign | :03:45. | :03:46. | |
an apology following an eight hour interrogation. | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
The team - Rupert Wingfield-Hayes, | :03:50. | :03:51. | |
Maria Byrne and Matthew Goddard - were due to leave Pyongyang | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
at the end of last week but were detained as they were about | :03:56. | :03:58. | |
They were taken to a hotel for questioning, with the North Korean | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
regime unhappy about a series of television and online reports. | :04:04. | :04:05. | |
All three have now been taken back to the airport to board | :04:06. | :04:08. | |
A former escort, Helen Wood, who is at the centre of a gagging | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
order preventing the identity of a married actor being exposed, | :04:15. | :04:17. | |
has told this programme she believes injunctions are a complete waste | :04:18. | :04:20. | |
The married actor, who can't be named in England and Wales, | :04:21. | :04:28. | |
has been named in publications in America and Ireland. | :04:29. | :04:35. | |
Injunctions are pointless because look at the damage it has caused. | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
Unless it is a decision made all over the world where you cannot be | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
found anywhere, I don't see the point in it. It makes our country | :04:46. | :04:46. | |
look pretty stupid. A 49 year old man has told this | :04:47. | :04:50. | |
programme, how he was groomed, sexually assaulted and raped | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
at the age of 15 by a family friend who shot himself minutes | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
after police warned him he was about to be arrested over his | :04:57. | :04:58. | |
historical sex abuse claims. David, who's waived his right | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
to anonymity, also claims he was abused by other men | :05:02. | :05:03. | |
at Dolphin Square, a block of flats in London which has been | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
investigated by police over claims of a Westminster VIP | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
paedophile ring. I ended up losing my career over it | :05:10. | :05:23. | |
because I needed time off. I only had six weeks off. I shut down, did | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
not eat for days, lost two stone, did not shower, did not shave for a | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
fortnight. Did not want to leave the house. Luckily I had good friends | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
who said you got to get on with life. I was lucky but it destroys | :05:38. | :05:53. | |
you. You can see that interview in full. | :05:54. | :05:55. | |
A fifth of the oil town of Fort McMurray has been destroyed | :05:56. | :05:58. | |
by the wildfire that has raged in central Canada for | :05:59. | :06:00. | |
It's expected to be the most costly natural disaster | :06:01. | :06:03. | |
But officials say the fire may have reached a turning point, | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
with cooler temperatures helping firefighters. | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
The BBC picked up more than half of the awards on offer | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
Some winners used their acceptance speeches to defend the corporation, | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
ahead of this week's government White Paper on its future. | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
Wolf Hall won Best British Drama and Best Actor. | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
Its director, Peter Kosminsky, took the opportunity to warn | :06:25. | :06:26. | |
the government against interfering with public service broadcasting. | :06:27. | :06:38. | |
In many ways, our broadcasting, BBC and Channel 4, which they are also | :06:39. | :06:44. | |
attempting to eviscerate, is the envy of the world, and we should | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
stand up and fight for it, not let it go by default. If we don't, link | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
and it will be gone. Thank you very much. That is the latest BBC News. | :06:55. | :07:03. | |
Moore at 10:30am. This is what you thought. Quite a few of you wanting | :07:04. | :07:13. | |
to comment on how often the Conservative interrupted. Thoroughly | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
enjoy your programme but I'm really disappointed in the way that the | :07:20. | :07:22. | |
junior doctor was continually interrupted. The elderly gentleman | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
repeatedly talked over the young woman and no action was taken to | :07:29. | :07:36. | |
bring him to order. This tweet from Bobby referring to the research, | :07:37. | :07:44. | |
which shows that there is no higher mortality at the weekend, in | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
essence, the doctors were right and Jeremy Hunt was wrong. Continue to | :07:49. | :08:03. | |
get in touch. We have the sport. In the last few minutes the Court of | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
Arbitration for Sport has announced Michel Platini has had his ban from | :08:08. | :08:10. | |
all football related activity reduced from six to four Mac years. | :08:11. | :08:19. | |
He will resign from his role. Manuel Pellegrini did not get the farewell | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
he would have wanted at Manchester City's final home game of the | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
season. A draw with Arsenal means getting into the Champions League is | :08:27. | :08:34. | |
out of their hands. They lost their Leeds twice. Alexis Sanchez brought | :08:35. | :08:40. | |
Arsenal back twice. Annie Welbeck injured his knee and it could leave | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
him out of the euro -- Danny Welbeck. Manchester United travel to | :08:47. | :08:53. | |
West Ham United two points behind Manchester City. It is out of our | :08:54. | :09:01. | |
hands. On Tuesday we will know what happens. We will try to win our last | :09:02. | :09:11. | |
game at Swansea and see what happens with the other teams. Tottenham's | :09:12. | :09:18. | |
disappointing week did not get any better. They lost 2-1 to | :09:19. | :09:22. | |
Southampton. They can still secure second place if they get a point | :09:23. | :09:29. | |
against Newcastle. Liverpool are back to winning ways in the league. | :09:30. | :09:37. | |
They beat Watford 2-0. That keeps them eat in the table, one point | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
behind West Ham. Ronny Deila will leave Celtic having guided the club | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
to back-to-back titles. It was their fifth in a row after a 3-2 win over | :09:46. | :09:52. | |
Aberdeen. They were already nine points clear of the visitors and | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
19-year-old Patrick Roberts, on loan from Manchester City, scored twice. | :09:57. | :10:03. | |
Andy Murray has dropped to third in the world rankings after losing the | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
final of the Madrid Masters to Novak Djokovic. It was a slow start as he | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
lost the first set, he dusted himself off and came back | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
brilliantly to take the second. In the third set he could not make the | :10:18. | :10:20. | |
most of the break points and Novak Djokovic served to take his second | :10:21. | :10:27. | |
Madrid title. Roger Federer has leapfrogged Andy Murray to number | :10:28. | :10:36. | |
two in the world. We've been at the top of the game for a very long | :10:37. | :10:47. | |
time. I hope I can stay there for longer. Some players are playing | :10:48. | :10:50. | |
into their late 30s now. I don't know if I'll be able to do that but | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
there are hopefully a few good years left. Good morning. Thank you for | :10:56. | :11:02. | |
chilling in. "There's been no justice, | :11:03. | :11:04. | |
no day in court, no vindication" - the words of David, who says | :11:05. | :11:06. | |
at he age of 15 he was groomed, sexually assaulted and raped | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
by a family friend in the 1980s. That family friend took his own life | :11:11. | :11:13. | |
shortly after being warned by police that he was about to be arrested | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
over allegations of historic sexual abuse against | :11:18. | :11:20. | |
David and other boys. David, who's 49, has chosen | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
to waive his right to anonymity to tell us his story - | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
though he doesn't want He alleges that Gordon Dawson, | :11:29. | :11:31. | |
a farmer and respected community figure, abused him in Lincolnshire | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
and and on weekend trips to London where he believes other men may | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
also have been involved. David says when in London he stayed | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
at Dolphin Square, a block of flats 18 months ago police set up | :11:45. | :11:47. | |
an inquiry called Operation Midland to look into historical claims | :11:48. | :11:53. | |
of a Westminster VIP paedophile ring It closed in March this year - | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
without any charges being brought. He says he feels let down | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
by both Lincolnshire Police David has been telling his | :12:04. | :12:06. | |
story to Buzzfeed News His story is explicit and upsetting | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
and you may not want The interview lasts | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
just under 20 minutes. He started by describing how | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
the alleged abuse began Rural life involves a lot of things, | :12:20. | :12:36. | |
hunting, shooting, a lot of people do not like those things but it was | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
just how I grew up. You would learn how to shoot, the ways of the | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
country, they had a big farm, they had shoots that required production | :12:46. | :12:51. | |
of birds for the shoots, gamekeeping, you are privileged to | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
have a window into that and you spend a lot of time with somebody on | :12:58. | :13:05. | |
your own. And Gordon Dawson offered private shooting lessons which is | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
when he first sexually assaulted and raped you. Yes. That was the final | :13:10. | :13:16. | |
catalyst, it was an opportunity for him to have me on my own. You go out | :13:17. | :13:24. | |
at night and tonight shooting. You need to be quiet and close to each | :13:25. | :13:30. | |
other. There is a normality about that and I'm sure that is the way | :13:31. | :13:33. | |
that it works anyway, to be normal, there comes a time when the barriers | :13:34. | :13:41. | |
become broken down, you are of an age where you don't understand, you | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
know that it is not right but there are a lot of things you do that are | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
not right. You're learning and going through difficult times in your | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
head, physically as well, those barriers get broken down and then I | :13:55. | :14:00. | |
think it is almost open season. How old were you when this happened? 15. | :14:01. | :14:09. | |
What impact did it have on you? You die. That sounds quite strong but | :14:10. | :14:18. | |
that is how I feel. You feel that part of you is always 15 or even | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
younger. If you even younger. A child. I was very naive person at | :14:24. | :14:32. | |
that age. 15-year-olds are very different these days. Things have | :14:33. | :14:39. | |
changed dramatically in 35 years. Did you tell anyone? Not for a long | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
time. I was in my mid-20s before I told anybody. Do you know why you | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
did not tell your parents for example? I did not want them to | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
know. I tried to protect them. When things go on and happen, you become | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
embedded in it and cannot control your own mind. You are emasculated | :14:59. | :15:05. | |
and you feel numb about everything. You are not sure why it happened, | :15:06. | :15:16. | |
there are enormous questions. There is a part where you are told no one | :15:17. | :15:23. | |
will believe you. These are important people. He is an important | :15:24. | :15:30. | |
person. Who is going to believe you? Part of you thinks, maybe this is | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
what life is? Maybe this is what happens in life? Maybe it is just | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
me. You're trying to balance all that. | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
You tried to remove yourself from the situation. You changed schools, | :15:44. | :15:51. | |
you went to your old school which was further away, but Gordon offered | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
to bring you back on a Friday night, back to the family home and the | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
abuse continues, you say? I think that's when it got worse really | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
because I was then unknowingly putting myself in a worse situation | :16:06. | :16:11. | |
because obviously I lived several hours away from my parents and it | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
meant somebody needed to pick me up. Gordon was a generous and kind | :16:17. | :16:19. | |
person and you know, very close to my parents. He would say, "I will do | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
that. I will pick him up." And so he did. Not all the time, but often. | :16:25. | :16:30. | |
And then he began to suggest weekend trips to London and this was around | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
1982. Yes. Tell me what you remember of those weekends? I remember less | :16:36. | :16:43. | |
of those. It is a very different my mind remembers what happened very | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
clearly at home in Lincolnshire. London was different. It was | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
exciting. I had never really been to London as such. We would go to a | :16:53. | :16:58. | |
show. We would go to General Synod meetings. He had something to do | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
with that. I don't know exactly what, but we would go to those and I | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
would sit in the gallery and I can see it now and watch those meetings. | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
We would go to swanky dinners at various places. There would be a lot | :17:14. | :17:16. | |
of other people there at those dinners. And we stayed in a very big | :17:17. | :17:30. | |
place called Dolphin Square. But you would wake up the next morning and | :17:31. | :17:33. | |
know you had been abused? That was horrific. You know. As graphic as | :17:34. | :17:40. | |
you like, but at the end of the day, it doesn't take a lot of working out | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
if you're bleeding, you're bleeding and that's it and when you bleed | :17:45. | :17:47. | |
from certain places for certain reasons and you're trying to work it | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
all out and it is really tough and you have been through the mill. You | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
feel exhausted. So you can't piece the bits together. I think that | :17:55. | :17:58. | |
whole journey of understanding what happens to you became almost normal | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
for me because that became a semi regular occurrence. So you sort of | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
know something is going on, but you can't control it. Do you believe | :18:07. | :18:13. | |
that you were abused not just, you say by Gordon on these weekend | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
trips, but by other men? Yeah. And I think the damage that's done would | :18:19. | :18:27. | |
have to be explainable by somebody else because oh god, sorry... It is | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
all right. Only say what you want to say. There are certain physical | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
attributes which would point to the fact that it couldn't just have been | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
him. In 2007, you spoke to Lincolnshire Police after learning | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
that you might not have been the only alleged victim of Gordon | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
Dawson. Correct, yes. You spent a day with an investigating officer | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
from Lincolnshire Police, what did he tell you about Gordon Dawson? I | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
asked him if I was the only one. You spend your life thinking you are the | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
only one, it is only you and he said, he almost laughed, he didn't | :19:06. | :19:12. | |
laugh, but he was quite jovial about it and said, "No, we believe Gordon | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
Dawson has been an active paedophile for 45 years. He said you are | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
certainly not the only one. He used various numbers of people that had | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
come forward and various, a different number for people who had | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
actually made statements and were willing to stand by what they had | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
said. And that varied between nine and 20. So all of a sudden, I felt | :19:37. | :19:45. | |
that I wasn't so alone. Did the investigating officer Sergeant Jeff | :19:46. | :19:48. | |
Harrison reveal to you that Gordon Dawson had been arrested before? | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
Yes, twice apparently. That's how I came forward because somebody told | :19:54. | :19:57. | |
me they heard a rumour. They didn't know what happened to me, they knew | :19:58. | :20:02. | |
growing up that I had been a bit odd and a bit different and isolated. | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
They said, "I don't know why I'm ringing you, but I'm ringing to tell | :20:08. | :20:10. | |
you this happened. You probably ought to maybe speak to someone, I | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
don't know." That's how it kicked off. The day after you signed your | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
witness statement, you discovered that Gordon Dawson had killed | :20:19. | :20:26. | |
himself? Yes. And that was something that you thought might happen, | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
explain why? I was concerned that it was a risk and so I just asked as a | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
general question, what had happened to his guns, had he had them | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
removed? So Jeff said, "Ah, no, he hadn't. ." I said that should be | :20:40. | :20:46. | |
done because he is a high risk and you spent a considerable amount of | :20:47. | :20:49. | |
money and time a lot of people, we can't put that at risk and Jeff | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
said, "We have put two requests in to do this, but it has been denied. | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
They feel it is not a problem. I said well, it is a problem. How did | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
you react when you heard that Gordon Dawson had taken his own life? That | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
was tough. I mean dealing with this head-on was tough. Make ago | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
statement was tough. But I went on to a really difficult decline at | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
that point. That's when I think I realised, I'm a fairly tough guy, | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
but I realised that your mind is very vulnerable and everyone has so | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
much capacity and I think I had gone over mine and I had became as near | :21:26. | :21:30. | |
to a nervous breakdown as I ever want to get. Why do you think that | :21:31. | :21:41. | |
happened? Because you felt... The cheating, the fact that you will | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
never be able to see it out. That you get no resolution, no justice. | :21:48. | :21:50. | |
There has been no justice here whatsoever. You don't get your day | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
in courtment you don't get to be vindicated. You open that floodgate | :21:55. | :22:01. | |
to talk about this thing which is horrendous anyway and no one really | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
wants to believe it and I don't blame them and then surredenly it is | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
shut. So I was furious, absolutely furious. And I couldn't control the | :22:12. | :22:19. | |
fury. I was frightened of myself. I think I frightened other people. I | :22:20. | :22:22. | |
frightened my family, I frightened my friends. I ended up, I ended up | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
losing my career over it because I needed time off. I didn't have much | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
time off, I only had six weeks off in total. I shutdown, I didn't eat | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
for days, I lost two-and-a-half stone, I didn't shower for a | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
fortnight, I didn't shave for a fortnight, I didn't want to go out | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
of the house. Luckily I had good friends who said, "You've got to get | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
on with life, come with me, we're going here, we're going there." I | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
was lucky from that point of view, but it destrous you. It was at | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
Gordon Dawson's inquest that you learned that he had been told he was | :22:58. | :23:05. | |
about to be re-arrested. When you discovered that, what did you think? | :23:06. | :23:10. | |
Oh god, I couldn't believe that. That to me just seemed crazy. They | :23:11. | :23:17. | |
had apparently only done it twice. They had apparently rung him up to | :23:18. | :23:27. | |
tell him he was going to be arrested. My response to that was, | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
"Well, do you ring everybody? Do you ring your drug dealers? Don't pop | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
out because we are going to arrest you." That's how it felt to me. I | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
couldn't believe they prewarned people. Yeah, I was so shocked at | :23:42. | :23:47. | |
that procedure. No process. It just seemed really odd to me. It seemed | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
like favouritism. Would that have happened to me? Subsequently you | :23:53. | :23:58. | |
also learned that apparently, Dawson had been told that you had come | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
forward and made a statement. He was told that information? Yes. So I was | :24:03. | :24:08. | |
told. I did say, if fairness, I said, well, you know, does he know | :24:09. | :24:11. | |
who has come forward and they said no. I said if he knows I've come | :24:12. | :24:20. | |
forward, he won't like that. Because he is so close to my family. So I | :24:21. | :24:26. | |
said but you can happily tell him I wasn't in a fit state to make | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
decisions at that point. I didn't know how to compute that. Looking | :24:31. | :24:35. | |
back, it was the wrong thing to do. And seems bizarre that it actually | :24:36. | :24:39. | |
happened. But apparently it did. When he took his own life, that was | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
the end of the police investigation. Something that you complained about. | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
So they appoint add chief inspector from the force's Professional | :24:49. | :24:51. | |
Standards Department to do an internal investigation. Did you ever | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
hear the findings of that report, the outcome of that report? No, no, | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
again we have had no justice. No finals, no process, it has been | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
shutdown, shutdown all the way so that makes you nervous. What do you | :25:06. | :25:09. | |
think was going on? I came forward to help because someone said I think | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
something is going on and you can contribute and I did that and we did | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
the same with the Met as well. So really, you can't help, but worry | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
when you don't get answers. Your mind does tend to think what is | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
going on here? Because one person is telling me one thing and one person | :25:26. | :25:29. | |
is telling me another and when the person dies they shut the | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
investigation down completely. You mentioned the Metropolitan Police, | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
they had various investigations going on into allegations of past | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
sexual abuse by public figures. You got in touch with them to let them | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
know about your experiences and the fact thaw believed some of the abuse | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
happened at Dolphin Square, what came of your conversations with | :25:52. | :25:54. | |
them? I made it quite clear that I would speak to them, but I didn't | :25:55. | :25:58. | |
want messing around. That I had been messed around. They there had been | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
doors shut left, right and centre and people hadn't spoken to me and | :26:03. | :26:05. | |
that I asked for answers and I hadn't got them. And I said don't | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
give me false supportment they said come forward we will support you. | :26:11. | :26:13. | |
What's in place to support me? I was upfront before I went. I went. I | :26:14. | :26:20. | |
spoke to two super officers, super, they were, I would probably use the | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
word animated about what I had to tell them. I wish I could remember | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
more detail. I wish I could be more specific, I wish I had videos and | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
footage. It was almost like that's what you needed to prove it and so | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
we had the conversations. They said, when I left, I said to them, "Look | :26:39. | :26:46. | |
cut to the chase, am I walking out the door and you will say that guy | :26:47. | :26:56. | |
doesn't know enough. They said not. A few days later, thanks, but no | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
thanks. We are not looking at this. We are only interested in this. In | :27:01. | :27:03. | |
the end I pushed a bit harder and I got the guy running the case who | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
said the most incredibly dreadful e-mail. It is just unbelievable that | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
a guy in that position can speak let alone e-mail somebody. An e-mail | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
that's full of spelling mistakes and B, it is inappropriate in its | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
content and doesn't give my any clarity about what I went to | :27:24. | :27:27. | |
contribute towards and just fobs me off. We contacted the Met. They told | :27:28. | :27:32. | |
us they reviewed the material in your case, but, "In the absence of | :27:33. | :27:39. | |
new lines of inquiry and substantive allegations made or new witnesses, | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
the matter remains closed." How can they keep closing doors like this? | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
If there is nothing to hide, why can somebody not talk to me? Why can we | :27:50. | :27:53. | |
not have a conversation with somebody at a level that understand | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
these things. I did various Freedom of Information Requests, it has been | :27:59. | :28:01. | |
tough, it was the last thing I wanted to do. There is all sorts of | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
information that I had not had that I know exists and if it doesn't | :28:06. | :28:11. | |
exist why is it destroyed? I know the investigation they did in | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
Lincolnshire revealed some interesting facts. We got in touch | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
with them and asked them a series of questions about your case. "We will | :28:20. | :28:25. | |
not be respond to go your queries." That's charming, isn't it? They | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
actually never told me. Lincolnshire Police never actually told me that | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
Gordon Dawson shot himself. I heard it from a friend. I'm not saying | :28:36. | :28:40. | |
that anything untoward has gone on, but I'm saying I can't, but feel it | :28:41. | :28:46. | |
has. I was taken to Dolphin Square and I know a lot went on there. The | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
way to sort this out is get everything on the table. Let's get | :28:51. | :28:53. | |
this right going forward, it is so important. I nou I'm lucky. I still | :28:54. | :28:59. | |
have my sanity. I don't have an addiction. I haven't actually tried | :29:00. | :29:04. | |
to kill myself. I have come close, but I'm lucky. | :29:05. | :29:09. | |
Can you ask you finally to explain to our audience why you are waving | :29:10. | :29:17. | |
your right to anonymity? That's been a big one because I'm very private. | :29:18. | :29:24. | |
I have a life. I don't want to suffer from that, but at the same | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
time, it has gone on too long. I'm 50 next year. Every day I think | :29:29. | :29:35. | |
about this. Every day it is part of me and I think it is really | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
important. There has been enough secrets and enough hidden corners | :29:39. | :29:41. | |
and enough anonymity. Enough with the anonymity. Let's, I am who I am. | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
I know what happened. I have nothing to hide. I just want some answers, | :29:47. | :29:54. | |
you know, I have been raped, raped and abused, I just want to know more | :29:55. | :29:57. | |
and understand more. That's all. I don't think that's too much to ask. | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
Thank you very much for talking to us, David, thank you. Thank you. | :30:02. | :30:15. | |
One person says, he is a brave man talking about his child abuse. You | :30:16. | :30:22. | |
can watch the interview and read the article. We asked Gordon Dawson's | :30:23. | :30:26. | |
family for a reaction but they said they have no comment to make. The | :30:27. | :30:33. | |
Met police confirmed officers did review the material and in the | :30:34. | :30:43. | |
absence of any new witnesses, the matter remains closed. If new | :30:44. | :30:51. | |
evidence comes to light we will readdress that recorded decision. | :30:52. | :30:55. | |
Quite a few of you getting in touch about David Cameron's claim. | :30:56. | :31:02. | |
David says if Cameron feared such things, why did he ever allow a | :31:03. | :31:09. | |
referendum? This e-mail, the only prediction they have not tried yet | :31:10. | :31:18. | |
is ending the world. We asked for an informed debate. All we are getting | :31:19. | :31:22. | |
ask your stories. There will be uncertainty which ever way we go. | :31:23. | :31:27. | |
This tweet, David Cameron is clearly very worried. Here's a clip of what | :31:28. | :31:29. | |
he said. Isolationism has never served this | :31:30. | :31:40. | |
country well. Whenever we turn our back on Europe we come to regret it. | :31:41. | :31:46. | |
We've always had to go back in and always at a much higher cost. The | :31:47. | :31:53. | |
rows of white headstones in lovingly tended Commonwealth war cemeteries | :31:54. | :31:56. | |
stand as silent testament to the price this country has paid to | :31:57. | :32:03. | |
restore peace and order in Europe. Can we be so sure that peace and | :32:04. | :32:08. | |
stability on our continent are assured beyond a shadow of the | :32:09. | :32:12. | |
doubt? Is that a risk worth taking? I would never be so rash as to make | :32:13. | :32:16. | |
that assumption. It has been a leading 20 years since war in the | :32:17. | :32:21. | |
Balkans and genocide on our continent. In the last few years we | :32:22. | :32:25. | |
have seen tanks rolling into Georgia and Ukraine. Of this I am completely | :32:26. | :32:33. | |
sure. The European Union has helped reconcile countries which were at | :32:34. | :32:39. | |
each other's throats. Britain has a fundamental national interest at | :32:40. | :32:46. | |
maintaining common purpose in Europe to avoid future conflict. That | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
requires additional leadership and for Britain to remain a member. Let | :32:51. | :33:01. | |
Doctor Malcolm Rifkind. He served in Margaret Thatcher's government. Liam | :33:02. | :33:12. | |
Fox supports Britain leaving the EU. Is this scaremongering? I think this | :33:13. | :33:28. | |
was over the top this idea. It is proposed is. Is it a fair point? I | :33:29. | :33:34. | |
think Liam is missing the point. David Cameron was reminding us that | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
we had to Mac world wars which started in Europe, Britain was | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
involved from day one. The European Union was created as an attempt, a | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
successful attempt, to make sure that could never again happen in | :33:50. | :33:53. | |
Western Europe. I'm well aware that Nato is where we have the military | :33:54. | :33:59. | |
security of Europe but we also need the political reconciliation of all | :34:00. | :34:02. | |
the enemies, France, Germany, Britain. We were in both of these | :34:03. | :34:08. | |
wars and we've seen how Europe has had wars and is still having them. | :34:09. | :34:15. | |
The risk David Cameron was referring to is not that we would go to war | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
three years later, it is that we would start the fragmentation. For a | :34:22. | :34:27. | |
country the size of the UK to leave means the EU's existence would | :34:28. | :34:33. | |
become at stake. Final point is it is now call incidents that the | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
people who want to see us leave the EU are Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump, | :34:38. | :34:45. | |
whereas our friends in America, Australia, Canada are desperately | :34:46. | :34:49. | |
anxious that we remain. Is it worth any potential instability if Britain | :34:50. | :34:56. | |
leaves? I think the instability is already there. The nationalised | :34:57. | :35:03. | |
tendencies that led us to conflict I there. -- National list tendencies. | :35:04. | :35:09. | |
There is anger because of the democratic deficit. You're seeing | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
offences going up across Europe because, in my view, those running | :35:14. | :35:20. | |
Europe are refusing to change direction from a direction set in | :35:21. | :35:26. | |
the 1950s. This idea that the European Union has created stability | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
and peace since World War II, there has been an element of that, but | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
most of the countries have only been there since 2004. We were not there | :35:35. | :35:38. | |
for the first 20 years. I would agree that it is neater which has | :35:39. | :35:43. | |
provided that but there are more options. We cooperate with a lot of | :35:44. | :35:50. | |
countries not in the European Union. We can cooperate with our | :35:51. | :35:53. | |
counterparts in the European Union on the continent as we do with | :35:54. | :35:59. | |
Norway, which is not in the union but is part of continental Europe. | :36:00. | :36:04. | |
Some of these points are being made by voters, they say David Cameron is | :36:05. | :36:10. | |
being a bit over the top. If you go buy some of the headlines, Cameron | :36:11. | :36:16. | |
says there will be war, you has never said that but I can understand | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
why people would be angry. That is not what he is saying and you have | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
shown a very fair excerpt from it. He is saying Western Europe, never | :36:26. | :36:29. | |
mind Russia and Eastern Europe, Western Europe is where all of us | :36:30. | :36:39. | |
went to war, not once, twice, and why Churchill called for the | :36:40. | :36:44. | |
European Union was because, unless there was reconciliation, primarily | :36:45. | :36:50. | |
between France and Germany, we could not stay out of these wars. We are | :36:51. | :36:57. | |
part of Europe. If Europe fragments, a country the size of Britain | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
leaving, other countries might be saying, what is the future of this | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
European Union? That is why Vladimir Putin will be delighted. He knows | :37:07. | :37:14. | |
that I united Europe combined with Nato means his aspirations cannot be | :37:15. | :37:25. | |
realised. We were in the European Union when they invaded Georgia, the | :37:26. | :37:33. | |
annexed Crimea. I agree, of course we want reconciliation between | :37:34. | :37:35. | |
France and Germany but the model they choose is up to them. We need | :37:36. | :37:40. | |
to choose what is good for the United Kingdom and I think the model | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
is far too restrictive and interfering, and that is what we | :37:45. | :37:53. | |
need to get back. Let me respond to that point. The examples he uses | :37:54. | :37:58. | |
prove the point I was making. Russia has used Armed Forces in Ukraine and | :37:59. | :38:04. | |
Georgia, not members of the European Union. Estonia is. It has been | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
subject to a cyber attack but no military involvement because they | :38:10. | :38:15. | |
know perfectly well that it would be entitled to the protection of the | :38:16. | :38:21. | |
European Union. Do you accept that? I think this idea that they will be | :38:22. | :38:25. | |
dancing in the Kremlin if we leave the European Union is hyperbolic and | :38:26. | :38:28. | |
I don't think helps the rational debate. There are lots of ways that | :38:29. | :38:34. | |
the United Kingdom could continue to cooperate as a sovereign nation | :38:35. | :38:40. | |
without Brussels telling at what laws we need to accept and who can | :38:41. | :38:43. | |
settle in the United Kingdom and how to spend our money. It is about what | :38:44. | :38:48. | |
kind of model we want. And if other countries were to choose to leave, | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
it is because the European Union was feeling for them as well. That is | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
one of the things that I hope will happen. I hope if we leave it will | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
be shock therapy for those who are in control in Brussels to recognise | :39:01. | :39:04. | |
that other countries might leave if they don't change the way in which | :39:05. | :39:07. | |
they are running the European Union. Does that not make you worry about | :39:08. | :39:12. | |
intelligence sharing across the European Union if Britain leaves? | :39:13. | :39:21. | |
What one head of MI6 was sharing, that they might share intelligence | :39:22. | :39:25. | |
but not what Britain wants. If we are influencing that it is a good | :39:26. | :39:35. | |
thing. Are closest partners... We have the closest intelligence | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
sharing with countries not in the European Union. It is in our mutual | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
interests to do so for the protection of our citizens. This | :39:44. | :39:47. | |
idea that the other European countries would diminish that | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
intelligence sharing because we are outside the European Union accept | :39:52. | :39:54. | |
that they would be willing to tolerate additional risk to their | :39:55. | :39:59. | |
own citizens as a punishment for Britain is absurd in the real world. | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
We are not going to not pass on intelligence to Britain. Are they? I | :40:04. | :40:13. | |
am not going to shirk from saying this, I cheered Britain's | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
intelligence committee for five years. Liam is right that our | :40:19. | :40:23. | |
cooperation with America, Australia, Canada and New Zealand is very | :40:24. | :40:27. | |
important but the terrorist threat we are getting at the moment is | :40:28. | :40:35. | |
within Britain, France and Belgium, it is European cooperation on | :40:36. | :40:38. | |
intelligence that is crucially important over the next few years. | :40:39. | :40:44. | |
Sir Richard Dearlove said if another European country got a tip-off about | :40:45. | :40:49. | |
an attack they are not going to not tell us. You are absolutely right, | :40:50. | :40:56. | |
any civilised country would tell us, but that is not the point, properly | :40:57. | :41:03. | |
intelligence is done by accumulating very large amounts of data on | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
suspected terrorists and the people we are mixing with. Because these | :41:09. | :41:12. | |
are international terrorists, in France, Belgium, Britain, | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
communicate with each other, we need to get that information very | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
quickly. Let me give one example, if a DNA sample is found at the moment | :41:23. | :41:26. | |
it takes hours, days, for that exchange between various countries. | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
Under the new scheme in the EU which we will benefit from, crucial DNA | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
information can be shared within minutes. Just one example. I could | :41:36. | :41:41. | |
give half a dozen others. That is why the head of MI5 and MI6 and | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
everyone involved in intelligence, there are a couple that take a | :41:46. | :41:51. | |
different view but the vast majority of people who handle intelligence | :41:52. | :41:55. | |
would be deeply disturbed if the improvements we are seeing in | :41:56. | :41:58. | |
European cooperation were set back in this gratuitous way. I don't | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
think they need to be set back. I think we can cooperate with our | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
partners and find ways of doing what is in our mutual interest. You've | :42:07. | :42:09. | |
got to balance some of that against the American Attorney General seeing | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
that the way in which we could deal with information in Europe might | :42:16. | :42:19. | |
affect information sharing with the US. You need to look at the Hall of | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
the argument. The intelligence community is not all on one side. | :42:24. | :42:28. | |
Overwhelmingly in the intelligence community they are saying Britain is | :42:29. | :42:33. | |
safer in with Europe. They are saying if we were excluded. I don't | :42:34. | :42:37. | |
think we would be. But you don't know? It is up to the government to | :42:38. | :42:47. | |
protect the situation. On all these questions, Liam and his colleagues, | :42:48. | :42:51. | |
all they can say is we don't believe this will happen, we hope this will | :42:52. | :42:55. | |
not happen, we see no reason why it should happen. That is not the | :42:56. | :42:58. | |
reassurance the people of Britain will have. Thank you. Liam Fox, | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
former Defence Secretary, and Sir Malcolm Rifkind, former Foreign | :43:04. | :43:11. | |
Secretary. A 64-year-old man has admitted murdering a teenage girl | :43:12. | :43:13. | |
who was stabbed to death over three decades ago. Christopher Hampton has | :43:14. | :43:22. | |
pleaded guilty to murdering the girl, who was 17. She was described | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
as bright and outgoing by her family. She was sexually assaulted | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
and died from multiple stab wounds. She had decided to walk the 20 | :43:32. | :43:34. | |
minute journey home following a night out with friends in Somerset. | :43:35. | :43:37. | |
The body was discovered the next morning. Father of three Christopher | :43:38. | :43:43. | |
Hampton from Bristol had been due to stand trial at Bristol Crown Court | :43:44. | :43:48. | |
today after denying the charge originally. He has admitted | :43:49. | :43:55. | |
murdering the girl as she was walking home after a night out. She | :43:56. | :44:04. | |
was stabbed to death 32 years ago. Time to stand up and say no to this | :44:05. | :44:13. | |
dangerous nonsense. The director of Wolf Hall was just one of the stars | :44:14. | :44:16. | |
who spoke up in defence of the BBC. It comes days before the government | :44:17. | :44:23. | |
plans to publish its plans setting out the structure for the future of | :44:24. | :44:30. | |
the BBC. I think all these films, the writers, directors, the cast and | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
crew, everyone in this hall, is able to do what they do as well as they | :44:35. | :44:36. | |
do because the BBC. Do not strip it away. Did you watch | :44:37. | :45:00. | |
the Hollow Crown last night? I would like to thank the BBC who have | :45:01. | :45:06. | |
allowed us to be rude about the government, of all persuasions and | :45:07. | :45:10. | |
none, and their opposition, and rude about the BBC itself, which is a | :45:11. | :45:16. | |
privilege you are given with public service broadcasting and not on | :45:17. | :45:19. | |
state television. Thank you very much. I am struck tonight by the | :45:20. | :45:27. | |
quality of the story telling in this country and I agree with Peter that | :45:28. | :45:32. | |
the times are hard but I think, will to any government or corporation who | :45:33. | :45:38. | |
tries to get between the British people and their love of a good | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
joke, a true story, a good song, a fact, fiction, good sports | :45:44. | :45:49. | |
commentating, newscasters who can hold themselves together as they | :45:50. | :45:53. | |
tell stories about tragedies, the incredible variety, people can cook | :45:54. | :46:01. | |
well, bake cakes, the variety of culture, of popular culture in this | :46:02. | :46:05. | |
country, it is really blowing my mind tonight. In the week in which | :46:06. | :46:12. | |
John Whittingdale described the disappearance of the BBC as a | :46:13. | :46:16. | |
tempting prospect, I'd like to say a few words in defence of that | :46:17. | :46:17. | |
organisation. APPLAUSE I think most people would | :46:18. | :46:32. | |
agree the BBC's main job is to speak truth to power. To report to the | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
British public without fear or favour no matter how unpalatable | :46:38. | :46:40. | |
that might be to those in Government. It is a public | :46:41. | :46:43. | |
broadcaster, independent of Government, it is your BBC. | :46:44. | :46:52. | |
APPLAUSE In many ways, in many ways our | :46:53. | :46:58. | |
broadcasting, the BBC and Channel 4, which they are also attempting to | :46:59. | :47:04. | |
vis rate, is the envy of the world and we should stand up and fight for | :47:05. | :47:12. | |
it, not let it go by default and if we don't, blink, and it will be | :47:13. | :47:22. | |
gone. There will be no more Wolf Halls. | :47:23. | :47:31. | |
No, no. APPLAUSE | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
It's time for us to stand up and say no to this dangerous nonsense. Thank | :47:36. | :47:37. | |
you very much. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | :47:38. | :47:54. | |
This week the Government is due to publish its plans for the future of | :47:55. | :48:02. | |
the BBC. There is speculation about what the plans might involve. Steve | :48:03. | :48:08. | |
Hewlett is the man we turn to for BBC analysis. OK, what do we think | :48:09. | :48:14. | |
is going to be in the white paper published on Thursday? Very little | :48:15. | :48:17. | |
of what has been suggested to be honest. The whole thing is getting | :48:18. | :48:21. | |
out of hand. It is getting hot and heavy. We have been waiting ages for | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
this and it is coming up on Thursday and everyone is getting over | :48:26. | :48:31. | |
excited. Is there any evidence of a full-on ideological assault on the | :48:32. | :48:35. | |
BBC? The answer is, well I have no evidence for it. The answer is | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
probably no. Some of what has been said appears to me to be on the face | :48:40. | :48:42. | |
of it over the top. On the other hand, there have been weeks of | :48:43. | :48:50. | |
briefings from around the DMCS, suggesting a Government might step | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
in, the BBC might be forced to disclose the names of individual | :48:55. | :48:58. | |
people, talent as it were, who earn individual amounts of money. We | :48:59. | :49:02. | |
could talk about that, there is all sorts of issues about that. The BBC | :49:03. | :49:07. | |
might be forced to sell this, sell that. A new board? So lots of leaks | :49:08. | :49:18. | |
on one hand. Most of which are over briefed and over written and | :49:19. | :49:22. | |
nonsense. What is really going on? Is there a fair question to ask | :49:23. | :49:25. | |
about the BBC's market impact? Of course, there is. It is a huge | :49:26. | :49:32. | |
public intervention. You can't put in $3.7 billion and keep your | :49:33. | :49:35. | |
fingers crossed that you don't damage other people in the process. | :49:36. | :49:39. | |
There are lines in the existing charter, and the one before, about | :49:40. | :49:45. | |
the BBC's market impact. Do I expect something about the BBC's market | :49:46. | :49:49. | |
impact? I hope so. It would be madness not to. Will it amount to | :49:50. | :49:53. | |
John Whittingdale trying to schedule Saturday night? Not a chance. Let's | :49:54. | :50:01. | |
bring in Lord Ali, he is launching a draft Bill against the proposals. | :50:02. | :50:04. | |
Good morning to you. An independent TV producer and founder of the Great | :50:05. | :50:10. | |
BBC Campaign. What is it that you're worried about then? I think there | :50:11. | :50:14. | |
are three big tests for the white paper on Thursday. One, does it | :50:15. | :50:17. | |
guarantee the independence of the BBC? Two, does it guarantee the | :50:18. | :50:22. | |
licence fee throughout the Charter period? And three, does it guarantee | :50:23. | :50:28. | |
the core mission of the BBC to educate, inform and entertain? And | :50:29. | :50:31. | |
those three things are the tests that I will be looking at along with | :50:32. | :50:36. | |
normal Fowler and Anthony Leicester as to whether they are guaranteed in | :50:37. | :50:42. | |
the white paper. Everything John Whittingdale has done has been in | :50:43. | :50:46. | |
effect to undermine those principles. I disagree with Steve. I | :50:47. | :50:51. | |
do think the Culture Secretary is ideological opposed to the BBC. You | :50:52. | :50:55. | |
saw that when he was joking with Conservative students last week, | :50:56. | :50:58. | |
when he said that the demise of the BBC is a welcome thought. It was a | :50:59. | :51:07. | |
joke! Yeah, but out of those jokes you get his sentiments. Can you tell | :51:08. | :51:12. | |
our audience one thing that the Culture Secretary has done which | :51:13. | :51:17. | |
undermines the BBC in the way you have described? So wanting to | :51:18. | :51:21. | |
appoint directors to the board. Directly from Government. Talking | :51:22. | :51:25. | |
about top-slicing the licence fee. Trying to replace the licence fee. | :51:26. | :51:30. | |
Talking about making the BBC make less popular programmes. Looking at | :51:31. | :51:36. | |
competitive scheduling. Now, this would all make sense if somehow ITV | :51:37. | :51:42. | |
and Sky were in trouble. ITV and Sky are amazing organisations. They are | :51:43. | :51:47. | |
extraordinary organisations. Sky made ten, on a turn-over of ?10 | :51:48. | :51:51. | |
billion and made ?1.7 billion of profit. ITV on a turnover of ?3 | :51:52. | :51:56. | |
billion made ?800 million of the these are not broadcasters in | :51:57. | :52:00. | |
trouble. They are at their best. Why does the Secretary of State want to | :52:01. | :52:04. | |
tie the BBC's hands? Thank you. Let me bring in John Red | :52:05. | :52:15. | |
Wood who supports the Government's plans. John Red Wood, what do you | :52:16. | :52:19. | |
want to change? What do you hope the Culture Secretary will change about | :52:20. | :52:23. | |
the way the BBC operates? Well, as we've heard rightly from Stephen, | :52:24. | :52:28. | |
most of these are scare stories. What do you want to see differently? | :52:29. | :52:31. | |
The Government supports the BBC and it support the licence fee and it | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
supports public service broadcasting. The issue which has | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
been explored before and needs to be explored again is its competitive | :52:40. | :52:43. | |
impact because we want lots of talent is isn't of the BBC able to | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
produce interesting and challenging programmes. What would you like to | :52:48. | :52:54. | |
see? My worry about the BBC, I don't think it lives up to one of the | :52:55. | :52:57. | |
claims that it provides a challenge to power. If you take the issue of | :52:58. | :53:03. | |
Europe and its involvement to our economy. I remember making the case | :53:04. | :53:08. | |
in the print media and elsewhere that the European exchange rate | :53:09. | :53:12. | |
mechanism would give us recession and mass unemployment. The BBC | :53:13. | :53:15. | |
wouldn't run any of that as a programme. They happen to be true. | :53:16. | :53:21. | |
That's going back a few years. You may well have a point. What do you | :53:22. | :53:25. | |
want to change? We want a background where the BBC is able to challenge | :53:26. | :53:29. | |
the establishment view when it is wrong as it was on the exchange rate | :53:30. | :53:34. | |
mechanism and the euro and the print media allows us to challenge it and | :53:35. | :53:38. | |
the BBC doesn't. It won't allow me to make the case about how I think | :53:39. | :53:42. | |
we would be better off by leaving the European Union. That's not true. | :53:43. | :53:45. | |
You have been on this programme making the case yourself! All these | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
other people are saying we're going to be worse off. You know we have to | :53:50. | :53:53. | |
balance it and we are doing a reasonable job of doing that. What | :53:54. | :53:58. | |
is it that you're worried about? With all the discussions, I'm not | :53:59. | :54:01. | |
hearing people talk about being a lover of the programmes. I'm a lover | :54:02. | :54:12. | |
of the BBC. Along with most of the audience, radio appreciation 82% and | :54:13. | :54:16. | |
I was on Newsnight talking about leaving Europe. There is a space for | :54:17. | :54:20. | |
that type of debate. For me, the big issue is this shift from is it going | :54:21. | :54:26. | |
to be a public broadcaster or is it going to become a State | :54:27. | :54:29. | |
broadcasting? That's the thing. We can sit here like Steve you talked | :54:30. | :54:32. | |
about what you thought would be in the white paper. The issue is there | :54:33. | :54:35. | |
have been so many leaks, it is no wonder everyone has got into a | :54:36. | :54:39. | |
state, quite a tizzy about it and it has got lots of people rightly | :54:40. | :54:44. | |
talking. The politics of this are peculiar. And it goes back to how | :54:45. | :54:48. | |
the whole thing started. The financial deal that the BBC, around | :54:49. | :55:01. | |
which the BBC will be structured. It is an ?800 million cut, it is 20% of | :55:02. | :55:10. | |
the BBC's budget. That's proper grievous bodily harm. That's serious | :55:11. | :55:14. | |
whatever happens with the white paper. John Whittingdale and his | :55:15. | :55:17. | |
department, it is cart before horse. You discuss the BBC, its size, its | :55:18. | :55:22. | |
scope, its purposes, why bother and all these things, it is proper to | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
discuss every ten years and say given that we should pay this. | :55:27. | :55:28. | |
Unfortunately, it is the wrong way around. The debate has an unusual | :55:29. | :55:35. | |
politics to it. That's the big question. What's the structure of | :55:36. | :55:38. | |
the BBC going to be from this white paper? The BBC Trust has shown | :55:39. | :55:44. | |
itself to be ineffective and politically, become something of a | :55:45. | :55:47. | |
dead letter because was it the regulator, was it the cheerleader | :55:48. | :55:50. | |
and those dreadful scenes in front of the Public Accounts Committee | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
where the chairman of the BBC was attacking the Director-General over | :55:55. | :55:57. | |
who knew what about how much executives were paid to leave. It | :55:58. | :56:01. | |
was an unedifying sight and left people thinking this clearly doesn't | :56:02. | :56:05. | |
work. The idea coming forward is a new unitary boardment fine, what | :56:06. | :56:09. | |
happened? The BBC welcomed the unitary board, but thought hang on a | :56:10. | :56:14. | |
minute, who appoints the directors? John Whittingdale has not said that | :56:15. | :56:20. | |
it he intends to appoint the directors. He said that he didn't | :56:21. | :56:24. | |
see why Government appointment per se undermined their independence | :56:25. | :56:27. | |
because he said, the Government already... It will undermine. That's | :56:28. | :56:35. | |
one of the big questions, isn't it? Is that an issue for you or are you | :56:36. | :56:39. | |
not bothered who will appoint the directors of the BBC? Well, I want | :56:40. | :56:44. | |
independent directors and I suspect that's what the Secretary of State | :56:45. | :56:47. | |
wants. Quite often we have so-called independent bodies in this country | :56:48. | :56:50. | |
where Governments do produce the nominees and they have a system | :56:51. | :56:54. | |
using officials and outside advisors to get independent bodies. I really | :56:55. | :56:58. | |
don't think the Secretary of State wants to run a propaganda outfit | :56:59. | :57:03. | |
through the BBC. He knows that would be quite wrong and inappropriate. He | :57:04. | :57:09. | |
said that he doesn't see the Government appointments undermine | :57:10. | :57:13. | |
their independence. We have a so-called Bank of England Monetary | :57:14. | :57:17. | |
Policy Committee, but they are appointed... You have to be brief? | :57:18. | :57:21. | |
This is the BBC's operational board and if the Government appoints the | :57:22. | :57:24. | |
majority of directors in the word out there, you can kiss goodbye to | :57:25. | :57:28. | |
the perception at least... Is the governor of the Bank of England | :57:29. | :57:31. | |
independent because he is appointed by the Bank of England? This is a | :57:32. | :57:34. | |
big worry that people like myself have and I think the public have | :57:35. | :57:38. | |
what, is the involvement that the Government will have and I think it | :57:39. | :57:43. | |
is a dangerous step when they become involved. Do you think it is a | :57:44. | :57:47. | |
dangerous step? I care about it. I want them to be independent. Who | :57:48. | :57:51. | |
does appoint them? They do care about it because once you have those | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
type of people on the highest level of the BBC then that filters down to | :57:56. | :57:59. | |
the type of programmes we have. How do you do this? We will find out on | :58:00. | :58:04. | |
Thursday. Paul says, "How nice to see a room full of millionaires. The | :58:05. | :58:17. | |
BAFTAs last night. Night shouting for the BBC." James Nesbitt in | :58:18. | :58:21. | |
support of the BBC. Joanna is here tomorrow and she will bring you | :58:22. | :58:25. | |
access to a counterfeit drugs raid. Have a good day. | :58:26. | :58:32. |