16/05/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

We'll be live on the Greece-Macedonian border.

Children as young as six are being called witches

by their own families and enduring exorcisms to dispel

We will hear from victims who were subjected

Anything goes wrong in that family, I was the responsibility for it.

So it wasn't anything about, like, genuine life problems,

Rising levels of violence, self-harm and suicide behind bars

threaten to severely undermine the government's prisons overhaul.

We'll be talking to ex-inmates, one of whom was stabbed whilst inside.

If you're getting in touch, do use the hashtag VictoriaLive

and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

A little later in the programme we'll be talking to a woman whose

mum was so scared she had dementia she wouldn't go

We have the last one of our films by our brilliant Leicester fans

who have been looking back over the past two incredible weeks

for the club and we'll look ahead to Roy Hodgson's squad announcement

If you support England, tell me which strikers you want

in the squad and would you start with Wayne Rooney?

Would you take Wayne Rooney to France?

Our top story today: Officials in Greece say migrant arrivals

to the country have dropped to a trickle because of the deal

between the EU and Turkey which discourages asylum seekers.

However, tens of thousands of people are still stranded in Greece hoping

to get to other parts of the continent.

The Greek administration has said it needs other EU governments to help.

large number of refugees are living near the border between Greece and

Macedonia. Tell us about the conditions that people are living

in. There are more than 9000 people here in the camp behind me. This is

the border with Macedonia, which is to the right of where I am standing.

Many of the people here have been in the camp for more than two months

now. The last time the border open was on the 23rd of February, and

after that nobody has been able to get through from here. These are

just people waiting, hoping to get across the border. This is not given

an official camp recognised by the Greek government. These are just

people living in tents. They cook outside. Food is provided to them by

charities. But the Greek government does want to move them to what

artificial camps because they feel they can provide them with better

facilities. -- to official camps. It is difficult to move people because

they want to be near the border because they want to go to the rest

of Europe. And also they are worried about conditions in the other camps

as well as whether or not they will be open camps, where they can walk

in or out, like this is. So what will happen to those people? Well,

they are trying to shift these people out into official camps and

the government has said there are facilities ready for about 11,000

people, which should pretty much take all of the population here.

That should be ready in a few weeks' time. However, that is not a

permanent solution. It is temporary. These people, most of them don't

want to stay in Greece. They want to go to other countries in Europe. I

asked a spokesman for the Greek government what the plan was, and he

says they are planning to relocate 66,000 people in Greece, but the

process is taking a very long time. Greece is expecting that other

European governments will make that process quicker. Thank you. And now

we can get a summary of the rest of the news from Joanna in the BBC

newsroom. Hello. A full inquiry into how a fake bomb

used in a training exercise came to be left at Manchester United's

stadium is being demanded by the city's mayor and Police

and Crime Commissioner. Tens of thousands of fans had to be

evacuated from Old Trafford yesterday, shortly before United's

game against Bournemouth. Our sports news correspondent,

Andy Swiss, reports. PA ANNOUNCER: Due to the discovery

of a suspicious package in the north-west quadrant

of the ground, the match has been abandoned for

today on police advice. It prompted the evacuation

of a stadium, the postponement And in the end, it was

just a training device. But no-one knew that at three

o'clock yesterday afternoon, when first two stands and then

the whole of Old Trafford were emptied, after a suspect

package was found. Reports that the bomb squad have

been arriving, here we are, Fans were praised for their calmness

and composure as bomb disposal experts carried out

a controlled explosion. But late last night,

police confirmed the item device which had accidentally been

left by a private company following a training exercise

involving explosives search dogs. For two fans who had

come over from Dallas, a 9000-mile round trip,

just to see the game, the news was All we can do is laugh,

but on the inside How can it be something that simple,

just something that got So, on Tuesday night,

the teams and the fans will return here, hoping finally to see

this fixture played. In the meantime, the authorities

will be trying to get to the bottom Our reporter Jayne McCubbin

is outside the stadium. That fan selling it up when he asked

how it can be that simple. What more do we know about the device? Huge

embarrassment for this world-famous club. What we know this morning is

that this was not a bomb, not a hoax replica, but a training device, as

you heard in that report, and we know it was left by a private

security force that had been brought in to help with sniffer dog training

here at Old Trafford. We know that the last sniffer dog training took

place last Wednesday and we know that that device was found in a

public toilet inside the stadium. This was treated so seriously

because of course the UK is on a heightened security alert at the

moment. We are told that a terrorist attack on the UK is extremely

likely. And that is why this event yesterday became the first match in

the history of the Premier League to be cancelled because of security

concerns. Because of that heightened sense of security. A huge training

operation took place less than a mile away in the Trafford centre

last week, no wonder it was taken so seriously, but what an embarrassment

for this club. And presumably quite expensive? What will it cost?

Absolutely. The estimated cost is upwards of ?3 million because the

club has agreed to compensate everybody for their ticket prices

and they have got to restage the match tomorrow night at 8pm, and

they will have to pay for the policing of that event all over

again. A huge embarrassment. The Police and Crime Commissioner Tony

Lloyd is saying it is an outrage, a fiasco, and he wants a public

inquiry into how this could have happened. Not just that the device

was left at Old Trafford in the first place but how it was missed by

the security staff before fans were allowed inside, before players took

to the pitch yesterday. Lots of red faces behind my shoulders today.

Thank you. There's a warning that safety

in prisons in England and Wales has deteriorated rapidly

in the past year. MPs say they're concerned

about a soaring rise in suicides, attacks on staff, and serious

assaults in the last 12 months. The Justice Committee said that

improvement was urgently needed. Ministers say that

improvements are being made. University tuition fees in England

are likely to rise for students Under plans expected to be revealed

by the government today, universities will face greater

scrutiny of the quality It will also become easier

to open new universities. But Labour has warned there aren't

enough controls to stop too Natalie Bennett is to step down

as the leader of the Green Party. She has announced she won't stand

for re-election after her second two-year spell comes

to an end in August. The Australian former journalist

told The Guardian newspaper that she got some things wrong

because she isn't what she calls a smooth, spin-trained,

lifelong politician. Talks will continue later

between the government and union representatives over

the controversial new junior The negotiations, which are being

hosted by the conciliation service Acas, were scheduled

to finish last week, The medics have held

a series of strikes over the new working terms,

which ministers have said The group which represents big

business in the UK has cut its economic growth forecast

for this year and next. The CBI said the uncertainty over

whether UK will remain part of the European Union was having

a tangible impact on spending plans. It predicted the economy would grow

by 2% in 2016 and 2017, down from a previous forecast

of 2.3% and 2.1% respectively. Tens of thousands of British

investors who lost money when the Spanish property market

collapsed, could be Spain's Supreme Court has ruled that

banks should pay back all deposits lost by those who bought

off-plan apartments. Our Business Correspondent Joe

Lynam has the details. For many it was to be their dream

home. Endless sunshine and great value, but the Spanish property boom

all went wrong in 2008. Thousands of British investors lost a fortune

when they paid large deposits to secure apartments being built off

plans. But when the developers went bust, as many did, all those cash

deposits were lost. Stephanie Davies and her ailing husband handed over

77,000 euros to a Spanish developer to secure her dream home by the

Mediterranean. She lost it all. Absolutely gutted. It is an awful

amount of money to lose. We just couldn't believe it, I suppose. My

husband got so pale and all that mattered was him, really. He was in

and out of hospital. It was a horrible illness. To be quite

honest, the money was the least of our worries. But Stephanie's luck

might be turning. A new ruling in Spain said that the bank should have

protected all deposits when developers went bust and the

repercussions could be huge. There is no official date but one law firm

believes that up to 100,000 British investors could be in line for a

rebate, which could mean an average pay-out of ?20,000 from each of

plans investor. The whole thing could cost Spanish banks at least

?15 billion. Now there is a real possibility to recover the money. It

was impossible to win it back from the property developers in most

places but now you can claim from the bank that they have the

resources to pay the money back. For British investors, should they be

quietly confident that they will get the money back? Yes. But as lawyers

we can never say 100%. While investors like Stephanie can be

optimistic, Spanish banks will not pay out easily. If they don't fight,

the potential cost of these claims could wipe some of them out.

Dame Helen Mirren, Kylie Minogue, and Ant and Dec have joined forces

to help celebrate the Queen's 90th birthday in a pageant

Her Majesty arrived in the Diamond Jubilee state coach

before taking her seat for the show which featured nearly a thousand

The Queen and Duke of Edinburgh arriving in the grounds

This to be a particularly special night in the continuing celebrations

A pageant involving 900 horses and 1500 people

from around the world, putting on a spectacular display.

And at a breathtaking pace, with the soldiers

The musical performances, including with opera

singer Katherine Jenkins, providing a brief

Whilst most of the performers came from Britain or the Commonwealth,

there were some show-stealing appearances by,

amongst others, the women of the Royal Cavalry of Oman,

and then the Karabakh riders from Azerbaijan took

This pageant featured scenes from the Queen's life and times,

from the Second World War to the Highland Games.

And the finale featured, of course, a giant birthday

Richard Galpin, BBC News. Looks like a good show. Back to you, Victoria.

Thank you. Good morning. It is quarter past nine.

First this morning, witchcraft in the UK.

You may find it difficult Quite widely with mild nights to come.

to believe but there are families in this country

who believe their own child is a witch.

It means children are being exorcised in order to dispel

Experts say it's abuse and that children are being subjected

to horrific treatment during exorcisms, ranging

from chilli being rubbed into their eyes or genitals,

Last year the Metropolitan Police dealt with 60 cases,

an increase of over 50% compared with three years earlier.

Labour MP Catherine McKinnell is worried that cases involving

witchcraft aren't being recorded properly and she's going to raise it

with other MPs who sit with her on the Education Select

Our reporter Noel Philips is the first journalist to be given

exclusive access to social workers in Tower Hamlets in London

as they discuss the case of one six-year-old girl whose parents

His film contains some disturbing images and lasts

This is what some people believe being possessed

I give you order, in the name of Jesus.

Here this British bishop is carrying out a deliverance ceremony

in South Africa for a young girl he believes is

It's a craft, that's why it's called witchcraft.

It was a nightmare, it's something that I don't think any

It is abuse, children are damaged by it, frightened and sometimes

This is more prominent, in my view, than ever.

Mardoche has first-hand experience of this kind of abuse.

He's 24-years-old but was accused of being a witch

This was me, and these are more pictures.

He came to London from the Congo to live with his extended family.

This is the first time he is telling his story

about being accused of eating human flesh and killing his own mum,

I got accused of killing my own mother.

The mum that brought you into this world,

I was accused of flying at night, eating people.

The baby crying at night and all that stuff, and I got

I was going to their room, flying in their room, like a spirit.

Like my body was still in my bedroom but my spirit was out,

His extended family made plans to send him back to the Congo

for an exorcism in 2005, as it was the only way

they thought he could be cured, but his school alerted social

workers at Islington Council, who he claims were considering going

They were telling me, you need to go back.

The pastor was saying I needed to go back.

The headteacher, she didn't really get it at all, she didn't

understand it, so she said, I can't write this letter

for you guys to send this kid back because I don't believe

So, yeah, that's how she got the social services involved.

Do you think the social services understood what they were

That's when they took quite a long time to make the decision,

I want to know how my life would be now...

I don't think I would be here, but I don't know, to be honest.

But the idea that they were actually,

But despite his ordeal, Mardoche refuses to live

For the first time in 12 years, he's come back to the home

He felt he had to return in order to move on.

In my mind I was a prisoner, so I didn't really know,

I was hoping, relying on social services or whatever.

Islington Council has told us that social workers acted

swiftly to remove Mardoche from his extended family,

and they would never support a child being sent for a deliverance

What would have happened to Mardoche if he had been sent back

I have witnessed exorcisms take place in Africa,

where the children have been really seriously physically abused.

I've personally witnessed and researched where children out

there have gone through terrible physical abuse, from fasting

of water and food for three days, through to being bent double

and forced to vomit out the so-called witchcraft,

right through, I have seen pastors cutting children with razor blades

He would have been in real mortal danger, if he'd been sent back.

Doctor Richard Hoskins is an expert who was involved in Mardoche's case.

He claims Islington Council had asked him to travel to the Congo,

to find out what would happen if Mardoche was sent back.

I see, I see, two spirits of evil standing at the back...

Now a quick look online is all it takes to see religious leaders

like Doctor Charles Motondo, carrying out deliverance ceremonies.

He runs the Grace Faith Ministries in Leeds, and travels across the UK

and Africa helping young people possessed by the devil.

He says it is a full-time job, which he has been

We believe in the power of prayer, to heal any form

Christopher Okworu is a pharmacist by day, and a pastor by night.

He says deliverance ceremonies have been around for hundreds of years.

It's a craft, that's why it's called witchcraft.

Casting out demons is not a new thing.

It's a practice that has been going on for

What we do, we adhere strongly to the word of God.

But there are many faith leaders and parents who take matters

Victoria Climbie and Kristy Bamu were brutally murdered

by their families here in the UK, who thought they were setting them

Kristy's death in 2010 drew attention to the fact that some

children are still at risk from so-called traditional beliefs.

What do you do if somebody walks in with their ten-year-old child

and says, "Pastor, I believe my son or daughter is a witch"?

Yes, what we do in cases like that is to commit the family

I believe in cases of young children, you know,

I will not decide straight away or take issues,

We've seen evidence which shows some parents taking their children

abroad to kill them of their so-called evil spirits.

A 12-year-old girl was flown from Gatwick Airport

The authorities are meant to keep their eyes open

for children like her, but she slipped through the net.

And it has since emerged, in her serious case review,

that airport officials were given an anonymous tip off

that she was being sent back home because she was suspected

I've come to meet Professor Jean La Fontaine, who recently studied more

than 30 cases reported to the Metropolitan Police.

She says in half the cases that she's looked at,

parents were responsible of accusing their own

They may have chili rubbed into their eyes,

or other parts of the body which will hurt them.

Very often accused by, almost entirely accused by members

of their own family, which is damaging in itself.

It's a terrible thing for a child to be seriously accused

And mothers will accuse their own children which is something

Just how concerned are you about this kind of abuse happening?

Terrible things happen, and in Africa even worse things,

because children may be thrown into the streets

This doesn't happen here, but children may be neglected

The extended family of mum and dad, have a belief system that the victim

in this case was actually spiritually possessed...

So what is it like for social workers dealing with

I've been given exclusive access to Tower Hamlets African Children

Today they are discussing a recent case involving a six-year-old girl,

whose family believe she was a witch.

The cases are on the increase because as I said, when one

case gets highlighted, people's eyes are opened.

It's not an issue, in my view, that we can sit back and say

is going to go away, it's not going to go away.

Most primary schools would be unfamiliar with a lot

of the spiritual elements with which this child is confronted.

So I think our priority from this meeting has to be that someone

with expertise in these matters contacts the school

I don't think the majority of parents are aware

I think most of the parents are looking for answers,

in addressing the needs of these children that are presenting

problems to them that they can't handle.

And there are some parents, their way of dealing with it is just

removing the child out of this country.

The six-year-old in this family, what is life like for her,

We have to think about the system, and in this case the system is

How can a family demonise a child to a point that they say

I have seen the impact witchcraft can have on children.

Mardoche was the only person willing to talk to me on camera,

because so many are afraid and are suffering in silence.

So many kids are losing their lives because they are not

I was very lucky to be strong enough to survive it.

But there are so many questions that need answering.

Why are children being abused because of traditional faith

What can be done to stop it happening?

Professor Jean La Fontaine believes not enough is being done

to tackle the problem, and is now calling for a helpline

I would like to enable children to report it themselves.

A well funded helpline, which they could access

easily and for free, would enable children to report

somebody who had accused them of witchcraft and

At the moment they are completely silenced, and until the damage done

to them is very serious, nobody knows they're being accused.

So I would like to empower children to tell us.

And just after 10am, we'll be speak to someone who says

she was branded a witch and abused as a child as well as

an organisation supporting victims of witchcraft accusations.

Warnings over rising instances of violence,

We'll be asking what needs to be done to keep prisoners safe.

It has been their greatest season ever.

We'll bring you the story of Leicester City's incredible

Premier League success told through the eyes of two

of their biggest supporters in the fans' diary.

It is time for the latest news headlines. Here is Joanna.

Migrant arrivals to Greece have dropped to a trickle

because of the deal between the EU and Turkey which discourages asylum

But tens of thousands of people are still stranded in Greece hoping

to get to other parts of the continent.

The Greek administration has said it needs other EU governments to help.

A full inquiry into how a fake bomb used in a training exercise came

to be left at Manchester United's stadium is being demanded

by the city's mayor and Police and Crime Commissioner.

Tens of thousands of fans had to be evacuated from Old Trafford

yesterday, shortly before United's game against Bournemouth.

Child welfare experts are warning about children being subjected to

horrific treatment because their families believe they are witches.

Children are exorcised in order to dispel what their parents believe

are evil spirits. Last year the Metropolitan Police

dealt with 60 cases an increase of over 50% compared with three years

earlier. There are fears cases involving witchcraft are not being

recorded properly. Anything goes wrong in that family,

I was the responsibility for it. So it wasn't anything about, like,

genuine life problems. There's a warning that safety

in prisons in England and Wales has deteriorated rapidly

in the past year. MPs say they're concerned

about a soaring rise in suicides, attacks on staff, and serious

assaults in the last 12 months. The Justice Committee said that

improvement was urgently needed. Ministers say that

improvements are being made. University tuition fees in England

are likely to rise for students Under plans expected to be revealed

by the Government today, universities will face greater

scrutiny of the quality It will also become easier

to open new universities. But Labour has warned there aren't

enough controls to stop too Natalie Bennett is to step down

as the leader of the Green Party. She has announced she won't stand

for re-election after her second two-year spell comes

to an end in August. The Australian former journalist

told The Guardian newspaper that she got some things wrong

because she isn't what she calls a smooth, spin-trained,

lifelong politician. That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. More Natalie Bennett in a moment.

First the messages from you on the witchcraft film. Stewart says all

this nonsense in the name of religion. This is the 21st century.

We have a new religion now and it is called science. Red Queen tweets

this. Accusing children of being witches or possessed by demons

should be a criminal offence. That will come up in our conversation

later. Peter said the piece on witchcraft is really interesting.

Robert says, rest of the deluded pastors and let them feel the full

weight of the law. -- arrest. And Maria is an England fan. Roy Hodgson

is announcing his squad live at 11 o'clock and BBC News will show it

first. She says she wouldn't take Wayne Rooney but she would take

Marcus Rashford. What does Jessica think? Can you hear me? Would you

take Wayne Rooney and would you take Marcus Rashford? That is the

question. Marcus Rashford has done very well for himself. Nobody

expected him to do as well as he has done but is he ready for a major

tournament when he is so young? I don't know. He is 18. He is a

grown-up! Wayne Rooney is the captain of England and can you

really leave him behind? No. And you probably wouldn't want to if you

were a proper England supporter. Take it away, Jessica. The record

books have been written in Formula One by Max Verstappen, the youngest

driver to win a Grand Prix aged 18 years and 228 days. He started the

Grand Prix in Spain in fourth but took advantage after this crash

between Mercedes team-mates Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton on the

opening lap. Even more remarkable, it was Max Verstappen's debut race

for Red Bull after only being promoted to the team last month. It

feels amazing. I can't believe it. It was a great race and I have to

say thank you to the team for giving me such a great car. To win

straightaway in the first race is an amazing feeling. You heard about the

events at Old Trafford earlier, which overshadowed the fact that it

was the final day of the Premier League season. Manchester City all

but secured their spot in the Champions League next season with a

1-1 draw at Swansea City. 19-year-old Kelly Iheanacho gave

City the lead after just five minutes but Andre Ayew's deflected

free kick levelled the game just before half-time. City couldn't find

a winner but will finish fourth unless Manchester United beat

Bournemouth by 19 goals on Tuesday. Newcastle fans gave manager Rafael

Benitez a standing ovation after thrashing Tottenham Hotspur 5-1.

Three of the Newcastle goals that St James' Park came after striker

Alexander Mitchell of it had been sent off in the second half. Rafa

Benitez has a break clause in his contract but hasn't decided his

future yet. Tottenham Hotspur's defeat meant Arsenal finished second

in the league for the first time since 2005 and ahead of their north

London rivals. Olivier Giroud scored a hat-trick in a 4-0 win over

relegated Aston Villa. The fact that we didn't give up when we were under

huge pressure, we kept our togetherness, but that is part of

the DNA of this club. We did that until the last minute of the season.

That is why we are in front of them. It was Celtic manager Ronny Deila's

last game in charge. Celtic beat Motherwell 7-0 in the Scottish

Premiership and 16-year-old substitute Jack Atchison became

Celtic's youngest ever player and goal-scorer, its glory with his

first touch. It is Celtic's fifth title in a row. A week before the

French Open and on his 29th birthday, Andy Murray chalked up a

notable victory over his rival Novak Djokovic at the Rome Masters. And it

was thrilling. Watch this. The first time Andy Murray has beaten Novak

Djokovic in their last 14 meetings. Bring on the French Open. World

number one Serena Williams claimed the women's title in Rome, beating

compatriot Madison Keys in straight sets for her first tournament win in

nine months. Tom Daley secured the third individual ten metre European

Championships gold of his career with a stunning performance at the

Aquatics championships in London. His medal adds to the mixed three

metres synchronised gold and men's ten metres synchronised silver he

won in the past week. Yesterday there was silver medals for Rebecca

Gallantree and Alysia blag in the synchronised three metres

springboard. -- Alicia Blagg we will have the headlines for you at ten

o'clock. Thank you. What is happening? It is all happening here.

Our studio died. OK, thank you. As we've been hearing in the news,

Natalie Bennett is stepping down Our political guru Norman Smith

is in Westminster for us. She has had some successes. They had

their best ever election result last time and they have many more party

members and they have got MEPs, but it didn't really happen for her.

When we were preparing this item, I said to my colleague that we had to

get some material together on Natalie Brown. Of course that is not

her name. That tells us two things. Firstly that I have a shocking

memory, but also that he did not really carve out much of a profile.

When you are the leader of a smaller party, you have got to shout from

the rooftops. Somebody likes Nigel Farage, he gets himself on the news.

She never really managed that and she also suffered from former

leaders syndrome. Her predecessor Caroline Lucas was very savvy and

she knew how to get the Green Party into the headlines and she was

always compared and contrasted with that. Above all, she was a bit of an

awkward camel then it came to media interviews. She just looked awkward

and unhappy, as if she would always rather be anywhere but there. And

just look at these interviews that we have picked. Some of her rather

dismal car crashes. What we are looking at in terms of the figures

here, what we need to do, is actually... We are looking at a

total spend of 2.7 billion. But what is the total cost of 500,000 homes?

It is a cost of 60,000 per home. How are you going to pay for the land?

Right. What we are looking at doing is basically... Are you all right?

Sorry. As you can probably hear, I have got a terrible cold. I am very

sorry to hear that. It was excruciating to hear that

interview. Is she letting the party down? She is not going to answer

that! No! One of your flagship policies is for the states to give

every adult basic weekly income of ?72, the so-called citizen's income,

whether they need it or not, at a cost of up to ?280 billion. How

would you pay for that? First of all it is with saying that is a gross

cost, so half the cost of that would come from replacing existing

benefits of reducing administration costs. Give me an example of what

benefit it would replace. Jobseeker's allowance. What does

that save? Hold on. Jobseeker's allowance only costs 3 billion, so

you are a long way off 280. But it costs a massive amount to

administer. The cost of administration is extremely low with

this one. If you look at universal child benefit... Wait, wait, wait.

Ed Miliband... Ed Miliband... All right. You have made the point. I

think Natalie wanted to reply. Natalie, briefly. I think it was

probably by turn. Gosh, was that only one year ago? Carnage. Let me

ask you about something totally different. In America, presidential

frontrunner Donald Trump is having a go at the London Mayor, Sadiq Khan.

What has it got to do with him? Donald has spoken, not just about

Sadiq Khan but also about David Cameron, who described his idea of

banning all Muslim is from going into the USA as divisive and wrong.

He said of David Cameron that they are not going to have good relations

if he becomes President. He has also reiterated his support for Brexit,

for leaving the European Union. But Mr Khan, when that row blew up,

because he would be banned from going to the US Donald Trump became

President, and at the time Mr Khan said his comments were ignorant and

likely to fuel extremism. He also said they were ignorant. Now Donald

Trump has hit back by challenging Mr Khan to an IQ test. Take a look. I

wished him well but now I don't care about him. It doesn't make any

difference. Let's see how he does. Let's see if he is a good man. Are

you offended by what he said? Yes, because he has never met me. They

are very rude statements and tell him I will remember those

statements. They are very nasty statements. We did not see him

challenging him to an IQ test but Mr Khan said they will not be picking

up a pen and pencil to do an IQ test. I don't think this Cameron's

people are bothered about being criticised by Donald Trump. They say

it look at all the guys supporting us in EU referendum debate. Mark

Carney, Christine Lagarde, pretty much every other western leader. In

that they got? Donald Trump! Said they are not that bothered about Mr

Trump having a go at Prime Minister. Thank you.

Coming up in the next 15 minutes, the Foxes fans have been

We'll bring you the story of Leicester City's incredible

Premier League success told through the eyes of two

How safe is it to be locked up in or work in one

Suicide is at its highest level for a decade.

There were 20,000 assaults last year, and 5000 attacks on staff.

Today, a parliamentary report warns the rising levels of violence,

self-harm and suicide threaten to severely undermine

We thought we'd ask people with experience

and knowledge of the system, if they were starting from scratch,

how would they design a prison system now?

Fit for purpose, fit for the 21st century.

John Attard is a national officer for the Prison Governors

Association and one of the governors at Holloway Prison.

And Kelly Judge has been in an out of prison on drugs charges

I think your most recent spell was for just under two weeks back in

March. Is that right? Yes. Thank you for coming on the programme. You

have seen a lot of violence and self harm in jails. Tell the audience

about that. On a day-to-day basis it can change from quite a smooth

running atmosphere to a very volatile and violent atmosphere. It

could be for a number of reasons. Drugs. Interaction with an officer.

Someone doesn't feel they are being listened to maybe. Said they lash

out towards a member of staff? It depends. On a day-to-day basis you

have a lot of people in a confined environment. Feelings and actions

are fraught. If a prisoner feels they need something and they are not

getting it, then they are going to go to any lengths to try and get it.

You have also seen incidents of self harm, haven't you? Yes, I was

sharing a cell with another female and I came back from a course one

day and she was sitting in the cell with her arm up on the window ledge,

and her coat on, which was kind of strange. I asked why she had her

coat on and why her arm was up there and he took off her coat and her arm

was wrapped in toilet roll. -- she took off her coat. Blood was seeping

through the toilet roll and down the window. It was my feeling to get on

the bus immediately and the officer came to the door. I remember them

opening the hatch to the door and looking through and saying what's

up? I said this feels like an incident that I can't really tell

you about through a door. I need you to open up and look at what is going

on. I had the prisoner screaming in my ear, don't tell the officers.

They get put on report. There were razor blades that she had hidden in

the cell. So she cut her arm with a razor

blade? I said there is something in here that she is not telling me

about that she doing this with. There is a protocol when you get a

razor blade out in prison that you hand in your ID card and they give

you your razor blade and they show them the blade in the plastic

hold-all and you put it in a yellow bin. Why had she done that to

herself, do you know? Because she was locked away in her cell. Right.

It is because people can't cope with the environment... They are in,

yeah. You mentioned drugs. You've used heroin in jail, haven't you?

Yeah. Naive as I may sound, I'm shocked that you can get heroin

inside a prison amongst, a number of drugs, it is not just heroin, is it,

how does it get in? There is a number of ways. I think people new

in, like coming through, take it in with them, if they know they're

going to court and they know there is a chance they're going to prison,

they will try and get it in that way. Visits. Is everyone not

searched? They are. Right. But there is ways and means that people find

because they are that desperate to use in jail. And obviously people

taking drugs inside will add to that unpredictable atmosphere which can

lead to violence and all of rest of it? The nature of the prison if they

know one person has got a substance and the girls that want the

substance is outnumbered by the drugs going in, there is fraught

atmosphere. John, you've worked in prisons for nearly three decades, I

think, including places like Pentonville and you are at Holloway

at the moment. Before I ask you why you think the levels of violence are

so high, why should people care if inmates harm themselves or take

drugs in jail. Some might think, that's what happens. If you commit a

crime, that's the kind of thing you will end up doing in jail? It is a

god question. Most people, all of us, don't want to be victims of

crime. And when we are, the expectation is that the State will

do something about that and they will punish the offender. The actual

punishment is losing your liberty, it is going into prison. I think it

would be a pretty poor reflection on us as a society if when they are in

prison we weren't trying to do something to stop them committing

offences again so when somebody comes back out of prison they are

actually less likely to commit offences so we have fewer victims.

It is about being civilised and treat people in a civilised manner

and to stop them re-offending when they leave? Absolutely. I know you

will tell me the rising levels of violence are to do with fewer prison

staff and that's true. On the whole of the prison estate, staff employed

has fallen by 29% in the last few years, that's 13,000 fewer staff.

That's the total in terms of the number of staff. Is it as simple as

about the number of prison officers? Most people will assume that an

organisation, if it is losing staff, will use that as a simple excuse to

explain away things. Prisons are complex organisations and the hub,

the heart of that organisation, are the people. If you have got fewer

people then you can't do some of the most simple things. Like? For

example unlocking a prisoner to take them to education. Unlocking a

prisoner to take them to their rehab courses, unlocking a prisoner to

take them to healthcare, but it goes further than that because Kelly will

tell you that one of the most important things in a prison is

staff and prisoner relationships and if a prisoner is in need and they

want to speak to somebody, for five or ten minutes or 15 minutes or

however long it takes, then that officer has got to be available to

do that. Because the levels have dropped so much, the last three or

four years, we have lost 13730 staff in total. If you can't have those

interactions then we're not going to be able to do the simplest of things

like keep people safe and then it goes further as well. The frequency

of cell searches reduces. People might say, oh, surely they are safe

and strong buildings, but they are. And the cell search looks at the

property in the cell, was there evidence that somebody was bullying

and you would see the number of goods they had in their cell. If

someone had a lot of stuff, you would think they might have been

dealing in drugs which is important for us and we put intelligence

reports in and the security department would deal with that.

Security departments are smaller, we have less searching going on and

there are fewer staff. That all seems it make sense. If you were

given a blank sheet of paper and you could design from scratch the prison

system in England and Wales, what would you do differently, Kelly? Oh,

I have been thinking about this since I was asked the question last

night and it is a difficult question because it is such a wide spectrum,

but the support and the treatment for the vulnerability and

recognising people's needs as individuals. I was saying... That's

an acknowledgemed of inmates' needs and also more staff? Maybe more

staff. Or more compassionate staff? It is the field they're in. It is

not just prison officers. Prison officers are there to do a job and

lock up, but there is also other staff that need to be there that are

compassionate with drug addiction. Self-harming, family abuse, all the

different circumstances that lead to people being in prison in the first

place. What about you, John? What would you say if I gave you a blank

sheet of paper and you could do whatever you wanted with the prison

system in England and Wales, where would you start? I wouldn't chuck

the baby out of the bath water. The Prison Service has been around for a

long time. We got very good. It is only in the fast four years that we

have seen this incredible increase in violence, suicides and self-harm,

etcetera, we need to get back to doing the basics. Create an

environment that's safe and decent. A lot of what's happened now is

because governors have lost their autonomy. Governors can't make

decisions about who they contract with for supply of good and for

education... That comes from the Ministry of Justice, does it now? It

is centrally controlled and we are in a ridiculous situation where we

have a dictated benchmark which says how many staff you have, what grade

they must be, what jobs they must do and actually, prisons are different.

So to enforce a model for one prison and say that has to apply for all

prisons is not logical. So you would go for more staff and you would go

for more independence for the governors? Indeed. Thank you very

much. Thank you for coming on the programme. Thank you.

Who will be in Roy Hodgson's provisional England

Will there be room for Manchester United's star

We'll bring you the latest just before 11am.

Premier League champions Leicester City closed

their victorious season with a 1-1 draw at Chelsea.

They finished 10 points ahead of the chasing pack.

Tonight Claudio Ranieri's team will celebrate their remarkable

season with a celebratory open top bus parade through the city.

We've been following two Leicester fans as their dreams came true

and their team beat the odds to do what no one thought possible.

Here is the story of the last couple of weeks through the eyes of lovely

Sandra Fixter and lovely Gary L Johnson.

The "L" stands for Leicester. Seriously, it does!

We've just won the Premier League. The city is absolutely buzzing!

SINGING: Championes, Championes, Ole, ole, ole.

We even have a few people dressed up as pizzas,

which is obviously our link to Claudio Ranieri, who said

at the start of the season that he would buy all the players

Well that seems a very, very long time ago now.

It's carnival atmosphere. There's Ranieri, walking backwards.

Championes, championes, ole, ole, ole!

COMMENTATOR: Leicester City are the Premier League Champions.

Leicester City are the Premier League Champions!

It's the most amazing thing ever, something you would probably never

dream as a Leicester fan of ever, ever saying, and we've just seen

Wes Morgan, Leicester City club captain raising

The game is brilliant, we played ever so well.

We didn't give up, and we took the game to them.

We're just waiting now to go to Chelsea.

We are a couple of minutes away from us leaving the stadium,

and see our team get a guard of honour against

There's no pressure, we're going down there to play it

and I just have one hope, that Jamie Vardy scores a bag full,

because we want him to get the Golden Boot as well.

CHANTING: We're all going on the European Tour!

This is our Leicester City family that we've been travelling

with for the whole season, and the driver's here as well.

But we've been travelling all season long and we will be

Whatever happens we will be travelling the whole seaon -

to Europe, to the Charity Community Shield, to every home

and away game next season, we will all be here,

being ready to be champions again next season.

All we could do was hope and dream, and the dreame is just getting

bigger and bigger and more fraught, and it culminates in what has been

the most fantastic season for a Leicester City supporter that

I've ever known in 53 years of going down to support them.

It's the stuff dreams are made of, thank you.

Thank you very much, Sandra. Thank you very much, Gary.

Maybe we will do it all again next season, who knows?

We will speak to a woman who was at the age of six was accused of being

a witch. She endured horrific abuse as they attempted to rid her of

so-called evil spirits. Now, it is time for the weather. Thank you very

much, Victoria. We had high pressure dominating the scene. Lots of

sunshine by day and it was chilly at night with a touch of frost in many

rural places. We have had loads of lovely Weather Watcher pictures

coming in. This one as well in Cornwall. More in the way of cloud

as you can see here. Some areas started off with cloud, mist and fog

too. For Northern Ireland, we a had a lot of cloud around, but that's

breaking up now and you can see from the satellite picture just what's

going on and where most of the cloud is. Northern Ireland, across

Scotland, which is also starting to break up now, little patches of

cloud across England and Wales also breaking up too. But a good deal of

sunshine around. That's how it will stay towards the afternoon with just

some cloud bubbling up like we have seen over the last few days and it

will feel a touch warmer across-the-board than it has done

over the weekend. That said, the cloud will continue to be thick

enough for the odd spot of light rain across the Hebrides and the

Highlands, but further north and Northern Ireland seeing good, sunny

spells and in the warmest spots we could make 15 to 17 Celsius. The

best of the sunshine continuing to be for England and Wales with South

Wales in towards central and southern areas in the south-east

seeing probably the highest temperatures, 19 or 20 Celsius and

winds will be light, but cooler than that and the cloud. This evening and

overnight it stays dry for most areas. You would be unlucky if you

catch a light shower. Further south again, we could see a

touch of frost in the Midlands and parts of central Wales under dry

skies. Tuesday there, is where we start to see a change. Our area of

high pressure that's we have had over the weekend gets squeezed away.

This area of low pressure takes its place, but that said, for much of

England and Wales, Eastern Scotland, it will be another fine day, I

think, with good sunny spells and feeling warm again, but for Northern

Ireland, for Western Scotland, turning wetter and windier and the

rain pushing towards western Britain later on in the day. Temperatures

mid-teens Celsius in the north and 17 to 20 Celsius across the South

East. Wednesday we have an area of low pressure on top of us. It looks

cloudy and messy. For England and Wales we could see a spell of heavy

and thundery rain. There will be sunshine and showers and some could

be heavy. Winds gusty as well across the South Coast, but a mild feel to

things, 14 Celsius to 16 Celsius. So it becomes more unsettled as the

week continues. Certainly after Tuesday with spells of rain, some of

it heavy, windy at times too, but the days will be mild and gardeners

will be happy to know at night it will be turning milder SWthat's your

latest weather. It is land, it is ten o'clock. -- it

is Monday. Welcome to the programme

if you've just joined us. Coming up before 11am: Children

as young as six are being called witches by their own families

and enduring exorcisms to dispel We will hear from victims

who were subjected Anything that goes wrong in that

family, I was the responsibility for it. It wasn't just a general life

problem. It was based on I am doing it.

Why so many people who suspect they have dementia are put off

from seeing their GP because a diagnosis will mean

We will hear from one mother who was terrified of the diagnosis.

Will there be European success for Roy Hodgson's men in France?

He'll announce his provisional Euro squad in about an hour's time.

We'll bring you the latest live from Wembley.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

Migrant arrivals to Greece have dropped to a trickle,

because of the deal between the EU and Turkey which discourages asylum

But tens of thousands of people are still stranded in Greece

hoping to get to other parts of the continent.

Our correspondent Yogita Limaye is on the Greek-Macedonian border.

The government has said that they will have facilities ready for about

11,000 people, which should take pretty much all of the population

here. That should be ready in a few weeks. However, that is not a

permanent solution. It is a temporary one. Most of these people

don't want to stay in Greece. They want to go to other countries in

Europe. I asked a spokesman for the Greek government what the plan was

and he says the EU has pledged to relocate 66,000 people that are in

Greece, but it is a process that is taking a very long time.

A full inquiry into how a fake bomb used in a training exercise came

to be left at Manchester United's stadium is being demanded

by the city's Mayor and Police and Crime Commissioner.

Tens of thousands of fans had to be evacuated from Old Trafford

yesterday, shortly before United's game against Bournemouth.

There's a warning that safety in prisons in England and Wales has

deteriorated rapidly in the past year.

MPs say they're concerned about a soaring rise in suicides,

attacks on staff, and serious assaults in the last 12 months.

The Justice Committee said that improvement was urgently needed.

Ministers say that improvements are being made.

One former prisoner told this programme that serious and violent

situations can arise very quickly. It can change from quite a smooth

running atmosphere to a very volatile and violent atmosphere. It

could be for a number of reasons. Drugs. Interaction with an officer.

Someone doesn't feel they are being listened to maybe.

Donald Trump has said he doesn't expect to have a good relationship

with David Cameron if he becomes President of the United States.

In December, Mr Cameron called Mr Trump divisive,

stupid, and wrong for saying he'd put a temporary ban

Mr Trump said he would remember what was said.

Natalie Bennett is to step down as the leader of the Green Party.

She has announced she won't stand for re-election after her second

two-year spell comes to an end in August.

The Australian former journalist told The Guardian newspaper

that she got some things wrong because she isn't what she calls

a smooth, spin-trained, lifelong politician.

Dame Helen Mirren, Kylie Minogue, and Ant and Dec have joined forces

to help celebrate the Queen's 90th birthday in a pageant

Her Majesty arrived for the celebration

in the Diamond Jubilee State Coach with the Duke of Edinburgh.

She was met by the Prince of Wales before taking her seat for the show.

Nearly a thousand military and civilian horses,

some from as far away as Azerbaijan, featured with some performing stunts

while another carried a happy birthday banner.

I don't know how it carried it but it did! Presumably in its mouth?

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

Thank you. Sport in just a moment but here are some of your comments

on our exclusive film on witchcraft in the UK this morning. Children as

young as six being accused of being witches by their own parents and

then being subjected to horrific abuse. Tim tweets this. That proves

the ignorance of religion. These faith leaders are egocentric

bullies. The pastors are abusers, dangerous religious extremists that

should be deported from the UK to protect vulnerable people. What I

find spectacularly disturbing was that by day this man was a

practising pharmacist, a respected profession, and by night somebody

judgmental and potentially abusing children. This is not in the name of

religion. An email from Sally. I am transgender and aged 42. In 1999I

underwent an exorcism at the hands of the Pentecostal church because

they believed my body was being inhabited by a female demon. While

it was all talk, this could seriously have caused me a lot of

mental harm. And a tweet from Mark. This item on witchcraft affecting

children have to get a much more raised profile among the media.

Thank you for those. Keep them coming in.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning.

Use the hashtag VictoriaLive and if you text, you will be charged

James on the England squad, and England supporter. Wayne Rooney is

the hardest working player and if you just want prima donnas, leave

him at home. And Marcus Rashford is under 21 and we have a side for

under 21s for him. This morning, Jessica.

The record books have been rewritten in Formula One

He's become the youngest driver to win a Grand Prix,

Verstappen started the race at the Spanish Grand Prix in fourth

but took advantage after this crash between Mercedes teammates

Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg on the opening lap.

Even more remarkable, it was Verstappen's debut race

for Red Bull after only being promoted to

It feels amazing. I can't believe it. It was a great race. I have to

say thank you to the team for giving me such a great car. To win

straightaway in the first race, amazing feeling. Exciting times for

Max Verstappen and his dad, who we just saw. I feel like this will be

the first of many podium finishes for the driver. Here is a bit more

about him. A week before the French Open,

and on his 29th birthday, Andy Murray chalked up a big win

over his rival Novak Djokovic The first time Murray has beaten

Djokovic in their past 14 meetings. World Number One Serena Williams

is back to winning ways. She secured the women's

title in Rome. She beat compatriot Madison Keys

in straight sets for her first individual 10m European championship

gold of his career with a stunning performance at the Aquatics

Championships in London. His medal adds to the mixed 3m

synchronised gold and men's 10m synchro silver he won

in the past week. Yesterday there also

were silver medals for Rebecca Gallantree and Alicia Blagg

in the synchronised 3m springboard. Plenty of football over the next

hour with the England squad being announced this morning but I will

see you later for the headlines. Thank you. Good morning.

It seems extraordinary that anyone in this country...

Sorry, please bear with me while we wait for that. It seems

extraordinary that anybody in this country could believe in witchcraft

but some do. Not only that,

they on occasion accuse their own Yes, kids really

are being exorcised. Experts say it's abuse and say

they fear children in the UK are being subjected to horrific

treatment during exorcisms, like having chilli rubbed

into their eyes or genitals, and sometimes it can

end in a child's death. Last year the Metropolitan Police

dealt with 60 cases, an increase of over 50% compared

with 3 years earlier. In a moment we'll talk live

to a woman who as a little girl was accused of being a witch

by her wider family. First our reporter Noel Philips

is the first journalist to be given exclusive access to social workers

in Tower Hamlets in London as they discuss the case of one 6

year old girl whose parents believed His film contains some

disturbing images and lasts I give you order,

in the name of Jesus. This is Doctor Charles Motondo

in South Africa, carrying out A deliverance ceremony on a young

girl he believes is a witch. He runs the Grace Faith Ministries

in Leeds, and travels The extended family of both mum

and dad have a belief system that the victim in this case

was actually spiritually It's a practice which according

to social workers here in Tower Hamlets is now common

in certain communities The cases are on the increase,

because, as I said, when one case is highlighted,

people's eyes are opened. It is not an issue, in my view,

that we can sit back and say When he was just eight Mardoche

claims he was accused He came to London from the Congo

to live with his extended family. He says they accused him of eating

human flesh and killing his own mum, In that time, anything goes wrong

in that family, I was Like, just general life,

but it was based on me doing it. Mardoche, who is now 24,

says his extended family made plans to send him back to the Congo

for an exorcism in 2005, as it was the only way

they thought he could be cured, but his school alerted social

workers at Islington Council, who he claims were considering going

along with their wishes. I want to know how my life

would be now, I don't know. I don't think I would be here,

but I don't know, to be honest. But the idea that they were

actually considering it... Islington Council told us social

workers acted swiftly to remove Mardoche from his extended family,

and would never support a child being sent for a deliverance

ceremony of this kind. According to this expert,

who recently studied more than 30 cases involving witchcraft reported

to the Metropolitan Police, not enough is being done

to tackle the problems. I would like to enable children

to report it themselves. A well-funded helpline,

which they could access The Government say it's unacceptable

and no belief system can justify the abuse of a child,

but campaigners insist more needs to be done to tackle the problem

before it becomes more widespread. If you want to share that film,

please go to our programme page. She was branded a witch

and abused as a child. Also here, Yasmin Rehman,

formerly in the Metropolitan Police and now

a human rights activist. And Oladapo Awosokanre,

from the charity Africans United Against Child Abuse that supports

victims of witchcraft accusations. Welcome to all of you and thank you

for coming on the programme. Kevani, tell me what happened to you as a

six-year-old. I was accused of being a wit and this stemmed from me

wetting my bed. I was branded as a witch and tutor that there was a lot

of child abuse involved in that. -- due to that. The difference between

me and a lot of the cases we have heard about that recently, there was

not much around deliverance is, it was more about branding children and

accusing them of witchcraft. Now there has been a big shift where

more churches are involved that are apparently delivering these children

from evil possession. You think it is a sham. It is a

sham. I go to church. I have two children and I don't have an issue

with people's belief, my issue is, according to the Bible, there is no

were in the Bible where it says in order to deliver somebody of

spiritual possession you have to put pepper or ginger or horrific

substances in their eyes or in certain other areas that, you know,

you couldn't imagine. What happened to just laying your hands on

somebody and just praying for them? When did it become somebody's job to

decide that all children were witches. When I was younger from

what I remember, it was the older generation, when you were old and

you were frail and you had grey hair, you were seen as a witch.

Whereas now, it has shifted from the older generation to specifically

children. You mentioned pepper being rubbed

into eyes and other parts of your body, is that something that

happened to you? It is something that happened to me. It is horrific

and it is horrendous and it shouldn't be allowed. Accusing any

child of being a witch is nonsense and attempt to go deliver them

through usage whether it is pepper or starvation is abuse. Was food

withdrawn from you? Yes, it was withdrawn. I remember all I could

take was two slices of bred and they would mark it where the last slice

was taken. In the night-time if I felt hungry and went and got another

one, I would be beaten in the morning because they would know I

took that extra slice of bread. And actions like that, once again, was

you're a witch, but I was just a child who was starving and was

deprived of basic food. I think a lot needs to be done to stop all

what is going on. I mean, I know that the Metropolitan Police have

got project Vio let, things are moving more than what they were

when, you know, when I was branded a witch. I had an incident where the

police were called and I was sent right back home. When I tried to

explain to the officers what was happening, I think, they couldn't

accept that anybody could do such a sing to a child so therefore, I was

handed right back to the people who claimed to be, you know related to

me and there weren't. Let me bring from Yasmin. You are a former

metropolitan officer. In terms of the police, there wouldn't be any

cultural sensitivities about getting involved when a child is clearly

being abused or neglected? I wasn't a police officer. I was a member of

civil staff and I was engaged with Project Vio let. We are talking

about children, but there are also adults who are getting involved in

different contexts as victims too. I think the Criminal Justice System

can only go so far. This has to be a multi-fas FA setted response. It has

got to involve service providers from a range of backgrounds. There

has been guidance and training for police officers, but I think we have

got to accept that services are challenged. We have got a constantly

changing demographics and new issues coming to the fore and police

officers, social workers, teachers, etcetera have got to be ahead of the

curve in order to try and... Your charity trains and works with social

workers, teachers, other professionals. What practical

skills, do they need any other practical skills apart from the ones

they will have in order to spot children who are being accused of

being a witch and being abused? Yes, there is a need for them to have

specialist training. That's why we have special training. We give to

practitioners. What does it involve? Witchcraft and also training for

practitioners in understanding African families and how to

intervene and when to inver convenient. Isn't it obvious when to

intervene when the child is being starved or abused in the way that

was explained? Often times seen within the narrow categories of

abuse which is emotional or physical abuse. However, there is a need for

them to understand the cultural aspect of this and also what

witchcraft means and how it is done for them to be able to investigate

further to know what exactly is the issue with the child. Just not

leaving it at the level of emotional or physical abuse. Do you agree that

professionals need to be trained in what witchcraft is? At the moment we

have lack of understanding where it stems from and I think you hit it on

the nail that within certain departments, there is still that

fear we don't want it to come across as if we are specifically picking on

certain communities or certain religious beliefs and it shouldn't

be like that. If a child is being abused regardless of their colour or

gender, the first thing, it is a child protection issue and it is

about safeguarding that child regardless of the culture they come

from. Why do professionals need training about witchcraft? Because

it will help them, you think, identify children at risk? Yes. The

general training practitioners have just gives them a general view, but

they need towned stand the specifics, how abuse is perpetrated

and how victims could be identified easily. I want to ask all of you,

female again tale mutilation is against the law. There is a law that

criminal isz it. Would it be wise to do the same with witchcraft? Yes. We

have been advocating for a number of years now. There is a national

working group on abuse relate to go faith and belief which had an action

plan. However, it has its own specific category. We shouldn't just

put it within the normal abuse category. You would like to see

legislation, would you? I would like to see legislation. The difference

is people forget child abuse, there is different forms of abuse and

accusing a child of witchcraft is a different type of abuse. OK. So

actually... It is very much... Forget the abuse which there is

legislation which prohibits that obviously which is a criminal

offence, but accusing a child of witchcraft should be a criminal

offence? Yes. Having the child, if you were a child and every day I

told you that you were a witch, that's psychological abuse and

unfortunately, at the moment, there is no enough being done to help

survivors. So one of the things that I have been campaigning and I'm

starting a project doing, where we can help survivors in and out of

care. We speak about training and frontline staff, but no one speaks

about the survivors, what support is put in place to support them and

what justice they can get? At the moment, there is very, very little

cases where people have been brought to justice for abusing children or

even pastors, so something has to be done. Yes, I want to ask you about

pastors and Faith Leaders in a second. Yasmin, you were hesitant

when I said should there be legislation crim nationalingising

witchcraft or accusing somebody being a witch, why? We have seen a

rush to legislate for everything and there maybe a place for some

legislation, but I think labelling children as a witch is one

manifestation of spirits. You have got community members who are

witnessing things. You have got a lot happening behind closed doors.

There has been a lot of work done on this. A Stobbart Report going back

to 2006... Why don't you think it should be criminalised? There was a

load of recommendations including having a helpline and working with

survivors to whaer what it is that survivors think would help and I

have not heard anyone say legislation would help. Apart from

this young woman here? My work is with south Asians and people of

Middle Eastern origin and North African origin. What they are saying

to me is better understanding of some of the issues so when they come

forward and say I am being told I am being possessed or someone cast an

evil eye on me and this is why I have this illness or behaving in

this way, that there is an understanding and you are not told

it is ridiculous and to go away. But if there was legislation... We have

had legislation for FGM and we are still awaiting a conviction. The

criminal outcome arresting the pastors isn't the end of T there is

ongoing support for survivors and their families. We have to get into

the communities and work within them. Which kind of communities are

we talking about? We are talking about all communities. Not all

communities, are we? There is the African community and the Muslim

community and the 1.6 billion Muslims. The church of England has

exorcists in every diocese. Looking at the roles that religion play in

term of working with vulnerable people, and where that can spill

over into exploitation and to serious criminal offences, whether

it is exploiting people for money or culminating in murder which it sadly

does. I still think we should put a legislation out simply because there

has to be an example and at the moment, it is widely done. You can

walk down certain streets and go to certain churches and you can hear

the pastor preaching about a child or somebody is a witch, that's why

your life is not going correct until they realise that we are serious

about this, it is not going to stopl. Anybody can go and open up a

church. There is nothing that protects the children who attend the

churches to make sure that regardless of what you're preaching,

there is no deliverance happening that is abusive to these children

and as I've said, I do believe, we should start legislations and I

think more projects need to be put out there to ensure that survivors

are supported and communities are supported and teachers, social

workers, lawyers, immigration, frontline staff need to have a

better understanding because they are the people who work with these

children on a regular, I think one of the biggest upsets for me is

there was so many opportunities for people to save me, but because there

was a lack of understanding and a lack of knowledge, I slipped through

the net and that's what is happening on a day-to-day basis. What happened

to you? The fact that people got away with what they got away with

and the fact that the school wasn't sure how to go about it and at that

time, children themselves had very little voice than what they have

now. So I do believe that everybody from doctors, to schools, teachers,

and children should be taught at school that actually branding

children or branding anybody in a negative way is wrong.

I mentioned the that the Metropolitan Police last year had

dealt with 60 cases. It is a very small number of cases when you

compare it to other things, but the number of cases has gone up from

2013/2014, I'm just trying to get a sense of how much of a problem it is

in Britain. It is a huge problem. Is it huge? It is a huge problem. It is

just that it is under cover. We haven't even scratched the surface

of the issue when it comes to branding... It is a considerable

number and it is growing. Apart from the issue of legislation, we believe

there is need to work with communities and work with Faith

Leaders and that's what we have been doing over the years. We have been

able to go into the community and train a lot of Faith Leaders, I

trained 5,000 and also trained 1,000 practitioners for them to be able

towned stand what this type of abuse is for them to know what to do and

how to report and also I have helped victims of such abuse. If you pick

up a copy of the Moattry which is free, there are classifieds for

various faith healers who in return for money will help you find work

and help you solve your marriage problems. We have channels beamed

into people's homes channel from America or auth Asian channels which

is saying to people, call n we will give you a tal lisman or for a fee,

we will do this, we will do that, we will tell you how to get rid of the

demons in your house that are leading to your difficulties. Thank

you very much. Thank you for talking so openly as well.

Maureen tweets this, "These poor children. It is just awful abuse.

Social services have to watch out for this." Sarah says, "Your piece

on witchcraft just shows how belief can influence and affect lives.

These children need support and resources." LJ says, "It is a great

piece on witchcraft on your programme. Thank you Thank you for

bringing these issues to the fore." Lynn, "This hideous practise of

accusing children of being witches has got to stop. The police sud have

a no tolerance policy." A Government spokesman said,

"Nothing is more important No belief system can justify

the abuse of a child. Those responsible for child abuse

linked to faith or belief would be prosecuted under the same

legislation as anyone abusing or Our statutory guidance is crystal

clear that anyone who has concerns about a child's welfare should

report this to children's social We've also had a statement

through from the Met Police. It says, "Abuse linked to belief

is a horrific crime which is condemned by people of all cultures,

communities and faiths. Families or carers genuinely believe

that the victim has been completely taken over by the devil or an evil

spirit which is often supported by someone who within the community

has portrayed themselves Regardless of the beliefs

of the abusers, child abuse Our role is to safeguard children,

not challenge beliefs. We investigate crimes

against children, but our main aim is to prevent abuse

in the first place." Still to come, Roy Hodgson is set

to announce his provisional England We will look at the new type of

living space which will help those stuck in generation rent. Why so

many people who suspect they have dementia delay visiting their GP

because a diagnosis they think will mean their life is over. We will

hear about one mother who was terrified at discovering her

diagnosis. With the news, here's Joanna

in the BBC Newsroom Migrant arrivals to Greece have

dropped to a trickle because of the deal between the EU

and Turkey which discourages asylum But tens of thousands of people

are still stranded in Greece hoping to get to other parts

of the continent. The Greek administration has said it

needs other EU governments to help. A full inquiry into how a fake bomb

used in a training exercise came to be left at Manchester United's

stadium is being demanded by the city's mayor and Police

and Crime Commissioner. Tens of thousands of fans had to be

evacuated from Old Trafford yesterday, shortly before United's

game against Bournemouth. Child welfare experts are warning

about children being subjected to horrific treatment because their

families believe they are witches. Campaigners say it results

in children being exorcised in order Last year the Metropolitan Police

dealt with 60 cases, an increase of over 50% compared with

three years earlier. There are fears cases involving

witchcraft are not being Anything goes wrong in that family,

I was the responsibility for it. So it wasn't anything about, like,

genuine life problems. There's a warning that safety

in prisons in England and Wales has deteriorated rapidly

in the past year. MPs say they're concerned

about a soaring rise in suicides, attacks on staff, and serious

assaults in the last 12 months. The Justice Committee said that

improvement was urgently needed. Ministers say that

improvements are being made. The Chancellor, George Osborne, is

giving a speech about the dangers of leaving the EU, and he has teamed up

with the Liberal Democrats and Labour to show a united front. The

unlikely trio were introduced by Ryanair's Michael O'Leary at

Stansted Airport. Ed Balls, Vince Cable and I are from different

political parties. We fought each other at the last general election

with different economic argument and we have clashed repeatedly in the

House of Commons over the years. But there is one thing we all agree on.

And that is that it would be a huge mistake for Britain to leave the EU

and to leave the single market. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and

Prince Harry have arrived at the Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park the

launch of their Heads Together campaign which is aiming to break

the stigma of mental health and illness. They want men to talk more

openly to reduce the number of men who take their own lives. Kate

already works with children's charities and Prince Harry will help

highlight the need to help army veterans.

University tuition fees in England are likely to rise for students

Under plans expected to be revealed by the Government today,

universities will face greater scrutiny of the quality

It will also become easier to open new universities.

But Labour has warned there aren't enough controls to stop too

Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11 o'clock.

Max Verstappen becomes the youngest winner of a Formula One race,

after an impressive performance at the Spanish Grand Prix.

He was 18 years and 228 days old when he won yesterday

Manchester City have all but secured their place

They drew 1-1 at Swansea and will finish fourth unless,

Manchester United thrash Bournemouth by 19 goals tomorrow.

Not a bad birthday present for Andy Murray.

He won the Italian Open in Rome as he turned 29,

against world number one Novak Djokovic.

So he's looking in great form ahead of the French Open next week.

And Tom Daley capped off a brilliant week to become diving's

He'd already won the 3m synchronised title and a silver

Now he is European champion for the ten metres individual.

I will have more on the BBC Sport website throughout the morning. Roy

Hodgson will be announcing his squad for the Euros at 11 o'clock. Danny

Welbeck's had to pull out with a knee injury which could open up a

space for Marcus Rashford. Let's go live to Wembley now. What are the

issues that Roy Hodgson will be grappling with full you can see the

media presents building behind me now because we are waiting on the

words of Roy Hodgson. Marcus Rashford could be there in a

training capacity, as we saw with John Stones Anna Flanagan before the

2014 World Cup. And the Danny Welbeck issue. His injury was part

of the reason why he had delayed naming the squad until today. It was

meant to be named on Thursday of last week. Andros Townsend might

come in, the Newcastle winger, who has come into form despite

Newcastle's relegation. There will be speculation about Theo Walcott,

the Arsenal forward who has not been in great form. He has not had many

opportunities of late and has a hamstring injury that will rule him

out for ten days or so, so presumably he wouldn't be available

for Sunday's first warm up match in Turkey. Jordan Henderson, he came in

as a substitute for Liverpool yesterday against West Brom. There

is a plethora of attacking options but defensively could be where the

concern is. The squad will be released at 11 o'clock by the

Football Association and then we will hear from Roy Hodgson. Thank

you. People who suspect they have

dementia are too frightened to go to the doctor because they think

a dementia diagnosis A poll for the Alzheimer's Society

found over half of GPs had diagnosed people who'd experienced

the symptoms for many months Dementia is the most feared

health condition in the UK but the society is urging people

to confront the condition head on. If treated earlier, patients tend

to live well for longer. Let's speak to Joy Watson,

who has dementia. And Christina Macdonald,

whose mother was so scared of the diagnosis, she refused

to believe she had the illness. Welcome to all of you and thank you

for coming on the programme. Joey, thank you for coming on the

programme. How are you? I am OK, thank you. Very busy. Good. You are

diagnosed with early onset dementia after six years of being unsure what

your symptoms meant, I think. What were the signs that meant you

thought things were not quite right? I think it started off with me being

clumsy. That is what I put it down to. I would bump into things and

drop things. Then my eyesight suddenly deteriorated. I was told it

was put down to stress or depression or even the menopause. When you were

given the Alzheimer's diagnosis, how did you react? I was obviously

devastated. I had a good idea of what could be ahead because I have

nursed people with dementia. The first two month I just spent on the

sofa feeling sorry for myself and suicidal. Then I realised there was

more to life than dementia and this could be a new journey for me. As

you say, your job was as a private carer for people with outsiders.

That meant you knew exactly what it entails, but do you think that put

you off getting a diagnosis? Were you afraid to go and see medical

professionals about yourself? I guess I was putting it on the back

burner and hoping that it wasn't dementia. So in that respect, I

buried my head in the sand. But at the same time, I really needed to

know why I was behaving the way I was and why I was struggling with

certain issues. I am just going to bring in Christina, who is sitting

alongside me in the studio. Bear with me for one second. Tell us

about your mother and how afraid she was of dementia. She just wouldn't

accept that anything was wrong, which was the biggest problem that

we had. Her memory started to let her down and she had trouble

recalling things, conversations that we had had five or ten minutes

before. She put it down to memory, you know, her memory not being very

good because she was getting older. She refused to see the GP and

refused to admit other than memory not being quite as good as it was

that anything was wrong. Refused for how long to see the GP? A good year

or so. She would never have agreed to go and see the GP about concerns

about her memory. We only got to to the GP because she developed a water

infection and I managed to throw it into the GP that memory wasn't good

while we were there. When she was diagnosed, could she accepted? She

couldn't understand it. I don't think she understood what it meant.

The irony is, but I think every case is unique and everybody is an

individual and that is important to say, but within a day or so of going

to the GP she didn't remember the visit or the conversation and

therefore the diagnosis. And how has she been since diagnosis and what

have you put in place to support her? It has been a long journey and

she was diagnosed officially in 2009 and he probably had it for a couple

of years before that. For me it has been a massive learning curve. She

lived on her own for a couple of years and wanted to stay as

independent as long as possible. For me, I needed to get as much advice

and support as I could to put the steps in place to get the care that

she needed. I went to the outside is shown in London which is coming

again on the 10th and 11th of June this year. -- Alzheimer's show. I

spoke to experts, about navigating the system, how to get help, which

is what I think people struggle with. We cannot do it on our own. I

was working full-time and she didn't live locally to me so it was obvious

that we needed help. How do you access that support? It is important

to spend time looking into that and doing your research. As a GP, as

Christina says, everybody is different, so as a GP, how do people

usually react when they are diagnosed with dementia? Of course

there is a lot of fear and worry and anxiety about what the future will

hold. I think it is very important to get that diagnosis early. That is

what we are trying to get out there. If there are symptoms of memory loss

and brain function impairment of sorts, then you really need to get

diagnosed and seen quickly. In some cases there may be treatments

available that can slow down progression. You might get help,

physiotherapy, psychological therapy, these things that can

assist with your day-to-day living, for example. Unfortunately, because

we very often see patients quite late on, things have progressed

quite fast, quite far, so we are not living things in the bud earlier,

which is a real worry for us. Your message today is that you may not

want to but it will benefit you if you confronted early on and get to

the GP? Yes. It is very difficult and there are lots of unknowns out

there when you this diagnosis, but when you have the information, as we

were discussing earlier, when you are armed with the information, you

can make decisions at a time when you are still able to make the

decisions about your future care, things like lasting power of

attorney. It is so depressing! It is very difficult but it is easier to

make those decisions now. I patients always tell me they don't want to be

a burden on their family. I think it gives them some relief to have

things in place earlier which can gives them some relief to have

helped with an earlier diagnosis. Yes. This research comes down to

people not wanting to hear the truth because that would mean their life

is over. You mentioned that you were in depression and you felt suicidal

for a couple of months. Do you feel your life is over now you have had

this diagnosis? No, not now. I think it was the initial shock of getting

a diagnosis. With me being so young. I was only 49 when my symptoms

started. Once I realised that it was the beginning of a new journey, not

the end of my life, that I could still do things, all the things that

I enjoy doing. OK, so I need support and I need other people around me,

but I try to do almost all the things that I used to do. What would

you say to somebody who is watching who might be having the symptoms

that you described earlier? Memory loss, perhaps clumsiness, or the

relative of somebody showing those symptoms. What would you say to

them? multi-facetted I would say go and

check it out. There are so many other things it could be just p tout

to one side that fear TV being dementia. Even if you get a

diagnosis to realise that you can live well with dementia. OK, so I

understand that further down the line things are not that easy, but

to just find things like myself, I have managed to get myself a little

job. Now when I first had to give up my nursing career I thought, you

know, this is the end, I'll never work again, but that's not

necessarily the case. I went out there and found this little job

working with Age UK that is promoting awareness and just helping

other people really. Thank you very much, Joy. Thank you for coming on