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The banking regulator calls for a cap on overdraft fees

and warnings to customers before they go overdrawn.

He went missing six years ago from his home in Kent,

and is one of thousands of people who disappear each year.

We'll bring you an update on 31-year-old Matthew Green,

whose story we brought you before Christmas.

I just said, have a good weekend. Don't leave it too late on Sunday,

getting back. Bingeing on alcohol, overdosing

on painkillers and illegal drugs - all part of a worrying rise

in children deliberately We talk to two people

who used to self-poison. Do get in touch on all the stories

we're talking about this morning - If you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate. After the Hillsborough inquests

and pressure for a new investigation into what happened between police

and miners at Orgreave, should police officers be forced out

of retirement to answer questions And we'll talk about young mums

who say they have been discriminated against at work

because they were pregnant - Or did they make your

job more difficult? And we'll being talking live

to Jamala, who took the Eurovision crown

for Ukraine on Saturday. It is our first British TV

interview. Banks should be required to cap

the amount they charge customers That's the recommendation

from the Competition It's proposing a maximum

monthly charge as part of a solution to tackle problems

with current accounts. In 2014, banks made ?1.2 billion

from those penalty fees. To announce what is the maximum they

will charge in any month to a customer or using an arranged

overdraft so that customers not only get some as you read of what is the

most they campaign but also get a warning about the fact that

overdrafts can get very costly, and we also want banks to send messages

to customers when they are in danger of going into overdraft so they can

do their best to avoid being hit by high overdraft charges. We think

that a lot can be done to reduce the charges that bank customers at the

moment pay for an arranged overdrafts.

We will talk more about that later in the programme.

Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

Police have voiced concerns that unarmed officers could be "sitting

ducks" in the event of a gun attack by terrorists.

The main police union says that in spite of plans to increase

the number of firearms staff, officers at strategic sites such

as oil refineries and nuclear power stations in rural and coastal areas

The attacks in Paris last November sparked a rethink

130 people died and hundreds more were wounded when militants launched

They used Kalashnikov assault rifles and explosive belts.

It prompted the UK Government to pay for 1000 more police firearms

In addition, local forces will fund 500 from existing police budgets.

But the Police Federation still doesn't believe armed units

will be able to respond quickly enough to an attack

That is where some of the country's key energy and power

Following events in Paris and Brussels, they are concerned.

They do feel vulnerable, that they will be sitting ducks

in the event of a terrorist atrocity in this country.

The Federation is also concerned the recruitment drive will create

a gap in the front line as armed officers transfer

from uniformed roles, neighbourhood policing and CID.

The National Police Chiefs' Council says mobilising firearms

officers is a challenge, but it says police would have

support from the army, and is discussing plans for military

helicopters to fly police firearms units to the scene of an attack.

Out campaigner Nigel Farage says he'll campaign for a second

referendum on the UK staying in the European Union

He says a scenario like 52% to 48% would mean that the UK's

place in Europe remains 'unfinished business'.

This has led to questions about whether or not he feels

the Leave side could actually come out on top.

But this morning he was maintaining his optimism.

I think we are going to win this referendum. Why? Because there is

far more passion on the Leeds side of the argument, leave voters are

more likely to go down to the primary schools and vote on the 23rd

so I think we are going to win. If we were to lose, narrowly, which I

don't think we well, if we were then what I can see is a large section

particularly in the Conservative Party who feel the Prime Minister is

not playing fair, that the Remain side are using far more money than

the Leave side and there would be a resentment that would build up if

that was to be the result. Having said that, I still think Leave is

going to win. Nurses and pharmacists could be

trained to cover growing gaps in junior doctors' rotas,

as part of proposals from the health It says this would help to create

a more flexible workforce, Unions say there is no substitute

for an experienced doctor. We are going to do Kate's blood

pressure today... Once, a check-up like this

would have been performed by a highly-trained

nurse or even a doctor, but in Bradford, after careful

training, healthcare assistants, who might help wash patients,

are taking on a bigger role, meaning nurses can concentrate on those

in need with more urgent care. I benefit with new skills,

I have broadened skills I have and I have more

confidence with patients. We have more time to build a better

relationship with them and give them things

while they are here so they don't have to go to other places

where they're not sure of going. The report today says developing

skills among staff is vital Examples include support workers,

like care assistants, Nurses, physios and paramedics can

be trained to manage chronic long-term conditions,

and in some hospitals senior nurses are now filling gaps

in junior doctors' rotas, using expert knowledge

and taking complex decisions. When the NHS began, patients tended

to just have one condition and be Now, patients have many conditions

which need long-term care, and this means staff need new skills

to manage these sets of patients. Health unions have expressed some

doubts, arguing nurses and other staff are under enough pressure

already, but the report today says training the existing workforce

is the quickest way to bridge the growing gap between

what patients need and the skills and knowledge of the NHS workforce

which cares for them. 20 foreign ministers are meeting

in Vienna to discuss ways It's been undermined

by fighting in some areas. Several powerful explosions have

been detected in central Syria, in a gas field held

by Islamic State militants. The Syrian Observatory

for Human Rights says its thought IS has destroyed gas pumping

stations to prevent them falling Primary and secondary schools

in England struggling to recruit teachers spent ?821 million

on supply staff last year. Analysis by BBC News shows

the equivalent of ?168 was spent on each child to hire

in extra staff to cover Unions say this reflects

a "serious teacher recruitment and retention crisis",

as David Rhodes reports. If you had come to this school

in North Yorkshire two years ago, chances are you would not have seen

this, a full-time teacher in front This school was failing,

in special measures, and spending over ?500,000 on supply teachers

each year, equivalent to 15% This was one of the biggest spending

schools in the country. A new head teacher was sent

in to turn things around. She replaced nearly half the staff,

looking overseas for new teachers. There are challenges for coastal

schools and recruiting to them. We have also taken the opportunity

to recruit overseas teachers. That has brought a different

dimension into the school as well. Three years ago, the amount schools

were spending on supply teachers to cover vacancies

and absences in England That increased to ?840 million,

although it came down Spending on supply teachers is equal

to 6% of England's overall The average school

spending ?168 per pupil. Figures for Scotland

and Northern Ireland are not Does the use of supply teachers

affect a child's education? I would certainly say I understand

why parents would Scarborough might look

like a picture postcard, but it has been hard to recruit

teachers to this part of the world. Unions say that reflects

the national trend. The Government has been unable

to find graduates to take up Whilst supply teachers are doing

a fantastic job in often difficult circumstances,

I believe the agencies Across England, 70% of school

spending on supply staff now goes through private

agencies like this one. The unions say these companies put

profits before children. A former supply teacher says

that is not true and her company It generally can still be

ringing at 10.30pm. I don't know how schools

would operate without us. The Government says there is no

teacher recruitment crisis, saying that the number and quality

of teachers is at a record high with the overall full-time vacancy

rate standing at just 0.8%. But school budgets

have been squeezed. As a result, when money

is spent on supply teachers, it means there is less

money to spend elsewhere. The Irish singer Sinead O'Connor has

been found safe and well after sparking a police alert

when she went missing near Chicago. The 49-year-old singer went

on a bike ride on Sunday, Local media reported that she had

been staying with friends in the Chicago suburb

for the past several weeks. In 2012 she said she'd suffered

a "very serious breakdown" The world's biggest cruise ship has

sailed into Southampton from France, The Harmony Of The Sea is 50 metres

taller than the Eiffel Tower. It has 23 swimming pools and can

carry can 6000 passengers. With a $1 billion price tag,

it's also the most expensive cruise liner ever built -

not surprising as it took 2500 workers more than two

years to finish the job. And we'll be live on board

the Harmony Of The Sea Sunday's Justin, two men have been

arrested on suspicion of funding terrorism, they are both aged 24 and

work arrested at separate residential addresses in south

London. They are currently in custody at South London police

stations. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30. In the next hour we'll get

an update on Matthew Green - he went missing from his home

in Kent in 2010. He was 26 when he disappeared

and his parents haven't heard from him since we spoke

to them in December. We will get an update on his case

this morning. Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning - If you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate. Let's get the sport now with John -

and the Premier League should That rearranged match

between Bournemouth and Manchester United will be played

tonight, after Sunday's match was abandoned

following the discovery of an imitation bomb left

behind by a security firm. Hundreds of Bournemouth fans will be

back on buses this lunchtime Marcus Rashford will be the man,

or rather the boy, in the spotlight. At 18, he was named in Roy Hodgson's

provisional England Incredible story -

born in Manchester, not Only made his United debut

in February - scored four goals in first two games,

hasn't even played for the England U21's but could be

set for his first full international He would become the second youngest

Englishman to go to a major tournament as Roy Hodgson decides

if the teenager makes his final I'm pleased that someone who has had

such an outstanding end to the season, a young player, a player I

think has obviously got a future if he can continue to develop as he has

developed so far, it is great to be able to include him and then there

is no reason, if he does exceptionally well, why he couldn't

knock someone off their perch. He will be hoping to do that later.

We all know how attractive playing in the Premier League is.

Sheffield Wednesday are one game away from the riches that it brings,

they beat Brighton in the Championship play-off semi-finals.

Sheffield Wednesday equalised through Ross Wallace.

Wednesday will now face Hull or Derby for a place

It is looking like it will be whole but they face because they lead from

the first leg. Now, remember the crisis that hit

British cycling not so long ago? It all started when Jess Varnish

attacked the culture within It prompted the resignation of team

principle Shane Sutton. Varnish - on the left here -

is training in Australia. she is determined to win

back her place on the team for Rio. She plans to meet new performance

director Andy Harrison. She maintains that performance

was not the reason she was dropped. Tyson Fury is in the headlines

again. He has apologised for making inappropriate remarks, again.

It comes after an almost hour-long video was posted online.

He made offensive comment at the end of last day, remember. In a

statement committee said, anyone who knows me personally knows that I am

not a racist or a bigot and I hope the public accept his apology.

You wonder why he continues to make those comments.

The build up to the Olympics continues for Britain's swim team

who won their first medal at the European

Swimming Championships in London's Aquatics Centre.

Hannah Miley claimed silver in the Women's

She's already in the team for Rio, which was announced not long ago.

That is all the sport for now. argument

Thank you very much, John. Do you know when you're

going overdrawn? Are you warned that you haven't

arranged it properly with your bank? The bank regulator the Competition

and Markets Authority have said this morning that the bank should warn

you it's going to happen. They think this and other measures

could save bank customers Financial commentator

Louise Cooper is here. Good morning. So what have they

actually said this morning? Well, this is provisional. This isn't

happening yet. They get, we get the final decision in July, August time.

What is interesting is a complete about turn from their previous

findings in October. In October they said we will not, we don't think,

cap overdraft charges. Now, they have said actually we will. We will

cap overdraft charges for a monthly amount. So it is a big very versal

from the competition and markets authority from the watchdog. And

just shows how much money banks are making from unauthorised overdrafts.

Over ?1 billion. ?1.2 billion a year. If you have an unauthorised

overdraft, the watchdog reckons you could save ?153 on average per year

which of course, over the years, we tend to bank with the same bank for

many, many years, that adds up significantly. OK, so that's one

thing they are recommending, the caps on the charges if we go

overdrawn and we haven't arranged it properly. What else are they saying

this morning about people who, as you mentioned, just stick with one

bank for ever and ever and ever? Well, they are not breaking up the

big four banks and they have said that for sometime. They are trying

to make it easier for you to change your bank account and the numbers

are quite startling actually. 60% of personal account customers have

stayed with their bank for more than ten years. I would think that's, you

know, that doesn't surprise me at all. So most people stick with their

bank because they fear switching. Over the last couple of years we

have had a service called CAST which is supposed to make it easier to

change your bank and that's going to be improved. The onus then is still

on us to do the work to find a better bank? If most of us bank with

the big four then is there enough competition? Is there really much

difference between the four? Well, the first licence to a new bank was

issued in 2010, the first one for over 100 years, so we are getting

challenger banks coming to the market so there is more competition.

It is a lot of it is consumer apathy. Most of just can't be

bothered. We prefer to spend time doing something else, however, with

all things the inducement is saving some money. Now you may not save as

much as say changing your energy supplier, I saved over ?1,000 from

changing my energy supplier so deals can be done. But even ?150 or a

couple of hundred quid a year, it does add up given that all of us, or

most of us have a bank account for our entire lives. Thank you very

much Louise. Thank you for coming on the programme. Louise Cooper.

Binge drinking, overdosing on paracetamol and illegal drugs

have all contributed to a rise in the number of children

It's seen as a form of self-harm and the largest increases

for deliberate poisonings were by teenage girls.

We'll be talking with some people who used to self-poison in a few

minutes, but first this is the story of 15-year-old Rose who made

I think the first overdose I took was the biggest. I remember going

downstairs and taking the whole packet with me. Being sick on the

way to school and then obviously I got worried that I had been sick and

so I told the teacher and the ambulance was called. It was my

mum's birthday coming up, I thought the best birthday present I could

could give her was for me not to be. I felt like a burden. That I would

just go away and she would be happy. It gets in your mind and you fixate

on it and you and then you do it and you come out and you think, "Why

didn't it work?" It is a bit like an addiction. Some of the time I take

it and I think I'm going to get liver damage after this and I will

die. The other times it is just self-harming, I punish myself, if I

die, I will die. I have got no self worth. I feel like I can talk more

and I feel that helps when I was 12, I wouldn't be talking to you now. I

was embarrassed of it. I still have little episodes but I know when I'm

down it will come upment I hope that other people will learn that it is

OK to talk about it. It is not something to be embarrassed or

ashamed of. New research suggests nearly 1,000 children are a year are

intentionally poisoning themselves. In a moment we will talk to Rachel

Welch and with me in the studio is John Golding a psychiatrist and Josh

Connolly is here who used to poison himself with alcohol. Hello, welcome

both of you. Josh from the age of 12, you started drinking. Do you

know why? I think probably the main two reasons were to escape really

the way I felt in my mind and also for connection really, to help me to

connect with the outside world really. Right. What was going on in

your home life that made you want to escape? I'm the child of an

alcoholic. My dad was an alcoholic and he died when I was around nine

years old. Because of the stigma and things around alcoholism, it wasn't

something I was ever really able to talk about. So just general

emotions, positive and neglect tifr was something I had never really

learnt to deal with. So you were suppressing them effectively? Yeah.

Yeah, I suppressed a lot of my negative feelings and so my

perception of the world was probably quite different to someone who was

say sort of healthy minded and maybe had a more of a balanced home. So

that kind of had a negative effect on me and where I had suppressed a

lot of the stuff, it came out of me sort of si ways as I grew up. When

you look back, do you think you are definitely and deliberately

self-harming? I'm not sure it started off like that. In the

beginning, drink just, you know, changed my life and made things a

lot easier for me. And so I started to drink quite a lot and then

obviously my life began to spiral slightly out of control and by my

late teens I would say I was drinking in a self destructive way.

How much? How much did I drink? Yes. By my late teens I was drinking, you

know, it started off on a Saturday night and then it was Friday,

Saturday, and then it was Friday through Thursday and I drank to

blackout a lot so I moon I drank to the point of not being able to

remember a single thing. What was your mum doing when this was going

on? My mum was there and my mum was supportive, but I mean what we used

to do when we were young, 13, 14 is I would say I was staying at a

friend's house and we would often sort of sleep rough is what we used

to call it and we would stay down the park drinking all night. You

kind of, it was something I hid from my family really.

John, why do you think there has been such a phenomenal rise in

incidents of self-harm involving children over the years? I think it

is a big question and obviously there are complex factors, it is

quite hard to be a young person inned to's society. There are a lot

of increased pressures with exam pressures, we were talking

beforehand about social media, and young people having a kind of public

persona on social media which might not reflect the reality of their

lives, if they are in distress or unhappy, they don't put that out

there on the social media, but they have the feelings nonetheless and

they have to express those feelings in some way and sometimes that can

be associated with self-harm. There is also... Sorry to interrupt, John,

but why, you know, as a psychiatrist with young people then you will be

able to get into their minds in a way that perhaps we can't, but why

would self-harming help them if I can put it like that? Well,

self-harm is a form of communication of distress and I think if you find

it hard to communicate distress by verbalising and by talking to

people, if you feel lonely and isolated and you don't have anyone

that you can talk to, you might communicate that distress by

self-harming. It is a kind of a way of dealing with unmanageable

feelings and some people might feel better in the short-term when they

self-harm, but in the long-term it doesn't help them and it is much

better that they can find someone they can talk to and can listen to

their distress. This rise in self poisoning, self-harm is the label

for all sorts of very distressing things, but self poisoning which can

be anything from drinking bleach for example to taking you know, over the

counter medicine? Yes, I mean there are different forms of self-harm.

Self poisoning is one form. Self cutting is another form. Injuring

yourself in different ways and swallowing stuff that you shouldn't

swallow. Self pouging does present to doctors to the Health Service

because you need treatment to mitigate the effects of it, but self

cutting is a more secretive form of self-harm. We think that one in ten

young people self-harm at some point in their lives, but a lot of it is

done in secret and people don't talk about it because there is a certain

amount of stigma associated with it. Rachel, good morning, thank you very

much for talking to us. You're welcome to the programme. Tell us

about your team teens and early 20s when you self poisoned? I self

poisoned through my teenage years. I had an eating disorder and I was

self-harming. The way I used to self-harm was through self poisoning

and it was through over the counter paracetamol, that kind of thing and

for me, it was, I actually found it for of a hidden way of self-harming

so you could take an overdose and nobody would know. If you didn't

tell anybody and if you didn't get any help or present to A then

nobody would know about it and it didn't leave a mark on my body

either. Right But also it was, I found that on the times that I had

cut myself or I had self harmed in another way, it was harder to ask

for help and often people would ask to see your scars or they would

judge you by how badly you had injured yourself, but when you self

poisoned, it was easier to try and get some help because people, for

some reason, people took you more seriously. And so I think certainly

for some of the young people that are doing it now, it is a way of

screaming louder if you like and a way of actually getting some help

and support that otherwise may not be available. Right. So when you

took tablets or whatever it was, did you get the help and support you

were seeking? It was much easier to get help and support because if you

went to A with a cut that didn't need stitches for example, there is

not a lot that they would necessarily do with you, you would

get sent home, but if you go to A having taken some tablets then

actually you get some treatment and you do get heard and it sounds

manipulative, it sounds a way of manipulating the system, if I take

an overdose, someone is going to talk to me, someone is going to do

something, but when you're struggling with self-harm, you are

desperate to be heard and you are desperate for someone to reach you

and try and understand what it is that you're going through and I

think for a lot of people, it becomes a desperate measure and it

is a way of just trying to get someone to listen to you.

Still, incredibly dangerous however, isn't it? Oh, absolutely. Self

poisoning is absolute Russian roulette with your life. The tiniest

of overdose can do the most irvery remembersable damage to somebody's

body and I think that's something that's actually being missed and

there is a lot of young people struggling with self poisoning who

are aware that it is a dangerous thing to do, but I don't think they

are aware of how dangerous it is and if you go and present at A and if

you get treatment within a couple of hours of taking an overdose, the

damage can still be done and I think we're going to see more and more

lives being lost to this unless we can try and reach these young people

before they get that desperate. Can I ask both you Rachel and you Josh

why you found it so difficult to express how you were feeling and

that you chose this dangerous way of expressing how you were feeling,

Rachel, fi ask you first? I think sometimes you experience things

particularly as a young person that you don't have vocabulary for. There

were times I felt things, but I didn't have language to back up what

I was feeling. I couldn't say I was feeling, X, Y, Z and words like

happy or sad or anxious didn't cut it, it didn't cover how it was that

I was feeling. So for me, it was a way of trying to express something

that I didn't have language for. That I didn't have the vocabulary

for and sometimes you don't always have the opportunity to talk to

somebody either in the way that you really need to and so it was a way

of trying to create that kind of circumstances if you like in which I

might be able to talk to somebody. Josh, what would you say? I think

very much like what has just been said, but also, we sort of

congratulate suppressing feelings really because when I wasn't talk

talking about how I was feeling, I was told I was very strong for

pulling my socks up and getting on with life. Whereas, so it was very,

very difficult to talk especially when we are talking about alcoholism

and things like that when there is stigma in society. We learnt at

school that people who drink too much and do drugs are bad people. It

is something that was very, very difficult for me to talk about. And

seen as weak to express that I was struggling with life. And you know,

for me as a young sort of 13-year-old lad, the last thing I

wanted to be seen as was weak. So I think we could sort of congratulate

people a lot more when they find the courage to speak up so we can be

encouraged, people can be encouraged themselves to speak up about how

they are feeling and feel like they will be congratulated for being

strong in expressing their wackness. That's a really good point. Thank

you very much Josh and John and Rachel. Thank you so much for your

time. Thank you for coming on the programme.

If you've been affected by any of the issues raised in our film

and are looking for further help, support or information on mental

health then please call the BBC Action Line on 08000 564 756 or head

Still to come, if you're a woman and under the age of 25 you're six

times more likely than other women to be sacked from your job after

Really keen to hear your stories this morning - have

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And no more recipes on the BBC website.

Critics have called it an "abomination" which will make it

harder for those on low incomes to find decent recipes.

Tell us if you think it is right that there will be no more recipes

on the BBC website in the future. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. Banks should be required to cap

the amount they charge customers That's the recommendation

from the Competition It's proposing a maximum

monthly charge as part of a solution to tackle problems

with current accounts. In 2014, banks made ?1.2 billion

from those penalty fees. Police have voiced concerns that

unarmed officers could be "sitting ducks" in the event of a gun

attack by terrorists. The main police union,

the Police Federation, says that in spite of plans

to increase the number of firearms staff, officers at strategic sites

such as oil refineries and nuclear power stations in rural

and coastal areas of England Following events in Paris

and Brussels, they are concerned. They do feel vulnerable,

that they will be sitting ducks in the event of a terrorist

atrocity in this country. Out campaigner Nigel Farage says

he'll fight for a second referendum on the UK staying

in the European Union He says a scenario like

52% to 48% would mean that the UK's place in Europe

remains 'unfinished business'. This has led to questions

about whether or not he feels the Leave side could

actually come out on top. But this morning he was

maintaining his optimism. I think we are going to win

this referendum. Because there is far more passion

on the Leave side of the argument, Leave voters are much more likely

on 23rd June to go down to the local primary school and vote,

so I think we are going to win. If we were to lose, narrowly,

which I don't think we will, if we were then what I can see

is a large section, particularly in the Conservative Party,

who feel the Prime Minister is not playing fair,

that the Remain side are using far more money than the Leave

side, and there would be a resentment that would build up

if that was to be the result. Having said that, I still think

Leave is going to win. Nurses could be used to help cover

growing gaps in junior doctor rotas, as part of proposals from the health

think-tank The Nuffield Trust. It's calling on nursing and support

staff across the UK to be given new skills in order to help relieve

pressure on the NHS. The Patients Association has

warned against 'quick fix' solutions to the health

service's staffing problems. 20 foreign ministers -

including US Secretary of State John Kerry and his Russian

counterpart Sergei Lavrov - are meeting in Vienna to discuss

ways of strengthening It's been undermined

by more fighting. Several powerful explosions have

been detected in a gas field held The Syrian Observatory

for Human Rights says its thought IS has destroyed gas pumping

stations to prevent them falling The BBC Food website,

which has more than 11,000 recipes, It's part of a BBC review

of its online output. It says it needs to scale down

or close some services, The BBC says it can't be 'all things

to all people.' Breaking news on inflation, we are

hearing that it has slipped for the first time since last November. It

fell to 0.3% last month down from 0.5% in March.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10am.

Now, John's back with the sports headlines.

Yes, many thanks. We will. With football, all eyes on Marcus

Rushford, who will be featuring we expect for Manchester United against

Bournemouth, the match rescheduled after it was abandoned on Saturday.

He was named in Roy Hodgson's provisional 26 man squad ahead of

the European Championships. He has never made his full international

debut for a good, we are expecting to be jetting one of the upcoming

friendly matches. We will see whether he will but his place on the

plane for the European Championships as well.

Sheffield Wednesday but their place in the play-off championship final,

beating Brighton 3-1 on aggregate. They already led 2-0 from the first

leg so they will contest a place in the championship play-off final,

waiting to see whether they will face Hull or Derby, who play later.

Jess varnish has bowed to return to the GB cycling team. She was dropped

after being told her times were not good enough. This is her on the

left. It led to the departure of Shane Sutton after she claimed she

was told to go away and have a baby. She has released a statement saying

she will return to the team. And Hannah Miley as well claimed

silver in the women's 400 metres individual medley last night. She

has already booked her place on the British swim team for the real

games. A good start for her, claiming a silver medal. Plenty more

events to come in the pool for London later on tonight.

That is all the sport for now, more later on.

Ukip leader Nigel Farage says he'll campaign

for a second EU referendum if the margin is very

Our political guru Norman Smith is in Westminster.

So even if he loses, even if Britain doesn't vote to leave the EU, he

will carry on? It may not be over. I don't know if

folk have heard of the word neverendum, but it is used to

describe when you have one referendum that prompt another, and

then another, and that is what we could face at least according to

Nigel Farage, who is suggesting that if the result of this referendum is

close, something like 52-48, a lot of people will be very, very unhappy

and claim that the boat has been rigged because the Government has

pretty much thrown everything at it. He points to this leaflet they put

out costing ?9 million, and the sense that the Government have

thrown absolutely everything at this referendum and it has not been a

fair fight, and he said it will prompt demands for a second

referendum. More than that, he said if that happens David Cameron could

be outed as Tory leader, and you could have someone like Boris

Johnson replacing, which could create huge pressure for a second

vote on an EU referendum. Mr Cameron has been clear on this when he has

spoken about it, he pretty much said this visit, a once in a generation

vote. Have a listen to him in the Commons the day.

The Government's position will be to recommend that Britain remains in a

reformed European Union. Mr Speaker, this is a vital decision for the

future of our country and I believe we should also be clear that it is a

final decision. A final decision. But think of the

Scottish independence referendum just a couple of years ago. Within

months of it being over, and one quite comfortably by Mr Cameron, we

know there have been renewed demands for yet another referendum, even

though leading figures, take Alex Salmond, who was then the Scottish

First Minister, when he was challenged on the Andrew Marr

programme he openly conceded that the referendum was meant to be a

once in a generation vote. Have a listen.

If it is a no vote by a whisker, is that it, do you come back for

another referendum in a few years' time? You have talked in the past of

it being for a generation, is that your view? Yes, by which I mean if

you remember the previous constitutional referendum in

Scotland in 1979, the next one was 1997, that is what I mean by a

political generation. In my opinion, it is just my opinion, this is a

once in a generation opportunity. We all know the current Scottish

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has been pretty clear that if we vote to

leave the EU then she will demand a second Scottish referendum. In other

words there would be a second vote within five years or so of the last

vote. The thing is, we have seen Alves where in the world, when you

have a referendum it often does not settle the matter. Think of Canada,

where they have had two referendums so far on the idea of Quebec being

independent, they had one back in 1980, which the Remain camp, if we

want to call it that, one pretty easily, and in 1995 they had another

which was an absolute knife edge referendum, the Remain campaign

winning 51 to 49, and there is still pressure for another vote, a third

vote. The real danger is how far, once you allow a referendum, you

simply open up a Pandora's box which is is impossible to close and you

just get renewed demands for yet more and more referendums. There are

fears that could be what we are facing here.

Thank you very much, Norman. Some e-mails on recipes on the BBC

website. Carroll says, come on, how could

you?! You give us a platter of cookery programmes, then we print of

recipes that appeal to us. Not everyone can afford to go and buy

the books, please keep the recipes. Peter says, I cannot believe the

recipes are being stopped, how much is it going to save? I have used the

website for years, so has my husband and daughter, what are we paying the

license fee for? All the good things are going!

They will still be on the website, they will just not add any more new

recipes and it will just be slightly harder to find them because they

will not be linked or optimised, so they will fall away from searches,

but they will still be there. Coming up, how can a song about

ethnic cleansing by former Soviet leader Josef Stalin Windy Eurovision

Song Contest? Ukrainian winner Jamala will tell others in her first

British interview in ten minutes. And should police officers be forced

out of retirement to face misconduct proceedings and even lose their

pension? After the conclusion

of the Hillsborough inquests, Shadow Home Secretary,

Labour's Andy Burnham says it is unacceptable that police can

retire to avoid punishment and if he has his way the loophole

will be closed. Mr Burnham will address

the Police Federation's annual conference later today and tell them

they've lost the public's trust Steve White is chair

of the Police Federation of England Steve Kelly feels

police do need to work He lost his brother

in the Hillsborough tragedy. Lastly, solicitor Elkan Abrahamson

is here with me in studio. He represented 20 of

the Hillsborough families and thinks there are systemic issues

of accountability within You are all here because you have

slightly different views on what should happen, but let me ask you

first, Steve White, is the Shadow Home Secretary going to be welcome

at your conference today? Of course he is going to be welcomed, we are

happy to listen to the Home Secretary, happy to listen to the

Shadow Home Secretary to hear what he has got to say, but I think he is

misguided in some of the things he may say. We will have to wait and

see what comes out of conference later today,

but one of the things that certainly I should be saying is that you

cannot judge the rank and file and members I represent, the 122,000

hard-working cops up and down the country today by the mistakes of a

few senior officers 27 years ago. Hillsborough was an awful, awful

tragedy, and we will be recognising that today, but we have got to move

on. We have got to look at policing issues of today, make sure at

accountability is right, and I think we have moved very far in the right

direction around that, but I think some of his comments are misguided.

Steve Kelly, Steve White says we have got to move on? I think the

police have got to move on, certainly, but the issue of

accountability has got to be addressed. It has not been addressed

for 27 years within some of the policemen that have been on duty

that day and we are looking, as Hillsborough families and survivors,

at the senior ranks, not the junior ranks. We have spoken many times

about this, it came ranks. We have spoken many times

The event of Hillsborough, the planning was wrong, there was not a

contingency plan, and after the event it was the senior ranks who

closed ranks and covered up Hillsborough. It is them who need to

be made accountable. As Andy Burnham is going to speak today, if their

pensions, etc, are at risk, then it is their own doing. I look forward

today to listening to some of the issues that will come out of today's

meeting. I'm not sure their pensions are at risk. Steve White, it is one

of the things Andy Burnham is campaigning on, he wants effectively

what could be known as a Hillsborough clause in the policing

and crime Bill to end what he calls the scandal of retirement as an

escape route and of wrongdoers claiming their full pension.

We have got to determine what misconduct is about in term of

holding police officers to account. This suspect about criminal issues.

Criminal issues maybe outstanding and that has no time limit on it,

but when we are talking about misconduct the ultimate answer is to

get rid of that officer from the service and the Police Federation is

supportive. There needs to be a time limit of a couple of years to make

sure if officers have retired and they still need to face misconduct,

two years is plenty of time, in order to bring them back to the

service and to deal with them. Are they going to say? We are going to

dispense with your services as a police officer? Well, they have

already retired. They have already retired in order to escape

misconduct proceedings? That isn't the case. We have overhauled the

misconduct regulations to ensure police officers can't retire to

escape it. That's been addressed. What we are talking about here is an

incredibly difficult and emotive issue and my word of caution would

be this, hard cases such as Hillsborough don't necessarily make

good legislation and good guidance and we need to make sure we do

what's right for the Police Service and for the public of today.

The Hillsborough case does not necessarily make for good

legislation? The suggestion it was 27 years ago, and we should move on,

would be right if the officers 27 years ago had admitted their fault,

but they haven't. They have continued to propagate a lie for 27

years until they no longer could get away it with it of the ethos that

was there in the force 27 years ago is still there and that's the real

problem. It is also right to say we shouldn't be blaming junior

officers. The fault was with the senior officers at Hillsborough,

that's not to say that junior officers are always entirely

blameless, when we look at an ethos within an organisation, it usually

comes from the top and it is the top we should be looking at. We

shouldn't be looking to blame junior officers. Retirement is a more

complex issue because it brings in employment law, pensions are made up

partly of contributions by an employee from his salary. Now, you

can argue if someone who has been paid to do a job for 30 years has

been doing that job corruptly for the last 30 years, well they

shouldn't have been paid, and they should pay back their salary and

pension, but that's an argument that takes us outside the police force.

Banks are trying to recover salaries. Or politicians or

journalists or lawyers, where do you journalists or lawyers, wheredo you

do you stop? That's a much more difficult issue. OK. Steve White in

terms of this idea of wrong-doers claiming their full pension, what do

you say on that specifically? Well k we already have regulations in place

for the for fitture of pensions -- forfeiture of pensions. How does an

officer forfeit their pension? How often has that happened? Well, the

regulations, the misconduct regulations are there and they are

there to be used, I can't give you an exact figure, but officers had to

forfeit their pensions and that's why we have got them. However, you

know, we are talking about the Police Service of today. Which is a

complete different service of the police service of 27 years ago. We

have got it make sure we get this right and a knee-jerk reaction using

Hillsborough as an example could be misguide. We are on the side of

making sure that police officers are properly held to account, but we

don't feel this is the way to do it. You said a couple of times 27 years

ago, which indeed it was, the inquests have been over the past two

years when the police and their representatives continued the

defence of 27 years ago. Well, that's a matter for them and as I've

said, we're not interested in officers not facing the appropriate

sanctions and of course, we are still waiting to see, if the Crown

Prosecution Service is going to bring prosecutions, but to say, that

what happened 27 years ago and because some officers in some

people's views might get away with their pensions is not the reason to

change the legislation, the misconducts for current officers

serving today, we don't feel. There is other ways to ensure that police

officers can be returned to their forces within a time scale, to make

sure that the misconduct issues, it is a nonsense that we have had to

wait 27 years to get the verdicts that we have had. I think everybody

agrees with that. We have got to make sure we have got accountability

in the Police Service that works quickly so that if focuses on the

needs of the victims. It focuses on the needs of the officers and in the

interests of the public. Steve Kelly, a final thought, what

could the police do to rebuild trust for you, as someone who lost their

brother at Hillsborough? What the police need to realise that truth

and justice have no sell-by date. If anybody is proved to have done wrong

that day, and is appropriately punished in the future well then

they should face the severest sanctions be it 27 years on or 27

weeks on. As I say, truth and justice have no sell-by date. The

police need to honour that. Thank you for coming on the

programme. Thank you very much for your time

this morning. Thank you. Coming up, how soon a reality

could driverless cars be? The Government is expected

to announce plans tomorrow to make it easier for us all to be able

to get insurance to drive them. We'll talk to people who've already

taken them for a spin. We're going to talk now

to the winner of this This was her performing on Saturday

night. It was a nailbiting moment with the

public vote making all the difference. This is the moment it

was announced. 361 points... APPLAUSE

Which is not muff for Ukraine and we have a winner of the Eurovision Song

Contest. The lyrics in her winning song have

been criticised by some Some thought it was

an attack on Russia after she sang about her family,

part of the Crimean Tartar community being deported under

Joseph Stalin in 1944. Russia might even boycott

the contest next year when it Let's talk to her live from Kiev

in her first British interview since winning

Saturday night's contest. Trawl, congratulations on your

victory, Jamala. How did you feel when you knew you had won? Thank you

very much. Really, it is a big, I don't know, it is a big pleasure for

me to speak with you and first of all, thank you for ten points from

the United Kingdom actually! When you heard that you had won, how

did you feel? Oh, I was so happy. It's really a

new step in my musical career. Of course I was so happy. I'm happy

now. Of course. Of course. Is your song political?

I don't think so. I said about this a lot of times that I don't have any

political statement in my song and you know that if you answered about

this and they responded well about that they don't have questions to my

song. I mean, no political statement in my lyrics or music. What message

did you want to get across then? You know, I think that my song really

touched Europe because it's so important now a days. I sing about

the roots. Where I came from and now, it is a very common thing to

discuss. You know, I sing about my pain. I sing about all Crimean

Tartars pain, but now we have a lot of pain in this world. That's why I

think European people understand me quite well. Yes. I sing about my

great-grandmother and all Crimean Tartars, but at the same time I sing

about people who really suffered in the wars and different tragedies now

a days and in the past. I understand. Now, you will have heard

that Russia might boycott Eurovision next year when it is in Ukraine.

What do you say about that? I don't know. What can I say? If they want

to boycott the Eurovision next year, it is their choice. What can I say?

It wasn't about Russia. It was about pain. It was about really this

tragedy which happened in 1944. It is like, it just released my soul

and released this theme which were so hidden during all these years.

Yes, Jamala thank you thank you very much for talking to us and

congratulations again. Thank you. Jamala talking to us live from Kiev.

Have you decided how you're going to vote in the EU referendum?

Well, you are very welcome to take part in one of our big TV audience

we're live in Glasgow on the 26th May with an audience of under 30s.

If that's you and can get to Glasgow from wherever you are in the UK do

email [email protected] to have your chance to quiz senior

politicians from the leave and remain campaigns.

The debate will be broadcast live on BBC One at 8pm.

And on the 6th June we're in Manchester for another debate

It's open to everyone will take place in our normal airtime

We talked about the number of children self-harming.

Tweet from Carmen, "I was doing this over 20 years ago as a 14-year-old

and I'm still doing this and other forms of self harm."

"If drinking alcohol is self-harm then we all self-harm

or self-medicate." Tweet from Politikat, "I used

to self-poison through my teens and early 20s, usually by taking

frequent small overdoses of over the counter medicines." Tweet

from Aisha, "Well done in highlighting rise

I hope everyone affected can get the help they need."

If you want help then contact the BBC Actionline. Go to the BBC

website. Carol has the weather. This morning

has been a beautiful start to the day. That was north qork shire. This

is of Northamptonshire. Beautiful blue skies and for Milton Keynes

too, a lovely tRangle start to the day. -- tranquil start to the day.

There is some cloud around particularly so in the north and the

west and some of that has been producing rain and showers, but you

can see where we have got the sunshine still. As we go through the

course of the day, more rain is going to arrive across parts of the

west. So you can see where the rain coming in across Northern Ireland,

moving across western and Northern Scotland, but ahead of that for

central and eastern areas, well although some fair-weather cloud

will develop, it will be essentially sunny. For parts of Wales and the

south-west, the cloud continuing to build and here too, we will see

spots of rain, albeit patchy. The cloud building over towards

Hampshire. Move east of that, and we are back into the sunshine and the

warmth. With light winds it will feel pleasant. We could hit 20

Celsius across parts of the south-east. East Anglia and into

northern England, a similar story. Hazy sunshine and Eastern Scotland

faring nicely too. We could hit 17 Celsius in parts of Aberdeenshire.

For Western Scotland and Northern Ireland, we have got the rain. A gap

and then there will be more rain coming your way if you are in

Northern Ireland and it is the north-east of Wales seeing the

brightest skies. The south-west will have patchy rain as indeed will

parts of south-west England sh but again, it is patchy and not all of

us seeing it. The pollen levels are high across central and eastern

parts of the UK. If you have an alrgey to tree pollen in particular

bear that in mind. There will be some clear skies, but as our first

ban of rain advances so will the cloud. Then we have got this heavier

band of rain coming across Scotland, north-west England, Wales and the

Midlands and south-west England and in the south-west you could hear the

odd rumble of thunder. A warmer night than we have seen for a few

nights. Tomorrow, well, there goes that rain. Again heading towards the

South East. It will tend to turn more showery in nature, but the

showers through the afternoon could be torrential. We could see a lot of

rain in a small amount of time and also with hail and thunder, but not

all of us will because they are showers. Out towards the west, well

things brighten up and we will see sunshine and after a relatively dry

start across central and eastern parts of England, it will cloud over

from the west as the rain piles in initially across Northern Ireland

and Scotland fringing down into England and the south-west and

feeling nippy in the north-east. Hello, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, good

morning - we're live until 11am. He went missing six years ago

from his home in Kent, and is one of thousands of people

who disappear each year. We'll bring you an update

on 31-year-old Matthew Green, whose story we brought you before

Christmas. Don't leave it too late

on Sunday, getting back." Driverless cars could be on British

roads in the next four years but how Could the Government be

about to announce that owners And women under 25 are six-times

more likely to be discriminated against when they're

pregnant, says the equality Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. Banks should be required to cap

the amount they charge customers That's the recommendation

from the Competition It's proposing a maximum

monthly charge as part of a solution to tackle problems

with current accounts. In 2014, banks made ?1.2 billion

from those penalty fees. Inflation fell in April for

the first time since last September. The rate of Consumer Price Index

inflation fell to 0.3% last month, It has been put down to a fall in

airfares and lower clothing prices. Police have voiced concerns that

unarmed officers could be "sitting ducks" in the event of a gun

attack by terrorists. The main police union says that

in spite of plans to increase the number of firearms staff,

officers at strategic sites such as oil refineries and nuclear power

stations in rural and coastal areas Following events in Paris

and Brussels, they are concerned. They do feel vulnerable,

that they will be sitting ducks in the event of a terrorist

atrocity in this country. The campaigner Nigel Farage says

he'll fight for a second referendum on the UK staying

in the European Union He says a scenario like 52% to 48%

would mean that the UK's place in Europe remains

'unfinished business'. This has led to questions

about whether or not he feels the Leave side could actually come

out on top. But this morning he was

maintaining his optimism. I think we are going to win

this referendum. Because there is far more passion

on the Leave side of the argument, Leave voters are much more likely

on 23rd June to go down to the local primary school and vote,

so I think we are going to win. If we were to lose, narrowly,

which I don't believe we will, if we were then what I can see

is a large section, particularly in the Conservative Party,

who feel the Prime Minister is not playing fair,

that the Remain side are using far more money than the Leave side,

and there would be a resentment that would build up

if that was to be the result. Having said that, I still think

Leave is going to win. Nurses and paramedics could be used

to help cover growing gaps as part of proposals from the health

think-tank The Nuffield Trust. It's calling on nursing and support

staff across the UK to be given new skills in order to help relieve

pressure on the NHS. The Patients Association has

warned against 'quick fix' solutions to the health

service's staffing problems. 20 foreign ministers -

including US Secretary of State John Kerry and his Russian

counterpart Sergei Lavrov - are meeting in Vienna to discuss

ways of strengthening It's been undermined

by more fighting. Several powerful explosions have

been detected in a gas field held The Syrian Observatory

for Human Rights says its thought IS has destroyed gas pumping

stations to prevent them falling Two men have been arrested

on suspicion of funding terrorism. They're both aged 24

and were detained by detectives from the Metropolitan Police

Service's Counter Terrorism Command. They were arrested at separate

residential addresses and are currently in custody

at south London police stations. The BBC Food website,

which has more than 11,000 recipes, It's part of a BBC review

of its online output. It says it needs to scale down

or close some services, Critics say it is a vital tool for

people on low incomes, with one chef describing the removal of the

recipes as an abomination. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30am. Lots of have been contacting us

about the BBC's decision to stop Anne emailed us to say

it is "disgraceful, Pauline says she is a great

supporter of the availability and free access to quality

information for all income groups. And this email from Dave -

"The recipes are not being cut. They are being reduced on a low heat

and allowed to simmer." Do get in touch with us throughout

the morning - use the If you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate. Manchester United play Bournemouth

later, their Premier League match which was rearranged after it was

abandoned on Sunday. Eight coachloads of Bournemouth fans will

be heading north around lunchtime. All eyes will be on Marcus Rashford,

who at 18, was named in Roy Hodgson's provisional England

squad for the Euros. Incredible story -

born in Manchester, not He only made his United

debut in February - scored four goals in his first two

games, he hasn't even played for the England U21's but could be

set for his first full international cap in one of England's

pre-tournament friendlies. Roy Hodgson will then decide

if the teenager will earn a spot his I'm pleased that someone who has had

such an outstanding end to the season, a young player,

a player I think has obviously got a future if he can continue

to develop as he has developed so far, it's great to be able

to include him and then there is no reason, if he does exceptionally

well, why he couldn't knock Sheffield Wednesday are one game

away from the riches that the Premier League

brings, they beat Brighton in the Championship

play-off semi-finals. Sheffield Wednesday equalised

through Ross Wallace. Wednesday will now face Hull

or Derby for a place in the Premier Hull face Derby later,

Hull are 3-0 up. Jess Varnish, the GB cyclist

who claimed in an interview she was told to go an away

and have a baby, says she's determined to win her place back

on the cycling team for Rio. Varnish - on the left here -

attacked the culture within British Cycling,

which prompted the resignation She says she'll be meeting his

replacement Andy Harrison and maintains that her performance

was not the reason she was dropped. It has the feel of watching a fallen

idol trying to reading former glories for Tiger Woods at the

moment. At a tournament he is hosting he hit three shots into the

water. He is trying to recover his form and fitness, he is outside of

the world's top 500. He says he is progressing but, as you can see, he

is a long way off giving a timescale just yet for his return. But he

still has his sights on winning more majors, something he believes he can

do to catch Sam Snead, who holds the record of 82 tour wins, and Jack

Nicklaus' record of 86 majors. His record is still attainable, I have

got to lot of the regular ones already, but the major one is still

up there. I would like to get Sam's record as well. I am number two on

both lists so it would be nice to be won on both lists. If his record is

anything to go by, you certainly cannot count him out.

That is all the sport for now, back to you.

Last December we brought you the story of Matthew Green,

who went missing from his home in Kent six years ago.

He was 26 at the time, and one of thousands of people

Most people who go missing return home quickly.

Matthew had a normal life by all accounts and told his parents

he was going to visit friends for the weekend but never came back.

In a moment we'll talk to his parents to bring

you the latest developments, but first here's a quick reminder

of the story we brought you just before Christmas.

Every two minutes, someone is recorded missing. 95% are found safe

and well within 48 hours. But around 2500 people each year are still

missing 12 months later. It was Easter week, he said, I'm going to

my friends at Mile End the Easter weekend but I'm back on Sunday

because I have work on Monday. On the Thursday evening, which was the

8th of April... I just said, have a good weekend, don't leave it too

late on Sunday getting back. And he never got to where he was going.

Nobody has seen or heard from him since. It hasn't crashed. It is a

video! Five years ago, Matthew Green, under right here, vanished

from his home in Sittingbourne, Kent. As far as his parents know he

wasn't in any trouble and there was no big family row. His bedroom

hasn't been touched since that date. On the Wednesday, when I went into

the police station, I felt... I felt stupid, for want of a better word. I

thought, he's 26, and I'm coming to report him missing. I said, I don't

know if I'm doing right or wrong, or if he is missing, and I don't want

to waste your time or anything, but he has not been in contact since

last Friday, when he left. Which was totally out of the ordinary. Then

they wanted to come to the house to have a look at his room and see if

there was anything there that might show anything. Which is where they

found his phone, which was totally unusual because at that time it was

like this all the time, superglued to their ears. He would never, ever

leave his phone. That was when the alarm bells started ringing,

something is not right. Matthew didn't just leave his phone behind.

He took his passport, his birth certificate, and ?1700 in cash he

had been saving. His parents have spent five years following every

lead. The past five and a half years have been, for want of a better

word, hell. Quite a few people have said to me, you are a strong person.

I think, you don't know me, you don't see me when I locked myself in

the bathroom at night so I can write. -- cry. It makes me feel

better, then you can continue, you just carry on. I did 30 years plus

in the Fire and Rescue Service, I have resolved a lot of problems for

different people, different families, but the hardest thing I

feel, I can't resolve this. That was last December.

We can talk to Matthew's parents, Pauline and Jim.

Thank you for talking to us, tell our audience what you now know about

Matthew? We now know that he is alive. In Spain. But we don't know

whereabouts in Spain. How did you get this news? On the 3rd of May

Kent Police came round to the house and obviously it was a bit of a

shock initially, seeing the police on your front doorstep. She said,

there is nothing to worry about, we have got some news on maps. -- on

Matthew. Then she told us that he had been located. Apparently there

was a guy acting a bit oddly, a bit strangely, and was picked up, for

want of a better word, by the social services out in Spain. And that, to

date, is as far as we know. Hence your distress, although clearly it

is amazing news that you know your son is alive, it is what you have

been waiting to hear the so long, but you don't know where he is, you

don't know how to get in touch with them? No, no. We have been in touch

with the consular in the Jed -- the consulate in Madrid and I have sent

Matt a letter, I e-mailed that to the consulate and asked if they

could pass that on and I have also asked them, if it has been delivered

to him, and we are at a stumbling block, they cannot tell me if it has

been delivered to him because of data protection, they cannot tell me

where he is exactly because of data protection. But they know, do they?

I'm assuming they know, because Interpol were involved at the

initial stages, apparently, and then they got a fingerprint match which

proves 99.9% it is Matt, which obviously we are elated about but it

is just all the other stumbling blocks we have got. Nobody will tell

us exactly where in Spain he is, it is a vast country, I would have been

on the plane the following morning, but where do I go? We have just got

all these questions still and nobody to answer them.

Jim, what do you think of this situation that you and Pauline now

find yourselves in? Well, elated at the news. As Pauline said it was a

real shock initially, but now, again, the questions of over and

over again, can we come and see him or anything like that? But without

Matthew's consent and the Data Protection Act they won't give us

any information whatsoever of his whereabouts, his well-being, if he

is OK, at one stage they said that he would have to be assessed by a

medical team for his mental health. Now, we don't even know whether

that's been done and if they have done this, and they deemed him OK,

have they just let him go? We don't know. We are still in that limbo

land again. OK. So, I mean, the most important thing is that your son is

alive. Yes. There are some hurdles in your way, but they are not

insurmountable, are they, Pauline? Oh no, definitely. I will get there

in the end, it might take me a bit more time, but I've waited six

years. So I'll carry on. Yes. Well, thank you very much for giving our

audience an update and clearly, we are going to keep in touch. So thank

you. No, thank you. Thank you very much Pauline. Thank you. Pauline and

Jim Green. Let me give you the number if you need it more the

Missing People Helpline: call or text on 116 000,

or you can email If you're a car owner you'll know

that when you renew your car insurance the company asks

you a load of questions about you, We're told they could be on British

roads within the next four years. But how would you go

about insuring one? When the Prime Minister tells us

tomorrow what new laws he wants to bring in this year he is expected

to say that driverless cars should So we've got a racing driver,

a motoring expert, a boss of a car company and a man selling insurance

to talk about this. Gus Park, commercial

director of motor insurance Nick Connor, MD of Volvo UK -

the firm is going to start trialling And, via webcam, Robert Llewellyn,

motoring expert and TV presenter. Welcome all of us. Robert, you have

been in a driverless car. Describe what it is like to our audience and

how it works and so on? I have been in about four. They are all slightly

different. So some of them are regular cars with steering wheels

that had a driver sitting in the driver's seat ready to take over the

controls. One of them had no steering wheel and no controls and

just drove itself happen Jill! The car I drive regularly has a setting

called ought owe pilot if you are on a motorway, drives the car for you.

Aur' legally obliged to have your hands on the steering wheel to take

over, but it has proved itself to be reliable. It keeps a safe distance

from other vehicles. Doesn't break the speed limit and knows how to

drive very well. You get used to it, but it is a different experience.

Yes. In that, in the last one, you described if you are driving on a

motorway and you have got your hands on the wheel and if it is doing in

front of you and if something fell off a lorry, you would take over

manually? If you move the steering wheel, you have got control of the

car. It is instantaneous, you don't have to switch something off or

adjust a setting. You are in control of the vehicle at all times. What

about the one that doesn't have a steering wheel? Well sh they are not

allowed on public roads other than in California, they are Google cars,

I used a series of autonomous cars in Abu Dhabi and they are on roads

used by other vehicles, but they are restricted to a route of roadment

they are aware of other vehicles if there is another car in front of it,

slowing it down, it steers around it, so that's not quite, you know,

driving down your street yet, but I mean, clearly, it is technically

possible. It is as we are go to discover legal and insurance reasons

are the problem. The key thing is the ownership of it. I don't think

anyone will own in the sense we do now a driverless car because you

won't need to, you will be at home and it will come and get you and

that will be the end of it. It changes the ownership model. Well,

that has a relevance when we talk about insurance. Rebecca, as a

racing driver driving at top speeds, would you let technology take over?

Well, it is a difficult question to answer. If I'm responsible for

whatever happens in the car then I would be reluctant to let the

technology take over. When I'm in control of the vehicle, it is up to

me to look out for hazards, if I want to let someone cross the road,

perhaps there is an old lady at the side of the road that is really

struggling to get across because no one will stop and then I can be kind

and stop and let her cross. Also with my racing car I am protected

with a roll cage and three-piece fire retardant suit, it is a whole

world apart from driving quickly on the road. Do you like the idea of it

or not like the idea of relinquishing control? As a racing

driver, I am a control freak! However, I think if the technology

is proven and it is safe then being able to get into effectively a

chauffeur driven vehicle without paying the full-time wage of a

chauffeur mrps Is that true, you would be able to catch up on work or

have a rest? Wouldn't you be thinking the whole time, gosh, what

if this goes wrong I have got to be on it? Tell us why there is a

demand. There is a demand. You can waste a lot of time driving in and

out of cities and on our motorways and once you have been in a fully

autonomous car, at first it feels strange, but after five minutes you

relax. There is no way I would relax in a driverless car. After a few

minutes when you see the car can change lanes and speed up, slow

down, you get used to it and then you push back and you check your

phone and read a book. It liberates time. It is fantastic development.

OK. What's the impact on people's insurance policies then do you

reckon? Well, I think what we know up to 90% of road traffic accidents

are caused by driver error. So if we take away the driver error piece we

know that our accidents will fall and therefore, premium also fall. So

we are saying driverless cars will mean a reduction in accidents?

Absolutely. That's why Volvo is keen on autonomous driving. We see it as

a great way of eliminating all road traffic accidents in the longer

term. Wow, eliminating all road traffic accidents, that's

astonishing. Whether it is plausible, I don't know, but we will

see over the years. Gus Park, in terms of insurance policies, in

terms of normal people who drive now and their insurance policies, all of

us think we pay too much in term of insurance policies, what impact will

driverless car technology have on our policies? It could bring down

the cost of insurance quite a bit if it is successful in reducing the

number of accidents. So you will pass that on to the customers, will

you? Yes, absolutely if we can establish there are the safety

benefits. In the short-term, maybe less will change. These cars will

continue to be mixed so some of the time you will be driving it

yourself. Some of the time it will this autonomous mode. The hope is

this will make our roads safer and reduce the cost of insurance. Do you

see a time as Robert suggested where we won't own a car, just someone

will bring one to us, I don't know, who will this someone be, we will

have a man servant? It will be the car. Oh, the car will come itself to

your home? It is almost exists now. Something like Uber or Halo which is

an app that you have on your fond, you press a button and the car turns

up to where you are going and takes you where you want to go and you get

out again. I'm talking a few years in the future, but clearly, that,

you know, that model is being studied and developed rapidly and a

lot of money is being put into it. So I'm clear, Robert, there will be

no human being in that car in the future? No. Wow! There won't need to

be. Knoll. Already, I have been in two cars, my car parks itself, I

have seen another car where you get out in front of the hotel and the

car drives off and parks itself! You don't have to park it and when you

come out of the hotel you press a button on your phone and the car

comes and picks you up. I saw that a couple of years ago. I think it will

arrive incrementally. My car can park itself now. I stand next to it

while it does it so I won't have to stand next to it. Slowly, but slowly

and it will be generational. Our generation will have real problems

adjusting to that new reality, but I think younger generations less so.

Rebecca, what do you think of that idea? Well, it does save on parking

conundrums, doesn't it? You won't have to drive around looking for

parking spaces. You could fill all the space in the car park. All the

cars can communicate so when one person needs car A which is over

there, they can move and that car can come out. The car park owners

might not like that! Because you can, there won't be a demand, but I

think it is a good idea. Thank you very much. Very interesting, thank

you for coming on the programme. Coverage of the Queen's Speech on

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"Stay at home on benefits like all other teeenage mums,"

the words of one manager to his employee who was due to come

Just one example of the kind of discrimination

And new research today reveals that women under 25 are six times more

likely to lose their jobs that any other age group

According to the Equality And Human Rights Commission,

15% felt under pressure to hand their notice in and one

quarter said it had an effect on their health and stress levels.

Laura Davies says she was forced out of her job when she became pregnant

Chrisi Franks says having children in her early 20s has

Karen Jockelson is director of the Employment Programme

for the Equality and Human Rights Commission, who are behind

And Carl Reader is an employer who says maternity leave

You were studying and in a part-time job when you got pregnant, what

happened? They were hostile, they turned around and said, are you

making the right decision, you will bring the team down sales rise, you

will not hit your targets, are you sure this isn't what you want to do?

They actually said those words to you, or is that what you felt the

vibes were? It was a mixture between the vibes and when I was going to

appointment I was told I would not be eating my targets because I was

skipping shipped. I felt I needed to put my all into my job but also pull

back and look after myself. And did you think at the time, this is

discrimination, this is outrageous? Yes and no. I thought something

didn't really sit right, but whenever I had bought things up in

the past with managers about discrimination, it all got brushed

under the carpet. I thought that I was just being a bit over the top

about it all. After maternity leave, you wanted to go back but it seemed

clear they were not really going to welcome you back with open arms?

Yes, I wanted to go back, otherwise I didn't have a job, and I rely on

my job to bathe everything, but when I went back in they told me that

there wasn't a job for me, I should go home and sit on benefits like

other junk bonds and I should be focusing on my child's rather than

working. -- like other young mothers. I felt I was a bad mum by

wanting to provide for my child. Let me bring in Karen. What do you think

of that story? It is all for, not entirely surprising. It is something

we founded our research. As you said earlier, young mothers are more

likely than other mothers to experience such pressure that they

feel forced or have to leave their jobs. How do we explain that they

are six times more likely to feel under this pressure than older

women? Some of it might be to do with employer attitudes. We asked

employers about their perceptions and although many of them said they

thought women played a valuable role in the workplace, when we questioned

them more closely there was a sizeable proportion who felt they

should have the right to ask women what their plans were around having

children or whether they were pregnant, they felt once a woman had

decided to have a child she was no longer committed to her work. Women

said completely the opposite, they said even having a child they were

still committed, still wanted to do the best for their employer. Carl,

as an employer, I'm assuming you don't speak to your female staff

like that or you probably would not be here on television! Absolutely

not, no, we do not speak to our stuff like that, and if we did we

would not have the business we have got. But there are issues when it

comes to people who run companies filling in behind when somebody goes

on maternity leave, and you would like perhaps a bit more openness

from women when they are pregnant, is that fair? It is a challenge,

because, as a small-business owner, we have mixed emotions when we hear

a staff member is pregnant, so we know them all so we are delighted

for them personally but we know there is a reality that we have got

a period of a maximum of three months to plan, take someone in to

train them up, replace them for the period they are off, and whilst

staff members might sometimes know their intentions afterwards but the

nature often changes, we cannot help medical issues out of our control,

so we have two employ people on a temporary basis, they often end up

being very good as well, so we can often accept the returning weather

and also keep the tempo. What would make it easier for you, women

telling you a earlier they were pregnant and wanted maternity leave,

and telling you earlier when they are coming back? Being told early

helps, however just openness throughout the process. Things

change. You have heard from Laura's story, you will understand why some

people keep it quiet because of that treatment? Yes, and it is

disgraceful, there is no need for that. Chrisi, you were 25 when you

had your first child... 24 when I was pregnant. You feel you were

effectively sidelined for a period of years when you are having

children by various bosses? I found it a big challenge trying to compete

with my peers in the workplace who did not have children. I was

objectively and in turn when I became pregnant, my partner was

older than me, had a stable job and was delighted when I became

pregnant, and so I was probably a bit naive about the challenges I

would base. I think I'm a graduate 's trainee starting salary it became

unaffordable for me to return to work for a period of time -- on a

graduate trainee starting salary. Returning to work when I was a bit

older, having had a second child, I was then at a much lower grade than

my peers, which was hard from a personal perspective. But isn't that

fair enough, because you were out of the workplace for a few years, so

while people are not having children they might be being promoted? That

is true, but I don't think the experience you gain as a parent is

experience, I was also doing freelancing and doing bits of work

while I was off, but I think for me the challenge was going into roles

where I had not been there for very long and so I think that makes your

working situation a lot more precarious, it is much easier for

people to get rid of you, it means that you don't necessarily have the

trust to work from home. For example, in one situation, I was

offered working from home for one day but one minor technical hitch

meant it was pulled by an inexperienced manager who was

younger than me he did not understand the challenges I was

facing at that time. That could have been just because you had a rubbish

boss? It might not be that bosses don't particularly like women who

have got children or when they become pregnant? I think it depends

on the industry and the size of the organisation. For bigger

organisations, I have not found having that flexibility in my

working life has been an issue. But they have but big a chart is not an

excuse, but they are well across employment law, they should be

treating people equally -- they have big human resources departments.

When you find a job, in this implement market, it can be quite

challenging just to get in, you need to be treated in a similar web

regardless of the size of the organisation. If I may go back to

your point, small businesses, you are right it is down to bad boss or

good boss. I advise people on this sort of thing and it sounds like you

have had micromanagement and a fear of allowing you to do your own thing

and trust to allow you to perform your role, and without that,

unfortunately, this discrimination can occur. We would find that was

also demonstrated in our research, it was very evident that when there

were human resources policies in place and women had a manager they

could be open with and was empathetic they were able to resolve

these issues will stop it is like you were saying from your own

experiences about having open conversations early and the reason

that is important for women is you need to declare your pregnancy for

the legal rights to kick in, for you to be protected, and then you also

have certain obligations to talk about how you would like to take

maternity leave when you reach a round the six-month point. There

needs to be open conversations about what you need as an employee as much