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We'll be live on the Greece-Macedonian border. | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
Children as young as six are being called witches | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
by their own families and enduring exorcisms to dispel | :00:29. | :00:30. | |
We will hear from victims who were subjected | :00:31. | :00:33. | |
Anything goes wrong in that family, I was the responsibility for it. | :00:34. | :00:46. | |
So it wasn't anything about, like, genuine life problems, | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
Rising levels of violence, self-harm and suicide behind bars | :00:50. | :00:58. | |
threaten to severely undermine the government's prisons overhaul. | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
We'll be talking to ex-inmates, one of whom was stabbed whilst inside. | :01:02. | :01:16. | |
If you're getting in touch, do use the hashtag VictoriaLive | :01:17. | :01:23. | |
and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
A little later in the programme we'll be talking to a woman whose | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
mum was so scared she had dementia she wouldn't go | :01:31. | :01:32. | |
We have the last one of our films by our brilliant Leicester fans | :01:33. | :01:39. | |
who have been looking back over the past two incredible weeks | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
for the club and we'll look ahead to Roy Hodgson's squad announcement | :01:43. | :01:44. | |
If you support England, tell me which strikers you want | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
in the squad and would you start with Wayne Rooney? | :01:49. | :01:51. | |
Would you take Wayne Rooney to France? | :01:52. | :01:53. | |
Our top story today: Officials in Greece say migrant arrivals | :01:54. | :01:59. | |
to the country have dropped to a trickle because of the deal | :02:00. | :02:02. | |
between the EU and Turkey which discourages asylum seekers. | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
However, tens of thousands of people are still stranded in Greece hoping | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
to get to other parts of the continent. | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
The Greek administration has said it needs other EU governments to help. | :02:13. | :02:22. | |
large number of refugees are living near the border between Greece and | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
Macedonia. Tell us about the conditions that people are living | :02:29. | :02:35. | |
in. There are more than 9000 people here in the camp behind me. This is | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
the border with Macedonia, which is to the right of where I am standing. | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
Many of the people here have been in the camp for more than two months | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
now. The last time the border open was on the 23rd of February, and | :02:51. | :02:53. | |
after that nobody has been able to get through from here. These are | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
just people waiting, hoping to get across the border. This is not given | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
an official camp recognised by the Greek government. These are just | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
people living in tents. They cook outside. Food is provided to them by | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
charities. But the Greek government does want to move them to what | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
artificial camps because they feel they can provide them with better | :03:16. | :03:25. | |
facilities. -- to official camps. It is difficult to move people because | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
they want to be near the border because they want to go to the rest | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
of Europe. And also they are worried about conditions in the other camps | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
as well as whether or not they will be open camps, where they can walk | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
in or out, like this is. So what will happen to those people? Well, | :03:42. | :03:49. | |
they are trying to shift these people out into official camps and | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
the government has said there are facilities ready for about 11,000 | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
people, which should pretty much take all of the population here. | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
That should be ready in a few weeks' time. However, that is not a | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
permanent solution. It is temporary. These people, most of them don't | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
want to stay in Greece. They want to go to other countries in Europe. I | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
asked a spokesman for the Greek government what the plan was, and he | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
says they are planning to relocate 66,000 people in Greece, but the | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
process is taking a very long time. Greece is expecting that other | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
European governments will make that process quicker. Thank you. And now | :04:29. | :04:36. | |
we can get a summary of the rest of the news from Joanna in the BBC | :04:37. | :04:37. | |
newsroom. Hello. A full inquiry into how a fake bomb | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
used in a training exercise came to be left at Manchester United's | :04:42. | :04:44. | |
stadium is being demanded by the city's mayor and Police | :04:45. | :04:46. | |
and Crime Commissioner. Tens of thousands of fans had to be | :04:47. | :04:49. | |
evacuated from Old Trafford yesterday, shortly before United's | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
game against Bournemouth. Our sports news correspondent, | :04:54. | :04:54. | |
Andy Swiss, reports. PA ANNOUNCER: Due to the discovery | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
of a suspicious package in the north-west quadrant | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
of the ground, the match has been abandoned for | :05:01. | :05:02. | |
today on police advice. It prompted the evacuation | :05:03. | :05:04. | |
of a stadium, the postponement And in the end, it was | :05:05. | :05:06. | |
just a training device. But no-one knew that at three | :05:07. | :05:13. | |
o'clock yesterday afternoon, when first two stands and then | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
the whole of Old Trafford were emptied, after a suspect | :05:17. | :05:18. | |
package was found. Reports that the bomb squad have | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
been arriving, here we are, Fans were praised for their calmness | :05:25. | :05:26. | |
and composure as bomb disposal experts carried out | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
a controlled explosion. But late last night, | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
police confirmed the item device which had accidentally been | :05:36. | :05:37. | |
left by a private company following a training exercise | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
involving explosives search dogs. For two fans who had | :05:44. | :05:45. | |
come over from Dallas, a 9000-mile round trip, | :05:46. | :05:53. | |
just to see the game, the news was All we can do is laugh, | :05:54. | :05:56. | |
but on the inside How can it be something that simple, | :05:57. | :05:59. | |
just something that got So, on Tuesday night, | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
the teams and the fans will return here, hoping finally to see | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
this fixture played. In the meantime, the authorities | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
will be trying to get to the bottom Our reporter Jayne McCubbin | :06:13. | :06:15. | |
is outside the stadium. That fan selling it up when he asked | :06:16. | :06:33. | |
how it can be that simple. What more do we know about the device? Huge | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
embarrassment for this world-famous club. What we know this morning is | :06:38. | :06:45. | |
that this was not a bomb, not a hoax replica, but a training device, as | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
you heard in that report, and we know it was left by a private | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
security force that had been brought in to help with sniffer dog training | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
here at Old Trafford. We know that the last sniffer dog training took | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
place last Wednesday and we know that that device was found in a | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
public toilet inside the stadium. This was treated so seriously | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
because of course the UK is on a heightened security alert at the | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
moment. We are told that a terrorist attack on the UK is extremely | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
likely. And that is why this event yesterday became the first match in | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
the history of the Premier League to be cancelled because of security | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
concerns. Because of that heightened sense of security. A huge training | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
operation took place less than a mile away in the Trafford centre | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
last week, no wonder it was taken so seriously, but what an embarrassment | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
for this club. And presumably quite expensive? What will it cost? | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
Absolutely. The estimated cost is upwards of ?3 million because the | :07:51. | :07:53. | |
club has agreed to compensate everybody for their ticket prices | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
and they have got to restage the match tomorrow night at 8pm, and | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
they will have to pay for the policing of that event all over | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
again. A huge embarrassment. The Police and Crime Commissioner Tony | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
Lloyd is saying it is an outrage, a fiasco, and he wants a public | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
inquiry into how this could have happened. Not just that the device | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
was left at Old Trafford in the first place but how it was missed by | :08:17. | :08:22. | |
the security staff before fans were allowed inside, before players took | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
to the pitch yesterday. Lots of red faces behind my shoulders today. | :08:27. | :08:28. | |
Thank you. There's a warning that safety | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
in prisons in England and Wales has deteriorated rapidly | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
in the past year. MPs say they're concerned | :08:37. | :08:37. | |
about a soaring rise in suicides, attacks on staff, and serious | :08:38. | :08:39. | |
assaults in the last 12 months. The Justice Committee said that | :08:40. | :08:42. | |
improvement was urgently needed. Ministers say that | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
improvements are being made. University tuition fees in England | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
are likely to rise for students Under plans expected to be revealed | :08:52. | :08:53. | |
by the government today, universities will face greater | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
scrutiny of the quality It will also become easier | :08:58. | :08:59. | |
to open new universities. But Labour has warned there aren't | :09:00. | :09:08. | |
enough controls to stop too Natalie Bennett is to step down | :09:09. | :09:10. | |
as the leader of the Green Party. She has announced she won't stand | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
for re-election after her second two-year spell comes | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
to an end in August. The Australian former journalist | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
told The Guardian newspaper that she got some things wrong | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
because she isn't what she calls a smooth, spin-trained, | :09:24. | :09:26. | |
lifelong politician. Talks will continue later | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
between the government and union representatives over | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
the controversial new junior The negotiations, which are being | :09:36. | :09:36. | |
hosted by the conciliation service Acas, were scheduled | :09:37. | :09:44. | |
to finish last week, The medics have held | :09:45. | :09:46. | |
a series of strikes over the new working terms, | :09:47. | :09:49. | |
which ministers have said The group which represents big | :09:50. | :09:51. | |
business in the UK has cut its economic growth forecast | :09:52. | :09:58. | |
for this year and next. The CBI said the uncertainty over | :09:59. | :10:00. | |
whether UK will remain part of the European Union was having | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
a tangible impact on spending plans. It predicted the economy would grow | :10:04. | :10:10. | |
by 2% in 2016 and 2017, down from a previous forecast | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
of 2.3% and 2.1% respectively. Tens of thousands of British | :10:15. | :10:21. | |
investors who lost money when the Spanish property market | :10:22. | :10:23. | |
collapsed, could be Spain's Supreme Court has ruled that | :10:24. | :10:25. | |
banks should pay back all deposits lost by those who bought | :10:26. | :10:31. | |
off-plan apartments. Our Business Correspondent Joe | :10:32. | :10:33. | |
Lynam has the details. For many it was to be their dream | :10:34. | :10:44. | |
home. Endless sunshine and great value, but the Spanish property boom | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
all went wrong in 2008. Thousands of British investors lost a fortune | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
when they paid large deposits to secure apartments being built off | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
plans. But when the developers went bust, as many did, all those cash | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
deposits were lost. Stephanie Davies and her ailing husband handed over | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
77,000 euros to a Spanish developer to secure her dream home by the | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
Mediterranean. She lost it all. Absolutely gutted. It is an awful | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
amount of money to lose. We just couldn't believe it, I suppose. My | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
husband got so pale and all that mattered was him, really. He was in | :11:21. | :11:26. | |
and out of hospital. It was a horrible illness. To be quite | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
honest, the money was the least of our worries. But Stephanie's luck | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
might be turning. A new ruling in Spain said that the bank should have | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
protected all deposits when developers went bust and the | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
repercussions could be huge. There is no official date but one law firm | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
believes that up to 100,000 British investors could be in line for a | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
rebate, which could mean an average pay-out of ?20,000 from each of | :11:52. | :11:55. | |
plans investor. The whole thing could cost Spanish banks at least | :11:56. | :12:02. | |
?15 billion. Now there is a real possibility to recover the money. It | :12:03. | :12:05. | |
was impossible to win it back from the property developers in most | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
places but now you can claim from the bank that they have the | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
resources to pay the money back. For British investors, should they be | :12:13. | :12:15. | |
quietly confident that they will get the money back? Yes. But as lawyers | :12:16. | :12:22. | |
we can never say 100%. While investors like Stephanie can be | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
optimistic, Spanish banks will not pay out easily. If they don't fight, | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
the potential cost of these claims could wipe some of them out. | :12:30. | :12:32. | |
Dame Helen Mirren, Kylie Minogue, and Ant and Dec have joined forces | :12:33. | :12:35. | |
to help celebrate the Queen's 90th birthday in a pageant | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
Her Majesty arrived in the Diamond Jubilee state coach | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
before taking her seat for the show which featured nearly a thousand | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
The Queen and Duke of Edinburgh arriving in the grounds | :12:46. | :12:52. | |
This to be a particularly special night in the continuing celebrations | :12:53. | :12:58. | |
A pageant involving 900 horses and 1500 people | :12:59. | :13:05. | |
from around the world, putting on a spectacular display. | :13:06. | :13:14. | |
And at a breathtaking pace, with the soldiers | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
The musical performances, including with opera | :13:19. | :13:26. | |
singer Katherine Jenkins, providing a brief | :13:27. | :13:28. | |
Whilst most of the performers came from Britain or the Commonwealth, | :13:29. | :13:36. | |
there were some show-stealing appearances by, | :13:37. | :13:39. | |
amongst others, the women of the Royal Cavalry of Oman, | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
and then the Karabakh riders from Azerbaijan took | :13:44. | :13:45. | |
This pageant featured scenes from the Queen's life and times, | :13:46. | :13:53. | |
from the Second World War to the Highland Games. | :13:54. | :14:01. | |
And the finale featured, of course, a giant birthday | :14:02. | :14:03. | |
Richard Galpin, BBC News. Looks like a good show. Back to you, Victoria. | :14:04. | :14:27. | |
Thank you. Good morning. It is quarter past nine. | :14:28. | :14:35. | |
First this morning, witchcraft in the UK. | :14:36. | :14:36. | |
You may find it difficult Quite widely with mild nights to come. | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
to believe but there are families in this country | :14:40. | :14:41. | |
who believe their own child is a witch. | :14:42. | :14:43. | |
It means children are being exorcised in order to dispel | :14:44. | :14:46. | |
Experts say it's abuse and that children are being subjected | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
to horrific treatment during exorcisms, ranging | :14:50. | :14:51. | |
from chilli being rubbed into their eyes or genitals, | :14:52. | :14:53. | |
Last year the Metropolitan Police dealt with 60 cases, | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
an increase of over 50% compared with three years earlier. | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
Labour MP Catherine McKinnell is worried that cases involving | :15:01. | :15:03. | |
witchcraft aren't being recorded properly and she's going to raise it | :15:04. | :15:06. | |
with other MPs who sit with her on the Education Select | :15:07. | :15:09. | |
Our reporter Noel Philips is the first journalist to be given | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
exclusive access to social workers in Tower Hamlets in London | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
as they discuss the case of one six-year-old girl whose parents | :15:18. | :15:19. | |
His film contains some disturbing images and lasts | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
This is what some people believe being possessed | :15:25. | :15:35. | |
I give you order, in the name of Jesus. | :15:36. | :15:45. | |
Here this British bishop is carrying out a deliverance ceremony | :15:46. | :15:52. | |
in South Africa for a young girl he believes is | :15:53. | :15:55. | |
It's a craft, that's why it's called witchcraft. | :15:56. | :16:13. | |
It was a nightmare, it's something that I don't think any | :16:14. | :16:16. | |
It is abuse, children are damaged by it, frightened and sometimes | :16:17. | :16:23. | |
This is more prominent, in my view, than ever. | :16:24. | :16:58. | |
Mardoche has first-hand experience of this kind of abuse. | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
He's 24-years-old but was accused of being a witch | :17:04. | :17:05. | |
This was me, and these are more pictures. | :17:06. | :17:12. | |
He came to London from the Congo to live with his extended family. | :17:13. | :17:15. | |
This is the first time he is telling his story | :17:16. | :17:17. | |
about being accused of eating human flesh and killing his own mum, | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
I got accused of killing my own mother. | :17:22. | :17:28. | |
The mum that brought you into this world, | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
I was accused of flying at night, eating people. | :17:34. | :17:46. | |
The baby crying at night and all that stuff, and I got | :17:47. | :17:48. | |
I was going to their room, flying in their room, like a spirit. | :17:49. | :17:57. | |
Like my body was still in my bedroom but my spirit was out, | :17:58. | :18:00. | |
His extended family made plans to send him back to the Congo | :18:01. | :18:11. | |
for an exorcism in 2005, as it was the only way | :18:12. | :18:14. | |
they thought he could be cured, but his school alerted social | :18:15. | :18:17. | |
workers at Islington Council, who he claims were considering going | :18:18. | :18:19. | |
They were telling me, you need to go back. | :18:20. | :18:26. | |
The pastor was saying I needed to go back. | :18:27. | :18:28. | |
The headteacher, she didn't really get it at all, she didn't | :18:29. | :18:30. | |
understand it, so she said, I can't write this letter | :18:31. | :18:42. | |
for you guys to send this kid back because I don't believe | :18:43. | :18:44. | |
So, yeah, that's how she got the social services involved. | :18:45. | :18:50. | |
Do you think the social services understood what they were | :18:51. | :18:53. | |
That's when they took quite a long time to make the decision, | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
I want to know how my life would be now... | :18:58. | :19:04. | |
I don't think I would be here, but I don't know, to be honest. | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
But the idea that they were actually, | :19:09. | :19:10. | |
But despite his ordeal, Mardoche refuses to live | :19:11. | :19:19. | |
For the first time in 12 years, he's come back to the home | :19:20. | :19:27. | |
He felt he had to return in order to move on. | :19:28. | :19:34. | |
In my mind I was a prisoner, so I didn't really know, | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
I was hoping, relying on social services or whatever. | :19:39. | :19:47. | |
Islington Council has told us that social workers acted | :19:48. | :19:58. | |
swiftly to remove Mardoche from his extended family, | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
and they would never support a child being sent for a deliverance | :20:03. | :20:05. | |
What would have happened to Mardoche if he had been sent back | :20:06. | :20:18. | |
I have witnessed exorcisms take place in Africa, | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
where the children have been really seriously physically abused. | :20:22. | :20:24. | |
I've personally witnessed and researched where children out | :20:25. | :20:27. | |
there have gone through terrible physical abuse, from fasting | :20:28. | :20:29. | |
of water and food for three days, through to being bent double | :20:30. | :20:35. | |
and forced to vomit out the so-called witchcraft, | :20:36. | :20:37. | |
right through, I have seen pastors cutting children with razor blades | :20:38. | :20:40. | |
He would have been in real mortal danger, if he'd been sent back. | :20:41. | :20:47. | |
Doctor Richard Hoskins is an expert who was involved in Mardoche's case. | :20:48. | :20:50. | |
He claims Islington Council had asked him to travel to the Congo, | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
to find out what would happen if Mardoche was sent back. | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
I see, I see, two spirits of evil standing at the back... | :20:58. | :21:08. | |
Now a quick look online is all it takes to see religious leaders | :21:09. | :21:11. | |
like Doctor Charles Motondo, carrying out deliverance ceremonies. | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
He runs the Grace Faith Ministries in Leeds, and travels across the UK | :21:16. | :21:22. | |
and Africa helping young people possessed by the devil. | :21:23. | :21:25. | |
He says it is a full-time job, which he has been | :21:26. | :21:28. | |
We believe in the power of prayer, to heal any form | :21:29. | :21:37. | |
Christopher Okworu is a pharmacist by day, and a pastor by night. | :21:38. | :21:43. | |
He says deliverance ceremonies have been around for hundreds of years. | :21:44. | :21:51. | |
It's a craft, that's why it's called witchcraft. | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
Casting out demons is not a new thing. | :21:57. | :22:07. | |
It's a practice that has been going on for | :22:08. | :22:09. | |
What we do, we adhere strongly to the word of God. | :22:10. | :22:23. | |
But there are many faith leaders and parents who take matters | :22:24. | :22:26. | |
Victoria Climbie and Kristy Bamu were brutally murdered | :22:27. | :22:35. | |
by their families here in the UK, who thought they were setting them | :22:36. | :22:38. | |
Kristy's death in 2010 drew attention to the fact that some | :22:39. | :22:41. | |
children are still at risk from so-called traditional beliefs. | :22:42. | :22:44. | |
What do you do if somebody walks in with their ten-year-old child | :22:45. | :22:47. | |
and says, "Pastor, I believe my son or daughter is a witch"? | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
Yes, what we do in cases like that is to commit the family | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
I believe in cases of young children, you know, | :22:56. | :23:02. | |
I will not decide straight away or take issues, | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
We've seen evidence which shows some parents taking their children | :23:08. | :23:19. | |
abroad to kill them of their so-called evil spirits. | :23:20. | :23:22. | |
A 12-year-old girl was flown from Gatwick Airport | :23:23. | :23:24. | |
The authorities are meant to keep their eyes open | :23:25. | :23:30. | |
for children like her, but she slipped through the net. | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
And it has since emerged, in her serious case review, | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
that airport officials were given an anonymous tip off | :23:38. | :23:40. | |
that she was being sent back home because she was suspected | :23:41. | :23:42. | |
I've come to meet Professor Jean La Fontaine, who recently studied more | :23:43. | :23:49. | |
than 30 cases reported to the Metropolitan Police. | :23:50. | :23:52. | |
She says in half the cases that she's looked at, | :23:53. | :23:54. | |
parents were responsible of accusing their own | :23:55. | :23:56. | |
They may have chili rubbed into their eyes, | :23:57. | :24:07. | |
or other parts of the body which will hurt them. | :24:08. | :24:10. | |
Very often accused by, almost entirely accused by members | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
of their own family, which is damaging in itself. | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
It's a terrible thing for a child to be seriously accused | :24:20. | :24:21. | |
And mothers will accuse their own children which is something | :24:22. | :24:27. | |
Just how concerned are you about this kind of abuse happening? | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
Terrible things happen, and in Africa even worse things, | :24:33. | :24:34. | |
because children may be thrown into the streets | :24:35. | :24:36. | |
This doesn't happen here, but children may be neglected | :24:37. | :24:44. | |
The extended family of mum and dad, have a belief system that the victim | :24:45. | :25:00. | |
in this case was actually spiritually possessed... | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
So what is it like for social workers dealing with | :25:06. | :25:08. | |
I've been given exclusive access to Tower Hamlets African Children | :25:09. | :25:11. | |
Today they are discussing a recent case involving a six-year-old girl, | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
whose family believe she was a witch. | :25:17. | :25:25. | |
The cases are on the increase because as I said, when one | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
case gets highlighted, people's eyes are opened. | :25:31. | :25:33. | |
It's not an issue, in my view, that we can sit back and say | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
is going to go away, it's not going to go away. | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
Most primary schools would be unfamiliar with a lot | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
of the spiritual elements with which this child is confronted. | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
So I think our priority from this meeting has to be that someone | :25:46. | :25:48. | |
with expertise in these matters contacts the school | :25:49. | :25:50. | |
I don't think the majority of parents are aware | :25:51. | :25:53. | |
I think most of the parents are looking for answers, | :25:54. | :25:56. | |
in addressing the needs of these children that are presenting | :25:57. | :26:00. | |
problems to them that they can't handle. | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
And there are some parents, their way of dealing with it is just | :26:07. | :26:09. | |
removing the child out of this country. | :26:10. | :26:15. | |
The six-year-old in this family, what is life like for her, | :26:16. | :26:17. | |
We have to think about the system, and in this case the system is | :26:18. | :26:23. | |
How can a family demonise a child to a point that they say | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
I have seen the impact witchcraft can have on children. | :26:29. | :26:34. | |
Mardoche was the only person willing to talk to me on camera, | :26:35. | :26:37. | |
because so many are afraid and are suffering in silence. | :26:38. | :26:44. | |
So many kids are losing their lives because they are not | :26:45. | :26:46. | |
I was very lucky to be strong enough to survive it. | :26:47. | :26:53. | |
But there are so many questions that need answering. | :26:54. | :26:54. | |
Why are children being abused because of traditional faith | :26:55. | :26:57. | |
What can be done to stop it happening? | :26:58. | :27:05. | |
Professor Jean La Fontaine believes not enough is being done | :27:06. | :27:06. | |
to tackle the problem, and is now calling for a helpline | :27:07. | :27:09. | |
I would like to enable children to report it themselves. | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
A well funded helpline, which they could access | :27:15. | :27:17. | |
easily and for free, would enable children to report | :27:18. | :27:24. | |
somebody who had accused them of witchcraft and | :27:25. | :27:27. | |
At the moment they are completely silenced, and until the damage done | :27:28. | :27:36. | |
to them is very serious, nobody knows they're being accused. | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
So I would like to empower children to tell us. | :27:42. | :27:48. | |
And just after 10am, we'll be speak to someone who says | :27:49. | :28:10. | |
she was branded a witch and abused as a child as well as | :28:11. | :28:13. | |
an organisation supporting victims of witchcraft accusations. | :28:14. | :28:18. | |
Warnings over rising instances of violence, | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
We'll be asking what needs to be done to keep prisoners safe. | :28:24. | :28:31. | |
It has been their greatest season ever. | :28:32. | :28:34. | |
We'll bring you the story of Leicester City's incredible | :28:35. | :28:36. | |
Premier League success told through the eyes of two | :28:37. | :28:39. | |
of their biggest supporters in the fans' diary. | :28:40. | :28:47. | |
It is time for the latest news headlines. Here is Joanna. | :28:48. | :28:53. | |
Migrant arrivals to Greece have dropped to a trickle | :28:54. | :28:55. | |
because of the deal between the EU and Turkey which discourages asylum | :28:56. | :28:58. | |
But tens of thousands of people are still stranded in Greece hoping | :28:59. | :29:03. | |
to get to other parts of the continent. | :29:04. | :29:04. | |
The Greek administration has said it needs other EU governments to help. | :29:05. | :29:10. | |
A full inquiry into how a fake bomb used in a training exercise came | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
to be left at Manchester United's stadium is being demanded | :29:15. | :29:16. | |
by the city's mayor and Police and Crime Commissioner. | :29:17. | :29:19. | |
Tens of thousands of fans had to be evacuated from Old Trafford | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
yesterday, shortly before United's game against Bournemouth. | :29:24. | :29:33. | |
Child welfare experts are warning about children being subjected to | :29:34. | :29:39. | |
horrific treatment because their families believe they are witches. | :29:40. | :29:46. | |
Children are exorcised in order to dispel what their parents believe | :29:47. | :29:52. | |
are evil spirits. Last year the Metropolitan Police | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
dealt with 60 cases an increase of over 50% compared with three years | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
earlier. There are fears cases involving witchcraft are not being | :30:02. | :30:02. | |
recorded properly. Anything goes wrong in that family, | :30:03. | :30:05. | |
I was the responsibility for it. So it wasn't anything about, like, | :30:06. | :30:08. | |
genuine life problems. There's a warning that safety | :30:09. | :30:10. | |
in prisons in England and Wales has deteriorated rapidly | :30:11. | :30:19. | |
in the past year. MPs say they're concerned | :30:20. | :30:21. | |
about a soaring rise in suicides, attacks on staff, and serious | :30:22. | :30:24. | |
assaults in the last 12 months. The Justice Committee said that | :30:25. | :30:26. | |
improvement was urgently needed. Ministers say that | :30:27. | :30:28. | |
improvements are being made. University tuition fees in England | :30:29. | :30:37. | |
are likely to rise for students Under plans expected to be revealed | :30:38. | :30:39. | |
by the Government today, universities will face greater | :30:40. | :30:48. | |
scrutiny of the quality It will also become easier | :30:49. | :30:50. | |
to open new universities. But Labour has warned there aren't | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
enough controls to stop too Natalie Bennett is to step down | :30:55. | :30:56. | |
as the leader of the Green Party. She has announced she won't stand | :30:57. | :31:06. | |
for re-election after her second two-year spell comes | :31:07. | :31:09. | |
to an end in August. The Australian former journalist | :31:10. | :31:11. | |
told The Guardian newspaper that she got some things wrong | :31:12. | :31:13. | |
because she isn't what she calls a smooth, spin-trained, | :31:14. | :31:16. | |
lifelong politician. That's a summary of | :31:17. | :31:17. | |
the latest BBC News. More Natalie Bennett in a moment. | :31:18. | :31:33. | |
First the messages from you on the witchcraft film. Stewart says all | :31:34. | :31:36. | |
this nonsense in the name of religion. This is the 21st century. | :31:37. | :31:41. | |
We have a new religion now and it is called science. Red Queen tweets | :31:42. | :31:47. | |
this. Accusing children of being witches or possessed by demons | :31:48. | :31:50. | |
should be a criminal offence. That will come up in our conversation | :31:51. | :31:56. | |
later. Peter said the piece on witchcraft is really interesting. | :31:57. | :32:00. | |
Robert says, rest of the deluded pastors and let them feel the full | :32:01. | :32:07. | |
weight of the law. -- arrest. And Maria is an England fan. Roy Hodgson | :32:08. | :32:19. | |
is announcing his squad live at 11 o'clock and BBC News will show it | :32:20. | :32:25. | |
first. She says she wouldn't take Wayne Rooney but she would take | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
Marcus Rashford. What does Jessica think? Can you hear me? Would you | :32:30. | :32:35. | |
take Wayne Rooney and would you take Marcus Rashford? That is the | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
question. Marcus Rashford has done very well for himself. Nobody | :32:40. | :32:42. | |
expected him to do as well as he has done but is he ready for a major | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
tournament when he is so young? I don't know. He is 18. He is a | :32:47. | :32:53. | |
grown-up! Wayne Rooney is the captain of England and can you | :32:54. | :32:57. | |
really leave him behind? No. And you probably wouldn't want to if you | :32:58. | :33:01. | |
were a proper England supporter. Take it away, Jessica. The record | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
books have been written in Formula One by Max Verstappen, the youngest | :33:06. | :33:12. | |
driver to win a Grand Prix aged 18 years and 228 days. He started the | :33:13. | :33:16. | |
Grand Prix in Spain in fourth but took advantage after this crash | :33:17. | :33:19. | |
between Mercedes team-mates Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton on the | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
opening lap. Even more remarkable, it was Max Verstappen's debut race | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
for Red Bull after only being promoted to the team last month. It | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
feels amazing. I can't believe it. It was a great race and I have to | :33:34. | :33:37. | |
say thank you to the team for giving me such a great car. To win | :33:38. | :33:42. | |
straightaway in the first race is an amazing feeling. You heard about the | :33:43. | :33:46. | |
events at Old Trafford earlier, which overshadowed the fact that it | :33:47. | :33:50. | |
was the final day of the Premier League season. Manchester City all | :33:51. | :33:53. | |
but secured their spot in the Champions League next season with a | :33:54. | :33:54. | |
1-1 draw at Swansea City. 19-year-old Kelly Iheanacho gave | :33:55. | :34:10. | |
City the lead after just five minutes but Andre Ayew's deflected | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
free kick levelled the game just before half-time. City couldn't find | :34:15. | :34:17. | |
a winner but will finish fourth unless Manchester United beat | :34:18. | :34:25. | |
Bournemouth by 19 goals on Tuesday. Newcastle fans gave manager Rafael | :34:26. | :34:29. | |
Benitez a standing ovation after thrashing Tottenham Hotspur 5-1. | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
Three of the Newcastle goals that St James' Park came after striker | :34:34. | :34:36. | |
Alexander Mitchell of it had been sent off in the second half. Rafa | :34:37. | :34:39. | |
Benitez has a break clause in his contract but hasn't decided his | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
future yet. Tottenham Hotspur's defeat meant Arsenal finished second | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
in the league for the first time since 2005 and ahead of their north | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
London rivals. Olivier Giroud scored a hat-trick in a 4-0 win over | :34:52. | :34:58. | |
relegated Aston Villa. The fact that we didn't give up when we were under | :34:59. | :35:01. | |
huge pressure, we kept our togetherness, but that is part of | :35:02. | :35:07. | |
the DNA of this club. We did that until the last minute of the season. | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
That is why we are in front of them. It was Celtic manager Ronny Deila's | :35:13. | :35:25. | |
last game in charge. Celtic beat Motherwell 7-0 in the Scottish | :35:26. | :35:28. | |
Premiership and 16-year-old substitute Jack Atchison became | :35:29. | :35:33. | |
Celtic's youngest ever player and goal-scorer, its glory with his | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
first touch. It is Celtic's fifth title in a row. A week before the | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
French Open and on his 29th birthday, Andy Murray chalked up a | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
notable victory over his rival Novak Djokovic at the Rome Masters. And it | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
was thrilling. Watch this. The first time Andy Murray has beaten Novak | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
Djokovic in their last 14 meetings. Bring on the French Open. World | :35:59. | :36:01. | |
number one Serena Williams claimed the women's title in Rome, beating | :36:02. | :36:06. | |
compatriot Madison Keys in straight sets for her first tournament win in | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
nine months. Tom Daley secured the third individual ten metre European | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
Championships gold of his career with a stunning performance at the | :36:16. | :36:18. | |
Aquatics championships in London. His medal adds to the mixed three | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
metres synchronised gold and men's ten metres synchronised silver he | :36:23. | :36:26. | |
won in the past week. Yesterday there was silver medals for Rebecca | :36:27. | :36:30. | |
Gallantree and Alysia blag in the synchronised three metres | :36:31. | :36:47. | |
springboard. -- Alicia Blagg we will have the headlines for you at ten | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
o'clock. Thank you. What is happening? It is all happening here. | :36:52. | :36:53. | |
Our studio died. OK, thank you. As we've been hearing in the news, | :36:54. | :36:58. | |
Natalie Bennett is stepping down Our political guru Norman Smith | :36:59. | :37:01. | |
is in Westminster for us. She has had some successes. They had | :37:02. | :37:12. | |
their best ever election result last time and they have many more party | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
members and they have got MEPs, but it didn't really happen for her. | :37:17. | :37:19. | |
When we were preparing this item, I said to my colleague that we had to | :37:20. | :37:24. | |
get some material together on Natalie Brown. Of course that is not | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
her name. That tells us two things. Firstly that I have a shocking | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
memory, but also that he did not really carve out much of a profile. | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
When you are the leader of a smaller party, you have got to shout from | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
the rooftops. Somebody likes Nigel Farage, he gets himself on the news. | :37:42. | :37:47. | |
She never really managed that and she also suffered from former | :37:48. | :37:50. | |
leaders syndrome. Her predecessor Caroline Lucas was very savvy and | :37:51. | :37:54. | |
she knew how to get the Green Party into the headlines and she was | :37:55. | :37:57. | |
always compared and contrasted with that. Above all, she was a bit of an | :37:58. | :38:04. | |
awkward camel then it came to media interviews. She just looked awkward | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
and unhappy, as if she would always rather be anywhere but there. And | :38:09. | :38:11. | |
just look at these interviews that we have picked. Some of her rather | :38:12. | :38:20. | |
dismal car crashes. What we are looking at in terms of the figures | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
here, what we need to do, is actually... We are looking at a | :38:25. | :38:33. | |
total spend of 2.7 billion. But what is the total cost of 500,000 homes? | :38:34. | :38:43. | |
It is a cost of 60,000 per home. How are you going to pay for the land? | :38:44. | :38:48. | |
Right. What we are looking at doing is basically... Are you all right? | :38:49. | :38:57. | |
Sorry. As you can probably hear, I have got a terrible cold. I am very | :38:58. | :38:59. | |
sorry to hear that. It was excruciating to hear that | :39:00. | :39:14. | |
interview. Is she letting the party down? She is not going to answer | :39:15. | :39:20. | |
that! No! One of your flagship policies is for the states to give | :39:21. | :39:26. | |
every adult basic weekly income of ?72, the so-called citizen's income, | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
whether they need it or not, at a cost of up to ?280 billion. How | :39:31. | :39:36. | |
would you pay for that? First of all it is with saying that is a gross | :39:37. | :39:39. | |
cost, so half the cost of that would come from replacing existing | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
benefits of reducing administration costs. Give me an example of what | :39:44. | :39:50. | |
benefit it would replace. Jobseeker's allowance. What does | :39:51. | :39:52. | |
that save? Hold on. Jobseeker's allowance only costs 3 billion, so | :39:53. | :40:00. | |
you are a long way off 280. But it costs a massive amount to | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
administer. The cost of administration is extremely low with | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
this one. If you look at universal child benefit... Wait, wait, wait. | :40:10. | :40:25. | |
Ed Miliband... Ed Miliband... All right. You have made the point. I | :40:26. | :40:32. | |
think Natalie wanted to reply. Natalie, briefly. I think it was | :40:33. | :40:37. | |
probably by turn. Gosh, was that only one year ago? Carnage. Let me | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
ask you about something totally different. In America, presidential | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
frontrunner Donald Trump is having a go at the London Mayor, Sadiq Khan. | :40:48. | :40:53. | |
What has it got to do with him? Donald has spoken, not just about | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
Sadiq Khan but also about David Cameron, who described his idea of | :40:59. | :41:01. | |
banning all Muslim is from going into the USA as divisive and wrong. | :41:02. | :41:08. | |
He said of David Cameron that they are not going to have good relations | :41:09. | :41:13. | |
if he becomes President. He has also reiterated his support for Brexit, | :41:14. | :41:17. | |
for leaving the European Union. But Mr Khan, when that row blew up, | :41:18. | :41:23. | |
because he would be banned from going to the US Donald Trump became | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
President, and at the time Mr Khan said his comments were ignorant and | :41:28. | :41:35. | |
likely to fuel extremism. He also said they were ignorant. Now Donald | :41:36. | :41:38. | |
Trump has hit back by challenging Mr Khan to an IQ test. Take a look. I | :41:39. | :41:46. | |
wished him well but now I don't care about him. It doesn't make any | :41:47. | :41:51. | |
difference. Let's see how he does. Let's see if he is a good man. Are | :41:52. | :41:58. | |
you offended by what he said? Yes, because he has never met me. They | :41:59. | :42:01. | |
are very rude statements and tell him I will remember those | :42:02. | :42:05. | |
statements. They are very nasty statements. We did not see him | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
challenging him to an IQ test but Mr Khan said they will not be picking | :42:10. | :42:14. | |
up a pen and pencil to do an IQ test. I don't think this Cameron's | :42:15. | :42:18. | |
people are bothered about being criticised by Donald Trump. They say | :42:19. | :42:22. | |
it look at all the guys supporting us in EU referendum debate. Mark | :42:23. | :42:26. | |
Carney, Christine Lagarde, pretty much every other western leader. In | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
that they got? Donald Trump! Said they are not that bothered about Mr | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
Trump having a go at Prime Minister. Thank you. | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
Coming up in the next 15 minutes, the Foxes fans have been | :42:40. | :42:42. | |
We'll bring you the story of Leicester City's incredible | :42:43. | :42:45. | |
Premier League success told through the eyes of two | :42:46. | :42:48. | |
How safe is it to be locked up in or work in one | :42:49. | :42:56. | |
Suicide is at its highest level for a decade. | :42:57. | :42:59. | |
There were 20,000 assaults last year, and 5000 attacks on staff. | :43:00. | :43:03. | |
Today, a parliamentary report warns the rising levels of violence, | :43:04. | :43:13. | |
self-harm and suicide threaten to severely undermine | :43:14. | :43:15. | |
We thought we'd ask people with experience | :43:16. | :43:23. | |
and knowledge of the system, if they were starting from scratch, | :43:24. | :43:25. | |
how would they design a prison system now? | :43:26. | :43:27. | |
Fit for purpose, fit for the 21st century. | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
John Attard is a national officer for the Prison Governors | :43:33. | :43:34. | |
Association and one of the governors at Holloway Prison. | :43:35. | :43:36. | |
And Kelly Judge has been in an out of prison on drugs charges | :43:37. | :43:40. | |
I think your most recent spell was for just under two weeks back in | :43:41. | :43:54. | |
March. Is that right? Yes. Thank you for coming on the programme. You | :43:55. | :43:57. | |
have seen a lot of violence and self harm in jails. Tell the audience | :43:58. | :44:02. | |
about that. On a day-to-day basis it can change from quite a smooth | :44:03. | :44:06. | |
running atmosphere to a very volatile and violent atmosphere. It | :44:07. | :44:16. | |
could be for a number of reasons. Drugs. Interaction with an officer. | :44:17. | :44:24. | |
Someone doesn't feel they are being listened to maybe. Said they lash | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
out towards a member of staff? It depends. On a day-to-day basis you | :44:30. | :44:35. | |
have a lot of people in a confined environment. Feelings and actions | :44:36. | :44:42. | |
are fraught. If a prisoner feels they need something and they are not | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
getting it, then they are going to go to any lengths to try and get it. | :44:47. | :44:54. | |
You have also seen incidents of self harm, haven't you? Yes, I was | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
sharing a cell with another female and I came back from a course one | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
day and she was sitting in the cell with her arm up on the window ledge, | :45:05. | :45:08. | |
and her coat on, which was kind of strange. I asked why she had her | :45:09. | :45:14. | |
coat on and why her arm was up there and he took off her coat and her arm | :45:15. | :45:20. | |
was wrapped in toilet roll. -- she took off her coat. Blood was seeping | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
through the toilet roll and down the window. It was my feeling to get on | :45:25. | :45:32. | |
the bus immediately and the officer came to the door. I remember them | :45:33. | :45:39. | |
opening the hatch to the door and looking through and saying what's | :45:40. | :45:43. | |
up? I said this feels like an incident that I can't really tell | :45:44. | :45:48. | |
you about through a door. I need you to open up and look at what is going | :45:49. | :45:53. | |
on. I had the prisoner screaming in my ear, don't tell the officers. | :45:54. | :45:59. | |
They get put on report. There were razor blades that she had hidden in | :46:00. | :46:01. | |
the cell. So she cut her arm with a razor | :46:02. | :46:10. | |
blade? I said there is something in here that she is not telling me | :46:11. | :46:15. | |
about that she doing this with. There is a protocol when you get a | :46:16. | :46:20. | |
razor blade out in prison that you hand in your ID card and they give | :46:21. | :46:25. | |
you your razor blade and they show them the blade in the plastic | :46:26. | :46:29. | |
hold-all and you put it in a yellow bin. Why had she done that to | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
herself, do you know? Because she was locked away in her cell. Right. | :46:34. | :46:41. | |
It is because people can't cope with the environment... They are in, | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
yeah. You mentioned drugs. You've used heroin in jail, haven't you? | :46:47. | :46:51. | |
Yeah. Naive as I may sound, I'm shocked that you can get heroin | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
inside a prison amongst, a number of drugs, it is not just heroin, is it, | :46:56. | :46:59. | |
how does it get in? There is a number of ways. I think people new | :47:00. | :47:07. | |
in, like coming through, take it in with them, if they know they're | :47:08. | :47:11. | |
going to court and they know there is a chance they're going to prison, | :47:12. | :47:14. | |
they will try and get it in that way. Visits. Is everyone not | :47:15. | :47:21. | |
searched? They are. Right. But there is ways and means that people find | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
because they are that desperate to use in jail. And obviously people | :47:26. | :47:31. | |
taking drugs inside will add to that unpredictable atmosphere which can | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
lead to violence and all of rest of it? The nature of the prison if they | :47:36. | :47:45. | |
know one person has got a substance and the girls that want the | :47:46. | :47:49. | |
substance is outnumbered by the drugs going in, there is fraught | :47:50. | :47:53. | |
atmosphere. John, you've worked in prisons for nearly three decades, I | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
think, including places like Pentonville and you are at Holloway | :47:59. | :48:02. | |
at the moment. Before I ask you why you think the levels of violence are | :48:03. | :48:08. | |
so high, why should people care if inmates harm themselves or take | :48:09. | :48:11. | |
drugs in jail. Some might think, that's what happens. If you commit a | :48:12. | :48:14. | |
crime, that's the kind of thing you will end up doing in jail? It is a | :48:15. | :48:19. | |
god question. Most people, all of us, don't want to be victims of | :48:20. | :48:24. | |
crime. And when we are, the expectation is that the State will | :48:25. | :48:27. | |
do something about that and they will punish the offender. The actual | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
punishment is losing your liberty, it is going into prison. I think it | :48:33. | :48:36. | |
would be a pretty poor reflection on us as a society if when they are in | :48:37. | :48:39. | |
prison we weren't trying to do something to stop them committing | :48:40. | :48:42. | |
offences again so when somebody comes back out of prison they are | :48:43. | :48:45. | |
actually less likely to commit offences so we have fewer victims. | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
It is about being civilised and treat people in a civilised manner | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
and to stop them re-offending when they leave? Absolutely. I know you | :48:55. | :48:58. | |
will tell me the rising levels of violence are to do with fewer prison | :48:59. | :49:03. | |
staff and that's true. On the whole of the prison estate, staff employed | :49:04. | :49:10. | |
has fallen by 29% in the last few years, that's 13,000 fewer staff. | :49:11. | :49:13. | |
That's the total in terms of the number of staff. Is it as simple as | :49:14. | :49:20. | |
about the number of prison officers? Most people will assume that an | :49:21. | :49:24. | |
organisation, if it is losing staff, will use that as a simple excuse to | :49:25. | :49:31. | |
explain away things. Prisons are complex organisations and the hub, | :49:32. | :49:34. | |
the heart of that organisation, are the people. If you have got fewer | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
people then you can't do some of the most simple things. Like? For | :49:40. | :49:42. | |
example unlocking a prisoner to take them to education. Unlocking a | :49:43. | :49:48. | |
prisoner to take them to their rehab courses, unlocking a prisoner to | :49:49. | :49:52. | |
take them to healthcare, but it goes further than that because Kelly will | :49:53. | :49:55. | |
tell you that one of the most important things in a prison is | :49:56. | :49:58. | |
staff and prisoner relationships and if a prisoner is in need and they | :49:59. | :50:02. | |
want to speak to somebody, for five or ten minutes or 15 minutes or | :50:03. | :50:05. | |
however long it takes, then that officer has got to be available to | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
do that. Because the levels have dropped so much, the last three or | :50:11. | :50:15. | |
four years, we have lost 13730 staff in total. If you can't have those | :50:16. | :50:20. | |
interactions then we're not going to be able to do the simplest of things | :50:21. | :50:24. | |
like keep people safe and then it goes further as well. The frequency | :50:25. | :50:30. | |
of cell searches reduces. People might say, oh, surely they are safe | :50:31. | :50:35. | |
and strong buildings, but they are. And the cell search looks at the | :50:36. | :50:38. | |
property in the cell, was there evidence that somebody was bullying | :50:39. | :50:42. | |
and you would see the number of goods they had in their cell. If | :50:43. | :50:47. | |
someone had a lot of stuff, you would think they might have been | :50:48. | :50:50. | |
dealing in drugs which is important for us and we put intelligence | :50:51. | :50:53. | |
reports in and the security department would deal with that. | :50:54. | :50:56. | |
Security departments are smaller, we have less searching going on and | :50:57. | :50:59. | |
there are fewer staff. That all seems it make sense. If you were | :51:00. | :51:04. | |
given a blank sheet of paper and you could design from scratch the prison | :51:05. | :51:08. | |
system in England and Wales, what would you do differently, Kelly? Oh, | :51:09. | :51:11. | |
I have been thinking about this since I was asked the question last | :51:12. | :51:15. | |
night and it is a difficult question because it is such a wide spectrum, | :51:16. | :51:24. | |
but the support and the treatment for the vulnerability and | :51:25. | :51:27. | |
recognising people's needs as individuals. I was saying... That's | :51:28. | :51:36. | |
an acknowledgemed of inmates' needs and also more staff? Maybe more | :51:37. | :51:42. | |
staff. Or more compassionate staff? It is the field they're in. It is | :51:43. | :51:46. | |
not just prison officers. Prison officers are there to do a job and | :51:47. | :51:50. | |
lock up, but there is also other staff that need to be there that are | :51:51. | :51:58. | |
compassionate with drug addiction. Self-harming, family abuse, all the | :51:59. | :52:01. | |
different circumstances that lead to people being in prison in the first | :52:02. | :52:05. | |
place. What about you, John? What would you say if I gave you a blank | :52:06. | :52:08. | |
sheet of paper and you could do whatever you wanted with the prison | :52:09. | :52:13. | |
system in England and Wales, where would you start? I wouldn't chuck | :52:14. | :52:17. | |
the baby out of the bath water. The Prison Service has been around for a | :52:18. | :52:22. | |
long time. We got very good. It is only in the fast four years that we | :52:23. | :52:27. | |
have seen this incredible increase in violence, suicides and self-harm, | :52:28. | :52:32. | |
etcetera, we need to get back to doing the basics. Create an | :52:33. | :52:36. | |
environment that's safe and decent. A lot of what's happened now is | :52:37. | :52:40. | |
because governors have lost their autonomy. Governors can't make | :52:41. | :52:45. | |
decisions about who they contract with for supply of good and for | :52:46. | :52:48. | |
education... That comes from the Ministry of Justice, does it now? It | :52:49. | :52:53. | |
is centrally controlled and we are in a ridiculous situation where we | :52:54. | :52:58. | |
have a dictated benchmark which says how many staff you have, what grade | :52:59. | :53:02. | |
they must be, what jobs they must do and actually, prisons are different. | :53:03. | :53:08. | |
So to enforce a model for one prison and say that has to apply for all | :53:09. | :53:14. | |
prisons is not logical. So you would go for more staff and you would go | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
for more independence for the governors? Indeed. Thank you very | :53:19. | :53:21. | |
much. Thank you for coming on the programme. Thank you. | :53:22. | :53:24. | |
Who will be in Roy Hodgson's provisional England | :53:25. | :53:26. | |
Will there be room for Manchester United's star | :53:27. | :53:30. | |
We'll bring you the latest just before 11am. | :53:31. | :53:39. | |
Premier League champions Leicester City closed | :53:40. | :53:41. | |
their victorious season with a 1-1 draw at Chelsea. | :53:42. | :53:43. | |
They finished 10 points ahead of the chasing pack. | :53:44. | :53:46. | |
Tonight Claudio Ranieri's team will celebrate their remarkable | :53:47. | :53:48. | |
season with a celebratory open top bus parade through the city. | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
We've been following two Leicester fans as their dreams came true | :53:53. | :54:00. | |
and their team beat the odds to do what no one thought possible. | :54:01. | :54:03. | |
Here is the story of the last couple of weeks through the eyes of lovely | :54:04. | :54:07. | |
Sandra Fixter and lovely Gary L Johnson. | :54:08. | :54:08. | |
The "L" stands for Leicester. Seriously, it does! | :54:09. | :54:15. | |
We've just won the Premier League. The city is absolutely buzzing! | :54:16. | :54:48. | |
SINGING: Championes, Championes, Ole, ole, ole. | :54:49. | :54:51. | |
We even have a few people dressed up as pizzas, | :54:52. | :55:00. | |
which is obviously our link to Claudio Ranieri, who said | :55:01. | :55:02. | |
at the start of the season that he would buy all the players | :55:03. | :55:05. | |
Well that seems a very, very long time ago now. | :55:06. | :55:13. | |
It's carnival atmosphere. There's Ranieri, walking backwards. | :55:14. | :55:26. | |
Championes, championes, ole, ole, ole! | :55:27. | :55:33. | |
COMMENTATOR: Leicester City are the Premier League Champions. | :55:34. | :55:36. | |
Leicester City are the Premier League Champions! | :55:37. | :55:39. | |
It's the most amazing thing ever, something you would probably never | :55:40. | :55:47. | |
dream as a Leicester fan of ever, ever saying, and we've just seen | :55:48. | :55:50. | |
Wes Morgan, Leicester City club captain raising | :55:51. | :55:55. | |
The game is brilliant, we played ever so well. | :55:56. | :56:04. | |
We didn't give up, and we took the game to them. | :56:05. | :56:10. | |
We're just waiting now to go to Chelsea. | :56:11. | :56:29. | |
We are a couple of minutes away from us leaving the stadium, | :56:30. | :56:32. | |
and see our team get a guard of honour against | :56:33. | :56:34. | |
There's no pressure, we're going down there to play it | :56:35. | :56:45. | |
and I just have one hope, that Jamie Vardy scores a bag full, | :56:46. | :56:48. | |
because we want him to get the Golden Boot as well. | :56:49. | :57:02. | |
CHANTING: We're all going on the European Tour! | :57:03. | :57:04. | |
This is our Leicester City family that we've been travelling | :57:05. | :57:06. | |
with for the whole season, and the driver's here as well. | :57:07. | :57:09. | |
But we've been travelling all season long and we will be | :57:10. | :57:21. | |
Whatever happens we will be travelling the whole seaon - | :57:22. | :57:24. | |
to Europe, to the Charity Community Shield, to every home | :57:25. | :57:26. | |
and away game next season, we will all be here, | :57:27. | :57:29. | |
being ready to be champions again next season. | :57:30. | :57:31. | |
All we could do was hope and dream, and the dreame is just getting | :57:32. | :57:34. | |
bigger and bigger and more fraught, and it culminates in what has been | :57:35. | :57:37. | |
the most fantastic season for a Leicester City supporter that | :57:38. | :57:40. | |
I've ever known in 53 years of going down to support them. | :57:41. | :57:43. | |
It's the stuff dreams are made of, thank you. | :57:44. | :58:00. | |
Thank you very much, Sandra. Thank you very much, Gary. | :58:01. | :58:05. | |
Maybe we will do it all again next season, who knows? | :58:06. | :58:11. | |
We will speak to a woman who was at the age of six was accused of being | :58:12. | :58:18. | |
a witch. She endured horrific abuse as they attempted to rid her of | :58:19. | :58:23. | |
so-called evil spirits. Now, it is time for the weather. Thank you very | :58:24. | :58:28. | |
much, Victoria. We had high pressure dominating the scene. Lots of | :58:29. | :58:31. | |
sunshine by day and it was chilly at night with a touch of frost in many | :58:32. | :58:37. | |
rural places. We have had loads of lovely Weather Watcher pictures | :58:38. | :58:41. | |
coming in. This one as well in Cornwall. More in the way of cloud | :58:42. | :58:44. | |
as you can see here. Some areas started off with cloud, mist and fog | :58:45. | :58:48. | |
too. For Northern Ireland, we a had a lot of cloud around, but that's | :58:49. | :58:52. | |
breaking up now and you can see from the satellite picture just what's | :58:53. | :58:54. | |
going on and where most of the cloud is. Northern Ireland, across | :58:55. | :58:58. | |
Scotland, which is also starting to break up now, little patches of | :58:59. | :59:01. | |
cloud across England and Wales also breaking up too. But a good deal of | :59:02. | :59:04. | |
sunshine around. That's how it will stay towards the afternoon with just | :59:05. | :59:07. | |
some cloud bubbling up like we have seen over the last few days and it | :59:08. | :59:11. | |
will feel a touch warmer across-the-board than it has done | :59:12. | :59:14. | |
over the weekend. That said, the cloud will continue to be thick | :59:15. | :59:18. | |
enough for the odd spot of light rain across the Hebrides and the | :59:19. | :59:23. | |
Highlands, but further north and Northern Ireland seeing good, sunny | :59:24. | :59:26. | |
spells and in the warmest spots we could make 15 to 17 Celsius. The | :59:27. | :59:30. | |
best of the sunshine continuing to be for England and Wales with South | :59:31. | :59:32. | |
Wales in towards central and southern areas in the south-east | :59:33. | :59:36. | |
seeing probably the highest temperatures, 19 or 20 Celsius and | :59:37. | :59:39. | |
winds will be light, but cooler than that and the cloud. This evening and | :59:40. | :59:43. | |
overnight it stays dry for most areas. You would be unlucky if you | :59:44. | :59:50. | |
catch a light shower. Further south again, we could see a | :59:51. | :59:55. | |
touch of frost in the Midlands and parts of central Wales under dry | :59:56. | :59:59. | |
skies. Tuesday there, is where we start to see a change. Our area of | :00:00. | :00:03. | |
high pressure that's we have had over the weekend gets squeezed away. | :00:04. | :00:07. | |
This area of low pressure takes its place, but that said, for much of | :00:08. | :00:10. | |
England and Wales, Eastern Scotland, it will be another fine day, I | :00:11. | :00:13. | |
think, with good sunny spells and feeling warm again, but for Northern | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
Ireland, for Western Scotland, turning wetter and windier and the | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
rain pushing towards western Britain later on in the day. Temperatures | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
mid-teens Celsius in the north and 17 to 20 Celsius across the South | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
East. Wednesday we have an area of low pressure on top of us. It looks | :00:30. | :00:32. | |
cloudy and messy. For England and Wales we could see a spell of heavy | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
and thundery rain. There will be sunshine and showers and some could | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
be heavy. Winds gusty as well across the South Coast, but a mild feel to | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
things, 14 Celsius to 16 Celsius. So it becomes more unsettled as the | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
week continues. Certainly after Tuesday with spells of rain, some of | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
it heavy, windy at times too, but the days will be mild and gardeners | :00:54. | :00:58. | |
will be happy to know at night it will be turning milder SWthat's your | :00:59. | :01:00. | |
latest weather. It is land, it is ten o'clock. -- it | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
is Monday. Welcome to the programme | :01:05. | :01:16. | |
if you've just joined us. Coming up before 11am: Children | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
as young as six are being called witches by their own families | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
and enduring exorcisms to dispel We will hear from victims | :01:24. | :01:25. | |
who were subjected Anything that goes wrong in that | :01:26. | :01:35. | |
family, I was the responsibility for it. It wasn't just a general life | :01:36. | :01:40. | |
problem. It was based on I am doing it. | :01:41. | :01:43. | |
Why so many people who suspect they have dementia are put off | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
from seeing their GP because a diagnosis will mean | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
We will hear from one mother who was terrified of the diagnosis. | :01:51. | :01:57. | |
Will there be European success for Roy Hodgson's men in France? | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
He'll announce his provisional Euro squad in about an hour's time. | :02:01. | :02:02. | |
We'll bring you the latest live from Wembley. | :02:03. | :02:09. | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :02:10. | :02:18. | |
Migrant arrivals to Greece have dropped to a trickle, | :02:19. | :02:20. | |
because of the deal between the EU and Turkey which discourages asylum | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
But tens of thousands of people are still stranded in Greece | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
hoping to get to other parts of the continent. | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
Our correspondent Yogita Limaye is on the Greek-Macedonian border. | :02:31. | :02:38. | |
The government has said that they will have facilities ready for about | :02:39. | :02:43. | |
11,000 people, which should take pretty much all of the population | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
here. That should be ready in a few weeks. However, that is not a | :02:48. | :02:53. | |
permanent solution. It is a temporary one. Most of these people | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
don't want to stay in Greece. They want to go to other countries in | :02:58. | :03:02. | |
Europe. I asked a spokesman for the Greek government what the plan was | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
and he says the EU has pledged to relocate 66,000 people that are in | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
Greece, but it is a process that is taking a very long time. | :03:11. | :03:16. | |
A full inquiry into how a fake bomb used in a training exercise came | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
to be left at Manchester United's stadium is being demanded | :03:20. | :03:21. | |
by the city's Mayor and Police and Crime Commissioner. | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
Tens of thousands of fans had to be evacuated from Old Trafford | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
yesterday, shortly before United's game against Bournemouth. | :03:28. | :03:30. | |
There's a warning that safety in prisons in England and Wales has | :03:31. | :03:32. | |
deteriorated rapidly in the past year. | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
MPs say they're concerned about a soaring rise in suicides, | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
attacks on staff, and serious assaults in the last 12 months. | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
The Justice Committee said that improvement was urgently needed. | :03:46. | :03:47. | |
Ministers say that improvements are being made. | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
One former prisoner told this programme that serious and violent | :03:53. | :04:02. | |
situations can arise very quickly. It can change from quite a smooth | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
running atmosphere to a very volatile and violent atmosphere. It | :04:06. | :04:13. | |
could be for a number of reasons. Drugs. Interaction with an officer. | :04:14. | :04:21. | |
Someone doesn't feel they are being listened to maybe. | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
Donald Trump has said he doesn't expect to have a good relationship | :04:27. | :04:28. | |
with David Cameron if he becomes President of the United States. | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
In December, Mr Cameron called Mr Trump divisive, | :04:32. | :04:33. | |
stupid, and wrong for saying he'd put a temporary ban | :04:34. | :04:36. | |
Mr Trump said he would remember what was said. | :04:37. | :04:44. | |
Natalie Bennett is to step down as the leader of the Green Party. | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
She has announced she won't stand for re-election after her second | :04:49. | :04:50. | |
two-year spell comes to an end in August. | :04:51. | :04:52. | |
The Australian former journalist told The Guardian newspaper | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
that she got some things wrong because she isn't what she calls | :04:56. | :04:58. | |
a smooth, spin-trained, lifelong politician. | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
Dame Helen Mirren, Kylie Minogue, and Ant and Dec have joined forces | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
to help celebrate the Queen's 90th birthday in a pageant | :05:07. | :05:08. | |
Her Majesty arrived for the celebration | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
in the Diamond Jubilee State Coach with the Duke of Edinburgh. | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
She was met by the Prince of Wales before taking her seat for the show. | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
Nearly a thousand military and civilian horses, | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
some from as far away as Azerbaijan, featured with some performing stunts | :05:25. | :05:27. | |
while another carried a happy birthday banner. | :05:28. | :05:33. | |
I don't know how it carried it but it did! Presumably in its mouth? | :05:34. | :05:41. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :05:42. | :05:43. | |
Thank you. Sport in just a moment but here are some of your comments | :05:44. | :05:50. | |
on our exclusive film on witchcraft in the UK this morning. Children as | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
young as six being accused of being witches by their own parents and | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
then being subjected to horrific abuse. Tim tweets this. That proves | :05:59. | :06:04. | |
the ignorance of religion. These faith leaders are egocentric | :06:05. | :06:10. | |
bullies. The pastors are abusers, dangerous religious extremists that | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
should be deported from the UK to protect vulnerable people. What I | :06:16. | :06:21. | |
find spectacularly disturbing was that by day this man was a | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
practising pharmacist, a respected profession, and by night somebody | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
judgmental and potentially abusing children. This is not in the name of | :06:30. | :06:34. | |
religion. An email from Sally. I am transgender and aged 42. In 1999I | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
underwent an exorcism at the hands of the Pentecostal church because | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
they believed my body was being inhabited by a female demon. While | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
it was all talk, this could seriously have caused me a lot of | :06:48. | :06:53. | |
mental harm. And a tweet from Mark. This item on witchcraft affecting | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
children have to get a much more raised profile among the media. | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
Thank you for those. Keep them coming in. | :07:02. | :07:03. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning. | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
Use the hashtag VictoriaLive and if you text, you will be charged | :07:07. | :07:08. | |
James on the England squad, and England supporter. Wayne Rooney is | :07:09. | :07:19. | |
the hardest working player and if you just want prima donnas, leave | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
him at home. And Marcus Rashford is under 21 and we have a side for | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
under 21s for him. This morning, Jessica. | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
The record books have been rewritten in Formula One | :07:35. | :07:36. | |
He's become the youngest driver to win a Grand Prix, | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
Verstappen started the race at the Spanish Grand Prix in fourth | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
but took advantage after this crash between Mercedes teammates | :07:44. | :07:45. | |
Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg on the opening lap. | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
Even more remarkable, it was Verstappen's debut race | :07:50. | :07:50. | |
for Red Bull after only being promoted to | :07:51. | :07:52. | |
It feels amazing. I can't believe it. It was a great race. I have to | :07:53. | :08:05. | |
say thank you to the team for giving me such a great car. To win | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
straightaway in the first race, amazing feeling. Exciting times for | :08:10. | :08:17. | |
Max Verstappen and his dad, who we just saw. I feel like this will be | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
the first of many podium finishes for the driver. Here is a bit more | :08:22. | :08:22. | |
about him. A week before the French Open, | :08:23. | :09:28. | |
and on his 29th birthday, Andy Murray chalked up a big win | :09:29. | :09:30. | |
over his rival Novak Djokovic The first time Murray has beaten | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
Djokovic in their past 14 meetings. World Number One Serena Williams | :09:34. | :09:45. | |
is back to winning ways. She secured the women's | :09:46. | :09:52. | |
title in Rome. She beat compatriot Madison Keys | :09:53. | :09:54. | |
in straight sets for her first individual 10m European championship | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
gold of his career with a stunning performance at the Aquatics | :09:59. | :10:05. | |
Championships in London. His medal adds to the mixed 3m | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
synchronised gold and men's 10m synchro silver he won | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
in the past week. Yesterday there also | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
were silver medals for Rebecca Gallantree and Alicia Blagg | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
in the synchronised 3m springboard. Plenty of football over the next | :10:21. | :10:28. | |
hour with the England squad being announced this morning but I will | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
see you later for the headlines. Thank you. Good morning. | :10:32. | :10:39. | |
It seems extraordinary that anyone in this country... | :10:40. | :10:40. | |
Sorry, please bear with me while we wait for that. It seems | :10:41. | :10:47. | |
extraordinary that anybody in this country could believe in witchcraft | :10:48. | :10:48. | |
but some do. Not only that, | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
they on occasion accuse their own Yes, kids really | :10:54. | :10:55. | |
are being exorcised. Experts say it's abuse and say | :10:56. | :10:57. | |
they fear children in the UK are being subjected to horrific | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
treatment during exorcisms, like having chilli rubbed | :11:02. | :11:02. | |
into their eyes or genitals, and sometimes it can | :11:03. | :11:04. | |
end in a child's death. Last year the Metropolitan Police | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
dealt with 60 cases, an increase of over 50% compared | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
with 3 years earlier. In a moment we'll talk live | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
to a woman who as a little girl was accused of being a witch | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
by her wider family. First our reporter Noel Philips | :11:21. | :11:22. | |
is the first journalist to be given exclusive access to social workers | :11:23. | :11:24. | |
in Tower Hamlets in London as they discuss the case of one 6 | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
year old girl whose parents believed His film contains some | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
disturbing images and lasts I give you order, | :11:33. | :11:35. | |
in the name of Jesus. This is Doctor Charles Motondo | :11:36. | :11:42. | |
in South Africa, carrying out A deliverance ceremony on a young | :11:43. | :11:44. | |
girl he believes is a witch. He runs the Grace Faith Ministries | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
in Leeds, and travels The extended family of both mum | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
and dad have a belief system that the victim in this case | :11:53. | :12:02. | |
was actually spiritually It's a practice which according | :12:03. | :12:04. | |
to social workers here in Tower Hamlets is now common | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
in certain communities The cases are on the increase, | :12:10. | :12:12. | |
because, as I said, when one case is highlighted, | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
people's eyes are opened. It is not an issue, in my view, | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
that we can sit back and say When he was just eight Mardoche | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
claims he was accused He came to London from the Congo | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
to live with his extended family. He says they accused him of eating | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
human flesh and killing his own mum, In that time, anything goes wrong | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
in that family, I was Like, just general life, | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
but it was based on me doing it. Mardoche, who is now 24, | :12:44. | :12:58. | |
says his extended family made plans to send him back to the Congo | :12:59. | :13:01. | |
for an exorcism in 2005, as it was the only way | :13:02. | :13:03. | |
they thought he could be cured, but his school alerted social | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
workers at Islington Council, who he claims were considering going | :13:08. | :13:09. | |
along with their wishes. I want to know how my life | :13:10. | :13:17. | |
would be now, I don't know. I don't think I would be here, | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
but I don't know, to be honest. But the idea that they were | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
actually considering it... Islington Council told us social | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
workers acted swiftly to remove Mardoche from his extended family, | :13:28. | :13:32. | |
and would never support a child being sent for a deliverance | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
ceremony of this kind. According to this expert, | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
who recently studied more than 30 cases involving witchcraft reported | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
to the Metropolitan Police, not enough is being done | :13:45. | :13:47. | |
to tackle the problems. I would like to enable children | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
to report it themselves. A well-funded helpline, | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
which they could access The Government say it's unacceptable | :13:58. | :13:59. | |
and no belief system can justify the abuse of a child, | :14:00. | :14:10. | |
but campaigners insist more needs to be done to tackle the problem | :14:11. | :14:16. | |
before it becomes more widespread. If you want to share that film, | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
please go to our programme page. She was branded a witch | :14:21. | :14:28. | |
and abused as a child. Also here, Yasmin Rehman, | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
formerly in the Metropolitan Police and now | :14:34. | :14:36. | |
a human rights activist. And Oladapo Awosokanre, | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
from the charity Africans United Against Child Abuse that supports | :14:40. | :14:41. | |
victims of witchcraft accusations. Welcome to all of you and thank you | :14:42. | :14:50. | |
for coming on the programme. Kevani, tell me what happened to you as a | :14:51. | :14:57. | |
six-year-old. I was accused of being a wit and this stemmed from me | :14:58. | :15:05. | |
wetting my bed. I was branded as a witch and tutor that there was a lot | :15:06. | :15:11. | |
of child abuse involved in that. -- due to that. The difference between | :15:12. | :15:14. | |
me and a lot of the cases we have heard about that recently, there was | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
not much around deliverance is, it was more about branding children and | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
accusing them of witchcraft. Now there has been a big shift where | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
more churches are involved that are apparently delivering these children | :15:28. | :15:29. | |
from evil possession. You think it is a sham. It is a | :15:30. | :15:41. | |
sham. I go to church. I have two children and I don't have an issue | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
with people's belief, my issue is, according to the Bible, there is no | :15:46. | :15:51. | |
were in the Bible where it says in order to deliver somebody of | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
spiritual possession you have to put pepper or ginger or horrific | :15:57. | :16:00. | |
substances in their eyes or in certain other areas that, you know, | :16:01. | :16:04. | |
you couldn't imagine. What happened to just laying your hands on | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
somebody and just praying for them? When did it become somebody's job to | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
decide that all children were witches. When I was younger from | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
what I remember, it was the older generation, when you were old and | :16:17. | :16:19. | |
you were frail and you had grey hair, you were seen as a witch. | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
Whereas now, it has shifted from the older generation to specifically | :16:26. | :16:31. | |
children. You mentioned pepper being rubbed | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
into eyes and other parts of your body, is that something that | :16:37. | :16:38. | |
happened to you? It is something that happened to me. It is horrific | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
and it is horrendous and it shouldn't be allowed. Accusing any | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
child of being a witch is nonsense and attempt to go deliver them | :16:49. | :16:55. | |
through usage whether it is pepper or starvation is abuse. Was food | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
withdrawn from you? Yes, it was withdrawn. I remember all I could | :17:00. | :17:03. | |
take was two slices of bred and they would mark it where the last slice | :17:04. | :17:06. | |
was taken. In the night-time if I felt hungry and went and got another | :17:07. | :17:09. | |
one, I would be beaten in the morning because they would know I | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
took that extra slice of bread. And actions like that, once again, was | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
you're a witch, but I was just a child who was starving and was | :17:20. | :17:22. | |
deprived of basic food. I think a lot needs to be done to stop all | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
what is going on. I mean, I know that the Metropolitan Police have | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
got project Vio let, things are moving more than what they were | :17:33. | :17:35. | |
when, you know, when I was branded a witch. I had an incident where the | :17:36. | :17:42. | |
police were called and I was sent right back home. When I tried to | :17:43. | :17:45. | |
explain to the officers what was happening, I think, they couldn't | :17:46. | :17:48. | |
accept that anybody could do such a sing to a child so therefore, I was | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
handed right back to the people who claimed to be, you know related to | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
me and there weren't. Let me bring from Yasmin. You are a former | :18:00. | :18:08. | |
metropolitan officer. In terms of the police, there wouldn't be any | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
cultural sensitivities about getting involved when a child is clearly | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
being abused or neglected? I wasn't a police officer. I was a member of | :18:16. | :18:24. | |
civil staff and I was engaged with Project Vio let. We are talking | :18:25. | :18:30. | |
about children, but there are also adults who are getting involved in | :18:31. | :18:36. | |
different contexts as victims too. I think the Criminal Justice System | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
can only go so far. This has to be a multi-fas FA setted response. It has | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
got to involve service providers from a range of backgrounds. There | :18:48. | :18:50. | |
has been guidance and training for police officers, but I think we have | :18:51. | :18:53. | |
got to accept that services are challenged. We have got a constantly | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
changing demographics and new issues coming to the fore and police | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
officers, social workers, teachers, etcetera have got to be ahead of the | :19:04. | :19:06. | |
curve in order to try and... Your charity trains and works with social | :19:07. | :19:09. | |
workers, teachers, other professionals. What practical | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
skills, do they need any other practical skills apart from the ones | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
they will have in order to spot children who are being accused of | :19:19. | :19:23. | |
being a witch and being abused? Yes, there is a need for them to have | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
specialist training. That's why we have special training. We give to | :19:29. | :19:36. | |
practitioners. What does it involve? Witchcraft and also training for | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
practitioners in understanding African families and how to | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
intervene and when to inver convenient. Isn't it obvious when to | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
intervene when the child is being starved or abused in the way that | :19:50. | :19:59. | |
was explained? Often times seen within the narrow categories of | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
abuse which is emotional or physical abuse. However, there is a need for | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
them to understand the cultural aspect of this and also what | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
witchcraft means and how it is done for them to be able to investigate | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
further to know what exactly is the issue with the child. Just not | :20:19. | :20:26. | |
leaving it at the level of emotional or physical abuse. Do you agree that | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
professionals need to be trained in what witchcraft is? At the moment we | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
have lack of understanding where it stems from and I think you hit it on | :20:36. | :20:40. | |
the nail that within certain departments, there is still that | :20:41. | :20:43. | |
fear we don't want it to come across as if we are specifically picking on | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
certain communities or certain religious beliefs and it shouldn't | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
be like that. If a child is being abused regardless of their colour or | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
gender, the first thing, it is a child protection issue and it is | :20:57. | :21:00. | |
about safeguarding that child regardless of the culture they come | :21:01. | :21:03. | |
from. Why do professionals need training about witchcraft? Because | :21:04. | :21:06. | |
it will help them, you think, identify children at risk? Yes. The | :21:07. | :21:12. | |
general training practitioners have just gives them a general view, but | :21:13. | :21:17. | |
they need towned stand the specifics, how abuse is perpetrated | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
and how victims could be identified easily. I want to ask all of you, | :21:22. | :21:30. | |
female again tale mutilation is against the law. There is a law that | :21:31. | :21:37. | |
criminal isz it. Would it be wise to do the same with witchcraft? Yes. We | :21:38. | :21:44. | |
have been advocating for a number of years now. There is a national | :21:45. | :21:50. | |
working group on abuse relate to go faith and belief which had an action | :21:51. | :22:01. | |
plan. However, it has its own specific category. We shouldn't just | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
put it within the normal abuse category. You would like to see | :22:06. | :22:08. | |
legislation, would you? I would like to see legislation. The difference | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
is people forget child abuse, there is different forms of abuse and | :22:13. | :22:15. | |
accusing a child of witchcraft is a different type of abuse. OK. So | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
actually... It is very much... Forget the abuse which there is | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
legislation which prohibits that obviously which is a criminal | :22:26. | :22:28. | |
offence, but accusing a child of witchcraft should be a criminal | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
offence? Yes. Having the child, if you were a child and every day I | :22:33. | :22:35. | |
told you that you were a witch, that's psychological abuse and | :22:36. | :22:38. | |
unfortunately, at the moment, there is no enough being done to help | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
survivors. So one of the things that I have been campaigning and I'm | :22:45. | :22:50. | |
starting a project doing, where we can help survivors in and out of | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
care. We speak about training and frontline staff, but no one speaks | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
about the survivors, what support is put in place to support them and | :22:58. | :23:00. | |
what justice they can get? At the moment, there is very, very little | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
cases where people have been brought to justice for abusing children or | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
even pastors, so something has to be done. Yes, I want to ask you about | :23:09. | :23:12. | |
pastors and Faith Leaders in a second. Yasmin, you were hesitant | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
when I said should there be legislation crim nationalingising | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
witchcraft or accusing somebody being a witch, why? We have seen a | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
rush to legislate for everything and there maybe a place for some | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
legislation, but I think labelling children as a witch is one | :23:33. | :23:43. | |
manifestation of spirits. You have got community members who are | :23:44. | :23:46. | |
witnessing things. You have got a lot happening behind closed doors. | :23:47. | :23:53. | |
There has been a lot of work done on this. A Stobbart Report going back | :23:54. | :23:56. | |
to 2006... Why don't you think it should be criminalised? There was a | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
load of recommendations including having a helpline and working with | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
survivors to whaer what it is that survivors think would help and I | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
have not heard anyone say legislation would help. Apart from | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
this young woman here? My work is with south Asians and people of | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
Middle Eastern origin and North African origin. What they are saying | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
to me is better understanding of some of the issues so when they come | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
forward and say I am being told I am being possessed or someone cast an | :24:29. | :24:31. | |
evil eye on me and this is why I have this illness or behaving in | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
this way, that there is an understanding and you are not told | :24:36. | :24:40. | |
it is ridiculous and to go away. But if there was legislation... We have | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
had legislation for FGM and we are still awaiting a conviction. The | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
criminal outcome arresting the pastors isn't the end of T there is | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
ongoing support for survivors and their families. We have to get into | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
the communities and work within them. Which kind of communities are | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
we talking about? We are talking about all communities. Not all | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
communities, are we? There is the African community and the Muslim | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
community and the 1.6 billion Muslims. The church of England has | :25:15. | :25:24. | |
exorcists in every diocese. Looking at the roles that religion play in | :25:25. | :25:27. | |
term of working with vulnerable people, and where that can spill | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
over into exploitation and to serious criminal offences, whether | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
it is exploiting people for money or culminating in murder which it sadly | :25:39. | :25:45. | |
does. I still think we should put a legislation out simply because there | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
has to be an example and at the moment, it is widely done. You can | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
walk down certain streets and go to certain churches and you can hear | :25:54. | :25:57. | |
the pastor preaching about a child or somebody is a witch, that's why | :25:58. | :26:00. | |
your life is not going correct until they realise that we are serious | :26:01. | :26:03. | |
about this, it is not going to stopl. Anybody can go and open up a | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
church. There is nothing that protects the children who attend the | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
churches to make sure that regardless of what you're preaching, | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
there is no deliverance happening that is abusive to these children | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
and as I've said, I do believe, we should start legislations and I | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
think more projects need to be put out there to ensure that survivors | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
are supported and communities are supported and teachers, social | :26:29. | :26:31. | |
workers, lawyers, immigration, frontline staff need to have a | :26:32. | :26:33. | |
better understanding because they are the people who work with these | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
children on a regular, I think one of the biggest upsets for me is | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
there was so many opportunities for people to save me, but because there | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
was a lack of understanding and a lack of knowledge, I slipped through | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
the net and that's what is happening on a day-to-day basis. What happened | :26:50. | :26:52. | |
to you? The fact that people got away with what they got away with | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
and the fact that the school wasn't sure how to go about it and at that | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
time, children themselves had very little voice than what they have | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
now. So I do believe that everybody from doctors, to schools, teachers, | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
and children should be taught at school that actually branding | :27:10. | :27:13. | |
children or branding anybody in a negative way is wrong. | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
I mentioned the that the Metropolitan Police last year had | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
dealt with 60 cases. It is a very small number of cases when you | :27:24. | :27:26. | |
compare it to other things, but the number of cases has gone up from | :27:27. | :27:35. | |
2013/2014, I'm just trying to get a sense of how much of a problem it is | :27:36. | :27:41. | |
in Britain. It is a huge problem. Is it huge? It is a huge problem. It is | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
just that it is under cover. We haven't even scratched the surface | :27:46. | :27:48. | |
of the issue when it comes to branding... It is a considerable | :27:49. | :27:55. | |
number and it is growing. Apart from the issue of legislation, we believe | :27:56. | :27:58. | |
there is need to work with communities and work with Faith | :27:59. | :28:01. | |
Leaders and that's what we have been doing over the years. We have been | :28:02. | :28:04. | |
able to go into the community and train a lot of Faith Leaders, I | :28:05. | :28:11. | |
trained 5,000 and also trained 1,000 practitioners for them to be able | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
towned stand what this type of abuse is for them to know what to do and | :28:16. | :28:24. | |
how to report and also I have helped victims of such abuse. If you pick | :28:25. | :28:31. | |
up a copy of the Moattry which is free, there are classifieds for | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
various faith healers who in return for money will help you find work | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
and help you solve your marriage problems. We have channels beamed | :28:39. | :28:47. | |
into people's homes channel from America or auth Asian channels which | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
is saying to people, call n we will give you a tal lisman or for a fee, | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
we will do this, we will do that, we will tell you how to get rid of the | :28:57. | :28:59. | |
demons in your house that are leading to your difficulties. Thank | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
you very much. Thank you for talking so openly as well. | :29:04. | :29:10. | |
Maureen tweets this, "These poor children. It is just awful abuse. | :29:11. | :29:13. | |
Social services have to watch out for this." Sarah says, "Your piece | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
on witchcraft just shows how belief can influence and affect lives. | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
These children need support and resources." LJ says, "It is a great | :29:23. | :29:28. | |
piece on witchcraft on your programme. Thank you Thank you for | :29:29. | :29:35. | |
bringing these issues to the fore." Lynn, "This hideous practise of | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
accusing children of being witches has got to stop. The police sud have | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
a no tolerance policy." A Government spokesman said, | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
"Nothing is more important No belief system can justify | :29:49. | :29:49. | |
the abuse of a child. Those responsible for child abuse | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
linked to faith or belief would be prosecuted under the same | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
legislation as anyone abusing or Our statutory guidance is crystal | :29:58. | :30:00. | |
clear that anyone who has concerns about a child's welfare should | :30:01. | :30:03. | |
report this to children's social We've also had a statement | :30:04. | :30:06. | |
through from the Met Police. It says, "Abuse linked to belief | :30:07. | :30:11. | |
is a horrific crime which is condemned by people of all cultures, | :30:12. | :30:14. | |
communities and faiths. Families or carers genuinely believe | :30:15. | :30:17. | |
that the victim has been completely taken over by the devil or an evil | :30:18. | :30:19. | |
spirit which is often supported by someone who within the community | :30:20. | :30:22. | |
has portrayed themselves Regardless of the beliefs | :30:23. | :30:25. | |
of the abusers, child abuse Our role is to safeguard children, | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
not challenge beliefs. We investigate crimes | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
against children, but our main aim is to prevent abuse | :30:35. | :30:36. | |
in the first place." Still to come, Roy Hodgson is set | :30:37. | :30:44. | |
to announce his provisional England We will look at the new type of | :30:45. | :30:54. | |
living space which will help those stuck in generation rent. Why so | :30:55. | :30:58. | |
many people who suspect they have dementia delay visiting their GP | :30:59. | :31:02. | |
because a diagnosis they think will mean their life is over. We will | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
hear about one mother who was terrified at discovering her | :31:08. | :31:08. | |
diagnosis. With the news, here's Joanna | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
in the BBC Newsroom Migrant arrivals to Greece have | :31:14. | :31:16. | |
dropped to a trickle because of the deal between the EU | :31:17. | :31:18. | |
and Turkey which discourages asylum But tens of thousands of people | :31:19. | :31:20. | |
are still stranded in Greece hoping to get to other parts | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
of the continent. The Greek administration has said it | :31:26. | :31:28. | |
needs other EU governments to help. A full inquiry into how a fake bomb | :31:29. | :31:35. | |
used in a training exercise came to be left at Manchester United's | :31:36. | :31:37. | |
stadium is being demanded by the city's mayor and Police | :31:38. | :31:40. | |
and Crime Commissioner. Tens of thousands of fans had to be | :31:41. | :31:42. | |
evacuated from Old Trafford yesterday, shortly before United's | :31:43. | :31:47. | |
game against Bournemouth. Child welfare experts are warning | :31:48. | :31:53. | |
about children being subjected to horrific treatment because their | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
families believe they are witches. Campaigners say it results | :31:58. | :32:11. | |
in children being exorcised in order Last year the Metropolitan Police | :32:12. | :32:14. | |
dealt with 60 cases, an increase of over 50% compared with | :32:15. | :32:21. | |
three years earlier. There are fears cases involving | :32:22. | :32:23. | |
witchcraft are not being Anything goes wrong in that family, | :32:24. | :32:25. | |
I was the responsibility for it. So it wasn't anything about, like, | :32:26. | :32:30. | |
genuine life problems. There's a warning that safety | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
in prisons in England and Wales has deteriorated rapidly | :32:35. | :32:43. | |
in the past year. MPs say they're concerned | :32:44. | :32:45. | |
about a soaring rise in suicides, attacks on staff, and serious | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
assaults in the last 12 months. The Justice Committee said that | :32:49. | :32:51. | |
improvement was urgently needed. Ministers say that | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
improvements are being made. The Chancellor, George Osborne, is | :32:56. | :33:07. | |
giving a speech about the dangers of leaving the EU, and he has teamed up | :33:08. | :33:10. | |
with the Liberal Democrats and Labour to show a united front. The | :33:11. | :33:16. | |
unlikely trio were introduced by Ryanair's Michael O'Leary at | :33:17. | :33:19. | |
Stansted Airport. Ed Balls, Vince Cable and I are from different | :33:20. | :33:25. | |
political parties. We fought each other at the last general election | :33:26. | :33:28. | |
with different economic argument and we have clashed repeatedly in the | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
House of Commons over the years. But there is one thing we all agree on. | :33:34. | :33:37. | |
And that is that it would be a huge mistake for Britain to leave the EU | :33:38. | :33:44. | |
and to leave the single market. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
Prince Harry have arrived at the Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park the | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
launch of their Heads Together campaign which is aiming to break | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
the stigma of mental health and illness. They want men to talk more | :33:57. | :34:03. | |
openly to reduce the number of men who take their own lives. Kate | :34:04. | :34:06. | |
already works with children's charities and Prince Harry will help | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
highlight the need to help army veterans. | :34:11. | :34:13. | |
University tuition fees in England are likely to rise for students | :34:14. | :34:15. | |
Under plans expected to be revealed by the Government today, | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
universities will face greater scrutiny of the quality | :34:20. | :34:21. | |
It will also become easier to open new universities. | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
But Labour has warned there aren't enough controls to stop too | :34:25. | :34:27. | |
Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11 o'clock. | :34:28. | :34:36. | |
Max Verstappen becomes the youngest winner of a Formula One race, | :34:37. | :34:42. | |
after an impressive performance at the Spanish Grand Prix. | :34:43. | :34:46. | |
He was 18 years and 228 days old when he won yesterday | :34:47. | :34:48. | |
Manchester City have all but secured their place | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
They drew 1-1 at Swansea and will finish fourth unless, | :34:54. | :35:00. | |
Manchester United thrash Bournemouth by 19 goals tomorrow. | :35:01. | :35:03. | |
Not a bad birthday present for Andy Murray. | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
He won the Italian Open in Rome as he turned 29, | :35:09. | :35:11. | |
against world number one Novak Djokovic. | :35:12. | :35:13. | |
So he's looking in great form ahead of the French Open next week. | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
And Tom Daley capped off a brilliant week to become diving's | :35:19. | :35:21. | |
He'd already won the 3m synchronised title and a silver | :35:22. | :35:27. | |
Now he is European champion for the ten metres individual. | :35:28. | :35:37. | |
I will have more on the BBC Sport website throughout the morning. Roy | :35:38. | :35:51. | |
Hodgson will be announcing his squad for the Euros at 11 o'clock. Danny | :35:52. | :35:58. | |
Welbeck's had to pull out with a knee injury which could open up a | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
space for Marcus Rashford. Let's go live to Wembley now. What are the | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
issues that Roy Hodgson will be grappling with full you can see the | :36:07. | :36:12. | |
media presents building behind me now because we are waiting on the | :36:13. | :36:19. | |
words of Roy Hodgson. Marcus Rashford could be there in a | :36:20. | :36:23. | |
training capacity, as we saw with John Stones Anna Flanagan before the | :36:24. | :36:28. | |
2014 World Cup. And the Danny Welbeck issue. His injury was part | :36:29. | :36:33. | |
of the reason why he had delayed naming the squad until today. It was | :36:34. | :36:37. | |
meant to be named on Thursday of last week. Andros Townsend might | :36:38. | :36:41. | |
come in, the Newcastle winger, who has come into form despite | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
Newcastle's relegation. There will be speculation about Theo Walcott, | :36:46. | :36:49. | |
the Arsenal forward who has not been in great form. He has not had many | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
opportunities of late and has a hamstring injury that will rule him | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
out for ten days or so, so presumably he wouldn't be available | :36:58. | :37:02. | |
for Sunday's first warm up match in Turkey. Jordan Henderson, he came in | :37:03. | :37:12. | |
as a substitute for Liverpool yesterday against West Brom. There | :37:13. | :37:18. | |
is a plethora of attacking options but defensively could be where the | :37:19. | :37:22. | |
concern is. The squad will be released at 11 o'clock by the | :37:23. | :37:25. | |
Football Association and then we will hear from Roy Hodgson. Thank | :37:26. | :37:27. | |
you. People who suspect they have | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
dementia are too frightened to go to the doctor because they think | :37:34. | :37:36. | |
a dementia diagnosis A poll for the Alzheimer's Society | :37:37. | :37:38. | |
found over half of GPs had diagnosed people who'd experienced | :37:39. | :37:42. | |
the symptoms for many months Dementia is the most feared | :37:43. | :37:44. | |
health condition in the UK but the society is urging people | :37:45. | :37:50. | |
to confront the condition head on. If treated earlier, patients tend | :37:51. | :37:54. | |
to live well for longer. Let's speak to Joy Watson, | :37:55. | :37:57. | |
who has dementia. And Christina Macdonald, | :37:58. | :38:02. | |
whose mother was so scared of the diagnosis, she refused | :38:03. | :38:04. | |
to believe she had the illness. Welcome to all of you and thank you | :38:05. | :38:18. | |
for coming on the programme. Joey, thank you for coming on the | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
programme. How are you? I am OK, thank you. Very busy. Good. You are | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
diagnosed with early onset dementia after six years of being unsure what | :38:30. | :38:34. | |
your symptoms meant, I think. What were the signs that meant you | :38:35. | :38:38. | |
thought things were not quite right? I think it started off with me being | :38:39. | :38:42. | |
clumsy. That is what I put it down to. I would bump into things and | :38:43. | :38:48. | |
drop things. Then my eyesight suddenly deteriorated. I was told it | :38:49. | :38:56. | |
was put down to stress or depression or even the menopause. When you were | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
given the Alzheimer's diagnosis, how did you react? I was obviously | :39:02. | :39:10. | |
devastated. I had a good idea of what could be ahead because I have | :39:11. | :39:16. | |
nursed people with dementia. The first two month I just spent on the | :39:17. | :39:19. | |
sofa feeling sorry for myself and suicidal. Then I realised there was | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
more to life than dementia and this could be a new journey for me. As | :39:25. | :39:35. | |
you say, your job was as a private carer for people with outsiders. | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
That meant you knew exactly what it entails, but do you think that put | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
you off getting a diagnosis? Were you afraid to go and see medical | :39:44. | :39:50. | |
professionals about yourself? I guess I was putting it on the back | :39:51. | :39:54. | |
burner and hoping that it wasn't dementia. So in that respect, I | :39:55. | :40:01. | |
buried my head in the sand. But at the same time, I really needed to | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
know why I was behaving the way I was and why I was struggling with | :40:06. | :40:12. | |
certain issues. I am just going to bring in Christina, who is sitting | :40:13. | :40:15. | |
alongside me in the studio. Bear with me for one second. Tell us | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
about your mother and how afraid she was of dementia. She just wouldn't | :40:21. | :40:26. | |
accept that anything was wrong, which was the biggest problem that | :40:27. | :40:29. | |
we had. Her memory started to let her down and she had trouble | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
recalling things, conversations that we had had five or ten minutes | :40:34. | :40:40. | |
before. She put it down to memory, you know, her memory not being very | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
good because she was getting older. She refused to see the GP and | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
refused to admit other than memory not being quite as good as it was | :40:49. | :40:52. | |
that anything was wrong. Refused for how long to see the GP? A good year | :40:53. | :40:58. | |
or so. She would never have agreed to go and see the GP about concerns | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
about her memory. We only got to to the GP because she developed a water | :41:04. | :41:10. | |
infection and I managed to throw it into the GP that memory wasn't good | :41:11. | :41:20. | |
while we were there. When she was diagnosed, could she accepted? She | :41:21. | :41:23. | |
couldn't understand it. I don't think she understood what it meant. | :41:24. | :41:31. | |
The irony is, but I think every case is unique and everybody is an | :41:32. | :41:34. | |
individual and that is important to say, but within a day or so of going | :41:35. | :41:39. | |
to the GP she didn't remember the visit or the conversation and | :41:40. | :41:45. | |
therefore the diagnosis. And how has she been since diagnosis and what | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
have you put in place to support her? It has been a long journey and | :41:50. | :41:53. | |
she was diagnosed officially in 2009 and he probably had it for a couple | :41:54. | :41:59. | |
of years before that. For me it has been a massive learning curve. She | :42:00. | :42:02. | |
lived on her own for a couple of years and wanted to stay as | :42:03. | :42:05. | |
independent as long as possible. For me, I needed to get as much advice | :42:06. | :42:10. | |
and support as I could to put the steps in place to get the care that | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
she needed. I went to the outside is shown in London which is coming | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
again on the 10th and 11th of June this year. -- Alzheimer's show. I | :42:20. | :42:26. | |
spoke to experts, about navigating the system, how to get help, which | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
is what I think people struggle with. We cannot do it on our own. I | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
was working full-time and she didn't live locally to me so it was obvious | :42:36. | :42:40. | |
that we needed help. How do you access that support? It is important | :42:41. | :42:44. | |
to spend time looking into that and doing your research. As a GP, as | :42:45. | :42:52. | |
Christina says, everybody is different, so as a GP, how do people | :42:53. | :42:56. | |
usually react when they are diagnosed with dementia? Of course | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
there is a lot of fear and worry and anxiety about what the future will | :43:01. | :43:06. | |
hold. I think it is very important to get that diagnosis early. That is | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
what we are trying to get out there. If there are symptoms of memory loss | :43:12. | :43:14. | |
and brain function impairment of sorts, then you really need to get | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
diagnosed and seen quickly. In some cases there may be treatments | :43:20. | :43:22. | |
available that can slow down progression. You might get help, | :43:23. | :43:28. | |
physiotherapy, psychological therapy, these things that can | :43:29. | :43:31. | |
assist with your day-to-day living, for example. Unfortunately, because | :43:32. | :43:37. | |
we very often see patients quite late on, things have progressed | :43:38. | :43:44. | |
quite fast, quite far, so we are not living things in the bud earlier, | :43:45. | :43:50. | |
which is a real worry for us. Your message today is that you may not | :43:51. | :43:53. | |
want to but it will benefit you if you confronted early on and get to | :43:54. | :43:59. | |
the GP? Yes. It is very difficult and there are lots of unknowns out | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
there when you this diagnosis, but when you have the information, as we | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
were discussing earlier, when you are armed with the information, you | :44:09. | :44:11. | |
can make decisions at a time when you are still able to make the | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
decisions about your future care, things like lasting power of | :44:16. | :44:22. | |
attorney. It is so depressing! It is very difficult but it is easier to | :44:23. | :44:27. | |
make those decisions now. I patients always tell me they don't want to be | :44:28. | :44:32. | |
a burden on their family. I think it gives them some relief to have | :44:33. | :44:34. | |
things in place earlier which can gives them some relief to have | :44:35. | :44:39. | |
helped with an earlier diagnosis. Yes. This research comes down to | :44:40. | :44:45. | |
people not wanting to hear the truth because that would mean their life | :44:46. | :44:50. | |
is over. You mentioned that you were in depression and you felt suicidal | :44:51. | :44:55. | |
for a couple of months. Do you feel your life is over now you have had | :44:56. | :45:01. | |
this diagnosis? No, not now. I think it was the initial shock of getting | :45:02. | :45:06. | |
a diagnosis. With me being so young. I was only 49 when my symptoms | :45:07. | :45:11. | |
started. Once I realised that it was the beginning of a new journey, not | :45:12. | :45:15. | |
the end of my life, that I could still do things, all the things that | :45:16. | :45:22. | |
I enjoy doing. OK, so I need support and I need other people around me, | :45:23. | :45:28. | |
but I try to do almost all the things that I used to do. What would | :45:29. | :45:35. | |
you say to somebody who is watching who might be having the symptoms | :45:36. | :45:41. | |
that you described earlier? Memory loss, perhaps clumsiness, or the | :45:42. | :45:47. | |
relative of somebody showing those symptoms. What would you say to | :45:48. | :45:49. | |
them? multi-facetted I would say go and | :45:50. | :45:55. | |
check it out. There are so many other things it could be just p tout | :45:56. | :46:00. | |
to one side that fear TV being dementia. Even if you get a | :46:01. | :46:05. | |
diagnosis to realise that you can live well with dementia. OK, so I | :46:06. | :46:11. | |
understand that further down the line things are not that easy, but | :46:12. | :46:19. | |
to just find things like myself, I have managed to get myself a little | :46:20. | :46:25. | |
job. Now when I first had to give up my nursing career I thought, you | :46:26. | :46:29. | |
know, this is the end, I'll never work again, but that's not | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
necessarily the case. I went out there and found this little job | :46:34. | :46:41. | |
working with Age UK that is promoting awareness and just helping | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
other people really. Thank you very much, Joy. Thank you for coming on | :46:47. | :46:50. | |
the programme. I appreciate your time. I wish you all the best as | :46:51. | :46:57. | |
well. Joy Watson who was diagnosed with early onset dementia at the age | :46:58. | :47:01. | |
of 49 as you heard her say. Christina, thank you very much for | :47:02. | :47:04. | |
telling us about your mum and thank you from the GP's prospective. | :47:05. | :47:13. | |
Could a new type of living space in North London be the answer | :47:14. | :47:16. | |
to those stuck in so-called generation rent, unable to afford | :47:17. | :47:19. | |
Property prices continue to climb, going up 8.6% in the year | :47:20. | :47:22. | |
to the end of January, according to the Office for National | :47:23. | :47:25. | |
That puts the average house price at ?292,000. | :47:26. | :47:28. | |
But by combining small bedrooms and communal living areas including | :47:29. | :47:30. | |
a spa, restaurant and games room, with most bills included | :47:31. | :47:33. | |
in the rental price, is a co-living environment a good | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
deal or just another way to exploit people trying to get a foot | :47:38. | :47:40. | |
In the next 10 minutes or so the England football squad | :47:41. | :53:35. | |
for the European Championships is going to be announced. | :53:36. | :53:37. | |
Manager Roy Hodgson is set to tell the assembled press | :53:38. | :53:40. | |
at Wembley Stadium which 23 players will be making the short flight | :53:41. | :53:42. | |
Wales and Northern Ireland are due to announce their | :53:43. | :53:45. | |
Let's speak to former England international Gary Mabbutt | :53:46. | :53:48. | |
Welcome both of you. Right, shall we talk about strikers first of all, | :53:49. | :53:55. | |
Gary. Who would you ib taking. Who should Roy Hodgson be taking? Good | :53:56. | :53:58. | |
morning, Victoria. It is always a pleasure to join you. Striker wise, | :53:59. | :54:04. | |
I think Jamie Vardy and Harry Kane have to be thereafter the seasons | :54:05. | :54:07. | |
they had. Sturridge will probably join them and Wayne Rooney. There is | :54:08. | :54:10. | |
a lot of debate about Wayne Rooney, but I have always been a big | :54:11. | :54:14. | |
supporter and his experience, the respect that he has with the whole | :54:15. | :54:18. | |
squad, he will be on the squad list. Yeah. Should he start the first | :54:19. | :54:26. | |
game? I have known Roy for over 35 years and knowing Roy he goes with | :54:27. | :54:29. | |
players who are in form and of course, at the moment, Jamie Vardy | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
and Harry Kane are the two players in form. I would start with those | :54:35. | :54:39. | |
two, but as I say, in a competition situation, there will always be | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
injuries, suspensions, so there will be plenty of places for other | :54:44. | :54:49. | |
places. In Roy Hodgson always go for players in form, why is he taking | :54:50. | :54:54. | |
Jack Wilshere? You have to have creativity and players who can | :54:55. | :54:58. | |
create something out of nothing. A player that can, when the game is | :54:59. | :55:01. | |
going against you, you don't deserve to win it. A player who can turn the | :55:02. | :55:05. | |
game on its head and win it for you. Jack Wilshere has that ability and | :55:06. | :55:11. | |
he is giving players like Wilshere and Henderson and Stirling a chance | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
to prove their fitness and he is fair and reasonable is Roy and he | :55:16. | :55:18. | |
will give players every opportunity to prove to him that they are | :55:19. | :55:22. | |
available and fit. Rachel, as a football agent, who do you think he | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
should be taking? Well, there are so many that he should be taking. He is | :55:27. | :55:32. | |
so lucky this time because there is an enormous amount of players. | :55:33. | :55:37. | |
Predecessors didn't always have that advantage. I would like to see him | :55:38. | :55:41. | |
take, I'm biassed, I would like to see him take Noble. I don't think | :55:42. | :55:49. | |
Mark Noble will be in that squad. It is a great point that Rachel raises, | :55:50. | :55:57. | |
why not Mark Noble? Mark Noble is creative in mid-field, leave Jack | :55:58. | :56:03. | |
Wilshere at home. He is a risk. In the mid-field you have Barkley, | :56:04. | :56:07. | |
Lallana and Wilshere, players like that. Sew has to make decisions. He | :56:08. | :56:11. | |
will give every player a fair opportunity, but Roy will have gone | :56:12. | :56:14. | |
through every single permutation in his squad and he will put down the | :56:15. | :56:18. | |
players he believes are the best to get the performance that he | :56:19. | :56:22. | |
requires. Do you represent Mark Noble? No, I don't. I think he is an | :56:23. | :56:28. | |
amazing player who can play in different positions. Do you want | :56:29. | :56:34. | |
Andy Carroll to be in the scaud? Yes, in the squad for sure because | :56:35. | :56:38. | |
it is such, or potentially such a young squad, it would be nice to | :56:39. | :56:43. | |
have a few older heads there which is why I agree that Wayne Rooney | :56:44. | :56:48. | |
should be first on the team sheet. What about Marcus rash ford? He is a | :56:49. | :56:53. | |
proper adult, he is 18. Should he be in the squad? Age shouldn't have | :56:54. | :56:57. | |
anything to do with it. His ability is amazing. He will just go crazy as | :56:58. | :57:05. | |
far as his, wanting to show his ability. You need a balance of | :57:06. | :57:09. | |
established players and players that nobody really know what is they are | :57:10. | :57:13. | |
going to do on the day, hopefully only good stuff, but you never know. | :57:14. | :57:21. | |
Gary, where are you on Marcus Rashford? I think Marcus has got | :57:22. | :57:26. | |
fantastic potential. He will be an England regular in the future, but I | :57:27. | :57:29. | |
think this maybe a tournament too early for him. Looking at the | :57:30. | :57:34. | |
players that Roy has got to choose from, I think Marcus will be joining | :57:35. | :57:37. | |
the squad for the pre-tournament training, but I don't think he will | :57:38. | :57:41. | |
be in the final squad. Not this time, but certainly, he has got a | :57:42. | :57:44. | |
great future in front of him. We have got seconds. How far will | :57:45. | :57:48. | |
England go, Gary and then Rachel? If we can get the same team spirit and | :57:49. | :57:54. | |
same Work ethic we showed against Germany, it could be an exciting | :57:55. | :57:59. | |
summer for England fans. He has not answered the questions. Very well. | :58:00. | :58:07. | |
The tournament? Why not? Somebody has got to win. We have this on | :58:08. | :58:13. | |
tape! Thank you very much Gary, thank you Rachel. | :58:14. | :58:17. | |
The announcement is in two minutes here live on BBC News. Have a good | :58:18. | :58:19. | |
day. Joanna is next. This could be the game | :58:20. | :58:32. | |
of the season. There's going to be fireworks. | :58:33. | :58:36. | |
'A repeat of the 1990 final.' What do you mean, | :58:37. | :58:38. | |
we're going to out-play him, cocker? It's going to be tight. It's got | :58:39. | :58:41. | |
penalties written all over it. | :58:42. | :58:47. |