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We are getting unconfirmed reports that it has crashed off the Greek

islands. One of British person was on board. We will bring you the

latest throughout the programme. Also today: One death every three

seconds from superbugs - the latest blunt warning

about the future we face unless there's urgent action

to tackle antibiotic resistance. We need to re-educate all 7 billion

of us all over the world that antibiotics are useful when used

with the right thing and in the right dosage, just as we were

putting the final touches to our paper there was a major study being

done in the US demonstrating that at least one in three of all

antibiotics prescribed are not necessary.

And overcrowding, drug abuse and violence -

can the major problems facing many of our prisons be overcome?

We'll look at Government plans to improve education

and rehabilitation of inmates and ask if they will work.

We'll bring you the latest on the missing EgyptAir plane

We'll also be live at the Supreme Court where judges

will decide whether to lift an injunction forbidding the naming

of a celebrity involved in an extra-marital relationship.

Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

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In the last few minutes it has been reported that an eejit at passenger

plane flying from Paris to Cairo last night has crashed off the Greek

islands. Flight MS804 had 56 passengers

and ten crew on board, Most of the passengers

were Egyptian. There were also 15

French people and one Briton. The Airbus 320 left Paris

at about 11PM yesterday evening It was scheduled to fly over

the Adriatic and across Greece, arriving in the Egyptian capital

soon after 3am. It went missing from the radar

at 2.45am local time, with the first reports coming out

about five hours ago. The plane was flying at 37,000 feet

when it disappeared ten miles The last contact with the pilot

was about ten minutes before Egypt's prime minister

says search and rescue The French have offered planes

and ships to help out. The Egyptian prime minister

was asked if terrorism could be involved -

he said no possibility These were the scenes at the

check-in desk at Charles de Gaulle airport as the news emerged this

morning. The eejit air flight took off from here hours earlier at

11:09pm yesterday evening -- eejit air. The airline said there were 56

passengers including one child and two babies, including ten crew on

board MS804. The Airbus 820 was travelling from Paris to Cairo. It

disappeared from radar about ten miles after entering Egyptian

airspace of the Mediterranean Sea. The airline tweeted that flight

MS804 lost contact at quarter to three, about 20 minutes before it

was scheduled to land in the Egyptian capital. They said they had

contacted the authorities. Search teams have been sent to the last

recorded location, 30 to 40 miles north of aged's coast. According to

one unconfirmed report, the captain of a ship about 150 miles south of

the Greek island, reported seeing a flame in the sky. They have

pinpointed roughly where they have seen it go down -- where they

believe it has gone down, unfortunately the deepest part of

the Mediterranean. My belief is there are ships, radar and a plane

on the way to the crash site and so they are basically suggesting that

it has actually gone down into the Mediterranean. As time goes by,

Cairo International Airport has become a focal point, where families

of the missing passengers have started to gather. They await news

of their loved ones. We can speak now to our Paris

correspondent Lucy Williamson who's The latest we are hearing is that

they think this plane may have come down near the Greek island of car

Paphos. What are you hearing? It has been quite confusing morning

with the Egyptian authorities appearing to say one thing and then

retracting and the Egyptian military denying they have had this distress

signal sent to them. Now it seems that the bits of information we are

getting are coalescing around the possibility that the plane has

crashed into the sea but it is of course very early days still. Behind

me the EgyptAir desk has just opened, I don't know if you can see

but it is mobbed here this morning, people here in France obviously

concerned for the French passengers on board the plane along with the 30

Egyptian and many other nationalities of course. But also

questions being raised here in front about what, if anything, might have

gone wrong here at Charles de Gaulle airport where the plane took off. Of

course we don't know yet whether the plane has crashed and what might

have caused it but you can imagine at a tense time like this in France

there are already questions being asked. What can you tell us about

who was on board? 56 -- 66 people, one Briton amongst those other

nationalities, mostly Egyptian, and some French as well as others, what

can you tell us about those security personnel on board?

We know that there were ten crew on board, and according to the reports

from Egypt air there were seven cabin crew, seven crew, if you like,

and three security officials. We are not clear yet exactly what role they

played but that is one of the things that people are keen to pin down,

what their role was and why they were on board, was it a regular

thing? EgyptAir have had problems in the past, are hijacking back in

March, another Egyptian airline was blown up over the Sinai last

October, so eejit has had a rather bad year when it comes to airline

security. Whether the security officials were a routine thing or

whether they're a were something special and as I say that is the

question, one of many questions being asked here.

Our correspondent Sally Nabil is in Cairo.

What is the latest you are hearing their?

I am at Cairo International Airport where many family of the passengers

have been arriving over the last hour. They looked distressed and

heartbroken and they were reluctant to speak to the media, we rarely

managed to speak to one of them and they complained about the lack of

information and want the authorities to give them more information about

what has happened. They are still waiting for more updates from the

aviation authorities. Just a short while ago the Egyptian Prime

Minister spoke to the media, when he was asked about the reasons behind

the sudden disappearances that it was very early to make presumptions.

He said they are investigating all possible scenarios and not excluding

any of them. He said it might be a terrorist attack, who knows? They

are still digging into the story and looking at all of the options. In

less than four minutes from now the Ministry of civil aviation will hold

a press conference -- hold a meeting with the families and we will have

to wait and see what is happening but they are dismissing reports

talking about the reasons behind the disappearance of the plane and said

that media should stick to official statement issued by eejit air or the

Ministry of civil aviation. -- issued by EgyptAir.

Ayew able to confirm whether there were distress reports or not? There

have been conflicting reports. It was reported there was a distress

signal at around 4:30am local time, the military team reported as

discovering that, but a military statement later totally denying the

reports. So far we know that no distress calls were issued from the

cabin crew, according to official statements. We understand as well

that rescue and search operations are under way, the Army has already

deployed aircraft and maybe ships to search the area where the plane is

believed to have disappeared. Greece is helping as well, France has

offered help, we understand the National Security Council will

convene shortly. The Egyptian president has been in contact to try

to coordinate the search and rescue operations and efforts. .

If you or anyone you know is concerned about relatives or friends

following the disappearance of that flight, there is a free number you

can call provided by EgyptAir. You can find the latest information

on this developing story on a special live page on the BBC News

website. Annita is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary Superbugs resistant to antibiotics

will kill someone every three seconds by 2050 unless the world

acts now, according A global review led by the economist

Jim O'Neill was asked by the Prime Minister to investigate

the problem two years ago. In its final report it says over

?27 billion needs to be While the review was taking place,

doctors discovered bacteria that can shrug off a medicine called

'colistin' - known as We'll be speaking to people affected

by superbugs later in the show. A leading Conservative MP

campaigning for the UK to leave the EU says the debate has descended

into "insults, personal attacks Steve Baker, who co-chairs

the Conservatives For Britain group, has accused Downing Street

of briefing against Tories However, Number Ten has dismissed

the claims and insist its campaign The doctors' union,

the British Medical Association, is to ballot its members

about whether to accept a deal reached yesterday with Government

negotiators to end the dispute over a new contract for junior

doctors in England. Both sides reached an agreement

on weekend working, after ten days of talks

at the conciliation service, ACAS. The BMA says it's the "best

and final way" to end the row. Researchers from Oxford University

say people who have symptoms of a minor stroke should be

given aspirin immediately. A study in the medical journal

The Lancet claims the benefits of aspirin in preventing further

strokes or limiting their harm A rare diamond has fetched

an astonishing ?39.5 million making it the most expensive jewel

ever sold at an auction. Two phone bidders entered into a 20

minute bidding war for the large, translucent blue gem -

known as the Oppenheimer Blue. It gets it's name from it's previous

owner Sir Philip Oppenheimer, who controlled the Diamond Syndicate

in London. The buyer's identity

hasn't been made public. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30. We will keep you up-to-date with the

latest developments on that pound EgyptAir flight MS804 which went off

the radar at 37,000 feet just 15 minutes or so from its destination

of Cairo. The latest reports are that it has possibly come down near

the Greek island of Karpathos. 66 people were on board the flight. We

will stay across the development and keep you up-to-date. We will also be

talking about prisons and how they can be improved. Get in touch with

us throughout the morning using the hashtag, and if you text you will be

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Let's catch up with the sport. I still cannot get over the size of

that Diamond! Liverpool's dreams of another

European trophy and maybe even more importantly

champions league football Their fans outnumbered those

of opponents Sevilla in the Europa League final

last night in Basel, but on the pitch their players were

very much second-best. Liverpool dominated the first half

and took a deserved lead with this spectacular effort

from Daniel Sturridge. It took just 17

seconds for Seviilla to equalise Kevin Gameiro put the Spanish side

level and then their captain Coke ruined Liverpool's

night with two goals. The second was initially

ruled out for offside It's Sevilla's THIRD successive

Europa League final win. It's the second final Liverpool have

lost under manager We will use this, that is what we

have to do. We are not in and international competition next year,

which means no football on Thursday, so we will use it and we will come

back stronger, that is the shore. They may have been relegated

from the Premier League, but some good news for Aston Villa

fans this morning, as a takeover has been agreed by Chinese

entrepreneur Dr Tony Xia. He's agreed a ?60-million

deal with current owner Randy Lerner, which is subject

to Football League approval. It would make him the sole owner

of the now Championship club. Overcrowded cells, thousands

of assaults, endemic drug use Prisons in England and Wales

face enormous challenges in achieving their aim

of rehabilitating prisoners Now the Government has unveiled

a series of proposals aimed Under the plans, tagged inmates

could be sent home on week days and there would be more emphasis

on educating prisoners. Governors in six prisons -

including Wandsworth, one of the biggest in Europe -

will be given new powers over budgets and setting

the daily regime. This week our correspondent

Ed Thomas has been reporting Here are some extracts

from his reports, which give a sense You won't be able

to defend yourself. If you can't defend yourself,

you'll become a victim, innit. They'll have murders in here,

left, right and centre. I've gone to them and I said

at the end of the day you are putting me in a predicament

where I have no alternative With the greatest of respect

they are so short staffed in here this place can't run,

it's unsafe, even a lot of the staff There is spice, you can get heroin,

you can get crack, you can get Right now all I've got to do

is go down to the twos, to the threes, to the ones,

everything is there, Here to discuss this

is Courtney Porter who has spent much of the last decade

in the prison system, Mark Johnson who spent time in jail

as a young adult and now runs a mentoring charity,

Former prison governor Peter Dawson, and Nina Champion a prison

education specialist. Thank you for joining us. Peter, you

are a former governor and deputy director of the Prison Reform Trust.

The director of the Prison Reform Trust has summed up the situation in

Britain's is this by saying they have been the most neglected, least

visible public service. How would you sum it up? That is right. It is

encouraging that the Government has put prisoners at the front of their

injured agenda. It shows there is an urgent and immediate problem to be

soulful stock of prisons are not safe, it will not be possible for to

rehabilitate. That was a snapshot we are looking at. How representative

is it? Some prisoners are still doing a good job. National numbers

show the number of people dying, the number of assaults and the amount of

disorder in prisons is all getting worse. Those trends appear to be

accelerating. Where does rehabilitating inmates rank in the

list of priorities? Most people who have lived or worked in prison say

the safest prisons are the ones where prisoners are out most and

staff have a chance to get to know them it means staff can see where

they are not coping. Why does that not happen? It is the ratio between

staff and prisoners. You can increase the number of staff and

look at the number of people held in prison. We have doubled the number

of people imprisoned over the last 20 years. We have said you spent the

last ten years in and out of prison. What have you experience is being?

Mental health issues is the big thing. They do not address people

with mental health issues. You go in there and to get put into the stick.

It is really horrible. I have suffered from depression, illness. I

have tried to kill myself before. There's nothing for mental health.

That is a big issue. There was nothing where you get out of jail.

When you come out of jail there is nothing. They leave us with nothing.

You have to go to the Jobcentre for a course. There is no help, nothing.

When you have gone inside, each time, how have you felt? Have you

ever felt you are therefore rehabilitation? There is no

rehabilitation. I go in there and to the courses. When you come out none

of the courses are helping me. Do they do courses inside? Why did

they not help? You get the courses. When they come out

of jail, they do not mean nothing. You go to the Jobcentre.

I have done English, maths, painting and decorating.

Quite a few courses. When I go to the Jobcentre, I have said, can you

for a forklift course? I found in jail and took it to the Jobcentre.

They said, we cannot help you. You have to try and

sign on, tried to look for work. I have nowhere to live. I am sofa

surfing right now. Did you ever settle into a life with

a job? No, they never give people second

chances. If you have a criminal record, no one

gives us a second chance. Me, I will work anywhere.

I will give 100%, 10% back. They do not do anything. My mother suffers

from schizophrenia. I have been through the system for a long time.

They do not help my mum, let alone me. You are 45.

You went to jail when you were 16. You have spent four years in all in

jail. Tell us your experiences. said already about mental health and

drink and So many people have drink related

offending. None of the announcement is around

addressing the true causes. He said he would

put mental health as the number-one priority for him.

We are talking about staffing levels designs of prison and putting

prisoners back in control, but not getting to the

point. The last time you are in jail was

1997. What stop cycle? It was not prison. I used drugs from a very

early age. I got clean in 2000. I went to one-year residential drug

treatment. It was a 1970s room, with holes in the chairs and with a group

of people who really understood the nature of my problems. They were

prepared to roll their sleeves up and get into my head.

All of the consequences I had in the past.

caused me huge consequences, we talk about the victims. The

Once I addressed those reasons, I started to want to go to learn. I

did an RSA in arboriculture. I set up a charity in 2009 with my own

money. Now it turns over 1.6 million and reaches

The key parts, which gets missed across the board makes me quite

angry, is the public. When somebody goes to court and goes to prison,

the public wants to know the reasons they are there getting addressed.

Not literacy and numerous ee. It is very middle-class perception of

education and vocations. -- and numerous leave. You work with

education in prisons. The prison 's education trust has been calling for

a long time for reform to prison education. It is not just about a

sick qualifications but it includes out. It includes a much wider

aspect, addressing behaviours and attitudes, working with other

people. All the skills you need to survive and cope in prison and after

release. How widely is that happening?

Half will reoffend within a year of release. It needs radical change.

It is absolutely crucial. Education is a real driver for that. It is

about engaging people in education. Often they have really bad

experiences. The broad description of what you give would be different

from the perspective most people have when the word, education, is

first mentioned. Is that what you think will happen? I really hope so.

Giving governors the freedom and flexibility to look at the needs of

prison populations. Every prison is different. Prisoners who want

on courses and have a career, actually they should be harnessed.

He said he had to wait three months to get on a course.

Using things like arts and sports and

releasing people on day release and college and going on placements, all

of these things should drive a much bigger focus. One thing you cannot

get around is about the criminal record and people being

reluctant to give someone a second chance. The report

I recognise it as understanding what prisons are like and how

stitching bits together is difficult. Another important

announcement the Prime Minister made is called banging the box in the

civil service. You do not have to say at the first point whether you

have a criminal record or not. People can see what you are like and

judge you on your personality. It is really important that other

employers do that. The Prime Minister said it to put down a

challenge to other employers to adopt the same procedure. They were

talking about education progression. He has done a lot of low-level

courses. People want to progress to higher levels. If you're going for a

job in competing against some of who does not have a conviction, you have

something extra to offer an employer and say, I have a level three rather

than a level two and I have this further experience. That will give

you the edge. Housing is the main thing was that if you do not have

someone stable with you, they move you back into the same area where

you will be offended. It is appalling. I have been through the

system so much. They have never, ever help me out. What do you say

about that? More importantly a more relevant now

is I am in an organisation run by mostly prisoners.

disconnect, the announcements made in prison, everyone agrees broadly

it is really positive but it still does not tackle the real key points.

within four walls. The problem is, everybody gets out. If he has not

had his key issues addressed, why other reasons you are here? I know

Courtney did not get assessed. He still has not been assessed for

mental health. On release there is a disconnect because there are 21

different providers around the country that to rehabilitation

within the community and they need to be shared. The governors need to

have a stake in long-term rehabilitation. We need to be

looking at that as not to separate organisations or five, it needs to

be one. Someone needs to be in charge of getting the numbers down

and really reducing reoffending. That is what so great about looking

at the outcome focused measures. It is about looking at

what is beyond the gate. If you start to say, you will be judged on

a number of people who reoffend when they are released and the number of

people with accommodation at the number of people going into

education training, suddenly that becomes a big incentive for everyone

to start looking beyond the gate and what will happen afterwards.

Well, in a statement the Justice Secretary Michael Gove

said prisons must do more to rehabilitate offenders.

In a statement he said: "By trusting governors to get on with the job,

we can make sure prisons are places of education, work and

These reforms will reduce re-offending, cut crime

Let me bring you some news on the missing plane that was travelling to

Cairo, MS804, 66 passengers on board, believed to have gone down

near to the Greek island of Karpathos. We are hearing the Royal

Navy is now making contingency plans to help in the search. RFA Lyme Bay,

Cardigan Bay and HMS enterprise are all in the region and are ready to

help if requested. You can see there the map, the plane went down in the

early hours of the morning just short of Cairo, its destination from

Paris. It was an Airbus A320. There were initial reports that a distress

signal was sent out but those reports have been denied. The

Egyptian Prime Minister has said he cannot rule out any possibility when

asked whether a terrorist attack was behind that plane going missing. We

are expecting a news conference live in Paris shortly, so we will bring

that to you when it happens, and we will keep you up-to-date with all of

the latest of elements. In the next few minutes a court

is due to rule on a privacy injunction preventing identificaiton

of a celebrity involved We will be talking about that in

Junction and the ruling today. Sir Nicholas Winton,

the man known as Britain's Schindler is remembered for bringing nearly

700 Jewish children to Britain in 1939 - we speak to his son

and one of the children he rescued. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of todays news. It's reported that an EgyptAir plane

from Paris to Cairo that disappeared off radar overnight has

crashed 130 miles off There were 66 people on board,

including one British person. Flight MS804 - an Airbus A320 -

was en route from Paris to Cairo. It went missing about 20 minutes

before it was due to land The RAF says it is making

contingency plans to help look for the missing plane, and the Royal

Navy said it has three ships in the region ready to help if requested.

Superbugs resistant to antibiotics will kill someone every three

seconds by 2050 unless the world acts now, according

A global review led by the economist Jim O'Neill was asked

by the Prime Minister to investigate the problem two years ago.

In its final report it says over ?27 billion needs to be

While the review was taking place, doctors discovered bacteria that can

shrug off a medicine called colistin - known as

The doctors' union, the British Medical Association,

is to ballot its members about whether to accept a deal

reached yesterday with Government negotiators to end the dispute over

a new contract for junior doctors in England.

Both sides reached an agreement on weekend working,

after ten days of talks at the conciliation service,

The BMA says it's the "best and final way" to end the row.

More than 200,000 Vauxhall Zafiras are to be recalled for a second time

over a problem that has seen some cars burst into flames.

The manufacturer said the issue was caused by improper

repairs to the vehicles' blower motor resistor.

The cars were initially recalled last December.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

Let me just tell you that we are hearing from the Supreme Court that

the celebrity who wants to keep his name out of a tabloid newspaper in a

story about alleged extramarital activities has won his fight at the

Supreme Court to stop the Sun On Sunday revealing his identity, that

has just come through and we will be talking about it shortly, but that's

just through from the Supreme Court. That catch up with the sport with

Tim. Liverpool's dream of another

European trophy and Champions League They were beaten 3-1 by Sevilla in

the Europa League final last night. It's the second final they've lost

under manager Jurgen Aston Villa are set be taken over

by Chinese entrepreneur Dr Tony Xia. He's struck a ?60-million deal

with current owner Randy Lerner, which is subject to

Football League approval. It would make him the sole owner

of the Championship club. Harlequins prop Joe Marler has

withdrawn from England's Marler was suspended for kicking

an opponent in April. That followed a two-match ban

for calling Wales' Samson Lee "Gypsy And history beckons for England

captain Alastair Cook ahead of this morning's first Test

against Sri Lanka at Headingley. The 31-year-old needs just 36 runs

to become the youngest player Let me bring you back to that

Supreme Court ruling I was telling you about a moment ago. The

celebrity who wants to keep his name out of a tabloid newspaper story

about alleged extramarital activities has won his fight against

the Sun On Sunday revealing his identity. Let's take you straight to

the supreme court to listen in. Section 12 subsection four's

reference to a privacy code is relevant to the children since MGN

subscribes to the independent press and the scope which confirms editors

must demonstrate an exceptional public interest to override the

normally paramount interests of children. Fourthly, as to public

availability. It is true that the story has been accessible on the

Internet and social media. But if the injunction were to be lifted

there would be intensive coverage of the story by the Sun On Sunday and

there is little doubt by other newspapers, as well as unrestricted

Internet and social media coverage. All of which would constitute

additional and potentially more enduring invasions of the privacy of

PDFs, his partner, and their children. Turning to other factors,

if publication were permitted now, it would be likely to deprive a

trial of any real purpose since all privacy by then would have been

destroyed. Damages after the event, whatever their measure, would be

unlikely to give any real consolation or redress to any of

those involved. Bearing in mind all the circumstances, the court has

come to the conclusion that the injunction should continue pending

trial on the basis that first the absence on present evidence on any

genuine public interest justifying publication means that a permanent

injunction would be likely to be granted at trial, and second and

interim injunction is appropriate to project -- protect PJS, his partner

and their children pending a full trial which should not be rendered

substantially relevant. The appeal will accordingly be allowed and the

injunction restored and continued until trial or further order.

The court is now adjourned. That was the ruling in the Supreme

Court that means that the celebrity who wants to keep his name out of a

tabloid newspaper story about alleged extramarital activities has

won his fight to stop the Sun On Sunday revealing his identity. We

heard the judge saying the editors must demonstrate exceptional public

interest to override the paramount interest of children and said that

was not the case in this particular case. He described relatively old

sexual history and two young children involved here. The

injunction remains in place. We will be talking more about that added

later. Let's get more now on the EgyptAir

plane which has gone missing One report says it's come down 130

miles from the Greek The plane was flying

from Paris to Cairo when it I can now speak to Simon Boxall,

an oceanographer with Thank you for joining us. Tell us

how easy or difficult it will be to locate wreckage if it has gone down

in that area, as is suspected? If it has, it would be relatively easy to

locate service wreckage. A very different scenario to MH370 which

tragically went down over two years ago in the Indian Ocean. They have a

fairly accurate pinpoint as to where the plane was last seen on radar so

the search area is very small and of course it sits surrounded by

reasonably close land, which means that ships, aircraft and helicopters

can reach the scene relatively quickly. In the cage of MH370 it was

two or three days for a ship to get there, by the time aircraft got

there they only spent a short period of time on search, so it is a

question of when rather than if they find anything from this particular

aircraft. And how long do you suspect a search like this might

take? It is difficult to say. There is an assumption that the

Mediterranean is shallow, but the area it has gone down in is very

rugged, up to three kilometres, nearly two miles deep, so it is

still deep water and anything on the sea bed will take months to find and

recover. But that is assuming it has gone down. It is very early to say

yet. It is not a simple task but it is possible. What about conditions

in the area? Those are factors that will be relevant in any search and

rescue operation. We have heard that air traffic control report no

serious weather issues. That does not tell us what the state of the

sea is like, aircraft don't tend to worry about the state, and this area

can whip up some big storms this time of year. I have worked out

there and in the space of a few hours you can go from flat, calm

seas to stormy seas quite quickly. The weather will not necessarily be

that classic Mediterranean flat, calm sea, so that can cause problems

but again it comes back to identifying what happened to the

aircraft and then the search and rescue would be a relatively small

area. They will get to the bottom of what happened. If and when the

wreckage is located, if this is what has happened, will it be retrieved

from the sea bed? What normally happens? We are looking at deep

water so it is retrievable, if you think back to the problems BP had

with the Gulf of Mexico spill, the water there was relatively shallow

compared to the water here, so you are still talking about

technological challenges, but it is possible, there is the tools and

technology to work to these depths, so it is a question of mounting an

exercise, assuming there is nothing on the sea bed, to recover from the

sea bed, and we are looking here at the black boxes. And presumably an

Operation Magnum 's would be very expensive, specialist undertaking?

Very much so but of course there are a lot of countries and operation

like this. It would be under the auspices of the extent -- to an

extent of the EU as well. Thank you very much. Let's go back

to the Supreme Court which has rejected an attempt to overturn a

privacy injunction which prevents the identical occasion of as a

liberty involved in an extramarital threesome in England and Wales. The

court ruled it was private and there was no public interest despite

intense coverage outside in America, Canada and Scotland. Sarah Campbell

is at the Supreme Court. Tell us more about the reasons given in the

judgment. This court case started off as a

basic kiss and tell story, two individuals going to a national

newspaper with details of sexual encounters with a married,

well-known public individual, and it developed from there. In January of

this year and injunction was put in place on the grounds of breached

privacy, which meant nobody in England or Wales, no paper, no

publication, could publish the name of that individual. What is

different about this case is that the name was published in the United

States, Canada and Scotland, and so what News group newspapers, who

owned the Sun On Sunday, was arguing was that because effectively that

was the case this injunction should be lifted, but by a majority of 4-1

today the Supreme Court gave their judgment to say, no, that is not the

case. Going through the reasons, this has always been a balancing act

between the freedom of expression of the press, their right to do that,

and the rights of the individual. In summing up the judgment, saying

privacy interests, the publication would infringe the privacy rights of

PJS, their partner and their children. There is no public

interest in publishing kiss and tell stories or criticisms of Private

sexual conduct. And with relation to this injunction and whether these

injunctions work or not, this is interesting, it says, as to public

availability it is true the story has been accessible on the Internet

and social media but if the injunction were to be lifted there

would be more intensive coverage, and he goes onto say that this would

mean additional and potentially more enduring invasions the privacy of

PJS, their partner and children. There is an ongoing legal court

case, in the run-up to the court case looking at breach of privacy,

so we now know that nobody should be able to publish the names involved

until that court case happens. One of the four judges who did disagree

said that although the story would involve acute unpleasantness, it is

not going to go away, injunction or no injunction, which gives a sense

that even in legal circles this is a tricky issue.

Thanks very much, Sarah. Let's talk now to Sara Mansoori QC,

a leading injunction lawyer, who has represented football stars

Rio Ferdinand, Ryan Giggs as well as Max Mosley,

who used to be in charge Thank you for coming in, what is

your reaction to the ruling? It represents a fundamental shift in

the law of privacy, and it is a recognition by the Supreme Court

that these injunctions protect not just secrets but also from

unwarranted and unwelcome intrusion, where that intrusion is going

When you say it is a fundamental shift in the law of privacy, define

at exactly. It is a fairly new remedy that is available. It has

come from the Law of Confidence. Once information is out in the

public domain, it is no longer confidential. We have seen the

definition of privity being explained so it does not just

protect secrets but also protects from unwarranted harassment. One of

the key factors cited by the judge is that they must demonstrate an

interest to overwrite bashers mag they must demonstrate that children

are paramount. -- they must demonstrate. This is a family right

as well as an individual right. The other factor that was very important

was public interest. The newspaper had failed to demonstrate there was

any public interest in publishing this story. What it's all to do was

say that there was public interest because you were correcting a false

image this couple were presenting. It was found that was not the case.

What would your expectation be? The threshold was raised for newspapers

to publish and it is less likely that celebrities would seek

injunctions or they are still likely... This is likely to continue

and injunctions are likely to be sought. Will anything change

materially? We will have to see what happens in practice. What we have

seen is increased attention on the individuals who have sought this in

junction. It may be that others think it is not worth it. -- this

injunction. We will have to see what happens in practice.

We will be live in Paris as Egypt and the British Royal Navy will hunt

for the missing name. We will keep you up to date with all the latest

developments. In 1939, with Europe on the brink

of war, a British man - Sir Nicholas Winton -

did an extraordinary thing. Aware of the growing threat

from Nazis, he arranged for at least 669 Jewish children to be rescued

from Prague and brought to England. Undeterred by bureaucracy in both

countries, he worked tirelessly to find British families willing

to look after the boys He died last summer at the age

of 106, with the prime minister describing him as a "great man"

and the chief rabbi praising his After the war, Sir Nicholas' heroic

efforts were kept quiet for a half-century,

until being revealed on Esther Rantzen's TV programme

That's Life' in 1988. Vera Gissing is here

with us tonight. I should tell you that

you are actually sitting next to He is here tonight, so you too

can thank Mr Winton. And I am another of

the children that you saved. That was incredibly moving. It was

the most moving TV seen in my opinion. You were one of the kids. I

was not there. I did not know anything. You are saved thanks to

him. Yes, he saved my life and the lives of my parents. I was always,

is this real? I am sorry, I didn't know. I must introduce you as well.

You are the son of Nicholas Winton. With great imagination he chose the

same name. Your father did something so extraordinary. It is moving for

everybody to watch. For you as a child, seeing your dad and knowing

what he did how old were you? I was in my 30s. It was only when I saw

that piece of film I realised the significance of what he had done. At

that point, it was just fables and stories. I do not know about you. I

did not pay a huge amount of attention to all the things my

father said. I realised the implications of it. It was very

moving. Still today I can get quite tearful watching it. How did he

react? I think he had felt he had been hoodwinked. He thought he was

going as an adviser for the story. He did not know there were these

children he had saved in the audience. It was very much a setup,

the way you guys in TV do it. You are going to a memorial service for

Sir Nicholas. You have come from the United States. Tell us why you have

travelled so far. I came straight from home, in Madison, Wisconsin. My

family and I have lived there for 40 years since we left England in 1975.

But that was also my second stay in England. I spent two times seven

years here in this country. The first seven years were during the

war. The second seven years were when the Russians invaded. The

Russians with the Warsaw Pact armies. They invaded Czechoslovakia

literally and physically. That is until we ran again and ran to

England again. You were an H girl, living in Czechoslovakia. You put on

a train. -- and eight-year old girl. What did you know about being sent

away from your family? I knew a great deal. Comparatively more than

many children. I am grateful to my parents for that. They were honest

with me. I just had my eighth birthday when I left. Around the age

of six and seven, things started changing in my life. I was an only

child, we were Jewish but not particularly highly religious. I was

very safe and secure and had loving parents. Particularly my mother was

a very, very active and proactive and bright woman. She happened when

I was about six, seven, to hear a speech and then read it in the

newspaper by a member of argument from here, whose name was George

Lansbury. He was talking about Hitler and telling the families that

Hitler meant business. This was not just a question of perhaps an

exiting Austria, which is what happened, or even an exceeding part

of Czechoslovakia. -- annex thing. Hitler meant business and he was

going to annihilate nations. Your family well understood what was

going on. The chance you were given by being put on that train. When did

you realise that Sir Nicholas Winton was the man who did that and that

you effectively owe your life to him? I did not realise anything

about him before the beginning of 1990. When this film happens, I

think I knew. People ask, how come you didn't know who saved your life?

He invented this organisation, which was called, the British committee

for children from Prague. As he says in his DVD, he invited himself to be

the president of this committee and he called a meeting with himself.

There will be a great sense of humour but this is what he did. I

have many documents, correspondence, with him. They were signed with a

squiggle. At the bottom there was a stamp which said, the British

committee for children from Prague. My mother assumed there was a

network of people in Prague, who were trying to help children. She

would say, we have another letter from the committee. It was not that

they were ignorant or in different to the person who saved hours, the

children. They felt there was a group, a network, or something. On

his part he was working in London as a stockbroker. He went out of his

way to help these kids, these families. What was he like? The

first misconception is he did this single-handedly. He had workers

staying in Prague while he was back in London. Without them it would not

have been possible. He was the instigator of the project. In those

days, the stock exchange closed at 3:30pm. He had the afternoon and

evening is to work on this as a project. As a project, it was nine

months of part-time work. Very intensive part-time work but it was

a project for him. Tell us what he was like. His motto was, if

something is not impossible, there must be a way of doing it. That is

what drove him, I presume. Yes, and continued to in later life. He had a

number of other projects where he was determined to make a difference.

I am also picking up on some of his ideas, as she would expect. I am

working on sorting the problem for generation rents, one of the big

issues of today. He was determined that when something needed doing,

get on and do it and do not worry about the niceties of whether it is

right or whether the rules prohibit it. Just make sure it gets done.

Good to talk to your both. You are off to the memorial service.

Imminently. Stay with us for the latest lines

out of Greece and Paris on the missing airline plane.

Mixed fortunes today. There is some cloud, rain and some of us will have

some sunshine. On the satellite you can see the extent of the cloud

cover. It is a weak weather front heading east. The second one coming

in is also producing some wet weather. Moving across Northern

Ireland, it will fringe into western parts of England, Scotland and Wales

as we go through the course of the day. In between there is some

sunshine. We have bigger cloud out towards the east. Again some

isolated showers. Cloud breaking up with sunny spells developing and the

rain continuing to push through and out of Northern Ireland, moving

across much of northern Scotland, north-west England, Wales and the

south-west will stop this afternoon across Northern Ireland be one or

two showers. -- and the south-west was to hear is the heavy rain moving

across Scotland making good progress towards eastern areas by 4pm. There

will be heavy rain across much of north-west England. Ranging over

towards north-east England. Heavy rain over North Wales. Into East

Anglia, Essex and Kent, variable amounts of cloud. Some thick enough

for the odd shower but sunny spells as well. In the sunshine it will

feel pleasant. Full south-west England and South Wales, the tail

end of the weather front. It is fairly weak and the rain will be

patchy in nature. In the evening and overnight, there goes the rain

heading off into the North Sea. They'll be quite a lot of clout was

some breaks in the cloud and clear skies. I overnight temperatures not

too low for most of us we are looking at double figures. --

overnight temperatures. Across Scotland and Northern Ireland, the

far north of England, showers moving south across the Pennines. We could

see one or two into South Wales. For most it will be dry and there will

be some sunshine. Later in the day, it looks like we will see some

coming into the West. The timing for the band of rain keeps changing. It

will have a real impact on what is happening with the weather at the

weekend. This is what we think at the moment. Through the weekend rain

will be eastwards. The weather once again is looking unsettled.

Hello, it's Thursday, it's 10am.

I'm Joanna Gosling, welcome to the programme

if you've just joined us- coming up before 11.

The top story today - search planes and ships speed

to an area off the Greek islands where a passenger plane

people disappeared off radar in the early hours of this morning.

They have pinpointed a relatively accurate area of where the plane was

last seen said the surge area is fairly small and the area is

surrounded by land which means ships and aircraft can reach the area

quickly. Egypt's Prime Minister says they can

not rule out a terrorist We will be live in Cairo

and at Charles de Gaulle airport in France where families wait

anxiously for news. Also today - one death every three

seconds from superbugs, the latest blunt warning

about the future unless there's urgent action to tackle

antibiotic resistance. An EgyptAir passenger plane,

flying from Paris to Cairo, has disappeared from the radar

screens over the Mediterranean sea. Aviation officials in Egypt say

they believe the flight crashed. Flight MS804 had 56 passengers

and ten crew on board, Most of the passengers

were Egyptian, there were also 15 French

people and one Briton. The Airbus 320 left Paris

at about 11PM yesterday It was scheduled to fly over

the Adriatic and across Greece, arriving in the Egyptian capital

soon after 3am local time. It went missing from

the radar at 2am local time, with the first reports coming out

about five hours ago. The plane was flying at 37,000 feet

when it disappeared ten miles The last contact with the pilot

was about ten minutes before Egypt's Prime Minister

says search and rescue The French have offered planes

and ships to help out. The Royal Navy says it is also ready

to assist. The Egyptian Prime Minister

was asked if terrorism could be involved -

he said no possibility These were the scenes

at the check-in desks at Charles de Gaulle airport as the news

emerged this morning. The EgyptAir flight took off

from here hours earlier The airline said there were 56

passengers including one child and two babies,

as well as ten crew on board MS804. The Airbus A320 was travelling

from Paris to Cairo. It disappeared from radar about ten

miles after entering Egyptian airspace above the

Mediterranean Sea. The airline tweeted that flight

MS804 lost contact at 2:45am, about 20 minutes before

it was scheduled to land They said they had contacted

the authorities. The majority of the passengers were

from Egypt. There was one British citizen and 15 were French.

TRANSLATION: The president of the Republic has held an urgent meeting

with the Prime Minister and other ministers. The first priority is to

inform the families. The Foreign Ministry crisis is operational. An

emergency number has been provided and the families have been hosted at

a hotel. Search teams have been sent

to the last recorded location, 30 to 40 miles north

of Egypt's coast. According to one unconfirmed report,

the captain of a ship about 150 miles south of the Greek island

of Karpathos reported They have now pinpointed roughly

where they think it has gone down. Unfortunately it is the deepest part

of the Mediterranean. My understanding is there are ships,

boats and a radar plane on its way to the crash site,

and so they are basically suggesting that it has actually gone down

into the Mediterranean. As time goes by, Cairo International

Airport has become a focal point, where families of the missing

passengers have started to gather as they await news

of their loved ones. We can talk to our transport

correspondent Richard Wescott, who is here. They think they have

pinpointed a possible crash site, what is that based on?

It is based on radar, effectively. Every commercial aircraft brings out

messages of where it is, the height it is, the speed it is, we can all

look at that data on various apps and the data just stopped. There

will also be lots of military radar around there, you cannot hide from

military radar, it picks up objects in the sky and does not rely

on the aircraft telling it where it is so there is a fair bet they would

have spotted it if it stops sending signals but carried on flying

because there is a lot of military in that sensitive area, Egypt,

Greece, so on, so that is what they are basing it on, it effectively

disappeared from the radar screens. What do they have to go on, at these

early stages, as they start to look at what could have caused the

plaintiff to severe? I have just been at a conference of

air Accident Investigation does, 44 countries represented, and they said

the same thing, they never jumped to a conclusion, it is critical. But it

is significant that there does not appear to have been a distress

signal and when you talk to pilots they say even in pretty bad

emergencies you have normally got a chance to get some kind of distress

call out, it is quite quick to do, you can punch in four numbers and

press enter. They will be trying to control in an emergency

first but there is normally time after that to at least tell somebody

they are in trouble. That doesn't seem to have happened this time,

which suggests something happened very, very quickly. The radar data

stops when it was very high, does not show it coming down at all, so

it all points to something happening quickly. That could literally be a

hole in the aircraft, a fault with the aircraft, when it breaks up in

the air. That is very, very red. It of course leads to the possibility

as well that there could be at explosive device on board.

We know there were three security personnel on board, is that unusual?

Not for aircraft flying in those sorts of areas. The Americans have a

lot of air marshals flying on board as well looking for suspicious

people, people doing suspicious things, so it is not unusual but

that is just people on board. It is quite possible if this was some kind

of terrorist attacks, and we don't know it was, that there is nothing

to the on-board. It is possible something could have been put on the

aircraft at an airport it visited beforehand, so there would be

nothing they could do. People like that are there to dis- incentivise

attacks, and if someone tries to storm a cockpit those people come

into their own, but it does not necessarily mean these things cannot

happen. You can find the latest on this

developing story on a special live bait on the BBC News website. We

will keep you updated of course on all the latest developments here, we

have got more coming up shortly. Let's catch up with the rest of the

news in the BBC newsroom. The Supreme Court has just rejected

an attempt to overturn a privacy injunction preventing identification

of a celebrity involved in an extramarital threesome

in England and Wales. The 4-1 decision says just because

the couple is well-known is no right to invade privacy. There is no

public interest, however much it may be of interest to members of the

public, in publishing kiss and tell stories or criticisms of Private

sexual conduct simply because the persons involved are well known.

Superbugs resistant to antibiotics will kill someone every three

seconds by 2050 unless the world acts now, according

A global review led by the economist Jim O'Neill was asked

by the Prime Minister to investigate the problem two years ago.

In its final report it says over ?27 billion needs to be

While the review was taking place, doctors discovered bacteria that can

shrug off a medicine called colistin - known as

More on that story during the programme.

A leading Conservative MP campaigning for the UK to leave

the EU says the debate has descended into "insults, personal attacks

Steve Baker, who co-chairs the Conservatives For Britain group,

has accused Downing Street of briefing against Tories

However, Number Ten has dismissed the claims and insist its campaign

The doctors' union, the British Medical Association,

is to ballot its members about whether to accept a deal

reached yesterday with Government negotiators to end the dispute over

a new contract for junior doctors in England.

Both sides reached an agreement on weekend working,

after ten days of talks at the conciliation service,

The BMA says it's the "best and final way" to end the row.

Researchers from Oxford University say people who have symptoms

of a minor stroke should be given aspirin immediately.

A study in the medical journal The Lancet claims the benefits

of aspirin in preventing further strokes or limiting their harm

A rare diamond has fetched an astonishing ?39.5 million

making it the most expensive jewel ever sold at an auction.

Two phone bidders entered into a 20 minute bidding war for the large,

translucent blue gem - known as the Oppenheimer Blue.

It gets its name from its previous owner Sir Philip Oppenheimer,

who controlled the Diamond Syndicate in London.

The buyer's identity hasn't been made public.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

Lots of you getting in touch about the prison reforms that we were

talking about. Proposals to give governors more control to try to

help with rehabilitation of inmates. Audrey says, my son is in Exeter

prison, he says staff say no to letting people out

too often. William says, the idea of sending non-dangerous offenders to

jail is outdated nonsense. Late in says, the main essential support

should be from someone who follows the rehab programme with each

prisoner then follows them outside also to closely help through the

initial discharge period. Also, many prisoners would benefit better from

community service rather than custody. Probation officers should

have access to a variety of help agencies to do more than simply

supervise. Kay says, the military prison has a

high non-offending rate, why don't we look at that?

Eight Tai Chi teacher had e-mailed to say they were in prison for a

minor offence, asked to teach tai chi whilst in prison but was not

allowed to because prison is meant to be punishment. OK, but if you

want to help prisoners change their lives, why not use every possible

thing to help, he asks? Kelly says, I'm watching your piece

on prison reform and feel the problem starts way back into society

in the way we socialise boys who are taught to switch off their feelings,

not allowed to cry, etc. By the time they get to present it is too late

the many. Thank you for those comments.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

We will keep you updated of course on the plane that is believed to

have gone down near the Greek island of Karpathos en route from Paris to

Cairo. We will be live with our correspondent in Paris in just a few

moments. First, let's catch up with the sport.

For many the cricket means summer's really here.

England take on Sri Lanka at Headingley in less than an hour,

Alastair Cook's men should be full of confidence after an impressive

series win in South Africa over the winter.

Let's speak to our correspondent Andy Swiss, who's in Leeds

A big day for Captain Cook? That is right, the fans, as you can

see, are starting to arrive here and they know they could watch a piece

of cricketing history potentially today because Alistair Cook needs

just 36 more runs to reach the 10,000 mark, in Test cricket, and if

he does so he will be the first Englishman to reach 10,000 runs, and

would also be the youngest ever player to reach 10,000 will stop

Cook, 31 years four months old, six months younger than Sachin Tendulkar

when he reached the 10,000 milestone. He would be just the 12th

player in test history to get to 10,000 runs, joining the likes of

ten dork, Brian Lara, router bit, and he says he is looking forward to

the challenge. Great to try to score the 36 runs. I have just got to put

that to bed now after this press conference and focus on doing what I

have done I suppose in the previous ten years, which is trying to

concentrate on that ball coming down and nothing else. If it is your day,

try to go began to get a big score. Alistair Cook and his team should be

confident after that Test series win in South Africa, also their

impressive performance at the world Twenty20. There will be a debut for

Hampshire captain James Vince, we expect him to bat at number five. As

far as the weather, it is dry at the moment, a bit overcast, we expect

rain later this afternoon but the fans here keeping their fingers

crossed for something like a full-day's play.

Thank you very much. Let's hope Captain Cook can fail to those

10,000 runs. -- can fail. Don't forget you can listen

to Test Match Special on 5 Live Sports Extra from 1025,

or the BBC Sport website, where you can also watch

in-play highlights. You can also download the BBC

Sport App and set up wicket alerts. I hope you will be doing that,

Joanna. Of course!

Let's go back to our main news, the missing EgyptAir passenger plane

which was flying from Paris to Cairo.

It vanished from the radar screens over the Mediterranean sea.

Some reports say it came down 130 miles of the Greek island of

Karpathos, we hear that comes from a Greek boat operator who saw a flash

in the sky in the area, that is being reported by Greek media.

Ships, helicopters and planes are heading to that region, the Royal

Navy says it has both in the area ready and willing to assist.

We can speak now to our Paris Correspondent,

Lucy Williamson, who's at Charles de Gaulle Airport.

That is where the plane took off from. We also joined by selling the

bill in Cairo, the destination which of course was not reached.

Tell us the latest about what you are hearing. It is the long and

frustrating wait for information. At the EgyptAir desk, families are

waiting in a nearby hotel or at the airport. Help has been offered in

the Mediterranean to search. Over and above the search and the

question of where the plane has gone is the question of if it has indeed

crashed, why it did so. There is already a spotlight on the security

situation at Charles de Gaulle airport, the procedure the plane

went through before it took off. All speculation at the moment before we

know exactly what has happened to it. Certainly this is an airport

which has received a lot of attention when it comes to security

over the past few months. Standing here this morning I have seen

several people walking around security, armed people walking

around in groups, as is normal. Sadly, what is the latest you have?

It is definitely a tragic moment for the families of the passengers. I am

here in Cairo airport. Families have been arriving. They were distressed.

They were huge pain and grief. I was speaking to an old lady a short

while ago, her daughter was a stewardess on the flight. The lady

was heartbroken and she was in tears. She spoke to her daughter

last night and have heard no more. I woke up to the horrifying news. I

came to the airport and have not been given any information. I know

nothing. I have just been given a couple of phone numbers. Authorities

said they would keep us updated. So far we know nothing. Egyptian

authorities are expected. They are expected to hold a press conference

in less than three hours from now for that they're going to give some

information about what happened. So far, EgyptAir issued a statement

dismissing all media reports that have been talking about the reasons

behind the disappearance of this plane. It is very early to make any

assumptions about why the plane has disappeared. Rescue and search

operations are under way. They are trying to do all they can to clarify

what has happened. Let's speak to air accident in the

eight, Tony Cable. What do they have to go on? Not a lot at the moment.

Possibly radar data. -- are accident investigator. They are saying that

has suddenly been lost that is where an aircraft response to an

interrogation from the ground was if you lose electrical power, certainly

electrical power on the aircraft, that would disappear. There is still

probably primary radar, the old-fashioned sort, where you send a

radar beam out and you detect the Echo. If you had an in-flight

break-up, you can on occasion on primary radar, one return becomes a

number of returns with different pieces of the aircraft. That could

be an indication. What other possible reasons for a plane

disappearing at this stage? -- what are the possible reasons? You focus

on the technical side, if there was a problem with the mechanics of the

plane. Would there be a mechanical issue at this stage which could

cause a plane to come down? There is a multiple number of possibilities.

Only as evidence comes in will that be clear. I have been fairly --

there have been fairly severe electrical problems on these planes

in the past, plus all the radios. They have not been able to

communicate. Is that communications? It depends how the loss of the

systems are handled. It has not caused any accidents. The problem

has been fixed. It has a pretty good safety record, hasn't it? Like all

passenger aircraft a very good safety record. The dangerous bit is

getting to the airport. How long is the investigation likely to take? Is

the most important thing to get the black boxes? Yes. A bit daft to be

carrying data, flight data, on the aircraft. If you do lose it,

particularly at sea, you have got to recover the wreckage to get the

black boxes and get the information. There have been proposals to

transmit the data in real-time. Does that not happen? No, it is very

primitive. It is quite conservative, the aviation industry in changing

things. It takes a lot of doing. An air France plane went down in the

Atlantic about five years ago and it took two years to recover to find

the boxes. They were quite lucky with the two rain it landed on. Any

Marine recovery tends to be prolonged and expensive and

difficult. Parts of the Mediterranean are quite deep. I do

not know about that area. We were talking earlier that it was around

three kilometres deep. Thank you. We will of course keep you updated on

all the devell and as we get them. Have you decided how you will be

voting in the EU referendum? The first televised debate will be on

the 26th of May in Glasgow, presented by Victoria. If you can

get to Glasgow from wherever you are ready want to take part, e-mail

Victoria to have your chance to question senior politicians from the

Leave and Remain campaigns. The debate will be broadcast live. On

the 6th of June we are in Manchester for another debate weeks before the

actual vote on the 23rd. That is open to everyone take place during

normal airtime between 9am and 11am. The way to get in touch is the same.

There has been another extremely stark warning that the era of

antibiotics will come to an end. It is claimed one person in three will

die form a truck resistant infection by 2050 unless action is taken now.

David Cameron commissioned the study a couple of years ago to look

at the world-wide impact of illnesses like MRSA and TB

as treatments like antibiotics become less effective.

So why do we find ourselves in this position?

Let's talk to Professor Laura Piddock, who advised on the report.

Yvonne Smith, who lost her father to a superbug infection.

Derek Butler, from charity MRSA Action UK.

Sharon Brenan, a transplant patient and health journalist.

And Professor Paul Cosford from Health from Public Health England.

Thank you for joining us. Laura, first of all, you are a professor of

microbiology. Explain why the drug resistance is happening. Bacteria

evolved to survive all sorts of different hostile environments, and

that includes antibiotics. Because bacteria double their numbers so

quickly, something like E. Coli in 20 minutes. The numbers of drug

resistant bacteria increase very rapidly, including inpatient or in

the environment within a few hours. -- in patients or the environment.

Where are we now in terms of antibiotic resistant bugs? We're in

a situation where anywhere in the world there will be drug resistant

bacteria, including multidrug resistant bacteria. The concern is

that we, and animals, and our foods are transferring these around the

world. When they cause an infection in people they can be very hard to

treat. For many infections, it will mean the first, second and third

choice drug does not work. For a few patients there may be no drugs that

will work. Looking ahead to a possible future without antibiotics,

what would that look like? Antibiotics and all areas of

medicine. They are really important in the treatment of cancer patients,

transplant patients, and those having joint replacements like hips.

Potentially, we could see many treatments in those types of

patients no longer being effective. But, most of us get infections in

our lifetimes. Many times we have all had the past and we will all

need them in the future. The real worry is that these types of

drug-resistant infections could occur to any other at any time. You

rely on take three different types daily. Why are you reliant on them?

I was born with cystic fibrosis. Over time it ruins your lungs.

Almost three years ago I had a double lung transplant. That means I

am constantly immunosuppressed. Because of that my body finds it

very hard to fight infections. I need and got it every day to try to

reduce the chance of rejection or infection of my transplanted lungs.

You must be acutely aware of the dangers of antibiotics, bugs

becoming resistant to antibiotics. Many friends have made it through

the transplant process, which is very hard, and then died five

months, nine months later from chest infections they have not been able

to treat. It is devastating. These people are 22, 24 years old. Let's

speak to eve on Smith. Possibly the most famous drug-resistant infection

is MRSA. Your father died from this infection and your mother almost

did. Presumably it has made you aware of the risks of all of this.

Yes. Absolutely. You know, my father died because it was like eight years

beyond when my mother had the infection. I believe the drug

resistance had become too much. His antibiotic treatment did not work.

It worked for my mother and she has survived it. But my father was too

poorly to survive. Sorry. I just wanted to bring in Laura at that

point. What is it that makes the antibiotics work for one person over

another? For some antibiotics, we know they were better when patients

are fitter will have a better immune response. This is because it is

thought that the ads were ticks damage the bacteria, not necessarily

killing them, but they become more easily recognised by the immune

response. We do not know why some patients respond and others do not

when they have an identical infection. We do know those patients

who are more vulnerable are more likely to be at risk. Derek, your

grandfather, stepfather and uncle all died of MRSA infections and your

chair of MRSA Action UK. How worried are you? I am very worried. My own

father, 95, survived a very serious E. Coli infection. It shows the

power, the success that antibiotics have. It is not about today's

generation. It is about tomorrow's generation. Our children and our

grandchildren will live in a world if we do not know something about it

that my father did when he was a young person. He has explained what

the world was like before the use of penicillin in the 1940s. I can

assure you it is not a world we would like to live in. Most of us

today have lived in an antibiotic era. Get an infection, we go to the

doctors and they give us an antibiotic. That may not be a

possibility in the future. Do you think we are heading to a future

without antibiotics? This is a wake-up call. The report out today

suggests there is some significant problems on the horizon if we do not

act now. In addition to the things that have been mentioned so far, it

is important to remember we camper van many infections. We sometimes

forget the basic messages around washing your hands, covering your

mouth and nose when you cough and sneeze. Teaching children basic

measures. The winter flu vaccine, which this coming winter will be

offering all children up to the third year of primary school, very

important to stop infection spreading in our communities. We

have good evidence as to the effectiveness. Remembering to use

antibiotics appropriately. We know for instance that only 10% of sore

throats need an advert it but 60% of people with a sore throat going to

GPs will get an antibiotic. There are some simple things we can do.

What do you think about GPs, in the majority of cases, prescribing and

to objects that not needed? There is a significant issue there

and it is partly making sure we get the right guidance to GPs... But it

is not a new issue, why is it taking so long for the guidance to get

through? We monitor continually what is happening and we can see where

resistance is developing and alter our guidance accordingly. But there

is something for all of us when we have a cough or a cold and a sore

throat and we go to the GP, instead of expecting an antibiotic what it

is sensible to do is expect an explanation for our symptoms. If we

expect an explanation it allows the GP2 not just prescribed because

there is that expectation... Where do the expectation come from, is it

the patient wanting them or the GP handing them out because it is

easiest? There is a complex set of things that happens when a GBC is a

patient and they will be lots of those in any circumstance but there

is something we can all do, which is to remember to do what we can to

prevent infection, to get vaccinated, and to seek an

explanation of our symptoms instead of seeking an antibiotic when we go

to the GP. Laura, what do you think about the overprescribing of

antibiotics and the statistic earlier about the use of antibiotics

in farming? It is important to remember many of the infections from

the pre-antibiotic era are still treatable today with the drugs we

have, including many common sore throats. The reason health care

practitioners use a lot of antibiotics if they cannot diagnose

when the patient is with them what is causing the sore throat or other

infection. 60% of patients get prescriptions from GPs when only 10%

needed. The GP cannot distinguish the 10% from the other 50%. May I

interrupt? Do come in there, Yvonne. I need to say some important things,

really. If you can see me I would like to present a pair of vinyl

gloves. Yes, we can see that. The whole issue of antibiotics is

absolutely preventable, and it is preventable if you start from the

beginning. What happens is that a nurse or doctor sneezes, they put on

the vinyl gloves without washing their hands, you cannot touch gloves

without using your hands. They haven't washed their hands. There is

a very, very simple procedure called scrubbing up which a lot of nurses

and doctors don't actually do. Let's get Paul's response on that. Sorry,

we will come back to you, Laura." Of course MRSA and can unless in

hospitals is an important issue. It is important to remember rates of

MRSA have virtually halved over the last ten years, and indeed when I

was medical director in the East of England some years ago we managed to

reduce our rates of Clostridium difficile by over 90% in a year, and

that carried on, so the point Yvonne is making are important and

hospitals are working hard to make sure of that. Have those rates come

down because of the hygiene issues that Yvonne is talking about? That

is part of the answer but we mustn't be complacent and we know that we

must continue to observe very carefully and investigate any case

of MRSA and seed death very carefully and there are other

organisms we are concerned that we are monitoring as well, one that is

particularly difficult to pronounce which we are monitoring at the

moment and we make sure our hospitals no when they have that and

can take all the actions they need it in respect of those. It is a

complex system, hospitals are very focused on this but they are complex

and difficult to make sure we get right. Laura, you wanted to say

something? The first point of the review report today is to increase

public awareness across the globe about how important antibiotics are

and of the really important part that the public have to play in

preventing infection and preventing transmission of drug-resistant

bacteria. We are getting focused on MRSA here but the report does not

focus on MRSA, it calls attention much more to negative bacteria

infections which often people will carry these bugs in their gut

without any knowledge that they are there, and it is only when they

perhaps need a procedure that then it causes an infection that then

requires treatment. On that, a final board from you, Sharon, because it

is presumably something you are aware of every day, hoping the

people around you are aware of hygiene issues because you are

potentially vulnerable? The thing with antibiotic resistance, it is

easy to think when you are ill that you need antibiotics, to get back to

work, to look after your children, and I think to solve this and raise

awareness globally it is about seeing us as a community,

antibiotics is a precious communal resource and if we do not treat it

like that then the future could be very bleak. Thank you all very much

for your thoughts. Let's catch up with the sport.

Liverpool's dream of another European trophy and Champions League

They were beaten 3-1 by Sevilla in the Europa League final last night.

It's the second final they've lost under manager Jurgen

Aston Villa are set be taken over by Chinese entrepreneur Dr Tony Xia.

He's struck a ?60-million deal with current owner Randy Lerner,

which is subject to Football League approval.

It would make him the sole owner of the Championship club.

Harlequins prop Joe Marler has withdrawn from England's

Marler was suspended for kicking an opponent in April.

That followed a two-match ban for calling Wales' Samson Lee "Gypsy

And history beckons for England captain Alastair Cook ahead of this

morning's first Test against Sri Lanka at Headingley.

The 31-year-old needs just 36 runs to become the youngest player

England lost the toss at Headingley so they have been put into that.

Thanks very much, Tim. Some comments just threw on the antibiotics

discussion, one tweet, as long as we are giving antibiotics to farmyard

animals we will never stop these superbugs.

Another has treated, the experts know that antibiotics are given

Ronchi to farm animals and nothing is done to stuff it.

Graham says, I cannot get antibiotics from the doctor even

when I need them, it is a blanket ban.

Let's go back to the missing plane. Ships, helicopters and planes are

heading for a certain area of the Greek islands. We can look at a

video... I'm not sure if we Can take a look at it... I think we can,

there you go. It shows their souls converging on what is thought

potentially to be that crash zone in the Mediterranean Sea. It is just

near to the Greek island of Karpathos. The Egypt air passenger

plane from Paris to Cairo was carrying 56 passengers and ten crew,

it vanished from radar screens in the early hours of the morning.

There are reports that it came down 130 miles off the Greek island of

Karpathos. As you can see on these radar images, that is where the

vessels are headed, the Royal Navy saying it is in the area and ready

to assist. Let's talk now to Captain Mike

Vivian, a former head of Flight Operations

at the Civil Aviation Authority. We can also go to aviation analyst

Sean Massenet. Captain Mike Vivian, what are your

thoughts? We have little to go on, just the fact the plane went off the

radar at 37,000 feet, not far short of its final destination? That is

right, good morning to you. Very unusual, the safest part of the

flight is of course at Cruise, high altitude, and it tends to point

towards some either catastrophic failure of the aircraft or a

security issue involving the aeroplane itself, and I note this

aircraft had been traversing the north Africa and continent in the

days before this incident so there will be an examination of what went

on at Paris Charles de Gaulle, security measures there and all the

other issues like the crew, the passengers, and the service history

of the aircraft. Elaborate more on what you are thinking when you talk

about traversing the African continent in the days before? It is

possible, I wouldn't want to cause too much alarm, but it is possible

some device was secreted there in some way or another, an extension of

what happened at Sharm el-Sheikh with Metrojet. It is a possibility.

We also need to look at the security at Paris. I know people are saying

security at Paris is obviously beefed up after the incident they

have had but it is significant, in my book, that after the Sharm

el-Sheikh disaster, I think it was over 80 people who had what is

called air side passes, passes to go bare fight onto the tarmac of the

aircraft, were withdrawn by the French authorities. That would raise

some questions as to why they were there in the first place, but it

does tend to suggest the French took action after the Sharm el-Sheikh, as

was necessary. So how would you sum up airline airport security, because

there are tight controls around passengers, where would you see

potential loopholes? The problem in the past has been safety, and that

problem, I don't want to be complacent, but by and large it is

solved because we have an incredibly safe industry. Last year there were

something like 3.3 billion passengers, 36.5 million passengers,

a tiny, tiny fraction, about 100 people lost their lives, so the

problem is security and it is right to say security is not consistent

throughout the world despite international regulations,

requirements and audits to check that it is, and there has been

concern, which the Sharm el-Sheikh accident raised, of the possibility

of an inside job, in other words people who have access to the

aircraft or luggage on the ground and are able to do things which none

of us would want to be party to. That is the problem in ensuring a

uniform level of security. I'm not saying that was the issue here in

this accident involving EgyptAir but it is an issue which has once again

had the spotlight put on it. Sean Moffat, what are your thoughts? I

could not disagree with anything Captain Vivian has said. There are

quite a wide variety of possibilities here. We don't know,

probably the local militaries know a lot more than we do, there is an

awful lot of minatory in that part of the of the world, the Egyptians

themselves, the Israelis, the Greeks, the Turks, and we hear the

Royal Navy is involved in the search, and also American fleets, so

all of those will probably have a rather better idea of what happened

here than anybody else, but of course we will not be hearing those

ideas from them, I suspect. Mike was saying that the safest time on a

plane is when it is cruising at high altitude. It was doing that when it

came down. For you, therefore, would it point most likely to some sort of

terrorist incident? Well, I suspect that is probably the case but really

it is very early to be speculating about this. As you say, the aircraft

was at its Cruise, 37,000 feet, Cruise level. It was flying at more

than 500 knots, Cruise speed, and then it just disappeared off the

kind of radar that you and I can look at on our computer screens.

That does not mean to say the aircraft is Sapp has disappeared,

because that trace on the radar screens comes from equipment on

board the plane -- bag with the aircraft itself has disappeared. The

plane has to be sending out the information for that price to

appear. It is possible, as has happened in the past, that somebody

has turned off that equipment, hijackers have done that in the

past, and then the aeroplane effectively disappears. We are not

talking about what is generally known as the real radar that fires

the signal from the ground or the sea and gets the reflections back of

the admin, that probably wasn't available to the controllers, that

it might have been available to the military in the area who may have a

better idea, but of course, as you have said, we are seeing the ships

converging on a particular area. There are reports there was a brief

distress signal but now it appears there was not one at all. How easy

is it for a pilot if there is a sign of anything to very quickly send an

alert? There is an order of priorities as to what to do if you

have an emergency. The communication is about third in that. You are told

to retain control of the aircraft, which is the most important thing,

and then to navigate accordingly, to leave the area you are in and

communicate that distress. Whatever it is that is causing you to take

the action you are. It is not top priority. Insofar as there is a

report about the beacon or distress call, I disagree there was a

distress call. If there was a distress signal, it would have come

from a beacon or device that was employed when a device impact water

or the ground and send off a signal to locate it. It may or may not be

the case. I agree that there will be sufficient and extensive radar

coverage. When I was flying over this area, you are always under

radar cover. It is a very heavily congested area and a very

militarised area. People are watching with interest as to what is

going on. Yes, definitely, there will be some radar data. As to when

the signal disappeared off radar is open to question. It may be the

aircraft broke up in the air and came down in pieces or it may be

that the radar was lost but it's still descended. Then the signal was

lost as it impacted the water, I do not know. We will have to see what

they are saying. Last November new guidelines

were issued about how the medical profession should deal with women

going through the menopause - six months on, the British Menopause

Society says it's still not seeing A survey released today shows that

half of women will go through the menopause without seeing

a single medical professional. Only 3% of women know

about the guidelines, published by Nice -

the National Institute for Health Many menopausal women will get

sleeplessness, hot flushes, night sweats and memory loss

and we've heard some women are so desperate

to relieve their symptoms, they've even turned

to unregulated treatments. In Shrewsbury we've got

Julie Chandler who went through a surgical menopause

at an early age. And Jayne Harrison's at her home

in the Peak District - if you don't mind me saying so,

you're currently going You're helping other women on how to

deal with symptoms that work. Let's talk in our studio

to Dr Heather Currie - she's a gynaecologist and also Chair

of The British Menopause Society, The menopause affects women

differently. The key underlying process is our ovaries stop working

or in some cases are removed. That leads to our bodies becoming low in

a very important hormone, oestrogen. While the focus of menopause is on

periods stop paying and the expected consequences of that, flashes and

sweats, what we want more people to know about is the effects of the

lack of oestrogen which often stop with flashes and sweats but other

symptoms, as you have mentioned, but also have later health consequences

as well, particularly relating to bone and heart health. Only half the

women going through it can seek professional help. Can women skate

through and not receive any symptoms. A third of women felt they

had to put up with it. They did not have a sense of seeking more

information. Around that is the lack of understanding of the late effects

of being low on oestrogen. So, everyone should seek treatment

because of the long-term effects. Everyone should have a better

understanding about this process of becoming low on oestrogen and how it

can effect them. What they do about it is individual. There are

treatments which are very effective but also diet and lifestyle changes

are really important. The whole purpose of this campaign is to raise

awareness of the importance but also to encourage women just to get more

information so that however they choose to manage their menopause, it

is an informed choice based on accurate information. I want to talk

about those options in a moment. Want to go to Jane because you are

50 and you are going through the menopause right now. How is it

affecting you? When were you first aware that things were changing for

you? I was probably about 47 and I probably did not realise

straightaway it was the menopause. There were a number of other changes

going on in my life and I thought it was the impact of that. Then, I

would be waking up about three o'clock in the morning for about six