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A crisis facing our steel industry: hundreds of steelworkers march | :00:00. | :00:13. | |
on London as the Business Secretary arrives in Mumbai to press | :00:14. | :00:21. | |
They moved to Scotland from Australia five years ago. | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
Now they face deportation in six days time. | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
We'll talk to the Brain family about why they think | :00:28. | :00:30. | |
He was once one of the biggest stars on US television but now Bill Cosby | :00:31. | :00:36. | |
He denies any wrongdoing but one alleged victim | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
Many years, most of us thought we were the only one. And we didn't | :00:42. | :00:57. | |
realise that we had been victimised by a serial predator. | :00:58. | :01:09. | |
Our top story today, a vote to leave the European Union | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
would hurt the public finances and potentially add up to two | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
years to the Government's austerity programme. | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
That's according to a new report from the Institute | :01:20. | :01:21. | |
The research organisation says that leaving the EU could mean lower | :01:22. | :01:28. | |
economic growth and a drop in tax receipts and this would wipe out | :01:29. | :01:31. | |
But Leave campaigners say a vote for Brexit could offer | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
Our Economics Correspondent, Andy Verity, reports. | :01:36. | :01:40. | |
Less than a month away from the referendum, | :01:41. | :01:43. | |
what is the economic case for leaving the European Union? | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
The Leave campaign points to savings of ?350 million a week | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
The independent Institute for Fiscal Studies says that's wrong. | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
If you account for rebates and subsidies to UK farmers, | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
That adds up to ?8 billion a year, which may seem like a large sum, | :01:58. | :02:07. | |
but if Brexit caused the economy to be just 0.6% smaller four years | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
from now, there would be less tax coming in, wiping out that saving. | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
And most forecasts predict the damage to the economy | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
at least three times as big - 2% to 4%. | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
The immediate effect of leaving the EU is that we would be sending | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
?8 billion a year less to the rest of the European Union. | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
That would improve the public finances, but more likely than not, | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
the economy would shrink relative to what it would otherwise would be | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
and the public finance hit in the short run in the next four | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
or five years would be in the range to ?20 billion to ?40 billion. | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
That's money that would have to be added to borrowing, | :02:45. | :02:47. | |
according to the IFS report, meaning there would have to be one | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
or two extra years of austerity to balance the budget. | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
One of the relatively few economists backing Vote leave | :02:55. | :02:56. | |
We come out with a positive, these other studies all come | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
The reason is that they assume we don't go to free trade | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
after Brexit, we keep being protectionist and they assume | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
it because some obscure reason that they think that voters wouldn't | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
That's a political judgement which is not for economists to make. | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
The damage to the public finances would probably be far less, | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
It is even less than has been caused by the Government's | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
Whether it's a price worth paying is for voters to decide. | :03:27. | :03:34. | |
Let's get more from our Political Guru, Norman Smith. | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
Norman, what does this mean for the Brexit camp? This is a pretty | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
bruising blow, I think, for the Brexit camp, not because of what the | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
institute is saying about the consequences of Brexit in terms of | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
maybe two years more austerity, but because it is the Institute for | :03:55. | :03:57. | |
Fiscal Studies who are saying it. They matter in a way no other | :03:58. | :04:04. | |
economic forecaster matters. Their reports are the Holy Grail of | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
economic forecasting. They are the people we turn to when we're looking | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
for someone to analyse the Government's budget. It is | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
frequently very, very critical of the Government. So when they say | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
there would be a hit from Brexit, it really matters and I suspect that | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
the Leave campaign may have scored a bit of an own-goal because this | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
morning they've launched a scathing attack on the institute suggesting | :04:31. | :04:36. | |
that they are prop beganists for the European Commission because they | :04:37. | :04:38. | |
receive grants from the European Commission and they say if we pulled | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
out of the EU well, the institute would be short of about ?800,000. I | :04:43. | :04:50. | |
think the danger is that risks backfiring because certainly at | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
Westminster the Institute for Fiscal Studies are viewed as the ultimate | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
economic forecaster. What they say really matters. | :05:00. | :05:00. | |
Thank you, Norman. Norman will be back with us later | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
to help us make sense of some of the arguments around sovereignty | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
ahead of the referendum vote in just Annita is in the BBC | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
Newsroom with a summary Hundreds of steelworkers | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
are expected to march through Central London today, | :05:15. | :05:23. | |
to highlight the crisis facing The protest comes as the future | :05:24. | :05:25. | |
of Tata Steel's British operation is discussed at the company's | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
board meeting in Mumbai. The Business Secretary | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
and the First Minister of Wales have travelled to India to hold | :05:35. | :05:36. | |
talks with bosses. In March, the company | :05:37. | :05:38. | |
announced plans to sell We will be talking to steel workers | :05:39. | :05:54. | |
taking part in the march and a representative from UK steel in 15 | :05:55. | :05:55. | |
minutes time. A new group led by a former boss | :05:56. | :05:58. | |
of Mothercare is thought to be The Richess Group is being | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
led by Greg Tufnell, the brother of former England | :06:03. | :06:05. | |
cricketer Phil Tufnell. Other bidders including | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
the founder of Matalan, are understood to have fallen out | :06:10. | :06:11. | |
of the running. Sources close to the process say | :06:12. | :06:13. | |
that if no buyer is found by Friday, BHS is likely to be liquidated, | :06:14. | :06:16. | |
putting the retailer's Profit for the past year | :06:17. | :06:19. | |
at Marks and Spencer has The retailer says that future | :06:20. | :06:40. | |
profits will be hit. The new Chief Executive said he intends to cut | :06:41. | :06:41. | |
prices and put more staff in stores. The high street has become more | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
competitive and the market Consumer confidence is down a margin | :06:46. | :06:47. | |
over the past few months. I believe we are putting in place | :06:48. | :06:54. | |
a series of plans that will recover The story of M is one of self-help | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
and that's what the team The Italian coastguard says it | :06:58. | :07:09. | |
rescued 3,000 people yesterday as they tried to cross to Europe | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
from North Africa. The migrants were plucked from small | :07:15. | :07:16. | |
boats off the coast of Libya, in 23 separate operations, | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
involving every multi-national More than 2,500 were | :07:20. | :07:21. | |
rescued the day before. Nearly three-quarters of the care | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
homes in England rated as inadequate by the Care Quality Commission, | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
have now improved. The watchdog says its tougher | :07:29. | :07:30. | |
inspection regime is Care providers warn that will only | :07:31. | :07:32. | |
continue if funding is improved. The Government says it | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
has made ?3.5 billion Here's our Social Affairs | :07:39. | :07:40. | |
Correspondent, Alison Holt. Care that is kind and provides | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
support, tailored to the needs of each person is at the heart | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
of the what the Care Quality Commission is looking for when it | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
inspects homes as part Most homes in England | :07:55. | :07:56. | |
are providing care rated as good, The first time the CQC has analysed | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
what happens after a home is told Over 18 months, 372 homes in England | :08:03. | :08:09. | |
were rated as inadequate. When inspectors returned | :08:10. | :08:15. | |
three-quarters had 99 were still failing and 34 had | :08:16. | :08:17. | |
gone out of business. I think that these are really | :08:18. | :08:25. | |
encouraging results. They demonstrate that people can | :08:26. | :08:27. | |
make the improvements that we're requiring, | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
but I'm not complacent and I don't think care homes should | :08:31. | :08:33. | |
be complacent either. Care home owners welcome | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
the results, but warn that the squeeze on fees paid | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
by local authorities who buy most social care means that many homes | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
are struggling simply to survive. and I'm really concerned | :08:45. | :08:53. | |
that we are going to see a lot The Government has said | :08:54. | :09:03. | |
it is putting more money into social care and the CQC | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
maintains its findings show despite the pressure on the sector, | :09:07. | :09:09. | |
standards are being pushed up. There's been a sharp drop | :09:10. | :09:17. | |
in antibiotics being prescribed NHS figures for the year | :09:18. | :09:25. | |
to May show there were 2.6 million fewer prescriptions | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
than in the previous 12 months. warned that, by 2050, | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
superbugs could kill one person every three seconds worldwide | :09:35. | :09:36. | |
unless action was taken. Actor and comedian Bill Cosby is to | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
stand trial in the United States over allegations that he drugged | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
and sexually assaulted More than 50 women have publicly | :09:44. | :09:46. | |
accused Mr Cosby of Afternoon an alleged perpetrator | :09:47. | :10:07. | |
does not give a statement to the police. He did. And now he is going | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
to have to deal with his own words which, it was indicated from | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
testimony that he signed his statement. | :10:17. | :10:18. | |
And we will be talking to one of Bill Cosby's alleged | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
Russian media are reporting the country's athletes could be | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
stripped of up to nine medals from the Beijing Olympics, | :10:28. | :10:34. | |
after 14 people were found to have cheated at the 2008 games. | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
The International Olympic Committee said re-tests of samples were found | :10:38. | :10:39. | |
It could mean British athletes are awarded medals retrospectively. | :10:40. | :10:42. | |
Russia is currently banned from international athletic | :10:43. | :10:44. | |
competitions and a decision on its Rio Games place will be | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
Now, we've tended to see robots as a bit of a threat particularly | :10:48. | :10:55. | |
to jobs as they become capable of more and more tasks. | :10:56. | :11:02. | |
But at Europe's biggest robotics event all the talk | :11:03. | :11:05. | |
The idea is that collaborative robots will work with humans | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
Our technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones reports from Paris. | :11:09. | :11:15. | |
In Paris this week, you can meet all kinds of robots. | :11:16. | :11:18. | |
This one is more practical, cleaning your barbecue grill. | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
And this Russian robot can recognise you and have a slightly | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
Do you like a bottle of wine of an evening, | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
For decades, industrial robots have been doing all kinds | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
of repetitive tasks, and they're getting better at them. | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
Robots have, of course, been in factories for years. | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
But they are locked away, seen as dangerous, a threat | :11:46. | :11:48. | |
The new emphasis here, though, is on collaborative robots, | :11:49. | :11:51. | |
ones you can work alongside and see almost as a workmate - | :11:52. | :11:54. | |
They're out of cages and they are here to help | :11:55. | :12:03. | |
As well as collaborative robots, there are devices to | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
Wearing this, a road repair worker becomes Iron Man. | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
The other big idea is that friendly robots could perform | :12:12. | :12:20. | |
all sorts of service jobs, from giving train information | :12:21. | :12:22. | |
to teaching fitness routines to elderly people. | :12:23. | :12:24. | |
Paris is nice around this time of year. | :12:25. | :12:26. | |
Pepper, already on sale in Japan, is coming to Europe, | :12:27. | :12:28. | |
where a range of companies believe the public want to | :12:29. | :12:30. | |
You're not talking to a simple, stupid machine, you're talking | :12:31. | :12:41. | |
The robots are getting ever better at learning human tasks, | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
but the people building them say we've got to start seeing them | :12:46. | :12:47. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :12:48. | :12:54. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning. | :12:55. | :13:04. | |
Use the hashtag Victoria live and If you text, you will be charged | :13:05. | :13:07. | |
Russian media are reporting their country's athletes could be | :13:08. | :13:21. | |
stripped of up to nine medals from the 2008 Beijing Olympics, | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
that's after retests of drugs samples found positive results | :13:25. | :13:26. | |
Russia is currently banned from international athletic | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
competitions, a decision on whether its athletes can | :13:31. | :13:32. | |
participate at the Rio Games this summer will be made next month. | :13:33. | :13:40. | |
One British competitor from the Beijing Olympics says | :13:41. | :13:42. | |
the sport's authorities should be praised for the actions | :13:43. | :13:44. | |
There have been some brave people, some whistleblowers | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
who started the ball rolling and some great journalists. | :13:49. | :13:51. | |
People like the IOC and IAAF and WADA have got their act | :13:52. | :13:54. | |
into gear and it's brilliant they have gone back | :13:55. | :13:56. | |
If I come back with a medal I will be very thankful for it. | :13:57. | :14:08. | |
Andy Murray is back in action today at the French Open tennis, | :14:09. | :14:11. | |
taking on Mathias Bourgue in the second round. | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
The world number two had a real battle to get | :14:15. | :14:17. | |
through his opening match, coming back from two sets down | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
to beat the oldest man in the draw, 37-year-old Radek Stepanek. | :14:22. | :14:23. | |
Murray going through in five sets to set up a tie | :14:24. | :14:26. | |
It wasn't a brilliant day for the British women. | :14:27. | :14:37. | |
Johanna Konta is out of the tournament after | :14:38. | :14:39. | |
a straight sets defeat against Germany's Yulia Goerges. | :14:40. | :14:41. | |
Laura Robson also knocked out, losing to 2014 | :14:42. | :14:43. | |
Heather Watson is first up against Svetlana Kuznetsova. | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
Jose Mourinho's representatives will continue talks with | :14:48. | :14:49. | |
The former Chelsea boss is expected to be confirmed as the next United | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
His agent Jorge Mendes met with the club's | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
Executive Vice Chairman Ed Woodward yesterday following Louis Van Gaal's | :15:01. | :15:02. | |
Striker Zlatan Ibrahimovic is widely anticipated to be | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
Meanwhile former Chelsea boss Carlo Ancelotti says it will be good | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
to have the Special One back in the Premier League. | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
Everyone knows him, he knows really well the Premier League. | :15:17. | :15:23. | |
I think it would be a fantastic signing for Manchester United | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
to improve and to be better than the last two years. | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
England and Wales fans will be subject to a 24 hour alcohol ban | :15:32. | :15:34. | |
on the streets of Lens when the two teams meet there in the group | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
Every match in the northern French city will see a 6am alcohol ban | :15:39. | :15:45. | |
on the day of the match until 6am the following day. | :15:46. | :15:48. | |
It's intended to stop the city becoming overwhelmed | :15:49. | :15:50. | |
Scotland's Kim Little has been voted the BBC | :15:51. | :15:57. | |
The Seattle Reign player topped a supporters' poll to become | :15:58. | :16:03. | |
the second winner of the BBC World Service award. | :16:04. | :16:05. | |
The midfielder has made 115 appearances for Scotland, | :16:06. | :16:07. | |
England all rounder Ben Stokes says he's "devastated" to miss the rest | :16:08. | :16:17. | |
of the series against Sri Lanka after having knee surgery yesterday. | :16:18. | :16:20. | |
Stokes picked up the injury during in the First | :16:21. | :16:22. | |
The ECB hasn't given a timescale on his return. | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
Warwickshire's Chris Woakes has been called up as his replacement. | :16:27. | :16:29. | |
The Second Test against Sri Lanka starts on Friday | :16:30. | :16:31. | |
Steel, I will see you just after half 9. Thanks. | :16:32. | :16:43. | |
Hundreds of steelworkers are expected to march | :16:44. | :16:44. | |
through Central London today, to highlight the crisis facing | :16:45. | :16:46. | |
The protest comes as the future of Tata Steel's British operation | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
is discussed at the company's board meeting in Mumbai. | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
In March, the company announced plans to sell | :16:55. | :16:56. | |
The Business Secretary Sajid Javed has travelled to India | :16:57. | :17:02. | |
He tweeted that "Several credible bidders are in play". | :17:03. | :17:11. | |
In a moment we'll talk to some workers on their way to London, | :17:12. | :17:14. | |
but first here's a look back at the trouble Tata Steel has faced. | :17:15. | :17:24. | |
ended at the steelworks owned by the Thai company SSI | :17:25. | :17:26. | |
One of the main reasons blamed for the closure was cheap | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
It also later emerged that workers' pension payments had been | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
Local workers criticised the Government for not stepping | :17:38. | :17:40. | |
In March this year, the Indian company Tata Steel announced plans | :17:41. | :17:49. | |
to sell its UK business, putting thousands more UK | :17:50. | :17:51. | |
They include 4000 at Port Talbot, its largest steel-making plant. | :17:52. | :17:59. | |
Its European holding company was told to explore all options | :18:00. | :18:01. | |
for restructuring and the UK Government has been working | :18:02. | :18:03. | |
on a plan to sell Tata's assets as a going concern. | :18:04. | :18:10. | |
At the time, Business Secretary Sajid Javid said several options | :18:11. | :18:12. | |
because I think everyone would want a long-term, viable solution. | :18:13. | :18:23. | |
If you look around Europe and elsewhere, I don't think | :18:24. | :18:26. | |
renationalisation is really the answer. | :18:27. | :18:46. | |
The future of around 11,000 remaining Tata employees | :18:47. | :18:50. | |
to save the business expected to be announced later today. | :18:51. | :18:57. | |
But these workers at Port Talbot are positive about the future. | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
Obviously there's lots of speculation, this, | :19:03. | :19:04. | |
We try and block that out, come to work and do what we can | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
Our customers, our product range and what we can do | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
So, we've got the capability, we just need... | :19:14. | :19:18. | |
Hundreds of steel workers are planning to march today. Our | :19:19. | :19:39. | |
correspondent is in Wales. The workers are hoping there is | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
long-term reprieve, how do you assess the situation? I think it has | :19:45. | :19:48. | |
been a very mixed period for the people living here. They have been | :19:49. | :19:54. | |
angry with the government that they didn't step in sooner when the | :19:55. | :19:58. | |
discussion of nationalisation was first discussed, they were thinking | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
that must be the way forward, because they have taken so long to | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
help them, this would be the only way they could be saved. But then | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
Sajid Javid said 25% could be given from the Government. That has drawn | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
in some potential interest from buyers. Now, I think the feeling is | :20:14. | :20:20. | |
that they do have a potential positive outlook. Seven buyers have | :20:21. | :20:31. | |
been mentioned. There is Liberty Steel and the management buy-out | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
group. They feel that is their preferred option, because they will | :20:36. | :20:40. | |
keep the blast furnace and that is the soul of Port Talbot, that is | :20:41. | :20:44. | |
about creating steel. For them that is the way forward. Thank you. We | :20:45. | :21:02. | |
are going to be talking to John Park, and we are joined by Alan | :21:03. | :21:09. | |
Coombes who works at Port Talbot, he is joining us from the bus head fog | :21:10. | :21:17. | |
that rally and Brian Dennis join us from Middlesbrough and he lost his | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
job when the SSI works closed in Redcar. Alan, you're on the bus, how | :21:22. | :21:27. | |
are you feeling heading for this march, knowing that the future of | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
the steel works is hanging in the balance? Yes, there is a lot of | :21:31. | :21:37. | |
anticipation, the guys are all going up to London, meeting up with | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
everyone else from the UK to have a march on Parliament and we are | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
anxious to hear what Tata will be announcing today. There is a bit | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
more light at the end of the tunnel than a month ago. So I'm feeling | :21:52. | :21:55. | |
more positive. What is the mood on the bus today? Everybody's still | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
apprehensive. We still want to know what is going to happen about the | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
buyers and who will be Tata's preferred buyer. But there is more | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
enthusiasm and positivity than a month ago. Obviously, you are coming | :22:11. | :22:17. | |
here on the day that Sajid Javid is in Mumbai. He says he will do | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
everything that he can to make sure that Tata will be a responsible | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
Searl. Do you feel the government is doing everything it can? I think it | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
needs to do more about an industrial strategy. Any buyer would have to | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
have the support of an industrial strategy to make the business | :22:38. | :22:40. | |
viable. I think the Government's still got a big part to play, | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
although they are stepping up to the mark, they still to do more. John, | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
you're representing workers with the union, do you believe the Government | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
is doing everything it can? We have moved them in the right direction, | :22:57. | :23:06. | |
there is no doubt. That has been the union working with the industry. | :23:07. | :23:08. | |
There is more they can do. You have seen the distance we have travelled | :23:09. | :23:12. | |
over the last six to nine months, the thought you have a Conservative | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
Government now prepared to take a stake and provide some loan options | :23:17. | :23:23. | |
for a potential buyer is a huge step for any government, but for a | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
Conservative Government in particular. What do you think has | :23:28. | :23:30. | |
got the situation to this point. It didn't happen with Redcar. What is | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
different? I think unfortunately thousands of people lost their job | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
in Redcar and the Government regret not stepping in earlier. There has | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
been a lot of political pressure, I think the main thing is people | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
recognise it is not just about the steel communities that rely on the | :23:49. | :23:55. | |
steelworks, if we don't have a steel industry, other manufacturing | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
industries would be under threat. Gareth, the picture has changed to | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
be in the situation where there are seven bids on the table. Are you | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
surprised that there are that many in the frame? I am pleased that | :24:09. | :24:16. | |
there are that many, the business they're looking to buy is not an | :24:17. | :24:23. | |
inefficient business. The reason we are in the crisis we are in is | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
because of Government policy piling on costs that we face that our | :24:27. | :24:32. | |
competitors don't face, but it is the tsunami, the flood of Chinese | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
steel that is flooding global markets and making our position | :24:38. | :24:40. | |
uncompetitive. It ills not free trade here we are looking at from | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
China, it is unfair trade, they're selling into the market below market | :24:46. | :24:51. | |
prices and breaking what is normally a very healthy global competitive | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
steel market. Brutally if Chinese steel is available much more cheaply | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
than steel produced here, that filters through in terms of cheaper | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
production costs for other companies and leads to cheaper products. Why | :25:07. | :25:13. | |
is British Steel so important if it is much more expensive? Two points. | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
One it is unfairly traded and you know it is not cheap as in good | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
value steel, it is cheap unfairly traded steel that is here for the | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
short-term. I don't think we will see those prices for the long-term. | :25:28. | :25:34. | |
If we lose our steel sector, we will be beholden to global steel prices | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
and then crucially don't, we won't have the ability for steel as a very | :25:40. | :25:45. | |
important foundation sector, feeding into key important sectors in the UK | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
like automotive and construction and defence. If we lose the steel | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
sector, where does that slow burn end and where do we see the rest of | :25:57. | :26:04. | |
the sectors going? Will we lose all those manufacturing sectors and that | :26:05. | :26:10. | |
is why as your previous person said, was we need an industrial strategy | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
here in the UK, something we do not have. Brian, you lost your job at | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
Redcar, we were talking about how there wasn't the same intervention | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
for Redcar, when you see what is going on with Tata, what do you | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
think? I believe that we were never given a fighting chance. We asked | :26:30. | :26:35. | |
the Government for help and the Government hid behind EU state aid | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
rules. The same rules apply, but the Government now are willing to put | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
their hand in their pocket and help investors. All we were asking for | :26:45. | :26:50. | |
was that same help. Now, our furnace and our coke ovens were not | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
moth-balled, but left to self-destruct. There is no way back | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
for us. All because the Government wouldn't step in and offer what is | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
on the table now. We asked for the help and it wasn't coming. For your | :27:06. | :27:12. | |
community there, what has it meant? Well it has meant job losses. I have | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
been lucky, I have found a job, my job is in Durham and I'm thinking | :27:18. | :27:20. | |
now, do I move out of the area and go and live there and if I'm doing | :27:21. | :27:24. | |
that, what happens to the other 2 and a half or three thousand people, | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
will they move? Because there is no work on Teesside. It is decimating | :27:30. | :27:34. | |
communities. Alan, I don't know if you could hear Brian talking about | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
the impact on Teesside after the closure of Redcar. It is the way | :27:40. | :27:48. | |
workers at Port Talbot were talking when the, Tata pulling out was first | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
on the table. We were talking to workers like you with 25 years | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
experience and families who have just known working at that | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
steelworks. I suppose you feel sympathy for Brian and also relief | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
in the hope that you're not facing that scenario. You're right. There | :28:07. | :28:16. | |
Brian and his colleagues and it is heartbreaking what happened in | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
Redcar and what happened in Ebbw Vale in the past and the people were | :28:22. | :28:24. | |
looking at that and hoping and praying it wouldn't happen to them. | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
Hopefully with the Government intervention, it is not going to | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
happen to Port Talbot, it is heartbreaking what happened in | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
Redcar and my heart goes out to the colleagues there. It is a shame that | :28:38. | :28:45. | |
great blast fur naves is no more. -- furnace is no more. The Government | :28:46. | :28:51. | |
were late coming to the game. Hopefully they can help Port Talbot. | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
You spoke about the way the company and the workers are working | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
together, at the moment, what ever happens there is not going to be a | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
quick solution here is there. It will be a long process to turn | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
things around? We want that process to take the time that it needs to | :29:09. | :29:14. | |
take Maur Tata are -- sure that Tata are a responsible seller. It is | :29:15. | :29:19. | |
important we get ourselves into a position where the trade unions work | :29:20. | :29:25. | |
with any buyers. The industry has had to change over many years and | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
the employees have played a key role and they have done that because | :29:30. | :29:35. | |
they're proud of the industry and the communities they live in and | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
they have ensured that the British economy has been built on steel. A | :29:40. | :29:45. | |
final thought on the way Tata has handled this, it has unabled this | :29:46. | :29:54. | |
process to -- enabled the process to unfold. Tata has shown it is a | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
responsible employ hear the wants to see, as much as we all do, a steel | :30:00. | :30:06. | |
sector in the UK that is sustainable and adding to the UK economy. Thank | :30:07. | :30:13. | |
you all very much. Let us know your thoughts if you're affected by what | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
is going on at Tata. We will keep you updated with all the | :30:20. | :30:20. | |
developments. A young Australian boy whose first | :30:21. | :30:23. | |
language is Gaelic faces being deported from the UK along | :30:24. | :30:26. | |
with his parents, after the Home Confused about claim | :30:27. | :30:29. | |
and counter-claim over what will happen if the UK votes | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
to leave Europe? Our political guru will | :30:34. | :30:36. | |
cut through the hype - today he's looking at the issue | :30:37. | :30:38. | |
of sovereignty. I will be joined by two politicians | :30:39. | :30:48. | |
for their prospectives. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom | :30:49. | :31:00. | |
with a summary of today's news. A vote to leave the European Union | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
would hurt the public finances and potentially add up to two years | :31:05. | :31:07. | |
to the Government's austerity programme according to a new report | :31:08. | :31:09. | |
from the Institute for Fiscal The research organisation says that | :31:10. | :31:12. | |
leaving the EU could mean lower economic growth and a drop | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
in tax receipts. Leave campaigners say a vote | :31:17. | :31:17. | |
for Brexit could offer trade opportunities, | :31:18. | :31:21. | |
but the IFS says any potential A dozen former senior military | :31:22. | :31:23. | |
officers have spoken out about the dangers of Britain | :31:24. | :31:29. | |
remaining in the European Union. They warn that EU law | :31:30. | :31:31. | |
is undermining Britain's combat effectiveness and that Nato, | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
not the EU, should remain The Remain campaign says membership | :31:37. | :31:38. | |
of the EU and Nato Hundreds of steelworkers | :31:39. | :31:42. | |
are expected to march through Central London today, | :31:43. | :31:48. | |
to highlight the crisis facing The protest comes as the future | :31:49. | :31:50. | |
of Tata Steel's British operation is discussed at the company's | :31:51. | :31:55. | |
board meeting in Mumbai. The Business Secretary | :31:56. | :31:58. | |
and the First Minister of Wales have travelled to India to hold | :31:59. | :32:00. | |
talks with bosses. In March, the company | :32:01. | :32:02. | |
announced plans to sell A new group led by a former boss | :32:03. | :32:04. | |
of Mothercare is thought to be The Richess Group is being | :32:05. | :32:13. | |
led by Greg Tufnell, the brother of former England | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
cricketer Phil Tufnell. Other bidders including | :32:17. | :32:19. | |
the founder of Matalan, are understood to have fallen out | :32:20. | :32:21. | |
of the running. Sources close to the process say | :32:22. | :32:23. | |
that if no buyer is found by Friday, BHS is likely to be liquidated, | :32:24. | :32:27. | |
putting the retailer's Marks Spencer has reported a rise | :32:28. | :32:29. | |
in underlying profits by 4.3% The retailer has said future short | :32:30. | :32:37. | |
term profits will be hit by a revamp of its clothing and home range | :32:38. | :32:44. | |
where sales have fallen. The new chief executive, Steve Rowe, | :32:45. | :32:46. | |
said he intends to cut prices Nearly three-quarters of the care | :32:47. | :32:49. | |
homes in England rated as inadequate by the Care Quality Commission, | :32:50. | :32:59. | |
have now improved. The watchdog says its tougher | :33:00. | :33:01. | |
inspection regime is Care providers warn that will only | :33:02. | :33:03. | |
continue if funding is improved. The Government says it has made | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
?3.5 billion available to councils. There has been a sharp drop | :33:08. | :33:13. | |
in antibiotics being prescribed NHS figures for the year | :33:14. | :33:20. | |
to May show there were 2.6 million fewer prescriptions | :33:21. | :33:24. | |
than in the previous 12 months. Last week a major review | :33:25. | :33:26. | |
of antibiotic resistance warned that by 2050 superbugs | :33:27. | :33:31. | |
could kill one person every three seconds worldwide | :33:32. | :33:34. | |
unless action was taken. That's a summary of | :33:35. | :33:37. | |
the latest BBC News. Thank you. Let's catch up with the | :33:38. | :33:43. | |
sport with Will. Russia could be stripped | :33:44. | :33:52. | |
of up to nine medals from the 2008 Beijing Olympics | :33:53. | :33:55. | |
after retests of drugs samples found positive results for 14 | :33:56. | :33:57. | |
of the country's athletes. Russia is currently | :33:58. | :33:59. | |
banned from international A decision on whether its athletes | :34:00. | :34:01. | |
can participate at the Rio Games We'll speak to Olympic medallist | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
Kelly Soterton at 10am. Andy Murray is back in action | :34:06. | :34:09. | |
today at the French Open, taking on wildcard Mathias Bourgue | :34:10. | :34:12. | |
in the second round. The world number two battled back | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
from two sets down yesterday to beat the oldest man in the draw, | :34:17. | :34:19. | |
37-year-old Radek Stepanek. Kyle Edmund and Heather Watson | :34:20. | :34:22. | |
are also both in action. Jose Mourinho is expected to be | :34:23. | :34:28. | |
named Manchster United manager His representatives will continue | :34:29. | :34:30. | |
talks with club officials today. Striker Zlatan Ibrahimovic is widely | :34:31. | :34:35. | |
anticipated to be Scotland's Kim Little has been voted | :34:36. | :34:37. | |
the BBC Women's Footballer The Seattle Reign player topped | :34:38. | :34:42. | |
a supporters' poll to become the second winner of the BBC | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
World Service award. The midfielder has made 115 | :34:48. | :34:49. | |
appearances for Scotland, We will see you just after 10am | :34:50. | :35:02. | |
Joanna. See you then, thank you very much, Will. | :35:03. | :35:04. | |
Just under a month to go and the polling booths will open | :35:05. | :35:07. | |
But have you got a grip on the main facts of the debate? | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
Never fear, we're here to help and our political guru Norman Smith | :35:12. | :35:14. | |
is our guide to help us cut through some of the claims | :35:15. | :35:17. | |
and counter claims both sides are making. | :35:18. | :35:19. | |
This week we look at the issue of sovereignty. | :35:20. | :35:21. | |
Let's go to Norman. Joanna, thank you very much. Well, there are big | :35:22. | :35:28. | |
arguments in the referendum around the economy, security, immigration, | :35:29. | :35:31. | |
but for many people there is this much more fundamental argument about | :35:32. | :35:36. | |
sovereignty. Where does power lie? Who is actually in charge? Is | :35:37. | :35:40. | |
authority in Brussels or is it in London? Well, here is our | :35:41. | :35:46. | |
sovereignty see-saw with Mr Cameron at within end and Boris Johnson at | :35:47. | :35:48. | |
the other end. Mr Cameron says at within end and Boris Johnson at | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
have share sovereignty to have real power. You have to pool it to have | :35:53. | :35:56. | |
real impact, not just in the European Union. He says look at | :35:57. | :35:59. | |
Nato, we share our defence forces with other countries and that gives | :36:00. | :36:02. | |
us more clout as a with other countries and that gives | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
organisation. Saying politically he would say with the European Union. | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
Secondly, if would say with the European Union. | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
European Union then we have no say or influence on it even though we're | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
still going to be shaped by its decisions. British companies, if | :36:18. | :36:22. | |
they want to trade with the EU, will still have to abide by certain EU | :36:23. | :36:30. | |
rules and regulations. Lastly, Mr Cameron says hey, we've got the best | :36:31. | :36:34. | |
of both worlds, we are in the European Union, but we're not stuck | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
in the single currency, we're not bound by the common immigration | :36:40. | :36:44. | |
rules around the Schengen area. Mr Cameron's, I suppose, big pitch is, | :36:45. | :36:47. | |
he thinks it is an illusion to think if we left the European Union, | :36:48. | :36:49. | |
Britain would be more if we left the European Union, | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
more independent, we would have more clout in the world. Europe would | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
still be there. It would still influence us, but we wouldn't be | :36:58. | :37:08. | |
able to shape it. If | :37:09. | :37:08. | |
able to shape it. is still going to be a burj of | :37:09. | :37:13. | |
people working out what the rules are for airlines, for routes, for | :37:14. | :37:16. | |
passengers, what the regulations are, what the arrangements | :37:17. | :37:19. | |
passengers, what the regulations only difference is, we won't be | :37:20. | :37:19. | |
there. So we would only difference is, we won't be | :37:20. | :37:25. | |
all the rules, take all the regulations, but without any say of | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
what they are. Now that's not the act of a great, bold, big country | :37:30. | :37:34. | |
that wants to have an influence in the world. That's cutting yourself | :37:35. | :37:38. | |
off. You become a rule taker, not a rule maker. So what do Mr B Johnson | :37:39. | :37:51. | |
and the Brexiters say? Mr Joern o Johnson's argument is EU law is | :37:52. | :37:54. | |
supreme. So it doesn't really matter what the courts here decide or | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
Parliament decides. At end of the day, those making the final decision | :37:59. | :38:01. | |
are over there. It is day, those making the final decision | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
Court of Justice who calls the final shots. Secondly, he says, we are | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
always outvoted. We are the perennial losers in Europe. We | :38:11. | :38:13. | |
always outvoted. We are the more than any other country when it | :38:14. | :38:18. | |
comes to how the votes fall in the European Union. And lastly, he warns | :38:19. | :38:24. | |
about the European Union superstate. That there will be more integration, | :38:25. | :38:28. | |
more pooling of power and in other words less power here and more over | :38:29. | :38:35. | |
there. And when Boris Johnson is out and about on the campaign trail, one | :38:36. | :38:42. | |
of his most popular themes is to say, "Look, Europe isn't just making | :38:43. | :38:47. | |
the big decisions, it is interfering in every little nook and cranny of | :38:48. | :38:54. | |
our lives. It is interfering in bent bananas and hairdryers" And that | :38:55. | :38:57. | |
goes down with the crowds when Boris Johnson is trying to get them going. | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
Why should they tell us? Why should they tell us how powerful our vacuum | :39:03. | :39:06. | |
cleaners should be? Why should they tell us how power our hairdryers | :39:07. | :39:12. | |
should be? This is not a matter for an international body to dictate to | :39:13. | :39:16. | |
the British people. We take back, if we take back control, if we take | :39:17. | :39:23. | |
back control we will lift the burden ?600 million a week lifted off the | :39:24. | :39:29. | |
backs of British industry and business. That's why this campaign | :39:30. | :39:32. | |
is growing. I suppose for many people, it is the most fundamental | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
argue: Yes, there are important ks about whether we might be better off | :39:38. | :39:41. | |
in or out or whether we can perhaps just curb some of the migration into | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
Europe, but for many people, the biggest factor is who is running the | :39:47. | :39:52. | |
show? Who is in charge? Where does real power lie? | :39:53. | :39:55. | |
Let's talk more about that. Well, we have representatives from | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
the two official campaigns. Vote Leave's Kwasi Kwarteng | :39:59. | :40:00. | |
Conservative MP, he wants you to vote to leave | :40:01. | :40:02. | |
the European Union and Stronger In Britain's Chris Bryant, | :40:03. | :40:04. | |
Shadow Leader of the House Of Commons and Labour MP, | :40:05. | :40:06. | |
he wants you to remain in the EU. Thank you for joining us. Let's pick | :40:07. | :40:15. | |
up on what Boris Johnson was saying right at the end of that. Why should | :40:16. | :40:19. | |
the EU tell us how power our vacuum cleaners should be? Why should we as | :40:20. | :40:24. | |
a member of the European Union want to step away, why would we ever want | :40:25. | :40:28. | |
to step away from the table at which the decisions are made about | :40:29. | :40:31. | |
standards that affect children's toy, kettles, everything. I would | :40:32. | :40:34. | |
have thought if you are a British manufacturer of children's toys, | :40:35. | :40:37. | |
just for instance, you would want the British Government to be sitting | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
at the table, deciding all the rules that specify what is safe, so and as | :40:43. | :40:48. | |
a parent you would want to make sure any children's toys that you could | :40:49. | :40:51. | |
buy in the European Union, whether they were made in the European Union | :40:52. | :40:53. | |
or imported into the European Union from China or anywhere else, were | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
safe. So you see, I start from a fundamental principle which is that | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
we achieve far more by our collective endeavour than we can | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
possibly do by going it a loan and basically the decision here is we | :41:08. | :41:10. | |
know there is a big table that makes big decisions in Brussels and | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
Strasbourg and the question is whether we want to sit at that table | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
or sit on the children's table on our own? What do you say? It is very | :41:19. | :41:27. | |
well sitting around a table, but if we are consistently outvoted as your | :41:28. | :41:32. | |
report said... What being decided doesn't get swept away if the UK | :41:33. | :41:36. | |
isn't at the table, does it? The rules on vacuum cleaners would still | :41:37. | :41:39. | |
apply if British companies wanted to trade in Europe for instance. That's | :41:40. | :41:43. | |
the point of the negotiation. The point about sovereignty, it is | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
absolute. You're saying that under the legislation that the House of | :41:48. | :41:56. | |
Commons passed, we are subordinating British primary legislation to | :41:57. | :41:59. | |
applicable EU law. And that's why it is such a huge deal. What we're | :42:00. | :42:05. | |
saying is if we leave the EU, we can actually have a sovereign Parliament | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
where we make our own decisions. That's the point you see, no, we | :42:10. | :42:14. | |
wouldn't. No, we would no more than we are at the moment. There are | :42:15. | :42:18. | |
loads of laws which we write now. We are about to do a new Adoption Bill. | :42:19. | :42:22. | |
We don't have to refer that to the EU. There are lots of EU laws that I | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
applicable. Yes, but the benefit for us is that we get to magnify our | :42:28. | :42:31. | |
voice. You see, there is one so-called fact that has been put out | :42:32. | :42:36. | |
by the Leave campaign which is untrue I'm afraid. Is that we lose | :42:37. | :42:40. | |
all the time. We win 92% of the time. We lose more than any other | :42:41. | :42:44. | |
country. You say that the UK wins 92% of the time. Yes. How do you | :42:45. | :42:50. | |
have such a different statistic? You say 0% of the time. You say 92% of | :42:51. | :42:57. | |
the time? Most legislation is contested. When there is a divide | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
and there ends up being a vet we're on the winning side 92% of the time. | :43:02. | :43:06. | |
And how do you... That's just a fact. Wellks he says it is not a | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
fact. Where do you get that fact from? Most legislation is | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
uncontroversial, but the things where we are object, we lose every | :43:15. | :43:18. | |
time. The things where we're against, obviously we lose every | :43:19. | :43:23. | |
time. Do you accept that? No. We can claim back sovereignty. When I was | :43:24. | :43:26. | |
the Europe Minister and I went to the meetings and there would be a | :43:27. | :43:28. | |
row about something. Sometimes people would say, Britain is bound | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
to lose on this. My experience was if you sat down and you worked and | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
you treated it like a lobbying campaign, you could nearly always | :43:37. | :43:40. | |
create a winning come bin nation and then you managed to get the British | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
voice being amplified across the EU. Now, my anxiety is that, if we were | :43:45. | :43:47. | |
to leave the European Union, what will happen is that all the same | :43:48. | :43:51. | |
decision will keep on being made, we will want to be in the single market | :43:52. | :43:57. | |
because otherwise we are turning our backs on economic prosperity and we | :43:58. | :44:01. | |
will have to swallow every rule and regulation that's brought out | :44:02. | :44:04. | |
without ever being able to influence it. People say this is the terrible | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
thing that Norway has decided by not joining, but since, you'll | :44:10. | :44:12. | |
understand this, since the Norway referendum, more people, more | :44:13. | :44:17. | |
Norwegians, 70%, every poll, suggests that more Norwegians want | :44:18. | :44:20. | |
to stay out of the EU. They understand the arguments you are | :44:21. | :44:24. | |
making and 70% still want to stay out of the EU. Unless they are | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
deluded why on earth would more than was the case when they did their | :44:30. | :44:34. | |
referendum in 94? I want to talk more about the laws enacted in this | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
uncan and the EU power over that effectively. Because we're talking | :44:39. | :44:42. | |
about different figures being quoted and how much the UK wins votes. In | :44:43. | :44:48. | |
terms of the numbers of laws enacted in this country as direct result of | :44:49. | :44:51. | |
the EU, again, very different figures coming out of both camps. | :44:52. | :44:56. | |
They range between 10% and 17%. Forget about the figures. Why? What | :44:57. | :45:02. | |
the European communities Act does is subordinate Parliamentary laws to EU | :45:03. | :45:09. | |
laws. That's a fact. Hang on, you're disputing how much control the UK | :45:10. | :45:12. | |
Parliament has in terms of making laws. You see it differently. What | :45:13. | :45:19. | |
proportion of UK laws... Whatever figures he says. I'm saying because | :45:20. | :45:25. | |
of the European communities Act Parliament laws, Parliamentary laws, | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
are subordinate. They are out ranked by EU laws and that's what I | :45:31. | :45:32. | |
fundamentally object to. He is making a theoretical argument. | :45:33. | :45:42. | |
That what is it is. I start from a different principle that I want the | :45:43. | :45:47. | |
British people to be able to have as much influence over the things that | :45:48. | :45:53. | |
affect their lives N a global world where people, money, business | :45:54. | :45:58. | |
travels in far more than it ever did when our parents or grandparents | :45:59. | :46:02. | |
were born, that is more difficult to do, because you're dealing with | :46:03. | :46:06. | |
international corporations and want to make them pay tax and it is more | :46:07. | :46:10. | |
difficult in any one country to force them to do that. If you unite | :46:11. | :46:15. | |
you stand a better chance of doing that. On foreign policy, it is | :46:16. | :46:19. | |
difficult for Britain to stand up to Putin on our own, but with the EU we | :46:20. | :46:23. | |
stand a better chance and I think you were talking about steel earlier | :46:24. | :46:29. | |
and I don't think we stand a chance of dealing with the problem of | :46:30. | :46:34. | |
Chinese overproduction of steel unless we do that on a common basis. | :46:35. | :46:40. | |
For me, what we do by being a member of the EU is we get an opportunity | :46:41. | :46:45. | |
to magnify our influence in the world. Thing is this discussion was | :46:46. | :46:52. | |
about sovereignty and Chris dismissed my argument as a | :46:53. | :47:03. | |
theoretical argument. Does Parliament have the power or the EU. | :47:04. | :47:11. | |
You didn't answer that point. Well I thought I had answered, but I think | :47:12. | :47:17. | |
that... It is not just about how you write the laws, but the application | :47:18. | :47:24. | |
of laws. For a British person is it more important than an individual | :47:25. | :47:30. | |
law is written in this country, or is it more important you have a | :47:31. | :47:36. | |
British version of law that is applied across Europement This is a | :47:37. | :47:42. | |
fundamental difference. I think it is important that theoretically we | :47:43. | :47:48. | |
are are the sovereign power. Chris is being honest and saying I'm happy | :47:49. | :47:53. | |
for that to happen. So long as the practical outcome. But I want | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
sovereignty to be vested in a Parliament elected by the people | :47:59. | :48:02. | |
here. If you can achieve a swrags where the law you want -- situation | :48:03. | :48:07. | |
where the law you want does I my in the UK and also applies in Europe | :48:08. | :48:11. | |
and you have had to make compromises with other countries, but that means | :48:12. | :48:15. | |
your businesses can do better business in Europe or you when you | :48:16. | :48:20. | |
travel in Europe or do business in Europe can do better, I can't see | :48:21. | :48:23. | |
how we have lost out. I think the principle is important is what | :48:24. | :48:29. | |
happens is that any laws that we pass are subject to a foreign power. | :48:30. | :48:37. | |
The 20th century is full of countries that became independent | :48:38. | :48:44. | |
and they never said you are better because of this, it is they want to | :48:45. | :48:48. | |
be independent. I think in the British context that is something we | :48:49. | :48:51. | |
can achieve if we vote the right way on 23rd. We have to stop. What about | :48:52. | :48:57. | |
the Tupperware you can just put the lid on. Thank you very much. Have | :48:58. | :49:05. | |
you decided how you will vote. If you're not still not sure, you can | :49:06. | :49:10. | |
take part in one of our big TV audience debates on 6th June we will | :49:11. | :49:11. | |
be in Manchester. If you want to take part and can get | :49:12. | :49:24. | |
to Manchester from wherever you are in the UK do | :49:25. | :49:27. | |
e-mail [email protected] to have your chance to quiz | :49:28. | :49:29. | |
and listen to senior politicians Coming up: As comedian Bill Cosby | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
prepares to stand trial on sexual assault charges, | :49:35. | :49:40. | |
we hear from one of his alleged victims who describes how | :49:41. | :49:43. | |
he gave her pills before raping her. Gregg and Kathryn Brain have | :49:44. | :49:48. | |
lived in the Highlands They arrived in Scotland | :49:49. | :49:51. | |
from Australia after the Scottish Government encouraged | :49:52. | :49:57. | |
foreign nationals to relocate there, but they now face being | :49:58. | :50:03. | |
deported in six days time. It's all because the type | :50:04. | :50:06. | |
of visa they would need Their case has now been taken | :50:07. | :50:08. | |
up by Scotland's First Let's speak to Greg, | :50:09. | :50:12. | |
Kathryn and their son Lachlin - who live in Inverness at the moment, | :50:13. | :50:19. | |
along with their local MP Ian Blackford who has | :50:20. | :50:22. | |
championed their cause with the Immigration | :50:23. | :50:23. | |
Minister in Westminster. Greg and Kathryn, you came here in | :50:24. | :50:34. | |
2011 from Australia, when you came, did you believe it would be forever? | :50:35. | :50:40. | |
We certainly had long-term plans, that was included in our visa | :50:41. | :50:47. | |
application with Cathy's studies she could use them as part of her | :50:48. | :50:52. | |
employment. One of inducements offered was there would be a | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
two-year post study work visa that would enable us to develop a | :50:58. | :51:03. | |
relationship with an employer to see the value of sponsoring us for a | :51:04. | :51:09. | |
longer term plan. Why did you want to come here? We have both got | :51:10. | :51:15. | |
Scottish ancestry and came here in 2001 on our tenth wedding | :51:16. | :51:20. | |
anniversary and felt we belonged here. In 2005 we came back to do a | :51:21. | :51:26. | |
reality check trip to see what the cost-of-living was and to start | :51:27. | :51:30. | |
planning towards relocating to here and it was in 2007 when the Highland | :51:31. | :51:35. | |
home coming programme was promoted in Australia and we started looking | :51:36. | :51:40. | |
into that line of visas that would be available. But with our ancestry, | :51:41. | :51:48. | |
it is our great grandparents so we had to look at other option and the | :51:49. | :51:53. | |
fresh talent programme provided that. You sold up in Australia and | :51:54. | :51:59. | |
decided to immerse you're in life in the Highlands. Absolutely. The | :52:00. | :52:06. | |
degree I applied for was a Scottish cultural studies degree with the | :52:07. | :52:09. | |
University of Highlands and Islands. Towards the end of my second year of | :52:10. | :52:15. | |
that degree, it had changed so with the approval of my programme leaders | :52:16. | :52:20. | |
I switched into the double major of Scottish history and archaeology | :52:21. | :52:23. | |
programme, which I have now completed and of course the dream | :52:24. | :52:27. | |
job would be something with national trust or historic Scotland to | :52:28. | :52:33. | |
further that knowledge I have gained. But at the moment you know | :52:34. | :52:39. | |
we are just wanting to make a life here with our wee boy Lachlan, again | :52:40. | :52:45. | |
following our cultural roots. That is where we are at at the moment. | :52:46. | :52:51. | |
Greg, where you're at at the moment though is facing deportation in six | :52:52. | :52:57. | |
days. Can you believe that? Are you prepared to leave in six days? Well, | :52:58. | :53:05. | |
yes we have to be. Due to circumstances related to this we | :53:06. | :53:08. | |
have been evicted from the house we were living in and we are now living | :53:09. | :53:12. | |
on the charity of friends. All our property is packed up in Inverness | :53:13. | :53:16. | |
and they're waiting on instructions as to what address to deliver that | :53:17. | :53:22. | |
to whether it is somewhere here if we get to stay or back to Australia | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
if we have to leave. Tell us more about your personal circumstances, | :53:28. | :53:32. | |
when and why were you evicted? Well, our landlord when this started, we | :53:33. | :53:36. | |
were on a casual lease and had been there for two years and were on a | :53:37. | :53:44. | |
month to month short tenancy. Our landlord said we either sign on for | :53:45. | :53:49. | |
another six months or leave, because we couldn't guarantee another six | :53:50. | :53:59. | |
months, he gave us a notice of eviction with saying we were engaged | :54:00. | :54:04. | |
in criminal activity. Did you have money to pay rent and have you been | :54:05. | :54:09. | |
able to support yourselves? We have never missed a payment in rent and | :54:10. | :54:15. | |
we got our full bond back at the end of the tenancy. The agent who | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
inspected the property agreed the property was in better condition | :54:21. | :54:25. | |
when we left than when we arrived. Let's bring in Ian, you're the local | :54:26. | :54:34. | |
MP, they came under the fresh talent scheme and believed they would be | :54:35. | :54:35. | |
welcomed scheme and believed they would be | :54:36. | :54:43. | |
entire family is an scheme and believed they would be | :54:44. | :54:45. | |
Scotland. You scheme and believed they would be | :54:46. | :54:49. | |
boy who reads and rites in Gaelic. If the family are deported they have | :54:50. | :54:54. | |
to go back to Australia, although he can speak English, he reads and | :54:55. | :54:59. | |
writes in Gaelic. The basic decency should come in and I'm asking the | :55:00. | :55:05. | |
Government to show come passion. They came with good grace, thinking | :55:06. | :55:11. | |
they would satisfy the requirements for the visa. I'm asking the | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
minister to recognise there are very people that came under that | :55:16. | :55:19. | |
initiative that are still here. This is not about creating a precedent, | :55:20. | :55:24. | |
but understanding that we have a family that want to | :55:25. | :55:26. | |
but understanding that we have a in the Highlands. Our population has | :55:27. | :55:31. | |
declined over the course of the last hundred years and we need | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
declined over the course of the last our economy. I'm asking the | :55:37. | :55:38. | |
Government to show come passion and give them what would have been that | :55:39. | :55:45. | |
post work study visa to allow them to stay here for the longer | :55:46. | :55:48. | |
post work study visa to allow them You said about being in touch with | :55:49. | :55:53. | |
the immigration minister, in a statement the Government says the | :55:54. | :55:56. | |
minister did grant a period of grace to allow the family to | :55:57. | :55:59. | |
minister did grant a period of grace their stay and the minister granted | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
a further extension to their stay and the minister granted | :56:04. | :56:08. | |
job applications, however, evidence of a relevant job in line with | :56:09. | :56:13. | |
immigration rules has not been provided to date. They have been | :56:14. | :56:14. | |
given a chance. provided to date. They have been | :56:15. | :56:22. | |
this, the whole process of being evicted from the | :56:23. | :56:24. | |
this, the whole process of being takes time to get a job to qualify. | :56:25. | :56:29. | |
Both have come close to this over the last few weeks. I'm not asking | :56:30. | :56:33. | |
they should be given special treatment in so far as they should | :56:34. | :56:38. | |
not have to qualify, but that they're given what was offered to | :56:39. | :56:43. | |
them when they came here in 2011 that, postwork study visa, a | :56:44. | :56:51. | |
two-year qualification giving time for both to qualify. It is about the | :56:52. | :56:55. | |
appropriate amount of time. I would appeal to employers in the Highlands | :56:56. | :56:59. | |
and Islands that in the six days that we have got, if anyone could | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
use the skill set, the very good skill set they have, that would be | :57:05. | :57:12. | |
helpful. Is it literally any job? No there are specific criteria. It is | :57:13. | :57:17. | |
difficult to... ? No, there has been a lot of bad luck. Kathryn was | :57:18. | :57:23. | |
offered a job that satisfied the visa, but that offer was | :57:24. | :57:30. | |
reskinneded, because of - rescinded. The Government has to recognise this | :57:31. | :57:38. | |
can't be done over night. Greg was working. So I'm asking the | :57:39. | :57:41. | |
Government to allow them to work and go through this process to qualify | :57:42. | :57:47. | |
for the visa. Greg and Kathryn, the immigration minister has given you | :57:48. | :57:52. | |
extra time twice to be able to find work so you can comply with the visa | :57:53. | :57:57. | |
requirements. Why hasn't it happened? Yes, as Ian said there has | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
been some bad luck, days after we were given the first extension | :58:03. | :58:07. | |
Kathryn's employer had a tragic change of circumstances personally | :58:08. | :58:11. | |
and had to pull out. Then there was a job with the Highland council | :58:12. | :58:17. | |
which matched my health and safety and education policy skills set that | :58:18. | :58:22. | |
I brought from Australia, I applied for that job and then found the | :58:23. | :58:26. | |
position had been withdrawn because it had been filled by a redeployee. | :58:27. | :58:33. | |
And the bar has been set very high for us. What we have to do in this | :58:34. | :58:44. | |
next few days is to interview with an employer that knows us not at all | :58:45. | :58:52. | |
and convince them that we are worth investing some ?4,000 odd in | :58:53. | :58:58. | |
immigration lawyers' fees and Home Office application fees to get a | :58:59. | :59:04. | |
sponsorship licence. It is very difficult to convince them you're | :59:05. | :59:09. | |
worth employing and a ?4,000 signing bonus. We are asking for the home | :59:10. | :59:16. | |
awe Home Office to live up to the visas that were in place that would | :59:17. | :59:21. | |
give us two years to establish a career here, to establish a rapport | :59:22. | :59:26. | |
with an employer and to convince them of our value so they would be | :59:27. | :59:30. | |
willing to make that investment. Thank you all very much for joining | :59:31. | :59:32. | |
us. A Home Office spokesperson told us, | :59:33. | :59:35. | |
"All visa applications are considered on their individual | :59:36. | :59:37. | |
merits, and applicants must provide evidence to show | :59:38. | :59:39. | |
they meet the requirements Now the weather. Carol is here. We | :59:40. | :59:54. | |
are matching today? We are. The weather is uniform as well. There is | :59:55. | :59:58. | |
a lot of cloud around today and the best of the brightness will be in | :59:59. | :00:04. | |
the west and I can show your that in some pictures sent in. A cloudy | :00:05. | :00:11. | |
start in Kent and also in Isle of Wight as we drift west some brighter | :00:12. | :00:17. | |
skies in Dorset. But in the north we are still looking at cloud. | :00:18. | :00:25. | |
It is rather cloudy across north east Scotland also. It is | :00:26. | :00:31. | |
illustrated where we have got all the cloud and when we have some | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
breaks and sunshine. As we get through the day, cloud will move a | :00:37. | :00:41. | |
bit further towards the west. We will also see some more rain coming | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
out that cloud, it will be on and off through the day. Eventually | :00:45. | :00:50. | |
getting in possibly to the borders of Scotland. To the north of that in | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
Scotland, there will be some sunshine. To the south-west also. | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
But the rain continuing through the afternoon across northern England, | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
the Midlands, patchy in nature across East Anglia. Moving down to | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
the south east, still a lot of cloud around, more than yesterday. We will | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
see is lighter breaks here and there. More likely to see sunshine | :01:15. | :01:20. | |
in the south-west. After a sunny start across western part of Wales | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
and the south-west, cloud building with some patchy rain across north | :01:25. | :01:30. | |
Wales. Then for Northern Ireland, mixture of bright spells, some | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
sunshine and the odd shower. You will see the lion's share of the | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
sunshine in Scotland today. Always feeling cool down the seacoast. We | :01:40. | :01:45. | |
still have that rain across northern parts of the country as we go | :01:46. | :01:49. | |
through the night. Into Northern Ireland, slipping southwards across | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
Wales. Across southern counties, some breaks in the cloud, as in the | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
north. And in the north west of Scotland, it could be cold enough | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
for some frost. Perhaps some sunshine tomorrow. We still have | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
this weather front draped across the central swathes of the country | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
tomorrow. It will produce a little bit of rain and it will fill cooler | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
in the north. Sunshine further south and feeling quite muddy. Amateurs | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
will be rising through the day and we find it could spark off some | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
thundery showers. Friday, a brighter day for some of us but still showers | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
dotted around. Sunshine in the north, some in the north. -- some in | :02:32. | :02:37. | |
the south. Some thunderstorms likely to be sparked off with those rising | :02:38. | :02:39. | |
temperatures. Hello it's Wednesday, it's 10am. | :02:40. | :03:03. | |
I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria. Welcome to the programme | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
if you've just joined us. As comedian Bill Cosby | :03:07. | :03:08. | |
prepares to stand trial on sexual assault charges, | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
we hear from one of his alleged Victims, who watched him like a | :03:15. | :03:22. | |
hawk. For many years, most of us thought | :03:23. | :03:28. | |
we were the only one. And we didn't realise | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
that we had been victimised From midnight tonight, legal highs | :03:32. | :03:33. | |
will no longer be legal in the UK. We'll talk to both supporters | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
and critics of the new blanket ban And there's more trouble for Russia | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
in the world of athletics. 14 of its athletes have failed | :03:44. | :03:48. | |
a recent re-test for doping Could the country be | :03:49. | :03:51. | |
banned from Rio? Good morning. | :03:52. | :04:06. | |
It's 10.04am. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
with a summary of today's news. A vote to leave the European Union | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
would hurt the public finances - and potentially add up to two years | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
to the government's austerity programme according to a new report | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
from the Institute for Fiscal The research organisation says that | :04:23. | :04:24. | |
leaving the EU could mean lower economic growth and a drop | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
in tax receipts. Leave campaigners say a vote | :04:31. | :04:31. | |
for Brexit could offer trade opportunities, | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
but the IFS says any potential Our Economics Correspondent, | :04:35. | :04:36. | |
Andy Verity reports. Less than a month away from the | :04:37. | :04:43. | |
referendum, what Less than a month away from the | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
case for leaving the European Less than a month away from the | :04:48. | :05:01. | |
you count for subsidies to UK farmers, it is 150 million. It adds | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
up to 8 billion a year which may seem large, but they say the economy | :05:07. | :05:14. | |
would be 0.6% smaller and there would be less tax coming in, wiping | :05:15. | :05:16. | |
out that saving. The immediate effect of leaving the | :05:17. | :05:27. | |
EU is that we would be sending ?8 billion a year less to the rest of | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
the European Union. That would improve public finances. But more | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
likely, the economy would shrink relative to what would be the | :05:36. | :05:41. | |
likely, the economy would shrink finance hit in the short run and | :05:42. | :05:42. | |
probably be in the range of 20- ?40 finance hit in the short run and | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
billion. That money would have to be added to borrowing according | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
billion. That money would have to be IFS report, meaning there would have | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
to be a couple of years extra austerity to balance the Budget. | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
to be a couple of years extra of the relatively few economists | :05:58. | :05:59. | |
backing vote Leave attacked the report. These other studies all come | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
out with negatives and the reason is, they assume we don't go to free | :06:06. | :06:12. | |
trade after Brexit. They assume it's because some obscure reason that | :06:13. | :06:14. | |
they think the voters would put up with it. That is a political | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
judgment which is not very common to me. The damage to the public | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
finances would be far less, says the IFS, than the 2008 crisis. Whether | :06:26. | :06:32. | |
it is a price worth paying is for voters to decide. | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
A dozen former senior military officers have spoken out | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
They warn that EU law is undermining Britain's combat | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
A new group led by a former boss of Mothercare is thought to be | :06:47. | :06:59. | |
The Richess Group is being led by Greg Tufnell, | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
the brother of former England cricketer Phil Tufnell. | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
Other bidders, including the founder of Matalan, | :07:07. | :07:08. | |
are understood to have fallen out of the running. | :07:09. | :07:10. | |
Sources close to the process say that if no buyer is found by Friday, | :07:11. | :07:13. | |
BHS is likely to be liquidated, putting the retailer's 11,000 | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
Hundreds of steelworkers are expected to march | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
through central London today, to highlight the crisis facing | :07:23. | :07:24. | |
The protest comes as the future of Tata Steel's British operation | :07:25. | :07:31. | |
is discussed at the company's board meeting in Mumbai. | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
The Business Secretary and the First Minister of Wales have | :07:35. | :07:37. | |
travelled to India to hold talks with bosses. | :07:38. | :07:39. | |
In March, the company announced plans to sell | :07:40. | :07:41. | |
Marks and Spencer has reported a rise in underlying profits by 4.3% | :07:42. | :07:48. | |
The retailer has said future short-term profits will be hit | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
by a revamp of its clothing and home range where sales have fallen. | :07:55. | :08:01. | |
The new Chief Executive, Steve Rowe, said he intends to cut prices | :08:02. | :08:03. | |
Nearly three-quarters of the care homes in England rated as inadequate | :08:04. | :08:10. | |
by the Care Quality Commission, have now improved. | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
The watchdog says its tougher inspection regime is | :08:14. | :08:15. | |
Care providers warn that will only continue if funding is improved. | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
The government says its made ?3.5 billion available to councils. | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
Here's our Social Affairs Correspondent, Alison Holt. | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
Care that is kind and provides support tailored to the needs | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
of each person is at the heart of what the Care Quality Commission | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
is looking for when it inspects homes as part | :08:36. | :08:37. | |
Most homes in England are providing care rated as good. | :08:38. | :08:44. | |
The first time the CQC has analysed what happens after a home is told | :08:45. | :08:52. | |
Over 18 months, 372 homes in England were rated as inadequate. | :08:53. | :08:59. | |
When inspectors returned, three quarters had made some improvement. | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
99 were still failing and 34 had gone out of business. | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
I think these are really encouraging results, | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
they demonstrate people can make the improvements | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
But I'm not complacent and I don't think care homes should be either. | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
Care home owners welcome the results but they warn the squeeze on fees | :09:21. | :09:26. | |
paid by local authorities who buy most social care means that many | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
homes are srtuggling simply to survive. | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
We have some serious problems around the underfunding of social care | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
and I'm really concerned that we're going to see a lot of the gainss | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
in quality that have been made over the years slipping back due | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
The Government has said it is putting more money into social | :09:46. | :09:51. | |
care and the CQC maintains its findings show, | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
despite the pressure on the sector, standards are being pushed up. | :09:58. | :10:00. | |
Lord Sugar has just been appointed enterprise staff. The government | :10:01. | :10:11. | |
says it wants to get more young people to start their own business | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
and that the role will also be about encouraging businesses to take on | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
apprentices. Lord Sugar was appointed to the same role in 2009 | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
by Jie Zheng Labour leader, Gordon Brown. He left the Labour Party | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
earlier this month over what he called its negative stance on | :10:29. | :10:29. | |
business. That's a summary of the latest BBC | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
News - more at 10.30am. Victoria Valentine claimed she was | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
attacked by Bill Cosby. Do get in touch with us | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria Live | :10:44. | :10:45. | |
and if you text, you will be charged More on our top story that Russia | :10:46. | :10:55. | |
could be stripped of up to nine medals from the 2008 Beijing | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
Olympics after retest of drug samples found positive results for | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
14 of the country's athletes. A decision on whether its athletes | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
will compete in Rio this summer will be made next month. We can speak to | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
the Olympic medallist Kelly Sutherland. The committee will not | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
name these athletes and tell the samples have been checked. Do you | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
feel you have potentially missed out on a medal? I mentioned my social | :11:25. | :11:32. | |
media can yesterday that I was unsure if the athlete who finished | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
third was tested because obviously she finished fourth after the | :11:38. | :11:40. | |
original doping and I queried whether she was in doping. She has | :11:41. | :11:48. | |
not and she has had a test subsequently in 2009 and 2011. | :11:49. | :11:54. | |
Potentially, I will never get the upgrade I may deserve. | :11:55. | :12:02. | |
You kind of have two suck that up. You shouldn't but you have to. You | :12:03. | :12:13. | |
look at yourself, someone like Goldie Sayers who could potentially | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
have a bronze medal in the javelin, it is like changing because of the | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
sponsorship involved, funding, getting a medal eight years on is | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
not the same, you cannot recreate that. The four by four boys and | :12:26. | :12:33. | |
Goldie Sayers, they would have had a different level of funding, they | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
would have had sponsored deals, more kit deals, more funding going into | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
2012 because they would have been Olympic medallist going into a home | :12:43. | :12:46. | |
game will stop the Russians that had one metal and now are accused | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
potentially doping, some of them won medals in 2012. Also in 2008, | :12:53. | :13:02. | |
Collins, our sports director, he lost his job because we did not hit | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
our medal target. If we get two more medals, he would have then exceeded | :13:08. | :13:13. | |
his medal target which could have had different ramifications for him. | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
So it is not just the athletes that lose out, it is support staff and it | :13:18. | :13:23. | |
is a massive affect, a big country like Russia doping, it isn't just | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
the athletes who lose out. I spoke to Martyn Rooney last night, he was | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
on BBC Breakfast this morning and he said it is too soon for Russia to be | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
reintroduced to athletics in terms of Rio. He is set for an upgrade, is | :13:37. | :13:46. | |
that too soon? I think sadly for the country, I think they need to ensure | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
that their government in doping is correct. This is just putting | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
another nail in their coughing, I feel. It is bad for the clean | :13:56. | :14:10. | |
Russian athletes. -- coffin. I think they think, well, they are cheating, | :14:11. | :14:16. | |
we will treat. I totally agree with Martin Rooney, there's not enough | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
time for them to get their and put their house in order for the Rio | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
games. Their athletes need to be lobbying and getting angry with | :14:24. | :14:31. | |
their federation. And nobody at. They need to tell them why have you | :14:32. | :14:38. | |
allowed this to happen? I feel that is where the athletes's anger should | :14:39. | :14:40. | |
be placed. Thanks for coming on. A decision will be made as to | :14:41. | :14:52. | |
whether Russia will compete at Ryu month. We are talking more about | :14:53. | :14:55. | |
that a little later. At midnight tonight legal highs | :14:56. | :15:02. | |
will no longer be legal in the UK. The government was under pressure | :15:03. | :15:05. | |
to act after a steady stream of reports of young people addicted, | :15:06. | :15:07. | |
mentally unwell and even dying from products you could buy | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
in a high street shop. To fix this, they've brought | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
into play the Psychoactive It's a blanket ban on all legal | :15:15. | :15:16. | |
highs, which the government is defining as anything that creates | :15:17. | :15:24. | |
a psychoactive response, A lot of people, especially | :15:25. | :15:26. | |
around my age, think they don't So the easy way to go | :15:27. | :16:00. | |
about it and still get high They're there, they're | :16:01. | :16:06. | |
just so easy to buy. It is an increasing problem, | :16:07. | :16:21. | |
especially with the youth. The main problem is that | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
people really have no idea He was getting in trouble | :16:26. | :16:28. | |
with the police. He ended up in hospital, | :16:29. | :16:52. | |
two or three times. He left our home, 50 yards away | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
he could get legal highs. The main danger with nitrous | :16:57. | :17:30. | |
oxide is lack of oxygen. What that can lead to is | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
what is called hypoxaemia, It can also cause heart problems, | :17:36. | :17:37. | |
breathing problems. If you have a pre-existing heart | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
condition, In the studio with me is Jan King | :17:44. | :17:44. | |
from legal high education group 'Angelus Foundation', | :17:45. | :18:15. | |
who thinks the government As well as Steve Rolles - | :18:16. | :18:16. | |
an analyst at drug policy foundation, Transform, | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
who disagrees and thinks a ban From Newcastle, we have 23-year-old | :18:22. | :18:22. | |
Stephen Wooton who just broke an addiction to legal highs and says | :18:23. | :18:31. | |
a ban alone won't work. And lastly in Worcester, | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
Detective Chief Inspector Ally Wright who serves Warwickshire | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
Police and West Mercia Police. He's all for the ban and says | :18:40. | :18:42. | |
new police powers will make a big Jan, you think it is a good thing, | :18:43. | :18:55. | |
what difference do you think it will make? We are glad it's happened. We | :18:56. | :19:01. | |
will it will take it off the high street. We are seeing it already. | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
These things have been seen as legal and young people think they're safe, | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
they clearly aren't to getting them off the high street has to be a good | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
thing. It is not the only answer. But this is an important step in the | :19:17. | :19:22. | |
right direction. It is too much of a risk for young people and getting | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
rid of them is vital. What do you think Steve, will that transform | :19:28. | :19:30. | |
things if they're taking off the high street? It will, but we are | :19:31. | :19:40. | |
concerned it will move to criminal street dealers and unregulated | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
online sales and could make the market more dirty and dangerous than | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
it already is. Acknowledging the status quo isn't satisfactory, we | :19:53. | :19:55. | |
are concerned the solution will make things worse. And when bans have | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
been tried it doesn't seem to have been affected. The problem has not | :20:00. | :20:06. | |
reseeded. What about what it means for the market, if somebody has not | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
taken it before and it is legal and on the high street, they might take | :20:12. | :20:18. | |
it, the market would, is different if new users don't necessarily go | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
down that path, because it is not legal and on the high street? Yes, | :20:22. | :20:29. | |
high street sales of any product anyone wants to sell is not a | :20:30. | :20:35. | |
satisfactory situation. So we agree with Angelus the status quo is not | :20:36. | :20:41. | |
satisfactory, but just by saying these are bad things and we will ban | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
them is not a solution. That could make things worse and other options | :20:47. | :20:56. | |
for licensing sales of some of the lower risk, some are very risky. | :20:57. | :21:03. | |
Some are relatively benign. We could capture that market within a | :21:04. | :21:10. | |
regulatory frame work, rather than gifting it to organised crime. These | :21:11. | :21:13. | |
have been put in place to get around the law, taking them out of that | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
picture will at least start to regulate things in a much better way | :21:18. | :21:25. | |
than in the past. It is... The political landscape doesn't support | :21:26. | :21:29. | |
regulating the market. So we have to do something now. Let's talk to | :21:30. | :21:35. | |
Steven. You became addicted to legal highs in 2014. You're now off them. | :21:36. | :21:40. | |
But was the fact that they were legal a reason why you started | :21:41. | :21:44. | |
taking them? It was yes, it was just that I could get it easy when ever I | :21:45. | :21:51. | |
wanted it around the corner and it was cheap, it was too cheap. That | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
was the problem. If they hadn't been legal, would you have taken them or | :21:57. | :22:06. | |
taken anything else. If they were not legal I probably wouldn't have | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
heard of them. I lived in the town centre and the town centre was where | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
it was sold. What do you think about the ban? The ban itself it will | :22:15. | :22:20. | |
work, but they need to work more small time as well. Because I have | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
heard that possession, there is nothing that can happen, so that | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
won't stop people falling asleep in the middle of parks where kids and | :22:31. | :22:38. | |
parents walk around during the day. Do you know people who use them and | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
from midnight will be criminalised, do you think they will change their | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
behaviour? I think there is a few people that are still on them and | :22:48. | :22:54. | |
I'm trying to help them. I be But it will just make them want it more the | :22:55. | :22:59. | |
ban. It will be the police's job to police this new law, how easy will | :23:00. | :23:08. | |
that be? I think just a couple of points, I think Steve was referring | :23:09. | :23:21. | |
to the substances that are are more benign, when people buy these things | :23:22. | :23:28. | |
they have no idea of chemical come position and don't know the harm | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
that can be caused. That is why through time we have established | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
that there is significant harm caused and in some cases people have | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
died. You showed the trauma caused in one family as a result of people | :23:43. | :23:50. | |
taking it. You listen to another ex-addict, so it is wrong to say | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
that some are safer than others. We just don't know when we buy them | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
what they are. In terms of the police role and now they are | :24:00. | :24:06. | |
illegal, do you really believe there will be prosecutions arising from | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
the new law? OK, what we have done in the build up to the law coming in | :24:11. | :24:17. | |
to force tomorrow, we know that high street head shops are the venues | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
where people buy them. Or on the internet. That is another main | :24:22. | :24:28. | |
supply chain for them. This law is about choking that supply chain, so | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
we have approached all the head shops in our area and advised them | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
of the new law. That is straight forward and that is obvious. That is | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
on the high street. What about if it carries on and it is underground in | :24:43. | :24:46. | |
the same way as other drugs are, do you expect that the police, that the | :24:47. | :24:54. | |
new law will lead to prosecutions. I look at it differently, it is easy I | :24:55. | :25:00. | |
to judge the police on binary statistics in terms of prosecution, | :25:01. | :25:03. | |
for me it is about the reduction in harm that will be caused by cutting | :25:04. | :25:09. | |
that supply chain. If we reduce the numbers of people addicted or even | :25:10. | :25:15. | |
die as a result of taking these drugs, then I think a society and | :25:16. | :25:18. | |
for the police we have done a good job. It sounds more like the message | :25:19. | :25:28. | |
of the them being illegal having an impact, rather than the police | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
having the resources to pursue the new law. No I don't accept that. | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
Sorry, will the police use their resources to pursue this law? Yes. | :25:39. | :25:48. | |
We will adopt a practical and proportionate response to any | :25:49. | :25:51. | |
instance where people are selling, producing or supplying any of these | :25:52. | :25:57. | |
stub -- substances, because we know the law is here. Practical and | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
proportionate, that is a matter of perspective. In the list of | :26:03. | :26:08. | |
priorities when police have finite resources and you're dealing with | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
other issues that have been there, this is an extra thing on your | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
plate, where will it rank on the list of priorities. We know these | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
substances do cause deaths and therefore it will be given the | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
appropriate priority within the police and if we receive information | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
that people are selling it or dealing it, we will act upon it. | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
What do you think about that, Jan zm? I am I am sure it will be a | :26:39. | :26:45. | |
difficult challenge for the police and it is good to hear how they're | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
responding. Would you want the police to make it a priority. It | :26:50. | :26:56. | |
must be, but it is important it is not just about the law and what the | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
police do, it is about what young people know about the subject that | :27:01. | :27:03. | |
they know it is a risk and they hear that and that has not been the case, | :27:04. | :27:12. | |
the Government haven't prioritised it as an education message there. | :27:13. | :27:15. | |
Needs to be more to get the message so young people know, because the | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
clock isn't going to go back to what it was before. It will continue to | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
change. That is our concern to make sure we stay ahead of what is | :27:24. | :27:28. | |
happening and keep equipping young people with the ability to take the | :27:29. | :27:35. | |
appropriate risks. You said, we are out of time, you said elsewhere | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
where the laws have come in the issues has got worse. So perhaps we | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
will talk to you again when the law has had some time to run. | :27:46. | :27:58. | |
As the migrant crisis in Europe intensified, | :27:59. | :28:00. | |
much of the attention was on the plight of | :28:01. | :28:02. | |
It's thought up to ten thousand have gone missing - | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
with many falling into the hands of gangs and people smugglers. | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
Hundreds also ended up at the Calais camp known as "The Jungle" - | :28:09. | :28:11. | |
living in tents for months on end - risking their lives on lorries | :28:12. | :28:14. | |
One of those stuck there is a 16-year-old from Syria - | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
He didn't just tell us his story - he drew it. | :28:20. | :28:23. | |
It's 10.31am with the news. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom. | :28:24. | :31:27. | |
A vote to leave the European Union would hurt the public finances - | :31:28. | :31:30. | |
and potentially add up to two years to the government's austerity | :31:31. | :31:33. | |
programme according to a new report from the Institute for Fiscal | :31:34. | :31:35. | |
The research organisation says that leaving the EU could mean lower | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
economic growth and a drop in tax receipts. | :31:42. | :31:44. | |
Leave campaigners say a vote for Brexit could offer | :31:45. | :31:46. | |
trade opportunities, but the IFS says any potential | :31:47. | :31:49. | |
The Prime Minister says there are and encouraging number of offers for | :31:50. | :32:06. | |
Tata Steel UK. The protest comes as the future of Tata Steel's British | :32:07. | :32:10. | |
operation is discussed at the company's board meeting in Mumbai. | :32:11. | :32:15. | |
The government says it is doing everything it can to secure a | :32:16. | :32:17. | |
successful sale of the business. A new group led by a former boss | :32:18. | :32:20. | |
of Mothercare is thought to be The Richess Group is being | :32:21. | :32:23. | |
led by Greg Tufnell, the brother of former England | :32:24. | :32:27. | |
cricketer Phil Tufnell. Other bidders, including | :32:28. | :32:29. | |
the founder of Matalan, are understood to have fallen out | :32:30. | :32:31. | |
of the running. Sources close to the process say | :32:32. | :32:33. | |
that if no buyer is found by Friday, thousand staff out of work. | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
putting the retailer's 11 The retailer has said future short | :32:38. | :32:47. | |
term profits will be hit by a revamp of its clothing and home range | :32:48. | :32:53. | |
where sales have fallen. The new chief executive, Steve Rowe, | :32:54. | :32:55. | |
said he intends to cut prices There has been a sharp drop | :32:56. | :32:58. | |
in antibiotics being prescribed NHS figures for the year | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
to May show there were 2.6 million fewer prescriptions | :33:05. | :33:10. | |
than in the previous 12 months. Last week a major review | :33:11. | :33:13. | |
of antibiotic resistance warned that by 2050 superbugs | :33:14. | :33:15. | |
could kill one person every three seconds worldwide | :33:16. | :33:18. | |
unless action was taken. That's a summary of the latest news, | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
join me for BBC Newsroom Let's catch up with the sport. | :33:24. | :33:37. | |
Russia could be stripped of up to nine medals from the 2008 Beijing | :33:38. | :33:42. | |
Olympics after retest of drug samples found positive results for | :33:43. | :33:48. | |
14 of the country's athletes. Russia is currently banned from | :33:49. | :33:50. | |
international athletics competitions. The decision | :33:51. | :33:52. | |
international athletics whether it's athlete can compete in | :33:53. | :33:53. | |
Rio whether it's athlete can compete in | :33:54. | :33:56. | |
Murray is back in action whether it's athlete can compete in | :33:57. | :34:02. | |
taking on the wild card Matias Borg. He fought back from two sets down to | :34:03. | :34:06. | |
beat the oldest man in the draw, Radek Stepanek. Kyle Edmund and | :34:07. | :34:12. | |
Heather Watson both play today. Jose Mourinho's representatives will | :34:13. | :34:18. | |
continue talks with Manchester United officials today. He is | :34:19. | :34:21. | |
expected to be the manager by the end of the week. Scotland's Kim | :34:22. | :34:29. | |
Liddle has been voted the BBC's women's Footballer of the Year. She | :34:30. | :34:37. | |
dropped the supporters polled become the second winner of the BBC World | :34:38. | :34:39. | |
Service award. He was once one of the biggest stars | :34:40. | :34:48. | |
of US television but the actor The performer, who starred | :34:49. | :34:55. | |
and sexually assaulted a woman The District Attorney | :34:56. | :35:03. | |
is Kevin Steele. We are here because we want to serve | :35:04. | :35:24. | |
the truth and seek justice. The evidence in this case is of a | :35:25. | :35:29. | |
limited basis, a preliminary hearing is a situation where we only have to | :35:30. | :35:34. | |
show that if a crime is committed and a defendant is connected to the | :35:35. | :35:39. | |
crime... We did that was the victim statement and defendant's admissions | :35:40. | :35:45. | |
to much of the crime. Consequently, we will move forward on the case and | :35:46. | :35:48. | |
look forward to getting a trial date. | :35:49. | :35:51. | |
Well one of his alleged victims is Victoria Valentino. | :35:52. | :35:54. | |
Now in her 70s, she told me how she first met Bill Cosby after one | :35:55. | :35:59. | |
of her girlfriends had told her that she could get a job | :36:00. | :36:02. | |
Cosby has denied he sexually assaulted any women. The Tory talks | :36:03. | :36:15. | |
about what happens to her. -- Victoria. | :36:16. | :36:16. | |
You may find some of her story upsetting. | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
I went and interviewed with him in his trailer and she said, take that | :36:21. | :36:30. | |
picture of Tony, my little boy. We were sitting across from him and it | :36:31. | :36:37. | |
was like, it was like talking to a cardboard cutout. It started to | :36:38. | :36:43. | |
become very uncomfortable and it was clear I wasn't going to get an | :36:44. | :36:46. | |
audition. The interview was basically over. So I got up and | :36:47. | :36:52. | |
left, never expecting to see him again or expecting to get a call for | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
an audition. I walked away from it and moved on. You did meet him | :36:58. | :37:06. | |
again? What happened after that? My grandmother died shortly thereafter | :37:07. | :37:13. | |
and I moved into her house in West Hollywood with three roommates. One | :37:14. | :37:20. | |
of them was an actress and she liked to go over to cafe Figaro. He said | :37:21. | :37:30. | |
to her, I think, Vicky, they called me then, he said I think the key | :37:31. | :37:34. | |
would benefit from a massage and going to the steam bath and B treat | :37:35. | :37:42. | |
you girls. He said, why don't you take her and when you are done, give | :37:43. | :37:46. | |
me a call and I will take you girls out to dinner. He said I think it | :37:47. | :37:55. | |
will make Vicky feel better. So that's what we did. We went home to | :37:56. | :38:01. | |
my grandmother's has where we were living and my girlfriend, roommate | :38:02. | :38:07. | |
called him. He sent a car for us and we were delivered to a restaurant on | :38:08. | :38:11. | |
the Sunset strip and he met hers in the parking lot and took us down to | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
the Dilla, to have dinner with him. It was in a unkept kind of setting. | :38:17. | :38:28. | |
-- banquette kind of setting. My friend was in the middle. It was | :38:29. | :38:34. | |
clear at that point that he was interested in her and he was | :38:35. | :38:40. | |
charming her and chatting her up and telling silly jokes. It became very | :38:41. | :38:47. | |
clear I was just the fifth wheel. He was interested in her and I was the | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
excuse. It was just obvious. He was not really talking to me and I | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
became sort of a wet blanket. He reached over and put a pill down | :38:57. | :39:03. | |
next to my wine glass and next to hers and told us to take it, he said | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
it would make us feel better. I was feeling like, I was dragging | :39:09. | :39:15. | |
everybody down so I took the pill, thinking, you know, maybe I will | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
feel better. I was desperate to feel better. I was really despondent. Do | :39:21. | :39:28. | |
you know what the pill was? No. How did it make you feel? I started to | :39:29. | :39:33. | |
get very groggy and I started to feel nauseated. I started feeling | :39:34. | :39:39. | |
like I was spinning, my head was spinning and I couldn't keep my face | :39:40. | :39:47. | |
out of my plate. I started to say, I really want to go home. He reached | :39:48. | :39:52. | |
across and put another pill in my mouth and hers and he appeared to be | :39:53. | :40:03. | |
also taking a pill himself. Whether or not that actually occurred, I | :40:04. | :40:06. | |
don't remember. I don't know. Maybe he was making it seem as though it | :40:07. | :40:13. | |
was a group... A party or something. I don't know. But anyway, she and I | :40:14. | :40:21. | |
were both getting our heads... We could not keep our heads up. We were | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
trying to talk and not making any sense and slurring our words. He | :40:27. | :40:34. | |
said, I will take you home. All of a sudden, the car stopped and we were | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
in front of a little town house. He said he wanted to show her his | :40:40. | :40:48. | |
awards from I Spy, so I think we went on the second floor and it was | :40:49. | :40:55. | |
clearly not working office. It was a room with two love seats and a | :40:56. | :41:02. | |
little writing desk and an old, fake... One of those fake antique | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
telephones and a little desk lamp. She went straight over to one love | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
seat and sat down and then just keeled over. I sat on the other, | :41:13. | :41:19. | |
right in front of the front door. I put my head back and tried to keep | :41:20. | :41:24. | |
myself from passing out, throwing up. Trying to control the spinning | :41:25. | :41:31. | |
in my head. Then everything got very silent and I started becoming | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
alarmed. I thought maybe somehow I had passed out. So I opened my eyes | :41:36. | :41:43. | |
and looked around and he was sitting next to her unconscious body and | :41:44. | :41:51. | |
looking down at her, like a hawk, looking at a little Max. It became | :41:52. | :41:58. | |
very obvious what he was planning. It was Terry clear and then, he | :41:59. | :42:06. | |
started having a bulge in his pants and that was obvious and I was | :42:07. | :42:12. | |
reaching out and trying, garbling my words but trying to distract him. He | :42:13. | :42:19. | |
ignored me. He got very irritated and he got up and came over to me | :42:20. | :42:27. | |
and I stood up and had to steady myself and the next thing I knew, | :42:28. | :42:34. | |
and I stood up and had to steady had raped me, orally and vaginally | :42:35. | :42:44. | |
and then he left. As he was going out of the door, I said, how are we | :42:45. | :42:50. | |
going to get home? And he said, call the camp. The scene you are | :42:51. | :43:01. | |
describing, he was very famous, he would have attracted attention. It | :43:02. | :43:06. | |
took you obviously, over the years, until almost being in your 70s to | :43:07. | :43:13. | |
start talking about this publicly. How did you feel when you looked at | :43:14. | :43:17. | |
him and you knew something about him that you didn't think anybody else | :43:18. | :43:21. | |
knew? I'd use to make a lot of sarcastic | :43:22. | :43:28. | |
knew? I'd use to make a lot of television mentioned him or if his | :43:29. | :43:29. | |
image crossed the screen, I would get up and leave the room or turn it | :43:30. | :43:36. | |
off. He is 78 now and facing legal proceedings. We saw him being led | :43:37. | :43:45. | |
into court by his spokesman, leaning on his spokesman. He has problems | :43:46. | :43:47. | |
with his site. An old man. on his spokesman. He has problems | :43:48. | :43:54. | |
look at him in that situation, going into court to face trial, how do you | :43:55. | :44:01. | |
feel now? I think he is pathetic and I think he is the terrific actor. | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
feel now? I think he is pathetic and was only up until | :44:07. | :44:12. | |
feel now? I think he is pathetic and ago, he did | :44:13. | :44:14. | |
feel now? I think he is pathetic and over the country. He is not as | :44:15. | :44:23. | |
feeble as he pretends to be. Do you wish you had raised a complaint | :44:24. | :44:32. | |
sooner? I don't know. What I do know is that for many years, most of us | :44:33. | :44:42. | |
thought we were the only one and we didn't realise that we had been | :44:43. | :44:45. | |
victimised by a serial predator. That was Victoria Valentino talking | :44:46. | :44:56. | |
to me earlier. She was out of time for those allocations to be pursued | :44:57. | :45:01. | |
but Bill Cosby will face a criminal trial, facing three counts of | :45:02. | :45:08. | |
felony, indecent assault from a case in 2004. He denies the allegations. | :45:09. | :45:14. | |
Could Russian athletes be banned from this year's Rio Olympics? | :45:15. | :45:16. | |
That's the question on the lips of many after it was revealed that | :45:17. | :45:19. | |
14 out of the 31 athletes who had samples from the 2008 | :45:20. | :45:22. | |
Beijing Olympics re-tested are Russian. | :45:23. | :45:23. | |
The International Olympic Committee had earlier said it was looking | :45:24. | :45:26. | |
Earlier this month a whistleblower alleged Russian Secret Agents helped | :45:27. | :45:30. | |
protect some athletes at the 2104 Sochi Olympics. | :45:31. | :45:34. | |
The world Anti-Doping Agency is now investigating those claims. | :45:35. | :45:40. | |
The BBC's Sports Editor, Dan Roan has been to Moscow to find out more. | :45:41. | :45:44. | |
This week's Modern Pentathlon World Championships, in Moscow, | :45:45. | :45:49. | |
just one of the many global events Russia plays host to. | :45:50. | :45:55. | |
But the action takes place against a backdrop | :45:56. | :45:57. | |
Today, it was revealed that 14 of 31 athletes from the 2008 Olympics | :45:58. | :46:03. | |
who failed recent retests of their doping samples | :46:04. | :46:08. | |
were Russians - London 2012 gold medallist | :46:09. | :46:10. | |
This afternoon, during rare behind-the-scenes access granted | :46:11. | :46:15. | |
to us by the Russian authorities, the Sports Minister tried | :46:16. | :46:17. | |
Almost half of the 31 being Russians, not good at all? | :46:18. | :46:27. | |
TRANSLATION: Certainly, it doesn't look good. | :46:28. | :46:29. | |
But take into account the fact that the Russian national team | :46:30. | :46:32. | |
is the second-biggest after the USA, and represented by many leaders | :46:33. | :46:35. | |
So this doesn't give an objective picture of the doping | :46:36. | :46:39. | |
In 2014, a German documentary alleged that 99% of Russian | :46:40. | :46:44. | |
An independent commission, finding the country guilty | :46:45. | :46:50. | |
In November, Russia's athletes were banned | :46:51. | :46:57. | |
Tonight, our sport finds itself in a shameful situation. | :46:58. | :47:03. | |
But the crisis has now deepened - a former drugs testing chief | :47:04. | :47:05. | |
claiming he ran a doping conspiracy at the Sochi Winter Games in 2014. | :47:06. | :47:11. | |
This anonymous looking building is Moscow's | :47:12. | :47:12. | |
1400 samples were allegedly destroyed here to cover up doping. | :47:13. | :47:20. | |
Its licence has been revoked, but allowing us in here | :47:21. | :47:23. | |
is all designed to show that Russia is cleaning up its act. | :47:24. | :47:29. | |
So, this is it, the place where it all happened. | :47:30. | :47:31. | |
This lab, the epicentre of what is alleged to have | :47:32. | :47:34. | |
been a state-sponsored and sophisticated doping programme. | :47:35. | :47:38. | |
With a decision on Russia's participation in Rio looming | :47:39. | :47:44. | |
and less than a month away, every fresh claim of wrongdoing | :47:45. | :47:47. | |
makes a humiliating exclusion from sport's flagship | :47:48. | :47:48. | |
You can see from our statistics that we had 150-200 | :47:49. | :47:55. | |
So, of course, the number is quite big. | :47:56. | :48:02. | |
So I think we needed changes and we are open | :48:03. | :48:04. | |
It's wrong to have drug cheats anywhere near the Olympics. | :48:05. | :48:12. | |
If the way to stamp it out and stop it is to, this year, | :48:13. | :48:16. | |
remove a country that has been proven to be doing what they have | :48:17. | :48:19. | |
been doing, in my opinion, that's the right way to go about it. | :48:20. | :48:22. | |
But one of the country's most celebrated athlete says that Russia | :48:23. | :48:24. | |
Speaking from her home in Volgograd, pole vaulter Yelena Isinbayeva | :48:25. | :48:30. | |
told me a ban would be a violation of her human rights. | :48:31. | :48:34. | |
I feel very sad, disappointed and, of course, very angry. | :48:35. | :48:38. | |
Because all that is going on now, it's unfair. | :48:39. | :48:42. | |
My opinion is that it's totally unfair. | :48:43. | :48:45. | |
Russia says it will criminalise doping, but with the results dueof | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
more retests of samples taken from London 2012, the country | :48:51. | :48:53. | |
could well lose more medals and any remaining chance its athletes have | :48:54. | :48:56. | |
of competing on sport's grandest stage. | :48:57. | :49:01. | |
Let's speak now to Dr Tom Bassindale who is an anti-doping scientist | :49:02. | :49:04. | |
He is in our Sheffield studio and in Berlin we have Hajo Seppelt, | :49:05. | :49:11. | |
who is the man behind "The Doping Secret: | :49:12. | :49:13. | |
He also made 'Doping - Top Secret: The Shadowy | :49:14. | :49:16. | |
What's your reaction to the news that 14 athletes are Russian? | :49:17. | :49:36. | |
Well the evidence is overwhelming that we have a state-sponsored | :49:37. | :49:43. | |
system in Russia maybe since decades going on. The Russians have cheated | :49:44. | :49:53. | |
and betrayed sport. From my point of view it is not unfair to exclude the | :49:54. | :49:59. | |
Russians. I think it would be unfair to let them allow to compete. | :50:00. | :50:04. | |
Because we are talking about a drug system, a doping system for years | :50:05. | :50:09. | |
and many athletes have suffered from it in other countries and I think it | :50:10. | :50:13. | |
would be fair now to exclude the Russians and to say very clearly | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
that a state-run system means we cannot trust that athletes from this | :50:19. | :50:23. | |
country are clean and so they have to be excluded. That is my opinion. | :50:24. | :50:29. | |
If it is state -run as you talk about, are the numbers we are hear | :50:30. | :50:35. | |
about quite small in terms of what you believe the picture to be? The | :50:36. | :50:41. | |
picture is much bigger and we have documented that in our films and | :50:42. | :50:46. | |
German television and we can talk about widespread doping and it is | :50:47. | :50:52. | |
not only with athletics, but other sports and the famous whistle blower | :50:53. | :51:01. | |
offered his video recordings for television in 2014. He was working | :51:02. | :51:05. | |
for the Russian anti-doping agency and the name of the agency and it | :51:06. | :51:13. | |
was not only responsible for athletics, but for all sports in | :51:14. | :51:15. | |
Russia. He could report us and he athletics, but for all sports in | :51:16. | :51:24. | |
up of doping, the doping itself, was more or less... Supported by some | :51:25. | :51:30. | |
officials. We lost you for a moment. I'm going to bring in Tom. I think | :51:31. | :51:34. | |
we have a couple of problems on your line. Is this unfairly tarnishing | :51:35. | :51:42. | |
all Russian athletes? Well the evidence that was provided by the | :51:43. | :51:52. | |
Stepanovs showed mass Corr cover up of the doping offences, the clip you | :51:53. | :52:01. | |
played some 14 hundred samples were destroyed rather than analysed. So | :52:02. | :52:06. | |
it shows a widespread use of doping. They have the highest number of | :52:07. | :52:11. | |
athletes serving doping bans out of all of the international athletes | :52:12. | :52:17. | |
currently. And you know this is 10 from the 2008 games additional | :52:18. | :52:19. | |
tested positive. The results of 2012 retests are coming shortly as well. | :52:20. | :52:27. | |
So it doesn't appear to be that unfair to suggest there is | :52:28. | :52:31. | |
widespread doping. So do you think that there should be a Russian team | :52:32. | :52:38. | |
at Rio? Well it is hard to imagine what more they need to do wrong | :52:39. | :52:42. | |
before they're excluded from the games. After years of covers up and | :52:43. | :52:49. | |
the laboratories not analysing the samples, or destroying them that we | :52:50. | :52:55. | |
have heard about repeatedly and the tests being covered up, it is hard | :52:56. | :53:00. | |
to see what more they need to do before they're not allowed to | :53:01. | :53:05. | |
compete. Are things changing in Russia now a light has been shone? I | :53:06. | :53:11. | |
don't think that big things have changed. They try their best some of | :53:12. | :53:16. | |
them, some top officials, because they realise more and more that it | :53:17. | :53:21. | |
will be a very hard decision. Maybe not in favour of the Russians. So | :53:22. | :53:26. | |
they do their best what they can do to improve the situation. The | :53:27. | :53:35. | |
decision that Russian ex-dopers will not be allowed to compete at Rio | :53:36. | :53:41. | |
shows they want to solve the problem, at least some of them. But | :53:42. | :53:46. | |
we don't talk about top officials, we talk about the whole country. It | :53:47. | :53:48. | |
is the biggest country in the we talk about the whole country. It | :53:49. | :53:53. | |
There is 10,000 athletes. We talk about a culture and a tradition of | :53:54. | :53:59. | |
doping in that country for decades. To change that within a few months | :54:00. | :54:04. | |
is impossible. I can tell you that, because I'm coming from Germany and | :54:05. | :54:10. | |
in Germany we had a state-run system in east Germany in the 70s and 80s. | :54:11. | :54:22. | |
It was a Prussian way and worked very well and it was maybe even | :54:23. | :54:27. | |
worse than the Russian system which we experienced F you would have been | :54:28. | :54:33. | |
aware in the 70s and 80s that the east Germans did it in this way, | :54:34. | :54:38. | |
they should have been excluded also. I don't see any difference. Thank | :54:39. | :54:40. | |
you very much for joining us. Have you decided how you're | :54:41. | :54:45. | |
going to vote in the EU referendum? Well if you're still not sure | :54:46. | :54:48. | |
whether to vote in or out - come along and take part in one | :54:49. | :54:51. | |
of our big TV audience debates On 6th June we're in Manchester - | :54:52. | :54:54. | |
that's just over a fortnight It's open to everyone's eligible | :54:55. | :54:58. | |
to vote in the referendum and will take place in our normal | :54:59. | :55:01. | |
airtime between 9am and 11 am. If you want to take part and can get | :55:02. | :55:04. | |
to Manchester from wherever you are in the UK do | :55:05. | :55:08. | |
email [email protected] to have your chance to quiz | :55:09. | :55:10. | |
and listen to senior politicians Watch out - there's a robot | :55:11. | :55:12. | |
about to take your - There have been repeated warnings | :55:13. | :55:19. | |
that technology could soon result in mass job-losses | :55:20. | :55:24. | |
across the world's economy. But at the Innorobo exhibition | :55:25. | :55:27. | |
in Paris this week, the focus is on so-called "Cobots" - | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
who are altogether less threatening. Our technology guru | :55:32. | :55:34. | |
Rory Cellan-Jones is there. Tell us what they are then Rory. | :55:35. | :55:47. | |
Well, all sorts of robots here doing all sorts of things, but kind | :55:48. | :55:52. | |
friendly things like there is up with being an estate agent. He runs | :55:53. | :55:58. | |
this robot. Minimum amount I want to spend 50,000. You are looking to | :55:59. | :56:05. | |
spend. I want to spend a million. Which area are you looking for a | :56:06. | :56:12. | |
property. Reading. Nice. How many kilometres would you be willing to | :56:13. | :56:16. | |
live from the centre? 25. Sounds good. Thank you. If you give me a | :56:17. | :56:21. | |
moment I will show you the properties that match your criteria. | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
She is going to show me a lot of properties. Why do we want to | :56:27. | :56:34. | |
interact with a robot estate agent? This gives us an alternative method | :56:35. | :56:40. | |
of helping a customer if a human assistant is not available. Are they | :56:41. | :56:45. | |
friendly. I believe they're very friendly. I think people will enjoy | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
interacting with them. This robot is Pepper. Julian, this is already in | :56:51. | :56:58. | |
Japan, what is it going do, where will we see it. You will see Pepper | :56:59. | :57:05. | |
in all customer locations, shops, transport, tourism, agent | :57:06. | :57:08. | |
circumstances hotels, many locations in which Pepper can give information | :57:09. | :57:11. | |
to customers or get information from them. What we are providing to | :57:12. | :57:16. | |
physical locations is to way to compete with the internet. Pepper | :57:17. | :57:22. | |
can deliver accurate information and collect a lot of information from | :57:23. | :57:28. | |
you. And better adapt the customer journey and promote the right | :57:29. | :57:33. | |
product. It is great in Japan, are we in Europe a bit suspicious of | :57:34. | :57:37. | |
them. We are frightened of these thing and think they might take our | :57:38. | :57:42. | |
jobs. People are not suspicious. What Pepper is doing is | :57:43. | :57:46. | |
complementary so what people are doing actually. Pepper is not taking | :57:47. | :57:52. | |
anybody's job. Pepper is doing repetitive things like greeting | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
people in a store and doing always the same thing. OK. So that is | :57:57. | :58:03. | |
Pepper. She can dance too. I won't dance with her. She is not a bad | :58:04. | :58:05. | |
dancer though. Thank you very much. | :58:06. | :58:13. |