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A crisis facing our steel industry: hundreds of steelworkers march

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on London as the Business Secretary arrives in Mumbai to press

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They moved to Scotland from Australia five years ago.

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Now they face deportation in six days time.

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We'll talk to the Brain family about why they think

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He was once one of the biggest stars on US television but now Bill Cosby

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He denies any wrongdoing but one alleged victim

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Many years, most of us thought we were the only one. And we didn't

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realise that we had been victimised by a serial predator.

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Our top story today, a vote to leave the European Union

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would hurt the public finances and potentially add up to two

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years to the Government's austerity programme.

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That's according to a new report from the Institute

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The research organisation says that leaving the EU could mean lower

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economic growth and a drop in tax receipts and this would wipe out

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But Leave campaigners say a vote for Brexit could offer

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Our Economics Correspondent, Andy Verity, reports.

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Less than a month away from the referendum,

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what is the economic case for leaving the European Union?

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The Leave campaign points to savings of ?350 million a week

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The independent Institute for Fiscal Studies says that's wrong.

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If you account for rebates and subsidies to UK farmers,

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That adds up to ?8 billion a year, which may seem like a large sum,

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but if Brexit caused the economy to be just 0.6% smaller four years

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from now, there would be less tax coming in, wiping out that saving.

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And most forecasts predict the damage to the economy

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at least three times as big - 2% to 4%.

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The immediate effect of leaving the EU is that we would be sending

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?8 billion a year less to the rest of the European Union.

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That would improve the public finances, but more likely than not,

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the economy would shrink relative to what it would otherwise would be

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and the public finance hit in the short run in the next four

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or five years would be in the range to ?20 billion to ?40 billion.

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That's money that would have to be added to borrowing,

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according to the IFS report, meaning there would have to be one

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or two extra years of austerity to balance the budget.

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One of the relatively few economists backing Vote leave

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We come out with a positive, these other studies all come

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The reason is that they assume we don't go to free trade

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after Brexit, we keep being protectionist and they assume

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it because some obscure reason that they think that voters wouldn't

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That's a political judgement which is not for economists to make.

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The damage to the public finances would probably be far less,

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It is even less than has been caused by the Government's

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Whether it's a price worth paying is for voters to decide.

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Let's get more from our Political Guru, Norman Smith.

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Norman, what does this mean for the Brexit camp? This is a pretty

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bruising blow, I think, for the Brexit camp, not because of what the

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institute is saying about the consequences of Brexit in terms of

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maybe two years more austerity, but because it is the Institute for

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Fiscal Studies who are saying it. They matter in a way no other

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economic forecaster matters. Their reports are the Holy Grail of

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economic forecasting. They are the people we turn to when we're looking

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for someone to analyse the Government's budget. It is

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frequently very, very critical of the Government. So when they say

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there would be a hit from Brexit, it really matters and I suspect that

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the Leave campaign may have scored a bit of an own-goal because this

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morning they've launched a scathing attack on the institute suggesting

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that they are prop beganists for the European Commission because they

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receive grants from the European Commission and they say if we pulled

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out of the EU well, the institute would be short of about ?800,000. I

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think the danger is that risks backfiring because certainly at

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Westminster the Institute for Fiscal Studies are viewed as the ultimate

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economic forecaster. What they say really matters.

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Thank you, Norman. Norman will be back with us later

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to help us make sense of some of the arguments around sovereignty

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ahead of the referendum vote in just Annita is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary Hundreds of steelworkers

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are expected to march through Central London today,

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to highlight the crisis facing The protest comes as the future

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of Tata Steel's British operation is discussed at the company's

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board meeting in Mumbai. The Business Secretary

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and the First Minister of Wales have travelled to India to hold

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talks with bosses. In March, the company

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announced plans to sell We will be talking to steel workers

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taking part in the march and a representative from UK steel in 15

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minutes time. A new group led by a former boss

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of Mothercare is thought to be The Richess Group is being

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led by Greg Tufnell, the brother of former England

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cricketer Phil Tufnell. Other bidders including

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the founder of Matalan, are understood to have fallen out

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of the running. Sources close to the process say

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that if no buyer is found by Friday, BHS is likely to be liquidated,

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putting the retailer's Profit for the past year

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at Marks and Spencer has The retailer says that future

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profits will be hit. The new Chief Executive said he intends to cut

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prices and put more staff in stores. The high street has become more

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competitive and the market Consumer confidence is down a margin

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over the past few months. I believe we are putting in place

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a series of plans that will recover The story of M is one of self-help

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and that's what the team The Italian coastguard says it

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rescued 3,000 people yesterday as they tried to cross to Europe

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from North Africa. The migrants were plucked from small

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boats off the coast of Libya, in 23 separate operations,

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involving every multi-national More than 2,500 were

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rescued the day before. Nearly three-quarters of the care

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homes in England rated as inadequate by the Care Quality Commission,

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have now improved. The watchdog says its tougher

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inspection regime is Care providers warn that will only

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continue if funding is improved. The Government says it

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has made ?3.5 billion Here's our Social Affairs

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Correspondent, Alison Holt. Care that is kind and provides

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support, tailored to the needs of each person is at the heart

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of the what the Care Quality Commission is looking for when it

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inspects homes as part Most homes in England

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are providing care rated as good, The first time the CQC has analysed

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what happens after a home is told Over 18 months, 372 homes in England

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were rated as inadequate. When inspectors returned

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three-quarters had 99 were still failing and 34 had

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gone out of business. I think that these are really

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encouraging results. They demonstrate that people can

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make the improvements that we're requiring,

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but I'm not complacent and I don't think care homes should

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be complacent either. Care home owners welcome

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the results, but warn that the squeeze on fees paid

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by local authorities who buy most social care means that many homes

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are struggling simply to survive. and I'm really concerned

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that we are going to see a lot The Government has said

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it is putting more money into social care and the CQC

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maintains its findings show despite the pressure on the sector,

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standards are being pushed up. There's been a sharp drop

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in antibiotics being prescribed NHS figures for the year

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to May show there were 2.6 million fewer prescriptions

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than in the previous 12 months. warned that, by 2050,

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superbugs could kill one person every three seconds worldwide

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unless action was taken. Actor and comedian Bill Cosby is to

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stand trial in the United States over allegations that he drugged

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and sexually assaulted More than 50 women have publicly

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accused Mr Cosby of Afternoon an alleged perpetrator

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does not give a statement to the police. He did. And now he is going

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to have to deal with his own words which, it was indicated from

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testimony that he signed his statement.

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And we will be talking to one of Bill Cosby's alleged

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Russian media are reporting the country's athletes could be

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stripped of up to nine medals from the Beijing Olympics,

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after 14 people were found to have cheated at the 2008 games.

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The International Olympic Committee said re-tests of samples were found

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It could mean British athletes are awarded medals retrospectively.

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Russia is currently banned from international athletic

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competitions and a decision on its Rio Games place will be

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Now, we've tended to see robots as a bit of a threat particularly

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to jobs as they become capable of more and more tasks.

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But at Europe's biggest robotics event all the talk

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The idea is that collaborative robots will work with humans

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Our technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones reports from Paris.

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In Paris this week, you can meet all kinds of robots.

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This one is more practical, cleaning your barbecue grill.

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And this Russian robot can recognise you and have a slightly

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Do you like a bottle of wine of an evening,

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For decades, industrial robots have been doing all kinds

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of repetitive tasks, and they're getting better at them.

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Robots have, of course, been in factories for years.

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But they are locked away, seen as dangerous, a threat

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The new emphasis here, though, is on collaborative robots,

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ones you can work alongside and see almost as a workmate -

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They're out of cages and they are here to help

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As well as collaborative robots, there are devices to

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Wearing this, a road repair worker becomes Iron Man.

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The other big idea is that friendly robots could perform

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all sorts of service jobs, from giving train information

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to teaching fitness routines to elderly people.

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Paris is nice around this time of year.

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Pepper, already on sale in Japan, is coming to Europe,

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where a range of companies believe the public want to

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You're not talking to a simple, stupid machine, you're talking

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The robots are getting ever better at learning human tasks,

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but the people building them say we've got to start seeing them

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

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Do get in touch with us throughout the morning.

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Use the hashtag Victoria live and If you text, you will be charged

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Russian media are reporting their country's athletes could be

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stripped of up to nine medals from the 2008 Beijing Olympics,

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that's after retests of drugs samples found positive results

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Russia is currently banned from international athletic

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competitions, a decision on whether its athletes can

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participate at the Rio Games this summer will be made next month.

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One British competitor from the Beijing Olympics says

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the sport's authorities should be praised for the actions

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There have been some brave people, some whistleblowers

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who started the ball rolling and some great journalists.

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People like the IOC and IAAF and WADA have got their act

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into gear and it's brilliant they have gone back

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If I come back with a medal I will be very thankful for it.

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Andy Murray is back in action today at the French Open tennis,

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taking on Mathias Bourgue in the second round.

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The world number two had a real battle to get

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through his opening match, coming back from two sets down

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to beat the oldest man in the draw, 37-year-old Radek Stepanek.

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Murray going through in five sets to set up a tie

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It wasn't a brilliant day for the British women.

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Johanna Konta is out of the tournament after

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a straight sets defeat against Germany's Yulia Goerges.

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Laura Robson also knocked out, losing to 2014

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Heather Watson is first up against Svetlana Kuznetsova.

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Jose Mourinho's representatives will continue talks with

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The former Chelsea boss is expected to be confirmed as the next United

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His agent Jorge Mendes met with the club's

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Executive Vice Chairman Ed Woodward yesterday following Louis Van Gaal's

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Striker Zlatan Ibrahimovic is widely anticipated to be

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Meanwhile former Chelsea boss Carlo Ancelotti says it will be good

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to have the Special One back in the Premier League.

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Everyone knows him, he knows really well the Premier League.

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I think it would be a fantastic signing for Manchester United

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to improve and to be better than the last two years.

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England and Wales fans will be subject to a 24 hour alcohol ban

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on the streets of Lens when the two teams meet there in the group

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Every match in the northern French city will see a 6am alcohol ban

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on the day of the match until 6am the following day.

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It's intended to stop the city becoming overwhelmed

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Scotland's Kim Little has been voted the BBC

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The Seattle Reign player topped a supporters' poll to become

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the second winner of the BBC World Service award.

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The midfielder has made 115 appearances for Scotland,

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England all rounder Ben Stokes says he's "devastated" to miss the rest

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of the series against Sri Lanka after having knee surgery yesterday.

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Stokes picked up the injury during in the First

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The ECB hasn't given a timescale on his return.

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Warwickshire's Chris Woakes has been called up as his replacement.

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The Second Test against Sri Lanka starts on Friday

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Steel, I will see you just after half 9. Thanks.

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Hundreds of steelworkers are expected to march

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through Central London today, to highlight the crisis facing

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The protest comes as the future of Tata Steel's British operation

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is discussed at the company's board meeting in Mumbai.

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In March, the company announced plans to sell

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The Business Secretary Sajid Javed has travelled to India

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He tweeted that "Several credible bidders are in play".

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In a moment we'll talk to some workers on their way to London,

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but first here's a look back at the trouble Tata Steel has faced.

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ended at the steelworks owned by the Thai company SSI

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One of the main reasons blamed for the closure was cheap

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It also later emerged that workers' pension payments had been

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Local workers criticised the Government for not stepping

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In March this year, the Indian company Tata Steel announced plans

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to sell its UK business, putting thousands more UK

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They include 4000 at Port Talbot, its largest steel-making plant.

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Its European holding company was told to explore all options

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for restructuring and the UK Government has been working

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on a plan to sell Tata's assets as a going concern.

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At the time, Business Secretary Sajid Javid said several options

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because I think everyone would want a long-term, viable solution.

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If you look around Europe and elsewhere, I don't think

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renationalisation is really the answer.

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The future of around 11,000 remaining Tata employees

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to save the business expected to be announced later today.

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But these workers at Port Talbot are positive about the future.

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Obviously there's lots of speculation, this,

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We try and block that out, come to work and do what we can

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Our customers, our product range and what we can do

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So, we've got the capability, we just need...

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Hundreds of steel workers are planning to march today. Our

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correspondent is in Wales. The workers are hoping there is

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long-term reprieve, how do you assess the situation? I think it has

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been a very mixed period for the people living here. They have been

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angry with the government that they didn't step in sooner when the

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discussion of nationalisation was first discussed, they were thinking

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that must be the way forward, because they have taken so long to

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help them, this would be the only way they could be saved. But then

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Sajid Javid said 25% could be given from the Government. That has drawn

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in some potential interest from buyers. Now, I think the feeling is

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that they do have a potential positive outlook. Seven buyers have

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been mentioned. There is Liberty Steel and the management buy-out

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group. They feel that is their preferred option, because they will

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keep the blast furnace and that is the soul of Port Talbot, that is

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about creating steel. For them that is the way forward. Thank you. We

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are going to be talking to John Park, and we are joined by Alan

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Coombes who works at Port Talbot, he is joining us from the bus head fog

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that rally and Brian Dennis join us from Middlesbrough and he lost his

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job when the SSI works closed in Redcar. Alan, you're on the bus, how

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are you feeling heading for this march, knowing that the future of

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the steel works is hanging in the balance? Yes, there is a lot of

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anticipation, the guys are all going up to London, meeting up with

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everyone else from the UK to have a march on Parliament and we are

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anxious to hear what Tata will be announcing today. There is a bit

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more light at the end of the tunnel than a month ago. So I'm feeling

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more positive. What is the mood on the bus today? Everybody's still

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apprehensive. We still want to know what is going to happen about the

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buyers and who will be Tata's preferred buyer. But there is more

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enthusiasm and positivity than a month ago. Obviously, you are coming

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here on the day that Sajid Javid is in Mumbai. He says he will do

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everything that he can to make sure that Tata will be a responsible

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Searl. Do you feel the government is doing everything it can? I think it

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needs to do more about an industrial strategy. Any buyer would have to

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have the support of an industrial strategy to make the business

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viable. I think the Government's still got a big part to play,

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although they are stepping up to the mark, they still to do more. John,

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you're representing workers with the union, do you believe the Government

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is doing everything it can? We have moved them in the right direction,

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there is no doubt. That has been the union working with the industry.

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There is more they can do. You have seen the distance we have travelled

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over the last six to nine months, the thought you have a Conservative

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Government now prepared to take a stake and provide some loan options

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for a potential buyer is a huge step for any government, but for a

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Conservative Government in particular. What do you think has

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got the situation to this point. It didn't happen with Redcar. What is

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different? I think unfortunately thousands of people lost their job

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in Redcar and the Government regret not stepping in earlier. There has

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been a lot of political pressure, I think the main thing is people

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recognise it is not just about the steel communities that rely on the

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steelworks, if we don't have a steel industry, other manufacturing

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industries would be under threat. Gareth, the picture has changed to

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be in the situation where there are seven bids on the table. Are you

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surprised that there are that many in the frame? I am pleased that

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there are that many, the business they're looking to buy is not an

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inefficient business. The reason we are in the crisis we are in is

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because of Government policy piling on costs that we face that our

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competitors don't face, but it is the tsunami, the flood of Chinese

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steel that is flooding global markets and making our position

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uncompetitive. It ills not free trade here we are looking at from

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China, it is unfair trade, they're selling into the market below market

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prices and breaking what is normally a very healthy global competitive

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steel market. Brutally if Chinese steel is available much more cheaply

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than steel produced here, that filters through in terms of cheaper

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production costs for other companies and leads to cheaper products. Why

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is British Steel so important if it is much more expensive? Two points.

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One it is unfairly traded and you know it is not cheap as in good

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value steel, it is cheap unfairly traded steel that is here for the

:25:24.:25:27.

short-term. I don't think we will see those prices for the long-term.

:25:28.:25:34.

If we lose our steel sector, we will be beholden to global steel prices

:25:35.:25:39.

and then crucially don't, we won't have the ability for steel as a very

:25:40.:25:45.

important foundation sector, feeding into key important sectors in the UK

:25:46.:25:50.

like automotive and construction and defence. If we lose the steel

:25:51.:25:56.

sector, where does that slow burn end and where do we see the rest of

:25:57.:26:04.

the sectors going? Will we lose all those manufacturing sectors and that

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is why as your previous person said, was we need an industrial strategy

:26:11.:26:14.

here in the UK, something we do not have. Brian, you lost your job at

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Redcar, we were talking about how there wasn't the same intervention

:26:20.:26:24.

for Redcar, when you see what is going on with Tata, what do you

:26:25.:26:29.

think? I believe that we were never given a fighting chance. We asked

:26:30.:26:35.

the Government for help and the Government hid behind EU state aid

:26:36.:26:40.

rules. The same rules apply, but the Government now are willing to put

:26:41.:26:44.

their hand in their pocket and help investors. All we were asking for

:26:45.:26:50.

was that same help. Now, our furnace and our coke ovens were not

:26:51.:26:56.

moth-balled, but left to self-destruct. There is no way back

:26:57.:27:01.

for us. All because the Government wouldn't step in and offer what is

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on the table now. We asked for the help and it wasn't coming. For your

:27:06.:27:12.

community there, what has it meant? Well it has meant job losses. I have

:27:13.:27:17.

been lucky, I have found a job, my job is in Durham and I'm thinking

:27:18.:27:20.

now, do I move out of the area and go and live there and if I'm doing

:27:21.:27:24.

that, what happens to the other 2 and a half or three thousand people,

:27:25.:27:29.

will they move? Because there is no work on Teesside. It is decimating

:27:30.:27:34.

communities. Alan, I don't know if you could hear Brian talking about

:27:35.:27:39.

the impact on Teesside after the closure of Redcar. It is the way

:27:40.:27:48.

workers at Port Talbot were talking when the, Tata pulling out was first

:27:49.:27:53.

on the table. We were talking to workers like you with 25 years

:27:54.:27:58.

experience and families who have just known working at that

:27:59.:28:02.

steelworks. I suppose you feel sympathy for Brian and also relief

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in the hope that you're not facing that scenario. You're right. There

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Brian and his colleagues and it is heartbreaking what happened in

:28:17.:28:21.

Redcar and what happened in Ebbw Vale in the past and the people were

:28:22.:28:24.

looking at that and hoping and praying it wouldn't happen to them.

:28:25.:28:29.

Hopefully with the Government intervention, it is not going to

:28:30.:28:34.

happen to Port Talbot, it is heartbreaking what happened in

:28:35.:28:37.

Redcar and my heart goes out to the colleagues there. It is a shame that

:28:38.:28:45.

great blast fur naves is no more. -- furnace is no more. The Government

:28:46.:28:51.

were late coming to the game. Hopefully they can help Port Talbot.

:28:52.:28:55.

You spoke about the way the company and the workers are working

:28:56.:29:00.

together, at the moment, what ever happens there is not going to be a

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quick solution here is there. It will be a long process to turn

:29:05.:29:08.

things around? We want that process to take the time that it needs to

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take Maur Tata are -- sure that Tata are a responsible seller. It is

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important we get ourselves into a position where the trade unions work

:29:20.:29:25.

with any buyers. The industry has had to change over many years and

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the employees have played a key role and they have done that because

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they're proud of the industry and the communities they live in and

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they have ensured that the British economy has been built on steel. A

:29:40.:29:45.

final thought on the way Tata has handled this, it has unabled this

:29:46.:29:54.

process to -- enabled the process to unfold. Tata has shown it is a

:29:55.:29:59.

responsible employ hear the wants to see, as much as we all do, a steel

:30:00.:30:06.

sector in the UK that is sustainable and adding to the UK economy. Thank

:30:07.:30:13.

you all very much. Let us know your thoughts if you're affected by what

:30:14.:30:19.

is going on at Tata. We will keep you updated with all the

:30:20.:30:20.

developments. A young Australian boy whose first

:30:21.:30:23.

language is Gaelic faces being deported from the UK along

:30:24.:30:26.

with his parents, after the Home Confused about claim

:30:27.:30:29.

and counter-claim over what will happen if the UK votes

:30:30.:30:33.

to leave Europe? Our political guru will

:30:34.:30:36.

cut through the hype - today he's looking at the issue

:30:37.:30:38.

of sovereignty. I will be joined by two politicians

:30:39.:30:48.

for their prospectives. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:30:49.:31:00.

with a summary of today's news. A vote to leave the European Union

:31:01.:31:04.

would hurt the public finances and potentially add up to two years

:31:05.:31:07.

to the Government's austerity programme according to a new report

:31:08.:31:09.

from the Institute for Fiscal The research organisation says that

:31:10.:31:12.

leaving the EU could mean lower economic growth and a drop

:31:13.:31:16.

in tax receipts. Leave campaigners say a vote

:31:17.:31:17.

for Brexit could offer trade opportunities,

:31:18.:31:21.

but the IFS says any potential A dozen former senior military

:31:22.:31:23.

officers have spoken out about the dangers of Britain

:31:24.:31:29.

remaining in the European Union. They warn that EU law

:31:30.:31:31.

is undermining Britain's combat effectiveness and that Nato,

:31:32.:31:36.

not the EU, should remain The Remain campaign says membership

:31:37.:31:38.

of the EU and Nato Hundreds of steelworkers

:31:39.:31:42.

are expected to march through Central London today,

:31:43.:31:48.

to highlight the crisis facing The protest comes as the future

:31:49.:31:50.

of Tata Steel's British operation is discussed at the company's

:31:51.:31:55.

board meeting in Mumbai. The Business Secretary

:31:56.:31:58.

and the First Minister of Wales have travelled to India to hold

:31:59.:32:00.

talks with bosses. In March, the company

:32:01.:32:02.

announced plans to sell A new group led by a former boss

:32:03.:32:04.

of Mothercare is thought to be The Richess Group is being

:32:05.:32:13.

led by Greg Tufnell, the brother of former England

:32:14.:32:16.

cricketer Phil Tufnell. Other bidders including

:32:17.:32:19.

the founder of Matalan, are understood to have fallen out

:32:20.:32:21.

of the running. Sources close to the process say

:32:22.:32:23.

that if no buyer is found by Friday, BHS is likely to be liquidated,

:32:24.:32:27.

putting the retailer's Marks Spencer has reported a rise

:32:28.:32:29.

in underlying profits by 4.3% The retailer has said future short

:32:30.:32:37.

term profits will be hit by a revamp of its clothing and home range

:32:38.:32:44.

where sales have fallen. The new chief executive, Steve Rowe,

:32:45.:32:46.

said he intends to cut prices Nearly three-quarters of the care

:32:47.:32:49.

homes in England rated as inadequate by the Care Quality Commission,

:32:50.:32:59.

have now improved. The watchdog says its tougher

:33:00.:33:01.

inspection regime is Care providers warn that will only

:33:02.:33:03.

continue if funding is improved. The Government says it has made

:33:04.:33:07.

?3.5 billion available to councils. There has been a sharp drop

:33:08.:33:13.

in antibiotics being prescribed NHS figures for the year

:33:14.:33:20.

to May show there were 2.6 million fewer prescriptions

:33:21.:33:24.

than in the previous 12 months. Last week a major review

:33:25.:33:26.

of antibiotic resistance warned that by 2050 superbugs

:33:27.:33:31.

could kill one person every three seconds worldwide

:33:32.:33:34.

unless action was taken. That's a summary of

:33:35.:33:37.

the latest BBC News. Thank you. Let's catch up with the

:33:38.:33:43.

sport with Will. Russia could be stripped

:33:44.:33:52.

of up to nine medals from the 2008 Beijing Olympics

:33:53.:33:55.

after retests of drugs samples found positive results for 14

:33:56.:33:57.

of the country's athletes. Russia is currently

:33:58.:33:59.

banned from international A decision on whether its athletes

:34:00.:34:01.

can participate at the Rio Games We'll speak to Olympic medallist

:34:02.:34:05.

Kelly Soterton at 10am. Andy Murray is back in action

:34:06.:34:09.

today at the French Open, taking on wildcard Mathias Bourgue

:34:10.:34:12.

in the second round. The world number two battled back

:34:13.:34:16.

from two sets down yesterday to beat the oldest man in the draw,

:34:17.:34:19.

37-year-old Radek Stepanek. Kyle Edmund and Heather Watson

:34:20.:34:22.

are also both in action. Jose Mourinho is expected to be

:34:23.:34:28.

named Manchster United manager His representatives will continue

:34:29.:34:30.

talks with club officials today. Striker Zlatan Ibrahimovic is widely

:34:31.:34:35.

anticipated to be Scotland's Kim Little has been voted

:34:36.:34:37.

the BBC Women's Footballer The Seattle Reign player topped

:34:38.:34:42.

a supporters' poll to become the second winner of the BBC

:34:43.:34:47.

World Service award. The midfielder has made 115

:34:48.:34:49.

appearances for Scotland, We will see you just after 10am

:34:50.:35:02.

Joanna. See you then, thank you very much, Will.

:35:03.:35:04.

Just under a month to go and the polling booths will open

:35:05.:35:07.

But have you got a grip on the main facts of the debate?

:35:08.:35:11.

Never fear, we're here to help and our political guru Norman Smith

:35:12.:35:14.

is our guide to help us cut through some of the claims

:35:15.:35:17.

and counter claims both sides are making.

:35:18.:35:19.

This week we look at the issue of sovereignty.

:35:20.:35:21.

Let's go to Norman. Joanna, thank you very much. Well, there are big

:35:22.:35:28.

arguments in the referendum around the economy, security, immigration,

:35:29.:35:31.

but for many people there is this much more fundamental argument about

:35:32.:35:36.

sovereignty. Where does power lie? Who is actually in charge? Is

:35:37.:35:40.

authority in Brussels or is it in London? Well, here is our

:35:41.:35:46.

sovereignty see-saw with Mr Cameron at within end and Boris Johnson at

:35:47.:35:48.

the other end. Mr Cameron says at within end and Boris Johnson at

:35:49.:35:52.

have share sovereignty to have real power. You have to pool it to have

:35:53.:35:56.

real impact, not just in the European Union. He says look at

:35:57.:35:59.

Nato, we share our defence forces with other countries and that gives

:36:00.:36:02.

us more clout as a with other countries and that gives

:36:03.:36:06.

organisation. Saying politically he would say with the European Union.

:36:07.:36:09.

Secondly, if would say with the European Union.

:36:10.:36:13.

European Union then we have no say or influence on it even though we're

:36:14.:36:17.

still going to be shaped by its decisions. British companies, if

:36:18.:36:22.

they want to trade with the EU, will still have to abide by certain EU

:36:23.:36:30.

rules and regulations. Lastly, Mr Cameron says hey, we've got the best

:36:31.:36:34.

of both worlds, we are in the European Union, but we're not stuck

:36:35.:36:39.

in the single currency, we're not bound by the common immigration

:36:40.:36:44.

rules around the Schengen area. Mr Cameron's, I suppose, big pitch is,

:36:45.:36:47.

he thinks it is an illusion to think if we left the European Union,

:36:48.:36:49.

Britain would be more if we left the European Union,

:36:50.:36:53.

more independent, we would have more clout in the world. Europe would

:36:54.:36:57.

still be there. It would still influence us, but we wouldn't be

:36:58.:37:08.

able to shape it. If

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able to shape it. is still going to be a burj of

:37:09.:37:13.

people working out what the rules are for airlines, for routes, for

:37:14.:37:16.

passengers, what the regulations are, what the arrangements

:37:17.:37:19.

passengers, what the regulations only difference is, we won't be

:37:20.:37:19.

there. So we would only difference is, we won't be

:37:20.:37:25.

all the rules, take all the regulations, but without any say of

:37:26.:37:29.

what they are. Now that's not the act of a great, bold, big country

:37:30.:37:34.

that wants to have an influence in the world. That's cutting yourself

:37:35.:37:38.

off. You become a rule taker, not a rule maker. So what do Mr B Johnson

:37:39.:37:51.

and the Brexiters say? Mr Joern o Johnson's argument is EU law is

:37:52.:37:54.

supreme. So it doesn't really matter what the courts here decide or

:37:55.:37:58.

Parliament decides. At end of the day, those making the final decision

:37:59.:38:01.

are over there. It is day, those making the final decision

:38:02.:38:05.

Court of Justice who calls the final shots. Secondly, he says, we are

:38:06.:38:10.

always outvoted. We are the perennial losers in Europe. We

:38:11.:38:13.

always outvoted. We are the more than any other country when it

:38:14.:38:18.

comes to how the votes fall in the European Union. And lastly, he warns

:38:19.:38:24.

about the European Union superstate. That there will be more integration,

:38:25.:38:28.

more pooling of power and in other words less power here and more over

:38:29.:38:35.

there. And when Boris Johnson is out and about on the campaign trail, one

:38:36.:38:42.

of his most popular themes is to say, "Look, Europe isn't just making

:38:43.:38:47.

the big decisions, it is interfering in every little nook and cranny of

:38:48.:38:54.

our lives. It is interfering in bent bananas and hairdryers" And that

:38:55.:38:57.

goes down with the crowds when Boris Johnson is trying to get them going.

:38:58.:39:02.

Why should they tell us? Why should they tell us how powerful our vacuum

:39:03.:39:06.

cleaners should be? Why should they tell us how power our hairdryers

:39:07.:39:12.

should be? This is not a matter for an international body to dictate to

:39:13.:39:16.

the British people. We take back, if we take back control, if we take

:39:17.:39:23.

back control we will lift the burden ?600 million a week lifted off the

:39:24.:39:29.

backs of British industry and business. That's why this campaign

:39:30.:39:32.

is growing. I suppose for many people, it is the most fundamental

:39:33.:39:37.

argue: Yes, there are important ks about whether we might be better off

:39:38.:39:41.

in or out or whether we can perhaps just curb some of the migration into

:39:42.:39:46.

Europe, but for many people, the biggest factor is who is running the

:39:47.:39:52.

show? Who is in charge? Where does real power lie?

:39:53.:39:55.

Let's talk more about that. Well, we have representatives from

:39:56.:39:58.

the two official campaigns. Vote Leave's Kwasi Kwarteng

:39:59.:40:00.

Conservative MP, he wants you to vote to leave

:40:01.:40:02.

the European Union and Stronger In Britain's Chris Bryant,

:40:03.:40:04.

Shadow Leader of the House Of Commons and Labour MP,

:40:05.:40:06.

he wants you to remain in the EU. Thank you for joining us. Let's pick

:40:07.:40:15.

up on what Boris Johnson was saying right at the end of that. Why should

:40:16.:40:19.

the EU tell us how power our vacuum cleaners should be? Why should we as

:40:20.:40:24.

a member of the European Union want to step away, why would we ever want

:40:25.:40:28.

to step away from the table at which the decisions are made about

:40:29.:40:31.

standards that affect children's toy, kettles, everything. I would

:40:32.:40:34.

have thought if you are a British manufacturer of children's toys,

:40:35.:40:37.

just for instance, you would want the British Government to be sitting

:40:38.:40:42.

at the table, deciding all the rules that specify what is safe, so and as

:40:43.:40:48.

a parent you would want to make sure any children's toys that you could

:40:49.:40:51.

buy in the European Union, whether they were made in the European Union

:40:52.:40:53.

or imported into the European Union from China or anywhere else, were

:40:54.:40:58.

safe. So you see, I start from a fundamental principle which is that

:40:59.:41:03.

we achieve far more by our collective endeavour than we can

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possibly do by going it a loan and basically the decision here is we

:41:08.:41:10.

know there is a big table that makes big decisions in Brussels and

:41:11.:41:14.

Strasbourg and the question is whether we want to sit at that table

:41:15.:41:18.

or sit on the children's table on our own? What do you say? It is very

:41:19.:41:27.

well sitting around a table, but if we are consistently outvoted as your

:41:28.:41:32.

report said... What being decided doesn't get swept away if the UK

:41:33.:41:36.

isn't at the table, does it? The rules on vacuum cleaners would still

:41:37.:41:39.

apply if British companies wanted to trade in Europe for instance. That's

:41:40.:41:43.

the point of the negotiation. The point about sovereignty, it is

:41:44.:41:47.

absolute. You're saying that under the legislation that the House of

:41:48.:41:56.

Commons passed, we are subordinating British primary legislation to

:41:57.:41:59.

applicable EU law. And that's why it is such a huge deal. What we're

:42:00.:42:05.

saying is if we leave the EU, we can actually have a sovereign Parliament

:42:06.:42:09.

where we make our own decisions. That's the point you see, no, we

:42:10.:42:14.

wouldn't. No, we would no more than we are at the moment. There are

:42:15.:42:18.

loads of laws which we write now. We are about to do a new Adoption Bill.

:42:19.:42:22.

We don't have to refer that to the EU. There are lots of EU laws that I

:42:23.:42:27.

applicable. Yes, but the benefit for us is that we get to magnify our

:42:28.:42:31.

voice. You see, there is one so-called fact that has been put out

:42:32.:42:36.

by the Leave campaign which is untrue I'm afraid. Is that we lose

:42:37.:42:40.

all the time. We win 92% of the time. We lose more than any other

:42:41.:42:44.

country. You say that the UK wins 92% of the time. Yes. How do you

:42:45.:42:50.

have such a different statistic? You say 0% of the time. You say 92% of

:42:51.:42:57.

the time? Most legislation is contested. When there is a divide

:42:58.:43:01.

and there ends up being a vet we're on the winning side 92% of the time.

:43:02.:43:06.

And how do you... That's just a fact. Wellks he says it is not a

:43:07.:43:10.

fact. Where do you get that fact from? Most legislation is

:43:11.:43:14.

uncontroversial, but the things where we are object, we lose every

:43:15.:43:18.

time. The things where we're against, obviously we lose every

:43:19.:43:23.

time. Do you accept that? No. We can claim back sovereignty. When I was

:43:24.:43:26.

the Europe Minister and I went to the meetings and there would be a

:43:27.:43:28.

row about something. Sometimes people would say, Britain is bound

:43:29.:43:32.

to lose on this. My experience was if you sat down and you worked and

:43:33.:43:36.

you treated it like a lobbying campaign, you could nearly always

:43:37.:43:40.

create a winning come bin nation and then you managed to get the British

:43:41.:43:44.

voice being amplified across the EU. Now, my anxiety is that, if we were

:43:45.:43:47.

to leave the European Union, what will happen is that all the same

:43:48.:43:51.

decision will keep on being made, we will want to be in the single market

:43:52.:43:57.

because otherwise we are turning our backs on economic prosperity and we

:43:58.:44:01.

will have to swallow every rule and regulation that's brought out

:44:02.:44:04.

without ever being able to influence it. People say this is the terrible

:44:05.:44:09.

thing that Norway has decided by not joining, but since, you'll

:44:10.:44:12.

understand this, since the Norway referendum, more people, more

:44:13.:44:17.

Norwegians, 70%, every poll, suggests that more Norwegians want

:44:18.:44:20.

to stay out of the EU. They understand the arguments you are

:44:21.:44:24.

making and 70% still want to stay out of the EU. Unless they are

:44:25.:44:29.

deluded why on earth would more than was the case when they did their

:44:30.:44:34.

referendum in 94? I want to talk more about the laws enacted in this

:44:35.:44:38.

uncan and the EU power over that effectively. Because we're talking

:44:39.:44:42.

about different figures being quoted and how much the UK wins votes. In

:44:43.:44:48.

terms of the numbers of laws enacted in this country as direct result of

:44:49.:44:51.

the EU, again, very different figures coming out of both camps.

:44:52.:44:56.

They range between 10% and 17%. Forget about the figures. Why? What

:44:57.:45:02.

the European communities Act does is subordinate Parliamentary laws to EU

:45:03.:45:09.

laws. That's a fact. Hang on, you're disputing how much control the UK

:45:10.:45:12.

Parliament has in terms of making laws. You see it differently. What

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proportion of UK laws... Whatever figures he says. I'm saying because

:45:20.:45:25.

of the European communities Act Parliament laws, Parliamentary laws,

:45:26.:45:30.

are subordinate. They are out ranked by EU laws and that's what I

:45:31.:45:32.

fundamentally object to. He is making a theoretical argument.

:45:33.:45:42.

That what is it is. I start from a different principle that I want the

:45:43.:45:47.

British people to be able to have as much influence over the things that

:45:48.:45:53.

affect their lives N a global world where people, money, business

:45:54.:45:58.

travels in far more than it ever did when our parents or grandparents

:45:59.:46:02.

were born, that is more difficult to do, because you're dealing with

:46:03.:46:06.

international corporations and want to make them pay tax and it is more

:46:07.:46:10.

difficult in any one country to force them to do that. If you unite

:46:11.:46:15.

you stand a better chance of doing that. On foreign policy, it is

:46:16.:46:19.

difficult for Britain to stand up to Putin on our own, but with the EU we

:46:20.:46:23.

stand a better chance and I think you were talking about steel earlier

:46:24.:46:29.

and I don't think we stand a chance of dealing with the problem of

:46:30.:46:34.

Chinese overproduction of steel unless we do that on a common basis.

:46:35.:46:40.

For me, what we do by being a member of the EU is we get an opportunity

:46:41.:46:45.

to magnify our influence in the world. Thing is this discussion was

:46:46.:46:52.

about sovereignty and Chris dismissed my argument as a

:46:53.:47:03.

theoretical argument. Does Parliament have the power or the EU.

:47:04.:47:11.

You didn't answer that point. Well I thought I had answered, but I think

:47:12.:47:17.

that... It is not just about how you write the laws, but the application

:47:18.:47:24.

of laws. For a British person is it more important than an individual

:47:25.:47:30.

law is written in this country, or is it more important you have a

:47:31.:47:36.

British version of law that is applied across Europement This is a

:47:37.:47:42.

fundamental difference. I think it is important that theoretically we

:47:43.:47:48.

are are the sovereign power. Chris is being honest and saying I'm happy

:47:49.:47:53.

for that to happen. So long as the practical outcome. But I want

:47:54.:47:58.

sovereignty to be vested in a Parliament elected by the people

:47:59.:48:02.

here. If you can achieve a swrags where the law you want -- situation

:48:03.:48:07.

where the law you want does I my in the UK and also applies in Europe

:48:08.:48:11.

and you have had to make compromises with other countries, but that means

:48:12.:48:15.

your businesses can do better business in Europe or you when you

:48:16.:48:20.

travel in Europe or do business in Europe can do better, I can't see

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how we have lost out. I think the principle is important is what

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happens is that any laws that we pass are subject to a foreign power.

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The 20th century is full of countries that became independent

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and they never said you are better because of this, it is they want to

:48:45.:48:48.

be independent. I think in the British context that is something we

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can achieve if we vote the right way on 23rd. We have to stop. What about

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the Tupperware you can just put the lid on. Thank you very much. Have

:48:58.:49:05.

you decided how you will vote. If you're not still not sure, you can

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take part in one of our big TV audience debates on 6th June we will

:49:11.:49:11.

be in Manchester. If you want to take part and can get

:49:12.:49:24.

to Manchester from wherever you are in the UK do

:49:25.:49:27.

e-mail [email protected] to have your chance to quiz

:49:28.:49:29.

and listen to senior politicians Coming up: As comedian Bill Cosby

:49:30.:49:34.

prepares to stand trial on sexual assault charges,

:49:35.:49:40.

we hear from one of his alleged victims who describes how

:49:41.:49:43.

he gave her pills before raping her. Gregg and Kathryn Brain have

:49:44.:49:48.

lived in the Highlands They arrived in Scotland

:49:49.:49:51.

from Australia after the Scottish Government encouraged

:49:52.:49:57.

foreign nationals to relocate there, but they now face being

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deported in six days time. It's all because the type

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of visa they would need Their case has now been taken

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up by Scotland's First Let's speak to Greg,

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Kathryn and their son Lachlin - who live in Inverness at the moment,

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along with their local MP Ian Blackford who has

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championed their cause with the Immigration

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Minister in Westminster. Greg and Kathryn, you came here in

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2011 from Australia, when you came, did you believe it would be forever?

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We certainly had long-term plans, that was included in our visa

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application with Cathy's studies she could use them as part of her

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employment. One of inducements offered was there would be a

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two-year post study work visa that would enable us to develop a

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relationship with an employer to see the value of sponsoring us for a

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longer term plan. Why did you want to come here? We have both got

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Scottish ancestry and came here in 2001 on our tenth wedding

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anniversary and felt we belonged here. In 2005 we came back to do a

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reality check trip to see what the cost-of-living was and to start

:51:27.:51:30.

planning towards relocating to here and it was in 2007 when the Highland

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home coming programme was promoted in Australia and we started looking

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into that line of visas that would be available. But with our ancestry,

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it is our great grandparents so we had to look at other option and the

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fresh talent programme provided that. You sold up in Australia and

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decided to immerse you're in life in the Highlands. Absolutely. The

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degree I applied for was a Scottish cultural studies degree with the

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University of Highlands and Islands. Towards the end of my second year of

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that degree, it had changed so with the approval of my programme leaders

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I switched into the double major of Scottish history and archaeology

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programme, which I have now completed and of course the dream

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job would be something with national trust or historic Scotland to

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further that knowledge I have gained. But at the moment you know

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we are just wanting to make a life here with our wee boy Lachlan, again

:52:40.:52:45.

following our cultural roots. That is where we are at at the moment.

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Greg, where you're at at the moment though is facing deportation in six

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days. Can you believe that? Are you prepared to leave in six days? Well,

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yes we have to be. Due to circumstances related to this we

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have been evicted from the house we were living in and we are now living

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on the charity of friends. All our property is packed up in Inverness

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and they're waiting on instructions as to what address to deliver that

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to whether it is somewhere here if we get to stay or back to Australia

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if we have to leave. Tell us more about your personal circumstances,

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when and why were you evicted? Well, our landlord when this started, we

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were on a casual lease and had been there for two years and were on a

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month to month short tenancy. Our landlord said we either sign on for

:53:45.:53:49.

another six months or leave, because we couldn't guarantee another six

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months, he gave us a notice of eviction with saying we were engaged

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in criminal activity. Did you have money to pay rent and have you been

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able to support yourselves? We have never missed a payment in rent and

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we got our full bond back at the end of the tenancy. The agent who

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inspected the property agreed the property was in better condition

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when we left than when we arrived. Let's bring in Ian, you're the local

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MP, they came under the fresh talent scheme and believed they would be

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welcomed scheme and believed they would be

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entire family is an scheme and believed they would be

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Scotland. You scheme and believed they would be

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boy who reads and rites in Gaelic. If the family are deported they have

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to go back to Australia, although he can speak English, he reads and

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writes in Gaelic. The basic decency should come in and I'm asking the

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Government to show come passion. They came with good grace, thinking

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they would satisfy the requirements for the visa. I'm asking the

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minister to recognise there are very people that came under that

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initiative that are still here. This is not about creating a precedent,

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but understanding that we have a family that want to

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but understanding that we have a in the Highlands. Our population has

:55:27.:55:31.

declined over the course of the last hundred years and we need

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declined over the course of the last our economy. I'm asking the

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Government to show come passion and give them what would have been that

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post work study visa to allow them to stay here for the longer

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post work study visa to allow them You said about being in touch with

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the immigration minister, in a statement the Government says the

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minister did grant a period of grace to allow the family to

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minister did grant a period of grace their stay and the minister granted

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a further extension to their stay and the minister granted

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job applications, however, evidence of a relevant job in line with

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immigration rules has not been provided to date. They have been

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given a chance. provided to date. They have been

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this, the whole process of being evicted from the

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this, the whole process of being takes time to get a job to qualify.

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Both have come close to this over the last few weeks. I'm not asking

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they should be given special treatment in so far as they should

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not have to qualify, but that they're given what was offered to

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them when they came here in 2011 that, postwork study visa, a

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two-year qualification giving time for both to qualify. It is about the

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appropriate amount of time. I would appeal to employers in the Highlands

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and Islands that in the six days that we have got, if anyone could

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use the skill set, the very good skill set they have, that would be

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helpful. Is it literally any job? No there are specific criteria. It is

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difficult to... ? No, there has been a lot of bad luck. Kathryn was

:57:18.:57:23.

offered a job that satisfied the visa, but that offer was

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reskinneded, because of - rescinded. The Government has to recognise this

:57:31.:57:38.

can't be done over night. Greg was working. So I'm asking the

:57:39.:57:41.

Government to allow them to work and go through this process to qualify

:57:42.:57:47.

for the visa. Greg and Kathryn, the immigration minister has given you

:57:48.:57:52.

extra time twice to be able to find work so you can comply with the visa

:57:53.:57:57.

requirements. Why hasn't it happened? Yes, as Ian said there has

:57:58.:58:02.

been some bad luck, days after we were given the first extension

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Kathryn's employer had a tragic change of circumstances personally

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and had to pull out. Then there was a job with the Highland council

:58:12.:58:17.

which matched my health and safety and education policy skills set that

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I brought from Australia, I applied for that job and then found the

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position had been withdrawn because it had been filled by a redeployee.

:58:27.:58:33.

And the bar has been set very high for us. What we have to do in this

:58:34.:58:44.

next few days is to interview with an employer that knows us not at all

:58:45.:58:52.

and convince them that we are worth investing some ?4,000 odd in

:58:53.:58:58.

immigration lawyers' fees and Home Office application fees to get a

:58:59.:59:04.

sponsorship licence. It is very difficult to convince them you're

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worth employing and a ?4,000 signing bonus. We are asking for the home

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awe Home Office to live up to the visas that were in place that would

:59:17.:59:21.

give us two years to establish a career here, to establish a rapport

:59:22.:59:26.

with an employer and to convince them of our value so they would be

:59:27.:59:30.

willing to make that investment. Thank you all very much for joining

:59:31.:59:32.

us. A Home Office spokesperson told us,

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"All visa applications are considered on their individual

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merits, and applicants must provide evidence to show

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they meet the requirements Now the weather. Carol is here. We

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are matching today? We are. The weather is uniform as well. There is

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a lot of cloud around today and the best of the brightness will be in

:59:59.:00:04.

the west and I can show your that in some pictures sent in. A cloudy

:00:05.:00:11.

start in Kent and also in Isle of Wight as we drift west some brighter

:00:12.:00:17.

skies in Dorset. But in the north we are still looking at cloud.

:00:18.:00:25.

It is rather cloudy across north east Scotland also. It is

:00:26.:00:31.

illustrated where we have got all the cloud and when we have some

:00:32.:00:36.

breaks and sunshine. As we get through the day, cloud will move a

:00:37.:00:41.

bit further towards the west. We will also see some more rain coming

:00:42.:00:44.

out that cloud, it will be on and off through the day. Eventually

:00:45.:00:50.

getting in possibly to the borders of Scotland. To the north of that in

:00:51.:00:56.

Scotland, there will be some sunshine. To the south-west also.

:00:57.:01:00.

But the rain continuing through the afternoon across northern England,

:01:01.:01:04.

the Midlands, patchy in nature across East Anglia. Moving down to

:01:05.:01:09.

the south east, still a lot of cloud around, more than yesterday. We will

:01:10.:01:14.

see is lighter breaks here and there. More likely to see sunshine

:01:15.:01:20.

in the south-west. After a sunny start across western part of Wales

:01:21.:01:24.

and the south-west, cloud building with some patchy rain across north

:01:25.:01:30.

Wales. Then for Northern Ireland, mixture of bright spells, some

:01:31.:01:34.

sunshine and the odd shower. You will see the lion's share of the

:01:35.:01:39.

sunshine in Scotland today. Always feeling cool down the seacoast. We

:01:40.:01:45.

still have that rain across northern parts of the country as we go

:01:46.:01:49.

through the night. Into Northern Ireland, slipping southwards across

:01:50.:01:53.

Wales. Across southern counties, some breaks in the cloud, as in the

:01:54.:01:58.

north. And in the north west of Scotland, it could be cold enough

:01:59.:02:02.

for some frost. Perhaps some sunshine tomorrow. We still have

:02:03.:02:07.

this weather front draped across the central swathes of the country

:02:08.:02:11.

tomorrow. It will produce a little bit of rain and it will fill cooler

:02:12.:02:16.

in the north. Sunshine further south and feeling quite muddy. Amateurs

:02:17.:02:20.

will be rising through the day and we find it could spark off some

:02:21.:02:26.

thundery showers. Friday, a brighter day for some of us but still showers

:02:27.:02:31.

dotted around. Sunshine in the north, some in the north. -- some in

:02:32.:02:37.

the south. Some thunderstorms likely to be sparked off with those rising

:02:38.:02:39.

temperatures. Hello it's Wednesday, it's 10am.

:02:40.:03:03.

I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria. Welcome to the programme

:03:04.:03:06.

if you've just joined us. As comedian Bill Cosby

:03:07.:03:08.

prepares to stand trial on sexual assault charges,

:03:09.:03:14.

we hear from one of his alleged Victims, who watched him like a

:03:15.:03:22.

hawk. For many years, most of us thought

:03:23.:03:28.

we were the only one. And we didn't realise

:03:29.:03:31.

that we had been victimised From midnight tonight, legal highs

:03:32.:03:33.

will no longer be legal in the UK. We'll talk to both supporters

:03:34.:03:38.

and critics of the new blanket ban And there's more trouble for Russia

:03:39.:03:43.

in the world of athletics. 14 of its athletes have failed

:03:44.:03:48.

a recent re-test for doping Could the country be

:03:49.:03:51.

banned from Rio? Good morning.

:03:52.:04:06.

It's 10.04am. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:04:07.:04:11.

with a summary of today's news. A vote to leave the European Union

:04:12.:04:16.

would hurt the public finances - and potentially add up to two years

:04:17.:04:19.

to the government's austerity programme according to a new report

:04:20.:04:22.

from the Institute for Fiscal The research organisation says that

:04:23.:04:24.

leaving the EU could mean lower economic growth and a drop

:04:25.:04:30.

in tax receipts. Leave campaigners say a vote

:04:31.:04:31.

for Brexit could offer trade opportunities,

:04:32.:04:34.

but the IFS says any potential Our Economics Correspondent,

:04:35.:04:36.

Andy Verity reports. Less than a month away from the

:04:37.:04:43.

referendum, what Less than a month away from the

:04:44.:04:47.

case for leaving the European Less than a month away from the

:04:48.:05:01.

you count for subsidies to UK farmers, it is 150 million. It adds

:05:02.:05:06.

up to 8 billion a year which may seem large, but they say the economy

:05:07.:05:14.

would be 0.6% smaller and there would be less tax coming in, wiping

:05:15.:05:16.

out that saving. The immediate effect of leaving the

:05:17.:05:27.

EU is that we would be sending ?8 billion a year less to the rest of

:05:28.:05:32.

the European Union. That would improve public finances. But more

:05:33.:05:35.

likely, the economy would shrink relative to what would be the

:05:36.:05:41.

likely, the economy would shrink finance hit in the short run and

:05:42.:05:42.

probably be in the range of 20- ?40 finance hit in the short run and

:05:43.:05:48.

billion. That money would have to be added to borrowing according

:05:49.:05:51.

billion. That money would have to be IFS report, meaning there would have

:05:52.:05:54.

to be a couple of years extra austerity to balance the Budget.

:05:55.:05:57.

to be a couple of years extra of the relatively few economists

:05:58.:05:59.

backing vote Leave attacked the report. These other studies all come

:06:00.:06:05.

out with negatives and the reason is, they assume we don't go to free

:06:06.:06:12.

trade after Brexit. They assume it's because some obscure reason that

:06:13.:06:14.

they think the voters would put up with it. That is a political

:06:15.:06:19.

judgment which is not very common to me. The damage to the public

:06:20.:06:25.

finances would be far less, says the IFS, than the 2008 crisis. Whether

:06:26.:06:32.

it is a price worth paying is for voters to decide.

:06:33.:06:36.

A dozen former senior military officers have spoken out

:06:37.:06:41.

They warn that EU law is undermining Britain's combat

:06:42.:06:46.

A new group led by a former boss of Mothercare is thought to be

:06:47.:06:59.

The Richess Group is being led by Greg Tufnell,

:07:00.:07:03.

the brother of former England cricketer Phil Tufnell.

:07:04.:07:06.

Other bidders, including the founder of Matalan,

:07:07.:07:08.

are understood to have fallen out of the running.

:07:09.:07:10.

Sources close to the process say that if no buyer is found by Friday,

:07:11.:07:13.

BHS is likely to be liquidated, putting the retailer's 11,000

:07:14.:07:16.

Hundreds of steelworkers are expected to march

:07:17.:07:22.

through central London today, to highlight the crisis facing

:07:23.:07:24.

The protest comes as the future of Tata Steel's British operation

:07:25.:07:31.

is discussed at the company's board meeting in Mumbai.

:07:32.:07:34.

The Business Secretary and the First Minister of Wales have

:07:35.:07:37.

travelled to India to hold talks with bosses.

:07:38.:07:39.

In March, the company announced plans to sell

:07:40.:07:41.

Marks and Spencer has reported a rise in underlying profits by 4.3%

:07:42.:07:48.

The retailer has said future short-term profits will be hit

:07:49.:07:54.

by a revamp of its clothing and home range where sales have fallen.

:07:55.:08:01.

The new Chief Executive, Steve Rowe, said he intends to cut prices

:08:02.:08:03.

Nearly three-quarters of the care homes in England rated as inadequate

:08:04.:08:10.

by the Care Quality Commission, have now improved.

:08:11.:08:13.

The watchdog says its tougher inspection regime is

:08:14.:08:15.

Care providers warn that will only continue if funding is improved.

:08:16.:08:20.

The government says its made ?3.5 billion available to councils.

:08:21.:08:24.

Here's our Social Affairs Correspondent, Alison Holt.

:08:25.:08:28.

Care that is kind and provides support tailored to the needs

:08:29.:08:32.

of each person is at the heart of what the Care Quality Commission

:08:33.:08:35.

is looking for when it inspects homes as part

:08:36.:08:37.

Most homes in England are providing care rated as good.

:08:38.:08:44.

The first time the CQC has analysed what happens after a home is told

:08:45.:08:52.

Over 18 months, 372 homes in England were rated as inadequate.

:08:53.:08:59.

When inspectors returned, three quarters had made some improvement.

:09:00.:09:04.

99 were still failing and 34 had gone out of business.

:09:05.:09:08.

I think these are really encouraging results,

:09:09.:09:11.

they demonstrate people can make the improvements

:09:12.:09:15.

But I'm not complacent and I don't think care homes should be either.

:09:16.:09:20.

Care home owners welcome the results but they warn the squeeze on fees

:09:21.:09:26.

paid by local authorities who buy most social care means that many

:09:27.:09:29.

homes are srtuggling simply to survive.

:09:30.:09:33.

We have some serious problems around the underfunding of social care

:09:34.:09:38.

and I'm really concerned that we're going to see a lot of the gainss

:09:39.:09:42.

in quality that have been made over the years slipping back due

:09:43.:09:45.

The Government has said it is putting more money into social

:09:46.:09:51.

care and the CQC maintains its findings show,

:09:52.:09:57.

despite the pressure on the sector, standards are being pushed up.

:09:58.:10:00.

Lord Sugar has just been appointed enterprise staff. The government

:10:01.:10:11.

says it wants to get more young people to start their own business

:10:12.:10:15.

and that the role will also be about encouraging businesses to take on

:10:16.:10:19.

apprentices. Lord Sugar was appointed to the same role in 2009

:10:20.:10:24.

by Jie Zheng Labour leader, Gordon Brown. He left the Labour Party

:10:25.:10:28.

earlier this month over what he called its negative stance on

:10:29.:10:29.

business. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:10:30.:10:33.

News - more at 10.30am. Victoria Valentine claimed she was

:10:34.:10:38.

attacked by Bill Cosby. Do get in touch with us

:10:39.:10:43.

throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria Live

:10:44.:10:45.

and if you text, you will be charged More on our top story that Russia

:10:46.:10:55.

could be stripped of up to nine medals from the 2008 Beijing

:10:56.:11:00.

Olympics after retest of drug samples found positive results for

:11:01.:11:06.

14 of the country's athletes. A decision on whether its athletes

:11:07.:11:10.

will compete in Rio this summer will be made next month. We can speak to

:11:11.:11:14.

the Olympic medallist Kelly Sutherland. The committee will not

:11:15.:11:20.

name these athletes and tell the samples have been checked. Do you

:11:21.:11:24.

feel you have potentially missed out on a medal? I mentioned my social

:11:25.:11:32.

media can yesterday that I was unsure if the athlete who finished

:11:33.:11:37.

third was tested because obviously she finished fourth after the

:11:38.:11:40.

original doping and I queried whether she was in doping. She has

:11:41.:11:48.

not and she has had a test subsequently in 2009 and 2011.

:11:49.:11:54.

Potentially, I will never get the upgrade I may deserve.

:11:55.:12:02.

You kind of have two suck that up. You shouldn't but you have to. You

:12:03.:12:13.

look at yourself, someone like Goldie Sayers who could potentially

:12:14.:12:17.

have a bronze medal in the javelin, it is like changing because of the

:12:18.:12:22.

sponsorship involved, funding, getting a medal eight years on is

:12:23.:12:25.

not the same, you cannot recreate that. The four by four boys and

:12:26.:12:33.

Goldie Sayers, they would have had a different level of funding, they

:12:34.:12:37.

would have had sponsored deals, more kit deals, more funding going into

:12:38.:12:42.

2012 because they would have been Olympic medallist going into a home

:12:43.:12:46.

game will stop the Russians that had one metal and now are accused

:12:47.:12:52.

potentially doping, some of them won medals in 2012. Also in 2008,

:12:53.:13:02.

Collins, our sports director, he lost his job because we did not hit

:13:03.:13:07.

our medal target. If we get two more medals, he would have then exceeded

:13:08.:13:13.

his medal target which could have had different ramifications for him.

:13:14.:13:17.

So it is not just the athletes that lose out, it is support staff and it

:13:18.:13:23.

is a massive affect, a big country like Russia doping, it isn't just

:13:24.:13:28.

the athletes who lose out. I spoke to Martyn Rooney last night, he was

:13:29.:13:32.

on BBC Breakfast this morning and he said it is too soon for Russia to be

:13:33.:13:36.

reintroduced to athletics in terms of Rio. He is set for an upgrade, is

:13:37.:13:46.

that too soon? I think sadly for the country, I think they need to ensure

:13:47.:13:50.

that their government in doping is correct. This is just putting

:13:51.:13:55.

another nail in their coughing, I feel. It is bad for the clean

:13:56.:14:10.

Russian athletes. -- coffin. I think they think, well, they are cheating,

:14:11.:14:16.

we will treat. I totally agree with Martin Rooney, there's not enough

:14:17.:14:19.

time for them to get their and put their house in order for the Rio

:14:20.:14:23.

games. Their athletes need to be lobbying and getting angry with

:14:24.:14:31.

their federation. And nobody at. They need to tell them why have you

:14:32.:14:38.

allowed this to happen? I feel that is where the athletes's anger should

:14:39.:14:40.

be placed. Thanks for coming on. A decision will be made as to

:14:41.:14:52.

whether Russia will compete at Ryu month. We are talking more about

:14:53.:14:55.

that a little later. At midnight tonight legal highs

:14:56.:15:02.

will no longer be legal in the UK. The government was under pressure

:15:03.:15:05.

to act after a steady stream of reports of young people addicted,

:15:06.:15:07.

mentally unwell and even dying from products you could buy

:15:08.:15:10.

in a high street shop. To fix this, they've brought

:15:11.:15:14.

into play the Psychoactive It's a blanket ban on all legal

:15:15.:15:16.

highs, which the government is defining as anything that creates

:15:17.:15:24.

a psychoactive response, A lot of people, especially

:15:25.:15:26.

around my age, think they don't So the easy way to go

:15:27.:16:00.

about it and still get high They're there, they're

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just so easy to buy. It is an increasing problem,

:16:07.:16:21.

especially with the youth. The main problem is that

:16:22.:16:25.

people really have no idea He was getting in trouble

:16:26.:16:28.

with the police. He ended up in hospital,

:16:29.:16:52.

two or three times. He left our home, 50 yards away

:16:53.:16:56.

he could get legal highs. The main danger with nitrous

:16:57.:17:30.

oxide is lack of oxygen. What that can lead to is

:17:31.:17:35.

what is called hypoxaemia, It can also cause heart problems,

:17:36.:17:37.

breathing problems. If you have a pre-existing heart

:17:38.:17:43.

condition, In the studio with me is Jan King

:17:44.:17:44.

from legal high education group 'Angelus Foundation',

:17:45.:18:15.

who thinks the government As well as Steve Rolles -

:18:16.:18:16.

an analyst at drug policy foundation, Transform,

:18:17.:18:21.

who disagrees and thinks a ban From Newcastle, we have 23-year-old

:18:22.:18:22.

Stephen Wooton who just broke an addiction to legal highs and says

:18:23.:18:31.

a ban alone won't work. And lastly in Worcester,

:18:32.:18:36.

Detective Chief Inspector Ally Wright who serves Warwickshire

:18:37.:18:39.

Police and West Mercia Police. He's all for the ban and says

:18:40.:18:42.

new police powers will make a big Jan, you think it is a good thing,

:18:43.:18:55.

what difference do you think it will make? We are glad it's happened. We

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will it will take it off the high street. We are seeing it already.

:19:02.:19:06.

These things have been seen as legal and young people think they're safe,

:19:07.:19:11.

they clearly aren't to getting them off the high street has to be a good

:19:12.:19:16.

thing. It is not the only answer. But this is an important step in the

:19:17.:19:22.

right direction. It is too much of a risk for young people and getting

:19:23.:19:27.

rid of them is vital. What do you think Steve, will that transform

:19:28.:19:30.

things if they're taking off the high street? It will, but we are

:19:31.:19:40.

concerned it will move to criminal street dealers and unregulated

:19:41.:19:46.

online sales and could make the market more dirty and dangerous than

:19:47.:19:52.

it already is. Acknowledging the status quo isn't satisfactory, we

:19:53.:19:55.

are concerned the solution will make things worse. And when bans have

:19:56.:19:59.

been tried it doesn't seem to have been affected. The problem has not

:20:00.:20:06.

reseeded. What about what it means for the market, if somebody has not

:20:07.:20:11.

taken it before and it is legal and on the high street, they might take

:20:12.:20:18.

it, the market would, is different if new users don't necessarily go

:20:19.:20:21.

down that path, because it is not legal and on the high street? Yes,

:20:22.:20:29.

high street sales of any product anyone wants to sell is not a

:20:30.:20:35.

satisfactory situation. So we agree with Angelus the status quo is not

:20:36.:20:41.

satisfactory, but just by saying these are bad things and we will ban

:20:42.:20:46.

them is not a solution. That could make things worse and other options

:20:47.:20:56.

for licensing sales of some of the lower risk, some are very risky.

:20:57.:21:03.

Some are relatively benign. We could capture that market within a

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regulatory frame work, rather than gifting it to organised crime. These

:21:11.:21:13.

have been put in place to get around the law, taking them out of that

:21:14.:21:17.

picture will at least start to regulate things in a much better way

:21:18.:21:25.

than in the past. It is... The political landscape doesn't support

:21:26.:21:29.

regulating the market. So we have to do something now. Let's talk to

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Steven. You became addicted to legal highs in 2014. You're now off them.

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But was the fact that they were legal a reason why you started

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taking them? It was yes, it was just that I could get it easy when ever I

:21:45.:21:51.

wanted it around the corner and it was cheap, it was too cheap. That

:21:52.:21:56.

was the problem. If they hadn't been legal, would you have taken them or

:21:57.:22:06.

taken anything else. If they were not legal I probably wouldn't have

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heard of them. I lived in the town centre and the town centre was where

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it was sold. What do you think about the ban? The ban itself it will

:22:15.:22:20.

work, but they need to work more small time as well. Because I have

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heard that possession, there is nothing that can happen, so that

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won't stop people falling asleep in the middle of parks where kids and

:22:31.:22:38.

parents walk around during the day. Do you know people who use them and

:22:39.:22:42.

from midnight will be criminalised, do you think they will change their

:22:43.:22:47.

behaviour? I think there is a few people that are still on them and

:22:48.:22:54.

I'm trying to help them. I be But it will just make them want it more the

:22:55.:22:59.

ban. It will be the police's job to police this new law, how easy will

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that be? I think just a couple of points, I think Steve was referring

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to the substances that are are more benign, when people buy these things

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they have no idea of chemical come position and don't know the harm

:23:29.:23:32.

that can be caused. That is why through time we have established

:23:33.:23:37.

that there is significant harm caused and in some cases people have

:23:38.:23:42.

died. You showed the trauma caused in one family as a result of people

:23:43.:23:50.

taking it. You listen to another ex-addict, so it is wrong to say

:23:51.:23:55.

that some are safer than others. We just don't know when we buy them

:23:56.:23:59.

what they are. In terms of the police role and now they are

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illegal, do you really believe there will be prosecutions arising from

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the new law? OK, what we have done in the build up to the law coming in

:24:11.:24:17.

to force tomorrow, we know that high street head shops are the venues

:24:18.:24:21.

where people buy them. Or on the internet. That is another main

:24:22.:24:28.

supply chain for them. This law is about choking that supply chain, so

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we have approached all the head shops in our area and advised them

:24:33.:24:36.

of the new law. That is straight forward and that is obvious. That is

:24:37.:24:42.

on the high street. What about if it carries on and it is underground in

:24:43.:24:46.

the same way as other drugs are, do you expect that the police, that the

:24:47.:24:54.

new law will lead to prosecutions. I look at it differently, it is easy I

:24:55.:25:00.

to judge the police on binary statistics in terms of prosecution,

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for me it is about the reduction in harm that will be caused by cutting

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that supply chain. If we reduce the numbers of people addicted or even

:25:10.:25:15.

die as a result of taking these drugs, then I think a society and

:25:16.:25:18.

for the police we have done a good job. It sounds more like the message

:25:19.:25:28.

of the them being illegal having an impact, rather than the police

:25:29.:25:32.

having the resources to pursue the new law. No I don't accept that.

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Sorry, will the police use their resources to pursue this law? Yes.

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We will adopt a practical and proportionate response to any

:25:49.:25:51.

instance where people are selling, producing or supplying any of these

:25:52.:25:57.

stub -- substances, because we know the law is here. Practical and

:25:58.:26:02.

proportionate, that is a matter of perspective. In the list of

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priorities when police have finite resources and you're dealing with

:26:09.:26:13.

other issues that have been there, this is an extra thing on your

:26:14.:26:17.

plate, where will it rank on the list of priorities. We know these

:26:18.:26:22.

substances do cause deaths and therefore it will be given the

:26:23.:26:28.

appropriate priority within the police and if we receive information

:26:29.:26:33.

that people are selling it or dealing it, we will act upon it.

:26:34.:26:38.

What do you think about that, Jan zm? I am I am sure it will be a

:26:39.:26:45.

difficult challenge for the police and it is good to hear how they're

:26:46.:26:49.

responding. Would you want the police to make it a priority. It

:26:50.:26:56.

must be, but it is important it is not just about the law and what the

:26:57.:27:00.

police do, it is about what young people know about the subject that

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they know it is a risk and they hear that and that has not been the case,

:27:04.:27:12.

the Government haven't prioritised it as an education message there.

:27:13.:27:15.

Needs to be more to get the message so young people know, because the

:27:16.:27:19.

clock isn't going to go back to what it was before. It will continue to

:27:20.:27:23.

change. That is our concern to make sure we stay ahead of what is

:27:24.:27:28.

happening and keep equipping young people with the ability to take the

:27:29.:27:35.

appropriate risks. You said, we are out of time, you said elsewhere

:27:36.:27:40.

where the laws have come in the issues has got worse. So perhaps we

:27:41.:27:45.

will talk to you again when the law has had some time to run.

:27:46.:27:58.

As the migrant crisis in Europe intensified,

:27:59.:28:00.

much of the attention was on the plight of

:28:01.:28:02.

It's thought up to ten thousand have gone missing -

:28:03.:28:05.

with many falling into the hands of gangs and people smugglers.

:28:06.:28:08.

Hundreds also ended up at the Calais camp known as "The Jungle" -

:28:09.:28:11.

living in tents for months on end - risking their lives on lorries

:28:12.:28:14.

One of those stuck there is a 16-year-old from Syria -

:28:15.:28:19.

He didn't just tell us his story - he drew it.

:28:20.:28:23.

It's 10.31am with the news. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom.

:28:24.:31:27.

A vote to leave the European Union would hurt the public finances -

:31:28.:31:30.

and potentially add up to two years to the government's austerity

:31:31.:31:33.

programme according to a new report from the Institute for Fiscal

:31:34.:31:35.

The research organisation says that leaving the EU could mean lower

:31:36.:31:41.

economic growth and a drop in tax receipts.

:31:42.:31:44.

Leave campaigners say a vote for Brexit could offer

:31:45.:31:46.

trade opportunities, but the IFS says any potential

:31:47.:31:49.

The Prime Minister says there are and encouraging number of offers for

:31:50.:32:06.

Tata Steel UK. The protest comes as the future of Tata Steel's British

:32:07.:32:10.

operation is discussed at the company's board meeting in Mumbai.

:32:11.:32:15.

The government says it is doing everything it can to secure a

:32:16.:32:17.

successful sale of the business. A new group led by a former boss

:32:18.:32:20.

of Mothercare is thought to be The Richess Group is being

:32:21.:32:23.

led by Greg Tufnell, the brother of former England

:32:24.:32:27.

cricketer Phil Tufnell. Other bidders, including

:32:28.:32:29.

the founder of Matalan, are understood to have fallen out

:32:30.:32:31.

of the running. Sources close to the process say

:32:32.:32:33.

that if no buyer is found by Friday, thousand staff out of work.

:32:34.:32:37.

putting the retailer's 11 The retailer has said future short

:32:38.:32:47.

term profits will be hit by a revamp of its clothing and home range

:32:48.:32:53.

where sales have fallen. The new chief executive, Steve Rowe,

:32:54.:32:55.

said he intends to cut prices There has been a sharp drop

:32:56.:32:58.

in antibiotics being prescribed NHS figures for the year

:32:59.:33:04.

to May show there were 2.6 million fewer prescriptions

:33:05.:33:10.

than in the previous 12 months. Last week a major review

:33:11.:33:13.

of antibiotic resistance warned that by 2050 superbugs

:33:14.:33:15.

could kill one person every three seconds worldwide

:33:16.:33:18.

unless action was taken. That's a summary of the latest news,

:33:19.:33:23.

join me for BBC Newsroom Let's catch up with the sport.

:33:24.:33:37.

Russia could be stripped of up to nine medals from the 2008 Beijing

:33:38.:33:42.

Olympics after retest of drug samples found positive results for

:33:43.:33:48.

14 of the country's athletes. Russia is currently banned from

:33:49.:33:50.

international athletics competitions. The decision

:33:51.:33:52.

international athletics whether it's athlete can compete in

:33:53.:33:53.

Rio whether it's athlete can compete in

:33:54.:33:56.

Murray is back in action whether it's athlete can compete in

:33:57.:34:02.

taking on the wild card Matias Borg. He fought back from two sets down to

:34:03.:34:06.

beat the oldest man in the draw, Radek Stepanek. Kyle Edmund and

:34:07.:34:12.

Heather Watson both play today. Jose Mourinho's representatives will

:34:13.:34:18.

continue talks with Manchester United officials today. He is

:34:19.:34:21.

expected to be the manager by the end of the week. Scotland's Kim

:34:22.:34:29.

Liddle has been voted the BBC's women's Footballer of the Year. She

:34:30.:34:37.

dropped the supporters polled become the second winner of the BBC World

:34:38.:34:39.

Service award. He was once one of the biggest stars

:34:40.:34:48.

of US television but the actor The performer, who starred

:34:49.:34:55.

and sexually assaulted a woman The District Attorney

:34:56.:35:03.

is Kevin Steele. We are here because we want to serve

:35:04.:35:24.

the truth and seek justice. The evidence in this case is of a

:35:25.:35:29.

limited basis, a preliminary hearing is a situation where we only have to

:35:30.:35:34.

show that if a crime is committed and a defendant is connected to the

:35:35.:35:39.

crime... We did that was the victim statement and defendant's admissions

:35:40.:35:45.

to much of the crime. Consequently, we will move forward on the case and

:35:46.:35:48.

look forward to getting a trial date.

:35:49.:35:51.

Well one of his alleged victims is Victoria Valentino.

:35:52.:35:54.

Now in her 70s, she told me how she first met Bill Cosby after one

:35:55.:35:59.

of her girlfriends had told her that she could get a job

:36:00.:36:02.

Cosby has denied he sexually assaulted any women. The Tory talks

:36:03.:36:15.

about what happens to her. -- Victoria.

:36:16.:36:16.

You may find some of her story upsetting.

:36:17.:36:20.

I went and interviewed with him in his trailer and she said, take that

:36:21.:36:30.

picture of Tony, my little boy. We were sitting across from him and it

:36:31.:36:37.

was like, it was like talking to a cardboard cutout. It started to

:36:38.:36:43.

become very uncomfortable and it was clear I wasn't going to get an

:36:44.:36:46.

audition. The interview was basically over. So I got up and

:36:47.:36:52.

left, never expecting to see him again or expecting to get a call for

:36:53.:36:57.

an audition. I walked away from it and moved on. You did meet him

:36:58.:37:06.

again? What happened after that? My grandmother died shortly thereafter

:37:07.:37:13.

and I moved into her house in West Hollywood with three roommates. One

:37:14.:37:20.

of them was an actress and she liked to go over to cafe Figaro. He said

:37:21.:37:30.

to her, I think, Vicky, they called me then, he said I think the key

:37:31.:37:34.

would benefit from a massage and going to the steam bath and B treat

:37:35.:37:42.

you girls. He said, why don't you take her and when you are done, give

:37:43.:37:46.

me a call and I will take you girls out to dinner. He said I think it

:37:47.:37:55.

will make Vicky feel better. So that's what we did. We went home to

:37:56.:38:01.

my grandmother's has where we were living and my girlfriend, roommate

:38:02.:38:07.

called him. He sent a car for us and we were delivered to a restaurant on

:38:08.:38:11.

the Sunset strip and he met hers in the parking lot and took us down to

:38:12.:38:16.

the Dilla, to have dinner with him. It was in a unkept kind of setting.

:38:17.:38:28.

-- banquette kind of setting. My friend was in the middle. It was

:38:29.:38:34.

clear at that point that he was interested in her and he was

:38:35.:38:40.

charming her and chatting her up and telling silly jokes. It became very

:38:41.:38:47.

clear I was just the fifth wheel. He was interested in her and I was the

:38:48.:38:52.

excuse. It was just obvious. He was not really talking to me and I

:38:53.:38:56.

became sort of a wet blanket. He reached over and put a pill down

:38:57.:39:03.

next to my wine glass and next to hers and told us to take it, he said

:39:04.:39:08.

it would make us feel better. I was feeling like, I was dragging

:39:09.:39:15.

everybody down so I took the pill, thinking, you know, maybe I will

:39:16.:39:20.

feel better. I was desperate to feel better. I was really despondent. Do

:39:21.:39:28.

you know what the pill was? No. How did it make you feel? I started to

:39:29.:39:33.

get very groggy and I started to feel nauseated. I started feeling

:39:34.:39:39.

like I was spinning, my head was spinning and I couldn't keep my face

:39:40.:39:47.

out of my plate. I started to say, I really want to go home. He reached

:39:48.:39:52.

across and put another pill in my mouth and hers and he appeared to be

:39:53.:40:03.

also taking a pill himself. Whether or not that actually occurred, I

:40:04.:40:06.

don't remember. I don't know. Maybe he was making it seem as though it

:40:07.:40:13.

was a group... A party or something. I don't know. But anyway, she and I

:40:14.:40:21.

were both getting our heads... We could not keep our heads up. We were

:40:22.:40:26.

trying to talk and not making any sense and slurring our words. He

:40:27.:40:34.

said, I will take you home. All of a sudden, the car stopped and we were

:40:35.:40:39.

in front of a little town house. He said he wanted to show her his

:40:40.:40:48.

awards from I Spy, so I think we went on the second floor and it was

:40:49.:40:55.

clearly not working office. It was a room with two love seats and a

:40:56.:41:02.

little writing desk and an old, fake... One of those fake antique

:41:03.:41:07.

telephones and a little desk lamp. She went straight over to one love

:41:08.:41:12.

seat and sat down and then just keeled over. I sat on the other,

:41:13.:41:19.

right in front of the front door. I put my head back and tried to keep

:41:20.:41:24.

myself from passing out, throwing up. Trying to control the spinning

:41:25.:41:31.

in my head. Then everything got very silent and I started becoming

:41:32.:41:35.

alarmed. I thought maybe somehow I had passed out. So I opened my eyes

:41:36.:41:43.

and looked around and he was sitting next to her unconscious body and

:41:44.:41:51.

looking down at her, like a hawk, looking at a little Max. It became

:41:52.:41:58.

very obvious what he was planning. It was Terry clear and then, he

:41:59.:42:06.

started having a bulge in his pants and that was obvious and I was

:42:07.:42:12.

reaching out and trying, garbling my words but trying to distract him. He

:42:13.:42:19.

ignored me. He got very irritated and he got up and came over to me

:42:20.:42:27.

and I stood up and had to steady myself and the next thing I knew,

:42:28.:42:34.

and I stood up and had to steady had raped me, orally and vaginally

:42:35.:42:44.

and then he left. As he was going out of the door, I said, how are we

:42:45.:42:50.

going to get home? And he said, call the camp. The scene you are

:42:51.:43:01.

describing, he was very famous, he would have attracted attention. It

:43:02.:43:06.

took you obviously, over the years, until almost being in your 70s to

:43:07.:43:13.

start talking about this publicly. How did you feel when you looked at

:43:14.:43:17.

him and you knew something about him that you didn't think anybody else

:43:18.:43:21.

knew? I'd use to make a lot of sarcastic

:43:22.:43:28.

knew? I'd use to make a lot of television mentioned him or if his

:43:29.:43:29.

image crossed the screen, I would get up and leave the room or turn it

:43:30.:43:36.

off. He is 78 now and facing legal proceedings. We saw him being led

:43:37.:43:45.

into court by his spokesman, leaning on his spokesman. He has problems

:43:46.:43:47.

with his site. An old man. on his spokesman. He has problems

:43:48.:43:54.

look at him in that situation, going into court to face trial, how do you

:43:55.:44:01.

feel now? I think he is pathetic and I think he is the terrific actor.

:44:02.:44:06.

feel now? I think he is pathetic and was only up until

:44:07.:44:12.

feel now? I think he is pathetic and ago, he did

:44:13.:44:14.

feel now? I think he is pathetic and over the country. He is not as

:44:15.:44:23.

feeble as he pretends to be. Do you wish you had raised a complaint

:44:24.:44:32.

sooner? I don't know. What I do know is that for many years, most of us

:44:33.:44:42.

thought we were the only one and we didn't realise that we had been

:44:43.:44:45.

victimised by a serial predator. That was Victoria Valentino talking

:44:46.:44:56.

to me earlier. She was out of time for those allocations to be pursued

:44:57.:45:01.

but Bill Cosby will face a criminal trial, facing three counts of

:45:02.:45:08.

felony, indecent assault from a case in 2004. He denies the allegations.

:45:09.:45:14.

Could Russian athletes be banned from this year's Rio Olympics?

:45:15.:45:16.

That's the question on the lips of many after it was revealed that

:45:17.:45:19.

14 out of the 31 athletes who had samples from the 2008

:45:20.:45:22.

Beijing Olympics re-tested are Russian.

:45:23.:45:23.

The International Olympic Committee had earlier said it was looking

:45:24.:45:26.

Earlier this month a whistleblower alleged Russian Secret Agents helped

:45:27.:45:30.

protect some athletes at the 2104 Sochi Olympics.

:45:31.:45:34.

The world Anti-Doping Agency is now investigating those claims.

:45:35.:45:40.

The BBC's Sports Editor, Dan Roan has been to Moscow to find out more.

:45:41.:45:44.

This week's Modern Pentathlon World Championships, in Moscow,

:45:45.:45:49.

just one of the many global events Russia plays host to.

:45:50.:45:55.

But the action takes place against a backdrop

:45:56.:45:57.

Today, it was revealed that 14 of 31 athletes from the 2008 Olympics

:45:58.:46:03.

who failed recent retests of their doping samples

:46:04.:46:08.

were Russians - London 2012 gold medallist

:46:09.:46:10.

This afternoon, during rare behind-the-scenes access granted

:46:11.:46:15.

to us by the Russian authorities, the Sports Minister tried

:46:16.:46:17.

Almost half of the 31 being Russians, not good at all?

:46:18.:46:27.

TRANSLATION: Certainly, it doesn't look good.

:46:28.:46:29.

But take into account the fact that the Russian national team

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is the second-biggest after the USA, and represented by many leaders

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So this doesn't give an objective picture of the doping

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In 2014, a German documentary alleged that 99% of Russian

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An independent commission, finding the country guilty

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In November, Russia's athletes were banned

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Tonight, our sport finds itself in a shameful situation.

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But the crisis has now deepened - a former drugs testing chief

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claiming he ran a doping conspiracy at the Sochi Winter Games in 2014.

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This anonymous looking building is Moscow's

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1400 samples were allegedly destroyed here to cover up doping.

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Its licence has been revoked, but allowing us in here

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is all designed to show that Russia is cleaning up its act.

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So, this is it, the place where it all happened.

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This lab, the epicentre of what is alleged to have

:47:32.:47:34.

been a state-sponsored and sophisticated doping programme.

:47:35.:47:38.

With a decision on Russia's participation in Rio looming

:47:39.:47:44.

and less than a month away, every fresh claim of wrongdoing

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makes a humiliating exclusion from sport's flagship

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You can see from our statistics that we had 150-200

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So, of course, the number is quite big.

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So I think we needed changes and we are open

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It's wrong to have drug cheats anywhere near the Olympics.

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If the way to stamp it out and stop it is to, this year,

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remove a country that has been proven to be doing what they have

:48:17.:48:19.

been doing, in my opinion, that's the right way to go about it.

:48:20.:48:22.

But one of the country's most celebrated athlete says that Russia

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Speaking from her home in Volgograd, pole vaulter Yelena Isinbayeva

:48:25.:48:30.

told me a ban would be a violation of her human rights.

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I feel very sad, disappointed and, of course, very angry.

:48:35.:48:38.

Because all that is going on now, it's unfair.

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My opinion is that it's totally unfair.

:48:43.:48:45.

Russia says it will criminalise doping, but with the results dueof

:48:46.:48:50.

more retests of samples taken from London 2012, the country

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could well lose more medals and any remaining chance its athletes have

:48:54.:48:56.

of competing on sport's grandest stage.

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Let's speak now to Dr Tom Bassindale who is an anti-doping scientist

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He is in our Sheffield studio and in Berlin we have Hajo Seppelt,

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who is the man behind "The Doping Secret:

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He also made 'Doping - Top Secret: The Shadowy

:49:14.:49:16.

What's your reaction to the news that 14 athletes are Russian?

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Well the evidence is overwhelming that we have a state-sponsored

:49:37.:49:43.

system in Russia maybe since decades going on. The Russians have cheated

:49:44.:49:53.

and betrayed sport. From my point of view it is not unfair to exclude the

:49:54.:49:59.

Russians. I think it would be unfair to let them allow to compete.

:50:00.:50:04.

Because we are talking about a drug system, a doping system for years

:50:05.:50:09.

and many athletes have suffered from it in other countries and I think it

:50:10.:50:13.

would be fair now to exclude the Russians and to say very clearly

:50:14.:50:18.

that a state-run system means we cannot trust that athletes from this

:50:19.:50:23.

country are clean and so they have to be excluded. That is my opinion.

:50:24.:50:29.

If it is state -run as you talk about, are the numbers we are hear

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about quite small in terms of what you believe the picture to be? The

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picture is much bigger and we have documented that in our films and

:50:42.:50:46.

German television and we can talk about widespread doping and it is

:50:47.:50:52.

not only with athletics, but other sports and the famous whistle blower

:50:53.:51:01.

offered his video recordings for television in 2014. He was working

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for the Russian anti-doping agency and the name of the agency and it

:51:06.:51:13.

was not only responsible for athletics, but for all sports in

:51:14.:51:15.

Russia. He could report us and he athletics, but for all sports in

:51:16.:51:24.

up of doping, the doping itself, was more or less... Supported by some

:51:25.:51:30.

officials. We lost you for a moment. I'm going to bring in Tom. I think

:51:31.:51:34.

we have a couple of problems on your line. Is this unfairly tarnishing

:51:35.:51:42.

all Russian athletes? Well the evidence that was provided by the

:51:43.:51:52.

Stepanovs showed mass Corr cover up of the doping offences, the clip you

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played some 14 hundred samples were destroyed rather than analysed. So

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it shows a widespread use of doping. They have the highest number of

:52:07.:52:11.

athletes serving doping bans out of all of the international athletes

:52:12.:52:17.

currently. And you know this is 10 from the 2008 games additional

:52:18.:52:19.

tested positive. The results of 2012 retests are coming shortly as well.

:52:20.:52:27.

So it doesn't appear to be that unfair to suggest there is

:52:28.:52:31.

widespread doping. So do you think that there should be a Russian team

:52:32.:52:38.

at Rio? Well it is hard to imagine what more they need to do wrong

:52:39.:52:42.

before they're excluded from the games. After years of covers up and

:52:43.:52:49.

the laboratories not analysing the samples, or destroying them that we

:52:50.:52:55.

have heard about repeatedly and the tests being covered up, it is hard

:52:56.:53:00.

to see what more they need to do before they're not allowed to

:53:01.:53:05.

compete. Are things changing in Russia now a light has been shone? I

:53:06.:53:11.

don't think that big things have changed. They try their best some of

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them, some top officials, because they realise more and more that it

:53:17.:53:21.

will be a very hard decision. Maybe not in favour of the Russians. So

:53:22.:53:26.

they do their best what they can do to improve the situation. The

:53:27.:53:35.

decision that Russian ex-dopers will not be allowed to compete at Rio

:53:36.:53:41.

shows they want to solve the problem, at least some of them. But

:53:42.:53:46.

we don't talk about top officials, we talk about the whole country. It

:53:47.:53:48.

is the biggest country in the we talk about the whole country. It

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There is 10,000 athletes. We talk about a culture and a tradition of

:53:54.:53:59.

doping in that country for decades. To change that within a few months

:54:00.:54:04.

is impossible. I can tell you that, because I'm coming from Germany and

:54:05.:54:10.

in Germany we had a state-run system in east Germany in the 70s and 80s.

:54:11.:54:22.

It was a Prussian way and worked very well and it was maybe even

:54:23.:54:27.

worse than the Russian system which we experienced F you would have been

:54:28.:54:33.

aware in the 70s and 80s that the east Germans did it in this way,

:54:34.:54:38.

they should have been excluded also. I don't see any difference. Thank

:54:39.:54:40.

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across the world's economy. But at the Innorobo exhibition

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in Paris this week, the focus is on so-called "Cobots" -

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who are altogether less threatening. Our technology guru

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Rory Cellan-Jones is there. Tell us what they are then Rory.

:55:35.:55:47.

Well, all sorts of robots here doing all sorts of things, but kind

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friendly things like there is up with being an estate agent. He runs

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this robot. Minimum amount I want to spend 50,000. You are looking to

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spend. I want to spend a million. Which area are you looking for a

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property. Reading. Nice. How many kilometres would you be willing to

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live from the centre? 25. Sounds good. Thank you. If you give me a

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moment I will show you the properties that match your criteria.

:56:22.:56:26.

She is going to show me a lot of properties. Why do we want to

:56:27.:56:34.

interact with a robot estate agent? This gives us an alternative method

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of helping a customer if a human assistant is not available. Are they

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friendly. I believe they're very friendly. I think people will enjoy

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interacting with them. This robot is Pepper. Julian, this is already in

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Japan, what is it going do, where will we see it. You will see Pepper

:56:59.:57:05.

in all customer locations, shops, transport, tourism, agent

:57:06.:57:08.

circumstances hotels, many locations in which Pepper can give information

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to customers or get information from them. What we are providing to

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physical locations is to way to compete with the internet. Pepper

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can deliver accurate information and collect a lot of information from

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you. And better adapt the customer journey and promote the right

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product. It is great in Japan, are we in Europe a bit suspicious of

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them. We are frightened of these thing and think they might take our

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jobs. People are not suspicious. What Pepper is doing is

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complementary so what people are doing actually. Pepper is not taking

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anybody's job. Pepper is doing repetitive things like greeting

:57:53.:57:56.

people in a store and doing always the same thing. OK. So that is

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Pepper. She can dance too. I won't dance with her. She is not a bad

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dancer though. Thank you very much.

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