11/07/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

On the programme today - what goes on inside

He loves you very much. I have no feeling. I don't even want to

remember. There are estimated to be around

30 such courts here. We've been given exclusive

access inside one. Watch the full report

at 0915 this morning. Plus - in-fighting and angst amongst

both Labour and Conservatives Mr Corbyn's challengers say it is

not just about toppling the leader, it is about saving the Labour Party.

Mr Corbyn's team say, bring it on. We'll talk to MPs supporting

all four leadership candidates - Tories' Theresa May

and Andrea Leadsom, and Labour's Plus our audience of floating voters

are here to deliver their verdict on who they'd trust

most as Prime Minister. And he's done it again -

Andy Murray wins Wimbledon Along with the cup, he's immediately

lifted everyone's mood. I've had some great moments here,

and some tough losses, and the wins feel special because of the tough

losses. I'm proud to have my hands on the trophy again.

As always, really keen to hear from you on all the stories

we're talking about - particularly if you have any

Do get in touch in the usual ways - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE.

And if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

Bitter disputes and divisions emerge in both the Tory

In the Conservative race - Angela Leadsom apologises

to Teresa May after she was accused of suggesting that being a mother

made her a better candidate for prime minister.

Mrs May of course does not have children.

And in the Labour contest, the former shadow business secretary

Angela Eagle launches her challenge to Jeremy Corbyn.

He says backing down would betray the thousands of Labour party

Our political expert is Norman Smith.

It is quite a time in British politics.

Extraordinary. We have three leadership contest, Ukip are having

their still. In spite of the bad-mouthing and acrimony, actually,

Labour MPs tend by and large to be reluctant to fight. If you look back

at other leaders who have been regarded as not being great, they

have not moved against them. They are moving against Jeremy Corbyn.

The reason for that isn't so much because of things like Trident or

his stance on austerity, it is partly because they think, he can't

win. More than that, they believe he doesn't actually think Parliament is

that important, that what he thinks is important is building a mass

movement outside of Parliament with broader social forces gathered to

campaign for change. Parliament is just an add-on. For most Labour MPs,

the only way to achieve changes by winning an election, getting into

Government and introducing legislation. For them, it is as

fundamental as that. Bluntly, they see as about saving the Labour

Party. They believe Jeremy Corbyn is leading the Labour Party to total

destruction. If they failed to save the Labour Party, to use you watch,

because Angela Eagle could well lose a leadership contest against Jeremy

Corbyn, what happens to Labour? Because they view it as so start,

they are not going to stop. They are willing to do anything and

everything to stop Jeremy Corbyn because they think it is a survival

for -- a battle for the survival of the party. They have said, if Angeli

Eagle loses, we will put up another contender and another until we get

rid of this man because he represents a threat not just to

individual Labour policies but to the very idea of the Labour Party as

a functioning opposition and a credible Government. I'm afraid it

looks to me as though we are in for a long, slow, bloody war of

attrition. You are wondering where this will end up. This may in itself

destroy the Labour Party. In terms of the Conservative leadership race,

I have been reading an interview with Andrea Leadsom where she has

said sorry to Theresa May for the comments regarding being a mother

meaning she had a very real stake in the future of the country. She

texted Theresa May after all the publicity given to that interview in

the Times. Theresa May texted her back to say thank you very much. Mrs

May never took offence, apparently. She never read the article in the

way other people dead. There is a view amongst Mrs Leadsom's people

that there is a black Ops operation to damage her. I think, at the very

least, you have to say, talking in this territory is always going to be

dangerous. You have to be very careful what you say. So, at the

very least, it suggests a degree of naivete and inexperience. Experience

is one of the critique all things in this contest. Whoever takes over

will be in the mother of all the gutsy Asians over Brexit, so you

need someone who is calm under pressure. -- the mother of all

negotiations over Brexit. It is still an issue, even though she has

apologised and Mrs May has accepted. More from Norman throughout the

programme. We will talk to are floating voters, the very people who

will decide who should be the next British Prime Minister come the next

general election, whenever that may be.

We have filmed inside a Sharia Court. More on that throughout the

programme. Barnardo's has found that young people who go on to sexually

abuse have already been sexually abused themselves by another. Young

people... Millions of items of data are being shared every day, and it

is not feasible to control it. We will need to educate our children

and have more parental involvement in helping to make sure that

children grow up understanding what is and is not appropriate before

they get in trouble. Demonstrations continue in the United States after

last week's shooting by police of two black men. And the Dallas sniper

attack in which five police officers died. In Baton Rouge and Louisiana,

dozens of protesters chanted, black lives matter. They waved banners and

they had a stand-off with police. Officers in riot gear warned people

they would be arrested if they did not leave. One resident allowed

protesters to take refuge on her front lawn as police began to make

arrests. Up to 40 people were raised -- wordy Tain. The man who shot dead

five police offers is in Dallas was planning a bigger attack. -- were

detained. Rail passengers are protesting at

London's Victoria Station today as suburban rail -- as Southern rail

dart-mac the company has been plagued by staff shortages and the

threat of industrial action. It says that by cutting 341 trains a day for

a month it'll become more resilient. The Chancellor George Osborne is in

New York today to try to reassure bankers who are worried about

Britain leaving the EU. In an article for the Wall Street Journal,

he's as it is time for Britain and the United states to strengthen

economic ties further. He says Britain has been a voice for free

trade inside the EU and will now be its voice worldwide. The parents of

a man whose car was struck at high speed have put the wreckage on

display outside Parliament today as part of a campaign for stiffer

sentencing of dangerous drivers. The man was in a 30 miles an hour zone

in Rochdale when his car was hit by a driver who went through a red

light at 80 mph. The driver was jailed for six years and is likely

to serve half his sentence. The victim's father says the law needs

to change. It is very upsetting. It is just like we have been kicked in

the teeth twice. You lose your son, and then the legal system that you

trust in let you down, too. The United Nations security council has

asked South Sudan's neighbours to help end heavy fighting in the

capital. International aid agencies are on lockdown and non-even Nash --

Nonie -- nonessential staff have been evacuated.

More News at 930. Quite a few of you have been getting

in touch with us about Sharia courts. Nick says: Where are the

women on these councils? Ken says: Sharia Law has no place in this

country. I always thought we had law courts and divorce courts already.

Surely Sharia courts are illegal. One viewer says it is disgusting

that you are even covering this. Get in touch with us. We will hear

from Andy Murray live at around 1030 this morning. Tim has all the

details on that magnificent Wimbledon win.

Magnificent indeed. Forget those Monday blues today. Andy Murray is

the Wimbledon champion for the second time. He beat Canadian Milos

Raonic in straight sets to win his third grand slam title. He also has

the -- he also has the Olympic medal from 2012 and the Davis Cup. He won

that first Wimbledon title three years ago. He says he will make the

most of it this time around. When I won the first time, I was just so

relieved to have done it that I didn't enjoy the moment as much as I

should have done. I'm not going to make that mistake again. I will

enjoy this one. It has been a long few years since I won a slam. What

do you do when you win the biggest prize in tennis for the second time?

Champagne? Take an ice bath, of course. And his mum Judy was pretty

chuffed, too. That's my boy, she tweeted. Not only was Murray crowned

champion, Heather Watson also won the mixed doubles title. Her and her

partner had only played together for the first time last week. They won

7-6, 6-4. I can't stop smiling, I just can't describe how happy I am,

Watson said afterwards. And there were two more happy Brits on final

stage. Gordon Reid and Jordan Wiley won the wheelchair singles and

doubles titles respectively. Four British winners in Wimbledon in one

day. As good as it gets, surely. It wasn't just tennis yesterday.

Another massive sports story happened yesterday. Portugal stunned

the hosts France to win Euro 2016. The final will be remembered for

Cristiano Ronaldo's tears, and my favourite, a moth. Thousands of them

swarmed the stadium because the floodlights had been left on all

night. The uninvited guests had been attracted to the light. Cristiano

Ronaldo had to be stretchered off. You can see his emotion. True to

form, one of the moths even got in on the action as Ronaldo sat on the

pitch. It didn't take long for social media to spring into at this

one. At our last count, there were 43 Twitter accounts called Ronaldo's

moth. They have thousands of followers, and the moth caught the

attention of a few high-profile tweeters, too. Ricky Jove ace

reckons that the insect is in line for the next season of Big Brother.

Richard Osman remarked that with a life expectancy of 15 days, this

would be the only football match the moth would see.

Eder's effort broke the hearts of French fans. Perhaps the match will

be known for that moth, which has won the moth of the match award.

This bulletin has been a career highlight for me. Andy Murray wins

Wimbledon for the second time and I have to talk about the moths! Thank

you. This morning: what goes

on inside Britain's Sharia courts? We've been given exclusive

access to one. Officially called Sharia councils,

there are around 30 across the UK. They make rulings based

on Sharia or Islamic law. Most cases involve women wanting

to end their Islamic marriage. The councils aren't recognised

by the UK system, Sharia law doesn't supercede British law,

and they operate on a voluntary basis involving the consent

of both parties. In her role as Home Secretary,

Theresa May, the now front runner to be the next leader

of the Conservative Party and the next Prime Minister,

ordered a review of Sharia councils following concerns about

decisions which appeared Most operate inside mosques and it's

extremely rare to be council in Birmingham we see

judges asking one woman whether she "couldn't just forget"

years of physical abuse she's This from our reporter

Jean McKenzie. Are you feeling insecure

that he can hurt you? If I see him, suddenly

all my body start shaking. Britain's Sharia councils

are under scrutiny. They operate across

the country deciding on family matters using

Islamic or Sharia law. We were unhappy,

mostly I was unhappy. Because I wanted to have

respect in my life. Mainly they hear from Muslim women

wanting to end their They cannot go to civil courts

because the marriages are They come here in order

to resolve those problems, issues,

in the sight of God. But the government is concerned

that they may be discriminating It is now investigating

whether Sharia law is Even from those that

are considered quite good, women have come to us

with negative stories. Some of these are very vulnerable

women and they should be We have been given rare

access to one council to get an insight into how they work

and spoken to the women who use We would just like you to briefly

tell us what has been the

issue in the marriage? Each month a panel of

Islamic scholars meet in a side room of Birmingham Central

Mosque with a full day of cases to And you say that this marriage was

not consummated. Today, all the cases

are women wanting a divorce, some here

for the first time, others may have been

speaking to the Council for months. My passport has been taken off me

and I was not allowed to use my Najeen has come to escape

a forced marriage. You have got to give your body

and everything to them, you know. You have every right not to live in

a marriage that you don't want to live in.

This is regarded as one of the better

There are around 30 of them across the UK, sometimes

The judges make rulings based on Islam which

are not recognised by the British system.

It is a shame that she had to go through all of that, but

this marriage, there really is no grounds for this marriage to be

After having her case considered, she gets her divorce.

We have decided this marriage to be finished

Not all divorces are granted this easily, and some

councils have been fiercely criticised for the way that they

We have been given a number of testimonials from women who were too

I wanted a divorce because my husband used to

Sharia Council for divorce, they pressured me to mediation which I

I had mediation with one of the local religious advisers

and I had to visit this man alone at his home.

He asked me really personal questions about my sex

life, and when I told him about the rapes,

he said that polygamy was allowed.

He said, be patient, you have lasted 22 years, why do you

I'm quite concerned about the way that Sharia

councils sometimes treat women, purely because of the cases that we

get on the helpline and they come in regularly.

At this helpline for Muslim women, a large number of the

Women have said, I just don't understand why

they went into such detail, there was no need to go into that much

detail unless they get some sort of thrill out of asking women these

questions or making them feel uncomfortable as a bit of a

I do feel that sometimes Muslim women are discriminated

I think what is interesting for us is that

there is no good and bad Sharia councils.

Because sometimes we will say this one is not very good and

this one is much better but even for those

considered quite good, women

have come to us with negative stories.

Often it is because they have had an Islamic marriage without

also having a civil, legally binding one.

Under Islam, a man can end this marriage himself, but a woman

We got married, I was 15, and it was an arranged marriage.

Yes we moved to Iran because of the Taliban and at

Back in Birmingham, the council hears from Yasmina who also

It started with argument every day almost.

I think if I went to the English court, you know, they would

say, where is the right to decide about my life?

So now, he can't say anything, because the decision has been made

A lot of women who come here are really under quite

And we try to do as much as possible, to help them.

They really wouldn't have anywhere to go, so it is

crucial that we provide this service.

If we have left them in these miserable situations,

distraught, they don't know what to do and where to go and often

He was a different person with me you know,

he was always angry, he wanted everything his way.

But what was it that made you decide to separate?

The biggest concern about the councils

In some extreme cases women have been refused

divorces from violent marriages and instead told to mediate with

I applied to a Sharia Council for a divorce after

suffering domestic violence, and I was told that

I needed to attend the council with my husband.

I told them I couldn't, I was in danger, there

were injunctions stopping him from going anywhere near me.

But despite my protests, the Sharia Council

They refused to accept that I was in fear

They then insisted that I brought along two Muslim witnesses

to confirm that I was telling the truth.

My husband didn't require any witnesses.

We feel that in incidences of domestic violence in

particular, where the woman does not want to mediate, she makes it very

clear, there should be no pressure whatsoever because in fact by

bringing them together in one room, you could be putting them in danger,

particularly if there is non-molestation orders.

Do you think that there are some councils out there, who

aren't treating women in the best way?

I regularly hear about that, and I'm sad to hear those cases.

Do you think that there are any

councils are concerned, women decide themselves,

And if they choose to decide that this council

equally they can withdraw very easily.

Do you feel secure or unsecured that he can hurt you?

If I see him suddenly all my body start

shaking and I can't change it, unfortunately.

For years I tried and I worked hard in this country along

Yes but it isn't enough, it doesn't have any

Is it not possible to forget all the things?

Despite Yasmina's insistence, the council

wants to be sure that the

I have no feeling, I don't even want to

In the previous meeting we had with your husband, he

was insisting that I would do anything.

my wife as well and I have always loved her, and I love my children

Our first objective here is to try and focus on the family.

What we will do is we will discuss now for five minutes if

Getting this sort of access to a council is

extremely rare, most hearings take place in private.

And there are no rules and regulations they have to

The government has commissioned a review to try and

It wants to find out whether Sharia law is being

Do you think that the government is going

I'm not sure if the review will lead to

anything because at the end of the day I am guessing

that they will come up with some examples of good

practice, highlight some of the bad practice, and come up

But who is going to force these bodies to implement

What would you like to say to the government

If they want to help the women, to come on board and see

what is going on, how it is being helped, and you

know, coming out of oppressive, oppressive situations.

Which would otherwise be impossible for them.

Looking at all of the circumstances and everything you

have gone through, we have all unanimously decided, that your

When they announced, I felt that something

Because they cared about my emotions.

I thought, finally, I have got my freedom.

Both these women have got what they wanted but it has

But this system doesn't work for everyone.

I paid the Sharia Council ?170 and after

two years, still didn't have my divorce.

It is to clear that standards vary and the lack of

But very few in this community think that getting rid of councils is the

answer. Instead it is improving the rights of Muslim women so they don't

need to come here in the first place. I had done it for so long, I

felt like I was hitting my head against a brick wall. Once hearing

is over, this woman decides to openly about her experience.

If they weren't here, women would be trapped. It is the best thing I have

done. Later in the programme, we will be

talking to a Sharia judge. If you have a question for her, get in

touch. You will also be able to watch the conversation on the BBC

News Facebook account. Send your questions. I am really keen to hear

from you if you have used a Sharia council. What was the reason you

used it and what was the outcome? Thank you for your many comments.

Phil says: It is disgusting of your programme and the BBC. You are

glamorising these disgusting illegal Muslim courts. I hope the new

Government takes your funding away. Another viewer says: Men and women

are equal in the eyes of God and in the 21st-century, Sharia courts are

ridiculous. Another viewer says: We should be encouraging communities to

integrate. Shame on you, Victoria, for allowing this terrible practice

to be aired on British television. Get in touch. You can text us or

send an e-mail. Still to come: As Labour

and Tory members argue over who should lead them,

our audience here in the studio debates who, out of all of them,

should lead the country. And we'll bring you live

an interview with Andy Murray a day after he lifted the Wimbledon Trophy

for a second glorious time Here's Joanna Gosling

in the BBC Newsroom Angela Eagle is to formally launch

her leadership challenge against Jeremy Corbyn. She says she intends

to save the Labour Party by making it relevant again. Mr Corbyn refused

to step down after losing the support of most of his MPs in a vote

of no-confidence. It will be decided this week whether Mr Corbyn needs

the support of 50 sitting MPs of whether as leader he will

automatically be on the ballot. I have lodged my papers with the

general secretary today to launch this challenge, and I am very much

looking forward to launching my campaign later today. The

Conservative leadership contender Andrea Leadsom says she has

apologised to Theresa May for any hurt she caused with her comments

about the importance of having children. Mrs Leadsom says she has

felt under attack since the remarks were published, describing the

experience as shattering. We have been given rare permission

to film inside a Sharia Corp. There are 30 of these across the UK, and

they make rulings on Islamic law, most cases involving women who want

to end their Islamic marriage. The courts are not recognised by this

country's legal system and they operate on a voluntary basis. We

filmed inside one Sharia Court in Birmingham.

Demonstrations have been continuing in the United States following last

week's shooting by police of two black men, and the Dallas sniper

attack in which five police officers died.

In Baton Rouge in Louisiana dozens of protesters chanted "black lives

matter" and waved banners as they were involved

The parents of a man who died when his car was struck at high

speed will put the wreckage on display at Westminster today

as part of their campaign for stiffer sentences.

Joseph Brown-Lartey was in a 30 zone when his car was hit by a driver

who went through a red light at 80 miles an hour, in

Addil Haroon was jailed for six years but is likely

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

Here's some sport now with Tim Haigh.

What a weekend it's been for British sport.

Andy Murray is the new Wimbledon champion.

He beat Milos Raonic in straight sets yesterday to win the title

But Murray was one of four Brits who won a Wimbledon title yesterday.

Heather Watson in the mixed doubles, Gordon Reid in the wheelchair

singles and Jordanne Whiley in the wheelchair doubles.

Lewis Hamilton won his fourth British Grand Prix. He is one point

B high Nico Rosberg in the driver's championship.

It's a rest day at the Tour de France today, and two British riders

are sitting pretty at the top of the overall standings.

It's a rest day at the Tour de France today, and two British riders

Chris Froome is 16 seconds ahead of Adam Yates.

Britain came back from the European athletics championship with 16

medals, their best performance. And Portugal beat France to win Euro

2016. Cristiano Ronaldo may have been stretchered off early, but

substitute Eder scored the only goal in extra time.

It's two and a half weeks since the UK voted to leave the EU.

And Labour, the Conservatives and UKIP are all looking

Our political guru Norman Smith is here.

Let's start with Labour. Do you like happy endings?

I love them. Well, you will not like what is

happening in the Labour Party. It looks like they are heading for an

almighty bunfight. Jeremy Corbyn says he is going nowhere. Around 80%

of his MPs are saying, you have to go. And then you have the party in

the country saying, we like this guy, we voted for him and we don't

want him to go. I don't think it will be a happy ending. Let's look

at where we are now, with the two contenders that are likely to be up

against each other - Jeremy Corbyn and Angela Eagle. Let's have a look

at the policy areas where they differ between each other. Brexit -

Jeremy Corbyn was meant to be campaigning to stay in the EU, but

many in the Labour Party think he was lacklustre and didn't really

throw himself into it. By the way, he has always been a long-time

sceptical stop Angela Eagle, on the other hand, like many people in the

Labour Party, is very enthusiastic about the EU because she thinks it

is a way of protecting basic employment rights. One of their main

criticisms is they think that the referendum may have been lost

because Jeremy Corbyn did not try hard enough to galvanise Labour

voters. Another key issue - Iraq. Jeremy Corbyn has always been

opposed to the Iraq war, being part of the stop the War campaign. After

the Chilcot report he apologised on behalf of the Labour Party and said

those responsible should face the consequences. Angela Eagle voted for

the Iraq war. Although now she says she had known then what we all more

now, given the Chilcot report, she would not have supported, she did

back it at the time. Another big issue - Trident. Jeremy Corbyn has

always been very clear that he does not believe in nuclear weapons. He

wants to get rid of them and he wants the Labour Party to campaign

to get rid of them. Angela Eagle has never been in favour of scrapping

Trident, believing, like many Labour MPs, that having a nuclear deterrent

is absolutely critical to our defences. Then maybe the biggest

issue - Moment. It was set up in the wake of Jeremy Corbyn's leadership

campaign. It is made up of his supporters. It was for people who

maybe don't want to join the Labour Party to join Momentum to campaign

for change. Angela Eagle and many Labour MPs view momentum as Militant

on stilts. They see it as a way of getting people from the Socialist

workers party, the revolution recon is barred and others into the Labour

Party to try to put -- the Revolutionary Communist Party and

others entered the Labour Party in order to split it. Many Labour MPs

just think that Jeremy Corbyn is just not up to the job.

And the Conservatives? There is a comparison, because we

have a showdown between Theresa May and Andrea Leadsom, but some of Mrs

May's supporters are saying, Andrea Leadsom is our Jeremy Corbyn. Their

argument is that she is the darling of the party grass roots, but her

views don't really chime with the electorate and she doesn't have much

support amongst MPs. They all say it sounds a bit like Jeremy Corbyn.

Some of the policy differences between the two of them. On Europe,

Andrea Leadsom was one of the big voices of the Brexit campaign. She

was thought to have done incredibly well in those television debates and

says that if you're serious about Brexit, you should vote for someone

who campaign for it. Theresa May, well, she was campaigning to remain,

but she kept a pretty low profile throughout the whole campaign. Let's

look at some of the other key differences. Gay marriage is another

area where to Reza may -- where Theresa May supports the changes

introduced by David Cameron. She has long campaigned against the Tory

party being seen as what she calls the nasty party. Andrea Leadsom

abstained on that key vote on gay marriage, and she seems to have a

much more ambivalent attitude towards it. Let's look at another

key dividing line - fox hunting. Theresa May, again, supports the

changes that were introduced by Tony Blair's Government in 2004, and all

signs are that most conservative supporters and the population

support the changes made to fox hunting. Andrea Leadsom, however,

has said that she would look to have another vote on fox hunting, and she

is concerned that the current arrangements are not great for

animal welfare. The last issue, which I think is worth flagging up

as a dividing area, is workers' rights. To Reza may -- Theresa May

has said that she will support workers' rights. Today, she will

talk about things that you might expect a Lieber laid that -- a

Labour leader to talk about. She is suggesting that companies ought to

be obliged to publish pay ratios so that people can see the difference

between what the boss gets and the lowest paid person. Andrea Leadsom

is more critical, particularly when it comes to smaller companies. Her

argument is, if you oppose employment rights on smaller

companies, it discourages them from taking on staff, causes red tape,

and she is suggesting that smaller companies should perhaps be excused

from a lot of employment rights. There are pretty fundamental

divisions between them. One other thing that we have talked -- one

other thing: We have talked a bit about the labour and Tories, but

bear in mind, there is a third leadership contest going on, in

Ukip. Commentators are thinking, will we get any holiday any time

soon? In a moment, we will talk to an

audience of floating voters - the people these candidates

are going to need to win over. But first let's discuss the future

of the Labour leadership in more detail now with Clive Lewis,

who was promoted to Shadow Defence Secretary in the wake of all those

Shadow Cabinet resignations And Jenny Chapman, who resigned

as Shadow Childcare and Early Years Minister

because she had no confidence welcome, both of you. In your

resignation letter, which seems like months ago, you said you wanted a

leader who could bring the country together at a time of deep division.

Is that Angela Eagle? I am not sure it is, is the truthful answer. I

think we need a candidate who can bring the party together. I don't

know if that is Angela. Who is it, then? I don't know. You must have a

name in your head. If you're not sure it's her, and she is launching

a campaign, you must be thinking about other candidates. As everyone

will know, there are a couple of names. Everyone may not know... The

other name is Alan Smith. I think there is more potential to unite the

party behind someone like Owen, who has many of Jeremy Corbyn might

values and ideas, but I just think, speaking to my voters, I have more

of a chance to get them to vote Labour with a win in the lead

because they will feel more confidence in him, they will feel he

understands their lives better. I want a party leader who can win an

election. Unless we can win, we can achieve absolutely nothing. If Owen

Smith does stand, and you have Owen Smith, Angela Eagle and Jeremy

Corbyn, you are going to split the vote is available to defeat Jeremy

Corbyn, aren't you? This is not a game like that. Absolutely, this is

not a game. It is about putting forward membership a selection of

people which probably should include Jeremy Corbyn and saying, look, in

your heart of hearts, who do you believe is the person that if we all

got behind could win a general election for Labour? To me, I think

a win would be the right person. He has not declared. He is still

talking to Jeremy, because that is the kind of person he is. I respect

him for that, and it is right that he is doing that that way. If he

stands, I will support him. How would you describe Jeremy

Corbyn's state of mind at the moment? I am not his psychiatrist!

But you see him and speak to him. I probably see him as much as Jenny

does in the chamber. When I see him in Cabinet meetings, he is chipper,

in good form, in good spirits. If he was not, I imagine he would not let

people see that. All I have seen of Jeremy Corbyn is that he is in good

spirits. He was at the gala in Durham this weekend and I heard him

speaking, in fine form. As far as I can tell, Jeremy is feeling good and

up for what is to come. Do you think there could be a split in the Labour

Party now? If Jeremy Corbyn refuses to stand down, which he clearly is,

you have a leadership contest, he might win again. All those moderate

Labour MPs, people like Hilary Benn, how can they be in a party when they

clearly don't respect Jeremy Corbyn as a leader? I consider myself to be

quite moderate and I consider most of the PLP to be moderate and I

think that to Ms misused. This is a time of national crisis, potentially

the biggest since the Second World War. At my party, rather than not

having confidence in the Tory government that got us into this

mess has no confidence in its leader. 50 MPs have the right to

challenge a leader, and now it looks like Angela is going to challenge

him, I agree with Jenny. Let the membership decide. It is their

hearts that really matter in terms of who they think should win a

general election. I think that is democracy. Those members that I have

spoken to, they say to me, whatever people think of PLP, let democracy

run its course, but Jeremy on the ballot and let somebody run against

him and have that contest. We are a social democratic party and that is

what people want to see. How can Jeremy win a general election when

he does not appeal to Labour voters and he does not appeal to former

Labour voters who have switched to Ukip, especially in the north of

England, because he had nothing to say to them about their anxieties

especially about the free movement of people? I remember when Jeremy

was one of the most trusted political figures in the country.

Not just members, by the polls. That was nine months ago. If you listen

to Jeremy Corbyn, the local elections, the by-elections... You

were pushed to third in Scotland. That is a slightly different

situation. The Labour Party has quite rightly been accused, as have

the Tory party, of taking the voters for granted. People who voted Labour

last year telling me they will not vote Labour again with Jeremy in

charge. That is right and fair enough but in my constituency, which

may be different to yours, and mine is in the east of England in

Norwich, university town, Jeremy Corbyn goes down very well. This is

a problem for the Labour Party because if we have a leader who is

going to move to the right on issues of immigration and free movement,

that will automatically damage my standing and the standing of the

Labour Party in university towns, liberal minded places, which

probably voted Remain. Maybe your party needs to split to satisfy your

voters? I think we can have a cohesive Labour Party that can reach

out to all parts of the country. What is not right is having two

weeks of insecurity and destabilisation which does not allow

us to get our message out their property. Let me tell you this,

Clive, in the last Parliament I supported Ed Miliband. I cheered

when he was announced as the next Prime Minister. Even though I knew

in my heart he was not going to win and I went along with that and I

regret that deeply. That led to us losing the last election and that is

going to lead to the decimation of public services in my constituency.

I am not going to do that again. I completely respect what you have

done and how you have done it. I can respect your thoughts on this. But

what I disagree with is the way this has been done. For two weeks nobody

has put up a leadership challenge. And saying to the members, actually,

we want to Jeremy Corbyn to resign, even though he is the incumbent and

he has an overwhelming majority of Labour supporters and voters that

want him on board, he will not be on the ballot paper. I am not saying

that. I know, but that is in effect what has happened over the last two

weeks. Have the election and let the membership decide, listening to

their hearts. And I do need the support of the MEPs or not? I think

no. Jeremy was elected with one member, one vote. And I think you

should be on the ballot paper. That is the Labour leadership. Thank you.

The race to be the next leader of the Conservative Party

has been overshadowed with comments Andrea Leadsom made

about the importance of having children.

Her rival Theresa May doesn't have children.

Mrs Leadsom has now apologised to Theresa May for those comments.

We can talk now to David Mundell, Secretary of State for Scotland,

and first serving Cabinet member to come out as gay and also one

of the first MPs to declare support for Theresa May.

And also here is Stewart Jackson, a Conservative MP,

but supporting the Andrea Leadsom campaign.

David Mundell, now that Andrea Leadsom has said sorry, is that it?

It is welcome that she has said sorry, and welcome that she had

signed up to the clean campaign of Theresa May. I think that is

important for the nature of this campaign. Andrea has admitted that

her comments were naive. I think probably everything that happened

after those comments were made, after the story was reported, was

entirely predictable in terms of the firestorm that blew up. I think that

goes down to experience. If you are going to be the Prime Minister of

this country in six weeks' time, that is what happens. When you are

Prime Minister, every word you say is analysed and that is the nature

of being Prime Minister. What I want in my Prime Ministers somebody who

is experienced and is not going to make those comments and have that

kind of backlash. Stewart Jackson, do you accept that Andrea Leadsom

was naive? I think it would be foolish not to accept that. She was

asked about motherhood. It shows a lack of experience that she did not

realise what would happen as a result of her saying I have children

so I have a real stake in the future of this country. It was an

unfortunate conflation about a comment about Theresa May not having

children, which she herself has discussed, and the fact that Andrea

is proud of her children and her family informs her political views.

They were conflated. So that shows a lack of judgment so why have that

person as Prime Minister? She has said it would be wrong to make this

decision on the basis of who has children and who hasn't, she has

that that would be horrible. She has rightly apologised. Let me put it on

the record again. Whether you have children or not, the lifestyle

choices you make, that has no bearing on your capacity and ability

to be Prime Minister. A quick question on Theresa May in terms of

equal rights. The first serving Cabinet member to come out as gay,

so this is important. You are supporting her but she has voted

against reducing the age of consent for gay people, against a civil

partnership and against repealing section 20 eight. I think she has a

strong record on equal rights. Not on those three areas. She has during

her time in the Home Office. She will explain her position in the

campaign. I want someone who is running our country who has the

experience and is able to take over from day one. Somebody who has stood

up on very serious issues like modern day slavery, like female

genital mutilation. Theresa May has a very good track record on social

issues and I would be proud to serve under her as Prime Minister. As

Conservatives, who do you want to be Labour leader and why? I actually

think because of... Just a name. Jeremy Corbyn is not doing the job

not just for Labour but for the country. It would not be good for us

in terms of great if scrutiny, but the country needs an effective

Labour leader. Whoever leads the Tory party will be Prime Minister of

our country and I think there is no question that Theresa May is the

better of the two candidates for that job. We have heard from the

Tory party and the Labour Party, so what about the people who actually

matter? Not the party members who'll be

responsible for voting for the next leader but the normal

voters who will have to decide who they trust the most

with the future of this country. With us now a group of people

who broadly describe themselves Thank you all very much. I know you

were listening intently to our Labour and Conservative MPs over

there. Please introduce yourselves. But out of those four candidates,

who do you want the next British Prime Minister? Hello. My name is

Jeff and I am a British Army veteran. At the moment I don't like

any of them. Not Andrea Leadsom, Jeremy Corbyn, Angela Eagle or

Theresa May? You have got to pick one name from those four? Back to

you later! My name is Hannah and I am a politics student. Probably

Theresa May because she seems the most like a leader of the four, I

think. So you can imagine voting for Theresa May of the Conservative

Party in the next general election? Potentially, especially if Labour

don't get their act together. OK, we will come back to the Labour Party

in a second. Hello. I am Karen, a surly Hull photographer, and I would

vote for Theresa May, the one candidate I would trust at the

moment. -- Solihull photographer. But you voted Labour before? Yes.

Very interesting. Hello, I am from Essex, and I would vote for Andrea

Leadsom 100%. I can absolutely see her as the next Prime Minister of

this country. I feel like she took a tough stance on Brexit. Where is the

other woman was in between, kind of hobbling, kind of silent Remain.

Anybody who is going to lead us into the future has got to be certain

about where they are. And that is important to you, that Andrea

Leadsom was a Brexiteer compared to her lack of experience around the

Cabinet table? And the fact that you made a decision. She took a tough

stance and you made it very public. Hello, I am Anthony from Liverpool.

From the four candidates I would want Angela Eagle to be the next

Prime Minister. At the moment I want to see a Labour Prime Minister. I

think the party needs unity and the country needs unity. Somebody to

heal the divisions that have been created. Why can't Jeremy Corbyn do

that? He has lost the support of 80% of MPs. He has a mandate from the

membership. That cannot be completely disregarded. But he was

elected to be a leader and in my mind he has failed on the challenges

that he has faced so far. He set out his stall to remain in the EU. He

didn't put a passionate enough case forward on that front. In his own

words, Labour only held on the local elections, and I see that as a

failure when the party is disarray. From Labour I would like to see

somebody very inspirational who can reach out from a lot of people. Is

Angela Eagle inspirational in your view? I think she is a different

person to Jeremy and she is fiery from what I have seen of her in the

House of Commons, which is fantastic, but I am looking for

something more radical as well. Hello. Hello. I am Sandra, a

singer-songwriter and radio presenter, and I would vote for

Theresa May. Out of all the candidates, she is the most dates

woman like and inspirational. She also has experience. We are looking

for someone to unite the party and be a leader, and I am not sure that

Jeremy Corbyn has that at the moment. We have got to question

whether he can leave the country. He has got to be somebody who can unite

the party and I don't think you can do that at the moment. You voted

Conservative in the last election. Why would you go for Theresa May

over Andrea Leadsom? I think Andrea Leadsom that itself down with that

comment about children. As women we have fought for so long to become

leaders and for me it was great to see two women being judged on their

own merits, not because they are women. But to be let down by a

trivial remark was really crazy, I thought. It questions whether

somebody who wants to be Prime Minister can afford to make such a

shoddy mistake. I have just looked at the time and it is ten o'clock so

the news and sport is coming your way in a few minutes, I promise.

Let's hear more about what you think. Of those four candidates, who

can you imagine voting for as Prime Minister?

Definitely a Labour candidate. I think Jeremy should remain as

leader. Even though MPs don't support him cry smack -- don't

support him? He is the better candidate? Based on my opinion, I

would say so, yes. Good morning. I am from Sheffield. I am a business

representative. Because I believe the UK will be in a stronger

position than the EU in negotiating condition shortly, this is why we

need a strong, experienced and Liberal Prime Minister. I believe

Theresa May will be the person. Good morning, hello. I am John, a steel

trader from London. I grew up with the three day working week and the

miners strike. I have never seen a Labour Government with an economic

grip on the country. We need austerity. And I think to Reza may

-- I think Theresa May has the leadership quality. She has not put

her foot wrong too often in our time and she would be a good leader. You

voted Ukip but now your vote is up grabs. Theresa May is the least

worst option. Another interesting point, we have had people saying

they would like a moderate alternative on both sides. It is

interesting, because if we end up with Andrea Leadsom and Jeremy

Corbyn, it is quite likely that both parties will split and form a new

centre party. They are afraid of it because they will have lost control

of their parties. Would that be good for voters in the country and

democracy? Arguably. The problem is, we have a two party system, which

squeezes the life out of anyone trying to set up another party. If

parties look back at what happens to the SDP, they will think it might be

a disaster. For the Tories it may be a more realistic possibility. We

will see. In terms of what you want the two main parties to do, what

would it be? Have you picked a candidate? I would go for Andrea

Leadsom. The two parties don't want a civil war and to tear each other

apart. There is no leadership of the whole country at the moment. There

is no one there providing leadership. We need someone who will

come out of all this bloodshed, if you will, and lead the country

forward. LN, body you want to say about the state of labour, your

party? Both parties are in total disarray. I agree with you that

definitely someone needs to unite them, whether it is Labour or the

Tories, but with Labour, they need to find someone they can all agree

on as leader. Obviously, the MPs don't want Corbin, people more or

less do, but what is the alternative? People don't want

Angela Eagle. Who else? There is not really much choice on the table

there. There is a lot of healing to do, especially since Brexit. It will

be interesting to see what actually happens. Do people feel there is a

lot of healing to be done? I definitely agree. I would also say

that it is very easy to blame party disunity for everything under the

sun, really. Jeremy Corbyn has had a lot of media opportunities over the

past week, and he still had a chance to hold the Conservative Party to

account for what they did with the referendum, to exploit their

disloyalty, as they have done with Labour, and in my mind, he has

failed to do so. Years not been good at calling for accountability from

Nigel Farage Boris Johnson. This law -- disunity can be an excuse for

failure of leadership. A small snapshot, totally unscientific. I

thought there was a definite move towards Theresa May, if I'm honest.

We are in an extraordinarily uncertain environment. In that

environment, you gravitate towards someone who seems to know the game a

bit, seems to be quite cool. You are reluctant to take a risk, and she is

undoubtedly benefiting from that. So much so that today she is launching

a leadership bid but doing it to jazz herself up a bit. She's talking

about having workers on company boards, how we would have paid

ratios so we almost what the boss is getting. She is aware that she is

seen as the cautious candidate, which is her strength. It could look

a bit dull, so she wants to inject a little bit more and to say, I am not

just going to carry on like Cameron and Osborne. She will say, I won't

be so focused on deficit reduction. She will carve out a run agenda

while also retaining the brownie point she gets for saying she will

go to toe -- she will go toe to toe with Angela Merkel. Now, the

weather. Some disappointing weather over the

next few days thanks to an area of low pressure. It will bring cooler

feeling wind, a north-westerly breeze that will bring sun and

showers. There has not been too much sunshine to go around today. More

rain. It will struggle to brighten up in northern England and northern

Wales. There will be some sunshine, but it triggers some heavy showers.

There could be some thunder. Temperatures in the high teens and

low 20s. Overnight, cooler in the countryside across the North,

getting quite chilly here. Showers across southern areas of England and

Wales. Otherwise, quite mild for towns and cities. Showers from the

word go tomorrow morning. Some of the showers in the south could turn

heavy and thundery. Cooler across the North. Temperatures only around

16 Celsius in Glasgow and Belfast. An exclusive look at a Sharia

court - how it works, and how it handles the case

of a woman trying to end What was the turning point when you

decided to be separated? Violence. OK. We will bring you an interview

with a Sharia judge in a few minutes. Get in touch in the usual

ways if you have a question or a comment.

Labour supporters say that Jeremy Corbyn must be on the leadership

ballot. And this hour we'll hear live

from Andy Murray as he starts I'm proud to get my hands on the

trophy again. Here's Joanna Gosling

in the BBC Newsroom Former shadow business secretary

Angela Eagle formally launches her leadership challenge

against Jeremy Corbyn. She says she intends

to "save" the Labour Party' Mr Corbyn has refused to step down

since losing the support of most of his MPs in a vote

of no confidence. The party's ruling executive

will decide this week whether Mr Corbyn needs the support

of 51 MPs and MEPs or whether as sitting leader he will automatically

appear on the ballot. I have lodged my papers with the

general secretary today to launch this challenge, and I'm very much

looking forward to launching my campaign later today.

The Conservative leadership contender, Andrea Leadsom,

says she has apologised to her rival, Theresa May, for any

hurt she'd caused with her comments about the importance

Mrs Leadsom has told the Daily Telegraph that she's felt

under attack since the remarks were published, describing

As a review into the use of Sharia courts continues -

we've been given rare permission to film inside one.

Officially called Sharia councils, there are around 30 across the UK.

They make rulings on Islamic Law and most cases involve

woman who want to end their Islamic marriage.

The councils aren't recognised by this country's legal

system and they operate on a voluntary basis.

In the United States, more than 160 people have been

arrested over the weekend in Louisiana's state capital,

Baton Rouge, during protests over last week's shooting by police

Last night dozens of protesters chanted "Black Lives Matter"

and waved banners as they were involved in a stand-off with police.

Other protests have been held across the United States,

Something for the whole nation to cheer about,

a super Sunday of British sporting success with not only massive

triumphs at Wimbledon but also in Formula One,

Firstly Wimbledon , where we had not one but four British

Of course let's start with Andy Murray.

Yesterday, the world number two won his second Wimbledon title,

Luckily for us he said after the match, "I still feel

Heather Watson and her partner, Finland's Henri Kontinen,

they'd never played together before this tournament .

Gordon Reid won his second Wimbledon title in as many days by adding

the men's wheelchair singles to the doubles

It's the first time men's wheelchair singles has been

And Jordanne Whiley, here on the right with her

partner Yui Kamiji, won the women's wheelchair doubles.

Let's have a look at that super Sunday success at Wimbledon.

He's there again. Straight sets again. That is Murray's time in the

centre court of Wimbledon again. I have had some great moments here,

and some tough losses, so the wins the election special because of the

tough losses. I am proud to have my hands on the trophy again.

We had so much fun from the first point to the last one, and I think

that's why we did so well and played well together. Banks for putting up

with me. -- thanks. It is amazing, to come here and win it in front of

people that I love, and all my friends and family, my coaching

team. So much support, it's unbelievable. I'm never going to

forget this moment. Outside of Wimbledon, lots of other

British success. Formula 1 came to the British Grand Prix at

Silverstone. Lewis Hamilton didn't disappoint the home crowd. He took a

dominant victory, cutting Nico Rosberg's championship lead to just

one point. On a very wet day in France, crisp room, here in the

yellow jersey, retained the overall lead in the Tour de France. Mark

Cavendish retains the sprinter's green jersey. Last night was an

action packed night for the British team at the athletics Championships

in Amsterdam. They won seven medals on the final day, including the

men's 400 metres and the women for times 400 metres relay. We showed we

have consistency and we are not a team to be underestimated. People

who want to underestimate us, do that at your own peril. We think we

can challenge the best in the world. We will try to make everyone at home

as proud as we can. We wanted to win, most of all, because I believe

we are the best team in Europe, and we can definitely take on the best

in the world at Rio, so everyone had better watch out. Don't forget that

one other small sporting event - Euro 2016, with Portugal beating

France. Not a British when but a British success for the referee,

Mark Battenberg, who had a very successful match. Plenty of

Portuguese people in Britain had something to celebrate. Here is how

they partied in London as they lifted the title.

Now the sports news. Yes, an amazing weekend for British sport. I feel

like I should go for a run! As you can imagine, Andy Murray is on the

front and back pages of every newspaper I have seen this morning,

pretty much. You will be speaking to him at 10:30am, so stay tuned for

that. He beat the Canadian Milos Raonic in straight sets at the

All-England Club and the world number two said he will make the

most of winning this time round. You can see him on the balcony there in

front of all his supporters who were on the hill watching that match. As

you have been hearing, European champions, Portugal, winning 1-0

against the hosts, France, and they have been showing off their

silverware to the fans this morning. They one thanks to the Eder goal.

They left their team hotel in Paris to head to the airport and a

triumphant homecoming in Lisbon. It was a late goal in extra time that

sealed the win. Cristiano Ronaldo limped off in that match but his

side still won. Most importantly for British fans, Andy Murray is the

Wimbledon champion. I know you will be speaking to him at 10:30am. Yes,

Russell will be talking to him at 10:30am.

This morning we've been bringing you exclusive access inside a Sharia

Officially called Sharia councils, their use in the UK to settle

disputes using Islamic religious law has been criticised

It's rare to be allowed inside a council.

who went to the court to divorce her husband.

Be seated. When we got married, I was 15. It was an arranged marriage.

And this was in Afghanistan? In Iran actually. We moved there because of

the Taliban. It started with arguments every day. Straight after

the marriage? Even before the marriage. He was a different person

with me. He was always angry. He wanted everything his way. In life,

ups and downs come. Arguments and happiness. What was the turning

point when you decided to separate? It was violence. OK. Physical

assault? Yes. Physical, emotional. Do you feel secure, insecure, that

he can hurt you? Something here makes me afraid of him and scared of

him. If I see him, suddenly all my body starts shaking and I can't

change it unfortunately. For years I've tried and I worked hard in this

country along with four children but still I couldn't accept him. Because

he loves you all so very much. Yes, but this is not enough. It doesn't

have any value unfortunately. Is it not possible to forget all of these

things? I have no feeling. I don't even want to remember. Arguments

happen in every family, every family, but respect is very

important. Maybe I shout at my wife and in the evening I go and I take a

present with me and you forget. But having this continuously going on

and having this feeling that you have suppressed is not allowed. In

the previous meeting we had with your husband, he was insisting that

he would do anything. He said he loved his wife and he has always

loved her, and he loves his children as well. Our first objective here is

to try and... Focus on family. Exactly. That is why he is asking

you that. That is why -- a family needs a happy mother. He damaged me

and now he decides to be a good person but what about me here in

this situation? What we will do this we will discuss it for five minutes,

if you can take a seat outside. We will call you back. Thank you for

your time. The strongest thing she has said is that he has -- she has a

feeling of being un-secure. Also emotional, also an secure, also

physical. This is the victim, what she has said. Take a seat. We have

unanimously decided, looking at all the circumstances and all that you

have gone through, we have unanimously decided that your

marriage has been nullified. We are very sad to hear all the hardships

you have gone through and we feel that no woman should be going

through such hardship. In the future we wish you all the best and if

there is any help you require, it is always free and you can always come

and put your concerns forward. We are more than happy to help you.

And if you want to watch and share the full film,

you can find it on our programme page, bbc.co.uk/victoria.

Sharia is Islam's legal system and there are estimated to be around

Officially called Sharia councils they mainly operate inside mosques

and the majority of cases they preside over involve women

wanting to end their Islamic marriage.

They're not recognised by the UK system and have no

A review into them is currently under way.

We can talk about this more now with Baroness Cox,

a cross-bench peer who has campaigned against the councils

for years, Khola Hasan, one of the scholars at

Rani Bilkhu, who runs a women's rights organisation

and is planning to deliver training to Sharia Councils to

Welcome to all of you. Baroness Cox, when he led one of the scholars

saying to Yasmeenah, is it not possible to forget the things he has

done to you, what did you think? I have two fundamental worries. In

Sharia law we have a system that inherently discriminates against

women. In Britain we promote gender equality. In Britain, a man can

divorce his wife by saying I divorce you three times. A woman has to go

through all these procedures and pay money. That is inherent gender

discrimination. A man can have four wives, polygamy, which we don't

allow in this country. There is also physical violence and chastisement.

That is a lot going wrong in a country where we are meant to have

gender equality. And another concern I have is that it is a parallel

quasi legal system. We celebrated 800 years since Magna Carta last

year and we now have a parallel legal system which predates Magna

Carta. Those are my two concerns. Women suffering from inherent gender

discrimination and parallel quasi legal system. Women should be able

to leave their husbands when they want and without seeking permission,

surely? Yes, of course. So why not go to civil courts? Because we are

dealing with religious marriages, not civil marriages. Almost every

Muslim woman in this country will have two ceremonies, a civil

ceremony and a religious one, but a lot will not have a Cyril ceremony,

just a religious one because they want to be married in the sight of

God. And when they break up, they need to have that religious divorce

as well. Why? Because there is a desire within a human being who

comes from a religious practice, who lives by religion and fears God, to

have a religious marriage. Sure, but we don't need it in Britain, do we?

That woman could just say I am divorcing you. No, she would have to

go to a civil court, which would take a few years as well. Sure, but

that is enough. It is not just women, by the way. It is meant as

well. Under the British legal system, a civil court process would

be enough. It could be, but if people are choosing to live by a

faith in a marriage which is a central part of their lives, they

would like a religious divorce to feel that closure. Baroness Cox, do

you accept these councils only work because of the consent of the women?

Of course I accept there must be religious freedom and if women want

an Islamic divorce or they can remarry, that is fine, but why does

a man does get it by saying I divorce you three times? That is not

true. Please listen. There has been so much evolving within the Islamic

tradition throughout the Islamic world, and nowhere do they allow men

just to say they divorce you. They have got to go to court. But some of

these courts tell women to go back to their men if they be using -- if

they are abusing them. If they are doing it they must be stopped. But

they are doing it so how can they be stopped? The Muslim community has

sadly failed and I actually welcome the government review. If somebody

was to get involved and create a regulatory system, that would really

help the issue. That would also legitimise the councils, which he

would not be happy with, Baroness Cox? I believe in religious freedom

but think many women are not happy. Many women come to me and they say

the man does just divorce them by saying it. We have introduced a

system to stop that. It is not working. These women are really

suffering and we want to support measures to help them out of their

terrible predicament. It does allow religious chastisement. That is

really unfair. No, it is true. A lot of women are suffering domestic

violence. I know they are. The vast majority of my clients suffering

domestic violence, which is a legitimate reason for getting a

divorce and we will asserted that as quickly as possible to get them out

of abusive marriages. We are actually helping women. Men are

turning what they like and we are saying that they can't. We are

streaming this conversation on Facebook right now. Rob says that

Sharia should be illegal under UK law. There should be one law for

everybody. There is only one loaf everybody, the civil legal system.

But when we are talking about religion, praying, fasting, the way

we conduct our personal lives in our homes, that is perfectly allowed

under English law. We are in mediation body offering mediation

and religious divorce. We are not contradicting the English legal

system in any way. But you are parallel to it? We are not. We are

offering a mediation service. The English system once mediation when

marriages are breaking down, and that is part of the legal system

now. Judges insist that couples that are breaking up get mediation. We

offer mediation in a culturally sensitive environment, where people

understand the language of the people, the culture and the

religion. And if you don't want mediation and just the divorce? You

will get that but of course there will be questions that have got to

be asked. What about the case featured in our film earlier where a

woman was asked to come to mediation with a violently abusive husband?

Normally there will be some kind of legal non-molestation order and

there is no way we can have the two in the same room. OK. What are the

rights of women under Sharia law? It depends what you are talking about.

A woman has the right to get married, get divorced, have

children, to work, to hone her money, property, inherent. What are

you asking? Baroness Cox says this is a parallel legal system. With

some other comments I have seen on Twitter and email, it seems like a

parallel universe to some people. How do you describe it? I think I

agree with Baroness Cox to a certain degree. And also with you. One of

the issues we are looking at, women are coming to us and saying in terms

of mediation, the mediation within the courts in this country is very

different to mediation within the Sharia councils. Their form of

mediation is to go back home together and to try to work it out

for the sake of the children. There are complexities in any marriage

when they are breaking down. When there are complexities of cousin

marriages and marriages within a community, it is far more complex.

While I agree to a certain degree that Sharia councils have a role,

however, when you are putting women significantly at harm, that I have a

problem and the issue of sexual violence, rape within marriage, is

not recognised by many within the community. But we have Sikhs,

Hindus, people of other faiths here, and we don't have parallel systems

there. We work quite well. If Sharia councils did not exist and they were

banned, which is what you would like, Baroness Cox? Not exactly. I

believe in religious freedom. Praying, fasting, you said that, not

a problem. I am concerned about anybody which gives rulings which

are directly incompatible with the fundamental laws and values and

policies of our country. What about Muslim women who want a divorce from

their husband and they feel that they need to get the divorce through

a Sharia Council otherwise they can't move on with their life? What

would they do without the Sharia Council?

One lady came to me in tears because her divorce had been sent through

the post. She felt betrayed by democracy, she said. How can this

happen in Britain? There is a fundamental asymmetry there which is

unjust and should not be allowed in Britain today. What are you

suggesting? We are suggesting there needs to be a serious investigation

into what happens and those policies which contravene our British values

of gender equality and one rule for all should not be permitted. Other

matters such as fasting and prayer, no problem. Our suffragettes would

turn in their graves today at the way that someone in our suffering.

We have had some comments. One viewer says: I never knew that there

were any Sharia councils. This has opened my eyes and changed so much

inside me. This e-mail: Most of the people complaining are Islamophobic.

One more: People choose to use Sharia courts just like any couple

decides to settle out of court. Preparation is underway for the

Farnborough airshow. And, Andy Murray producing another fabulous

performance to win his second Wimbledon title, beating the loss

round it in straight sets. It is his third career grand slam. At 29, the

Scot believes is best tennis is ahead of him. Some believe he could

overtake Novak Djokovic to become world number one for the first time.

It wasn't so long ago when the best Britain could hope for was for

someone to make it through the second week. Now Andy Murray has won

the second men's title. Here is how he did it.

The waiting is over. Andy Murray is the Wimbledon champion.

After the match, lots of people were saying he could be the greatest

British sportsmen have, including Gary Lineker. We will hear from Andy

Murray shortly. Let's hear about whether he really could be the

greatest British sport person and how he compares to some of our other

sporting stars. Lewis Hamilton, who won the British Grand Prix, Ronnie

O'Sullivan, Mo Farah. Andy has won three grand slam titles, Olympic

gold and led Britain to a Davis Cup win. He has never held the number

one ranking. Mo Farah is a five-time world champion. Ronnie O'Sullivan is

also a five-time world champion and is considered by many to be the

greatest snooker player ever. Lewis Hamilton is the first British driver

in Formula 1 history to win back-to-back titles.

To discuss that, I'm joined by sports writer and

And Gabby Logan is on the phone. Who would you go for? I don't think you

have to pick one. I think it's really what you get out of their

performances and how you enjoyed their moments, and what inspires

you. I am a huge tennis fan and I was there yesterday. I saw him to

make years ago as well. I have followed his career for a long time

and I adore him. I was also lucky enough to work on lots of Mo Farah's

athletics performances. As a sports fan, I really admire those

performances, but I also appreciate what a genius Ronnie O'Sullivan is

in his sport, and what a maverick years, and also what Lewis is

achieving. You can gauge it by breaking world records, by world

rankings, or you can do it as a numbers game. As a numbers game, he

does not match up to the likes of Roger Federer, winning 17 titles. In

athletics, Mo Farah has broken world records. It has to be about what you

feel for them and their performances. What do you feel in

terms of the British greatest spokesperson? It is difficult to

compare different sports, but I think where Randy Murray deserved to

be recognised is that on the way to being the greatest, the sport he

plays, tennis, is hugely expanded, and he is playing against country

and competitors, Djokovic for instance, who never existed a few

years ago. The competition in the sport is tremendous, and the weight

of burden he carries, 77 years, a huge weight to carry. To relieve

that pressure, I think that is a tremendous achievement. Some of the

other sports, such as snooker and so on, are not really world sports.

What is the world he is competing against? Gaby mentioned Roger

Federer, and of course he doesn't compare with him, or Djokovic. But

he has tremendous opportunities. The way that he won yesterday shows that

he is capable of matching their record or coming quite close to it

and setting new records post I think should not be discounted. Go on,

Gaby. He comes from Dunblane, from a non-tennis town. It is a huge tennis

town now. At 15, he said to his mum, I have to go to Barcelona if I want

to be the best because that is where my competitors are. He took self out

of the comfort zone of his home environment, went to a foreign

country, a foreign language, and that was his sacrifice to become the

best. I don't like the word sacrifice, any sport person will

tell you it is part of the journey. What he did is just tremendous in

terms of removing himself from the comfort zone of a home life and

creating himself as a tennis player from a country that does not have a

rich heritage in terrorist. We are just about each hear the Prime

Minister, David Cameron, speaking at the Farnborough airshow. We must

recognise we are in a new reality now. We must except it, we must make

it work. That is the way British business is responding to the

referendum result. As one of your longest serving chairman wrote to me

this weekend and said, we must make the most of the cards in front of

us, not ask for a new hand. The key things we need to get right of

these: Our future relationship with Europe, Britain's underlying

productivity challenges, the need to grow exports faster and encourage

inward investment, and above all, we need to think they can and think

radically about how to ensure the best possible outcome for the United

Kingdom in these new circumstances. This amounts to the biggest

challenge for the British political system that we've faced for around

40 years. It will require a massive national effort, not just for

Government departments, civil servants and ministers, but an

effort that means working together with business and industry is in a

way we have never seen before. As we do so, I want to spell out the big

things that I think that effort should focus on. First, we have to

focus on trade and investment as never before. UK Trade Investment

has gone from strength to strength in recent years. RX boards to China

have increased 90%. To South Korea, they have more than doubled. -- our

exports. The fact is, despite all the benefits of selling goods and

services abroad, just 11% of British companies export. Of those who do,

only 5% of what we make and sell goes to fast-growing markets like

China and India. We still do more trade with Belgium than we do with

Indonesia, Singapore, Vietnam and Malaysia combined. We do more trade

in services with Luxembourg than we do with the massive economies of

Turkey and Saudi Arabia. People can read those figures in two ways. Some

emphasise the importance of our European market, others say it shows

how far we have to go in driving exports into the expanding markets.

Both readings are right, and we need to do both things - win in Europe

and win in the rest of the world. Around the world, middle classes are

rapidly expanding. Young populations are growing. More and more people

have disposable incomes, more have smartphones, and those people want

to buy British, to where our clothes, watch our football teams,

use our applications, fly our planes and drive our cars. They are

starting to want to buy the things we are great at, like services. UK

Trade Investment has made great strides, but we need a further step

change in the pace and effort of the activity we undertake. As we recast

our relationship with Europe, this is our moment to do so. UK trade and

industry can't do it alone. Six years ago I gave clear instructions

to the former and -- the Foreign Commonwealth Office offers. I said,

we are our -- you are our trade envoys. To our embassies and high

commissions, I said, you are the shop windows for Britain. We set up

a campaign to promote Britain in 144 countries. You can see it emblazoned

everywhere from the Moscow metro to the Rio cable cars we will see a lot

of in the coming months. The Foreign of in the coming months. The Foreign

Commonwealth Office is much more commercially minded today, so we

have to redouble our effort again and embrace the new opportunities.

We need to draw up lists of countries and territories where we

should be thinking of future trade deals, led by the Department of

business, the Foreign Office and more. And we need to develop the

skills necessary to strike those deals. It is not optional, it is

essential. Britain's economic future relies on it, and the renewed push

needs to begin now. We also need to face one of the fundamental

challenges in our economy - that of productivity. In the last

Parliament, we created more jobs in the UK than the rest of Europe

together, but our output per person per hour is still lower than

America, Germany and France. Now is the moment to tackle it. There is no

single, silver bullet. The work we have done on business taxes and

infrastructure helps and must continue. High-speed rail, green

investment, superfast broadband, this needs to be combined with

building more homes, former planning and starting more apprenticeships.

Since we are coming out of the EU, we must rapidly explore all the new

potential opportunities for supply-side reform, for example, on

taxes, which could also boost productivity. Above all, our

response to the productivity gap needs to be led by business. I

welcome initiatives coming from British business. I also think we

should take note from the industries that do this well. In aerospace,

productivity is growing 15 times faster than in the rest of the

economy. I say, let us take your lead, learn the lessons that you

provide and get more industries doing what you are doing. Next, we

have to focus on how we can get different sectors to thrive, just as

this aerospace sector does. We need a dynamic market economy that pulls

its weight in every sector, from manufacturing to services. In that

dynamic economy, we must recognise that new, insurgent businesses, and

indeed, new insurgent industries, mustn't be held back. After all,

they are often the ones that drive new investment and jobs. I don't

believe in picking winners, but there are sectors where Britain

clearly has a competitive edge and where there could be strong

partnership between business and Government. We need to build on that

record. We have it in aerospace, we have it with the automotive

industry, but I want us to have it elsewhere - in pharmaceuticals, life

sciences, in all the different aspects of technology, in our world

beating creative industries and financial services. We are getting

there, but we need to go there faster. Linking academia with

industry to discover cures for new diseases, backing advanced

manufacturing and the industries of tomorrow, making it easier for film

studios and fashion houses to flourish, and getting the funding to

technology start-ups that are set to change the way we live. That leads

me to one final point about collaboration - when you consider

the challenges we face and the opportunities we now have to make

the most of, it is obvious that we are going to need and all Government

effort. We cannot afford to work in silos. This must be driven from the

top. Take our national security council operating for six years. I

wouldn't argue that creating it has solved all of our security problems

or dissolve all of the threats we faced. Of course not, but it has

helped us to face them in a more joined up, strategic and effective

way. Why? Because we bring together all the weapons our armoury -

military, intelligence, counterterrorism policing, a,

diplomacy. It brings these things together to meet the challenges we

face. Now that the UK faces, alongside that's correct -- set of

security challenges, a new set of economic challenges, it is time to

do the same thing in the economic sphere. When we are trying to break

into new markets and sign new trade deals, we need all of our economic,

business and industrial might working in the same direction.

When we are looking at ways of driving at economic productivity, we

need everybody at the table. David Cameron at the Farnborough Airshow,

saying we are in a new reality now and we must make it work. This is in

the wake of the British decision to leave the European Union. He is

talking about the productivity gap, but in the aerospace industry

productivity is magnificent and we should emulate the aerospace

industry. Our business correspondent Aaron Hazlehurst is also at the

airshow looking at business opportunities. Yes, I am trying to.

You know I love the smell of jet fumes in the morning. But they are

getting to me! We heard the Prime Minister talking about aerospace.

This is why this is hugely important. When we say aerospace, we

mean anything that goes up in the sky, and it is the second biggest

industry in the world, anyone behind the United States in the UK. We

employ 130,000 people and generate 250 billion quid every single year,

which is what makes this SO very important. Farnborough Airshow is

one of the most important aviation events on the planet. We think of

the amazing air displays that go on here, the new weapons of war, the

passenger jets that we love to fly, they do their displays, but we

forget that behind the scenes in chalets and bungalows all over this

airport, big deals are being done. The top executives from the entire

industry are signing hundreds of billions of dollars of deals.

Farnborough Airshow fast and there is a lot going on. Just for you, I

put a little something together to show you what Farnborough is all

about in a little snippet. As one of the world's biggest airshows, we

decided to start big, and it doesn't get much bigger than this. A 747,

and air cargo aeroplane, and it is things like this that grease the

wheels of the global economy because it flies our fresh produce and

pharmaceuticals around the world, but also the smartphones and tablets

we can't live without. You have bought your aeroplane and you need

an engine, they are here at Farnborough. This Rolls-Royce is not

cheap, 30 million bucks a pop. It can fly 16 million kilometres before

it needs a service. Think of Concorde without the wings, the fuse

a large, it can fit inside this engine. On July the 15th this year,

Boeing celebrates 100 years of making aircraft. It started out as

they wood and canvas aeroplane with a stick and some wires to fly the

thing, this is a modern cockpit with the latest technology to make sure

we are all transported safely to the four corners of the world. How do we

get out of this thing? It is not all about the passenger, it is all about

the latest war machines. We are going to pause there because here is

Andy Murray, Wimbledon champion. The most successful day in British

tennis history. Five Wimbledon champions across the wheelchair

events. Heather winning the next doubles -- mixed doubles at my

singles match at well. A good day and I had a fun night with friends

and family as well and a view of the journalists turned up as well,

tennis journalists, who had a rough night. It was good! That everybody

is here present and correct this morning. The journalists aren't

here. They didn't make it in! Lightweights! I was struck by

something you said in the aftermath of winning yesterday, that you feel

more motivated than at any other time in your career, which is

remarkable when you have won as much as you have and you are 29. Why do

you still feel as hungry as ever? Before I won Wimbledon in 2013, I

was unbelievably motivated to win Wimbledon, but after I won, I kind

of didn't quite know where to go and what I was trying to do. It felt

like this was all I was meant to do really. Then I had my back surgery,

and I struggled to come back from that for a year. When I started to

feel good again, losing actually in a lot of the finals, that motivated

me. I lost the first two finals this year and the Australian open final

year before. And becoming a father as well is extra motivation. I would

say that did it probably. A lot of tennis still to be played this year.

The first event is the Davis Cup quarterfinal against Serbia in

Belgrade, which starts on Friday. Are you going to take part? I think

it is unlikely but I am speaking to Lyon this afternoon. I spoke to him

briefly at the ball last night. He was flying this morning at seven

o'clock, so I said I would give him a call this afternoon to chat to him

about it. I am probably going to head over to Serbia regardless. I

would say it is unlikely. Why is it so important to you to travel to

support the team? Many people would expect you to go to a Caribbean

island and have a few days in the sunshine. I don't know. I feel

responsibility. All the guys on the team are great. My brother is part

of the team. Leon, the captain, I have known him since I was a kid.

And last year, winning the Davis Cup, it was one of the best moments

of my career, but also for the whole team. It was just an amazing time.

We wouldn't have had that moment without all of the guys. Everyone

played their part as well. We are 18, and whether I am playing or not,

I always try to support them. -- we are a team. Then Rio and the final

grand slam, the US Open, so what is the final priority for you? Our

Grand Slams the primary motivation? The Olympics is important to me

obviously. The two Olympics I have been involved in, I loved the

experience. I loved winning a gold medal. You realise how special it

is. I want to try and perform well at the Olympics and then obviously

the US Open comes just a few weeks after that as well. I need to get a

decent amount of practice on the hard courts, because the last few

tournaments that have been on hard courts, I struggled and didn't play

particularly well, so I need to get some hard work done before then. A

slightly longer term goal perhaps, you have been talking about looking

for extra motivation, new things to motivate you as you go into the last

few years of your career. It's becoming world number one a big

motivating factor? Do you think it is realistic? It is possible. I

would rather set the bar as high as possible and not quite achieve it

than say I would be happy finishing five in the world and finishing at

three. It is better to try and finish number one and finished

number two. I would love to get to number one, obviously. I think a lot

of people are forgetting what Novak has done. Because he lost in the

third round here. The last 18 months have been unbelievable. He has

hardly lost any matches at all. I know if I want to get there, I have

got to try to win more matches against him. I imagine he would come

back very strong from the loss here. I would love to get to number one,

obviously. Enjoy your moment and enjoy that trophy behind you. Thank

you. Andy Murray, Wimbledon champion.

This morning we've been bringing you exclusive access inside one

Officially called councils, there are thought to be

In her role as Home Secretary, Theresa May, the now frontrunner

to be the next leader of the Conservative Party

and the next Prime Minister ordered a review of Sharia councils

following concerns about discriminatory decisions.

It's due to report back next year but has already been

Maryam Namazie is an Iranian secular human rights campaigner

who has been critical of the government review

And Dr Samia Bano is a senior lecturer at the School

of Oriental and African Studies and author of the book Muslim Women