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Our top story today - chaos at Ukip as their leader quits

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Wonder how former leader Nigel Farage reacted to the news?

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Was it like this? Or like this?

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Or maybe like this? You get the picture.

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Also on the programme, a woman who helped her husband

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fake his own death tells this programme she will feel guilt

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"for the rest of my life" for lying about it to her two sons.

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That guilt will remain with me for the rest of my life and I am just so

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grateful that they have allowed me back into their lives and offered me

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a second chance. In an in-depth interview Anne Darwin

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also tells us she's now happy I'm comfortable in my own skin. I

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feel a more confident person. I do enjoy life.

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We'll bring you the full interview throughout the programme.

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And fears for the boxer Tyson Fury as he says he's taken

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"lots of cocaine" over the past six months and hopes someone kills him

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We'll get reaction from those who know him.

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Throughout the morning we'll bring you the latest news

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and developing stories - including the latest from Aleppo

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in Syria where 106 children have been killed in the last nine days.

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Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

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The UK Independence Party is facing fresh turmoil after its new leader,

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Diane James, announced she was resigning.

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Ms James, who was elected less than three weeks ago,

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said in a statement she didn't feel she had sufficient support.

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Her predecessor, Nigel Farage, stood down after the Brexit vote

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in June and has ruled out standing in any future leadership contest.

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He also said that Diane James had faced "considerable unpleasantness"

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Ladies and gentlemen, it is an absolute pleasure

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to announce, with 8,451 votes, the leader of the UK Independence

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Less than three weeks ago, Diane James was chosen by Ukip

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An MEP from the south-east, she was deemed by many the credible,

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stable hand the party needed and she promised change,

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speaking of the need for unity after a period of bitter infighting.

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Wherever you are in the United Kingdom at the moment,

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I ask you, support me, work with me, win with me,

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make Ukip the winning machine it will become.

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In a statement she says she is stepping outside saying:

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Diane James cited professional and personal reasons.

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It's thought she is contending with family illness

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as well as having suffered some abuse since her election.

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Speculation is rife about who will take over.

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There will be an emergency meeting of the party's ruling body

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to decide the next steps but for now her sudden departure

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Speculation is rife about who will take over.

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Our Political Correspondent Iain Watson is in Westminster.

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It is not clear what happens next and I will explain why. First of

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all, Nigel Farage told me this morning that he is checking with the

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Electoral Commission to find out if he is still leader of the party

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because what Diane James should have done was put a form into the

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Electoral Commission saying she was leader of the party after her

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election, there are rumours she wrote on to that form that she was

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doing it under duress. If that's the case Nigel Farage is still

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technically leader. However, it doesn't look as if he is willing to

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stay on in the job unlike after the general election when he unresigned

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within a few days so it is likely we will get fresh elections. We don't

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know who the runners and riders are, but Suzanne Evans, who has suspended

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from the party, that suspension has been lifted and Steven Woolfe who

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was unable to stand last time because he got his nomination papers

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in 18 minutes too late, he may well throw his hat in the ring as well.

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Lisa Duffy a UK councillor told the BBC this morning that shao he is not

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ruling it out. We expect elections in the next couple of months, but

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the first thing we have to clarify is whether there will be an interim

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leader or whether Nigel Farage will be back on our screens with the

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title Ukip leader in evidence? Joanna is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary Theresa May will pledge to make

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the Conservatives the party for "ordinary working-class people"

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in a speech on the final day of The Prime Minister will make clear

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she wants to claim the "new centre ground of British politics",

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and that Labour has lost the right to represent the interests

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of its traditional voters. Our political correspondent

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Carole Walker reports Hurricane Matthew has hit Cuba

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after leaving a trail of devastation in its wake across Haiti

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and the Dominican Republic. A number of people were killed

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in the strongest hurricane to hit Our correspondent Nick Bryant

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reports from Haiti. Haiti has taken a brutal pounding

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from the worst storm to rip through the Caribbean

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in almost a decade. Hurricane Matthew has brought

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sustained winds of 145mph. This is one of the world's

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poorest nations. And many of the country's 11 million

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people live in shanty towns that offer little protection

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from the high winds and rains. Many refuse to evacuate,

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fearing the few possessions This is the main route

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into the capital, Port-au-Prince, almost impassible as the floodwaters

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began to rise. And the fear is of catastrophic

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mudslides in a landscape badly Hurricane Matthew could drop as much

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as three-feet of rain and we're seeing evidence of

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flash-flooding already. The conditions here are

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absolutely atrocious. To step outside is to become

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drenched within seconds. But coastal areas along the southern

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shoreline, which we've yet been able to reach,

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are by far the worst hit. There the floodwaters are said

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to be shoulder high. The two American vice-presidential

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candidates have clashed over foreign policy,

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the economy and Donald Trump's taxes in their first

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and only televised debate. The Democratic senator, Tim Kaine,

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said he was scared to death by the thought of Donald Trump

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as commander-in-chief of US forces. Mr Trump's Republican running-mate,

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Mike Pence, said people were right to question the trustworthiness

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of Hillary Clinton. We have a tax code, senator, that

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actually is designed to encourage entrepreneurship... Well, why won't

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he release his tax returns. His tax returns show he went through a very

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difficult time but he used the tax code the way it is supposed to be

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used and he did it brilliantly. He said he would release his tax

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returns. When Hillary said, "You haven't been paying taxes. He said,

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"That makes me smart. So it is smart not to pay for teachers and I guess

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all of us who pay for those things, I guess we're stupid.

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The president of the Philippines has renewed his attack

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on President Obama over his drugs policy which has resulted

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in the killing of thousands of alleged drug dealers in just

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Last month Rodrigo Duterte called Obama a "son of a whore",

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prompting the White House to cancel a meeting between the two leaders.

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Now Mr Duterte has said that Mr Obama could "go to hell",

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and that he might end his country's alliance with the US.

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A United Nations official in Syria has called for an immediate end

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to the bombing of eastern Aleppo by Government and Russian forces.

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Kieran Dwyer of Unicef says the types of attacks that

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are being carried out using massive explosives

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106 children in rebel-held Aleppo have died in the past nine days.

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A woman who helped her husband fake his own death has said

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she will feel guilt "for the rest of my life" for lying

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Ann Darwin hid John Darwin in their Teesside home for several

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years after he pretended to go missing on a canoe trip in the North

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But their story unravelled and both were sentenced to more

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The actor Ben Stiller has revealed he's been successfully treated

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The 50-year-old was diagnosed with a tumour in 2014.

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Writing about his experience on social media, he says he wants

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to share his story to lend support for a screening test that he says

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

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We have clips of the interview with Anne Darwin on Facebook. Emily says,

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"Other poor me. Bla-bla." Maggie says, "She put greed before her

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children. A despicable woman." Lisa, "Surely this woman doesn't want

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sympathy." This viewer says, "She knew more than she let on. To lie to

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her sons was disgusting." I will be really interested to hear what you

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have got to say after you have seen the full interview.

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Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

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use the hashtag Victoria live and If you text, you will be charged

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He's often in the news isn't he, and often not for good reasons.

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He did a interview with Rolling Stone magazine recently

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In it he reveals he's taken lots of cocaine, is suffering

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from depression, and doesn't want to live anymore.

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Earlier this week, people close to Fury told of how worried

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He pulled out of a world heavyweight rematch with Vladimir Klitschko

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for a second time recently, saying he was suffering

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He has a anti-doping hearing next month for an alleged drugs

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Here's what he had to say to Rolling Stone.

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I should add that Fury also says he stopped all drug and alcohol use

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And wants to be left alone to deal with his demons.

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So it seems unlikely Victoria that we'll see him

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Maria Sharapova, the ban for doping has been cut. There has been a mixed

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response, hasn't there? Essentially this

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is a tennis player - one of the best tennis

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players in the world - found guilty of taking

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a banned substance and although she had her ban

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reduced from 24 months to 15, But her racquet sponsors Head

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were quick to release a statement of congratulations for Sharapova

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saying "justice has been served" They added that they were "proud"

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to have stuck by Sharapova and even called for a "wholesale

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comprehensive review" Some people weren't happy

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about that, certainly not on social media, feeling that Head

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were supporting a drugs cheat. Remember that Nike and Porsche

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suspended their relationships with Sharapova when news

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of her failed drugs test came to light, but Head taking

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a very different response. And Wayne Rooney and comments about

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Sam Allardyce. He's basically defended himself

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against claims made by the former Rooney came in for a bit of stick

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after an unimpressive performance in England's 1-0 win over

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Slovakia last month. Allardyce claimed Rooney had

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played where he wanted. Rooney has now said actually,

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I played exactly where I was asked. Rooney told the media that Allardyce

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knew he had made a mistake and that Allardyce had even apologised

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to him on the plane home. Rooney goes on to say

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he was "slaughtered" by the press and fans

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but he thought his performance Interesting to get such candid

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comments from the England captain. We will have more on that at 10am.

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The headlines at 9.30am. "The guilt will remain with me

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for the rest of my life" - that's how Anne Darwin

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describes her decision to make her sons believe their father

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John Darwin had died Speaking to this programme,

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Anne Darwin says that going along with her husband's decision

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to fake his own death in order to claim insurance money

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was like "getting on a roller-coaster ride

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that she couldn't get off". They were both eventually caught

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five years later and sentenced Take the North Sea, a canoe

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and a death certificate. The conclusion, under normal

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circumstances, the tragic death But this case is

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anything but normal. In reality, John Darwin,

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saddled with debts, had faked his own death

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as part of a ?250,000 fraud. In 2002, he took his canoe down

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to the water near where he lived with his wife, Anne Darwin,

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and paddled out to sea. He left his canoe in the water

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and came back to shore, arranging for his wife to dispose

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of his wet clothes in a skip A body, of course, was never found,

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but in 2003, a coroner announced Of course, he was alive and well,

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living in a vacant bedsit at the side of the family home,

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accessed via a secret entrance I didn't think I would be caught

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for the simple reason that I would change my

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appearance dramatically. I had a stick, I had

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a limp, I had a stoop. Whenever the couple's sons came

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to visit their mother, he would make His wife, Anne Darwin,

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has always described this as the most difficult part

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of the ruse. John Darwin was, however,

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spotted from time to time. Some neighbours didn't quite piece

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together the truth. Now, when I look back now,

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yeah, I actually saw him, where he was, especially

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when he said where he The couple's ultimate

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aim was to move abroad. John Darwin would use the identity

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of a dead baby, born around the same time as him to acquire a fake

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passport and move to Panama, buying a house with Anne Darwin

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using the money from the scam. The problem however

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was that the Panama government decided to have a crackdown on visas

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for immigrants and that meant it would be impossible for John Darwin

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to stay under his fake identity. He decided to return home

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and pretend he had amnesia, reporting himself to

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the police in London. His wife, Anne Darwin,

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feigned shock and surprise. John Darwin very well might have

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been suffering amnesia Then the media picked

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up on the story. Publishing a photo of

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the couple from 2006, The couple were

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arrested and charged. John Darwin was sentenced

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to six years and three months and Anne Darwin

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six and a half years. She had pleaded not guilty, using

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the defence of marital coercion, While in prison, she ended her

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marriage with John Darwin over the phone and work

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hard at rebuilding her In an in-depth interview she tells

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us that she never thought She says she's not a good liar and

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that she is now happy her life. We'll play you that interview in two

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parts over the programme - here she starts by telling us why

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she's speaking out now. I think I have just reached a point

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in my life where I want to finally put this whole episode behind me,

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and I want to start looking What do you think about your former

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husband, John Darwin, now? I have no feelings

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toward him whatsoever. Completely zero,

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nothing, no emotion? He obviously has embarked

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on a new life in the Philippines with his new wife and that is fine,

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that is his new life and I am not part of it and I am happy I am

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living the life I lead now When your husband first

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talked about this plan of somehow faking his death,

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what do you recall about those I was absolutely shocked that he

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would even contemplate such a thing. I begged of him to declare

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bankruptcy and he just wouldn't hear of it and it

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didn't matter what I said, or how many times I said it,

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he was just having none of it. He said he couldn't live

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with the shame of bankruptcy, but instead we had to live with

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the shame of a criminal record now. And why, because you owned various

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properties you are renting out? We did, but they were all grouped

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together in one mortgage. We started out buying one house

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to let and that was as a replacement pension fund for myself,

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because I hadn't paid I was quite happy to go along

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with that, but then John just wanted more and more, until eventually

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we had something like 12 properties. But he wasn't able to finance them

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properly and it was just a nightmare So this idea of pretending that he'd

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died so you could claim the life insurance and mortgage

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company pay-outs, you said you were shocked initially,

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but the conversation didn't just happen one day and the next day

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he paddles out in a canoe, It was weeks, I think,

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when he suggested faking his death. Initially he contemplated

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crashing his car but then thought he could either injure himself badly

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or indeed kill himself and he didn't He did watch the weather and just

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sprung it on me the day before that it will be ideal weather

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conditions tomorrow to put this At this point you are

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saying what to him? I am still saying don't do it,

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please don't do it, He always said it will all be over

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in a couple of weeks. It will only take two weeks and then

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I will be able to come back Neither of us envisaged that it

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would be as prolonged as it was. I certainly didn't expect

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it to go on for years. Once you get on that roller coaster,

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it is difficult to get out. What is the roller-coaster that

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means you can't get off when you are going to have

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to pretend that he is dead and you're going to lie to your sons

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who are then going to be grieving? That is easy to get off that

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roller-coaster, isn't it? It wasn't, because John had always

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been the controlling partner. He'd always made all of

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the decisions in life, particularly I always felt he was better equipped

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to deal with those things from the early days in our marriage,

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and I just got into a habit Because he was adamant that it

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would be over in a short time, I just got swept along with it,

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and I just didn't have the courage Talk us through the morning

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when John Darwin is going off It was an awful, surreal,

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strange moment to be living. How I got through

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the day, I don't know. It was just going through

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the motions and at one point in the afternoon

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there was a phone call from him and I thought he has seen sense

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at last, he went through with it, but his phone call was asking me

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to get home sooner, if I could, to take him on to his journey,

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where he could travel I was just a complete wreck and then

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I had to meet him at the rendezvous point and again I said do you really

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want to go through with this, He said I have not gone

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through all of this, we have not got to this point

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to turn back, I'm going through with it

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and I need your help. It was you who had to ring

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the police, I thought I am here and I am doing

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this and I just don't want to do it but all the time I had his voice

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in my head saying you have to do it, you have to do it,

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I need you to do this. Then that launched the lifeboats

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going out and a search party which went on for a number of hours,

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and all the time you knew Yes, and I feel dreadful

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that I did that. It is something that is quite

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unforgivable, to have endangered I would like to say sorry

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to the RNLI for doing that. This is one of the reasons I want

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them to benefit from the book. I am not allowed to profit

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from the book because I would end up back in prison, and having

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experienced that once in my lifetime I certainly don't want

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to experience it a second time. Tell us what it was like telling

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your sons the news that their dad was missing, feared

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dead, when he wasn't. Fortunately I didn't have

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to do that in person. Nonetheless, that guilt will remain

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with me for the rest of my life and I am just so grateful

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that they have allowed me back into their lives and offered

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me a second chance. For most people it is unimaginable

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that this massive lie you have to carry it on to your children,

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who you love dearly, you have to go through

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a funeral, you have Tell us about your husband coming

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back to the family home and hiding, effectively, next door

:26:16.:26:30.

whenever your sons came round or anybody knocked

:26:31.:26:32.

on the door, how he was having keep It was two quite large houses

:26:33.:26:35.

and there were connecting doors on each floor,

:26:36.:26:46.

so if we heard a car approaching on the gravel drive,

:26:47.:26:51.

or it was a knock on the window, or a knock at the door,

:26:52.:26:54.

I would go to the window to see who was there,

:26:55.:26:59.

who was approaching, and we would then decide

:27:00.:27:02.

whether he had to make an escape into his bedsit next door,

:27:03.:27:06.

or whether he could remain In fact, as time went on,

:27:07.:27:10.

John Darwin got more and more confident and would be out

:27:11.:27:20.

and about in disguise, but one of his former

:27:21.:27:25.

colleagues thought he The police telephoned one day

:27:26.:27:27.

and said it had been reported by someone that John had been

:27:28.:27:36.

in the area and they asked me had I seen him, and I said no,

:27:37.:27:44.

I hadn't and it wasn't until much later it had been a former

:27:45.:27:47.

colleague of John's. Then, the plan to go

:27:48.:27:51.

to Panama, he had looked at various other places,

:27:52.:27:55.

but it ended up being Panama. Because he had always been that

:27:56.:27:59.

controlling influence in my life. I couldn't envisage

:28:00.:28:21.

life without him. At what point did John Darwin

:28:22.:28:28.

say and why did he say, I am going to go back to England

:28:29.:28:31.

and say I have had an easier and here I am alive

:28:32.:28:34.

and everything will be all right? He had known for a while that

:28:35.:28:49.

the visa rules in Panama were not He felt it was too

:28:50.:28:52.

big a risk to stay... Because he was

:28:53.:28:56.

on a fake passport So he wanted to come back

:28:57.:28:58.

to England, re-establish himself as John Darwin and then hopefully go

:28:59.:29:06.

and return back to Panama. It was in Panama that the now

:29:07.:29:09.

infamous photograph was taken of yourself and your husband

:29:10.:29:14.

and a property agent which led, When that photograph

:29:15.:29:16.

was being taken, did you think that was a risk,

:29:17.:29:27.

that was potentially careless? My biggest fear was that the boys

:29:28.:29:36.

would see the photograph if it should be posted on an internal site

:29:37.:29:41.

somewhere, but we were just led to think that it would go

:29:42.:29:51.

on to the wall of the property agent I tried to put all thoughts of that

:29:52.:29:54.

to the back of my mind. Because he thought he got away

:29:55.:29:59.

with faking the death, he thought he could get away

:30:00.:30:02.

with just turning up in a police station one day and saying he had

:30:03.:30:05.

had amnesia for a number of years? Well, he came across to me

:30:06.:30:09.

as believing that the police would just more for less

:30:10.:30:12.

accept what he was saying. I thought they really

:30:13.:30:14.

would see through it. But actually, the police

:30:15.:30:19.

did take his story They contacted your sons,

:30:20.:30:21.

who were completely overwhelmed and a huge mass of emotion

:30:22.:30:31.

because they had grieved, but then this amazing feeling of elation,

:30:32.:30:34.

but then confusion and bewilderment and lots of questions

:30:35.:30:37.

and so on and so forth and you had to pretend when you got a phone call

:30:38.:30:44.

from one of your sons that you were shocked that

:30:45.:30:47.

suddenly your husband had turned up, having forgotten his memory

:30:48.:30:50.

apparently, Again, that phone call

:30:51.:30:51.

was so full of emotion but it was relief on my part knowing

:30:52.:30:56.

that they once again knew I had all those feelings of guilt

:30:57.:30:59.

and regret and it was just a very Then it unravelled, because that

:31:00.:31:12.

photograph of you and your husband and the property agent had been

:31:13.:31:27.

found on the internet because your names were in the press

:31:28.:31:31.

again because John Darwin had turned up and that was sent to a journalist

:31:32.:31:34.

and that journalist travelled That was the beginning

:31:35.:31:37.

of the next stage, yes. Lynn says, "I worked with Anne

:31:38.:32:02.

Darwin. She cried every day and fooled us all." Another viewer says,

:32:03.:32:07.

"People make mistakes when they are desperate. It is easy to get into.

:32:08.:32:15.

Not so uneasy to unravel and easy for others to judge. Annie says,

:32:16.:32:26.

"Anne Darwin is only sad that she was caught." This from Denise, "I

:32:27.:32:36.

knew Anne Darwin and her husband John many years before she committed

:32:37.:32:42.

this crime, no matter how despicable people think she is, I can accept

:32:43.:32:45.

completely that she was under the complete control of her husband and

:32:46.:32:48.

did not have the confidence to refuse to do what he demanded of

:32:49.:32:53.

her. What she says about him is true."

:32:54.:33:01.

And after 10am we'll hear more from Anne Darwin.

:33:02.:33:06.

She'll talk about her relationship with her sons and her

:33:07.:33:09.

Her book "out of my depth" is out now.

:33:10.:33:12.

And of course we didn't pay Anne Darwin for her interview with us.

:33:13.:33:15.

With the airstrikes and violence in Aleppo increasing

:33:16.:33:19.

over recent weeks - the impact on children

:33:20.:33:21.

has been devastating - Over one hundred have been killed

:33:22.:33:23.

We will speak to those trying to help them.

:33:24.:33:31.

Boxer Tyson Fury says taking cocaine and getting drunk out of his mind

:33:32.:33:35.

are the only ways he can cope with his manic depression.

:33:36.:33:40.

He says he hopes someone kills him before he kills himself.

:33:41.:33:42.

We'll get reaction from those who know him.

:33:43.:33:48.

Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:33:49.:33:50.

The leader of Ukip Diane James has resigned just 18 days

:33:51.:33:55.

She cited personal and professional reasons for her resignation,

:33:56.:33:59.

saying she didn't feel she had sufficient authority.

:34:00.:34:01.

Her predecessor, Nigel Farage, has said he doesn't want

:34:02.:34:03.

Theresa May will pledge to make the Conservatives the party

:34:04.:34:11.

for "ordinary working-class people" in a speech

:34:12.:34:14.

on the final day of the Tory conference in Birmingham.

:34:15.:34:18.

The Prime Minister is expected to criticise MPs who view patriotism as

:34:19.:34:24.

distasteful. in its wake across Haiti

:34:25.:34:28.

and the Dominican Republic. Hurricane Matthew has hit Cuba

:34:29.:34:31.

after leaving a trail of devastation in its wake across Haiti

:34:32.:34:34.

and the Dominican Republic. A number of people were killed

:34:35.:34:36.

in the strongest hurricane to hit 145mph winds destroyed

:34:37.:34:39.

houses, left roads blocked Preparations are beginning

:34:40.:34:42.

in some US states for The two American vice-presidential

:34:43.:34:45.

candidates have clashed over foreign policy,

:34:46.:34:52.

the economy and Donald Trump's taxes in their first

:34:53.:34:54.

and only televised debate. The Democratic senator, Tim Kaine,

:34:55.:34:59.

said he was scared to death at the thought of Donald Trump

:35:00.:35:02.

being in charge of US forces. Mr Trump's Republican running-mate,

:35:03.:35:05.

Mike Pence, said people were right to question the trustworthiness

:35:06.:35:07.

of Hillary Clinton. A woman who helped her husband

:35:08.:35:14.

fake his own death has told this programme that she will feel guilty

:35:15.:35:17.

for the rest of her life for lying Anne Darwin hid John Darwin

:35:18.:35:20.

in their Teesside home for several years, after he pretended to go

:35:21.:35:24.

missing on a canoe trip in the North But their story unravelled and both

:35:25.:35:28.

were sentenced to more I have no feelings towards him

:35:29.:35:45.

whatsoever. Completely zero, nothing? Completely, zero. No

:35:46.:35:52.

emotion whatsoever. He has embarked on a new life in the Philippines

:35:53.:35:57.

with his new wife and that's his life and I'm not part of it and I'm

:35:58.:36:03.

happy that I'm living the life that I lead now as an Independent person.

:36:04.:36:07.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:36:08.:36:09.

Thank you for your comments about Ukip. This text from Mark says, "I

:36:10.:36:17.

am a Ukip member. There is no turmoil for the party. There won't

:36:18.:36:20.

be a general election until 2020 and we will have a new leader soon, so

:36:21.:36:28.

where is the turmoil. PS, I wish Diane James well." Michael says,

:36:29.:36:33.

"Not long after she was voted leader Diane James was accosted, spat and

:36:34.:36:38.

abused by a left-wing activist. You have been reporting on stories where

:36:39.:36:42.

Labour MPs especially women have been abused by left-wing activists,

:36:43.:36:47.

why not this one? Is it because it is Ukip?" After 10am, we will talk

:36:48.:36:52.

to Nigel Farage as well. Could he return as leader? Despite

:36:53.:36:56.

protestations from him that he won't?

:36:57.:37:00.

World heavyweight champion Tyson Fury has admitted to taking

:37:01.:37:04.

"lots of cocaine" and wanting to kill himself.

:37:05.:37:06.

In an interview with Rolling Stone magazine, Fury said he was suffering

:37:07.:37:10.

from depression and wanted to be left alone to deal with his demons.

:37:11.:37:18.

Some comments from Wayne Rooney this morning. He says former manager Sam

:37:19.:37:25.

Allardyce knew he made a mistake when he said that Rooney played

:37:26.:37:36.

wherever he wanted against Slovakia. Maria Sharapova still doesn't

:37:37.:37:40.

believe that meldonium has any performance enhancing qualities. She

:37:41.:37:47.

said in Russia, where she is from, the drug is taken like aspirin.

:37:48.:37:50.

British number one Johanna Konta is through to the third

:37:51.:37:52.

round of the China Open in Beijing after a straight sets win over

:37:53.:37:55.

Victory too for Kyle Edmund in the men's singles.

:37:56.:37:59.

Sorry I had a few issues with pictures. We'll get that right at

:38:00.:38:04.

10am. Theresa May will say today she wants

:38:05.:38:08.

the Conservatives the party to be She will be making a speech

:38:09.:38:11.

on the final day of the Tory Our political guru,

:38:12.:38:16.

Norman Smith, is there. And I think, where is he?

:38:17.:38:25.

There he is! Phew, you are there Norman!

:38:26.:38:28.

LAUGHTER I'm on the balcony, don't worry.

:38:29.:38:31.

They are loving their new Prime Minister, aren't they? They are.

:38:32.:38:38.

Today, Vic is May Day when we get the Prime Minister's big pitch and

:38:39.:38:42.

we're told it will be about building a new centre ground in British

:38:43.:38:46.

politics. Of course, I have to say, pretty much all party leaders tend

:38:47.:38:49.

to talk that sort of language, you think Tony Blair talked about

:38:50.:38:56.

famously Mondeo man and Gordon Brown had his hard-pressed working

:38:57.:38:59.

families, David Cameron, I think, had a squeezed middle. What we get

:39:00.:39:03.

from Theresa May today is those who are just getting by. People who have

:39:04.:39:08.

got a job, got a house, but they are still struggling. They are still

:39:09.:39:11.

maybe they have got to take two jobs. They are finding life hard.

:39:12.:39:16.

Those are the sort of people Theresa May is trying to appeal to, but

:39:17.:39:23.

let's listen how she cat gor rises those just getting by people? If

:39:24.:39:29.

you're from an ordinary working class, life is harder than most

:39:30.:39:31.

people in Westminster realise. You have a job, but you don't always

:39:32.:39:35.

have job security. You have your own home, but you worry about paying the

:39:36.:39:40.

mortgage. You can just about manage, but you worry about the cost of

:39:41.:39:43.

living and getting your kids into a good school. If you're one of those

:39:44.:39:48.

families, if you're just managing, I want to address you directly. I know

:39:49.:39:53.

you're working around the clock, I know you're doing your best and I

:39:54.:39:57.

know that sometimes life can be a struggle. The Government I lead will

:39:58.:40:03.

be driven not by the interests of the privileged few, but by yours. We

:40:04.:40:09.

will do everything we can to give you more control over your lives.

:40:10.:40:15.

When we take the big calls, we'll think not of the powerful, but you.

:40:16.:40:20.

When we pass new laws, we'll listen not to the mighty, but to you. When

:40:21.:40:25.

it comes to taxes, we'll prioritise, not the wealthy, but you. When it

:40:26.:40:31.

comes to opportunity, we won't entrench at the advantages of the

:40:32.:40:34.

fortunate few, we will do everything we can to help anybody, whatever

:40:35.:40:39.

your background, to go as far as as your talents will take you.

:40:40.:40:45.

So, what is Mrs May going to do for those who are just getting by? Well,

:40:46.:40:49.

she will point to grammar schools because she believes grammar schools

:40:50.:40:53.

can be an engine of social mobility. They can help ordinary working class

:40:54.:40:58.

kids to get on, to get good jobs. She has pointed out that she and

:40:59.:41:02.

Jeremy Corbyn both went to grammar schools and wouldn't have got where

:41:03.:41:04.

they are today if they hadn't gone to grammar schools. And she'll talk

:41:05.:41:09.

about housing and she'll point to the fact that her Government, she

:41:10.:41:14.

says, is going to borrow money to lend to small developers to build

:41:15.:41:19.

more affordable homes. She'll talk about using more land which is owned

:41:20.:41:23.

by the State for developers to build homes on. To make more affordable

:41:24.:41:28.

housing available to people who are just getting by and lastly, she is

:41:29.:41:33.

going to talk about jobs and she'll say there will be new obligations on

:41:34.:41:39.

companies to recruit and train and offer apprenticeships to more

:41:40.:41:42.

British workers. There will be new tests that companies have to face

:41:43.:41:47.

before they can simply go abroad and recruit people from abroad before

:41:48.:41:51.

looking at the sort of available labour in the UK. But you have to

:41:52.:41:56.

say Vic, the big hulking elephant sitting in the living room is, of

:41:57.:42:01.

course, Brexit! And again and again Europe has been the issue which has

:42:02.:42:08.

devoured previous Tory leaders, think of David Cameron, the man who

:42:09.:42:12.

offered that referendum, he seemed pretty confident he was going to win

:42:13.:42:17.

it. He launched Project Fear and the rest is history. He was out of a job

:42:18.:42:21.

the next morning. Think of John Major, he called his Cabinet

:42:22.:42:26.

colleagues names for plotting against him over Europe and there

:42:27.:42:31.

were constant rebellions and revolts against him during his premiership

:42:32.:42:35.

because Tory MPs didn't believe he was tough enough on Europe and Mrs

:42:36.:42:38.

Thatcher, the woman who said, no, no, no Europe, even in the end, she

:42:39.:42:45.

too was forced to step down because of that crunch issue of Europe and

:42:46.:42:49.

Theresa May will know those tensions still exist. Well, let's mull over

:42:50.:42:53.

some of that with two Tory members who have come to this conference,

:42:54.:43:00.

Carol and Hugo. Carol, Europe is the issue which divided your party for

:43:01.:43:03.

so long, the question is can Theresa May put it back together again over

:43:04.:43:09.

Brexit? I believe so. I'm confident she will. I really hope today that I

:43:10.:43:16.

will hear she will. I'm a recent Conservative member and a reluctant

:43:17.:43:22.

leaver. You want to know exactly how leaving and Brexit is going to

:43:23.:43:28.

impact on small businesses, normal people, people in surburbia, I want

:43:29.:43:32.

to know how she is going to help guide us through that, that's what I

:43:33.:43:36.

want to hear today. Hugo, you will know, looking at the history of the

:43:37.:43:39.

Tory Party, every Tory leader seems in the end to have been devoured by

:43:40.:43:44.

Europe. Is history about to repeat itself? I don't think so, Norman,

:43:45.:43:49.

no, if you look at David Cameron, the economy figures are quite strong

:43:50.:43:52.

at the moment and history will look back at David Cameron as the man who

:43:53.:43:58.

gave us a referendum on Europe and history will thank him for doing

:43:59.:44:02.

because eventually everyone will thank us for leaving. Theresa May is

:44:03.:44:06.

off to a flying start. The at moss fore in the conference is

:44:07.:44:09.

acceptance. The remainers accepted the result. We want to know what the

:44:10.:44:13.

world is going to hold for us after Brexit. Theresa May is a mystery in

:44:14.:44:17.

many ways. She has barned politics a long time, but a lot of people think

:44:18.:44:22.

she is a bit of an enigma, what does she have to do and she has to tell

:44:23.:44:29.

us about herself? I think she does. I wasn't a member of the Bullingdon

:44:30.:44:36.

club, I struggled to relate to the Cameron-Osborne era, but Theresa May

:44:37.:44:40.

maybe I can relate to her more. I want to back her. I want to hear

:44:41.:44:46.

more about how normal she is. And Hugo, I mean when people try to

:44:47.:44:50.

identify who Mrs May is, you get the sense that she is not really a very

:44:51.:44:55.

sort of idea sort of person. You almost feel she is more of a

:44:56.:44:58.

pragmatist when it comes to politics, she doesn't have a core

:44:59.:45:01.

set of beliefs, she tries to handle issues and problems as they crop up?

:45:02.:45:05.

Well, we do see a different style of leadership to David Cameron. David

:45:06.:45:08.

Cameron was more of a thinker, I think Theresa May is more of an

:45:09.:45:12.

actions person. And I think that's a good thing. I think it is a good

:45:13.:45:17.

thing to shape up a bit differently, but I'm looking forward to hearing

:45:18.:45:21.

what she has to say because I think that this will divine her

:45:22.:45:22.

premiership. Let's talk immigration, are you

:45:23.:45:34.

happy with what the parties propose -- what the party is proposing?

:45:35.:45:40.

Immigration isn't a big issue for me, personally. I voted Leave in the

:45:41.:45:44.

end because of the democratic deficit. I think immigration has a

:45:45.:45:49.

huge part to play in Brexit. I would like to see we're looking towards a

:45:50.:45:54.

world, rather than just focusing on Europe. I think it's a balance that

:45:55.:45:59.

can be struck and I really hope the party can, the government can strike

:46:00.:46:04.

that balance. Your thoughts? I don't want to see too much bureaucracy

:46:05.:46:09.

placed on immigration. I was opposed to free movement of people in

:46:10.:46:12.

general, but you should be able to go to a country and accept a job,

:46:13.:46:17.

particularly a high skilled job that country needs. I don't want to see

:46:18.:46:21.

too much red tape put on the system. There we go, thank you for your

:46:22.:46:26.

time. I think it is fair to say that although Theresa May has quite

:46:27.:46:30.

successfully managed to contain the issue of Brexit at this conference,

:46:31.:46:34.

there has been a lot of big policy announcements, it has gone to plan

:46:35.:46:39.

for team May, my feeling is when it gets back to Westminster it will be

:46:40.:46:45.

game on when it comes to Brexit and difficult to keep a lid on how on

:46:46.:46:49.

earth we get out of the European Union. Thank you very much, Norman.

:46:50.:46:54.

Theresa May's speech live later on BBC News today.

:46:55.:46:57.

The world's most awarded and iconic club closes its doors

:46:58.:47:00.

And after ten o'clock we will talk to a former leader of Ukip, he's

:47:01.:47:11.

done it a couple of times... Nigel Farage, about whether that party is

:47:12.:47:16.

in turmoil or not after Diane James, the recently elected leader,

:47:17.:47:17.

resigned after 18 days. A United Nations official in Syria

:47:18.:47:21.

is calling for an immediate end to the bombing of eastern Aleppo

:47:22.:47:24.

by Government and Russian forces. Kieran Dwyer of Unicef says

:47:25.:47:28.

there have been blatant 106 children in rebel-held

:47:29.:47:30.

Aleppo have been killed in the past nine days,

:47:31.:47:37.

and as our Special Correspondent Fergal Keane reports,

:47:38.:47:41.

many more have been injured. A warning his report contains

:47:42.:47:43.

some distressing images Russian and Syrian government bombs

:47:44.:47:45.

fall on rebel held eastern Aleppo. Abu Al-Zayat, seven,

:47:46.:48:10.

has shrapnel lodged near his spine. We can speak now to Fira Al Khateeb,

:48:11.:48:15.

spokesperson for the UN refugee And Sonia Khush, Syria Director

:48:16.:49:32.

for Save the Children. She is in Antakya, the Turkish city

:49:33.:49:40.

bordering Syria which is only a few It is absolutely grim for every

:49:41.:50:00.

family, Fira, particularly in the east of Aleppo, but for those

:50:01.:50:05.

families and children being killed, it is horrific? Yes, this is because

:50:06.:50:11.

of ongoing conflict. Ever since this crisis started. This has really been

:50:12.:50:19.

the main obstacle stopping us from delivering aid, the ongoing

:50:20.:50:25.

conflict. And now we are witnessing both sides of the city in Aleppo

:50:26.:50:30.

have no electricity or freshwater supplies and they are in dire need.

:50:31.:50:34.

Were missed the last time you did get access to Aleppo with aid?

:50:35.:50:45.

Aleppo, we operate in Aleppo and we have an office that receives

:50:46.:50:56.

products. It's been very disrupted and we have not been able to get

:50:57.:51:06.

through. The only time that we were able to do so in a smooth and

:51:07.:51:12.

ongoing manner with during the cessation of hostilities, that

:51:13.:51:14.

started earlier this year in February. We were able to reach over

:51:15.:51:22.

one point million civilians in besieged towns. Sonia Khush from

:51:23.:51:29.

Save The Children, you are there Syria director. The Syrian president

:51:30.:51:33.

doesn't care that kids are being killed, the Russians don't care they

:51:34.:51:36.

are killing kids, so I don't know how you stop this? Yes, it's really

:51:37.:51:42.

tragic to see there's been such a discriminant bombing of civilian

:51:43.:51:50.

areas. If they are bombing apartment buildings and schools and hospitals,

:51:51.:51:53.

surely they know that civilians make up the majority of people in those

:51:54.:51:59.

areas. Children just an safe anywhere in Aleppo right now. With

:52:00.:52:08.

this buster bombs, they are now hitting schools. There is no safe

:52:09.:52:13.

place to be a child in Aleppo now. For those who are severely injured,

:52:14.:52:17.

some of those bombs are also hitting hospitals? That's true. One of the

:52:18.:52:24.

main hospitals in Aleppo is completely out of service as of this

:52:25.:52:29.

week. There are very few remaining field hospitals. There's no chance

:52:30.:52:42.

to evacuate into Turkey any more. Options are limited for emergency

:52:43.:52:46.

health care. What else can anyone do to stop it? What really needs to

:52:47.:52:53.

happen is the bombardment needs to stop and then needs to be a

:52:54.:52:57.

ceasefire that nationally works this time, unlike the last time this was

:52:58.:53:00.

tried. At this point that's really the main issue. We need the bombing

:53:01.:53:07.

to stop. We need to get medical supplies back into those field

:53:08.:53:10.

hospitals to restock them. We need to get some sort of infrastructure

:53:11.:53:16.

running, schools up and running, so kids have a place to be that say.

:53:17.:53:23.

Options are running out while the aerial bombardment continues. Thank

:53:24.:53:27.

you very much to both of you for talking to us. Sonia Khush from Save

:53:28.:53:34.

The Children and Fira Al Khateeb from the UN refugee aid agency.

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Thank you for your e-mails. There was one that said thank you for your

:53:44.:53:46.

interview with Anne Darwin, does this individual thing she can fall

:53:47.:53:49.

us with faked his quest much she knew what she was getting into.

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Nobody believes she was being controlled by her husband. She

:53:53.:53:56.

should have served longer in jail for this crime. Don't give her the

:53:57.:54:01.

pleasure by buying her book, she is a fake like a husband. She said the

:54:02.:54:05.

proceeds of her book would go to the RNLI and RSPCA, where she now works.

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Another view is that I'm shocked the BBC has given this viewer airtime as

:54:11.:54:14.

if she was a victim. She was just as much a criminal as her husband. It

:54:15.:54:18.

was pure greed. She could have said no and left him. She was clearly

:54:19.:54:23.

happy in Panama, spending her ill gotten gains, I'm disgusted. Another

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says, and Darwin does seem genuinely sorry for what she did and she is a

:54:28.:54:32.

very lucky person of her sons can forgive her. I couldn't. Part two of

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her interview in the next hour of the programme.

:54:37.:54:41.

The world's most awarded and iconic club, Space Ibiza,

:54:42.:54:43.

has closed its doors for forever after 27 years of captivating

:54:44.:54:45.

It'll be replaced by a new club run by Ushuaia next year.

:54:46.:54:49.

Here's a film about why it was so good.

:54:50.:55:06.

Space has always been there, for something of which it's a

:55:07.:55:10.

discovery within yourself and the music.

:55:11.:55:12.

It's always been one of these places.

:55:13.:55:17.

That something magical happens.

:55:18.:55:19.

Something about being outside on the terrace, you never get

:55:20.:55:41.

I think what makes it so unique and special is Pepe.

:55:42.:55:58.

He never really thought I will build a club and make money.

:55:59.:56:01.

He just thought I'll build a club and make people

:56:02.:56:03.

So this is what Space has always been about.

:56:04.:56:06.

It was a match made in heaven based on our ethos and our initial success

:56:07.:56:10.

based on how people walked away from the club and kept

:56:11.:56:12.

I've been here for aeons and played too many people over the years.

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It was the sun coming up, everybody's out on the terrace,

:56:42.:56:45.

and the vibe was just, you felt like you

:56:46.:56:48.

The music would be playing in the afternoon and as

:56:49.:56:57.

the plane would come screaming down the crowds would just go "Yeah"

:56:58.:57:03.

and as the plane goes by overhead and the record kicks in, it's just

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You see these people that basically couldn't be any younger than their

:57:08.:57:11.

60s and 70s going for it, the same way 19, 20,

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And it's just those moments were the ones that made me

:57:15.:57:21.

realise how important music is to connect people.

:57:22.:57:24.

I kind of want to celebrate the spirit of the era of Space.

:57:25.:57:48.

Space is a worldwide award-winning club and its

:57:49.:57:53.

everybody's dream to be able to DJ and played music to people there.

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If you want to see the film again or share it it is on the BBC News site.

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Let's get the latest weather. Carol is with us and that hurricane has

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caused some damage. Yes, it has. Let me show you the track of Hurricane

:58:23.:58:27.

Matthew. You can see how over the next couple of days it goes through

:58:28.:58:32.

the Bahamas, eastern seaboard of Florida, heading towards Georgia and

:58:33.:58:38.

the Carolinas. Whether its landfall is open to question, it may do, but

:58:39.:58:42.

you can see the circles, that is the kind of area where the impacts will

:58:43.:58:45.

be felt. Currently there is a hurricane warning in force in the

:58:46.:58:50.

Bahamas, eastern parts of Florida, Miami has a tropical storm warning.

:58:51.:58:54.

This track could change out to sea or inland. If you have a look at the

:58:55.:59:02.

rainfall picture, as this hurricane transfers towards the Bahamas, which

:59:03.:59:06.

is fairly low lying, it's going to have wind speeds of 125 miles an

:59:07.:59:13.

hour. Those are sustained winds, the gusts will be much more. It will

:59:14.:59:19.

produce 200-400 millimetres of rain and you can imagine the impact,

:59:20.:59:24.

flash floods and huge storm surges. As it moves north-westwards, it's

:59:25.:59:29.

also going to be travelling at six miles an hour, quite slow, which

:59:30.:59:34.

means the impacts will be felt. It's quite a big beast still to be

:59:35.:59:38.

reckoned with. We will of course keep you updated on it as they go

:59:39.:59:41.

through the next few days. Back to the UK, the UK's forecast is

:59:42.:59:46.

a lot quieter. We have sunny spells today, feeling cooler than it did

:59:47.:59:49.

yesterday and it's going to feel cooler again by the time we get to

:59:50.:59:51.

Thursday. High pressure across Scandinavia is

:59:52.:59:58.

blocking weather fronts coming to our direction but you can see the

:59:59.:00:02.

flow of the isobars, today the wind coming from the south-east, tomorrow

:00:03.:00:05.

it will be more easterly. Which will be cooler. Today, after a cloudy

:00:06.:00:12.

start, the cloud turning over. Some of us already have a lot of

:00:13.:00:16.

sunshine. More sunshine to come. Breezy as well. If you are in the

:00:17.:00:21.

cloud and breeze it will feel quite nippy, but out of the cloud and

:00:22.:00:25.

breeze in the sunshine will feel nice. It should stay dry. In East

:00:26.:00:29.

Anglia, Essex and Kent this afternoon, blue skies. The same from

:00:30.:00:33.

the Midlands down to the Isle of Wight, heading towards the

:00:34.:00:36.

south-west. Here and now there will be bits and pieces of cloud but

:00:37.:00:40.

nothing that will be rain bearing. A lovely afternoon in Wales through

:00:41.:00:44.

Cheshire improve Lancashire, Cumbria, the Isle of Man. After a

:00:45.:00:48.

cloudy start in Northern Ireland, there will be some sunshine this

:00:49.:00:52.

afternoon. Highs in Belfast of around 15. For Scotland, sunshine

:00:53.:00:55.

across north-west Scotland. That will carry on through the day. Where

:00:56.:01:00.

we have cloud across eastern and southern parts of Scotland at the

:01:01.:01:03.

moment, that will break up. Some will cling to the East Coast. For

:01:04.:01:08.

north-east England, a chilly feel if you are on the coast without breeze

:01:09.:01:12.

coming in from the North Sea. As we head through the evening and

:01:13.:01:19.

overnight, to start with the breeze will be very noticeable. It will

:01:20.:01:21.

ease a little through the night and slowly we will see more cloud

:01:22.:01:23.

developed. With that combination means it won't be a particularly

:01:24.:01:27.

cold night. Most of us staying in double figures, except in rural

:01:28.:01:30.

areas where it will be a bit lower. Tomorrow, starting off on a cloudy

:01:31.:01:34.

note, but like today some of that cloud will break up. We will see

:01:35.:01:38.

sunny spells develop. Still quite breezy and somewhere could see the

:01:39.:01:41.

odd shower coming from thicker cloud. Showers will be hit and miss

:01:42.:01:45.

and most of us will miss them. Tomorrow with more of an easterly

:01:46.:01:50.

flow, it will feel cooler. Add on the fact that temperatures will be

:01:51.:01:55.

that bit lower at 13-14- 15, you get the picture. A quick look at Friday.

:01:56.:02:00.

A bit of cloud, some sunshine around, breezy conditions, 102-macro

:02:01.:02:04.

showers, more in the east, but most of us will miss them again.

:02:05.:02:07.

Temperatures feeling much more like autumn.

:02:08.:02:11.

Ukip is looking for a new leader again after the woman who got

:02:12.:02:22.

the job just over two weeks ago throws in the towel.

:02:23.:02:24.

Wonder how former leader Nigel Farage reacted to the news?

:02:25.:02:27.

Was it like this? Or like this? Or maybe like this?

:02:28.:02:37.

You get the picture. And we'll be asking him that

:02:38.:02:40.

when he speaks to us live In an in-depth interview

:02:41.:02:43.

Anne Darwin also tells us she's I had no idea that would happen. I

:02:44.:03:01.

was shocked when I learned that would be the case.

:03:02.:03:06.

I wish I could have spared them from that ordeal.

:03:07.:03:12.

Anne Darwin tells us about the first meeting she had with one of her sons

:03:13.:03:17.

after she went to jail. His first meeting with him and his wife in

:03:18.:03:24.

prison is when I found out that I had my first grandchild.

:03:25.:03:29.

Boxer Tyson Fury says taking cocaine and getting drunk out of his mind

:03:30.:03:32.

are the only ways he can cope with his manic depression.

:03:33.:03:34.

And that he hopes someone will kill him before

:03:35.:03:37.

We'll get reaction from those who know him.

:03:38.:03:50.

Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:03:51.:03:53.

The leader of Ukip, Diane James, has resigned just 18 days

:03:54.:04:00.

She cited personal and professional reasons for her resignation,

:04:01.:04:03.

saying she didn't feel she had sufficient authority.

:04:04.:04:05.

Her predecessor, Nigel Farage, has said he doesn't want

:04:06.:04:07.

Theresa May will address the Conservative conference later,

:04:08.:04:13.

saying she wants to position the party on the centre-ground

:04:14.:04:15.

The Prime Minister is also expected to criticise MPs who view patriotism

:04:16.:04:20.

as "distasteful" and she'll say that working people will no longer be

:04:21.:04:23.

ignored by the "powerful and the privileged".

:04:24.:04:28.

Hurricane Matthew has hit Cuba after leaving a trail of devastation

:04:29.:04:35.

in its wake across Haiti and the Dominican Republic.

:04:36.:04:37.

11 people are known to have been killed

:04:38.:04:39.

in the strongest hurricane to hit the Caribbean in almost a decade.

:04:40.:04:46.

145mph winds destroyed houses, left roads blocked

:04:47.:04:48.

Preparations are beginning in some US states for the arrival

:04:49.:04:51.

The two American vice-presidential candidates have clashed

:04:52.:04:54.

over foreign policy, the economy and Donald Trump's

:04:55.:04:56.

taxes in their first and only televised debate.

:04:57.:04:58.

The Democratic senator, Tim Kaine, said he was scared to death

:04:59.:05:00.

at the thought of Donald Trump being in charge of US forces.

:05:01.:05:03.

Mr Trump's Republican running-mate, Mike Pence, said people were right

:05:04.:05:06.

to question the trustworthiness of Hillary Clinton.

:05:07.:05:19.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:05:20.:05:21.

Some comments about Ukip and the fact that their new leader has

:05:22.:05:31.

resigned. Phil says, "I want to make a comment. I have been a Labour

:05:32.:05:35.

voter all my life, but started voting for Ukip a couple of years

:05:36.:05:39.

ago, but when Nigel Farage left recently I decided not to vote for

:05:40.:05:43.

them again because I think the party is without nothing as Nigel as its

:05:44.:05:50.

leader." David on Facebook says, "I will be backing Steven Woolfe, he is

:05:51.:05:54.

a great guy. He will move our cause forward. I wish Diane well and thank

:05:55.:05:58.

her for her service." Do get in touch with us

:05:59.:06:00.

throughout the morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live

:06:01.:06:03.

and If you text, you will be charged World heavyweight champion

:06:04.:06:06.

Tyson Fury has revealed he's taken lots of cocaine,

:06:07.:06:10.

is suffering from depression, In a interview with Rolling Stone

:06:11.:06:12.

magazine, Fury said he was suffering from depression and wanted to be

:06:13.:06:17.

left alone to deal with his demons. He told them, "Why

:06:18.:06:25.

shouldn't I take cocaine? He continued, "I'm in a very bad

:06:26.:06:27.

place at the moment. I don't know if I'm going to see

:06:28.:06:33.

the year out to be honest." And then, "If I could

:06:34.:06:37.

take my own life and I wasn't a Christian,

:06:38.:06:40.

I'd take it in a second. I just hope someone kills me before

:06:41.:06:43.

I kill myself." Fury also says he stopped all drug

:06:44.:06:46.

and alcohol use on the first But it seems unlikely that we'll

:06:47.:06:49.

see him in a boxing ring any time Maria Sharapova has spoken

:06:50.:06:53.

after her ban for taking the banned drug meldonium was reduced

:06:54.:06:57.

by nine months. The Russian was yesterday told

:06:58.:06:58.

she could resume her career next April by the Court

:06:59.:07:01.

of Arbitration for Sport. But despite being found guilty

:07:02.:07:03.

of doping, Sharapova still insists that meldonium

:07:04.:07:06.

is not performance enhancing. No, because I know how common it is.

:07:07.:07:16.

I know how common it is. I know that it is on the vital and essential

:07:17.:07:25.

list in Russia which protects along with ibrfen. I can't get my head

:07:26.:07:30.

around that fact and when I started taking it, I took it under my

:07:31.:07:34.

doctor's orders and that's why I kept taking it for years.

:07:35.:07:46.

And finally, an example of how not to repay friendship.

:07:47.:07:48.

American cyclist Jeremy Santucci was coming to the end

:07:49.:07:50.

of the Red Hook Criterium race in Milan when his frustration got

:07:51.:07:53.

the better of him - and he broke his bike in two.

:07:54.:07:56.

The trouble was - it wasn't his bike but his friend Sergio's who had

:07:57.:07:59.

I don't think Sergio will be loaning him anymore bikes or anything for

:08:00.:08:09.

that matter. No, but Sergio will forgive him, I think.

:08:10.:08:15.

It was a scam so brazen it shocked the world.

:08:16.:08:18.

In 2002 husband and wife John and Anne Darwin faked John's death,

:08:19.:08:21.

pretending he'd died in a canoeing accident.

:08:22.:08:26.

For years the couple lived a lie with John Darwin hiding in half

:08:27.:08:29.

of the large house they owned, while cashed in on

:08:30.:08:31.

In 2007, they moved to Panama with Mr Darwin

:08:32.:08:38.

He returned to the UK that year and walked into a police station,

:08:39.:08:44.

Mrs Darwin pretended to be shocked at his return but this photograph

:08:45.:08:55.

of the couple with an estate agent in Panama surfaced later

:08:56.:08:57.

Now in an in-depth interview Anne Darwin has told this programme

:08:58.:09:05.

she will feel guilty "for the rest of her life" for lying

:09:06.:09:08.

In this second part of our interview, she tells

:09:09.:09:12.

us about the moment she realises journalists had

:09:13.:09:14.

I was just flabbergasted at the speed in which I was tracked

:09:15.:09:22.

down to the very apartment in which I was living and I tried

:09:23.:09:26.

to ignore them for as long as I could but David

:09:27.:09:29.

He kept knocking and he said he could help me and he painted

:09:30.:09:46.

a very bleak picture of many more journalists coming to knock

:09:47.:09:48.

on the door and at that point I was absolutely

:09:49.:09:51.

terrified of being stuck in there and surrounded

:09:52.:09:53.

But Anne, you still carried on the lies with him, didn't you?

:09:54.:10:07.

This was part of the plan, I had to do it.

:10:08.:10:15.

His voice is still in my head saying this is the next stage.

:10:16.:10:21.

But you still had a chance in court to plead guilty

:10:22.:10:23.

The reason for pleading not guilty was because I wanted people

:10:24.:10:29.

to see that I hadn't gone along with it willingly.

:10:30.:10:31.

I always knew I would be found guilty.

:10:32.:10:37.

I didn't expect to get away with it by any means.

:10:38.:10:41.

You tried to persuade the jury that you did what you did,

:10:42.:10:44.

you went along with it, because of marital coercion,

:10:45.:10:46.

that your husband was effectively coercing

:10:47.:10:49.

I interviewed your husband, John Darwin, your ex-husband,

:10:50.:10:55.

back in 2011 and he had a slightly different picture

:10:56.:10:57.

I'm not going into percentages, but it was joint.

:10:58.:11:10.

At the end of the day, when she sold the properties,

:11:11.:11:15.

she was in the UK, I was abroad, everything was in her name,

:11:16.:11:18.

I didn't force her to go over to Panama, for example,

:11:19.:11:25.

She could have gone off to Australia and just disappeared into thin air.

:11:26.:11:37.

She wanted to be with me just as much as I wanted to be with her.

:11:38.:11:47.

But I wanted people to see that I hadn't gone

:11:48.:11:50.

along with it willingly but I feel that I didn't get that

:11:51.:11:52.

I was just in that alien environment and mentally and physically

:11:53.:11:58.

By pleading not guilty, what it meant was that your sons

:11:59.:12:09.

then ended up testifying against you in court.

:12:10.:12:12.

I had absolutely no idea that would happen.

:12:13.:12:17.

I was shocked when I learned that would be the case.

:12:18.:12:25.

I wish I could have spared them from that ordeal.

:12:26.:12:28.

From entering prison I had written to them on a regular basis just

:12:29.:12:32.

saying to them I do love you and I am sorry.

:12:33.:12:38.

The jury didn't believe your defence that you had been coerced and,

:12:39.:12:44.

in fact, you were given a longer jail sentence than John Darwin.

:12:45.:12:49.

Yes, I got six months longer than he did.

:12:50.:12:55.

Because you had pleaded not guilty, he pleaded guilty.

:12:56.:13:00.

What, and it is a huge question, what was it like in prison for you?

:13:01.:13:04.

It wasn't easy. I felt very isolated.

:13:05.:13:12.

To find yourself in a high security prison at the age of 56,

:13:13.:13:19.

having led a good life up until that incident was a bit of a nightmare.

:13:20.:13:24.

I was surrounded by some quite notorious people.

:13:25.:13:31.

I just felt like I didn't belong there.

:13:32.:13:44.

Knowing that everyone in prison knew my story made it even harder

:13:45.:13:56.

and I lost all contact with every member of my family.

:13:57.:14:02.

It took a few months before I heard from anyone at all.

:14:03.:14:14.

You wrote several letters to your sons and eventually

:14:15.:14:16.

Yes, a few months after the trial when I actually got a letter,

:14:17.:14:29.

But still, a sign that he was acknowledging you.

:14:30.:14:45.

Getting that letter offered me some hope that perhaps I hadn't

:14:46.:15:02.

lost them forever, which by this point,

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Then it was some months before I heard from him again

:15:05.:15:14.

and he asked if he could come and see me in prison.

:15:15.:15:19.

Because this was the first time he was going to ask me

:15:20.:15:31.

I was waiting for the visit and it was quite a cold greeting,

:15:32.:15:53.

a difficult visit, but when it came to an end, there was some affection

:15:54.:16:00.

and I was just greatly relieved and hopeful.

:16:01.:16:05.

That was effectively the beginning of you trying to rebuild trust

:16:06.:16:07.

It was quite a few more months after that before I actually

:16:08.:16:16.

It took him longer, and his first meeting with him

:16:17.:16:29.

and his wife in prison is when I found out that

:16:30.:16:32.

Again, that was a very emotional visit.

:16:33.:16:42.

It was when you were in prison that you decided to end your

:16:43.:16:45.

Do your sons still have a relationship with him, or do

:16:46.:16:54.

He felt, Anthony it was, felt that John had shown no

:16:55.:17:11.

remorse for what he had done, and so he has no contact

:17:12.:17:14.

He told me that he was really interested in contacting you once

:17:15.:17:25.

He wanted to carry on with your married life, he wanted

:17:26.:17:30.

I may have ruined three years, six years, of our life.

:17:31.:17:38.

Are you trying to turn round and say well, because of what one action,

:17:39.:17:50.

yes it was a long action, but because of one action,

:17:51.:17:53.

all of our married life has been a joke, for nothing?

:17:54.:17:56.

I don't know, I am just saying, I am just wondering.

:17:57.:17:58.

It is such a huge thing that you did, perhaps it does

:17:59.:18:01.

Well, perhaps it does, all I was interested in, when I came

:18:02.:18:06.

I'd wanted to carry on with our married life,

:18:07.:18:16.

All I really wanted was to sit in front of her when we were both

:18:17.:18:25.

out, even in a McDonald's or somewhere else,

:18:26.:18:29.

So, yes, I have ended up putting in divorce papers and yes the court

:18:30.:18:37.

has found that her behaviour, her behaviour, is unreasonable

:18:38.:18:41.

for not wanting to try to patch up the marriage or even

:18:42.:18:44.

Why had you made the decision that that was it then?

:18:45.:18:51.

I think probably, about half way through my prison sentence,

:18:52.:19:01.

I had really hit rock bottom and it wasn't until that point where I got

:19:02.:19:08.

so very badly depressed, and I began to recognise that I needed

:19:09.:19:11.

Once I'd accepted that help and treatment was given,

:19:12.:19:25.

then I was able, with the help of a psychologist, to actually look

:19:26.:19:30.

back over my life, not just those six years,

:19:31.:19:38.

but go right back to the beginning of my life and just examine

:19:39.:19:42.

where I had gone wrong, and it was only at that point that

:19:43.:19:47.

I realised that a lot of it had come about through my lack

:19:48.:19:50.

I thought, I need to do something about this.

:19:51.:20:01.

I wasn't happy at the way things had progressed

:20:02.:20:04.

There had been numerous times when I'd felt perhaps I wasn't

:20:05.:20:11.

I by no means had an equal partnership with John, and I think

:20:12.:20:17.

it was only because I had been removed from that situation that

:20:18.:20:20.

I had the opportunity to really fully explore my feelings,

:20:21.:20:28.

and from that point on, I began to think about leading

:20:29.:20:33.

The more time we spent apart, his voice began to fade

:20:34.:20:41.

in my head and I had room for my own thoughts and ideas.

:20:42.:20:47.

I decided that that was the best way forward.

:20:48.:20:49.

I did, as I have explained, go along with it unwillingly.

:20:50.:20:59.

I felt I was just following the pattern of our marriage.

:21:00.:21:03.

I'd got into the habit and that was just no way out of it.

:21:04.:21:08.

As for taking responsibility, yes I have to take responsibility

:21:09.:21:13.

for my own actions, I can't put 100% of the blame onto John either

:21:14.:21:17.

I can see that now, but at the time, when you are in that

:21:18.:21:26.

My life was unbearable and once you get onto that slippery slope,

:21:27.:21:30.

There will be people watching who will be able to relate not

:21:31.:21:43.

to the huge fraud that you and your husband carried out,

:21:44.:21:52.

but will relate to the way you describe feeling trapped

:21:53.:21:54.

in a marriage and not able to exit it.

:21:55.:22:02.

For all sorts of reasons, children, money, debt,

:22:03.:22:04.

This is one of the reasons for writing the book as well,

:22:05.:22:08.

to give some hope and encouragement to people who can identify with some

:22:09.:22:16.

Have the courage of your convictions.

:22:17.:22:18.

If you are not happy in a relationship, don't stay there.

:22:19.:22:21.

It is possible to lead an independent life and I am quite

:22:22.:22:26.

I am coming out of it and I have got an independent life.

:22:27.:22:36.

I am responsible for my own actions, I answer only to myself.

:22:37.:22:44.

I can take a full role in family life and I have got my job

:22:45.:22:47.

and I pay my own bills and if I can encourage someone else to do maybe

:22:48.:22:51.

take that step then I would love to do that.

:22:52.:22:58.

Indeed, another aspect that I feel I would like to happen is maybe

:22:59.:23:06.

if by some means I could go into women's prisons

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and speak to women prisoners, and I can give them some hope

:23:10.:23:18.

Do people recognise you in the street?

:23:19.:23:23.

People often say have we met before, I recognise your face,

:23:24.:23:31.

But no one has ever actually come up to me and said are you Anne Darwin?

:23:32.:23:41.

And usually I just pass it off by saying no, I am sorry,

:23:42.:23:45.

if we had met I think I would remember.

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Or I will say to them, have you been into the RSPCA

:23:49.:23:51.

recently, you might have seen me on the reception desk.

:23:52.:23:54.

I feel a more confident person and I do enjoy life.

:23:55.:24:14.

It would be nice to have someone to go home to at the end

:24:15.:24:19.

Anne's book, Out Of My Depth is out now.

:24:20.:24:27.

And, of course, we didn't pay Anne Darwin for her

:24:28.:24:29.

Just when it seemed British politics in 2016 could get through a month

:24:30.:24:34.

without a leadership crisis, Ukip's new leader, Diane James,

:24:35.:24:39.

has announced she's quitting after 18 days in the job.

:24:40.:24:42.

It means her time as leader lasted longer than Britney

:24:43.:24:51.

Spears' first marriage - 55 hours - but not as long

:24:52.:24:54.

as Sam Allardyce's reign as England manager -

:24:55.:24:55.

So how do you think former Ukip leader, Nigel Farage,

:24:56.:24:59.

who's already un-resigned once before, reacted to the news?

:25:00.:25:01.

Hello to you, Mr Farage. Welcome to our programme. You had dinner with

:25:02.:25:13.

Diane James the night before last, so what did she say to you about why

:25:14.:25:21.

she was going to resign? She obviously had personal problems. I

:25:22.:25:25.

think that being attacked on Waterloo Station and realising that

:25:26.:25:32.

her life would mean being surrounded by security and everything else... I

:25:33.:25:37.

think she recognised it is a 24-7 job, it isn't very much fun and

:25:38.:25:41.

better, I think, to recognise she'd made a mistake now than to do so in

:25:42.:25:48.

6-9 months' time. So I'm sorry for her. It's a very difficult thing to

:25:49.:25:53.

have done. As far as the parties concerned, it's not a great day, but

:25:54.:25:58.

it's not the end of the world. Can you shed a bit more light on those

:25:59.:26:04.

personal problems you referred to? I think you will find there is a

:26:05.:26:08.

problem with health in the family. As I say, I think to be attacked on

:26:09.:26:14.

the station the way that she was was a shock. And with that came a

:26:15.:26:20.

realisation that actually, when you take this job, your life finishes.

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This is what you are, 24-7, there is nothing else. I think she looked

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down the barrel of that and thought, this is not how I want to live my

:26:31.:26:35.

life. But she would have known, certainly from your own experience,

:26:36.:26:39.

it's tough being the leader of a political party and it comes with

:26:40.:26:43.

all sorts of added responsibilities and challenges that you don't have

:26:44.:26:49.

when you are not a leader? Nobody in life heaven knows what something is

:26:50.:26:53.

like until they are there and doing it. She has made this decision. It's

:26:54.:26:58.

been 18 days. It hasn't been very long, but I would rather she has

:26:59.:27:01.

made that decision now than perhaps made in the middle of next year. So

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what we will do is I will continue as the interim leader of Ukip. We

:27:07.:27:10.

will go through the electoral process again. After all, we are

:27:11.:27:15.

hardly unique to this. Labour have had two leadership elections in the

:27:16.:27:22.

space of a year. Many think this morning that Ukip without a leader

:27:23.:27:25.

is more electable than Labour with one. You are the interim leader

:27:26.:27:31.

until fresh elections? Yes, I keep trying to escape, I keep getting

:27:32.:27:35.

over the wall and running for the hills but before I'm finally free,

:27:36.:27:39.

they dragged me back! I will continue as the interim leader until

:27:40.:27:44.

we complete this process. There are rumours that your ruling governing

:27:45.:27:51.

body is going to put Neil Hamilton in as interim leader. They are going

:27:52.:27:56.

to install Mr Hamilton as interim leader? Really? We will have to see

:27:57.:28:02.

about that, won't we? I find that extremely unlikely. I do not see any

:28:03.:28:08.

prospect of that horror story coming to pass. Why would that be a horror

:28:09.:28:14.

story, he's the leader of Ukip in the Welsh Assembly? I'm afraid he

:28:15.:28:21.

is. Why would it be a horror story? Because I'm afraid he doesn't do

:28:22.:28:25.

what our public image a whole host of good. But there we go, that's

:28:26.:28:29.

life. We are at the Democratic party and he was chosen by the people to

:28:30.:28:33.

become a member of the Welsh Assembly for us. I don't think it's

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done is a lot of good, but that's life. I'm interested. You said you

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are interim leader. There is this suggestion the ruling governing body

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will put its own interim leader in. Who has the initiative here? I've

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spoken to the electoral commission this morning. I'm technical still

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leader of the party as Diane James's forms didn't get processed, so I

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will continue as interim leader. Irrespective of what your ruling

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governing body wants to do... You don't know that either. This is wild

:29:07.:29:13.

speculation, isn't it? Which is why I was putting it to you, to see what

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your take was. Steven Woolfe was one of the favourites last time. He was

:29:19.:29:22.

banned from taking part last time. Will he win it next time? Is he your

:29:23.:29:29.

favoured candidate? Last time I didn't publicly back any of the

:29:30.:29:32.

candidates, and it's not my intention at this stage to back any

:29:33.:29:36.

of them this time round. I don't know if Steven Woolfe. And not, I

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would be surprised, frankly, if he doesn't. There are people saying

:29:42.:29:46.

this is the demise of Ukip, really. You've gone, OK your back as an

:29:47.:29:50.

interim, as long as you mean that this time. You've successfully

:29:51.:29:55.

persuaded the government to give a referendum which you won. There is

:29:56.:30:00.

no need for Ukip any more? There are millions of people out there who

:30:01.:30:03.

voted Ukip and through doing so had seen a dramatic change in British

:30:04.:30:09.

politics. A lot of those people want to go on voting for Ukip. Labour has

:30:10.:30:13.

now put itself in a position where it is so far away from those voters,

:30:14.:30:17.

particular in the Midlands, the North and Wales, who voted for

:30:18.:30:21.

Brexit, that I think actually Ukip can harvest a lot more votes from

:30:22.:30:25.

them. Theresa May's government, it all sounds terrific, doesn't it? But

:30:26.:30:30.

will she actually deliver? And if Brexit doesn't mean Brexit and we

:30:31.:30:34.

don't get our passports back and we don't get our fishing waters back,

:30:35.:30:38.

come the next general election Ukip will be bigger than it's been

:30:39.:30:43.

before. Thank you for talking to us. Thank you. Nigel Farage who is the

:30:44.:30:47.

interim leader of Ukip and they have fresh elections.

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We can speak now to two other potential leadership contenders.

:30:56.:30:59.

Good morning to you. Good morning. First of all your reaction to the

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fact that Diane James stepped down one because somebody would appear to

:31:09.:31:12.

not be very well in her family and two because of somebody spitting at

:31:13.:31:16.

her not that long ago when she had become leader? Well, it is a huge

:31:17.:31:19.

disappointment for the party. Not only did we have the shock of Nigel

:31:20.:31:24.

resigning on the Monday morning, now we have this other shock of Diane

:31:25.:31:30.

resigning as well. I mean, it put our party back I would say several

:31:31.:31:35.

months now so I can't see we will be up and running with regard to fresh

:31:36.:31:39.

policies and with regard to a vigorous approach to planning the

:31:40.:31:42.

2017 local elections until the end of this year or the beginning of

:31:43.:31:46.

next year so it is a huge disappointment to us. Peter, Diane

:31:47.:31:52.

James didn't take part in any hustings, didn't, there weren't many

:31:53.:31:57.

interviews when she put her candidacy forward, I wonder if she

:31:58.:32:03.

had gone through that process and the questioning from the likes of

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terrible journalist that she would have realised it wasn't a job she

:32:07.:32:10.

didn't want? Diane took the decision not to do the debates and hustings,

:32:11.:32:14.

it didn't do her any harm when it came to the actual leadership

:32:15.:32:17.

election. Think the point is this really - things are very

:32:18.:32:22.

hypothetical when you want to maybe become leader, it is still

:32:23.:32:26.

hypothetical even if you are on the frontline of politics, but when you

:32:27.:32:31.

take over as Nigel said, it becomes a different story altogether. Not

:32:32.:32:36.

long ago xhoum was going to stand to be leader of the Labour Party, this

:32:37.:32:41.

wasn't long ago and then he withdrew after two or three days because the

:32:42.:32:45.

level of pressure on his family and all the rest of it was just too

:32:46.:32:50.

much. And what happens therefore, is that people have different

:32:51.:32:52.

thresholds of what they can take and I think that really in a way, credit

:32:53.:32:57.

where credit is due, Diane went sooner rather than later and I think

:32:58.:33:01.

that you know, the fact is I don't think really that the party has been

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put back because this will be forgotten about by next year, we

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will have a new leader and we are 16% in the polls, we are setting the

:33:12.:33:16.

whole political agenda at the Tory Party conference at the moment, we

:33:17.:33:20.

have an absolute point. We have a bigger point than ever in fact. When

:33:21.:33:27.

does your ruling governing body meet next to discuss this turmoil? We

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will behaving a meeting on 17th October when we will be discussing

:33:32.:33:34.

the issue of interim leader. I only heard today coming into the studio

:33:35.:33:38.

that Nigel Farage is now positioned as the interim leader and has had

:33:39.:33:44.

information from the Electoral Commission about that. Clearly, we

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will be discussing that at length. When I say the party has been put

:33:50.:33:53.

back, it has really, because we were hoping to be up and running, to be

:33:54.:34:00.

organising for the local elections and this resignation stalled that

:34:01.:34:02.

process. You will throw your hat into the ring? I may well do. Are

:34:03.:34:08.

you prepared for what Diane James hasn't been prepared for? God, yes,

:34:09.:34:11.

I have been through a lot of this before. I have contested 11

:34:12.:34:15.

elections for Ukip. Sure. Nigel Farage says unless you're doing it,

:34:16.:34:20.

it is only then when you realise? It is a 24/7 responsibility, but if

:34:21.:34:24.

you're from a professional background then I'm sure, well, I

:34:25.:34:29.

wouldn't say it is easy, but it is a predictable state of stresses that

:34:30.:34:32.

you will be experiencing. And you're going to throw your hat into the

:34:33.:34:35.

ring, are you? I'm thinking about it. But this is not the point really

:34:36.:34:39.

at the moment. What we've got to do is look at the extraordinary talent

:34:40.:34:44.

that we have in the frontbench if you like of our party. Have a proper

:34:45.:34:48.

discussion over the next few weeks, do all the hustings and then emerge

:34:49.:34:51.

with someone that we know and that we have questioned. That's really

:34:52.:34:56.

what we should do. But I must emphasise again that, we are not

:34:57.:35:01.

going anywhere soon. Ukip is here to stay absolutely. And all parties

:35:02.:35:05.

have setbacks, I don't accept that this is really a setback. It is

:35:06.:35:09.

better to get it out of the way now than having it had spun on for god

:35:10.:35:13.

knows how long. OK. Thank you very much.

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Thank you. A couple of comments, Tina says, "As a Ukip member, I'm

:35:19.:35:22.

saddened, but BBC please don't blow it out of proportion. There were

:35:23.:35:28.

other reasons for Diane James' resignation, including being shaken

:35:29.:35:33.

by an attack on Waterloo station and her husband's health." Eric tweets,

:35:34.:35:41.

"There is no getting rid of Nigel" Dara says if Nigel Farage wants to

:35:42.:35:46.

escape from the leadership, he could borrow John Darwin's canoe."

:35:47.:35:51.

As the London Film Festival kicks off celebrating

:35:52.:35:54.

black talent in cinema, we'll ask its director

:35:55.:35:56.

Also coming up, Tyson Fury admits having taken "lots of cocaine"

:35:57.:36:02.

We'll talk to his former trainer about whether the heavyweight

:36:03.:36:06.

champion can get his career back on track.

:36:07.:36:10.

But more importantly his health actually.

:36:11.:36:16.

Are flexible working arrangements only for the well off?

:36:17.:36:19.

New research shows that if you're a low earner you're far less likely

:36:20.:36:22.

to be given flexible working arrangements, which can include

:36:23.:36:24.

things like working from home or working part time.

:36:25.:36:28.

Parents who earn more than ?70,000 a year are nearly

:36:29.:36:32.

50% more likely to work flexibly than those earning

:36:33.:36:34.

We can speak now to Gaenor Bagley who is a mum of three and senior

:36:35.:36:41.

partner at a city firm who has flexible working arrangements.

:36:42.:36:45.

Bill Stringer, whose small investment company has seen

:36:46.:36:50.

the benefit of flexible workers, and Juliet Turnbull who owns

:36:51.:36:53.

a recruitment company targeted specifically at mums wanting

:36:54.:36:55.

And in our Salford studio is Kellie Siommons who

:36:56.:37:02.

quit her teaching job because she was refused flexible

:37:03.:37:05.

Hello all of you. Kellie, you were a deputy head and you asked for

:37:06.:37:12.

flexible working after your second child. What hours did you want to

:37:13.:37:18.

work? I wanted to work between 9.30am and 2.20pm so I could take my

:37:19.:37:23.

children to cycle and pick them up myself rather than relying on

:37:24.:37:26.

breakfast and after school clubs and I do the rest of my workload from

:37:27.:37:31.

home because my job wasn't a face-to-face role the majority of

:37:32.:37:34.

the time. So when they turned that down, what was your response? My

:37:35.:37:38.

response was initially I went back to work on the arrangement that they

:37:39.:37:42.

did put in place for me. It was always a temporary arrangement and

:37:43.:37:44.

when we had the discussion about how we move forward after the temporary

:37:45.:37:48.

arrangement ended, I decided then this it wasn't for me. I to make a

:37:49.:37:53.

choice between seeing my children grow up or having that career. So I

:37:54.:37:58.

chose to walk away from my job so I could see my children grow up. OK,

:37:59.:38:01.

do you think they did anything wrong or actually when you are a deputy

:38:02.:38:04.

head you have to be there during school hours? I think that yes, in

:38:05.:38:09.

one respect, but there were people under me who could do the majority

:38:10.:38:13.

of the day-to-day management of that situation. So I think that, yeah,

:38:14.:38:18.

from a business prospective I do believe they had to think about what

:38:19.:38:23.

works best for the business, but from an individual prospective, I do

:38:24.:38:26.

think I could have done that role in the proposal I put forward. Fair

:38:27.:38:32.

enough. So you are a partner, a former Executive Board member at a

:38:33.:38:36.

big multinational firm. It is well paid of the it is high pressured, it

:38:37.:38:39.

is a lot of responsibility. How is it possible to do that in four days

:38:40.:38:43.

a week? I think you have to be organised and very clear about your

:38:44.:38:48.

boundaries. In a being more senior means you have more control about

:38:49.:38:52.

the shape of your job and you have a team underneath you, but you have

:38:53.:38:55.

responsibilities about that to be a clear role model and make it work,

:38:56.:38:59.

but for me, it is about really setting boundaries and being

:39:00.:39:02.

flexible both ways. I need to do this. But I will be flexible and

:39:03.:39:05.

come in and do other things. Do you think there is truth to this

:39:06.:39:09.

research today which suggests if you are in higher paid work, you have

:39:10.:39:12.

more control, you are more likely to get flexible working if you request

:39:13.:39:16.

it? Well, there seems to be evidence that's the case. Two reasons,

:39:17.:39:21.

probably you are more senior and the firm has invested in, there is more

:39:22.:39:25.

trust, but if you think that true, why do you only trust people that

:39:26.:39:31.

you have known for ten years. We have got to re-think how we approach

:39:32.:39:36.

the world of work. So many people need to work flexibly and we can't

:39:37.:39:41.

count them out of the workforce. Do you think there is a pool of mums

:39:42.:39:46.

who want to work, but raise their children at the same time? Yes, it

:39:47.:39:51.

is huge. Is it? I have got them on my website and they are registering

:39:52.:39:56.

24 hours a day. All across the country and even abroad. And you're

:39:57.:40:00.

trying to match them up with employers who are happy to offer

:40:01.:40:05.

flexible working? Our mission is really, really simple. We are there

:40:06.:40:08.

to match and connect employers from large organisations through to small

:40:09.:40:12.

businesses across the UK, who get the value of employing this mother

:40:13.:40:16.

on a part-time flexible basis. Bill, you are a boss who gets that?

:40:17.:40:22.

Absolutely. You just employed two mums through Juliette's company.

:40:23.:40:26.

What sort of jobs and what salaries? We have hired a group marketing

:40:27.:40:31.

manager, Suzy, we didn't need a full-timer, we run a portfolio of

:40:32.:40:37.

small businesses. And we, in a small business, you have to have the best

:40:38.:40:41.

talent and it is hard to find and what I recognised through Juliette's

:40:42.:40:46.

website is there is a huge pool of what TA Talent out there that can't

:40:47.:40:50.

seem to access the workplace and great for us because we have been

:40:51.:40:54.

able to and there is Karen my assistant, again, she is able to

:40:55.:40:58.

work flexibly and I can be very flexible too. By that, you mean the

:40:59.:41:02.

hours she works or the fact that sometimes she is at home to do work

:41:03.:41:06.

or what does that mean? Both Suzy and Karen work from home, but we

:41:07.:41:12.

communicate daily and we meet weekly. So communication is very

:41:13.:41:19.

important. Let's have a look at your own company. What is it about or

:41:20.:41:24.

your working life actually, sometimes bosses are just not happy

:41:25.:41:29.

with people working from home. They can't let go slash trust that

:41:30.:41:33.

employee. I think it is dealing with change, isn't it? You're challenging

:41:34.:41:39.

the status quo. Somebody like me is saying, "I'm going to work in a

:41:40.:41:43.

different way from you." You have to get over that puzzlement, confusion,

:41:44.:41:47.

I don't understand how this is going to work. I always say to people, in

:41:48.:41:52.

order for our people to trust us, we have to trust them. Work is

:41:53.:41:57.

something you do, it is in the a place you go to. Juliette then, this

:41:58.:42:07.

hidden untapped pool of mums are probably watching our programme

:42:08.:42:10.

right now. If they want to go back to work, how do they get in touch

:42:11.:42:17.

with you? It is www. Www.e 2 to 3 days.com and they complete their

:42:18.:42:19.

profile which they can do in a matter of minutes and then there are

:42:20.:42:24.

jobs on our site. We're growing by the day from large corporations

:42:25.:42:26.

through to microbusinesses who get the value. Bill, what would you say

:42:27.:42:30.

to bosses who might be looking at you thinking you're being taken for

:42:31.:42:35.

a ride here, mate? I've Karen and Suzy have been with the business for

:42:36.:42:40.

sometime now. And the results are fantastic and the next time we have

:42:41.:42:46.

an opportunity, I'm straight on to Juliette.

:42:47.:42:48.

Thank you very much all of you, thank you. Thanks, Kellie.

:42:49.:42:56.

The film industry has come under fire recently

:42:57.:42:58.

The Oscars have been fiercely criticised over the past two years

:42:59.:43:02.

for a lack of black nominees, with some actors and directors

:43:03.:43:05.

Idris Elba sums up the situation well when he says,

:43:06.:43:09.

"Talent is everywhere. Opportunity isn't".

:43:10.:43:16.

Star Wars Rogue One actor Riz Ahmed says, "the industry is too reluctant

:43:17.:43:19.

Another young upcoming actress told the BBC earlier this year she's

:43:20.:43:22.

tired of being cast always as a slave.

:43:23.:43:29.

Daniel Radcliffe, who now also has a vote

:43:30.:43:42.

in the awarding of some Oscars, told me a few weeks ago he thought

:43:43.:43:45.

Yeah, I think it's pretty undeniable.

:43:46.:43:48.

I mean, that's the thing, we like to think of ourselves

:43:49.:43:50.

as being, you know, a very, very progressive industry.

:43:51.:43:52.

But we sort of have been lagging behind in all

:43:53.:43:55.

kinds of areas that have been very well-documented.

:43:56.:43:57.

I think there is lots of things about the Oscars,

:43:58.:43:59.

there's lots of amazing performances every year that don't get recognised

:44:00.:44:02.

and it can be for things like they were released

:44:03.:44:04.

I don't know a huge amount about it but I understand there is a

:44:05.:44:09.

real campaign structure that you have to go

:44:10.:44:11.

through if you are going to get one of those things.

:44:12.:44:13.

I feel like there is a lot of kind of unseen about

:44:14.:44:16.

Do you feel that by being able to vote you can make a difference?

:44:17.:44:21.

Yeah, I can make a tiny difference. Absolutely, yeah.

:44:22.:44:23.

I do think now that these conversations have come up it's

:44:24.:44:29.

going to, you know, things are going to start changing.

:44:30.:44:31.

I'm starting to see it in scripts I read, actually

:44:32.:44:35.

particularly for female characters because you are just seeing people

:44:36.:44:37.

actually trying to make more of an effort.

:44:38.:44:46.

But this year's London Film Festival, which starts today,

:44:47.:44:48.

Organisers say this year's theme is called Black Star.

:44:49.:44:58.

Our entertainment reporter Chi Chi Izundu is here.

:44:59.:45:04.

Black star is going to be celebrating black stars celebrating

:45:05.:45:09.

films throughout history and recent ones. The talent that we have in

:45:10.:45:13.

this country and in the States. How much of the problem is that,

:45:14.:45:22.

this lack of diversity? Report came out last month saying diversity

:45:23.:45:26.

across-the-board weather about your colour, gender or sexual bias, is

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still a massive problem. 17 out of the 100 top grossing films didn't

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feature a black actor at all that is a problem, out of the nearly 4500

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speaking parts, only less than 32% went to a woman in a Hollywood film.

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Another one is Tim Burton's his latest film has come under fire

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because it didn't have any diversity except Samuel L. Jackson. But then

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it turned out he was the first leading black actor to appear in a

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Tim Burton film and he's made 36. Wow. Thank you. We can speak to

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Claire Stewart now. Celebration of black talent, why has it taken so

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long? I think for us it coincides very much with a recognition that

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this has not been sufficiently champion. From the BFI perspective

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it's about taking very active strategies, in terms of getting

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behind film-making talent and creating, through the diversity

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standards the BFI are setting up, a platform for funding films on the

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basis of diversity. How would that work, in terms of the funding and

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getting access to that cash? My colleague, this is his field, it's

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about putting a set of requirements in place behind the camera, because

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one of the things that we do recognise it when there is more

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diversity behind the camera, that does translate into more diverse

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stories on screen. At the BFI London film Festival this year, we have a

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really substantive programme, 249 films, but there are some real

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highlights, in terms of black stories and black performances. Some

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examples? Our opening night film is the United Kingdom, a new film by

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the first black film-maker to open the London film Festival, which in

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itself points to a historical issue. She's done an impassioned, elegant

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drama about the true story of the King of what is now Botswana, and

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his marriage to way white London office worker, place by Rosamund

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Pike. The film is by David yellow, who is an advocate for black

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representation and women actors. He stars in another film we have on the

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programme. A very inspirational story that comes out of Uganda. Ruth

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Ahmed, starts of many things said in an interview recently that the

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British problem when it comes to a lack of diversity is much worse than

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the United States. What you think of that? I think that is probably

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correct. The BFI is undertaking a large research project to bring more

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statistical information to the surface around this. She is starring

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in two films in the festival. City of tiny lights, which is a film that

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is interesting in itself in its depiction of London. Its north-west

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London on show with all of its diversity. There's only one or two

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white characters. It felt like a very unfamiliar representation of

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the UK, in terms of film. I think there's a lot of consciousness

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burgeoning right now. The important thing, as David, who will be

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headlining our symposium on this tomorrow, David has spoken not only

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about the need for discussion and debate, but the need for action.

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During the festival we will be running a series of workshops and

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masterclasses for emerging British film-makers from black, Asian,

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minority ethnic backgrounds. So they have the opportunity to have that

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exposure to the international film-makers who are in town for the

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festival. Good luck, thank you very much. Clare Stewart, the director of

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the London film Festival. The boxer now claims he's taken

:49:56.:49:59.

"lots of cocaine" over the past six months and doesn't know

:50:00.:50:07.

if he'll see the year out. Adding, "I hope someone

:50:08.:50:12.

kills me before I kill myself." He hasn't fought since

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November when he beat Ukraine's Wladimir Klitschko win

:50:17.:50:18.

the WBA, IBF, WBO and IBO titles. Fury's admission follows weeks

:50:19.:50:24.

of speculation over his well-being. On Saturday he tweeted this image

:50:25.:50:29.

showing his face photo-shopped He's surrounded by white powder

:50:30.:50:35.

and the hashtag, Tyson Montana. Then on Monday he tweeted

:50:36.:50:43.

an expletive laden statement where he appeared to

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announce his retirement, saying that boxing was the saddest

:50:46.:50:48.

thing he had ever taken part in. A few hours later he retracted that.

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He said: Joining me now on the phone

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in Steve Egan, who trained Tyson Fury from the age of 14 up

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until he turned pro. And David Anderson, who is the

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boxing correspondent at the Mirror. Hello to both of you. Let me ask you

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Steve, first of all, what you're thinking when you are seeing what

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looks like an unravelling of a man you knew so well? Very sad, really.

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He's obviously got problems going on. Not getting? Sorry? Not getting

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the full accolade at he should have got when he beat Klitschko. Meaning

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what? Nobody else got behind him properly, if anyone out beat

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Klitschko they'd go mad about it. David, what do you think? I know

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that is an argument use. I covered that fight and our article the next

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day was full of praise for the British voter abroad. I think the

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problem was was what Tyson subsequently said and even before

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that, those comments about gays, women, Jews. A lot of people didn't

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really like that sort of comment. He had an opportunity, after Klitschko,

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to become a big household name but unfortunately he went the other way.

:52:38.:52:40.

When you say going the other way. What he's saying in this interview

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is eyeing a manic depressive. He's talked about being in hospital at

:52:44.:52:48.

the moment. He says he's seeing psychiatrists. He doesn't want to

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live, all the money in the world, the fame, the glory means nothing if

:52:53.:52:55.

you aren't happy. These are issues that presumably go back sometime?

:52:56.:53:00.

They do indeed. I remember talking to Tyson in 2011 when he beat Dereck

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Chisora to the British heavyweight title. He was stalking vents about

:53:07.:53:12.

his battles with bulimia. How he would go to a petrol station at the

:53:13.:53:16.

end of night, by a bag of chocolate, eat them in the car until he felt

:53:17.:53:20.

sick and then eat more. He felt worthless and had low self-esteem.

:53:21.:53:25.

He would talk about sitting in his car, revving it up and wanting to

:53:26.:53:32.

drive into a wall. He's had these problems, and fortunate, for a few

:53:33.:53:36.

years. He had been on top of them. He did brilliantly when he beat

:53:37.:53:40.

Klitschko, a fantastic achievement, but unfortunately his Demons are

:53:41.:53:44.

back and in need help in tackling them. Steve, when you were training

:53:45.:53:49.

him between the ages of 14 and 20, you must have been aware of some of

:53:50.:53:54.

those issues, were you? He had the odd time when he felt a bit low.

:53:55.:53:59.

Your job as a coach and a friend is to give him a lift, pick him up and

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convince him he is the best and he can be a world champion. That is

:54:04.:54:07.

your job as a coach and friend. Do you think he realised how serious it

:54:08.:54:12.

was? No, no, no. Everyone has ups and downs in life. Some tender with

:54:13.:54:17.

and some can't. At the moment it seems like Tyson is struggling a

:54:18.:54:21.

bit. David, one of the quotes makes it clear that he sees himself as a

:54:22.:54:26.

victim. He says ever since he got a bit of fame for doing good there's

:54:27.:54:30.

been a witch on him because of his background? Well that the. Listen,

:54:31.:54:36.

let's be honest, there is unfortunately in this country some

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bad sentiment. But we have Billy Joe Saunders from the travelling

:54:43.:54:47.

community, he is also a world champion, before that there was Andi

:54:48.:54:51.

Lila who fought for Limerick. He was a traveller as well. These guys were

:54:52.:54:57.

respected and liked by people. I think what our unfortunate are these

:54:58.:55:03.

comments Tyson keeps coming out with against different groups in society.

:55:04.:55:08.

What you think of that, Steve? That he feels it is an anti-traveller

:55:09.:55:12.

sentiment and people have been on his back since he initially beat

:55:13.:55:15.

Klitschko? I think quite a few people in the country don't like

:55:16.:55:19.

travellers. I don't know why. We have a lot of them in our gym and we

:55:20.:55:26.

would have. We bring them through. And yes, the public have to realise

:55:27.:55:31.

how good he is and what great lad he is. Nobody sees what a good kid he

:55:32.:55:36.

is. He's a nice lad. He came down to our gym three weeks ago I did a full

:55:37.:55:41.

session with the kids. He's not superfit because he's not in the

:55:42.:55:46.

best shape, but he stayed all night, signing autographs, having pictures

:55:47.:55:49.

taken with all the kids. He's a good lad. We went for a chat afterwards

:55:50.:55:54.

and he said he's not feeling it. David, do you think we will ever see

:55:55.:56:00.

Tyson Fury box again? I think it is possible. Obviously it's a long way

:56:01.:56:03.

off at the moment because of his mental health issues. There is an

:56:04.:56:10.

anti-doping hearing about his positive test which he vehemently

:56:11.:56:13.

denies. There could be a band. I think he will lose his WBA, WBO

:56:14.:56:20.

titles because he has been inactive so long. But he would go to this

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champion and recess title when he could challenge for them again if he

:56:26.:56:28.

could get his head straight and come back, if he were banned. I think it

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will be 12 or 18 months, but he's 28, he is talented enough. He is

:56:38.:56:42.

undefeated, the current heavyweight in the world, he has that status. If

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he can get his head straight and deal with the other problems outside

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of the ring, there is a possibility he could fight at sometime in the

:56:52.:56:55.

future. Thank you David, David Anderson, the Mirror's boxing

:56:56.:57:00.

correspondent and Steve, who was Tyson Fury's coach from the age of

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14 to 20, when he turned pro. This morning we brought you an

:57:04.:57:12.

in-depth interview with an darling who helped fake his husband 's

:57:13.:57:17.

death. She said she will feel guilt forever for lying to her two sons

:57:18.:57:21.

and talked about her experience in prison. A few months after the trial

:57:22.:57:30.

I got a letter, initially from Mark. Just a brief letter.

:57:31.:57:36.

Clare got in touch with us this bunny, not her real name, she worked

:57:37.:57:40.

with Aaron morning. Hello. What are your feelings towards her

:57:41.:57:52.

now? She is a good actress. She did this every day at work. She was

:57:53.:57:58.

forever crying, for ever making us feel really, really bad around her.

:57:59.:58:02.

We used to do everything to try and help, make a coffee or tea, bring

:58:03.:58:07.

her bow case of flowers, anything to cheer her up. And we all believed

:58:08.:58:13.

it. We believed everything she said. Thank you very much, Claire. She

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referenced that in the interview and said it the emotions were the guilt

:58:19.:58:21.

she was feeling for conning everybody. You can watch the

:58:22.:58:26.

interview again on the programme page on our website. Thank you for

:58:27.:58:28.

watching today, we are back tomorrow.

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