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Hello, it's Monday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling,

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Our top story today, the American election gets nasty.

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With just days to go till the nation decides between Hillary Clinton

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and Donald Trump, leading democrats say the head of the FBI may

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have broken the law, by announcing a new inquiry into

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The FBI is reopening the investigation into the criminal and

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illegal conduct of Hillary Clinton. Voters deserve to get full and

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complete facts. And so we called an director James Comey to explain

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everything right away, put it all out on the table.

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Also on the programme, are drug fix rooms, where addicts

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can inject heroin safely, a good idea?

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Glasgow's likely to give the go, ahead to one later today.

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These services are compassionate, they are evidence -based, they are

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low threshold and give people back some dignity and respect.

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We'll hear from heroin addicts and drug campaigners,

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and we're really keen to hear your views.

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Plus, do schools fail adopted children?

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If you've adopted a child we're really keen to hear your experience

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Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11:00am.

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Throughout the morning we'll bring you the latest breaking news

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and developing stories and, as always, really keen

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A little later we'll talk to the Labour MP who's

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campaigning against the cost of children's funerals.

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Carolyn Harris had to borrow money and take out a loan to pay for her 8

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year old sons funeral after he was killed

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She's talking for the first time about her experience.

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Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning,

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use the hashtag #VictoriaLive and if you text, you will be charged

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The FBI is being asked to explain its decision to examine

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new evidence in relation to Hillary Clinton's

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use of a private email server when she was the US

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The leader of the Democratic Party in the US Senate, has said the head

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of the FBI may have broken the law by releasing details

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of a new investigation linked to a staffer Mrs Clinton.

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With the polls tightening, the Clinton campaign is mounting

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a fierce fightback against the FBI's decision to reveal it was looking

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at a fresh batch of emails related to the investigation

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into Hillary Clinton's private server.

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Her officials are pointing to the fact that the Department

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of Justice warned the FBI against disclosing that they were

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looking at a potentially new trove of emails.

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Hillary Clinton believes it is both strange and troubling to talk

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about the new inquiry so close to polling day.

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There's a lot of noise and distraction but it really comes

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down to what kind of future we want and who as our president

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The Democrats are pointing out that no one knows whether this latest

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batch contains new emails or classified information.

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The FBI director James Comey has repeatedly been attacked

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by the Republicans for closing the Clinton case in July,

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despite describing her handling of secret information as reckless.

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The Clinton campaign is demanding that the FBI

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explain its decision to reveal that it was reopening

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Why would you break these two protocols?

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Why would you release information that is so incomplete

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when you haven't even seen the material yourself?

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11 days before an election, why would you talk about

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Ladies and gentlemen, the next and first female President

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of the United States, Hillary Clinton!

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Hillary Clinton, like her opponent, is investing large swathes

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With an eye to appealing to the Hispanic community,

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she shared a stage with Jennifer Lopez in Miami.

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But there are early indications that this

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new investigation is chipping away at Hillary Clinton's

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The Clinton campaign's complaint is that the FBI statement was long

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on innuendo and short on facts and it's opened the doors

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for Donald Trump to accuse her of criminal and illegal activity.

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These are anxious days for Hillary Clinton.

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Just days ago, her team believed victory was almost in its grasp.

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Gavin Hewitt, BBC News, Florida.

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We can get more now from our correspondent, Daniella Relph,

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how could the FBI have broken the law?

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This claim about breaking the law has come from one of the most senior

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Democrat politicians in the US, Harry Reid. He is a political

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veteran, he is 77, he seen it all. He is head of the Democrats in the

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Senate and comes at this as a Hillary Clinton supporter. He's

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written to the head of the FBI James Comey and said he believes he's had

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double standards and is trying to favour one political party over the

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other. He said he believes the head of the FBI has violated a law which

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bans officials from getting involved in the vote and outcome of an

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election. In his letter Harry Reid has written to James Comey and said

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"Through your partisan actions you have broken the law". You have this

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situation eight days before an election, one of the most senior

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Democrats in the country accusing the FBI of trying to influence the

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election. In the backdrop you have this Hillary Clinton e-mail scandal.

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There are now these two key figures involved in this and they are former

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congressmen Anthony Wiener and his wife who is very much Hillary

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Clinton's right-hand woman. They are at the centre of this, a political

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power coupled with great careers ahead of them. Anthony Wiener has

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had some sex scandals. His marriage, his political career is over but it

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is his laptop at the centre of this latest e-mail allegations. That is

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at the centre of the investigation. There could be more than 600,000

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e-mails to go through so this isn't going to be resolved by next

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Tuesday. Thank you. Plenty more reaction on this to come

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throughout the programme. Annita is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary A group of MPs says the Government's

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claim that it's putting an extra 10 billion pounds into the NHS over

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the next 5 years is incorrect. The Treasury insists

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it is investing that amount, but the Conservative Chair

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of the Commons Health Select Committee Dr Sarah Wollaston warns

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more money is needed to avoid Earlier this month at

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the Conservative Party conference, Theresa May proudly spoke

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about the extra ?10 billion she said her party was putting into the NHS

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over the next five years. But now a member of her own party

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and the influential chair of the Health Select Committee,

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Doctor Sarah Wollaston, In a strongly worded letter,

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she says the figure of ?10 She accuses the government of giving

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the false impression that the NHS And she says cuts from local

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government budgets for public health and social care are having a severe

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impact on the health service through increased

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emergency attendances By changing pots of money from one

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part of the health budget to another, for example taking money

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out of public health and health education,

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it can give an impression more is given when in fact the real

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figure is very considerably lower, and in the run, up to the spending

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review, as I have said, the point is we need to be very

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clear that the NHS and social care are in a serious financial

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crisis at the moment. Responding, the Treasury said

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the government had backed the NHS's plan for the future

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with a ?10 billion real terms increase in funding,

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and that it was wrong It also said local governments had

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access to the funding they needed While there is a disagreement

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about how much money is being put into the NHS,

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the pressures on it and the cost The Home Secretary Amber Rudd

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is expected to announce today whether she'll commission an inquiry

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into the clash between police and miners at Orgreave

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in South Yorkshire. It was the most violent

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confrontation of the More than 120 officers

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and miners were injured, Campaigners claim police

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used excessive force Thousands of people in Italy have

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spent the night sleeping in cars and tents after the country's

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biggest earthquake in 40 years. The 6.6-magnitude quake struck close

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to the region where nearly 300 people were killed by

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another quake in August. This time no one appears

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to have died, but around 20 Tremors were felt in the capital

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Rome, where the Metro system was shut down,

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and as far away as Venice Our correspondent Jenny Hill is in

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Norcia and sent us this update. There is widespread relief that no

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one was killed in yesterday's earthquake but villages and towns

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have been all but destroyed You can see this building behind me,

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clearly it was somebody's home. We're able to stare straight

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into the dining room. Rather remarkably, actually I don't

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know if you can see, framed pictures on the walls

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which haven't moved at all during what's been the strongest

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earthquake in decades to hit this This morning people

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are waking up in tents. No one is allowed inside the ancient

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town walls here because the firefighters we've been

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to speaking to this morning say it's In fact, the authorities are urging

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people who live in Norcia and the towns and villages around it

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to leave the area, to take emergency accommodation miles away

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on the Adriatic coast and that's because experts predict

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there will be more earthquakes We've actually felt some ourselves

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this morning and the ground ready shakes, and we can hear bits

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of masonry falling off the buildings Very dangerous of course

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for the emergency services who were told are still inside the city

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was going to the buildings trying to make sure that no one is trapped

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inside still but as I say, the authorities tell us,

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as far as they are aware, no one was killed although there are many,

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many question marks for people in towns like this

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about what happens now. It may be sometime before they can

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return to them if they ever want to. A lot of fear here this morning,

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of course, lots of questions for the Italian government to answer

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too about how to make sure that future earthquakes don't

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devastate towns and villages Changes to the way disabled people

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are assessed for out of work benefits have been outlined

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by the government. The measures, set out

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in a consultation document, include a review of statutory sick

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pay and GP "fit notes" to encourage people who receive Employment

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and Support Allowance to make Disability charities have warned

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that some people may not be able to work, no matter how much

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support they receive. A plan to set up so-called "fix

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rooms" to allow drug addicts to inject safely under supervision

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is likely to get the go, Members of the health board,

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the local authority and police are expected to agree

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to the idea in principle. These clinics have been

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running successfully across Europe for decades,

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but this will be the first time That's a summary of the latest BBC

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News. That's a summary of the latest BBC

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News, more at 9:30am. What do you think about these six

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rooms? Gemma on Facebook says "Addicts need to be loved and cared

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for and treated with the same respect that we treat everyone

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with". Anthony says "As long as there is support for the addicts

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then I guess it's a good idea." Adrian says "It's working in other

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countries and must be a positive step.

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Do get in touch with us throughout the morning,

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use the hashtag #VictoriaLive and if you text, you will be charged

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Let's get some sport with Olly Foster.

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Olly, another win for Lewis Hamilton but he's left it

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He was a bit downbeat after his win in the Mexican Grand Prix yesterday.

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Still 19 points behind his Mercedes team-mate Nico Rosberg who was

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second in Mexico City. That means he only needs to finish second or third

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in the next two races, there's only two races left of the season.

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Hamilton started on pole position pretty untroubled but Rosberg could

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win it in a fortnight in Brazil, then there is Abu Dhabi after that.

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Hamilton has sort of conceded the title but he'll give it ago, he says

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say never. It's all looking very tight

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at the top of the Premier League? It's difficult to call at this early

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stage. There's only one point separating the top four teams.

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Manchester City, Arsenal, Liverpool. Chelsea, difficult to believe how

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awful they were last season, they were champions two seasons ago and

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it seems they have discovered that championship winning form. They beat

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Southampton 2-0 and have got 22 points, double the amount at the

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same stage last season. Even -- Eden Hazard scored a great goal and they

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are up to fourth and in the title mix as well. Everton were winners as

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well yesterday beating West Ham. Andy Murray could be world number

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one a week from now? He has had an incredible season.

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Seven titles to his name. He's won three in a row and beat Jo-Wilfried

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Tsonga in straight sets yesterday after winning in Shanghai and

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Beijing. The way this ranking system works is it's on a rolling 12 month

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period. Novak Djokovic is dropping points

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which means if Andy Murray wins in Paris, the masters event next week

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which has a lot of ranking points going there, and Novak Djokovic does

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not reach the final, he was beaten in the final last year, when

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everything is recalibrated on Sunday evening, Andy Murray would become

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number one before they go into the world tour finals in London. An

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incredible year could be capped if he becomes world number one. Let's

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hope for that. Cycling. So Bradley Wiggins. What has he been up to? He

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has been racing in London alongside his team-mate Mark Cavendish. They

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were runners-up for the Belgian pair and he said he will retire after the

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six-day event which starts on November 15. He really has enjoyed

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himself at the old Olympic stadium in London over the last six days. He

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joked with the crowd he might carry on because his loving it so much

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that he is 36 now and he is very, very unlikely to do so. We will see

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how he gets on in a fortnight with Mark Cavendish racing together again

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against... Where Bradley begins was born, where it all started. Coming

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full circle. Thank you. Officials in Glasgow are today

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expected to give their initial backing to a controversial plan

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to set up so, called "fix rooms" or "shooting galleries" where drug

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addicts could inject heroin There are plans to open the UK's

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first fix room in Glasgow. It's a place where users can take

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dangerous drugs like heroin under It's estimated there are around 5000

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heroin users in Glasgow. Of those, up to 500 inject

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themselves in public places. Fix rooms are also called safe

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injecting centres and their main aim is to reduce the risk of death,

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overdose and transmitting disease. They are also places where high risk

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drug users can connect The addicts bring their own supplies

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of the drugs but nurses and social workers are on stand,

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by if something goes wrong. workers are on standby if something

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goes wrong. The police in these areas have taken

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the decision not to These so-called clinics have been

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running across Europe for decades. Copenhagen in Denmark is home

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to a large drugs scene and there ne of these fixing rooms

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was set up in 2013. At the time, police said

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the introduction of the facility led to a reduction in crime and fewer

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fights between addicts. This area used to be

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littered with syringes. Social workers say they regularly

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picked up several hundred every day. But since the drug consumption

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room opened a year ago, We are concerned this may mean that

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more people continue to use drugs and there will be more

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dealing in the area. Because heroin users need bits

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of kit like needles and syringes, heroin can be

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a public health problem. Last year there was a reported spike

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in HIV infections in Glasgow, which authorities said was down

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to heroin addicts sharing needles. If it opens, Glasgow's new fixing

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room would be the first of its kind in the UK, but the details must be

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first worked out including how much the facility would cost,

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where it would be situated, The Drug and Alcohol Partnership

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in Glasgow is expected Daniel on Facebook said, my sister

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died in 2001 due to heroin. The safest way to prevent these

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tragedies is not to use it at all. Louise on Facebook, this makes drug

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use more acceptable and palatable. Next they will say we need to make

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it legal or downgraded legally. Wrong, we need to stamp it out. It

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is not acceptable. We can speak now to Niamh Eastwood,

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from the charity Release, which provides expertise on drugs

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and drugs law, she wants to see these fix rooms across the UK,

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Chip Somers, a former heroin addict, who thinks the clinics

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would be a waste of money. Thank you all for coming in. Tell us

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why you support the rooms. We have a lot of evidence of the positive

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effects of drug consumption, safer injecting facilities, which is what

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the term is, rather than fix rooms. The first set up in Switzerland.

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1996. With the evidence from 90 clinics around the world, millions

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of episodes of injecting, and not one drug-related death, not one

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overdose fatality. At the moment, in England and Wales and across the UK,

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we have the highest rates of drug-related deaths on record, one

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of the highest in Western Europe. People are dying because of heroin

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and morphine. 107% increase in the number of drug-related deaths in the

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last three years, related to heroin, a crisis, which needs a pragmatic

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evidence -based response and the reality is drug consumption rooms

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are a way to reduce drug-related deaths, overdoses and fatalities. In

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Vancouver, when they introduced it in the late 90s, they saw a 35%

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reduction in overdose fatalities. That's what we want to see.

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Facilities policies, programmes, to save people's lives and this is what

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this proposal by Glasgow which should be applauded, can do. You can

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save lives and unabashedly against that. You are against this. You're

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not persuaded by that argument? Unfortunately not. She is a

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supporter of drugs and decriminalisation and that's what is

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being proposed here. Your piece referred to 5000 problem users in

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Glasgow but the actual number could be three times that so this centre

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could attract thousands of drug users to it but the idea this is a

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proposal to save lives, that's precisely the rationale used to

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develop a national methadone programme, to distribute thousands

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of needles, to distribute the reversal drugs and we've not seen

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any reduction in drug-related deaths in Scotland, a steady rise instead.

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If you leave drug use in the lives of addicts, it causes chaos. We need

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services not enabling users to use these substances but enabling them

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to get off drugs and when we survey Dover 1200 drug users, less than 5%

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said they wanted help to use drugs with a greater degree of safety. The

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vast majority said they wanted to get off drugs. We have services

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refusing to acknowledge the voices of drug users themselves. That's

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what we should be doing, having facilities dedicated to helping drug

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users recover rather than proposing a means where they can use drugs

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more easily. You are a former heroin addict. You now help people to get

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off drugs. Do you agree with what you're hearing here about people not

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wanting to be told how to use it safely but to be told how to get off

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it? Most people using drugs don't want to use drugs, they want to stop

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using drugs. I wouldn't have used one when I was using because when I

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had my drugs I want to get home as quickly as possible, enjoyed in my

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own home, and just be Private. Yes, of course, there were things which

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went wrong and I'm in favour of anything that helps reduce the

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numbers of deaths for young people using drugs. My problem with this is

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the expense it's going to be to run a facility like this, I think around

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?200,000 plus, an awful lot of people through a rehab programme and

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getting them out of the system. My concern about this is the cost at a

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time when people are finding it incredibly difficult to get into

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rehab, get support. The empathetic approach which will be taken by the

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people who work within these drug rooms should be given to people who

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are currently receiving methadone and other support. At the moment,

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they are lucky if they see their drug worker for 20 minutes every

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three weeks and that's where we should put the money rather than in

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an enterprise like this. I don't think this is either or argument.

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It's about making sure we have a system in place. Its money spent on

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this, not being spent on rehab. In terms of cost, the evidence across

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the world show there are cost savings associated with this policy.

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The reality for a lot of people, accessing this, they are often

:24:07.:24:12.

marginalised, using on the streets often, so what happens is that they

:24:13.:24:21.

experience an overdose on the street, suffer from related

:24:22.:24:29.

injuries, so have to be taken to hospital by ambulance, and money

:24:30.:24:33.

could be saved in terms of reducing the costs associated with that. What

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about the long run but people are going to these places? Is there any

:24:38.:24:43.

evidence to show they are getting off drugs? Yes, this is hard to

:24:44.:24:46.

reach groups so we have them coming into a formal setting, where they

:24:47.:24:51.

can inject safely, they get access to social services and health care,

:24:52.:24:58.

and also a range of other really positive interventions. Evidence

:24:59.:25:01.

shows that it makes people much more likely to engage with treatment

:25:02.:25:05.

services if they have access to these drug consumption rooms. The

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evidence in this case is overwhelming for the positive nature

:25:10.:25:15.

of this. Does this persuade you? She's giving a misleading impression

:25:16.:25:21.

that this is a route to get drug users off drugs. If you set up a

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facility, which is there to enable drug users to bring in illegal drugs

:25:27.:25:30.

to the setting and use it, the idea that that is a catalyst to their

:25:31.:25:37.

recovery, it is at Lee misleading to present it in that way. There's

:25:38.:25:41.

plenty of evidence in this case, it is well-established. I didn't

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interrupt you, so please let me finish. Don't talk over each other.

:25:46.:25:51.

What about the evidence, though, because there has been 30 years

:25:52.:25:55.

experience, so why don't you believe there is evidence to show it needs

:25:56.:25:59.

to be coming off drugs? There is evidence you can attract drug users

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to those centres. There was no evidence that they become drug-free

:26:04.:26:06.

as a result of that contact. That is the problem with these initiatives.

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They are presented as an attractive way to make contact. I just want me

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to answer that. Is there hard evidence? It at the same people just

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coming back? There is hard evidence. Give me figures. The reduction in

:26:28.:26:31.

sharing equipment, so research from Switzerland for example shows there

:26:32.:26:39.

was a reduction of 70% of people accessing needles, and reducing

:26:40.:26:43.

their sharing of equipment. That stopping sharing not getting off

:26:44.:26:49.

drugs. It reduces it. It has to be the fundamental basis that a drug

:26:50.:26:54.

policy, the first step. Let reduce blood-borne viruses. There is

:26:55.:27:00.

evidence from Vancouver, an amazing project, the middle floor is where

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people can go and get substitute therapy, a rehab associated with it.

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But still no hard evidence of people coming off drugs? I haven't got the

:27:10.:27:15.

statistics. I'm not going to make it up, but what I will say is, from

:27:16.:27:19.

what we've seen across the world, that is what happens and if we had

:27:20.:27:25.

people stable, transitioning from injecting street heroin in a risky

:27:26.:27:28.

environment, onto a long-term prescribing regime of pharmaceutical

:27:29.:27:35.

heroin, that is positive. We are saving lives. I can't see why

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anybody objective is more important than saving people's lives. What is

:27:40.:27:46.

the litmus test for you? I presume these are people who are completely

:27:47.:27:49.

out of touch with all other services because they can't be using

:27:50.:27:54.

methadone and use heroin in consumption rooms. That would make a

:27:55.:27:56.

complete nonsense of the method don't prescribing system. I'm hoping

:27:57.:28:03.

it allows people who are no contact with the services to be in touch

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with some services that will be a good thing. -- methadone. I have a

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concern about the parlous state of the services being provided. This

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kind of support, introduction to rehab should already have been done

:28:17.:28:19.

with clients they are dealing with now and it has not been. But not

:28:20.:28:24.

everybody is ready for treatment. That's really important. When they

:28:25.:28:28.

get to a point where we have transitional points to get people

:28:29.:28:32.

into long-term treatment... People can be moved towards being ready.

:28:33.:28:40.

That work is not being done. In Scotland, we are failing to move our

:28:41.:28:46.

drug users off our existing national methadone programme into recovery.

:28:47.:28:51.

We have more added deaths linked to methadone in parts of Scotland than

:28:52.:28:55.

heroin. This was a programme which was advised it would enable drug

:28:56.:28:59.

users to move up illegal drugs and into recovery. We are failing on a

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massive scale without programme and if you repeat that situation here,

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we will do exactly the same. We are not supporting services dedicated to

:29:10.:29:12.

recovery and that's what we need to be doing. Some comments from people.

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Lynne is a clinical psychologist has left the NHS due to the tragic and

:29:18.:29:22.

funding issues. Drug addiction is a symptom of our society which we

:29:23.:29:26.

ignore rather than face head-on. Don't judge the addict, look at the

:29:27.:29:30.

facts for the alcohol is a significantly greater risk to the

:29:31.:29:34.

public receives little public disdain. Andrew on Facebook, as an

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ex-junkie, I'm pleased to see a step in the right direction. Addiction is

:29:40.:29:42.

not understood and needs be addressed. Six rooms, are they

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fixing or helping to continue the habit? Who pays? In terms of the

:29:49.:29:54.

messages being sent out, desert it send out a message that it is

:29:55.:29:57.

effectively the state saying it's OK to do this? -- six rooms. It's

:29:58.:30:04.

illegal drugs, isn't it? I don't think it should be about messages.

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-- fix rooms. Going back to what the evidence shows is from these drug

:30:12.:30:15.

consumption rooms globally if we know for example that rates of

:30:16.:30:18.

initiation, of introduction into heroin use are not linked to the

:30:19.:30:22.

drug consumption rooms, so the European monetary centre of drug

:30:23.:30:26.

abuse has specifically said we don't see the initiation of needle users.

:30:27.:30:34.

Our message has to be, how do we want to take some of those

:30:35.:30:38.

marginalised and excluded in society? I would want to give them

:30:39.:30:42.

compassion and dignity and with interventions which save lives and

:30:43.:30:45.

it's as simple as that. Thank you so much all of you for your time and

:30:46.:30:47.

your thoughts on this. Thank you. We'll be talking to those who run

:30:48.:31:00.

fix rooms in Amsterdam and Copenhagen. Also coming up, how the

:31:01.:31:03.

Black Lives Matter movement is making its mark in Britain. And

:31:04.:31:09.

can't work but can't claim. The government is planning to review the

:31:10.:31:13.

work capability assessment that was branded fundamentally flawed by one

:31:14.:31:18.

charity. We will speak to the Minister for disabled people to find

:31:19.:31:21.

out how they planned to get more people back to work. If you've been

:31:22.:31:26.

affected, do let us know. Keep your thoughts coming in on that as well.

:31:27.:31:35.

Good morning. The Democratic leader in the US Senate said the head of

:31:36.:31:40.

the FBI may have broken the law by revealing the bureau was

:31:41.:31:43.

investigating e-mails possibly linked to Hillary Clinton. Harry

:31:44.:31:46.

Reid accused FBI director James Comey of violating an act which bars

:31:47.:31:51.

officials from influencing an election. News of the FBI enquiries

:31:52.:31:56.

comes less than two weeks before the US election. The bureau has obtained

:31:57.:32:00.

a warrant to search e-mails belonging to a top Clinton aide.

:32:01.:32:05.

Thousands of people in Italy have spent the night sleeping in cars and

:32:06.:32:10.

tense after the country's biggest earthquake in 40 years. The 6.6

:32:11.:32:14.

magnitude quake struck close to the region where nearly 300 people were

:32:15.:32:18.

killed in August. This time no one appears to have died but around 20

:32:19.:32:23.

people were injured. Tremors were felt in Rome where the Metro was

:32:24.:32:28.

shut down and as far away as Venice in the north. Barclays Bank says a

:32:29.:32:33.

small number of customers in the UK have been charged twice for debit

:32:34.:32:37.

card transactions made this morning. A spokesman confirmed some Democrat

:32:38.:32:44.

payments had been duplicated -- debit card payments. The bank says

:32:45.:32:47.

it is working to resolve the issue. It says no customers will lose money

:32:48.:32:53.

as a result of the incident. Amber Rudd the Home Secretary is expected

:32:54.:32:57.

to announce whether she will commission an enquiry into the clash

:32:58.:33:01.

between police and miners at Orgreave in South Yorkshire. It was

:33:02.:33:05.

the most violent confrontation of the 1984 miners strike. 124 officers

:33:06.:33:11.

and miners were injured and 93 people arrested. Campaigners claim

:33:12.:33:15.

police used excessive force and manufactured statements. Changes to

:33:16.:33:19.

the way disabled people are assessed for out of work benefits have been

:33:20.:33:23.

outlined by the government. The measures include a review of

:33:24.:33:29.

statutory sick pay and GP fit notes to encourage people who receive

:33:30.:33:32.

Employment and Support Allowance to make a phased return to work.

:33:33.:33:35.

Disability charities have warned some people may not be able to work,

:33:36.:33:40.

no matter how much support they receive. A plan to set up so-called

:33:41.:33:45.

fix rooms to allow drug addicts to inject safely under supervision is

:33:46.:33:48.

likely to get the go-ahead in Glasgow later today. Members of the

:33:49.:33:52.

health board, the local authority and police are expected to agree to

:33:53.:33:56.

the idea in principle. These clinics have been running successfully

:33:57.:33:59.

across Europe for decades, but this will be the first time one has been

:34:00.:34:09.

opened in the UK. It's a controversial idea that splits those

:34:10.:34:11.

who work with addicts. This is a crisis and a crisis needs a

:34:12.:34:13.

pragmatic evidence -based response. The reality is safer injecting

:34:14.:34:20.

facilities are a way to reduce drug-related deaths. We should have

:34:21.:34:24.

facilities dedicated to helping drug users recover, rather than proposing

:34:25.:34:31.

a means whereby they can use drugs more easily. Members of the public

:34:32.:34:35.

are being asked to create a record of ritual markings on buildings once

:34:36.:34:40.

believed to ward off evil spirits. The marks were often carved near

:34:41.:34:43.

entrances to buildings including the house where Shakespeare was born and

:34:44.:34:48.

the Tao of London. The symbols were believed to offer protection when

:34:49.:34:52.

belief in witchcraft and the supernatural was widespread. But

:34:53.:34:55.

historic England face too little is known about them.

:34:56.:35:06.

Lots of you are getting in touch on the idea of drug fix rooms. Glasgow

:35:07.:35:13.

is likely to give the go-ahead to one later today. Graham has detected

:35:14.:35:17.

"I have been advocating for fix rooms for the help of addicts. Many

:35:18.:35:21.

crimes are committed by them. I believe these rooms would have a

:35:22.:35:25.

great benefit to the public as well as the addicts and reduce the drug

:35:26.:35:31.

dealers". Sharon says "I think the setting up of fix rooms is absurd,

:35:32.:35:34.

this is condoning the use of drugs, how can this be allowed? Yet we

:35:35.:35:41.

can't help those who are suffering and wanting to end their lives in a

:35:42.:35:45.

dignified matter, it is beyond comprehension".

:35:46.:35:48.

Let's get some sport with Olly Foster.

:35:49.:35:54.

Lewis Hamilton has cut Nico Rosberg's lead in the Formula 1

:35:55.:36:00.

drivers championship to 19 points. There are only two races left to go.

:36:01.:36:04.

Rosberg needs one more win to seal his first title. Just one point

:36:05.:36:10.

separates the top four in the Premier League after Chelsea kept in

:36:11.:36:15.

touch with the leaders. They beat Southampton 2-0. Manchester City,

:36:16.:36:19.

Arsenal and Liverpool all level pegging on 23 points at the top.

:36:20.:36:23.

Andy Murray's quest to become the world number one is still on track.

:36:24.:36:28.

He beat Jo-Wilfried Tsonga to win the Vienna open yesterday, his

:36:29.:36:34.

seventh title of the year. Next weekend he'll not Novak Djokovic of

:36:35.:36:37.

the top of the rankings of the Serb doesn't meet the final in Paris.

:36:38.:36:41.

Bradley Wiggins bowed out in front of a home crowd yesterday. He is due

:36:42.:36:48.

to retire later this month, but he did hint he might change his mind.

:36:49.:36:50.

I'll be back with an update later. "Never again will I let a system,

:36:51.:36:56.

racist, unfair or otherwise, The more I'm told I can't,

:36:57.:36:59.

the greater the reward The words of Nesta McGregor,

:37:00.:37:02.

a Radio 1 Newsbeat journalist, who's made a very personal documentary

:37:03.:37:07.

about the Black Lives It started as a hashtag in 2012,

:37:08.:37:10.

after 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot dead by neighbourhood

:37:11.:37:22.

watchman George Zimmerman. Since then iconic moments of police

:37:23.:37:27.

brutality captured on camera... Meant the movement

:37:28.:37:37.

spread across America. But now, the Black Lives Matter

:37:38.:37:40.

brand has gone global, with marches in Australia,

:37:41.:37:43.

Canada and around the UK. I'm Nesta McGregor, I'm

:37:44.:37:49.

a journalist at BBC Radio 1 I was born in Jamaica,

:37:50.:37:56.

but by family moved I'm looking to find out what's

:37:57.:37:59.

causing a rise in black They look at her and think,

:38:00.:38:04.

she's a black little And at what it feels like to grow up

:38:05.:38:10.

black and British in 2016. So I guess one of the primary

:38:11.:38:19.

reasons I wanted to make this documentary was to highlight

:38:20.:38:22.

what it's like being black Even at work, it happens

:38:23.:38:25.

on a daily basis. I'll have an e-mail conversation

:38:26.:38:33.

or a phone conversation with someone, set up an interview,

:38:34.:38:35.

go to the premises to meet them, they'll come downstairs

:38:36.:38:39.

to reception, look around, look around, go back upstairs

:38:40.:38:41.

and call and say "are you sure There's a moment when you hear

:38:42.:38:43.

like almost in their head, oh, you're the black guy

:38:44.:38:56.

that was at reception. It's only when I'm saying this now,

:38:57.:38:58.

I realise, but it saddens me. Because it's the way

:38:59.:39:02.

things have always been. I know lots of people listening

:39:03.:39:06.

to this might feel the same. There's got to be a reason why now,

:39:07.:39:09.

people want to take a stand and show the rest of the world

:39:10.:39:13.

how they are feeling. I'm not really interested in hearing

:39:14.:39:21.

the same stats about black Four times more likely to be

:39:22.:39:24.

stopped and searched, What I really want to do is meet

:39:25.:39:28.

some of the people who come out to protest and find

:39:29.:39:41.

out why they are here. These protesters obviously

:39:42.:39:43.

are trying to make their point, is causing as much

:39:44.:39:46.

disruption as possible. Just in front of me,

:39:47.:39:47.

traffic is at an It's pretty much trouble

:39:48.:39:50.

free, but not everyone We come across a couple who should

:39:51.:40:05.

have been on holiday but missed their flight

:40:06.:40:09.

because of a similar demonstration This is important, something

:40:10.:40:11.

is happening here, we want Their family, everyone's

:40:12.:40:17.

got to mourn them. If you lot supported us before,

:40:18.:40:33.

we wouldn't have to do this. Eventually by luck we come

:40:34.:40:41.

across one of the organisers. It was to create as much, you know,

:40:42.:40:52.

awareness about Black Lives Matter. To the people that are here with us

:40:53.:40:56.

today and the people who didn't know the event was happening. I feel like

:40:57.:41:00.

people who are seeing what we are doing isn't going to change

:41:01.:41:03.

anything. They are trying to silence us and we will not be silenced. As

:41:04.:41:07.

the march goes on we come across this guy. What we've got is a

:41:08.:41:14.

gentleman being led away by police who during the march came out of his

:41:15.:41:19.

shop and started shouting some abuse, telling people to go back

:41:20.:41:26.

home and how they don't belong here. They can't keep coming here, they

:41:27.:41:31.

can't keep coming here. I heard this gentleman say that these people need

:41:32.:41:40.

to go back home. I've got 4/2 caste children. I can't even say half

:41:41.:41:44.

caste no more. I've got to say mixed race. There's a million immigrants

:41:45.:41:51.

coming. These people are marching for equality. If they don't feel

:41:52.:41:55.

equal in society what do you want them to do? After the March I went

:41:56.:42:01.

to meet six or seven friends for a drink and they were all white. For

:42:02.:42:05.

the first time I was looking at them thinking, what do they really think

:42:06.:42:09.

of me and are they being honest? That was a little bit weird. After

:42:10.:42:15.

speaking to so many people at the march, and now that I'm back at

:42:16.:42:21.

home... This is genuine, it almost made me feel less black being at the

:42:22.:42:26.

march, or that I was black enough. Because maybe if I hadn't been

:42:27.:42:31.

working I wouldn't have been there, or I'm certainly not as up for

:42:32.:42:37.

marching. Obviously I'm for equal rights but I don't think I would

:42:38.:42:44.

have gone and onto a March. A few days later I've arranged a catch up

:42:45.:42:57.

with Craze 24. He tells me he's been pulled over countless times by

:42:58.:43:01.

police because of the way he looks. He was the one defending the protest

:43:02.:43:04.

to the couple who missed their holiday but he's also using his

:43:05.:43:06.

music to try and change things. # Are you ready for Black Lives

:43:07.:43:27.

Matter # Instead of hating

:43:28.:43:33.

# Focus on the evidence we recorded on our phones #

:43:34.:43:42.

It's a lot cooler in here than at the weekend, why were you at the

:43:43.:43:46.

march? I believe in the issues they were marching for. It's come to a

:43:47.:43:50.

point when we have to start talking and addressing the issues before

:43:51.:43:55.

they go too far. There were some people who came there because a

:43:56.:43:58.

previous march disrupted their holiday. What did you get out of

:43:59.:44:03.

that conversation if anything? I got that they were upset because they

:44:04.:44:07.

was inconvenienced. I felt they were in light and briefly by us talking

:44:08.:44:16.

so I felt positive that I potentially made them see it from a

:44:17.:44:19.

different perspective. We are all humans and it's not about Black

:44:20.:44:24.

Lives Matter more than white lives, it's about realising we are all

:44:25.:44:29.

human. We need to come together and deal with it. Craze 24 has been

:44:30.:44:37.

pulled over more times than he thinks he should be. And it's that

:44:38.:44:41.

gut feeling of inequality or injustice that is united black

:44:42.:44:44.

people. For everyone the fight is different. Why don't I see more

:44:45.:44:50.

people like myself on TV? Why isn't there more black people in top jobs?

:44:51.:44:57.

Why do I get looked at as if I'm a drug dealer? Why is it when people

:44:58.:45:01.

meet me they automatically think I'm black? I'm not, I'm mixed race. Why

:45:02.:45:07.

do people take gangsta Rap so literally, half of the time it's not

:45:08.:45:12.

even what you think it is. Why don't we have more black role models in

:45:13.:45:17.

life? Why is it because I drive a nice car I get pulled over four

:45:18.:45:21.

times in one year. I question why we still don't have a black Prime

:45:22.:45:26.

Minister. In my school everyone looks at you differently, like,

:45:27.:45:30.

she's the only black person. I'm not sure why people assume I like

:45:31.:45:36.

hip-hop or I'm good at basketball. I think I'm the same as everybody

:45:37.:45:41.

else. There's a lot of young black men who lack aspiration in life. The

:45:42.:45:44.

reason they do this because they've not got a role model to help and

:45:45.:45:49.

support them. To try and understand why now, more than ever before

:45:50.:45:53.

there's so much momentum around the movement, I've come to meet Bea.

:45:54.:46:02.

Tutor be to come to their exhibition which is about highlighting the

:46:03.:46:08.

voices of black women. Each layer is to show that black women are made

:46:09.:46:12.

from multiple different layers. She's been going to Black Lives

:46:13.:46:16.

Matter events for several years. Talk to me, what is your life like

:46:17.:46:21.

in Britain today? Life in Britain 2016 as a black British woman is

:46:22.:46:26.

very interesting. Every single day I'm talking about diversity on

:46:27.:46:30.

social media and that's really important for me. The reason I

:46:31.:46:34.

mention that in 2016, about social media, is because ten years ago

:46:35.:46:40.

there wasn't this platform. People are saying these marches did nothing

:46:41.:46:43.

but make people lose support for a movement they perhaps believed in

:46:44.:46:48.

that order did was cause disruption. For me, the impact and the press it

:46:49.:46:54.

had, now people know what Black Lives Matter is. People thought it

:46:55.:46:58.

was just an American issue but when it happened, we were able to enter

:46:59.:47:04.

our conversation into how it is important in the UK. The UK has a

:47:05.:47:09.

different fight. The global face of blackness is American so when we

:47:10.:47:13.

talk about anything today with black people, we instantly think of

:47:14.:47:19.

America. We even think of Africa. We want to show our brothers and

:47:20.:47:22.

sisters in America we are standing with them. This country is hands up,

:47:23.:47:29.

don't handcuff me, I'm not the suspect you thought robbed that car.

:47:30.:47:34.

My child's life is in jeopardy, if she went to America. She is a black

:47:35.:47:39.

girl growing up in this country. Her life is also in jeopardy because

:47:40.:47:42.

people don't view her the same as a white little girl. They look at her

:47:43.:47:46.

and think is a black little girl and she could be bad. Three different

:47:47.:47:53.

experiences of life. The sort of problems they spoke to me about

:47:54.:47:58.

might not seem as dramatic as those in America, but don't forget this is

:47:59.:48:01.

on top of the fact that black people are more likely to live in poverty.

:48:02.:48:08.

They are underrepresented in jobs like police chiefs, judges and MPs.

:48:09.:48:13.

And a black graduate earns 23% less than a white classmate with the same

:48:14.:48:14.

degree. As filming comes to an end, I'm back

:48:15.:48:34.

where I started. We are back in south-east London. This is the

:48:35.:48:37.

estate I grew up on. Some of the best memories of my life were made

:48:38.:48:43.

here. This is where my attitude towards life in general,

:48:44.:48:47.

friendships, relationships, was definitely formed on this estate. I

:48:48.:48:52.

lived there for what, maybe 15 years? I met this man. I've known

:48:53.:48:59.

him for 20 years in general. Member when you could jump over this

:49:00.:49:06.

easily? -- remember? Did you feel the system was against it and it

:49:07.:49:10.

wasn't going to change so you had to give yourself the skills? The poor

:49:11.:49:16.

working class, it's harder. White, black, Indian, Chinese, it's harder.

:49:17.:49:20.

Than if I came from the middle class. It's a mindset. In the

:49:21.:49:28.

school, I'm saying, how long are you going to live for? Until you are 80.

:49:29.:49:33.

So you want to be a gangster? Between the age of 16-20, you will

:49:34.:49:37.

go to jail, get in trouble numerous amounts of times and that will shape

:49:38.:49:41.

your life for the other 60 years. Look at the big picture now. I need

:49:42.:49:46.

this and that. That's what my brother and uncle does. But you

:49:47.:49:53.

don't need to do that. I can leave here without saying hello to someone

:49:54.:49:58.

special. We are just off to see my grandmother who lives on this

:49:59.:50:09.

estate. Hopefully she is here. It's almost like you knew I was coming.

:50:10.:50:17.

How are you doing, all right? When I started making this film, it was to

:50:18.:50:21.

answer a simple question, why are black people in the UK marching? The

:50:22.:50:26.

answer is simple. It is that feeling, all of black people I've

:50:27.:50:30.

spoken to can relate to it, the feeling you get when you don't feel

:50:31.:50:36.

equal. I will see you later, yeah? Bye-bye. I promise I will come

:50:37.:50:43.

tomorrow. From the time I arrived in the UK to my treatment now, nothing

:50:44.:50:47.

has changed. The only difference is, with the power of the Black Lives

:50:48.:50:52.

Matter movement, people are treating it like a brand, something to jump

:50:53.:50:57.

on. I describe it like a bus heading towards a journey and at the moment,

:50:58.:51:01.

the bus is travelling as fast as it's ever going to travel so why not

:51:02.:51:05.

jump on to get to your destination? For me, the journey I have been on

:51:06.:51:11.

is very real because at the March in Southwark, I wanted held hands with

:51:12.:51:14.

the other black people and take a stand about injustice. I don't want

:51:15.:51:18.

to play down those struggles because they are real and what black people

:51:19.:51:23.

face every day, but my opinion has definitely changed throughout making

:51:24.:51:27.

this film. Because of the thing for me is, you want to escape the cycle

:51:28.:51:33.

and we don't want this for our children or our children's children.

:51:34.:51:37.

Should we, as black people, stop waiting for a saviour, other people

:51:38.:51:42.

to help us? Stop waiting for the system to help us and take more

:51:43.:51:47.

responsibility? If we do that, the likes of racism should not affect

:51:48.:51:48.

us. And you can watch the full Radio 1

:51:49.:51:51.

Newsbeat documentary That Black British Feeling

:51:52.:51:53.

on the BBC iPlayer now. Some breaking news to bring you -

:51:54.:51:56.

Raheem Kassam, a former aide to Nigel Farage,

:51:57.:51:58.

has dropped out of the race saying "the path to victory

:51:59.:52:01.

is too narrow". He says the top of the party is

:52:02.:52:15.

treating this like a Coronation. He's said the disgraceful treatment

:52:16.:52:20.

by the media and he has also spoken about problems around fundraising,

:52:21.:52:24.

so he has dropped out of the race to become Ukip leader as a result of

:52:25.:52:31.

that. He had described himself as the most like Nigel Farage as a

:52:32.:52:34.

candidate. Our political guru

:52:35.:52:35.

Norman Smith is here. Herself proclaimed Nigel Farage

:52:36.:52:44.

candidate is out. Tell us why. It is bizarre, becoming like the political

:52:45.:52:50.

equivalent of wacky races of people piling off the track and crashing

:52:51.:52:54.

all over the place. Raheem Kassam is now the third contender to come a

:52:55.:53:00.

cropper. He doesn't directly say why he is not continuing. The give some

:53:01.:53:04.

sort of hints, suggesting he was not happy with the integrity of the

:53:05.:53:08.

election process. That raises questions about whether he thought

:53:09.:53:12.

it was entirely fair, other candidates would be given a leg up

:53:13.:53:18.

somehow. He's also not happy about the media coverage, complaining

:53:19.:53:24.

about journalists doorstepping his parents and he seems to have had an

:53:25.:53:27.

issue with raising sufficient funds, but we now have in the space of a

:53:28.:53:34.

month, Diane James, who was actually elected leader, deciding after a

:53:35.:53:38.

couple of weeks, no, she doesn't want to carry on, suggesting all

:53:39.:53:43.

sorts of shenanigans going on in the party's National Executive Committee

:53:44.:53:45.

to stop carrying out the changes she wanted. Then we had fisticuffs

:53:46.:53:51.

adorned with Stephen Wolf in the European Parliament, when he seemed

:53:52.:53:55.

to come to blows with another Ukip person. He warned about the party

:53:56.:54:01.

being in a death spiral and announced he is quitting the party.

:54:02.:54:07.

Now Raheem Kassam, Nigel Farage's person, his former chief of staff,

:54:08.:54:11.

he pitched himself as the Nigel Farage candidate. Now he has

:54:12.:54:15.

announced he is going and it just becomes more and more extraordinary.

:54:16.:54:20.

He said before he has been targeted by the outrage Brigade, a lot of

:54:21.:54:26.

criticism for various comments he put out on social media, four letter

:54:27.:54:34.

word laden tweets. Comments about the SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon. How

:54:35.:54:38.

much controversy has he attracted? A bit like Nigel Farage, he crosses

:54:39.:54:43.

the street to look for a bit of controversy. He is someone who is

:54:44.:54:46.

not shy about expressing his opinions, let put it that way. Some

:54:47.:54:50.

of the Sunday papers, he was describing one of his competitors,

:54:51.:54:58.

Suzanne Evans, as the biggest liar ever. He does not hold back in

:54:59.:55:02.

expressing himself. I don't think it's that sort of controversy which

:55:03.:55:05.

has forced him to stand down, because he's never been shy about

:55:06.:55:08.

it. He's not a shrinking violet in that sense. I think the truth

:55:09.:55:15.

probably lies in that rather they'll suggestion about the integrity of

:55:16.:55:19.

the process. We're not quite clear what he's talking about there, but

:55:20.:55:23.

he seems to be suggesting that somehow the contest was rigged. Now,

:55:24.:55:27.

we don't know the details, but that's what I take from his

:55:28.:55:30.

suggestion that there was a problem with the integrity of the election

:55:31.:55:35.

process. So who is the favourite going to be now? Paul Nuttall, who

:55:36.:55:41.

used to be the number two at Ukip, in the sense that he's a different

:55:42.:55:45.

kettle of fish to Nigel Farage, but the sort of person who has presented

:55:46.:55:49.

as someone who can appeal to traditional Labour voters in the

:55:50.:55:54.

north of England, where many people believe Ukip's future might be in

:55:55.:55:59.

the post-Brexit world. The other big name is Suzanne Evans. She's found

:56:00.:56:04.

herself at loggerheads with Nigel Farage, looked to move the party in

:56:05.:56:11.

a less confrontational way. She has criticised Nigel Farage for budding

:56:12.:56:14.

up to Donald Trump, that sort of thing, so she has a much more media

:56:15.:56:19.

savvy approach about trying to reposition Ukip. Those will be the

:56:20.:56:25.

two main contenders. The last two still standing. Norman, thank you

:56:26.:56:27.

very much. Are schools letting

:56:28.:56:29.

down adopted children? We speak to a father of two adopted

:56:30.:56:30.

children and an organisation trying to get teachers

:56:31.:56:33.

trained to cope better. Kerry says, "We adopted a girl

:56:34.:56:36.

when she was 18 months old. She struggled when she started

:56:37.:56:39.

school but they helped her extremely well considering they'd

:56:40.:56:42.

only had a couple of Now she's a little high flyer,

:56:43.:56:44.

thanks to the school's early We will be talking about it a little

:56:45.:57:04.

bit later. Time now for a look at the weather. How are things looking?

:57:05.:57:09.

A very murky start. This was the scene at Tower Bridge in the fog in

:57:10.:57:22.

London. We had some poor visibility, below 100 metres across the

:57:23.:57:25.

Midlands, towards eastern areas of Wales. The worst visibility, the fog

:57:26.:57:31.

lifted a low cloud, and the last of it dispersing into the early

:57:32.:57:35.

afternoon to leave some sunshine. A warm day for the time of year with

:57:36.:57:40.

highs between 14-18. A weather front across the North of Scotland. It

:57:41.:57:44.

won't move very far during today but overnight tonight it will push

:57:45.:57:48.

southwards ringing damp weather across Northern Ireland, and the

:57:49.:57:50.

rain moving into northern England by the end of the night. Again we are

:57:51.:57:55.

likely to see some further dense patches of mist and fog forming

:57:56.:58:00.

across England and Wales. Cold in Scotland, touches of frost in rural

:58:01.:58:03.

parts to end the night. That is a sign of things to come because our

:58:04.:58:07.

weather is going to get much colder over the next few days. We have to

:58:08.:58:11.

look into the Arctic to find the answer because that is where the

:58:12.:58:14.

wind is going to be coming from over the next few days, ringing colder

:58:15.:58:21.

air. In London today, 18 degrees, by Wednesday, 11. Seven Celsius drop in

:58:22.:58:27.

temperatures on the way over the next few days. That is your weather.

:58:28.:58:35.

Hello, just before the 10am on Monday. Welcome to the programme.

:58:36.:58:40.

Our top story today, could Hillary Clinton lose the election because of

:58:41.:58:45.

the FBI's e-mail investigation? Polls are tightening the just over a

:58:46.:58:48.

week to go leading Democrats to say the head of the FBI may have broken

:58:49.:58:50.

the law. The FBI is reopening

:58:51.:58:52.

the investigation into the criminal and illegal conduct of Hillary

:58:53.:58:55.

Clinton. Voters deserve to get

:58:56.:58:58.

full and complete facts. And so we called an director

:58:59.:59:07.

James Comey to explain everything right away,

:59:08.:59:09.

put it all out on the table. Also on the programme -

:59:10.:59:15.

are drug fix rooms - where addicts can inject heroin

:59:16.:59:17.

safely - a good idea? Glasgow's likely to give

:59:18.:59:19.

the go-ahead to one later today. This is a crisis and a crisis needs

:59:20.:59:32.

a pragmatic evidence -based response. The reality is safer

:59:33.:59:38.

injecting facilities are a way to reduce drug-related deaths, overdose

:59:39.:59:42.

fatalities. That story has got a lot of you getting in touch. An

:59:43.:59:48.

anonymous watcher says "I'm a heroin addict, these shooting galleries are

:59:49.:59:51.

mainly used by homeless street addicts. The first thing these

:59:52.:59:56.

people need is help with housing and then help getting clean." We'll be

:59:57.:00:00.

speaking with people who run fix rooms in Amsterdam and Copenhagen

:00:01.:00:02.

before 11am. Dealing with the death

:00:03.:00:06.

of a child is tragic enough, but having to get into debt in order

:00:07.:00:08.

to bury them brings We'll be talking to one MP who had

:00:09.:00:11.

to take out a loan just so she could afford to bury her

:00:12.:00:15.

eight-year-old son - she is now campaigning

:00:16.:00:18.

to end council charges We will speak to her live this

:00:19.:00:20.

morning. Here's the BBC Newsroom

:00:21.:00:26.

with a summary of today's news. Raheem Kassam former aide to Nigel

:00:27.:00:39.

Farage has dropped out of the race to become Ukip leader. He said his

:00:40.:00:43.

path to victory is too narrow and that the top of the party is

:00:44.:00:47.

treating the contest as a coronation. He's given his backing

:00:48.:00:55.

to London assembly member Peter Whittle. The race was triggered when

:00:56.:00:59.

Diane James stood down days after her election as leader.

:01:00.:01:02.

The Democratic leader in the US Senate says the head of the FBI may

:01:03.:01:06.

have broken the law by revealing the bureau was investigating emails

:01:07.:01:08.

Harry Reid accused FBI director James Comey of violating an act

:01:09.:01:14.

which bars officials from influencing an election.

:01:15.:01:16.

News of the FBI inquiry comes less than two weeks before

:01:17.:01:19.

The bureau has meanwhile obtained a warrant to search a cache

:01:20.:01:22.

of emails belonging to a top Clinton aide.

:01:23.:01:29.

Barclays bank says "a small number of customers" in the UK have been

:01:30.:01:32.

charged twice for debit card transactions made this morning.

:01:33.:01:35.

A spokesman confirmed that some debit card payments have been

:01:36.:01:37.

The bank says it became aware of the problem earlier today

:01:38.:01:41.

It also says that no customers will lose money

:01:42.:01:45.

Thousands of people in Italy have spent the night sleeping in cars

:01:46.:01:53.

and tents after the country's biggest earthquake in 40 years.

:01:54.:01:55.

The 6.6-magnitude quake struck close to the region where nearly 300

:01:56.:01:58.

people were killed by another quake in August.

:01:59.:01:59.

This time no-one appears to have died, but around 20

:02:00.:02:02.

Tremors were felt in the capital Rome, where the Metro

:02:03.:02:06.

system was shut down, and as far away as

:02:07.:02:09.

The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, is expected to announce today

:02:10.:02:16.

whether she'll commission an inquiry into the clash between police

:02:17.:02:18.

and miners at Orgreave in South Yorkshire.

:02:19.:02:20.

It was the most violent confrontation of the

:02:21.:02:22.

More than 120 officers and miners were injured,

:02:23.:02:26.

Campaigners claim police used excessive force

:02:27.:02:31.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10:30am.

:02:32.:02:45.

A comment to bring new on our Black Lives Matter report you may have

:02:46.:02:54.

seen a few moments ago. A tweet, "Amazing documentary, I was born in

:02:55.:02:59.

Sri Lanka and I also feel out of place in the UK. I face racism

:03:00.:03:04.

nearly all my life". You can watch a documentary on iPlayer.

:03:05.:03:07.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:03:08.:03:09.

use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE and if you text, you will be charged

:03:10.:03:12.

Lewis Hamilton certainly looks like he's back in the winning groove in

:03:13.:03:21.

Formula 1, but he says he might have left it too late. He took the

:03:22.:03:25.

chequered flag at the Mexican Grand Prix to cut Nico Rosberg's lead in

:03:26.:03:29.

the drivers championship to just 19 points. He's won back-to-back races

:03:30.:03:34.

now, but there are only two races left to go this season and Rosberg

:03:35.:03:38.

who finished second in Mexico needs just one more win to seal his first

:03:39.:03:42.

title. Daniel Ricardo was eventually promoted to third. Sebastian Vettel

:03:43.:03:48.

was demoted as was Max Verstappen before him. After ten matches one

:03:49.:03:55.

point separates the top four teams in the Premier League. Manchester

:03:56.:04:00.

City, Arsenal and Liverpool lead the way on 23 points, but Chelsea are

:04:01.:04:03.

the form side at the moment. They made it four wins in a row with a

:04:04.:04:10.

2-0 victory at Southampton. Eden Hazzard scored their first, Diego

:04:11.:04:14.

Costa with the second at St Mary 's. That sees them storm to fourth in

:04:15.:04:20.

the table. I'm very happy. When you see this type of game and you see

:04:21.:04:25.

this commitment of all your players, you must be satisfied. When you see

:04:26.:04:34.

your players that work so hard to win, show you the will to win, it's

:04:35.:04:43.

fantastic for a coach. Four in a row for Chelsea. Andy Murray has won his

:04:44.:04:49.

third title in a row and seventh of an incredible season. This time next

:04:50.:04:52.

week he could be world number one for the first time. He beat

:04:53.:04:56.

Jo-Wilfried Tsonga to take the Vienna open. The tour now moves on

:04:57.:05:02.

to Paris. If Andy Murray wins that title and Novak Djokovic fails to

:05:03.:05:05.

reach the final in Paris the Serb will drop off the top of the

:05:06.:05:09.

rankings. Sir Bradley Wiggins bowed out in front of his home crowd

:05:10.:05:12.

yesterday with a second-place finish at the London six-day event. Wiggins

:05:13.:05:20.

and Mark Cavendish were racing together. They were beaten in the

:05:21.:05:24.

final race by a Belgian pair. He is due to retire in November. But he

:05:25.:05:31.

did hint that he might change his mind. He's enjoyed himself so much

:05:32.:05:37.

in London, he says. The headlines in half an hour. 80% of people in the

:05:38.:05:45.

UK are in work but if you are disabled that figure drops to 50%.

:05:46.:05:52.

For some people their illness or disability means they'll never be

:05:53.:05:55.

able to work but others could with the right support. The problem is

:05:56.:05:58.

how you decide who falls into which category. The current work

:05:59.:06:03.

capability assessment has been branded fundamentally flawed and

:06:04.:06:06.

today the government is announcing a consultation on it. We can speak to

:06:07.:06:11.

the Minister for disabled people and a two people who have been affected

:06:12.:06:16.

by the work capability assessment. One has a number of conditions which

:06:17.:06:20.

make it difficult for him to walk. He's been told twice he is fit to

:06:21.:06:26.

work before that decision was overturned. And the guest who has

:06:27.:06:32.

Parkinson's and has successfully appealed against a decision she was

:06:33.:06:38.

fit to work. Tell us about the assessment you had because it was

:06:39.:06:41.

subsequently overturned but you were told you were fit to work, how did

:06:42.:06:45.

you feel going through that process? Good morning. The process was very,

:06:46.:06:58.

very painful and degrading. If you suffer from arthritis, rheumatoid

:06:59.:07:06.

and osteo, some days you could walk, some days you cannot. And you cannot

:07:07.:07:10.

pick and choose. The day I went there I was feeling rather good. As

:07:11.:07:19.

a result of it, the assessor ignored all the medical results, all the

:07:20.:07:27.

medical evidence and treatments and investigation, and he said I was fit

:07:28.:07:33.

to work and to go back to work. And that was in February this year.

:07:34.:07:37.

Would you have wanted to go back to work? I would love to go to work. I

:07:38.:07:43.

would love to be able to come back and be who I was before. For 50

:07:44.:07:49.

years I worked and I paid my national insurance and helped people

:07:50.:07:53.

and they helped me. But now, when I come to the point that this is what

:07:54.:07:59.

I've paid for, my national insurance and taxes to look after me when it

:08:00.:08:04.

comes to this sort of situation, and they are just pushing you and

:08:05.:08:13.

treating you like a criminal. You have to continuously prove that you

:08:14.:08:18.

are looking for a job while you are attending the hospital and

:08:19.:08:20.

treatment. Psychologically, it really affects people and I had a

:08:21.:08:26.

nervous breakdown as a result of that. Very, very bad, and I'm very

:08:27.:08:34.

lucky I've got a family who kind of give me encouragement to carry on

:08:35.:08:39.

and fight. Diane, what has happened with you? You are diagnosed with

:08:40.:08:42.

Parkinson's four years ago and were found to be fit to work. When I was

:08:43.:08:49.

first put on ESA I was put in a support group and I moved down to

:08:50.:08:55.

Wales. For some reason might ESA stopped. I had to reapply, because

:08:56.:09:02.

they said I'd asked them to finish paying me. I was put in the

:09:03.:09:08.

work-related activity group and I was absolutely worried sick. I was

:09:09.:09:13.

dreading every envelope coming through the door, waiting for this

:09:14.:09:19.

work capability assessment. I was being asked for sick notes from my

:09:20.:09:25.

doctor. I'd taken ill-health retirement so I had no reason to

:09:26.:09:30.

need a sick note. I was constantly being asked and told I wouldn't get

:09:31.:09:34.

any money unless I produced them, and it just went on and on. I was

:09:35.:09:40.

getting myself in such a state my symptoms were worsening. I was

:09:41.:09:43.

getting so stressed about the situation. My local support worker

:09:44.:09:49.

was writing letters and making phone calls on my behalf. It was an

:09:50.:09:59.

endless battle. Suddenly I got a letter saying I was being reassessed

:10:00.:10:03.

and I was back in the support group. I don't know why I was put through

:10:04.:10:08.

so much trauma. The fact that I would love to work, I had to give up

:10:09.:10:13.

work because I'm not capable. Some days I can't even get out of bed.

:10:14.:10:18.

When your condition is so unpredictable, how can you hold down

:10:19.:10:25.

a job? It's a degenerative condition and the word degenerative itself

:10:26.:10:30.

means to become functionally useless. To be told you might get

:10:31.:10:34.

better and be able to go back to work is insulting beyond belief.

:10:35.:10:40.

Penny, what do you think when you hear Bahram and Diane talking about

:10:41.:10:44.

what they've experienced? I think your guests outlined some of the

:10:45.:10:49.

flaws with the existing process and in particular the work capability

:10:50.:10:52.

assessment. We are already doing some things to address some of the

:10:53.:10:56.

points that they have raised. We are dramatically reducing the number of

:10:57.:11:02.

people having to go to appeal to get the right decision by ensuring that

:11:03.:11:05.

health care information submitted earlier in the process. We've

:11:06.:11:10.

already announced we're going to stop retests and re-examination of

:11:11.:11:14.

people who have degenerative conditions. There's no point in

:11:15.:11:18.

doing that, it's stressful for them and additional bureaucracy. But

:11:19.:11:21.

there are further things that we want to do. That's why we are

:11:22.:11:25.

publishing the green paper today which will consult more on a raft of

:11:26.:11:29.

issues for employers, for allsorts of other things, health trials. It

:11:30.:11:35.

will also look at the work capability assessment and ask more

:11:36.:11:42.

probing questions. The government wants to reduce the disability

:11:43.:11:50.

employment gap. There is a marked difference with non-disabled people

:11:51.:11:53.

biking. When there is a target like that does that mean there will

:11:54.:11:56.

always be a drive that will put people through the sort of

:11:57.:12:02.

situations we are hearing? Does sometimes common sense go out the

:12:03.:12:05.

window when there is a policy view driving what happens? This green

:12:06.:12:11.

paper is about putting that common sense back in place. We have been

:12:12.:12:15.

treating people as though they are part of a sausage factory. The work

:12:16.:12:20.

capability assessment has been, as well as the process being far from

:12:21.:12:23.

ideal as your other guests have outlined, it puts people in one of

:12:24.:12:29.

two camps. Can work, can't work. Clearly that's not remotely helpful.

:12:30.:12:32.

Ironically the people who need the most support don't have access to

:12:33.:12:38.

it. What we want to do is look at that fundamental aspect of the

:12:39.:12:42.

assessment process. We want to make the process better by having all the

:12:43.:12:47.

bits of government joined up better, so people aren't having to

:12:48.:12:51.

continually fill out forms or submit the same bit of evidence several

:12:52.:12:55.

times over. We also want to ensure that the end of that process, we're

:12:56.:13:04.

a position to be giving the support that that person needs. Whether they

:13:05.:13:08.

are going to be in work full time, whether they just want to be

:13:09.:13:10.

meaningful activity or whether they are unable to work. At what point

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does an assessment get made that actually the situation is as it is?

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If that were to be the case, it is as it is, we can't squeeze any more,

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actually people do want to work but for whatever reason they aren't able

:13:27.:13:30.

to because of what is required by employers or the fact their

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situation isn't going to get any better, and just leave it at that.

:13:34.:13:37.

And if that requires extra financial resources, it will be found. People

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who can't work or who need income support will always get that. What

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we are focused on today is those people that do want to work, that

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have tremendous talents and skills to offer. Disabled people are the

:13:54.:13:56.

most entrepreneurial people on the planet. A quarter of our new

:13:57.:14:01.

employment allowance went to disabled people over the last year.

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What we are talking about is enabling people to achieve their

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ambitions and enabling employers to benefit from that. That's what we

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haven't been doing as well as we should do date, and that's what

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we're looking to address in the green paper today. Bahram you were

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shaking your head, why is that? Yes, yes. This is, forgive me, it's a bit

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of a nonsense what has happened in the past. I welcome a change for the

:14:32.:14:37.

future. But I'm going to ask one question from Penny. Why on earth

:14:38.:14:53.

the government reduces the people on disability or work-related activity

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by ?30 a week? There were 309 MPs who actually signed this to take

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place. They reduced the money that most people needed to live on, while

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they gave themselves a pay rise. It just doesn't make sense.

:15:15.:15:18.

To know how long it will take for people to ring the Department for

:15:19.:15:26.

Work and Pensions? I could show you my telephone. 35 minutes just

:15:27.:15:31.

waiting for someone just to answer. If I tell you that the result I come

:15:32.:15:36.

out with, even the assessor doesn't have my file, doesn't know where I

:15:37.:15:44.

am, asks me to apply again. In response to those two points, first

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of all, on the so-called RAG group, that is not going to apply to people

:15:50.:15:54.

who are currently receiving benefits, so there will be no cash

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and losers in this. That group, we also announcing today, will achieve

:15:59.:16:05.

some additional support. 13 new measures put together by patient

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support groups, employers themselves, one example being access

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to occupational health services. And on the last point, about how all of

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this is delivered, of course, even if we get the policy absolutely

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right and I hope we will get a better result through this

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consultation about the assessment process, much of this is about

:16:27.:16:30.

delivery. It's about the experience of an individual who quite often may

:16:31.:16:33.

have had some traumatic event in their life, may have lost work

:16:34.:16:39.

because of the situations and obstacles they've had to overcome,

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those people we need to ensure that we are supporting them throughout

:16:46.:16:48.

the whole process and that means how we deliver that, how people can

:16:49.:16:53.

access our services, just a few weeks ago for example, we put for

:16:54.:16:56.

the first time our access to work scheme, which is a really popular

:16:57.:17:00.

scheme, online for the first time. The average amount of time to access

:17:01.:17:05.

that is 20 minutes now, so we're looking at improving all of these

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things but we need to do more fundamental things to really deliver

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the tailored support people need and that's why we have published this

:17:13.:17:17.

paper today. I encourage everyone, local groups, we produced a

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consultation pack to enable them to get involved. We need your input,

:17:23.:17:27.

advice, to make this work. Thank you very much. I know you have got to

:17:28.:17:33.

go, so we will let you go, thank you. I wanted, Diane, to ask you, if

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you are reassured by what you heard from penny because she said people

:17:38.:17:42.

with degenerative illnesses like you will not keep being reassessed in

:17:43.:17:46.

the future. That is good news but I mean, at the time, I went for about

:17:47.:17:51.

three or four months with no money at all. They stopped my money

:17:52.:17:54.

because I didn't provide thick notes. My GP can understand why I

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needed them because I had taken retirement. It's all right saying

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they are going to be reassuring to people with degenerative conditions,

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but if people still being put through this situation, they

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shouldn't have to go through it. It's an unnecessary stress. An

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unnecessary worry, and when you are dreading the postman coming down the

:18:20.:18:22.

path because a brown envelope will come through your door asking for

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another thick note, a hospital appointment, and assessment, it is

:18:31.:18:36.

very, very stressful. They need to consider the individuals and how

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much stress it puts on them and their families, as well. I mean, I

:18:40.:18:43.

was lucky because I had a fantastic support worker who did a lot of my

:18:44.:18:48.

phone calls and letters for me and I think, without her, I don't know how

:18:49.:18:53.

would got through it. Thank you very much both of you. I want to bring in

:18:54.:18:58.

some comments. "I Was told by the DWP I am fit for work because I

:18:59.:19:02.

attended doctors appointments." I have been signed off by Mike GP by

:19:03.:19:07.

March so why is his word not good enough to say I am not fit for work

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-- my GP. Thank you for all of your comments. Do keep them coming in.

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Next, will this man - former reality TV star

:19:16.:19:17.

and billionaire Donald Trump, or this woman - former First Lady

:19:18.:19:21.

and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton -

:19:22.:19:23.

There's a week and a day till the American nation

:19:24.:19:28.

goes to the polls - and Hillary Clinton's

:19:29.:19:30.

The BBC's poll of polls shows Donald Trump at 46%

:19:31.:19:37.

and Hillary Clinton at 49% - as you can see several days ago

:19:38.:19:41.

But her campaign's been rocked by another FBI investigation

:19:42.:19:49.

The most senior Democrat in the US Senate, Harry Reid,

:19:50.:19:56.

has suggested that the head of the FBI may have broken the law

:19:57.:20:00.

by releasing details of a new investigation

:20:01.:20:03.

into her emails - so close to the presidential election.

:20:04.:20:05.

Here's how both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have responded.

:20:06.:20:09.

So we don't know the facts, which is why we are calling

:20:10.:20:12.

on the FBI to release all the information that it has.

:20:13.:20:19.

Even Director Comey noted that this new information

:20:20.:20:22.

may not be significant, so let's get it out.

:20:23.:20:26.

The investigation is the biggest political scandal since Watergate,

:20:27.:20:34.

and it's everybody's hope that justice, at last, can be delivered.

:20:35.:20:43.

We can speak now to Jan Halper-Hayes from Republicans overseas -

:20:44.:20:46.

She wants a Trump victory on November the 8th -

:20:47.:20:51.

and we also have Ebs Burnough, he's a former White House Social

:20:52.:20:54.

Secretary to President Obama and senior political director

:20:55.:20:56.

He's supporting Hillary Clinton in the elections.

:20:57.:21:05.

What you think the impact of could be? It is long on innuendo, short on

:21:06.:21:13.

facts, and virtually absent of any substance. This letter the director

:21:14.:21:21.

sent to Congress has no... It's a fishing expedition and the sad thing

:21:22.:21:26.

is the director has input the FBI into the middle of a presidential

:21:27.:21:31.

election. When something comes to light which might be pertinent to

:21:32.:21:35.

something ring investigated, what else could he have done? The

:21:36.:21:40.

fundamental issue is there's no smoking gun what this letter says

:21:41.:21:44.

is, we are going to look at e-mail that may or may not be pertinent.

:21:45.:21:52.

What's wrong with that? By doing it right in the middle of a

:21:53.:21:55.

presidential election, that should be done with more substance to bear.

:21:56.:21:58.

But letter should have gone to Congress, a subpoena could be issued

:21:59.:22:04.

prior to the Congress, but there should be more detail into what

:22:05.:22:07.

exactly this is, especially realising the massive impact this

:22:08.:22:10.

would have 11 days before a presidential election. Did he break

:22:11.:22:18.

the law by inserting the FBI into a presidential campaign? What do you

:22:19.:22:24.

think? I think the polls right now don't fully tell us the impact of

:22:25.:22:30.

this. Chicago Tribune has asked her to stand down. Some of her strongest

:22:31.:22:34.

advocates have asked her to stand down and have said they are not

:22:35.:22:39.

supporting her any more. When you say the polls on showing the full

:22:40.:22:46.

effect, the poll of polls shows a narrowing, 49-46. Are you saying

:22:47.:22:51.

it's even tighter than that? I think we'll look at the polls in a couple

:22:52.:22:54.

of days and it will get tighter. There have been a couple of things

:22:55.:22:57.

to have changed the polls and impacted Hillary Clinton. One is

:22:58.:23:04.

Obama care, and that is causing a major uproar in the States because

:23:05.:23:09.

of the increase in premiums. A friend of mine in Arizona, family of

:23:10.:23:14.

three years to pay $1000 a month for his insurers but now it's over 2000.

:23:15.:23:20.

Each family member has to pay 5000 in their deductibles before they

:23:21.:23:24.

even get any money back. There is a pay for play which has come out. The

:23:25.:23:29.

WikiLeaks members from her campaign manager, her chairman,. These are

:23:30.:23:38.

all things which are being out there. This latest FBI

:23:39.:23:42.

investigation, due think it will be a game changer? Yes, the final game

:23:43.:23:47.

changer. Talking of Arizona, the fact Hillary Clinton it up by

:23:48.:23:52.

minuscule numbers in Arizona, Georgia, states which are

:23:53.:23:57.

traditional Republican,... They have flipped. Look at the BBC poll of

:23:58.:24:03.

polls. I do agree we have not seen the impact of any of this. We

:24:04.:24:08.

haven't begun to talk about long-term trump a senior aide and

:24:09.:24:17.

his collusion with Vladimir Putin. I know you love to blame the Russians

:24:18.:24:22.

are everything. And the involvement in WikiLeaks and so forth. Tapping

:24:23.:24:26.

into the US government. The bigger issue here is there a 21 million

:24:27.:24:34.

votes already cast. That has to go forward. Most of those votes have

:24:35.:24:39.

been strongly for Secretary Clinton. Just a minute. The states have come

:24:40.:24:42.

out over the weekend and said if people want to vote again and pull

:24:43.:24:47.

their votes back, they are allowed to do that because of this

:24:48.:24:52.

information. I have not had that, actually. Whatever happens, has

:24:53.:24:58.

there ever been a more vitriolic, bitter election campaign in US

:24:59.:25:06.

presidential history? No. Whoever winds, are they going to be the most

:25:07.:25:11.

unpopular president? Hillary Clinton is the worst of the worst of

:25:12.:25:15.

government. Donald Trump is the worst of culture and reality TV.

:25:16.:25:20.

People ask, 330 million people, and you give us these candidates? We

:25:21.:25:25.

know Secretary Clinton has proven itself as a senator, a first lady, a

:25:26.:25:31.

woman of the world, Secretary of State. She not only has the but the

:25:32.:25:37.

skill set and the love of country to attempt to reunite this country

:25:38.:25:42.

after a very vitriolic election. I know the vast majority of Americans

:25:43.:25:45.

never Donald Trump does not have a great temper meant to be president.

:25:46.:25:49.

Not much longer to go. Who knows what twists and turns lie ahead. At

:25:50.:25:54.

the beginning of the season, I said wait a couple of weeks and now we

:25:55.:25:57.

wait a couple of hours for things to change. Thank you both very much.

:25:58.:25:59.

Thank you. Arguments over NHS funding,

:26:00.:26:01.

as the chairwoman of the Commons Health Committee warns

:26:02.:26:05.

the government that it is giving the misleading impression

:26:06.:26:07.

that the health service in England is "awash with cash" -

:26:08.:26:10.

we'll be speaking to her. If you've adopted children -

:26:11.:26:17.

do you get enough support The charity Adoption UK believes

:26:18.:26:20.

many teachers don't understand how best to help adopted children,

:26:21.:26:23.

or those in care. It says they often struggle to trust

:26:24.:26:25.

adults, and consequently do worse We can talk now to Hugh Thornbery,

:26:26.:26:28.

the Chief Executive of Adoption UK and Andy Hatton, who is dad to two

:26:29.:26:35.

adopted girls aged seven and six. J J Cassidy got in touch with us. He

:26:36.:26:49.

adopted a son at the age of four. He didn't have the right support from

:26:50.:26:52.

his school. What was your experience? My experience was we

:26:53.:27:02.

went into a school that had a sinkhole, not fit for purpose, and

:27:03.:27:07.

the School has fortunately turned around. They've got good, and it's

:27:08.:27:16.

very much, the concentration is not there on the children, and their

:27:17.:27:21.

needs, and picking their needs are quickly enough, then the child's

:27:22.:27:27.

mother was education will suffer. The phrase being used to describe

:27:28.:27:32.

kids who are in this situation is attachment disorder. Not everyone

:27:33.:27:36.

will be familiar so explain it. Basically, children with a difficult

:27:37.:27:41.

start in life, not been able to develop relationships. Most children

:27:42.:27:45.

as babies would find relationships with their parents in other aspects

:27:46.:27:49.

of their life. It's simple to understand but to deal with it is

:27:50.:27:56.

complex. Very hard. We heard from JJ, at the moment, many schools

:27:57.:27:59.

struggle to understand these children, therefore manage them in

:28:00.:28:03.

the classroom. Other schools do a very, very good job. We are calling

:28:04.:28:10.

for alongside the Nu T is better awareness across all schools in the

:28:11.:28:14.

country about the needs of these children. You adopted a couple of

:28:15.:28:19.

children, Andy. Have you experienced this? We have. The eldest girl, when

:28:20.:28:30.

she first came to us, she really struggle to develop bonds with

:28:31.:28:34.

anything. She has no favourite teddy, favourite toys, and it took a

:28:35.:28:38.

long time before she actually started to identify things. We knew

:28:39.:28:42.

that was because she'd been moved from home to home, she'd never been

:28:43.:28:45.

able to settle, never had anything permanent in her life, so when she

:28:46.:28:50.

went to school obviously that started to manifest itself in here

:28:51.:28:54.

being quite withdrawn. A way of dealing with things was she would

:28:55.:28:58.

draw into herself and with said, she is a daydreamer, she's not paying

:28:59.:29:03.

attention. If you look at statistics, just 49% of adopted

:29:04.:29:07.

children will reach their expected levels of Key stage two compared to

:29:08.:29:15.

75% of their peers, so it's clear it's something which has to be

:29:16.:29:19.

addressed, and not just left something which is potentially a

:29:20.:29:22.

natural way for that child to be. What have you found to be the best

:29:23.:29:27.

ways of dealing with it? We were very fortunate, when the girls came

:29:28.:29:33.

to us, we looked around at different schools. We were able to choose a

:29:34.:29:36.

school before would be best for our children. They had a parent liaison

:29:37.:29:42.

officer in the school. She was very understanding. A mistake that we

:29:43.:29:47.

made was that we just said to people, the girls were adopted. And

:29:48.:29:52.

we kind of assumed that teachers, being trained professionals, they

:29:53.:29:57.

would understand what that meant. Why was that a mistake you made?

:29:58.:30:04.

Because it made an assumption. Not assuming it would lead to... We

:30:05.:30:09.

assumed they would understand what it meant. Early on, according to the

:30:10.:30:17.

school, our eldest daughter was having developmental issues and

:30:18.:30:20.

explained the background and history of where should come from,, OK, now

:30:21.:30:26.

we understand. That explains an awful lot. And they were able to

:30:27.:30:28.

take action and sort things out. Is it incumbent on the parents to

:30:29.:30:38.

spell out and not assume the school will do the right thing? Adoption

:30:39.:30:41.

works really well because the adoptive parents get really good

:30:42.:30:44.

knowledge and understand their children. We shouldn't allow this

:30:45.:30:51.

just to fool on the responsibility of the adoptive parents -- fall on

:30:52.:30:55.

the responsibility. We want schools to have greater understanding and

:30:56.:30:58.

awareness which is why we are publishing guidance today. Beyond

:30:59.:31:03.

that it's important that within the classroom, classroom teachers

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understand how these children might behave and understand how to respond

:31:06.:31:10.

to that. The traditional approach is behavioural management, that doesn't

:31:11.:31:13.

work with these children. They need greater focus on relationships.

:31:14.:31:17.

Presumably it's resource heavy for a school? No, and I think if you do

:31:18.:31:24.

this right it's less of a drain on resources. The government commits

:31:25.:31:29.

?1900 per year to children adopted from Kent to schools. There is

:31:30.:31:32.

additional funding for them to be able to buy training, counselling

:31:33.:31:38.

support, or to provide one-to-one support for children. David on

:31:39.:31:43.

Facebook says teachers Harv are hard enough job as it is without people

:31:44.:31:48.

expecting them to be social workers as well. Another viewer says

:31:49.:31:54.

teachers need to be sensitive to the needs of all their children. Family

:31:55.:32:01.

tree work or bringing in baby pictures can be a problem. Is that

:32:02.:32:08.

something you've experienced? We have never hidden the fact the girls

:32:09.:32:12.

were adopted but we don't advertise it. We've always said we just want

:32:13.:32:16.

to be a normal family so we try and be as normal as possible. Early on

:32:17.:32:21.

there was a bring your baby photos to school. How did you handle that?

:32:22.:32:28.

We give them photographs of when they were toddlers. They went babies

:32:29.:32:31.

but we had photos of them when they were very young. It was quite

:32:32.:32:35.

noticeable when they pinned the pictures up that everyone else had

:32:36.:32:39.

baby photos and we didn't. No one commented on it. But it made us feel

:32:40.:32:45.

slightly uncomfortable. Thank you very much for talking to us.

:32:46.:32:53.

We'll be talking to an MP who says she was forced to take out a loan

:32:54.:32:57.

just so she could afford to bury her eight-year-old son.

:32:58.:33:00.

She is now campaigning to end council charges

:33:01.:33:02.

Also coming up - are drug fix rooms, where addicts can inject heroin

:33:03.:33:06.

We'll be talking to someone who runs a drug consumption

:33:07.:33:11.

Now for the news from the BBC Newsroom.

:33:12.:33:22.

Raheem Kassam, a former aide to Nigel Farage,

:33:23.:33:24.

has dropped out of the race to become Ukip leader.

:33:25.:33:27.

The former advisor says his path to victory is too narrow

:33:28.:33:31.

and that the top of party was treating the contest

:33:32.:33:33.

He has given his backing to London Assembly member

:33:34.:33:37.

He is the third leadership contender to withdraw from the race

:33:38.:33:42.

which was triggered when Diane James stood down just days

:33:43.:33:45.

The Democratic leader in the US Senate says the head of the FBI may

:33:46.:33:51.

have broken the law by revealing the bureau was investigating emails

:33:52.:33:54.

Harry Reid accused FBI director James Comey of violating an act

:33:55.:33:59.

which bars officials from influencing an election.

:34:00.:34:08.

News of the FBI inquiry comes less than two weeks

:34:09.:34:10.

The bureau has meanwhile obtained a warrant to search a cache

:34:11.:34:14.

of emails belonging to a top Clinton aide.

:34:15.:34:16.

Barclays bank says "a small number of customers" in the UK have been

:34:17.:34:19.

charged twice for debit card transactions made this morning.

:34:20.:34:21.

A spokesman confirmed that some debit card payments have been

:34:22.:34:23.

The bank says it became aware of the problem earlier today

:34:24.:34:27.

It also says that no customers will be out of pocket

:34:28.:34:31.

Following the huge earthquake yesterday in Italy, 6.6 magnitude,

:34:32.:34:49.

and many people have had to spend the night in tents, certainly

:34:50.:34:54.

staying out of their homes while people assess what the situation is

:34:55.:34:58.

with more after-shocks expected. The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd,

:34:59.:35:02.

is expected to announce today whether she'll commission an inquiry

:35:03.:35:04.

into the clash between police and miners at Orgreave

:35:05.:35:07.

in South Yorkshire. It was the most violent

:35:08.:35:09.

confrontation of the More than 120 officers

:35:10.:35:10.

and miners were injured, Campaigners claim police

:35:11.:35:13.

used excessive force That's a summary of the latest news,

:35:14.:35:16.

join me for BBC Newsroom Lewis Hamilton won the Mexican Grand

:35:17.:35:22.

Prix to cut Nico Rosberg's lead in the Formula One drivers'

:35:23.:35:33.

championship to 19 points, but there are only two races left

:35:34.:35:36.

to go this season and Hamilton has conceded that he may have left it

:35:37.:35:39.

too late in his title push, with Rosberg needing just a second

:35:40.:35:42.

and third place finish Just one point separates the top

:35:43.:35:44.

four in the Premier League after Chelsea beat Southampton 2-0

:35:45.:35:54.

to keep in touch with the leaders. Manchester City, Arsenal

:35:55.:35:56.

and Liverpool are level Andy Murray's quest to become

:35:57.:35:58.

World Number 1 is still on track. He beat Jo-Wilfried Tsonga to win

:35:59.:36:02.

the Vienna Open yesterday, Victory at the Paris Masters next

:36:03.:36:05.

weekend will knock Novak Djokovic off the top of the rankings

:36:06.:36:11.

if the Serb doesn't reach the final. And Sir Bradley Wiggins bowed out

:36:12.:36:17.

in front of his home crowd yesterday with a second place finish

:36:18.:36:20.

at the London six-day event. The 36-year-old is due to retire

:36:21.:36:23.

in the next fortnight, but did hint he could

:36:24.:36:25.

change his mind. I'll be back on the BBC News Channel

:36:26.:36:34.

in the next hour and beyond. A group of MPs says the government

:36:35.:36:40.

is wrong to keep claiming it's giving an extra ?10 billion

:36:41.:36:43.

to the NHS in England over The Health Committee has written

:36:44.:36:46.

to the chancellor to say using the figure gives the "false

:36:47.:36:50.

impression that the NHS We can speak now to

:36:51.:36:54.

Doctor Sarah Wollaston, the Conservative chair of the group

:36:55.:36:58.

of MPs who look at health matters. Is this a lie? It is giving an

:36:59.:37:13.

impression that the NHS is awash with cash when in fact health and

:37:14.:37:16.

social care is under enormous financial pressure. We've written to

:37:17.:37:19.

the Chancellor to set out why we think this is the wrong figure and

:37:20.:37:22.

what we feel he needs to look at in his Autumn Statement. They aren't

:37:23.:37:30.

mutually exclusive. You could be giving ?10 billion but it's not

:37:31.:37:33.

necessarily the case it is awash with cash. You saying that the ?10

:37:34.:37:38.

billion isn't the case? You can see how this figure has been arrived at

:37:39.:37:43.

but it's been arrived by adding an extra year to the spending review

:37:44.:37:46.

period which wouldn't normally be done. It's also referring

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specifically to a part of the health budget called the NHS England

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budget. That's been boosted by shifting money from other important

:37:55.:37:57.

parts of health spending like public health and the budgets we use for

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training and education. You can end up making one budget look bigger by

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moving it from other areas that are essential. I didn't think anyone is

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under the impression the NHS is awash with cash, are they? It's

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clear budgets are tight but the NHS is getting extra funding. The point

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is that inflation for the health service and social care runs far

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higher. If you look at the change in our population, we've had a 21%

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increase in the number of people over 65 in the last decade and 31%

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increase in the number of people over 85. Those kind of changes to

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our population puts pressure on. How do you address that? What with the

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funding be do you think? What we're saying is look at health and social

:38:48.:38:51.

care together rather than separate them. And bear in mind that unless

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we are focusing on things like prevention for the future, training

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our future workforce, all these things will add to future costs in

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the NHS. We are saying that we need to have a sustainable future funding

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model. There are lots of options up the. One thing is to show that

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health and social care will be sinking further into crisis over the

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next few years unless something is done to address that. Saying that

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its ten unfortunately makes it much harder to argue for more spending.

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We need to use the right figure which is 4.5 billion. We have got

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some breaking news to bring new from the courts. An interesting ruling on

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joint enterprise which is a law that allows people to be convicted of

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murder even if they do not inflict the fatal blow. Leading judges have

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refused to overturn guilty verdicts in what was the first test case

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joint enterprise challenge brought up a Supreme Court ruling raised the

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possibility hundreds of convictions could be unsafe. The Court of Appeal

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was ruling today on the cases of 12 men who have appealed their

:40:05.:40:07.

convictions of a murder under the joint enterprise rule. It follows an

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from the Supreme Court ruling that found judges have been supplying the

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wrath of 30 years and foresight of a fatal attack is not necessarily

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enough for a jury to convicted defendant of manslaughter. This was

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the first case following on from that ruling that was challenging the

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convictions of 12 men. They've lost their case. The judges in this case

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have refused to overturn the guilty verdicts. An interesting ruling. We

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will bring you more reaction from the court.

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An MP who was forced to borrow money and take out a loan

:40:44.:40:46.

just so she could afford to bury her eight-year-old son

:40:47.:40:48.

who was killed in a road accident - is speaking out for the first time

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about what she describes as the "darkest period of her life".

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Carolyn Harris - the Labour MP for Swansea East -

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was left with a ?1700 funeral bill - which she couldn't afford -

:40:59.:41:01.

for her son Martin who was killed in 1989.

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Now she is backing a new campaign to end council charges

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Thank you so much for coming in. Just to go back to what happened to

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you. You were a young mum, a divorced mum in 1989. You had two

:41:23.:41:26.

sons and you're out in the country when Martin was killed in a road

:41:27.:41:30.

accident. You described the two years that followed that, any parent

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could understand it exactly how you felt, as the darkest period of your

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life. What was it like? It must have been horrendous. It's beyond words.

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You can't imagine. You wake up every day and you have a different

:41:50.:41:53.

sensation. You just learn to live with that awful emptiness, the ache

:41:54.:42:00.

and the guilt. The anger. And you try to compensate by, for me it was

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to visit Martin's grave, every day if I could. Put flowers on his

:42:09.:42:12.

grave. You just can't believe this has happened to you. You never ever

:42:13.:42:20.

get over it. What kept you going? My three-year-old son. Stewart. He is

:42:21.:42:26.

now 31. I made a calculated decision, which one of my boys

:42:27.:42:31.

needed me more. I was able to bury Martin with my grandparents are the

:42:32.:42:38.

calculation was they were with grandma and grandpa. Stuart couldn't

:42:39.:42:41.

have coped with losing his mum and brother so close together so I was

:42:42.:42:45.

therefore Stuart. You were going through that, you had to then find a

:42:46.:42:54.

money to pay for a funeral that you didn't want to even be planning.

:42:55.:42:59.

Nobody expects to bury their child so no one expects to bury their

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child. Last time I saw Martin he was a bouncy happy child. You don't

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expect to lose him. When you are asked about things at the funeral,

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you don't think how much is that going to cost. You just think, this

:43:16.:43:20.

is my child, whatever I need to do, I will have. I know that I had

:43:21.:43:26.

several cars because we took Martin to church the night before. We had

:43:27.:43:30.

to funerals in effect. The undertaker was wonderful, he gave me

:43:31.:43:35.

massive discounts, I know he did, as did my church and might occur. The

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biggest cost was the actual burial cost because I was reopening the

:43:41.:43:46.

grave, which was quite expensive. When you see it in the cold light of

:43:47.:43:50.

day a month later written on paper, apart from the fact it looks really

:43:51.:43:54.

cold and you think, my God, where am I going to get this money from? We

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were fortunate that my husband is from a really close community, as I

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am. His mates in the pub did a whip around and they turned up out of the

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blue with ?1000 which left us with ?750. My mother and father offered

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to help us but my husband and I wanted to do it ourselves. Martin

:44:15.:44:19.

was my son and David wanted to support me in burying him. That

:44:20.:44:25.

shouldn't have to happen, the worst time of your life, having to

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scrabble around. I can remember sitting in the house, there were no

:44:30.:44:33.

mobiles then, waiting for David to phone me from the phone box outside

:44:34.:44:35.

the bank to say we've got the ?750. You then were not an MP. I had been

:44:36.:44:49.

a barmaid. I was looking after the kids then. Two years later, when I

:44:50.:44:53.

came out of this place, I worked as a dinner lady with mentally

:44:54.:44:59.

handicapped children. And physically handicapped children. I just wanted

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to do something, working with kids, who maybe didn't have the advantage

:45:06.:45:10.

is my son had had. Good health. From there, I got involved with all sorts

:45:11.:45:15.

of things, political, and ended up going to university at 34. I think

:45:16.:45:20.

it was losing Martin, probably, the catalyst for me and wanting to never

:45:21.:45:23.

be in that position again that I couldn't afford to provide for my

:45:24.:45:27.

children because my kids never went without. At that time, when I just

:45:28.:45:33.

didn't have the money, to pay for it. Now you are in a position where

:45:34.:45:38.

you can affect change. What do you want to see happen? I don't want any

:45:39.:45:42.

other parent to have that awful worry of where we are going to get

:45:43.:45:46.

the money from? 5000 kids will pass away in this country every year,

:45:47.:45:50.

4000 of those will be babies. You can't imagine what that feels like,

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that pain is absolutely unimaginable. Unless you've been

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there, you can't experience it. If the only thing we can do to make it

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slightly more restful for the parents, is not to have to worry

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about the cost of the funeral, it's not something any mother should be

:46:10.:46:14.

worrying about. What reaction had you had politically? I've not gone

:46:15.:46:22.

on Twitter. Other people have treated, and gone on Facebook, and

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I've had a tough weekend since the story came out. I made a decision to

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tell the story but did not expect to feel quite as bad. It's brought

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everything back. People are very supportive and I hope Philip Hammond

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can find it in his heart. Have you had any indication? No. It would

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mean the world to me. There's a mother out there who was going to be

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in the position I was 27 years ago, and my heart bleeds for him now.

:46:53.:46:59.

Thank you for coming in. Thank you. Let's bring you more on that

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breaking News that leading judges have refused to overturn guilty

:47:03.:47:07.

verdicts in the first test case joint enterprise challenges that

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were brought after a Supreme Court ruling raised the possibility

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hundreds of convictions could be unsafe. Five Coleman is outside of

:47:13.:47:18.

all court of justice. They have lost, haven't they, so tell us how

:47:19.:47:24.

significant this could be. They have lost so extraordinary scenes in

:47:25.:47:27.

court. Lord Chief Justice who gave the judgment left the court with

:47:28.:47:31.

screams and shouts of valid terms of the 12 men concerned bringing in his

:47:32.:47:37.

ears. Shouting, no justice, no peace. This is a really complicated

:47:38.:47:42.

area of law but let me explain it to you and why it is so significant.

:47:43.:47:47.

Back in February, the Supreme Court didn't extraordinary thing,

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basically saying the law that governs the conviction of

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accomplices, those people who played a lesser role in a crime, in

:47:55.:47:59.

particular murder, those who didn't wield the fatal blow, inflicted, the

:48:00.:48:05.

weapon, the law had been wrong and wrongly applied for 30 years. An

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incredible statement by the president of the Supreme Court. He

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said it's up to the Supreme Court to correct the position. The reason why

:48:19.:48:20.

it had been wrongly applied was the test had been simply if you were out

:48:21.:48:26.

in a group of people and one of them went on to kill or cause GBH, the

:48:27.:48:33.

test was, could you, another member of the group, foresee that that

:48:34.:48:39.

other person might either kill or cause serious harm? It was a test of

:48:40.:48:45.

foresight, not intention. The Supreme Court said that's wrong.

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Foresight alone is not enough. I have to say, it was seen by many as

:48:50.:48:53.

a low bar for prosecutors to cross and one which enabled them to throw

:48:54.:48:57.

the net over group saw gangs in particular of young men. The Supreme

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Court said no, the test must be has the accomplice intended to encourage

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or assist the person who physically killed? It meant that there were

:49:12.:49:17.

many people in fact, the campaign which campaigns on this issue, says

:49:18.:49:21.

they are in touch with up to 700 people who they say are in prison

:49:22.:49:25.

who may have been wrongly convicted under the old law, so there was an

:49:26.:49:30.

incredible air of anticipation as the first raft of cases came to the

:49:31.:49:37.

Court of Appeal to argue that these convictions should be overturned.

:49:38.:49:41.

This morning the hopes of those involved have been --. All of the

:49:42.:49:47.

appeals and applications have been turned down and what this indicates

:49:48.:49:52.

is the Court of Appeal is not going to open the floodgates, it won't be

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having appeals based simply on the fact that the old wrong law was

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applied that will lead to the quashing of convictions. I should

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add the lord Chief Justice emphasised this morning that the

:50:10.:50:12.

Supreme Court's judgment didn't mean, just because the old law was

:50:13.:50:17.

applied, the wrong law, a conviction should be quashed. One of the key

:50:18.:50:21.

reasons he absolutely emphasised this in court this morning was that

:50:22.:50:24.

the majority of these appeals were brought out of time. 20 days to

:50:25.:50:29.

bring an appeal against a conviction. These were long after

:50:30.:50:34.

that and if you do that, you have to do seek exceptional leave from the

:50:35.:50:38.

Court of Appeal. The Court of Appeal has to be satisfied if they don't

:50:39.:50:43.

grant you that lead, you will suffer a substantial injustice. The judges

:50:44.:50:46.

looked carefully at that issue and come to the conclusion that a very

:50:47.:50:49.

high bar for people who are appealing to cross and they have

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therefore turned down all of these appeals and applications for leave

:50:57.:51:00.

to appeal. It is a crushing blow for the families of those in court today

:51:01.:51:04.

who were hoping for better. Thank you very much, Clive. Let's go back

:51:05.:51:10.

to the other breaking news this morning, the story that another

:51:11.:51:13.

candidate has pulled out of the race to become the next leader of the UK

:51:14.:51:18.

Independence Party. Raheem Kassam, a former aide to Nigel Farage, has

:51:19.:51:21.

withdrawn just three days before he launched a campaign. We can speak to

:51:22.:51:27.

her Ukip MEP. What you think about this? I'm not particularly

:51:28.:51:32.

surprised. I think he didn't really have the depth to mount a credible

:51:33.:51:38.

campaign. The other thing is, he's been widely criticised for the sort

:51:39.:51:42.

of offensive language used on social media. We seem to have lost the

:51:43.:51:53.

line. Can use to hear me, Roger? No, unfortunately not. We have lost him.

:51:54.:51:58.

We will try to speak to him if we can restore the connection. Let's

:51:59.:52:05.

move on to those drug treatment centres. Drug addicts can go to take

:52:06.:52:11.

heroin. Under the watch of various health workers.

:52:12.:52:15.

HIV, botulism and anthrax are on the increase in Glasgow

:52:16.:52:17.

because heroin users get their fix using dirty needles in dirty places.

:52:18.:52:22.

Is part of the answer what's being called "fix rooms" -

:52:23.:52:25.

safe places to inject heroin- provided by the state?

:52:26.:52:29.

That's the proposal which looks likely to be agreed in Glasgow

:52:30.:52:31.

today by the police, the council and the

:52:32.:52:33.

The move aims to address the problems caused by an estimated

:52:34.:52:40.

500 or so users who inject on Glasgow's streets.

:52:41.:52:42.

Such facilities have already been running across Europe for decades.

:52:43.:52:45.

We can talk now to Rasmus Koberg Christiansen,

:52:46.:52:49.

who runs a drug consumption room in Copenhagen - and Cedric Charvet,

:52:50.:52:52.

who runs a drug consumption room in Amsterdam.

:52:53.:52:56.

Thank you both very much for joining us. Tell us how your centre works,

:52:57.:53:04.

how many people use it and what impact you think it had. Yes, we've

:53:05.:53:10.

had a drug consumption room in Copenhagen for four and a half

:53:11.:53:19.

years. We have between 500-700 drug users in the centre every day. In

:53:20.:53:25.

the time we have been running, we have had almost 600 overdose

:53:26.:53:31.

situations and no one has died in our centre. What about if you got so

:53:32.:53:38.

many coming every day, if any indication any of them turn away

:53:39.:53:42.

from drugs after coming into contact with people who could put them onto

:53:43.:53:46.

a different path? We are talking about a group of people here, very

:53:47.:53:53.

hard drug users, so, of course, when we talk to them and they come to our

:53:54.:53:56.

centre, we build up relations with them and then we can also point them

:53:57.:54:03.

in a direction where they can get treatment and stuff like that so,

:54:04.:54:07.

yes, it happens. It's more about making sure that these honourable

:54:08.:54:10.

people don't die rather than making sure they go down a different path?

:54:11.:54:17.

The first step is that they don't die and then a second step is tied

:54:18.:54:23.

to up relations so they can find a different path, yes. Cedric, what is

:54:24.:54:27.

the situation with your room in and put them -- Amsterdam? We're

:54:28.:54:35.

operating those facilities for more than 15 years. On a smaller scale

:54:36.:54:44.

from the previous guest. We tried to have integrated facilities spread

:54:45.:54:50.

around big cities which does not concentrate users. In terms of

:54:51.:54:56.

treatment, we are there to limit the risk of using drugs, prevention of

:54:57.:55:05.

blood transmission diseases. Even more now than drug-related deaths.

:55:06.:55:13.

In fact, none of them, no overdose in our facilities. The benefit of

:55:14.:55:20.

our organisation is most likely to prevent blood transmitted disease,

:55:21.:55:28.

overdose and also the drug scene, drug use, all of those related

:55:29.:55:35.

impacts has a major impact on the public in general and public

:55:36.:55:42.

resources. We try to tackle that as much as the impact of drug use on

:55:43.:55:51.

the individual. People who don't like these rooms are concerned about

:55:52.:55:55.

the message it sends out, which is indicating that actually, it's OK to

:55:56.:56:00.

take illegal drugs. People who do not like those rooms should maybe

:56:01.:56:06.

ask users what they think about it, since what we see and feedback we

:56:07.:56:12.

have from our direct neighbours, policymakers supporting us, it's a

:56:13.:56:19.

positive impact at all levels. As an individual level for the drug users,

:56:20.:56:24.

and for the general public. You understand, it goes both ways. It in

:56:25.:56:30.

the interests of all of us. Thank you both very much. Let's go back to

:56:31.:56:35.

the Ukip MEP, were talking to him a moment ago. He is able to talk to us

:56:36.:56:41.

again now about the fact that Raheem Kassam, former aide to Nigel Farage,

:56:42.:56:44.

has withdrawn from the race to become the next Ukip leader. Thank

:56:45.:56:49.

you for coming back to us, Roger. You were saying you win surprised

:56:50.:56:55.

that he has gone. -- you were not surprised. In terms of where Ukip is

:56:56.:57:02.

now, how do you assess it? We need a strong leader who can unite the

:57:03.:57:05.

party and who has a real in-depth knowledge of how the party works

:57:06.:57:10.

across-the-board, from the branches and the regions through to the

:57:11.:57:14.

executive committee, through to the MEP group in Brussels. I strongly

:57:15.:57:21.

feel that Paul Nuttall is the man. The bookies agree with me on that.

:57:22.:57:28.

And what should the political message be from Ukip because

:57:29.:57:32.

obviously we are in a post-Brexit situation now. The broader political

:57:33.:57:39.

message is very simple. Theresa May has said Brexit means Brexit, but

:57:40.:57:43.

what does Brexit mean? I understand they're not going to offer a running

:57:44.:57:48.

commentary. What Ukip is saying is we voted to leave, which means

:57:49.:57:52.

leaving the single market, controlling our borders, getting the

:57:53.:57:56.

fisheries back, no contributions to the EU budget, not subject to EU

:57:57.:58:02.

rule, we will be an independent nation and, like other independent

:58:03.:58:06.

nations, we will be free to negotiate a free trade deal with the

:58:07.:58:11.

European Union. We are right out of time. Thank you very much for

:58:12.:58:12.

joining us. On the programme tomorrow

:58:13.:58:15.

we'll speak to some of the Daily Mirror Pride

:58:16.:58:17.

of Britain winners. They want our physicality

:58:18.:58:34.

and our musicality.

:58:35.:58:38.

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