22/11/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

This morning, we reveal that thousands of people with incurable

and degenerative conditions like Parkinson's, MS and dementia

are being told that some of their personal-independence

payments are being stopped, because they're deemed

It just makes you feel so demoralised.

I instantly knew the system is simply broken, because how can

they tell me I'm better than I was, when I've deteriorated?

We'll bring you the full exclusive story throughout the programme.

And if you've been affected, do get in touch.

Should patients have to show their passports to get

non-emergency treatment on the NHS in order to crack down

We'll hear the arguments for and against.

And, last week we spoke to former professional

footballer Andy Woodward in his first broadcast interview.

He told us about the abuse he suffered for years at the hand

The impact it's had on my life is just catastrophic,

and you live with that all your life, and you can't put it

Since that interview, he's been contacted by other footballers

Throughout the morning we'll bring you the latest breaking news

In around half an hour we're expecting to find out how much more

And in around 15 minutes, this man, legendary BBC

journalist John Simpson, who's here to answer your questions

Plus, he'll tell us about his near-death experiences.

Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning.

If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

Our top story today is that the NHS is looking at whether patients

across England should have to produce two forms of ID before

Its most-senior official says it is considering identity checks

in an effort to tackle the rise in so-called health tourism,

when foreigners come to the UK to receive free medical treatment.

The NHS is aiming to claim back ?500 million a year

The money recovered has risen in the past few

years but is still more than ?200 million short.

Yesterday, MPs on the Public Accounts Committee challenged health

bosses about what they were doing to improve the situation.

The Department of Health's most senior civil servant,

Chris Wormald, told them there were lots of possible ideas,

including requiring patients to produce ID.

Are we looking at whether trusts should proactively ask

There are individual trusts, like Peterborough, who are doing

that and are reporting it makes a big difference,

and there you are saying, "Please come with two

forms of identity - passport, address," and they use

that to check whether people are eligible or not.

Mr Wormald acknowledged it was controversial,

but said it appeared to be making a big difference,

and was the kind of thing the Government wanted to look at.

He said it was unlikely that all trusts would introduce measures

like this, it would depend on their populations.

A consultation on the issue is under way.

Our political guru Norman Smith is here.

Would the Government really press ahead with getting NHS patients

to produce passports and utility bills before they can get treated?

It is already happening, if you go to Tooting and what to do maternity

services, you will have to produce your passport, and you will also

have to have some other proof of address, maybe a utility bill or

something like that, before you can take advantage of the services,

because of concern about so-called maternity tourism. It is part of the

broader concern about people from outside the UK coming here to take

advantage of the NHS, because if you come from elsewhere in the EU, you

are supposed to say so the Department of Health can build the

other EU country, and if you come from outside the EU, you are

supposed to pay yourself. It is estimated that the price of

so-called health tourism could be up to ?2 billion a year. At the moment,

the NHS is apparently only clawing back 300 million. There is a huge

amount of money which the Government thinks they could claw back. But

that said there is a considerable amount of disquiet amongst doctors

in particular, who say, we are not immigration officials or

accountants, we are here to treat people. There is also a view that

many British citizens might struggle to get the necessary ID, because

only 70% of people have a passport, so it could be a huge hassle for

people who do live here. Then there are questions about the culture of

the NHS, do we really want to impose these conditions before people

receive treatment? Another story this morning,

Donald Trump's said Nigel Farage would make a good ambassador

to the US. The Downing Street point of view is

absolutely not. They reacted with a stunned horror this morning at the

very thought that Nigel Farage could become the ambassador to Washington.

They have said in diplomatic speak that there is no vacancy, but

talking to number ten people privately, they say categorically

there will be no role for Nigel Farage, because if you think about

it, it would be an incendiary move, it would cause a political outcry in

the Tory party. Downing Street say, he is an opposition politician, he

spends his time attacking the Conservatives, why would we want him

in Washington? Theresa May the sort of politician who likes to good

troll events, Nigel Farage is a complete lose Callan, they would not

want him roaming around Washington. I spoke to him this morning, he

says, if Donald Trump things I can do a job, I am very happy to do it,

I would do anything I could to bolster ties between Britain and

America. The BBC Newsroom with a summary

of the rest of the day's news. More than 50 flood warnings

are in place across England and Wales, with more heavy rain

forecast today in the South-west and north-west England

and south Wales have been Network Rail is warning

of disruption to train services. It says the main line to south-west

England has been "severed". The heavy rain spread

from the south-west Here in Stalybridge,

to the east of Manchester, torrents gushed past cars as people

tried to make their way home. Greater Manchester Fire

and Rescue Service received 120 Elsewhere, the heavy rains

caused localised flooding. Train services between London

and Cardiff and the south-west were badly affected yesterday,

and there could be further It's the same story across the north

of England, where there were delays and cancellations

between Manchester and Leeds. Train operators say some routes

will remain closed until it's safe The weather is also

hitting ferry services. 146 passengers and crew have been

stuck overnight on this ferry It is expected to make a third

attempt to dock at The Environment Agency is warning

of more rain and further flooding before the rain

eventually eases off tonight. The site of the Fukushima nuclear

plant in Japan has been hit by a one-metre tsunami wave

after a powerful earthquake off Officials say there is no sign

of damage and the government has The facility was destroyed

by an earthquake and The Turkish prime minister has said

the government is withdrawing a controversial bill

which would have allowed men who'd had sex with underage girls

to have their convictions quashed The bill had sparked

protests and had been met The parliament in Ankara had been

due to vote on the bill later today, but critics said it would legitimise

statutory rape and encourage Thousands of people with incurable

conditions like Parkinson's, MS and dementia are being told

by the Government that some of their benefits are being stopped

because they're getting better. This programme has discovered

that many applying for the mobility element

of Personal Independence Payment are having their awards

reduced, sometimes to zero. The Government says that more

people overall are getting American researchers say

the proportion of people in the US The number of plastic

carrier bags found on UK beaches has dropped by 40%,

according to conservationists. The Marine Conservation Society

says its volunteers cleaned up an average of seven plastic bags

for every 100 metres of coastline this year,

down from 11 in 2015. It's attributed the fall

to the introduction of the five-pence levy

on plastic bags. According to reports in the US

media, the rapper Kanye West has been hospitalised,

suffering from exhaustion. The news comes after the musician

abruptly cancelled the remainder of his live tour following a week

of no-shows, curtailed concerts Well, a zoo in America is asking

the public just that. They were born in September,

and a name has to be decided by December 12th, in accordance

with Chinese tradition. People can choose from seven

pairs of proposed names That's a summary of the latest BBC

News, more at 9:30am. Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning. This is to do with our exclusive

story just after 9:30am, about some element of personal independence

payment being taken away from people with degenerative and in curable

conditions of. One person says, I don't understand what this

Government is doing. It ain't says, the system has been ripped apart by

a Government's attempts to privatise. Terry says, it is a

disgusting situation, especially when decisions are being overturned

on appeal all the time. 65% of original decisions are overturned on

appeal. Kathy says, I see it everyday, I helped to run a benefit

support group, we have members struggling, fighting to get what

they are due. It is appalling discrimination.

Let's get some sport, and we can join Hugh Woozencroft this morning.

We'll start with the England managerial vacancy, are we any

After a job interview there will be an anxious wait for Gareth Southgate

to see if he does become the new England manager. He is in pole

position, he had an interview lasted more than three hours with the FA

yesterday, but there is not an announcement expected until next

Wednesday. He was unbeaten during his four matches as interim manager,

but the interview has prompted Chris Sutton to call it a slap in the face

for Gareth Southgate. Adrian Bevington used to be an FA

executive, he has said it made perfect sense to make the meeting

public, and that it did not overcome locate the process. There is one

thing that could compensate it, the sacking of Jurgen Klinnsmann as the

USA head coach. It was reported in July that he was one of those who

was interviewed as a potential successor to Roy Hodgson. He is

likely to be in the running this time around as well. On petition for

Gareth Southgate could be hotting up. There is no rush for the FA to

name the next manager, England's next match is not until March.

Staying with football, and it was good night for West Brom?

One game in the Premier League last night, West Brom beat Burnley 4-0 at

the hawthorns, thanks largely to a first half scoring blitz. Matt

Phillips, James Morrison and Darren Fletcher put them 3-0 up at

half-time, and Salomon Rondon rounded off the scoring in the

second half. They move into the top of the table, with back-to-back

victories. Good news for baggies fans. Take a look at this. Talk

about wrong place, wrong time, one of the sound men at the Minnesota

Vikings tried to get into the right place as the teams ran out,

completely wiped out by their defensive lineman. Fortunately, he

was OK afterwards. He could see the funny side. It almost was not a

laughing matter. He is six foot four, 329 lbs. I am sure he had a

headache the next day, he did well to get back from that smiling. That

would hurt. More from you through the morning.

Lots to come throughout the programme, but first,

John Simpson is the BBC World Affairs Editor,

His job has taken him to some of the most-dangerous

He became the first journalist to interview the Taliban

after dressing in a burqa to sneak into Afghanistan.

He's been hunted by Robert Mugabe's forces in Zimbabwe and witnessed 46

But despite having been blown up, bombed and injured, the 72-year-old

says his most hair-raising experience was nearly dying

Fortunately, he made a full recovery, and has released

a new book all about the life of a foreign correspondent.

He joins us, and if you've got a question for John

It was the smoked haddock that nearly did for you. It was, and the

next day I played a game of cricket, all day long, it was quite hot, hard

to believe, the beginning of September, so I got a bit

dehydrated, and apparently this interacted with pills I had been

taking for years to cut down the sugar in my blood. I nearly died of

kidney failure. I did not have to show my passport at the John

Radcliffe Hospital. It is only for nonemergency. I think

you were an emergency. When I got a little bit better I tried to say to

them, I'm leaving all the money to a cat's home! They didn't think it was

really very funny. I thought it was great! Two of the doctors said to me

afterwards, they went home that night thinking he is a gonner and

said that to their wives and families. I am a tough old character

and I kind of, I just got over it. How many near death experiences have

you had? Well, when I was in hospital I thought I better work it

out in case anybody asked me that question. Nobody has, actually,

you're the first, but I got the answer! Nine plus this. Nine of

bombing, shooting, knives, once a knife. That kind of thing. This is

death. This is not just kind of injury. But I think this was number

two, if not the number one incident. Probably the number one incident was

being bombed by the Americans in 2003 in Iraq. When your translator

was killed? Yes. I was just back there last week actually and I went

to see his family again. And that was painful, Victoria. I went, I had

to break the news back in 2003 to her that her son had died. I had

blood on my clothes. And going back there was quite hard too and not

many dry eyes in the house when we were talking, but I have always felt

a bit guilty. He only joined us because he had seen me on television

and he thought that we would have adventures together and he was just

24. He was just a kid. So I had to say to his mother could she find it

in her heart to forgive me for taking him and getting him killed?

It wasn't very easy, but she said yes. Did she? Yes. Goodness. When

that incident happened, you carried on reporting, why? Well, it is what

I exist to do. I mean, you know, it seems to me that that was of

interest and in a way, quite important. I mean it showed

something about the way the American forces operate which I thought

people should really, really know about. Well, that actually, that

phrase that people should know about that, that gets to the heart of what

a foreign correspondent is which is what your book is about. How would

you define the role of a foreign correspondent then? It's simply

that. It's nothing more than opening things up to people in foreign

countries and saying, "We think you might be interested in this. Or

perhaps this is important for you to know about." Nothing more than that.

It is a weird profession. It doesn't do very much for the home lives of

the people that do it. But there are some fantastic characters who are

and have been foreign correspondents. I just wanted this

book to be a celebration of them, of some of them, you can't get

everybody in. God knows I had to leave an awful lot of people out,

but... Who would you draw out for our audience watching this morning?

Murray Colvin the correspondent for the Sunday Times who died a couple

of years ago. Deliberately bombed by the Syrian Army. And a wonderful

girl, I suspect I was half in love with her for years and years and

years and I saw her just a few, a couple of months, a few weeks before

she was killed and she had already suffered an eye injury in Sri Lanka.

She used to wear... There she is. Oh dear, Marie. She was a lovely girl.

I was going on perhaps a little bit too seriously. Something we do we

were talking at, both of us at the Chelsea Arts Club and she and I was

getting a bit pompous probably, well it is not difficult for me, of

course, about the way that you know the importance of foreign news and

she just interrupted me and got this lovely New York accent and she said

to me, "Ya, but we do have an awful lot of fun, John." I just was,

perfect. That, of course, goes into the book. 50 years at the BBC this

year, is that correct? It is. I've just passed the moment, yes. I'm

just doing, in fact I went to see the mother of my translator for a

Panorama that we're doing in early December about my weird 50th

anniversary. It doesn't seem like it. I didn't look like David

Attenborough. I looked different, but somehow we've grown together.

Yes, but in that time, I'm sorry it is such an obvious question, but I

want to know the answer, you've interviewed world leaders and

reported on all major conflicts over the last few decades. You know, you

were there when the wall came down in Berlin. What has had the most

impact on you? Funnily enough, not a bad thing, but a really, wonderful

thing and I still, I still get a bit of warmth from just thinking about

it. I went to South Africa. I was the BBC correspondent in South

Africa during the absolute heart of, the height of apartheid and you

know, I knew how awful it was. And everybody assumed that the end of

apartheid would bring civil war and bloodshed on a massive scale and I

was there in 1994 when people were thinking that there was going to be

bloodshed and there wasn't and there wasn't because each of a number of

people, but five or six people decided to do the right thing

instead of the selfish thing for their part of the community. They

reached an agreement and we had an election where there wasn't a single

crime committed in the entire country of South Africa which is not

exactly crime-free on that day. I was quite close to Nelson Mandela at

that time. I will never, I mean, watching the

wall come down was wonderful. If your book you say the greatest

exclusive story of the past 50 years came from first class reportage and

it was Michael Burke's reporting of the famine in eth thopia, let's

look: And as the sun breaks

through the piercing chill of night on the plain outside Korem,

it lights up a biblical famine - This place, say workers

here, is the closest Thousands of wasted people

are coming here for help. They flood in every day

from villages hundreds of miles away, dulled by hunger,

driven beyond the point 15,000 children here now,

suffering, confused, lost. A child or an adult

dies every 20 minutes. Korem, an insignificant town,

has become a place of grief. Explain why you think that had such

an impact. Partly the pictures shot by a friend of mine who was later

killed. Partly, but mostly, I think, the words, the way that Michael

allowed the pictures to just come through and not kind of dictate to

you what you should think about this. No emotion there. None of that

quite intrusive business about how you feel. I mean, I always think who

cares how I feel, you know? And Michael clearly thought the same,

who cares about my reactions, it is all about what is happening in front

of our eyes. He just was, I say was in the past tense because he doesn't

do, he is not a foreign correspondent, he was an absolute

master of words and they're words that stick in the mind and lesser

people of whom I'm no doubt one, would copy some of the techniques

that he used and all to the good, you know. All to the good. There are

people watching who are perhaps too young to remember that reporting led

to people raising hundreds of millions of pounds for the victims

of the famine. Do you see parallels with Yemen, with what is happening

in Yemen and if not, why? Well, there are parallels with Yemen, yes,

but you know, Yemen is not the only place where people are hungry. It is

that ability that Michael had to shine a light on something. It is

very difficult to get to Yemen. Believe me, I've tried. And I

haven't yet succeeded. I hope I do, but there is not only a civil war

going on there, but Isis in a different form is there. It's

extraordinarily dangerous to cover it. And so far, although it has some

brave people have managed to get there and show us, we haven't had

that sort of, that kind of Michael Burke moment somehow. Yes. Some of

these images from Yemen are unbelievably distressing, but I

wonder if you think we get used to seeing these images because we can

get them anywhere on the internet now, can't we? That's always a

danger. It was a danger back in the 80s when Michael went to, Ethiopia.

That was when the phrase, "Compassion fatigue" Was invented

because afterwards people got kind of tired of being faced with sick

and starving people. I'm not a great sympathiser with compassion fatigue

actually, but nevertheless it is a fact and people sort of moved, you

know, wanted to move on and do other things. I do think it says something

about our society and about the way that ordinary people behave, but on

the other hand, so did that extraordinary outflowing of sympathy

and generosity. You mentioned that you were in Mosul, you have been in

Mosul recently... Well, I was outside Mosul. You were outside? The

BBC fore bade me to go within 20 kilometres of the centre of Mosul.

Why? Because I had been ill and they didn't want me to. I would have been

fine, but I probably might not have survived the experience if I had

driven in there anyway. Fair I want to ask you about

what you think Fair the future Before I do, let's a play a clip

from the BBC's foreign correspondent Quentin Somerville in Mosul in Iraq,

which was broadcast on Sunday. Islamic State are 200

metres in that direction. You can see children

running, children playing. People are living 20 metres

away from here. No military were injured,

just civilians. This was happening

on peoples doorsteps. enough. Do you believe that Islamic

State can be defeated? Oh yes. You said that really casually. They are

on their way out. Really? It was an enthusiasm which built up, you know,

in the last five years and it's, I mean, it only had strength from

being, from seeming to be unstoppable. The Iraqi Army has

stopped it in various places. The Iraqi Army isn't fantastic, but they

are better than Isis. The problem is not all the enthusiasts and the

people that go there from all over the world. The problem is the

absolutely unforgiving people who used to work for Saddam Hussein,

where in his army and his armed forces and who were thrust out when

the Americans invaded, the Americans and the British invaded in 2003.

Those are the people with battle experience, with real experience, of

how to make bombs and where to put them and so on. Isis, without them,

would just be a bunch of amateurs and yes, I mean, I'm not saying that

the problem of Islamist feeling is going to go away, it certainly

won't, but Isis is a phenomenon, controlling large parts of Syria and

Iraq is on its way out. Can you see yourself ever retiring,

or will you do a David Attenborough and go on? The thing about David

Attenborough, he has got all his faculties still. I have got them at

72, whether I shall have them at the age of 90, has David Attenborough

does, who can say? You can't tell. If you had asked me on the morning

that I got ill, would I be fine, I would say, yes, I have another 20

years, and I could have been buried in an unmarked grave that night.

None of us know what is ahead, but yes, I shall carry on working. If

the BBC won't have me, I will find somebody who will. Defiant! Jonathan

says, who'd -- how do you keep a refreshing sense of humour? I have

got a very happy home life, I have a ten-year-old son who is absolutely

wonderful. And a lovely wife who looks after me. We have great fun

together. I always have that to look forward to at the end of every trip.

I am a bit irritated with my kid, because he tweeted yesterday... I

was on one of the great Radio 2 programmes and he said, are you

ready to accept the great Simpson? Not exactly the kind of thing I

would tweet in my own name. He is only ten! If he wants to be 11, he

will have to watch that! Why did you let him on Twitter? He is too clever

to stop! That is a lame excuse! Pauline says, you are a true

gentleman. Dennis says, when the honours lists appear each year,

where our legends like John Simpson? Would you accept an honour? I took a

CBE a long time ago. It took me a long time to think about it and

working it out. 1991, it was just after the first Gulf War. I rang up

Downing Street. I don't like the idea that these are political

things, but anyway, now it is less political. I rang them up and said,

I don't think it is really right, and the lady I spoke to said, you

are in the category of civilians with the equivalent of a military

medal. So I thought, OK. I don't use it. But I am very proud of it. It is

not true to say I don't use it, when I go to flash dinners where

everybody wears loads of medals, I have my CBE around my neck, just to

try to keep up with the Joneses. Thank you very much for talking to

us. John's book, We Chose To Speak

Of War And Strife, is out now. This programme has found that many

people with incurable conditions such as Parkinson's,

MS and dementia are being told by the Department of Work

and Pensions that some of their personal independence

payments are being stopped - And, what's up with the American

rapper Kanye West? According to media reports he's been

rushed to hospital suffering from exhaustion after abruptly

cancelling his US tour. Here's the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. The NHS is considering requiring

patients in England to produce two forms of identification,

including a passport, before they receive some types

of non-emergency treatment. It's an attempt to reduce the cost

to the service of treating patients from abroad,

which currently stands Nigel Farage says he is flattered at

Donald Trump's call for him to be appointed as the British ambassador

to the US. Donald Trump has backed calls

for Nigel Farage to be appointed Britain's ambassador to the US,

saying he would do a "great job". The President-elect said that "many

people" wanted to see the interim Ukip leader as the UK's senior

diplomat in Washington. Downing Street says there is not a

vacancy. Flood warnings are in place, with

more rain forecast today. South-west England, north-west England and

South Wales have been badly affected. Network Rail says the main

line to south-west England has been severed. Scotland has five flood

warnings in the border region. The Turkish Prime Minister has said

the Government is withdrawing a controversial bill which would have

allowed men who had sex with underage girls to have their

convictions quashed if it went on to marry them. It had sparked protests

and had been met with international condemnation. The parliament had

been due to vote on the bill today, but critics said it would legitimise

statute rape and encourage the practice of taking child brides.

New research suggests teenagers drink the equivalent of almost a

bath full of sugary drinks each year. The study found that children

of all ages were consuming too much sugar in drinks, although there had

been an improvement on 2014 figures. Drinks are their main source of

added sugar, and too much can lead to obesity and health problems. In

March the Government promised a tax on sugary drinks in England.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10am.

The latest figures for Government borrowing show a smaller than

expected deficit. What do we mean when we say deficit? If you have an

income of ?1000 and you spend ?1100, you have a deficit, you are out

spending by ?100. It is similar for the Government, almost all the time

they outspend their income on and the public sector as a whole local

Government, the NHS, etc. But these numbers show something relatively

positive, we were expecting them to have to borrow ?6 billion to close

the gap tween its income and spending in October, but it only had

to borrow 4.8 billion. It is better than most were expecting. If you

look at the total amount we have borrowed over time, all of those

deficit added up, it comes to 1.6 trillion, which is a lot of money,

about 84% of the value of the whole economy, on the other hand it is not

quite as much as a proportion of the economy as it was. That has been the

Government goal, to get it coming down as a proportion of the economy.

It is not that they are slashing the debt, it is that the economy is

growing better of people forward. Almost every economic indicator

since the referendum has been far better than the Bank of England or

the Treasury predicted. The Treasury addicted immediate harm to the

economy following the referendum. Although there was a shock in July,

a bit of a pause and people did not buy, it almost immediately caught

up, and now, what disaster? What emergency we looking at? So far it

looks like normality. That may change as the negotiations pan out,

but in the short term we can say that public sector finances, like

most other indicators, are looking relatively healthy. Google talk more

in the next ten minutes or so. Tomorrow it is the Autumn Statement,

the mini budget, full coverage here on BBC News.

Here's Hugh now with the morning sports headlines.

Gareth Southgate will have to wait until next Wednesday to see if he

becomes the new England manager. The decision to make his interview

public has drawn witticism, but Adrian Bevington says it made

perfect sense. This Gareth Southgate makes sense, especially now Jurgen

Klinnsmann has become available? He was interviewed in the summer before

Sam Allardyce was given the job. He is now free to be spoken to, he was

sacked by the United States yesterday.

West Brom are up to ninth in the Premier League, beating Burnley 4-0

last night. The ICC Council has fined the South

African captain Faf du Plessis 100% of his match fee after he was found

guilty of ball tampering during their second Test match against in

Hobart. Australia He is free to play in the third Test match.

That's all for now, back just after 10am.

How is it that thousands of people with incurable

conditions like Parkinson's, MS and dementia are being told

by the Department of Work and Pensions that some

of their personal-independence payments are being stopped

Let me tell you about these conditions.

It develops when cells in a part of the brain stop working properly.

It's "progressive", which means the symptons,

tremors and slowness of movement, will gradually get worse.

Dementia describes a set of symptoms that may include memory loss

and difficulties with thinking, problem-solving or language.

MS, multiple sclerosis, is a neurological condition that

affects the nerves in the brain and spinal cord.

Symptons include fatigue, stumbling, slowed thinking.

This programme has discovered that many of those with these conditions

applying for the mobility element of Personal Independence Payment

are having their awards reduced, sometimes to zero, something that

charities and patient groups have told us should never happen.

The Government says that assessments are carried out by qualified health

professionals, and overall, more people are getting the highest

It took my independence away totally.

I instantly knew that the system is simply broken.

How can they tell me that I'm better than I was?

Hundreds of thousands live with an incurable disease,

Many rely on the state to pay for the extra costs

But this programme has learned that, for many, that support

It's like having a really bad dose of the flu and you can't move

Diane Barrett has lived in South London all her life.

Eight years ago she was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease.

Diane has difficulty walking, but when she's

on the right medication, she can drive short distances.

I did mention to my family that I was a bit worried,

because I'd learned of people losing the mobility part of their

All my family said, "That won't happen to you, because you've

got a debilitating disease that is not going to get any better.

And I was absolutely gobsmacked when the letter came.

There's a lot of paperwork in those!

For seven years, Diane received Disability Living Allowance,

but DLA is slowly being phased out, replaced by the Personal

The idea is to base the amount you get not

just on the disability, but how it affects

The switch means everyone has to be reassessed.

Diane was told her needs had changed and the amount she received

for getting around fell from ?57 a week to zero.

Without the disability allowance, I couldn't have a car,

because I haven't got any extra money.

It took my independence away, totally.

Without a car, there's a little hop-a-bus round here,

but I find it really difficult getting on and off.

And they don't wait for you to sit down,

It made me realise how bad my Parkinson's was.

It's also quite depressing, because with Parkinson's you can get

So, Diane had to give up her old car.

She asked for the decision to be reconsidered, and lost

Six months later, she took it to a full appeal

The tribunal took just ten minutes to decide the Government was wrong.

Because I think we were just so relieved.

He was relieved for me because he knew how it

And I think I was just relieved it was over, really.

And I felt like somebody was listening to me.

The Government will say we are spending much more

as a nation on things like disability benefits.

It has to run these checks to make sure that the right people

But I think, straightaway, when I look at a paper,

they can see if somebody's got Parkinson's, dementia,

To qualify for a car under the Government's mobility scheme,

you have to receive the highest rate of PIP.

It also gives you other rights, a disabled badge and free road tax.

But faced with that growing bill for disability payments,

the Government has been tightening the rules.

Critics say the assessment process is also more demanding.

Freedom-of-information requests for this programme show the effect

this is having on people with incurable conditions.

Under the old DLA scheme, 82% of people with Parkinson's

disease were receiving the full payment.

It's the same basic pattern with other diseases like multiple

The Government says that, overall, more people receive the highest rate

of support under PIP, and more people with MS,

osteoarthritis and Parkinson's are receiving the highest-possible

That wouldn't include the mobility allowance.

People who lose a car can get extra help to buy their old vehicle

outright, though that is paid for by charity rather

At Parkinson's UK, they have now set up a dedicated team to deal

The charity says people with a degenerative disease already

on the highest level of support should not

have their needs constantly reassessed.

The experience of going to an assessment is extremely stressful.

People with Parkinson's go to so much trouble to appear well,

and take their medication and get up so early in the morning to get

And then because they appear well on that day, the assessor often

says, "Well, you don't look ill, you don't need that

The latest figures show the numbers appealing a decision are ballooning.

There are now more than 6,000 full tribunals every month.

A large proportion, 65%, have their decision overturned

It's shocking, frankly, that two in every three PIP decisions that

It's great that those decisions are then overturned and people

are getting the levels of support they need, but we shouldn't be

in a position where people have to rely on the appeals process

to get that support in the first place.

People should be able to expect that the first decision that they

The Government says PIP assessments are carried out by qualified

Decisions are made following consideration of all the information

provided by the claimant, including supporting

We first met Wendy Mitchell last year when she appeared in a film

And that was when something hit me that it wasn't quite right.

My life has changed, simply from the fact

I probably was able simply to talk about anything and everything,

She was one of the first to be moved straight onto PIP

Under the current system, she still has to be

When her latest decision came through, she was told her needs had

changed, and her entire benefits would be cut from ?77

It enables you to continue to live independently.

That's the whole purpose of the benefit itself.

It enables you to continue to live in your own home.

Official statistics show that, overall, under PIP, more people

with dementia do now appear to be receiving

But critics say that's not the full story.

The Alzheimer's Society says it's received at least 250 calls

from people having problems with the benefit over

I don't remember the content of the interview, but I remember

feeling that I wasn't there very long, and the person didn't ask me

many questions to help me remember what I was supposed to be saying.

So, did you feel that they had an understanding

of your condition at the end of it?

I felt that they totally lacked any knowledge of dementia whatsoever.

And then I got the shocking letter that told me that I was no longer

And a list of all the things that I was apparently better

I wish I was better, who wouldn't when they've got dementia?

When you received that letter, what went through your head,

Oh, well, it just makes you feel so demoralised.

I instantly knew that the system is simply broken, because how can

they tell me that I'm better than I was, when I've deteriorated?

Since we filmed, Wendy has lost her first review of her PIP

decision, and has decided a full appeal at tribunal

A group of charities is now calling for ministers to scrap unnecessary

repeated reassessments for people living with diseases

The Government says the PIP system is better than the one it replaced,

and overall is spending more on disability benefits every year.

We asked the Department for Work and Pensions

for an interview and, you guessed it, they said no.

But in a statement told us, "PIP assessments are carried out

by qualified health professionals who combine their clinical knowledge

with an understanding of the fact that not everyone with the same

disability is impacted in the same way.

Decisions are made following consideration of all the information

provided by the claimant, including supporting evidence

from their GP or medical specialist."

If you've been affected, do get in touch.

We are going to talk to a Conservative MP at 10.45pm. The

Electoral Commission say they are opening an investigation into Ukip's

finances amid allegations the party misspent European Union money. So an

investigation is going to be opened into Ukip's finances by the

Electoral Commission. The allegation is that Ukip misspent European Union

money. Donald Trump has said that he thinks that the current Ukip leader,

Nigel Farage, should become Britain's next ambassador to the

United States. Well, in the last minute, Nigel Farage tweeted this,

"I have known several of the Trump team for years and I'm in a good

position with the president-elect's support team to help."

The Philip Hammond will set out more details about the public finance ins

his Autumn Statement tomorrow. So what do the latest figures mean for

us? Mean for you? What do they tell us about the state of the nation's

finances in a post Brexit world? Here to talk in plain, simple

language are Professor Anand Menon, who is Director of the UK

in a Changing Europe initiative - Hello, both of you. Good morning.

OK, what is the state of the British economy? Bearing in mind the latest

figures? Well, latest figures are better than the economists

predicted. What we can say about Brexit is less certain. It hasn't

happened yet. There is a massive amount of uncertainty around. We

haven't left the single market and trade hasn't dipped. It is too early

to draw any conclusions, but so far, so good. Would agree with that? I

would. It is due to the fact that the Bank of England has lowered

interest rates further and that, of course, it gave a lot of liquidity

back into the market to help the banks and to help business to

continue to operate and borrow and therefore, invest. The con somer has

taken huge benefit from that, very low interest rates and low mortgage

rates having encouraged the take-up of borrowing and consumer spending

has been high and that's what kept the economy going. So it wouldn't be

fair then to say the Treasury warned of imminent danger if there was to

be a leave vote and they were wrong because you say they've, the Bank of

England and others have tried to ameliorate the situation? What would

have happened if there was no intervention at all? What is going

to happen tomorrow with Philip Hammond is he is going to make sure

that he does enough to reassure businesses that in fact he would be

behind them if you like to encourage investment which is very, very

important for the economy. He can't do a lot because his fins even

though better in the last month are actually still worse over the year

or will be worse over the year than he was anticipating and will

continue to be worse because the economy won't grow as fast as it did

before and he will give those forecasts backing what he is going

to be do from the office of budget responsibility which will show that

slowdown will impact on his finances. So he will be careful in

what he does. He will give a little bit there and a little bit there.

More infrastructure and may help businesses a bit, but he will wait

and see what happens to the economy over the next few months and maybe

he will do something more fundamental. Should people expect

after Christmas, I've interviewed various businesses, who say after

Christmas they will have to put their prices up because of the level

of sterling and importing bits and bobs have made their businesses more

expensive? They are going to have to put their prices up because they're

paying 20% more. Prices will go up. The flip side is that businesses

that export might do better because their goods are cheaper. Of course,

next year, at sometime we expect the Prime Minister to trigger Article 50

and then the real show starts because then we get some idea about

the impact on trade is going to be. At the moment we don't know. My

sense is a lot of businesses are holding fire to wait and see which

is why things are continuing as normal. We don't know what will

happen because we don't know what Brexit will mean. OK. Thank you

both. Thank you very much. Kanye West has been admitted

to hospital for exhaustion, a day after cancelling his tour

and this outburst over the weekend. Because I heard that you said

you wouldn't perform unless you won Video of the Year over me,

and over Hotline Bling. Now don't go trying

to diss me, I said. But sometimes we be playing

the politics too much Right now, press, get ready

to write your passive aggressive, Get ready to have a

field day for this. Get ready, get ready -

because the show's over. Radio 1 Newsbeat's reporter

Sinead Garvan can tell us more. What's going on? A man has been

hospitalised. That's what LA PD Police told the BBC and it is widely

assumed to be Kanye West. Varying reports around the States about what

it is. I think the overall opinion it is to do with exhaustion. His

morm spoke last night saying that he is very tired from the tour and if

you look at everything that happened with the family, with Kim

Kardashian's robbery and he is having problems with Jay Z and

Beyonce. He talked about debt problems in the past. A lot of his

friends say he is a man who doesn't sleep very much. He will stay up for

48 hours at a time. So it seems that's probably the most likely

thing that he has got to a point where everything has got on top of

him and that's why he has been taken into hospital. A bit of burn-out

perhaps. Yes. We will bring you the news and sport

shortly, but here is the weather with Carol. What a lot of weather

there has been, my goodness. There has. You can see how much rain we've

in the last 12 hours or so. A lot pushing up across the north of

England and into southern and Eastern Scotland and a lot of

showers following on behind. All of this came on top of Storm Angus

which went through on Sunday. Another area of low pressure formed

and that brought in the wet and the windy conditions we had. But today,

it is a little bit quieter. We have got weather pictures. This is Devon.

A beautiful start to the day. It doesn't mean it will stay dry all

day. There are showers around. And this is another one. Look at this.

Somerset. There was a lot of rain and some flooding in Somerset. This

is actually a field as you can tell with the grass sticking out of it.

So a lot of rain and another one I want to show you is further east.

This is in Surrey. Again, in Cobham. It has been so wet. After today,

things tend to settle down. That's good news. So you weren't affected

by t were you? No. No, thank goodness. There is a lot of surface

water and spray on the roads. Yesterday when I was driving home it

was scary, because I passed a lorry and there was water everywhere.

Today, still showers to come. So I will just get on with the forecast.

Showers around today. It will be wet and it will be windy for a time. And

again, today, it is showers that we're looking at. Some of them

merging to give longer spells of rain. As they travel behind this

area of low pressure some will merge. So the south of the country

seeing some breaks in the cloud. Will see maybe sunshine coming

through across East Anglia, Kent, Essex and Kent and possibly the

London area, but we're not immune to showers. It is further north and

west where we will see the lion's share of the sunshine across Western

Scotland and also into Northern Ireland. Temperatures here, seven or

eight Celsius. Further south, milder at 11 or 12 Celsius. Windy around

the coasts and as we head on through the evening and overnight, there

goes the low pressure heading off to Scandinavia. Behind it, high

pressure starts to build in. So things quieten down. There will be a

lot of cloud across England and Wales. One or two breaks will allow

fog patches to form in Southern England and maybe the Midlands and

parts of Wales and we've got clearer skies across Scotland and Northern

Ireland. So not only will it be a cold night, temperatures in Braemar,

that area in the Highlands dropping to minus ten Celsius. We will have

freezing fog. The freezing fog will be slow to lift tomorrow morning and

it will really hold the temperature down, if it lingers for much of the

day, but for Scotland and Northern Ireland and then later Northern

England we will see a fair bit of sunshine. For the rest of England

and Wales, variable amounts of cloud, some holes being punched in

that through the day so some of us will see some sunshine, but still a

few showers. The winds will strengthen again, across the English

Channel, affecting the Channel Islands and later we will have

coastal gales off the coastlines of Devon and Cornwall. Temperatures

tomorrow, well nothing to write home about. If you are stuck under the

fog, that's what this two represents, but as we come further

south, we are looking at nines, tens and 11s. A look at overnight and

into Wednesday morning. It will be wet and windy. High pressure

establishes itself over the UK so we see more settled conditions. Mostly

dry and cold by night and cold by day.

Hello, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

Thousands of people with the generative diseases are getting

their benefits cut because they are told they are getting better.

Straightaway, when they look at their paper, they can see if

somebody has Parkinson's disease, dementia, MS. You are not going to

get over it, it is going to get worse.

We will hear from more people affected. If it has happened to you,

get in touch. Last week we spoke exclusively to

the former professional footballer Andy Woodward, who revealed how his

formative coach accused him for years.

The impact it's had on my life is just catastrophic,

and you live with that all your life, and you can't put it

Since that interview, six people have come forward to say they also

have been abused. We will talk to him again shortly.

And, competitive gaming is growing massively in popularity, so why at

the biggest gaming awards last night did not a single woman win one?

There is a perception that men are biologically crime -- primed for it,

that men are better at competitive games, therefore they are more

visible in the industry. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. The NHS is looking at

whether patients across England should have to produce two forms

of ID before receiving Its most-senior official says

it is considering identity checks in an effort to tackle the rise

in so-called health tourism, when foreigners come to the UK

to receive free medical treatment. Nigel Farage has said he's "very

flattered" by Donald Trump's call for him to be appointed Britain's

ambassador to the US. The President-elect said he would do

a "great job" and that "many people" wanted to see the interim Ukip

leader as the UK's senior The suggestion was quickly rebuffed

by Downing Street, which says The UK's election watchdog has

announced it has opened an investigation into Ukip's finances,

following allegations that the party misspent money it received from the

EU by the European Parliament to regroup it is affiliated to. It is

claimed they use the funds on its campaigns in the general election

and the Brexit referendum. The electoral commission is looking at

whether there was a breach of UK election law.

The amount the Government has to borrow to plug the gap between its

income and its spending shrank in October, 24 8p, down by a quarter

compared with the same month a year ago the figures were better than

most economists had expected. What these numbers show is something

relatively positive, we were expecting the Government to have to

borrow ?6 billion to close the gap between its income and spending in

October, in the end it only had to borrow 4.8 billion, so it is better

than most were expecting. If you look at the total amount we have

borrowed over time, all of those deficit added up, it comes to 1.6

trillion, urges a lot of money, that is about 84% of the whole economy,

or on the other hand, it is not quite as much as a proportion of the

economy as it was. That has been the Government goal, to have the debt

coming down as a proportion of the economy. It is not that they are

slashing the debt, it is more that the economy is growing better than

people thought. Thousands with in curable conditions

are being told by the Government that some of their benefits have

been stopped because they are getting better. We have discovered

that many are applying for the mobility element of PIP and having

their awards refused, sometimes to zero. The Government says more

people are getting the highest level of support.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10:30am.

Gareth Southgate is going to have to wait until next Wednesday to see

Former England striker Chris Sutton called the interview a "slap

Adrian Bevington, who used to be an FA executive,

told the BBC it made "perfect sense" to make the meeting

public and that it didn't overcomplicate the process.

One thing that could complicate the process is the sacking

of Jurgen Klinsmann as USA head coach.

It was reported back in July that the former Spurs and Germany

star was one of those interviewed as a potential successor

There was one game in the Premier League,

and a bit of a surprising result, as West Brom beat Burnley

4-0 at the Hawthorns, thanks largely to a first-half

scoring blitz, with Matty Philips, this from James Morrison

and a Darren Fletcher tap-in putting Albion three up at half-time.

Striker Salomon Rondon rounded off the scoring in the second half

as Tony Pulis' side move into the top half of the table.

That's back-to-back wins for them as well, so good news

You know, to score four goals, it's been a dreadful day today,

and to get the supporters out, I thank the supporters for coming

tonight, because they could have easily sat in and watched it on TV.

So they deserve a lot of credit, and I'm just so pleased that we've

put a performance in and scored four goals for them, really.

The International Cricket Council has fined South Africa captain Faf

du Plessis 100% of his match fee after been found guilty of ball

tampering during the second Test against Australia in Hobart,

but is free to play in the third Test.

It is not often not members of Barcelona's team are starstruck, but

they may just have happened yesterday when they were paid a

visit by one of pop's the guest stars, I am talking about Justin

Bieber, with Neymar, at their training ground. The Canadian is due

to perform in Barcelona today, he took time out and showed off some of

his skills on the pitch. The Brazilian star posted afterwards, it

was impossible to dribble past this defender, with a picture of him.

That is all the sport for now, we are back with more just after

10:30am. Nigel Farage has written an article

for a right-wing news website, the editor in chief of which has just

been appointed chief strategist by Donald Trump. This is what he says.

He is responding to the fact that Donald Trump has tweeted that Nigel

Farage will be a great ambassador to the United States. Nigel Farage

says, nothing could have paid me for what came next, like adult from the

blue, Donald Trump tweeted I would do a great job of the UK's

ambassador to Washington. I can scarcely believe he did that, though

speaking to a couple of his friends, perhaps I am less surprised, they

all say that he is loyal and supports those that stand by him. It

is called trust, it is how the world of business operates. The cesspit of

his career politics understands nothing of this. The concept of

trust is transitory. He goes on to say, at every stage I am greeted by

negative comments from Downing Street, the dislike of me, Ukip and

the referendum result is more important to them than what could be

good for our country. I have known several of his team for years, I am

in a good position with his support to help. The world has changed, and

it is time that Downing Street did as well. The words of Nigel Farage

on the right wing news website. Last week, we exclusively spoke

to ex-Crewe Alexandra player Andy Woodward,

who told us in his first broadcast interview he'd been raped hundreds

of times by a former youth coach. Any person that has suffered abuse

and rape, etc, will hopefully understand where I come from when I

say this. The impact it has had on my life is just catastrophic. You

live with that all your life. I cannot put it into words what that

has done to me. But other people out there will understand what it does

to you. Everybody always says, how do you cope with it? We survive, and

that is it. Andy Woodward told us he'd

waived his right to anonymity and was speaking out to try and urge

others to come forward. Since that interview,

six other people have come forward. You have spoken to them all, what

have they said? I have been inundated with not only the six

people that I have spoken to directly, but also messages from

other players who have told me that... So many stories,

heartbreaking, I have been so emotional. They are harrowing

stories. They have reached out to me and thanked me so much for coming

out originally. It has given faith. You have spoken to six, but other

contact via Twitter. In total, how many people have got in touch with

you since to interview? There has been several people that have

contacted me. I cannot put a number on it. They vary in what they have

said. They all footballers? Yes, ex-footballers. Did they say that

they found the courage to speak out because you had? Absolutely, that is

what they have said. The colours of what I have said, it has given them

coverage -- courage and belief. Cheshire police are investigating.

Is this the tip of the iceberg's I have said it all along, it is. But

it will take them a long time. People to come out and speak, there

is no rush, the police have started their investigation, and I don't

want to put pressure on anybody. I came out with a long view, for other

people to survive from this, and I cannot thank the public enough for

what they have done. It is brilliant, I can't thank them for

their support they have given me. Have you had any contact with Crewe

Alexandra since the revelations? No contact from them whatsoever. I was

very disappointed with the replies that have come out. That is an

understatement, disappointed. It may be really sad. Why did you think

they are saying nothing? I don't know, somebody would have to ask

them that I have no idea. Why has it upset you so much? I came out with

such a story, it has taken me so much coverage, and it has taken so

much longer for them to come back with any reply. I did not expect any

sort of long things, but just an appreciation for what I went through

there. I have a statement from Cheshire police, they say, we are in

the process of making contact with six people and no one else is under

investigation at this stage. We take all reports of sexual offences to be

seriously and have specialist trained officers to provide advice

support. We urge anybody who has been a victim, no matter how long

ago, to contact the police on 101. If there are other players, former

players, young football players, who could be experiencing this, what

would you say to them? All I would say is I am an example, I just one

of many, I with you all the way. I just hope that one day you feel the

courage and the bravery that I have been told I have had, I don't see it

like that, I Jesse White can help people, but one day you will pluck

up the courage to come forward, because I know there are several

more. There are loads of people out there, and it is not just Crewe

Alexandra. That man was at other football clubs, including Manchester

City. I am aware of people going back in history that have suffered

all their lives because of this. This is not just because of Crewe

Alexandra, these other clubs that were involved, with that man, who

went round thinking that he could take people's lives and strip them.

You are speaking of the man who was jailed in the late 90s after

pleading guilty to offences against boys. That is correct. I am aware, I

have spoken to people at Manchester city who have made comments about

that man and what he did and lucky escape that people have had. It is

devastating. I will not stop now. I want this to good to knew. That is

why I am trying to generate as much support from people, because people

are suffering out there. You have done a remarkable thing, thank you

for talking to as again. Just one thing. I just want to send a message

to my family, who have all been absolutely fantastic. And my dad,

who has motor neurone disease, and will be watching this, so thanks,

dad. A right-wing journalist has been

barred from speaking at his old school after the Government's

counter extremism unit intervened. We will talk to some of the students

at the school. NHS patients in England could be

required to show two types of identification,

including their passports, before getting some types

of non-emergency treatment, It's part of an attempt to crack

down on so-called health tourism. Labour said it will oppose the move

being rolled across England and Wales saying that NHS staff are not

border guards. A senior civil servant

at the Department of Health called Chris Wormald told MPs

that it was a controversial move but already happened

in some NHS trusts. We have some trusts which are asking

for two forms of ID before treatment. That's obviously a

controversial thing to do, but in terms of how do you get those

numbers up? Those are the kinds of things we will look at. The general

question of are we looking at whether trusts should proactively

ask people to prove identity, yes, we are looking at that. As I say we

know individual trusts like Peterborough who are doing that and

who are reporting it makes a big difference and they are saying

please come with two forms of identity and they use that to check

whether people are eligible or not. It is obviously a controversial

thing to do to say to the entire population that you have to prove

identity. So, how much does health tourism

actually cost the NHS? Nick Triggle is our

health correspondent. It foreigners come to go Britain or

foreigners who already live in Britain or what? It is overseas

nationals being treated by the NHS. Now that costs an estimated ?2

billion a year, but what the Government is focussing on and what

the Government is talking about today is routine hospital care

because A care and GP services are provided free. They are focussing on

routine hospital stuff, maternity services, scans, knee and hip

operations. OK. The Government have set a target for recouping ?500

million by next year, but already the NHS is behind schedule so they

are looking at new ways to help hospitals identify the status of

patients. So, when you say recouping, you mean somebody gives

in their passport, you go, you're from South Africa, therefore, we

will recoup the money from your Government, is that what it means?

Well, so there is three things hospitals are looking for. Of

course, firstly, if they are a British national, free treatment. If

they are from much of Europe and there are a few other countries

where there is an agreement, the hospital then starts a process to

charge that patient's Government. However, if they are from outside of

Europe, where there aren't the agreements, the patient is charged.

There is a third thing they are looking for and that's whether last

year, a surcharge was brought on and students were charged ?150 during

the visa applications and other people charged ?250 of the that's

what hospitals are looking for. If they haven't paid that surcharge

when they applied for their visa and they don't get the treatment or

what? If they are looking at urgent treatment, the hospital will treat

them and then look to recoup it. In Peterborough, either you pay it or

you don't get the routine treatment. We can also speak to Meirion Thomas,

former consultant surgeon at the Royal Marsden Hospital in

London. And Meg Hillier, who chairs the

Commons Public Accounts Committee. What do you think about this? I

think it is an excellent idea, I suggested this in a letter to the

Department of Health in August 2015 and I spoke again to senior members

at the Department of Health in January 2016. Why is it an excellent

idea? It is an excellent idea because the concept is that the NHS

is free at the point of use, but it is, of course, only for eligible

patients and I think it is a minimum infringement to people's rights when

they attend for their first hospital appointment just to produce their

passport or utility bill, driving licence, just to prove that they are

eligible for free NHS care. Can I make the point? The whole, this

mornings the BBC have been saying this is, health tourism is costing

?500 million. That's not right. It is ?2 billion, Nick just said that.

It is ?2 billion. The Department of Health are hoping to recover ?500

million. Even if they recover that, they are ?1250 million short by next

year, that's what the National Audit Office said, even if they recovered

that, they are ?1.5 million that the British taxpayer is still funding

and subsidising. The Department of Health have really not got to grips

with this problem. Meg Hillier, talk to Professor Thomas who thinks it is

an excellent idea. It is a minimum infringement just to show your

passport. The challenge is how you get a system in place that quite

rightly and quite fairly gets people to pay who should be paying. I agre

with the professor that people shouldn't be coming here and getting

free treatment. If you are saying a passport for everybody, not only

everybody has a passport. Only 85% of the population does and a British

passport does not prove that you are entitled to healthcare. The

Government has set a target for getting some of the money back for

the taxpayer, but it set that three years ago and it never set-up a

system and because we have a system free at point of delivery, unlike

other countries where it is insurance based it is complicated to

do that. The Government has got to get a grip... In principle, it

sounds like you're saying, this is a good idea? Well, look, it is a good

idea to make people who should pay, pay. But I don't think that the

proposal of showing a passport really necessarily proves anything.

What do you suggest? This is go Wye the Government has to get to grip

with it. What is good practise where trusts are getting the money in with

minimal intrusion to the patient. How are they doing that? That's what

we got out of yesterday. Very little. Three years ago the target

was set and there is no clear system in place, so you have got individual

hospitals setting up their system and some working better than others,

but no real magic way of making sure that overseas citizens pay and you

are not at the same time denying British citizens access and that's

the key thing. If you're British, you are entitled, you are resident

you may not have a utility bill. What happens to them? You have got

to really make sure you think carefully before rushing into a

system like this. Professor Thomas? I submitted a 3,000 document to your

committee and I did ask if I could appear? Not enough time, professor.

It is a minimal infridgement, just because people don't have a passport

or driving licence, they will have a utility bill. There are plenty of

people who are living abroad who have got foreign passports, but they

are resident this this country. Our NHS system is free access to the NHS

is dependant on residency, not nationality. A utility bill is what

it comes down to or something similar. I can't see why you object

to that. Everybody has got a utility bill. I am a constituency MP in

Central London. Many of my constituents don't often because

they are young and live at home still with their parents or older

people, people my age never lived independently because they can't

afford to. I don't think we're disagreeing that people who should

pay, who are foreign nationals who come here as visitors or whatever

and don't qualify should certainly pay and there needs to be a question

asked when they are this hospital, there needs to be a mechanism for

getting that back. One of the things I would say as well, a lot of

hospitals charge people, but getting the money in isn't working. So the

Government has got to look at that if they are going to make sure

people pay, it is no good sending a bill to someone after they have gone

back to their country. Figures show that doesn't turn up. Invoices

raised only 16% are honoured. But there is so much at stake. There is

?1.5 billion at stake. We are talking about 2% of the NHS budget.

So saying that, you're not going to allow people, it is an infringement

to ask people to show identification. I think that foreign

nationals should pay and there needs to be a system in place, but we need

to make sure the system works and it is cost effective at the time of

asking for any identification or whatever, but that it doesn't cut

out other people. There just needs to be more thought into the process.

And just not a free-for-all. I used to be the ID cards minister and

passport minister so I have thought about it a lot as well. So there are

real challenges about how we prove identity. The definition of a health

tourist is someone who comes to this country with a preexisting illness

and the purpose of their visit is to access free NHS care. These people

have no intention of paying. There is no point in trying to establish

the system to make them may for efficiently. What's really clear is

when people with the visa and the student precharge, the health charge

that's put on when you get a visa, no one asked the question, do you

have a preexisting health condition? It would be reasonable to introduce

that. But there is no discussion really about that happening at this

stage and that would make a lot of sense and pick up the actual real

health tourists who come with a condition thinking they're going to

get it treated for free right before they arrive and that would be a good

important step. This is from Paula. I worked at Lewisham Hospital. I had

to get treatment over a period of time and this involved regular x-ray

treatments while in the waiting room, at least half of the people

were not residents in the UK, they were accompanied by their

grandchildren who spoke to the receptionist. While talking to one

young lad, he told me he was with his grandparents to came here to get

treatment for various ailments. Alan says, "What about those who will

never have passports?" You don't want to get obsessed with the

passport issue. Thank you both. Thank you very much for coming on

the programme. Gaming is a huge, huge

industry for the UK. It's estimated to be worth around

?4.2 billion and, in fact, Competitive gaming known as e-sports

is growing massively in popularity. Thousands of people

pack out Wembley Arena So why, at the biggest

gaming awards last night, No women were nominated in any

of the gaming categories either and now some professional female

players are speaking out about what they feel

is a culture of sexism. Our reporter Chi Chi Izundu

was at the awards. It is one of the highlights of the

year in the E sports community, but there was one big thing missing when

it came to the nominations and winners of gaming categories. Women.

Effectively you've got the Rory McIlroy, the Cristiano Ronaldo of

e-sports in the room tonight and people need to start respecting

their ability level. Martin works at G-Finity a company

behind a number of tournaments around the world. The tournaments

are just one of the ways gamers can make some money, but you won't find

many women at the top ones. In fact you are more likely to find them

battling at women-only events. Women in e-sports is a very rich subject

and it is a very emotive subject and a lot more needs to be done to

ensure if not only the perception changes that actually there is more

participation opportunities. Women-only teams are a way around

the lack of female competitors a the top. Team Secrets became the top

female team in the world. There are no physical gownedries or gender

boundaries, it is only if you're good enough at the Games. As long as

you're good enough, you're good enough. More women should be

involved. More women should want to be involved. More girls should talk

about e-sports and just get stuck in. So is it as simple as women

aren't good enough to be nominated? There were examples of females in

e-sports at the top level. There is Scarlett a Starcraft player who

earned over 160,000 inside tournament prize winnings. Not

wanting to put words into your mouth, women aren't good enough at

this particular point in time? If you want to sort of generalise then

no. But there are women who are good enough, but there aren't enough of

them to choose from. E-sports isn't on the same level as other major

league sports, but it is a growing industry. They don't have that many

events in their calendar year. Around 40,000 people though have

been known to pack out venues just to watch a tournament live with

millions tuning in online. Audience wise, it's around 82% men. There are

calls though to try and get more girls in the grass-roots of the

industry to change that and gamer numbers.

We need for visibility given to women who are already in the

industry who are doing really good work. People who are working as

journalists or streamers or casters or professional players who don't

have the same time in the spotlight who aren't given the same financial

resources, who aren't offered the same sponsorship deals or platforms

to becoming an influential member of the e-sports industry especially as

so much of your success is dependant on being embraced by the grass-roots

community and a lot of that is facilitated by the amount of

visibility that you have on various digital platforms and women don't

get those resources in the same amount that men do, unfortunately.

Let's talk to Charleyy Hodson, who is a former gamer and now writes

about it Josh Nino De Guzman, Director of Dexerto.com,

a gaming website Melonie Mac who is a Professional Online Gamer.

Welcome all of you. Is this a big deal, sn Yes. I think it can be a

very big deal. Women deserve fair representation in everything in the

entire world really. I think it's tough from the outside to understand

why no women were nominated let alone that they didn't win. In that

report Team Secret are one of the top female teams. They won four

major tournaments this year, so they're there, but the question is,

I don't like the wording, "Where they as good as the men?" There is a

question to why the top women's team in the world wasn't classified or

mentioned at the awards. Some people think female gamers

cannot be as good as men? There is no data to prove that. Any data from

the past is perpetuating stereotypes. There is not as much of

a crisis as people think. Traditional media are putting a

negative spin on it. Including us. One of the judges was involved in

the process, the woman, so it is not as though they are a complete

anomaly. Fewer females compete, so there is a smaller pool of talent.

Men are better represented. The way Jost describes it, is that right,

there are fewer female gamers? There are more female gamers playing

games. It is 50-50. But this is a splinter of that. What is tougher

than a lot of females is that the community can be toxic, and so the

accessibility, putting yourself out there, it can be intimidating for a

lot of girls. All of the trolls and stuff like that make it difficult.

The more that we have accessible female leagues, that makes it easier

for a lot of the girls who would be intimidated to jump in, and from

there get the confidence to jump into the regularly. Is that systemic

sexism, not unique to one particular brands? I don't think this, a lot of

people do. I can see that point, but as a whole, I just think that a lot

of girls that I talked to who are really good at games and who I would

encourage to compete, they are just like, it is intimidating because

people are mean, and the environment makes it difficult. What kind of

comments are toxic? A lot of general sexist comments, inappropriate

comments about showing parts of your body, people suggesting that you do

that, all kinds of inappropriate, uncomfortable things. People online

are mean to everyone. You would not say it in person. Women are

chastised whether they are dressed regularly or whether they are using

their assets. As a whole, it is mail bomber noted. -- dominated by men. I

stream video games. Almost the entire audience is mail, there is a

much smaller fraction of female viewers. I can see how it is

intimidating for girls. I deal with the comments, it is fine, I don't

let it bring me down, but a lot of girls are not used to that, they

have not put themselves in that situation. It would be nice if they

had more accessible female leagues that they could join and feel

comfortable, and from there get it to the men's. You have to understand

the point from some of the guys, especially some of those who protest

against misogyny, there is no segregation in tournaments, so the

overall prize pool available to women is higher, if they are female

only leagues. That is a good point. There is no clear answer, the

perfect way. But I feel that in order to get more of a female

presence, something like that would help. I do agree. The question comes

down to, with the boards or things on how people are registered and

find each other, on YouTube, all women being fairly represented as a

majority of people, our mail channels being represented, and when

it comes to the awards, the report said it is difficult to find female

players, but it is not that difficult, because there are women

out there. Melanie is there. It is a question of whether they look to

find women to go in there. You can find out more on the BBC

News website, in the 100 Women series.

People with in curable diseases are losing part or all of their benefits

after being reassessed. And, Ukip's leader has welcomed

Donald Trump's suggestion that he would do a great job as Britain's

ambassador to the US, despite their getting no vacancy. We will get the

reaction here. Here's the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. The NHS is considering requiring

patients in England to produce two forms of identification,

including a passport, before they receive some types

of non-emergency treatment. It's an attempt to reduce the cost

to the service of treating patients from abroad,

which currently stands Labour will oppose the move, they

say NHS staff not border guards. A spokesman from the BMA says puzzles

go far. Nigel Farage has said he is in a

good position to help the law -- help after Donald Trump's call for

him to be British ambassador to the US. He said many people wanted him

to be the UK's senior diplomat in Washington. Downing Street has made

clear there is not a vacancy. The amount that the Government has

to borrow to plug the gap between its income and spending shrank in

October to ?4.8 billion, down by a quarter prepared with the same month

a year ago. The figures from the ONS were better than most economists had

predicted. According to reports

in the US media, Kanye West has been hospitalised,

suffering from exhaustion. The news comes after the musician

abruptly cancelled the remainder of his live tour following a week

of no-shows, curtailed concerts Join me for BBC

Newsroom Live at 11am. I have had this e-mail from Keith,

it is quite long. I have been fighting the Department for Work and

Pensions for nearly two years without any payments, because I

cannot get to my health assessment. Even though I have the right

letters, the medical certificates, severe problems with my feet, which

have left me unable to walk, and I cannot get out of the house, due to

mental health problems. I have the MP on the case, but I have had no

luck. I don't have family and friends live in other areas, social

services have turned me down. I wish I could be sent to Europe so I could

be euthanised. You would not treat a dog like I have been treated. I I'm

in debt, the council want to evict me because of the arrears, I have a

carer, but she has to go home to Canada, because of a family

emergency. I had not eaten since Saturday until yesterday. I had wet

the bed and been in this state since Saturday. The DWP say I am fit to

work. Organisations in South Yorkshire have failed me. I am

desperate, I just want to end my life. We will talk to a Conservative

MP in the next half an hour about the fact that so many people with

deteriorating conditions are being refused the mobility part of their

personal independence payment, so stay with us for that.

Here's Hugh now with the morning sports headlines.

Gareth Southgate is going to have to wait until next Wednesday to see

The decision to make his interview yesterday public has

But former FA executive Adrian Bevington says it

But does Southgate make perfect sense, especially now

It's reported he was interviewed in the summer before

He's now available, having been sacked by the United States.

West Brom are up to ninth in the Premier League table.

They beat Burnley 4-0 in the Premier League last night.

The International Cricket Council has fined South Africa captain Faf

du Plessis 100% of his match fee after being found guilty of ball

tampering during the second Test against Australia in Hobart,

but is free to play in the third Test.

I will be back with more through the day on BBC News.

I think it's fair to say that Downing Street are less than pleased

with President-elect Donald Trump's suggestion that the current Ukip

leader Nigel Farage would do a great job as British ambassador to the US.

That is the last thing that number ten want in any circumstances. I

suspect their jaws hit the floor when Donald Trump came out with this

idea in a random tweet. Here it is. What does he say?

You know the moth that was flapping around Theresa May yesterday at the

CBI? Nigel Farage is a bit like that. She is trying to get rid of

him, but he keeps coming back. This morning, number ten had to think,

how do we respond to this? Who do have the president of the knighted

States, you don't want to annoy him, because he is trying to build good

relations, but you have got to rebuff and killed this idea. If you

don't, there will be political uproar, it will cause turmoil in the

Tory party, half the diplomatic corps will say, pack my bags, I will

not carry on with this if Nigel Farage will get the top job. They

had to kill the idea. They said in a very brief statement, there is no

vacancy, a line reiterated by the Brexit secretary David Davis, who

was over in Strasbourg this morning. Look at the smile on his face as he

was asked about the question. Do you think a President-elect

in the United States has any role in suggesting who a British

ambassador should be? We are believers in free speech,

but we have a good ambassador, People can say what they like,

the truth is there is no vacancy. The ambassador is very good,

as we have seen already, I love the grim smile, they are

dreading questions about this. As the Nigel Farage, I spoke to him

this morning. He says that when he was in trouble tower the other day,

you remember the picture of him and Donald Trump, no mention of this at

all. He had a few more observations in an article this morning. He said,

nothing could have prepared me. Donald Trump tweeted out I would do

a great job of the UK's ambassador to Washington. His view is that

everything has changed, with Brexit and more trump's victory, and

because he has good relations with Donald Trump, Theresa May ought to

take advantage of it. There was support from some of his former

colleagues, Steven Woolfe, the former Ukip leadership contender, he

expressed his support for the idea. I think Donald Trump has got his own

views on how he has a relationship with Britain, he gets on well with

Nigel Farage, whether Nigel would make a good ambassador would be up

to the Government being able to decide whether he could carry out

Government policy. I don't know, things are in a changing world.

Where does this leave us? It leaves Nigel Farage feeling pretty

cock-a-hoop. I suspect it leaves Britain's ambassador in the US

feeling a bit awkward, when he now has to deal with Donald Trump. For

Downing Street, they will be thinking, when we hear no more of

Nigel Farage? One of Donald Trump's biggest

supporters, the right-wing journalist Milo Yiannopoulos,

has been barred from speaking at his former

grammar school in Kent. Simon Langton Grammar School

For Boys has cancelled the address to sixth-formers due to take place

today after being contacted by the Department for

Education's Counter-Extremism Unit. Mr Yiannopoulos is a senior editor

for Breitbart, the American Well, now we can talk to three

students from Simon Langton Grammar, Joining us from our studio

in Tunbridge Wells in Alex Leney, who disagrees with the decision

to ban Milo from speaking, and in Canterbury we have

Frank Roche, also a student, who thinks it was right that Milo

was banned from giving his speech. We also have a student who was due

to attend the talk and thinks he should have been given chance to

talk. Why were so many people in favour of this? Most people at the

school had a general disagreement with him, and were not necessarily

just going because they agreed with him, they just wanted to hear his

ideas put out there, so they could be challenged and because the school

has such a great tradition of bringing guest speakers of all

varieties, to challenge students and to be challenged by students. Do you

know who contacted the counter extremism unit? I don't. Did you

know why? Note. Milo is an extreme figure. His views don't deserve to

be given a platform, he should not have been invited in the first

place. Whether it was right to cancel it now, I don't know, but he

should not have been invited. Why do you say that he should not have been

invited because his views are extreme? To give him a platform is

to give him legitimacy, it say his views deserve to be debated. He says

that transgender people are mentally ill, he equates feminism with

cancer, he suggested that Jewish people control the world. These are

not opinions, these are vile expressions. They should not be

aired anywhere, it is not about the students at this school, it is about