25/11/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello it's Friday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

'My football career was snatched from under my feet',

'he was a monster', 'I couldn't say anything because I

wanted to get on in football' - the words of players

who were alleged victims of paedophile youth

This morning, on the programme, two more talk

publicly for the very first time about the abuse they say

Andy Woodward first revealed his abuse on this programme last week.

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you will be charged More former footballers

have come forward to say they were sexually abused by youth

coaches in the game - Most of the claims still involve

the former Crewe Alexandra youth coach Barry Bennell,

but there are fears that paedophiles may have preyed on youngsters

at other clubs. We'll be speaking exclusively to two

more former players who've waived their anonymity to tell us

they were abused as children. With each day more former

players are coming forward to tell their stories of alleged

abuse by football coaches At the centre of the allegations

is Barry Bennell, a former coach at Crewe Alexandra in the '80s

and '90s, who served three separate prison sentences for

abusing young boys. Last week the former Crewe player

Andy Woodward broke his silence to tell of the abuse he suffered

at the hands of Bennell, and this morning two more former

youth players told the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire programme

their stories of alleged abuse These allegations are sending shock

waves through British football, with claims that hundreds

of youngsters could have been affected, and questions over how

many coaches may have been involved. This morning another unnamed player

has told the Guardian newspaper that he was abused by a different

coach while he was in the youth A hotline set up the NSPCC yesterday

received more than 50 calls The England captain Wayne Rooney,

who is an ambassador for the charity, has encouraged

others who have been affected to come forward,

saying they don't need Annita is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary A scathing report has accused

Britain's biggest police force of putting children at risk

because of "serious failings" in the way it deals

with child abuse. The Inspectorate of Constabulary

found that three-quarters of cases investigated

by the Metropolitan Police were dealt with "inadequately"

or needed improvement. It said there was an "indefensible"

lack of leadership in child protection, with no single

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Joseph Muscat - who takes over the rotating presidency

A manhunt is underway in the south of France for an armed man

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.

We're going to talk to four men in just a moment or two. Two who were

already spoken publicly about the abuse they suffered at the hands of

their former youth coach. And two more men who are speaking for the

first time today about the abuse they experienced as young boys.

Thank you The clubs have such a hold on the

young boys, that boys and parents will do anything to make sure they

are still in favour. This is a breeding ground for abuse when one

side has so much power over the young boys. That was a tweet. This

message from Wendy, it is so brave the these men to come forward living

with that awful secret must have been hell will stop let's get some

sport now, with Hugh. It was a fantastic

night the Wayne Rooney with Manchester United wasn't it? Wayne

Rooney said he didn't even go into the wedding where it was alleged he

was strong, nearly a fortnight ago. But that shouldn't detract from his

great performance in Manchester united's euro per league win. He

scored the opener in a 4-0 victory. The result means a point in their

final group match will take Jose Mourinho's men into the knockout

stages. Agnew is the Southhampton, beating one nil. That means they

will still need a goalless draw or win in their final group game in two

weeks' time. Plenty of work for the British clubs.

Staying with football and one of the games greats is now planning

Indeed, what a career for Steven Gerard, the former England captain

has called it a day after leaving LA Galaxy. He will be most remembered

for his stellar career whilst at Liverpool. He made over seven

careers for the club. He also and constant 40 England caps. The

question is, what is next for Stevie G? In the future eye of dreams and

aspirations of having a go of the management, or assisting the manager

and being back in bold and the dressing room. But, you know where

the many years to do that. And we say goodbye to another sporting

British great, he says goodbye to a sport he loves as well. After 17

years behind the wheel of a Formula 1 car. Jenson button says this will

be his last Grand Prix. We're not sure whether he will take up new

challenges in motorsport or not. He will do a lot more try our full on,

he was well champion in 2009. He leads the sport having taken part in

305 races. He says he will step away happy with what he has achieved and

is life. Now. Best of luck to him as well.

This morning, how widespread was historical sexual abuse in football?

Three former youth players exclusively tell us about the abuse

they say they suffered at the hands of their former coach Barry Bennell,

Since Andy Woodward told us last week in his first broadcast

interview that he'd been raped hundreds of times by Bennell whilst

at Crewe Alexandra - in total six other players

have now come forward to waive their right to anonymity.

And we can speak to three of them now...

Chris Unsworth says he was raped between 50 and 100 times by Bennell

at Man City and Crewe youth teams, he didn't tell a single

person about the abuse for over thirty years until in fact

he saw our interview with Andy Woodward last week.

Jason Dunford says he was abused once by Bennell

at the Manchester City youth team - and when he told him

to 'get off him' - Bennell effectively forced him out

Neither of them turned professional - in part they say

because of Bennell's abuse - they're both speaking publicly

Steve Walters says he was repeatedly abused by Bennell whilst

at Crewe Alexandra - this is his first TV interview

And with them is Andy Woodward - the player whose revelations have

inspired others to speak out at last.

As you'd expect our conversation with them will be frank and open -

and will cover details of sexual abuse.

First of all thank you for coming on the programme today. I will start

with Chris. When you first watch the interview with Andy, lastly, what

effective have a new? Massive, really. Just watching Andy on TV, I

was just at home with my girlfriend, who actually watched the TV

interview and brought it home. We sat down and watched it. I didn't

say anything apart from I knew Andy, at least to play with Andy. -- I

used to play with auntie. We had a chat and she asked me about was OK.

I came at home I sat at home and thought about this. I thought, I

have got to come forward. I've got to come forward and help everyone.

You had never told a soul? Know. I never told anyone. I kept it locked

away right in the back of my head and still I really living things.

Having a chat with the boys and reliving it. I never told a soul.

You were first introduced to the now when he was a scout at Manchester

city, how did the use again? Used to pick me up, I was probably one of

the closest lads that lived to his house. In the Peak District? Yes. He

used to pick me up and the abuse started in the car. He used a torch.

We used to play games in the car. -- he used to torture. That is when all

started. On the way to training? Ayes he used to touch. And then he

invited you over to his house? That happened a little bit later, not

long after. At first there was two or three or four lads that used to

stay there. There was always two or three in the bed. Right, I'm going

to ask you what he did to you. At first it started, the games used to

start and it was hands everywhere. Down the pants and later it got more

serious in the bedroom, where there was penetration, things like that.

What age will you? I was about nine. And what did you, as a little boy,

think was going on? I didn't know what was going on, to be fair. I

just knew I wanted to get and I thought, this is obviously what I

have to go through. Did you know it was wrong? I knew it was wrong, but

I just went with it. I just went with it. Did you ever consider

telling a friend, a team-mate, another adult? No, never. Why? It

wasn't the in thing to do. You set your goals where you want to get to

and it was never brought up, never. He's stopped after a few years as

she got older. Yes, when you get a bit older you know you are growing

up you are a young adult. Your body changes. That is when your time is

it with him. He's onto a fresh boy. To a younger boy. Guest to younger

boys. When you got to 1516, you turned your back on football? I did,

yes I turn my back on football. I was lucky, is that the right word? I

had other sports to tissue. I turned to be a professional golfer. -- add

other sports to push you. I had a ball. And that was my escape route.

And you turned your back on football because you associated it with this

horror? Yes, somebody asked me that yesterday. At the time I don't know.

Was I good enough, I don't know. Looking back, I would say yes I

probably timed, football, I had had enough. That was it. I can't imagine

what it is like for young boy growing up through adolescence into

adult hood, and for decades keeping I chatted with my friend the other

night about this. And you just get on with your life and you forget

everything that has happened. As I say luckily I had my golf to go to

and that guided me through I think. Both my parents have died. And that

hurts me. Not telling them. Does it? Yes. I don't know if it's a good

thing that I did not tell them because they would have blamed

themselves, so... Chris, thank you for telling us. Such personal,

intimate and also horrific details. I want to bring in Steve, if I may.

I wonder, Steve, what the effect on you has been of revealing this

secret? Reading about Andy, how brave he

was, in the Guardian, I picked up the phone, because I was upset but

in a way it was like the biggest relief, like I said to Andy, like

100 tonnes lifted off my shoulders. Carrying this all my life, my career

has been ruined, my relationships have been ruined. I just had to get

it out there, I've got children, this can never happen to any more

children. You had a reputation as being one of the finest young

footballers in the country, as a teenager. That's right, people ask

me, what happened to you, Steve. In a football environment, that's full

of bravado, we've all met last night, our stories, we are all the

same. I can't believe how brave, we've all been there, it's just...

You think that he effectively snatched your footballing career

away from you? Yes, that's what happens. What has disappointed me

really is that Crewe Alexandra, I come from Plymouth, my dad is dead

now but he ended up working at Crewe as well. My parents put trust into

that football club. And basically they have let us down. All of us.

Can you explain to our audience, Steve, why you were afraid to tell

anyone? I have had problems with relationships with men. Because I

have always thought, you know, am I gay? What's happened to us, he has

made us feel like that. That's not right, you know. Every single

relationship I have had with anybody, it is just so hard to

explain. So difficult, honestly. In the early 1990s the police did talk

to you, didn't they, when they started to investigate Barry

Bennell? They came to my house on three separate occasions. I got told

that I would never play football again. Somehow I managed to carry on

and I ended up playing in the Conference but I still had that

dream, I wanted to fight this and beat this. If I did, if it did come

out, would people believe you? Back in that day and age, if you came out

with this sort of accusations so to speak would anybody believe you and

would you get the support we have had at the moment? Back then you

just did not know. I'm going to read some messages from our audience. Are

you all right, Andy? Yes, I'm just a bit emotional. Katie says, I want to

praise these high-profile footballers are coming forward and

being so brave to speak openly about the terrible things that happened to

them. I hope that it will help to bring the culprits to justice. A

tweet from scissors, watching Victoria Live, four brakeman on the

programme. My heart goes out to these men, it takes incredible

courage to speak to anyone about this, let alone tell the nation.

Roxy says, incredible bravery being shown by these players on your

programme, the epitome of courage, my heart goes out. This, from

Steven, really brave man. Thank you all for your courage, guys. There

are so many of these. David says, it's essential, get access to

talking Canterbury, either individually or as a group. Victor

says, respect for the courage of these men. I think, in your case,

Steve -- get access to talking therapy. Barry Bennell was saying,

stick with me and I will get you playing for England. That's correct,

he made all these. Ron Mrs. -- he made all these false promises. His

coaching skills was something we had never seen in this country before.

He could do things with the football and we hadn't seen. He said he could

produce that into the game, showed these tricks and flicks, promise you

this and that. It was just all grooming, wasn't it? Since you spoke

to the Guardian newspaper this week, Steve, do you think you have had

enough support from the football world, from former professionals who

are high profile? Have you had enough support from those kind of

people? I would like a little more, really. A lot of high-profile team

mates are out there, but still think, there is this bravado thing

in football that needs to be sorted out. They have been successful in

their careers, we have all had our lives and careers snatched away from

us. We all need support from anybody and everybody out there. Clearly in

your case, Steve, and renewals, Chris, you are speaking of this for

the first time after all these decades, so what happened to you was

not part of the evidence against Barry Bennell when he was jailed in

the late 1990s. What do you want to happen now? Justice, now. The

thought of Barry Bennell being out on the streets, for example, coming

here our train was unfortunately terminated at Milton Keynes last

night and that is where he is. We had to get off the train, and I said

to my wife,... It's all right, it's all right. He could be here now! I

just want justice. All this has got to be rectified as soon as possible.

I'm going to bring in Jason, if I may. Thank you, Steve. Jason,

compared to Andy, Steve and Chris, you describe yourself as "Lucky".

Explain why? I feel that I am lucky because at the moment, what is

determined now as sexual assault, I told him where to go. I confronted

him. As I told the boys last night I will never forget the deathly still.

And this was in his house? Negative, negative, this was in a holiday

camp, at Butlins. - No, No. I will never forget that is there, but from

that day forward I knew that my life would be really difficult with this

guy. Because you told him where to go. I told him to F off. I remember

physically hitting him. There was no retaliation from the guy. As a

13-year-old boy, almost 14, I was the same as every boy on the sofa.

By dreams of being a footballer. And every child who has a dream, to me,

should be able to try to achieve that dream without having to go to

sexual abuse or being around sexual predators. Barry Bennell, to me, was

not only a dangerous man, you still is a dangerous man. -- he still is a

dangerous man. But most of the lads who were involved in his coaching

and in the squad is that he coached over the years, they'll find this

very difficult, and hopefully, by what is going on, we are going to

get some results. When you told him where to go he then started the mind

games. He would tell you that he was going to play you and then he would

drop you, you would turn up at the game, your mother would drive, how

many miles, you would be standing on the sidelines and never get on. That

was the start of him trying to isolate you, what else did he do? He

detached me from the group by playing mind games. Like the lads

have said, because you are following the dream you are prepared to go

through with it. Why I feel different to these lads is that I

was not prepared to put up with that. I love the game of football. I

thought to myself, there are other ways around this. Barry Bennell is

not the be all and end all of getting me where I want to go and if

I have to go around the houses I will go to another team, I'll try

something a bit different. As he tried to detach me from the group by

fabricating stories of me amongst my team-mates,... He said that you had

stolen money from one of your team-mates? Yeah. And he talk us to

Norfolk for tournament, my father was working class and we went to the

tournament, when we came back there was no trophy, the team had been

dropped, defeated, my father said, why have you not played? Do you

really want to tell your parents that you have been accused of being

a thief? I had to make up a story for my parents. In my mother's head,

she was just looking at the football side of it. Like every single parent

that worked hard taking their children to the football, for those

parents out there who are kicking themselves, don't be guilty. To not

be guilty. Because this man was playing games, not only with the

children, he was playing games with the parents heads as well. Let me

read some more messages before we take a break for the news and sport,

on Twitter, this tweet, to those guys must overcome and know that

millions of people are supporting you. Rachel says, such bravery from

the guys, massive respect to them for speaking out. This is

heartbreaking seeing these grown men talking about what happened to them

as children. True courage. speaking out about abuse is vital.

There's a few more I will read. And then I will bring in and day. Here's

the latest news headlines. More former football players have

alleged that they were sexually abused in the sport's youth system

during the 1980s and 90s. Jason Dunford and Chris Unsworth

have waived their right to anonymity to tell this programme

that they were targeted by the former Crewe Alexandra

coach, Barry Bennell. A total of seven former footballers

have now spoken out publicly about how they were abused.

A mob of 30 schoolchildren have attacked two police officers

after they tried to search a suspect for a knife.

and repeatedly kicked in the head, while his colleague was punched

in the jaw when she tried to rescue him in New Cross

Three quarters of cases were dealt with in adequately or needed

improvement. That is a summary of the latest BBC News, Moore at ten

o'clock. Here's Hugh with the latest sports news. Good morning, Wayne

Rooney is a perfect player and should be shown more respect. Rooney

became United's record goal-scorer in Europe in their 4-0 win. They are

yet to reach the knockout stages, though. The same is true of

Southampton at about 1-0 game. Just Butler will replace Ben Duckett the

England's third test against India. The match starts in the early hours

of tomorrow morning. That is all the sport now, I will be back in about

half an 's time. Good morning. We are talking to

these three men who have spoken about the abuse they have

experienced as young boys. Football is loving the game of football.

Chris and Jason speaking publicly for the first time today. Steve, in

his first TV interview has explained what happened to him. All of them

have spoken because of what Andy Woodward did a week ago. Andy is

here too and is very emotional which is completely understandable. I want

ask, you guys if Andy hadn't spoken out, would you have ever come

forward? Not in a million years. I keep telling him this, what he has

done is so brave, inspirational, in my opinion, in our opinion, for what

he has done is absolutely fantastic. So brave, you know. He is like my

new brother. What would you say Chris? It was locked way back in my

mind and I had forgotten about it. I would never have come forward if I

hadn't seen him on telly. What was it about him speaking about his

experiences that inspired you to do the same? Just because I know what

he has been through. I have been through exactly the same in all the

lads have been through the same. This has got to stop. The only way I

could help was to come forward. You seem quite strong, Chris, if you

don't mind me saying? A lot of people have said that, but I do know

that I'm not strong. Deep down I don't think I am. I am now a funeral

director, I see lots of horrible things, so that is made me a little

bit stronger than the rest of the lads, probably. What would you say

the anti-? I love Andy to bits, I'm here because of him. Andy, you have

done a quite remarkable thing, you know? I'm totally overwhelmed. Last

week I was on here are my own. I was so scared. I knew that they were

here. Honest to God, Victoria I can't thank the public enough. And

in media and more importantly the lads for backing me up. I am totally

overwhelmed. I want to ask you all, about parents, your payment letting

you stay over at coaches' house. I would like to think that would never

happen today. What was different about back then? From my

perspective, I have said it before in other interviews, the parents

didn't know. They didn't know. They are also victims in this. My mum and

dad were in tears last night because they are actually realised for the

first time that they are victims as well in this. And they are. Is it,

feasible that other adults at the time really didn't know what was

happening? Impossible. The football clubs, I did believe it for one

minute. I believe there was a conspiracy there was a paedophile

ring. And there were people at those football clubs that had duty to look

after the welfare of young boys coming through their system. This is

their potential future stars, and they are being sexually abused and

assaulted. And by member of their staff. Steve, what do you think is a

possible other adults really didn't know? I don't honestly know. Until

Bennell's arrest? I honestly don't know, really. To be honest review.

Chris? I think members of the club knew what was going on they knew. It

was just swept under the carpet. You are talking about senior players?

Senior players, senior management and the top as well. Is this as big

as Jimmy Savile? I think Southall's looks like a choir boy competitor

this fella and what is going on right now. As I said on Channel 4

last night, I will tell you a story, this is chilling, this. Somebody

rang me up and said he remember going to grand Canary's I did it

myself. There were seven of us that went away. He said, we went for

seven days with seven others and he had won every night. Oh God! Do you

know why you didn't talk to each other as boys? It wasn't the thing

to be done, was it lads? From 11 years of age she didn't discuss

things like that because your dream would have burst. -- you didn't

discuss things like that. Lads just concentrated on improving football.

There was one, just to show you, this is how was. I remember being on

a train at the age of 13 and I've spoken to this lad. 25 years since

he is come out, we're sat on the training he asked whether I

remembered. He looked at me and I look to him and we both knew. We

hike contact. -- we had eye contact. He said you knew, and I said I knew.

But the rest didn't talk to each other. Could it have been prevented?

Yes. Chris? I think, yes it could have been prevented, but way back

then there was no laws. You just went with it. You just went with it.

Do you think it could have been prevented, Steve? Looking back now,

yes. As I've said before, I lived in Plymouth so I had no choice but to

stay... You moved up. I had to stay somewhere, as was my parents were

concerned they put the trust into the football club. Surely they

should have vetted and made sure that the person that was looking

after orders was a normal person. Could it happen now? I don't think

so. Recently I've been involved with the professional football club,

looking at the boys are age. And, the football club I was at

everything they safeguarded. Everyone is protected. It is just a

different world now. Thankfully, for our young children, Mr was about

children. And some boys at football club. -- most of us have children. I

am more confident now that this wouldn't happen. Do you want to see

these historic claims of sexual abuse in football brought into the

wide ranging national sexual appreciating quite the? It is a

difficult question what went on in the past, like I said to you. I was

just focusing on now. If it helps but orders to all now move forward

in football, then it is going to help safeguard and safeguard

everyone in sport. Then, that is fine, yes. The issue is,

professional football clubs, it is tied, it is bring fenced. In

grassroots up for when there is small clubs where parents are

managers and they are struggling to get the funding in everything else.

These managers out there. It is an easy target because they are

struggling to get managers that will look after the team. But you still

have to get checks in order to be a coach, don't you? They pick a better

time to come through. You are supposed to, but when you don't have

a manager and you are struggling to these kids. Victoria, can I do is

comment. Up until 1990, when he was first arrested if you would have

done a background check in those days, he might have been OK. Because

he wasn't caught. So, what we're saying is we have a system in place

at the moment whereby one of trust, until you become an offender, which

carries victims, then you can get away with whatever you want to do.

After Bennell's conviction and another one in 2002, the Newcastle

United connection. As far as I can see there was no effort made by any

club or the FA to investigate whether there were any more victims,

alleged victims, or whether there were offenders. What you think of

that? I think it is shocking. Everything that we've been through

is being pushed under the carpet. This is why we are here today. To

bring it out and make people aware and hopefully others will come out

and joiners. Steve, what do you think about the fact that there was

no wider enquiry from those with in football to try and find out if

others have been affected? To be honest, I'm gobsmacked. All the

organisations are supposed to be responsible for football and looking

after children. They have a key to protect others. So, all the

appropriate authorities down to the police, everybody, the whole of

football needs ripping apart. -- they have a duty to protect others.

This could never happen to any young footballer again. That is for those

who've been brave enough to come out now. We are all going through a lot

of pain at the moment. But we can prevent anything happening to other

young children. I will personally die a happy man. I'm going to

introduce you to Sara who's been watching you this morning, she is

one of our viewers who has been abused in the past. Hello, Sara.

Hello, good morning. What you want said these gentlemen this morning?

Looking at the cheap one of you I can see the debt of your pain --

looking at each one of you. I know what it takes to come forward. You

are so brave and are doing such an amazing thing that so many people

and for yourselves. I hope your own pain would gradually ease and you

will have as many good things in your life as you possibly can. You

are very brave and courageous. Thank you very much your very much helped

me as well. Thank you very much. Let me read you more messages. Johnny

says this must have to be the most emotional interview I've ever seen,

massive respect. Georgina echoes that, my heart goes out to them.

Adam says, this story about paedophilia in football is

heartbreaking. These poor guys, really moving testimony. Sarah says,

heartbreaking abuse victims need a voice, we need to be heard when we

speak up. Andy, please any footballer come out and support

these brave guys who've come forward. Becky, so many butty guys

are being driven round -- football guys will stop being driven around

without checks. savage Mac what do you want to happen now, Andy? I have

this endeavour to go with this. Buy spoken to the FA, it is a passion

inside my stomach, I will do everything I can to help those young

kids and I won't stop. It's like Steve said. I will die a happy man

now. And I am going to do everything I can possibly do help people. If

all you ever do in your life is to help people... Man for me as well

I'm so emotional because last week I was sitting here are my own and now

I've got these guys. I've got so many people. I have worked so hard

this last week and so encouraged, I know that there are more out there,

Victoria, and they can do it. They really can do it. You know. I'm

going to thank you all so much. Thank you Andy, Chris, Steve, Jason.

You have been incredibly dignified. Thank you. Thank you very much.

There are so many messages. You'll be able to see them on Twitter

afterwards. Most of them talking about your courage for speaking out

on the programme today. I want to give you the number of the new 24

hour NSPCC Hotline if you want to talk to someone about abuse.

The new hotline is available 24 hours a day on 0800 023 2642.

This number opened yesterday morning. Thank you again.

This morning - exclusive access to the UK's only rehabilitation

and treatment centre where mothers can overcome a drug or alcohol

addiction whilst living with their children.

Three babies on average are born addicted to drugs in England every

I've been addicted to heroin for 13 years.

I started with recreational drugs, party drugs, and

it led to harder drugs, crack and heroin.

I had a very, very nasty, nasty habit when I came here.

Her son was born addicted to drugs, but

living here means she can keep him with her.

Do you feel a bit calmer now you've got it?

So knowing that you can do this and...

Still have my little man is brilliant.

Often mums like Louise would have their children taking into

Often mums like Louise would have their children taken into

This is the only rehab centre in the country where she can live

I mean waking up with this little chap

To have him still with me is amazing,

Because they tried to take him straight from

Do you think you could do this without him?

Around 20 women enter these gates every year.

We've got to keep the

location secret because many are fleeing domestic violence.

They'll have to follow a strict drug and

The hope is they'll leave here in around

It is an expensive programme and many like this have been closed

down. Every single mother here says to us that she would not be able to

do recovery without her child. She would not be able to focus on what

you needed to do and for the child to be separated they would either be

in the care system, they might be with family members but they

wouldn't be with their mum so keeping them together is better for

the mother and their child. What does that say? Amat was a heroin

addict, she is now clean and she still has her twins. Do you like the

Penguin? I just think it's heartbreaking that so many people

like me are just written off, you are a drug addict so you can't have

your child. -- Emma was a drug addict. Something has to change. The

women that I have met in this place are phenomenal. You know, some of

the stories I've heard, some of the things that some of these women have

been through, you wouldn't imagine it in your darkest nightmares. They

didn't deserve that. People deserve a chance. They deserve help. They

deserve a chance, the children deserve it. You know, like, some of

the things my friends here have told me, it has happened to them. It's

not their fault, they did not ask to be abused, and mistreated. Hello!

What do you want? He hit me, he made me hold out my hand while he tried

to cut my finger off with a knife, for ten years we had domestic

violence, I would be over drugged, or because there were no drugs...

Rachel was abused by her partner, she turned to heroin, now off the

drugs she is here with her son. You know you are carrying a baby but you

still do it. It is that lifestyle. You wake up and you realise, though,

my God, I've got a habit. And then there is the stigma attached to

that, if you admit to a professional that you have a habit that they will

take away your child, so I had it. You went through a hell of a lot

when you were younger. I don't blame my partner, I don't blame him for

anything that happened throughout my life, I take responsibility for it

because I made the choice to take drugs. You had four children running

around and you took heroin, did you not feel guilty? I feel guilty every

day of my life, I will never forgive myself for what I put my kids

through. Living in the past. It put me back to square one, I'm looking

forward to a future without drugs. I'm coming! I haven't forgotten

about you, don't worry! Back to Louise and her baby boy. Her other

children are in care. What did it feel like when your daughter was

taken from you? I just wanted to kill myself. I did attempt it

numerous times but now I am better. Can we carry this on later? The bell

means it is time for group therapy. I am giving you the gift of

strength, and of courage because you are a strong woman. It is emotional.

They have written letters to their abusers.

Louise is graduating from the course.

What have you learned from this last 12 weeks of freedom

But it doesn't mean she'll definitely keep

Louise has just gone into one of the most important meetings

She'll be meeting with her key workers and her

social workers to first of all find out how she's getting on, and, more

importantly, find out how her little boy's getting on and whether they'll

There is still not 100% chance that I'll be able to keep him. How does

that feel? Right now I'm still pretty shocked to be told that I

could lose my son. Sorry. That is the reality here. Not everyone keeps

their children. Katie relapsed after leaving the centre. She can only see

her son for visits. She is fighting to get him back. This is the worst

thing that's ever happened to me, being separated from my son. It is

like my heart has been ripped out, that is what it feels like on a

daily basis when I am not with him. It's a horrible, horrible feeling

like you are this terrible mum. If someone is struggling you help them.

You help them up. You don't beat them down. That is what happens in

society. To see children remain with their mum, I say that as a mother, I

think being a mother is one of the hardest jobs you can do but also one

of the most rewarding and to see children being able to stay with

their mum, that is really what it is all about. Noone this is the only

service of its kind in the country and it only has ten places. Where

would these women be without this service? They have all told me the

same thing. Dead, definitely. Because when they took my kids I

just did not care any more. My reason for living was gone. Put

yourself in dangerous places, with dangerous people, doing silly

things. So it saved my life really. Late in the programme we will be

talking to the people behind the rehab centre.

The serial killer Stephen Port will be sentenced this morning,

after he was found guilty of killing four men he met on dating websites.

Footage has emerged of a mob of schoolchildren

after they tried to search a suspect for a knife.

Our correspondent Richard Lister is here.

this incident happened on November nine but the Met only released

details of it this week. They are appealing for mobile phone footage

and this is one thing that has prompted this footage to come to

life. What happened is, this gang of schoolchildren were apparently

waiting to see a fight between two girls in New Cross and South East

London when these two officers on a routine patrol noticed that one of

the young boys in the crowd seemed to be concealing a knife. They went

to try and search and as you can see one of the officers is pinned to the

car. As he falls to the ground he is kicked in the head repeatedly and

badly bruised. He later had to go to hospital. His colleague is trying to

move the crowd back and eventually manages to pull him to safety but he

is badly dazed and she is also hit repeatedly in the face. The crowd

moves away but the police are anxious to contact anyone who might

have been about incident and can describe who was involved or call

has mobile phone footage. The of 15 was arrested and they are out on

bail at the moment. Police believe others were involved. Thank you.

Coming up, the news and sport, before that the weather with Darren.

Good morning, certainly more sunshine in the UK than in the last

couple of days, folk across Northern Ireland is lifting into low cloud,

is sunshine around, some stubborn fog patches around Glasgow, across

northern Scotland and Atlantic wind is bringing in more cloud and

keeping up temperatures. A bit of cloud in parts of Yorkshire and

Lincolnshire although on the whole lot of St John, double temperatures

in the south although feeling cold and the strength of those easterly

winds, they will ease overnight, and eventually we will see more cloud

coming into the South, some foggy patches further north with low cloud

pushing from the north which will shrink our area of frosty and foggy

weather in the night. Either side of that, something milder. The fog will

lift although it will be a great and gloomy morning across most of the

UK. Some low cloud in the south for a while, a bit of sunshine, hard to

find, generally more cloud and temperatures struggling after that

chilly start in southern Scotland and northern England.

Hello it's Friday, just after 10, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme if you've just joined us...

4 former footballers tell this programme about the abuse they say

and 1990s by youth code, Barry Bennell. Last week I was on here, I

was on my own and I was so scared, but I knew that they were here.

Honest to God, Victoria, I can't thank the public and North and the

media and more importantly the lads for backing me up. I am just totally

overwhelmed. I sat at home and thought about

this, and I thought I have to come forward. I have to do and help

everybody. You had never told a soul? No. Never told anyone. Kept it

locked away right in the back of my head. All four of the men we spoke

to this morning said they would abused by Barry Bennell, in the 90s

and 80s. They fear there could be many more victims.

Is this as big as Savile? I think Sabo looks like a choir boy compared

to this fella and what is going on now. -- I think Saville looks a

choir boy. And - exclusive access to the UK's

only rehabilitation and treatment centre for mothers and babies

addicted to drugs and alcohol To have him still with me is amazing

because they try to taken straight from Bath. The thing you could do

this without? No. -- straight from birth. Without you I couldn't do it,

because there is no point, is there, there's no point without you.

The serial killer Stephen Port will be sentenced this morning

after he was found guilty of killing four men he met on dating websites

We will bring you that sentence as soon as it happens.

Here's the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

Two more former football players have waived their right to anonymity

to speak exclusively to this programme about the sexual abuse

Jason Dunford and Chris Unsworth have been explaining how

they were targeted by the former Crewe Alexandra coach,

They had chosen to speak out after hearing the pester me of another

former player, Andy Woodward. -- having heard the testimony.

A total of 7 former footballers have now spoken out publicly

More video footage has emerged of an attack on a pair of police

officers by a group of up to thirty schoolchildren in South East London.

The officers had been trying to search a suspect for a knife.

One of them was beaten to the ground and kicked in the head,

while his colleague was punched in the jaw when she tried

A scathing report has accused Britain's biggest police force

of putting children at risk because of "serious failings"

in the way it deals with child abuse.

The Inspectorate of Constabulary found that three-quarters

of cases investigated by the Metropolitan Police

were dealt with "inadequately" or needed improvement.

French police are searching for an armed man after a woman

was found dead in a retirement home for missionaries.

It's believed the hooded man burst into the home

She managed to escape and alert police but when they arrived

they found the body of another woman.

Authorities say it is too early to suggest a motive.

UK shoppers are expected to spend a record ?2 billion

and a quarter billion pounds will be spent on internet sales alone -

Some Black Friday deals have already been running for more than a week.

The nominations for the BBC Music Awards album of the year

Rick Astley's comeback album '50' is among those shortlisted.

It will go up against the latest releases

There's been some surprise that David Bowie's Blackstar didn't gain

a spot on the list which is chosen by the Radio 2 playlist committee.

The winner will be announced on 12th December.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30am.

This e-mail from John who's watching the interview with the four

gentlemen. He says we need to hear from the football clubs about how

they police their youth organisations now. We have cleared

the interviews with Crewe Alexander and Manchester city and they have

said no. Another e-mail, absolutely heartbroken and in tears watching

these guys. A friend of mine was abused as a young footballer in the

XML is never told soul. He told me one night when he was drunk. -- in

Wrexham. I hope this will mean he will have the courage to tell what

happened when he was a little boy hoping to follow his dream. Then he

can start healing. Yasmin said, healing the footballers minded me of

the day I used to prosecute abuses. I've told parliament there is a lot

of abuses, particularly of young boys. So many messages. We are

absolutely overwhelmed, we're going to read them all, we really

appreciate them and the four men will see them all. Do get in touch

with those, use the hatch tag. Wayne Rooney expect frustration at

his night off during England duty. He scored the opener in a 4-0

victory at Old Trafford. Jesse Lingard came off the bench to round

off the scoring, late on. This means that a .40 dues a Mourinho's men

into the knockout stages. It is amazing achievement, obviously it

would be even better if you can help to bring to the club, the only

competition that the club never won in history which is that Europa

League. It is not the biggest competition. It is just one at

Manchester United's history doesn't have. Let's track that push. Sub

partner would be in 1-0. -- itself Hampton. Jos Buttler will return to

the England test team for the third test in India tomorrow. He blazes

Ben Duckett, he went replace Jonny Bairstow as wicketkeeper it will

give a second first-class game but Butler in the last 30 months.

Playing this way is slightly unusual, but Johnny is in great

form. The batter 's been outstanding for other over a year now is that

Gibbs is a bit more chance to bat, in one said. -- give others a bit

more chance. What we have had on this tour, is the fact that we've

had no practice, we haven't moaned about it. Bangladesh was a massive

Test series but we haven't had a chance to get on with practice.

Sebastien Coe's four-year spell as the chairman of the British Olympic

Association has come to an end. His time in charge most famously saw the

successful running of London 2012. In his only broadcast interview he

is told as others about the challenges that will face his

successor Sir Hugh Robinson. There are clearly going to be pressure

point of public expenditure, we have got to continue to remind government

that sport plays a R more important role than just a medals table. -- a

far more important role. It can be a conduit for community cohesion,

particularly in radical as communities. The big challenge is

helping, or allowing sport to help in that big agenda around health,

well-being and physical inactivity in particular. All the sports of

now, but just say Lewis Hamilton is having a good start as Formula 1

weekend. We'll be back with more sport at 1030, and an

This morning two more former players have spoken to this programme

for the first time about the abuse they say they suffered at the hands

In their first ever interview Chris Unsworth and Jason Dunford

told us they were inspired to speak out after hearing Andy Woodward

Just watching Andy on TV, I was just at home with my girlfriend, who

actually watched the TV. She brought it home. We sat down and watched it

I didn't say anything. I just said I knew Andy and I used to play with

him. We had a little chat, she asked me I was OK. Then, I came home and I

sat at home and thought about this and I thought, I have to come

forward. I've got come forward, and help.

thought historical abuse was in football. I keep telling Andy this,

what he's done is so brave, inspirational, in my opinion, in an

opinion, for what he's done is absolutely fantastic. So brave. He

is like my new brother. Would you say, Chris? It was locked way back

in my mind and I had forgotten about it. I would never have come forward

if I hadn't seen him on telly. What was it about him speaking about his

experiences that inspired you to do the same? Just because, I know what

he has been through, because I've been to exactly the same in all the

lads have. This has got to stop. The only way that I could help is to

come forward. You seem quite strong, Chris if you don't mind me saying. A

lot of people have said that, but I do know about and that strong. Deep

down I don't think I am. I'm if funeral director and icy lots of

horrible things so that would be made me a bit stronger than the rest

of the lads. -- I see a lot of horrible things. I love Andy qubits,

I am here because of him. You have done quite a remarkable thing, you

know. I'm totally overwhelmed, last week I was on here on my own and I

was so scared, but I knew that they were here. Honest to God, Victoria,

I can't thank the public enough and the media and more importantly the

lads are backing me up. I'm just totally overwhelmed. -- the lads for

backing me up. I want to ask you all about, parents, your parents letting

you stay over at a coach's house. I like to think that wouldn't happen

today, what was different about back then? From my perspective, I have

said it before in other interviews. The parents didn't know, they didn't

know and they are also victims in this. My mum and dad were in tears

last night because they actually realised, for the first time, that

they are actually victims as well in this. And they are. Is it feasible

that other adult at the time really didn't know what was happening?

Impossible. The football clubs, I don't believe it for one minute. I

think there was a conspiracy, paedophile ring. There were people

but had duty to look after the welfare of young boys, coming

through their system. This is their potential future stars, and their

future stars are being sexually abused and sexually assaulted by a

member of their staff. The FA is urgently looking into

those abuse claims. A seven footballer came forward in The

Guardian. The FA chair Greg Clark met Andy Woodward and pledged full

support to adult victims of sexual abuse. I'd then know how the

football Association responded at the time. There was no response? I

believe you. If there was no response at the time then that is

appalling. This is the former coach who four

players toured us this morning abuse them, he has been jailed before for

historical sexual offences, he was found guilty of an offence against a

12-year-old boy committed on a football pitch. Police in Florida

said he had an insatiable appetite for young boys coming he said

himself he was a monster when he gave evidence in court, this was a

monster when he gave evidence in court, this wasn't talking to the

BBC when he was a youth coach at Crewe. They are learning all the

time and we do a lot of talking to them as well as showing them skills,

we explain that that is more to it than coming here one hour a week. We

give them homework. Bennell remains permanently suspended from football.

England captain Wayne Rooney is encouraging any player who has

experienced abuse in their careers to call the helpline so they no

longer suffer in silence. The number is 0800 0232642.

We can speak now to three former players, Peter Shilton,

England's most capped footballer, John Scales, the former Liverpool

and England defender and Michael Bennett,

a former Charlton player who's now the Professional

Football Associations, head of player welfare.

John, I know you saw the interview with the four guys earlier, what did

you think? Like everyone I thought the courage and bravery they should

is incredibly powerful and moving. The emotional shock that we all felt

watching that is nothing compared with the trauma that they are going

through right now, in revealing all that they are but years and years of

living with fat and locking it away and not being able to process it all

go through therapy, that long, long process which in many ways is

starting now, it was difficult watching, very moving. As a

professional footballer I have seen things in the dressing room, verbal

and physical abuse, too few of those stories of what those young players

went through was quite shocking and disturbing. Whichever way you want

to respond, it is a long process for them to respond to, the steps ahead,

all the relevant authorities should come together and make sure it is as

good a process as possible and that we can make sure that this kind of

thing doesn't happen again, that brings it on to this whole issue of

where does it drive paedophiles who have been prevalent in the game in

the past, the figures we have of keeping our children safe. Peter,

how do you respond? Terrific response from the lads, very brave,

to come out and talk about the abuse, you can't think of anything

much worse to happen to you and hopefully by doing what they have

done because obviously they have suppressed it for years and years,

hopefully bringing it out into the open hopefully they will gain some

benefit from Ed first of all but I think it is a society thing. We have

seen it in so many other areas recently, entertainment especially,

it is a society think but when it comes into sport I think we have

tended to turn a blind eye. I think that what happens is that young

footballers, talking about football, they really want to become

footballers, when they are young it is their dream, their parents dream

of it and in some ways they will do anything, in one sense, to try to

achieve that, they won't want to upset coaches, so it is a license

for paedophile coaches to do what they want to do. It has not been

good enough in the past, in terms of bringing it out and having areas

where coaches are checked, was one of the lads said earlier, some of

the checks would be great and when it gets into that situation what can

you do? All you can do is give an area where the parents can ring and

let people know what is going on. So overall great credit to the boys and

hopefully from this it will be a springboard to a lot of other things

happening. Michael, you've been involved in helping Andy and others

who have been abused, what is the nature of the help? When individuals

come forward we've got a triage system so we can find the support

they need and get the process underway. Andy came to us in October

last year, and has been going through the therapy, and this has

come out from that and has given him the strength to come forward and

share what he has gone through with other people. The catalyst for Chris

and Jason to come forward as well. That was the process. Do you think

it could happen now? I am hoping not with the safeguards and things we

have in place now. It is very tightly done. I honestly don't think

it could happen now. Should we have in law mandatory referral so if you

suspect as an adult that anything inappropriate is happening, you

should be compelled to report it? I think so. I think it gives the

individual that freedom to express what they are going through and have

a sauce to go through, to do that. I think that will make life easier for

an individual to show what they having counted. John, what do you

think about this idea that you should be compelled by legislation

to report something if you suspect it? My concern is that you have to

create an environment where people feel safe and confident that the

institutional rigour will be there to back that up and as we have seen

in the Independent inquiry into child sexual abuse, confidence can

be destroyed that the process will be robust and that you will be

believed and safe and in an environment where you can share

those things in confidence. I absolutely agree that that is the

right step to take but it does become mandatory, how it works in

practice will have to be well thought through and ensure that

those victims feel they are getting adequate support in so many areas,

it is not just about disclosure, it is about the support and the

confidence that they have in this process. Stay with us, gentlemen, we

have been taking a look at what measures might be taken to keep

children safe. It is the most popular game in the world, 8 million

people play football in this country but after recent revelations of

historic abuse how vulnerable is the game today and what is being done to

protect children? My concern is not looking back, it is looking at what

we can do now to put in place to protect these children even at grass

roots. It is important that we do not ignore a single thing. From 2001

the footballers a station put in place new rules.

People to say it was well ahead of other sports in this. What if you

feel the situation is more serious? Each team from the smallest to

professional outfits must now have a trained safeguarding officer, anyone

working with people under 18 must have a criminal record check, that

is more than 50,000 season. The FA says this will screen at anyone who

may pose a risk, others say it is far from a guarantee. What we know

from abuse is that people don't talk about it. They don't come forward.

It is a crime that is covered in silence. So they're very often is

not a criminal record. Critics of the current system say it relies too

much on children being able to come forward and report abuse. In other

countries they have stricter rules. The new portrait appeasing of the

Penn State football coach accused of abusing boys. In the US senior coach

was recently convicted of 45 counts of child abuse but three other men

at Penn State University are still awaiting trial for not telling the

universities about their suspicions. Key to never contacted police. Some

form of that mandatory reporting is in place in other countries. It is a

criminal offence not to come forward and report neglect if you have a

reasonable suspicion it is going on. Introducing mandatory reporting

increases both the number of reports but also the number of reports that

are substantiated. Others think mandatory reporting has its

limitations and could lead to police being of all armed with reports of

abuse that later proved false. The government is now considering how to

tighten the law with the final decision due next year. We cant

speak now to the sports spokesperson for the Labour Party and John

Nicholson is here, from the select committee and Tom Perry is an abuse

survivor who wants to introduce mandatory reporting and we still

have three former players, Peter Shilton, John Scales, and Michael

Bennett. John, why is mandatory reporting essential, in your view?

And the founder of the group so why is it important? We are one of the

few countries in the world that doesn't have it. Just to give you

some idea, 72% of Asian countries have it. 74% of African countries

have some form of mandatory reporting, 86% of Europe, and even

more in the Americas and yet the government says that we've got it

right. Clearly given the fact that we have the Independent inquiry into

child sexual abuse and these extraordinary revelations in sport

we have not got it right. What would mandatory reporting mean in

practical terms? We would be following principles elsewhere

principally in Australia where they operate well, anyone with a

suspicion on reasonable grounds has to report that to a triage service.

That in principle is operating now in this country. The only problem is

that it is discretionary to report it, not mandatory. Would the SNP

support that? I'm not sure how it would work. If you had a suspicion

on reasonable grounds you'd have to tell the police. What is the penalty

if you don't, is there one? That is interesting, yes, there is a

penalty, it is a fine through court it's all in our submission where we

drafted the registration for the governments consideration -- drafted

the legislation. So you would criminalise someone who had the

suspicion on reasonable grounds and didn't report it. What happens for

example if you are talking about a 17 boy or an 18 young adult who

knows that his 15-year-old friend is being abused, would that 18-year-old

be subject to criminal penalties if he feels intimidated and will not

come forward? Not at all, that indicates you don't understand the

system in England, in England, with children and 18 if there is an

offence by someone who is defined as a child under 18 who is in an

educational setting working in a regulated activity because we're

talking about mandatory reporting only in regulated activities which

include sport and schools and Faith settings. If that gets referred to

children's services and the protocol exists now, we're not seeking to

criminalise a bite of 17... If you are 18 in that situation you could

be subject to penalties? Not if you are in a regulated activity. We are

only applying mandatory reporting to a regulated activity, as defined by

the act of 2006. Would you support that? Rosena? It's about having a

robust system but also creating a safe space for people to come

forward and say when they are concerned. I must say that 99.9% of

coaches and officials work hard and have the interests of the children

at heart. But we must crack down on sexual predators. Tom, you are an

abuse survivor. Just how difficult is it to speak up? I kept quiet

about it for six a mere 38 years. OK! And I must tell you it is

incredibly difficult. It's an absolute life changer too many

people. Not everyone but to meet it certainly is. Living a life where I

have no respect for authority and to be frank, anyone carrying a

clipboard walking up to me is in deep trouble about knowing it

because it is a statement of authority and it is a problem. --

without knowing it. And frankly the cost of child abuse, the NSPCC has

done some research and estimates, conservatively, we do question it as

we question a lot of things about the NSPCC, to be frank, the cost of

it, they estimated in 2012 was ?3.2 billion. This goes into police,

court services, drug addiction, crime, and mental health services in

which I've taken part. It came out in a group that I was involved in,

seven out of nine people have been abused in childhood.

Were it not for child abuse, frankly we would have space. From your

committee's point of view your chairman has written to the FA, due

any stay on how widespread this might be in terms of historical

claims? And use satisfied the FA is taking this seriously enough now,

even if it wasn't then? 20 years ago there was a dispatches programme

that looked at this, and Channel 4. The recommendation was that the FA

should take this very seriously indeed, this was in 1997. And it

wouldn't comment at the time. Precisely. We now know that this

hotline has been set up and over 50 Calder almost immediately. In the

first two hours, 50. -- called it almost immediately. It is clearly a

huge problem. Our select committee is written to the FA to find out

what its action plan is. We are keen to get them into speak was and then

decide how we will take it forward. It is busy and enormous problem, not

least because what we had today is what we all know from our friends,

from our family, from our constituents. That kids are often

scared to tell their parents because they do want to upset them which is

a huge problem. I want to ask our former players, Chris, Jason, Andy

and Steve, said they thought they were adults that knew what was going

on. I won't ask you Michael, had you heard rumours? In regards to what

was going on? Without naming any names, obviously. When you are

playing you heard rumours and a number of players will say the same

thing. But without evidence you can't do anything. Yes, the rumours

were there but no one was brave enough them to step forward in come

forward with those allegations. That is why we are here today. We've both

been around the BBC for while, but there were always rumours about

Jimmy Savile, but hard evidence was quite a different thing. Do the kids

talk to other kids? I ask the former players and they didn't talk to each

other, they would only exchange a lot, but didn't speak about it. You

don't, though PPP mention this, but as kids when you are abuse and abuse

is repeated it is a very dangerous word but this is it, you feel

complicit. And complicity silences you. Without naming any names, in

your long and distinguished playing career did you hear rumours? No, not

really. Not only abuse side. It was more, maybe that one or two players

may be gay. But not on side. We have to be careful but when we're talking

about coaches, and boys really. I know there may be some adults or

teenagers involved. The coaches in this country, some are just alluded

to it, 99% or 98% are great people who really do a great job. You have

to be careful that we don't stigmatise coaches of kids. It is a

very small minority that do this. Going forward, we have to make sure

that the people who have been abused that feel they can come forward now,

there is a great platform for them to get help. These brave lads that

came forward will help in that. In the future, we have to put a lot

tighter regulations in. The FA years ago is nothing like today. A lot of

things are brushed under the carpet and not discussed. Now it is more

open. They put hotline in, where 50 odd calls happened yesterday. They

are more progressive. Years ago might be brushed under the carpet it

is not supposed to happen. As I said earlier on, youngsters want to

become footballers, their parents do and even if they know there are

rumours they won't want to put their kid in jeopardy in case it gets

buried at the club, or something. Though all of these things to

consider. I wonder if you think these historic sexual abuse claims

in football should be brought into the National sexual abuse enquiry. I

think they should. We need to do whatever we can to stop this

happening. I am a mother myself and I know open down the country parents

will be frightened. Fighting about what it means for them to take their

child to somewhere and leave them unaccompanied. It is really really

important. I've spoken to the FA already. They have been working very

hard recently have designated safeguarding officers, but we need

to make sure that these officers have robust training. I would really

welcome any measures that it would take to ensure that there was a safe

platform for people to come out and report. John, without naming any

names did you hear rumours when you're playing? Yes. In clubs we've

seen, there was always innuendo and things said. We had all the other

stories and all the other fanciful rumours about players and everything

else. I also had rumours about players themselves, senior players,

abusive, aggressive and I saw that first-hand other players. That was

also an issue. You come back the full-sized call. Those youngsters

grow up in an environment where they feel that this is part and parcel of

playing football, being in this environment. As the gentleman said

before, if you don't accept it and the guilt you feel, and the clump

green complicity you feel in it makes you feel compelled but that is

part and parcel of the environment you in. -- the complicity you feel.

I'm scared to death of my children into ballet, jazz, swimming,

athletics and we look at people, look at coaches in those positions

of power and influence should with an eye of suspicion on every single

one of them. That is a horrible place to be the battered the world

in which we live. Therefore, it is OK to say football has this problem

but we all appreciate that society has this problem. Paedophiles

extensively at large in this country and across the world. There has to

be a process that is put into place that safeguards those youngsters.

The mandatory reporting is a good step as long as it is implemented in

the right way. Politicians have to be careful about saying all these

fantastic new systems that you put in, without the rigour of learning

the lessons and passing the blame towards the FA. 20 years ago it was

very different on the way it is today. Use of the way they came out

on this helpline together and put that where players can come forward.

My fear is that Paul has the resources to put these things into

place. -- football has the resources. Other sports of Little

funding are not able to do that and how, without the money do weep Bush

paedophiles out of that tier of the game. -- do we push paedophiles. How

do we pushed those predators into other areas. We never break the

cycle. -- do we pushed those predators. John, final word. 40

years ago there was no need for anyone to port the rape of a child.

Today nothing has changed. Until it changes there will be no... It is a

vital component of a functioning child protection system and we have

two habit. The government gives the outcome of its consultation... They

do not want it. Absolutely. Just look at the bias in the consultation

paper. They even admitted that the most important piece of evidence, it

was a seven year longitudinal study. I will talk to the sports minister

about this tomorrow. Footballers do what we're doing. The Labour team

taking terribly seriously. Let's bring you a summary of this

morning's news. More former football players have

alleged that they were sexually abused in the sport's youth system

during the 1980s and 90s. Jason Dunford and Chris Unsworth

have waived their right to anonymity to tell this programme -

that they were targeted by the former Crewe Alexandra

coach, Barry Bennell. A total of 7 former footballers have

now spoken out publicly More video footage has emerged

of an attack on a pair of police officers by a group of up to thirty

schoolchildren in South East London. The officers had been trying

to search a suspect for a knife. One of them was beaten to the ground

and kicked in the head, while his colleague was punched

in the jaw when she tried The Crown Prosecution Service has

been given the details of an investigation by the IPCC

into the circumstances surrounding the fatal shooting of Jermaine Baker

in north London last year. Mr Baker died as the result

of a single gunshot wound during a Metropolitan Police

operation in Bracknell Close, That's a summary of the latest news,

join me for BBC Newsroom Here's Hugh now with this

morning's sport headlines. The start of the big

Formula One weekend has begun, even a victory may not guarantee

Lewis Hamilton retains his World Title, but he has

started his challenge well, by setting the fastest time

in first practice ahead Wayne Rooney is the perfect player

and should be 'shown more respect' according

to his Manchester United teammate. Rooney became United's record

goalscorer in Europe in their 4-nil They're yet to reach

the knockout stages. The same is true of Southampton

after their 1-0 defeat They need a goalless draw or a win

in their final group And Joss Buttler will replace

Ben Duckett for England's third Test Buttler will bat at 7 for the match

which starts in the early hours That's all the sport for now

but I'll be back in around Analysts think Black Friday sales

in the UK could top ?2 billion but are the sale prices you see

really as good as they look? Pete Moorey, is Head of Campaigns

at the consumer website Which and Helen Dewdney is a Consumer

expert at the website Is that right? The site is called

that. And you are a blogger? Yes, sorry there was no punctuation in

that sentence whatsoever. Which looked at 20 electrical

items across retailers on Black Friday last year to find

out if the deals were We found that about 40% of the deals

were cheaper later and many more before. So, don't get too carried

away today. It is too late. People have been up since five o'clock.

There are deals out there. I walked down Oxford Street and know when not

big queues. They were all inside. A lot of people online this year. And

that is why they get in the deals. Black Friday has become a big

season, the whole weekend we've seen a lot of deals in the days running

up. The key thing is coming you need to do your research or there is a

danger you about that, see some things online or in shops and you'll

buy it and it won't actually have been the cheapest price. Really, you

can't do this online, but if you are in a store you can ask whether it's

been cheaper before and is likely to get cheaper before Christmas. To

which they will say no and no. Yes, recess the problem green products

you want. Find out what a decent products. A lot of things you will

find last year were things that were on sale last year. If you want the

latest thing, find out about it. Go on our website. We will tell you

what the best TV, copy machine, is. Then resets the price. -- then be

searched the price. We do price tracking. People tweeted outlaws

today. They said they saw something on sale for Black Friday the 90

quid, but they bought it from 40 quid. I think it is and electric

toothbrush. That is naughty. Some of the things we found last year we

have reported the competition authorities and asked them to look

at it. What's your advice to anyone looking

for a bargain today? Do the research online. Just treated

like any sales. It is hard, you get sucked in. The amount of junk

e-mails I've had saying Black Friday, Black Friday 20%, 40%, R.

Certainly I went online. I looked it, some you win, some you lose.

Army Times Dubai things in the sales that you've just bought the week

before. It is the same things. -- how many times do you buy things in

the sales. There was something in their lowest cheaper in another

store. So be cattle of it. People end up buying things they don't

want, or need. It depends what the store is and what the terms and

conditions. If you have bought an item and a change amount on it then

you can take it back to the bigger stores the bigger stores will

usually take it back. But, if you have bought online you have more

rights under the consumer regulations. You have got right

within 14 days you can send it back. But, if you need to look at that

terms and conditions. If there's nothing wrong with it if it not

faulty then you might have to play Willey paper posted. You'd make sure

you are looking at these things. Thank you very much, and thank you

for your patience this morning. Three babies on average are born

addicted to drugs in England every The BBC has gained exclusive access

to the UK's only rehabilitation and treatment centre where mothers

can overcome a drug or alcohol addiction whilst living

with their children. I've been addicted to

heroin for 13 years. I started with recreational drugs,

party drugs, and it led to harder drugs,

crack and heroin. I had a very, very nasty,

nasty habit when I came here. Her son was born addicted to drugs,

but living here means she can keep him

with her. Do you feel a bit calmer now you've

got it? So knowing that you

can do this and... Still have my little man

Often mums like Louise would have their children taken into

This is the only rehab centre in the country where she can live

I mean waking up with this little chap

To have him still with me is amazing,

Because they tried to take him straight from

Do you think you could do this without him?

Around 20 women enter these gates every year.

We've got to keep the

location secret because many are fleeing domestic violence.

They'll have to follow a strict drug and

The hope is they'll leave here in around six months' time,

Louise is graduating from the course.

What have you learned from this last 12 weeks of freedom

But it doesn't mean she'll definitely keep

Louise has just gone into one of the most important meetings

She'll be meeting with her key workers and her

social workers to first of all find out how she's getting on, and, more

importantly, find out how her little boy's getting on and whether they'll

There is still not a 100% chance that I'll be able to keep him.

Right now I'm still pretty shocked to be told that I

Let's speak now to Hannah Shead, who runs the Trevi House

rehabilitation centre featured in that film.

Emma, who doesn't want us to use her surname -

she stayed at the Trevi centre with her twins to

And Dr Ken Checinski, Consultant addiction

psychiatrist at Change, Grow, Live - a service

which supports people affected by substance misuse.

How important is it to keep Mum and child together during recovery?

Incredibly important. Incredibly. What we see is the difference that

it makes for mothers and for children. In terms of them getting

off the drugs? Absolutely. Emma, what drugs were you taking when you

are pregnant with twins? My addiction spiralled out of control

after my twins were born so they were not born dependent on any kind

of substance although I did have a couple of lapses and I was pregnant

and that was crack cocaine and heroin. It was not a very nice thing

to have to live with but I'm trying to do things a better way now. So

that's good. How do you reflect on that time? It's important to

remember it because if I do not it will be easy to go back there. I

never forget it but I don't dwell on it because that could easily take a

back down that road so it's about doing positive right things now.

Ken, you helped about 500 parents over the years, it could be more.

What's the most effective way of getting them clean? The most

effective way of helping people get clean is to look at individual

needs. There is no one size fits all solution. We place a lot of emphasis

on the individual focus to show people respect and to empower them,

I know that wood is overused that to empower them to make their choices,

not my choice is all the nurses choices or the GP's choices or the

nurse's choices, their own choices. What is your view of the mothers

confronting that recovery with their children. It's extremely important

because if we can do anything to break the cycle of addiction for

that family, perhaps other family members have been affected in the

past so if we can do anything to break that cycle that is the most

important thing that parent, that family and also to the children, as

children and perhaps when they grow up to become parents themselves. Is

the stigma of taking drugs while you are pregnant sometimes stop you

asking for help? Without a doubt. The shame, the shame that you feel,

the guilt that you feel, you feel you don't even deserve to be a mum,

you know, it is that strong, even now, it's like a huge thing. I don't

underestimate your courage for doing that. If one person can watch this

and get some hope and realise that there is help out there I want to

speak out and even if it can help one person that is my job done. And

your approach is completely non-judgemental, that's important to

add. Absolutely. What people don't always realise is, women that come

to services like trevi have sometimes been through terrible

childhoods with abuse, none of them choose to end up in this position as

parents or pregnant women with drug and alcohol addiction, and to

overcome some of that stigma really will help women to come forward and

ask for the help they need. How much of a motivating factor is it, Emma,

when you know that your child could be taken from you if you continue

down the drugs route? Huge. By the time I finally reached Trevi, and it

was not a smooth road to get there, I had to fight really hard for it. I

very nearly didn't get there. I was at a point of desperation, I was

desperate, because like you've heard from the other girls in the film, if

I didn't have my twins now I wouldn't be killed. It was that

desperate. 115%! I would not want to be here without my children. I could

not live like that. I need to do something about it. Ken, of course

addiction is a motivating factor, that it children might be removed

from you but you are addicted. It is an illness, a condition, it is not

easy to say, I'm going to stop taking the crack cocaine or

whatever. And the sort of motivation you showed, Emma, is very important.

To use that as a factor. And one aim of our therapy is to ensure that

people turn that sort of external motivation, the threat of losing

children, into their own recovery that they want for themselves in

order to be good parents, rather than just to be good parents. Thank

you all very much, thank you for coming in. Nice to meet you. We

began the programme by talking to four footballers who courageously

talked about the kind of abuse that they have suffered. As young boys,

at the hands of their youth team coach. And so many of you have been

moved by what they were able to say on national television that you got

in touch. We'll talk to Nick Johns in Plymouth. Nick was Steve's former

teacher. Paul Jacobs is in Kent and is involved in football at a

district level and has reported a coach in the past. Thank you very

much for talking to us. As Steve's former teacher what would you like

to say about the way he's spoken out today? Hello, Victoria. It was very

emotional for me to see him and the other lads talking as they did. I

have huge admiration for them. I remember Steve is a little lad of

12, 13, he went off to soccer school, to bigger and better things.

I think he has been extremely brave. As have the others, to speak out as

he has. I think those of us who have the privilege and responsibility of

either teaching or caring, coaching young people, coaching children, it

is a huge responsibility, and it is absolutely awful that these guys

have done what they have done, and others in other areas that we know

of as well. Steve, very best wishes to you in the future. I hope you can

overcome the difficulties you have had, and all the other chaps there,

my heart goes out to you all. Paul, I wonder what impact it had only

watching the four gentlemen talking this morning? Watching the show this

morning I really felt those guys. You can't imagine what they must

have gone through. I had to report someone ten years ago who was

working with players, and fortunately I had the support of

Mike County and I am a youth worker now but I had the support of my

youth worker at the time. I was interviewed by detectives, it went

all the way to Soho Square, where the FA were based at the time.

Fortunately this man is no longer involved in football. Briefly, Paul,

how difficult or otherwise was that decision you made to report that

individual, again, don't name any names. Of course not. It was

extremely difficult because it was a colleague. And from what I saw on a

couple of occasions, I felt extremely uncomfortable.

Fortunately, things have moved on and changed. We now have welfare

offices. -- officers. And CRB checks. All the rest of it. I would

not dream of going into a dressing room with players unless I had

either parents or and a manager with me. Thank you, Paul, Nick, Steve

former teacher. So many people have been in touch, if you would like to

watch a special interview of -- special version of the interview we

did with the four players it will be shown on the BBC News Channel at

8:30pm and you can find the full interview and our programme today.

We will be back on Monday when we will be hearing from children with

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