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Hello it's Monday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling, | :00:07. | :00:09. | |
A landmark legal hearing begins today | :00:10. | :00:11. | |
to determine whether it's the prime minister or Parliament which decides | :00:12. | :00:15. | |
when the UK should begin the process to leave the European Union. | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
All 11 supreme court judges will meet together for the first | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
Their ruling could have far-reaching political | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
It has emerged that an ex-Southampton youth coach | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
accused of sexually abusing boys in the 1980s was able | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
to keep working as a coach until very recently - | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
after he wasn't police checked for his new job. | :00:38. | :00:39. | |
Bob Higgins was cleared of sexual abuse charges in 1992, | :00:40. | :00:41. | |
but had been the subject of a police warning about his behaviour. | :00:42. | :00:48. | |
We speak to one of six former Southampton youth players who say | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
And what would be the one thing you would grab if you were | :00:52. | :01:00. | |
We've been talking to a handful of the millions of Syrians made | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
refugees by six years of fighting about the precious items | :01:05. | :01:06. | |
I took my costume and I put it in the bag, and I left. We all left. | :01:07. | :01:23. | |
When I weather costume, I feel strong. -- when I wear the costume. | :01:24. | :01:34. | |
Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning. | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
We will also have reaction to a major report on integration | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
in Britain which says that for over a decade, | :01:44. | :01:45. | |
local communities to become increasingly divided. | :01:46. | :01:51. | |
Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning - | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE and if you text, you will be charged | :01:56. | :01:57. | |
Italy's prime minister will officially resign this | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
afternoon after losing a referendum on changes to the | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
Matteo Renzi had hoped his plans would streamline parliament and cut | :02:05. | :02:12. | |
bureaucracy, but the poll was widely seen as a chance to register | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
The result was clear and what the Prime Minister felt he had to do | :02:16. | :02:30. | |
next was also. TRANSLATION: I will call a cabinet meeting and I thank | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
my colleagues for an extraordinary adventure. It has been a United, | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
strong combat team. I will then go to the presidential palace, where I | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
will tender my resignation to the president. On paper, the referendum | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
was about a package of plans put forward by the Prime Minister to | :02:47. | :02:50. | |
streamline parliament. But many saw this as a vote on Matteo Renzi | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
himself, and Italy's establishment. During the campaign, he said if the | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
verdict did not go his way, he would resign, perhaps in an attempt to | :03:00. | :03:03. | |
galvanise yes voters. But that did not happen. TRANSLATION: I lost, and | :03:04. | :03:12. | |
I say it loud and clear, even if I have a lump in my throat, because we | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
are not robots. I wasn't able to win. I beg you to believe that I did | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
everything I thought was possible at this stage. This man Beppe Grillo, | :03:20. | :03:30. | |
was a central figure in the campaign behind the no vote. By well-known | :03:31. | :03:33. | |
comedian and political activist, he founded the populace 5-star movement | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
and is used to taking centre stage. Following the result, the party is | :03:39. | :03:41. | |
now calling for a general election, hoping to seize power. TRANSLATION: | :03:42. | :03:48. | |
This is the right time to reunite this country that was divided by the | :03:49. | :03:51. | |
referendum, and to call new elections and have it decided once | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
again. Out on the streets of Rome, no voters celebrate. TRANSLATION: | :03:57. | :04:05. | |
The no vote won. Roma won. It couldn't have gone better than that | :04:06. | :04:11. | |
tonight. TRANSLATION: I think with this vote, Italian people wanted to | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
express not only a note of constitutional reform, but also a | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
firm note of the policies of the government and the European Union. | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
As with the UK's vote to leave the European Union and the United | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
States, this might be seen as a victory for populism over the | :04:29. | :04:29. | |
establishment. Now a summary of the rest | :04:30. | :04:35. | |
of the day's news. A landmark legal hearing begins this | :04:36. | :04:38. | |
morning to determine whether it's the Prime Minister or Parliament | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
which decides when the UK should begin the process | :04:45. | :04:46. | |
to leave the European Union. 11 Supreme Court judges | :04:47. | :04:48. | |
will meet for the first time Their ruling could have | :04:49. | :04:50. | |
far-reaching political This report from our | :04:51. | :04:57. | |
Political Correspondent Iain Watson. Who decides when the UK should | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
begin to leave the EU? That's the question the highest | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
court in the land will be trigger Article 50, the formal | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
start of negotiations. We will invoke Article 50 no later | :05:09. | :05:17. | |
than the end of March next year. But some campaigners won their case | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
at the High Court last month by arguing that | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
because it was parliament which gave us new rights | :05:27. | :05:28. | |
when we first joined the EU, then only parliament and not just | :05:29. | :05:31. | |
government ministers It is not about me or my team, | :05:32. | :05:33. | |
it's about our United Kingdom But the government then announced it | :05:34. | :05:40. | |
would appeal to the Supreme Court which will now listen to a week | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
of legal arguments. So what happens if | :05:46. | :05:53. | |
the Government loses? The judges won't give | :05:54. | :05:54. | |
us their decision until A bill would then be put before | :05:55. | :05:56. | |
Parliament to leave the EU. Opposition MPs would probably | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
try to make changes and might even But Brexit itself | :06:02. | :06:03. | |
isn't in the balance. Most Conservative and Labour MPs | :06:04. | :06:09. | |
will respect the referendum result even if many of those | :06:10. | :06:11. | |
voted to remain. Our legal eagle Clive Coleman is at | :06:12. | :06:27. | |
the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is being watched probably as it has | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
never been watched before. Take us through what will happen today? As | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
you say, I have been covering this court for a long time and I have | :06:37. | :06:39. | |
never seen anything like this, the world's press and the public | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
queueing up, demonstrators dressed as judges. The atmosphere is | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
extraordinary. Today, the government that is bringing this appeal will | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
set out its case. It says amply that in order to enforce the democratic | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
will of the people through the referendum, it is entitled to use | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
what are known as executive or prerogative powers. These are powers | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
that were handed down from the crown from times when kings and queens | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
could do pretty much as they liked, although it is accepted that they | :07:10. | :07:12. | |
can be used by the government in foreign relations, in entering into | :07:13. | :07:18. | |
and withdrawing from treaties. The government will argue that that is | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
what is happening here, that we are simply withdrawing from a treaty. | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
What happened at the High Court was that Gina Miller, the businesswoman, | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
argued successfully that the process of triggering article 50 would wipe | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
away statutory rights enjoyed by the citizens, by you and me, and that | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
only Parliament had the authority to do that. Those are the two sides. | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
Ministers say, we have the executive power to do it, bypassing | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
Parliament. Gina Miller's side argues that no, Parliament creates | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
laws and only Parliament can wipe away those rights. The attorney will | :07:56. | :08:02. | |
open the gates for the government and then he will hand over to | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
Richard James QC, who will be speaking for most of the day. It | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
will be on the nature of the rights that have been passed into British | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
law as a result of our entry into what was the European Economic | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
Community, now the EU. A lot of the argument will focus on the nature of | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
those rights. Are they statutory rights which only Parliament can get | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
rid of, or are they what are known as treaty rights, a vehicle of a | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
treaty, and therefore it is legitimate for the government to act | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
through ministers alone in amending or getting rid of those rights by | :08:36. | :08:42. | |
means of triggering article 50? It may sound like lawyers dancing on | :08:43. | :08:45. | |
the head of a pin, but that is the meat of the argument, the heart of | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
the dispute. And that is the case the government will be outlining | :08:50. | :08:50. | |
today. Some communities in Britain | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
are becoming increasingly divided as they become more ethnically | :08:56. | :08:57. | |
diverse, according to a review The report by Dame Louise Casey | :08:58. | :08:59. | |
warned some areas were struggling to cope with the pace | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
and scale of immigration. She also suggested political leaders | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
had failed to deal with issues of integration for fear | :09:08. | :09:09. | |
of being labelled racist. Here's our political | :09:10. | :09:11. | |
correspondent, Ross Hawkins. It's been 15 years since an official | :09:12. | :09:24. | |
report said different communities in northern towns | :09:25. | :09:27. | |
were leading parallel lives. A report today says worrying levels | :09:28. | :09:29. | |
of segregation remain and the authorities sanction harmful | :09:30. | :09:32. | |
attitudes in the name And while Dame Louise Casey | :09:33. | :09:34. | |
criticises other faiths, she repeatedly focuses on Muslims, | :09:35. | :09:41. | |
saying women and girls get regressive advice | :09:42. | :09:43. | |
about their lifestyles Some women were stopped | :09:44. | :09:44. | |
from getting their basic rights, she says, while there was growing | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
sense of grievance amongst parts But that, Muslim groups say, doesn't | :09:50. | :09:51. | |
give a full or a fair picture. We of course want to ensure that | :09:52. | :10:00. | |
both men and women have equal access Of course there should be no | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
discrimination based on gender. These are realities that Muslim | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
communities as well as communities across the UK will be united | :10:11. | :10:12. | |
in trying to fight together. When she was Home Secretary, | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
Theresa May said the government would do more than any other | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
to promote integration. Today's report says it has fallen | :10:20. | :10:22. | |
short of that ambition. Ministers say they'll | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
study its findings. Fleet Town Football Club | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
says a former coach - accused of abusing youth players | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
at Southampton FC in the 1980s - The BBC has spoken to six former | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
footballers who have made Until recently, he worked | :10:38. | :10:45. | |
with Fleet Town's adult first team Meanwhile, three former footballers | :10:46. | :10:48. | |
who lifted the lid on alleged, widespread child sexual abuse | :10:49. | :10:58. | |
in the game have announced they're forming an independent organisation | :10:59. | :11:00. | |
to support other potential victims. Andy Woodward, Steve Walters | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
and Chris Unsworth want the "Offside Trust" to represent | :11:04. | :11:04. | |
players and their families. Since they spoke out, | :11:05. | :11:07. | |
hundreds more alleged 18 police forces are now | :11:08. | :11:15. | |
investigating related claims. A fire at a hotel in the Pakistani | :11:16. | :11:18. | |
city of Karachi has killed The blaze started in | :11:19. | :11:25. | |
the kitchen and swept Dozens of people are being treated | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
for burns and other injuries. At least 33 people are now known | :11:29. | :11:35. | |
to have died in a warehouse fire in California, and its feared | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
the death toll could rise further. The fire broke out in the Oakland | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
warehouse on Friday Authorities say only about 20 | :11:45. | :11:46. | |
percent of the building has been searched so far, | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
and they say a significant number The US President elect, | :11:51. | :11:52. | |
Donald Trump has attacked the policies of China in a series | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
of strongly-worded tweets. He accused Beijing of currency | :11:56. | :11:58. | |
manipulation and flexing Last week, Mr Trump was criticised | :11:59. | :11:59. | |
for taking a phone call from the President of Taiwan, | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
an island the US hasn't had diplomatic ties | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
with for almost 40 years. That's a summary of the latest BBC | :12:08. | :12:15. | |
News - more at 9.30. Still to come, we will speak to a | :12:16. | :12:31. | |
former Southampton player who says he was abused by a former coach | :12:32. | :12:32. | |
there. Now let's catch up with the sport. | :12:33. | :12:41. | |
An astonishing comeback from Bournemouth in the Premier League | :12:42. | :12:44. | |
yesterday? Absolutely, a matter for the neutrals. Certainly for the | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
Bournemouth fans. One of the comebacks of the Premier League | :12:50. | :12:58. | |
season so far. This goal from Emre Can set Bournemouth up -- set | :12:59. | :13:06. | |
Liverpool up for what looked like a certain win, but Bournemouth pulled | :13:07. | :13:09. | |
another goal back and then they scored this one to level the match, | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
defender Stephen Cook in the right place at the right time. That | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
certainly felt like a victory, but they were not done, and they managed | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
to get that winning goal to make it 4-3. An incredible turnaround for | :13:24. | :13:36. | |
Bournemouth. And disappointment for Liverpool, who suffered a dent to | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
their title challenge. But Jurgen Klopp was smiling at the end of the | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
match. Obviously disappointed that his side let that Winslet, but he | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
appreciated the incredible turnaround for Bournemouth and felt | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
that they deserved it. But a frustrating afternoon for Manchester | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
United? They have had many frustrating this season. Jose | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
Mourinho is unhappy again that his side continue to let points slip | :14:00. | :14:04. | |
from winning positions. They were leading 1-0 thanks to a lovely goal | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
from striker Zlatan Ibrahimovic. Look at this for a lovely volley. It | :14:09. | :14:18. | |
just drops in over the line. Jose Mourinho thought the win was on at | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
that point until this happened. Marouane Fellaini, who had been | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
brought in as a substitute, putting his first contribution to give that | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
penalty away. The result was Leighton Baines scoring to see it | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
finished 1-1. Hugely disappointing for Marouane Fellaini, brought on to | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
defend that lead. Jose Mourinho feels that his side's performances | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
are not getting the victories they deserve. As you can imagine, he was | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
hugely frustrated at the end of the match. He would not talk about the | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
penalty decision and he is annoyed that his team keep letting those | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
leads slip. Family, snooker. A high-quality UK championship final | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
last night. Yeah, on social media, everyone was saying it was one of | :15:02. | :15:04. | |
the greatest finals they had ever witnessed, Mark Selby winning by ten | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
frames to seven. That doesn't tell the full story. He was up against | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
Ronnie O'Sullivan, who has won many times before. He actually came from | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
five frames down. But Mark Selby did what he had to do to close out the | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
match 10-7. He becomes only the sixth player to win both the world | :15:23. | :15:31. | |
and UK titles in the same year. It demonstrates what high-quality they | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
thought it was. Six time world champion Steve Davis said last | :15:36. | :15:37. | |
night, while it is difficult to judge in rows, Selby is one of the | :15:38. | :15:41. | |
greats already. If he doesn't know how great he is, he should just | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
watch the tape of that match. Thank you, John. | :15:46. | :15:55. | |
Judges in the most powerful court in the UK will today start hearing | :15:56. | :15:58. | |
the Government's argument that it has the right to start the process | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
of leaving the European Union without a debate in Parliament. | :16:03. | :16:03. | |
Last month the High Court ruled that Ministers needed to seek | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
the approval of parliament before triggering Article 50, | :16:07. | :16:07. | |
which is the formal beginning of negotiations to end Britain's 40 | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
But the Government is appealing that decision. | :16:12. | :16:14. | |
The 11 Judges of the Supreme Court will hear four days of evidence | :16:15. | :16:16. | |
in what has been described as the most significant | :16:17. | :16:18. | |
Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty lays down the rules for any country | :16:19. | :16:39. | |
wanting to leave the EU. Once it is triggered it starts a two year clock | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
running after which the UK will exit. | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
But the arguments become about how under the law this process should | :16:48. | :16:56. | |
work? This all seems like a long time ago. The new Prime Minister's | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
message was clear, that... Brexit means Brexit. We will invoke Article | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
50 no later than the end of March next year. | :17:06. | :17:16. | |
Then Gina Miller came along. She is a businesswoman who with others | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
decided to launch the legal case against the Government. Her argument | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
is that even though the country voted for Brexit, Theresa May and | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
her Cabinet, does not have the legal power to trigger Article 50. But | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
only legislationks an Act of Parliament can give her that | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
authority. Last month Gina Miller won her case at the High Court. It | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
is about our United Kingdom and all our futures. It threw the whole | :17:46. | :17:52. | |
Brexit process into turmoil. It sparked talk of a snap general | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
election. And the three High Court judges were plastered all over the | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
papers. So the Government's appealing at the Supreme Court. It | :18:03. | :18:13. | |
is the highest court in the land. The Government will appeal to all 11 | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
of the court's justices. It is the first time they ever all proceeded | :18:19. | :18:22. | |
over a case. They're independent and ruling on a point of law. But there | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
have been calls for the president of the Supreme Court to step aside | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
after reports his wife had tweeted that Brexit votes were just protest | :18:34. | :18:41. | |
votes. And deputy president Lady Hale has | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
already said that Brexit was not legally binding. | :18:46. | :18:55. | |
Win or lose, Mrs May could end up in a fight with the Scottish | :18:56. | :18:58. | |
Government. Either she will be triggering Article 50 herself or | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
she'll push through an Act of Parliament. Scotland will never | :19:03. | :19:08. | |
agree to that because it goes against their Remain vote. SNPs will | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
not vote for anything that undermines the will of the Scottish | :19:13. | :19:15. | |
people. So a second independence referendum could be on the cards. | :19:16. | :19:23. | |
General election, Brexit in total chaos, the consequences of whatever | :19:24. | :19:26. | |
happens in here this week could change the UK forever. | :19:27. | :19:34. | |
Let's speak to Anne-Marie Trevelyan, a Conservative MP and board member | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
Chuka Umunna, a Labour MP, who voted to Remain in the EU. | :19:39. | :19:46. | |
Stephen Gethins, the SNP spokesperson on Europe, Tom Brake, | :19:47. | :19:49. | |
the Liberal Democrat Chief Whip, Peter Whittle, the Deputy Leader | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
of Ukip and from our Cardiff studio Leanne Wood, the leader of Plaid | :19:55. | :20:12. | |
Thank you very much for joining us. I'll come to you first of all | :20:13. | :20:21. | |
Stephen, the SNP argued for Scotland's voice to be heard in the | :20:22. | :20:22. | |
hearings at the Supreme Court. Why is this a father for the courts? The | :20:23. | :20:23. | |
people have had their say? Well, we live in a Parliamentary democracy | :20:24. | :20:25. | |
and since Vote Leave didn't give us any details about what their plans | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
are, it is right we scrutinise their plans. Democracy doesn't begin and | :20:31. | :20:31. | |
end in Westminster. The Westminster Government has legislated for areas | :20:32. | :20:31. | |
of responsibility to the Scottish Parliament. Now, any plans to leave | :20:32. | :20:32. | |
the European Union will have a significant impact on the areas of | :20:33. | :20:35. | |
responsibility of the Scottish Parliament, the same with the Welsh | :20:36. | :20:38. | |
Assembly and in Northern Ireland as well. So it is only right and proper | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
that the Scottish Parliament has a say just as it has had a say on | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
issues when they have been raised in the past. Leanne Wood, the Welsh | :20:48. | :20:52. | |
Government will have its voice heard at this hearing. The Welsh | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
Government's top legal advisor saying similar to the argument that | :20:57. | :20:59. | |
we're hearing from Stephen, when Wales voted in the EU referendum, | :21:00. | :21:05. | |
the margin in favour of leaving was 5%. Why go against that? Well, we're | :21:06. | :21:12. | |
concerned about the how we leave the European Union. We accept that | :21:13. | :21:18. | |
people in Wales voted to leave. So the whether is decided, it is the | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
how is the question and the incompetence and the readilessness | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
that we see from the Tories in Westminster, the lack of a plan, | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
there are grave dangers for Wales. So we're not prepared to give the | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
Tories a blank cheque and just back this no matter what. It is not a | :21:37. | :21:43. | |
case of the rest of us jumping off a clip together. We will vote in the | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
best interests of Wales, just in the same way as Stephen intends to vote | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
in Scotland's best interests. Ann-Marie, the Government is not | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
making clear its position. People are agitating to whether to work out | :21:58. | :22:07. | |
what Brexit means? Well, I think the Government has been clear. The view | :22:08. | :22:08. | |
was taken after the referendum which had a clear mandate for leave that | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
they would set about triggering Article 50... But no one know what | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
is it means? Leaving the EU. The Customs Union and the ECJ authority, | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
taking back control of our migration and all those issues that we have | :22:22. | :22:28. | |
chewed over. That's questions weren't on the ballot paper. Whether | :22:29. | :22:31. | |
we remain or leave the European Union. Absolutely. What follow from | :22:32. | :22:42. | |
that, we have no, you know, the public has not been told about. The | :22:43. | :22:49. | |
Prime Minister is behaving as if we live in some elected dictatorship | :22:50. | :22:52. | |
the she is saying, "Look, the country voted to leave the European | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
Union and therefore, I get to dictate the way in which that | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
happens." Why doesn't the Government let Parliament discuss this? What's | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
the problem? I'm relaxed about this. . . Point we are living in a | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
Parliamentary democracy with an independent judiciary and we are | :23:13. | :23:15. | |
lucky that we live in that environment is that, a member of, | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
you know, our country has challenged what the Government was propose to | :23:21. | :23:23. | |
go do to meet what that referendum result said and say, you know, I | :23:24. | :23:26. | |
think it should go through Parliament. Personally, I have no | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
problem, if that's where we end up. Why is the Government fighting this? | :23:32. | :23:37. | |
No, because it went to the High Court and a decision was taken. The | :23:38. | :23:39. | |
Government is regularly in the law courts on various issues, that's | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
what governments do to test it. But we have said the laws and if our | :23:44. | :23:46. | |
independent judges reach the conclusion in the Supreme Court that | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
we should put through a Bill to trigger Article 50, I'm confident of | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
that and I'm confident we will have that go through because there are | :23:56. | :23:58. | |
too many MPs that would not challenge the will of the people. | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
Does the Government have anything to fear by this going through | :24:03. | :24:05. | |
Parliament? I think not. I think the Government has everything to gain | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
because I think what the Government needs to recognise is this about | :24:10. | :24:12. | |
Parliamentary sovereignty. Parliamentary sovereignty was a | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
feature of the Brexit campaign. Now, what Parliament, what the Government | :24:18. | :24:20. | |
should do is enable Parliament to have its say on this critical | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
matter, in relation to Article 50, what I hope the Government will also | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
concede is that there should be a vote to allow people at the end of | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
the process, but before we leave the European Union to allow people to | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
vote on what the Government, what deal they have secured because, of | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
course, as Chuka Umunna was saying, people voted to leave the EU, but | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
what they did not vote for, because it was not explained and not on the | :24:46. | :24:48. | |
table was what position the Government was going to adopt on a | :24:49. | :24:51. | |
host of issues from the single market, through to the Customs | :24:52. | :25:01. | |
Union, through to the freedom of movement. I want to let Peter come | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
in. What you're saying is people are too thick to understand what they're | :25:06. | :25:08. | |
being asked. People knew exactly what they were voting for. They knew | :25:09. | :25:11. | |
exactly. What that meant was coming out of the EU, control of our our | :25:12. | :25:17. | |
borders and own sovereigntry. You talk about Parliamentary | :25:18. | :25:19. | |
sovereignty, Tom. You didn't care about that for years and years. Hang | :25:20. | :25:33. | |
on. During the Scottish independence referendum there was a 670 page | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
white paper. Many people didn't agree with that and I accept that | :25:38. | :25:41. | |
and we lost. Plus there were plans for consulting with all the | :25:42. | :25:44. | |
Parliamentary leaders in the event of a Yes vote and to be fair to | :25:45. | :25:47. | |
David Cameron, he sat down with Alex Salmond and he hammered out an | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
Edinburgh agreement so the question of legality was dealt with. Vote | :25:52. | :26:01. | |
Leave carried out a gross error of irresponsibility. Vote Leave was | :26:02. | :26:06. | |
chaotic and the way it has been dealt with by the Government is | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
utterly chaotic. They are leading us down a road that will have an impact | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
on jobs and the economy and every single person. The referendum was a | :26:15. | :26:20. | |
binding, binary question, Vote Leave was the campaign group which was | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
given the authority to run the campaign to leave which was similar | :26:25. | :26:30. | |
to leave the EU and so leaving the single market, even the Prime | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
Minister who was fighting for remain said that's what it meant. Very | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
clear. If there was one key plenl the Leave campaign made if we leave | :26:40. | :26:43. | |
the European Union ?350 million extra per week would go to the NHS. | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
That was something that five current Cabinet Ministers went around the | :26:48. | :26:50. | |
country telling your viewers would happen and we have seen precious | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
little indication... Is the only way now to be absolutely clear what the | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
people want is to have a general election. We have had the | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
by-election in Richmond, Tom Brake, your party has an MP saying she has | :27:06. | :27:14. | |
a mandate to vote against Article 50 because that's been clearly been | :27:15. | :27:17. | |
said by the constituents there? What the by-election does is tell our | :27:18. | :27:20. | |
Prime Minister that she is supposed to be representing the whole of the | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
country. She seems to have conveniently forgotten that 48% of | :27:26. | :27:28. | |
people voted to remain and she also appears to have forgotten that in | :27:29. | :27:35. | |
that 52% who voted to leave, there were large numbers of people who | :27:36. | :27:38. | |
actually wanted for instance to stay in the single market. She seems to | :27:39. | :27:41. | |
have completely disregarded that and is running on a hard Brexit agenda, | :27:42. | :27:47. | |
a Conservative hard Brexit agenda which will do our economy a huge | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
amount of... Tom, you could be clear by what you mean by a single market? | :27:54. | :27:59. | |
How mean the internal market of trade? Is that what you are talking | :28:00. | :28:02. | |
about? For me, there is control of our borders? There is the ECJ, a | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
trading union or atry market agreement. What is it you talk | :28:07. | :28:08. | |
about? When you say the single market? What do you mean? I don't | :28:09. | :28:15. | |
know what you mean. What I'm saying to you, your party is in power. Your | :28:16. | :28:23. | |
party has got to explain to people what it is they're going to | :28:24. | :28:24. | |
negotiate. Well, that's what we'll do. We're going into the wider | :28:25. | :28:30. | |
arguments. I want to bring in Leanne Wood. Leanne Wood... If we're | :28:31. | :28:39. | |
looking at the claims that were made during the referendum then a lot was | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
said about the Norway model. Now the Norway model retains our membership | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
of the single market. It keeps an element of free movement of people, | :28:50. | :28:54. | |
although there is an ability to restrict that by making availial a | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
place for people who have a job. Now, that's something that we could | :28:59. | :29:01. | |
look at as something that would be a good model for Wales, it wouldn't | :29:02. | :29:07. | |
put at risk the 200,000 jobs that rely on our access and membership to | :29:08. | :29:13. | |
the single market... That's just membership of the EU. No, it is not. | :29:14. | :29:16. | |
Norway is not a member of the EU. They are outside the EU, but they | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
are inside the single market. Sorry to interrupt you. This is something | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
we should consider for the future. Hang on. I just want to ask you, how | :29:28. | :29:33. | |
you think, how you think this is playing in Europe? We're hearing | :29:34. | :29:37. | |
from Europe that we are looking at what's going on here and they are | :29:38. | :29:40. | |
saying, "There is no clear strategy." There is a new lead are | :29:41. | :29:49. | |
of Ukip. But in the end if we want to adopt the best deal for the UK, | :29:50. | :30:02. | |
which I think all of us want here, we have different views on what that | :30:03. | :30:05. | |
might look like. You have to illustrate there is a self interest | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
for the other 27 member states to give us the deal we want. So we have | :30:10. | :30:12. | |
got to put enough on the table that shows actually... Take the country, | :30:13. | :30:13. | |
how important, it is important, isn't it, to take the country | :30:14. | :30:15. | |
obviously, the 52% who voted out to get it right? Yes, absolutely. This | :30:16. | :30:23. | |
is why, in terms of what was intended by the No vote, the vote to | :30:24. | :30:29. | |
leave, it isn't clear what people wanted in terms of the detail beyond | :30:30. | :30:32. | |
leaving which is why it is important that Parliament gets a say, but with | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
our 27 other EU partners, it is not just about immigration and the | :30:37. | :30:39. | |
economy that we're talking about, there is a lot more that Britain can | :30:40. | :30:44. | |
offer. For example, co-operation on security and intelligence. We have | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
superior intelligence services to most of the member states. That's | :30:49. | :30:56. | |
why we should incorporate? Part of the thing you say to them when | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
you're trying it get a deal, that's one of the things you get from us | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
and we can offer you. We are at the start of a week-long process on the | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
hearings at the Supreme Court. So hopefully we'll hear your views | :31:09. | :31:11. | |
again and you can come back. You're welcome. There is plenty to talk | :31:12. | :31:14. | |
about. Thank you very much indeed for joining us and let us know your | :31:15. | :31:16. | |
thoughts as well. Italy is facing a day of political | :31:17. | :31:21. | |
and financial turbulence following the defeat | :31:22. | :31:25. | |
of Prime Minister Matteo Renzi's He will resign, and his | :31:26. | :31:27. | |
imminent departure has The developments are likely | :31:28. | :31:31. | |
to overshadow a meeting of Eurozone A landmark legal hearing begins | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
today which will determine who has the authority to begin the process | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
of the UK leaving The Supreme Court will hear | :31:42. | :31:44. | |
an appeal from the Government, which believes it has the right | :31:45. | :31:51. | |
to trigger Article 50 The 11 justices will meet | :31:52. | :31:53. | |
for the first time in the court's history in a hearing | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
which will last four days. Public institutions have too often | :31:58. | :31:59. | |
ignored, or even condoned divisive and harmful religious practices | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
for fear of being labelled racist, according to | :32:06. | :32:07. | |
a government-commissioned review. In her 200-page report, | :32:08. | :32:14. | |
Dame Louise Casey suggests among other things that | :32:15. | :32:16. | |
immigrants intending to settle in Britain should take | :32:17. | :32:19. | |
an "integration oath". Fleet Town Football Club | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
says a former coach accused of abusing youth players | :32:24. | :32:26. | |
at Southampton FC in the 1980s The BBC has spoken to six former | :32:27. | :32:30. | |
footballers who have made Until recently, he worked | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
with Fleet Town's adult first team That's a summary of the latest BBC | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
News - more at 10.00. Bournemouth produced one | :32:40. | :32:48. | |
of the comebacks of the season with less than half an hour left, | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
but fought back to win 4-3. Afterwards, Liverpool manager | :32:53. | :32:58. | |
Jurgen Klopp said Bournemouth Elsewhere, Everton and | :32:59. | :33:00. | |
Manchester United drew 1-1. There was another remarkable | :33:01. | :33:06. | |
comeback in the second Non-league Curzon Ashton led | :33:07. | :33:08. | |
Wimbledon 3-0 with just 10 minutes left, but their hopes were shattered | :33:09. | :33:13. | |
when the League One side Elsewhere, National League | :33:14. | :33:15. | |
side Barrow beat League from Ronnie O'Sullivan | :33:16. | :33:19. | |
to win his second UK Championship Selby had led 6-2 after the first | :33:20. | :33:27. | |
session and held his nerve to | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
eventually win 10-7. And Wasps have moved up to second | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
in Rugby Union's Premiership. They're now just a point | :33:37. | :33:38. | |
behind leaders Saracens after a comfortable | :33:39. | :33:40. | |
win at Worcester. It's now more than two weeks | :33:41. | :33:50. | |
since several former football players came forward | :33:51. | :33:54. | |
with allegations of historic child Since then, the inquiry into child | :33:55. | :33:56. | |
sex abuse in football has broadened in scope beyond what anyone | :33:57. | :34:02. | |
could have imagined. with allegations of historical child | :34:03. | :34:04. | |
abuse suffered at football clubs. And 18 police forces | :34:05. | :34:10. | |
are involved in investigations. In the latest development, | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
Fleet Town football club has confirmed that a man | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
who was on the coaching staff, despite being at the centre | :34:20. | :34:21. | |
of historical sex abuse allegations, Bob Higgins, who was a former youth | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
development officer at Southampton, has been named by a number of former | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
youth players, who claimed to police Here's what we know | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
so far about the inquiry. BBC South's Home Affairs | :34:34. | :35:56. | |
correspondent, Emma Vardy, is at Southampton football club | :35:57. | :35:58. | |
for us. Talk us through these latest | :35:59. | :36:11. | |
allegations? Well, in recent days a number of former Southampton players | :36:12. | :36:14. | |
have been coming forward alleging that Bob Higgins abused them. I | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
myself have spoken to six former Southampton youth team players who | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
have described their allegations. In the '80s, Bob Higgins was the youth | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
development click here. He had a lot of power over careers. He was | :36:29. | :36:31. | |
someone that schoolboy footballers looked up to and he brought a number | :36:32. | :36:38. | |
of players into the club's ranks. In 1992, Higgins faced charges for | :36:39. | :36:42. | |
sexual abuse. He was cleared of those on the direction of a judge. | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
But five years later, a letter was sent to schools and youth groups, | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
and in its police and social services said they had concerns that | :36:51. | :36:55. | |
Bob Higgins pose a risk to children. Despite this, later on Bob Higgins | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
went on to join the coaching team at Fleet Town football club with their | :37:00. | :37:06. | |
first team. And Fleet Town have said that they did not carry out any | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
criminal records check on him? That's right, Fleet Town said last | :37:13. | :37:15. | |
night that Bob Higgins is no longer involved with the club. They | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
explained that no police checks were made when he joined, because his | :37:20. | :37:23. | |
role did not involve working with children. But the FA has said that | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
these checks are not required within what the FA calls open age football. | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
If unenhanced cheque had been made, it is likely that it would have | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
flagged up those concerns that were raised in that letter in 1997. | :37:38. | :37:42. | |
Meanwhile, Southampton Football Club has given its full support to any | :37:43. | :37:48. | |
police investigation for however long it takes. | :37:49. | :37:51. | |
In a moment, we'll talk to Dean Radford, who Emma Vardy | :37:52. | :37:53. | |
was just referring to as being the latest former football | :37:54. | :37:56. | |
He's waived his right to anonymity to talk to us today. | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
But as we've just heard, Bob Higgins was charged with six | :38:02. | :38:04. | |
counts of indecent assault of young boys. | :38:05. | :38:06. | |
In 1991, Mr Higgins was acquitted of all counts on the direction | :38:07. | :38:12. | |
of the trial judge and has always denied | :38:13. | :38:14. | |
Despite this, Hampshire Police and social services | :38:15. | :38:18. | |
were so concerned that they alerted local youth groups in the area | :38:19. | :38:21. | |
Until recently, he was still working as a first time coach at Fleet Town. | :38:22. | :38:27. | |
The club now says he has left the club. | :38:28. | :38:33. | |
Prior to joining Fleet, Bob Higgins was a youth development | :38:34. | :38:35. | |
officer at Southampton, responsible for trying | :38:36. | :38:37. | |
to discover the future stars of English football. | :38:38. | :38:43. | |
The skills they are working on in the gym give them the facility to | :38:44. | :38:51. | |
practise with. And hopefully, they will develop into better players. | :38:52. | :38:54. | |
The Fleet Town chairman Steve Cantle sent us this statement: | :38:55. | :39:00. | |
"The Fleet Town Football Club has received no notification from either | :39:01. | :39:03. | |
the FA or the Police in respect of allegations made about anyone | :39:04. | :39:06. | |
Bob Higgins is no longer involved at the Fleet Town Football Club. | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
The club can confirm that Bob Higgins has previously been | :39:11. | :39:12. | |
involved at the club at different times, on an informal | :39:13. | :39:15. | |
unpaid basis as a coach for our adult 1st team side. | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
His involvement was limited to assisting the coaching team | :39:20. | :39:21. | |
with the adult first-team squad of players. | :39:22. | :39:23. | |
Our first team is currently the club's only side." | :39:24. | :39:31. | |
We can talk now to Dean Radford. You were 13 when you were asked to go to | :39:32. | :39:42. | |
Southampton for some trials and practice. For a boy of 13 who had | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
dreams of becoming a football star, how exciting was that? Yes, | :39:48. | :39:55. | |
basically, it was the opportunity of a lifetime. It was something that as | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
a child, you just want to become a professional footballer. And this | :40:02. | :40:07. | |
was the opportunity you saw in front of you and you felt so lucky and | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
excited, and you wanted to embrace it. How did you regard the coaches | :40:12. | :40:19. | |
and the people around you in that environment? Basically, Bob Higgins, | :40:20. | :40:25. | |
who I can name now, he helped so much power. In the football club, | :40:26. | :40:33. | |
there wasn't a panel of selectors or judges. It was basically Bob Higgins | :40:34. | :40:39. | |
that made the decision and held that power. He had something that every | :40:40. | :40:45. | |
child wanted. And they wanted it badly. So he had that power and he | :40:46. | :40:51. | |
made that decision on his own. When you were 14, you formally signed as | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
an associated schoolboy, which took the club's commitment to you to | :40:56. | :40:58. | |
another level. You were travelling to the club from your home in | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
Bristol and at that stage, Bob Higgins started to ask you to stay | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
over at his home. How did you feel about that? To be honest, at first I | :41:08. | :41:15. | |
was excited. I felt privileged. It was like an honour to have this guy | :41:16. | :41:20. | |
who I looked up to that was going to decide my future for me to open his | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
doors to me and take me into his home. And you were not the only | :41:25. | :41:31. | |
player staying at his house. How did you see him behaving around other | :41:32. | :41:37. | |
players? As soon as I started to stay at his home, that was when my | :41:38. | :41:43. | |
eyes were opened to the touching on the cuddling and the affection that | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
he was giving towards myself and other players. But again, it was | :41:48. | :41:56. | |
something that I sort of embraced, because when he wanted me to be part | :41:57. | :41:59. | |
of that and he told me the reasons why, then you believed him. His | :42:00. | :42:06. | |
reasons were that I needed to trust him, and we could go a long way | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
together and he could make me a star, and that was what you | :42:12. | :42:14. | |
believed. And you went along with it. When you talk about the touching | :42:15. | :42:18. | |
and cuddling, described more about what you mean by that and what you | :42:19. | :42:27. | |
saw in the house? Well, just in the house alone, you would be cuddled up | :42:28. | :42:39. | |
with him on the settee, but you would also... It just wasn't normal | :42:40. | :42:43. | |
when you look back. At the time, you it and you felt wanted by him, but | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
then it led to other things. At the time, I didn't question it. I felt | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
grateful, because he would go to bed and then he would call me into his | :42:53. | :42:55. | |
bedroom and I would go into his bedroom and it would be pitch black, | :42:56. | :42:59. | |
and I would stand at the end of his bed while he was in bed, asking me | :43:00. | :43:06. | |
questions about my training and I have to tell him how much I want to | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
be a professional and how far I was prepared to go, would I run through | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
brick walls for him? It was like he was grooming me. You did ultimately | :43:16. | :43:23. | |
make allegations to police about the way he treated you. Those | :43:24. | :43:29. | |
allegations then went to court and on the directions of the judge, he | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
was cleared. Tell us more about the specific allegations you made? I was | :43:35. | :43:41. | |
told at the time that I couldn't discuss the other things that were | :43:42. | :43:48. | |
going on at the home in his bedroom, in the car, even. The one incident | :43:49. | :43:54. | |
that happened to me was on a residential schoolboy which, where I | :43:55. | :43:59. | |
developed an injury in the bottom of my spine and he asked me back to the | :44:00. | :44:14. | |
bedroom. And he told me he was going to massage the bruising from the | :44:15. | :44:20. | |
bottom of my spine. So I had to pull my shorts down, and lay down. I lay | :44:21. | :44:32. | |
face down, and he basically inserted his fingers into my backside. That | :44:33. | :44:39. | |
went on for about 20 or 30 seconds. As I mentioned, this is an | :44:40. | :44:45. | |
allegation that went to court and on the judge's orders, he was cleared | :44:46. | :44:53. | |
of the allegations against him. Did that mean that you subsequently put | :44:54. | :44:59. | |
behind you the sorts of things you are talking about? Not at all. There | :45:00. | :45:04. | |
are certain things I can't talk about about the court case. But | :45:05. | :45:12. | |
after that, I was 21 when I went to court. You think you are going to | :45:13. | :45:19. | |
get over it and move on and have your own children. But that doesn't | :45:20. | :45:26. | |
happen. I am a happy guy, I have a fantastic wife, fantastic family and | :45:27. | :45:31. | |
children, everything is amazing. But he scarred me. And as I get older, | :45:32. | :45:38. | |
it gets worse to try and forget about, because the time is going on | :45:39. | :45:42. | |
and you think to yourself, I am not going to forget about it. And there | :45:43. | :45:46. | |
are times when I go very dark places. Obviously, around now, it is | :45:47. | :45:54. | |
not a good time, because it is all out there. But I'm glad it is out, | :45:55. | :45:57. | |
because it is something I have to deal with burying it. | :45:58. | :46:35. | |
You don't want to know that other people have been affected by I have. | :46:36. | :46:44. | |
By the things that have gone. We would like to encourage more people | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
to come forward. Thank you very much indeed for | :46:50. | :46:53. | |
talking to us, Dean Radford, thank you. | :46:54. | :47:03. | |
The civil war in Syria is almost six-years-old. | :47:04. | :47:11. | |
The vicious fighting amongst the various factions has led to more | :47:12. | :47:12. | |
than 11 million people being forced from their homes. | :47:13. | :47:13. | |
The International Medical Corps has been interviewing some | :47:14. | :47:14. | |
of those refugees in Turkey about what precious possession | :47:15. | :47:15. | |
they grabbed before they fled, in work funded by the European | :47:16. | :47:17. | |
My name is Kotha Johani from a village in the Homs countryside. | :47:18. | :48:35. | |
Another child of mine, they took him by force. | :48:36. | :48:44. | |
They said he was with Al-Nusra Front and arrested him. | :48:45. | :48:45. | |
I haven't heard anything about him for four years. | :48:46. | :48:51. | |
I came to Turkey and it's been so hard. | :48:52. | :48:59. | |
I love coffee and my grandfather and uncles and husband loved it too. | :49:00. | :49:01. | |
This coffee pot I took everywhere, if I went on a picnic, everywhere. | :49:02. | :49:09. | |
It stayed with me and it stays all the time. | :49:10. | :49:18. | |
When the airstrike happened I was sitting in the house. | :49:19. | :49:21. | |
We were drinking coffee and I went to wash the plates and cups | :49:22. | :49:27. | |
and I immediately put it in a black bag. | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
I asked my son to find a car so we could leave. | :49:32. | :49:39. | |
I like coffee more than food, more than anything. | :49:40. | :49:59. | |
If it's morning or night, I'll still drink coffee. | :50:00. | :50:08. | |
My name is Layla and I'm 22 years old. | :50:09. | :50:13. | |
The day that I left, it was in 2014, it was in October. | :50:14. | :50:27. | |
In that time, the Islamic State, they were about to control the area | :50:28. | :50:32. | |
I heard from the radio they were saying they are coming, | :50:33. | :50:41. | |
so it means that it's the time that we have to think to run | :50:42. | :50:45. | |
Me and my family, we just tried to find a way to run. | :50:46. | :51:00. | |
The moment we decided to leave, my father was calling us | :51:01. | :51:01. | |
to ride the car quickly, we have to move now. | :51:02. | :51:04. | |
I just took some of my fashion books. | :51:05. | :51:12. | |
In that moment, when I took it, nothing came to my mind. | :51:13. | :51:15. | |
Only my fashion books came to my mind, that | :51:16. | :51:17. | |
I have to save them, because all my ideas | :51:18. | :51:19. | |
I'm helping my family and I can't focus more on designing | :51:20. | :51:29. | |
like I was doing before but sometimes when I have free time, | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
I definitely go back to design something. | :51:34. | :51:41. | |
When I hold my books and when I check it, | :51:42. | :51:44. | |
I remember all the moments I was painting clothes, | :51:45. | :51:46. | |
I was designing, and how it was coming to my mind. | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
It makes me feel like I go back in time. | :51:52. | :51:54. | |
I go back to the time that I made those designs. | :51:55. | :51:56. | |
It makes me feel happy and sad at the same time. | :51:57. | :52:02. | |
Happy because I see my designs as something very nice. | :52:03. | :52:04. | |
Actually, I am proud of each design I am making because it looks | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
like a different thing, a modern thing. | :52:09. | :52:11. | |
And sad because it makes me remember the sad moments | :52:12. | :52:13. | |
I was living in Syria, designing at the same time. | :52:14. | :52:28. | |
The bombers came and the army came and destroyed our house. | :52:29. | :53:03. | |
They shot fire and destroyed all my toys. | :53:04. | :53:12. | |
They didn't leave a single piece of them. | :53:13. | :53:18. | |
As the plane was coming and bombing, I was scared. | :53:19. | :53:27. | |
I took the Spiderman costume and I put it in the bag and I left. | :53:28. | :53:47. | |
I will be a fighter and go fight Bashar. | :53:48. | :54:00. | |
When I have the costume, I feel strong. | :54:01. | :54:12. | |
I'm from Hama, from a town called Halfaya. | :54:13. | :54:34. | |
I was a painter and decorator in Syria and from that work I bought | :54:35. | :54:37. | |
The shop was going well and I had good customers. | :54:38. | :54:46. | |
They came and went until the beginning of the revolution. | :54:47. | :55:00. | |
The bombs would sometimes hit our village. | :55:01. | :55:02. | |
One day, the shelling in our village came early | :55:03. | :55:07. | |
I took my family, my son and my wife, to the basement. | :55:08. | :55:21. | |
The only thing I brought with me was my brother's shirt. | :55:22. | :55:41. | |
He wasn't just my brother but my friend. | :55:42. | :56:04. | |
He was everything a friend should be. | :56:05. | :56:06. | |
We would chat about anything and everything. | :56:07. | :56:11. | |
When I hold the shirt, I feel sad and happy. | :56:12. | :56:29. | |
I feel happy it's something from him. | :56:30. | :56:32. | |
I don't know how to explain what I think but I feel happy | :56:33. | :56:42. | |
I hope my children's future is better than ours. | :56:43. | :56:53. | |
I hope that God sends them nicer days, better than the life we left. | :56:54. | :57:11. | |
Hello, my name is Nur and I'm ten years old. | :57:12. | :57:26. | |
When I left Syria I took my doctor's kit. | :57:27. | :57:32. | |
Her name is Lucy but I couldn't take her with me because we left | :57:33. | :57:38. | |
Lucy was my friend from when I was little. | :57:39. | :57:49. | |
When she got sick, I took care of her and gave her medicine. | :57:50. | :58:02. | |
When we came here, I got another doll to replace Lucy. | :58:03. | :58:10. | |
I was sitting with my mum in the living room, watching TV. | :58:11. | :58:14. | |
They ran in and said, "Grab the bags. | :58:15. | :58:33. | |
We were only meant to be in Turkey for three months, | :58:34. | :58:45. | |
But we didn't go back and it made me cry. | :58:46. | :58:56. | |
Now the weather. Good morning. It has been a frosty start to the day | :58:57. | :59:48. | |
today. Temperatures at the moment are still minus nine Celsius in | :59:49. | :00:20. | |
parts of Scotland and minus three in parts of England and we've got | :00:21. | :00:45. | |
patchy fog. Welcome to the programme | :00:46. | :00:51. | |
if you've just joined us. Coming up before 11: Who has | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
the final say about when we leave the European Union - | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
the Government or Parliament? This morning, the biggest | :00:57. | :00:58. | |
constitutional case for a generation gets under way in the Supreme Court | :00:59. | :01:00. | |
- we've been hearing People knew exactly | :01:01. | :01:02. | |
what they were voting for. What that meant was coming out | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
of the EU, control of our we live in some sort | :01:07. | :01:09. | |
of elected dictatorship. She's saying the country voted | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
to leave the European Union, and therefore "I get to dictate | :01:15. | :01:16. | |
the way in which that happens". A former Southampton youth coach was | :01:17. | :01:21. | |
able to keep working as a coach recently after he was not police | :01:22. | :01:24. | |
checked for his new job. Bob Higgins was cleared of sexual abuse charges | :01:25. | :01:27. | |
in 1992, but had been the subject of a police warning about his | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
behaviour. One former player at Southampton told us he was abused by | :01:31. | :01:36. | |
him as a boy. He scarred me, and as I get older, it gets worse to try | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
and forget about, because the time is going on and you say to yourself, | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
I am not going to forget about it. There are times when I go very dark | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
places. For anyone who has experienced sexual abuse as a young | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
footballer, the NSPCC has every appliance which offers advice and | :01:55. | :01:56. | |
support. Are local communities becoming more | :01:57. | :02:07. | |
and more racially divided? A major report on integration | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
in Britain says they are, and that public authorities aren't | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
tackling the problem out of a fear We'll be discussing the report's | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
findings later this hour. A landmark legal hearing begins | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
today which will determine who has the authority to begin the process | :02:24. | :02:32. | |
of the UK leaving The Supreme Court will hear | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
an appeal from the Government which believes it has the right | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
to trigger Article 50 The 11 justices will meet | :02:41. | :02:42. | |
for the first time in the court's history in a hearing | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
which will last four days. Italy is facing a day of political | :02:48. | :02:49. | |
and financial turbulence following the defeat | :02:50. | :02:56. | |
of Prime Minister Matteo Renzi's He will resign, and his | :02:57. | :02:58. | |
imminent departure has It is feared that a much-needed | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
bailouts will now be more difficult. Public institutions have too often | :03:04. | :03:16. | |
ignored, or even condoned divisive and harmful religious practices | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
for fear of being labelled racist, according to | :03:20. | :03:21. | |
a government-commissioned review. In her 200 page report, | :03:22. | :03:22. | |
Dame Louise Casey suggests among other things that | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
immigrants intending to settle in Britain should take | :03:26. | :03:27. | |
an "integration oath". We have to, frankly, | :03:28. | :03:29. | |
emancipate people in this country who've lived here now for more | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
than five or ten years, still can't speak English, still have | :03:35. | :03:37. | |
no option of a job. We are keeping them behind not only | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
in terms of poverty, Fleet Town Football Club | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
says a former coach accused of abusing youth players | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
at Southampton FC in the 1980s The BBC has spoken to six former | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
footballers who have made Until recently, he worked | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
with Fleet Town's adult first team Meanwhile, three former footballers | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
who lifted the lid on alleged widespread child sexual abuse | :04:04. | :04:13. | |
in the game have announced they're forming an independent organisation | :04:14. | :04:15. | |
to support other potential victims. Andy Woodward, Steve Walters | :04:16. | :04:18. | |
and Chris Unsworth want the "Offside Trust" to represent | :04:19. | :04:20. | |
players and their families. Since they spoke out, | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
hundreds more alleged 18 police forces are now | :04:25. | :04:26. | |
investigating related claims. The US President-elect | :04:27. | :04:35. | |
Donald Trump has attacked the policies of China in a series | :04:36. | :04:36. | |
of strongly-worded tweets. He accused Beijing of currency | :04:37. | :04:39. | |
manipulation and flexing Last week, Mr Trump was criticised | :04:40. | :04:41. | |
for taking a phone call from the President of Taiwan, | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
an island the US hasn't had diplomatic ties | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
with for almost 40 years. A German court has sentenced a train | :04:49. | :05:09. | |
controller to jail after a train crash in Bavaria. He made a | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
signalling error and dialled the wrong emergency number. He also said | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
he was plain computer games on his mobile phone at the time. Two | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
commuter trains collided on attack near the Bavarian town in February, | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
killing 12 people and injuring 89 others. | :05:26. | :05:32. | |
Last week on this programme, we spoke to Joe Bartley, | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
an 89-year-old who had put an ad in a local paper looking for work | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
Well - it's worked - as he's now started his new job. | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
Joe was met with cheers from customers when he clocked | :05:44. | :05:45. | |
on for the first time at this cafe bar in Paignton in Devon. | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
He had become a bit of a celebrity after advertising for work. | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
He spent his first day serving up roast dinners and mince pies. | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.30. | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
Bournemouth got their first ever win over Liverpool and they did it | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
with one of the comebacks of the Premier League season. | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
Eddie Howe's side recovered from 2-0 and then 3-1 | :06:12. | :06:13. | |
down, as Nathan Ake's goal in injury time gave them a 4-3 victory. | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
Liverpool are four points behind league leaders Chelsea. | :06:18. | :06:19. | |
The win moves Bournemouth up to tenth in what was another | :06:20. | :06:22. | |
For everyone involved, it is massive. It makes all the hard work | :06:23. | :06:33. | |
and dedication the players give to their craft, it makes for a special | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
day. And for the first time ever, Bournemouth have beaten Liverpool? | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
That is in line with our history. These days are huge for us. We had | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
never been in the Premier League before this season. We are doing | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
firsts all the time. A late goal also scuppered | :06:51. | :06:51. | |
Manchester United's hopes Zlatan Ibrahimovic put them | :06:52. | :06:53. | |
ahead with a lovely lob. But United manager Jose Mourinho | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
was criticised for bringing on Marouane Fellaini | :06:57. | :06:58. | |
late in the game. As the midfielder gave away | :06:59. | :07:00. | |
a penalty with a clumsy challenge Leighton Baines' spot kick earned | :07:01. | :07:03. | |
Everton a draw. The point does lift United up | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
to sixth, but they're 13 points off And afterwards, Mourinho was asked | :07:07. | :07:09. | |
what exactly his thinking I thought you would know more about | :07:10. | :07:27. | |
football than you do, because the answer is obvious. Everton is not a | :07:28. | :07:34. | |
passing team any more, like they were. Everton is a team that plays | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
direct. And when you have on the bench a player with two meters, you | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
play the player in front of the defensive line to help the team to | :07:43. | :07:43. | |
win the match. There was drama in | :07:44. | :07:46. | |
yesterday's FA Cup action as non-league Curzon Ashton also | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
suffered late heartbreak against League One AFC Wimbledon | :07:52. | :07:52. | |
- losing 4-3. Curzon were 3-0 up | :07:53. | :07:55. | |
after 80 minutes, thanks But then came four goals | :07:56. | :07:57. | |
in a remarkable 10-minute spell, Tom Elliott scoring the winner | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
to send the Dons into What a moment, though, | :08:02. | :08:03. | |
for Barrow from the National League. They won 2-1 at League | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
One Bristol Rovers - Byron Harrison, the scorer | :08:10. | :08:11. | |
of both Barrow goals. World number one Mark Selby has won | :08:12. | :08:19. | |
the UK Snooker Championship He beat five-time winner | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
Ronnie O'Sullivan in what was one of the greatest finals | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
at the York Barbican O'Sullivan fought back from five frames | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
down to trail by one, but Selby hit three centuries | :08:29. | :08:30. | |
to clinch a 10-7 victory. He's only the sixth player | :08:31. | :08:32. | |
to win the World and UK To play Ronnie in any game, not just | :08:33. | :08:52. | |
a major final, but any much, it gives you a buzz and makes you want | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
to play well. I knew I had to be on top of my game because if I only | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
played at 50 or 60%, I would not have won. He and Stephen Hendry two | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
of the greatest players to ever play the game. So as I say, to play him | :09:05. | :09:10. | |
in major finals, I have played in now in the world final, the Masters | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
final and the UK final, so it is a fantastic feeling. | :09:15. | :09:15. | |
England's netball team lost their three-match series | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
with Jamaica 2-1 after defeat in the decisive Test in Coventry. | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
Tracy Neville's side took an early lead, but Jamaica were too strong | :09:25. | :09:27. | |
in a tense final quarter and won it 64-57. | :09:28. | :09:29. | |
And Paralympic champion Gordon Reid lost in the final | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
of the Wheelchair Tennis Masters in London, but he'd already secured | :09:34. | :09:35. | |
world number one status to end a memorable year. | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
He was beaten in three sets by defending champion | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
Nonetheless, Reid was still happy with a year that contained two | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
Paralympic medals and two major singles titles. | :09:47. | :09:56. | |
And that is all the sport for now. Plenty more later. | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
Back now to the Supreme Court, where judges are today starting | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
a landmark legal hearing over the Government's argument that it | :10:07. | :10:08. | |
has the right to start the process of leaving the EU | :10:09. | :10:11. | |
Last month, judges at the High Court ruled that ministers needed to seek | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
the approval of parliament before triggering the process | :10:16. | :10:17. | |
But the Government is appealing that decision. | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
11 judges will hear four days of evidence | :10:22. | :10:24. | |
If you're still unsure about why this is all happening | :10:25. | :10:32. | |
and what it means for you, here's a reminder. | :10:33. | :10:38. | |
Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty lays down the rules for any country | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
Once it's triggered, it starts a two-year clock running, | :10:44. | :10:50. | |
But the argument has become about how, under the law, | :10:51. | :11:03. | |
The new Prime Minister's message was clear that: | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
We will invoke Article 50 no later than the end of March next year. | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
She's a businesswoman who, with others, decided | :11:15. | :11:24. | |
to launch the legal case against the government. | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
Their argument is that even though the country voted for Brexit, | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
Theresa May and her Cabinet does not have the legal power | :11:34. | :11:36. | |
to trigger Article 50, that only legislation, | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
an act of Parliament, can give her that authority. | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
Last month, Gina Miller won her case at the High Court. | :11:46. | :11:51. | |
It's about our United Kingdom and all our futures. | :11:52. | :11:53. | |
It threw the whole Brexit process into turmoil. | :11:54. | :11:59. | |
Is the government's Brexit plan now in chaos? | :12:00. | :12:01. | |
It sparked talk of a snap general election and the three High Court | :12:02. | :12:04. | |
judges were plastered all over the papers. | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
So the Government's appealing at the Supreme Court. | :12:10. | :12:16. | |
The Government will appeal to all 11 of the court's justices. | :12:17. | :12:23. | |
It's the first time they've ever all presided over a case. | :12:24. | :12:31. | |
They're independent and ruling on a point of law, but there have | :12:32. | :12:34. | |
been calls for the President of the Supreme Court, | :12:35. | :12:36. | |
Lord Neuberger, to step aside after reports his wife had tweeted | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
that Brexit votes were just protest votes. | :12:40. | :12:48. | |
And Deputy President Lady Hale has already said that Brexit | :12:49. | :12:51. | |
Win or lose, Mrs May could end up in a fight | :12:52. | :13:00. | |
Either she'll be triggering Article 50 herself, or she will push | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
Scotland will never agree to that, because it goes | :13:07. | :13:12. | |
SNP MPs in the House of Commons will certainly not vote | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
for anything that undermines the will or the interests | :13:18. | :13:19. | |
So a second independence referendum could be on the cards. | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
The consequences of whatever happens in here this week | :13:24. | :13:33. | |
Well, keeping an eye on all the goings on is our legal | :13:34. | :13:42. | |
eagle Clive Coleman, who's outside the Supreme | :13:43. | :13:44. | |
We have heard how important this hearing is, and I see that 24,000 | :13:45. | :13:58. | |
pages of written submissions have been put before the court, which | :13:59. | :14:01. | |
gives you a sense of the scale of it. It is enormous. In that package, | :14:02. | :14:08. | |
you heard the broad strokes, but today the Supreme Court will get | :14:09. | :14:11. | |
into the real nitty-gritty of the legal arguments. Let's first say | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
what this case is not about. This is not about the merits of whether the | :14:17. | :14:22. | |
UK should leave the EU or not. That was decided beyond question by the | :14:23. | :14:28. | |
referendum. This is about determining whether legal power, | :14:29. | :14:35. | |
under our -- about where the legal power lies to trigger Article 50. | :14:36. | :14:42. | |
Does it lie with ministers, using executive powers that derived from | :14:43. | :14:45. | |
the crown from times when kings and queens could do pretty much what | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
they wanted to do? Whether it can be triggered with those powers, or | :14:51. | :14:53. | |
whether it needs the authority of the representatives of the people | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
who sit over there in Parliament through an act of Parliament. Let me | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
explain. It is quite a complicated argument. Let me explain what I | :15:03. | :15:05. | |
think we'll be at the heart of today's hearing. It is all about the | :15:06. | :15:11. | |
rights that were given to citizens, to you and I, when under the 1972 | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
European Communities Act, which brought us into what is now the EU, | :15:17. | :15:22. | |
rights were given to UK citizens. A lot of the argument today will be | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
about the nature of those rights. The government will argue that those | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
rights for under a treaty, and that international treaties are an area | :15:34. | :15:39. | |
where ministers are allowed to use their prerogative powers, their | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
executive powers. So it is legitimate for those rights, brought | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
in through the 1972 act, to be amended, changed or even wiped away | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
entirely by ministers using their prerogative, their executive powers. | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
That is their argument. Gina Miller, the businesswoman who won her case | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
at the High Court, argues that these are full-blown statutory rights. | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
They were granted by Parliament, so only Parliament has the authority to | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
wipe away those rights or to amend them. That will be the heart of the | :16:13. | :16:20. | |
argument, and we will hear the government's case put forward by the | :16:21. | :16:23. | |
Attorney General initially, and then by the QC. That is what we will hear | :16:24. | :16:30. | |
in real detail today. It is going to take us back throughout | :16:31. | :16:33. | |
constitutional history to the case of proclamations in 1610, through | :16:34. | :16:36. | |
the Bill of Rights, through the act of union. We will have a lesson in | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
constitutional history, going back and looking at the powers that the | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
Crown had and that ministers have been given and where the limits of | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
those powers are. For lawyers like me, it will be a fascinating day. It | :16:50. | :16:54. | |
is not going to be easy for nonlawyers to follow, but I will do | :16:55. | :16:57. | |
my best to explain as we go through the day. | :16:58. | :17:05. | |
Of course, the EU referendum divided politicians, | :17:06. | :17:11. | |
friends and even families - not least, the Baxter | :17:12. | :17:19. | |
Ian and Nigel are businessmen, they campaigned on different sides, | :17:20. | :17:25. | |
and voted different ways on June 23rd. | :17:26. | :17:27. | |
Fortunately, they're still able to sit in | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
the same room together, despite their opposing | :17:33. | :17:35. | |
Thank you very much for joining us. Nigel, I'll come to you first, | :17:36. | :17:53. | |
because you run a truck dealership employing more than 80 workers, you | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
voted leave. How do you feel about the process going through the | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
courts? I'm frustrated by it. The United Kingdom citizens, 17.4 | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
million of us voted to leave and whilst the merits of this | :18:10. | :18:12. | |
constitutionally maybe right there, is a frustrating tactic that's | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
delaying or exit from the European Union and creating problems for our | :18:16. | :18:17. | |
Prime Minister which are unnecessary. Ian, you own a freight | :18:18. | :18:20. | |
company employing 60 people. Most of your business in Europe. You wanted | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
to remain. Do you think it is right this is going to court? Well, I | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
don't think it should be going to court, but I don't think the | :18:30. | :18:32. | |
Government should be acting in this way. We live in a Parliamentary | :18:33. | :18:35. | |
democracy, don't we? I voted to remain, but I accepted the result of | :18:36. | :18:40. | |
the referendum, but the triggering of Article 50 is something that | :18:41. | :18:43. | |
Parliament should agree with and arrange and the Government should | :18:44. | :18:46. | |
come to Parliament and explain the strategy they have for leaving the | :18:47. | :18:48. | |
European Union. We were talking to politicians | :18:49. | :18:51. | |
earlier and everybody ashaerts they believe the -- asserts what they | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
believe the people meant when they marked their X in the referendum. | :18:56. | :18:57. | |
Nigel, are you clear on what you want Brexit to look like? Well, like | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
all things, there is a big negotiating process to go through. | :19:01. | :19:06. | |
What I dislike about this, in my experience of negotiating, you don't | :19:07. | :19:08. | |
reveal your hand before you start the process and we have a situation | :19:09. | :19:14. | |
here where all of these little pokes that we're getting from individual | :19:15. | :19:16. | |
remoaners are creating issues for the Government, creating issues for | :19:17. | :19:18. | |
the Prime Minister trying to reveal their hand. That's not the way to | :19:19. | :19:20. | |
start a strong negotiation. Ian, you're one of the remoaners he is | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
talking about. Do you think the Government should reveal its hand? | :19:25. | :19:27. | |
Well, I think it should say what the broad strategy is. Its opening | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
gambit if you like. I'm not someone who wants a blow-by-blow commentary. | :19:34. | :19:38. | |
It is clear that the likes of Boris Johnson are now going back on many | :19:39. | :19:45. | |
of the things that they campaigned for in this Leave campaign. He is | :19:46. | :19:48. | |
talking about immigration. He's talking about paying to stay within | :19:49. | :19:51. | |
the single market or something that looks a bit like that. So I think | :19:52. | :20:04. | |
even those that ran the campaign don't know what Brexit should look | :20:05. | :20:07. | |
like and I think it's right therefore n a Parliamentary | :20:08. | :20:09. | |
democracy, that Parliament is involved in that process. | :20:10. | :20:11. | |
You are going to have to reconcile yourself Ian to the fact that we are | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
going out. What are your fears? Well, I have always said leaving the | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
single market will be bad for trade, bad for jobs. But like I say, I | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
accept the result of the referendum. I think we should trigger Article | :20:25. | :20:27. | |
50, what I'm saying is that Parliament has a role to play in | :20:28. | :20:33. | |
that process and the views of all the British people, the 48% as well | :20:34. | :20:39. | |
as the 52% who voted to leave, should be heard as part of that | :20:40. | :20:42. | |
process. Nigel, I hear what you're saying | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
about echoing the Government's position about not revealing too | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
much about the strategy here. In the en, if the Government goes along a | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
path of maintaining access to European markets, maintaining | :20:57. | :21:00. | |
freedom of movement, does much change? Well, I don't believe that | :21:01. | :21:04. | |
we necessarily need to stay inside the single market. I believe that | :21:05. | :21:11. | |
Britain has a strong neglecting position there in terms of trade | :21:12. | :21:18. | |
balance. I don't believe in full free movement of people. And I | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
haven't done and I campaigned against it. I am though a supporter | :21:23. | :21:25. | |
of immigration, but controlled immigration. Britain needs good | :21:26. | :21:26. | |
people to deal with our businesses and our Health Services and so on | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
and so forth, we are going to continue with relatively large | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
numbers. What that number looks like, but controlled, we need | :21:36. | :21:37. | |
skilled people, not unskilled people. | :21:38. | :21:39. | |
In the end then, does it deliver what the people actually wanted it? | :21:40. | :21:46. | |
Well, I believe that we will deliver that, of course, but it will ablong | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
process of negotiation and revealing our hand in the first instance of | :21:51. | :21:56. | |
what it looks like and debate that through Parliament or otherwise is | :21:57. | :21:58. | |
not the right way to do it. Ian, what do you think about the way of | :21:59. | :22:02. | |
Government is handling it? Well, again, I think they are wrong in | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
terms of trying to use the royal prerogative for this process. We | :22:07. | :22:12. | |
don't use it in the context of Syria for instance. So the Government has | :22:13. | :22:15. | |
gone to Parliament and asked for consent when they theoretically | :22:16. | :22:17. | |
could have used the prerogativement jnly though, I think, Theresa May | :22:18. | :22:25. | |
has been right to take her time to consider all the basises and to say | :22:26. | :22:32. | |
we will trigger Article 50 by the end of March. I think that's | :22:33. | :22:39. | |
sensible and I'm not somebody who wants a second referendum. I believe | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
the Government has to set out its plans. It has to start the | :22:46. | :22:48. | |
negotiation from one point and in the end, make a compromise that will | :22:49. | :22:51. | |
take into account the views of British people from across the | :22:52. | :22:54. | |
spectrum. You're both being polite in clearly articulating your | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
different views. Are you always this polite with each other, or do you | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
get into proper rows about this? No, we are civilised most of the time! | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
This process of the referendum has been a good thing for Ian and I, we | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
have become closer together even though it involved lively debate as | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
you might imagine. I think the important thing is that people on | :23:16. | :23:17. | |
both sides of the debate listen to Ypres other more and that's the | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
point that I'm making. Parliament should have its say. Be part of this | :23:23. | :23:25. | |
process and the Government should listen to those views. | :23:26. | :23:28. | |
Nigel and Ian Baxter, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. | :23:29. | :23:36. | |
Let us know your thoughts on that as well. | :23:37. | :23:41. | |
Rachel segregation is growing. That's the conclusion of a report | :23:42. | :23:49. | |
out this morning. We will discuss its findings later on. | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
Let's return now to that big story in Europe this morning - | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
the resignation of the Italian prime minister after a heavy | :24:00. | :24:01. | |
Voices in Brussels have been saying the vote was about domestic | :24:02. | :24:08. | |
constitutional reform, and not about the popularity | :24:09. | :24:10. | |
But the campaign was led by populist anti-establishment politicians - | :24:11. | :24:18. | |
So what does all these mean for European politics | :24:19. | :24:27. | |
Let's speak now to Professor Matthew Goodwin, associate fellow | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
of the Europe Programme at Chatham House and | :24:32. | :24:33. | |
Dr Sofia Vasilopoulou, Senior Lecturer in Politics, | :24:34. | :24:36. | |
And from Sheffield we have Dr Arianna Giovannini, | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
Lecturer in Politics at De Montfort University. | :24:43. | :24:42. | |
Thank you very much for joining us. I come to you first of all, doctor. | :24:43. | :24:53. | |
Now that Prime Minister Renzi has resigned. How significant is this? | :24:54. | :25:05. | |
Well, the resignation of Prime Minister Renzi is significant. In | :25:06. | :25:08. | |
the first place this means that we will have to wait until what happens | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
this afternoon, will he actually goes and see the president of the | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
Republic and hand in his resignation, at that point the | :25:19. | :25:19. | |
president of the Republic will have an important decision to make. It | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
looks like he has three options. He can refuse to accept Renzi's | :25:24. | :25:26. | |
resignations and ask him to stay in power and pass the Budget and also | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
try to settle down the issue of the new electoral low. The second option | :25:32. | :25:34. | |
which seems to be most likely is that he will accept the resignation, | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
he will then call in a new Prime Minister, this is likely to be a | :25:39. | :25:43. | |
technocratic sort of Government. So he will look for a political figure | :25:44. | :25:48. | |
able to give a sign of stability to Italy and Europe. The names are | :25:49. | :25:56. | |
either the current president of the Senate, or the minister of finance. | :25:57. | :26:04. | |
Again, the main purpose of this new technocrat k Government would be | :26:05. | :26:06. | |
that of passing the Budget in the first place for 2017 and also | :26:07. | :26:13. | |
settling the issue of the electoral low. The problem with the electoral | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
low the Government past a new low. This was suppose to work in tandem | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
with the constitutional reform. The constitutional reform didn't pass. | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
That means there is a new electoral low for the Chamber of Deputies, but | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
there is not an electoral low for the Senate. Is this is what unfolds | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
going forward. Matthew Goodwin, is this another kick for the | :26:39. | :26:42. | |
establishment Well, it is another crisis for the European Union. We | :26:43. | :26:48. | |
had a big day yesterday in Europe. We had the Austrian elections at the | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
same time as the Italian referendum. Some EU mainstream commentators were | :26:54. | :26:57. | |
celebrating that particular result because the populist right were not | :26:58. | :27:01. | |
successful, but at the same time the possible ulist got 67% in Austria | :27:02. | :27:08. | |
and the broader picture in Europe is I would suggest of a Continent | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
that's in a volatile place, where politics is less predictable and | :27:15. | :27:17. | |
where antiestablishment moments are really enjoying some of their | :27:18. | :27:18. | |
strongest results. When you look at the two results | :27:19. | :27:24. | |
that we've had, Austria, where the hard right lost and obviously Italy | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
where the establishment has been hit. How volatile do you think | :27:30. | :27:35. | |
things are and unpredictable? They are quite volatile at the moment, | :27:36. | :27:42. | |
but we need to be thinking about the elections that are separate as well. | :27:43. | :27:45. | |
They have got commonalities in the sense that they both provide a | :27:46. | :27:49. | |
platform for antiestablishment and populist politics, but at the same | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
time Italy was a referendum that was called by the Prime Minister. Pretty | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
much, it was as a popularity contest for himself and his Government | :28:00. | :28:05. | |
whereas so he had the choice not to do it. In Austria, it was a vote and | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
an electoral vote for an institutional post that would have | :28:11. | :28:13. | |
happened anyway. One key message that comes out of Italy is that | :28:14. | :28:18. | |
politicians should be careful about setting out referendums that turn | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
into popularity votes because people don't always vote on the basis of | :28:23. | :28:25. | |
the question asked, but there are quite a lot of other arguments that | :28:26. | :28:31. | |
come into play. There are elections next year in France, Germany and the | :28:32. | :28:37. | |
Netherlands. Obviously all highly significant? Yes, we are entering | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
into a series of events that will potentially deal a further plough to | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
the EU whilst it is grappling with a financial crisis and a refugee | :28:46. | :28:49. | |
crisis, you have lee pen in the French presidential elections who | :28:50. | :28:52. | |
will probably make it to the second round. You have the Dutch elections | :28:53. | :28:59. | |
where the latest polls put someone who is critical of Islam as having | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
the largest number of seats and you have the German elections with the | :29:04. | :29:05. | |
anti-immigration and Eurosceptic alternative for Germany who wants to | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
build on State gains and enter the national Parliaments. So if we were | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
to fast forward into the next 12 months, if we were having this | :29:15. | :29:19. | |
conversation a year from now, this debate will be even louder. | :29:20. | :29:25. | |
How does it play with what is going on here in terms of the negotiations | :29:26. | :29:30. | |
of Britain getting out of the EU? Will it make it harder? Against a | :29:31. | :29:38. | |
backdrop of Brexit the EU is going to be faced with a number of | :29:39. | :29:46. | |
challenges on competing fronts and you know we haven't even got into | :29:47. | :29:49. | |
the lack of economic growth in Europe, the disparities between east | :29:50. | :29:53. | |
and west and north and south, this is a Continent that's overridden | :29:54. | :30:02. | |
with crisises and Brexit and the negotiations for us, it means that | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
this political change or this potential political change of new | :30:08. | :30:11. | |
Prime Ministers and new presidents could alter the dynamics of the | :30:12. | :30:14. | |
negotiations significantly. So we're seeing parties that are also quite | :30:15. | :30:20. | |
critical of how the refugee crisis has been handled or free movement | :30:21. | :30:24. | |
and things like that, perhaps possibly helping our negotiations. | :30:25. | :30:28. | |
If ornld the EU is able to push back against the crisises and reassert | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
itself, our negotiations may become harder, so it is all adding to a | :30:34. | :30:34. | |
turd mull tuous period. N the other hand the EU is able to | :30:35. | :31:14. | |
push back against the crisises and reassert itself, our negotiations | :31:15. | :31:18. | |
may become harder, so it is all adding to a turd mull tuous period. | :31:19. | :31:25. | |
There is no, it is not led by a single ableg for. There is a variety | :31:26. | :31:30. | |
of actors. They include moderates and pro-European voices, as well as | :31:31. | :31:33. | |
populist ones. It remains to be seen, it is up to the political | :31:34. | :31:39. | |
parties and the way in which they will react to these to see what will | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
happen in Europe. Thank you very much for joining us. | :31:44. | :31:46. | |
Let us know your thoughts as well. Who decides how we leave | :31:47. | :31:54. | |
the European Union - This morning, the biggest | :31:55. | :31:57. | |
constitutional case for a generation gets under way in the Supreme Court | :31:58. | :32:00. | |
- we'll bring you all the latest. We'll bring you reaction to a major | :32:01. | :32:04. | |
report on integration in Britain which says that for over a decade | :32:05. | :32:06. | |
governments have allowed local communities to become | :32:07. | :32:09. | |
increasingly divided. Time for a summary | :32:10. | :32:10. | |
of the day's news. A landmark legal hearing begins | :32:11. | :32:12. | |
today which will determine who has the authority to begin the process | :32:13. | :32:15. | |
of the UK leaving The Supreme Court will hear | :32:16. | :32:17. | |
an appeal from the Government, which believes it has the right | :32:18. | :32:21. | |
to trigger Article 50 The 11 justices will meet | :32:22. | :32:23. | |
for the first time in the court's history in a hearing | :32:24. | :32:27. | |
which will last four days. Italy is facing a day of political | :32:28. | :32:29. | |
and financial turbulence following the defeat | :32:30. | :32:33. | |
of Prime Minister Matteo Renzi's He will resign, and his | :32:34. | :32:35. | |
imminent departure has The developments are likely | :32:36. | :32:41. | |
to overshadow a meeting of Eurozone Public institutions have too often | :32:42. | :32:44. | |
ignored or even condoned divisive and harmful religious practices | :32:45. | :32:51. | |
for fear of being labelled racist, according to | :32:52. | :32:53. | |
a Government-commissioned review. In her 200 page report, | :32:54. | :32:56. | |
Dame Louise Casey suggests among other things that | :32:57. | :33:00. | |
immigrants intending to settle in Britain should take | :33:01. | :33:02. | |
an "integration oath". Fleet Town Football Club | :33:03. | :33:08. | |
says a former coach accused of abusing youth players | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
at Southampton FC in the 1980s The BBC has spoken to six former | :33:13. | :33:14. | |
footballers who have made Until recently, he worked | :33:15. | :33:21. | |
with Fleet Town's adult first team Meanwhile, three former footballers | :33:22. | :33:26. | |
who lifted the lid on alleged widespread child sexual abuse | :33:27. | :33:36. | |
in the game, have announced they're forming an independent organisation | :33:37. | :33:40. | |
to support other potential victims. He scarred me. As I get older, it | :33:41. | :33:50. | |
becomes harder to forget about is the time goes on. You say to | :33:51. | :33:53. | |
yourself, I'm not going to forget about it, and there are times I go | :33:54. | :33:55. | |
very dark places. Meanwhile, three former footballers | :33:56. | :33:58. | |
who lifted the lid on alleged widespread child sexual abuse | :33:59. | :34:00. | |
in the game, have announced they're forming an independent organisation | :34:01. | :34:03. | |
to support other potential victims. Andy Woodward, Steve Walters | :34:04. | :34:05. | |
and Chris Unsworth want the "Offside Trust" to represent | :34:06. | :34:07. | |
players and their families. Since they spoke out, | :34:08. | :34:10. | |
hundreds more alleged 18 police forces are now | :34:11. | :34:12. | |
investigating related claims. That's a summary of the latest news, | :34:13. | :34:21. | |
join me for BBC Newsroom Bournemouth produced one | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
of the comebacks of the Premier than half an hour left, | :34:25. | :34:33. | |
they fought back to win 4-3. Afterwards, Liverpool manager | :34:34. | :34:39. | |
Jurgen Klopp said Bournemouth Elsewhere, Everton and | :34:40. | :34:40. | |
Manchester United drew 1-1. There was another remarkable | :34:41. | :34:46. | |
comeback in the second as non-league Curzon Ashton led | :34:47. | :34:48. | |
Wimbledon 3-0 with just 10 minutes left, but their hopes were shattered | :34:49. | :34:55. | |
when the League One side Elsewhere, National League | :34:56. | :34:58. | |
side Barrow beat League of the greatest finals - | :34:59. | :35:01. | |
Mark Selby withstanding a comeback from Ronnie O'Sullivan | :35:02. | :35:07. | |
to win his second UK Championship Selby had led 6-2 | :35:08. | :35:09. | |
after the first session and held his nerve to | :35:10. | :35:18. | |
eventually win 10-7. Tiger Woods hit five birdies in the | :35:19. | :35:33. | |
Bahamas, but also three bogeys and three double bogeys, including that | :35:34. | :35:36. | |
one on the last to finish four under par. That was 14 shots behind winner | :35:37. | :35:42. | |
Hideki Matsuyama of Japan. So an up-and-down round, but great to see | :35:43. | :35:45. | |
Tiger Woods back playing golf. That is all the sport for now. Plenty | :35:46. | :35:49. | |
more on the BBC News Channel throughout the rest of the day. | :35:50. | :35:51. | |
The highest court in the UK will start hearing the Government's | :35:52. | :35:54. | |
appeal against a ruling that Parliament must discuss the terms | :35:55. | :36:00. | |
of leaving the EU before the process can begin. | :36:01. | :36:03. | |
The Prime Minister Theresa May wants to start the formal Brexit | :36:04. | :36:05. | |
process by April next year, but the High Court ruled in November | :36:06. | :36:08. | |
that this would have to be voted on first. | :36:09. | :36:10. | |
Let's speak now to my colleague Ben Brown, who is outside | :36:11. | :36:13. | |
Yes, we are outside the Supreme Court, the highest court in the | :36:14. | :36:23. | |
land. There are quite a few demonstrators here. Members of the | :36:24. | :36:26. | |
public have been queueing all morning to get inside for this four | :36:27. | :36:33. | |
day hearing. 11 Supreme Court judges will sit together for the first | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
time. It is unprecedented that all 11 Supreme Court judges have sat | :36:39. | :36:43. | |
together to hear this case. Let's discuss it now before it gets under | :36:44. | :36:46. | |
way with Martin Howe, QC, chairman of lawyers for Britain, who supports | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
the government's case in this that the Government should be able to | :36:52. | :36:57. | |
trigger Article 50. And Alison Young, professor of Public Law at | :36:58. | :37:03. | |
Oxford University. Martin, you think Theresa May should just be free to | :37:04. | :37:06. | |
implement what the referendum decision was in June? That is | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
exactly right. The challenge is in this case rely on their rights. They | :37:12. | :37:17. | |
have rights, but other people have rights too. There are 17.4 million | :37:18. | :37:24. | |
people who voted to leave the European Union, and their rights | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
should be respected, their rights not to be governed by European law, | :37:29. | :37:31. | |
their rights not to be governed by the European Parliament and so on. | :37:32. | :37:37. | |
We think it is important that those rights should be brought to the | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
table. We also think that the parliament itself decided that the | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
decision should be taken as a final and binding decision by the British | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
people. There is no need for yet another act of Parliament simply to | :37:51. | :37:56. | |
carry out the decision of the British people. That sounds simple | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
enough when put like that, Alison Young, but explain the argument that | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
Gina Miller, the original businesswoman who brought this case, | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
which was upheld by the High Court last month what her case? Her case | :38:10. | :38:15. | |
is to explain that although there was a decision of the British people | :38:16. | :38:19. | |
to leave the European Union, this case is not asking whether we should | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
leave or remain. This case is asking, legally, how do we do this | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
in the correct manner? So it is asking us to look at the relative | :38:28. | :38:30. | |
powers of the government and the powers of Parliament. Her argument | :38:31. | :38:35. | |
is that the government does have powers which are called prerogative | :38:36. | :38:38. | |
powers, which used to belong to kings and queens, but now belong to | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
members of the government. Their argument is that that power cannot | :38:44. | :38:48. | |
be used to alter rights that you find in statutes. European Union law | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
has been brought in to statutes, so we need Parliament to be able to act | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
to remove those rights. That is not to say we can't leave Europe, it is | :38:57. | :39:00. | |
to make sure we do it in the legally correct manner. Martin, isn't that | :39:01. | :39:06. | |
right, that this is about doing it in the correct way? Gina Miller's | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
original argument was that Parliament enshrined European law | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
into British law in 1972 with that European Communities Act. So if | :39:15. | :39:18. | |
Parliament confers rights on the people, only Parliament can take | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
them away. You don't accept that? But Parliament chose to hold a | :39:23. | :39:27. | |
referendum, and chose explicitly to give the decision to the British | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
people. It couldn't be clearer. Philip Hammond, in his speech | :39:32. | :39:36. | |
introducing the Referendum Bill to parliament, said, this will be a | :39:37. | :39:39. | |
decision for the British people, not parliamentarians in this chamber. | :39:40. | :39:45. | |
What we are talking about here is simply triggering the decision to | :39:46. | :39:49. | |
leave. We are not talking about subsequent things like negotiations | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
and the changes in domestic law that would be needed later to put into | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
effect any negotiated agreement with the European Union. Parliament, of | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
course, has a full role in that. We are simply talking about the | :40:04. | :40:09. | |
decision to leave, and triggering Article 50 is an inevitable | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
consequence of the decision of the British people in the referendum. | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
Alison Young, there are clearly strong feelings about Brexit. At the | :40:18. | :40:20. | |
High Court, some of the newspapers were very critical of the judges | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
said they were enemies of the people. This is a difficult moment | :40:25. | :40:29. | |
for the judiciary. It is a difficult moment because although the case is | :40:30. | :40:32. | |
decided on legal issues, it is hard to deny that the case is very | :40:33. | :40:40. | |
important. It raises a lot of feelings and it is in the context of | :40:41. | :40:46. | |
something that has important political consequences for British | :40:47. | :40:49. | |
people. So is it right that the Supreme Court should have a say on | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
this? I think it is right because they are not being asked whether | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
they agree or disagree with Brexit, they are being asked to say, let's | :40:59. | :41:02. | |
look at the British constitution. Let's look at the distribution of | :41:03. | :41:06. | |
powers between the government and parliament, and less decide who has | :41:07. | :41:11. | |
the power to do this and what is the constitutionally correct manner. | :41:12. | :41:15. | |
Professor of Public Law at Oxford University Alison Young and Martin | :41:16. | :41:20. | |
Howe, QC, chairman of lawyers for Britain, many thanks. Joanna, it all | :41:21. | :41:26. | |
starts at 11 o'clock. We will hear initial remarks from the most senior | :41:27. | :41:32. | |
judge, Lord Newberg. He is expected to save the decision of the judges | :41:33. | :41:37. | |
will be purely on points of law, although he recognises that the | :41:38. | :41:42. | |
Brexit issue arouses strong passions. Then we will hear from the | :41:43. | :41:46. | |
Attorney General, Jeremy Wright QC, for the government. That is all to | :41:47. | :41:47. | |
come. It's now more than two weeks | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
since several former football players came forward | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
with allegations of historic child Since then the inquiry into child | :41:57. | :41:58. | |
sex abuse in football has broadened in scope beyond what anyone | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
could have imagined. In the latest development, | :42:04. | :42:05. | |
Fleet Town football club has confirmed that a man | :42:06. | :42:07. | |
who was on the coaching staff, despite being at the centre | :42:08. | :42:14. | |
of historical sex abuse allegations, Bob Higgins, who was a former youth | :42:15. | :42:16. | |
development officer at Southampton, has been named by a number of former | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
youth players, who claimed to police One former player at | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
Southampton told us He waived his right to anonymity to | :42:25. | :42:37. | |
talk to us this morning. His interview contains some graphic | :42:38. | :42:37. | |
details. I would be cuddled up with him on | :42:38. | :42:47. | |
the settee, but... It just wasn't normal when you look back. At the | :42:48. | :42:51. | |
time, you're appreciated it and you felt wanted it, but then it led to | :42:52. | :42:56. | |
other things. Again, at the time, I didn't question it. I felt grateful, | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
because he would go to bed and then he would call me into his bedroom. I | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
would go into his bedroom and it would be pitch black, and I would | :43:05. | :43:08. | |
stand at the end of his bed while he was in bed, asking the questions. | :43:09. | :43:14. | |
About my training, and I had to tell him how much I wanted to be a | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
professional and how far I was prepared to go, would I run through | :43:18. | :43:24. | |
brick walls for him? It was like he was grooming me. You did ultimately | :43:25. | :43:30. | |
make allegations to police about the way he treated you. Those | :43:31. | :43:36. | |
allegations then went to court and on the directions of the judge, he | :43:37. | :43:42. | |
was cleared. Tell us more about the specific allegations you made? I was | :43:43. | :43:49. | |
told at the time that I couldn't discuss the other things were going | :43:50. | :43:57. | |
on at home in his bedroom, in the car, even. Basically, the one | :43:58. | :44:02. | |
incident that happened to me was on a residential schoolboy week, where | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
I developed an injury in the bottom of my spine, and he asked me back to | :44:08. | :44:21. | |
a bedroom. And he told me he was going to massage the bruising from | :44:22. | :44:27. | |
the bottom of my spine. So I basically had to pull my shorts down | :44:28. | :44:39. | |
and lay down. This was an allegation that went to court on judge's | :44:40. | :44:45. | |
orders, and he was cleared of the allegations against him. Did that | :44:46. | :44:54. | |
mean that you subsequently put behind you the sorts of things you | :44:55. | :44:59. | |
are talking about? Not at all. There are certain things I can't talk | :45:00. | :45:05. | |
about about the court case. But after that, I was 21 when I went to | :45:06. | :45:13. | |
court. So you think you are going to get over it, move on, have your own | :45:14. | :45:17. | |
children and move on, but that doesn't happen. I'm a happy guy, got | :45:18. | :45:25. | |
a fantastic wife, fantastic family and children, everything is amazing. | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
But he scarred me, and as I get older, it gets worse to try and | :45:31. | :45:36. | |
forget about because time is going on and you think to yourself, I am | :45:37. | :45:39. | |
not going to forget about it. And there are times when I go very dark | :45:40. | :45:46. | |
places. Obviously around now, this is not a good time, because it is | :45:47. | :45:52. | |
all out there. But I am glad, because it is something I have got | :45:53. | :45:56. | |
to deal with and stop burying it. I have to deal with it. | :45:57. | :46:06. | |
Many former youth players have come out and have been speaking. How have | :46:07. | :46:19. | |
you felt about that? If I'm honest with you, it is mixed feelings. I | :46:20. | :46:26. | |
said to my wife the other day that I feel so good that I'm better about | :46:27. | :46:30. | |
it all because I feel I've got much more support and you know the lads | :46:31. | :46:36. | |
that I've spoken to, they have been absolutely fantastic, but at the | :46:37. | :46:41. | |
same time, you don't want to know that other people have been affected | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
like I have, with the things that have gone on, but I just would like | :46:46. | :46:49. | |
to encourage more people to come forward though. | :46:50. | :46:52. | |
I should say that Mr Higgins has previously denied all wrongdoing. | :46:53. | :46:54. | |
And to anyone who has experienced sexual abuse as a young footballer, | :46:55. | :46:59. | |
the NSPCC has a free helpline which offers advice and support. | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
A government commissioned review into social integration has | :47:04. | :47:11. | |
concluded that public institutions have too often ignored or even | :47:12. | :47:17. | |
condoned divisive and harmful religious practices for fear | :47:18. | :47:21. | |
of being labelled racist or Islamophobic. | :47:22. | :47:24. | |
In her 200 page report, Dame Louise Casey suggests, | :47:25. | :47:27. | |
among other things, that immigrants intending to settle | :47:28. | :47:32. | |
in Britain should take an "integration oath". | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
I haven't criticised the Muslim community at all, actually. | :47:37. | :47:41. | |
It's very good for me to be able to say this this morning. | :47:42. | :47:44. | |
What I have a problem with is any religion, | :47:45. | :47:47. | |
faith, creed, colour, anything that holds back people | :47:48. | :47:49. | |
from enjoying the opportunities of life in Britain today. | :47:50. | :47:52. | |
So of course I think that in certain communities and within the Muslim | :47:53. | :47:54. | |
community there are more women that are less likely to speak English, | :47:55. | :47:58. | |
more women who are more likely to be kept at home, | :47:59. | :48:01. | |
who aren't enjoying the equality that I enjoy | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
Frankly, if they were white and living in Surrey, | :48:07. | :48:17. | |
There is a dimension here that because we want to respect people's | :48:18. | :48:26. | |
choices around culture, I think that we in some ways have | :48:27. | :48:30. | |
allowed some people to be left behind in Britain for now not just | :48:31. | :48:32. | |
in the last five or ten years but previously, | :48:33. | :48:35. | |
and I think it's time we did something about that. | :48:36. | :48:38. | |
The problem with this issue is that people want to duck it | :48:39. | :48:40. | |
and want to be in the very easy place of saying, "This isn't | :48:41. | :48:43. | |
happening, it's not true, everything is fine." | :48:44. | :48:46. | |
Last Thursday I spent the day in somewhere called | :48:47. | :48:51. | |
I spent the morning in a part of Birmingham. | :48:52. | :48:55. | |
The idea that those areas are doing fine in Britain, | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
I met women who cannot leave their homes without their husband's | :49:00. | :49:04. | |
permission and that isn't coming from a good place, to protect them. | :49:05. | :49:06. | |
It's coming from a bad place to keep them subjugated. | :49:07. | :49:10. | |
I didn't realise this when I set about this job 12 or 18 months ago. | :49:11. | :49:11. | |
It doesn't give me any pleasure to say this. | :49:12. | :49:15. | |
We have to emancipate people in this country who have lived here now | :49:16. | :49:32. | |
for more than five or ten years, still can't speak English, | :49:33. | :49:34. | |
We're keeping them behind not only in terms of poverty but in terms | :49:35. | :49:37. | |
of equality and that's not what this country is about. | :49:38. | :49:40. | |
Not talking about this, not talking about these difficult issues, | :49:41. | :49:46. | |
all it does is give ammunition to the extreme far | :49:47. | :49:50. | |
right and ammunition to the Islamic extremists. | :49:51. | :49:52. | |
Those are the people that set out to divide us, | :49:53. | :49:59. | |
those are the people that want to bring this country | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
to its knees, and we must not allow those people to do it. | :50:04. | :50:05. | |
We must not be afeared of being called racist | :50:06. | :50:18. | |
We have to talk about these issues or else we will get nowhere. | :50:19. | :50:21. | |
Joining me now is David Goodhart - Head of Demography, Immigration, | :50:22. | :50:37. | |
and Integration for the think-tank Policy Exchange and Faeeza Vaid | :50:38. | :50:39. | |
from the Muslim Women's network who joins me via webcam. | :50:40. | :50:39. | |
Thank you very much for joining us. Louise Casey talking strongly about | :50:40. | :50:47. | |
reaching out to emancipate people and saying that this must be done | :50:48. | :50:52. | |
without fear of being called racist. How do you react to what she was | :50:53. | :51:01. | |
saying? I would agree the issues should be raised and they have been | :51:02. | :51:11. | |
raised previously and a lot of these issues are not new to the work that | :51:12. | :51:18. | |
many activists have broadband doing up and don't the country over many | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
years. I fully support that. I think we need to have really nuanced | :51:23. | :51:27. | |
debate about this because the top line of this report are easy to sort | :51:28. | :51:30. | |
of polarize, whereas really the productive conversations will only | :51:31. | :51:35. | |
come when we look at the nuance and the complexities of each of these | :51:36. | :51:44. | |
issues. David, do you agree with Louise Casey when she says this | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
country is becoming more divided as it becomes more diverse? Well, I | :51:49. | :51:53. | |
think she would say and I think I would agree with her, that we are | :51:54. | :51:57. | |
becoming more mixed, more integrated in some areas and less in other | :51:58. | :52:02. | |
areas. It is very much depends on which parts of the country you look | :52:03. | :52:08. | |
at. I mean Louise's report focuses a lot on the worst areas, on the | :52:09. | :52:16. | |
Milltowns, places where there is a dominant single minority and | :52:17. | :52:19. | |
entrenched division that goes back 30 or 40 years, these are the most | :52:20. | :52:29. | |
difficult areas. She focuses a lot on the Pakistani and Bangladeshi and | :52:30. | :52:32. | |
Muslim minorities and I think she is right to do that, but yes, I mean, | :52:33. | :52:36. | |
this is a report that is focussing on the problems. You could go to | :52:37. | :52:43. | |
Solihull or Watford or places where the divisions, those sort of | :52:44. | :52:45. | |
divisions don't exist and you're seeing much more sort of, you know, | :52:46. | :52:50. | |
normal mixing across ethnic lines. I mean, there is an underlining issue | :52:51. | :52:53. | |
here which is very difficult to overcome and on the one hand, we | :52:54. | :53:01. | |
acknowledge the fact that people from different ethnic cultural | :53:02. | :53:05. | |
backgrounds tend to feel more comfortable with people with the | :53:06. | :53:10. | |
same backgrounds and tend to want to live in communities that are | :53:11. | :53:14. | |
dominated by that group. On the other hand, we think a good society | :53:15. | :53:20. | |
is one that has lots of movement across ethnic and social class and | :53:21. | :53:26. | |
other lines. What do you think are the answers? Louise Casey throws out | :53:27. | :53:31. | |
lots of suggestions, what do you think is the best way to tackle | :53:32. | :53:47. | |
this? I think we need to make sure that we're not thinking about | :53:48. | :53:52. | |
integration as a one-way process. It is not solely the responsibility of | :53:53. | :53:55. | |
migrant communities, it has to be fully entrenched in wider society as | :53:56. | :54:03. | |
well. Not only do we see segregated communities, we see segregated white | :54:04. | :54:10. | |
communities and David mentioned a few now. So, for me, in terms of | :54:11. | :54:14. | |
solutions, I think, yes, the acknowledging the problem exists is | :54:15. | :54:22. | |
a first step and looking at to move forward and actually acknowledge the | :54:23. | :54:25. | |
positive contributions that these communities are making and have made | :54:26. | :54:32. | |
is really important because... But what would specifically address the | :54:33. | :54:38. | |
situation for the women in particular that Louise Casey focuses | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
on who don't work and who don't speak English? | :54:43. | :54:44. | |
I think both of those arguments are really come Paralympics because we | :54:45. | :54:47. | |
have a situation in this country where we have really skilled Muslim | :54:48. | :54:51. | |
women who are ready to access the job market, but face multiple levels | :54:52. | :55:01. | |
of discrimination until employment. That needs to be tackled as well as | :55:02. | :55:09. | |
the issue of getting them to a place where their job needs to be tackle, | :55:10. | :55:14. | |
which would involve English language, but in terms of the | :55:15. | :55:18. | |
English language issue that has come up, I agree that being able to have | :55:19. | :55:22. | |
a good command of the English language gives you best access to | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
provision, it gives you best access to education and services and | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
knowing your rights, but that's not to say those women who don't speak | :55:32. | :55:35. | |
English, Muslim or not, are not integrated and that misnomer really | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
needs to be challenged. I want to bring in David. What's important | :55:40. | :55:45. | |
about the vie, it is so much more robust in its language and so much | :55:46. | :55:52. | |
more unblinking in its analysis and it is very critical of the | :55:53. | :55:56. | |
well-meaning reports that we produced over the years and one of | :55:57. | :55:59. | |
the really important things is of course, she acknowledges there is | :56:00. | :56:01. | |
discrimination, of course, she acknowledges that many of these | :56:02. | :56:04. | |
communities in some of the poorest most left behind in the whole | :56:05. | :56:10. | |
country, but she also focuses on the self inflicted wounds. She doesn't | :56:11. | :56:12. | |
absolve the | :56:13. | :56:14. |