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It's Wednesday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

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This morning, he shot a fatally wounded a Taliban

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fighter in cold blood, but should this man,

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His case has been referred to for appeal.

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In his first TV interview we'll talk to Marine A's commanding officer

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who resigned in protest of his treatment.

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And more questions over the actions of Crewe boss Dario Gradi

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and whether he did enough to prevent sexual abuse at the club.

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We'll bring you our exclusive story shortly.

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Also on the programme, we follow the former boxing promoter

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Kelly Malonie as she takes some of her old clothes

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I was once the finest nern England. I was once a boxing promoter, but I

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had an issue with my life. I believe I was born in the wrong body and

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throughout my life I struggled and I came to terms with myself and I

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transitioned. Plus a little later in the programme

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we'll bring you the first interview with three families of victims

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of serial killer Stephen Port. They've told us they're all planning

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on suing the Met Police And as always, you can get in touch

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on all the stories we're talking about this morning, use

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the hashtag Victoria Live and If you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate. More than 50 people have been killed

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in Indonesia after a strong earthquake struck the northern

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province of Aceh - the area of the country devastated

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by a tsunami in 2004. Many more people are thought to be

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trapped in the rubble The region has borne the brunt

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of this morning's earthquake. Local officials say

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many lives have been It's feared more people could be

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trapped beneath the rubble. It struck at dawn as many people

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were preparing for morning prayers. TRANSLATION: This morning I received

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the report about the earthquake. And I've already ordered

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all agencies to take action. And soon the chief of presidential

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staff will be going there. The earthquake struck offshore,

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about 170 kilometres from the city of Banda Aceh,

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the capital of Aceh Province on the Sumatra island,

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measuring a magnitude of 6.4. The effects were felt

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across much of the province. This area was devastated 12 years

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ago, when an earthquake with a magnitude of 9.2 triggered

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a tsunami that killed 170,000 People fled the streets,

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forced from their homes. Emergency workers try to help

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and assess the damage. So far, several people have

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been taken to hospital. And others try and leave the area,

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fearing further after-shocks. Indonesian's meteorological agency

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said there is no risk of the tsunami but there has been an appeal

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for more people to come and help in the search and rescue as they try

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and cope with the scale Our reporter Mehulika Sitepu is in

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the Indonesian capital Jakarta. What is the latest on the rescue

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efforts? Oh, well, heavy machinery is now being used to help escavate

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the rubble and more machinery are sent to the district because they

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are short of escavators. The Chief-of-Staff is heading to the

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area to report to the president so that they can plan what they can do

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to the area and people affected with the quake. And what about

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aftershocks? It is reported at least five aftershocks happened after the

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quake. I talked to one of the residents, so after the quake

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happened, they actually ran out of their houses, fled to the higher

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ground because they were afraid of a tsunami because they are still in

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trauma of what happened in 2004. They say that even though emergency

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tents, they are afraid to get into the tents or get into their houses

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because they are traumatised that aftershocks or more quakes will

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happen. Annita is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary The number of patients waiting four

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hours or more to be allocated a bed in hospitals in England has risen

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significantly over A study of NHS England data by BBC

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News shows that more than one in ten patients admitted for urgent care

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last year faced long delays - that's almost a five-fold

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increase since 2011. You've a beautiful

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calendar for next year... By any standards, Norman Sykes

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is extremely frail. At 92 he's had a series of strokes

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and has dementia as a result. In March he was taken to a need

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where, despite a doctor's warning that this life was at risk,

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he had to wait for five hours I was shocked to find out

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that he had to wait in a corridor. I was further exasperated that once

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he was in A it then took another five hours before they were able

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to find a bed and Mr Sykes' experience has become

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increasingly the common. In 2010-2011, fewer than 100,000

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people were kept on trolleys or temporary beds for longer

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than the NHS' four hour maximum. By 2015-2016, it was more

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than 470,000, although that number was slightly inflated by a new way

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of calculating trolley waits. Patients on so-called trolley waits

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are a symptom of a deeper problem. For safety and efficiency,

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hospitals should have no more than 85% of their beds occupied,

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but almost three-quarters of England's hospital trusts have

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exceeded that figure. Health Service figures for Scotland,

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Wales and Northern Ireland aren't directly comparable with England,

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but do suggest an increasing Doctors say many hospitals

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are already dangerously full. With winter coming, demand

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is likely only to increase. Two drugs firms have been fined

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almost ?90 million after hiking the cost of an anti-epilepsy

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drug by up to 2006%. The Competition and Markets

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Authority said drug-maker Pfizer and distributor Flynn Pharma broke

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competition law in 2013 when they increased the cost

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of a medicine used by around 48,000 Both companies say they will appeal

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against the decision. The senior UN official in Yemen has

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accused the world of turning a blind eye to a worsening humanitarian

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disaster there after twenty Jamie McGoldrick told BBC News that

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children were dying of hunger because the international response

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was "extraordinarily underfunded". He said the country's infrastructure

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had collapsed and more than half the population lacked

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the means to sustain itself. And later in the programme,

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Victoria will be talking to Oxfam to find out more

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about the situation in Yemen. Government forces in Syria have

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taken control of more rebel strongholds in the divided

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city of Aleppo. Reports say they've captured five

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more previously rebel-held areas, and now have control

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of all of Aleppo's historic The army, which is being supported

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by Russian forces, has now seized about seventy percent of territory

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held by rebel forces in Aleppo Authorities in Bolivia have arrested

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the head of the airline involved in last week's plane crash

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in Colombia that killed 71 people including most

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of the Brazilian football team, The plane, operated by the LaMia

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airline, was flying from Bolivia to the city of Medellin

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when it ran out of fuel. New powers to prevent people

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being stalked are to be introduced Officers will be able to apply

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for Stalking Protection Orders as soon as people raise the alarm,

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which would ban suspects from approaching their targets

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and sending them messages The move comes after the number

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of stalking offences reported to police increased by more

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than 1,000 over the past year. The Royal Navy's former flagship HMS

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Illustrious will make its final voyage this morning when it sails

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from Portsmouth on its The aircraft carrier

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was decommissioned in 2014 after 32 years in service

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in which it was deployed as far afield as the Falkland Islands

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and the Persian Gulf. It had been hoped that the ship

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could be kept in the UK, but last year the Government

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announced it was being sold to a Turkish scrapyard

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for ?2 million. That's a summary of the latest BBC

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News - more at 9.30. Do get in touch with us

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throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

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and if you text, you will be charged Sad sad news. Good morning. Sad

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news, indeed this morning. The Dubai ladies Masters first round was

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suspended after the caddy of French player collapsed on the 13th

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fairway. Here she is being consoled. We don't see her caddy. She has not

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been named -- he has not been named as yet. He was treated by the

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medical team in Dubai before he was taken to hospital where he died. The

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tournament has been reduced. Play will resume. The European Tour

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offered heartfelt condolences to the individual's family and loved ones.

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Let's talk about the Champions League. What are the highlights?

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Yes, it was a good night for Arsene Wenger. They went to Basel and won

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4-1. They topped Group A. It was a special night for Lucas Perez. He

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helped them finish top of their group for the first time in four

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years. Paris St Germain drew. The Gunners to still face the likes of

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Real Madrid and Bayern Munich, so they will be hoping for a favourable

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draw. Manchester City finished second. They drew with Celtic who go

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out of Europe altogether. Novak Djokovic is making changes to try to

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get back to the number one spot in tennis? Indeed, Victoria. It has

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been a difficult time of late for Novak Djokovic. I say difficult, but

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he is still the world's number two player. The rise of Andy Murray has

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been food for thought for Novak Djokovic. This time last year he had

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twice as many ranking points as his nearest rival, although he won the

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Australian and French Opens, he decided to split from his coach

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Boris Becker with whom he has worked for the past three years. The pair

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won six Grand Slam titles in their time together and they say they have

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achieved their targets, the Serbian talked of personal issues and he has

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struggled with injury. A new direction could be what he needs to

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drive him on to the 13th Grand Slam, Victoria. And cheer leading at the

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Olympics? Stay with me on this one! I was surprised when I heard the

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news as well, thinking, surely, it must be an American thing. Well,

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there are many countries that would be wanting to take part, the

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International Cheer leading Union boast over 100 national federations

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and more than 4.5 million registered athletes which is rather a lot.

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Importantly as well for the International Olympic Committee the

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sport has a youth focus as they are looking to build for the future. It

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won't ever necessarily make the Games, but it has received

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provisional recognition as an Olympic sport. That means they can

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get IOC funding and they apply for a place in the Games so it is a

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possibility for the future, Victoria. Thank you very much, Hugh.

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This morning, more questions over the actions of Crewe boss

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Dario Gradi and whether he did enough to prevent sexual abuse

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at the club where he was the manager and is now Director of Football.

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A mother of one ex-youth player has told this

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programme she wrote - anonymously - to him more

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than 25 years ago, back in 1989-1990, saying

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she was concerned that boys were being asked to stay overnight

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in the same bedroom as an adult member of staff and warning

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Dario Gradi has consistently said he didn't know anything

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about alleged abuse until 1994 - five years later.

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Dario Gradi one of the longest serving managers in the professional

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game. He has been at Crewe for more than 30 years. Anyone that's been

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following events in football recently will know that Crewe has

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been at the centre of some of these abuse allegations. People want to

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know what did people in authority know back then? And could more have

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been done to protect young players? Well, as you say, we have been

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speaking to a mother of one young trainee around the end of the 80s

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and the beginning of the 90ings she says she wrote an anonymous letter

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to Dario Gradi back then raising concerns about some of the ways

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young players were being treated including, she says, her young boy

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was being taken away for away games overnight. Was being kept in a hotel

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and often there weren't enough bedrooms available for the boys so

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he was being forced and other boys were forced to share a room with

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adult members of stasmt. She is not saying abuse took place, she is

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saying she wrote this letter saying, "Look this arrangement was totally

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inappropriate." She wanted Dario Gradi to take action, she says, to

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stop this. This is what she told us.

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So I wrote to Dario Gradi to say I was concerned that a member of staff

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was taking the young footballers on footballing weekends and they

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hadn't, they were telling the young boys that they hadn't booked enough

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beds for all the boys and some of them would have to share beds with

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this member of staff and so I said in a letter that I thought it was

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totally inappropriate and it was easily remedied that they could get

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some more beds. I asked if he could look into, you know, what was going

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on. I didn't make any accusations because I didn't know what was going

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on. I didn't have proof. I just wanted someone to find out why

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members of staff were sleeping with young boys. Why do you write

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anonymously? I did not want them to take it out on my son.

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I did not trust them. I thought they may just say, we don't want your son

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in our team if you are going to cause trouble. I was pretty weak at

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the time, probably not the best thing to do. But you were worried?

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Yes, it was that good instinct. I have no proof. And the fact this

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member of staff did not feed my son, son he did really well, my son lost

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such a lot of weight, over two or three days. I said, why did you not

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go and buy some food? He said, the member of staff had taken the money

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off him, he did not have any, they had no way of getting food or

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anything. Your letter was purely about the sleeping arrangements?

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Yes. Do you know if Dario Gradi got the letter, read the letter? I have

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no idea. I thought it will take time, because they may be doing

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covert investigations, naive me. Nothing happened. As far as I know,

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nothing happened. There was another weekend that my son wanted to go on,

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so he went on this weekend, he had money in his bags, I said, you can

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go, but if you don't feel right about anything, you must either

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phone me... Because if you don't, I will come to get you. Hopefully I

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did not frighten him, but I said I would come and get him. He did phone

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me, and I said, are you OK? He said, we have been showing some horror

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movies. It turned out he had his own bedroom, but even then there were

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boys sharing beds with members of staff. My son sounded when he phoned

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me. They had done nothing, because they were still sharing a bed. It

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might be hard to answer, but when you reflect, do you think there was

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more you could have done then? I did speak to a social worker, and she

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said that if nothing had happened to my son, they could not do anything,

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and it was up to other people's parents to report it. And to take my

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son away from the School of excellence if I was worried. He

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wanted to take football, so that fosters occult. I spoke to a police

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officer who did not share my concerns, so that got nowhere. I

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wrote to two National newspapers, but I am not aware that anything

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happened. Asking them to investigate, just to see what was

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going on. I could have done a lot more, I suppose, but I did not have

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evidence. I did not know of anyone else. I did not really know, it was

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a gut instinct, really. It was very difficult.

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They are men now, but all of those children. Somebody must have known

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it was going on, it cannot just have been me. It cannot just have been me

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that told somebody something was going on, there is no way. Out of

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all those parents or people watching the football, it can't have been

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just me. I find it very odd. You did as much as you could. I want to say

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I am sorry to those lads that got abused, because I could have done

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more. But it is all hindsight. She is the mum of one youth player.

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Her bawling was about children sleeping in bed with adults and the

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under booking of beds -- her warning. It was not about abuse.

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What have Dario Gradi and Crewe said?

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Well, Mr Gradi has previously said he "knew nothing" about the alleged

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abuse of young footballers by anyone connected with the club until 1994,

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five years after this mum wrote her anonymous letter.

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We don't know if this letter was ever received or read

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by Mr Gradi or anyone else at the club.

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In a statement last night he said to us, "Aside

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from denying any wrongdoing, it would be unfair on all parties

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to comment piecemeal through the media at this time."

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And we now know that the FA expects to interview Dario Gradi

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There was a report in the Independent newspaper last week,

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about him when he was at Chelsea. The allegation is he smoothed over

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more allegations of abuse against a man called Eddie Heath, a youth

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trainer and coach at Chelsea at the time. Dario Gradi denies wrongdoing.

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Yesterday our colleague Dan Roan spoke to Mr Gradi outside

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Hello. Can we ask if you have considered your position, given what

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has happened? I have made my statement, I have nothing more to

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add. Did you want to apologise to the players? Steve Waters has not

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had an apology. What are your links with Eddie Heath? What are your legs

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with Eddie Heath? -- your links? And Matt Le Tissier also spoke out

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about abuse last night? A man who played eight

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times for England and one of Southampton's best-loved players,

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spent his whole career Last night he spoke

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out for the first time about the allegations around

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Bob Higgins, the former He said he doesn't consider himself

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a victim of sexual abuse, but did see what he describes

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as inappropriate behaviour. I became a schoolboy late, I did not

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have a great deal of time as a schoolboy. My apprenticeship came

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quickly afterwards. Boys talk at that age, they take the Mickey, it

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gets covered up as banter at that stage. When you grow into an adult

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and you look back, you think, that is not right. " boys used to stay

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over at his house, and that was quite commonplace. How do you look

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at that now? It would never be allowed in this day and age. There

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was one time on one of the few occasions I chemicals to Southampton

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I was due to stay at his house, and the day before I was told, no, you

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will stay at one of the other players who with their parents.

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Looking back, I feel less that happen. -- blessed. Was it just

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banter? How was it reviewed at the time? When I was there, everyone was

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naked, getting thrown on this bed, very quick massage. It was

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uncomfortable, it was something I was not used to, growing up, even at

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school, you were shy about your body at that age, you did not address in

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front of other people. I remember feeling very uncomfortable. You

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experienced it? Yes. How do you look at it now? It is very, very wrong.

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Looking back on it, you think it was wrong. But as a young boy, you saw

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everybody else doing it, and you thought, right, is this normal?

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Clearly, it wasn't. The BBC hasn't been able to speak

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to Mr Higgins, who until recently He has in the past

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denied the allegations, and he was acquitted of sexual-abuse

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charges in 1992. And, yet more revelations,

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this time about a London club? This is about Queens Park Rangers,

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QPR, and a man called Chris Gieler. He was at the club for 30 years,

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working in youth development We spoke last night to a former

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player who said he was sexually Touched inappropriately

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when he was just 15. Speaking anonymously, he said, "He,

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that's Chris Gieler, I had an ice pack on my groin

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and he started touching my groin." He went on to say he "slapped his

:25:54.:26:01.

hand out of the way" We also spoke to a second QPR

:26:02.:26:04.

player, again this is anonymously. He told us that although he didn't

:26:05.:26:10.

suffer abuse himself, Mr Gieler used to give the boys

:26:11.:26:12.

presents and gifts, and he felt overall his actions

:26:13.:26:14.

were often inappropriate. QPR say they take these allegations

:26:15.:26:18.

very seriously and will cooperate A couple of messages from those of

:26:19.:26:39.

you who were watching the mother of one former youth player at Crewe

:26:40.:26:42.

Alexandra. One says, the poor woman is blaming herself, and she told

:26:43.:26:48.

people what was happening. Another person says, she did more than so

:26:49.:26:53.

many others that knew more. If you have been affected by any of these

:26:54.:26:57.

issues, you can find a list of helplines on our website.

:26:58.:27:07.

Still to come, we follow the former boxing promoter who revealed just

:27:08.:27:09.

over two years ago she was living as a woman as she takes her old

:27:10.:27:15.

clothes, she wore throughout her career, to donate to refugees in

:27:16.:27:16.

France. The families of three of the victims

:27:17.:27:18.

of serial killer Stephen Port have told this programme that they're

:27:19.:27:21.

intending to sue the Met Police. They'll be with me in the studio

:27:22.:27:24.

to tell us why just after 10am. Time for the latest news headlines.

:27:25.:27:43.

More than 50 people have been killed in Indonesia after a strong

:27:44.:27:49.

earthquake struck the northern province of Aceh.

:27:50.:27:59.

The 6.5 magnitude quake struck offshore in the early

:28:00.:28:01.

Dozens of buildings have collapsed and people are feared

:28:02.:28:05.

The number of patients waiting four hours or more to be allocated a bed

:28:06.:28:09.

in hospitals in England has risen significantly over

:28:10.:28:11.

A study of NHS data by BBC News shows that more than one in ten

:28:12.:28:15.

patients admitted for urgent care last year faced long delays -

:28:16.:28:18.

that's almost a five-fold increase since 2011.

:28:19.:28:20.

NHS England said "growing demand" was putting pressure on the system.

:28:21.:28:26.

But it said the vast amount of patients were treated within four

:28:27.:28:29.

hours of. Two drugs firms have been fined

:28:30.:28:35.

after hiking the cost of an anti-epileptic drug by up to 2006%.

:28:36.:28:40.

The Competition and Markets Authority said drug maker Pfizer

:28:41.:28:42.

and distributor Flynn Pharma broke competition law in 2013

:28:43.:28:44.

when they increased the cost of a medicine used by around 48,000

:28:45.:28:47.

Both companies say they will appeal against the decision.

:28:48.:28:55.

The senior UN official in Yemen has accused the world of turning a blind

:28:56.:29:01.

eye to a worsening humanitarian disaster there after twenty

:29:02.:29:03.

Jamie McGoldrick told BBC News that children were dying of hunger

:29:04.:29:07.

because the international response was "extraordinarily underfunded".

:29:08.:29:09.

He said the country's infrastructure had collapsed and more than half

:29:10.:29:12.

the population lacked the means to sustain itself.

:29:13.:29:23.

your messages, Harry says, why is this still going on? When is this

:29:24.:29:31.

going to end? Time for the latest sport.

:29:32.:29:36.

The Dubai Ladies Masters first round was suspended after a caddie

:29:37.:29:41.

collapsed on the 13th fairway. It was a sad scene. This is a picture

:29:42.:29:47.

of her being consoled. He has not yet been named, but he was treated

:29:48.:29:51.

before being taken to hospital, where he later died.

:29:52.:29:56.

Arsenal finished top of their Champions League group for the first

:29:57.:30:00.

time in four seasons, with a 4-1 butchery at Basel. Lucas Perez

:30:01.:30:05.

scored a hat-trick. Manchester City finished second in their group, they

:30:06.:30:10.

drew 1-1 against Celtic, who dropped out of Celtic -- Europe.

:30:11.:30:18.

Keaton Jennings will become Alastair Cook's latest opening partner.

:30:19.:30:24.

England are 2-0 in the five match series. Could cheer leading become

:30:25.:30:31.

an Olympic sport? The discipline received provisional recognition as

:30:32.:30:34.

an Olympic sport which means it can get IOC funding. It can also apply

:30:35.:30:38.

for a place in the Games three years from now. That's all the sport for

:30:39.:30:43.

now. I will be back with more after 10am.

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Frank Maloney was a British boxing promoter who managed the likes

:30:48.:30:50.

of undisputed heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis.

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Just over two years ago she announced that she was living

:30:53.:30:54.

as a woman and undergoing gender reassignment.

:30:55.:30:56.

Now Kellie Maloney's decided to donate her old clothes

:30:57.:30:59.

to refugees in France where she also wanted to see

:31:00.:31:01.

first-hand the challenges faced by lesbian, gay,

:31:02.:31:03.

bisexual and transgender refugees who fled their homes

:31:04.:31:05.

because of persecution due to their sexuality

:31:06.:31:06.

I need as much PR out of this as possible!

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In the last 24 hours, the 61-year-old has revealed

:31:17.:31:24.

This jacket was one of the first jackets I ever got.

:31:25.:31:37.

It was given to me by the TV company that promoted Lennox's fights.

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And it's got a lot of history and a lot of value to it.

:31:44.:31:49.

I used to buy a suit after every fight and this was my first real

:31:50.:31:52.

sort of expensive suit I bought in New York, just after Lewis

:31:53.:31:55.

As soon as I saw this in the Italian shop in New York,

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I thought do you know what, I've got to have that suit,

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and I bought it, and I would get people saying to me,

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who do you think you are, wearing it, a gangster?

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And I would say, I could be, couldn't I?

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And I went and had this suit made in London,

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it's from old English worsted and I wanted a Rupert Bear type suit

:32:27.:32:29.

Actually if I had to pay for it it would have been about ?3000.

:32:30.:32:34.

But the tailors gave it to me as long as I gave them a free ad

:32:35.:32:38.

in the programme which was good because I used to do

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The amount of money I paid, over the years, for these suits,

:32:42.:32:44.

I will admit I have kept one jacket that I'm not going to give away.

:32:45.:32:53.

That was my Lennox Lewis world title jacket.

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These are part of my life and my history and I was keeping it

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and I was going to do some boot sales this coming summer and donate

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But, you know, I've always watched on television,

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And I realised, like, I've got so much stuff here,

:33:17.:33:20.

instead of selling it, it might be beneficial

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I'm just finally, I suppose, cutting the final strings,

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and it's taken me quite a bit of time to bury Frank, I suppose,

:33:28.:33:31.

because he was such a larger than life character.

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And sometimes I get upset about it, and other times, I think, it's just,

:33:37.:33:40.

it was someone that really lived a life that wasn't the true life.

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You know, it's time now to let the past and let Frank

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I think the clothes will be going to a good cause now.

:33:50.:34:02.

I've watched lots of programmes on the refugees and I've got

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But I don't think anyone's ever covered the LGBT refugees,

:34:06.:34:10.

what they've been through, to get to where they are.

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Besides losing their country and some of their family,

:34:18.:34:20.

they've had to come to terms with themselves and come out

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in a society which, you know, if you are trans or gay,

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And I feel their journey would have been a lot harder than mine.

:34:26.:34:44.

We should have brought the chocolate with us?

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To see this first-hand has made me see things so different.

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I work for myself, helping people that suffer with identity

:35:49.:35:56.

I believe that I was born in the wrong body and throughout my

:35:57.:36:05.

life I struggled and eventually I came to terms with myself

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and I transitioned to the person I am today.

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And now I'm on a mission to try and help people.

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Have they got a hospital here in the camp?

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We have lots of clothes that you can take.

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This is a nice jacket for one of the boys.

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Most of these were all my clothes at one time.

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This is all part of my life now disappearing.

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Yesterday was quite an emotional day, because to meet the people

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Because in one way they seemed contented but in the conditions

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they were living in, it was disgraceful.

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When we got talking they started to ask me personal

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Trying to explain that I was a man in a previous life,

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I know that when we gave them the clothes and I said to them,

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these were mine, a couple of the guys' eyes, sort of looked...

:37:44.:37:46.

What would be like to be in that camp as an LGBT

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Today we're in Paris, where we're actually having some

:37:52.:37:58.

meetings set up with some refugees that are from the LGBT community.

:37:59.:38:01.

And I want to meet with them and ask them what their experience was,

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getting here to France, and what life is like for them now.

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We heard someone screaming loud, oh, a woman and a woman!

:38:20.:38:24.

Come and see these two stupid women of the highest order.

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So we were scared immediately, we ran.

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Me I fell down, I was paraded in front of all the traders,

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I tried to plead, saying, no, we were just there was just

:38:37.:39:02.

whispering in her ear, but nobody would listen.

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I tried to plead, saying, no, we were just...

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I was just whispering in her ear, but nobody would listen.

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They were saying, let's burn her, let's

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Contaminated which needs to be wiped out.

:39:31.:39:34.

In order not to contaminate the younger generations.

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I am a trans woman and I've actually been to

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What would people of Uganda, would they accept

:39:39.:39:46.

a trans person or would they be discriminated against in Uganda?

:39:47.:39:49.

You would expect to face a lot of threats of violence, even possible

:39:50.:39:52.

It is dangerous in Uganda to live an LGBT life.

:39:53.:40:03.

You can't come out in public and speak, you are hated.

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Your family, have they accepted you or have they

:40:20.:40:23.

My family members have said, if they come across me,

:40:24.:40:29.

they are the ones who will hand me to the police, what

:40:30.:40:32.

How do you feel now that you are in Paris and have met other refugees

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that have gone through the same experience?

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I have no fear, I am enjoying my life.

:40:43.:40:44.

The LGBT refugees that come here and ask for asylum on the

:40:45.:41:11.

reason of sexual orientation, normally they avoid being in a camp

:41:12.:41:17.

and being out in a camp, if you are a gay, lesbian

:41:18.:41:21.

or transgender person and you come in from Syria, for

:41:22.:41:25.

example and you are going to camp, you will be, I think very careful

:41:26.:41:29.

not to say that you are gay, lesbian, or transgender, because

:41:30.:41:34.

this can be very dangerous to be discriminated by your peers.

:41:35.:41:41.

Refugees in general, in France, face very

:41:42.:41:43.

difficult times and to be an LGBT refugee, it's a challenge.

:41:44.:41:56.

I came on this journey because I wanted to

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understand what the refugees, especially gay refugees, suffered to

:42:36.:42:37.

To meet people and understand their journey but being

:42:38.:42:45.

here and personally seeing it and meeting people like Kate and

:42:46.:42:49.

Marmaduke, it has really opened my eyes and made me understand how

:42:50.:42:54.

brave and incredibly strong these people

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are to make this journey and find peace and happiness.

:42:57.:43:00.

Also it was a way of burying the last traces

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I bring what was left of Frank's life,

:43:03.:43:22.

giving it to the refugees who probably needed it more

:43:23.:43:24.

And you can watch that full fill on our programme

:43:25.:43:28.

Aid agencies accuse the world of ignoring the conflict in Yemen,

:43:29.:43:37.

where half a million children are severely malnourished

:43:38.:43:39.

and the country is just months away from widespread starvation.

:43:40.:43:43.

MPs will vote for the first time later today on the Government's plan

:43:44.:43:48.

to start the formal process of leaving the EU by the end

:43:49.:43:51.

Theresa May says she will publish her proposal for Brexit

:43:52.:43:59.

to avoid a rebellion from within her own party.

:44:00.:44:01.

Some Conservative MPs were set to get together with Labour

:44:02.:44:03.

in Parliament today in a vote to force ministers to publish

:44:04.:44:06.

something, anything, about their plans for Brexit,

:44:07.:44:07.

Let's speak to Labour's Brexit Shadow Minister Jenny Chapman MP,

:44:08.:44:14.

who voted Remain, and Conservative MP Kwasi Kwarteng,

:44:15.:44:16.

Mr Kwarteng, has Theresa May actually got a Brexit plan?

:44:17.:44:26.

I think we do have a Brexit plan. For me, it has always been clear

:44:27.:44:32.

what the plan is. We want to restrict freedom of movement and

:44:33.:44:35.

have wide as possible access... What's her plan? I think that's her

:44:36.:44:40.

planment she made that many times and Government ministers said it

:44:41.:44:43.

many times and I'm not sure what all the fuss is about, frankly. I'm not

:44:44.:44:48.

sure they have said it many times actually, I don't think it is a

:44:49.:44:51.

blueprint, is it? It is very clear... It is clear to you because

:44:52.:44:55.

that's what you want? Well, that's what people voted for. How do you

:44:56.:44:58.

know? Because they voted to leave the EU. It was a vote to leave the

:44:59.:45:05.

EU, but not a blueprint? The polls subsequently suggested that

:45:06.:45:10.

immigration was a big issue, the Remainers said it was a big issue

:45:11.:45:14.

and we want to have as wide access to the single market and the

:45:15.:45:16.

Chancellor said that as has the Prime Minister.

:45:17.:45:20.

Do you back more details, or did you not needed? I have not had an issue

:45:21.:45:30.

with this, I just feel the basic principles were obvious. We needed

:45:31.:45:33.

some restraint on freedom of movement, they may want to restrict

:45:34.:45:39.

our access to the single market, but we don't know what their position

:45:40.:45:43.

will be. Did you back her publishing more details? I would be interested

:45:44.:45:48.

to see them, but I did not see it was necessary. She delivered a sound

:45:49.:45:53.

bite yesterday, we are going for a red, white and blue Brexit. A sound

:45:54.:46:04.

bite? It was a way of saying we will have a British Brexit, some

:46:05.:46:07.

restraint on freedom of proof and, because that is what the polling

:46:08.:46:13.

data suggests people want, and we want access to the single market, as

:46:14.:46:17.

much as possible. It is up to them to decide what the final deal will

:46:18.:46:24.

be. Two parties are negotiating, we don't have an actual say. She has

:46:25.:46:29.

agreed to your demands but she has added one of her own, this vote

:46:30.:46:34.

requiring MPs to vote to back the triggering of article 50. We will

:46:35.:46:39.

vote for that, that has been our position, we respect the referendum,

:46:40.:46:43.

we have said repeatedly we will not block Article 50, ... You happy with

:46:44.:46:50.

her timetable? I welcome the opportunity to put to bed this idea

:46:51.:46:54.

that the Labour Party is a bold in the road that will try to stop this,

:46:55.:47:00.

which is constantly the accusation from the Conservative Party. At

:47:01.:47:04.

least this afternoon we get to get rid of that accusation, by voting

:47:05.:47:10.

accordingly. What is interesting is that when he says he think there is

:47:11.:47:13.

a plan and this is what he would like to see, the trouble is, we are

:47:14.:47:20.

hearing one thing from him and other backbenchers, but we are hearing

:47:21.:47:23.

other messages from the forum secretary which contradict things

:47:24.:47:26.

that David Davis is saying, we are getting glimpses of handwritten

:47:27.:47:30.

notes from meetings, we have had nothing of any substance from the

:47:31.:47:33.

Government, which is why we had to force them to publish their plan,

:47:34.:47:38.

which we have now done. I do not happy about a red, white and blue

:47:39.:47:43.

Brexit? It is absolute nonsense, it probably sounded great in rehearsal,

:47:44.:47:47.

but it is that you are nonsense. When do you want her to publish her

:47:48.:47:53.

details? We would like something well before the end of March,

:47:54.:47:57.

because that is only fair. January would be good. I would expect her to

:47:58.:48:05.

commit to January. We need time to examine it. Business, the select

:48:06.:48:12.

committee and many others would like to see an outline of the plan, the

:48:13.:48:15.

basic plan, that is what we are asking for. What is your ideal

:48:16.:48:22.

scenario? Labour is not going to be negotiating... But you have an ideal

:48:23.:48:29.

scenario. We have priorities. But at the end of the day, with the best

:48:30.:48:33.

will in the world, it is not the Labour Party who is going to be

:48:34.:48:36.

negotiating in Brussels, it is the Government. Our job as the

:48:37.:48:41.

opposition is to challenge, scrutinise... Labour wants full

:48:42.:48:47.

access to the single market, but you have not said how you would achieve

:48:48.:48:50.

that. We think that is the most important priority. Would you

:48:51.:48:54.

continue to accept freedom of movement? We want management of

:48:55.:48:59.

migration as well. These are not unrealistic aims. We think it is a

:49:00.:49:04.

negotiation, you need to go in, say what you would like to achieve, then

:49:05.:49:09.

there is a negotiation. But unless you state where you would like your

:49:10.:49:13.

destination to be, you are not going to land there by accident, you have

:49:14.:49:17.

to start with clarity. The idea that you can keep this to yourself and

:49:18.:49:22.

that nobody will find out is ridiculous, because MEPs will be

:49:23.:49:30.

told. It is not ridiculous. The idea that they will keep it all to

:49:31.:49:37.

themselves and there will be no... You have not asked me, but when you

:49:38.:49:42.

enter a negotiation, you don't reveal everything that you want. You

:49:43.:49:47.

know the plan anyway. I know what the broad plan is, that is what

:49:48.:49:51.

Jenny said, we want to restrict freedom of movement and the widest

:49:52.:49:53.

possible access to the single market. You said manage immigration.

:49:54.:49:59.

Unless you wanted unrestrained immigration, that is a restriction,

:50:00.:50:05.

some form of management. We can play with words all morning. The main

:50:06.:50:08.

point is the principles are clear will stop I am disappointed you feel

:50:09.:50:13.

the Government has not made that clear, because they have said it

:50:14.:50:16.

again and again, maybe we should say it more often. The Government is

:50:17.:50:20.

saying contradictory things. Last Thursday David Davis said that he

:50:21.:50:25.

expected we would make contributions to the EU budget after we had left.

:50:26.:50:32.

To have access to the single market. Indeed, but Boris Johnson says he

:50:33.:50:35.

think it is pure speculation, not necessarily the case. It is

:50:36.:50:41.

speculation. This what the Secretary of State for leaving the EU at the

:50:42.:50:45.

dispatch box in response to a question saying there is. Who is in

:50:46.:50:51.

charge? We have not even started article 50 process. The Germans have

:50:52.:50:58.

said clearly that they do not want any renegotiation, they want to stop

:50:59.:51:01.

once we have triggered article 50. Everything we say before it is

:51:02.:51:05.

triggered is regulation. So there is no plan. I have said there is a

:51:06.:51:17.

plan, we want... We want to restrict freedom of movement and we want the

:51:18.:51:19.

widest possible access to the single market. It is regulation insofar as

:51:20.:51:25.

we don't know what the other people are going to say. It would be great

:51:26.:51:30.

to decide exactly what the outcome is, but that is not the process. We

:51:31.:51:35.

have 27 countries with different ideas, and we have to negotiate with

:51:36.:51:36.

them. It's day three of proceedings

:51:37.:51:40.

at the Supreme Court, with more legal argument over

:51:41.:51:42.

who has the right to We'll be getting the latest

:51:43.:51:44.

at about 10:45am, but if you want to watch what's happening

:51:45.:51:49.

inside the court without interruption, you can go to the BBC

:51:50.:51:51.

News website at bbc.co.uk/Brexit. Sergeant Alexander Blackman,

:51:52.:52:00.

the royal marine who was sentenced to life imprisonment for shooting

:52:01.:52:03.

dead an already badly-wounded Taliban fighter in Afghanistan five

:52:04.:52:05.

years ago, has had his case referred It now means there's

:52:06.:52:08.

a "real possibility" that his conviction could be

:52:09.:52:12.

quashed, and he could be home before Sergeant Blackman, who initially

:52:13.:52:16.

was referred to as Marine A, He says he did so whilst under

:52:17.:52:21.

intense combat stress. The whole incident was filmed

:52:22.:52:28.

on the headcam of another soldier. After firing the shot,

:52:29.:52:32.

you can hear Sergeant Blackman tell his colleagues he's just broken

:52:33.:52:34.

the Geneva Convention on how If you don't want to hear

:52:35.:52:37.

it, turn your TV down Anyone to do first aid on this

:52:38.:52:46.

idiot? Colonel Oliver Lee was Blackman's

:52:47.:53:23.

commanding officer In Helmand. He resigned his commission soon

:53:24.:53:28.

after he was sentenced. I spoke to him in his first

:53:29.:53:32.

TV interview about it. For two reasons. Principally, I felt

:53:33.:53:49.

that the proceedings relating to him had omitted a series of very

:53:50.:53:55.

important factors that would have been material to his case, and I

:53:56.:54:04.

felt that was deeply regrettable. Secondly, a slightly more subtle

:54:05.:54:10.

reason. It seems a peculiar idea that my career would continue to

:54:11.:54:18.

flourish and move forward when somebody working alongside me and

:54:19.:54:23.

for whom I had to command responsibility was serving a life

:54:24.:54:27.

sentence for murder. Tell us what those important factors were that

:54:28.:54:30.

you believe should have been considered in his case that were

:54:31.:54:38.

not. It is difficult for anybody who has not been in that position, and I

:54:39.:54:43.

have not been in the same position that he was in on that particular

:54:44.:54:51.

operational tour, to understand the level of extreme stress that is

:54:52.:54:54.

bearing down on somebody who is being asked to do what was asked of

:54:55.:55:02.

him. I think there are also a series of broader factors associated with

:55:03.:55:08.

preparations for a tour like that, oversight of a tour like that, that

:55:09.:55:13.

are highly material to his case, and that were not considered at least as

:55:14.:55:18.

far as I can see in any great degree of detail in proceedings that have

:55:19.:55:24.

been against him. But it is illegal to shoot a wounded soldier.

:55:25.:55:33.

Absolutely. That is entirely right. It is consistently why I have made

:55:34.:55:37.

the point that I neither seek to condone his actions, nor do I seek

:55:38.:55:43.

to exonerate him from his response abilities of. But I think it is

:55:44.:55:47.

right and proper in order for him to be dealt with justly and fairly, and

:55:48.:55:54.

by that I don't mean leniently, for all the factors that were at play at

:55:55.:55:58.

that particular moment too bigoted carefully and in the round by the

:55:59.:56:04.

appropriate legal authority -- to be considered carefully. What do you

:56:05.:56:13.

think should happen to him now? I don't know the answer to that

:56:14.:56:18.

question, because I am not a lawyer, I am the son of lawyers, but I am

:56:19.:56:21.

not a lawyer. I respect rightly the legal system. I simply wish that

:56:22.:56:29.

what should happen from here, and I am delighted with the announcement,

:56:30.:56:33.

is that in the round, in the broadest sense, to include all of

:56:34.:56:37.

the factors at play, his case is considered carefully, such that he

:56:38.:56:42.

is dealt with in a just and fair manner. Our audience heard earlier

:56:43.:56:50.

some of the audio that recorded him and his colleagues around the time

:56:51.:56:55.

of the shooting dead of the Taliban soldier. He said things like, no,

:56:56.:57:05.

not on his head, because that will be obvious. Move him around.

:57:06.:57:12.

Somebody else says, I am going to switch this camera off. Then he

:57:13.:57:18.

says, I have just broken the Geneva Convention. I can't possibly, and

:57:19.:57:28.

nor what I conceive of, condoning that or seeking to exonerate anybody

:57:29.:57:32.

from their responsibilities who has been involved in that. The

:57:33.:57:38.

fundamental principle upon which I led the commando in Afghanistan had

:57:39.:57:44.

ten principles, the first one was to treat Afghans with dignity, and I

:57:45.:57:49.

believe in that fundamentally. However, that does not conflict with

:57:50.:57:53.

my view, which is that all of the factors in play in his case should

:57:54.:57:59.

be available to the legal authority in order for the legal authority to

:58:00.:58:01.

take a judgment that is just unfair. In the next hour, we will speak to

:58:02.:58:14.

his lawyer. Needs to do with the earthquake in

:58:15.:58:18.

Indonesia. The latest reports say the death toll has risen to 97. 97

:58:19.:58:26.

people now known to have been killed, after the 6.5 magnitude

:58:27.:58:30.

earthquake that struck. The death toll now 97.

:58:31.:58:37.

We will bring you the latest news and sport in a moment, but before

:58:38.:58:39.

that, the weather. It is not cold, it has been a mild

:58:40.:58:44.

start, and it still is mild. There is a chance that Northern

:58:45.:59:02.

Ireland could break its December ten of June record today, it have to

:59:03.:59:08.

break 16 Celsius for that to happen. We have the mild air cos it has been

:59:09.:59:13.

pumping up from the Azores through the course of yesterday evening and

:59:14.:59:15.

overnight, winding high temperatures by night and by morning. As we go

:59:16.:59:24.

through today, we are looking at quite a lot of cloud for some of us,

:59:25.:59:28.

but there will be some good sunshine around. We have a weather front

:59:29.:59:33.

moving south across northern and western Scotland, getting to the

:59:34.:59:37.

east, and the same for Northern Ireland. It will have an impact on

:59:38.:59:40.

the temperature. If the rain comes early, the temperature won't have a

:59:41.:59:46.

chance to climb higher. Cloud for Northern Ireland, sunny breaks. The

:59:47.:59:51.

North could hit 16. We also have the rain moving across Scotland. Not

:59:52.:59:55.

heavy. Warmer around the Moray Firth. As we pushed down into

:59:56.:00:01.

northern England and North Wales, the weather front producing the

:00:02.:00:06.

rain. South of that, a fair amount of sunshine. A lot of sunny spells.

:00:07.:00:13.

There will be a bit more cloud. Not as windy as it will be in the north

:00:14.:00:17.

and west. As we push into the south-west of England, a fair bit of

:00:18.:00:21.

sunshine. We will see the cloud built, as it will do across Wales,

:00:22.:00:26.

then the rain comes in. Gales across the North and west of Scotland. We

:00:27.:00:30.

could well have some severe gales with exposure. The rain coming

:00:31.:00:36.

south, it turns around and starts to come back north. It will be heavy

:00:37.:00:42.

and persistent. Also windy. It is not going to be a cold night, we are

:00:43.:00:46.

not expecting frost problems anywhere.

:00:47.:00:51.

Chancellor said that as has the Prime Minister.

:00:52.:00:53.

Tomorrow we start off with the rain. That pushes off into the North Sea

:00:54.:00:59.

leaving cloud and misty conditions and hill fog and drizzle. The far

:01:00.:01:03.

north of England and Northern Ireland and Scotland, still seeing a

:01:04.:01:07.

fair bit of cloud at times, but here it will break and we will see

:01:08.:01:10.

sunshine with a few showers peppering the west of Scotland.

:01:11.:01:15.

Temperatures ten to 13. So just a touch down on today.

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Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us.

:01:22.:01:27.

The families of three of the victims of serial killer Stephen Port tell

:01:28.:01:30.

this programme that they're launching legal action to try to sue

:01:31.:01:33.

More questions over the actions of Crewe boss Dario Gradi and whether

:01:34.:01:45.

he did enough to prevent sexual abuse at the club? One mum tells us

:01:46.:01:52.

she raised the alarm 25 years ago. Dario Gradi said he has consistently

:01:53.:01:57.

co-operated with allegations of alleged abuse and the first time he

:01:58.:02:02.

knew of any allegations was in 1994. A country suffering starvation and

:02:03.:02:07.

conflict, 500,000 children severely malnourished, 20 months of civil

:02:08.:02:12.

war, but aid agencies say the world doesn't care. We will be speaking to

:02:13.:02:17.

the Red Cross in Yemen later this hour.

:02:18.:02:20.

Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

:02:21.:02:22.

100 people have been killed in Indonesia after a strong

:02:23.:02:30.

earthquake struck the northern province of Aceh -

:02:31.:02:32.

the area of the country devastated by a tsunami in 2004.

:02:33.:02:35.

The 6.5 magnitude quake struck offshore in the early

:02:36.:02:37.

Many people are thought to have been trapped in the rubble of buildings.

:02:38.:02:49.

Our reporter Moholika Sitepu is in the indonesian capital Jakarta.

:02:50.:02:56.

Heavy machinery is now being used to help escavate the rubble and more

:02:57.:03:02.

machinery are sent to the district because they are

:03:03.:03:05.

The President's Chief-of-Staff is heading to the area to report

:03:06.:03:18.

to the president so that they can plan what they can do to the area

:03:19.:03:22.

There are more questions this morning over whether the director

:03:23.:03:35.

of football at Crewe Alexandra FC, Dario Gradi, did enough to prevent

:03:36.:03:38.

A mother of one ex-youth player told this programme she wrote,

:03:39.:03:42.

anonymously, to him in 1989, more than 25 years ago,

:03:43.:03:44.

saying she was concerned that boys were being asked to stay overnight

:03:45.:03:47.

in the same bedroom as an adult member of staff, and warning

:03:48.:03:50.

Carole told us she's devastated action wasn't taken.

:03:51.:04:03.

She didn't allege that abuse had taken place.

:04:04.:04:06.

I could have done a lot more, I suppose, but I didn't have evidence.

:04:07.:04:10.

I didn't know of anyone else, or I didn't know...

:04:11.:04:12.

It was a gut instinct, really, so it was really difficult.

:04:13.:04:16.

It was really difficult, I have to say.

:04:17.:04:18.

I mean, they're men now, but all those children, it's like...

:04:19.:04:26.

Someone must have known it was going on.

:04:27.:04:28.

It can't just have been me that told somebody there

:04:29.:04:35.

Out of all those parents or people watching the football,

:04:36.:04:41.

Dario Gradi has said the first time he knew about any alleged abuse

:04:42.:04:54.

was in 1994 and that he has consistently co-operated

:04:55.:04:57.

The number of patients waiting four hours or more to be allocated a bed

:04:58.:05:02.

in hospitals in England has risen significantly over

:05:03.:05:04.

A study of NHS data by BBC News shows that more than one in ten

:05:05.:05:09.

patients admitted for urgent care last year faced long delays -

:05:10.:05:11.

that's almost a five-fold increase since 2011.

:05:12.:05:14.

NHS England said "growing demand" was putting pressure on the system

:05:15.:05:17.

but the vast amount of patients were treated within four hours.

:05:18.:05:23.

Two drugs firms have been fined almost ?90 million after hiking

:05:24.:05:25.

the cost of an anti-epilepsy drug by up to 2006%.

:05:26.:05:33.

The Competition and Markets Authority said drug-maker Pfizer

:05:34.:05:36.

and distributor Flynn Pharma broke competition law in 2013

:05:37.:05:38.

when they increased the cost of a medicine used by around 48,000

:05:39.:05:41.

Both companies say they will appeal against the decision.

:05:42.:05:55.

The Royal Navy's former flagship HMS Illustrious will make its final

:05:56.:05:58.

voyage this morning when it sails from Portsmouth on its

:05:59.:06:00.

The aircraft carrier was decommissioned in 2014

:06:01.:06:03.

after 32 years in service in which it was deployed as far

:06:04.:06:06.

afield as the Falkland Islands and the Persian Gulf.

:06:07.:06:08.

It had been hoped that the ship could be kept in the UK,

:06:09.:06:11.

but last year the Government announced it was being sold

:06:12.:06:13.

to a Turkish scrapyard for ?2 million.

:06:14.:06:19.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:06:20.:06:21.

A comment from Emma regarding mum Carole who wrote to Dario Gradi at

:06:22.:06:33.

Crewe to talk about inappropriate behaviour. She was the mum of an

:06:34.:06:40.

ex-youth player and Emma tweets this to say, "Carole thank you for

:06:41.:06:45.

speaking out, the intuition and the gut instinct was with many parents.

:06:46.:06:49.

I hope they are brave and speak out." Get in touch with us

:06:50.:06:51.

throughout the morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live

:06:52.:06:55.

and if you text, you will be charged Some very sad news

:06:56.:06:58.

indeed this morning. The Dubai Ladies Masters first

:06:59.:07:06.

round was suspended today after the caddie of

:07:07.:07:17.

a French player collapsed It was a sad scene,

:07:18.:07:18.

here she is being consoled. We don't see the caddie

:07:19.:07:22.

here and he has not been named but was treated by the on-site

:07:23.:07:25.

medical team before being taken to hospital,

:07:26.:07:27.

where he later, tragically, died. The tournament has been reduced

:07:28.:07:29.

to three rounds instead of four The European Tour has offered

:07:30.:07:32.

"heartfelt condolences to the individual's family

:07:33.:07:34.

and loved ones." Arsenal are through to the knock-out

:07:35.:07:36.

stages of the Champions League as group winners -

:07:37.:07:39.

they went to Basel and won 4-1 to top Group A in the Champions League

:07:40.:07:42.

and a particularly special night for Lucas Perez, who scored his

:07:43.:07:45.

first hat-trick for the club helping them finish top of their group

:07:46.:07:47.

in the competition for Paris St Germain drew

:07:48.:07:50.

against Ludogorets, allowing Manchester City finished

:07:51.:07:54.

second in their group. They drew 1-1 with Celtic

:07:55.:08:03.

who go out of Europe all together. England captain Alastair Cook

:08:04.:08:06.

has another new opening partner for the Third Test

:08:07.:08:08.

against India tomorrow. Durham's Keaton Jennings will

:08:09.:08:10.

replace the injured Haseeb Hameed With England trailing the five match

:08:11.:08:12.

series 2-0, the top run scorer in the County Championship will be

:08:13.:08:17.

hoping for an immediate impact. It is a great achievement by him. He

:08:18.:08:28.

scored a lot of runs over the last 18 months or so. He's in form with

:08:29.:08:34.

100 obviously for the Lions last week. It is great. A great

:08:35.:08:39.

opportunity for him. The pressure is off him. He can go out and play and

:08:40.:08:44.

we've got to decide the best balance to the side for us.

:08:45.:08:47.

Premiership rugby and the Rugby Football Union have discussed how

:08:48.:08:50.

and why the Northampton and Wales wing George North was allowed

:08:51.:08:53.

to return to the field of play despite being knocked unconscious

:08:54.:08:58.

North has suffered concussion three times and on Saturday

:08:59.:09:03.

Rules state he should have been immediately withdrawn.

:09:04.:09:07.

But he was returned to the field with Northampton saying

:09:08.:09:10.

However, the club admit all of the TV pictures

:09:11.:09:17.

of the incident weren't available to them pitch-side.

:09:18.:09:21.

North won't play again until he's been independently assessed.

:09:22.:09:30.

And finally, cheerleading, yes cheerleading,

:09:31.:09:32.

The International Cheer Union is the sport's governing body

:09:33.:09:38.

and boasts over 100 national federations, more than 4.5

:09:39.:09:40.

It won't necessarily ever make the Games,

:09:41.:09:44.

but has received provisional recognition as an Olympic sport.

:09:45.:09:46.

It means they can get IOC funding and apply for a place

:09:47.:09:49.

That's all the sport for now. We'll be back more at 10.30am.

:09:50.:09:55.

The families of three of the victims of serial killer Stephen Port have

:09:56.:09:58.

told this programme that they're launching legal

:09:59.:10:01.

action to try and sue the Metropolitan Police.

:10:02.:10:03.

The 41-year-old chef will spend the rest of his life in prison,

:10:04.:10:06.

for the murders of four younger men who he met on dating apps.

:10:07.:10:09.

He'd drugged and raped them, before dumping their bodies close

:10:10.:10:12.

But for many months, the families of Anthony Walgate,

:10:13.:10:17.

Gabriel Kovari, Daniel Whitworth and Jack Taylor, had to endure

:10:18.:10:19.

the anguish of being told by the police that they had died

:10:20.:10:22.

from drugs overdoses or suicide before the police finally

:10:23.:10:24.

linked their deaths and investigated them as murders.

:10:25.:10:35.

In fact it was the families who forced the police to look

:10:36.:10:38.

Sarah Sak is the mother of Anthony Walgate -

:10:39.:10:44.

the first man killed by Stephen Port.

:10:45.:10:46.

Mandy Pearson is the step-mum of Daniel Whitworth.

:10:47.:10:48.

He was the third victim and he was found with a fake suicide

:10:49.:10:51.

note claiming he'd accidentally killed Gabriel Kovari who'd

:10:52.:10:58.

actually been killed by Port the month before.

:10:59.:11:00.

And Donna and Jen Taylor are Jack Taylor's sisters.

:11:01.:11:03.

It was them who forced police to look for a link

:11:04.:11:05.

They join us now in their first joint interview.

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Thank you very much for coming on the programme. We really appreciate

:11:16.:11:22.

it. I'd like to start with you two if I may, Donna and Jen, the police

:11:23.:11:27.

failed to link three similar deaths all in the same area and they said

:11:28.:11:30.

that your brother had died of a drugs overdose. What were you

:11:31.:11:36.

telling the police at this time? It wasn't right. That he wouldn't do

:11:37.:11:41.

drugs. So we knew that he hadn't died of a drugs overdose. We just

:11:42.:11:47.

knew that we had to try and get them to listen to us and try and piece it

:11:48.:11:52.

all together. Yes, it was just, that was just not Jack. He was

:11:53.:11:56.

anti-drugs. And that he wouldn't have gone to an area where they were

:11:57.:12:03.

saying he had gone and sat and we needed them to not just look at the

:12:04.:12:07.

fact that, you know, Jack didn't go to that area and sit down and do

:12:08.:12:11.

that himself and he didn't take the drugs himself, but because we had

:12:12.:12:14.

looked at other bits and pieces to do that with, we needed them to look

:12:15.:12:18.

at the whole situation from our point of view and from what we were

:12:19.:12:22.

finding. So you were saying, look at these previous deaths. Look at this?

:12:23.:12:27.

Yeah. Yeah, because there were too many similarities. We had done a lot

:12:28.:12:33.

of our own homework on it. And there was too many different bits and

:12:34.:12:37.

pieces that you couldn't say were linked, but when it came down to the

:12:38.:12:44.

individual boys, there were so many similarities that to us, linked them

:12:45.:12:49.

and we wanted that to be checked. You were asking questions like for

:12:50.:12:53.

example the bottle of the drug GHB that was found on Jack, a syringe

:12:54.:12:59.

found with him that he didn't use. And they, those items needed to be

:13:00.:13:03.

tested and looked at obviously? Yeah. But it wasn't happening? No.

:13:04.:13:11.

What were you thinking was going on? Well, because it wasn't deemed as a

:13:12.:13:15.

suspicious, they said that those things wouldn't be looked at and

:13:16.:13:20.

there was no need to look at them. They basically had already said that

:13:21.:13:25.

Jack had done an overdose and they were going to wait for toxicology

:13:26.:13:28.

results and that was that. You must have felt like you were

:13:29.:13:31.

banging your head against a brick wall? Yeah, definitely. Sarah,

:13:32.:13:36.

mother of Anthony, thank you for talking to us. Your son, Anthony was

:13:37.:13:41.

the first victim of Stephen Port, but even before Stephen Port met

:13:42.:13:45.

Anthony, you say there were missed opportunities to stop his death?

:13:46.:13:53.

Yes, in 2012, Port was seen at the railway station with a man heavily

:13:54.:13:56.

drugged and distressed and the police have come and seen Port going

:13:57.:14:00.

through his bag and an ambulance was called for this man. This man

:14:01.:14:04.

obviously, he wanted to remain anonymous, he didn't want the police

:14:05.:14:08.

involved or anybody to know, but nothing was done. This man was

:14:09.:14:16.

screaming, "Help. Help me." So why were no notes taken. Nothing was

:14:17.:14:23.

recorded? Not at that time, no. I think straightaway, as soon as you

:14:24.:14:26.

heard Anthony had been found you knew that it wasn't as the police

:14:27.:14:30.

were describing it? The first conversation I had with the police I

:14:31.:14:33.

told them that. There is something not right about this. What did they

:14:34.:14:39.

say to you had happened to him? That he had been found dead in the street

:14:40.:14:45.

and I said, "Heart attack, has he been stabbed? What happened?"

:14:46.:14:50.

Nothing, he has been found dead in the street, we don't know. I said

:14:51.:14:53.

something is not right. Something is not right about this. And one of the

:14:54.:14:58.

things that wasn't right is that he was wearing Stephen Port's T-shirt?

:14:59.:15:05.

Anthony was 5'9", with weighed nine-and-a-half stone, he was as

:15:06.:15:08.

thin as they come and this T-shirt must have been four sizes too big

:15:09.:15:13.

and there was no questions asked. I found out in court, his underwear

:15:14.:15:17.

was on inside out and back to front. So the police never asked, never

:15:18.:15:20.

looked at this and never thought this is a bit strange, I was told by

:15:21.:15:26.

the police he had dressed himself and gone to bed, gone into Port's

:15:27.:15:31.

bed when he didn't feel very well. Was he dressed? Did he have his

:15:32.:15:36.

shoes on? Did somebody dress him? No.

:15:37.:15:41.

Your stepson was found with a suicide note, reportedly written by

:15:42.:15:50.

Daniel, saying that he had taken his own life, because he had

:15:51.:15:53.

accidentally killed Stephen Port's previous victim.

:15:54.:15:57.

Did they investigate the handwriting? No. They did not

:15:58.:16:06.

realise it was not his handwriting? No, they did not see it as

:16:07.:16:11.

suspicious. It was a while before we saw it anyway. But we could not

:16:12.:16:19.

understand why he would do that. I know people who do commit suicide

:16:20.:16:26.

are very good at covering up things, but the content of the letter said

:16:27.:16:31.

that he had accidentally taken the life of Gabriel. We had been out to

:16:32.:16:37.

family functions and things since that time, since Gabriel was found,

:16:38.:16:45.

and we could not believe how he would be functioning with that

:16:46.:16:51.

knowledge as well as he was. It did not make sense. What else did the

:16:52.:16:58.

notes say? It also said not to blame the man he was with last night.

:16:59.:17:04.

Which was Stephen Port. We did not know that, we asked where he had

:17:05.:17:10.

been, who was the man he was with last night? We don't know. We may

:17:11.:17:18.

never know. We got that reply quite frequently to quite a few questions.

:17:19.:17:22.

What would you thinking was going on, if officers investigating the

:17:23.:17:28.

death of your son were not asking questions? We did trust them, even

:17:29.:17:39.

in their absence, to be doing something. Because we could not

:17:40.:17:45.

understand why he would do that at this time in his life, when

:17:46.:17:54.

everything was going well. He was a very happy man, very happy with his

:17:55.:17:57.

job and his life in general. He was quite happy. Where they were ending

:17:58.:18:06.

up piecing things together and turning detective, you were trusting

:18:07.:18:11.

the police to do their job, because you wanted to grieve. We were

:18:12.:18:17.

finding the whole circumstance difficult to deal with. His grandma

:18:18.:18:21.

especially, they were extremely close. We had yet to give the news

:18:22.:18:30.

to her. To try and explain it to her. She has already lost her son to

:18:31.:18:37.

suicide, and then she had lost her only grandchild. To what we thought

:18:38.:18:42.

was suicide. And being told by the police that he was a murderer. Yes.

:18:43.:18:49.

I do run the saying I wish he had come to us, it would have been

:18:50.:18:55.

misadventure, if it really was accidental, of course it would have

:18:56.:18:59.

been accidental, our son is not a murderer. That is the only way we

:19:00.:19:08.

could look at it. But all the time we were trying to fathom how he had

:19:09.:19:14.

kept that to himself. His partner was trying to work out how he could

:19:15.:19:20.

have even been in the Barking area when Gabriel died, because that was

:19:21.:19:25.

not adding up either. All of this stuff was going through your head.

:19:26.:19:32.

They were very difficult to get hold of, the police, anyway. Our liaison

:19:33.:19:41.

officer did not liaise. That is my take on it. Nine months before I met

:19:42.:19:48.

my liaison officer, it took nine months for him to meet me, and we

:19:49.:19:52.

could not get hold of him. It was weeks and weeks in between calls.

:19:53.:19:57.

You would bring them, it will take them a fortnight to get back to you.

:19:58.:20:01.

Every time I would say, have you found anything, there was nothing to

:20:02.:20:07.

investigate. He took the drugs and he died. We were told that time and

:20:08.:20:14.

time again. We will never know the truth, many times they said that. It

:20:15.:20:21.

was so hard to get any information at all, they refused to investigate

:20:22.:20:27.

it. What do you feel about the lack of investigation, the missed

:20:28.:20:30.

opportunities? They were absolutely appalling. The way we were treated,

:20:31.:20:37.

the way we were spoken to sometimes. A total and utter lack of any

:20:38.:20:44.

investigation whatsoever. You feel incredibly strongly. They should

:20:45.:20:53.

never be here. A child could have put together the clues that he was

:20:54.:20:59.

giving, one death after another. After Daniel was found, I rang the

:21:00.:21:04.

liaison officer, and I had been on the Internet, looking at the every,

:21:05.:21:09.

and I said, there are another two, that is free, within a mile. Nothing

:21:10.:21:15.

to do with each other. One was a homeless guy and one did not live in

:21:16.:21:20.

the area. As we found that, Stephen Port planted drugs on them, they

:21:21.:21:24.

were within feet of each other, two of the lads, the other was 500

:21:25.:21:29.

metres away. A five-year-old child could have put that together. We

:21:30.:21:37.

were in the dark. A lot of things were found out later. I found out

:21:38.:21:42.

most of the things we needed to know the public inquest. Five or six

:21:43.:21:48.

months after his death. Had I known those things, I would have not stood

:21:49.:21:56.

back. Absolutely not. There were so many things that were coming to

:21:57.:22:04.

light in Walthamstow Forest. I found out at the trial a lot of stuff I

:22:05.:22:07.

did not know. We have never had an inquest. It is quite a shock. It is

:22:08.:22:14.

bad enough going to the Old Bailey, and things were coming out that we

:22:15.:22:20.

knew nothing about. Tell us about the decision to sue the Metropolitan

:22:21.:22:24.

Police. As far as we are concerned, as a family, we feel very strongly

:22:25.:22:34.

about this. Stephen Port took Jack's life, but we feel that the police

:22:35.:22:40.

that did not do their jobs with any of the families, as far as we are

:22:41.:22:44.

concerned they have played a massive part in Jack's death. If they had

:22:45.:22:49.

done their job properly, Jack would still be here today. There is no

:22:50.:22:54.

other way of looking at it. We feel that we want them to be held

:22:55.:22:58.

accountable. We want the answers of why they did not do this, did not do

:22:59.:23:04.

that. We want them to be held accountable. The IPCC is

:23:05.:23:09.

investigating, and the Met police have said the commander in charge of

:23:10.:23:13.

the specialist crime and operations command has written to each of you

:23:14.:23:19.

to express severe condolences and to apologise for missed opportunities.

:23:20.:23:26.

How do you take that? I feel it is a bit late. A letter when somebody's

:23:27.:23:35.

life has been taken that is so dear to you, no, it does not cut it. At

:23:36.:23:40.

the end of the day the police officers, no matter what part they

:23:41.:23:45.

are in in their job, they are trained to look out for certain

:23:46.:23:48.

things, and we feel that that was not done, because if it was, we

:23:49.:23:55.

would not be sitting here now. How did you take the apology? It is too

:23:56.:24:07.

little, too late. If they were for girls, would it have been any

:24:08.:24:14.

different? If Anthony had been a 23-year-old girl, and then Gabriel

:24:15.:24:20.

and Daniel, if they had been girls found in suspicious circumstances,

:24:21.:24:22.

there would have been more media coverage, and a massive part of this

:24:23.:24:29.

investigation was homophobic. I really do think that. Do you think

:24:30.:24:37.

that? Massively. That is why they did not investigate, because they

:24:38.:24:40.

thought it is gay men, it does not matter? Data could at face value.

:24:41.:24:54.

Young gay lads, done. From the very beginning, they refused to

:24:55.:24:58.

investigate anything. No matter what you said, there was nothing to

:24:59.:25:05.

investigate. Daniel was not out there doing that kind of thing. He

:25:06.:25:11.

worked some unbelievable hours, his recreational time was minimal, and

:25:12.:25:15.

when he did go out, he went out with his partner. They did not want to

:25:16.:25:23.

know about the personality, they did not want to know, really. They had

:25:24.:25:26.

made up their mind. That came across. Do you believe it was today

:25:27.:25:34.

with homophobia? Yes, if they were women it would have been looked

:25:35.:25:37.

into. We said that from the start, if it was a woman, you would do a

:25:38.:25:44.

lot more. They just thought it was another druggy, possible gay man,

:25:45.:25:50.

and that is it. That is literally it. It is heartbreaking. Thank you

:25:51.:25:58.

for coming on our programme and for talking so eloquently about this. We

:25:59.:26:02.

will follow the case as you pursue your legal action.

:26:03.:26:06.

More than 21 months of conflict have devastated Yemen,

:26:07.:26:08.

and left 18 million people in need of some kind of

:26:09.:26:10.

Yemen is in the Middle East, just below Saudi Arabia.

:26:11.:26:18.

The United Nations estimates 14 million people are at risk

:26:19.:26:20.

of hunger with half of those on the brink of famine.

:26:21.:26:24.

14 million people in one country are at risk of hunger -

:26:25.:26:31.

and over seven million of those on the brink of famine.

:26:32.:26:33.

Our reporter Fergal Keane has been to Yemen.

:26:34.:26:38.

His report is distressing and harrowing, and you may find

:26:39.:26:40.

it difficult to watch, but we're showing it to be better

:26:41.:26:44.

understand what is happening to a country 4,000 miles away from us.

:26:45.:26:55.

Judah Jaba is four months old and she has been fighting

:26:56.:27:23.

to survive since the day she was born.

:27:24.:29:58.

Soumaya Beltifa is from the International Committee

:29:59.:30:01.

of the Red Cross and joins me now from Sanaa in Yemen.

:30:02.:30:09.

We have just heard the scale of this crisis. What can the world do?

:30:10.:30:23.

The world can do a lot. Starting by calling all parties in the conflict

:30:24.:30:35.

to bear in mind that civilians are to be spread -- 's bed, and they

:30:36.:30:41.

need to get access to the basics. As it was shown, the dire situation is

:30:42.:30:49.

everywhere. People are having a hard time to bring bread to the table,

:30:50.:30:56.

which is the basic of the basics. Are you expecting things to worsen?

:30:57.:31:06.

Unfortunately, things might be worsened if we don't reach any kind

:31:07.:31:15.

of political agreement that the situation on the ground might be

:31:16.:31:21.

easier. Also in terms of security, because one of the other issues that

:31:22.:31:29.

humanitarian is facing on the ground is that we cannot provide assistance

:31:30.:31:37.

to the population, because of the security of our staff. We need to

:31:38.:31:46.

balance between the needs and the security to hand over assistance to

:31:47.:31:47.

the population. Their lives are in danger. Indeed.

:31:48.:32:02.

As you said, the needs actually are huge. For many years the Yemeni

:32:03.:32:13.

population, they were already suffering before the current

:32:14.:32:16.

conflict and with the conflict, the situation has become a little bit

:32:17.:32:21.

more tougher. One of the main things actually is regarding the economic

:32:22.:32:27.

situation. People, they don't have cash, money. This dire situation is

:32:28.:32:35.

bringing a lot on Yemenis. Thank you very much for talking to us. Thank

:32:36.:32:37.

you for your time. Should marine A still be in prison?

:32:38.:32:55.

His case hand referred for appeal. We will be talking to his lawyer.

:32:56.:33:04.

James Arthur is having a successful career since winning The X Factor.

:33:05.:33:11.

Now he goes undercover as a street busker.

:33:12.:33:16.

With the news, here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom.

:33:17.:33:19.

Nearly 100 people are now known to have been killed in Indonesia

:33:20.:33:21.

after a strong earthquake struck the northern province of Aceh -

:33:22.:33:24.

the area of the country devastated by a tsunami in 2004.

:33:25.:33:27.

The 6.5 magnitude quake struck offshore in the early

:33:28.:33:29.

Many people are thought to be trapped in the rubble of collapsed

:33:30.:33:33.

buildings and more than 200 people have been injured.

:33:34.:33:41.

There are more questions this morning over whether the director

:33:42.:33:47.

of football at Crewe Alexandra FC, Dario Gradi, did enough to prevent

:33:48.:33:50.

Carole, a mother of one ex-youth player, told this programme

:33:51.:33:54.

she wrote anonymously to him in 1989, more than 25 years ago,

:33:55.:33:56.

saying she was concerned that boys were being asked to stay overnight

:33:57.:33:59.

in the same bedroom as an adult member of staff, and warning

:34:00.:34:02.

She didn't, however, allege that abuse had

:34:03.:34:06.

I could have done a lot more, I suppose, but I didn't have evidence.

:34:07.:34:17.

I didn't know of anyone else, or I didn't know...

:34:18.:34:20.

It was a gut instinct, really, so it was really difficult.

:34:21.:34:23.

It was really difficult, I have to say.

:34:24.:34:25.

I mean, they're men now, but all those children, it's like...

:34:26.:34:30.

Someone must have known it was going on.

:34:31.:34:36.

It can't just have been me that told somebody there

:34:37.:34:40.

Out of all those parents or people watching the football,

:34:41.:34:45.

Dario Gradi has said that he has consistently co-operated

:34:46.:34:58.

with investigations into alleged abuse and that the first

:34:59.:35:00.

time he knew about any allegations was in 1994.

:35:01.:35:05.

The number of patients waiting four hours or more to be allocated a bed

:35:06.:35:09.

in hospitals in England has risen significantly over

:35:10.:35:11.

A study of NHS data by BBC News shows that more than one in ten

:35:12.:35:15.

patients admitted for urgent care last year faced long delays -

:35:16.:35:18.

that's almost a five-fold increase since 2011.

:35:19.:35:20.

NHS England said "growing demand" was putting pressure on the system

:35:21.:35:22.

Dario Gradi has said that he has consistently co-operated

:35:23.:35:24.

with investigations into alleged abuse and that the first

:35:25.:35:27.

but the vast amount of patients were treated within four hours.

:35:28.:35:34.

Here's some sport now with Hugh. news, join me for BBC

:35:35.:35:43.

The Dubai Ladies Masters first round was suspended today

:35:44.:35:46.

after the caddie of French player Anne-Lise Caudal collapsed

:35:47.:35:47.

We don't see the caddie here and he has not been named

:35:48.:35:56.

but was treated by the on-site medical team before

:35:57.:35:58.

being taken to hospital, where he later, tragically, died.

:35:59.:36:02.

Arsenal finished top of their Champions League Group

:36:03.:36:09.

for the first time in five seasons with a 4-1 win away at Basel.

:36:10.:36:12.

Lucas Perez scored a hat-trick in the win.

:36:13.:36:14.

Elsewhere Manchester City were second in their group.

:36:15.:36:16.

They drew 1-1 with Celtic who are out of Europe all together.

:36:17.:36:19.

Durham's Keaton Jennings will become Alastair Cook's latest opening

:36:20.:36:21.

partner for England in the fourth Test against India

:36:22.:36:23.

He replaces the injured Haseeb Hameed, with England

:36:24.:36:30.

currently 2-0 down in the five-match series.

:36:31.:36:40.

Could cheerleading become an Olympic sport?

:36:41.:36:43.

The discipline has received provisional recognition

:36:44.:36:44.

as an Olympic sport, which means it can get

:36:45.:36:46.

IOC funding and apply for a place in the Games,

:36:47.:36:49.

That's it from me for today but we will have more on BBC News

:36:50.:36:55.

throughout the day as Warren Gatland names three of his coaches for next

:36:56.:36:58.

Shall we have a bet as to whether cheer leading will become an Olympic

:36:59.:37:09.

sport? I'll bet ten quid. I'm happy to bet it will.

:37:10.:37:11.

OK. The Supreme Court hearing continues

:37:12.:37:13.

today looking at whether Parliament or Government has the right

:37:14.:37:15.

to trigger Brexit. Our legal correspondent

:37:16.:37:17.

Clive Coleman is there. Good morning. This epic legal battle

:37:18.:37:24.

continuesment at stake who has the power to trigger Article 50 of the

:37:25.:37:28.

Lisbon Treaty. That's the process by which the UK leaves the EU. Is it

:37:29.:37:33.

ministers using executive powers and bypassing Parliament or is it the

:37:34.:37:37.

representatives of the people over the way there in Parliament who have

:37:38.:37:41.

to give their authority through an Act of Parliament? Well, this case

:37:42.:37:44.

has drawn protesters every day. No difference today of the let's talk

:37:45.:37:48.

to some of them here. First of all, let's chat with Dr Zwrulia Reid who

:37:49.:37:52.

is a Ukip MEP. You're here again today. Dr Reid, why is it so

:37:53.:37:56.

important for you to be here? Well, I think it is important first to

:37:57.:38:02.

show support four activists like Herbert here who produced these

:38:03.:38:07.

amazing posters and to convey that we believe that Parliament has

:38:08.:38:11.

already had a vote, they voted 6-1 that the British people should have

:38:12.:38:15.

a referendum. They also got to vote in the actual referendum itself. And

:38:16.:38:23.

they should stand up and in spite of the fact that perhaps they wanted to

:38:24.:38:27.

remain, in constituencies where the majority of the people voted to

:38:28.:38:30.

leave, they should be supporting that. We consider that this is a

:38:31.:38:35.

delaying tact UK and we never expected after winning the

:38:36.:38:38.

referendum nearly six months ago that we'd still be fighting it now.

:38:39.:38:44.

I mean... Let's have the other side. Let the other side have a say. Let's

:38:45.:38:53.

speak to Antonio Bright. You're from the Movement For Justice, why do you

:38:54.:38:57.

think it is important to demonstrate outside the court? There is only one

:38:58.:39:04.

policy put forward and that's immigrant bashing. It leads to more

:39:05.:39:08.

fascism and that's the danger for us. It needs to be... You'd like a

:39:09.:39:14.

second referendum? Yeah, I think there needs to be way more time

:39:15.:39:20.

given and debate. We'd like to see Brexit stopped to be quite frank

:39:21.:39:23.

because of the direction that it leads us... That isn't going to

:39:24.:39:27.

happen. This case is about who has the power to trigger Brexit?

:39:28.:39:34.

Ministers or Parliament? There it has to come back to Parliament and

:39:35.:39:38.

no secret deals and it has to be opened up. We're looking at a

:39:39.:39:40.

dangerous direction in the future. Thank you very much. Demonstrators

:39:41.:39:48.

here again today. At the moment Lord Pannick representing Gina Miller the

:39:49.:39:53.

main claimant is on his feet making the case that it really must be the

:39:54.:39:56.

representatives of the people, over there in Parliament, who have the

:39:57.:40:00.

authority to trigger Article 50. Arguments go on today.

:40:01.:40:03.

Thank you very much, Clive. Proceedings are underway now as we

:40:04.:40:07.

can see if you want to watch what is happening inside the court without

:40:08.:40:11.

interruption, go to the BBC website. Sergeant Alexander Blackman,

:40:12.:40:20.

the Royal Marine who was sentenced to life imprisonment for shooting

:40:21.:40:29.

dead an already badly wounded Taliban fighter

:40:30.:40:32.

in Afghanistan five years ago, has had his case referred back

:40:33.:40:34.

to the military appeal court. It now means there's

:40:35.:40:36.

a "real possibility" that his conviction

:40:37.:40:39.

could be quashed. It is very difficult for anybody who

:40:40.:40:59.

hasn't been in that position and I haven't been in the same position

:41:00.:41:03.

that Sergeant Blackman was in on that tour to understand the level of

:41:04.:41:09.

extreme stress that is bearing down on somebody who is being asked to do

:41:10.:41:14.

what was asked of Sergeant Blackman. I think there are also a series of

:41:15.:41:21.

broader factors associated with preparations for a tour like that,

:41:22.:41:25.

oversight of a tour like that, that are highly material to his case and

:41:26.:41:30.

that weren't considered at least as far as I can see in any great degree

:41:31.:41:37.

of detail in the proceedings that are have been against him hitherto.

:41:38.:41:41.

And in Westminster is Sir Gerald Howarth -

:41:42.:41:45.

Mr Goldberg, what's the new evidence? Well, three distinguished

:41:46.:41:56.

psychiatrists, one of them appointed independently by the Criminal Cases

:41:57.:42:00.

Review Commission are unanimous that he was suffering from what we lay

:42:01.:42:04.

men would call combat distress disorder. I'm not going to bother

:42:05.:42:08.

with the psychiatric terms at the moment he shot. None of this was

:42:09.:42:12.

presented to any of the courts previously. That's not the only

:42:13.:42:16.

ground I want to emphasise, there are at least four other grounds

:42:17.:42:19.

which would have justified bringing his conviction of murder down to

:42:20.:42:24.

manslaughter with a much lesser sentence and probably meaning his

:42:25.:42:29.

release today. Why wasn't stress taken into account

:42:30.:42:34.

at the original hearing? The court is only as good as the evidence and

:42:35.:42:39.

arguments presented to it by the then defending lawyers and I'm going

:42:40.:42:42.

to make no further comment at all. I understand. Right, Sir Gerald, good

:42:43.:42:45.

morning to you, what do you think about the fact that a fresh appeal

:42:46.:42:49.

has been granted? I'm delighted. This is a case which has, I think,

:42:50.:42:54.

seriously upset the public. We send our men and women to go and do

:42:55.:42:57.

pretty filthy jobs, putting their lives on the line whilst the rest of

:42:58.:43:02.

us are enjoying our lives at home with our families and I think that

:43:03.:43:06.

therefore, there is a responsibility particularly on the politicians who

:43:07.:43:10.

make the decisions about going to war that we do all that we can to

:43:11.:43:15.

support our soldiers. Soldiers, sailors and airmen, of course, and

:43:16.:43:20.

I'm pleased that the CCRC decided to refer this case to the Court of

:43:21.:43:25.

Appeal. You say we should support them even when they shoot dead a

:43:26.:43:30.

wounded soldier which is illegal? It is illegal and it is very important

:43:31.:43:37.

that we instil in our armed forces the need to uphold the highest

:43:38.:43:44.

possible standards. That, of course, is absolutely important, that's what

:43:45.:43:47.

we as ministers and as members of Parliament, that's what we expect of

:43:48.:43:52.

our soldiers, sailors and airmen, but they are often facing absolutely

:43:53.:43:59.

filthy conditions and if you see your comrades' bodies parts hanging

:44:00.:44:03.

from a tree, I defy anybody watching this programme now not to feel a

:44:04.:44:09.

sense of anger at that happening to brave British soldiers. So, you

:44:10.:44:15.

cannot excuse action taken in the heat of battle, but you do have to

:44:16.:44:20.

put it in the context of actions taken in the heat of battle and you

:44:21.:44:24.

just heard from Mr Goldberg that one of the reasons why the can Criminal

:44:25.:44:27.

Cases Review Commission has referred to this case back to the Court of

:44:28.:44:30.

Appeal is because of the new evidence, not least the state of

:44:31.:44:33.

mind of Sergeant Blackman at the time. Mr Goldberg, we heard our

:44:34.:44:39.

audience heard, from the videoing of the incident at the time that

:44:40.:44:44.

Sergeant Blackman himself acknowledged he had broken the

:44:45.:44:50.

Geneva convention? You see, he meant by that, he thought desser rating an

:44:51.:44:56.

already dead body in the moment of anger. This man was dying. He was

:44:57.:45:02.

within seconds of death at best. I've obtained the best pathologist

:45:03.:45:07.

in the country who has taken a new look at the case and the film and

:45:08.:45:12.

all of the rest of it and he says you would have needed to be a doctor

:45:13.:45:15.

to have known that this fella wasn't already dead. Again, none of that

:45:16.:45:21.

was presented to original court. He had fired at him 139 high explosive

:45:22.:45:27.

rounds from an Apache gunship and you know, in many previous wars

:45:28.:45:31.

dying soldiers begged their own comrades to put them out of their

:45:32.:45:34.

death agonies, but of course, that's not a defence in law, I say,

:45:35.:45:37.

straightaway. What would be the right thing for

:45:38.:45:46.

him now, in your view? What I said at the time, and I was not alone,

:45:47.:45:52.

but I thought the sentence was unquestionably and Julie Heavey, and

:45:53.:46:01.

is a case for manslaughter is going to be made, I don't know what his

:46:02.:46:06.

legal arguments are going to be, but if the court considers this

:46:07.:46:09.

objectively and all of the circumstances, I think back a

:46:10.:46:14.

reduced sentence which would allow him to walk free and back into the

:46:15.:46:22.

military is what I would like to see, and a lot of people in the

:46:23.:46:25.

country are the same. One thing that worries me is that some of these

:46:26.:46:31.

cases are being taken, ... We have the Iraq historic allegations

:46:32.:46:37.

tribunal, where a private company has been paid ?22 million by the

:46:38.:46:43.

Ministry of Defence to go and search for soldiers who may have committed

:46:44.:46:51.

illegal acts in Iraq many years ago. This is being done because the

:46:52.:46:55.

Labour Government in 2001 wanted Britain to sign up to the

:46:56.:46:57.

International Criminal Court, and therefore put our soldiers, sailors

:46:58.:47:05.

and NN at risk of prosecution... Your Government would be within its

:47:06.:47:10.

rights to close down those tribunal is, it could do that tomorrow, but I

:47:11.:47:12.

take your point. One in eight people who're in work

:47:13.:47:18.

are living in poverty. That's according to the charity

:47:19.:47:21.

the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, which says more people are currently

:47:22.:47:25.

in work but living in So are the so-called just-managing

:47:26.:47:28.

families and working people actually He's from the New Policy Institute

:47:29.:47:34.

and the author of the report published today by the Joseph

:47:35.:47:42.

Rowntree Foundation. Tracy Miller is a mother with two

:47:43.:47:46.

daughters who works freelance Jermaine Lawlor works full time,

:47:47.:47:50.

he lives alone in Greater London. And Murad Alam is a father

:47:51.:47:56.

with two children. He's currently not

:47:57.:47:59.

working but his wife is. When he was also recently

:48:00.:48:03.

working, he says the family was still living below

:48:04.:48:05.

the Joseph Rowntree Foundation's The number of people who are working

:48:06.:48:07.

and who are still poor 3.8 million people in work, one in

:48:08.:48:33.

aid of all people in a job, and we then add on top of that the children

:48:34.:48:38.

who are living with them and any nonworking partners, and it is

:48:39.:48:41.

giving about 7.5 million people across the UK who are in a working

:48:42.:48:47.

household but below what is in effect official poverty line is,

:48:48.:48:55.

well more than half of the people in poverty. The idea that poverty is

:48:56.:48:58.

mainly about nonworking families is not the case.

:48:59.:49:01.

You work 37 and a half hours a week and, according

:49:02.:49:04.

to the Joseph Rowntree Foundation's definition of poverty, you're living

:49:05.:49:06.

As a parent, you think, let me get a job and provide for the kids and

:49:07.:49:21.

life should be easier, but as a working parent it is not. Two people

:49:22.:49:28.

ask why you work. Of course, but you have to have a positive outlook, and

:49:29.:49:32.

I would encourage mothers to work, because it is not just about the

:49:33.:49:36.

financial gain, it is about being out in society, socialising and

:49:37.:49:41.

mixing with people that can help you with things and not being indoors

:49:42.:49:43.

and being mentally depressed. You're exactly the kind of person

:49:44.:49:47.

who Peter's talking about, you're single, living alone,

:49:48.:49:50.

you're a youth worker and you've just done a 12-hour night

:49:51.:49:52.

shift before coming here. Would you class yourself

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as living in poverty? The statistics are higher than one

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in eight. I think the majority of people that are working struggle to

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meet bills. I am a youth worker, I have done it for nine years, and my

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problem is we have constant cuts by Government. We are tackling issues

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that affect our communities, and there are cuts which mean we cannot

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sustain our jobs. Sometimes I do an 80 hour week, and I don't get time

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to spend the money, because I am always working, and if I don't do

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that, you all in the vicious circle of being poor. You lost your job a

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few months ago, your wife works. Even when you were working you were

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living in poverty. What do you have to cut back on? General

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entertainment, I cannot go out for a meal, I can't go to the cinema, the

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new Star Wars film is coming out and I cannot afford to take them, which

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is a crying shame. Just have to cut back on extra food, heating, have to

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keep the heating down. I don't think we should have to do it in UK

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society today. What chance of you getting more work soon? I will get

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another job, it is just the time of year, nobody is starting any IT jobs

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in December. I will get something, but it will not be until the New

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Year. What is the answer? The minimum wage goes up more than it is

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due to? It is due to be sex ban -- ?7 20 eight April, ?9 by 2020. We

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just need single mothers and singer father 's to be able to keep our

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wages. Wages should rise of the cost of living rises. You talked about an

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80 hour week, when you do more hours, you are away from your kids

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more, and they are with childcare, so you don't seem them much. I have

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my little one, saying, you are always at work. I say, if I don't

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work, how am I going to provide for you? You are torn, it is hard. The

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poor get poor, the rich get richer, and the gap gets broader. The

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taxation system is unfair, you have football players earning ?300,000 a

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week for kicking a football, you have doctors that do not learn that

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in a lifetime, so we have to look at our priorities. People are greedy,

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politicians say that this is the minimum living wage, but they are

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not living on it themselves, so it is a contradictory message. Wings

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are going up, food, rent, living in London, but our wages are not going

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up, opportunities, access to education, in adversity grounds, so

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much needs to be done, but it boils down to greed, we are living in a

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greedy society. There is a lot therefore any politician to take on

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board. Where would you start? I would look at policies and

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legislation is, job opportunities, jobs that are sustainable and when

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you can build a career and life. And taxation is a big one. Take more

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people out of tax? People that are earning large sums of money, they

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are not taxed a lot. But for lower wages, it is quite a lot, so we need

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to look at the balance. James Arthur has gone

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on to have a successful career since winning the X Factor

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four years ago. Now, in a stunt for Radio 1, he went

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undercover as a street busker. Our house band are busking,

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covering their three Time for Big Willie McNulty

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to take to the stage. # Stop me, I will get

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what's coming to me # I am ready, baby,

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I will be somebody... Willie's funds were

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looking low so far, # You're nobody till

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somebody loves you # Fill up my cup,

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fill up my cup, yeah # It's a cold heart

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when nobody wants you # I held your hair back

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when you were throwing up # Then you smiled

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over your shoulder... After just a few bars

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of Say You Won't Let Go, the crowds were gathering and the money

:55:35.:55:36.

was finally coming in. It was almost like they'd worked out

:55:37.:55:44.

there was a massive pop star performing their number one single

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right in front of them. Why are this many people in a train

:55:58.:56:03.

station not in a rush? Surely you get there a minute

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before your train by multiplatinum selling

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artist James Arthur. James was very in character,

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it was just that his character seemed to be

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a massive James Arthur fan. But it seemed to be working,

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look how many people were there. As Big Willie McNulty

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finished his set, it was time to make a swift exit as,

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let's face it, Everyone knew

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it was James Arthur. In fact, it was totally

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blown, as you can see. But who was going to

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take the busking crown? You got ?33, which makes

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you, James, the winner! So there you have it -

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our secret busker beat the Radio 1 buskers, but only by three quid,

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although I feel that a few people may have twigged that it was

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actually James Arthur. And you can watch the full

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