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Now on BBC News it's time for Witness. | :00:00. | :00:25. | |
Hello and welcome to Witness with me, Tanya Beckett, here | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
We've got another five witnesses who have shared their personal memories | :00:30. | :00:40. | |
This month, we'll hear from the British | :00:41. | :00:42. | |
scientist who helped alert the world to an environmental tragedy, | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
one of the thousands of Danish Jews who escaped the Holocaust, and | :00:48. | :01:03. | |
But we begin with an assassination which shocked | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
In 1981 the Egyptian president, Anwar Sadat, was gunned down | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
Our first witness is his widow, Jehan Sadat. | :01:11. | :01:24. | |
I knew from the beginning, since he took the decision, to go to Israel | :01:25. | :01:27. | |
and make peace with Israel, I knew that my husband would be killed. | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
He was the first leader, the Arab leader, to make peace with | :01:31. | :01:38. | |
Israel, and it was such a very difficult time for people to | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
absorb what he was saying, but he believed in peace as a mission that | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
Clouds of black smoke rose from piles of burning tyres and | :01:47. | :01:58. | |
piles of refuse, set alight by the Palestinians and the Lebanese | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
leftists in protest against the visit to Israel of President Sadat. | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
But my husband believed he was to bring up the new generation | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
Since my husband went to Israel, every time - everyday, every minute | :02:08. | :02:19. | |
he was out of the house meeting for something - | :02:20. | :02:21. | |
I always believed he would not come back, that he would be killed. | :02:22. | :02:24. | |
We received many threats telling him that they would kill him. | :02:25. | :02:33. | |
He knew it, I knew it, but we didn't talk about it because we didn't want | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
I remember he was saying, while we were walking, you know, Jehan, | :02:38. | :02:45. | |
I was watching the parades for the 6th of October. | :02:46. | :03:06. | |
That day, I told him to put on the bullet | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
He said, no, no, no, if the bullet comes to my head, am I | :03:12. | :03:20. | |
Then, as the parade was reaching its climax, | :03:21. | :03:27. | |
with most people distracted by an air display, two grenades exploded. | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
When it happened, my bodyguard pushed me, because the | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
bullets were coming in the window, and I said, what are you doing? | :03:35. | :03:44. | |
He said, this is my duty, Madam, and really he saved me. | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
When the bullets stopped and the fire stopped, I rushed to the | :03:51. | :03:53. | |
NEWSREADER: The assassins managed to cut down at least ten people, | :03:54. | :04:04. | |
President Sadat was rushed straight to a helicopter which took him | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
The hospital was crowded with people. | :04:09. | :04:16. | |
The chief of doctors was there, and I told him, why are you here? | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
He looked at me and he said, I can't bear it. | :04:21. | :04:29. | |
I knew what happened when he said, I can't. | :04:30. | :04:45. | |
I knew it would come, but when it came it was such a big shock, | :04:46. | :04:54. | |
to lose not only my beloved husband who I had loved | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
all my life, but he was my partner. | :04:58. | :04:59. | |
It was something very hard, to face life | :05:00. | :05:01. | |
After the fall of the Soviet Union, scientists were able to assess | :05:02. | :05:17. | |
environmental conditions behind the Iron Curtain for the first time. | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
And on a trip to Central Asia in 1990, | :05:21. | :05:22. | |
they confirmed that the Aral Sea was shrinking at an alarming rate. | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
Witness spoke to Professor Denys Brunsden, of King's College, London. | :05:26. | :05:27. | |
The Aral Sea is in a special category of its own. | :05:28. | :05:30. | |
It is the fourth biggest inland lake in the world, and it shrank | :05:31. | :05:37. | |
This is the greatest loss of water caused by human beings | :05:38. | :05:46. | |
A Russian professor invited us to go to a conference, | :05:47. | :05:55. | |
I think it was an adventure for any British academic to go | :05:56. | :06:02. | |
into the Soviet Union, let alone to go to Uzbekistan | :06:03. | :06:04. | |
As we flew over the Aral Sea, we began to realise there was | :06:05. | :06:18. | |
Stalin needed cotton for the army, for his tents and clothes, | :06:19. | :06:30. | |
so he introduced cotton growing in the area and | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
the only way you could do that was by irrigation in a semiarid area. | :06:35. | :06:37. | |
The result of doing that is that you do get salination | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
of the soils over time and the soils lose their fertility, so the obvious | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
thing to do if you are losing fertility is to use fertilisers. | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
You will use pesticides and then the next step is to | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
defoliate, get rid of the leaves, so that the picking is easier. | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
What happens when the sea level goes down is that it actually goes out, | :06:57. | :06:59. | |
and it exposes the sea floor, and that sea floor was salt and mud, and | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
silt and sand, and all the human waste from the Zardoya River, and | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
all the pollutants from all of the agriculture as well, | :07:07. | :07:09. | |
What then happens is that you have seasonal winds blowing, | :07:10. | :07:38. | |
and particularly the Northeast wind, which sweeps | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
right across this exposed sea bed, picks up a dust cloud, and it is | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
It goes over towns and it causes untold damage. | :07:47. | :07:49. | |
The young children were getting respiratory illnesses, | :07:50. | :07:51. | |
they couldn't breathe, there were problems with the women | :07:52. | :07:53. | |
I can remember walking from the hotel, and there were women just | :07:54. | :08:19. | |
sitting under loquat trees all the way down the road, they had nothing | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
and they looked very hungry and poor, so | :08:23. | :08:31. | |
with a few colleagues we went into a | :08:32. | :08:33. | |
nearby shop and bought a bag of goodies and took them back, | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
and chatted to the ladies and just walked on leaving the paper bags for | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
the food there, and the next day when I came back one of the women | :08:41. | :08:43. | |
was still sitting there and she had obviously wanted to give | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
us something back, and I can remember her just reaching up to | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
the loquat tree and picking a seed and just putting it in my hand. | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
It was all she had to give me, and I brought it home, and it is growing | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
A shorter line is the only place on earth where the land and the ocean | :08:58. | :09:03. | |
and the atmosphere meet, and it meets in a long narrow line, because | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
it is a shock absorber, absorbing all the energy of the sun, through | :09:07. | :09:09. | |
the wind, into the waves, and the beach goes, 'thanks very | :09:10. | :09:11. | |
If you haven't got the sea there, crumbs. | :09:12. | :09:32. | |
And now to the elegant world of ballet. | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
In recent years some of the most exciting dancers have | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
come from Cuba, and that is largely down to a remarkable prima ballerina | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
She founded the Cuban National Ballet company more | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
than 50 years ago, and she spoke to Witness in Havana. | :09:45. | :11:38. | |
NEWSREADER: Immediately following the | :11:39. | :11:40. | |
revolution in 1959, Alicia and her first | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
husband, Fernando Alonso, were given the money and support needed to | :11:45. | :11:47. | |
found the National Ballet company of Cuba. | :11:48. | :13:40. | |
A recent prima ballerina, Alicia Alonso, now in her 90s. Remember you | :13:41. | :13:49. | |
can watch Witness every month on the BBC News channel or can catch up on | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
over a thousand radio programmes on our online archive. Just go to our | :13:55. | :13:56. | |
website. Now to an incredible story | :13:57. | :13:57. | |
of survival. When Nazi Germany invaded Denmark | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
during the Second World War, the Jewish community feared | :14:01. | :14:03. | |
for their lives. But, miraculously, almost all of | :14:04. | :14:15. | |
Denmark's choose managed to escape to neighbouring Sweden. Our next | :14:16. | :14:25. | |
witness, Bent Melchior, was one of them -- Denmark's Jews. When we | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
closed the doors to our apartment, we did not know whether we would | :14:31. | :14:37. | |
ever come back. My father was then the acting rabbi of the Jewish | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
community and was therefore one of those that was first informed, when | :14:42. | :14:50. | |
the German Navy Aketxe gave away three days before it happened that | :14:51. | :14:59. | |
the Germans were going to deport -- Aketxe. If they were going to be | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
arrested, they should try to leave home and find a place where they | :15:04. | :15:06. | |
could hide. My parents decided to try to find a way to Sweden. The | :15:07. | :15:14. | |
fishermen that brought Jews over had to charge people, because besides | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
being in personal danger they also had the danger that there are boats | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
would be taken and they would not be able to have any livelihood. This | :15:24. | :15:33. | |
day on this boat was anyway on pleasant, but that was part of the | :15:34. | :15:41. | |
situation -- unpleasant. It was especially unpleasant for my mother | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
who, which I did not know at the time, was pregnant. There were a | :15:47. | :15:52. | |
number of miracles necessary, but we actually found their way to a place | :15:53. | :16:01. | |
in southern Sweden were no refugees had arrived before, and where is | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
little boy at the age of six was playing at the shore. When he saw | :16:06. | :16:13. | |
our little boat for a way. He was the son of the fishermen. The moment | :16:14. | :16:18. | |
when the father said, welcome to Sweden, welcome. That was the moment | :16:19. | :16:30. | |
where we could breathe. And it was unbelievable. | :16:31. | :16:45. | |
The fishermen himself and his wife died, but the little boy was still | :16:46. | :17:00. | |
alive and continued to live in the very same house so I have visited | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
again and again -- fisher man. Although we were well received, and | :17:05. | :17:12. | |
I often say that we were luxury refugees, I learned that the refugee | :17:13. | :17:22. | |
is a very difficult situation. You are nobody, so if you want to become | :17:23. | :17:29. | |
somebody you have to start from nothing. Denmark was liberated on | :17:30. | :17:40. | |
the 5th of May, 1945. Before the end of May, we actually came back to | :17:41. | :17:49. | |
Denmark. To come back and opened the door again -- open the door. It was | :17:50. | :17:54. | |
like opening the doors to heaven. That was rabbi Bent Melchior there. | :17:55. | :18:15. | |
Our final witness this month has made more of a contribution than | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
most to modern life. He is the Indian businessmen who had the | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
bright idea of opening the company 's first Coll centre in 1998. It is | :18:25. | :18:30. | |
still open today and we went to Delhi to visit. You know, I wish I | :18:31. | :18:37. | |
could tell you there was a Eureka moment, but there wasn't -- call | :18:38. | :18:43. | |
centre. It seemed so surprising nobody thought of it earlier. We | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
were the first one to start because centre in India. -- to start a call | :18:50. | :18:59. | |
centre in India. You could hire a chartered accountant for 14,000, | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
15,000. You could hire a Masters degree. It was just being able to | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
walk around the streets and find gold dust. It was very difficult to | :19:10. | :19:14. | |
convince people initially for the very simple reason that our phone | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
lines did not work. In those days we all had three phone lines at home, | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
or two, because one was down all the time. When we went to the telecom | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
authority, of course they laughed at us. We will let you have a full | :19:29. | :19:31. | |
miser you can dial people all over the world. It is not going to | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
happen. But I am by nature an optimist. That is what gave me the | :19:37. | :19:41. | |
confidence. Also foolishness, fundamental foolishness! For which I | :19:42. | :19:48. | |
am very proud. Slowly, doggedly, we got the phone line. Outside this | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
building, if you go, a true landmark of India. A giant satellite dish. | :19:53. | :19:59. | |
Getting that big satellite dish in place was the start, in some | :20:00. | :20:06. | |
respects, of the entire revolution. The first Coll -- call centre, we | :20:07. | :20:17. | |
did not have its own proved, so we brought saris and curtains, it was a | :20:18. | :20:23. | |
shambles. We had saris everywhere, about 18 people making calls. There | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
was an air of excitement and adventure, men and women working | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
together in a way that did not happen in India at the time much. It | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
was quite liberating, I think, on some level, and people were willing | :20:36. | :20:40. | |
to try. If calls did not go through, you would try again, people would | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
hang up. Clients would call was with a broken down supplies and our | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
people had never seen a washing machine before. You know that thing | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
at the back leaking in the washing machine... What? One customer was | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
kind of wondering where the hell this call was coming from, or what | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
was this funny accent. Lots of us still do. Then teaching our people | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
how to manage that. Don't let them be hostile. If they are, push back | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
after a while. Don't get upset yourself but if somebody is too rude | :21:14. | :21:16. | |
feel free to push back. You know, lots of cultural assimilation, | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
training and handholding. We had accent correction training going on | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
and then feeling out, you know, what do we call ourselves? If I say | :21:28. | :21:34. | |
hello, this is an Indian name, they don't know, but if I say, hello, | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
this is piqued, that is OK. When you are in the throes of it, you don't | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
realise what you've got and what we had was a tiger by the tail -- my | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
name is Pete. Many cities have been built around this industry because | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
these are young kids and if you look at them, they have money, they will | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
spend it. There are kids here who financed homes, tuition, for their | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
relatives. It has changed people's lives. I don't know of anything else | :22:04. | :22:07. | |
like that. You look every day and think, my God, what did we spawn | :22:08. | :22:14. | |
here? Indian businessmen Pramod Bhasin, still proudly working at his | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
call centre. And that is all from Witness this month, here at the | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
British Library, but we will be back next month with another round-up of | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
history, as told by the people who were there. Thank you for watching | :22:29. | :22:31. | |
and goodbye from me and the rest of the team. | :22:32. | :22:41. |