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There's something new happening on the high street. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
It's 2016 now and it's about time there is | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
modest fashion that's available to us. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
You know, it's a really up-and-coming, growing trend. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
From fashion to fast food, | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
more and more stores seem to be spotting a gap in the market. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
When you have something like Dolce & Gabbana or DKNY | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
running a Ramadan campaign, people sit up and say, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
"Oh, hold on, there's a really big market here". | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
Traditional British favourites are getting a new twist. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
How easy is it to convince Muslim consumers to go for a sausage roll? | 0:00:32 | 0:00:37 | |
Yeah, it is a little hard. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:38 | |
I'm Myriam Francois, | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
a journalist and a British Muslim. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
I want to find out why our high street stores | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
are so interested in Muslim consumers... | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
Retailers, quite cynically, have been looking for | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
the next opportunity, the next area of growth. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
..and whether that attention is actually a good thing. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
I just don't understand why a mainstream high street retailer | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
would pander to conservative voices within Muslim communities. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
I was wondering if I could speak to you about | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
some of your halal products? | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
Why do so many high street brands seem reluctant to talk about it? | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
Now that the big operators are serving halal, | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
I feel they might well put off customers. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
And how likely is it that the stores will stick with it? | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
The global Muslim spend on all apparel and footwear | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
will be 484 billion by 2019. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
Of course brands want a piece of that market. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
HE CHANTS | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
As the Muslim month of Ramadan comes to an end, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
I ask, is the Muslim pound here to stay, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
and are we all ready for "Brand Islam"? | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
Saturday morning and a queue's forming | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
for London's Muslim Lifestyle Show. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
Olympia actually stated that they haven't had | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
this many phone calls on this | 0:02:05 | 0:02:06 | |
since the Ideal Home Exhibition. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
The show has attracted some well-known faces, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
including Citizen Khan's Amjad... | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
We could make a lemon drizzle cake, that's my mummy's favourite. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
What are the ingredients? | 0:02:18 | 0:02:19 | |
-Lemons... -LAUGHTER | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
..and drizzle? | 0:02:22 | 0:02:23 | |
-LAUGHTER -'This is the first time I've come' | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
to somewhere like this and it's blown my mind. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
Honestly, the amount of variety here, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
all selling or promoting different things, | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
and it's really exciting just to walk around and see. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
..and also MasterChef winner Shelina Permalloo. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
Our MasterChef champion is... | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
Shelina. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:40 | |
'I think it's really interesting. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
'It's such a massive market in the UK' | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
and it's relatively unknown, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:45 | |
so I think, in terms of a business opportunity, it's clearly working. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
It is absolutely rammed in here today. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
Muslim shoppers are starting to feel like they matter. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
Maybe ten years ago, the high streets weren't | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
catering to that as much. Now there seems to be... | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
Almost everything you can think of, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
they've found a way to put a Muslim spin on it. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
There's been a massive change in the perception towards Muslims | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
as a source of revenue for many companies. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
Small sweets, like Haribos, are catching on to it | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
and it's becoming popular in the Muslim community. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
If you run a business, it's about making money, right? | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
And if you're not making money out of that community, then... | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
I think you're missing a trick, really. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
The Muslim community represents | 0:03:28 | 0:03:29 | |
in the order of 5% of the UK population. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
And their total spending power | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
is over £20 billion a year. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
By investing in advertising and product ranges | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
that do appeal to that community, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
they will boost their sales and, of course, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
that adds to their bottom-line profitability. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
Some high street big names certainly seem to be thinking more | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
about their Muslim consumers. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
So this is the early stage of the market | 0:03:57 | 0:03:58 | |
and we start to see brands that are actually | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
pioneering this market and that makes it | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
really exciting. So, we have big brands that are | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
starting to feature Muslim women, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
for example like Apple and Android, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
Jeep, Coca-Cola. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
In fashion, H&M led the way with a distinctive campaign. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
'Dress like a teen. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
'Stand out. Blend in. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
'Mix prints. Mix pink and red...' | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
Its recycling campaign featured models of all shapes and sizes, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
different ages and genders. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
But it was one woman in particular who got everyone talking. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
It was this image | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
which really caught everyone's attention - | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
although, to be fair, if you blinked, you'd probably miss it. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
It was the first time that the company used | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
a Muslim woman in a headscarf in a campaign. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
The woman featured in the campaign was overwhelmed by the response. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:07 | |
It was massive. It was huge. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
Everyone saw it as a breakthrough. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
There was an article that compared me | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
to the first black model in history. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
But now I've seen it, I've realised how... | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
almost primitive we were, like, in 2015, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
the first time we're seeing a girl in a headscarf being used for | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
a major retailer. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:26 | |
And I thought, "Wow, as much as it's incredible, | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
"we're still so far away from obviously achieving this diversity." | 0:05:28 | 0:05:33 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:05:33 | 0:05:34 | |
Since the campaign, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:35 | |
Mariah has been in demand to talk about her experience. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
-Hello and Assalaamu Alaikum. -SCATTERED CHEERING | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
I want you to realise that just the fact | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
that we are seeing the hijab and abaya | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
in mainstream fashion, in the media, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
it makes people understand that there is another side to Islam. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
If we can't change the negative, why not add a positive to it? | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
'For me, personally, hijab,' | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
again, it's a way of life and it makes me represent Islam. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
That's the reason that I started to wear it, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
to basically distinguish ourselves as believing women. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
So it's not just a piece of material on my head, it is more than that. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
But is the high street ready to give space on the shop floor | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
to clothes that women like Mariah want to buy? | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
We know that there's a wider consumer trend about women | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
who are also looking for clothes that suit their demeanour, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
their aspiration to be more modest. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
You know, for me, personally, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
I want to wear stuff that isn't too clingy, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
isn't too transparent, like, the necklines aren't too plunging. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
But shopping for clothes that are in keeping with the spirit | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
of that ideal has traditionally been quite challenging | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
on the high street. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:46 | |
MUSIC: Come & Get It by Selena Gomez | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
# When you're ready, come and get it Na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na... # | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
We're all familiar with the idea that sex sells... | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
# Na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na | 0:06:55 | 0:06:56 | |
# Oh, come and get it Yeah, yeah! # | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
..but are things changing? | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
What's quite interesting about this dress | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
is that it's not being marketed as Muslim, as such, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
but, actually, it would probably appeal to quite a lot | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
of more conservative Muslim women. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
In 2014, DKNY launched a special Ramadan collection | 0:07:18 | 0:07:23 | |
for its markets in the Middle East. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
A year later, Mango, Monsoon and Tommy Hilfiger | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
all offered Ramadan collections. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
At the start of this year, Uniqlo | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
worked with British Muslim and designer Hana Tajima... | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
..and Italian fashion house Dolce & Gabbana | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
launched its first range of traditional dresses, called abayas. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
To understand what's driving the interest, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
you need to look on the internet. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
From cool American mipsters - that's Muslim hipsters... | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
Click on that if you'd like to go and watch that video. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
..to UK-based fashion and beauty bloggers, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
young Muslim women are going online. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
So what you want to do is you want to grab your scarf | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
and I've already folded mine in a few inches | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
and just pin it under... | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
like that. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
And then just bring it around, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
like so. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
NabiilaBee has been posting videos on YouTube | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
since she was 16 years old. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:30 | |
I hope you guys enjoyed that and, if you want to see more videos from me, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
then just click the subscribe button down below | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
and I'll see you guys in my next video. Bye! | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
Well done. MYRIAM CLAPS | 0:08:40 | 0:08:41 | |
-Thanks. -So how often do you do these then? | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
So, I film YouTube videos every three days. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
Wow. How did you get into that? | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
I was in school, I was around about 15, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
and I was going through a hard time | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
of wearing my hijab | 0:08:53 | 0:08:54 | |
and I was kind of struggling. I was kind of getting bullied | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
that I wasn't pretty enough when I wore the scarf. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
I started doing my own styles | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
and people in the street used to be like, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
"Oh, so how did you do that style?" | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
I was like, you know what, I think I need to make YouTube videos as well | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
and show people how to do it. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
One of the things that's very important about these bloggers is | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
that I think they need to be taken seriously as influences. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
For example, lots of young women who start wearing hijab | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
and some of the wraps are very elaborate and difficult to achieve, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
they are learning this from watching YouTube, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
from watching video bloggers. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:26 | |
They're not learning it from their mums. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
How influential do you think bloggers like yourself are | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
on the trends that we're now seeing within the high street? | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
I think really influential, because we've got so many followers, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
brands have realised that and have seen that. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
I think it's really amazing what they're doing | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
and that they're finally seeing us. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
Are they seeing Muslims or are they just seeing pound signs? | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
To be honest, I think it's a win-win situation. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
Like, they're a business, so obviously they're going to be | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
thinking about money and how they can make more, but at the same time, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
I think it really benefits us because we need modest clothing. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
But recognising this interest in modest clothing | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
is only part of the issue for high street stores. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
Last year, Marks & Spencer introduced a swimming costume | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
that it had already sold overseas. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
This was the item in question. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
A swimsuit which covers the head, arms and legs, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
marketed as the burkini. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:24 | |
'It covers the whole body except the face, hands and feet, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
'so, what's all the fuss?' | 0:10:29 | 0:10:30 | |
There were criticisms from fashion moguls, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
from the French Minister for Equalities and Women, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
saying that this is just further oppression of women | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
and of women's rights. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
If M&S had collaborated with Nadiya Hussain | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
from the Great British Bake Off and done a halal cupcake range, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
I don't think anyone would have been bothered by it. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
People would probably have said, | 0:10:59 | 0:11:00 | |
"Oh, it tastes delicious, I must get some". | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
So I think it's brought up a lot of anxieties | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
about what does it mean to be British? | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
Some of the criticism came from Muslims themselves. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
I just don't understand why a mainstream high street retailer | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
would only want to pander to conservative voices | 0:11:17 | 0:11:22 | |
within Muslim communities. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
Especially for Muslims, like myself, | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
who have made the decision not to cover our hair | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
and this is actually quite a difficult decision to make | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
in Muslim communities, when you consider that a lot of women | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
are actually ostracised for taking off their headscarves. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
Women who might be perfectly happy with wearing | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
a regular one-piece swimsuit, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
but might be shamed in years to come | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
if the burkini becomes normalised in Muslim communities. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
Many young women who wear the headscarf will say | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
it's about choice and that they feel it's a good thing | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
that the high street is finally recognising them. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
I can totally understand the excitement. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
Of course, they want to see their particular way of dressing | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
acknowledged and recognised by these big high street retailers, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
who wouldn't? But, at the same time, we have to be wary | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
that this doesn't become an excuse for pushing modesty doctrines. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:18 | |
When we asked Marks & Spencer if I could come and talk to them | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
about the burkini, they responded instead by saying they provide... | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
They've sold the burkini for a number of years... | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
The fact is, M&S is a huge retailer, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
in the UK and internationally. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
They spend a lot of money knowing and understanding their customer | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
and, if they felt there was a need to develop that product, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
then they knew there was a demand. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
They made the decision to stock a product, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
because there are customers that will buy it. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
I also wanted to talk to H&M about their inclusion of Mariah | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
in her headscarf in their campaign, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
but they didn't provide anyone to be interviewed either. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
They said... | 0:13:08 | 0:13:09 | |
And they... | 0:13:11 | 0:13:12 | |
Their advertising campaigns... | 0:13:16 | 0:13:17 | |
And they... | 0:13:21 | 0:13:22 | |
I am certain that there will be an enormous amount of analysis going on | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
to ensure that those stores are treading that very fine line | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
between not alienating the core traditional shopper, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
whilst ensuring they do take some of that £20 billion per annum spending | 0:13:39 | 0:13:45 | |
that comes out of the Muslim community. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
It's not only in the world of fashion | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
that the Muslim pound is attracting the attention | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
of big-name brands. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:01 | |
Ramadan is, of course, a month of fasting. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
But, at the end of each day, there's Iftar, the evening meal, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
when we break our fast. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
And, at the end of Ramadan, there is a major celebration - Eid. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
For supermarkets, that all means big sales. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
TILLS BEEP | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
Ramadan is said to have boosted sales to 100 million | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
for these grocery stores, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
so they're really reaching out to the market | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
and the market is very, very grateful for these options. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
They've invested more and more in engaging with the Muslim community, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
to prove that they are able to support their needs and wants, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
both for their key festivities, but also for the rest of the year. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
With the sales potential of Ramadan | 0:14:55 | 0:14:56 | |
well-established in the supermarkets, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
it was really only a matter of time | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
before somebody spotted a gap in the market in the rest of the year. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
For Muslims, the weekly shop involves looking for halal products. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
Halal in Arabic simply means "permissible". | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
It rules out things like pork or anything containing alcohol. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
They are "haram", or "forbidden". | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
Looking for halal alternatives | 0:15:28 | 0:15:29 | |
becomes a way of life, when you're a Muslim. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
We all make conscious little adaptations, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
like picking the fish or veggie option, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
when you're out for dinner with friends. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
But I'm off to meet a woman who got so fed up | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
with not being able to eat what she wanted | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
that she decided to do something about it. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
Thank you. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:51 | |
So, this is the factory here. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
Staple products that everyone... | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
'Shazia Saleem is a halal entrepreneur, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
'with a company that produces halal everyday favourites. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
'Sausage rolls, pasties and pies. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
The sausage roll does really well | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
and the creamy chicken pie as well, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
that's probably our second bestseller. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
'One of my biggest frustrations' | 0:16:13 | 0:16:14 | |
was not being able to partake in | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
Britain's love affair with food. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
You know, you're kind of limited to | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
food from where your parents are from, erm... | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
or fried chicken. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
I think, when I was at university, actually, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
is when I first had the idea... | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
"Hang on, this can't be quite right. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
"Why am I spending all of my money buying tuna mayonnaise sandwiches | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
"and cheese and onion pasties? | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
"Surely, why can't I buy lasagne? | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
"Why can't I have a shepherd's pie?" | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
That's kind of where the frustration came about. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
All of these products are kind of done as you would do at home, | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
but it's just on a bigger scale. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
How easy is it to convince Muslim consumers to go for a sausage roll? | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
Yeah, it is a little hard, because, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
you know, to most Muslims the word "sausage" means "pork". | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
It means "haram" and, therefore, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:00 | |
people might be a bit nervous about it. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
We have put the word "beef" in front of it | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
to get people to recognise that it's made of beef. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
And then there is a very prominent halal logo. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
Whilst halal meat has to be slaughtered | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
according to Islamic tradition, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:15 | |
there are different opinions on what that means. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
In British law, animals have to be stunned before slaughter | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
and over three quarters of halal meat is stunned. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
But, for some, it is only halal if it hasn't been stunned, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
so there are exemptions on religious grounds. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
The halal industry faces a lot of criticism | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
over the use of unstunned meat. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
Where do you stand on stunned or unstunnned? | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
Er, no, we use unstunned meat. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
For me, it's important that I avoid doubt. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
The majority of meat in the UK is stunned | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
and that's because the best practice guidelines advise | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
stunning as a more humane way. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
Do you see a conflict there with halal? | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
The controversy, I think, that plagues halal slaughter, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:05 | |
and unstunned halal slaughter in particular, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
is the misunderstanding that it's some sort of barbaric procedure. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:14 | |
What happens is there tends to be some bad practice of it, | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
but, to be honest, that bad practice happens | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
in both stunned, unstunned, halal, non-halal industries. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
That's... That is a bad abattoir. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
That is not necessarily specific to the halal procedure itself. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
And, out on the high street, | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
there's certainly a growing demand for halal options. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
In 2014, Tayub Mushtaq went on TV investment show Dragons' Den | 0:18:41 | 0:18:47 | |
to try and secure funding | 0:18:47 | 0:18:48 | |
for a chain of fast food stores selling wraps. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
Good afternoon, Dragons. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:53 | |
I'm here today seeking an investment of £500,000 | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
for an exchange of 11% equity in our business. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
-NARRATOR: -'Despite a promising initial pitch, | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
'Tayub and Afnan are leaving empty-handed.' | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
So, I am really sorry, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:08 | |
but I'm out. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:09 | |
Tayub has gone on to open 14 stores, so far, selling halal wraps. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
How much would you say your business success | 0:19:18 | 0:19:19 | |
is down to spotting a gap in the market? | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
Though our predominant customer base | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
is 80% non-halal, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:26 | |
if you look at 20% of our customer base, which is Muslim, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
that equates to around the profitability of our business | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
so, had we not had the Muslim customers, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
maybe we would just be breaking even. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
Number 91. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
In light of that, how much opportunity do you think there is | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
for other entrepreneurs for tapping into the halal market? | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
There's Muslim populations across the UK | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
and they're all in need for halal food. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
And if you can fill that space, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
there's no reason why any new business or new operator | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
can't be successful. | 0:19:58 | 0:19:59 | |
Many of the big-name fast food chains are recognising the demand. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:08 | |
Finding somewhere to eat halal is increasingly easy, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
as NabiilaBee discovered in a blog checking out the dining options | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
at the intu Trafford Centre in Manchester. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
So, yeah, the Nando's is halal, the chicken's halal, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
so I can eat there. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:25 | |
Excuse me, hi. Is the meat halal here, the chicken? | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
-The chicken and steak. -The chicken and steak? OK, thank you. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
So, there's McDonald's and Burger King here. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
They are not halal. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:36 | |
However, obviously, you can get the veggie option, if you want. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
And they are halal as well. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
Surprisingly there are a lot of halal places. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
I thought there'd only be, like, two or three. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
But as more and more fast food restaurants | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
choose to cater for the halal diner, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
some are finding it attracts unwanted attention. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
There has been a bit | 0:21:05 | 0:21:06 | |
of a media backlash against | 0:21:06 | 0:21:07 | |
some of the retailers, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:08 | |
particularly the food retailers, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
for moving towards halal. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
And suggestions that, as it's only 5% of the market, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
why are they doing that? | 0:21:16 | 0:21:17 | |
Why not just increase consumer choice for everyone, | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
rather than reducing the choice | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
for those who are not Muslim | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
and who may not even identify as religious? | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
But what about businesses in Muslim majority areas, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
-where it does make business sense to cater? -I would say... | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
the country, as a whole, is still a non-Muslim majority country. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:39 | |
Therefore, why should the dietary needs of a small minority | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
have to dominate those of everybody else? | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
Hi, I was wondering if I could speak to you | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
about some of your halal products? | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
'We asked some of these restaurants for an interview | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
'about the issues around halal.' | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
So, Nando's said they didn't have anyone to speak to us | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
on their behalf. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
They referred us to their website, which says | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
about a fifth of their restaurants serve only halal chicken, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
which is signposted. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
The quality, health and welfare of their chicken is a priority | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
and they are pre-stunned before slaughter. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
Subway said... | 0:22:32 | 0:22:33 | |
KFC said that they were very busy | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
and didn't have the capacity to dedicate to our request. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
Pizza Express referred us to a statement. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
It said... | 0:22:47 | 0:22:48 | |
the chicken they currently use is halal-certified. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
But none of their meals or restaurants are halal, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
because of other non-halal ingredients in their kitchens. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
Their chicken supplier meets the highest welfare standards, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
and all the birds are stunned pre-slaughter. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
Frankly, I find it all a bit disappointing. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
If these stores are happy enough to take my money, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
I'd hoped they'd be prepared to talk about it. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
When we talk about it, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:16 | |
basically, we're creating a polarisation in the market. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
We're drawing too much attention to the commerciality | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
of what's actually happening in the retail environment. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
So, I would say it's probably more a case of keeping their heads down, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
doing what they do and not drawing too much attention to themselves. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
But some retailers have no hesitation in upfront marketing | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
to halal shoppers. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:41 | |
When it comes to my make-up and creams, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
I don't tend to look at the ingredients that closely. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
Some of the products probably do contain alcohol, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
but I figure as long as I'm not consuming it, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
that's not really an issue. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:55 | |
Having said that, I can understand why some people might prefer, say, | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
a collagen cream that wasn't pig-derived. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
There's already a booming trade in health and beauty products. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
They avoid chemicals and often alcohol, too. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
Many are cruelty-free, so they don't use animal products. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
It's not difficult to see why, for some, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
Muslim consumers would be a target market. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
There's all sorts of certification on this packaging. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
You've got, "Against animal testing, 100% vegan", | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
and, the new kid on the block, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
"100% halal". | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
Rose Brown was just 22 when she became the UK's youngest franchiser, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
selling a range of vegan, cruelty-free | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
and halal-certified beauty products. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
I use cosmetics that contain alcohol, cos I sort of think, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
"Well, as long as I'm not consuming alcohol, then, you know, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
"it doesn't really matter if it's in my products". | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
So, I mean, why is there a need for halal certification? | 0:24:57 | 0:25:02 | |
If you are using a lipstick | 0:25:02 | 0:25:03 | |
which contains animal-derived | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
ingredients, specifically, you know, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
animal fats derived from pigs, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
then, a lot of the time, that is being ingested into the body. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
You can apply lipstick all day and a lot of that is actually ingested, | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
or can be absorbed in through the skin. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
And, so, some consumers do feel that they would actually much rather use | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
a product that is completely free from these ingredients. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
And what would you say to people who regard halal certification | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
as a bit of a marketing ploy, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
just a way of accessing another niche market? | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
People might think that it's just a ploy or a plot, but, actually, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
what it does do is give people real peace of mind. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
It lets them look at a product and say, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
"I know that someone here has put the care and hard work | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
"into ensuring that this product is completely free from ingredients | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
"that I wish to avoid". | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
And I think, really, a lot of people appreciate that. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
Cosmetics, food, fashion. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
The halal market seems to be growing wider by the day. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
There's this notion called Blue Ocean Strategy, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
which literally creates | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
this new market demand, where there is none. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
And I think that is what is happening with this "Brand Muslim". | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
If we think about ten years ago, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
nobody needed a smartphone. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
Yet, I'm pretty sure, here and now, | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
most people do own a smartphone. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
That is a need we didn't know we had | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
that the retail and consumer markets created. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
We're really talking about the principles of good retailing. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
You can see this in action by checking the range of goods | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
now offering halal certification. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
Here's Nabila's blog again. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
So, the first one... | 0:26:39 | 0:26:40 | |
Obviously, you've got your Haribos. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
And they all have the halal stamp on them. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
And so are the chocolates. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
And the one that I find really weird | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
was just basically liquid wash for your clothes. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
Instant noodles. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:52 | |
And then I got these Kellogg's Rice Krispies. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
Yep, and the stamp here is at the back as well, | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
right next to the vegetarian. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
And even on the bread, which is really surprising, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
it's got the halal stamp. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
I think it plays on Muslim identity politics, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
which I think is a really negative trend within Muslim communities. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
The Muslim lifestyle is seen as | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
someone who uses halal beard oil, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
who paints their nails with halal nail varnish, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
who wears burkinis from M&S, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
who lives their life in what I would term quite a restrictive way, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
where their religious identity sort of trumps all other identities. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:32 | |
We've seen an enormous change | 0:27:36 | 0:27:37 | |
in the last two years. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
I wasn't sure it would ever happen. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
The high street catering to, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:42 | |
and seeking out, soliciting, Muslim shoppers. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
Big brands are reaching out to Muslim audiences | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
and that was something that should be celebrated, | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
because we're not really recognised often | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
and this is, like, taking off. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:56 | |
I definitely see us growing, | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
I don't think it's reached its peak, to be honest. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
I think there's so much more that can be done and that is being done. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
It does seem like there's going to be more choice on the high street, | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
as stores increasingly recognise the value of the Muslim pound. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:13 | |
And if that encourages us all to think a little harder | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
about how and where we spend our cash, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
then, surely, that can only really be a good thing. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 |