02/10/2016 MOTD2 Extra


02/10/2016

Similar Content

Browse content similar to 02/10/2016. Check below for episodes and series from the same categories and more!

Transcript


LineFromTo

Welcome to MOTD2 Extra on BBC Two and the BBC Sport website.

:00:26.:00:31.

Joining me today are Mark Lawrenson, Jonathan Northcroft, chief football

:00:32.:00:36.

writer for The Sunday Times, and a warm welcome to Hull

:00:37.:00:39.

defender Alex Bruce, making his MOTD2 Extra debut.

:00:40.:00:40.

As ever, get involved using the hashtag #bbcfootball

:00:41.:00:43.

Over the next 45 minutes, we will look at Liverpool coming from behind

:00:44.:00:58.

at Swansea to go second in the table, Chelsea's win at Hull, and

:00:59.:01:06.

updates from Old Trafford where it's Manchester United against Stoke. A

:01:07.:01:09.

huge game later in the Premier League as Spurs host Man City, and

:01:10.:01:16.

we will also reflect on Arsene Wenger's 20 years in charge at

:01:17.:01:21.

Arsenal, as they travel to Burnley. The Ryder Cup dominates in the

:01:22.:01:28.

papers, but there is also Chelsea's win at Hull. Sunderland get a late

:01:29.:01:34.

equaliser at home to West Brom. The Telegraph choose the line that Ryan

:01:35.:01:39.

Giggs could take over from Francesco Guidolin at Swansea. And we will

:01:40.:01:43.

discuss the Swansea Liverpool game in a second. But let's go to Old

:01:44.:01:50.

Trafford. Man United against Stoke. Both sides could have scored, Peter?

:01:51.:01:59.

Yes, it could be 2-1 to United. The man who missed the first was Zlatan

:02:00.:02:03.

Ibrahimovic, put through by Pogba. Lee Grant in the Stoke goal made a

:02:04.:02:09.

couple of really good saves. Just before you came across, Pogba put

:02:10.:02:15.

through to the edge of the penalty area, and somehow skewed the ball

:02:16.:02:23.

wide. After 17 minutes, it is 0-0. Mark, it has been extremely open. It

:02:24.:02:34.

has. I think Darren Randolph made... Lee Camp made a brilliant save. I

:02:35.:02:38.

thought it was Darren Randolph! Moving on from there. We will go to

:02:39.:02:46.

Old Trafford later. We will start with Swansea against Liverpool.

:02:47.:02:59.

When they played at Anfield, they were very, very impressive.

:03:00.:03:07.

Definitely. They dug in well. Plop said going into the game that it was

:03:08.:03:10.

a massive game for them. These are the games they will have to run with

:03:11.:03:15.

if they are to be title contenders. It was a great result. Good to get a

:03:16.:03:20.

result down there after the few weeks they've had. You notice a

:03:21.:03:27.

confidence about Liverpool that wasn't there before. To see Milner

:03:28.:03:32.

chipped the penalty and express that... Previous Liverpool side

:03:33.:03:38.

might have gone a goal down there on a tough afternoon and found it

:03:39.:03:42.

difficult. But Klopp has a different spirit, and gave them the half-time

:03:43.:03:46.

rocket to put energy back into the team. And it worked. I would say,

:03:47.:03:52.

apart from the first half, that they are playing as well without the ball

:03:53.:03:58.

as with the ball. They were brilliant at stopping Hull playing.

:03:59.:04:04.

It didn't take a lot on the day. The front six now, as soon as it goes to

:04:05.:04:09.

one of the opposing defenders or midfielders, they are all in. They

:04:10.:04:13.

get the ball back so quickly, and Klopp loves it. They are a proper

:04:14.:04:22.

unit now. You watch them drop Daniel Sturridge for an extended period,

:04:23.:04:27.

and it's not even a story. People understand the team dynamics. It

:04:28.:04:32.

makes sense to have some Eno rather than Sturridge. And Firmino,

:04:33.:04:41.

Lallana... All those players just coming back from fitness. They can

:04:42.:04:45.

play anywhere across the front. They've all got pace and a little

:04:46.:04:51.

bit of a trick on the ball. They can all score goals and make goals for

:04:52.:04:57.

themselves. You have had to play, your Hull side, Arsenal, Man United,

:04:58.:05:02.

Chelsea, Liverpool and Leicester already this season. The

:05:03.:05:08.

circumstances of games are different, and there was a red card,

:05:09.:05:13.

as we said. But from what your team-mates are saying, were they the

:05:14.:05:16.

most difficult side to play this season? We went down to ten men, so

:05:17.:05:21.

it was difficult. The way they pressed from the front, they made it

:05:22.:05:27.

very difficult for our boys. It's difficult at Anfield with 11, let

:05:28.:05:32.

alone ten. Arsenal were very impressive as well. If I was going

:05:33.:05:39.

to be honest, speaking to a few of the lads, David definitely given us

:05:40.:05:42.

the most problems. If we talk about how good they are when they don't

:05:43.:05:46.

have the ball, are they the most difficult to play against when you

:05:47.:05:50.

yourselves have had a ball? Definitely. They all have pace, they

:05:51.:05:55.

all know their jobs, they hunt the ball in packs and they pressed from

:05:56.:06:01.

the front. The spirit that Klopp has created is rubbing off on everybody,

:06:02.:06:06.

because from the outside looking in, you can see they've all bags of

:06:07.:06:10.

confidence. Great time to be injured! Is there a vulnerability

:06:11.:06:19.

about them? Klopp has admitted this himself, on set pieces? Yes, because

:06:20.:06:24.

they have conceded goals. The thing about them at the moment, they just

:06:25.:06:29.

looked like they could score against anybody. They've made so many

:06:30.:06:33.

chances. The good thing yesterday was that they were poor in the first

:06:34.:06:38.

half, by their own admission, that they turned it round. When you play

:06:39.:06:43.

poorly and win in this league, it is the sign of a good side. What about

:06:44.:06:54.

when you don't play that badly and lose? Do you have some sympathy for

:06:55.:06:56.

Guidolin and the pressure he's under? I do, because you could see

:06:57.:06:59.

the reaction yesterday. The players are still with him. They carried out

:07:00.:07:04.

his game plan, yet it all came to nothing in the end, probably because

:07:05.:07:10.

of a silly penalty. It was a silly challenge. Because of that, a guy's

:07:11.:07:16.

job is on the line now, and it could have been different. What I can't

:07:17.:07:21.

understand is, there's obviously something happening. Why wouldn't

:07:22.:07:26.

Swansea just name it and say, he's fine, he just needs to win a couple

:07:27.:07:31.

of games. But there's nothing coming out of Swansea saying he's fine with

:07:32.:07:36.

his job. More thoughts on Guidolin in a moment, but let's hear from the

:07:37.:07:42.

man himself now. In my situation, my position, it is

:07:43.:07:48.

clear for me, because I have just to work with my players week by week,

:07:49.:07:56.

day by day. I don't know. It's not this my problem in this moment, and

:07:57.:08:01.

our problem, my problem is our table is not good. To have some points

:08:02.:08:10.

more in our team, but I think if our team play in this way, we have the

:08:11.:08:14.

possibility to turn round the situation.

:08:15.:08:19.

The pressure has built from earlier, mainly from the defeat to Man City.

:08:20.:08:26.

Some of their earlier results. They have had a poor start. I feel for

:08:27.:08:30.

the manager because under enormous pressure. If they are going to make

:08:31.:08:35.

a decision, they either need to back the manager and put everything to

:08:36.:08:39.

bed, or they need to make a change and get on with it. The problem is,

:08:40.:08:48.

with all the uncertainty around the place, it feeds into performances.

:08:49.:08:50.

Yesterday, you could see how dejected the players were. He's

:08:51.:08:58.

managing the club day-to-day. But they also feel maybe they are in a

:08:59.:09:05.

period of... I hate this word... I'm going to use it, because I can't

:09:06.:09:10.

think of another one. This period of transition. I have heard some say

:09:11.:09:14.

this season already, for example when they lost at Southampton, they

:09:15.:09:19.

are not sure what their identity is at the moment, and maybe that comes

:09:20.:09:22.

from Guidolin coming in, losing Ashley Williams... That was the case

:09:23.:09:33.

last year, when Guidolin arrived. He put round gel back in the team and

:09:34.:09:37.

got the identity going again. Swansea are like a Sunderland or

:09:38.:09:41.

West Brom, where they have perfected the art of staying in the Premier

:09:42.:09:46.

League. Though arguably, they have been better than West Brom or

:09:47.:09:50.

Sunderland recently. Over the years, but I think they are settling for

:09:51.:09:54.

that mindset of staying in the Premier League. As a result, they

:09:55.:09:58.

sack managers very easily. They were quick to get rid of Garry Monk. I

:09:59.:10:04.

think that might be the problem for Guidolin. They are not going to wait

:10:05.:10:09.

to see if he turns it around. For them, it's staying in the Premier

:10:10.:10:14.

League. You will keep getting transition if you keep sacking

:10:15.:10:22.

managers. Flux is a better word. I do think, with them, it is a case

:10:23.:10:29.

of, if you keep sacking managers, it never works. Seriously, because the

:10:30.:10:33.

new manager comes in, he doesn't fancy him or him, wants to turn it

:10:34.:10:38.

round, and he doesn't get the results. It doesn't work. It is a

:10:39.:10:44.

short-term solution, which is what Sunderland are facing. They've

:10:45.:10:48.

sacked so many managers, and changed squad, they are left with nothing.

:10:49.:10:53.

Can you understand why Ryan Giggs appears to be the favourite at the

:10:54.:10:58.

moment, Alex? I can. If you look at the recent history of Swansea,

:10:59.:11:04.

they've had the likes of Garry Monk and Brendan Rodgers, a certain kind

:11:05.:11:11.

of man. You might think Ryan might fit the bill, a young manager with a

:11:12.:11:15.

lot to prove. We will have to wait and see. It will be a huge

:11:16.:11:20.

opportunity for someone like Brian, getting a Premier League job for his

:11:21.:11:25.

first job. Exactly. Is he the favourite for this job because he is

:11:26.:11:33.

Ryan Giggs? Without annoying Birmingham fans, if you wanted a

:11:34.:11:36.

young, upcoming manager, what is wrong with Gary Rau won at

:11:37.:11:39.

Birmingham, who did great things at Burton and then stabilised

:11:40.:11:45.

Birmingham, just as an example? I agree. For Ryan Giggs, it might be

:11:46.:11:52.

better to start with Gary Rau it. If he walks into Swansea, he will face

:11:53.:11:56.

the same pressures as Garry Monk and Guidolin face. He will have to win

:11:57.:12:00.

four or five of his first ten games, which is difficult. I think the

:12:01.:12:06.

better the club and the better the standard of players you start with

:12:07.:12:10.

as a manager, the better the start you've got. But it is a risk for the

:12:11.:12:17.

club. It is a risk for the club nowadays whoever you point. Let's go

:12:18.:12:22.

bad to old Trafford and Peter Slater. It could have been 4-2 by

:12:23.:12:33.

now. Another fine save by Lee Grant. He tipped a Paul Pogba effort a row

:12:34.:12:40.

-- over the crossbar early on. But it remains 0-0.

:12:41.:12:45.

Let's talk hole and Chelsea next, after a win for the away side at the

:12:46.:12:51.

cake on Stadium. Diego Costa getting one of the goals. We were talking

:12:52.:12:57.

about what it is like to play against Diego Costa. Reading between

:12:58.:13:01.

the lines, you were saying it is fun. It is fun. It's not fun if you

:13:02.:13:09.

take an elbow round the chops from him, but he's a great player. Seeing

:13:10.:13:15.

his quality yesterday, it was a superb finish. The lads played very

:13:16.:13:20.

well. They frustrated Chelsea and forced them to make errors. A bit

:13:21.:13:25.

like Klopp, whatever Conte said half-time, they were a different

:13:26.:13:32.

team second-half. Two great pieces of skill from Willian and Costa that

:13:33.:13:36.

had the goals. Is the Chelsea side still trying to find some kind of

:13:37.:13:43.

rhythm? Definitely. They looked a bit short of confidence, but as soon

:13:44.:13:47.

as they got that first goal, they gained momentum. They made it very

:13:48.:13:54.

difficult for Hull. Would you say it is a Chelsea manager who doesn't

:13:55.:13:58.

know his best team yet? Chopping and changing. He went three at the back.

:13:59.:14:10.

He put Azpilicueta right back, and Gary Cahill Centre half with David

:14:11.:14:15.

Luiz. He changed the back for around. And they looked comfortable,

:14:16.:14:20.

the back four did. Do you think they need a lot of change in January? Do

:14:21.:14:25.

you think Conte has started to realise that that might be the case?

:14:26.:14:30.

I'm interested what he will do with Matic, because the balance of the

:14:31.:14:35.

midfield isn't right. Kante has bags of energy and heat can prove

:14:36.:14:40.

himself, but he's almost one man at times. Matic hasn't been half the

:14:41.:14:44.

player he was when he started at Chelsea. Watching them against

:14:45.:14:49.

Liverpool, Hazard spent ages waiting for the ball. You cannot have

:14:50.:14:52.

quality players you are not getting the ball to. He needs a change in

:14:53.:15:00.

midfield, or something. The thing with Abramovich, he's always backed

:15:01.:15:04.

his managers in the early spells. He's saying he would like to

:15:05.:15:08.

strengthen it in January. Easy to say, but difficult to do, because

:15:09.:15:13.

why didn't you do it before August the 31st? What you would say,

:15:14.:15:19.

despite their fluent best, and despite doubts over the squad, they

:15:20.:15:25.

are in sixth. But they should be in sixth at the very least. That brings

:15:26.:15:30.

us to the next point, concerning Hull as well. Is there that top six

:15:31.:15:35.

and seven, then everybody else below? Absolutely, this year more

:15:36.:15:40.

than there's been for a long time, most definitely.

:15:41.:15:45.

Everton might be the gate-crashers from as it were. Leicester could

:15:46.:15:52.

still do something but the big teams have strengthened and the big

:15:53.:15:57.

managers have made an impact. Not just strengthened but also spent

:15:58.:16:01.

massive money which the other teams struggle to do. When the top six

:16:02.:16:06.

spend 30, 40 million on certain individuals it is difficult to

:16:07.:16:11.

compete. Is it a cliche used by the media, we've talked about your

:16:12.:16:14.

difficult start, but in many ways a of those games are free hits for you

:16:15.:16:18.

and it comes down to when you might play or Watford, or Burnley? They

:16:19.:16:23.

will be our big games, we will not get judged on Chelsea and Liverpool.

:16:24.:16:27.

It would be nice to pick up bonus points on those games but if

:16:28.:16:30.

somebody said to us going into this international break seven points

:16:31.:16:33.

from seven games with the teams we have played we would snatch your

:16:34.:16:40.

hand off. And it was of their own doing. We saw yesterday that when

:16:41.:16:44.

those sides play each other that it's more important maybe not to

:16:45.:16:48.

lose than to get three points. We have seen so many draws amongst the

:16:49.:16:54.

similar teams. I thought that at Sunderland, the margins for

:16:55.:16:57.

Sunderland at times getting that equaliser were huge. They couldn't

:16:58.:17:03.

afford to lose to West Brom. David Moyes knows you have to win their

:17:04.:17:07.

home games against your peers to stay in the league. There is a

:17:08.:17:11.

league within the Premier League, is you want to finish sixth out of the

:17:12.:17:16.

bottom six, at the top of the bottom six and there is more than six teams

:17:17.:17:20.

trying to do that. As far as Mike Phelan is concerned, you wouldn't be

:17:21.:17:24.

saying anything new if you were sitting here saying all of the

:17:25.:17:27.

players wanted him to stay. Definitely. It's been difficult for

:17:28.:17:32.

him. It is clarity over his future and he has said he wants the job.

:17:33.:17:37.

I'm sure they are sorting everything out, I hope so. Has there been

:17:38.:17:47.

continuity from him from your dad? To be honest Mick Phelan has come in

:17:48.:17:50.

and he has his own ideas but we still have Stephen Clemence and Gary

:17:51.:17:56.

was, players who have been with my dad a long time. Not a lot has

:17:57.:18:00.

changed. But obviously Mick has his own ideas and he's doing his own

:18:01.:18:07.

thing. The son Fiona runs the club now, interestingly. -- the son of

:18:08.:18:18.

the owner. Why wouldn't you just sort out his contract? The other

:18:19.:18:21.

thing is you've got to be careful, Mike Phelan is managing Hull in the

:18:22.:18:25.

Premier League at the moment but there will be a few clubs who will

:18:26.:18:29.

surely start sniffing around, particularly in the Championship,

:18:30.:18:32.

they are dispensing with the services of their own manager.

:18:33.:18:35.

Absolutely and naturally we were talking about Ryan Giggs and if he

:18:36.:18:38.

came into a Premier League club he might need an experienced head and

:18:39.:18:43.

Mick Phelan might be the first person he turns to. If his future

:18:44.:18:46.

isn't settled at Hull he might look at that as an attractive proposition

:18:47.:18:50.

and then you look at Derby and other clubs in the Championship who would

:18:51.:18:56.

go for him. He's got a lot in his locker, he worked with Alex Ferguson

:18:57.:18:58.

for a long time and achieved a lot of success with Manchester United.

:18:59.:19:02.

He's been around for a long while and he is a good manager. Why aren't

:19:03.:19:07.

they giving him a contract? It comes back to the same point. Still

:19:08.:19:12.

goalless at Old Trafford, 0-0. When do you expect to come back? When you

:19:13.:19:18.

play Bournemouth! One of the easier games! Back to running next week as

:19:19.:19:25.

Mike back to running next week, hopefully. Moving on to the game at

:19:26.:19:29.

the Stadium Of Light, late equaliser for Sunderland for Patrick van

:19:30.:19:32.

Aanholt against West Brom and it didn't leave David Moyes

:19:33.:19:35.

particularly positive afterwards. I thought their energy and

:19:36.:19:39.

commitment was great. I thought their endeavour and what they tried

:19:40.:19:42.

to do was fantastic. Undoubtedly we are lacking bits of quality but even

:19:43.:19:49.

today we have no centre forwards to put on at a goal down and no

:19:50.:19:53.

forwards to put on, I should say. So we had to change the system a bit

:19:54.:19:58.

and try and find another way to get a goal from somewhere and thankfully

:19:59.:20:03.

we did. Pat came on and got a goal. Jonathan North Croft, Alex Bruce and

:20:04.:20:07.

Micah Lawrence are listening to you, David Moyes. Is there a fine line

:20:08.:20:12.

between realism and pessimism? There is.

:20:13.:20:14.

Which side of it is David Moyes at the moment? I think he is realism.

:20:15.:20:20.

You'll never get pretence with David Moyes. He always tries to be upfront

:20:21.:20:24.

with supporters. Personally if I was a Sunderland fan I'd be happy he is

:20:25.:20:28.

telling me as it is and he is putting messages out there to be

:20:29.:20:31.

ownership as well because by talking about having not having players to

:20:32.:20:35.

put on that is a clear comment that may become the January transfer

:20:36.:20:38.

window you would want to try and sign a forward. He's always found it

:20:39.:20:45.

hard to be positive when he doesn't feel things are going well. I think

:20:46.:20:49.

Fiona has lost a great deal of interest, to be honest with you. I

:20:50.:20:53.

don't know how he got David Moyes to sign his new contract but I'm sure

:20:54.:20:57.

promises were made that have not been met. I think it's the most

:20:58.:21:00.

difficult job he's ever had but when the owner doesn't show much

:21:01.:21:04.

interest, where is it going? It is the Randy Lerner syndrome. That

:21:05.:21:11.

would be my fear for Sunderland. Ellis Short. When the owner loses

:21:12.:21:14.

interest in a football club it really begins to drift and the fans

:21:15.:21:18.

will pick up on it. The fans will most definitely pick up on it. Fans

:21:19.:21:23.

want to see belief, don't they? URA fan as well, if the manager of your

:21:24.:21:29.

club was coming out, being some fans would say defeatist, in post-match

:21:30.:21:33.

interviews, you would say what is the point, wouldn't you? You've got

:21:34.:21:37.

to read between the lines of what David Moyes is saying. He's trying

:21:38.:21:40.

to say to the fans there is a problem. Has been a problem at

:21:41.:21:44.

Sunderland for a few years, which is when Ellis Short bought the club he

:21:45.:21:48.

should have put this plan in, do the academy and all these kinds of

:21:49.:21:52.

things. We are back to that kind of keep sacking the managers, keep

:21:53.:21:56.

changing everybody around. David Moyes's problem is he is a manager

:21:57.:22:00.

Ellis Short wanted for about four years and tried to get him three or

:22:01.:22:04.

four times and he's got him and sat back and thought, things are fine, I

:22:05.:22:08.

don't need to invest or anything. Don't forget Sam Allardyce got the

:22:09.:22:12.

England job on the back of keeping them up, and everybody agreed he had

:22:13.:22:18.

done a fantastic job and that was only keeping them up by one game.

:22:19.:22:22.

Sunderland hardly spent any money, in the spending table they would be

:22:23.:22:25.

somewhere near the bottom. Even since dad was there when he was

:22:26.:22:30.

manager of Sunderland he had a very good strikeforce in Danny Welbeck on

:22:31.:22:34.

loan, Asamoah Zhang, Darren Bent. Since they left the club, however

:22:35.:22:40.

many years ago, six or seven years ago, they have never really replaced

:22:41.:22:45.

them. -- Gyan. Since then the attacking force hasn't been there.

:22:46.:22:50.

There is so much pressure on Jermain Defoe, if he doesn't score

:22:51.:22:53.

Sunderland. Score and that's the point David Moyes makes when he

:22:54.:22:56.

hasn't got a striker to bring on it is difficult in the Premier League,

:22:57.:22:59.

but on the flip side he cannot change things until January because

:23:00.:23:04.

he cannot sign anyone until then so he has to stay upbeat and positive.

:23:05.:23:07.

Will he still be able to change anything in January? It wasn't like

:23:08.:23:14.

he came in on August 31, he did have a transfer window to try and do

:23:15.:23:18.

stuff. Yesterday's opponents, Tony Pulis, said maybe there are lacking

:23:19.:23:22.

quality but he managed to get a couple in. Nacer Chadli being the

:23:23.:23:28.

prime example. Yes, and he is missing Adnan Januzaj, that was the

:23:29.:23:32.

big signing he felt he had made in the window. If you look at the

:23:33.:23:36.

signings they are bargain bucket, loans, scrambling around to see what

:23:37.:23:43.

he can get. Pound Stretcher. Somebody like Crystal Palace you

:23:44.:23:48.

might think is an equal team, they side Christian Benteke a. They are a

:23:49.:23:51.

bigger club through the nature of how many they get in their stadium.

:23:52.:23:55.

If you use West Brom as an example, but they have a really good

:23:56.:24:00.

defensive pace to build from. Have Sunderland? No. Back to Old

:24:01.:24:05.

Trafford, Peter Slater. 38 minutes played, still goalless, it shouldn't

:24:06.:24:08.

be, I reckon Manchester United maybe could have scored half a dozen,

:24:09.:24:13.

Kevin Kilbane is alongside me, and my right?

:24:14.:24:15.

Yes, Lee Camp is playing extremely well at the moment. The saves he has

:24:16.:24:21.

made, two or three great saves, Stoke are sitting deep, they are

:24:22.:24:25.

allowing pressure to be built, United gaining momentum, excellent

:24:26.:24:28.

movement around Ibrahimovic upfront and as you said this could be four

:24:29.:24:34.

or five at the moment. To be fair he is keeping the minute. What about

:24:35.:24:40.

Stoke? David De Gea had one shot to deal with. Brilliant movement from

:24:41.:24:44.

Joe Allen getting behind United's backline and when he gets into

:24:45.:24:47.

position he should do better, he didn't strike the chance well enough

:24:48.:24:50.

and De Gea wasn't tested enough. Other than that it has been pretty

:24:51.:24:54.

much one-way traffic from United. So there we are, five minutes until

:24:55.:24:59.

half-time, Lee Grant, or whoever the keeper is, have made three saves,

:25:00.:25:03.

United have missed three and it remains 0-0. Onto one of the other

:25:04.:25:09.

matches at 2:15pm at White Hart Lane, arguably the best Game Of The

:25:10.:25:12.

Day, Spurs against Manchester City, highlights on Match of the Day 2

:25:13.:25:16.

later went Simon Brotherton will be your commentator.

:25:17.:25:20.

We are looking forward to the game at White Hart Lane. The former

:25:21.:25:25.

Tottenham manager David Pleat has joined me on the touchline. Did you

:25:26.:25:29.

have an extra spring in your step as you walked into White Hart Lane

:25:30.:25:32.

today? Lots to look forward to and tactically it could be interesting.

:25:33.:25:37.

Early-season glamour game, the top two teams, prior to yesterday they

:25:38.:25:41.

were top, top and defending well and only conceding three goals, two from

:25:42.:25:45.

set plays. So that is a real plus for the way they will work and make

:25:46.:25:50.

sure they defend their gold and City are an exciting team so it should be

:25:51.:25:56.

an exciting game. You say the style makes for a good game. They are

:25:57.:26:02.

clever managers and it could be that one of the managers plays

:26:03.:26:06.

differently, who knows. If they both play the pressing game and try and

:26:07.:26:10.

win the ball early we will have ebb and flow. It hasn't taken Pep

:26:11.:26:15.

Guardiola long to make an impact at Manchester City, has it? He has

:26:16.:26:19.

integrated the players welly well -- very well, Gundogan, he played well

:26:20.:26:23.

in Germany and I'm looking forward to seeing him because he is getting

:26:24.:26:28.

going. I think he could be a danger to Tottenham, he is a talented

:26:29.:26:33.

player. And Aguero scores the goals. Last year City were a bit

:26:34.:26:37.

unfortunate, Tottenham scored at a vital time, disputed goal, and won

:26:38.:26:42.

comfortably 4-1, big result. Who is going to be lucky today? Have you

:26:43.:26:47.

seen much of Tottenham this season? I've seen enough of them. Enough to

:26:48.:26:53.

feel optimistic on their behalf? Yes, the way they interchange

:26:54.:26:57.

players is very clever and when they lose the ball they are very

:26:58.:27:00.

responsible to each other. Wherever they lose the ball, it doesn't

:27:01.:27:03.

matter if they are in a different position, they get back quickly to

:27:04.:27:06.

recover to try and regain possession, very good at that. They

:27:07.:27:11.

pass for fun at times, sometimes overpass, but I think goals could be

:27:12.:27:16.

the problem without Harry Kane. But at the same time I think they've

:27:17.:27:20.

done very well because they did have a disappointing few games at the end

:27:21.:27:24.

of last season but I think they've got over it. To what extent do you

:27:25.:27:29.

feel Harry Kane's fitness is key to Tottenham's title hopes? Not just

:27:30.:27:32.

because of his goals because he is a focal point and they can find him

:27:33.:27:37.

from deep positions if they have two players they get out of trouble ball

:27:38.:27:40.

and he holds the ball up well but so does Janssen, he holds up the ball

:27:41.:27:44.

well but he needs luck in front of goal. Whether he will play today I

:27:45.:27:49.

don't know, they might play sun upfront, but Harry is important to

:27:50.:27:51.

them because he has this wonderful personality -- play Son. He has a

:27:52.:27:58.

great personality and he is a fine player and is still very young. Kick

:27:59.:28:02.

off at White Hart Lane in the sunshine at 2:15pm.

:28:03.:28:07.

Thank you to Simon and David at White Hart Lane. How would you

:28:08.:28:11.

describe Spurs so far this season, Mark Lawrenson? Efficient?

:28:12.:28:18.

Efficient. Manchester City and Tottenham, basically built from back

:28:19.:28:22.

to front, whereas City front to back, as you would say. If you were

:28:23.:28:27.

Pochettino today you are not going to let Manchester City's main

:28:28.:28:31.

players play, that's the first thing. He will say we will be really

:28:32.:28:36.

difficult and it's probably about making a goal from Tottenham's point

:28:37.:28:40.

of view. I agree, I think it will be a great game, one to look forward to

:28:41.:28:44.

and with the strikeforce City have got with the form Aguero and De

:28:45.:28:49.

Bruyne are in at the moment. Tottenham are a match for anybody,

:28:50.:28:54.

though. The difference between Spurs and most teams is they are

:28:55.:28:57.

proactive, they will play against City on the front foot and try and

:28:58.:29:00.

get at them and we haven't really seen that in the Premier League to

:29:01.:29:04.

Manchester City yet. Manchester United stood off them and suffer the

:29:05.:29:07.

consequences so it is a real test from that point of view. I'm just

:29:08.:29:12.

interested to see how the fact these managers know each other well will

:29:13.:29:17.

play out. You talked about not standing off them. Obviously on

:29:18.:29:20.

Wednesday night Celtic most definitely didn't stand off. But

:29:21.:29:24.

equally I'm sure every Celtic fan would agree, who was at Celtic Park

:29:25.:29:29.

on Wednesday night, for the last 15 minutes or so the majority of the

:29:30.:29:32.

Celtic team who had played the full 90 minutes looked absolutely whacked

:29:33.:29:37.

because it can't just be... It's not just the physical side it must be

:29:38.:29:41.

the mental side as well. And also at Celtic, going there, it might have

:29:42.:29:45.

affected some of the City lads and they might be tired and fatigue so

:29:46.:29:49.

interesting to see their response. Great chance to put a marker down to

:29:50.:29:53.

say we have gone to Spurs and beating them as well and then the

:29:54.:29:56.

Premier League will wake up and think they need serious business. We

:29:57.:29:59.

will see how the game goes. It is far more physical than mental. Yeah.

:30:00.:30:06.

If you look at the level Celtic play at and then look at Manchester City.

:30:07.:30:10.

I'm not surprised they were tied at the end. The story of Spurs' season

:30:11.:30:15.

last year, they kept the incredible intensity going until the last few

:30:16.:30:19.

weeks. That's the question about Pochettino's approach and maybe

:30:20.:30:22.

Klopp's approach but they will have enough energy to press City today

:30:23.:30:26.

but just a high risk against a team like City because if they play

:30:27.:30:30.

around you they will kill you. There is no De Bruyne. De Bruyne is

:30:31.:30:37.

injured. So that helps. Except the then have Gundogan and David Silva

:30:38.:30:50.

ASBOs two head of Fernandinho. -- as those two ahead of Fernandinho. You

:30:51.:30:54.

have to go and play, not just watched City. Pochettino is quite

:30:55.:30:57.

old school, he always gets the striker to play the goalkeeper,

:30:58.:31:01.

School football stuff. Harry Kane charges at goalkeepers and it will

:31:02.:31:04.

be interesting to see if Janssen does that to Bravo with the fact he

:31:05.:31:08.

will try and play football as a goalkeeper. Is that still your area

:31:09.:31:12.

of biggest question, I suppose, over Spurs? Without Kane is there enough

:31:13.:31:19.

to super-team, not just scoring goals, but is there enough to

:31:20.:31:23.

super-team without him? Yes, because he does a lot more than just score

:31:24.:31:31.

goals. -- suit the team. Jansen and Son are energetic players but they

:31:32.:31:35.

look a step down to Kane. They have not played anybody great so far. The

:31:36.:31:41.

thing with Kane, because he's such a good player, he's almost moulded the

:31:42.:31:44.

team around himself. As David Pleat just said it is not just his

:31:45.:31:50.

goal-scoring, it's everything about him, he presses from the front. He

:31:51.:31:54.

is a physical presence and when you take it out of the team he starts

:31:55.:31:58.

for them, the rest of them go with him.

:31:59.:32:04.

Is he one of those who wants to play on his own, like Henry? He can run

:32:05.:32:15.

where he wants, he can do what he wants, and it's difficult to

:32:16.:32:17.

replicate that with somebody who doesn't play that way. So two

:32:18.:32:21.

questions there. Because of Harry Kane and how he has developed this

:32:22.:32:26.

role for himself as Spurs, is it quite hard for Spurs to find someone

:32:27.:32:32.

to take the load of Harry Kane, because they have Harry Kane? If you

:32:33.:32:37.

were a strike of the King to join the club, you would think that you

:32:38.:32:41.

are not going to get in ahead of him. Whoever they do get in, it is

:32:42.:32:48.

competition. With competition brings a better performance from Harry

:32:49.:32:51.

Kane, because he knows someone is banging on the door to get in. It's

:32:52.:32:57.

a difficult one. But when Kane does play, he's an old-fashioned centre

:32:58.:33:01.

forward, and Spurs don't have anything else. What is he like to

:33:02.:33:07.

play against? People's you around, his physical, he works hard, and

:33:08.:33:12.

he's an out and out centre forward. The other centre forwards come in

:33:13.:33:19.

little holes and drop off. You know what it's like. A totally different

:33:20.:33:24.

type of player to play. Scores all kinds of goals. Let's go to Old

:33:25.:33:32.

Trafford now. Still 0-0. I reckon Man United should have had half a

:33:33.:33:36.

dozen. Lee Grant has made some good saves. They've been good going

:33:37.:33:45.

forward. They've been excellent. The movement of Rashford and Lingard has

:33:46.:33:50.

been excellent. United are really having a bit of a field day,

:33:51.:33:56.

especially in the last third. Credit to league runs are making some

:33:57.:34:00.

top-class saves. Three top-class saves. He is keeping them in it.

:34:01.:34:07.

Apart from that, Stoke are offering little in the final third. Stoke

:34:08.:34:13.

haven't done too much. We discussed real Fred Bony in the first half. He

:34:14.:34:21.

is completely off the pace. If you get someone that's a willing runner,

:34:22.:34:26.

who will work for the team, Stoke have a chance in this game, because

:34:27.:34:32.

United haven't been great. Ronnie is way off it and he does not look fit

:34:33.:34:37.

enough to play at this level. Both managers look frustrated at

:34:38.:34:41.

half-time. Thank you. A feud tweets. Why does

:34:42.:34:47.

everybody think Giggs is right for Swansea? Is it because he is Welsh?

:34:48.:34:51.

He has never inspired like Gareth Bale. Yesterday they played well

:34:52.:34:58.

against City and Liverpool. Let's go to one of the other games this week,

:34:59.:35:07.

Burnley against Arsenal. As far as Arsenal are concerned, all the talk

:35:08.:35:12.

is of arson Wenger's 20 years at the club. A bit sentimental. I want to

:35:13.:35:20.

work and I want to do well. I accept as well that it can finish tomorrow.

:35:21.:35:28.

It is a love story, and a love story you expect always to last forever,

:35:29.:35:34.

but you know it can end every day. You don't expect it, though, to stop

:35:35.:35:39.

any time soon. When it stops I think it will be on Wenger's terms. I know

:35:40.:35:45.

out of contract at the end of the season, but I think you'll get a new

:35:46.:35:49.

one, if he wants it. He hasn't won any league titles in the last ten

:35:50.:35:56.

years. That might be a reason. It might. I've been looking at this 20

:35:57.:36:00.

year anniversary, and you just reflect what he's given English

:36:01.:36:04.

football and the club, and how appalling it would be for the club

:36:05.:36:09.

to sack him. I don't think it can. Wenger has given continental ideas

:36:10.:36:13.

in terms of playing, nutrition, training, which we now take the

:36:14.:36:19.

granted, that he introduced. He built that stadium for Arsenal. I

:36:20.:36:23.

think he should have won the title, of course. Surely, that's a massive

:36:24.:36:31.

negative against all the positives. Yes, but don't forget he's had to

:36:32.:36:36.

contend with Chelsea, amid all the money. And Manchester City. I'm with

:36:37.:36:41.

Jonathan. He's up there on the pedestal for me. It's about what

:36:42.:36:46.

clubs want. Do you want to look short-term and go for something with

:36:47.:36:50.

quick satisfaction, maybe a title, or do you want to reward a great,

:36:51.:36:57.

and somebody who's had custodianship of the club? He has built that club.

:36:58.:37:05.

Heat they have been like United. God help whoever will replace him. On

:37:06.:37:11.

who will replace him, should he have a say in it? I think so. Arsenal

:37:12.:37:17.

have a certain identity from what he's built there. Arsenal have an

:37:18.:37:22.

attractive style of football that you want to watch. I think if Wenger

:37:23.:37:27.

left and they went away from that identity, it would be a shame. I

:37:28.:37:31.

think it would be right if he had a say. Why wouldn't you want to pick

:37:32.:37:38.

his brains, if you were the chief exec? As long as you don't ask

:37:39.:37:43.

players, it will be fine. But for all the great stuff he did for the

:37:44.:37:48.

football club, for all the great football they've played, the success

:37:49.:37:52.

side of it, which is what fans want... I'm sure Arsenal fans

:37:53.:37:57.

couldn't give two hoots what Arsene Wenger has given to English

:37:58.:38:01.

football. They care about their own club first and forwards. I am

:38:02.:38:07.

speaking as a neutral and a romantic, maybe. The question of

:38:08.:38:12.

succession. If there is one chink in Wenger's armour, he hasn't developed

:38:13.:38:17.

his ex-players as managers, kept them in the club. None of the

:38:18.:38:21.

ex-Arsenal players have gone into management in the way that ex-Man

:38:22.:38:26.

United players did. Ferguson always encourage them to be in the setup.

:38:27.:38:33.

That is the odd thing about him. And choosing a successor, he doesn't

:38:34.:38:38.

seem to think in those terms. Is that a weakness? I am guessing here.

:38:39.:38:42.

If a lot of them went into it, would they want his job? I don't think so.

:38:43.:38:48.

I think he's fairly bullet-proof. What he has failed to do is win the

:38:49.:38:54.

league a couple of times in the last ten years. So have 18 other clubs

:38:55.:39:02.

every season, plus Arsenal. I think he's been an absolutely fantastic

:39:03.:39:05.

manager. Sometimes he makes me laugh and comes out with banners and so

:39:06.:39:10.

one, and then somebody goes and sets fire to the banner in the garden.

:39:11.:39:17.

And how many years has he been chief of football as well? You could see

:39:18.:39:21.

them finishing in the top for every season. It just shows how difficult

:39:22.:39:28.

it is, with Chelsea last season. I am playing devil's advocate.

:39:29.:39:34.

Champions League football, finishes second in the group and goes out in

:39:35.:39:40.

the last 16. I know what you're saying. But that is playing

:39:41.:39:45.

Barcelona as well. That's because they finished second in the group!

:39:46.:39:50.

If you are the Sunday Times football correspondent and deliver great

:39:51.:39:54.

articles, do you then reserve the right to choose when you leave the

:39:55.:39:59.

Sunday Times? That's completely different! I am not going to go down

:40:00.:40:07.

as one of the greats, whereas Wenger is in that category of Ferguson,

:40:08.:40:13.

Shankly, Busby... He has made that level of impact on English shocker.

:40:14.:40:18.

I would hate to see a figure of that stature be sacked. How do Burnley

:40:19.:40:22.

approach the game this afternoon? Bearing in mind, they beat Liverpool

:40:23.:40:32.

with 90% possession. After seeing Arsenal last week, light a candle

:40:33.:40:36.

and hope they have an off day! When you play the top four, you've just

:40:37.:40:40.

got to hope for a bit of luck and hope they have an off day. If

:40:41.:40:45.

Arsenal turn up, they will be in for a tough afternoon. Talk about Spurs

:40:46.:40:52.

not going to sit there enjoy it, I am not saying that Burnley will sit

:40:53.:40:55.

there enjoy it, but just be solid and try and hit it? If you dominate

:40:56.:41:03.

the midfield, you dominate the game, and it is something Burnley will

:41:04.:41:08.

have to stop Arsenal doing. They have differential Ocado which is a

:41:09.:41:13.

big chance today. -- they have Jermain Defoe. Talking about games

:41:14.:41:19.

against sides who will be there or thereabouts around you, you have the

:41:20.:41:24.

bonus against Liverpool and the three points. That will give more

:41:25.:41:31.

confidence as well. That is on 5 Live this afternoon. Full coverage

:41:32.:41:35.

of the Ryder Cup as well, with all the singles between Europe and the

:41:36.:41:41.

USA. Also Southampton against Leicester this afternoon. Jonathan,

:41:42.:41:44.

you wrote the book on how Leicester's season went last year. I

:41:45.:41:50.

bet that was easy to write! He chose to do it in August as well! What is

:41:51.:41:57.

different this season to last at the moment? The big thing is Kante.

:41:58.:42:03.

Doing that book and looking back at Leicester, you realise exactly how

:42:04.:42:08.

good he is. That is the big thing on the playing side. Also, they had to

:42:09.:42:12.

change the way they played because teams were sitting in against them.

:42:13.:42:18.

That is why they signed Sadio Mane. There is a chance for them now,

:42:19.:42:22.

having scaled the summit, what do they do now? It is all of those

:42:23.:42:27.

things together. At the King Power Stadium, they will be the same old

:42:28.:42:31.

Leicester. The problem has been away from home, where they've not been

:42:32.:42:36.

able to impose themselves. Wes Morgan looks as though he's had a

:42:37.:42:43.

good summer. What you mean? He's never had great pace, but was it

:42:44.:42:47.

Captain Morgan who sponsored him? He has always had that shape. Once you

:42:48.:42:54.

win the league, it is so difficult to win it again the next year,

:42:55.:42:58.

because you're just there to be beaten. We are all guilty of it. As

:42:59.:43:03.

soon as they lose a couple of games, we say, it's not the same. Another

:43:04.:43:16.

team were mid-table that year after winning. They were mid-table. At

:43:17.:43:25.

home, I think Leicester have the second-best record. You have to

:43:26.:43:29.

balance that at Champions League, because it looks as though they will

:43:30.:43:35.

go through. You have to balance that, and the expectation. And

:43:36.:43:39.

Southampton were very impressive against West Ham last week. Four

:43:40.:43:46.

games this Sunday. Burnley against Arsenal on 5 Live sports. Updates

:43:47.:43:51.

this afternoon, then highlights of all four games on Match Of The Day 2

:43:52.:43:57.

tonight. Thanks to all of you, and we will see you in two weeks, after

:43:58.:44:00.

the international break.

:44:01.:44:03.

Download Subtitles

SRT

ASS